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[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] spexwood:
No no no no... I was just saying that I didn't know what the project was called exactly, but I DID know what it was. You never said I didn't know what it was though. I just added that detail on my own.

It's kind of like you asking me what my favorite color was and me replying, "I love blue, but absolutely hate yellow." You never asked for my least favorite color, but I mentioned it anyways just because I felt it was important or whatever.

Does that make sense? I wasn't misinterpreting your question or assuming anything.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] WizeGuyDezignz:
No worries man, I got ya.

BTW, as to the topic on hand, I think AT&T won't give us lollipop until after the S6 is released. They want as many people as possible to buy that first and pre-order it. Just my wild guess.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] ekerbuddyeker:
I live this device but this is the least active XDA forum I have ever been on..
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] jokesonme:
Finally.... Someone said it lol. I try to reply and post extra battery stats and get convos going. This definitely is the least active one I've every been a part of :( granted there is no root or roms so I get that. Almost makes me want to switch phones to feel a part of the community again lol
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] whmgreen:
I know what you guys mean. I remember my first smartphone, the xperia x10. I was talking to people all over the world, I definitely miss that experience...Probably not enough to buy another sony phone though. Although they are at least keeping up on the waterproof front, whereas samsung seems to have given up on that boat, pardon the pun. I know most people don't care about waterproofing on their phones, but trust me once you actually need it you'll never want to go back! I think homeboy is right though, I bet we won't have lollipop until this summer. Hopefully that will give the devs time to hack 4.4!
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] zaures:
Yeah being used to the Captivate and GS4 forums this is pretty sad.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] NYYFan02:
Yeah it's pretty sad, I'm guessing it's mainly due to the lack of development (root) of the device; if that gets achieved I'm guessing people will come.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] gpo1956:
Please then, help a dullard out. What, exactly, was the context of your post?
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] WizeGuyDezignz:
Read it exactly as I posted it and don't read into it any further. Period, end of story. Let it go already.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] imnoob55:
Yup, really. Not even Samsung has released Note 4 roms for their international/non-carrier variants. It's not clear AT&T even has a rom to work yet.

If anything Samsung is whom is 'well behind schedule.' I would hope the L rom we're getting is going to be as note-worthy as the one S6 is going to get in just Juneish timeframe that will be supposedly a major overhaul for touchwiz but I doubt that will happen. Our L is going to look VERY similar to what we have now according to the video leaks Sammobile has provided thus far.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] ReggieSmith:
The carriers DO have a ROM. But there have been issues they have had to push back to samsung
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] jokesonme:
By the time it's out, I feel I'll already be on to the S6 or Note5 :( Just Sucks I really had high hopes with this phone and I feel a number of things fell short. No root, so no roms, no timely updates. I remember on my S3 and Note 3. Omg such fun times! All the different types roms, the active forum, all the updates, maybe I got spoiled. Then the Note 4, I've done about as much cool stuff with it as my mom has with her phone lol. And she still uses T9 texting (sorry mom lol)
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] imnoob55:
That's interesting, where did you hear this? Just curious.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] ReggieSmith:
I am an AT&T employee. I tried to get on the field testers list but they are full up for the Note 4. And they simply will NOT allow anyone not on that list to get the ROM.

But I have been lead to believe it is close.

so, If AT&T has the ROM, I can only presume the other carriers have it as well And if NONE of them have released it yet, it stands to reason they are waiting on Samsung to fix something pretty important before pushing it out.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] imnoob55:
Oh, nice! I appreciate the info greatly!
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] gpo1956:
I thought so.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] Spawn026:
delayed

Looks like it will be a bit

http://androidheadlines.com/2015/01...ollipop-update-delayed-due-gear-vr-issue.html
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] xlr8shun:
Fantastic, we are all waiting on an update because of a feature that 90% of us wont even use. And the edge, which isnt even compatible gets to wait too... because you know.. well.. that just sounds logical in corporate business world of today
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] WizeGuyDezignz:
It's all good, I will have the S6 before the update even comes out. Based on past history, I completely expected this anyways. I really never believed they would release Lollipop to older devices before the S6 came out. They want their newest flagship to show off the newest version of their software.

