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[Nexus 6  General] Bjray:
Watch out. those are some flame war statements.

Anyways... It does have this:

Nexus experience

Stereo Speakers - Front firing

Wireless Charging + Turbo Charging

Worldwide LTE bands (it really does support a ridiculous amount of bands, US and everywhere else)

Not to mention no other phone besides the Note 4 has the same beastly specs and it costs $100 more. So how can you say it can't complete with other flagships? Your argument is without merit.
[Nexus 6  General] hello00:
The note 4 has everything youve mentioned except..it does not run pure android and does not have front speakers and sm n910c (note 4) runs exynos 5433 64bit which performs better than snapdragon 805 and have better battery life
[Nexus 6  General] BirchBarlow:
I don't have so much of a problem with Google for charging $650 for that but rather for not offering a smaller, somewhat scaled-down, more affordable 2014 model handset. Not everyone wants a phablet after all.
[Nexus 6  General] Bjray:
The Note 4 doesn't have as many worldwide bands as the N6 at all. And wireless charging isn't built-in, it's an add-on.

Battery life remains to be seen. "Project Volta" is coming and Stock Android should provide less strain than TouchWiz. If anything they'll be about the same.

And you just proved my point, the Nexus 6 matched the mighty Note 4 and it only beats it in camera performance.

The fact is: The Note 4 and N6 are both beasts and have both have exclusive features for different sets of users. You can't go wrong either way...
[Nexus 6  General] chill145:
Does anyone know a person that bought a phone due to how many worldwide bands it offers?
[Nexus 6  General] 2xbass:
Actually the number of bands is definitely a factor especially if you travel often. What impresses me is the iPhone 6 has twenty LTE bands!
[Nexus 6  General] Nucleotide:
Buy a Moto X then. Basically the same thing but scaled down and might even have some cool Moto specific features. ;)
[Nexus 6  General] neyenlives:
I have a Note 3. I never use the IR blaster, front camera, never remove the battery, could give two craps less about a fingerprint sensor or a health rate monitor...

No SD slot sucks, but I have a large Dropbox and 25gb of cloud storage per device through Verizon as part of my plan.

Clearly you nor anyone else here quite knows which screen it has yet. But as long as it's at least as good as the Note 3, in which case it's better.....

I mean.... how badly do you want to hate a good thing?
[Nexus 6  General] Sentrix27:
Heart rate monitor. lol.
[Nexus 6  General] ggreenwood334:
Have to check your heart rate when people are bashing the note 4. Lol
[Nexus 6  General] elementaldragon:
Yea.... i have to agree with whoever it was that said the main difference between the Note 4 and Nexus 6 is the camera. Otherwise, the specs are basically identical.

[MENTION=2249686]hello00[/MENTION] Yes, the SM-N910C has an Exynos 5433 chipset. But that's basically the only one that DOESN'T have a Snapdragon 805 chipset as far as i'm aware, and it isn't designated as a phone for the US market.

either way you look at it, i'd much rather have the Nexus 6. I mean... who in their right mind would want to have a phone that ACTUALLY ADVERTISES having a "Selfie-optimized front facing camera"? Sure as balls not me.
[Nexus 6  General] BennyJr:
I'd have to agree with OP. Google held nothing back this time around and it shows in the price.
[Nexus 6  General] Pilz:
From what has been said the N6 uses the same Sony sensor as the G3 which has a great camera. I think it has the right hardware and software to justify the cost. I own a G3 cat 6 (SD805 model) and its a great phone. I am buying the N6 because I miss stock android and the ~6in screen is awesome. I had a Note 3 and I liked the large display,the G3 was a step down in size, but with a 6in 2k display I think I'll be happy. The SD805 is still a great SoC and with stock Android Lolipop it will likely be very smooth with hopefully good battery life. I will buy a N6 even if it has a AMOLED from the Note 3 era because that display is still very good compared to others and I never had any burn in.
[Nexus 6  General] 3473:
Yes I'm a complete nexus fanboy despite the fact if you look at my post history, my last few phones are Sony Z3, Galaxy S5, One M8, LG G2, Galaxy S4 (i9505 and i9500).

