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[Xperia Z3 Compact General] HellzHere:
I currently have a galaxy S2, I have a case on it pretty much 24/7. I want the Z3 compact as it is the best phone for people who want small phones. I love being able to do everything and reach all parts of my S2 with my hand, I cant do the same with these large 5inch + phones.

Anyway I am hearing reports of cracking on the back,front or even both sides of the phone. Am really scared, because I don't want to just splash out £350 and it breaks after a week. People have been getting cracks while having cases on it even, some people say it cracks while it is in the pocket just randomly.

Basically I really want this phone but I am worried about how easy it is to crack.
[Xperia Z3 Compact General] BLAZEDv3:
I've dropped mine from waist height twice now and had it fall in the crevices of my car seats. No screen protector, phone is still mint.

Sent from my D5803
[Xperia Z3 Compact General] CollinsJ:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DjDE8z-_bHU&noredirect=1

http://forums.androidcentral.com/samsung-galaxy-s3/193035-galaxy-s3-cracked-screen-defective-not-dropped.html

http://forums.androidcentral.com/samsung-galaxy-s-ii/132590-galaxy-s2-cracked-screen-normal.html

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1257090

http://bobmckay.com/life/case-samsung-galaxy-s4-screen-crack

http://support.t-mobile.com/thread/38170?tstart=0

Never buy another smartphone then since they all "have screens break for no reason".
[Xperia Z3 Compact General] degraaff:
Statistically the chance that yours will crack spontaneously is still very very small. These communities are really very misleading in trying to get a global image of how common a problem is. As I mentioned in another topic, if you were to walk into a hosptal, and make your conclusion about the human species purely based on what you saw in the hospital, you would conclude humans are very sick and crippled species. But once you leave the hospital, you see only healthy people everywhere you look.
[Xperia Z3 Compact General] unk3:
My suggestion (also what I am planning on doing)... Wait until after November 3rd, for everyone to get their American Z3 Compact. check this forum a week after to see if the topics about the screen sporadically cracking jump substantially in activity.

If not, I will order by 11.10.14.
[Xperia Z3 Compact General] war1:
Not true and do not believe everything you hear and read about this subject. The handling of these machines have to be prudent. If you drop a laptop on the floor for sure nonitor breaks.right.
[Xperia Z3 Compact General] bilboa1:
dropped mine once :(

been a month approx. no crack nothing. im pretty careful tho..most of the time.

also, no case.
[Xperia Z3 Compact General] sxtester:
Just a suggestion, can everyone with such issues (or worry, like here) post in one of the dozen threads that already exist on that topic?

Guess that would help to keep the forum somewhat cleaner, thus more readable... :rolleyes:
[Xperia Z3 Compact General] Iruwen:
Our forum is a bit "undermoderated" ;)
[Xperia Z3 Compact General] clouds5:
I'd say the chance of getting a spontaneous crack is about 1:1000 or even less. That would assume 0.1% of phones have the issue. That a far less chance than you going to prison this year (1:200) so I'd say don't worry about it.
[Xperia Z3 Compact General] degraaff:
When drawing conclusions from that survey, you should not ignore that fact that people are far more likely to post about their dissatisfaction than about their satisfaction, meaning that people who are having issues with their device are far more widely respresented on the internet than people who are not having any issues. So if, in that survey, only 17 % of participants had their front glass crack, and 27% had their back glass crack, then the real-world percentages are likely FAR lower than those in the survey and it's all because people with faulty devices are FAR more likely to find the survey than people with devices that don't have any faults.

I've had this phone for a month now and still nothing has cracked. The phone hasn't overheated either. It does feel warm at times, maybe even more than most other phones but that is because glass conducts heat to your skin much faster than plastic does.

I doubt that the design is bad; a faulty batch of glass is a much more likely explanation.
[Xperia Z3 Compact General] gazzawazza:
Thanks for the response [MENTION=4451115]degraaff[/MENTION]

Regarding the survey - I get your point but the survey responses did surprise me with the number of users NOT reporting problems. I felt that made the survey far more realistic that, say, typical forum posts, where complaints and problems are more likely to be documented than positive experiences .

