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[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] sweetdevil:
MDA Vario II

hi guys great work

i read the whole thread ...

has somebody veryfied if MDA Vario II has the gps chip?

i can't believe, that HTC sells different models of the TyTN

but after the posting with the HTC e-mail i'm not sure any more

someone here who can tell me is there the gps onboard or not?

another question ... can i help with testing something?
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] jas_pik:
austin_boy give us some drivers in post: http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=1094077&postcount=10

I hope that can help with communication
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] vijay555:
Summary to date for the lazy

SweetDevil: welcome to the forum.

There are 11 pages of discussions about the fact that there is GPS capable hardware in the Hermes - it's part of the standard chipset used in that range of devices.

However, the difficulties so far are:

- Maybe the chip has little or no aerial, so it can't pick up the signal well

- Maybe the chip is not connected to a signal amplifier, so can't pick up the signal well

- Maybe the chip isn't being configured correctly, can't pick up the signal well

Current thoughts are:

Maybe it will never work.

Maybe it will work with a hardware hack.

Maybe it will work after a software hack.

But right now, it doesn't work. But people are working. On it.

V

PS To people just arriving at this thread - please read through the last few pages for the latest news.

Please don't fill this thread up with "Wow" or "I can't wait" posts. It just slows down development.

Hold your breath until it's fixed. Natural selection will then bring you peace or enlightenment.
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] mrvanx:
Hey people, not sure if this is going to be of any help, but Ive been messing with tomtom6, Where i configure the gps unit it uses, ive noticed that where i can select my BT-GPS unit (which i have on COM9....not important), it also has the following as selectable ports:

COM3:

COM7:

RIL on COM6:

S2410 IRDA

USB Cable:

COM9:

Now im not sure if thats any clue for you guys but it seemed worthy of a mention???
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] dew.man:
So how does the Control Panel -> Manage GPS automatically play in to all this? Doesn't it sit between the OS and the hardware?
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] bobstarina:
No, it's just a software multiplexer to start several GPS related programs simultaniosly.

You are able not to use it and connect directry to COM port.
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] raboliot:
Trinity OS Rom to Hermes.

Hi,

I successufly flashed the Radio ROM of my HTC Hermes. If the hardwares are the same, why not trying to flash the OS Rom ?

(I assume this stupid question !)

Best regards,
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] dew.man:
It's only the core chipset that's the same. At the very least, the keyboard hardware abstraction are different.

May be worth trying on the Heremes with a cracked screen though ;-)
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] alvinlim28:
Willing to help

Hi, considering Hermes was my previous unit, I would like to help out. I have my Trinity now fully superCIDed, with the GPS working. If someone could show me how I could do what (or install what, to look for what), I am willing to help out. Appreciate any "idiot's" guide to "spy" on how GPS is initialized. PM me or post on this thread, I'll monitor.
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] ibanyard:
Cool!

Guys, I'm off to Turks and Caicos this weekend (from the UK) to get married.... so (not that I've been much help!) I'm banned from anything electrical by the future-wife - I'll see what you all come up with in 2 weeks? :-)
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] Rayan:
Hi Guys/Gals...

Maybe I've missed something these last couple of days since I logged on...

But I was under the impression that Hermes didn't have the antennae and some amplifier chip required for GPS to work... So, what gives?

TIA,

Rayan
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] Sleuth255:
bobstarina conducted a compelling test that may suggest otherwise.....

at any rate, connecting up the software will tell us much about the hardware state without having to disassemble our hermes devices.
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] Rayan:
Thanks for the update Sleuth255!

:eek: Wow! I'm having second thoughts about my TyTN ... :confused:

Geez, I'm in a predicament right now... A friend wants to buy my TyTN for $600 (probably next week)... Should I sell or should I wait... decisions, decisions... :confused:

P.S.- Honestly, any ideas of the outcome of this project? What are the chances of the Hermes GPS to succeed? :o

Thanks!

