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[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] elcanela:
Hi, guys. I just wanted to let you guys know I just listed my Note 4 Dev edition on swappa.com . For those interested, this is the link to the listing. Cheers!

https://swappa.com/listing/NDT820/view
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] FAUguy:
I've used JAsmineROM on a Note 3. To to verify, the device is already rooted and this ROM ins installed:

http://xdaforums.com/note-4-verizon/development/rom-jasminerom-v1-0-t3113771

Would I be required to re-flash the ROM, or is it good to go?

Are you the original owner, any issued with the device?
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] elcanela:
Yes, sir. Jasmine 3.0 by [MENTION=5868929]hsbadr[/MENTION]. I have done the firmware upgrade as well. The imperfection is noted on the listing. It is a cosmetic mark on the corner, by the s-pen slot. I am the original owner.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] oneandroidnut:
I saw your listing last night and I have the exact same little chip right above the s pen and no clue how it got there!!!
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] krishaun27:
So I just browsed the Samsung website and noticed that there are *NO* phones for sale at all. Could the Note 4 be the last Developer model ever? It's looking like it.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] deepminer:
They seem to pride themselves on moving the URL around, they must only produce a handful, then they pop the link off, and migrate the URL elsewhere.

Case in point, sorry I can't post the URL this half-assed board engine requires 10 posts but you get the gist: www[dot]samsung[dot]com/us/support/owners/product/ET-N910VMKEVZW

Bookmark that sh*t!!

Anybody find out if Verizon is going to play the same lockdown game with the Note 5? I have an email in at samsung but they only reply to one email I send out of every five or six.

- DM
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] fz798:
Yup http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=62037408&postcount=2366
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] krishaun27:
I don't think that is for the actual phone.

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Note 4 DE

http://www.samsung.com/us/mobile/cell-phones/SM-N910VMKEVZW

Note 3 DE

http://www.samsung.com/us/mobile/cell-phones/SM-N900VMKEVZW
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] plainbum:
If you are selling your Note 4 developers Ed. VZW

Please pm me.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] evilkokonut:
Pm'd
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] ryanbg:
Edit: Researching
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] jal3223:
Will this allow users already has the LP bootloader (OF1 and above) to downgrade to kitkat? Just curious.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] mwebb34:
Wondering if the retail note 4 will ever be rooted? I know its not looking very good
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] FAUguy:
Looking forward to getting the Note 4 DE next week that I got off Swappa a few days ago. Hope I think it is worth the price, being better than my rooted Note 3. Tonight I had to stop by FedEx and next door is a T Mobile. I went in and looked at the Note 5. Nice overall, but I wouldn't get it due to the lack of memory card slot (just got a 128GB card two weeks ago), the slippery back, and currently no root. One person was buying the S6 Edge +. The curved screen seems more of a gimmick.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] cedricl:
If you are selling your VZW Note 4 DE, please pm me!
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] oneandroidnut:
Don't hold your breath
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] bagery77:
So what devices are you all leaving your DE's for?
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] oneandroidnut:
I'm going to try a note 5 most likely just to see but hoping the moto x pulls me away
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] FAUguy:
I'm just getting a pre-owned Note 4 DE, but am also interested in the Moto X Pure Edition. But will have to see what the camera quality is like, as that's usually been the downfall of the Motorolas that I've used.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] xbdarkman:
Please pm if selling
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] FMXP:
The Moto X Pure is going to be the first phone which uses the Sony Exmor RS IMX230 21MP sensor. I'm expecting great hardware, but it's up to Moto if they want a good camera app for it or not. Samsung and Apple always have by far the best camera apps.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] rayjr13:
That much different than the one in the Droid Turbo/Moto Maxx?

