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[Xposed General] TheDannemand:
I don't know how many of the folks who say "we" should start working on Xposed for Lollipop (and preferably yesterday) would actually know how to do it. My impression is most are just eager to get it for themselves, and thus kindly offering to test it if Rovo could please give it to them, wink-wink.

I believe the source (for KitKat) is on github, so nothing is stopping anybody from digging in and getting started on their own.

But these continued nudges and guilt pitches to Rovo just have to stop. In fact I'd say close this thread with some final remark.

Assume there is no Xposed for Lollipop, period.
[Xposed General] Gorgtech:
I have used the Xposed Framework for quite a while now on both my devices and I´ll miss it ofc when I have to install the latest Android version ;) Thank you for your effort rovo89 and take your time. I know that your private life has a higher priority and I won´t request or demand any updates for Android L. I will look from time to time and if someday a update for ART is done, I´m sure that I will test it again ;)
[Xposed General] gregorina:
I thought I read somewhere that in 5.0, even though ART would be on by default, you'd still be able to switch to dalvik like you switch to ART in KK. Is this wrong?
[Xposed General] CHEF-KOCH:
It's correct you can always switch back to dalvik. (non stock only!)

Final source:

repo init -u https://android.googlesource.com/platform/manifest -b android-5.0.0_r1
[Xposed General] gregorina:
Then what's the problem? Even on 5.0, we will be able to have xposed?

edit: or is just updating xposed to work with 5.0's dalvik also a large task?
[Xposed General] AA1973:
[MENTION=4307349]gregorina[/MENTION]

There is only one runtime on Lollipop, which is ART. NO SWITCH.

http://android-developers.blogspot.de/2014/10/whats-new-in-android-50-lollipop.html?m=0

Please, could you remove your thanks above, too, as it is highly irritating...?
[Xposed General] gregorina:
awesome, thx.
[Xposed General] tarroyo:
We can only hope that Xposed for ART will be supported before the next version of Android follows after 5.0, It'll be finished when its finished you don't wanna rush something like that.
[Xposed General] akaHardison:
I am waiting xposed for ART.I have to use xprivacy to prevent some app in China get my privacy data.So I have to wait xposed for art before flash lollipop.
[Xposed General] 1619415:
My nexus 4 is running android l and yesterday (nov 3) marked the official L code day
[Xposed General] pyler:
Yes, code is out so I think [MENTION=4419114]rovo89[/MENTION] is very busy. :D
[Xposed General] niteen1593:
Now Android L SDK Available ,so how much time it will require to run on ART ?
[Xposed General] rydako:
Just shut up and wait ffs. Imagine what's it like being in Rovo's shoes, being constantly spammed with "When's xposed coming out for ART" "How much time till Xposed is ready for art" "Are you still releasing xposed for art" etc etc. I'd imagine his inbox is being spammed at the moment too.

Just wait, he'll give us an update when he is ready, no amount of pestering him will speed up the process of bringing xposed to ART.
[Xposed General] jaibar:
I disagree. Rovo's xposed framework is probably the single thing that brings me the most usefulness (and joy, to be honest) for many android devices.

So, I like of feel that there must be some way to express more gratitude- hitting the thanks button or writing it in some xda threads does not feel enough to me.

Of course, I fully respect rovo"s request on the issue, although in my perspective I disagree. Besides, some people will nag about eta for art support regardless of donation, or pro versions or whatever.

Anyway, again Rovo- please accept my huge gratitude and thanks for what you've created for us. Is there was some way to do more then words, I'd pertinent do it. But right now there isn't. Maybe consider the donations as a means of us from all over the world inviting you and your family to a nice dinner at a good restaurant or something like that, why not? You truly deserve it..
[Xposed General] mokkami:
Unfortunately it seems like, that it makes no difference if rovo would accept donations or not.

People are expecting that it is his job to maintain Xposed (for ART) and that ASSSSSSSSSAP.

