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[P3300, MDA Compact III  upgrading etc.] ojster21:
Rebooting again!

Yeah,my mistake. I spoke too soon!

It did settle down for a bit. But it does keep looping, but now it even does it at random times, I haven't installed anything for a while but it's really unstable.

Your right about the 'OK' thing in the top corner it does disappear.

But I have the additional problem, which is on another thread with the 2gb storage card getting garbled unless I soft reset the device- my device often gets into a loop after I soft reset to get my sd card data back (especially after using TomTom or Rescoe explorer) - i thought i'd fixed that too, cos the phone behaved perfectly for a week...and then it all went horribly wrong again!

Do these these storage card and rebooting problems happen on ALL orbits? Or should I just replace my handset?
[P3300, MDA Compact III  upgrading etc.] 2020vision:
I removed these two programs and...

Hi All,

it's been a while since I posted here but I have found (so far) that

when I un-installed SPB Pocketplus and Resco keyboard my XDA Orbit has

NOT EVEN ONCE gone into the re-booting loop! I may try O2 plus?

I am also now happily running too many programs to list - all with no

apparent problem other than the storage card issue below.

Because of this I am not going to use them again until I feel very brave

and patient? Also I have the problem of garbled files and folders on my

2gb Sandisk (made in Taiwan) storage card, bought from USA on Ebay?

At the moment it reads 5.37gb! The garbled files are NOT deleteable and

have a file size up to 1.450gb! Does any one have an answer to this yet?

But so far my programs are running OK, fingers crossed. I shall see if anyone

finds a definite answer to this by following other threads.

Hope this is informative, all the best - Michael :)
[P3300, MDA Compact III  upgrading etc.] hb328_dtdd:
This is the way to put CORRECT pressure on the memory card:

put the memory card in and make sure the flap clicks into place and does not bounce back up.

put the sim flap down and make sure it is clicked firmly in place.

once above steps are done get an EXTRA simcard and place it on the sim gate directly above the active sim.

carefully put battery back in and hold in place with finger whilst replacing back cover.

all should be fine
[P3300, MDA Compact III  upgrading etc.] uniqueboy:
I have been installing loads of stuff on my orbit and a couple of times it has gone into this reset loop you guys are on about. I was wondering if anyone knows if this issue would persist after a hard reset and restore. I have spb backup, recently installed, but I have never needed to restore. It never happened before the last 3 things I installed: Magic Button, CLauncher, and spb shell, which I would hate to uninstall any of.
[P3300, MDA Compact III  upgrading etc.] footleftdesign:
2020vision

HI 2020VISION............

I KNOW THE SOLUTION.........ITS EASY.

JUST REMOVE TOMTOM's Start FILE FROM MINISD CARD THATS IT.......THIS WILL ALLOW YOUR POCKETPC TO STOP REBOOTING....U R DONE....IF U STILL CAN'T DO IT ......I'LL EXPLAIN U A BIT MORE IN MY NEXT POST AND U DON'T NEED TO HARD RESET YOUR POCKETPC...........HAVE FUN..........

FOOTLEFT

'DESIGN TO DO THE JOB'.
[P3300, MDA Compact III  upgrading etc.] 2020vision:
Sounds simple but...

May I ask if ALL the others with this same problem also

have TOMTOM installed? I was beginning to think that it

could have had something to do with one or more SPB programs

as these are seeming to be a common link? What do others think?

Will certainly test what you say when/if it happens again.

Thanks - Michael :)

P.S. Could you still leave your detailed explanation anyway? Ta.
[P3300, MDA Compact III  upgrading etc.] BUSPBP:
I've had this problem once a while ago. At that time I was installing a lot of different programs and the one caused the problem was probably HTC X-Button. I was so scary that I hard reset and reinstalled things without it.

Yesterday the same problem occured after I ran Spb Backup. This time I tried with a simple solution by removing the MicroSD card and installing it back. This did help. I ran Spb Backup without a problem.

So I guess this may have something to do with a vulnerability of the Orbit to low-level software.

I'll keep an eye to see if this would happen again.

