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[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] oneandroidnut:
i have no idea what you are talking about. their margins are very good. phones are a small portion of their whole business. Their stock is rebounding nicely so i have no idea what you are thinking
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] tfly212:
I'm either buying this or the Nexus 6. I don't care about flashing ROMs anymore, but root is important (unlimited tethering, Automateit, TI backup, etc). I would miss the S-pen with the Nexus and the removable battery (SD card less so) but I kind of like the look of the Nexus 6 better. N4 looks a lot like the N3.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] Mibuix0r:
haha yeah I am thinking about the N6 too but I can't buy that either! I also dont want to have to return and order another case.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] shpotik:
I really hope you are right:)
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] oneandroidnut:
i will be buying one for sure. the money is just sitting burning a hole in my pocket!!
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] sprintuser1977:
Correct me if I'm wrong but this is a forum about phones right, not microwaves or refrigerators?

So yeah I'm referring to their cell business.

You may be more knowledgeable than me on the subject, but I know a tiny bit.

I have managed multi million dollar stores and been in charge of up to 11 stores as a district manager. Business, sales, economics, profit, and any other metric in that universe I know.

I have spoken with people from samsung, not the minimum wage phone answerer, but corporate big wigs. They are throwing any and all ideas out there to get their numbers back up.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] oneandroidnut:
Oh no i agree is a cell phone forum but cell phones is a small market of their whole company. Samsung is huge working with Google another huge company. I dont look for them to run into any trouble for a long long time if ever. Same goes for Google and as much as it hurts me to say it...Apple. I am not saying that they are in trouble possibly but these companies are always talking about how to get numbers up. Sure it hasnt been a great year for samsung but who has a great year in the android world? HTC? no clue they were close to becoming bankrupt way back when and the M8 saved them (well time will tell). What numbers are down? were you talking overall phone totals or a specific phone?
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] VirgilWoods:
I agree as a capitalist that they need to be listening to us to expand their market share and product reach. The fact is that their supply chain snd distribution for this device along with employee education was hands down poor. I say this as an operations consultant and PMP-certified project manager.

I spoke with some corporate higher ups from my Alma mater and so far though what I've seen is a lack of a strong corporate culture tying then to their products. I was flat out advised to just get my credit card company to do a charge back rather than deal with their outsourced customer service centers and the illusive presidents office. Even executive customer relations isn't on the Samsung payroll.

I'm advising you all that Samsung Telecommunications of America dropped the ball on this one. I think part of the blame comes from a lack of strong leadership around this time. They are missing a director of supply chain operations and a director of customer service operations among a few other key employee positions that had to oversee the deployment of the Note 4.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] Poloasis:
This morning the Dev Ed took longer to be added to the cart, I tough I was into something, maybe changes was been made to this site section. Nope still back ordered.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] Boss428man:
SO you know for a fact that Verizon doesn't have limitations on this. Also how many people are actual "Developers" buying the Note 4 hence the name Developer Edition. When its looked at that way they probaly only expect a few people to buy it. I am with you I want more to be out there Android is a open platform and we all deserve to own what we buy including if we break it but we don't have all the information on why they are limited and my buck says it sits back with BIG GTEEN oh I mean red Verizon.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] pentafive:
What makes you say that? Their website says 1 year.

http://www.samsung.com/us/support/service/warranty/SM-N910VMKEVZW

-JD
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] holycow1:
Hey guys, I bought a developer edition and was planning on using it for AT&T, but it looks like the LTE isn't going to work (at least in my area) so I'm looking to sell it or trade it for an unlocked T-Mobile version. PM me if interested. Thanks :o

PS: already flashed TWRP and rooted, if it matters. Can reflash to stock with stock recovery if requested.

Edit: Was looking to get $725. Paid around $740 with tax. Can ship priority 2-3 day mail. I put a screen protector on it. Just got it today and figured out LTE wasn't going to work. Only battery was opened, charger still sealed. Phone hasn't been used other than root & finding out at&t LTE was a no go. Sucks cause I was really looking forward to switching over today from my note 3 =/

Edit2: SOLD. Thanks for all your interest guys. Hope Samsung gets some more in stock really soon!
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] jam2315:
Pm.sent duh lol
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] tom1226:
Nice, thanks for pointing that out. I got my order in when the pricing was a little lower, and they had a 30 day timeline listed then. Glad to see they changed it.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] jal3223:
That's awesome! I spoke with a rep and they said only 30 days (albeit for the developers edition Galaxy s5). Another guy also showed a page from the manual of his note 4 dev edition in this thread and it said 30 days as well. It seems they will have to cover it considering what the website says it big letters. Thanks for the find man.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] neva4self:
PM sent.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] Mibuix0r:
PM Sent :)
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] skillzo1:
Anyone have Marco handling their case at ext 121?
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] mlin:
Interesting, I remember when I was contemplating the N3 DE, I'm almost certain I read that the warranty was 30 days. They must've changed things or I was hallucinating.

