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[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] stueycaster:
Ok so maybe a lot of people see the S-Pen as a gimmick they don't really need but it's a necessity to me. I'm always having to take notes while talking to healthcare and government people due to my wife's incurable illness. Also they will hold on to their value. People don't like the Note 5.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] bagery77:
[MENTION=5297338]oneandroidnut[/MENTION] I notice in your sig you "had" an LG G4. I really hoped I could give up my DE for it but I was underwhelmed once it dropped. Seemed on equal footing in most ways. What were your main complaints?
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] droidrev71:
Divided by two maybe
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] oneandroidnut:
Honestly I did not like anything about that phone other then the camera. The camera was amazing and everything else fell flat imo. I had two to start off that were lagging and touch issues. Did not feel good in had and the "real" leather was a complete let down. Felt worse then my "fake" leather note 4. Did you sell your G4 and keep the note 4 de?

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yeah possibly more. I would honestly try an ebay auction see how high it would go.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] droidrev71:
I don't think it's a gimmick at all. Sorry to hear about your wife. I'm in the same boat with my health for 14 years now.

Idk which people people you say don't like the note 5. I personally don't own one but I messed with one at best buy and it was like a blown up S6. The S6, for me, was great. A little weak at times on battery but for the most part I was getting 4 hours of sot. So a blown up S6 with an s pen is a win in book.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] oneandroidnut:
Spen so far is the best thing about the note 5!!! It feels amazing in hand and writes ever so smoothly on the screen now and I thought the note 4 spen wrote well! Spen has me blown away on the note 5!
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] bagery77:
I never got the G4. I'd only had the DE for a short while when the G4 came out. I've had DE for about 5 months now, and nothing has surpassed it yet. I thought surely for a device so "old," something would do it. And nothing. I switched to the new off contact postpaid now, contemplating jump from 64gb to 128 and think I'll just be happy with what I've got for a while. Thanks a bunch for the info!
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] oneandroidnut:
No problem man! Yeah I hear you I have had the note 4 de since late 2014 and still nothing can beat it. Been on the note 5 last couple days trying to have it beat the note 4 de out but idk yet. Looking forward to trying moto x this week and will decide after i have all 3 in hand at once
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] bagery77:
Keep us posted!
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] oneandroidnut:
Will do! i am excited to buy a moto x as well!
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] cedricl:
Not a fan of PhoneDog anymore since ads starting dominating the site. The Note 4 is listed as the number 1 phone on the People's Choice and number 3 on Expert's Choice. So much for the new crop of Samsung phones.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] bagery77:
Shocked to see M9 as #2. Didn't know it was such a beast!
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] oka1:
From the Moderator

To All When posting please post respectfully, on topic, or......

........Do Not Post............ easy.......

A couple of Thoughts on the Note 4 / 5 .......... I have had owned every Samsung device since the Galaxy 1 ....... I have noticed as of late ATT and Verizon really have cinched down on the bootloader........

Just a suggestion if you want an unlocked CDMA phone, why not figure which other country is using cdma and get that one unlocked. That is what most ppl are doing with the Note 4 and now the Note 5 with ATT... they get a TMO unlocked....... done and not paying a top dollar price. Just a Thought

Remember when posting be kind, be civil

Thanks ~~~ oka1
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] wy1d:
We've mentioned this several times in this thread, but that doesn't work with Verizon. You have to buy a Verizon phone in order to use Verizon data network. Att and T-Mobile don't impose the restriction that Verizon does.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] stueycaster:
A lot of people don't like the fixed battery and lack of an SD slot. I really like the SD a lot. On my N4 out of 91.62 GB of combined storage I have 40.1 GB unused. I've used 51.52 GB. On a 64 GB Note 5 I'd only have 12.48 GB left already. The Note 5 64 GB is quite expensive. It doesn't seem right to spend a lot of extra money for a restrictive phone. The 32 GB Note 5 would be useless.

