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[Xperia Z3 General] Prasad:
Them "exploring various options" being a statement made by Sony is no different than the one about lollipop release next month from January. The only fact here is that they can't keep their word.
[Xperia Z3 General] Newt182:
You know that it is only a very, very, in fact minuscule amount of people who care about updates to their phones. It's not like updates aren't being released by Sony. The vast majority of people use their phone as just a phone and occasionally the odd app. If an update comes out they don't really care and may or may not bother to install it. It's hardly a reason for why "Sony is on the verge of shutting down its mobile division".

I get your disappointment and I agree that it will have some kind of impact on Sony's success in the mobile market, but not that much to really matter.
[Xperia Z3 General] Prasad:
I concur with you on all points. But it is hardly about the update itself. It's about professional ethic and keeping your word. It's about trust. And today, they lost mine. Companies can make the wildest accusations these days, then elevate and shatter the hopes of their own customers. It's not like they made an announcement to attract new customers and didn't deliver. Honestly, I'm not sure which would be worse.
[Xperia Z3 General] lee480:
It will have some tiny impact (those whinny users from XDA; majority of general consumers don't care about updates), but probably too minute to have material impact on Sony.
[Xperia Z3 General] dedei:
I hate being left in the dark. Come on Sony! A tweet with an ETA wouldn't hurt anyone. This is just purely disrespectful to us, customers.
[Xperia Z3 General] dante2086:
I think they'll announce the roll out on Monday or Tuesday, following the release of the M4 and the tablet Z4.
[Xperia Z3 General] joepontanoni:
Such a long wait for what looks from leaks to be a very underwhelming, boring update. I don't want Sony to go the direction of Samsung or LG necessarily in their UI, but frankly Sony don't do themselves any favours in attracting customers with their boring design ethos. I thought that with lollipop and the emphasis on (for the most part) stunning animations and bright stark flat colours, Sony would adapt - doesn't really look like it. Will be rooting, which is a shame because some of the software and apps are quite neat

Just my opinion.
[Xperia Z3 General] Jobiza:
I have used this Z3 5 months now and it's absolutely best firmware on best hardware and i'm sad to read that when Sony just want to make sure not to release buggy Sammy-like firmware and does not release yet new firmware, people here are about to abandon Xperia. :(

Of course I understand that people b**ch about Sony haven't released even preview of the lollipop update, but this phone still beats every other smartphone there is on the market.
[Xperia Z3 General] Prasad:
It's a great phone, no doubt! I did plenty of research before choosing it. But it's about the company and not an individual product. The company that couldn't even keep its top-of-the-shelf item updated when the competition is updating that whole remainder of said shelf.
[Xperia Z3 General] Jobiza:
But like I said maybe they are just making sure not to release buggy firmware because I myself keep priority to get bug-free firmware few weeks later than competive companies and not to risk getting bad battery life with laggy performance.
[Xperia Z3 General] Prasad:
No advanced software in existence has ever been completely bug free. That's a sad sad excuse. The Facebook of today is the buggy version of what it will be tomorrow.. Does that stop people from using it now? It's more a case of.. Go looking for problems and you will find them. That will hold true whether we get android 5.0.1, 5.0.2 or even 5.1 (which we won't).
[Xperia Z3 General] Farooq95:
Enough and quit yapping about buggy firmware . Sony has been known for releasing it late with a buggy firmware and even leaving their mid range phones in dust in terms of an update. I just cannot believe that Sony doesn't even talk to us about the cause of the delay. Keeping their mouths shut about their promise is only reason why people are getting pissed. HTC gave a timeline and delivered it, Samsung did it now if the 2013 lg g2 gets it then ........ Yeah.
[Xperia Z3 General] Sparksltd:
I've been following this thread for some time now and have remained silent until now. Firstly I want to say I really like this phone and IMO the best phone currently on the market. However it does have it's issues, mainly for me the camera just doesn't take the best photos in auto. More to the topic though, regardless of whether this device gets the update to lollipop tomorrow or in 2 months time it won't change my mind to keep or ditch the Z3. My experience of software updates with almost any device is, once updated I explore what's changed (normally not much) then after about an hour, use the device as I always have done. Obviously there are some people on here that the updates mean a lot to them and that's good because everyone who has purchased the Z3 has purchased the current flagship phone which one would expect to keep up with the competition! The one thing in this thread that is annoying though is people that post childish posts about how they hate Sony and want to feed their Z3 to the sharks, as if Sony CEO is reading it and is going to jump out of his chair run outside in his slippers screaming OMG some child is going to sell his phone because we didn't update his phone in time!!! Anyway I started this thread on Sony support incase anyone would like to post something and have the slightest chance someone at least working for Sony might just read it but most likely won't be the CEO I guess. http://talk.sonymobile.com/t5/Xperia-Z3-Z3-Dual/Android-Lollipop/m-p/948181#U948181
[Xperia Z3 General] Jobiza:
Maybe you are right, as I have used samsung and htc until Z3 came out, so I have no history knowledge of Sony's update policy. So I stand corrected and I hope I didn't hurt anyone's feelings.
[Xperia Z3 General] SkyS1gn:
Panasonic has a Lollipop based phone... One M7 also got it... Sony pleeeeezzz :(
[Xperia Z3 General] slim207rc:
Probably about 3 weeks after mwc... Like they did with the Z as they presented the Z1 and delayed the update for 3 weeks after the presentation. Pretty Poor strategy! And then it was rather buggy for many, not for all but quite a lot of people!
[Xperia Z3 General] jonmorris:
There have been many issues on devices that got Lollipop, so I'd rather wait and have a bug free (as far as humanly possible) than something that introduces problems that Sony has pretty much eradicated with the current build.

