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[Nexus 6  General] eksasol:
Okay, fair enough, but I don't get your issue with the N6. I think if you enjoy the quality from the M8 and Moto X, which cost more than a typical Nexus but with better build and design imo, then you shouldn't have issue with N6 for what it's offering, which I think is even better than what the M8 and Moto X has.
[Nexus 6  General] qwerty12601:
My issue with the n6? Size, lol.

Seriously though my issue is with google abandoning the practice of affordable, unlocked devices with great specs. My argument is not that on paper, it's not worth it. It is. However, the nexus 4 and 5 were both worth more than what they were sold for. Google was providing loyal developers/adopters of pure android with devices they could purchase off contract at a good price.

Now, they're pushing nexus fans to locking into 2 year contracts with providers just to be able to reasonably afford their device. Someone who uses a MVNO is **** out of luck unless they're willing to drop $700+ with taxes and shipping.

Google has every right to shift their goals on how to distribute their devices through carriers with subsidies.. However I have every right to not be happy about it.
[Nexus 6  General] Wbroshea:
This sums up my view except that I don't mind the size (I actually like it) and that the specs alone do not justify the cost when comparing to the Nexus 5. To justify the cost you have to include both the slightly higher specs and the change in business practice.

Interestingly enough I found the Note 4 teardown cost being $260. The Note 4 is pretty close to the Nexus 6 isn't it? I thought 260 sounded low. My guess is Nexus 5 in the $250-$300 range and the Nexus 6 in the $300 to $350 range with a cost gap less than $50 for a build cost.
[Nexus 6  General] jamesrick80:
I agree, and can't even do split screen, what's a shamu without split screen :laugh:
[Nexus 6  General] Bjray:
Xposed would like a word with you ;)
[Nexus 6  General] theoneofgod:
LG usually has a lower cost premium compared to Samsung and Motorola. I think the connection with premium price is because of Motorola. Nexus 4 and 5 were not "cheap" devices but were affordable. Very few people complained that they were too expensive. That's all I'm reading now apart from the screen size, is the price. Sure the Galaxy Nexus was expensive but it was also from Samsung. I'm no way saying the Nexus 6 is overpriced, but you're not getting a "good deal" like the last 2 Nexus phones.
[Nexus 6  General] AntonyStark:
So its not even a Nexus is affordable thing, its an LG make cheap phones thing!!!

You should all feel ashamed.
[Nexus 6  General] kingston73:
I for one am amazed at how many people have already placed a judgement on the n6 and it isn't even put yet. How can you possibly decide the note 4 is better in any way when they haven't been compared yet?

People how don't like the size, that I can understand.

People who don't like the price? Still don't get that but ok, it's still a fact.

People who are saying the note 4 has better battery and/or better screen? That's just plain stupid, those thongs won't be known until people can actually buy the n6 and use it side by side with the note 4.
[Nexus 6  General] neyenlives:
The thongs..... They are awesome.
[Nexus 6  General] majesticpark:
If you see more negatives than positives, why don't you vote with your wallet and skip buying this phone. We are more powerful than google because we are the customer.

Personally, a 6" screen does not work for me. I switched from a note 3 to a nexus 5 and will be using either the N5 or the Galaxy S5. But, that's just me. Google will no be getting my money. End of story.
[Nexus 6  General] chill145:
Xposed works with ART now??
[Nexus 6  General] joshm.1219:
Meh, it's not that hard to use cloud storage.

IR blaster was a cool gimmick, but I can just the Xfinity app to control my TV's with my phone if I really want.

Embedded battery is a downside but the only people who REALLY need removable are campers and the like. Even then there are alternatives.

The fingerprint sensors on Androids are jokes.

Any phone with a camera has a heart rate monitor as accurate as the ones in the S5 and Note 4.