So finally he could also accept donations. People are bugging anyway.

I do not expect, but i hope so badly that it will be ASSSSSSSSSSAP :) ;) :P

Anyway, take your time rovo. If it takes weeks, months, years, or never.

I have a lot of respect for what you have created for the community for free

and i am very very very grateful for this masterpiece.

Really ......masterpiece..........damn :good: :)
[Xposed General] moovID:
xposed on art

Well, xposed will be nice on ART. I will be waiting
[Xposed General] blackuse:
yea it'll be amazing to see xposed on ART. rovo take your time, just don't forget about it :)
[Xposed General] jawz101:
I wish Cydia worked and we switched to that
[Xposed General] thesparky007:
I wonder if google can help with getting xposed to work on ART...
[Xposed General] kingvortex:
Then go and bother Saurik. :D

Seriously, and with respect, that has nothing to do with Xposed and basically saying that you wish Cydia worked so everyone can abandon Xposed isn't a very respectful or decent thing to post in a thread that rovo89 has participated in.

You should go and ask about the Cydia Substrate on ART/L in the correct place if you're interested. ;)

Why would Google help with something that compromises the security of your device like the Xposed framework? I use Xposed, but Google will never provide assistance with it. They probably spent time preventing it from working, if anything.

Sent from my C6603
[Xposed General] thesparky007:
Rooting in itself compromises the security of the device... Xposed does not make it any better or worse...

Ultimately its the user that compromises the "Security" of the device...
[Xposed General] kingvortex:
Yes, it does, but that isn't the point. Google don't want you to root either, hence the continued locking down of Android via selinux.

Technically, Xposed modules do not even require root at all. You can unroot after installing the framework and it and the modules will continue to function. In fact, if you flash via recovery, root isn't needed at all.

The Xposed framework does compromise the security of your device. rovo even says that himself in the Xposed general information thread pinned in this section. For a start, a module can literally do anything it wants without your permission and without root.

So, my point was that Google will never, ever help with something that allows that sort of uncontrolled access to your device, not that root doesn't also compromise your security. I never denied root compromises security.

Sent from my C6603
[Xposed General] CHEF-KOCH:
Nobody is forcing you to install it, or it not comes pre-installed which means it not affective the security aspect.

Google never will be helping to make the devices secure, look what they done with adblock and other apps, because it also can be used to block there ad servers which are more a security problem. It's also an ethical aspect and of course money.

Selinux is not new, already done since 4.3 and via patch since 4.2 in the kernel but that also not means that this will help against data leakage, it's a beginning but not the end of the party. As master chainfire wrote it's only gonna more worst, it's now more locked for several reasons (some of them of course security) and they also don't want mods that (as said) 'crack' there own stuff. But they never will be win with that, but maybe only experts or developer are in the state to fully unlock all things, since the normal user can do it or want it (guarranty, security, to complicated or whatever reasons).
[Xposed General] pyler:
I am okey with permissive SELinux if it "enables" Xposed on Lollipop.
[Xposed General] kingvortex:
[MENTION=4415879]CHEF-KOCH[/MENTION]

I'm not sure if you're talking to me, but I already said I use Xposed and find it useful. The only reason I haven't flashed AOSP L yet is because of Xposed. I never implied anyone was forcing me to use it.

I'm simply carrying on the conversation about the idea of Google helping to get Xposed working on Lollipop and why they will never do so.

Xposed is a security risk, whether anyone wants to deny it or not and if you're going to use it, then you absolutely should understand that. Therefore Google will never help anyone make it or anything similar functional. Their priority is the security of every user, not whether some enthusiasts can get a modification running (conspiracy theories non withstanding of course :D ). That is and was my only point.

Sent from my C6603
[Xposed General] CHEF-KOCH:
I was general speaking, anyway thanks for the discussion.

I didn't want to call it security risk, I think people know about the pro and cons by reading the stuff before they download and installing it.