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[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] DrPhant0m:
After months of tireless attempts at purchasing a Dev Edition... I finally have one! Some of you may be aware that I had to buy it on Amazon because of all the gift cards I had amassed... and it worked without a hitch! I'm not ready to reveal my secret for acquiring one, though... :p

I'm sure you're all going to heave a sigh of relief that [MENTION=3085711]DrPhant0m[/MENTION] won't be bugging the thread to buy a device on Amazon anymore... and also that one more potential buyer is off the market for the next one that comes up for sale. lol

I'm in the process of backing up and transferring everything from my Note 3, and I plan to install JasmineROM 3.1 in the next hour or so. Give me a week or so, and I'll start trying to contribute to the Note 4 Dev community in other threads.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] fz798:
Congrats, glad you were able to get one.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] oneandroidnut:
Yay that is awesome!! Hope my note 5 is good lol
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] dacapho:
Another one listed, figured I'd share: https://swappa.com/listing/PPX095/view

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[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] oneandroidnut:
$900 lol I'll sell mine for that asap
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] dacapho:
Well it sold for $825 with goodies

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[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] oneandroidnut:
Wow I wanna sell mine now. I have 3 batteries, battery charger, box and everything in it still, like 10 cases and several screen protectors. Wonder what I could get
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] FMXP:
PM me and let's talk about the condition it's in
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] oneandroidnut:
Sent
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] plainbum:
I didn't know I could have made an offer lower than $900 DOH!

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[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] oneandroidnut:
Lol $825 is still good
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] dacapho:
If your gonna spend $900, spend it on a flamethrower before they get banned...http://store.xm42.com/XM42-Flamethrower-p/xm42.htm

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[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] oneandroidnut:
Lol what
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] cedricl:
Thank for posting the link. I couldn't get to it before someone else became the lucky buyer.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] rayjr13:
Consider a note 5 trade what GB you have?

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[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] oneandroidnut:
who you talking too???
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] rayjr13:
You. But really anyone selling a note 4 DE I guess ?

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[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] FAUguy:
Looks like I got lucky buying it at $650 last week. No extra cases or batteries, but can always pick those up.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] evilkokonut:
Ha-ha thanks for promoting my sale. No wonder there was so much activity. I picked up two g4s since I needed to buy my fiance a new phone... But the battery life isn't even close. Definitely going to miss my note
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] oneandroidnut:
You got a white 64?

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I think I still have a 50% code to Samsung yay :)
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] rayjr13:
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[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] oneandroidnut:
Black 64?
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] rayjr13:
Yes

https://swappa.com/listing/QML447/view

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[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] oneandroidnut:
Possibly lol I got a white 32 gb coming tomorrow hopefully if I like it I'll get rid of the 4 & be more then happy to take your 64 lol
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] dacapho:
2nd one this week!!..lol. https://swappa.com/listing/DQL634/view

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[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] wooddale:
Hi guys I have a Note 4 DE for sale in perfect condition this is not the place to discuss it but I wanted to give you guys first shot before I list please PM me if your interested I will answer PM's only. You all know what there going for so serious offers only please. Just for number sake let's start at $950 Thanks.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] FMXP:
I will ask the most obvious question on Earth but someone had to ask it.

Why can't you just buy a US Cellular Note 4 which is not bootloader locked and activate it on Verizon's network? The hardware is probably identical, you might even be able to flash a Verizon ROM to it and it would behave just like a native Verizon device.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] oneandroidnut:
Don't think it has Verizon bands

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Wow cheap too
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] wy1d:
Because Verizon has a white list of devices allowed on their network and other carrier or unlocked devices are not on it.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] mrlaigle:
It's also missing Verizon compatible CDMA radios / bands.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] rayjr13:
Is the battery life that poor on this device that people are selling with 2 or 3 batteries?! Can't be that pathetic circa 2014 with fast charging in tote right?

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[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] oneandroidnut:
It isn't terrible. I always had better be battery life on kitkat then lollipop
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] bagery77:
TMI. With this phone, I actually decided I didn't like being tethered to a cord anymore no matter how long it took. Also my outlets were no longer convenient once i reorganized my apartment. After a very long day of use, I simply wanted to swap out the battery and be done.

