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[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] WizeGuyDezignz:
He said HD Voice on Lollipop, not KitKat.

On another note (no pun intended), I will have the S6 exactly one month from now. Unless it comes by then, this will be yet another phone that I've owned where I never received a major software update. In fact, I've never owned a phone where I've received a major software update. I've given up on this nonsensical waiting game long ago.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] droe411:
That's the life of a phone junky! The only major update I had was on the 2013 Moto X. Unfortunately in my past I got rid of my phone long before any chance of an update.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] WizeGuyDezignz:
Lol, exactly! Being a phone junkie is fun though! :p
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] TheIgster:
If this is so important to you, then you need to stay with the Nexus line. Updates come often and quick and there is no waiting for carriers. Any phone other than a Nexus, you wait on a carrier and well, we all know how long that takes. I came to the Note 4 from my Nexus 5. I have to say that this is the one thing I have to come to terms with because my Nexus 5 would be getting Lollipop 5.1 pretty quick, while already having 5.0.1 for quite some time on the 5. Now, I'm waiting for Lollipop to even show up on my Note 4.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] WizeGuyDezignz:
I'm actually not complaining, I was just pointing out that I have never received a major software update before. It's because I'm a phone junkie and move on to another device before I get the chance to lol.

But I've tried Nexus devices (including the 6), and I'm not a fan. That's for another thread though.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] keithfrombm:
Nexus 6 marks an end to that day one guarantee. I had to look it up, but i thought Google said carriers could delay. Here's one article on it. http://www.droid-life.com/2014/12/0...-your-carrier-could-affect-timing-on-updates/
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] droe411:
If you want fast updates the best way is to not buy carrier branded devices. Otherwise I don't see a complaint that's valid. There is a way to avoid At&t's headache, buy undbranded.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] omair2005:
A lot of ppl buy on the next program or 2 year subsidized contact..
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] droe411:
I know, as did I. If you hate waiting for upgrades there is an option for you. That is the point I am getting at. If At&t bothers you that much with delays then don't buy their phones. There is always an option, if you want to take it that's up to you.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] TheIgster:
Right, but you could buy a Nexus 6 on a 2 year contract and get updates from Google almost right away.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] DextarRogue:
Honestly, this shouldn't be an issue. We should be able to load this stuff up on our phones straight from Samsung, they should just come with a warning that upgrading to the new OS won't come with support from AT&T. There is zero reason we should have to wait for AT&T on any kind of update. The phone isn't different (except for GSM/CDMA).
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] droe411:
I don't agree, sorry. If you want the right to do what you want you should pony up the money and buy it straight up from Samsung. At&t is giving you a discounted price on the phone, or financing it for 0% interest they are going to make sure their interests are taken care of. No one is making you purchase the phone from At&t for $300 or $37 a month, that is your own personal choice. If I was so worried about updates I would have purchased an unbranded Nexus 6. I purchased a branded At&t Note, so I should expect that they will release the update when they do it.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] DextarRogue:
The discounted price locks you in for their service for two years (unless you pay the ETF) and financing it locks the phone to the AT&T network until the phone is paid off. Their interests ARE taken care of once you're on one of those plans. This has NOTHING to do with AT&T and their interests and honestly it would be beneficial if they either updated first or allowed direct roms from Samsung. That would be another huge selling point for them, "Get the latest version of Android first, only on AT&T.". If you're buying it on a program similar to AT&T next you SHOULD be getting it as "unbranded" or IE: able to load roms directly from Samsung as you're paying the full price of the phone. (Yes, you are getting it for 0% financing but they are making more money from you having service with them than they would with financing the phone) Maybe you're able to do that once it's paid off but I doubt it.

On top of that, I'm not even sure where you can buy a Note 4 directly from Samsung, it's still AT&T branded directly on their page. http://www.samsung.com/us/mobile/cell-phones/SM-N910AZKEATT
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] ChefAnt:
If you go with the next financing, you don't own it until you pay it off. Sooooooo.....
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] keithfrombm:
Ditto
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] droe411:
I just think you get what you pay for. If you pay the discounted At&t price then that's what you get. If you are renting to own with the Next plan then you are playing with their phone till you pay it off. I have a friends who haven't used a branded device in years. There are ways you just have to be willing to pony up the cash.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] dsmarsh:
My mortgage isn't paid off, but the bank sure doesn't tell me how/when I can upgrade and move my furniture around!
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] droe411:
Not a valid comparison . Does your mortgage company provide oxygen service to your house? Your cable service doesn't let you run whatever OS you want for your cable box?
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] keithfrombm:
Do we pay discounted prices, ultimately, though? I think my Note is some $800 by the end of my Next agreement.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] dsmarsh:
You are right. The cable/wireless companies are just out there looking out for their customers and they should be able to control the whole experience from start to finish. Everyone loves these companies because of the decisions they make.