Rayan
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] alvinlim28:
Rayan, Do you use 3G video call with your Tytn? I used to own a Tytn and could not make a 'good' 3G call. The conversation is similar to skype on a very bad network connectivity. I used to think it was the 3G network's problem until I put my SIM card into the Trinity and tried making the 3G calls to other 3G phone (SonyErricson, etc..) and the result is EXCELLENT! I've also tried using the Trinity to call my other friends using the Tytn, and they could hear/see me very well but I couldn't hear/see them well. Lead me to believe some thing is wrong with the Tytn .... :-(
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] SecureGSM:
I have compiled some GPS related changes in Radio 1.29. ( latest HTC Breeze ROM)

Just thought that I will post them here since nobody seems to noticed these changes so far. anyway..

RADIO NEWS:

Add AT command at@clearall at@cleargps at@clearhot to manage the GPS data in EFS. Modify AT@setgps let device can do warm and cold start without resetting the device.

Implement the Test mode for GPS Cold and Warm start for n times.
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] mama:
Hi folks! I´ve got my TyTN now. If I could test anything for you, please let me know. It´s a german one (qwertz) with no branding. Please tell me what details you need relating the ROM or whatever. ;)
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] TRJS:
Thanks for pointing out to that! I haven't noticed these commands before. It seems as if all these commands except for at@clearall are also implemented in the 1.22-rom (though I don't know if they are really working properly).

"at@setgps?" gives me the values: 1,7,50,0,0 - any ideas what these values might stand for? (Too bad HTC didn't implement the "at@setgps=?"-option)

And another thing: Does the Breeze-1.29-radio also have the 1.0108-radio bootloader integrated? If so then it wouldn't be advisable to flash it a.t.m. I guess.

EDIT: at@setgps seems to accept the following values: at@setgps=[0-255],[0-255],[0-65535],[0-255],[0]
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] dutty:
if there is a way to poll the values of setgps then there is also a way to setthem..

interesting, setgps might be important.. remember there is also "at@startgps?"

gives values in the form of 1,0,1341343,1 , first value means "is gpsactive" 1/0 yes no..

too bad i'm too busy with my exams at the moment.
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] TRJS:
I see, you're right, the first value of at@startgps? really is on/off; the second value seems to be something like a counter, it's increasing each time I send "at@startgps?" and is set back to 0 with each re-starting of the GPS. As third value I get EDD12DD8, whatever that means.

And I realized that the first value of at@setgps must be 1 or 2, otherwise at@startgps won't start. So the following values seem to be working: at@setgps=[1,2],[0-255],[0-65535],[0-255],[0]

Unfortunately I didn't notice a significant change in the GPS-data-output, though, no matter what values I set. Maybe it's different with the 1.29-radio-rom?

Good luck with the exams, btw.
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] dutty:
thank you.. but please take your post into the technical thread.. thats where it belong, this is technical and of great value for our research..

good stuff man!
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] hdubli:
If u see and observe the other built in GPS devices there is an application Quick GPS, which connects to the GPRS and downloads the latest data.After that the GPS is configured and is assigned to a particular COM port..can we try something like this..just a hint..
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] Rayan:
Well, I've never tried 3G but I bet it's got something to do with the faked 400 mhz CPU of the Hermes. Trinity's CPU is true 400 Mhz!
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] zohaer21:
fake 400 cpu? can u explain..???

tia
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] zbee:
its swahili for..the posters a [tinky winky]
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] bydandie:
as both have the same CPU and this has nothing to do with GPS, can the mods move these posts please?
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] the archer:
Hi, ive been following this thread since the start, i installed the 1.22 radio and played around with the output in bootloader mode, but got no where fast. Anyway my WIFI stopped working so the only way i could resolve it was to rest the device and install everything agian which i have done.