I have not had my phone crash ONCE since getting the latest firmware, and the uptime can be measured in weeks - only going when the battery runs out. Sure, the camera software still isn't great but everything else works like a charm.

I will upgrade the same day the update comes out I'm sure, but I expect I'll probably live to regret it.

I really don't care that Sunday is March 1st and Sony didn't update my phone yet. I am amazed some people are SO bothered that they're talking about ditching their phone, never buying another Sony, hoping Sony goes out of business, wishes the CEO got cancer etc etc.

(Okay, nobody said that about the CEO but anything is possible between now and when Lollipop arrives).
[Xperia Z3 General] slim207rc:
Yeah the aosp signal icons. Wow, really?? going back to gingerbread style are we?

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Get your point, but what I gather, it's like the same thing that has happened to me, it's not being desperate having the update, but sony giving everybody an official promise and then not keeping it, letting everybody down and then not mentioning what the problem is, seeing everybody else without a sony, even mid-range devices being updated to lollipop.

Not a single word about what is going on.

I recon I will also regret the fast update because I am almost certain that it will have quite some bugs, but I've been infected by the hype by people already having the OS and are having great experiences with it. And we're stuck with a top class device with old, known firmware which has been outdated for premium devices :/ sure that will upset some guys (including myself)
[Xperia Z3 General] lee480:
Anyways, thankfully, it's always the same few people making a ruckus here, liking each other posts. Haha

Yup. But is it better when the amount of bugs is reduced??

HTC gave a timeline and DID NOT meet the timeline. And let's do an analysis of

Sony leaving mid rangers in the dust?

This is a common industry practice as practiced by both Samsung and HTC too:

How many donkeys of Desires phone were released last year, or for the fact in 2013 and how many of them gotten KitKat? So for Samsung.

Sony's firmware release schedule:

Xperia Z KitKat- Relatively early for a 2013 flagship - no/little bugs.

Xperia Z1Kitkat - Came later than the Xperia, bug fixing firmware came a month later.

Xperia Z2 - Fantastic firmware, launched with KK, no bugs for me

That's stock/vanilla lollipop icons, I don't see the relation with gingerbread.

There's my in life to be upset than in updates LOL!

Besides, the gap will be closing soon and should less buggy compared when to those early launches.
[Xperia Z3 General] King p1n:
Last day of February...

Told y'all you'll be be disappointed that its not coming this month.

I dunno about buying Sony in the future, one due to their future uncertainty and two because they suck at communication, no apologies or status update regarding lollipop.
[Xperia Z3 General] Prasad:
Two minutes of silence for Sony.
[Xperia Z3 General] SweDunda:
I do not think they're worth it, not even 1 minute. :rolleyes:
[Xperia Z3 General] caqo71:
Sony never red this post, so, they don`t care as we care. Sony don't even know how much we love sony. if lollipop comes at middle of march, with a fantastic rom..... we just need a day or so to forget the delay....
[Xperia Z3 General] slim207rc:
I almost thought I had something wrong with my eyes!

