yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] dutty:
ouch.. but it was more or less foresee'able we tried that with the testrom..

i've created a more or less safe version of the radioupgrade only. it has been created with the htc64 tool, so it should be ok to flash.

its on the ftp under uploads\hermes\ "Hermes_GPS_Enabled_Radio_1.31_EXPERIMENTAL.rar"

i would like to try it myself but i'm stuck with bootloader 1.08 and can't flash radioroms :(

but be careful, you'll also be stuck with bl 1.08 after flashing this :)
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] apokryphus:
what did you took for parts? the new trinity radio rom wwe? and wich nbf file?

i´ve done like i said above but scarry to flash it
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] stinger32:
My tytn (supercid) have bl 1.01 I'v flashed the new SWE rom (extended and os) without the radiorom can I test it or am I stuck with 1.08 to then?
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] bubu23:
sorry for the question

what do you mean gps enable

it like we dont need nothing just to put the tomtom and walla we have gps

no external bluetooth conection to the saterlight

?
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] stinger32:
yes thats it
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] bubu23:
cool but im afreid to try the new radio cause it bootloader 1.08

i hope there will be others do you think so?
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] dutty:
well bl 1.08 will be the future.. i guess there wont be any way around it so we should try to figure out how to work it..
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] bubu23:
ill think ill stay for now

because anyway soon we all gonna genew rom aku 3.3 not test

so mybe then we will upgrade i think?

cause i want to put the swe rom version

and then to put the english patch

and then to put my language pach on it

but it seems that it not gonna work so ill stay with the test version seems to be fine

is any body try the gps enable version to see if its work? 1.31
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] stinger32:
bubu23-->or dutty is it the end then? I cant in any way go back to 1.04 or 1.01?
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] bubu23:
dont worry my frien for every thing thers pach

youll se just wait:o
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] dutty:
i would, but i can't... i can only flash signed radio roms :(

stuck with radiobl 108
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] bubu23:
youll se there will be rom 3.3 aku english no test

with gps enable 1.01 bootloader

:)

mybe3 next year but it will be

:cool:
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] apokryphus:
flashed it with my radio 1.33.00.11 trinity radio rom, radio bootloader is now 108 - sh*t,

after flashing os.nb from trinity didn´t work but bootloader is still available stayed at 1.01,

i will reflash with HTC_*_TEST
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] dutty:
okay. then don't reflash another full rom! from now on - only flash seperated os/bootloader and extrom images.. if you'll flash a full package again you will loose the gps functionality and you wont be able to retain it.

can you go to the bootloader and post the nmea at@startgps values you get there? check the wiki for a small how to
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] apokryphus:
chek your pm - i have done already
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] dutty:
check your pm ;)
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] apokryphus:
can you explain me how to read this output! edit: http://www.kowoma.de/gps/zusatzerklaerungen/NMEA.htm

Nmea$gpgsv,1,1,03,10,,,21,27,,,22,06,,,21*78

Nmea$gpgga,,,,,,0,,,,,,,,*66

Nmea$gprmc,,v,,,,,,,,,,n*53

Nmea$gpgsa,a,1,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,*32

Nmea$gpvtg,,t,,m,,n,,k*4e

if i understand it can see 3 sats but isnt receiving from anyone... so what about now?
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] stinger32:
Are we close now or what? ;-)
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] trion:
If you want to see what you are receiving, try visualGPSCE, it's free!!

http://www.visualgps.net/VisualGPSce/download.htm

Copy all the NMEA output from MTTY and paste it in your notebook. Save the file and copy it to your phone.

Then install VisualGPSCE and start it.

Choose connect --> Logged NMEA file and open your saved output from the bootloader.

