yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] qsqa:
@sun75

It's strange but on the same ROM (1.35.255.2) but with radio 1.20 I can choose serial port no 9 in e.g. Bluetooth Settings -> COM Ports -> New Outgoing Port and also this port is visible in navigation program. So problem must be in ported RadioROM somewhere...
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] sun75:
Ok Pof,

so I have to include these other files.....

two questions:

1) how I can extract these files from the original dopod "trinity" rom?

2) how can I unXIP these file to insert them in cabs?

thank you!
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] DAFTEK:
pof, got it, ill hold of then and wait, let me know if you want me to test thou :p
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] pof:
1. NBHextract.exe RUU_signed.nbh

2. prepare_imgfs.exe OS.nb

3. view_imgfs.exe imgfs_raw_data.bin

Files will be in "dump" folder.

no idea... i'm trying to put them inside hermes htc 1.35 ROM with add_file.exe, and cook a new OS.nb including it, but still haven't succeed. Maybe someone has better ideas.
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] sun75:
Yes, ok, but with Bluetooth you have added a new port.....instead, you have to see com9 "by default" already assigned by the OS to the GPS module.

Bye!:)
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] mousey_:
Sun Have You Got The fit4cat Hermes Tweeker On Your Device. If You Have Check The Box That Says 'Enable GPS Settings' Once You've Done That And A Soft Reset I Think. Go Into Start Menu > Setting > Connections And In There There Should Be A GPS Application Launcher Which You Can Then Choose Com9 As Your Port.

Cheers

Mousey
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] i||uSi0n^:
i have one question, if i flash this new radio rom do i lose my warranty ? i have a HTC Tytn with:

ROM version: 1.18.255.3

ROM date: 05/30/06

Radio version: 1.03.03.10

Protocol version: 32.34.7010.01H

ExtROM version: 1.18.255.105

How can i find which bootloader do i have? i checked "WIKI" but it seems that my rom version aint stated there...?

i||uSi0n^
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] pof:
Yes, and probably your device too if you don't know what you are doing.

Read the wiki upgrading FAQs.
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] Olipro:
or go to HKLM/ControlPanel/GPS Settings and change Hide to 0 then soft-reset
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] sun75:
already done....but no results....when selecting that port the device hangs and have to soft-reset!

bye!
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] Olipro:
well, I just set mine to COM9 (bear in mind I have a regular Radio ROM) and it *didn't* crash, so evidently something is working for you!
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] spiritofseth:
Wow I just won an HTC hermes 8525 yesterday and now all the good stuff is happening, cracked radio rom and GPS woohoo! now what to do with this bluetooth GPS module from my Wizard.
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] i||uSi0n^:
yeah its a great start to 2007, already waiting for an offical rom update and now this gps thing, its just perfect!, but im bit worried given that i will lose my warranty if i flash another radio...and the fact im not really used to this flashing and that im on vista (which in itself is a problem, but i saw on wiki that there is a way to update rom using sd card) so some hope there...but i will wait till everything is figured out...

i||uSi0n^
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] mitch345:
Another idea

Hi guys,

Great job !

Now we know that we can flash the radio of the Trinity but we need to integrate some files to use the GPS on our Hermes.

Why you don't try to flash the Trinity ROM directly ?

We will have the GPS and the AKU 3.3 !!!

The next step will probably be to find a way to activate the hardware keyboard...
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] tbern123:
I don't know much, I only just got my VArio II but I don't think it would be a good idea to flash a rom for a defferent device.. I know they have the same chipset,, But I wouldn't try it.. Further to previous posts.. sorry only small balls here
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] Olipro:
I have no idea if the Trinity has a Samsung CPU in it; if it doesn't then doing so would definitely render the device useless.

although with that said, assuming the OS is the same bytesize, it might be possible to recover.
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] pof:
Flashing OS.nb from trinity on hermes, doesn't boot at all, goes to bootloader directly. Can't even show rom version on splash screen. Device does not get screewed anyway, you can flash back another OS.nb from hermes and return to normal state.
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] BongoUser:
What i read here ? Hermes has GPS inside? Not really ?

When someone cook a ROM with AKU 3 and GPS for TyTN, don't forget the

German members here :)

Any tweaks needed too?

I think i can finish my new tweaker next week.
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] mitch345:
Do you have an idea what could be the problem when flashing the OS.nb of the Trinity on the Hermes ?