Xperia Z had little to no bugs?

I would try to get informed properly!

The Z had to be bug fixed several times due to cam problems, battery draining issues, response touchscreen issues und wifi/Bluetooth issues, all on kk.

The Z1 had issues regarding battery drainage, cam processing and also wifi issues on kk, even through its delay.. I've had both phones and can remember all that trouble!

They did get that sorted but it took quite a while and the updates did NOT come early!

Sure you get your bugs, but that's not the point, every OS has its bugs somewhere, nobody is expecting a 100% perfect OS to be rolled out first stage.

And to the icons saying pure vanilla, the stock Android icons have always looked like that and I remember times back with the xperia X10 and experia play where people started yelling how ugly they look, so sony started dealing with their own icons.

I have to admit I do find them rather ugly myself but it's not something that would put me completely off of lollipop!

Sony does seem to listen to consumers every once in a while, but then, when you think, ok, they're actually listening to us and are trying to make the best of what's out there, we get the next bummer like this lollipop release thing going on. Like I said before, it's not that we couldn't wait, it's just the fact of being left in the dark about the schedule!

I would have loved to update right now because beginning of tomorrow I will not have the chance for another 2 months now to update due to my work. I'm going somewhere where I won't have good signal and no wifi for the next 2-3 months but I would have loved to get to know the new OS and all its features whilst using it as a SMARTPHONE with all its multimedia extras and so on. But too bad, it won't happen so that's why I for my part am a little upset about that!
[Xperia Z3 General] esselite:
Then, it is better for you not to update, if you will have no chance to go back to KK
[Xperia Z3 General] slim207rc:
I wouldn't want to go back.. Even if it had bugs. Pretty used to bugs in sony firmwares! Well unless the rom would be unusable which I pretty much doubt that that would happen!
[Xperia Z3 General] GhostRaiderMX:
I'm not sure what the big deal is if its delayed or not. I mean if the delay is for a good cause, then what's the problem with that? Though it's kind of given that it will probably be announced at MWC. At least they'll have something else to show rather than just phones and tablets.

Feburary end today, so your hopes in being released in February can now be put to rest.
[Xperia Z3 General] vittogn:
Well, they teased us with a release for CES, where they said Feb!

It could be a good cause, it could also be less resources on updates compared to LG, Samsung, Motorola......

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[Xperia Z3 General] yakupTR:
I can't wait. I think update z2 Marcht mount end.

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[Xperia Z3 General] cem_jimmy:
Ithınk 4.4.4 ıs good enough only camera!!!
[Xperia Z3 General] Cozmos23:
Thats not true.

With the flashtool you can flash every stock firmware u want.
[Xperia Z3 General] persian_redhat:
Sony's slogan: "Like.no.other"

Yes:thumbup: it's neither like Sammy nor other smartphone brands .
[Xperia Z3 General] cem_jimmy:
Yakup sen cuatom rom kullanıyormusun??
[Xperia Z3 General] yoorie016:
Everyone is whining about that update while I'm here, enjoying my custom rom from iHackers. :P

Even you receive the lollipop update, you'll still rant when you found a bug or issues. The company has its own right to change what they are implemented or stated. you cant force them to release a update that has still have issues and they dont want to mess with you phone. To my point of view, i think the reason why there are delays its because they are observing the other flagships that has the lollipop, what are the issues that they experience while using the lollipop. and with that, they can use it to in their advantage to avoid that issues. or maybe they're just waiting for the MWC to release the update, which may be good for them since the sony is the only company that still not release the update ( as far as i know)
[Xperia Z3 General] yakupTR:
Yok hocam stock kullanıyorum. Root da yok. Servis değiştirdi telefonu eski telefon yapılıydi ama bunda uğraşmadım

( not . My phone room stock 4.4.4) and no rooted.