Oh and last year's display? You're just a troll I guess?
[Nexus 6  General] Bjray:
Not yet. When Lollipop retail comes out next month the developer will start working on it.
[Nexus 6  General] joshm.1219:
The N4 was a fun phone, but the build quality and display sucked.

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Just note, these teardown costs only represent the material cost per device. In most businesses, material is about half of what the device actually costs to the business.
[Nexus 6  General] Fourty8:
Yep, I was going to say the same thing. Buy a Moto X pure, and boom, you've got a scaled down N6. I'm rocking the new Moto X currently, and its a really nice phone. I don't use the Moto Voice (prefer to just use "Ok Google" with google now launcher), but the Moto Display is pretty awesome when you just wave your hand over the phone and can see notifications. It even works in total darkness!
[Nexus 6  General] neyenlives:
They aren't even close to each other in any way..... Completely different. In every way. The N6 is a major upgrade in all aspects.
[Nexus 6  General] boodies:
lol are we seriously comparing the note to the nexus... nexus = just another big phone. and its pretty damn ugly.
[Nexus 6  General] tyvar1:
I am having such a hard time deciding to get the note 4 or nexus 6.

Also if I should get nexus 9 or nvidia shield tablet :(
[Nexus 6  General] Wbroshea:
Yes, but my posts are addressing those who claim the build quality vs the Nexus 5 justifies the price increase. What other factor than the cost of parts should go into just build quality? Not advertising, not r and d to make the thing work, anything else? While I certainly agree that there are other costs associated with a phone, none are relevant for my point.

The cost is justified if you add the slightly higher build cost plus the choice to make additional profit. Of course this is assuming that the other not mentioned costs stay the same, but I have no reason to believe they have increased as the N6 is just a larger version of similar phones moto has already made just like the other Nexus phones (lower R and D) and some have seen one commercial for the phone so limited advertising as all the other have had as well. Could argue the addition of being sold on contract on the carriers and in their store, but to me if that drove the cost up it would be even worse than a business plan change. Either way the build quality still isn't the price driver that everyone likes to tout as being the reason for the price change from the N5.
[Nexus 6  General] joshm.1219:
I didn't know people were touting the build quality as to why it's more expensive, that's obviously silly. The main cost is moving up to a 6" QHD AMOLED panel and the very latest Qualcomm chip with a seemingly custom modem setup. I was just making the point that when companies sell products for profit, they have to account for every expense as well as the material cost. You have to look at payroll, utilities, R&D, advertising, insurance, blah, blah, blah. Of course, all of that gets convoluted when you're talking about a massive, diverse company like Google working with massive, diverse companies like Motorola, HTC, LG, etc.

The price is competitive with other big manufacturers' flagship phones. So I don't get why it's considered expensive for what it is.
[Nexus 6  General] lkhafra:
Ive been waiting for a Motorola made high end no cutbacks Nexus device for around 4 years. Im getting exactly what ive been asking for and have no complaints. Ill get this on the T-Mobile plan and my Nexus 5 with extras already knocks more than half of the price off for me. People are complaining like they are being cheated and i still dont get why. Dont get me wrong everyone is entitled to say what they want but i think its a little wild how much complaning is going on. Imo if there was no Nexus phone out this year the Nexus 5 with Android L is good enough to go another year or 2. I guess im part of the minority that that does not think google should sell their hardware at a major loss. I dont see any phone coming close to offering the combo of hardware, software, build quality, and support that the Nexus 6 offers. For allot of so called tech nerds like myself we were willing to take compromises and still thought the Nexus 5 was better than the other high end phones so imagine what it will be like using a beast like the N6.
[Nexus 6  General] Wbroshea:
In my mind it isn't expensive compared to other phones of similar specs. But it is expensive when compared to the Nexus 4/5 and their specs at release time. A lot claimed the build quality and specs (including the stuff you mentioned: screen, processor, memory, etc) as making those aspects alone worth the price jump comparative to the Nexus 5. If we assume all of the other costs mentioned don't change significantly between the N5 and N6, and I see nothing to suggest they would, then the only cost I can figure associated with build quality and specs are the prices of the components. Thus a good comparison to determine if the build quality and specs alone justify the price increase would be the cost of the parts of the N5 at its release vs the N6 parts costs at release.