My personal experience regarding heat is that the phone has been pretty cool for the vast majority of the time but did experience some noticeable localised heat last night, for no apparent reason - phone had powered up but I had no additional elements active (i.e. wireless, GPS, data, etc, weren't active). I'd expect a relationship between component activity and heat generated. Also, it was noticeable because I'd not noticed it previously.

Regarding the design, I'm sorry but using thin glass on something that is likely to experience impact damage is bad or at very least highly unrealistic design. There's no need to use glass on the rear of a phone, certainly not for visual requirements (i.e. it's not a display). It's an aesthetics and presumably weight decision. I guess it would help radio performance (although I don't know where the antenna is). I believe metal typically attenuates radio signals, so glass would be a good alternative. I guess it comes down to how much priority one gives to the durability of a phone though.

I rang Sony about an hour ago and they gave me a ballpark figure of £40 for repairing the back. This was based on the rep's experience with the cost of replacing a Z2 rear panel. Still a very costly lesson and I think Sony or resellers need to warn customers about the benefits of case protection, given the materials used in construction. I know I'll get flak for saying this (ridiculously unrealistic) but I'd like to think that a retailer (or Sony, if they had the balls to do this) saying "for god's sake, get a protective case for this phone as it's literally made of glass" would lead to more customers respecting them. After all, Sony chose to use glass in the main panel construction. They could even charge a wee bit more and just bundle a case in with the phone. That would potentially cover them and give end-users a choice about protecting their phone from first use.

Cheers,

Gary
[Xperia Z3 Compact General] kopsis:
Sony puts an Apple-esqe priority on industrial design, so one shouldn't be surprised to see them trading ruggedness for aesthetics. Without moving the antennas to the phone body (which is encumbered by several patents), you need a non-metallic back for good RF performance. In addition to looks/feel, glass is vastly superior to plastic for it's thermal properties. It conducts heat 5 - 10 times better than most structural plastics. In a design as compact as the Z3C that is actually a significant technical advantage. That also means that users will notice short duration heat spikes (typically due to the radios having to drive RF power way up to cut through temporary interference) much more than with a plastic housed phone.

The reports of rear glass breakage do appear to be statistically significant, even after you factor in the self-selecting aspect of the survey. But this seems more like an issue with material or production quality, or perhaps insufficient design margin for CTE (coefficient of thermal expansion) mismatches. My Nexus 4 with a glass back has survived two years of use and a half dozen drops with nothing more than the standard Google bumper for protection. So glass can be used effectively. It will be interesting to see if later production Z3Cs (Sony US is expected to start shipping phones next week) fare better than early production.
[Xperia Z3 Compact General] gazzawazza:
Hey [MENTION=3604831]kopsis[/MENTION]

thanks for the input mate.

Just for assistance to others, my manufacture was 14w37 (might have mentioned that earlier) but just for reference.

Not sure that early production comment makes me feel better #labrat :crying: Obviously understand what you mean though.

Have to say z3 compact does feel good in the hand. Really like the way Sony have somehow made the edges (not sides) grippy without being sharp. Pretty easy to hold phone and I reckon the size is just right for one-handed use, although I do have to re-grip with hand to reach farthest corner (top left, as I'm right handed) of screen.

Out of curiosity, when you say bumper, is that just side protection or back too?

Cheers,

Gary
[Xperia Z3 Compact General] Iruwen:
That's a flawed argumentum a contrario.
[Xperia Z3 Compact General] kopsis:
The original N4 bumper was sides only, though the lip extended a millimeter or two beyond the glass in front and back so the glass wouldn't make contact in a low drop to a smooth flat surface. https://play.google.com/store/devices/details/Nexus_4_Bumper_Black?id=nexus_4_bumper_black&hl=en

It does beg the question, if you're going to sell a phone with glass on both sides, why not have something like this available at launch for the cautious buyers? Even the design purists at Apple made a bumper available upon release of their first front/back glass design (iPhone 4). It doesn't even have to be a great design (leave the aftermarket room to innovate) as long as it gives buyer's a usable option while waiting for something better. Hey, Sony -- PM me if you'd like me to come lead your mobile products division :D
[Xperia Z3 Compact General] gazzawazza:
is this really relevant?