It will show then the show the signal strength and the satellites in view and in use.

somehow the scrollbuffer of mtty is limited, haven't tested it with PUTTY yet. So you see the output only for a short time, but it works.
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] spiritofseth:
anyone ever wonder if some of the HTC guys watch this forum and laugh at us, like maybe were looking in the wrong places and they think its funny.

anyways, I was cruzing through the new cingular AKU 3.3 rom and found this key

hklm\drivers\active\54\

take a look it says gps but Im thinking its just a blank port. also a more interesting

hklm\system\current control set\gps intermediate driver\

anyone find it suspiscious that all of a sudden our access to the radio has been cut off in newer roms?
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] apokryphus:
thx trion,

after a couple of approaches to get in contact with you i am glad you write something;)

the scrollbuffer size is suffcient, because after a minute or two the viewable sats aredisappear and the relevant information are in - especially GPGSV (satellites viewable), where the third number e.g. "03" provides the information about the viewable sats.

GPGSA (satellites active) provides the information, wich are active btw.

Well, afaik we didn´t come closer at all, the sats were viewable with other gps-enabled roms too. pitty i thought we could get it...
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] GliTCH82:
WHY would HTC put a GPS receiver in the Hermes and cripple it?
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] corry16vturbo:
Hello,

i have a trion from O2 Germany.

I had flash the GPS Enable Radio Rom from ftp://xda:xda@ftp.xda-developers.co...ermes_GPS_Enabled_Radio_1.29_EXPERIMENTAL.rar

No probleme with the Update.

What must i do now to activate the device ?

What must i do to run it automaticaly by warmboot ?

thankx
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] lethal-gr:
Which rom to use to enable GPS on HERMES.

hi guys.

I bought a SPV M3100 (HERM100)

Operator Version: 14.123.1.614

ROM Version: 1.23.61.4

ROM Date : 07/13/06

Radio Version : 1.16.00.00

Protocol Version: 32.53.7018.01H

Loader : SPL 1.04

The phone was lock to Orange. I unlocked it using HTC_Hermes_SIM_Unlock_v2a.zip.

I want to enable GPS and i would like to ask which ROM to use:

1) Hermes_GPS_Enabled_Radio_1.31_EXPERIMENTAL.rar

or

2) trinity ones :

a)GSM_GPS_ENABLED_ROM.zip

b)Trinity_GSM_GPS_ENABLED_radioROM.zip

After the upgrade could it be possible to upgrade to another radio release?

(lets say that an official GPS ENABLED ROM comes out)

thanks in advance
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] dutty:
big bad mistake.. you will never be able to flash another radio rom again.. well at least not until we figure out how to downgrade from bl1.08

guys.. dont flash your device just yet, you cant enable gps! it's still not working
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] apokryphus:
could it be possible that the kaiser will be an exact hardware copy of the hermes, so it could be possible to flash it´s upcoming rom to use the gps?
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] corry16vturbo:
Hello dutty,

don't make me fear.

I have look at the 3 color screen and 1 have still bl1.04
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] v4NDALu:
Hi guys, i have my first TyTN yesterday and i want to use the gps... how many time do you think that will take to get a tweak that enable the gps? Do you think that it's better wait a few days or buy a BT receiver?

Cheers!
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] mrvanx:
You may have bootloader 1.04, but the RADIO loader is 108 :(

If you are DESPERATE for gps then buy a bluetooth GPS reciever (the holox BT-321 is GRRRREAT!) but if we manage to get the gps working (fingers crossed) it will take more than a few days i think. IF we do get it working we are saving money aswell as unlocking a COOOL function on it.
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] corry16vturbo:
Hmm,

on the 3 Color Display is following :

HERM 100

IPL-1.01

HERM100

SPL-1.04

where is the Radio loader ?
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] v4NDALu:
thz for the quick answer! :rolleyes:
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] ercave1:
HERM 100

IPL-1.01 < 1.0108
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] stinger32:
I want to test a rom with gps enable, wich one shall I use thats safe for the BL? Is there any one that dont have the 1.08 BL? Where can I DL the files that are needed? My tytn is supercid and have the 1.01 bl right now. Does any1 have a reg-dump from trinitys new rom?
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] lethal-gr:
where do i see the radio loader?