Now the intersting thing is when i came to set up Tomtom (before i had paired my bluetooth gps reciever with my tytn), tomtom states connecting to GPS device which i have not seen before. Is it possible that tomtom can somehow see the onboard GPS but not commumicate with it?
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] vijovame:
Yes, but gps isn't well it will not work, there is the problem, the gps doesn't send data to the OS. :)
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] vijay555:
Zbee - don't be abusive.

V

BTW - if you're going to discuss fake 400mhz processors, please take this outside into another thread. But please have a read through the CPU specification before you speak.
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] trion:
has anyone tried it with the new AKU 3.3 rom? maybe this one works okay, I believe the trinity also has the AKU 3.3. just guesing and hoping it works this way.
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] apokryphus:
And? does it works with the new one? in your signature you have written gps enabeld ...
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] Pyranwolf:
Right, first of the 1.24.00.11 radio reports. Whilst I've not looked at the operating system side, I've played around with at@startgps and this is what I've got out of it:

Looking at this it needs a minimum of two values (contrary to previously posted logs?) ie at@startgps=a,b otherwise it returns "4" = error

Posted much earlier in the thread there seemed to be an upper limit too. Could this just be imposed by the AT command parsing and not actually mean anything?

First value (a) has following implications:

0: Seeming continuous stream without a header and I've not managed to type at@stopgps fast enough to stop it yet... :D

1: Cold-start test header, times out after a while

2: Warm-start test header, times out after a while

3 (onwards): No header info, times out after a while.

Haven't checked with values much upwards of three.

At a guess the second value has a meaning, or why would we get the error without it? Additionally it does need to be there and can't just be "at@startgps=1," for example.

Satelite wise, I've picked up a maximum of four so far, but this is indoors (and the tomtom one doesn't like it either).

The main effort of course has to be the OS side of things now, but this info could be useful.
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] bobstarina:
What version of Radio bootloader is in this Radio ROM?

1.007 or 1.008 ?
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] md288m:
TheMobileRabbi

Hi Guys,

I have been following along with this thread since the beginning Great work keep it up!!,

I was wondering if it would make any sense to try to setup the Hermes as an external Bluetooth GPS to another PDA, by using software like"Gps Gate" or "Gps Redirect".

from what i have read in the previous posts, it seems that most of the current problem is in getting the data output routed to the OS via the RIL. maybe by trying to route the GPS signal to the Herme's Bluetooth transmitter and then back to another device we might get some results... if this works it might give us some insight into this whole situation...

Just a thought....
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] apokryphus:
Can anybody explain me what the status quo in this research is, please?

My Problem was after installing the dlls and adding the reg-entrys i got that discussed white screen.

Thank You
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] Pyranwolf:
Should be 107 :)
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] cjasus730:
Hmmm...since when are Rabbis Mobile? :)

Cute idea. The bottom line, however, would be that this idea would NOT help us. I have NOT been following along this thread, so excuse me for the following tip if it's out of order:

Do not forget the GPS applet in WM 5- could this have anything to do with the problem? That is, would setting up a port and then a vp etc. help?
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] stinger32:
I have reed all the threads here and over at the trinity place about the gps thing and you are doing a great job guys, if I can help in anyway let me know I'm not good with programming and stuff like that but maby I can locate information, programs that are needed to solve this so you can focus on the development.

I fiddled round with the Gps thing in the connection meny yesterday, I choosed the com9 and noticed that when I choosed the tomtom bt gps in tomtom it says "trying to connect to the gps device, no gps,trying to connect to the gps device,no gps found" all the others was "no gps" right away. I dont have the gps radio rom loaded but isnt it strange that it actually make calls to some gps device? I reed in this thread that there was a missing link back to the application Maby ist nothing but maby you can check it up. Whats going on.
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] malrose:
Stinger32

could you possibly explain in point form how you got to where you are with the gps settings ie: bootloader version, radio rom ver, .dll's, .reg etc...

I have been reading every page since this thred began its become a little confusing to me with where things have headed.

Mal..
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] apokryphus:
Well, i wrote the same often, because i also lost the overview.