BUSPBP
[P3300, MDA Compact III  upgrading etc.] BUSPBP:
Well, it's definitely Spb backup in my case (version 1.5.5), because it has just happened again after I ran it to back-up my Orbit. I've overcome the rebooting by putting the SD card to an external reader and deleting Spb backup folder in Program Files.

How's others' experience, please?

BUSPBP
[P3300, MDA Compact III  upgrading etc.] PJ6363:
Hello all,

I have the same problem with my Orbit in that it keeps rebooting continually AFTER I have made a backup with Spb Backup 1.5.5 My intention is to grade down to 1.5 to see if I can resolve...to me, it appears to be the the culprit, but not sure! I think the Spb products are excellent, but this has stumpped me! When it does start the "looping" I break out of it by pressing the OK button/menu dropdown/on randomly then off key....this breaks the cycle after about 4-5 reboots

This is a definate pain, but at least I don't have to reinstall myt s/w

BTW, have not tried to retrieve a backup yet :eek:

Hope someone can fis this "bug" soon.......
[P3300, MDA Compact III  upgrading etc.] PJ6363:
Hello again,

Just to confirm that once Spb backup removed, then no more of the ctys rebooting...FOR ME the issue is definately Spb Backup version 1.5.5. Next I will try the "older" version 1.5.0. Did not have to delete or replace anything on the storage card (have tried installs to main mem and SC, no difference!).

Keep you posted......:cool:
[P3300, MDA Compact III  upgrading etc.] 2020vision:
I actually use SPB backup

Hi All,

It's been a while since I have been here but a quick update

on how things are going for me....

I use SPB backup (Version 1.5.0) with NO problems at all. :D

Of course I shall NOT upgrade to V1.5.5.

I have NOT bothered to re-install Resco Keyboard OR SPB

Pocketplus. I have installed even more programs and guess what?

STILL NO RE-BOOT LOOP - Hooray!!!!

It's been quite a while now with NO PROBLEMS at all!

Dare I bother with the above programs again? - I think not

to be honest. At one time I was going crazy with this.

It would be interesting to see how others are getting on though?

Lastly may I say I have NOT cured the MicroSD card "rubbish"

problem though, I am still awaiting e definitive answer?

The removal or extra pressure tricks did not work for me. :confused:

Take care, all the best and thanks, Michael :)
[P3300, MDA Compact III  upgrading etc.] BUSPBP:
I can confirm from my experience that SKTools 3.1.3 (newest) is another program that causes the rebooting loop in my O2 XDA Orbit. So my list now includes:

1. HTC X-button

2. Spb Backup 1.5.5

3. SKTools 3.1.3

BUSPBP
[P3300, MDA Compact III  upgrading etc.] JC#79:
To be honest I don't believe its anyone program causing this issue it has happened to me regarding different programs and I have now installed all programes again and have no problem using them all. That includes Resco keyboard, pocket mechanic, resco explorer, and many more.

All I found was that when I installed them I made sure nothing else was running when doing the install and that all installs were completed fully and all is now working well (touch wood) :D

So I wouldn't suggest not using programs you have paid for just install them first or ensure that they are installed properly.
[P3300, MDA Compact III  upgrading etc.] fubofo:
HeyI too have SPBBackup installed, and I have had a few reset loops after restoring a backup, also ActivSync wotn recognize my device after a restore. My Storage Card has even completely disappeared from file explorer lol. As for the garbled files on the card, I got rid of them by formatting the card using FAT and started again.
[P3300, MDA Compact III  upgrading etc.] fubofo:
Doing a bit of testing. Bearing mind I only started getting a reset loop after performing a restore using SPBBackup. Ive inserted my SD card into PC and moved all files/folders to my desktop then deleted from SD card (I had all programs installed on the card)..."Please lord dnt have a harddisk failure now :( " . MY Orbit now still resets with absolutely no programs on the card and the card inserted. It gets to loading the today screen then just resets. Without the card in it works perfectly:

with SD and programs - RESET LOOP

with SD card and no programs - RESET LOOP

without SD card - WORKS PERFECT

So to test if its an issue with programs or with my SD card I created a folder on my PPC called \Storage Card\Programs and copied the proggies to it one by one without the card inserted (as the registry keys for installed programs point to \Storage Card\Programs) and reset the PPC each time:

