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[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] rayjr13:
Flaw in that logic is equating wants with needs. Ferrari's aren't exploitative because you don't need one. You don't have to have a Note 4DE, some here would differ clearly, because there are budget phones for those who can't shouldn't or won't afford a luxury we might all desire. Correct a $40 loaf of bread isn't sustainable, but Bugatti hasn't gone out of business yet. Apples and oranges my friend. Supplying what people demand is not exploiting what what people need. Evidenced by the auction style prices. Who is possibly doing any exploiting? Price gets set below 500 whose fault is it it sold over 1000?
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] Neo3D:
Umm, this is not even in the same ball park as those two. I don't even know why you brought those two into this? They aren't even in the same universe as this. That is a REALLY STUPID comparison.

But, there's nothing wrong with you charging more than retail. This happened with iphones in the past. High end smart phones aren't like cancer treatment pills. So, charge whatever the market will bear.

It's great to see an Android phone appreciate in value since this is something that usually only happens with iphones. But, the reason for this is simple. The Note 5 lost removable battery and storage. So, even if Samsung comes out with a Verizon DE version of the Note 5, no developer would want it because those are power features and developers are power users. It'd be like trying to sell an Indy car to an Indy racer that has an automatic instead of manual transmission.

However, if the price is too high then developers or people wanting a rootable Verizon phone might try looking for other choices like a Nexus, LG, Sony, HTC or Moto.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] blubyu87gt:
I got a chance to use the V10 for a while yesterday and I think the Note line will have a good run for its money. Especially for those who like high-fidelity audio.

Hopefully it gets root access. Honestly, just in the days use, I could see myself being okay without it though.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] rayjr13:
Wasn't a comparison. I was saying you can call it/me whatever you want, and satirically referenced those and the rest as extremes/otherwise of exploitation (exaggeration), but this is

not

exploitation. Your comment further reinforces what I mean. Those are exploitations, and have no similarity to selling a Note 4DE whatsoever; not in the same ball park, league or sport. They don't come close to comparing. So exploitation is completely inappropriate description for what/how this smartphone affects us. or the non developer community.

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I saw the commercial yesterday and i really does "look" a good phone. I was wondering recently if my next phone might be an LG after the last few Nexus phones. I've always been a HTC sense fan on the UI side and just loath Touchwiz to the point that I see why people like stock and stock-ish (moto) by comparison. What did you think of the LG UI? Probably hard to get a feel fro real world use in the store or for a few minutes, but was wondering your impressions.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] blubyu87gt:
I was using it for a good 3 or 4 hours. Granted that is not a huge amount of time. I didn't have any real issues stand out. I still have it available if there are specific things you want to see with the UI. The only thing that bugged me, and this is nit-picky, was the use of pastel colors within the UI. I admittedly didn't look or try to see if it could be changed though. The Note 4 bugged me on this aspect as well (like the dehydrated piss yellow text message banner).

The second screen is actually really functional and I enjoyed that feature. It is taller then the note 4 which could be an issue to some people. The overall build quality is very good. I will definitely be buying one when they come out.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] dacapho:
$810....https://swappa.com/listing/IXY926/view

Sent from my XT1060
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] rayjr13:
Yea someone at Sammy is either a bit flamboyant or just red-green color blind.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] rickyray9:
My Note 4 DE sold on ebay for $950. I didn't exploit anybody, I just put it up there with a starting bid of $400 and the market handled the rest.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] plainbum:
What will yu net after all ebay and PayPal costs?
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] rickyray9:
I netted $923.12 after ebay and paypal because I used a "Sell any phone for $5" promotion
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] rayjr13:
Sold about the same
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] GreenGoblin227:
Got the wife a galaxy s6 edge. 50 bucks at target. She was an iPhone believer. Note 5 is free. 2 year agreement. None of this Verizon lease crap.

Still rocking the 4DE
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] Telemachus:
The v10 will be a logical next-next-gen for many of us, assuming bootloader can be unlocked.