I tried it by myself after reading the threads, but i got that white-screen issue after rebooting... and finally no solution for it - like the others. I read about the *.dll causes these probs, but i think no solution is found since now, is it?

Maybe someone can write a entry for gps required files into the wiki, please.

I would second such a work, when i got the experience...

thx
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] Olipro:
I e-mailed HTC about the GPS chip and told them the situation with the Trinity ROM being flashed onto the Hermes;

resultantly I got an e-mail back stating:

"We did not receive any information from our developers regarding the question you are referring to.

The next ROM update does not include any internal GPS options/settings on HTC Tytn."

not denying it evidently... but at least the dev dept will know we're making an effort and someone might slip something out the back door, fingers crossed.
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] dutty:
i doubt that :(

you've contacted a level-1 email support worker.. i highly doubt that this will result in anything.. but it would be cool ;)
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] raboliot:
I don't think that enabling GPS in Hermes could have an impact on sales of their new models. Most of HTC products are sell by operators.

Only requesting HTC for new upgrades without positives propositions could have a bad impact on the communication they have with us.

If I have a request, it could be to open a "HTC expert customers" community, witch have access to some improment of theirs HTC protucts (GPS, AKU ...) BUT with the advice to report bugs, informations, opinion ...

They have to keep in mind that we could are a very good way of communication. I have two friends who bought HTC pda after they requested my opinion.
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] benfica88:
Not sure if this is related, but for Hermes COM9 does not even work with bluetooth gps receivers...
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] echoz:
Thought you guys might like to know, Dopod Singapore announced GPS enabled ROMs for their D810 or HTC Trinity device a few days ago...

Press Release
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] dutty:
this is crazy.. but why didnt they do that for the hermes? :( maybe we should ask dopod asia, they might know if there are hardware limitations.. olipro? do you want to write another email :)

btw, this is the correct link:

http://www.dopodasia.com/Dopod/Sing...w+Get+Ultimate+3.5G+Connectivity+Enhanced.htm
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] Olipro:
their support page e-mail form seems to be broken :(

also, has anyone tried flashing the new non-test Trinity OS rom to their Hermes, or at the very least; dumped the ROM so we can have a sniff of the serial_cmd.dll and rilgsm.dll on it :P
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] dutty:
i would have disassembled it already but i cant download it as non-member..
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] apokryphus:
Should this really work to flash the trinity rom to a tytn?

Well if it would not brick my phone, i would do it - for testing of course.
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] Olipro:
if you do it through mtty (after extracting the OS.nb) then it'll either work, or do absolutely sod all and you'll have to flash a Hermes ROM back on through mtty again, that's about it.

but... make sure you're running a Trinity GPS radio ROM first...
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] apokryphus:
okay that sounds logical, but at this time no wwe rom is out, only a chinese one.

"Current owners of the D810 can download the new firmware from February 10, while new users can expect March shipments of the handheld to come with the updated GPS ROM."

But some people from germany have a english rom on there new trinity, but problems with dumping it. I will ask them later, if they got it and send me radio and os rom part.

http://www.ppc-welt.info/community/showthread.php?t=104937

Thank you for youre help.
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] dutty:
ftp://xda:xda@ftp.xda-developers.co..._1.23.751.6_6275_1.31.00.11_108_Ship(GPS).exe

official shipped rom... it's traditional chinese but that shouldnt matter as just want to try the functionality of the radio/os flash.
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] trashcan:
I can read Chinese. If this won't brick my phone, I will sure try it. My phone currently has bootloader 1.04 and super CIDed. If anyone could give me some detailed steps on how to flash this Chinese rom to my phone and make sure it won't brick it..I will happy to test it out.
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] echoz:
I'll upload the ROM once its made available :)
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] dutty:
the chinese rom has already been released and i ve posted it, scroll up ;)
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] apokryphus:
0. first wait till somebody can confirm these steps

