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[Xperia Z3 General] Drzfr3shboialex:
I'm excited to see their UI with lollipop, hope material design is the biggest influence. Only features I'm really looking forward to is being to write on sd cards again as well as project volta. Everything else is a nice update.
[Xperia Z3 General] herzzreh:
Umm... Fix from Google is due in February. Makes perfect sense. I'd rather wait for bugs to be ironed out.
[Xperia Z3 General] Dwayne01:
Isn't Sony's update going to be 5.0?

The fix will be in 5.1, so it seems like we will be waiting again? Unless Sony incorporate it, but with how long its taken for this im kind of sceptical.
[Xperia Z3 General] robimarko:
Since 5.1 will essentially 5.0.2 with bugfixes incorporating it is quick once they have done 5.0.

Just like update from 5.0 to 5.0.1
[Xperia Z3 General] Richie5767:
Lol they had products announced. It was just not what we expected. A $1200 audiophile walkman, super thin 4k TVs, or a new Sony watch? No thanks (I wish I could afford their TVs though). I'm sure they are saving the Z4 for MWC, but they had to do something for phone users. We've been expecting lollipop for quite some time.
[Xperia Z3 General] jonmorris:
I did mean mobile product announcements, but always expected it would be more about TVs, cameras etc. Same as at IFA. MWC is the big one.
[Xperia Z3 General] poldie:
It's interesting that it's taking so long. It's been out months, and Sony would have had access to the source even before the public. I wonder if they're trying to fix problems Google themselves haven't yet addressed.
[Xperia Z3 General] cschmitt:
I thinks it's worth the wait for an incremental release that doesn't have all the bugs of 5.0.
[Xperia Z3 General] Flockrock:
Rather wait. I think Sony trys to fix bugs and hopefully optimizes everything.

The phone works with 4.4.4. too, so it's not that important to get it that fast.
[Xperia Z3 General] jonmorris:
I'm still waiting on Motorola to update my Moto G (2013 and 2014 models) and Moto E, so perhaps there's a pause while various bugs are fixed.

If people are hoping for 'Project Volta' to make the battery life awesome (even though the Z3 is already excellent) then don't be. My Nexus 5 and LG G3 each have worse battery life now. The exception is when you have the battery save mode on, and you get the horrid orange background on the status/navigation key bars - which limits performance.

It seems that in 'normal' mode, my G3 in particular is draining even when doing absolutely nothing. I certainly don't want my Z3 ending up like that.
[Xperia Z3 General] danw_oz:
Yeah, after the flogging they got on all media outlets I am not surprised that they were not willing to put other date ranges out there
[Xperia Z3 General] Webern:
I don't think "the media" (such as it is) cares whether they stick to the dates they promise; it's just that sony have taken ages and the other companies have already released it.
[Xperia Z3 General] Huey85:
Might be a dumb question but are FTF usually made available for download first or OTAs?
[Xperia Z3 General] zombiej79:
At least its uploading so let's hope sooner then later
[Xperia Z3 General] abhinav.tella:
Forbes Magazine just did an online article on Android fragmentation/update times and they used the Z3 as their prime example lol.

"Sony's Lollipop Update Illustrates Android's Fundamental Flaw"

http://www.forbes.com/sites/ewanspe...update-illustrates-androids-fundamental-flaw/
[Xperia Z3 General] jsscx:
keep patient,though I've sold my z3c,but my z2 still here.:P
[Xperia Z3 General] aakash43:
So sony is the only brat child of google.
[Xperia Z3 General] unmaskedfalesh:
Slapped Sony on the face ?
[Xperia Z3 General] danw_oz:
No not the news paper, all their blogs, twitter...
[Xperia Z3 General] Sparksltd:
http://m.pocketnow.com/2015/03/12/sony-xperia-z3-lollipop-update

Well depending whether it's true or not you might be happy that it doesn't say "soon"
[Xperia Z3 General] realfelix:
We know that already ?

But still it's nice not to read "soon".
[Xperia Z3 General] Akiainavas:
I think this whole update fiasco spiraled out of control a bit... Sony is really not that late - most OEMs haven't delivered 5.0 yet, but that doesn't change the fact that they do have a point - 5.1 is out, and most phones still don't have 5.0 which was released almost a year ago. It's probably more about broken promises.