Obviously the N6 components do not cost $250 more than the N5 did at its release. Thus the cost difference can only be one thing if other costs aren't driven up, profit for Google/Motorola. I think that google has changed their philosophy from selling at or near cost to encourage buying phones off contract to selling phones for profit and on contract and that is really what has turned off at least some previous Nexus owners. I know at least one as I have owned and used a Nexus since the N1. Only missed the Nexus S as I kept the N1 for two years.

Sad really as the Nexus now just seems to be just another flagship phone with no other real purpose than to sell phones. It's ok though as I can get something else, but it needs to be mentioned as to what really appears to be going here, which is not the premium specs or build quality causing the majority of the price increase.
[Nexus 6  General] donnyp1:
I must be missing something. They are a corporation. What should the be releasing phones for exactly?
[Nexus 6  General] Wbroshea:
They can release a phone for what ever reason they want, there is no should about it. However, originally the nexus line was at first to provide a platform with unmodified android for developers. Then they sold them at low cost mostly without contract to attempt to buck the contract system of the US. Now the Nexus line is just any other flagship line phone that you can get on contract (and most will) and they sell GPE editions on some top tier models. So what is left for it to stand for? It is sad for me to see that, in my opinion, the Nexus really doesn't stand for anything anymore, that is all I meant. But again as I said, I can get a different phone and will, all of this has no bearing on the conversation regarding those touting the specs and build quality as the only or main cost driver, which in my opinion, couldn't be farther from the truth.
[Nexus 6  General] joshm.1219:
I see what you're saying now, that makes a lot of sense. I thought it was a good change in business model at first, more exposure in the American market selling it through carriers. It does unsettle those Nexus customers of the last two years who buy off contract as well as the rest of the world that buys off contract. They probably figure, and I agree, that there will be a high retention rate of Nexus users anyway just because it's a Nexus.
[Nexus 6  General] radicalisto:
Gotta move with the times, prices go up. Want the latest tech?, gotta pay more.

Don't like the device or the price. Don't buy it simple. Moaning about how overpriced it is won't do anything. Google and Motorola are businesses and they're in this game to make money and an absolute bucket load of it. That's the way of the world. Money makes the world go round.

There's plenty of other devices out there for people who don't want the Nexus 6.

Even at the price it's at, it's still cheaper than Samsung and you can unlock the bootloader with ease,Oh.... and we don't have to deal with the KNOX crap either...
[Nexus 6  General] Richie5767:
The difference is that is called the Nexus 5. Google is still selling it. People have their panties in a bunch because of price but there is always a choice. If people don't want to spend $650 on a Nexus 6, they should just shell out for an Oneplus One or a Nexus 5. However, I believe that the nexus 6 is still a bang for a the buck, because it is a $650 unlocked phone that is a note 4 competitor at $100-200 cheaper (depending if you get carrier or unlocked). Hopefully the review comes soon so we can actually see if the Nexus 6 is as speculated.
[Nexus 6  General] hutzdani:
I spotted a good reason to be disgusted with the price.

Premium price and still a really poor quality camera ! did they learn anything from the last 3 devices ????
[Nexus 6  General] Wbroshea:
I agree it is a good change in business model, if you really want to make money on hardware sales. I doubt google want to do that, seems difficult. Only ones really making a lot of money is apple and samsung and both of their profits have shrunk or become relatively stagnate (I believe that's true of course someone who has the time or cares enough to look it up, feel free to correct me). From my perspective, if they don't want to or don't need to push the other goals of Nexus being the developer platform or buck the contract system, it would have been a better business move to end the line and use the resources elsewhere. You can't tell me that Google couldn't use the Nexus resources to make more money somewhere else if there goal is really just to make money on hardware. Also I'm still not sure why now all of a sudden they do want to make money on hardware, since it seems pretty clear they haven't in the past.