1. extract the exe

2. extract the nbh to nb

3. update the radio rom

4. downgrade to bootloader 1.01MFG

5. update via mtty the OS.nb

hopefully it will work...
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] dutty:
correct. i'm just trying to figure out how to update the radiorom via bl
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] Olipro:
currently it's supposdly impossible, if you could capure the data from a flash via the updater... then we might be able to get somewhere
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] apokryphus:
I think so too, but afaik you can do it with maupgrade:http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=Hermes_ExtractedRadioRoms, that should work.
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] dutty:
check my post here: http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=293472

i've tried it, seems to flash ok.. but result is: unchanged :(

edit: how do we create nbf files to use with maupgrade?
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] apokryphus:
pof knows it:

http://xdaforums.com/archive/index.php/t-278484.html

I normaly would do this but at this time i write on my dilpoma for computer science, sorry...
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] dutty:
eeek perl... we need to port this script to c :P
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] apokryphus:
maybe pof, sleuth or somebody else will help us?!
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] dutty:
i just took a look at it, it's a very big script..

porting it would require a good understanding of c and perl.. i suck at perl...

but i wouldnt mind using perl to create the nbf, but using perl in a win32 environment sucks..

edit: okay.. after installing activeperl and tons of addtitional modules i finally got typhoonbf to work...

i did this:

\NBHextract>perl typhoonnbfdecode.pl -s -f -r ipl=00_IPL.nb -r spl=01_SPL.nb -r gsm=05_GSM.nb -c radio_.nbf

read 00020000 for ipl from 00_IPL.nb
no IPL at 4 in IPL image
read 00040000 for spl from 01_SPL.nb
spl image: 00080000 bytes
no BOOTLOAD at 0x2004 in SPL image
read 00d80000 for gsm from 05_GSM.nb
no 7 * jump +5 at start of gsm
blversion 1.0.0.0
device SP3i
entrycount 3
flags 17
language ENGLISH
magic HTC
operator CDL___02
version 1.0.0.0

91000000 00080000 5081fd2b spl
90000000 00020000 cc893e87 ipl
96000000 00d80000 d1e618eb gsm
enc: 91000000 00080000 5081fd2b spl
enc: 90000000 00020000 cc893e87 ipl
enc: 96000000 00d80000 d1e618eb gsm

not sure if that produced a suitable nbf file..

file size:

09.02.2007 18:53 14.811.648 radio_.nbf

pof?

edit2: it's uploaded at ftp://xda:xda@ftp.xda-developers.com/Uploads/Hermes/Hermes_GPS_Enabled_Radio_1.31_TOTALLY_UNSAFE.rar

you can either wait for pofs confirmation or get the adrenalin rush and flash it :P
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] apokryphus:
the english one is out

ftp://xda:xda@ftp.xda-developers.co...E_1.23.707.4_6275_1.33.00.11_108_RomImage.rar

but seems to have radio bootloader 1.08. :(

edit: i think we will get it today
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] Pyranwolf:
Correct on the not quite safe bit - I was thinking this way with the nbf decode perlscripts, but it's not the tool of choice.

Have a read of this, where pof told me what tool we should use (and which I then used to produce the 1.24.00.11 radio nbf):

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=292831
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] dutty:
well that's even better, would still be interesting if that perl script works..
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] apokryphus:
i´ll try it with the radio 1.27.000 radio rom for hermes and will exchange the gsm part from the new trinity gsm.nb we will see
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] kjs30:
Trinity rom on hermes.

Well i extracted the trinity os.nb and using mtty flashed it to my hermes, all went well no errors, until it was meant to reboot and nothing happened.

Paniced slightly, thought i had bricked the hermes (and all for the sake of GPS).

it would not go in to bl mode either. so i took out battery left 5 mins then replaced, eventually it went back in to bl mode and using mtty i have reflashed the hermes rom back.

all is working fine now.

just hope no-one else has the same prob incase they try. but hope we can get the GPS working at some point.