For reference, the last truly great nexus phone was the Galaxy Nexus. The Nexus 4 I returned after a week, and the Nexus 5 was so horrendous I didn't even bother. But yes, I'm a nexus fanboy. :eek:
[Nexus 6  General] 3473:
For reference, these are the main specs

2560x1440 OLED screen, 3220mAh battery, 13mp OIS camera, 2.7ghz quad core CPU, 3gb ram, adreno 420 GPU, 32/64gb storage, 4K video capture, metal frame and fast charging

If you wanted it to be $350, it would have been this

1920x1080 IPS LCD screen with poor contrast and viewing angles, 2400mAh battery, poorer 8mp OIS camera, 2.5ghz quad core CPU, 2gb ram, adreno 420 GPU, 16/32gb storage, 1080p video capture, and a plastic body

See the difference?
[Nexus 6  General] AntonyStark:
But the Nexus phone IS meant to be the Best Android experience, it is only a reference model in terms of having the hardware to show what the core Android things. Other phones may have more things,

but they have their own apps that aren't compatible. The Note 4 has those things, to actually be a Note 4! They are not missing lol, its a different product.

It needs what it needs, when we Got that Gnex we had NFC with no one to actually beam anything to.

Material Design, the bright Colours, the Animations, the Shadows, Would look better on a Larger high res Screen, and on a AMOLED display, so it has one. People said Nexus phones don't take good pictures, they put a better camera in. And Humans are vain, they want the Build quality to show off.

It just cost more to give the best Android experience than it used to, and you can't make something cost more so that more people want it and then heavily subsidise it, what sort of Business model is that lol. And if People can't afford it, the Carriers will pick up the slack, its a product they can actually sell.
[Nexus 6  General] reverepats:
I totally agree with you as well.

I'm mostly a Samsung user but had only 1 Nexus in my ears of using smartphones, which was a Galaxy Nexus. I've personally past on the 2 past releases of Nexus devices, cause they didn't seem to be as high end as I would have liked. I also agree that the price may be a bit steep, but this sure seems to be a premium device this time around

I'm really thinking about picking one of these up this time around. The size may be a bit to big for myself, but I think this will be one for the books!
[Nexus 6  General] zetsumeikuro:
They're mad cause cannot afford Nexus 6 so they rage and hate on Google. Bottom line is Google and the carriers want to profit (gasp) businesses like to do that!
[Nexus 6  General] 3473:
I tried the Nexus 4, it was *comparatively speaking* a big step down from the Galaxy Nexus. I returned it a week later. The Nexus 5 I didn't even bother with because it looked like the same sort of rubbish. My brother has one, the battery drops 6% whilst booting it up :laugh:

I'm glad Google have gone back to true high end again, not mid-end masquerading as high end because it has the newest SOC but cut back on everything else. Android L deserves to be on the best of the best not cheap rubbish
[Nexus 6  General] AVF Jay:
Last years amoled display?

There wasn't a single phone that used an amoled display with such a high resolution. So samsung are most certainly not using up "old" stock.

The note 4 is the first device to use a qhd amoled display. Plus the display on the nexus 6 is larger, so it's been newly manufactured , as opposed to being an old screen used in previous devices. Unless I've somehow missed an old phone released last year with a 6inch qhd amoled screen.

I think you're getting confused with the moto x that is using older amoled panels that Samsung is supplying them with. Samsung don't have "old" stock to supply motorola/google with for the nexus 6 as it's a new screen with a new form factor.

Either way I'd take an "older" amoled over a newer ips panel with grey blacks and backlight bleed.
[Nexus 6  General] car195:
I think if Google reduces the price $50 or $100 dollars it's going to sell very well. My nexus one was $580 and it wasn't cheap for the time but the only reason it didn't sell well was because it was hard to get.
[Nexus 6  General] bengadget:
Great thread.

What baffles me is people were going crazy for $250-$300 smartwatches that don't even work completely without a phone, but are now complaining that the Nexus 6 is too expensive. It's ridiculous. The Note has slightly more features, and slightly more expensive. The Nexus is right where it should be.
[Nexus 6  General] qwerty12601:
Flawed logic. Those were TOP END specs when the nexus 5 came out last year. There was nothing compromised on the nexus 5 other than the body material, which was STILLbetter than a $650 galaxy s4 which is as plastic as they come!
[Nexus 6  General] RW-1:
I've been on my GNex for three years now, running Shiny ROM KK.

I've watched envious of others getting into the N4, N5 and other good phones out there, while I wait but use a current build. I've then watched them complain how it was a step down a bit from the GNex.