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[Xperia Z3 General] persian_redhat:
We are not leaving in 70s or 80s. We are in 21 century ;) I suggest you read about CRM and you'll find something that will tell you: "hey buddy, say something worthwhile"
[Xperia Z3 General] yoorie016:
"Customer relationship management (CRM) is a term that refers to practices, strategies and technologies that companies use to manage and analyze customer interactions and data throughout the customer life cycle"

Well, i still get my point why sony is taking too long to release the update. if you're competitive enough as a company, you'll start in observing your surrounding to use it to your advantage. just like the sony might is doing right now, which is observing the other devices with lollipop update and us it to make their (sony) update more stable.
[Xperia Z3 General] Cozmos23:
Everyone is talking about issues and I'm sitting here enjoying my awesome LP Device waiting for bugs.

Dunno what u guys are talking about. LP made my second device go awesome in usability, battery life and performance.

And I really enjoy the new style.
[Xperia Z3 General] cem_jimmy:
Anladım neden servıse verdın

I understood but why dıd you gave to servıce
[Xperia Z3 General] jonmorris:
When Sony announced its Lollipop plans at CES, did it know Lollipop would be getting a 5.0.1 and then 5.0.2 update, with memory leak and battery drain issues?

Wouldn't this have thrown a spanner in the works and caused a potential delay? It certainly delayed Google and Motorola. Indeed it also saw the LG G3 halt its rollout beyond Poland for some time.
[Xperia Z3 General] cem_jimmy:
What's your device ??
[Xperia Z3 General] persian_redhat:
I'm so glad to see that i have probably inspired at least someone to look for principals that leads big companies. By the way, i'm not going to compete with an iconic company which i was loyal for it more than 3 years, but it's going to an end where we are all drivers of WOM marketing, and as a result of negative attitudes, by the pass of time they will see what they are founding
[Xperia Z3 General] CJ900RR:
Personally I don't care that much about the fact they couldn't deliver in February, but I care about the fact that they didn't let us know.

How about a simple "Sorry guys something came in the way, you will have it in Mars. Or December, or whatever.
[Xperia Z3 General] SkyS1gn:
Exactly, i mad cause the lack of communication... why dont they let us know a rough ETA? Or some real screenies, videos of running on a phone maybe. Sony used to be so open when it comes to AOSP developing exc. but not in these situations... idk. why really.
[Xperia Z3 General] Jiyeon90:
Meanwhile HTC users are sad because their battery is nowhere near as good as on KitKat.

I haven't checked the other brands but I guess the battery drain and other issues that I heard so much about are real.

Hopefully Sony will give us a bug-free firmware, like they did with 4.4.4
[Xperia Z3 General] abhinav.tella:
So far Samsung is the only one with a good release... Battery life improved across the board in addition to performance gains.

HTC has some gains and some losses with 5.0 in various battery tests.

LG has gone down across the board in various battery tests in general, this includes the Nexus 5.

Source: GSMArena (They did various tests comparing M8/GS5/G3/N5 on 4.4.X and 5.0.X)
[Xperia Z3 General] Jonathan-H:
I'm afraid the manual pictures speak for themselves. 20mp manual comes out great on this phone, 8mp manual not so much. There is a big difference. Don't get me started on RAW because the difference is negligible on my SLR so on the sony there will be absolutely no point.

As for the comments about performance and lollipop (art), there will be no such boosts as ART is no faster than dalvik.
[Xperia Z3 General] vittogn:
I don't know which is your DSLR and what you use your pictures for, but belive me that a post processed raw file into tiff is always better than a jpeg.

We are ot as this is a phone. In my opinion a native raw output (that is actually what the sensor can do at a given exposure and focus) will allow third party camera sw to operate at best. If the output will be dng then, there will also be the need of little to no reverse engineering of the sensor it self.

Having said that we could unlock the bootloader, root, purchase a 5€ camera/post processing app and enjoy a fully functional phone with the freedom of root (or even better AOSP rom with a good camera!).

That's my 2 cents.

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[Xperia Z3 General] poldie:
Perhaps your SLR is broken then, because there are several advantages to RAW mode, all of which apply to RAW mode on a camera too.
[Xperia Z3 General] spamtrash:
Personally I have found that DXO Optics PRO Elite is a cheap, fast and effective post processing soft. It is a bit better than the Adobe Lightroom.

