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[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] nyydynasty:
yeah, i'm aware that everyone adds their own visual tweaks to the UI so 5.0 wont look like a nexus device but I guess I was hoping because its such a different OS, visually, that most manufacturers would leave it as vanilla as possible. anyway, i dont care about visuals as much as performance and i didnt notice much performance increase on the G3 after the lollipop upgrade.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] Mad383Max:
Does the G3 do the 'Updating/Optimizing programs' every time you reboot/restart the phone like the Note 4 does when running ART?
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] shawnten:
No it does not
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] WyldJitt1976:
Lol... Better ask the Samsung "Rep" why it has already went live...
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] lawalty:
OMG! I'm really getting tired of reading up on all these different "older" handsets getting the Lollipop update, yet we're still waiting!

I keep telling myself, I guess to make myself feel better, that when I purchased my Note4 I shouldn't be expecting anything else other than what came with it. We're are dealing with Samsung.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] COA4178:
And a round of applause, samsung galaxy vr for their outstanding performance on delaying lollipop bahaha
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] JudgeDredd67:
They are just letting us know there are no special privileges that come with spending the extra bucks to purchase there "High End" device. :p
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] jerrycoffman45:
lollipop has already started rolling out for the note 4 just not in the us yet
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] GoldCartridgeGamer:
Wish Google would make it so we could update to vanilla OS without having to buy a Nexus device. The only complaint I have about Android OS is the slowness of updating phones' OS.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] dazemc:
It's not Google's fault...You could do that if you had an unlocked bootloader.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] GoldCartridgeGamer:
They could require manufacturers to leave an unlocked bootloader or push carriers to do that. Funny how Apple doesn't have bloatware and such. I used to be an iOS user and switched a few years back after I discovered something Apple has in the OS. I refuse to use an iOS device now because of it. Android is the lesser of the evils in mobile phone OS. No OS is perfect sadly without modifying.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] kryptoniteguy:
Will you enlighten us on your discovery findings in IOS?
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] spinedoc:
Isn't it more Samsungs fault? LG and HTC among others provide ways to unlock their bootloaders, I'm not sure why Samsung doesn't.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] dazemc:
The carriers are the reason they are locked (AT&T and Verizon mostly)...a lot of it is because they don't want you to remove the bloatware or use the phone in any way they can't make money...like wifi tethering
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] Clienterror:
Wifi tethering is included in all of AT&Ts current data plans now.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] jgodfrey82:
Except those on grandfathered unlimited plans
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] nyydynasty:
yes but thats why he said "current" plans. Unlimited plans aren't current. And I think its the current mobile/family shared plans only, right?
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] spinedoc:
Yes but the phone manufacturers are free to provide unlocking solutions, LG and HTC do exactly that among others. While AT&T/Verizon deserve the blame, Samsung also deserves the blame IMO for being lazy and not providing solutions.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] ReggieSmith:
Carriers push for a locked bootloader on devices they wish to sell to businesses and the government. If there was an easy way to unlock them then they couldn't be sold as "secure." Samsung and Apple actively market their devices as secure which is why they assist in fighting off users when they can. (government and business sales are almost guaranteed sales.)

Bottom line is that there aren't enough people who actively demand the ability to root and modify their devices when compared to large volume Gov't and business sales. Good thing is that at least disabling bloat is getting a little easier.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] spinedoc:
While I agree with you, most other phone makers provide an unlocking solution for their customers.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] ReggieSmith:
That's my point. Apple and Samsung are different.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] spinedoc:
Yeah that was my point also, Samsung could provide a solution yet they don't, and are probably the only ones who don't. They deserve the blame just add much as AT&T.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] xlr8shun:
Youre not understanding the situation..

How can you provide a "secure" device that can meet the strict standards of the govt and other businesses that wish to keep their stuff as secure as possible outside the office. Then in the same breath offer a tool that disables all that security..