Google tried fighting fragmentation, forcing 90-days updates etc. and as we can see, all those efforts mostly failed. If an OS build that's more than 9 months old only has ~3% of its total market share, I think we can all agree this is a problem - and I know what you're going to say: "my Z3 runs great with 4.4.4, I don't need lollipop". Yes, this is generally true, but we're not talking about features, but mostly performance and security updates. If there's a critical security bug that's leaking all your personal data found in 5.0.2 a week after its roll-out, we will most likely wait at least a few months to have it fixed - I think that's what Forbes is actually saying, and I do agree that this is potentially a big issue and a fundamental flaw in the Android ecosystem - and Google seems to be out of options in this department.

But choosing Sony as a sole example while it's just one of MANY companies in the same situation still might be a bit harsh... should have never said february I guess. We all know the development process is as it is, and sometimes delays happens - that can't be avoided, but unfortunately this created yet another huge marketing and PR fiasco for Sony... and they seem to have quite a lot of those recently.

Anyway, hopefully the update will arrive next week and will be worth the wait - that would, at least, shed some positive light on Sony again.
[Xperia Z3 General] kernald:
While I mostly agree with you, I have to put a huge warning here. Android Lollipop has been released on November 3rd. The release date you're talking about (June 25th) was the developer preview (API 20, Lollipop 5.0 is 21). The code had many changes (and some breaking ones) between these two releases. For an OEM, starting to work off the 20 was a really stupid idea (and that's why you didn't saw any ROM earlier, they waited for API 21 source code).

Please, stop considering API 20 (L preview) and 21 (actual Lollipop 5.0 release) the same thing. They are not.
[Xperia Z3 General] Webern:
"The over the air update to the operating system is available to users of the Xperia Z2, Xperia Z3, and Xperia Z3c"

No it's not! I see they're falling for it too!

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Well, no. Clearly no-ones going to base a rom off API 20 code, but there's no reason not to start porting on that version and finish on 21 when it's available.

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Fragmentation isn't an issue. I don't know why people still bring that up. Yes, there are multiple screen layouts and different cpu power etc, but that's just like other aspects of modern development; for example, web design. You want a site to look nice on 12->30 inch monitors as well as phones and tablets. Deal with it. Spend a little time skinning for whatever version you're targeting if that's important (ie if you're not doing a game). 90 days updates? Must have missed that one; google would like phones to support Android versions released in the 18 months after a product is released but that doesn't always happen and it's not the end of the world. In terms of security, this is handled generally by google play services, which rolls out fixes to devices going back to v2.3.6 I believe. And if for some reason that's not possible - ie it's a manufacturer's problem, then they get to roll it out themselves, like Samsung did on the S3 with some memory problems. How is that a `fundamental problem`? That's how every manufacturer solves problems. How else can you do it? All engineering projects are a compromise. Google has taken a certain path which has ended up with them having the most popular mobile phone operating system in the world. The downsides are: the manufacturers of products using their os sometimes take a few extra months to port new operating systems, but this only bothers around 1% of users who were going to cry about something or other anyway. Out of options, huh? Yeah, ok - if you say so.
[Xperia Z3 General] unmaskedfalesh:
Off:: Another walkman update
[Xperia Z3 General] Akiainavas:
It's not about how many users are bothered with it. It's about the reliability of the operating system. and the ability to maintain it by developers. And yes, fragmentation is still an issue - but it shifted from screens/resolutions in regards to apps compatibility - to OS maintenance.

I do get your point and agree with it to some extent, but you seem to have completely skipped and ignored the bit about potential issues and security bugs - that's what this whole topic is about, not about crybabies wanting material design "NOW!" or simply having to satisfy their "latest version" needs.

If you look at the fact that that they managed - as a combined effort between Google and other companies - to get Lollipop on less than 3% of devices in 9 months ( less if you don't count API20 as pointed above ) and relate that to our hypothetical critical security issue - then yes, I would say, from a developer point of view - that it is, indeed, a fundamental problem. No amount of internal testing will ever prevent that from happening at some point in the future. Now I now, when a really big problem is found - they will obviously manage to push the update quicker, nobody is denying that, but I think the analogy still holds as hundreds of thousands of handsets will remain affected for months to come.