In both cases, however, (or in the case of any comparable soft ported to phone) I think that it may be a technical difficulty: how to install a fan powered cooling on the phone's processor.
[Xperia Z3 General] radicans:
Maybe it's different between phones, but my 20MP contain virtually no more real information than 8MP. It's all artifacts, sharpening halos etc.

The main point with RAW for me is to circumvent the image processing.

I thought Google said ART would give a noticeable boost, and also save some battery. It makes sense if you think about the difference between JIT and AOT compiling.
[Xperia Z3 General] abhinav.tella:
Yes ART is supposed to give an nice boost to app load times and battery life, according to tests. The 20MP is useful for compensating for zoom when set to 8MP so it has its uses.
[Xperia Z3 General] danw_oz:
A comment like this about RAW clearly shows your lack of knowledge of what RAW can offer you. Try taking a phone indoors under strange lighting, one as a 8bit jpg and one as a 16bit RAW (here one little clue for you), see how easy with raw it is to fix the white balance after the fact, jpg you can't move the colour hues far without getting realy strange bands of colour. These two things just scratch the surface, the only down side is having to process the photos, but if you get the photos mostly right a good work flow will work for you 90% of the time.

[MENTION=6079771]radicans[/MENTION] has it spot on in his post above, which is exactly what I was talking about.
[Xperia Z3 General] jonmorris:
Everything you said seems to be at odds with what everyone else would say.

20MP images don't appear to be that much more detailed than the 8MP versions, suggesting that once the processing takes place, far too much data is lost. RAW could potentially solve that.

And ART makes a big difference. Why compile everything on the go if you can do it once and then start an app up quicker? Even if the CPU is fast enough to make the time difference rather insignificant, there's always going to be a hit in the battery for that process that has effectively been removed (bar the initial compilation). The downside is larger file sizes, which might affect users of phones with low internal storage (e.g. the Moto E with just 4GB, and moving to SD still not being a perfect solution).

I do think a lot of people did benchmark tests and thought ART made things run quicker, but they just didn't understand what a runtime was. For ordinary day to day usage, the improved app loading time just makes things that much more fluid, and that's what most people care about most.
[Xperia Z3 General] tsachi:
I must agree with all previous comments on this. RAW has so much more detail in it and the difference between that and JPG is huge. First in terms of color balancing, any error in white balance on the camera side is permanent. In RAW you can fix that. In terms of dynamic range (difference between brightest white and darkest black) RAW usually give you an additional 1/2 stop if not full stop (depends on the camera). That means that you can post process details in the washed up white area that would be completely lost in the jpg.

In terms of the phone, the main advantage would be that RAW captures the image as is with no processing. For those who like Sony's processing it would not matter, but there's a lot more that third party apps can do with RAW than they can do with pre-processed jpg.

On ART, it has been shown to improve performance. Unfortunately the initial release wasn't stable enough and it created a lot of issues. Would it be a noticeable difference? For most daily usage probably not. Kind of like the odex / de-odex arguments.
[Xperia Z3 General] abhinav.tella:
Opening apps on ART espescially some large ones would be faster as it precompiles apps instead of on the fly.
[Xperia Z3 General] :
Looking forward for the official update. Can't wait!
[Xperia Z3 General] sswagonman:
Have noticed an increase in updates lately. Anyone have any idea when lollipop will be coming out for the z3?
[Xperia Z3 General] danw_oz:
If Sony want to get market share, and be right up there with the other manufacturers they should already be launching lollipop to their flagships. As have most of all the other big players so far
[Xperia Z3 General] radicans:
Early 2015, or sometime in Feb, is the latest official statement I think.
[Xperia Z3 General] sswagonman:
Hmm OK just getting alot of updates here in Australia to the Sony apps
[Xperia Z3 General] abhinav.tella:
Us carrier branded guys/ladies probably have to wait an extra month so probably March for us as I also have heard numerous sources/rumors say Feb at the latest for the Z3.
[Xperia Z3 General] sswagonman:
Yeah mine is unbranded here in Australia so hopefully soon
[Xperia Z3 General] abhinav.tella:
The GS5 EU version just got official Lollipop.
[Xperia Z3 General] sswagonman:
The gs5?
[Xperia Z3 General] abhinav.tella:
Sorry, Samsung Galaxy S5.