My wife even got a GS5 a couple of months ago.

I'm looking forward to the N6, will have to adjust to the size (I agree that a tad smaller may have been better but look at what I'm coming from...), but for all the other stuff Samsung puts on a phone that I won't use, it's meaningless.

I want a pure Google Android phone, no bloat, no skin on it, etc. I want to do what I want with it, and Nexus allows that. considering that I figure this will take me another 3 years down the line unless I update thru edge or something, I'm planning on it, that said though, I want to play with it in store on launch, then wait a month or so (if it isn't moving they may drop the price, we'll also find out if unlocked by launch or just thereafter, etc)
[Nexus 6  General] qwerty12601:
In what possible way was the nexus 4 a step down, other than the dormant LTE that was cake it activate? Was it the near unanimous at the time gorgeous 720p display? The all glass body that rivaled the iPhone in quality and feel? The quad core processor? Maybe it was the wireless charging...

The galaxy nexus and nexus s were some of the cheapest feeling, least functional nexus devices ever. I know everyone is trying to justify the argument of high price high quality, but it just doesn't apply here. Get a grip on the reality of it.
[Nexus 6  General] Wbroshea:
Agreed completely. The Nexus 5 is an excellent phone for the price, especially at the time of release. Plus it fell nicely in line with the original idea of the nexus. High end specs for developers, off contract to buck the contract system, and low price to actually encourage purchases off contract (only recent trend). The N6 seems to only offer high end specs for developers now. Sad to see Google give in to selling through carriers with contract subsidized prices. Oh and I can most certainly afford the phone, I just choose not to purchase.

I still want to see a teardown cost comparison of the N5 to N6, of course at the time of release for both phones. I bet the N5 wins hands down if build cost is compared to the relative cost to buy.
[Nexus 6  General] AntonyStark:
So basically for all the Nexus buyers it loses it will get all the GNex people who never got another one! Then more.
[Nexus 6  General] 3473:
- LTE required a workaround, and even then it did not work on all networks

- 720p display had poor viewing angles and contrast, a low end washed out panel

- The phone was plastic. Glass on the back, which smashed quite easily, but plastic. "Rivaled the iPhone in quality"...? Hahaha. No really, even as an android fan myself, hahahaha

- CPU was good, a bit inefficient for the battery, but the only good point

- Wireless charging was a plus since it needed charging all damn time

Other negatives I can remember were the camera that took pictures like it came free out of a cereal box.
[Nexus 6  General] 3473:
They weren't all top end specs, that's the point people are trying to make. The G2 it was based off was top end, but the Nexus 5 was a cheaper version with cutbacks to meet the low price point. Mainly speaking:

Poor camera

Awful battery

Washed out display with the worst viewing angles I've ever seen, just because it was '1080p' doesn't mean it automatically equalled other panels

And it's just off the top of my head

The Nexus 6 is a no compromise device, unlike the 5, hence the higher price tag.
[Nexus 6  General] qwerty12601:
Im sorry, what phone are you comparing the nexus 4 to again, the htc one m8 or the galaxy nexus?

Becausr if i remember correctly, the galaxy nexus was made of ALL PLASTIC. That creaked, moved, warped. The nexus 4 is a glass phone, the only plastic wasnthe soft touch frame which made it easier to grip. Beyond that, the hardware feels amazing. Check the reviews since you forgot.

The screen was light years ahead of the fragile, pixelated galaxy nexus screen. Light years.

Yes the lte was dormant, but in what way did that save the manufacturers on building costs?

And youre really going to mention the battery and camera? They gave away a larger battery with the galaxy nexus because of how terrible it was!! Im still using my nexus 4, and i get over 4hrs SOT with nothing shut off over a 14hr period. The battery is better than my girlfriends 5s. And camera? The galaxy nexus camera was easily the worst camera to grace a nexus device. It was a step down from its counterpart, and overall terrible qualuty.

I swear people make things up just fir the sake of it. Id venture to guess you probably didnt own either device...
[Nexus 6  General] hello00:
if we are talking about the note 4 with snapdragon, then yes but if we are talking about the one running exynos 5433 then no, the exynos comes out as the fastest..they are both good phones but believe it or not, the note 4 offers more features

but that's just you though..that's like saying i wont be using the front speakers on the nexus 6 and last time i heard, the nexus 6 will be using the same display as the moto x
[Nexus 6  General] Wbroshea:
What are the viewing angles of the Nexus 6? How is the battery life? How is the camera? Anybody no for sure, not guesses (educated or otherwise)? Oh and my Nexus 5 display is "accurate" not washed out.
[Nexus 6  General] qwerty12601:
Did anyone use a nexus 5 beyond the first month of release?