I am not desparate for gps. I think i can still wait for 2-3 hours :D just kidding.

So Downgrade from the experimental release is not possible. I think that anyone

who uploads something to the FTP server make a just a change log in the same zip/rar file and also write down WARNINGS and any other precautions.

keep up the good work guys.
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] spiritofseth:
you guys think the Kaiser's rom parts will solve our problems?
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] stinger32:
What is the "kaiser's rom"?
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] apokryphus:
just an idea that sounds quite credible, isn´t it?

probably with crossbow on it?! ?)
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] apokryphus:
Its the next version of the hermes, see:

http://www.slashgear.com/the-new-htc-kaiser-293194.php
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] spiritofseth:
its a part of the chipset the only requirments are that it have an antennae and drivers capable of talking to it.

* its much cheaper to manufacture different products out of the same set of materials, like Ti OMAP chipsets or qualcomm chipsets(a must for CDMA). also using a similar set of equiptment means that it is more economical when shopping for fab equiptment.

* a side effect of this cost savings is that at certain times of the year a manufacturer has to decide on what technologies to base theyre next gen equiptment on. if there are not allot of chipset choices (like with CDMA) you end up with phones made from the same parts that do exactly the same thing.

* to combat this a manufacturer will have to procede with some feature editing in order to position different products at different price points so they may hit the widest audience.

* look at the trinity, its the same phone as the hermes but it appeals to a different segment at a different price point.

** a great example is taco bell, they have the same few ingredients that they wrap up in different ways to hit the wants of different users.

if I had to guess at this point I would say the diff between these devices is going to be the antenna. I dont think anyone ever established that it was actually connected to the antenna leads. if its not hoooked to an antenna then no amount of holding under a GPS repeater is going to induce a current over two unconnected terminals.
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] Sleuth255:
you need to go into mtty to see it:

Enter radio bootloader with:

USB>rtask A

Enter Radio bootloader is displayed

now type in rversion (won't be echoed)

radio bootloader version is displayed
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] stinger32:
ok mine was 0107 that means that I can flash anything but 0108?
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] apokryphus:
What do you mean, that the receiver isn´t connect to an antenna?
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] Pyranwolf:
Sounds quite cheesy to me.

(sorry)
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] corry16vturbo:
Ok, i do that "0108" was displayed.

What is my Problem now ?

Another Question was means AKU 3.2 ?
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] apokryphus:
You will never perfom any radio-only-upgrades,

as long as pof did not find a solution for downgrading the radio-bootloader.

To get another radio version you have to flash a complete rom,

with new radio in it and than maybe flash the os you would like.

AKU 3.2 is something like a service pack for winXP,

but in this case for Windows Mobile, bugfixes, improvments new functionalities etc...
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] abubasim:
I liked the movie. Kaiser was a cool cat. :)
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] corry16vturbo:
Ok this is a problem no more look at http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=293651

What must i do (flash and settings) to have realy a functional gps ?

Is it possible now ?
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] abubasim:
@corry16vturbo:

No.

(Soon, if the GPS actually has an antenna connected, but I doubt it.)
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] johnburn:
All new cell phones sold in the US (and Canada as well, I believe) have to have GPS capability for Enhanced 911 Service. Prior to the availabilty of GPS receivers in cell phones, 911 operators used to rely on the carrier providing an approximate position derived from cell tower triangulation, assuming that three or more cell towers could even detect your phone. Since this didn't always work well (or at all), the FCC mandated that new cell phones had to have GPS receivers built into them to work with the existing carrier technology. This is called Assisted GPS. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assisted_GPS for more details.

There are various reasons why HTC might have "crippled" this:

1. The hardware in the TyTN may rely on the carrier Mobile Location Service (MLS) for some of its data and can't operate in a standalone mode.