You cant..
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] spinedoc:
I'm understanding, but my point still stands. If Samsung wants to market it's devices like that then it shares the blame of having a locked bootloader.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] droe411:
They don't care about the blame. They will make more money off of locking down the phone compared to providing a service that will help 1 percent of people who purchase their phone. Money trumps all of the complaining a small percentage of people who want to mod their phones will make.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] spinedoc:
Yep, absolutely agree with this.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] pr0cl1v1ty:
AT&T sending out lollipop to moto x?

http://www.androidcentral.com/att-sends-out-lollipop-soak-test-invites-2014-moto-x
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] GoldCartridgeGamer:
Everytime an iOS device boots it must first ping an Apple server. If that server is down or device is marked as invalid, then it becomes a brick. It will not connect to your carrier tower. That was the final straw for me and I ditched my iOS device for a Galaxy S3. Loved that device so much got a Galaxy Note 4. Now I cannot imagine a smartphone smaller than this and without a stylus like this one.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] stoobie-doo:
I noticed that the new T-Mobile firmware updates page (https://support.t-mobile.com/community/phones-tablets-devices/software-updates#tmoSUPDocTitle) shows their Note 4 variant still under manufacturer development for the new firmware; I assume that means the AT&T variant is in the same state.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] pr0cl1v1ty:
Tmobile even has a launch page now about their update process...

https://support.t-mobile.com/community/phones-tablets-devices/software-updates#tmoSUPDocTitle

Come on AT&T...
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] sweetboy02125:
Stop calling ATT LOL:p. They are too big to hear ya.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] spexwood:
I just visited that link out of curiosity. That's pretty cool the way TMo is keeping their customers updated!

... I do wish ATT would do this now. Just because it's cool.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] Jspex:
http://www.christianitydaily.com/ar...lipop-update-samsung-galaxy-note-series-4.htm

" A delay due to coding issues is being experienced in the United States, hence the need to wait for carriers to set an official release date for the Android 5.0 Lollipop upgrade."
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] pr0cl1v1ty:
Sweet, thanks for the find!
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] ChefAnt:
Sweet
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] TechSavvy2:
How can this even remotely be true? People (re)boot iphones with no sim card or wifi or signal or anything all the time. No way whatsoever to connect to a server. Doesn't make it a brick.... I've done it. My wife does it every day. Maybe you're referring to the VERY FIRST TIME the device is initialized after purchasing it, or factory resetting it.

But in any event....
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] cstayton:
its not I owned and developed for several different models of iPhones, this statement is pure hogwash it does not ping any apple servers on bootup the only,thing that happens is if you have an icloud account it will try to sign in on bootup either enter your password or cancel it does not turn the device into a brick.

P.S. and no SIM or WiFi connection is required to boot iOS device or any android device
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] pr0cl1v1ty:
Yep, both of you above are correct, I've owned almost every single iphone model also.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] Martinjv71:
So beside discussing apple. Any updates to the thread topic?
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] Clienterror:
Can confirm, I work at an AT&T call center and any time you call and ask these things I'm probably solving a rubiks or texting someone while you talk because we have no idea...... Or am I contacted to say that? JK seriously have no idea lol.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] solodV8:
Today Samsung presented Galaxy S6 with Lollipop 5.0.2. Now I can see how Samsung rushed through and just dropped ball on Note 4. :mad:
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] drivel2787:
Had one sold it for note 4. Lollipop really isn't that much different. My nexus battery life was terrible. I was lucky to get 2 1/2 hours on screen time
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] lawalty:
Knowing how BIG Samsung is, the immense customer call centers around the globe, the many millions of employees all geared up and ready to accept all the new phones being created, we have lonely Stevenson who is a ONE-MAN division in Samsung, who's sole responsibility is to get Lollipop molded/updated and programmed in all the phones, using the only company approved dial-up connection upgrading one phone at a time.