PPC and all programs running fine

So assuming that all programs arent causing the reset and that there are reg problems on the PPC itself, last thing it leaves is.... the SD card. Time for a quick format (remembering to delete the \Storage Card folder first), FAT..default allocation..quick format, now to insert the blank card and see........mysteriously the PPC goes back to a reset loop with a freshly formatted SD, hmm lets remove it again.. tadaa works perfect. So Im guessing its an issue with the PPC reading the SD.

to summarise:

restored backup using SPBBackup (v1.5 i think)

PPC reset looping

removing SD card solves issue - formatting card has no affect

Is it possible that after restoring a backup with SPBBackup, it creates something in registry of PPC, or even removes/replaces something, that causes a conflict with the SD card ??

Gonna hard reset " Why oh why :mad: " with SD inserted and start from scratch. Not surprisingly everything works fine. Now the annoying task of reinstalling everything and trying to re-sync and get my contacts back lol.

Hope any of this info helps, any feedback is much appreciated in case of future problems.
[P3300, MDA Compact III  upgrading etc.] uniqueboy:
Just had the same loop problem myself tonight. What a pain in the arse. I wound up having to hard reset twice before getting it all sorted out, then just a couple of things to tweak. After I restored my orbit with spb backup everything booted up fine first time. I later made a fresh backup and soft reset and again loop, this time only about five cycles. Very frustrating.

I think all our problems are caused by the poor quality of our os and we need a new one for free with bells on now.
[P3300, MDA Compact III  upgrading etc.] AcapulcoRolf:
I have the same continuous reboot issue whenever I reset my device. I've had my device for about 2 weeks now and the reboot repetition issue is starting to drive me nuts!

I've so far resisted doing a hard reset when this happens as eventually the device does come out of the continuous reboot cycle and "come back to life" if left long enough. I need to do a count, but on average it will reboot about half a dozen times or so before "coming back to life".

On one occasion so far the device has rebooted by itself just after I powered the device back on from suspend. Other than that the reboot issue only occurs after I do a manual soft reset.

For reference here are the version numbers from the boot up screen

1.25.0001

1.25.0000

02.67.90

1.25.0.0

I've included here the applications I have installed on the device and the startup apps that I have

Hopefully, we'll eventually recognise a pattern and come up with a fix...
[P3300, MDA Compact III  upgrading etc.] uniqueboy:
I have noticed that when my device eventually boots up some of my today items are missing. Also it is whilst trying to display the today screen that it f**ks up. If I only see the little o2 icon (bottom left) and not the comm manager or battery icon then I know its still looping. Tonight I will try removing all my today items and then reset. I am using spb backup version 1.5.1, build 2432, but I don't think the issue is with any one piece of software, but more with the crappy os, spb backup is the same piece of code on any machine, for example why then does it not f**k up on a uni or my old magician? The fault must be in the os.

Bring on wm6.
[P3300, MDA Compact III  upgrading etc.] AcapulcoRolf:
I actually did this today. I disabled all of the today screen plugins and did a soft reset

First I used SKtools to do the reset

I still had the continuous reboot cycle although, the device did two reboot cycles rather than the half a dozen or so it usually does.

Later on, after several hours, I then did a soft reset using the stylus and the device came back after just one reboot cycle.

It seems clear to me that it may be one of the today screen plugins that's causing a conflict on startup

I run with the following startup plugins

Date

BatteryStatus (see my previous post for the one I use)

Windows Live

Messaging

Egress

Calendar

uniqueboy, it would be interesting to learn from your experience with this too.
[P3300, MDA Compact III  upgrading etc.] uniqueboy:
Hi AcapulcoRolf, Have just removed all my today items and got my restart down to four cycles. Will try again later when my kids are in bed. It occurred to me that at least one cycle might be necessary to clear itself. Last night I eventually just went to bed leaving my orbit looping as much as it wanted and thankfully it had sorted itself out when I got up this morning, except for an unusual missing battery status plugin. Usually it is sim switcher which is missing.