The camera received software updates which made it a respectable unit. And the screen was also an software issue, which is not a "cost cutting compromise" as with display tweaks its a totally different display.
[Nexus 6  General] 3473:
It's OLED, it will have fantastic viewing angles by default

We don't know about battery life or camera, but on paper they look top end. On paper, the nexus 5 camera and battery looked mid end

It was washed out. The HTC/iPhone displays are accurate but not washed out
[Nexus 6  General] 3473:
Or, I did own the device, but I'm able to criticise it accurately because I don't feel the need to defend it as I'm not still using it 2 years later?

Why are you comparing it to the Gnex? The point was to compare it against other phones at that time, to show it wasn't high end. Admittedly though, it was more high end with it's competitors than the nexus 5 was when that came out.
[Nexus 6  General] Wbroshea:
So you chose to ignore my request for guesses (educated or otherwise). You are assuming the Nexus 6 is higher end because of the price, nothing more. You have no evidence other than a spec sheet. Why would anyone make this assumption and circular argument with out seeing the phone in person.

Again MY Nexus 5 screen is not washed out yours may be but not mine. I have calibrated it and compared it to my Pro-151fd to prove to myself that the colors are pretty accurate.
[Nexus 6  General] 3473:
Respectable unit no, barely acceptable unit yes. Doesn't exactly scream 'high end' (hence the price tag.. going around in circles here)

The screen was definitely a cost cutting exercise. My brother uses his sitting next to me and all I can see is a white mess because of the viewing angles are so poor. It's base device (G2), didn't have this issue. Neither do most genuinely top end LCD's (or any AMOLED)
[Nexus 6  General] 3473:
Good lord. Again, every single spec, on the sheet, is high end. There isn't a cutback. On the nexus 5, some specs were visibly cut back against the G2 (battery, camera etc) which is why it justified a lower price

I'm assuming the colors are accurate until you tilt in even slightly to the left at which point it degrades into a shadowy mess. Software updates and display calibration can only fix so much.
[Nexus 6  General] ggreenwood334:
I have to agree here. The carries pick up the slack. Developers can still use or buy the nexus 5 for development purposes and have android 5.0. N5 still has great specs. And sure. We would all love to see a cheaper phone. Who doesn't like saving money. But google is a business. Not a charity. And I don't think they are hurting for more users and data. Lol.
[Nexus 6  General] eksasol:
It is also a Motorola with good build quality, good call and signal quality, is compatible with all 4 major US carriers in a single device, and assembled in US. Also the Moto X have very fast WiFi, can easily do 75Mbps down if your network is capable, so should be same with this one.
[Nexus 6  General] qwerty12601:
no if you look back the whole argument was that the Nexus 4 was a step back from the Galaxy Nexus because of cost cutting measures do the price. However that was not the case at all the Nexus 4 was an upgrade in every possible measure from the Galaxy Nexus at half the price. And if you compare the Nexus 4 to any other phone that was released at that time I'd love to see what phone beats the Nexus 4.
[Nexus 6  General] donnyp1:
Are you sure its assembled in the USA? I've been trying to find that. Its what I would prefer.
[Nexus 6  General] 3473:
Of course it was an upgrade, I'm guessing you missed the words 'comparatively speaking'

The point was compared to other phones at the time, it wasn't truly high end. That's why it was cheap