The whole idea of the developer edition is irritating. I wish Samsung/Verizon would adopt something similar to other carriers and HTCdev bootloader unlocking which lets anyone essentially turn their phone into a "developer edition," and let Samsung/Verizon keep track of which phones have unlocked bootloaders. Unfortunately, Verizon doesn't actually allow the use of HTCdev for bootloader unlocking which is somewhat inconsistent with the allowance of DE Samsung phones to be on their network.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] mlin:
Is that for the N3 or N4?
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] jpmcnown:
Marco handled my order. He had to get management involved to credit me the difference on the original backordered price, stated to be $663.52 instead of $699.99. They didn't bother to adjust for the difference in sales tax , but frankly, I was tired of screwing with em.

In case you needed it, his name is Marco Paz, and he email address is:

sta131@samsungfulfillment.com

Marco Paz

Samsung Mobile USA

Accessory Division / Dealer Services

8201 Eastpoint Drive Ste. #500 Dallas, TX 75227

1-800-757-0280 ext. 131.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] skillzo1:
thanks. Im getting tired of him myself. Though hes been the most helpfull im just getting tired of this entire thing.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] bobbarker2:
So is there no other way to buy a Note 4 Dev Edition atm? Maybe ebay but I bet the prices get really inflated. Is there any word on when they will stock the device again, other than the standard up to 4 weeks bit.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] skillzo1:
As of today i was still told this week
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] Mibuix0r:
I am pretty sure no one who answers phones has any idea and they just make up dates to get people off the phone and somewhat satisfied. Right now I'm buying wte I can get first, a 64gb Nexus 6 or a Note 4 dev edition. Both seem unobtainable.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] bobbarker2:
I just sold my 64GB N6 preorder on ebay after seeing the reviews. I don't want a giant tablet with a dim screen, poor color reproduction, terrible saturation levels and so-so battery life. If they're going to make a device that big, they should have put a huge battery in it.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] mlin:
The Verge gave it a pretty good review. I typically find their reviews to be pretty solid and reliable. Also, the battery is the same size as the N4.

http://www.theverge.com/2014/11/12/7200705/nexus-6-review
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] GreenGoblin227:
Note 4
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] pego99:
What is a atm version?
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] The-Chief:
Pego, "atm" is Internet short for At The Moment.

And I simply can't trust an eBay Note 4 DE to not be a counterfeit.

No, ugly, mean phone calls get you very little: but a firm but fair, nice but assertive call can go a long way. I called Samsung AGAIN today, and I'm confirmed on back-order but at the inflated price... even though my original back-order was for the $663. That's another battle for another day, though: first is to express my disappointment and frustration that a company as big as Samsung can't get it right on SO MANY orders. Charge my card, deliver the wrong phone, put me on back-order for the right phone but at an inflated price?

I tell ya: if I didn't want this phone so damn bad I'd haul off and buy something else out of sheer spite. But I haven't found another device that even comes close. Maybe Samsung knows this and that explains the casual disregard for us. If one person gets fed up and bails for another phone, ten more will get in line.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] LagunaTechie:
Amen to that!
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] Mibuix0r:
Heh, it has the same size battery as the Note 4. I have heard the screen is dim though.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] Buddy Revell:
Battery size is the same, but multiple reviews have said the Note 4's battery life is quite a bit better.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] neva4self:
How could a Note 4 DE be counterfeit? Either it's a Note 4 with an unlocked boot loader or it isn't. As soon as you tried to root it you would know right away because if the boot loader isn't unlocked you would brick the phone. I always message the seller before I buy anything on ebay and I make sure I list in the message exactly what I expect the item to be based on it's description. Then I always use paypal to pay for my items. When I receive the item, if it isn't what I expected it to be, I contact paypal right away. In over 10 years using ebay I've had problems less than 5 times and any time I had a problem I contacted paypal right away and filed a dispute. They will for the most part always rule there findings in the buyers favor because usually the seller can't prove without a doubt you got what you paid for if you have any type of proof at all that you didn't.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] The-Chief:
By "counterfeit" I meant a Chinese knock-off, much like the "128GB" SDcards for $13 shipped on eBay. You and I both know that memory won't be that cheap for a long time and to run the other way... but I can't count the number of posts I see around with members scratching their heads, wondering why their "64GB" SDcard is suddenly losing critical pics and files. And I don't want a similarly-faked out phone.

