yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[Nexus 6 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] scandalousk:
If that's the case then Google clearly chose the ambient display (which requires amoled) over an IPS display. The note 4 arguably has the best screen in the world and we don't don't know if Google could get their hands on the iPhone 6 display. Maybe they tried and still couldn't get it.

Google can still calibrate the display properly. We'll just have to wait and see.
[Nexus 6 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Dr Faustus:
We can also, you know...Make calibrations ourselves as well once Custom Kernels make their rounds..

If colour reproduction is an issue we should have little to worry if we can modify it in due time.
[Nexus 6 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] RW-1:
Here's how to find out - go look at one yourself before purchase.
[Nexus 6 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] EniGmA1987:
You are going to have to post a source for that, because I dont believe the Z3 has 850nit brightness at all. A quick Google search showed nothing of the sort either.
[Nexus 6 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] darkrai:
http://m.gsmarena.com/sony_xperia_z3-review-1140p3.php

Go to display section

As a Nexus 4 user, i really love this screen! Its screen colors are like bundis ip5 profile (screen color tuning) with even more whiter whites and superb brightness!

Google for nexus 6

Had to search a lot for nexus 6's
[Nexus 6 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] phermey:
i am happy this was answered so i didn't have to make a post just to make sure. i know i have options for dpi and auto brighness controls on my gs2. but i have to wonder why they set it so low in the first place? was it for battery savings? is it because the reflectivity is so good that it didn't need to be higher? is it because it will burn out the organics? if the gs3, 290 nits, was good enough to see outside then i guess this one will be also. it just sucks that it is so low. and i don't know if i would want to trust a kernel that raised it.
[Nexus 6 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] belek1979:
Sony smarthones have the worst display ever. turn off bravia engine (contrast and vivid) and you will love motorola 720i ;P
[Nexus 6 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] chrisjcks:
PhoneArena state the Nexus 6 is 270nits.

& the Nexus 5 is 485nits

Yet, I'm pretty sure we've seen both phones on Max brightness next to each other with the Nexus 6 being brighter.

In fact, every video I've seen with both the Nexus 6 & Note 4 has shown the Nexus to have the brighter screen with much better whites.

.....explain!?
[Nexus 6 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] plasmastate:
Much better whites? Yes I think so. Brighter? Where on earth did you see it brighter than note 4? Please share a link?

Thanks
[Nexus 6 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] chrisjcks:
Every video I've seen with both phones together.

If the Nexus 6 is supposed to only be 270nits, how is this possible?

I've also seen an image of the Nexus 5 & 6 together on Max brightness with the 6 being brighter.

Nexus 5 is 485 nits so PhoneArenas 270nits claim makes no sense at all.

Even in PhoneArenas own video, the Nexus looks brighter than the Note 4, easily visible during browsing & the video benchmark etc.

Google Nexus 6 vs Samsung Galaxy Note 4: http://youtu.be/afOEn-zm_y0
[Nexus 6 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] mjs2011:
It's funny because when I was playing with the Note 4 in a Sprint store I was surprised to learn that the screen was at full brightness. It didn't seem all that bright to me.
[Nexus 6 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] biggiestuff:
they are probably adjusting the brightness to make it appear close to one another for easier filming. The reviewer even says the note 4s display is brighter. With that said I'm pretty sure the Nexus 6's screen is bright enough. I usually have my phone on auto brightness on all my phones anyway and rarely ever go to full brightness so i'm sure it'll be just fine for me.
[Nexus 6 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] chrisjcks:
Liam Spradlin at AndroidPolice stated the Nexus 6 was brighter than the Nexus 5 on Max brightness. (Phone arena state the Nexus 5 is 485nits)

He even showed this image with both on Max brightness.....
[Nexus 6 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] biggiestuff:
Cool, less worrying for me. I was getting the nexus 6 regardless of what people said :).
[Nexus 6 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] darkrai:
Bravia engine died long back

And if you want to compare, take a z2 and compare screen colors with any new phone (m8, g3, etc)

The screen on the z2 is so vibrant that they didn't need to work much on color tuning

They fixed almost all issues regarding to screen in z2

Z3 is that with an even brighter screen

And I can surely tell you that the whites on z3 are whiter than that on note 4 (yellowish whites on note 4)

Your statement is totally outdated!
[Nexus 6 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] doitright:
These are actually GOOD signs -- that the screen may be tuned for a more accurate and correct presentation, rather than the oversaturated ugliness that is typical of amoleds.

