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[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] The-Chief:
Pego, I tried to talk to Samsung on chat. THREE TIMES yesterday. And every time, without fail, the chat ended before I could even get my piece out. Samsung is behaving like a corporation doing business out of an apartment flat and putting on the appearance of greatness.

As far as JK Shin goes, I can't really feel bad for the guy: yeah, he took a 50% pay cut. From $1.5 Million in Q2 to $630,000 in Q3. That's QUARTERS, folks. I'm sure he has a certain lifestyle to which he has become accustomed that would require a million dollars every three months but I can't imagine it. I'd still be wearing jeans and old shirts personally. But come on - all these backorders? For weeks? Ridiculous.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] TBacker:
With Verizons apparent aversion to unlocked phones on it's network, isn't it within the realm of possibility that they have a backroom agreement with Samsung to throttle DE production?

I could easily envision the thought process of "We'll allow a few for true developers, but don't want to open the flood gates for this to become a problem" coming from Verizon brass.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] oneandroidnut:
ugh where is developer edition i need a note 4 back in my life
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] davcar94:
I suppose I'm #36. Been mostly lurking. I was lucky enough to get it at the original lower price and it showed up a few days later.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] Mibuix0r:
Would they release more already gyad damn it
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] pego99:
Chief jk lied when there would be a 32gig s5. Hes as bad as obama.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] Boss428man:
What are Note 4 Developer Edition owners using for Wifi tethering? Post recovery and root of course.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] urmcgwy:
The Moto Tether module on Xposed works for me! It lets me just use the standard Samsung toggle in the notification center.

Sent from my unlocked and rooted Verizon Galaxy Note 4 DE!
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] GirLuvsDroid:
That's what I'm using, too.

Sent from my rooted Verizon Note 4 Developer Edition.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] pbman1953:
From some of the posts I see that some of the phones boxes have " Developer Edition" on the box itself, not the sleeve. Plus "Developer Edition " in the battery cavity. I just picked mine up at the store Verizon yesterday and they sold me a SM-N910V , which is supposedly the Developer model. Even after calling Samsung they said it was the developer model. I tried the CF root and it failed twice even after a battery pull in between tries. I'm afraid to try again because the phone is working fine.

Did all of you check off -USB de-bugging before starting into download mode? I read this is an another site on a to do list

I've already downloaded the stick file off the SamMobile site. It takes a while, like 2 hours. It's on the .tar.md5 file, no Odin

Any insight, thanks in advance
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] manbat:
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If you bought it from Verizon....it is NOT a Developer Edition.....They can ONLY be purchased directly from Samsung @ full price now $699.00. Customer Service at Samsung generally does not even know about DE's.....it is handled by a different part of the organization. DE Devices have the same model number as Consumer Editions.

Sent from my SM-N910V / VZW Note 4 DE / Rooted / TWRP 2.8.1.1 trltevzw
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] oneandroidnut:
not true model number has one different letter.

dev is N910VMKEVZW

retail is N910VZKEVZW
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] pbman1953:
I just checked with Samsung, just to be sure. I do have the retail version. The DE version does have "MK" in the part number under the battery.

I guess I'll have to wait for a root program
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] oneandroidnut:
You will be waiting for a long time if not forever. As soon as dev edition goes live I'm buying asap
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] Poloasis:
Word from Samsung last week was the DE were supposed to be available this week. Off course not.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] manbat:
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You are correct...I was referring to the short number he provided in his original post...extended numbers are different.

Sent from my SM-N910V / VZW Note 4 DE / Rooted / TWRP 2.8.1.1 trltevzw
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] pizzarabbit:
I reckon that makes me about #37 then.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] VirgilWoods:
Gentlemen the only way you will get your hands on a DE is if you call corporate's office of the president requesting they solve this supply chain screw up that has everyone in misery. No one at a call center will help you because not even executive customer relations gets paid by Samsung. I assure you that by voicing the concerns of ours directly to the top we can at least be reaching out to the appropriate department.

877 268 2121

You will most likely reach a voicemail because I've been calling for weeks and have never gotten someone directly on the line. However please leave your voicemail message in regards to our grievances. Tomorrow I will reach out to their BBB lawyer to update her about what's been happening since we last spoke two weeks ago. I imagine that if we are all ready to voice our concerns to the BBB then we have more leverage as a group of consumers.

If you are willing to band together with me and pledge your support to this BBB campaign please thank this post so I can have a head count tomorrow during my conversation with the Samsung corporate BBB lawyer.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] TBacker:
Removed
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] tfly212:
Some of these posts sound like this is the first item in history where unexpected demand exceeded supply and the product is backordered....and that Samsung is deliberately trying to screw people over for the fun of it.