All-in-all it isn't that we believe AT&T or whoever HAVE to put out new OSes for their phones or keep up with the other companies, but if they don't then we should and need to complain. Our response shouldn't be, "oh well, they are the ones that own the experience anyways. I am ok with whatever they choose for me."
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] johnan2112:
Yes. With Next and a mobile share plan, you're paying $15 or $25 for your line (depending on which data tier you're on) instead of $40, which is the cost of a line with a subsidized device.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] borijess:
Go slap your source in the face. Friday and still nothing. :thumbdown:
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] pr0cl1v1ty:
What did my comment say after his post?
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] thanitos:
And as I have said numerous times, my Samsung rep have the att note 4 5.x release of late March, but my source was laughed off by some idiot.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] ekerbuddyeker:
Love the device but this is the Slowest, dullest forum I have ever been on.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] DARKCHYLDX101:
For a limited time Sprint is willing to payoff your lease and contract to make you a customer. A new Note 4 plus unlimited everything will cost you $85 a month. Also that version has lollipop and can be rooted.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] droe411:
How Mich will they offer to pay you to use their bad service?

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No, but you are financing a phone for no interest. That's why I said discounted being that you can buy it for $300 on contract, or finance the phone.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] erick161:
You couldn't pay me to go back to sprint. EVER
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] DARKCHYLDX101:
Sprint Service is that bad?
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] ODSTZ3RO:
Any speculations as to when lollipop will arrive for at&t ugh I just wish carriers would just leave phones alone
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] droe411:
I'm sure they have some areas of good service, but anywhere else........
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] aagvain:
+1

especially if you spend any time outside of a major metro area
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] imnoob55:
According to this thread the speculation started 21 October 2014. My guess it will occur between then and 21 October 2015.

On a more serious note, no not really. There's lots of speculation sites that will rehash the same story every 5 days in a newly written article but unless AT&T says something official I wouldn't stress about this. To the videos of a Note 4 running lollipop... the changes are not that dramatic at all. There appears to be more of an reason to avoid upgrading to Android L at this time.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] nyydynasty:
OMG, its the worst (at least in this area anyway). You can't pay me to use their service.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] muppetmaster916:
^what he said, avoid upgrading for awhile anyway.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] Venom0642:
Don't count on it yet is like i said a few post behind you will not see Lollipop till SG6 is in stores, also looks to me we might have to wait a bit longer when SG6 is out , rumors for AT&T Lollipop we will be getting the themes like SG6 has , so for now enjoy KitKat.

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[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] ODSTZ3RO:
Ugh I really need to be able to write to my external SD I wish root was achieved for at&t already
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] ReggieSmith:
I was going to do that very thing on Friday but he is out of office til Monday, so I'll have to wait for that too. :cool:
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] NYYFan02:
My wife bought an LG G3 today, it updated to Lollipop as soon as we got home, I was jealous. I was even more jealous when i started using the phone and realized it's quicker and more responsive than my Note 4. Oh TouchWhiz...
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] Venom0642:
Now if you look at the LG G3 doesn't show any lollipop change tho looks the same which on the Samsung and Nexus and a few other phones that got lollipop you can see lot's of changes tho.

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[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] Jmelendez1:
The G3 can be rooted too.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] Venom0642:
Yes i know i have a rom on the LG G3 AT&T thread made by me Deadly Venom ?

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[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] Jmelendez1:
I admit I too owned a G3 but turned it over to my mother in law. I used her upgrade to get my Note 4. ?
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] NYYFan02:
I'm looking into rooting her phone right now, she's getting annoyed that i won't stop playing with her phone. Maybe I'll if she wants to trade lol.

Edit: Looks like I shouldn't have upgraded her phone to Lollipop yet..
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] lingo2012:
I used that rom it was a great rom, glad to see you here.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] soraxd:
lol I just realized this thread was started half a year ago... "lollipop soon" let's see if we get it before the s6 does..
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] ReggieSmith:
Turned my G3 over to my daughter. She doesn't really care about lollipop, just knows I want it on my phone so she picks at me..
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] Venom0642:
What do you mean get Lollipop before S6? S6 already comes with lollipop ??

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[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] boufa:
What he means is that he doesn't know anything more than any single other person on this thread or any other thread. We will get it when AT&T decides to release it. Hopefully the additional wait will be worth it, but who knows. I also love the people who complain that AT&T are dragging their feet and need to hurry up... then add that they won't be doing the upgrade because they heard that there are issues with Lollipop.

Personally, I wouldn't mind if we ended up with 5.1 in late April, and they skipped the 5.0's all together. Of course there is nearly zero chance of that, but I can dream.

