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[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 Android Development] megalomanic14:
No worries man lol...tbh right now with so much up in the air...regarding the boot, Knox in the source kernel and system, selinux, and secure storage...any one of these factors could block the downgrade...which wouldn't normally be as major a deal but lollipop is somewhat decisive in that people are either really into or really dislike it...mixed with no functional mods or add ons...gonna make a lot of unhappy people on one side or the other...those wanting to just try it out and come back but can't...and those who waited for months upgraded and are now stuck....I just hope we can figure out a way around it somehow

Mega
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 Android Development] lazer9:
Update: A "little birdy" just told me that a T-Mobile w/ Wi-Fi calling feature may very well be obtainable with staying w/ the ANK4 bootloader.

I can't link to OR directly point anyone there due to restrictions put in place regarding external linking to their site from here @ xda unfortunately.

Let's just say, I heard an echo :fingers-crossed:
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 Android Development] megalomanic14:
Lmfao strait boss mode hahaha...yea man the real downside is that we still have no even expectation that any of the mods and stuff will carry over...which in terms of rom users...makes this one way ticket all the more a terrible decision...as even the best running build gets boring looking after a while...and that's really where I'm torn...I'm not nearly as critical of lp as I was trying to knock the hype down...but I can't imagine giving up fk or xposed permanently with no hope of replacing that customization functionality

Mega
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 Android Development] megalomanic14:
The only way I could think to do it...would be to try an port the system ui from tmo and peripheral apn files and then try to enable the baseband/system interlink...but lol that's def gonna be tricky to say the least haha

Mega
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 Android Development] lazer9:
Let's just say from my "brief" research and observation, it may involve a "Custom" Kernel. Again, I am not 100% sure of this but the information I found seems to indicate that.
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 Android Development] megalomanic14:
No worries man...it def would need a kernel...that will be necessary for all lp builds running on kk boot...and a ton of other mods lol Just thinking off hand how you would even attempt it...it'd gonna have to be at least tried if this turns out to be true for us

Mega

This whole situation sucks lol
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 Android Development] Misterjunky:
re: SM-N910H

Read these specs carefully before you buy that phone:

http://www.devicespecifications.com/en/model/cacc2e00

That phone is an international note 4 which means no LTE, no Volte and no wifi calling.

It will not work on the USA ATT and Tmobile's LTE bands.

(you will only have the Tmobile/ATT 3G and GSM bands to work with).

Also you will not be able to flash any ATT or Tmobile custom roms

because the phone has the Exynos cpu .

Good luck!
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 Android Development] twe90kid:
Wait huh?

Sorry a little late to the crowd. Are you saying if you got the over-the-air update through Tmobile, your screwed?

I flashed Lollipop custom rom and didn't have a problem coming back to Kitkat.
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 Android Development] Thee_illuminati:
Yeah. I did my research and I'm not getting it...

On the other hand...I'm still buying a 910t soon and selling this one. Don't wanna go through the hassle of waiting 2 weeks to get my charging port repaired
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 Android Development] RaymondPJR:
Wouldn't a stock, rooted, flashable version work? Isn't that what TEKHD released? NVM, I'll look back a few pages.
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 Android Development] lazer9:
Make sure they are not including the new COD6 Bootloader! That is the key at this point.
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 Android Development] RaymondPJR:
Yeah, that's what I was thinking! Surely he wouldn't release a version with the new bootloader. We went through this same scenario going from KK 4.2 to 4.3, didn't we?
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 Android Development] lazer9:
I can confirm I went through same dismay when with another carrier and I believe that is correct, the KK update.

That one actually killed root, recovery, and Rom'ing for me.

SafeStrap saved the day somewhat in the end. :cool:
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 Android Development] megalomanic14:
Excellent...no I was only saying if that is true as lazer and I were going off other previous feedback...as there were people apparently having issues with the stock lollipop update then downgrading back...what method did you use so the others can use it? thanks for the feedback this is what we need

Oh custom rom isn't the issue as the tmo bootloader seems to be the hold up...the full stock build is the issue...unless you flashed the ota and downgraded back?