I agree that "Out of Options" might have been a poor choice of words - but as you're aware - I'm sure - Google has publicly admitted that this is an issue for them and committed to fixing this problem of the Android world and the latest OS version share data clearly shows they didn't manage to change a thing, and while 4.X version skyrocketed, this can be easily attributed to 2.X/3.X devices reaching the end of their lifecycles and people upgrading their phones because the latest build distribution percentage is lower then ever.

This obviously does not outweigh the advantages of Android OS and everything involved with it - but it is a potentially problematic matter that has yet to be actioned, not to mention - fixed.

So if Google is still committed to keeping Android devices up to date - they have a lot of work to do. But frankly speaking, I don't think they really care anymore - it's not like it's their responsibility, is it ? Unless they are worried about UI/User Experience as a long term market share driver. Let's not forget that while Android is indeed free - Google makes SH(*LOADS of money by selling apps, movies, music, services etc. And to do that, they need the market share.

I would still say that the center of the problem is OEMs abandoning devices or simply not putting enough effort into maintaining those countless devices they create. And since Android is free and open to anyone - Google has no direct control over anything, so OEMs can do whatever the hell they want. A shame they don't see updates/OS as a marketing thing - if they actually did compete on those grounds - and not more Mhz and better resolution, I think it would be amazing for all of us.
[Xperia Z3 General] abhinav.tella:
You may not consider fragmentation a problem but Google does, especially with many of the smaller companies rapidly gaining market share in third world countries over Samsung and other big names. Google wants a good user experience on all those devices or it impacts them as well not just the device manufacturers..... Also one of the reasons they said they won't certify hardware running versions more than 9 months old and also why they are pushing OEMs for faster updates after source release.

Who cares it's manufactures fault with updates/issues? Google cares because it affects them just as much...

"Android One is a standard created by Google for Android systems, mainly targeted at people buying their first smartphone, and customers in the developing world." -Wiki <- That is also an effort to fight fragmentation and give good user experience so that if people get another device, they will stick to Android.

Maybe you even forget how many people label Android as still laggy and slow due to Touchwiz lol, though Samsung sales are still very good.

I think most of us love Android as much as you do and yes it's got the largest marketshare, but Google wants Android to have a good reputation for long term market prospects.
[Xperia Z3 General] Akiainavas:
A lot of people I know actually refer to Android as "The galaxy" or "A samsung" just as they refer to iPhones/iOs as "I have an Apple phone". Definitely a valid point mate.
[Xperia Z3 General] Webern:
I don't think many potential smartphone buyers think "android is laggy". A very small percentage, I'd suggest. And as you can - and as you have pointed out - even supposing that were true, nobody seems to care very much. Because to the extent it IS true, it's the desktop, not the games/apps themselves. Also, your fragmentation example is odd; many people are still using old versions of android, and clearly that's having a limited impact on developers, who still manage to support old and new versions of the os. So what happens in the developing world is of little consequence here; developers will still support old and new. There are tools and APIs to help developers target different API levels, display resolutions etc; it's always been a problem exaggerated by people like Apple fanboys (ironic now, given the fact that Apple have conceded that not everyone wants a phone which is too small).

Don't get me wrong; it's disappointing that most people have 2+ year old versions of Android on their devices, or that you have to wait ages to get the newest version on even flagship phones. But it's just not a problem for Google or the Android device manufacturers or Android as a platform or developers or end users....just the small percentage of us who spend time on tech-related forums and the like who want the "new shiny".

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"you seem to have completely skipped and ignored the bit about potential issues and security bugs" Well, no - I addressed that by mentioning google play services, which rolls out fixes to old and new versions of android alike. They scan apps for malware/problems and can silently and remotely remove/disable them. If people used android devices as servers, running software from samsung, for example, and samsung didn't fix it, well then you'd have a problem. And samsung would have a problem, both PR-wise and potentially legally.

And as I've written elsewhere, most people don't know or care what version of android they have (a lot of them don't even know they've got android - they've got "a samsung") so the fact that only 3% have lollipop, or that more than half of android users have a pre-kitkat device clearly isn't affecting anything very much.
[Xperia Z3 General] Buddy Luh:
http://www.androidpit.com/xperia-z3-compact-android-update

So Androidpit is mentioning that Sony will be rolling out Android 5.0 instead of 5.0.1 or 5.0.2 or heck 5.1!