On my today screen I usually have spb shell, battery status, gprs monitor, last caller, tomtom, sim switcher.
[P3300, MDA Compact III  upgrading etc.] AcapulcoRolf:
I've just now disabled all of my today screen plugins and have used

SKTools to do a soft reset and my device is now on it's 6th reboot cycle!

So much for the theory that it may have been a today screen plugin

ho hum...
[P3300, MDA Compact III  upgrading etc.] uniqueboy:
Just couldn't keep my finger off the button for five seconds, lost count at least ten cycles.

So if not the today conflict then something else in the start up.

Can someone please explain what the precise reset/start up cycle consists of, what is the order of processes, maybe if there was a way to insert more time to give each process more space to do its' thing.

Give us a new rom please htc.
[P3300, MDA Compact III  upgrading etc.] uniqueboy:
I left my orbit resetting for over 12 hours last night and it never booted up. Tried everything I could think of to break the cycle, pushing every which button at various times, tried phoning myself up and got it to ring once before it was off again.

Hard reset followed by spb restore and it is ok for now. Why then does it boot up fine following a restore and reset? It is a bit annoying, so any ideas on how the reset loop could be stopped would be very welcome.

Also I have noticed a couple of mysterious icons on the partly drawn today screen, just before it resets again, where the comm manager icon should, be that I don't recognize.

Wm6 please HTC
[P3300, MDA Compact III  upgrading etc.] BUSPBP:
I did have to HR my Orbit the first time I got that problem. But then the quicker solution was to remove the SD card, inserting it to an external reader and delete the installed folder of the suspicious program causing the reset loop (in my case so far it has been Spb Backup, SKTools, OmegaOne 1-Calc).

Re-inserting the SD card to your device would allow you to boot as normal, followed by uninstalling the problematic software.

BUSPBP
[P3300, MDA Compact III  upgrading etc.] iforwms:
yeah i found that to work too, but only as a temp measure. if i needed to soft reset again, it would just go back into the loop. if you then uninstall another prog using your method it works again, but eventually you'll end up with none of ur progs installed! i also found that it works fine once the sd card is taken out, but strangely i left the card out for a few days, didn't uninstall any progs, or modify any of the files on the card and when i put it in again everything worked fine... until of course tomtom froze and i had to soft reset :(
[P3300, MDA Compact III  upgrading etc.] uniqueboy:
What if I were to just rename the folders of sus programs, reset then name them back again?

Is this problem related to the storage card corruption problem?

wm6 please HTC
[P3300, MDA Compact III  upgrading etc.] iforwms:
i dont think thats really a viable solution. if the phone hangs again, and you have to reset, then it will start loops again as you have set the folder names back to default.

one way to stop the looping i think is to never soft reset the device. e.g. tomtom froze today, and instead of soft resetting, i held the power button for 5 seconds, switched it off and then on again. the phone booted up normally, not one loop. maybe its an issue with a soft reset while you have an sd card installed....
[P3300, MDA Compact III  upgrading etc.] AcapulcoRolf:
For what it's worth I thought I'd post this update re: continuous rebooting

I've so far had this experience since the weekend:

The Windows Live beta ran out at the weekend.

Initially I thought there might be a problem with it, so I uninstalled it and re-installed to try to get it working until I realised the beta had expired.

I've now uninstalled the Windows live application and since this I've had not one problem with rebooting my device

I'm not sure if others also have Windows live installed but you may want to try uninstalling it and see whether this makes a difference

I can't be sure that it's this application that's caused the reboot problems in the first place but it's the only change to my device that I've made since the weekend and now all is well!
[P3300, MDA Compact III  upgrading etc.] PJ6363:
Re-boot loop...again!

Just to add to my saga with the re-boot loops. I thought I had traced the problem to spb backup, hence began using sprite backup. Well I got the dreaded boot loop again last night...how it happened:

1. After leaving the Orbit on charge, picked it up to use and noticed that on the today screen was a message saying that "the storage card could not be located", or words to that effect. This has happened before and usually I reboot device and all was well. This time I thought I would check to see if my 2GB card was loose (or whatever)....put all back together and the dreaded loop again!