I will keep an eye on the status of my backorder but I am not quite ready to petition the white house or hold a telethon over this.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] TBacker:
I think the disgust stems from the apparent tiny size of the original production run, and the rumored tiny size of the subsequent runs. They seem either totally unaware of the size of the developer/root community, don't see the ROI in catering to them (us), or are throttling production intentionally for other reasons.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] mrlaigle:
I'm sure there is some agreement with Verizon on the amount of phones they can sell. This has been the exact same limited qualities since the existence of the developer device. Samsung does not sell any other device, everything else goes through the carrier.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] triton302:
How long has everyone been trying to order the Dev model? I've been trying for the past week with no success. Hell, I've signed up for the backorder emails with three different email addresses, lol.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] zman2107:
The day after they sold out maybe day of
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] DavidMT909:
LOL, I did the same with I believe four emails. I was hoping if they see more back orders they might order more, and faster thinking there is even more interest, and lessening the possibility of them running out of stock on some of us since so many of us are actually waiting for them.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] TBacker:
If they allowed true pre-ordering, maybe the cash on the table would motivate them, and they would have an accurate picture of how many they should produce.

Alas, we are a minority and must wait for our slivers of opportunity...
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] oneandroidnut:
Lol cash on table yeah the .00000000001% yeah they don't care this thread is so stupid from this and from calling Samsung etc that's probably why they haven't released them. They get stupid calls instead of being patient. I want one as bad as the next guy I'm tired of this g3 but I know if I call I'm wasting my time and their time. You can do nothing about it just have to wait it out
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] TBacker:
Thank you for spending time reading and posting on this "stupid thread" to say how stupid this thread is.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] mrlaigle:
Giving Samsung money to invest by preordering before they have to deliver product would do the opposite of motivate . It's not like a 3rd party holds the cash and waves it in Samsung s face. Samsung gets to bank and invest it and still does not have to shell out the inventory costs. Pre-orders are a win win for a corporation.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] fz798:
The numbers don't support that...

Let's say even if there were a thousand pre-orders (and there's probably nowhere near that many, but let's just say) ... at $700 each, that's 700K .... Samsung drops more than 700K in loose change between the seat cushions.

It's not the money. It's probably not anything to do with inability to meet production runs etc either, most probably, it's pushback from Big Red... VZW doesn't want these devices in the wild, if they'd had their druthers, there would be none, but Samsung probably made it a requirement of the deal to offer VZW the model in their lineup.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] tom1226:
I'd say the fact that Verizon and AT&T branded devices are the only retail devices that are unlockable supports your theory. Verizon certainly doesn't want devices out in the wild that aren't under their control.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] Kevins89notch:
Anyone notice this wording on the page where you would order the Developer Edition?

"THIS DEVICE HAS NOT BEEN AUTHORIZED AS REQUIRED BY THE RULES OF THE FEDERAL COMMUNICATIONS COMMISSION. THIS DEVICE IS NOT, AND MAY NOT BE, OFFERED FOR SALE OR LEASE, OR SOLD OR LEASED, UNTIL AUTHORIZATION IS OBTAINED. "

Has that always been there?
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] igknight:
I've noticed it, it has always been there.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] TBacker:
Did a search on the FCC database when I saw that a few days ago. All Note 4's were certified at the same time in September.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] igknight:
Dont think they could be sold legally without the FCC's OK.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] mrlaigle:
In unrelated news... my coin came today.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] urmcgwy:
Nice! After a few Kickstarter fails I was afraid to back it since they charged your card immediately... Good to see it wasn't vaporware!

Sent from my unlocked and rooted Verizon Galaxy Note 4 DE!
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] VirgilWoods:
I spoke with Samsung corporate today and that resulted in nothing but a promise for a followup from the appropriate channels. What a waste of time but I'll report anything new tomorrow.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] manbat:
Anyone else getting Security Policy update prompts? I denied auto updates and froze the Security Update apk......The update disappeared from the Playstore / My Apps after freezing :) Did anyone take the update?