Good news to everybody right? I think Sony just hates us all *grumpy lump* Also I saw them kick a puppy once.

No good Sony.
[Xperia Z3 General] Prasad:
If they're right, all that sympathizing we did for Sony and their delays due to potential bugs and improvements was for naught.
[Xperia Z3 General] Webern:
I think that just means 5.0.x. I'm confident it won't be either 5.0.0 or 5.1. (They don't give a source for their 5.0 assertion, other than justaboutphones.com!)
[Xperia Z3 General] Arju:
That's not correct. Sony is releasing 5.0.2. In the menu it says 5.0 but it is running 5.0.2. It's been discussed before. I guess androidpit got it wrong this time.
[Xperia Z3 General] Prasad:
I feel the same. But if you read the article, it does explicitly mention not 5.0.1 or 5.0.2
[Xperia Z3 General] Webern:
Yeah, but justaboutphones.com!
[Xperia Z3 General] Akiainavas:
Sony Mobile France has already confirmed it's going to be 5.0.2 in an answer to a tweet from one of the users asking about the same thing.
[Xperia Z3 General] freddy1991:
Here's the proof again in case someone is interested although I had already mentioned it in post #1360
[Xperia Z3 General] dkionline:
The MWC Video said enough about the Version, so stop speaking.
[Xperia Z3 General] goTouch:
Just received Walkman version 8.5.A.3.2
[Xperia Z3 General] Sun_:
Yes in Germany too ;)
[Xperia Z3 General] abhinav.tella:
Its has playlist support on Android wear according to changelog.
[Xperia Z3 General] cem_jimmy:
Everybody ıs askıng lolıpop but after update ı hope no body mıss the kıtkat :D
[Xperia Z3 General] Buddy Luh:
I just hope we can move at least SOME apps to the sd card. Big games maybe.

I have a super fast 64gb micro sd which has basically nothing on it.
[Xperia Z3 General] efx_d3:
Seriously, I will miss this thread when Sony update 5.0 XD
[Xperia Z3 General] Buddy Luh:
We'll keep it going while waiting for 5.1 and complaining it's taking too long
[Xperia Z3 General] efx_d3:
: D excellent, I have entertainment until year end : O
[Xperia Z3 General] Akiainavas:
If you find this entertaining, stick with Android and you will have entertainment for life :P
[Xperia Z3 General] abhinav.tella:
Entertaining indeed lol, Im surprised there has been no flaming between pro/anti Sony groups:D. Good thing there isn't though.
[Xperia Z3 General] Akiainavas:
The last few pages of this thread actually have a pretty constructive discussion going on - sadly, surprising as flaming happens more often now :D

Btw. Sony updated the Lifelog app and you can see some 5.0 screenshots in Google Play if you look it up. Have to admit it's looking good.
[Xperia Z3 General] caqo71:
I had a walkman update aswell here in Chile (Latin America)
[Xperia Z3 General] frankfurts:
yeah I got walkman update in Australia, looks like adds some support for android wear and also Spotify. The Spotify service is pretty lame though basically just a shortcut to the Spotify app. I was hoping to have it more integrated. So it feels I'm using Spotify but through the walkman UI.
[Xperia Z3 General] slim207rc:
Pretty sad, my screen just cracked on my z3 for no reason whatsoever. Have to use my old Sammy GS4 until it's repaired. And guess what, turned it on and got the update notification right away to update to android 5.0.1. But to be honest, I don't really see any huge improvement. TouchWiz is now white and more integrated into material design. But performance hasn't improved, I actually have the feeling it's more laggy atm. But I guess I'm just used to the fluid performance of the z3. I hope that when the update finally arrives and my screen has been repaired, that there won't be any problems regarding performance like I feel the GS4 has right now
[Xperia Z3 General] caqo71:
All this time, when all people in here are arguing and complaining about the 5.0.2 lollipop for Z3, I'm sure that the OTA update will not be the same as installing it from flashtool as a new ftf ROM. for me, it's like upgrading windows from windows 2000 server to windows 2003 server. the best thing is to install a fresh lollipop 5.0.2 ftf rom. So it's not important about in what country or region is released first, the important is where is the first ftf.

about the guy above that updated by OTA, maybe if you flash from scratch the rom, may be it runs better. :good:
[Xperia Z3 General] Run_dawn10:
According to the changelog published by Sony France, it will have that feature.
[Xperia Z3 General] Webern:
What's the difference between upgrading from 4.4.4 to 5.0.2 via ota and flashing the ftf?
[Xperia Z3 General] freddy1991:
Apparently nothing except the file size
[Xperia Z3 General] funky0308:
If you want to stay on rooted fw, you'll have to use Flashtool and prerooted packages.