For me Google does not want secure anything much, the Selinux thing is kernel only stuff which is Linux and not Google. They are not even able to update important stuff for all, besides the gui gimmicks, dropped iptables, general no firewall or pre-installed but that's now another topic. And I don't think that it isn't crackable, in the past almost all was cracked for enough money or other motivation. I'm on root and Selinux disabled and I not feeling me insecure because of this.

We should stay on the line and waiting for news or states.
[Xposed General] kingvortex:
But allowing apps that have full access to anything onto your device is a large security risk. Im not sure what other definition can be used. It's a calculated risk, for sure, but that doesn't mean it isn't a risk. :)

Anyway, I made my point. Thanks to you also for the interesting discussion. :)

Sent from my C6603
[Xposed General] CHEF-KOCH:
No it's not, since we talking about mobile devices it's not more a security risk than lose your phone and attackers have physically access to it. For me it's more important to protect my private data instead of trying the impossible thing to secure the disk with things that never helps.

Sure, we both now made our points but back to topic.

Edit:

http://www.sowmyaguru.com/2014/09/difference-art-dalvik.html?m=1
[Xposed General] Dr Faustus:
On the matter of Security risks, once your device has obtained root it is considered by far a Security Risk, same if you also do not use a lockout code for your device either.

Anyone who has the brains to root their own device is already aware of the risks involved and the common sense to avoid anything suspicious. In the end it is the end user who is responsible for said actions and not the developer once you modify stock and root privileges. Xposed Framework is a small part of the larger whole which is Root Security Risk, again issues can be preventable with common sense.
[Xposed General] kingvortex:
Again, I'm not denying any of that. I have root and the Xposed framework installed and am well aware of the security implications.

Please read what started this conversation in the first place. It's in post #69 on the previous page of this thread. :)

I was talking about the suggestion that somehow Google would provide assistance to rovo in getting Xposed to work on Lollipop. They of course will never do this, as Xposed definitely compromises your device security, regardless of whether or not root is also an existing security hole.

Allowing apps access to modify other apps or access their data or do basically anything they please is 100% compromising security. Whether or not you guys find that acceptable or not or what other security measures you take or the risk of physical device theft is not relevant here. I'm talking about how Google almost certainly view these modifications and their responsibility for the security of all users, not just people like us here that like modifying our device software.

Am I somehow not explaining this correctly or something? :D

I will end my involvement in this here, as I don't wish it to escalate and it doesn't seem that people are even debating the same thing as the original discussion any more.

Cheers. :)

Sent from my C6603
[Xposed General] esgie:
Clicking "remember password" for PlayStore InApp purchases may be also called a security risk caused by the user himself.

The point is that AFAIR recently Google has been sentenced to pay a millions of compensation to those "irresponsible" users.

When combined with recent news about google's aim to widen its offer for the business market, it's getting quite clear that supporting stuff like xposed isn't very probable.
[Xposed General] KemikalElite:
From my experience with using Xposed I would consider it one of the greatest innovations in Android modding.

It has essentially made Android features modular. Since Xposed framework became what it is today many of us are able to apply advanced features across different phones/tablets and ROMs without it needing to be ported over.

Xposed has brought us to a point where we can take advantage of things that either widen the range of what we can change with our phones or just made life easier.

For example since updating to 5.0 I have to go through about 9 gestures to switch between 2G and LTE whereas the Intelli3G module did it automatically.

But this isn't about not having my modules anymore. This is more about having something that is extremely useful that works across almost everything phone with almost every ROM that we didn't have before.

Overall Xposed is a great project being the first of its kind. Whatever happens in the future I hope it is able to be continued through new Android versions, but if not I believe it is best to move on without it for now if needed.

Thank you and good luck.
[Xposed General] godutch:
I wonder if someone could port dalvik over to lollipop as a bridge for when xposed will work on lollipop
[Xposed General] stilkus:
Hey,

I've been using lollipop for 3 days already and many OEM's released it today.