I have 1.5 TB of external hard drive space here at my place. I do keep my phone data backed up. I'm not going to use cloud storage. If I want to I can double my SD space. Having SD support really seems like the way to go to me. I know I could keep more stuff on my external hard drives but I like having everything handy. Especially if I'm not at home.

Granted, my Note 4 has great battery life and I don't change my battery often but I got an extra battery with it. I have that option. I'm sure some N5 owners will end up having to get their battery replaced and hopefully it won't hurt the phone when it dies.

The Note 5 doesn't seem like a very smart phone to me.

Update: What's up with the back on the N5? Is it made of Gorilla Glass? I hope it's not as brittle as the screens. I once dropped an uncased Note 2 about 15 inches and shattered it.

Sent from my SM-N910V DE w/ MoRom
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] jbombs16:
What other international carriers use verizon bands? I'd buy an international phone if it matched all the bands.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] evilryry:
None I don't think. At least for cdma support, not sure about LTE band support but I'm 75% sure they don't have Verizon LTE band either. International version on cdma network like Verizon is doomed for failure IMO. Don't think cdma is widely used outside of the USA.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] blubyu87gt:
Not to mention that major carriers outside the US are retiring their CDMA networks.

I wouldn't say failure for Verizons CDMA network. Just old tech that will be retired eventually. They are still raking in the cash on the M2M / IOT segment, which the devices are mostly 1X/EV-DO.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] evilryry:
As far as newer phones go most phones international I haven't seen them have cdma 1x/ev-do support or band 4/13 for LTE. International phones might work ok for gsm here in the USA but I really think for Verizon it'd not be worth looking into
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] jpcalhoun:
Are You KIdding

6:17PM and my Note 4 is STILL "Out For Delivery". This is killing me!!!
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] doctor-cool:
Is there a way to have a duel boot?

Maybe have a second operating system on the SD card? That way we would not damage the stock operating system.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] VirgilWoods:
It's the most disappointing thing about the device so far in my eyes. USB 3.0 allows for faster transfer rates, significantly high enough to warrant the adoption. One thing that I hate is slow transfer speeds between my computer and the phone via USB 2.0. Now my guess to why they went back to 2.0 would be that there may be due to compatibility with the fast charger and/or other accessories. I'm assuming that they didn't test USB 3.0 to handle a 5v/2a electrical stream either because they rehashed older tech or have a more sinister peripheral agenda. I wish I could get the guys on the line to really tell us why because I'm dumbfounded by the downgrade.

I know the wait. I had my regular Note 4 coming in today as well with a different courier and another package with FedEx that didn't have the developer edition on the truck when it came in the morning. Had to wait for their afternoon van. Now the guy who hit me up from Craigslist to buy the regular Note 4 from me today flaked out so I'm stuck with a $700 paper weight until I find a buyer.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] GirLuvsDroid:
What version of ODIN did you use?

Never mind -- I got it here: http://www.mediafire.com/download/vwuqru9m1jp9wbw/Odin3_v3.09.zip
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] fz798:
3.09 IIRC (and that's a big "if") :)

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BTW. In sure you know, but make sure to use "PDA", now it's labeled "BL". if you use the "phone" option, you'll wind up with a $700 paperweight
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] pego99:
So the boot loader is unlocked but is the unit also rooted? What are the negatives of getting the developer edition?
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] fz798:
OK not being mean here, but you really need to read this thread from the beginning, it's not that long. Sorry if that sounds harsh, but I promise you that you will learn more than just the answers to those questions.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] pego99:
No your not being mean just being a d**k. 25 pages is not long right. I looked through the first 10 pages and didn't find the answer about rooting and the negatives. Thanks for nothing.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] fz798:
More often than not, when people get a "RTFM" type response, they get very defensive and sometimes even belligerent, but your reception and response are to be commended.

: thumbup:

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Wow, and I just got finished complimenting you. Guess I spoke too soon.