2. As described by the referenced Wikipedia article, there may not be enough processing power available to do the GPS triangulation (unlikely).

3. Some carriers that resell the TyTN may have requested that HTC not enable the built-in GPS receiver for you and I, so that they can sell their own services, such as Real Time Traffic Notifications or Turn-by-Turn Directions.

4. Just enabling the GPS receiver doesn't necessarily result in additional revenue for HTC (it might if it was marketed as a true convergence device). Instead, HTC would need to have relationships with companies like TomTom to bundle software in with the phone.

There are probably other reasons that I haven't considered.

John
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] stinger32:
yea yea kill all the joy and hope
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] Sleuth255:
keep your glass-half-full attitude stinger32! I've got a good feeling about hermes GPS myself. There's this test that bobsterina performed which showed that there is an antenna connection to the gps. He placed alum. foil over his then watched the found satellites disappear in the nmea stream. GPS signal is so high frequency that there's no way anything would've changed had the chip been disconnected. Tiny little nib of disconnected SMT chip pin does not an antenna make you see.....
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] abubasim:
Maybe HTC intended to include GPS functionality in the Hermes but cancelled and brought this forward to the following models, possibly due to problems discovered during the development. Or maybe not...
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] daveh85:
just a thought

could the radio be affecting gps? has anyone tried turning it off to see if it makes a difference?

the reason I ask is I remember the new orange phone with gps had problems during the development stages where you couldn't use gps and phone at the same time....
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] stinger32:
Sleuth255-->>"keep your glass-half-full attitude stinger32!"??????? I really dont know what you mean by saying that. But I can tell you what I meant by saying what I said. I allmost live in this thread day and night to see if there is any new discovery about the gps thing, and I'm very sad that I cant be more helpful cos I dont know anything about these things. And it isnt very funny when some1 write 3 or 4 diffrent reasons why we will never have an gps in our tytn. Wait and see instead.
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] stinger32:
Ahhh ok I'v never heard that expression in my life before so I thought that he missunderstod me thanks for the "translation" and johnburn I'll hope to god you are wrong, I allready think you have the wrong answer in 3 of your 4 statement.

1. Why would the hardware in the tytn "rely on the carrier Mobile Location Service (MLS)", when it isnt in trinity? and the chip-manufactor states that it work as standalone.

2. If trinitys cpupower is enought I think tytn have enought power to cope.

3. Well, do they have so much influence? maby, I hope not.

4. Why would HTC need to have relationships with companies like TomTom to bundle software in with the phone just because they had an gps device enabled? there are lots of free programs:

http://www.maps-gps-info.com/fgpfw.html
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] apokryphus:
I think we could go further if we know, how at@startgps works on a trinity.

i asked already:

http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=1133308&postcount=170

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=293720

http://www.ppc-welt.info/community/showpost.php?p=835589&postcount=147

but because auf the bootloader is bigger than 1.04 they can not perform that test. in version >1.04 the rtask command is not implemented...
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] Arktronic:
Would it be possible to flash our 1.04 bootloader onto a Trinity using SSPL? Or are they just incompatible and would result in a bricking?
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] dutty:
might be possible. but i guess nobody knows for sure
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] spiritofseth:
It would be really interesting if with our BL the trinity still had a functional GPS.
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] apokryphus:
on the other hand, why we don not try to flash the trynuty ones to our hermes?:confused:

Okay this is out:

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=293651&page=4

the guy qvik123 bricked his device...
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] Sleuth255:
@robt2379: Thanks for the translation :)

@stinger32: My apologies for using an english colloquialism. I forget about the international nature of this forum myself sometimes... :o
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] Arktronic:
If it is indeed possible to flash it successfully, I doubt the BL would make much of a difference. It's the radio BL that's the key, from what I understand. The only reason for flashing our 1.04 BL onto a Trinity would be to see if they get different results when calling AT@startgps directly from the bootloader. That would answer some very critical questions.
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] apokryphus:
Strike!