The Nexus 5 had cutbacks on paper too, which justified the cheaper price

The Nexus 6 has no cutbacks on paper, which justifies a higher price

If had a 1080p IPS display, 2400mah battery, 8mp camera, plastic build... but still a snapdragon 805, then yes, it should be cheaper. But it didn't cut back in those other areas, so the higher price is justified.
[Nexus 6  General] eksasol:
No, I am not 100% sure, but 90% confident. The Moto X 2013 and 2014 was assembled in US. Some people may be aware that the Moto X's Dallas plant is being closed by the end of this year, this does not mean that Motorola will stop producing from US though. Consider the price of the device as well. I'd be a bit shock if it's assembled in China. We'll have to wait and see.
[Nexus 6  General] qwerty12601:
Lmao, so define "compartively speaking a big step down from the galaxy nexus"! So youre saying A) that the galaxy nexus was the top tier device of its time, and B) that the nexus 4 wasnt. Name a phone better than the nexus 4 when it was released, and name a phone the galaxy nexus was better than.
[Nexus 6  General] eksasol:
Even I have a Nexus 4 twice and know it have lots of cut back. I really like that device, but if you think it was amazing then you haven't used enough high end devices. There can be no beating around the bush about the N4 display, it had poor contrast for and LCD display, washed out and poor viewing angle. Just because you prefer poor viewing angle doesn't mean that is acceptable for higher end phone. Don't get me wrong, I loved the N4 design. But even my original Galaxy Note took way better photos, probably the Galaxy S2 too for that matter. Just because it was fast at the time it was released, doesn't mean it's the best device overall. There are other factors, like battery life, durability (it was not a durable phone, admit it), signal quality, voice call quality. Don't give me that 4hours screen on time crap, a savvy user can manage that, I could even get 5hours, but this is not true for real users who isn't on XDA, they actually do real world stuff, like using GPS for an hour, or taking lots of photos, and streaming over LTE, which the N4 didn't officially have. And the speaker was terrible.

The public doesn't care about fast updates or stock Android, they want a quality device with a good screen, long lasting battery, loud speakers, good voice calls, things that are tangible.

You're in denial. Maybe if you shell out some money for a quality device and know what a good phone camera can do or a good front facing stereo speakers can do, it would change your mind.
[Nexus 6  General] 3473:
Exactly, people are just in denial because they use the same old device for 2 years and so can't take it when people point out their flaws
[Nexus 6  General] neyenlives:
The moto X has a different display. Very different. It's a 1080 display that's 5.2 inches. You're high if you think it's the same display.... How would they use the same display? How many 6" QHD amoled displays are in other phones today? AFAIK none. Which means this display can't be old last year's stock.... It had to be freshly made for this phone.
[Nexus 6  General] qwerty12601:
the Nexus 4 was made of the same frontin back glass as the $600 lg optimus G. It used the same speaker.. Use the same display. Use the same radios. it use the same camera. So where are the cutbacks in the cost if the lg optimus G cost that much?and yes I'm getting four hours so T with a stock Nexus 4 only modification is routed for LTE.

and I've owned the HTC One m8, currently own an HTC One m7and the new Moto X so I'm familiar with higher priced quality phones. The Nexus 4 I did this time very very few shortcomings not nearly to justify the argument that it was 300 due to extreme cost cutting measures. It was nearly identical to its sibling the Optimus G for half the price
[Nexus 6  General] Wbroshea:
Ok fair on the battery I guess, but my phone lasts a day and a half of usage for me if I don't charge. But I charge every night so I personally wouldn't use the extra capacity. So not a cutback for me, but I get that not everyone is me. Camera is a different story. I bet a professional photographer can take a better picture on a phone than I could on my dslr. Quality of picture, I have found come much more from the skill of the photographer than the equipment itself. But that is a practical vs theoretical argument so I guess I will give you the camera as well, however:

You cant have it both ways. Either the premium aspect of the phone justifies the increase or the business making money justifies the increase or a combination of both. Business strategies change yes and that is fine but YOU argued the premium specs justified the price increase NOT a change in business strategy. So show me the huge increase in specs, as compared on release day of each device, that justify the $250 price jump, not a change in business strategy. Of course if you want to change your argument now, which is fine, then I would agree with you. The comparably slightly higher specs at release justify around $50 price increase. The rest is profit for the company. There, now we agree.

I knew about the poor angles the day I purchased it. Doesn't affect me personally and I doubt a whole lot of others as most look directly on axis to a phone. Why would you look at it off angle in a crowded train? When you get a notification on your desk what you do? personally I look at the flashing little light and pick it up and look at it on axis. You can dislike the viewing angles and you can dislike the panel, but your opinion does not make it fact and neither is mine.
[Nexus 6  General] qwerty12601:
Lol I'm using the "same old device" because I switch, and find that I want to go back. I've owned countless phones since I first purchased the nexus 4. Yet, I go back. It has nothing to do with cost. Overall I still love it. I have 3 phones sitting in front of me currently, trust me I have a choice...