I ask you that because I always heard that the Trinity and Hermes had EXACTLY the same hardware excepted the hardware keyboard. So it is maybe the right direction to investigate...

An other idea I have is to look on the extended rom of the new trinity rom, there is maybe a cab who install the necessary stuff to start the GPS...

One more time... GREAT JOB GUYS !
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] sajib:
I dont think the gps is only related to radio rom we also need to port the trinity os portion too..i think we have to do two task atonce creating a aku 3 rom and activating GPS....

i cant wait to see more success....going to bed now (its 1am here in my place) hopefully will see some major progress tomorrow morning....

advance thanks t all the BIG BALLS
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] Koksie:
So we have two tasks at hand. First we have to determine which files from the Trinity OS control the GPS. Second we have to port these files to the Hermes. Since most of the hardware is identical, I think that once we have singled out the Trinity GPS files there should be no problem in running them on the Hermes.

Flashing the whole ROM on the other hand seems very hard to me. The keyboard alone makes this a very difficult, since even if the ROM would work, we would have to incorporate the keyboard drivers into the new ROM. For now I think the "easiest" way is to find the right files and port them to the Hermes.

BTW: For me, enabling the GPS is far more important than the Aku 3.xx or Crossbow.
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] Dukas:
I managed to flash the Trinity radio to my TyTN.

Radio version is 1.22.01.01 while Protocol version is 35.54.7020.01H.

Using mtty.exe I did get the NMEA statements but it meaningless for me.

Currently I'm waiting for other ideas coming for the gentleman around to test on my device.
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] jompao:
Wow, if this can be done my tytn is complete!!!
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] sun75:
Some bad news

Today I was not able to test the NMEA messages in open sky because I was in the office.:)

But as I returned home, I tried it immediately outside, in open sky: I have to tell you that after 30 minutes of working (boot loader AT command interface) I get no other NMEA messages other than that ones I posted during this afternoon = I get no coordinates, no data at all!

I hope I done something wrong or maybe the GPS has to be initialized some way....

Maybe we have the GPS chipset because integrated into the radio module, but there is no GPS antenna connected or installed?

Bye!
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] Dukas:
I faced the same result and share the same feelings with you.

Lets hoe we all wrong.
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] adewidt:
I have a Trinity and toke a quick look at the registry and files for GPS entries.

I have zipped all registy entries and GPS driver files.

Please let me know if somebody need any other files or registry entries.

Good luck ;)
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] mrvanx:
Well done people.

Can i just say that you guys are ALL LEGENDS.!!

Been away from the forums for a while and just been looking about tomtom PPC. Ma friend has been using it with his Wizard and a Bluetooth GPS module...

...i read a while back that the chip in the Hermes had the possibility for GPS but i didnt realise it could be unlocked?!?!

As soon as we see acooked ROM thats got all these fancy new functions we have seen the hermes will just be even more so worth the cash we all paid.

Pof et all (cant remember all your names guys sorry) THANKYOU!!!

(I would offer to help but its WAAAAY outta my league this stuff)
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] ionide:
Ok, i just extracted the Trinity GPS enabled RUU rom on my PC, and i have located rilgsm.dll, gpschannel.dll, gpsapi.dll and gpsid.dll

Can i just copy these files to the windows directory on my Hermes?
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] Olipro:
in short? no.
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] ionide:
No, i tried already. :(

I thought it could be done, just like on a PC. Guess i'll wait until a GPS enabled rom is cooked up.
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] kockie:
@Dukas: The missing AT-command perhaps? AT@startGPS
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] pof:
No... after at@startgps we can pull NMEA data from the qualcomm MSM6275 chip, but always 0 satellites in view... which probably means the hardware lacks the proper RF amplifier connected or an antenna.

This is the AT command interpreter output:

NMEA$GPGSV,1,1,00*79
NMEA$GPGGA,,,,,,0,,,,,,,,*66
NMEA$GPRMC,,V,,,,,,,,,,N*53
NMEA$GPGSA,A,1,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,*32
NMEA$GPVTG,,T,,M,,N,,K*4E
NMEA$GPGSV,1,1,00*79
NMEA$GPGGA,,,,,,0,,,,,,,,*66
NMEA$GPRMC,,V,,,,,,,,,,N*53
NMEA$GPGSA,A,1,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,*32
NMEA$GPVTG,,T,,M,,N,,K*4E
NMEA$GPGSV,1,1,00*79
NMEA$GPGGA,,,,,,0,,,,,,,,*66
NMEA$GPRMC,,V,,,,,,,,,,N*53
NMEA$GPGSA,A,1,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,*32
NMEA$GPVTG,,T,,M,,N,,K*4E
NMEA$GPGSV,1,1,00*79
NMEA$GPGGA,,,,,,0,,,,,,,,*66
NMEA$GPRMC,,V,,,,,,,,,,N*53
NMEA$GPGSA,A,1,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,*32
NMEA$GPVTG,,T,,M,,N,,K*4E
NMEA$GPGSV,1,1,00*79
NMEA$GPGGA,,,,,,0,,,,,,,,*66
NMEA$GPRMC,,V,,,,,,,,,,N*53
NMEA$GPGSA,A,1,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,*32
NMEA$GPVTG,,T,,M,,N,,K*4E

This is the description of each NMEA sentence code shown:

$GPGSV - GPS Satellites in View

$GPGGA - Global Positioning System Fix Data

$GPRMC - Recommended Minimum Specific GPS/TRANSIT Data

$GPGSA - GPS DOP and Active Satellites

$GPVTG - Track Made Good and Ground Speed

This is a NMEA cycle, and my comments about what it means:

$GPGSV,1,1,00*79 ==> 0 Satellite Vechicles in view

$GPGGA,,,,,,0,,,,,,,,*66 ==> No GPS Fix data available

$GPRMC,,V,,,,,,,,,,N*53 ==> V in field 2 means navigation receiver warning (invalid position)

$GPGSA,A,1,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,*32 ==> Automatic mode (3D/2D) & Fix not available

$GPVTG,,T,,M,,N,,K*4E ==> NO GPS data available (degrees, speed...)

So I guess we can't have the GPS working with the hardware we have... :( however we learned new things about hermes / trinity radios :)
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] tbern123:
Gutted..... I have been watching this very closly... Is there anyway to confirm what the problem maybe ??
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] BongoUser:
How long you have wait outside ?

Perhaps it need a long time for first satfix.

(pof - You have pn)
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] pof:
I've waited for 10-15 min... with hermes in outside window.... will try to test again before going to sleep tonight
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] chymmylt:
Could be - I know with my USB GPS unit that when I plug it in for the first time it takes like 10-15 minutes until it picks up a Sat - once it's acquired them once, it picks them up in seconds on future connection but if I format the HD or install the GPS on a new computer - I have to wait that 10-15 minutes for it to acquire them again - maybe the TyTN's hardware is in this state or maybe it needs some initialization from the software before for it to start the initial Sats that the Trinity does automatically since it has the correct software installed but the TyTN isn't because it's missing the software? Probably mostly wishful hoping on my part! :(
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] pof:
It's not a matter of drivers, the chip is capable of it and we can access it from bootloader... if the proper RF amplifier was connected, it will start showing other NMEA data in a few minutes, of corse it will need a cold start but it _must_ see some SVs before getting a Fix, and it doesn't seem to see them at all.
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] chymmylt:
Did you just put it on the window or outside? When trying to acquire the sat for the first time on my USB GPS unit, I find if I put it on the window inside the house - even though there's no trees around the window, it tends to have a hard time picking them up. In fact, when I first got it, it sat there for 2 hours without picking any up and I was on the way to the store to return it thinking that it was broken that it picked them up (figured I'd leave it on as I drove just incase). Once it acquire them the first time it had no problem picking them up from the window in my house. Maybe try leaving it in acquisition mode, put it on your car dash and go for a 30 minute drive on the highway? :D
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] chymmylt:
I don't suppose hooking up an external powered antenna would do it? (not that I have one to test - just hopelessly brainstorming here)
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] rassah:
Since it aquired the lock so quickly on the Trinity, perhaps this GPS gets its almanac over the web or cell signal instead of from the satelites?
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] :
@pof: Can you create a Wiki-Article? This Thread is making me dizzy, too much info.:confused:
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] RonenB:
@Dukas: Come over to my office today. Let's put the device under a GPS repeater where there is a very strong signal and see what we get.

@POF: how about having a look at Qualcomm website. Does this chip really needs an external antenna?
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] guilherme:
Good news,

But, if tytn and p3600(trinity) has the chipset why HTC sell them without this feature?

Just to sell more p3300? Will htc realease official roms with gps activated for tytn and trinity? I doubt.