Mega
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 Android Development] megalomanic14:
Yea I have a few Intl lte devices...my mega and n12...the issue is none of the carrier lte bands work only 3g like junky was saying...so you either pick the ability to downgrade back to kk and get updates sooner no carrier bloat etc...and having the option of the exynos if you go for the 910h or 910f snapdragon... or you pick functional carrier lte...that's the unfortunate trade off when ordering an intl device that I made a few times knowingly...but for a main daily driver man hspa just doesn't cut it lol

Mega
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 Android Development] grantusmantus:
I'm sure someone will get the bug to try and revert before I do but just in case.... I used Odin and installed lollipop. Rooted with CF Root. Flashed twrp. No problems....if there was an issue with the bootloader wouldn't I have had issues when trying to install the twrp .tar?...and yes you can call me 10 kinds of dumb@$$ if you want. I knew (mostly) what I was getting into. There was a 50/50 chance I couldn't revert to KK. Such is the price of progress I guess. Btw...lollipop doesn't look any different. It's a bit snappier. Haven't encountered any lag.even when hitting the recents button. So far I'm not kicking myself. I'm gonna run for a few days and see how it evens out....then I may...I MIGHT try and revert back to KK with Odin.
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 Android Development] RaymondPJR:
I did look and it seems he has two versions, one that doesn't flash Loli firmware, and one that does.
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 Android Development] twe90kid:
Nah I went from your Kitkat rom to TEKX then back to your rom. Basically all flashed through custom recovery. Phone did not touch new bootloader.

Now i'm thinking of updating my MODEM to the new one. You think that would be a problem?
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 Android Development] megalomanic14:
Yea it can cause issues when trying to flash the recovery...but biff had a pretty good head start on twrp...the real issue is the downgrade bit...as that's def gonna be a huge issue for a lot of people that didn't realize what they were getting into I'm guessing

Mega
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 Android Development] megalomanic14:
Ok I'm not familiar with that I'm guessing it's just a rom? Yea there's tmo users running the lollipop test builds for me on top of kk boot that have come back to fk without issue....this can be done and will prolly end up being how most tmo users choose to run lollipop...with a kernel ect if it's true there's no downgrade which seems to be looking the case

Idk if it'll be a problem it shouldn't be...but I also don't know if you'll see any benefit by doing so

Mega
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 Android Development] lazer9:
Regarding my mention of Safestrap, that was back on my former Galaxy S4 and different carrier. They purposely locked us down.. Or rather attempted to. Safestrap became our only option to install a Rom, but we had to stick with stock kernel from then onwards.

Modem only is fine.

You are safe as long as bootloader didn't update to what we are discussing.

Hrmm, I wonder if a person in said circumstance could Odin back to previous bootloader... :what:
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 Android Development] MC FLMJ1G:
The only way that would be an issue is if they update the bootloader.
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 Android Development] megalomanic14:
Odin the previous boot is how Sprint n4 downgraded...

Mega
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 Android Development] megalomanic14:
Right that's the issue right now...long as you don't update boot your fine...if you mean the baseband nah it's not a problem...just never saw a benefit in doing it...I've never had a significant change baseband to baseband

Mega
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 Android Development] lazer9:
That's potentially a bit of good news then for folks who held out for the T-Mobile official and want to restore a kitkat Nandroid... Let's hope ;):sly:
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 Android Development] megalomanic14:
For sure...but it's a bit of a catch 22...I could never ask anyone to do it...the only non recoverable hard brick I've ever seen was from attempting a downgrade on a patched att boot...that is probably the last ditch chance we have realistically tho

Mega
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 Android Development] grantusmantus:
All this talk of downgrading has me VERY CURIOUS. resisting the itch!

Sent from my Lolligagged Note 4
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 Android Development] megalomanic14:
Lmao true tinkerer...In theory Odin flashing the lollipop base should sort any issues that could arrive but there's always that risk...I'm just saying I can't ask anyone to start tampering with the boot man it's sketchy an we have very little info...but I know the feeling lol no worries there haha

Mega
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 Android Development] mcdavid:
long time no see Mega. I'm on COD6. Just a heads up. An interesting thing I've figured out is that it doesn't appear to be possible to get SELinux mode to permissive (even though the SELinux mode changer app says it is) on stock kernel. I thought it was a KNOX issue. But, I flashed a COD6 zip that is supposed to have KNOX removed. Even on that, I can't get permissive mode working. This was NOT a problem on Canadian TW LP.

Your thoughts?
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 Android Development] megalomanic14:
Here you go fellas I've been working on a new widget...this is a totally different take on things...added the music player links and gallery hot keys...enjoy

Mega

FireKat Custom Gallery Music x1

As for the issues and controversy around the update...lets let it breathe for a few days..gather some info and see what our options are...hopefully we can figure something out...as the end goal and plan has always been to have both fk and lollipop builds live and running giving us the option to roll either way...let's just see how things progress and we can hopefully figure out something to get you guys on a lp build that are waiting on it
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 Android Development] denson9874:
I feel you on that all the way. It's almost like a bird in the hand situation, either take the chance and regret it, or keep what's working and know that what you have works. If I knew how to build roms I would definitely use my wife's phone as a guinea pig for the advancement of the rom, but I am but a flashaholic. FK will and always will be my default, hands down the best thing running.
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 Android Development] megalomanic14:
Yea man...that would make sense if the bootloader and kernel were running this secure system...the problem with Knox is that it's not a "dumb box" vault style system...it's more like a vault with trip wires connected to every door...the issue is if tmo implemented the md5 and selinux matching system across the boot kernel and system you'll see issues like selinux being set to enforce ...just as the issue were seeing with not being able to restore an older system onto a newer boot which is typically the case...so it seems like tmo went just shy of locking the boot...and actually implemented a bunch lf the stuff I had been warning people about being a worst case scenario...gawd I really hope I'm wrong still as I honestly thought it would only warn people to prepare never expected tmo to go this far without warning...