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Give me back my thanks, jacketysmacks. :)
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] EMSpilot:
CF Auto-Root SM-N910V Dev Phone Only

CF Auto-Root SM-N910V Dev Phone Only

http://download.chainfire.eu/590/CF-Root/CF-Auto-Root/CF-Auto-Root-trltevzw-trltevzw-smn910v.zip

Chainfire built this for me!! I do not get my Dev Phone unitl Friday!! So not tested yet!!

This is a new link from Chainfire. Please test and advise!!
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] GirLuvsDroid:
Are you sure you're not supposed to use AP and not BL? According to this http://jellybean-news.blogspot.com/2013/08/features-and-download-odin-v309.html, PDA was rebranded to AP.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] fz798:
I extracted and ODIN'ed the MD5, got ODIN "FAIL" ... anyone else try?

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For the TWRP, I've been using "BL" and it works correctly. In fact, just had to use it again, because I tried the auto-cf flash and wound up with a very scary firmware update failed message on boot. I re-flashed TWRP (using "BL") and all good again now
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] GirLuvsDroid:
Good to know -- thanks!
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] fz798:
Yup, I just tried the auto-cf again, as "PDA" per Chainfire's instruction (tried with the included ODIN 3.07 as well as the renamed "AP" in ODON 3.09) and both gave me ODIN "FAIL" and then you get a REALLY scary "Firmware update failed" message at boot... makes you crap your pants a lil. Then I re-flashed TWRP and all is good. I use the "BL" button for TWRP and all's well.

So now I've flashed TWRP like 4 times already, works fine. gets you out of the "bad firmware update" jam just fine.

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LMAO that's the first time I ever "took back thanks".
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] GreenGoblin227:
Baby, is healthy and I must say that i give UPS credit wheres its due. The driver went to my work and they told them I was at the hospital and I wouldn't be back till monday. The driver personally delivered my package when he was off his shift. Just charging her up now....
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] fz798:
Congrats on both additions to your family
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] GirLuvsDroid:
Congrats -- on both! Wow, it's amazing what the driver did.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] Boss428man:
You should consider starting a forum with detailed instructions on how to flash twrp, and root. Maybe keep a few of the first post open for future developments. If I have some time and figure it all out I could maybe do a video. GREAT WORK!!! Thanks for keeping us in the loop and going out on a limb with your hours old Note 4!!!
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] fz798:
Thanks. So far, we still don't actually have root, but I'm hopeful we're close. See the CF-auto-root thread
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] mrlaigle:
http://download.chainfire.eu/396/SuperSU/

has anyone tried to flast this in TRWP? in the past thats all that we needed to do once we got the unlocked BL....
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] wy1d:
My coworker had a Sprint Note 3 and switched to Verizon. He went through a similar epic quest to get it activated on Verizon. His account was in good standing and Sprint carrier unlocked it. He was able to put an AT&T or T-Mobile SIM in and it worked. He never got it working on Verizon. Some employees told him it just couldn't be done ever. Others said the process was one way or the other. He tried the IMEI acquisition process and never heard back. He'd call to check the status and they'd have no idea what he was talking about. Even if he gave them his ticket number, they'd say it wasn't possible and he'd need to get a Verizon phone.

He finally gave up and bought a Verizon S6 and sold the Sprint phone. He never heard anything back on the IMEI request and he put it in like 6 months ago.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] texasez:
https://swappa.com/listing/FWF531/view

DE for sale
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] droidguy22:
So Sprint carrier-unlocked Note 4 would work on Verizon 1x, 3g & 4G/LTE by just popping in my active SIM?
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] bagery77:
In case anyone missed it, Amazon has 128gb micro sd's supposedly "today only" for $47.99. Been in my cart for over a week at $59.99. So I snatched that thing up immediately!
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] FAUguy:
I got one 2 weeks ago at the $59. Get about 80MBps read, but write is only about 15MBps (when tested on my PC using Crystal and in the Note4).

Also, the massive 200GB is $149. Earlier today I was thinking about ordering that one and returning the 128GB back. Now I'm not sure. Even at this price, a person could by 3 128GB cards for the same price of the 200GB.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] XDAFTW:
Like you have said. Don't base specific ideas of what I say.....But I'm pretty sure after a contract is up or device/line is paid in full all the companies are obligated to unlock your device.