I am yet to see an exhaustive list of EVERYTHING the note 5 lacks.

Here is mine:

1 and 2) removable battery and SD, obviously.

3) DE, root

4) IR blaster (seriously, why?)

5) MHL and video out (seriously, why??)

6) USB otg (Seriously, why???)

7) a fan base.

I actually have a note 5, so all of this is from personal experience. As for 6) USB-otg thumb drives tend to work but try a keyboard and mouse!

although I haven't tested it yet, I would imagine the note 5 also dropped the low latency, high quality audio features that made the note for usable with MIDI and guitars/mics. I have heard of very few people ever using this feature.

what do you think they did with all the leftover developers additions that were still in warehouses?
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] rayjr13:
I'm sure there aren't any or at least that's what I tell myself.

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Got the wife Turbo2, guess for obvious reasons
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] JustSomeRandomGuy:
Work has demanded that everyone be on iPhones so unfortunately my Note 4 Developers Edition is now redundant. What's the best way to wipe the phone so I can sell it? Would I simply do a factory reset? I don't want to somehow lock it. My phone is still on KitKat if that matters.

I'm seeing all sorts of prices for these now that Samsung has discontinued it. What's a fair price for one in unscratched condition? I'd include the Qi backplate and a spare battery with the spare charging system thing. I've never used Swappa before but I'll probably give that a try.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] minionhunter:
I sent you a PM. I'm interested. Non-lowball, want to go through Swappa for both our protection.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] KennyG123:
Not to mention there is absolutely no selling/buying/trading on XDA

Thank you for your cooperation

Friendly Neighborhood Senior-Mod
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] blubyu87gt:
I was using secure wipe for a while. It's a free app on the market and seems to work. Now I use iShredder 3 Pro since it has a lot more options and such on it.

How I would/do the wipes on my phone:

Run the iShredder app (7 cycle NATO).

Factory reset phone.

Return phone to completely stock using Odin

Install shredder and run 7 cycle again.

That should make sure there is nothing left on the device that can be recovered. To check it I've dumped then converted the device memory into a VHD to scan it. Nothings been recoverable in the past.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] dacapho:
$860...https://swappa.com/listing/KNB650/view

Sent from my XT1060
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] FAUguy:
I had hoped that the LG V10 would be able to unlock the bootloader and root, but the Verizon model is locked up. Only the T-Mobile version can you unlock the bootloader. So it looks like the Note 4 DE is still the best phone on Verizon that can be rooted, other than the Moto X Pure.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] christiebunny:
Well, since there's no way I can afford a DE, I guess I'll have to look into the moto X pure, or live with this aging Note 2 :/
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] plainbum:
Yo

u might look into Note 3's.

I heard that they are rootable and a pretty nice upgrade from a note 2!
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] fallingup:
$610 for mine if there are any takers!

https://swappa.com/listing/IXY926/view

Edit: Updated with the new price
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] plainbum:
Bought it, thanks man can't wait to see her!
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] GreenGoblin227:
550 is a steal. 0
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] dacapho:
$740...https://swappa.com/listing/DRC653/view

Sent from my XT1060
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] plainbum:
I'm seeing a mass exodus from the Note 4 Dev Ed bùlding lately.

Why?

What are you buying to replace it?
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] JustSomeRandomGuy:
My work decided that we all need to be on iPhones. I hate it, but I'm not going to be carrying two devices. So I might as well get it to someone who wants it.

I really prefered it to to the iPhone. :(
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] stueycaster:
That sucks. I expect to use mine for a very long time unless I actually switch carriers. T-Mobile is bragging about strengthening their signals. We'll see how that works out. I am getting fed up with Verizon just like everyone else. But it really is all about coverage.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] plainbum:
Verizon Galaxy S5 Bootloader Has Been Unlocked!!

http://goo.gl/y7pLhm

Proof of Concept Shown on Video

https://goo.gl/sI2ZO4

"Verizon has a storied history with regards to bootloader unlocking – namely, they hate the very idea of it. For years now, Verizon has maintained that preventing you from unlocking your device’s bootloader is for your own benefit.