Please bring Xposed back, I miss it and I am willing to donate as well.
[Xposed General] mlbenson:
It'll happen when it happens. rovo is - shocking news, I know - made of flesh and blood, and the port to ART is a gargantuan task. Begging him to do it is not only redundant because he's already working on it, it also puts pressure and stress on rovo. Would you send incessant letters to GRRM to make him finish the next ASOIAF book? No, and developers put in just as much work and deserve no less.
[Xposed General] tonyp:
No, you're explaining everything totally fine and all your points are completely true. No idea why some people can't see that :D

It is a huge security risk (at least technically) and Google will never officially help out on that front. Why would they?
[Xposed General] kingvortex:
Thanks. I thought I was making some fundamental mistake with what I was writing! :D

Off topic, but nice to see you're still around and still have the penguin avatar. You and pengus kept my P990 from being thrown out with the trash for many months until I got a new device. :)

Sent from my C6603
[Xposed General] paumlhp:
Google should just hire this guy. Haha
[Xposed General] labtv:
Hope you get it Done soon pal! :) finger crossed
[Xposed General] grobi1209:
I'm willing to support the developer of xPosed and i would pay a few Euro for the framework. ;)

Maybe if there are more people thinking like me, we could improve the financial situation of the developer so that he'll get the motivation to start programming xposed for ART?!

Is there any option to support the developer financially?
[Xposed General] CHEF-KOCH:
I guess it was now several time explained that it isn't about the money (take a look at GermainZ posts).

It's done if it's done. - Duke Nukem quote
[Xposed General] levi47:
Kickstarter\Dontations

Even if he is not doing it for financial reward something like a kickstarter with a goal a little more than his monthly salary(or however long he estimates it will take) might allow him to take unpaid leave from his current job and work on something he is passionate about full time. It also may ruin the joy he derives from working on it, who knows? If he has a donate page i would like to send him\the dev team some money for their already great work and would definitely put 20$ towards a kickstarter with the goal of xposed on lollipop/ART. I know i will not use android again without the protection and advantages xposed provides.
[Xposed General] kingvortex:
Wait, so now you think he will take time off from his job to work on Xposed?

rovo89 said himself he doesn't want and will not accept donations for working on Xposed ever, because he doesn't want to feel even more obligated to work on it. I hope people will just respect his wishes on that and stop trying to hurry him along with this. It's not fair to keep badgering the guy in this way.
[Xposed General] logonaniket:
I think rather on pressurizing [MENTION=4419114]rovo89[/MENTION] to work on it we should get some dev to fill the gap until the original dev gets time... may be franco or any other kernel/rom dev...
[Xposed General] kingvortex:
Or just wait patiently. This isn't life and death stuff we're talking about.

So far we have suggestions to pay rovo and now to get someone else to do the work like he isn't fast enough.

He already said it will be worked on when retail L released with the final version of ART. That has happened, so now we just wait and see what happens. :)
[Xposed General] TheDannemand:
You received an accidental thanks from me. No harm done ;)

But now that I am posting, let it be noted that I STILL think we should just close this thread. These continued, and poorly disguised, hints to rovo to please hurry up, can only negatively affects his motivation.
[Xposed General] GermainZ:
I'm closing this thread because the last few pages have just been the same comments, repeated again and again. More importantly, useful information is getting buried, and already answered questions are getting asked again because of that.

Hopefully, this post will direct people to what they're looking for. If you think the thread should stay open and have an interesting conversation to post about, please PM me and we'll discuss that.

rovo89 made two posts. The first can be found here, in which he explains some of the challenges of Xposed on Lollipop. Important paragraph for those of you looking for an ETA:

You can read his second post here. In it, he talks about his stance on donations, and some more about getting Xposed to run on Lollipop.

(If rovo89 has anything to say, he can post here even though the thread is locked. You can subscribe to this thread or this forum (Xposed General), and you'll likely hear actual news when they get posted.)