That to me more sounds like what I just saw in one of the other pages where someone was told by a TMobile rep that they were not allowed to buy a Note 4 from them for full price and walk out of the store with it and not put it on their network....SAYS WHO???
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] dominick_7:
I did one of those gift reward things for a Note 4, the check came in yesterday. Am not sure which Note 4 to get in order to have a potential to root. Looks like maybe the retail might have it permanently with the bounty offers.. maybe..?

I'd ideally like to get one new, but should I just get a used developer edition one if I can from Swappa since I guess they're no longer available for sale, or get a new one from one of the carriers? Seems like the Note 4 is better just because of the option for SD Card and removable battery, though I'm still considering the Note 5. Have yet to check it out in stores.

Verizon has the best coverage and would prefer that, ATT is a close second, if not even better with coverage in my house, but apparently TMobile ones are the easiest to deal with in terms of root from what I thought I read.

I don't have a carrier except I use Straighttalk prepaid with a cheap LG smartphone, for only $10 per month which is good enough for me. I wouldn't use whichever Note 4 or 5 as a phone unless I did the $40-$50 per month with Walmarts carrier or Straighttalk, mostly would use it as a tablet via Skype, but if I wanted the option to root, am not sure I'm clear on which phones can be used on which networks and what the limitations are as I might get a contract if I have to down the line.

I thought Verizon had all the bands where you might lose 4G on say Sprint and or GSM networks, but TMobile can't be used on Verizon. Sorry if it seems like a jumbled question but am just wondering if you have any insights on which Note would be best to get. Any help is appreciated.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] xdadevnube:
If you need Verizon LTE band 13, then you need VZW dev or retail device. Dev devices are apparently no longer offered and retail may not attain permanent root.

Note 5 probably won't have a dev version and retail will probably never attain root.

You could get a 910C or 920F if you can live without band 13. You could use on TMobile or ATT.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] tek818:
I have a Note 4 Dev. edition is great condition available if anyone is interested...
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] oneandroidnut:
I still have my developer edition. Nothing can still top it imo. Just got the moto x pure today. If it can't beat it I'll gonna keep rocking the old note 4 dev
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] ilpleasu:
How much?

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How much?
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] krishaun27:
Great phone!
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] bagery77:
Anyone still on KitKat like myself or has everyone moved on?
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] CrozB:
Still KitKat too.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] Oh_wow:
Been running 5.0.1 with BOG5 on Jasmine 3.0 for several weeks with zero issues....love this phone
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] rayjr13:
Interested.

Sent from my Electric Boogalocked Turbo
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] deltatom:
Is you DE still available?
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] CrozB:
I too am going to throw my N4 dev edition up for sale. Its been a great phone but I have way too many differnt phones now. You should see the looks I get from my wife when the delivery guy comes knocking... "What? You need another phone?" :)
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] deltatom:
I'm looking for a Verizon de note 4. It looks like yours is ATT, correct?
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] CrozB:
No. Need to update my profile I guess :) It is the Verizon Dev edition.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] fz798:
+1 Same, except I updated to 3.01, but yea, Jasmine is solid, stable, and fast.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] droidguy22:
I am interested, do you still have it? PM me the price..
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] deltatom:
Could you pm me to see if we can make a deal. I tried to pm you but couldn't. Thanks, Tom
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] TheodorK11:
So I might try to convince my work to put my Developer Edition on my business line...if they don't know what it is....but that plan might fail. If it does, is there anyone out there with a Verizon Note 5 that would want to partially trade for my DE?