In a letter sent to customers who filed a complaint with the FCC, Verizon states that:

“[A]n open bootloader could prevent Verizon Wireless from providing the same level of customer experience and support because it would allow users to change their phone or otherwise modify the software and, potentially, negatively impact how the phone connects with the network.”

There is some truth to this claim, as users with unlocked bootloaders are able to modify the device’s radio files which could potentially cause problems with cellular connectivity. Verizon also states that :

“The addition of unapproved software could also negatively impact the wireless experience for other customers.”

We all know what they mean by this – they don’t want people to use tethering. Not unexpected, of course, as Verizon wants to make money off of anyone using their mobile network. The same is true for almost every carrier. However, Verizon (along with AT&T) is unique in its stubbornness to lock down its devices, with nearly every device released for its network being unable to be unlocked. They would rather you purchase an entirely new phone to be able to unlock your bootloader, rather than sticking with what you have.

Victory for the Consumer

For months, Verizon Galaxy S5 users have waited for even a simple root method. They eventually got one thanks to the community coming together and setting a bounty for it, incentivizing any developer looking to claim nearly $20,000! But the holy grail that the Verizon Galaxy S5 community was looking out for – and what they pledged their money to see – was still out of reach. Until today, that is. Beaups, a member of the Firewater team, has just posted a video demonstrating a proof of concept for unlocking the S5 bootloader. This process shows a Verizon Galaxy S5 bootloader being put into developer mode, though the proof of concept should work on any S5. At the moment, there are no determined plans to release the unlocking method as it is merely a proof of concept, but the implications of this development should excite every Verizon Galaxy S5 owner. Who knows, maybe your device will eventually be able to join the list of devices that are tasting that sweet, sweet Marshmallow."
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] Azeem00:
Can someone tell me where can you buy the Note4 Dev. Edition and if it's rootable? Also can it be used with any carrier like the Galaxy Note 3? I want to make sure it has CDMA, GSM and 4G lte like the Note3?
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] Jaytronics:
The Dev edition is the exact same phone as the retail edition. So, if the retail phone can be used on other carriers, and it can, then, yes, the Dev edition can as well.

Now, I am not sure why you asked if the Dev edition can be rooted. But, I am going to assume that you made this post while extremely exhausted. Because if you by now do not know what a Dev phone is and can do, I am going to say, you should probably not bother with one. As far as where you can get one. Swappa. Maybe eBay? But you can not purchase it new any more.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] airmaxx23:
I'm thinking of selling my 32gb black DE Note 4, it's in great condition. What would be a good asking price?
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] Jaytronics:
If there is any one that lives in the surrounding states to Massachusetts, I would trade my nitro powered TMax RC truck for their dev edition. Yeah, it probably will not happen. But, one has to try.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] GreenGoblin227:
Haha. I live in Salisbury Ma. I'm done with nitro. Brushless is the way of the future.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] Azeem00:
Yes I was very tired when I made that post. I have a Verizon Note 3 and I know that phone can be used on any carrier so I just wanted to know if the Note4 is designed the same way. I looked at the specs of Note4 on phone arena and it doesn't say it has CDMA as well as GSM capability like the Note3? Also I asked the root question because Verizon keeps locking the boot loader so people who have the Note3 who have upgraded their OS to 4.4.4 or above can't root the phone from what I understand. I don't know if Note4 has the same problem with locked bootloader so I thought people maybe getting Dev. edition Note 4 if they can't root the Note4? I don't know much about the Dev. edition phone so before I decide to purchase another phone I'm just trying to decide if I should get the Note 3 again for or note 4? Anyway since I don't know a lot about Dev. edition phone, what is the advantage of having one if it's the same as the retail ediition?
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] stueycaster:
The Developer Edition has an unlocked bootloader. You can root it and run custom kernels. The problem is they are not being produced any more and can not be bought anywhere besides Swappa or maybe E-Bay as a used phone. Read back through this thread and you'll find info about possibly getting one. I bought mine with info I got here. Good luck.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] ilpleasu:
I'm in the market for a Dev edition Note 4, can't seem to catch one on Swappa.com. ...always to late if you have one let me know.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] plainbum:
If I were serious about buying one I would check Here, Swappa, and Ebay more frequently, like every hour or so.