I want the REAL thing.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] jpcalhoun:
If I was buying a DE off of Ebay or Swappa I would ask the seller to provide a picture of the phone with the back off, battery removed and look for "Developer Device" printed under the battery on the phone's system board. I'd also ask to see the box with "Developer Device" printed on it.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] wtherrell:
Those adjectives are yours, not the reviewer's. You inferred what fits your gut instincts. Go with your gut feeling. [emoji6]
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] neva4self:
I hear you but replicating a small plastic memory card and its sticker and making look like the real deal and replicating something as complex as a Note 4 and making it look like the real deal to the point where it's flaws are not noticeable is not very likely. I'm a sneaker collector also and just like the Chinese knock-off's versions of sneakers like Jordan's, the flaws are always noticeable to the point where you'd have to be blind not to notice.

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That's why I said you have to let the seller know what your expecting to receive from the description. Requesting pictures is definitely part of that process for anything expensive you buy on ebay. Like I said I have been ebaying for 10+ years and when it comes to expensive products, if a seller doesn't automatically post enough pictures of what he/she is selling with the caption "you will receive exactly what you see pictured" somewhere in the auction, that's usually raises a red flag for me.

Shopping on ebay is 90% common sense. If it doesn't seem right or it seems to good to be true. Guess what!? Lol
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] gstull:
I was the guy who just sold my DE on eBay. It was to technical for me because it doesn't receive updates. You guys are great and I've been a fan of XDA for a long time. I assure you the phone I sold was legitimate, and came directly from Samsung. I understand the frustration of them not shipping these. I can't tell you why I got mine, other than luck or timing. There's probably a lot of rip off artists on eBay but I assure you I'm not one of them. After the phone sold I got a message from some random guy saying I was a rip off artist. Its not my style and I know the buyer will be pleased. Thanks to all of you for sharing your talents with us novices, it's appreciated. Now back to my stock G3.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] bobbarker2:
Go read anandtech. They're the only review site that does actual objective measurements while 99% of other sites just so "the screen looks okay" or something equally subjective.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] The-Chief:
I hope you didn't infer from my "counterfeit" comments that everyone on eBay fakes stuff... I have bought and sold tons o' stuff on eBay, and always check feedback before committing. :)
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] gstull:
Not at all. I clearly understand the eBay concerns. I have always respected what you guys do. I guess I just wanted to let you guys know the one I sold on eBay was truly a DE. The bogus comment from an unknown guy on eBay made me a bit angry because I had received some questions about the phone from a few XDA guys and they were legitimate questions. I guess I just wanted you all to know mine was legitimate. As I said earlier I really respect what you guys are able to do. Its because of you that I thought maybe I could handle the DE phone. But in reality it was over my head and seeing you all so frustrated with Samsung I felt it needed to be with someone who would truly benefit from it rather than wasting it. I hope Samsung gets their act together for you guys and thanks again for sharing your talents with us.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] neva4self:
Hopefully it's taking this long for Samsung to restock DE's because they were truly overwhelmed with back order requests and they have decided to wait until they can at least come close to satisfying the demand rather than making them available again only to watch them sell out again in an hour and still have so many unhappy customers.................................... I know, I know, wishful thinking lol.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] pego99:
Well my back order for the DE began on November 1st so I called today to find out the status. The lady was polite but she has no idea when they will be getting more. But she days they will be getting more at some point for sure. So it's a race for me to get the standard unit when rooting is available or to wait for the DE. Well it's not so bad as my present phone which is a rooted S5. Maybe the S6 will be out before the Note4DE's become available?
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] bjtcars:
My back order was from 11/2 and I also called today and a lady told me they would be available the last week of this month. Hopefully she is right!
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] pego99:
Ebay is full of new verizon note 4's that are factory unlocked. What does that mean? What is unlocked?
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] mlin:
Means it can be used with any carrier, I believe.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] neva4self:
Don't let none of the clowns on eBay get you upset. He was probably trolling you anyway. I have unlimited data so I've bought my last few phones from eBay and I have yet to have problems. I usually catch someone who took advantage of their upgrade discount and doesn't really want a new phone so I end up getting a brand new phone for a couple hundred under retail. Matter of fact my current phone is a Note 2 I got that way. If the retail Note 4 was rootable, I would have already bought one on eBay.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] arjun90:
In what country is the Verizon Note 4 Developer Edition Made In? Please let me know, the information can be found behind the battery cover. Thanks.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] tom1226:
Device is made in China, battery is made in Korea.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] jam2315:
Well its almost the weekend and still no restock up on website. Sure we're all not surprised. Alot of us were told this week they would have some more available. I havnt called them in the last 2 days. What are telling I guys who have called today? Idk why but I'm betting they done get anymore til 1st of the year. :thumbdown::thumbdown::thumbdown:
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] Mibuix0r:
So I called them again today and they said maybe one 1-2 weeks then I asked how many they were getting in and can I reserve once since they messed up my order last time. They said they only got 40 last time! He said he hopes there are more coming next time but he has no idea. I am pretty set on the note 4 instead of the Nexus 6 now but we'll see how bad Samsung drops the ball.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] LagunaTechie:
40 units is better than the 10 I was led to believe from this thread! But at that rate, it will still be months before most of us get our orders through.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] Mibuix0r:
Is it possible to just get the T-Mobile version since its unlocked and then SIM unlock it and use it on Verizon? :D
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] tom1226:
No, T-Mobile version doesn't support the necessary CDMA bands needed for Verizon.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] Mibuix0r:
Heh I was just hoping since they lumped all the bands together in to one device on gsmarena that maybe there was only one device for all of NA
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] tom1226:
Would've been nice, but nope. Only device I know of that's truly carrier agnostic is the Nexus 6. Hopefully other devices do this in the future.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] jam2315:
So the guys on ebay saying they have an unlocked note 4 from Verizon that they were using on T-Mobile is a lie. It's not the dev ed! They say they got it from Verizon and it came unlocked lol. Don't gonna scam me sorry
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] tom1226:
No, thats not a lie. He verizon retail model is carrier unlicked and can be used on tmobile, but its bootloader is locked.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] jam2315:
Thanks for clearing that up. There was supposed to be a question mark after that lol
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] tom1226:
Haha no problem.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] optimusv45:
? So Verizon retail and de can be used on other carrier without sim unlock ?
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] Mr. Toad:
Yes. Verizon does not sim lock their 4g phones.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] optimusv45:
That's awesome to know. DE is cheaper than att and with unlocked bootloader. Only thing is won't get lte but I use straight talk I don't get full speed lte anyways