I simply felt that rather than having a survey chock full of negativity, the fact that we had a strong majority of responses which DIDN'T cite problems was indicative that perhaps the survey was more rounded than one might have anticipated.

I would accept on reflection that we don't know whether the distribution of answers is a true reflection of total owners' experiences. Obviously a bigger sample would make the stats more credible.

---------- Post added at 11:57 PM ---------- Previous post was at 11:42 PM ----------

agreed. Btw Mr VP Sony Mobile division, perhaps encourage your designers to NOT use glass too :) Ty very much :D
[Xperia Z3 Compact General] jauhari:
We have same question... and still investigate from many Forum Post... I hope I got better answer to pick this phone or not...
[Xperia Z3 Compact General] xerophyll:
worry not dear friends, apparently the guys at another thread has managed to get the people at evolutive labs to make the rhino shield crash guard bumper for the xperia z3 compact!

evolutive labs did one for iphone previously and it got so many backers/pledgers for it....hopefully we can do the same for this one..so come and join in the fun peeps! they need to get 1400 pre-orders before they can start production of this wonderful thing :D

(sorry you have to edit the link as i could not post url)

Rhino Shield Crash Guard Bumper for iPhone: https www kickstarter.com/projects/1081571316/rhinosheild-crash-guard-slim-impact-bumper-for-iph

PRE-ORDER HERE:

Rhino Shield Crash Guard Bumper for Z3 Compact: http www evolutivelabs.com/pages/crashguard-sony-z3-compact
[Xperia Z3 Compact General] alpha-niner64:
If a phone warms up, slightly per regular operation use, most likely that phone is still operating within its TDP. When I see Z3s implode on itself like a generic battery then I would start worrying about how heat can be a problem. As for the screen cracks: anybody have a microscope that can care to observe the microstructure of the material? If you guys really want to dig down and root out the possibility of an isolated batch then its important to observe the differences in how the glass was produced. If I had a Z3 to compare, I'd do it myself. But since I don't, it will be up to you guys.
[Xperia Z3 Compact General] clouds5:
I really don't know what people are doing or expecting from these ultra thin Smartphones.

1. If you drop any glass device and it happens to drop the right/wrong way the glass parts will shatter. Use a case to reduce the chance of breaking or be careful when using it.

2. For me my phone is not the holy grail, it's a device to be used everyday. It will get wear and tear over time and that is fine. Scratches on the back etc. I really don't mind, on the contrary these scratches make the device my own. More personal.

3. I've got the z3c since over a month. I've been to the beach with it on holiday, played a concert with it, took it to work everyday etcetc. Mostly no case used except a screen protector on the front. And it looks like when I bought it except from a small non visible scratch on the back.

Of course spontaneous breaking is an issue apparently but that are some special cases and not the norm at all. There are very few issues with this device. My experience!
[Xperia Z3 Compact General] degraaff:
I don't think any of us has an electron microscope, that's what you need to see the molecular structure of a material. :P
[Xperia Z3 Compact General] pipspeak:
Cracked screen complaints always seem to surface just after a glass-encased phone launches. Same thing happened with the iPhone4 and the Nexus 4. Same "my screen/back cracked spontaneously" complaints. Same "my screen cracked after minor fall" complaints.

I've had an N4 with just a bumper for protection for two years and dropped it more times than I can remember. Both back and front glass are still virtually flawless. Based on my experience I'm not too worried about the Z3c. I'm sure there are a few units out there with manufacturing defects of some kind that causes screen to crack too easily, which sucks for those who get them, but IMO that's always gonna be the case and no reason to avoid a particular phone.

I do, however, agree that Sony should not have used glass on the back. Metal is the best "premium" material and both LG and Apple seem to have learned their glass-back lessons and switched to using metal on their newer phones (iPhone5/6 and G3). Not sure why Sony has not done so yet. Maybe it's something to do with the waterproofing -- perhaps glass expands/contracts less than metal and plastic, thus ensuring a better seal.
[Xperia Z3 Compact General] degraaff:
Perhaps prototype units are accidentally being mixed with final retail units? It assumable that prototype units use a cheaper kind of glass since they were purely meant for showing off the device.
[Xperia Z3 Compact General] squadz:
Phone has been fine since getting it, I'm leaning towards not believing the people who say that it cracks on impact.