YOu can also have ebay send you emails when new listing arrive by saving searches .

I saved "Note 4" "Developer edition"

This is current auction is ending soon and looks like a very nice unit.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/311480910850
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] JustSomeRandomGuy:
Hope this isn't against the rules. I have one up on Swappa.

https://swappa.com/listing/DRC653/view

Just lowered the price a little based on another one that just sold.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] dacapho:
DE for $549!!...https://swappa.com/listing/LSN514/view

Sent from my XT1060
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] ilpleasu:
Missed that one and what a deal that was. ..549.00 wow!
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] GreenGoblin227:
found one on ebay - http://www.ebay.com/itm/Samsung-Gal...777636?hash=item280c57e0e4:g:ZzYAAOSwxN5WT-WB
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] plainbum:
I found another Dev

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Verizon-Sam...ion-Black-w-8GB-Micro-SM-N910V-/301805482270?
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] Jaytronics:
This would be awesome to get. I'm on it. Doubtful that I will be able to purchase it. As I don't have to much money. But, one can hope. If I do purchase it though, I will drive to New Jersey to pick it up. That is if the seller is OK with that. I am fully tired of this retail edition. Verizon can not offer a safer or better experience than this community. Well, for most of us. The ones who read the instructions.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] plainbum:
Don't be in a hurry, check swappa, ebay, here a few times a day and you will get on e much cheaper than this "Gouger" is asking $1,000 +

SMH

I got mine for $550, give it time.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] ilpleasu:
I keep missing out! Still waiting though. ..
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] dacapho:
$595.. https://swappa.com/listing/PLZ192/view
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] armyofsquirrels:
Has anyone with unlimited data been hit with the increased bill? Both me and my friend dodged it somehow im wondering if they backed off.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] blubyu87gt:
I believe it is based on Bill cycle. Meaning you won't see it until the start of your next one.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] armyofsquirrels:
Yea I thought they said everyones Nov bill would reflect the changes? I could of misunderstood but I was hoping they backed off their plans to increase it ha-ha wishful thinking.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] ilpleasu:
I never look at my VZW bill, had no idea that this increase was in the makings.

According to my Nov.statement, the price of Unlimited Data Features will increase starting Nov. 15, 2015.

This is not good, been paying 160.00 a month for a number of years now, it just may be time to make some changes to my phone services.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] fz798:
Yup :( sure enough, went up $20
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] ilpleasu:
20.00 per month more?
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] fz798:
Yep
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] armyofsquirrels:
Boo. That sucks.

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I searched and searched I went everywhere sprint, at&t, T-Mobile... And they were pretty much just as expensive for me and my data usage as the increase. Just sucks cause now my bill is over $100 a month now. $1200 a year for a cell phone is crazy to me. And I truly believe they will continue to raise it until they buy all of us off our lines.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] plainbum:
This auto is ending in 8 hours and is at. $ 520

http://www.ebay.com/itm/172005777636
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] plainbum:
You got the increase because you are not on a contract.

I just bought new phones and got back on contract for two years so I didn't get a price increase.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] armyofsquirrels:
Yea I opted to keep my unlimited data still.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] plainbum:
I still have my unlimited data.

Look for a thread by Jules jam @ slickdeals.netfor instructions.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] christiebunny:
Any way to regain it once it's lost? (love the username, btw!)
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] armyofsquirrels:
Unfortunately no once it's lost its lost according to their customer service, and thanks =)
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] Telemachus:
Thanks for the heads up, I just picked this one up. The Foxfi fiasco this last weekend convinced me that it is time to regain Root again.