The first battery I bought from Amazon looked legit but didn't act like it. I then went for one from Verizon. Now I have three batteries.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] plainbum:
Have they changed their ways?

http://www.zdnet.com/article/finally-non-verizon-iphones-nexus-6-allowed-on-the-carriers-network/
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] rayjr13:
Started to post that last night in response to the white list comment.

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[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] orcsbane13:
I think with more companies going 1 device for all carriers Verizon isn't gonna have a choice which device people use. I hope the end of 'white listed' devices is coming. As long as it has the right radio's it should just work imo
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] mrlaigle:
Yes I just swap batteries and never plug the phone in.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] cedricl:
Happy to say I will be joining the Note 4 DE community after my Swappa purchase today. Hard to imagine paying more for a used Note 4 DE than what I paid for the retail Note 4. But Samsung isn't coming out with anything I would want with the Note 5, so time to get back to having my phone the way I want it.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] rayjr13:
Glad I didn't fight you for it. Starting to change my mind about the Notes all together. Hard to imagine no one else sees the value in a stylus with Android except for in one phablet form factor...

But I'm finding it harder and harder to get a 4 DE and not feel like I'm over paying for the level of compromise. Not saying the 4 DE isn't worth the prices. Just that something else newer should be.

2015 is truly shaping up to be a no flagship year in my eyes.

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[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] cedricl:
As soon as I saw the listing and new pictures, I immediately bought. PM wooddale, http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=62524729&postcount=2522 with a serious offer. If I hadn't already bought the one on Swappa, I would have bought his.

Based on the current phones coming out, the closet phone in capability and function is the Moto X Pure Edition. The Pure Edition was my second choice, but I have been using the Note series for a while. I already have a buyer for my retail Note 4, so I end up paying $300 to get root.

I do use my stylus a lot, so I would have just purchased a Pure Edition wallet case and cared one of my old Note 2 or 4 stylus with me to make notes. I like Papyrus/Squid because I can backup all my note to Dropbox. I am changing over to OneNote for note taking because it syncs with my SurfacePro. I just hate how long OneNote takes to sync sometime.

The IR Blaster I like having, but it is not a must. It is just a convenient feature.

I doubt I will own another phone without a SD card. Even when I had unlimited data, I used an SD card. How many of you have more than 32 GBs of music on your phone. Even though I do stream music a lot, I can't stream music in some of the places I work, on the plane, and risk the possibility of going over the 15 GB plan I have.

Samsung will learn from this the hard way. If I wanted the Apple way and prices, I would purchase an iPhone. Until last year, I had never even touched an iPhone. Only because my good friend needed help doing something was I even willing to touch one.

Just my 2 cents worth.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] rayjr13:
I have agree with almost everything you said. Didn't think about a note stylus with a non sammy device. Does that work well? I'm sure its not the same experience. But really my note 2 is a work phone and we do a lot of cloud storage.. But I find that 64GB will do me fine w/o SD slot particularly for the plane rides and hospital basement etc. I was personally holding out hope for some freedom on a Turbo2/Moto X Style something on Verizon. I don't know if the NExus 6 will interest me though the nexus 5 is as good as purchased when it drops.

Style will be disappointing if the Turbo 2 packs the missing pieces, but it unlocked. It's the same conundrum as the Note 5 Note 4DE for me. Want the turbo2/Note4DE but the style/note 5 is arguably better but locked up and locked down.

and of the 4 phones the Note 4DE is the most expensive and oldest lol. sheesh
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] texasez:
https://swappa.com/listing/FWF531/view

Nice Developer editon on Swappa.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] wy1d:
Another reason Note 4 DE is better than others listed - simultaneous talk and data. Moto X Pure won't have it and Note 5 might not either unless someone can confirm.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] rayjr13:
Can confirm note 5 has advanced calling on vzw!