Mega
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 Android Development] bournefusion:
I sure am glad you guys are around. I had pulled down the stock COD6 rooted/deodexed/no knox rom along with the new COD6 base/modem for flashing via Odin, and just before I started to do it, I thought....I could be really screwed here. I'll check on Mega's thread, so I can see if I can go back if I need to. Mega and all you other experienced guys (more experienced than me) saved me from making a mistake lol. Cheers to all.
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 Android Development] RaymondPJR:
I remember reading about Safestrap, but I don't think it was needed for TMO. In any case I just waited until the devs released a flashable version without the new bootloader. Always nice to just play it safe and wait. If xposed was working I'd try TEKHD's version just to see what all the fuss is about but I don't see any reason to since it's not.
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 Android Development] megalomanic14:
Thanks a lot man I def appreciate that man...I wouldn't do it either...not at this point there's just too little info...but that's essentially dead on...if Odin downboot fails then it's gonna be a tough choice for a lot of people...really hard to give up fk imo...essentially worry free with all working mods themes ext...for a stock build even if it turns out as like fk it's still somewhat restrictive it's a really tough call

Mega
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 Android Development] megalomanic14:
Oh awesome dude I'm def glad it came up clutch lol...Def glad lazer posted about it and we could get the ball rolling on it...as that is a huge game changer for everyone that's enjoyed kk to lose the option of coming back

Mega
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 Android Development] denson9874:
Imo I think you won't be frowned upon with sticking with your guns, it for the greater good to keep on with FK until a possible workaround or more info is obtained
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 Android Development] megalomanic14:
Safestrap is what we use for locked bootloader...hash basically takes a partition on the storage and flashes a new recovery and system to it...essentially it's a work around for recovery running in the booted system level flashing to a fake virtual partition on the internal storage...amazing to have but I despise having to use it...single scariest flashing experience ever...everytime I do it lol

People are running the lollipop test builds of Canadian n4 on kk boot if you want to try one...I haven't even tried it myself yet but they apparently run fine if you ever want to try one lol

Mega
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 Android Development] siggystyle:
This is why I had to get some additional info, as I had only seen a VERY few mentions of this, and thought there would be much more chatter about it, so that at the very least users would be informed on the consequences of their choices to update (I mean, unless they were willing to sacrifice their current ROMs for the update)... Since there was so little talk about it, I thought that maybe I misunderstood, or it didn't pertain to a broad group of users (maybe just certain ROMs/Carriers/etc...), but I gues this seems to be the case - as of now - for the TMOUS peeps (using the Official Update)?? Thank you for the information/warning...
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 Android Development] bournefusion:
Yeah, bro. I used to flash constantly, and then came to your FK rom and settled there since it's far and away the best option. With work, I fell out of the loop and haven't done much but keep up with your latest version. I would be really mad if I couldn't go back to FK if I don't like Lollipop. I'm not sure that I will, so I'm glad you guys were more on top of it than I was. Thanks to Lazer too, then. :)
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 Android Development] megalomanic14:
I still plan on doing the lollipop builds as they're almost ready for v1...I will probably delay them a little until more info is known ect....the issue is how they get rolled out now...it's gonna be a huge disclaimer that once you go there's no coming back unless you run the work around style with a kernel/csc change...I'm not opposed to releasing the builds my thing is I don't want to add incentives to updating if people aren't fully aware what they're getting into...I've always made the roms to make people's experience as good as possible and the last thing I want my roms to do is ruin someone's experience by trapping them on lp

Mega
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 Android Development] RaymondPJR:
No thanx! I'd rather wait on your official TMO tweaked version with KK bootloader! Without xposed working I can try just try out Lolli then go right back.
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 Android Development] megalomanic14:
Yea same...I'm just gonna play it by ear and see how things progress...well need a custom kernel to boot lollipop system on kk...but there's already some models for that and shouldn't be too bad long as its possible given the situation lol... but that's the trap right there man...most people were expecting to just try it and see if they like it...now if they did they're screwed which is a total bummer esp after the newness of what few changes to the look wears off...tmo sucks lol

Mega
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 Android Development] grantusmantus:
Any chance your still gonna do stock lollipop builds for us that already went to the dark side Mega? ......still resisting the itch to try a revert.bahaha
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 Android Development] RaymondPJR:
Ya see, there you go! I thought flashing a version that didn't include the new firmware was enough! That's why I always read and wait 'cause I know I don't understand it all!
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 Android Development] megalomanic14:
For sure man....all normal plans will proceed as usual...the variants and all stock builds for people on lp...then I'll make some attempt to mod it if possible for people to run with a kernel over kk...then keep fk live as well lol

Mega
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 Android Development] AlkaliV2:
So what's the deal here: no one has tried to Odin downgrade back to NK4 with their device since updating to Lollipop? Or will an Odin flash not overwrite the bootloader?