Thanks for understanding :)
[Samsung Galaxy Star] Hungryhacker:
here is the htc bootanimation by me..

flash through cwm...
[Galaxy Note 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] emfung:
Hi, I'm using a Malaysian version of note 4 SM-N910C.

It comes pre-installed with Whatsapp. I wish to remove it as I want to use whatsapp-plus instead. whatsapp-plus wouldn't installed when the original whatsapp still in the system. Is there anyway remove it without voiding the warranty?

Thank you..
[Galaxy Note 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] kin201303:
ROOT your SM-N910C

use Root Explorer to delete

Root Explorer/system/app/Whatsapp.apk,Whatsapp.odex
[Galaxy Note 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] emfung:
That's void the warranty right? Anyway to do it without tripping the knox warranty thingy?
[Galaxy Note 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] kkkok8051:
no change without root. or hide it but not uninstall.
[Galaxy Note 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] emfung:
How to hide? Do u mean 'disable' it? I've tried disable the app from application manager, but my whatsapp-plus still won't install as it detects whatsapp still in the system..

Tq..
[Galaxy Note 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] kkkok8051:
use this setting.
[Galaxy Note 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] emfung:
It only hide the app from the app-drawer. It doesnt remove the app from the system.

When i tried install whatsapp-plus, it is not possible as the original whatsapp is still in the ROM.

Is there anyway to remove it without rooting or rooting but keep warranty intact..

Thank you..
[Galaxy Note 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] kkkok8051:
once again if you want to uninstall any system apps you must root your device. after root knox will become 0x1 mean that warranty void.
[Galaxy Note 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] emfung:
Yeah i know abt voiding warranty after root vry well, that is why i have not proceed with rooting. The reason i start this thread is find out if there is anyway to uninstall system apps without rooting.

So now i know. Thanks..
[Galaxy Note 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] astalavista88:
Same bro....ialso want to remove whatsapp...so now thinking...want root or not....
[Galaxy Note 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] ilordvader:
Stock whatsapp comes with 1yr subscription or .... ?
[Galaxy Note 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] thehacker911:
If one would set Whatsapp Plus version number higher than the Whatsapp version number , you should still be able to install Whatsapp Plus version over the regular version as an update about it .

Gesendet von meinem One mit Tapatalk
[Galaxy Note 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] sorg:
Find the ROM from another region (which doesn't bundle whatsapp) for the same Note 4 model. It won't change neither KNOX nor custom status and doesn't require any custom recovery and even root.
[Galaxy Note 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Umair Ahmad:
hello

any recommended FIrmware??
[Galaxy Note 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] sorg:
I don't have Note 4. Thus, i have no idea...
[Galaxy Note 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] sanshil:
I have tried renaming Whatsapp.apk and Whatsapp.odex and moved the two files from the system folder into the external sd card and then tried installing whatsapp plus 6.26 but the app doesn't install.

need help
[Galaxy Note 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Untraceable:
Just root already .. you will root it at the end so why wait, I rooted my device at the first day I don't give a **** about KNOX warranty **** .. I don't know how you guys use the device with out root.
[Galaxy Note 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] hani1234:
root

This may be a dumb question. .but if u root a phone does that mean u wont be receiving firmware updates anymore ? And whats the story with root and Knox. . And if u decide to root how would u do that. .whats the benefit of root.. ?? And lastly can u undo the root if u decide to in the future ?

Sorry for all the dumb questions
[Galaxy Note 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] sorg:
I never used OTA updates and never had problem with it. You always can install update through Odin.

Android without root is not an android, imho.
[Galaxy Note 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] torickray:
U can still get firmware update. Not through OTA but through KIES. U will lose the root access after that but other contents still remained
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] QA Bot:
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[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Hayatzada:
screenshots please

i want to test this rom. but plz post some screenshots
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Jimlarck:
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[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Superst4r DJ:
Lollipop version would be awesome ... Keep up the good work.