If you are using rooted 4.4.4 you'll see you will have to use Flashtool to upgrade firmware or flash official / stock 4.4.4 firmware without root and then use OTA update.

OTA update will fail in 99.9% cases if you are using rooted fw.

So, there's no pros and cons here, there's only one or the another method, depending on what you want, prefer or like.

We had few successful OTA upgrades on rooted firmwares but that were only small system upgrades (30-50MBs).

Upgrading fw over the air, from lower API level to higher API will definitely fail on rooted devices.
[Xperia Z3 General] Webern:
OK. I'll probably root my phone once it's on 5.1 (it'll probably be the last major Android upgrade it'll get - whenever 6 comes out Sony will have long since given up, or will saying "soon" which appears to be about the same thing). I'll have to investigate the difference losing the DRM stuff makes first.
[Xperia Z3 General] mazbot:
Since we don't know yet if it will be possible to root without unlocking bootloader, I would recommend you to root 4.4 and make a TA partition backup. And then if you want to return to stock, just flash a stock rom again before upgrading to 5.0.2.
[Xperia Z3 General] goTouch:
You can root the current version without unlocking bootloader. You will not lose drm keys. When L comes out, you can update manually.
[Xperia Z3 General] Farooq95:
By this week I hope..lollipop...
[Xperia Z3 General] funky0308:
If you unlock bootloader without DRM keys backup you'll lose it.

DRM keys can't be lost by rooting fw without unlocking bootloader.

Just a littl OT

Even for guys who unlocked bootloader while root was unable (on LB) there's still nothing big to worry about.

Yes, you'll lose few features but (I'm talking for myself) it's nothing serious you are losing.

X-reality, some other media features released to walkman and, apparently, image processing in low light conditions...

We all know Xperias have pretty bad low light photos processing so I'm not sure how much we are losing without it...

I was using few Samsung devices for a few last months, devices that uses Sony "camera" (lenses anf maybe something more, that's why I put quotes on that) and I have to admit - on Samsung with Sony technology you get awesome pictures in low light conditions.

To be short - we are stuck on pretty bad piece of code responsible for image post-processing, especially in low light conditions and I doubt DRM keys are protecting anything revolutionary or important...

Maybe I'm wrong, as I said, that's only my opinion and my experience but what I saw is just color (over)saturating called with fancy names like X-reality, super-vivid and similar things...

Don't get me wrong, I really like Xperia devices, after all I sold my Note 4 and bought Z3 but we shouldn't care that much about DRM and TA...

I know many guys who unlocked bootloader immediately after buying Z2/Z3, without DRM backup and they are still satisfied with their devices...
[Xperia Z3 General] Webern:
I listen to music on an old android phone, so i don't care about walkman/audio stuff. And i'm hoping we get RAW mode in lollipop so I'll be using my own postprocessing stuff there and won't be bothered about Sony's software.

Thanks.
[Xperia Z3 General] vittogn:
DRM backup will also serve you as a full go back to stock for warranty repair purpose. It's worth the 30 minutes effort!

Inviato dal mio D6603 utilizzando Tapatalk
[Xperia Z3 General] LumPenPacK:
But I thought you can't backup your DRM keys or am I wrong?

To be honest the Z3 is a big disappointment for me because of this DRM stuff. I really want to use Cyanogenmod and the open source support from Sony was one of the main reason I bought the Z3 but I don't want to lose my DRM keys.

I wouldn't buy the Z3 again.

Sent from mobile device
[Xperia Z3 General] session20:
New “Xperia Cosmos” selfie phone leaks with front-facing flash

Notice that status bar icons running on Android 5.0, (Kitkat stock icons) which are different from the MWC lollipop preview. Any thoughts, about UI ?

http://www.xperiablog.net/2015/03/14/new-xperia-cosmos-selfie-phone-leaks-with-front-facing-flash/
[Xperia Z3 General] drorcun:
you can backup your drm stuff.. first root than backup your ta..