(*Note: what he meant was that he doesn't think that the Lollipop upgrade for the Note 4 will come out prior to the release of the S6 device... earlier he had some marketing theory on why not. The reality is that the number of new Note 4 owners who will jump ship to an S6 after only 6 months is extremely small.... so small as to not even be statistically relevant, a very vocal few will make the change... but not very many)
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] nkd:
You realize what I meant. 5.1 has native hd voice support so they don't have to waste resources. Look at what motorola recently said about droid turbo. They didn't wanna waste resources because 5.1 has native support. May be samsung decided to wait or may be at&t said they want 5.1 since it has less bugs and native hd voice support. I really doubt any other hold back since samsung hasn't had any trouble pushing lollipop to other carriers.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] Jspex:
I would educate a guess that att and the rest of the carriers are dragging the rollout due to ART. I know personally when I switched to art a bunch of bloat and samsung specific apps stopped working. They have to rewrite each of those awful att apps to run right on art. That coupled with atts contract with the government and that extends the testing phase even longer for this (and other samsung devices ) device.

5+ will happen when it does. Right now anyone on a note 4 forum should be more concerned with rooting progress on 4.4.4 than a 5+ rollout. It's taken the devs here this long to come close to root on 4.4.4. It will be even longer (potentially ) for root on 5+.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] omair2005:
ATT LG G3 has lollipop already so I'm thinking they have already rewritten the apps for ART? I thought it was a hold up on VR kernel integration, or maybe they are going to roll 5.1 instead? Who knows, but its really frustrating to see a flagship phone not getting timely updates..
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] borijess:
Yeah its disappointing that our phone is lagging.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] Jacobh25:
I'm right there with you. The root progress looks promising though. No need to block OTA updates because at this rate we will have root before we ever get lollipop.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] COA4178:
Lol I'll laugh if root is found before the ota update haha then I'll have to laugh at att bc theyll have to put their "update" on the place where there is no sun. Lol
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] DARKCHYLDX101:
5.1 for Nexus is arriving soon. Wonder if the new bug fixes is slowing things down. I know the Gear vr has. They had to make kernel changes for that software to work. They could be putting the extra effort to make sure the bootloader is locked down too.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] boufa:
There is now yet another version of 5.0 for the Note 4 in Europe. The netherlands I believe... so how fractured is the Note 4 software? What will we get? Maybe a build on 5.1 (doubt it)... what base do we thing that AT&T is going to screw with...
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] KennyG123:
Thread cleaned

It seems some people subscribed to this thread actually expecting news regarding the update

As stated earlier, some joking around is great for the morale...but 5 pages of it..almost 100 posts is too much.

Please try to remain on topic for the serious folks out there.

I like to recommend a thread in Off-Topic section, or we can create an OT lounge here if needed for the comic relief

Thanks for your understanding

Friendly Neighborhood Senior-Mod
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] v3ngence:
I believe with AT&T's current level of feet-dragging, the only sane response is outrage.

It's not like it's just us:

http://www.techtimes.com/articles/4...alaxy-s5-s4-note-4-htc-one-m8-m7-and-more.htm
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] borijess:
This is a real shame.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] Venom0642:
It's like i mentioned a few post back , AT&T ain't gonna release Lollipop not yet , they will first wait on there SG6 is in there stores, then here's what i am thinking AT&T will do after SG6 is in stores will skip Lollipop 5.0 and give us 5.1 lollipop, it's the way AT&T usually does this.

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[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] COA4178:
Quoting a paragraph on the article. This is an outrage.

"Also not happy are AT&T customers, who are tired of watching the same devices they own receive 5.0 Lollipop updates on other networks while they stay stuck on Kit Kat. If AT&T gains a permanent reputation as lagging on significant OS updates, it could dissuade some customers from continuing to use them as a carrier. Already, forums and message boards are teeming with irate customers slagging off the carrier and threatening to switch to one of its timelier competitors."
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] boufa:
Shame is there is little any of us can do about it... and they know it. Few of us paid outright for our phones, and even those of us on Next have to pay off our current device before I could start to invest in another one. Then in my case, I have off setting contracts, so it would be difficult to leave without paying at least some sort of ETF or having to break up a family plan and paying 2 bills. (yea, I know about sprints offer, but its sprint)

If they would announce that they have decided to skip 5, and go to 5.1 then I would be o.k. waiting. The issue is that they will come out with 5.0.2 long after 5.1 (and a likely tweak to it) is released. We need to find a way to push the carriers out of the middle.

Technical question for those in the know and those who like to think they know it all.... How much work would it take to stop tweaking 5.0.2, and change gears to at&t ifying 5.1 instead. Do they even have a chance, or is it a complete re-do, and starting over?
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] borijess:
Then they will announce they are fore going 5.1 for 6.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] v3ngence:
I agree, skipping a version to work "harder" on the more recent version doesn't make sense to me. Every carrier found out about the new version at the same time, so AT&T has just the same amount of time to work on it. It's not like they're spending time now working on a version that hasn't been released yet.