So now the only thing is there is 0 development for Verizon and development for tmobile is just awesome
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] VirgilWoods:
Has anyone managed to get a custom rom on their DE? Are you guys using T Mobile roms?
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] ebrinkis:
I went through all the xda posts about developer edition phones and counted 34 xda users as having one (me included), and there may still be a few lurkers who haven't posted. It makes sense that the people that got one know exactly where to go. I think a confirmed minimum 34/40 xda users is an awesome ratio!
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] ACiDxCHRiST:
I am loving mine. No custom rom, just twrp/root/wanam xposed/etc.

FYI, if you haven't changed your DPI, I *HIGHLY* recommend it. I followed the recommendations found previously in this thread and set it to 540. It really is a beautiful thing. I literally cannot use my wife's phone which is a retail Note 4. It is really that big of a difference. Use "texdroider_dpi" from the Play Store. Also grab the "App Settings" Xposed module for 'per app DPI' and set the Camera and Contacts back to 640 (which is the default DPI) because the Camera and Dialer don't fill the screen at 540.

P.S. You are gonna need a third party launcher such as Nova to take advantage of the extra home screen real estate.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] GreenGoblin227:
IM not getting full screen on dialer or my camera with the settings your suggested...
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] texasez:
Make me 35.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] GreenGoblin227:
Found this while browsing the interweb in regards to DPI changes...

http://xdaforums.com/note-4-tmobile/general/changing-note-4-dpi-settings-to-change-t2923408

This worked fine, the issue i had before was the App Settings Xposed Module was not active.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] Menchelke:
@10 per box I must have gotten one of the first 10 then as I ordered for 662 and got it 4 days later. Sucks that so many of you are having issues.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] ACiDxCHRiST:
That is an awesome post. Thanks for linking it. Glad you got it sorted. Not sure if I could do 320.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] GreenGoblin227:
Yea. I'm not 320. Too small.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] The-Chief:
Is Samsung really this pathetic?

Come on, Sammy! A dozen DEs at a time? MAYBE? Listen: have your factory crank out about 1000 of these things (that can be done in ONE DAY), stack them in a couple of boxes and put them on the next FedEx plane over here instead of playing onesie-twosies and making us all wait on some stupid container ship! No wonder J.K. Shin took a 50% cut in his pay this last quarter... good grief! If I were a manufacturer the LAST bunch I'd be willing to tick off was my developers: they're among the ones who spread good news or bad news fastest.

GRRRRR!

I am seriously - SERIOUSLY - considering a Nexus 6. As much as I love the S-pen and the Note's features, I loathe Samsung's handling of this mess all the more. I guess whichever phone comes available first, I'm getting it.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] Buddy Revell:
Google is handling the Nexus 6 in a similarly poorly way, though.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] The-Chief:
I agree! This is the biggest taffy-pull since the VZW Galaxy Nexus launch in 2011. What a fiasco.

I think it's a pretty sad state of affairs when phone manufacturers can't manage to manufacture PHONES!

:p
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] pego99:
Chief you should send that note to jkchin.