Sent from my SM-N910V / VZW Note 4 DE / Rooted / TWRP 2.8.1.1 trltevzw
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] commissionerg:
I've taken both updates, but I'm a security buff. I got back ups if anything goes wrong, but so far I've seen no ill results from taking it.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] jal3223:
Any update to a developers edition by Samsung is shocking.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] Kevins89notch:
With still no word from Samsung about more developer editions, and now the Nexus is out, I'm tempted to jump ship. I like my Note, but I really want root.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] Castanoff:
Yeah... I jumped, root is a must for me and I cant wait any longer.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] Poloasis:
I'm having second thoughts my self too. I should of stayed with the note 3 until.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] jpcalhoun:
Yeah I got one this morning from the Play Store. I took it with no damage to root or bootloader. In the past the security updates that come through the Play Store are safe to install and have no effect on root or bootloader. They are simply an update to the security setting app that comes on the phone. I experienced the same thing with my previous DE S4 and S5. The OTA updates are a different story all together. Those are the updates that you do not want to take until someone, a trusted agent (guru or developer), has taken a look at them and determines that the OTA will not lock the bootloader. Dev owners just need to keep in mind that Samsung has never sent out an OTA update for their Developer Edition phones...never. So, an OTA from Samsung may be nice for the retail version of the Note 4, but it could be disastrous for the Developer Edition Note 4 in that it could lock your bootloader. And, I don't trust the theory that if you're rooted and running a custom recovery an OTA update will fail when trying to install. I just don't trust Samsung or Verizon to NOT find a way around that.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] Boss428man:
I have a Dev Note 4 and keep getting a security update in my notification bar. I don't know what to do. I can't believe all updates would be bad but I do not want to risk root or unlocked bootloader. It doesn't say much about what the security update is or doing... Hope someone can chime in and share the result or what it might be.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] jpcalhoun:
The update you see in your notification bar is alerting you to an update available through the Play Store. It is not an OTA update that will effect your root or bootloader. Go to Play Store, click on My Apps and see if the Samsung Security Update shows up. I'll bet it does, and that is what is giving you the alert in your notification bar. I took the update this morning it had no effect on root or bootloader.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] jal3223:
I've got some good news for those lucky enough to already have a device in hand. [MENTION=5451734]megalomanic14[/MENTION], the guy responsible for FireKatN4 (here:http://xdaforums.com/note-4-tmobile/development/firekatn4v1-4-4-4-tw-anj7-extremely-t2916463 has agreed that he would re-base his rom to work on the Verizon Note 4. He requested for me to shoot him a pm so that he could see if he could get this thing going. I haven't been lucky enough to get my hands on one yet, so I was going to see if one of you guys could help out.

There is a ton of talk about how fluid and stable this rom in the unified general section if you want to check it out. If any of you guys could help him out with what he needs it would be awesome.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] tom1226:
Awesome, good to hear that at least one dev has taken interest in helping us out. I'd be first in line to contribute however he needs...except my device is currently on a plane back to Samsung for work :crying:
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] oneandroidnut:
At least you own a dev ed they are still on backorder :(
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] tom1226:
I know, that's why it killed me to send it in for service to Samsung. My retail unit FLEW, and the dev unit just...didn't. Comparing them next to each other was a night and day difference in performance; I'm hoping when they open it up it's obviously a bad chip or something that they can just swap and send back to me. I requested they replace the device, but they said they don't have any stock for replacements either since they're so backordered.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] oneandroidnut:
yeah i wonder why the dev isnt in stock still? you might not get one back until stock is replenished if they replace it
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] tom1226:
Yeah, they straight up told me no because of sticking issues when i initially asked for a replacement. So im not too worried about that haha i just hope they arent like "nope, didnt find any issues here"
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] oneandroidnut:
Yeah they didn't say why they had no stock did they?
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] tom1226:
Nope, nothing more than the typical "we had a lot of demand for it, and are expecting to have more units in stock soon"
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] Kevins89notch:
I'll keep checking multiple times a day. :(
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] oneandroidnut:
shucks

and me too its a bookmark lol and i know somebody with one that bought dev ed off swappa i may just buy from them haha i need one bad
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] LagunaTechie:
What ever happened to the message:

"The item you have chosen is currently out of stock and will be placed on back order. You will not be charged for the back order. If you wish to proceed, you will receive notification via email regarding the status of availability. Please allow us 4 weeks to receive the item you have chosen.

4 weeks? Thats coming up pretty soon, I ordered on November 3rd.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] oneandroidnut:
I found it unsure what to do right now. may keep retail note 4 for now. concerned about dev ed note 4 not getting lollipop
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] skillzo1:
Got it thank you very much.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] jpcalhoun:
If they treat the Note 4 the same way as they (Sammy) has treated the S4 and S5 Developer Editions there will never be an update from Sammy or Verizon. If you flash a retail update it will lock your bootloader. I had the S4 Dev Edition and now have the S5 Dev Edition and the only way to keep them updated is to wait for a developer to post a ROM based off of the most recent Sammy released factory ROM. May be things will change for the Note...but I wouldn't hold your breath.

I personally don't think they'll start selling the Note 4 Dev until they have released Lollipop or OTA updated the S5 and other devices sometime in December. If I'm correct, the Note 4 will then be shipped with Lollipop.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] Boss428man:
Just talked to Corp. They are saying that the Note 4 Developer Edition is going to populate on the site later today 10/27. The reason the page went down was not a supply limit it was an web team issue.

Just a heads up on what I heard.