I've a Portuguese rom of tytn, a new cab with gps actived for my tytn this would be great:cool: but it won't happens :(

If HTC release this rooms, will be a long wait for Portuguese roms:mad:
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] Dukas:
Ronen,

I wish I had time for that.

3GSM is coming and I still had soooooo much work to finish.
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] Dukas:
Some more (?) info:

While waiting for long time I noticed that the NEMA$GPGSV statement is changing during time.

After 20 minutes I still have no fix.

Continue waiting .....
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] Dukas:
Currently the log looks like:

A$GPGSV,1,1A02,25,,,21,27,,,21*79

NMEA$GPGGA,,,,,,0,,,,,,,,*66

NMEA$GPRMC,02,A$GPGSV,1,1,02,25,,,21,27,,,21*79

NMEA$GPGGA,,,,,,0,,,,,,,,*66

NMEA$GPRMC,,2,NMEA$GPGSA,A,1,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,*32

NMEA$GPVTG,,T,,M,,N,,K*4E

NA$GPGSV,1,1,12,25,,,21,,7,,,21*79

NMEA$GPGGA,,,,,,0,,,,,,,,N6

NMEA$GPRMC,,V,,,,,,,,,,N*53

NM9A$GPGSA,A,1,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,*32

NMEA$GPVTG,,T,,M,,N,,K*4E

NA$GPGSV,1,1,0,,25,,,21,27,,,21*79

NMEA$GPGGA,,,,,,0,,,,,,,,*66

NMEA$GPRMC,,,,,,N*53

NMEA$GPGSA,A,1,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,*32

NMEA$GPVTG,,T,,M,,N,4,

*53NMEAA$GPGSV,1,1A01,25,,,21*7C

NMEA$GPGGA,,,,,,0,,,,,,,,*66

NMEA$GPRMC,,V,,,,,,0,,,N*53

NMEA$GPGSA,A,1,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,*32

NMEA$GPVTG,,T,,M,,N,

Any idea if we make any progress here ????
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] Dukas:
Some more info.

NMEA$GPGSV,1,1,04,05,,,21,07,,,22,30,,,21,24,,,19*72

After examine the GSV statement I noticed I manage to receive between 1 to 4 satellites but the SNR is very bad (around 20) and their position is ignored :-(
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] chymmylt:
Probably have to wait for Pof to come do his magic decoding ;) but looking back at his post where he gives the keys - he says:

and it certainly looks like that's chaged - could it mean that there are now Sat's in view??? :D :D - we can only hope! :)
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] smarty77:
Maybe

Maybe some of the one's with big balls ;-) can check a developer from the trinity thread... Maybe they also had the same problems that you guys discovers.. Why invent things twice???

Just an Idea... :)

(sorry for the bad english :D )
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] Koksie:
From the data Dukas supplied it seems that the chip can see satellites in the sky, but the fix and position data still show missing values. This could mean two things:

1. The chip lacks the proper hardware connected to it to get a good fix.

2. The hardware is all there, but we are missing an essential software piece of the puzzle.

The first is of course the end of our hopes and dreams regarding our TyTNs. The second could be resolved by taking a very close look at the Trinity. Unfortunately I am far too unexperienced to solve this. I will have a look at the Trinity threads, but since Pof was also deeply involved in there and does not know what is missing here, I am afraid that it is not that easy to solve.

edit: From the Trinity threads:

-The Qualcom 6275 has an accuracy of 95% in 15 minutes, so we should wait at least 15 min for a fix.

-On the Trinity, the first attempts with Destinator only worked with BT on, otherwise no fix could be obtained. Dit you guys try enabling BT to see if that helps? Apparently the BT on is only needed for Destinator, not for e.g. TomTom, what apps are you guys using to check the availability of GPS? Or are you only using the AT commands to check it? perhaps the chip needs a GPS application to get it to obtain a fix?