---------- Post added at 03:33 AM ---------- Previous post was at 03:21 AM ----------

One really has to wonder, with numbers like that, if phonearena was smart enough to turn off adaptive brightness.

Adaptive brightness is basically a *mixture* of automatic and manual brightness. It is an automatic brightness with a SLIDER that lets you set your own "brightness feel", so if you jack the adaptive brightness slider all the way to the maximum, it won't output maximum brightness, rather it will make it "feel high" across the range of ambient light intensities. It will only actually hit maximum brightness when out in the sun.
[Nexus 6 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Baldilocks:
Don't go by PhoneArena's review of the Nexus 6 screen. Every other review of the phone says the screen is very legible outdoors. I don't even have the phone yet and I would bet that their 'NIT' rating is way off on this one.
[Nexus 6 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] mjs2011:
So basically what we've learned today is that nits don't really matter.
[Nexus 6 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] spartanm99:
This was posted from someone who used the Nexus 6 recently - it is extremely disappointing news about the screen.

Quote:

Originally Posted by fvicente

I went and played with the phone today at my T-Mobile store. It felt great; coming from a note 3 the size wasn't an issue. It feels FAST. The camera takes instant shots like the iPhone. The only dealbreaker is the screen. Even cranked up to max brightness it had a yellowish tinge compared to my year old note 3. Saturation pales compared to the iPhone 6+ and G3 they had at the store and my old note 3. Brightness want close either. Shame, because I'm dying for a clean android experience without locked boot loaders.

Thread: http://xdaforums.com/nexus-6/general/try-nexus-6-days-released-t-mobile-t2928312/page11

Cliffs:

- Screen is less bright than the iPhone, Note 4 AND Note 3

- Screen has worse colour/saturation than the iPhone, Note 4 and Note 3

Exactly what I've (and others) have said for a little while now. The screen is a bigger version of the screen in the Note 3 with higher pixel count, but lower brightness and worse colours/saturation. Terrible that Google would even release such a phone and call it premium all-round. Should've gone with IPS 1080P instead.
[Nexus 6 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Baldilocks:
Which is totally opposite of what most reviews are saying. I guess it's all relative. Most reviewers are more than happy with the screen.
[Nexus 6 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] belek1979:
I dont believe sony's dropped bravia. They use cheap components. Even that funny plastic instead of gorilla glass. Plastic with sticker on it. Always reflective, scratch and full of finger prints... You simply cant turn off bravia, but it is still there. And it makes unnatural colors. You cant compare contrast in Zs to AMOLED in Note 4! LCD never will be as good as AMOLED (LCD is more lasting but I dont care that)
[Nexus 6 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] plasmastate:
Dude! Please don't spread false information. This is not true! He was talking about minimum brightness and how low the displays can go when set at minimum brightness.

Edit: The brightness claim he mentioned above is true. Please ignore my older post. Sorry for the confusion.
[Nexus 6 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] chrisjcks:
Wrong!

When he originally posted that picture, he clearly stated it was both devices on Max brightness.

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?p=56455504

So please stop spreading false information!
[Nexus 6 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] plasmastate:
^ I apologise. You're right. This is what he claimed. I got it all confused.
[Nexus 6 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] darkrai:
If people at a site such as android police say that z2 has a super vibrant display, you cannot simply complain unless you see it in person!

And z1 had a gorilla glass screen with an oliophobic coating on it that also causes scratches (that is the plastic)

About screen reflectivity, check gsmarena for z3's screen and I will understand how less reflective it is

And if you want to compare amoleds vs lcds, let me remind you that lcds can show 16million-1 colors accurately without much effort and amoled can only replicate blacks perfectly

Whites on note 4 are the best example (they look yellowish when compared with z3)

Another thing about Samsung amoleds are hay they are really working hard on it and it's their hard work that amoleds have come all this way

I do realise that lcds are old and primitive technology when compared to amoleds, but for now lcds are better

Links to refer - http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=agvlCD02-x0

http://www.androidpolice.com/2014/1...ream-phone-of-the-year-if-that-still-matters/

http://www.androidpolice.com/2014/0...ith-the-xperia-z2-incremental-changes-add-up/

Don't be a blind hater, try everything!

I have yet to try living with a samsung phone and will do that after the version after lollipop comes out and samsung introduces faster ram and theres 64bit with more than 4gb!
[Nexus 6 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Dr Faustus:
Likely to prevent burn-ins (which is a known issue to older AMOLED displays and still can persist in heavy conditioning) the important thing is not if we can turn the brightness up but if the brightness is just fine as it is.