That is what i meant...:p
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] Arktronic:
Well, I finally got a chance to read the entire Hermes SSPL thread. Looks like the Trinity and Hermes SPLs are incompatible, so that idea is out. However, since SSPL was originally developed for the Trinity, maybe it can be used by itself to do the same thing. I have no idea whether it's possible, though, because I haven't read any Trinity SSPL thread(s). If the custom BL that's in Trinity's SSPL allows radio access, then that's great. Otherwise, the whole thing is out of the question.
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] apokryphus:
def (from the trinity community) has meant that maybe the hermes spl can load the trinity os on a trinity, that could be good.

but qvik123, see my post before, i have edited it, to provide the information, brickedd his device, while flashing a trinity os and spl to a hermes, that is bad.

well i think nobody will try to flash a hermes spl to a trinity, so we will maybe never know that?!

but, indeed your new idea sounds good, would you post it in the trinity-forum?
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] dutty:
why do you want to flash the trinity spl without trying it first? you can jump into it using des's tool. i said this before
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] apokryphus:
do not work with sspl bootloader:

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=293720

pitty
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] dutty:
i already knew that... but i ment something else.. try to jump from windows ce into the trinity SPL
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] emugpp:
I have the XDA-trinity, standart rom with HTweakC1.2b enabled GPS, but "tracky" can't connect to any satallites, what are the settings? how does this work, I'm a still a noob with my pocket pc..
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] dutty:
i'll try it myself... will update this post if it works

edit: no does not work.. but jumping to any hermes rom SPL works excellent :)
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] apokryphus:
Okay, but my idea was just to get in the spl by bootloader on a trintiy and check the input, if the os is working it will in fact produce other information, wich would be quit different to the hermes spl output and could not directly compared.
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] emugpp:
I'm sorry, I got a chance to read up on the threads...I have an XDA-trion..not trinity, got all cought up in the rush.

I still don't quite get this:

apocryptos signature..

o2 Xda trion with SuperCID

Rom: 2.05.255.1 Test

RadioRom: 1.33.00.11 (Trinity GPS-Enabed)

ExtendedRom: 1.18.257.9620 E-Plus

Bootloader: 1.01

RadioBootloader: 0108

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the (trinity GPS-enabled) RadioRom? Does that mean that he got the GPS working? the threads are saying its still not working properly right?
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] echoz:
Its just saying that the Radio ROM has the ability to "see" and interact with the the GPS module
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] pof:
GREAT NEWS!!! :D :D :D

This means Trinity Radios, as well as Breeze radios are compatible with Hermes. All 3 devices share the same radio chipset: Qualcomm MSM6275

I will cook a NBH with the radio from that rom on NBF so we can flash it, will post it here this afternoon.

We will need to import ril.dll, rilgsm.dll, gpschannel.dll, and probably some registry settings as HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Drivers\BuiltIn\GPSChannel from the Trinity ROM. But to test if the device works it is better to start from bootloader (AT command interpreter) using at@startgps and at@stopgps commands, if we can get some NMEA data from bootloader then is worth the effort of cooking a rom with the needed trinity files, otherwise means hermes hardware is not capable (lacks something) and we'll have to investigate more.
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] SaarAvigour:
Sun75, in certain embedded GPS solutions (such as in Trinity, but also in IPaq 69xx, etc.) the "trigger" opening and closing GPS is actually a(ny) SatNav (software) application (aka TomTom/IGo/Destinator/Younameit). You configure the port of communication between the SatNav Solution and embedded GPS via the config means in the software, usually burried somewhere behind the [GPS/settings] menu.

If you wanna dig in even deeper, you can expose the GPS applet of WM5 by actually editing your registry (covered in this forum several times so a search will show how).

In any case, HMI wise you still can use a SatNav App. to act as GPS On/Off trigger.

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Saar