If you just need someone to prove it one way or another I'd be happy to do it. I'm already rooted, but you all are correct that we can't switch to permissive mode with the SELinuxModeChanger software.
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 Android Development] HAVOK83:
I made the mistake of updating to lollipop now no xposed going to have to go cm12 route for now because I want xposed
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 Android Development] megalomanic14:
Right...as of now I've only heard of people attempting the twrp restore of a 4.4.4 build on the new boot with no luck...i know starkey odin his sprint n4 to the previous kk boot with no issues....so it's the last feasible option but given the intricacies of the boot and risk of odin over what appears almost to be a locked boot....i haven't heard the feedback nor would I ever ask anyone to do it

Mega
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 Android Development] megalomanic14:
Yea and even that apparently is really buggy and messed up....just be cautious...it's xposed alpha build...but yea that's your only option unfortunately for Xposed is running cm without touchwiz benefits...the whole situation around the update has become a mess imo

Mega
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 Android Development] AlkaliV2:
Game on. Current phone information attached below. Be back in 10 minutes.

Edit: [MENTION=5451734]megalomanic14[/MENTION] Successful downgrade to NK4 including bootloader. Photo attached.
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 Android Development] megalomanic14:
Lol ok awesome...just keep the lollipop stock tar on hand...if you get a boot loop or no boot...just re odin the update that should restore it incase [emoji106] ...def fingers crossed lol

Mega
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 Android Development] RaymondPJR:
Yay!
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 Android Development] megalomanic14:
Here's a heads up...a sort of snapshot of where were at in terms of the builds...the v1 builds for tmo and Canadian lollipop running the stock 5.x base are almost ready...i updated my tool chain and got a majority if the build done last night already....about to work on it some more and probably finish the first tmo test v1 tonight....once I have the proper info about downgrading I'll be able to test the tmo one myself as odin downgrade works from lollipop to ank4 via odin....so really it's just a matter of being able to test and refine these intial builds....now the goal is just to make as smooth a transition for people as possible....and inform everyone about the situation so they can make the best decision for their n4...as of now plans for builds are as follows ...

Continued updating if possible...and continued support of fk v11x...on...

Lollipop builds for people who odin/ota stock lollipop base...for

Tmo

Canadian

Sprint

Vz Dev

Intl N4F

No modded builds are necessary as Alki just confirmed odin ank4 will downgrade your boot and system to kk allowing us to update with Odin and return to fk with odin...no downgrading the system alone with twrp only full base restores will work...excellent news...the builds will all go live by Friday as planned....possibly earlier depending how good this v1 turns out when I flash it later on lol...

Mega
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 Android Development] AlkaliV2:
I edited my original post so you can reference a single post if anyone asks if downgrading it possible. It works with the full NK4 Firmware. I had forgotten that I installed TWRP 2.8.6.0, but it didn't matter to Odin at all. I hope this helps alleviate concerns.

Now if T-Mo had locked our bootloader, I would've had a tantrum. This just means that someone who wants to downgrade has to do a full downgrade before running Kit-Kat ROMs and probably restoring KK backups.

...now I have to reload Lollipop. And learn about infinite series. I have got to stop cruising these forums when I have homework.
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 Android Development] megalomanic14:
OK awesome dude much appreciated and makes all the difference lmao [emoji106]

Mega
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 Android Development] megalomanic14:
Yea now it's just a matter of testing this v1 test build I'm about to zip up and refining it as close to v11x as possible before pushing it out...makes things hella strait forward now...odin up odin down

Mega
[T-Mobile Galaxy Note 4 Android Development] grantusmantus:
Odin up, odin down. Odin Odin odin.glad I've gotten used to using it to clean flash roms. This isn't even a problem in my opinion, as I've learned(along with a few others out there)...Odin'ing back to base is really the only way to clean flash anything on this phone.

Sent from my Lolligagged Note 4.

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By the way [MENTION=524264]MEGA.[/MENTION] I think your gonna like the responsiveness of lollipop. Running stock tmo, is like running FK v11x. Super snappy, no lag. I think this phone was MADE for lollipop. I'm beyond stoked for your optimized version 1of lolli. With what you did with FK...lolli is gonna be amazeballs.