I got the Note 5 for $50, and sold it for $600... so this will be a great use of those funds, and don't have to deal with the Ebay madness!
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] dacapho:
For anyone needing a microSD..$39.99..not a bad price for Samsung 128Gb.. https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B00P3NMVVU/ref=ox_sc_saved_image_6?ie=UTF8&psc=1&smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] Telemachus:
Hopefully the Samsung don't self corrupt like SanDisk.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] stueycaster:
Talking about SD cards becoming corrupted. Do yall always click on the "Safely Remove Hardware" icon in the system tray of your computer before you pull the cord out or remove the card from the card reader. There's no faster way to corrupt an SDcard. I know. I corrupted my SD and my external hard drive both more than once. But then since I started being very careful to never pull the cord without it I have never corrupted one.

Sent from my SM-N910V DE w/MoRom
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] christiebunny:
ALWAYS make sure the SD/thumbdrive/whatever, is flagged as clean/safe to remove AND any light's stopped flickering on it, *before* you pull it!
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] Jaytronics:
That is interesting, I always do the safe remove method for USB and SD cards. But lately, my Note 4 has corrupted 3 external cards and thumb drives by doing so. On card had so much important data. I tried to recover the data. But I can not get any success. I can see the names of the files. But, they are not in original format or are corrupted. Frankly, in this sense, Android is poor at handling these mediums. At least on 4.4 from my experience. And this is not the first time this has happened. Just the first couple times in a long while.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] stueycaster:
I found a pc program to restore corrupted data from an SD card. I forgot the name of it and it wasn't free. But it got my data back for me.

Sent from my SM-N910V DE w/MoRom
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] Jaytronics:
No offense, but that was not particularly helpful. Lol! Like I said, don't take offense. As I have made many a unhelpful comment. And I usually do not purchase software or apps unless they are proven to work. Seeing as you are here on XDA, and have a good post count, I would be more inclined to trust the software.

So, if you could come up with a name for that program, I can look up some reviews. And well, maybe I could have my data back. Or not. Thank you.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] stueycaster:
I googled it and found these. I'd like to help more but my wife is demanding my attention. She has Vascular Dementia and I am her care giver. She sometimes gets pissed when I start messing with my gadgets. Sorry.

http://www.pcadvisor.co.uk/how-to/s...ecover-files-from-dead-sd-card-image-3481659/

http://www.cardrecoverypro.com/howt...l=Corrupted-SD-Card&item=photos&acton=recover

http://www.computerworld.com/articl...y-tools-for-sd-cards-usb-drives-and-more.html
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] Jaytronics:
Please don't take my last post as rude. I did try to relay that via the first part of the post. And I am sorry that you both have to deal with that. Does not sound like a good time. Any way, I thank you for the link. And thank you wife for putting up with me through here.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] Telemachus:
Samsung are the worst. Corrupt SanDisk left and right. I only get the SD with life warrantees. SanDisk swaps it out every time. I cut it up before I send.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] Jaytronics:
This is good news. I did not know that anyone offered a lifetime warranty on cards. And, you can cut it up before sending it in? Interesting.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] stueycaster:
The problem is the computer I used to recover the data died. I was able to save most of the data but I lost the program data.

I think it might have been WinRecovery that I used on the SD card. What I do remember is I was disgusted when it cost me so much money to restore the data. It worked but it renamed a lot of the songs I had on it. The reason I put so much effort into saving it all was I had a few hundred pictures I couldn't lose.

I don't know but maybe one of the others might be better. I wish I could give you more definite info. Believe me it was a pain for me to retrieve the lost data. Nowadays I back stuff up. Which reminds me I need to do that.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] christiebunny:
Ontrak, and Easus are very good for data recovery. If I remember right, Ontrak is slightly better for flash recovery. Recuva is another decent data recovery program, and freeware, but very hit-and-miss for flash storage.

.......And, btw, the only thing I hate worse than flash data recovery, is RAID data recovery :p