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I'd think that fixing a Verizon L rom for a developer edition is a heck of a lot less of a head ache then finding loop holes for root / and or unlocking the boot loader. We need to get introduced to some of the Developers, find out if what they are working on, think, want to. We are like the peasants down by the stream they are the wizards working up on the mountain. We need to get a line of dialogue going with them.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] jpcalhoun:
I've never had a Note so I don't know how populated the developer community is for previous Note devices. With a dev edition all you need to get started is a custom recovery (TWRP) which you can ODIN and a version of SuperUser or SU. That gets you rooted with a custom recovery and awaiting a ROM. If there is a good developer community working on the Note, it usually doesn't take them long to take a retail OTA (in this case to "L") and "fix" it so that a Developer Edition Note can flash it safely (without locking the bootloader). The key here, never, never take an OTA with on a Dev Edition phone on Verizon, it will lock your bootloader and Samsung will not fix it for you. Maybe the Note 4 Dev Edition will go on sale with "L", if that is the case I will order one today!!!
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] oneandroidnut:
The issue is there wont be many devs on it i dont believe. samsung doesnt provide stock tar files for the dev devices. interested to see what kind of knox is on the dev too
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] jpcalhoun:
I understand your point. The S5 and S4 dev devices didn't have a lot of developer support, but it did have a few that kept us up to date. Both my S4 and S5 dev devices came with Knox. The first thing we all did when rooted was to delete Knox and a couple of associated files, with no adverse effect. The ROMs that did follow all had Knox eliminated as part of the ROM. I'm not so interested in flashing ROMs, but I would like "L", a custom recovery like TWRP and root.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] mrlaigle:
Just placed my order! Overnight shipping. Worked like a charm that's to the original are of this `hole'.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] skillzo1:
You guys got a co formation that its shipped? Alls i got was my order number. But i didnt do overnight.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] jpcalhoun:
Got a link?"
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] GirLuvsDroid:
With a little reading on the last couple of pages, you would be able to find this, but I'll make it easy for you: http://webcache.googleusercontent.c...sung.com/us/mobile/cell-phones/SM-N910VMKEVZW
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] mrlaigle:
I had backorder it. Logged into account on my phone. Using Chrome. Checked to see orders and it showed nothing. Clicked cart. Item was there. Gave money. Profit.

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That way looks to work as well!
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] jpcalhoun:
Thank you. I'd love to order this, but I think I am going to wait until they ship with Lollipop. I'm not familiar with the Note developer community so I'm not sure how long it will take one of them to post a ROM that has a Lollipop base. Good luck with yours. Please keep us posted as to available custom recoveries (TWRP) and a working SuperUser. The current version of TWRP and SuperUser might just work on the Note 4 with 4.4. It will be interesting to see.

PS: I did read the last couple of pages, in fact I have read every post in this thread. I was so excited to see your last post about getting a conformation and order that I forgot you provided a link. But, thanks for making it easy for me. You're so special.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] Boss428man:
I will be ordering later today. I'm excited because the root, and basic rom things are probably things that I could even learn with the right developer help. Unlocking a boot loader and tricking root to work on a self destructing Verizon system... That is way beyond my reach. Hope for the best, at the worst I could just flash a stock Verizon rom and turn into a locked Verizon wanna be.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] mrlaigle:
Do you have any idea how long it will be until vzw releases lollipop?? The note 5 will be put before that...
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] jpcalhoun:
I don't have any idea except that Samsung said they would be updating the S5 in December. I assume, and it is just that...an assumption, that as soon as Samsung updates the S5 then the Note 4 should not be far behind. The problem with the Developer Edition Note 4, as stated previously, is that Samsung will not release a Lollipop update for the Developer Edition Note 4 that ships with KitKat 4.4. They have never released updates to the S4 or the S5 developer editions. If we buy a Note 4 Developer Edition now we may have to wait a couple of months to get a developer to release a Lollipop based ROM. It might just be worth the wait...I'm considering it.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] EMSpilot:
Thank You

Thank You my Note 4 Dev Phone is on order!!!

Don't worry folks. This phone will be rooted, modded and one of the best phones out there soon!! Be patient!!!

Enjoy!!!
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] jpcalhoun:
Thank you again. I just ordered mine. Should be here tomorrow....yeah I took the overnight delivery option. I have faith in the developer community to take care of us when it comes to development of a number of Lollipop based ROMs for us to get from 4.4 to 5.x.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] davpel:
If any of you who are switching to the dev edition want to sell me your retail version, I'm looking to buy!
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] Boss428man:
Just ordered mine as well. Looking forward!
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] tfly212:
Oct 23rd for me...guess I will see what happens in the next couple of days.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] Poloasis:
Message from Samsung Back Order email:

The item(s) on this backorder request are expected to be back in stock within 4 weeks. Should your product become available within this time period, you will receive an e-mail notification with further instructions to complete your order. You will need to then login to Samsung and finalize your order online at: http://sso-us.samsung.com/sso/secure/urlAction?targetUrl=http://www.samsung.com/us/support/account