I actually just dropped my phone from about 1.5-2 feet up onto my table, nothing happened. It was accidental, but still. Dropping it on carpet and seeing a crack? Yeah...

Any who, the phone is fine. If you're worried about cracking, don't know what to tell you. Get a case. Otherwise, buy another phone. It's very simple.
[Xperia Z3 Compact General] Zurginator:
Same threads show up if a phone has a glass front too. (source: S1, S2, N4, N5)

G3 is plastic. Sony can't use metal because Apple has patents on using the edge as an antenna, and HTC has patents on using the back.

Basically, they're gonna have to pay somebody if they want to do it. Considering profits are less than $5 per device (assumption based on running Apples Q4 2013 numbers), that's not an additional cost they want.
[Sprint Samsung Galaxy Note II] jlmancuso:
Well guys I just found this over on the n7105 forum.

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?p=55938107

It wont take much to get it working for us. So once I get brokenos updated I will be starting on this for us.
[Sprint Samsung Galaxy Note II] jpisini:
That sounds really cool
[Sprint Samsung Galaxy Note II] jlmancuso:
Well I got the core of this working. Only got to get kernel support and we will be multi booting like never before. You can have as many roms as you want (limite only by space). So far I have seen some say tw will only run on primary but wont know about our device till I get kernel going.
[Sprint Samsung Galaxy Note II] jpisini:
Look forward to trying it out
[Sprint Samsung Galaxy Note II] migjr415:
Looks very interesting can wait to try it, wish I knew of an Ubuntu touch rom I could try with it.
[Sprint Samsung Galaxy Note II] jlmancuso:
In time good sir you just might. Be warned ubuntu touch doesnt work very well.
[Sprint Samsung Galaxy Note II] KennyG123:
Thread closed until if and when the OP returns from his vacation
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro General] Khael:
Hi!

i've some problema with my qtek 9000...

First of all sorry for my bad english :)

I have upgrade my pda to the last version and than i install tomtom6 (last version!)

But this does not function correctly in fact it go very slowly!

(Non so come si dice che va a scatti :) se mi potete fare la traduzione :D )

Ho notato che appena formattato non lo fa, come sincronizzo contatti e co lo da....

Ma non vorrei insistere!

Thanks

khael
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro General] Bartjan:
tomtom 5 is faster in my experience.

but if you haver trouble connecting to the gps mouse use the search, because there are lots of topics on that
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro General] hotbot:
To get TT6 working faster, try to defragment your SD-card. This helped a lot. Using a fast SD helps also.
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro General] Khael:
ok....

but there is the probem also in the program when you don't use the navigator!
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro General] Khael:
hi!

i understand that is a problem of the sd cards!

Tks

khael
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro General] Khael:
sorry....

i have the same problem also with another one sd....

:(

can anyone help me?

tks

khael
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro General] Khael:
upp!

Help me please :D
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] ReggieSmith:
Looks like Samsung may release LolliPop to our beloved Note 4 sooner rather than later.... but how long will the carriers take before turning it around for us?

http://www.sammobile.com/2014/10/21...te-to-android-lollipop-for-the-galaxy-note-4/

:good:
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] Astom22:
I will be shocked if we see it before April 2015 on AT&T. Samsung will have to massage it, then AT&T has to bloat it.

I hope I'm wrong.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] harlenm:
I'll probably have sold the Note4 before it gets lollipop.

In 6 months of owning the S5, it was never upgraded to 4.4.4
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] TechSavvy2:
4.4.4 has only been out for 4 months, you think you'd have it already on a carrier specific phone, and samsung at that? and with 4.4.4 being a minor update?

By the time 4.4.4 released, Sammy was already well into working on 5.0 Why do the work for a minor update when you could just go straight for the big release?
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] harlenm:
It was released by other carriers.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] TechSavvy2:
And? That means nothing. What is it you think you're missing out on with the 4.4.4 update? In answering that 99.99% of people are going to have to look up what the update even entitled.... Can't complain about not getting something that changes absolutely nothing in your phones functionality / aesthetics / UI
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] JasonJoel:
I was shocked when Verizon released it, they are usually really slow. ..