*just putting this out there because there are people interested. Sorry if it could be considered inappropriate for the thread.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] oneandroidnut:
I'm still on kitkat. Tried lollipop and didn't deem it worth the switch. Battery life better on kk too

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Maybe I should give lollipop another shot?
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] rayjr13:
Just missed my sale was willing to trade mine for a note 4 DE

Sent from my Electric Boogalocked Turbo
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] bagery77:
Are you using Xposed? Please keep me posted if you wind up liking Lollipop. I'm still holding out for a sign of some sort. I don't want to have to make too many concessions if I don't have to. There seems to always be a but so far.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] oneandroidnut:
Oh yeah got xposed rocking on kitkat. I can push this thing with heavy use and then swap a battery in, in 10 seconds and be right back to 100%. Although the note 5 didn't have bad battery life
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] bagery77:
Note 4 is definitely a keeper. I just keep reading about all the new features which make me second guess my status. Might go ahead and wait a little bit longer for a few more modules to come on board. I was hopeful, reading about a modified App Settings availabilty earlier today...
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] dominick_7:
This sucks. I tend to get the money right after the thing I want becomes unavailable.. What reason do you and others have for saying retail Note 4 (presumably for Verizon?) and the Note 5 won't ever get root access? They're doing a bounty for the Verizon Note 4 now right? 910C and 920F (not sure the difference between the two) are those unlocked international versions? So they're better to get than the TMobile and ATT versions?
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] oneandroidnut:
Yes it is and i am going to send my moto x back and sell the one plus two that i got and then buy a 64 gb note 5 and rock both notes!
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] xdadevnube:
The Note 4 doesn't seem like it will obtain permanent root (still possible) or permanent root with Write Protection off (again, still possible.)

The Note 5 will disable the device if it gets rooted, this is a new security "feature" by Samsung. Note 5 could be hopeless.

910C and 910F, one is Snapdragon, one is Exynos. Look up their specs. They both have LTE bands that can work with ATT/T-Mobile. You'll have to check the specs to ensure that it will have everything you need. That is all you need to know regarding band information, just look it up and find out if it works for you.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] dominick_7:
Hmm k. I called Verizon and they told me they can't sell me a device without getting service. I just wanted to use it as a tablet, to buy it full retail and not get service till maybe down the road when I may put it on Tracfone. Unless you know of a carrier brand that will just sell it to me without service, which doesn't seem profitable for them to do, I guess I'll have to get an unlocked one, one of the ones you mentioned. Am assuming the Exynos 910C octacore would be the better choice for power and having no lag. To be clear I can use the Verizon one on other carriers but cant use the GSM carriers (ATT/Tmobile) on Verizon right? Do you know a good place to buy it from? Maybe I'll just get the Verizon retail and deal with the month of service I don't want. Meh. Which would you recommend if you were in my situation? Thanks for explaining it btw.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] xdadevnube:
No ROMs on Exynos, but you'd have great kernel support. Snapdragon is the converse. Check out the Snapdragon vs Exynos threads, but they usually turn into flame wars.

Amazon and eBay are great places, you could save money and get a refurb. You could save more money and get a 910H that doesn't have LTE.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] dominick_7:
Isn't the DE Exynos? Thought I saw people talking about ROMs. Not sure what you mean by converse.. typo? My friend has the snapdragon, he says he has to reboot it once per week to eliminate lag. I edited my last reply but you replied too quick before I finished it haha. I don't do refurbs. Have never had a good experience with refurbs. Every single device I've had shipped had problems likely from them drop kicking it at UPS.. so was hoping to get it in store. Best Buy has none but one Sprint device and Verizon is the only one that seems to have them in stock. You have a take on the Exynos v Snapdragon? Wanted to ask in the edit above, which would you get if you were in my situation?
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] CrozB:
You and I sure had a different experience with the Moto X Pure. It is now my main phone. Surprised you found it lacking. Good thing we are not all stuck with a single choice (how do those iPhone users stand it? :confused:)

Does Sammy have a N5 that is rootable on Verizon? I gave up looking as we never found an exploit on the N4 :(. Would be nice to know they are keeping that going with a developer edition and/or found an exploit :) But for me, now that I own the Moto X, I do not want to pay $750.00 for a phone ever again :)
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] xdadevnube:
No AOSP ROMs. dev is SD. I meant converse.