I'm strictly speaking of the US of course. I'm aware of the Lollipop update being available on the S5 in different countries and such. But I just had a bad feeling this would happen in the US. They always like to have their latest software debut with their latest phone.

I could be wrong and I hope I am, but I doubt it. We will find out in two short months which is when I'm speculating the S6 will be released.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] Martini3001:
True words. But keep in mind other manifactures brought the update delayed, too and Samsung has to change more stuff updating a Note.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] Gods Son:
The only reason us Note 4 owners haven't gotten the lollipop update is because of the Samsung VR Gear. They're trying to get the kernel to work with it from what I can understand. So that's why there's been a hold up with the update.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] imnoob55:
Just to state, this is infact incorrect at least on the Gear VR's side. They've stated their kernel driver has not changed for quite sometime so any 'optimization' needed would be on Samsung's side, not from Oculus, and that Oculus is not who is holding up this update. Might show some doubt whether this is really the 'issue' that is holding up release...

https://twitter.com/ID_AA_Carmack/status/561652982987915264

i.e.

John Carmack ‏@ID_AA_Carmack 22h22 hours ago [MENTION=1150995]natbr[/MENTION]o Samsung integrates our kernel driver for the sensor, but that hasn't changed in ages.

(BTW John Carmack is the CTO of Oculus so I'm much more inclined to trust this source.)
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] OTSS:
Excuses excuses excuses.

Samsung is always full of ****.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] tampaboy1984:
Ughhh. They should just release 5.0 and then update it for Gear VR when it is available ????
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] slimc84:
Verizon is already pushing the Lollipop update to the S5. That is the only US carrier and Samsung device that I have heard of getting the lollipop update to this point.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] COA4178:
Who cares about VR haha I just want the update. If i dont have a smart watch then why would I buy a VR headset if it might end up been mad expensive
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] ReggieSmith:
Version just announced that Lollipop is being pushed to the S5. The Note 4, at least for AT&T , will most likely hit just before the end of February.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] WizeGuyDezignz:
I'm so glad to be proved wrong! :thumbup::thumbup:
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] ekerbuddyeker:
Well 5.1 just got released. We will be lucky if we ever see an update. I have been here before with Samsung.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] thanitos:
Just talked to our samsung rep, he said March 25 was the last thing je had read in his field files, he pulled the files up and it doesn't say any date now
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] COA4178:
Tht sucks
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] thanitos:
Sorry, had to edit my post, customer walked in and I sent it on accident
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] Spawn026:
Locked bootloader, incredibly slow update and touchwiz. If the next nexus has microsd i may jump ship. I love my note but Samsung is never going to change their ways
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] thanitos:
I don't know what all the complaining is about, yes I'd like root, unlocked bootloader would be fine I guess, but as far as the phone goes is a wonderful phone. I love the screen three battery life the build quality, i, like you, bought it knowing it's locked down. I cannot get mad when you admit to yourself that simple truth, you knew it was locked.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] Spawn026:
being on at&t there aren't many options for quality phones without a locked bootloader. you can either get an iphone and jailbreak which i wont ever do again or you get a quality phone hoping for the best. I don't think just because you buy a phone knowing its locked doesn't mean you can't expect it to eventually be unlocked. Samsung makes quality products but there customer satisfaction with upkeep is severely lacking. Thats where the community comes in and makes everything all better. One of the main reasons I love, err, loved, android.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] OTSS:
The "community" for this phone is severely lacking.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] tep065:
I find your lack of faith in the community disturbing :)
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] demandarin:
You know a device is good when yyou not even pressed about rooting it. Battery life stick is excellent and nothing out there feels faster. Especiall with my nova prime. Only reason for root for me would be to be able to tether again. Phone working great on K.K. patientl awaiting arrival of lollipop. So I can rub it in my dad's face that his nexus not only one with latest Android...lol

I turned him onto Android and now he be thinking he know more...smh lmao
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] verks:
It is not Samsung, AT&T locks the bootloader. T-Mobile and other versions do not have locked bootloaders.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] COA4178:
Yes sir.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] DroidBlaze:
He's right though. Since our beloved at&t note 4 is completely locked down there's not much to do or discuss about. There's an option for those that like to tinker (tmob note 4) so just about all devs that want a note 4 got that version. Their community is far more active compared to ours.