One thing to note about the whole "nits" measurement is that its a test of numbers of luminescence, not eyesight comparison. The two are VERY different in the comparison.

The best way to describe what I mean is with laser research. Green lasers (532nm wavelength being the most consumer common) have the highest visibility of all lasers, however do not require high power to make them visible. The more powerful the laser is the more it can affect objects its directed on (high powered can burn objects very easily) but the visibility stays the same regardless of power because its still visible to the human eye.

With AMOLED screens the technology is to provide visibility at a stunning and vibrant level where as IPS is usually illuminated surrounding (which is why things like light bleed-ins happen) We should not be trying to compare with nits, but with human eyesight and proper conditions in normal light. The more nits do not always mean the better, less you want a screen so bright that it can burn your retinas.
[Nexus 6 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] l_stevens:
Have any xda'ers who have actually handled the phone taken it out in bright sunlight and reported back?
[Nexus 6 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] SeanPlunk:
A Member received his and posted this shot with his Note 3 on the left and both screens cranked to maximum brightness:

The Note 3 goes even brighter than that on auto brightness too. In my experience I can read my Note 3 in the sunlight at maximum brightness pretty easily, but the auto boost is nice. I expect that as long as you crank the brightness all the way up the Nexus 6 will be fine, but not as bright as the Note 3/Note 4.
[Nexus 6 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] rman18:
Seems plenty bright to me... but I can't check in the sun yet because its raining buckets here. Also, I wonder if you put it at max if its really at max because of adaptive?

Edit: Im an idiot... you can shut adaptive brightness off, then of course it should be max.
[Nexus 6 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Pilz:
It's not as bright as the G3 that I have but it's easier to read on direct sunlight.

Edit: also don't take the reviews to heart the screen is really nice, better than my G3 it does turn sightly pink at 0 brightness but that's good for nighttime reading. I love the nice colors and quality.
[Nexus 6 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] rman18:
Coming from the Moto X, the resolution is AMAZING. I watched some videos and I'm really impressed.
[Nexus 6 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] jmill75:
Coming from someone who has a had damn near every phone that ever came out..no seriously

The screen is plenty bright on the 6. I have it just above 50% brightness and its perfect.

This is just another one of those silly issues that get way blown out of proportion when a new device comes out, especially when the device takes as long to reach the public's hands as the N6 has.
[MDA III, XDA III, PDA2k, 9090 Software Upgrading] hardingt0110:
Is this ROM ever going to be leaked from microsoft (i presume this was how wm5 be started)?

Porting seems to be very unstable from what I have heard
[MDA III, XDA III, PDA2k, 9090 Software Upgrading] Biohead:
A WM5 rom was never released by microsoft, although it was known to exist. It's highly unlikely MS will create a WM6 dev rom for the BA at all.

Remember, the BA originally shipped with WM2003SE. WM5 was a struggle to get working, WM6 should (by an unwritten law) be unable to run on the BA. But there are some gods out there so you never know.
[MDA III, XDA III, PDA2k, 9090 Software Upgrading] vijay555:
Many drivers in WM6 are almost exactly the same as WM5 AFAIK. Drivers are normally the big problem, so if you have good drivers for the BA, then it's a possibility.... but don't hold your breath.

V
[MDA III, XDA III, PDA2k, 9090 Software Upgrading] hardingt0110:
So was wm5 BA never really created by microsoft?

In that case, who did create it? Did someone do it from scratch?

If they did, why can't they do it in crossbow (wm6 Blue Angel)?
[MDA III, XDA III, PDA2k, 9090 Software Upgrading] vijay555:
I think it's a bastard son of a Wizard leak.

V
[MDA III, XDA III, PDA2k, 9090 Software Upgrading] kerio:
hardingt0110 :

You still didn't read the wiki and the older threads as I told you few weeks ago:)

But Microsoft is the one who makes OS (WM5, WM2003SE,WM2003,...).

O2, Vodafone, T-Mobile, Cingular... are the ones who adapt WMx to devices.

WM5 for BA has been ported from different (but very similar) device that already comes with WM5 by xda-developers.

You cant buy it (WM6), even if you want:) So be patient
[MDA III, XDA III, PDA2k, 9090 Software Upgrading] EQUANCY:
The Roms never released for devices by microsoft, the producers use and adapt roms for him devices.