I think our best hope is that they purposefully aren't even bothering with this version, if they are actually trying to get an update out this would just be sad. If they aren't working on it, than they are taking their customers for granted which also sucks, but maybe they'll be shamed into releasing an update one day...
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] DARKCHYLDX101:
Att Note 4 Lollipop Imminent?

http://www.techtimes.com/articles/4...version-rolls-out-us-ota-release-reported.htm

http://autoomobile.com/news/lollipop-update-ready-for-att-samsung-galaxy-note-4/10017489/
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] borijess:
Lol.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] thanitos:
I don't have any new info to add on release speculation , our last Sammy rep said late march, this is march right?, anyways, the "regional manager", for sammy, was in our store today and me being the man I am, said hello, any word on 5.x for att note 4, he seemed to have no clue what I meant, but he did say samsung asked their reps not to take 5.0 until it is fixed, it had bugs as we all know, anyways I still feel it will be late march, ik it's almost April, but it may be that 5.0 had more issues than google lead on to belive, granted even though I work for att I am with you guys to an extent, let's get this update pushed out, but as a very limited programmer I also know I wouldn't want to release something broken, so...****/start sarcasm;***** Tim and Jim, the att coding team, need to put down the heroes of the storm beta and pick up a few phones for 5.x....*********/end sarcasm;*********
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] bickfordman:
Just saw a tweet from pocketnow

Pocketnow (@Pocketnow) tweeted at 3:12 AM on Tue, Mar 24, 2015:

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[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] boufa:
All of these articles are just repeating the same questionable source. The biggest issue is the insistence that SoftCard will be included. SoftCard is going away, soon, so any site willing to post that it will be included sounds uninformed to me. Sure it might, but I highly doubt it. It would take very little for AT&T (part of the decision to eliminate softcard) to remove it from the released version.

I hope they are right, and soon is the wait... but I am doubting that these "sources" know either way.

UPDATE: Don't I sound like an idiot.... apparently the update is rolling out. Shows what I know.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] flaystus:
I'm updating!

Its happening!
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] mastaofdacat:
Um guys n gals ....ITS HERE !
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] Venom0642:
Yup here it is

Ignore the Wed March 25 i changed time zone and date so didn't have to wait for update lol!

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[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] hrkahn:
this is going to take forever... either way I'm psyched
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] bickfordman:
Told you
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] Venom0642:
Yeah Big Update!
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] dave30534:
Im at work with a 60mbps download speed :)
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] flaystus:
I seem to be stuck "Processing" I have a feeling if I force a reboot I'll get the "no updates at this time check again in 24 hours!" uggg
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] boufa:
I happily (hopefully) stand corrected...

(Though I still question the inclusion of SoftCard.... but I guess when it finally finishes downloading in about 2 hours, We will find out)

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12%... and slowly counting. The download is taking almost as long as it took AT&T to release it.

Thank god for rapid charge, because the 12% download has taken 5% of my battery.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] hrkahn:
Is everyone going to factory reset? I heard the phone doesn't run well unless you factory reset it after the update. .........passing time, long download.........
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] Venom0642:
Wonders if it's Lollipop 5.0.1 guess i will find out soon!
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] Randomlord:
I'll be surprised if it is!

I've got 100MB fiber internet at work and this is got to be the slowest download I've ever seen!
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] boufa:
The recommendation from others on another site is to ....

" install, update all apps, cache wipe, reboot two more times."

Sounds like you only get 1 change at doing this right, short of a factory reset, so I am going to do it. Can't hurt.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] corbin dallas:
Downloading update now, will update in 5 minutes about version.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] Venom0642:
More or less like 5 hrs lol i am at 72% now!:p
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] hrkahn:
wow, jealous. After an hour and a half I'm at 50%
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] Jennygirl:
Nice. Messages looks waaaay better with material. Can't wait.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] yellowfddriver:
I've seen the s5 leaks running some sort of Lollipop build. However, I remember reading somewhere that Samsung isn't currently using the most up-to-date build as their base yet? However, the claims that they want Lollipop on the s5 before the new year AND the note4 Lollipop teaser image makes me hopeful. I think last year, the Note 3 received Kitkat in Feb (on ATT). HTC has made claims that Lollipop will be on devices within 90 days and Motorola has an insane turnaround (because they don't really tweak android THAT much). Hoping this gets Sammie to release Lollipop that much quicker. Maybe ATT will debloat and stop disabling features. Also, maybe pigs could fly (or I'll actually be able to order a Nexus 6).

Still hoping though!
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] ShrekOpher:
Google releasing the preview builds of Android 5.0 should make the roll outs for all device much faster. You have to think that Samsung has been working on these updates since at least July. It makes me think this device could see an update sooner rather than later.