Once (hopefully) the intelligent few working to get us root figure it out, this community will expand and become more active. I could be wrong though.

First of all, the most important thing is that YOU are happy with your device so keep that in mind when I express my following opinion.

If your dad chose to be part of the nexus master race, then by default he does already know more about android lol. Nexus devices are the pure android experience. Quick updates and completely unlocked to make the device truly yours! However, stock android lacks software that better utilizes the extra screen real estate of larger devices. If he uses his phone stock he would've been much better off with a note 4 ;).

Next, regarding the note 4. Those that say this phone does not lag or that the lag is minimal and does not bother them are not lying; they have just not used a device that is faster. From their perspective, there is no lag. Once you are accustomed to a lag-free (or close to lag-free) any lag or stutters are apparent immediately. My note 4 has all bloat blocked and/or frozen and running art in order to finally get a smooth and responsive experience. Before I did those things lag and stutter was very apparent, especially when opening recents and scrolling. My nexus 4 feels just as fast though :eek:. That's the beauty of knowing what you're doing and installing a custom optimized ROM and kernel, then tweaking to get the most out of your device. It really does make a difference.

Root by itself wouldn't make the note 4 faster. That's the job of custom ROMs, kernels, and tweaks. However, root does provide the following which is invaluable to many:

Systemwide adblock

Viper4Android - this makes a night and day difference for audio if set up correctly

Bloat removal (instead of just frozen/blocked)

XPOSED!!! - the possibilities with this are limitless. Truly an amazing tool.

I personally never run anything stock. I like to make anything I own truly my own and modified to look and respond exactly the way I want it to. Root opens the door to make this possible. I never realized how much I took root for granted until now.

Having said all that, there is NO better large screen phone than the note 4 right now. The hardware as well as software optimized to take full advantage of the large screen plus spen make this phone the best. IMO this phone with a slimmed/optimised touchwizz ROM and xposed make it the perfect phone. Apparently lollipop touchwizz is slimmed and optimised so can't wait to try it!!
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] keithfrombm:
I'm prohibited (by the wife) from rooting anymore phones since I bricked my Galaxy S3. But before I attempted to revert to stock, it was running Cyanogenmod and it ran NICE. But, even my LG G2 on stock performed with fewer hiccups than my Note 4. However, it barely lasted 6 months before the digitizer went haywire. That said, the screen is absolutely beautiful on this phone. There's nothing that comes close to it. But, whether I'm running ART or Dalvik, in still getting tons of lag. Any ideas of what could be causing that? I mean, slow is one thing, but it literally stutters when playing a game as graphically unchallenging as Sky Force.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] thanitos:
You may have power saving turned on, That's When I see some lag
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] keithfrombm:
Yeah I thought that too but it APPEARS to be off. It's really frustrating how sometimes it performs perfectly, and then it starts freezing up during games. I've tried ending all open apps with the built-in task manager, but nothing so far seems to make a difference.