Is that part of the battery issue with note 4 dual radios? I'm assuming that is what you were thinking was advantage 4 DE.

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[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] FMXP:
I'm assuming he's talking about SVLTE (Simultaneous Voice and LTE). Note 4 seems to support it. Note 5, if it supports the new Band 2 that Verizon is rolling out, might not have the antenna diversity needed to support SVLTE.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] oneandroidnut:
I'm running the note 5 right now I'll have to try that later
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] wy1d:
Newer phones don't have dual radio to support simultaneous voice and data. VoLTE is the supposed answer to this since voice is tunneled over the LTE band (HD Calling). I understand there are several downsides to VoLTE though which is why I don't use it when though my phone supports it:

1. Calls drop when LTE drops. Can not hand off to 3G.

2. Doesn't work with Advanced Caller ID which I use constantly.

Anyone using VoLTE can confirm / deny if these are still concerns. For me, the benefit of "clearer voice if both parties have VoLTE" don't out weigh the negatives.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] bagery77:
For anyone who cares, I also find that Advanced Calling interferes with Google voicemail so my calls will not reroute properly. They go to Verizon basic voicemail.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] blubyu87gt:
It's interesting to see that the DevEds come with a 100%+- markup from the retail. Regardless of the condition. Then the "let's start at 950" haha that's crack head pricing right there.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] wy1d:
I don't think so. I've gotten offers in that ballpark. It's the best hardware in an unlocked device for the best network (Verizon). It really doesn't have a rival even among 2015 phones. It's a sad state of affairs but the N4DE is really a diamond in the rough.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] wy1d:
Post it then. You may want to look a little closer at your math though, the N4DE is $699 retail (plus tax) so 100% mark-up would make it ~1400. (Note 5 retail 64 is 799)

I think you are coming off pretty harsh for xda. This is generally an accepting community that doesn't like being called crack heads. Not having unlocked bootloader and guaranteed root just simply isn't acceptable for most people visiting these forums. Many of us feel the aftermarket dev community is the whole reason to have technology because the manufacturer (especially Samsung) make great hardware (which we cannot do) but just can't get the software right like ever (which we can fix!). That's why we gather here and collaborate.

Getting a locked retail device robs a power user of that, of freedom quite frankly. I don't mean to sound overly dramatic but I'm passionate about technology and it's both my hobby and my career. To me, I'm willing to pay whatever it takes to get the best mobile experience.

When a Note 4 DE with AICP and Xposed blows away a Note 5 with stock TW in every possible measure, and does it with a removable battery and a 128G SD card in the slot, it's worth the extra $150 over the retail Note 5 price.

That's just my opinion, just because you don't agree has nothing to do with my drug use or lack thereof.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] gcounts:
I can't wait for a stable aosp!!

sent from my "Morom'ed" SM-910V
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] wy1d:
That's part of the drive for the raise in market value of the N4DE - lots of people waited... Have been waiting and nothing. And then, disappointment. There was no S6 DE, there may not be a N5 DE. The features that make a phone dev friendly like pulling battery and using SD for storage are no longer on the radar for Samsung.

The Note line has a strong fan base because of no-compromise hardware and feature set that can be even further enhanced by an unlocked bootloader. Add to that an extremely short supply and the market price is totally understandable.

I got offered $900 for my DE and I turned it down because I literally could not think of a single other phone I would buy with that money that I'd like better or even the same. It really was a home run and could last 1-2 more years of relevancy with AOSP updates and ported N5 ROM.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] gcounts:
I agree. I don't mind the small number of roms we have for DE simply because what we have is excellent. Balla and hsbadr have done amazing work. I ran Mod57 aosp when I first got my DE and would still be on it if not for the unstable data issue. I like tw now that I've gotten used to it. I came from a note2 and ran aosp on it as soon as I learned to live without snote, for me the thought of a note4 with aosp was the original attraction to the DE.