2. Prepared for this; so hard reset and went to a sprite backup file to restore all....NOTE: I have all programs that do not need to be to main memory (PI2007) stored to card...(spb programs, memmaid, etc)

3. First backup file (have numerous) would not install correctly "windows/plusreminder.exe" issue, older backup same, etc

Looks like I have to rebuild the device as sprite backup could not retore my device......

Firstly...I think the issue is now with the microSD card access, and installed programs to same. Do backup programs have issues when programs are installed to the memory card?

Sorry to say no answers now, just bad experiences...any useful input greatfully looked for!!

However, Given the device has limited main memory, and we have to use memory cards for programs etc I think it would be wise for some of the backup program developers to get their act together.....but then why do I have to rely on backups every week?.....surely the bigger issue is that many people have this problem with this orbit and/or its op system!!

Oh well...had my rant now, back to a full rebuild!!!
[P3300, MDA Compact III  upgrading etc.] PJ6363:
OK, have got my Xda Orbit functioning again without a re-build and have isolated a few issues:

After reading fubofo trials and tribulations with his microSD card I went and did the following:

1. Figured that SKTools (recently added to programs installed to SD card) could be a culprit, so deleted this program from Programs directory on SD card with PC.

2. Restored a recent backup with Sprite Backup, which worked with no reboots :)

3. Once rebooted safely, then Uninstalled SKTools using uninstaller and deleted any remanents of same program

4. Made a new backup with Sprite (for test) which worked OK...so far!

It looks like a number of programs (Spb backup, SKTools) have issues with running of the SD card, and the developers are unaware of this issue conflicting with something on Xda Orbits. I do not dare install SKTools to the Main memory for trial (had enough!!) but perhaps someone else might dare! Perhaps "someone who knows someone" can pass this one for further tests?
[P3300, MDA Compact III  upgrading etc.] daveparki:
not sure if this helps, unlike my wizard (o2 mini s ) when i have installed a program i had to soft reset manually to finish the installation, however i have found my orbit does it automatically,i must admit it only reboots after loading programs, and not on its own for no reason, hope this sheds some light, regards
[P3300, MDA Compact III  upgrading etc.] uniqueboy:
No visible SD card this morning.

Close all everything.

Switch off with power button.

Switch on again.

Here we go loopy loo.

Wait till first splash screen appears.

Hit reset.

Repeat with slightly different timing, untill unit switches off.

Switch on with power button.

Everything is sweet.

How do you make a backup without a reset?
[P3300, MDA Compact III  upgrading etc.] PJ6363:
Backups to mitigate reboot loops...

Hello all,

As far as I know (in using Sprite backup & spb backup) these programs require the device to re-boot to make a backup. I always now have a self-extractable "working" backup on my micro-sd card that I can use if I indavertantly install one of the "loopy loop" programs. My orbit has been triggered into re-boot locks by sktools and spb backup, hence I dont use these any longer. Sprite backup seems to work OK for me to date.....:eek:

As an aside, I would recommend anyone who owns a PDA device to get a backup program that

works for them

, as these programs have saved my bacon many many many times!!
[P3300, MDA Compact III  upgrading etc.] bdangol:
spb p:mad:cket plus is the problem
[P3300, MDA Compact III  upgrading etc.] Theo001:
Sorry,

but it's not (or at least not only) spb Pocket Plus as I don't have that program installed and I have the loop problem.

Regards

Theo
[P3300, MDA Compact III  upgrading etc.] BUSPBP:
I now tend to belive that this is not Software problem though the rebooting did happen with certain software.

As I've read the article about problem associated with SD card caused by Windows Mobile settings set by Hardware OEM producers (HTC in this case), which is the very reason for the SD card corruption on Artemis, I now suspect that this is also the reason for the unstopable rebooting problem.

You can read more about it here: http://blogs.msdn.com/windowsmobile/archive/2007/01/12/everything-you-want-to-know-about-sd.aspx

So certain programs may have no problem with other PPCs, but they may have some memory reading conflict with the Artemis caused by the PnPUnloadDelay setting in the Artemis ROM. This is more convincing to me after I found that installing certain program, which used to be problematic, to the main memory instead of to the SD card did help.

I cannot fully verify this yet but maybe with your testing we can have some proved theory.

BUSPBP