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In all fairness, it may be the game that isn't optimized, but even Google Maps acts like $#!+. Painfully slow response times: I can wait for a solid 3-count before it acknowledges I've tapped anything.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] DroidBlaze:
The main reason is the QHD + SD805 + TOUCHWIZZ just isn't a very strong combination. The LG g2 is FHD screen being pushed by the SD800 and running LG's UI. The snapdragon 805 is powerful but the extra pixels of QHD and the heaviness of touchwizz simply puts a lot of strain on the CPU/GPU. However, your note 4 sounds abnormally bad. Have you tried using the debloater by gatesjunior? It appears to be safe and doesn't require root - obviously. Also, if the debloater and running art instead of dalvik doesn't work, you should try doing a factory reset. If that still doesn't help you might have a defective device.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] keithfrombm:
This is my second one. My first had a defective camera. You really think the Quad HD screen puts THAT much stress on the 805? That's disheartening. I've been told by higher nerds than I that Samsung didn't optimize Wiz and lollipop should be a lot smoother. I haven't tried the debloat technique. I'll try to find the link.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] pr0cl1v1ty:
I thought ART didn't do anything beneficial for 4.4 versions of android, am I wrong?
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] Spawn026:
ART definitely makes my phone feel snappier. Problem is if you power down or reboot your phone it takes a long time to boot
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] Venom0642:
Hmm Received ota upgrade to 5.0.1 10 minutes ago on my Att lg G3 d850 , Now how in the Hell does My LG G3 AT&T Gets this update before all our Note 4 AT&T Doesn't make sense lol!
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] diehardbattery:
This is getting ridiculous...
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] thanitos:
As stated before, it's delayed until late March because of VR support, note 4 and edge are the only two phones on the market that support it so yes, your lg will get it before the note 4....
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] Venom0642:
Figures lol guess we will be patient and wait!

Running On New Deadly Venom Note 4 v1.0
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] deathshead:
And as Stated by John Carmack the CTO of Oculus via twitter,

"John Carmack @ID_AA_Carmack · Jan 31

Reports that L is delayed because "the company behind Samsung's Gear VR is busy adjusting the kernel specifically for the headset" = wrong"

I love how the rumor is more prevalent than the actual truth..
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] thanitos:
And as I stated before, I've discussed this with a samsung rep, it was pushed off until march, regardless of the reason, simply because he states it isn't anything to do with there end doesn't mean it isn't something that needs to be adjusted with lollipop and the vr, it's an entire android re-write. but as I stated it's pushed off until late March at the least.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] deathshead:
John Carmack elaborates.

"John Carmack ‏@ID_AA_Carmack Jan 31
[MENTION=4941534]brianwhite[/MENTION]hurst Oculus doesn't get to "adjust the kernel" at all, let alone hold up an Android release."

"John Carmack ‏@ID_AA_Carmack Jan 31
[MENTION=1150995]natbr[/MENTION]o Samsung integrates our kernel driver for the sensor, but that hasn't changed in ages."

Who is more credible? "A Samsung Rep"? or The current CTO of Oculus?

The guy who was pretty much responsible for the engines that behind

Doom

wolfenstein 3d

Quake

Half-life, etc
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] thanitos:
I never said that the vr needs adjustment, but with lollipop samsung may be making changes and patching vulnerabilities, something that he would have no idea is going on, therefore he has no solid ground to say weather or not it isn't vr related, lollipop is being released for multiple other devices what other logical reason could you conjure that would push it off for the note 4. If there is a root vulnerability or security issues with the vr and lollipop samsung wouldn't release it to anyone they would simply delay release and patch the issues, besides that I'm not replying past this point because there is no solid evidence to support either side of this argument.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] deathshead:
He just basically said Oculus wrote a kernel driver for Samsung which has not changed in Ages,

If Samsung needed changes made you would think they would let the guy who write the driver know about a potential problem?

The guy who started the rumor, who cites zero sources and never elaborates,

"Faryaab Sheikh

‏@Faryaab

The reason why the Note 4 has not yet received the Lollipop update is that the folks over at Oculus are busy tweaking the kernel for G VR."

or the guy who actually writes the driver and works with Samsung directly?
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] DroidBlaze:
It definitely makes a difference on my note. On dalvik my phone feels smooth for a few hours until caches build up (or ram usage?) and it starts to stutter when scrolling. This is temporarily resolved when I reboot or use the built in task killer in the recents screen to kill everything. On ART I don't have this issue and there's also less of a delay when I press recents button as a bonus. I can even run my phone on power saving mode -not ultra- and it's still smooth. Battery life is the same on either ART or dalvik. Also, there is that bug where it takes forever to reboot on ART but I rarely ever reboot.