No wonder Stevenson is under a lot of stress and pressure. Poor Stevenson!
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] omair2005:
I'm thinking the Note 4 Lollipop will coincide with the S6 release.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] OTSS:
Samsung is garbage.

It's March and still no update. Only great thing about this phone is screen, camera, and battery.

Weak as* company.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] lawalty:
Wait wait! I got it!

We have Samsung, who's put forth much effort in efficiencies and deadlines. Multiple divisions dedicated to the upcoming Lollipop release, hundreds of thousands of employees, all working together like a fine-tuned clock. Even grunting in sync, an extreme example of rollout updates.

Then we have Stevenson, who is a subcontractor, contracted by AT&T to modify the packaged update by Samsung, to include all the system files, and any other bloatware that can be added, then sent out via dial-up, with only enough bandwidth to handle one handset at a time.

No wonder Stevenson is not yet on the Note4 series.

:)
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] cstayton:
Might want to re-think that statement... It's not Samsung holding back the update (Seriously all you have to do is look around) It's AT&T and their subcontractors that modify the build that are holding back the update.

And Honestly 5.0 not that big of a deal, it has issues several memory leaks, battery life is not up to snuff and many other small glitches.

and personally the OS interface looks like an elementary school class got hold of a box of crayons, the flat look and feel reminds me of the early days of android. (Just my opinion mind you).
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] Venom0642:
Got to agree with you on that , so if anyone is wanting lollipop you will have to be patient.

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[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] Spawn026:
i was hoping the us delay was because Samsung was going to announce the more lightweight touchwiz that was rumored to be on the S6 was coming to the Note 4 but I don't even think Samsung mentioned the Note 4 during their conference. Kind of feel left in the dust for a device that came out just a few months ago
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] thanitos:
Looks like my sources were correct, late March it is.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] tailgunner9:
They want you to buy the New phones that come with Lollipop is why they get in no hurry to get updates for older phones.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] Venom0642:
Again it's not Samsung they already send out the Lollipop update, it all comes down to AT&T when they decide to release Lollipop.

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[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] omair2005:
5.0.1 on Note 4 Exynos (Korean) had a random battery drain issue. I'm thinking the 5.0.2 update for Snapdragon will have this issue fixed.. I welcome the aesthetic changes with Lollipop, on top of less bloat. I have a gut feeling we are looking at an end of March release.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] Gods Son:
It doesn't matter because I have two note 4s thanks to a few friends who can make things disappear and they are the AT&T varient that I have rooted. Poor AT&T missing some note 4 phones? Hahaha hahaha. ......
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] thanitos:
Pretty sure they aren't att if they are rooted, but maybe your friend at rent-a-center just thought they were att when it's actually tmobile
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] andy_d0:
The only reason I want the update is so that I can I actually write to my SD card again. Really that's the only thing and miss from my s3 rooted phone
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] terpin32:
Lollipop is still running art as stock right? I have a gear 2 and it didn't work when i had my s5 rooted and on art
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] OTSS:
Look at the OP in this thread. That was 4 months ago. Read the link.

Not Samsung? Please.

None of the US carriers have it.

At the end of the day - people make excuses for Samsung and their updates. It's been 4 months. That's 33% of a year. That is TERRIBLE.

And that is the experience one gets when buying a Samsung.

So yes - it is Samsung.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] papashex:
I completely agree with the box of crayons comment and think the ui looks ridiculous. I thought in terms of battery performance, a black screen is better. if the screen is going to be white all the time, they must be waiting for portable nuclear fusion packs to power the device (hence the delays).
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] Gods Son:
Dude I have two AT&T note 4s. One is rooted and the other isnt. You seem to have a big problem with that and I don't care. Besides don't you still owe rent on your stuff? Better check the lease on your phone ????
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] TechSavvy2:
......what? what does this have anything to do with anything? nobody cares how you got your phones, or that you think one of them is rooted. Info on lollipop release? didn't think so....
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] ohioboyo:
Oh, you have note 4s, in other words you have Galaxy S4 rooted. Good for you. At&t have a locked bootloader no root exists for them. And you stating you have one is total BS, as we all know. And my friend, and your friend that rooted your AT&T Note 4 variant both reside in never never land with Peter, of the Pan clan. Because if you had the Note 4 rooted you'd be collecting the bounty on the Note 4, and not pissing off people in here because you're lying.