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[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] Jaytronics:
I have to say, if I had the money to purchase a DE Note4. I would love to be associated with this Crack head bandwagon. But I dont. So, I guess, I can not be a Crack head. Not that big of a deal. For a work phone, the Note4 Retail is fine. But, It will never house my personal info. There is no control over it. That is why I rock the Note3 for now. And most likely will for a very long time. If I had to guess, it is looking like a 5 year phone for me. Especially if I can find replacement internal memory chips for it. That way, when the internal ones starts to fail, I will replace it. Yes, I am aware that it would be massively difficult to undertake such an attempt. But Root, removable battery, active stylus and sd card are well worth the effort to me. Same will go for this Note4 if this messed up WP is ever bypassed. And if all else fails, I will just cut the carrier cord if ever Unlimited data is taken away from me. Then I won't have to worry about any devices status. For I will be free of paying phone bills. The only thing keeping me with Verizon is my data. I'm pretty sure I am not loving the massive bill each and every month.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] rayjr13:
Any thoughts on whether note 4 DE will get 6.0 Touchwiz?

And apologies for sparking the ignorance fest of responses. Lot of excellent points wrapped in disgraceful presentation, particularly for this audience.

I already have dislike for Touchwiz so much. Smh

Do any of the AOSP or hybrid Roms have touchwiz esque stylus support?

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[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] cedricl:
My previous phone was a Note 2 with a lot of developer support. If I hadn't worn the phone out by the time the Note 4 came out, I would have gotten the Note 4 DE from the start. When my Note 2 hung up on a customer, I immediately went to a Verizon store and purchased the Note 4 retail. No one buying the used DE phones seem to be hurting for the funds to pay for them, otherwise there would be no market. If the 2015/2016 phones present something new, then the market for DEs may dry up. But I have been using the Note 4 RE for over a year. With software upgrades, I should be able to use the DE or a few years. Just because you think it is dumb, doesn't mean the people making the choice to buy used phones at retail price are making a bad choice. It just like someone who restores a classic car. You could buy a new car cheaper than the classic, but are you getting what you want. The market supports the early DE buyers and now they are in a position to take advantage of the current phone market. I see it as smart investing and a smart choice on their part.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] gcounts:
You can get spen support...look for spen apps in play store. There is an app called spen command, not in the store, but on g+ and is excellent as well. If you haven't tried the aosp roms from mod57 you should! He did an amazing job of porting them for Verizon DE. The problem with the ports was unstable data. Remedy was toggling apn under mobile network.

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[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] droidrev71:
[MENTION=5297338]oneandroidnut[/MENTION], what is a mint dev edition worth? Just curious what your opinion is.. Thanks
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] blubyu87gt:
It's worth the lowest price A seller is willing to take and the highest price buyer is willing to pay. Looking at trends on swappa... The general sale price seems to be about 750.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] stueycaster:
My Note 4 DE is priceless to me. I decided I wasn't going to put up with waiting for a root method to come along so I bought a Developer Edition phone. It messed up my finances for a while but I'm SO glad I did. A Verizon Note 4 DE is the ultimate phone on the network with the best coverage so that makes it very valuable. Now that I have mine I see that it's truly irreplaceable. I'm not even a little bit surprised at a $900 price tag. Knowing what I know about them and the situations that are prevalent, I might actually pay that if I didn't have one already.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] droidrev71:
You're kidding me, right? That's a very obvious scenario on how the phones resale value would or could be. I addressed someone else, plus Swappa doesn't give a sufficient selling history on the dev edition. I'm a trusted seller (I have the trusted sellers badge) so I get how it goes.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] oneandroidnut:
$1,500 :)
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] droidrev71:
Being an ex owner of a dev edition I am very surprised that $900 is even a possibility. To each their own. The phone is perfect except for the shutter speed is to slow. One good thing with the dev edition is that it should hold a decent value for a bit more time.