And to answer Techsavvy2's question, in Verizon at least, the GS5 4.4.4 update fixed many Bluetooth issues that were present in 4.4.2. But I agree with Tech's point in that new for new's sake is a little pointless.

Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-N910A
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] Techweed:
I hope we see it before the New Year, although I know the odds of that happening are almost nil. I also hope Samsung adopts the new aesthetic as much as possible, though their current version of Touchwiz is much better than previous versions.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] ekinnee:
Hope so. Not going to hold my breath waiting though.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] Jennygirl:
Good news

http://au.ibtimes.com/articles/570797/20141027/lg-g3-galaxy-note-4-samsung-s5.htm

Warning: gnarly ads ahead, must wait for ad to display before scrolling down
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] ekinnee:
Terrible link. I can't read the article due to the constant scrolling as ads load and the full screen T-Mobile ad that I can't seem to dismiss.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] pr0cl1v1ty:
Adblock Plus is amazing for google chrome, now if your on your phone idk what to tell you.

Thanks for this article!
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] Jennygirl:
Yeah it's pretty bad. You have to wait to let the ad load before the page will let you scroll downwards. I experienced the same thing. Give it 10-15sec to load and hit the X in the top right, then you should be good

Sorry about that
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] ekinnee:
It's not you. It's the sites that seem to try and piss you off and have you not read the article because you have to dismiss so much **** to see the content.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] Jennygirl:
Thanks and I hear you, the news sites seem to be the biggest offenders.

At least it is good news :)

Hopefully as stated earlier in the thread it holds true for AT&T. Maybe they will realize with such a big OS release that people will want it sooner than later.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] imnoob55:
I have a feeling AT&T is going to delay it for at least a month while it figures out what features they want to disable to add in their own bloated, pay to use version of it :(!
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] SysAdmNj:
Why is it called lollipop.....suckers.....

So maybe now a nexus 6 is looking good?
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] ekerbuddyeker:
Good.luxk getting one.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] Jennygirl:
For anyone else who loves the new design eLements, there is a great post here that allows you to install an L themed google keyboard for non-rooted devices. I must say, I've been using it for several days and I love it!! Totally appeasing my need for the new style.

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?p=53716545
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] imnoob55:
Here is another preview of android L on the s5 with the updated touch wiz UI to incorporate material design:

http://androidcommunity.com/samsung-gives-second-preview-of-lollipop-for-galaxy-s5-20141101/

Looking pretty nice.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] :
Ok thanks!
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] stoobie-doo:
So... seeing the 1st Snapdrgaon Lollipop release in Germany (http://www.sammobile.com/2015/02/13...-n910f-galaxy-note-3-lte-get-lollipop-update/). Anyone know if there are hardware differences between the F and A variant besides the LTE bands? Hoping the only real impediments to release are AT&T's certification and making sure all of the bloatware goes on.:p
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] Martinjv71:
4 months after 1st post was made later....
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] ReggieSmith:
Yeah, yeah, but no one could have foreseen the battery drain issue. That alone set the release back a full 30 days.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] OTSS:
As with everything Android/Samsung - there is always an excuse.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] svengalis:
I thought lollipop was suppose to increase battery life
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] ReggieSmith:
There was a bug in the initial release of lollipop that caused a drastic battery drain... Hit the nexus devices pretty hard and took google longer than it should to fix it.

My daughters G3 just got the update so I am not a happy camper right now.. ?
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] nyydynasty:
my wife just got the update on her G3 as well and I have to say that its not as impressive as I hoped. Visually, there's not much different and the performance is virtually the same. But to be honest, I'm not sure what I was looking for with this update ...LOL
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] omair2005:
There is a noticeable performance and battery difference for the Notes. Dalvik -> art, and just like everything with a new OS, a lot of under the hood tweaks that you dont see. LG G3 adds their own skin on top. If you had a google phone running kitkat, then upgraded to lollipop, the visual changes would be more apparent.