Thanks

[MOD EDIT]
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] greekunit690:
Troll man is trolling. Ignore and he'll just dissappear into the night [emoji13]

Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-N910A
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] Ragnar:
^This right here.

Please post appropriately, we do not want to be watching this thread and possibly close it down. Ignore the comments of any individual as you see it fit. There is no reason for anyone to flame/disrespect any other user.

Thank you

Edfunkycold

Have a great day!
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] Xak:
Definitely sooner alright......1 year later.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] boufa:
The screen bicolor issues, black saves battery, has been over stated. Yes, technically, sscrescreens with a black dot, uses less battery than a sscreen with any other color. However, the difference is microscopic in normal use. A dark theme simply won't add any real power saving to your device that is measurable. Maybe 1% over the course of a day... maybe. So companies simply don't take color into account when designing. In theory only a completely black pixel is off. Any color other than pure black will require that pixel to fire.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] ReggieSmith:
Talk about exaggeration... The device has only been out since October and somehow you think it's already been a year?

Or was that just your poor attempt at sarcasm? :eek::beer:
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] ReggieSmith:
ALL of the carriers have it. They just haven't released it. There have been a few set backs from Google itself on Lollipop and then remember that this is almost a complete rewrite of the code.

Personally, I think what has happened is that the carriers have been forced to going back thru certification as the subsequent releases of Lollipop have been released by Google.

Of course Samsung has been a little slower than we would like in their part, but let's not forget what time it is. New devices are being announced right now in MWC and people getting Lollipop "could" make them a little hesitant to jump to that new device. Also, certification of new devices is almost definitely taking priority right now.

Just a thought I don't think I've heard anyone mention as of yet.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] OTSS:
That's exactly my point. That is a terrible philosophy.

So support for your phone that is not even a year old takes a back seat to your newer products? As big of a company as Samsung is - they can't allocate resources to fully support owners of their current flagship phones?

I honestly can't believe you're just completely ok with what you said. Since they have newer devices coming out with Lollipop - they're going to hold the updates off for their current phone owners so people will buy those products.

I'm going to say this again. It is absolutely Samsung.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] ReggieSmith:
Not blaming one company or another, nor am I claiming my opinion as fact although I do work for AT&T and since I have a Note 4, I have been pestering those in the group that does the testing and certification for a couple of months now.

Also, I am not "completely ok" as you stated. I merely made a statement of my opinion on the matter. I just personally think there are more important things in my life to get bothered about. The phone is phenomenal as is. Lollipop really won't give me anything drastic and new that would cause me to lose sleep or swap devices.

It is what it is...
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] cstayton:
If it's an AT&T model it is NOT Rooted there is no root method for AT&T Note 4 as of yet, got to settings -- about look at the model number,

and before you even go there, I asked about a dev model when i bought mine and AT&T does not have a dev model so that's not it either.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] heXacode:
How many updates has the Note 4 had? I've only had this phone for about 2 weeks now.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] Venom0642:
1 update that's it.