If HTC use Wm6 rom for him devices and Reproduce or advance BA to the WM6 or similar device then we can see WM6.

Other side If anybody can write or adapt device drivers that can be... Core software hasn't any driver i think. May be someone can syncronise Wm6 shell and BA (or resemble device) Wm5 drivers

And may be work :)

what a dream huh...
[MDA III, XDA III, PDA2k, 9090 Software Upgrading] xplode:
BA WM5 base rom is genuine created for BA, and just the OS (with AKU's and stuff) part was aded to this rom ported from another device.This base rom was leaked by one of the operators
[MDA III, XDA III, PDA2k, 9090 Software Upgrading] nht_max:
I suppose that the needed kernel would be created by someone somehow someday, because basically Microsoft creates the new ROM, gives it to the manufacturers, then the manus will try to adapt the ROM to their devices.

As I saw somewhere on the net saying the ROM can be adapted and flashed to any device, as long as the manus manage to write the necessary drivers.v.v...those kinds of stuff. It sounds logical to me. What do you guys think 'bout this?
[MDA III, XDA III, PDA2k, 9090 Software Upgrading] fraser:
nht_max, that's what I thought as well but I never said anything, bowing to those who know more about these things. IMHO it is not needed to recompile the kernel unless it's for a new architecture. Proved the correct drivers can be located and they are compatible with WM6, then it should just work.
[MDA III, XDA III, PDA2k, 9090 Software Upgrading] nht_max:
Recompiling may be necessary, I think because the new ROM is much different from the old WM5. Though I believe it'll be available some nice day.
[MDA III, XDA III, PDA2k, 9090 Software Upgrading] xplode:
Crossbow

You may be right about this, i have ported the OS part to BA rom without any changes in XIP section of rom (old core 5.1.195) and the device with this rom does not boot at all, so if the original core 5.2.x is ported to a BA rom it will work correctly, almost all OS files are related to the WM core, and if a function that they seek is not where it should be unpredicted crashes may occure.

But i think we should wait a lil more before try experiments like this, we have no any documentation about WM6, we don't know how the things work inside, it is similar to WM5 but defenately not the same. We must learn how it works and then port it and modify it to our own taste.

Also the leaked roms are from early beta stage, so they are not so stable and usable as the final version.We should wait a bit for the first official rom and build something stable enough from it for common usage. And i am not talking about BA here i am talking about rom cooking for all devices.
[MDA III, XDA III, PDA2k, 9090 Software Upgrading] sostekit:
Hi,

have u changed coredll.dll in xip boot?

the devices not boot in same mode if u try aku 3.5 and have coredll.dll of aku 3.2

@Tuatara,

please help me for relocating more space in xip boot
[MDA III, XDA III, PDA2k, 9090 Software Upgrading] xplode:
of course not, AKU 3.5 runs fine with the old core without problems, but for crossbow the coredll should be changed in order to work, the thing is that it is bigger than the old core.

I have no knowledge of editing XIP, thats why i am stuck at this point, but i have read here on the forums that the coredll.dll can be changed with one with the exact same size, and the crossbow one is bigger.
[MDA III, XDA III, PDA2k, 9090 Software Upgrading] sostekit:
I have tried to run aku 3.5 with coredll.dll for aku 3.2 (not 3.3) and not working....(but perhaps I mistake method)

I know that there is a way in order to increase and relocate the files in xip with dumpromx but I do not know if it works for the modules (old post Tuatara on xda)

and however I have read that it must edit vdata and pdata in the modules for the just address (oki and sp3dev on buzzdev)

but sp3dev and oki not working on blu devices only tuatara have necessary experience on blu devices and I believe can help
[MDA III, XDA III, PDA2k, 9090 Software Upgrading] fraser:
I don't understand this. Recompiling is only required for a different architecture in my experience, but I've not done much with this platform myself. Is it linking in specific BA drivers or something?

I agree 100%, though I'm sure some of you will still tinker around. Interesting stuff.
[MDA III, XDA III, PDA2k, 9090 Software Upgrading] xplode:
we can use BA wm5 drivers, they should work fine, WM5 is 5.1.x and WM6 is 5.2.x not a major 6.0.x release do the changes are not so drastic and the drivers should work

look at windows windows 2000 uses the same drivers as xp, windows 2000 is NT5 xp is NT5.1
[MDA III, XDA III, PDA2k, 9090 Software Upgrading] hardingt0110:
OK guys, thanks for your help.