I know, not much help, but you nver know.
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] tadzio:
Well - the GPGSV sentence still looks strange. Here is what it should look like (by example)

[B]$GPGSV[/B]

GPS Satellites in view
eg. $GPGSV,3,1,11,03,03,111,00,04,15,270,00,06,01,010,00,13,06,292,00*74
$GPGSV,3,2,11,14,25,170,00,16,57,208,39,18,67,296,40,19,40,246,00*74
$GPGSV,3,3,11,22,42,067,42,24,14,311,43,27,05,244,00,,,,*4D

$GPGSV,1,1,13,02,02,213,,03,-3,000,,11,00,121,,14,13,172,05*62

1 = Total number of messages of this type in this cycle
2 = Message number
3 = Total number of SVs in view
4 = SV PRN number
5 = Elevation in degrees, 90 maximum
6 = Azimuth, degrees from true north, 000 to 359
7 = SNR, 00-99 dB (null when not tracking)
8-11 = Information about second SV, same as field 4-7
12-15= Information about third SV, same as field 4-7
16-19= Information about fourth SV, same as field 4-7

So the third number in a GPGSV sentence is the important one. There can be a maximum of 13 satellites be visible at the same point in time, so this number must be between 0 and 13 (but a Qualcomm chip is very unlikely to "see" even 12 satellites at the same time).

So, the number 1A02 we see in the log doesn't make any sense. Nor does the 12 really, as then the GPGSV sentence would have to contain satellite data starting at field 4.

Especially the 1A02 value makes me fear that we just see random data. :(

Cheers

Daniel
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] Koksie:
So what about his update?

The value now reads NMEA$GPGSV,1,1,04,05,,,21,07,,,22,30,,,21,24,,,19* 72.

Does that mean that there are 4 satellites in sight? The missing data could mean that although the satellites are found, the signal is too weak to provide the postitions, or the fix was not long enough. Could mean that the hardware is lacking in signal reception, possibly due to lack of an antenna.
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] bobstarina:
Yea, it looks like you are found 4 satellites.

You've got an elevation information from them but no azimuth data received.

Signal is very weak but sometimes I've got such a situation with my GlobalSat BT-338. In some cases I'm waiting for a half of an hour to get a fix in Moscow.

So maybe it's early to put our hands down...
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] TRJS:
Question: Do we know if AT@STARTGPS is sufficient to get the GPS work properly, are there no parameters and no other AT-commands needed (did maybe someone try the AT-command on a Trinity)?

Otherwise maybe it would help to take a closer look at Trinity: Take a standart ROM, flash *only* the GPS-enabled Radio-ROM and try to get the GPS working with the standart OS-ROM - i.e. install the GPS-DLLs & make the registry entries manually to see what is needed/if there's anything that we're missing. If someone would manage to get the GPS working on a Trinity this way then we had a "guide" how to do it on a Hermes. Just a thought.
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] ibanyard:
Why not just get a trinity owner to try the AT commands in bootloader? Then compare with our traces
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] kockie:
Chipset is working, signals are too weak.

And if you have a look to the pictures of the motherboard, it seems to be clear: Antenna missing...:-(

Perhaps we have to buildin a patch antenna by ourselves.
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] pof:
Seems we got a bit more, but still unuseful to get valid data from it.

No, we don't know for sure, but logic says it should work like this.

Trinity doesn't have 'rtask' bootloader command, they can't access the AT command interface.

They can't flash extracted radio upgrades on trinity. They have to flash always full ROM (containing radio).
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] ionide:
But i can't find an antenna on trinity pictures either. I think we need better internal pictures of them both, high-res and of the entire circuit board, not just the chips.
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] vador:
I agree and I said that before.. I can't see either an antenna in trinity..
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] vijay555:
Won't that info be on the FCC's website?

V
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] pof:
Good idea Vijay :)

This is FCC info for hermes:

https://gullfoss2.fcc.gov/prod/oet/...ame=N&application_id=518905&fcc_id=NM8HERM100

This is FCC info for Trinity:

EDIT: wrong link...

Let's dig a bit inside those docs!
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] ionide:
Ghe, i was about to post these links, but you where just ahead of me. :)

Very interesting stuff in there though! High-res pics of everything! Kudo's to Vijay for the idea!
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] Dukas:
It looks like HTC used Hermes photos for the Trinity filing.

Not sure how legal is that.

BTW - according to our company legal department that fact that the device has GPS capabilities (even if its deactivated) without declaring it to the FCC might cancel the FCC approval for the device !!!!
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] jasjamming:
Is it just me or the docs posted on the FCC, whether HERM100 or Trinity both refer to the HERM100?
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] jasjamming:
hrmmm,,,,, well if the HER100 and TRIN100 are "internally identical", then I guess that maybe only the herm100 was used?

Who knows...
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] pof:
Sorry the FCC link for Trinity was wrong... anyone has the right one?