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[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] heXacode:
When was it and what was the significance of it if I may ask?
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] imnoob55:
it added Galaxy VR support and I noticed some reduction of the recent apps lag
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] Xak:
Sarcasm
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] pr0cl1v1ty:
ANDDDD....now sprint rolled out lollipop.

http://www.androidcentral.com/sprin...android-50-lollipop-its-samsung-galaxy-note-4
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] xlr8shun:
fact: 1 update, that added more bloat, and support for gear VR.

opinions: some say snappier recent apps button, some say terrible battery performance

http://xdaforums.com/note-4-att/general/att-ota-downloading-t2960247
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] Jspex:
http://www.androidcentral.com/sprin...android-50-lollipop-its-samsung-galaxy-note-4

Edit* Got beat to it...
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] pr0cl1v1ty:
Only by 24 mins :P
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] norbarb:
T-mobile too even for Note 3 : http://www.androidcentral.com/android-50-lollipop-rolls-out-galaxy-note-3-t-mobile
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] Venom0642:
I think AT&T is not gonna release Lollipop yet till they get the SG6 on April 10 and wait till those sell first.

Running On New Deadly Venom Note 4 v1.0
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] ReggieSmith:
I have it from a VERY good source that we will get it next week. (fingers crossed)
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] slackercow:
any evidence that carriers actually do this?

edit: and what incentive is there to withhold it from customers that aren't even eligible to upgrade?
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] Venom0642:
I have no evidence my friend , but just saying you know how AT&T likes to hold updates.

Running On New Deadly Venom Note 4 v1.0
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] lawalty:
My fingers, toes and all my other appendages are crossed!

:)
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] DextarRogue:
I hope so! I've been wanting to try it on my wife's Note 4 before I get my S6 Edge! =)
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] pr0cl1v1ty:
and if you're wrong... you get banned...JK lol I hope so also.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] ReggieSmith:
I think the Note 4 product manager is praying nothing turns up in the soak testing so I will stop bugging him. :)
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] DextarRogue:
You know the one thing I can't figure out, why Samsung doesn't put a flashlight/torch option on the dropdown?? That's the one thing I LOVE about CM on my S3 that I can't stand on my wife's Note 4.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] slidesear:
Agreed! I have the widget on my homescreen ATM, but it's not symmetrical with my icons...
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] cstayton:
I'm gonna agree with you on this AT&T has a long verifiable track record of being the absolute last to put out updates.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] harlenm:
This is their response to me asking when lollipop is getting released.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] boufa:
I don't like the word "hold" It makes it sound devilish, and evil.

AT&T is slow. Maybe they have a small department responsible, and there is only so much they can do, or maybe they are really putting it through rough testing. Either way, they are certainly slow, but "hold" sounds like its done, sitting in a drawer, and they will actually release it whenever at random.

I imagine it is mostly a factor of them not putting much resources (read-man hours) into the effort and in order to meet minimum standards it takes a long time to get done. I think the pace is a side effect of the resources rather than an intentional holding of a completed product just to hold it.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] COA4178:
Lol they whack
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] gator9422:
lol AT&T is horrible i mean the sprint version has lollipop ill laugh if the note 3 gets it before us.....even the htc m7 is getting lollipop before us thats such a joke...besides the Note 4 i have the m8 and it received lollipop a while ago.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] COA4178:
And a brief commercial lol
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] PhonePhan:
Update from Google plus member
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] COA4178:
They should just say "keep waiting" lol
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] droe411:
Any chance At&t was waiting for 5.1 instead of 5.0.1? 5.1 brings HD voice compatibility, 5.0.1 is without. Good released 5.1 today.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] pr0cl1v1ty:
What? o.0
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] droe411:
http://m.androidcentral.com/android-51-gets-official-announcement-updates-rolling-out-soon

5.1
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] Hoshneer:
So are all the Nexus carrier phones updated by Google instead of like AT&T and Verizon?
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] nkd:
I really belive at&t is waiting for hd voice compatibility for lollipop. All the other phones that they have updated recently HD voice has been feature in each one of them. May be samsung hasn't implemented that in lollipop yet and thats the reason for delay. They are high on HD voice right now if that ain't working right I highly doubt they release it.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] Phreck:
We've had HD Voice on the AT&T Note 4 since December.

Check the link:

http://www.att.com/esupport/article.jsp?sid=KB425932&cv=820