So basically the main part of the wm5 rom for the BA was made by an unnamed operator, who decided not to release it, but it was leaked to xda-developers.

Then the developers made the aku's and customisations from scratch / ported from other devices, and combined them to make a full wm5 rom.

Some people (xplode and others) seem to think that the wm5 main part rom can be used to host all the bells and whistles from wm6.

So basically, all we need to do is wait untill an official very stable wm6 rom is made for a Blue Angel like device, port it, and we're all set!

Am I right?

Oh, and one last question: is the name for the main part of the rom a "kernel"? thanks,

Always be faithful in the xda-developers,

hardingt0110-1
[MDA III, XDA III, PDA2k, 9090 Software Upgrading] hardingt0110:
Looking at other threads, some think it may be necesary to use sd cards as rom.

I have two sd cards (1gb and 2gb) which I swap between on my BA to allow me to have tomtom maps and movies on my device.

Untill now, I have ignored extrom.

Is it possible for me to install the extrom on both cards, so that I can swap them over when I want?

hardingt0110-1
[MDA III, XDA III, PDA2k, 9090 Software Upgrading] Tuatara:
Still Lurking ...

Hey There ... I thought I might just come out of the woodwork for a little bit ...

I've been quite able to make some space in the XIP section by moving files around (to make space for larger boot registries, etc.), but I haven't had any luck with moving around modules. I think it was mamaich (and/or bepe) who managed to get the new core.dll (which has the new LASS_xxx entry points) into the BA XIP section ... but I haven't had the time to see how they managed it.

I do have the source for RomMaster & dumprom, and will be going through the details at some point - when I have the time (which is always lacking). In the same way as figuring out the Acer ROM for mamaich's tools - I'll need to see if we can dump out and 'move' modules & files around to make the space required. This may just have to be a 'one off' manual hex editing job though (fixing the tables).

While in theory the WM5 drivers should work just fine, a number of our "WM5" drivers are still 2003SE versions. How long we can keep using the old drivers is anyone's guess.

In short - as long as the XIP section contains all of the entry points and support calls required by the 'new' OS, and can start the "new" OS, then the OS portion of the ROM can be replaced. This is what we are doing with the BA now. The XIP section is still (effectively) the original leaked WM5 build, with very little, and as little replaced as possible, but just enough in order to boot the "new" OS, which has been put in the remainder of the ROM.

For reference, you can find a listing of the new functions in core.dll from here:

http://blogs.msdn.com/windowsmobiledocs/

As far as I know (from xda-dev & runour mill) the core.dll entry points have not changed between versions wm5/6 ... but that's not to say that some things don't operate differently.

Only time will tell if we can port/hack wm6 on to a Blue Angel.
[MDA III, XDA III, PDA2k, 9090 Software Upgrading] the_scotsman:
Its not his new one, its just one modified with a built in WIsbar skin...
[MDA III, XDA III, PDA2k, 9090 Software Upgrading] imatrix:
beware of getting your BA bricked by flashing wrong ROM!
[MDA III, XDA III, PDA2k, 9090 Software Upgrading] cescof:
Hy could you suggest me where find PV ROM Download Center??

thanks

Regards
[MDA III, XDA III, PDA2k, 9090 Software Upgrading] viscocesco:
Here you can find the PV ROM Download Center.

The Rom is 5.35.05.WWE by xplode with WisBar Advanced Desktop and WM6 theme. The Rom is cooked by PDAViet.
[MDA III, XDA III, PDA2k, 9090 Software Upgrading] hugo_boo:
i've chatted with PhamThanhDat-who cooked the R5 Wisbar Edion-he said that the next build of this rom is finished and in test-progress! I'll keep in touch with him and post a review when the rom is released!
[MDA III, XDA III, PDA2k, 9090 Software Upgrading] xplode:
also one more thing, if he used my kitchen to cook it the rom will have module overlapping in few modules, in my current rom there is no such thing ... It hass few bugs (presented in my old versions too) which i am trying to fix, so until i am done there will be no new rom from me.
[MDA III, XDA III, PDA2k, 9090 Software Upgrading] david247police:
Keyboard

I have updated to this ROM... WOrks really well and so much quicker - the only issue is that my keyboard no longer functions
[MDA III, XDA III, PDA2k, 9090 Software Upgrading] dannybut:
good rom but I’m loosing wifi connection, both static and dhcp????