What's funny is that on my nexus 4 I would flash custom dalvik libs and it made the performance on par or better than ART. So I had the performance of ART and could still use xposed. There was absolutely no reason to run ART on that phone... Ugh I miss modifying and tinkering :(. I'm still going through withdrawals lol.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] diehardbattery:
Judging on what I've seen from comments on Verizon and Sprint's S5 getting Lollipop, there might be more issues than just the VR... IF there's even one to begin with...
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] DroidBlaze:
Although the 805 is great, it wasn't such a large leap from the 800. So it might be the QHD screen, touchwizz, or a combination of both. Word on the street is that Samsung listened to complaints about touchwizz and optimized it for lollipop. The note 3 with lollipop touchwizz apparently runs just as fast as stock android. Hopefully it is true.

I'm happy performance wise with my note now that it's debloated and on ART. Plus I knew perfectly well what I was getting when I got my note4. No surprises.

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Stock lollipop has/had issues to begin with. Add in the fact that Samsung adds so much to stock android, along with the fact that they probably had to start from scratch to add their features, and there is bound to be issues. I personally would rather wait for stable touchwizz lollipop update than one that's broken.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] pr0cl1v1ty:
Ok cool, thanks for the detailed response. I'm booting into ART now. I also am going through withdraws. lol.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] mkeric1:
i tryed to switch to art but now stuck at optimizing apps help please what do i do how do i go back to dalvik now
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] bbeelzebub:
According to the main Note 4 forum, they are rolling it out in Poland for the Note 4 there. So, looks like they are sticking with the usual eastern europe Exynos start. Hopefully it won't be too much longer.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] soraxd:
so liek I heard 5.0 brings sd card support ! woah I can't even imagine what a phone would be like with one , man we are living in the future
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] DroidBlaze:
The optimizing apps part is what takes long. If it takes longer than 20 min just reboot and you should be fine. I only know how to switch runtimes through developer options. It might be possible through ADB but not sure.

Lollipop update in Poland. It's only a matter of time now :)
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] DroidHelp101:
European Note 4 is getting Lollipop today...

http://www.androidcentral.com/samsung-starts-rolling-out-lollipop-galaxy-note-4-owners
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] Venom0642:
Looks like we will be next very soon awesome [emoji106]

Running On New Deadly Venom Note 4 v1.0
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] keithfrombm:
So, I tried ART again, for about 24 hours. Couple things: it did seem less laggy this time, but something weird: the FIRST time I used ART, I couldn't sworn it said 340+ apps when "Upgrading Android" screen was on. This time it said 126 and took 10 minutes. I rebooted my phone because I was getting horrible signal (no phone with AT&T works super great switching towers/areas). The reboot took ten minutes (again). Is that gonna be a constant thing on Lollipop? Cause I'm a reboot junkie! :confused:
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] Monsi:
yes, always take a lot of time. I decided to stay with dalvik because of that. I always reboot after a full charge.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] troycarpenter:
This is my experience as well. The first switch to ART had 477 apps to update. This second reboot shows 175.

And slow isn't the adjective I would use to describe this stage. It feels like Lollipop will be out before this finishes :)
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] :
So if the update is being pushed in the Europe area, has anyone uploaded it? like could we flash it with Odin maybe?
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] cnote74:
Not with a locked bootloader and I've heard unlike the note 2 which could flash international roms, the note 4 usa models aren't international compatible without porting it over.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] COA4178:
Seems like lollipop update hit South Korea
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] quarterbreed:
I'm new to flashing Roms and what not and was wondering if Android L is going to be ported to the Evita. I know these things take time, I'm just wondering if someone is gonna port it over for us, or is in the progress of being worked on.

Sry for my noobness, just wanted to ask.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] quarterbreed:
Awesome thx