I think they will be surprised at the Nexus retention rate. Question is, is there enough new purchasers to offset those that don't stick. And the even bigger question is, to really be a player in the market you have to advertise. Samsung, Apple, LG even some Motorola all advertise significantly. I personally have never seen a nexus phone commercial live (seen a Nexus 7 commercial). I know they exist, I just haven't seen them on live tv. I just don't know what has changed. I am open to suggestions as what has changed or what the new purpose may be. If the N6 serves some purpose or has some sort of goal that I like, I might get one, but if it is just to make money, there are too many other options.
[Nexus 6  General] Fourty8:
I agree with you that the N6 is an upgrade over the new Moto X. However i would not classify them as major. 805 vs 801 snapdragon is not huge, N6 has larger screen, qHD resolution, 1 gb more ram, and a minimum of 32 gb of storage, but with that said, it IS the same shape and also from the same manufacturer, so I stand by my opinion of the Moto X being a scaled down version of the N6, specs included.
[Nexus 6  General] theoneofgod:
Cloud, yes, the safest place.
[Nexus 6  General] _MetalHead_:
I agree that the GNex was great, but how can you say the N5 is horrendous? I'm about as difficult to please as it gets when it comes to smartphones, and I absolutely hate LG, yet I think the N5 is not only the best Nexus ever made (not counting the N6), but one of the best smartphones period. So I'm just curious what it is you don't like about it?
[Nexus 6  General] hello00:
it is based on moto x so it is using the old amoled screen..might wanna do some more research before u call anyone a troll
[Nexus 6  General] joshm.1219:
do your own research, the moto x got old Samsung 5.2" panels, these are a different size Samsung has never made and Nexus lines are sourced by Google even though Motorola manufactures the phone
[Nexus 6  General] jball:
Just get an HTC ONE M8
[Nexus 6  General] neyenlives:
Are we seriously still perpetuating this failed logic that a 5.2" 1080 screen from the MotoX is being used in the N6, a phone which hasn't even been released.... That has a 5.97" 2k amoled resolution screen?

Do everyone a favor and stop. It's not only wrong, it's not even possible.

Find another device with a 5.97" 2k resolution amoled screen, and THEN you can SPECULATE that the same screen used in that unicorn device might be used in the N6, but even then it's all speculation......

By all accounts I have seen, this is the first 5.97" amoled 2k screen used in a device, which means it has to be a newly manufactured screen, for this unique device.
[Nexus 6  General] ggreenwood334:
Unless Samsung skipped this screen last year and if using something better. Lol. Don't see how this could be old tech. This is a 2k screen.
[Nexus 6  General] hello00:
what the hell are u on about? im talking about the moto x 2014 using the old gen amoled from samsung
[Nexus 6  General] neyenlives:
Someone else on here has been trying to say the N6 is using old leftover MotoX screens..... That's what I thought you were saying... my bad
[Nexus 6  General] SenK9:
I think that there's been some confusion, we know already that the Moto X is most likely using a very similar panel to the S4, it's nearly identical in brightness (to within 1 nit) and was released 12 months later.

But nobody is assuming that same panel is being used in the N6, it's next to impossible. If anything, one could speculate that the Nexus 6 would be (if it did source Samsung panels) be using similar to the Note 3 panel, which was also released 12 months ago. BUT it's a different resolution, and until we see actual teardowns, it's all just speculation. They might not even be using Samsung panels.
[Nexus 6  General] neyenlives:
Different resolution and size.... It can't be the same panel.

That being said I have zero complaints with the Note 3 screen.... other than it could be a little bigger. So even if it was a bigger double resolution version of the Note 3 screen, I'm more than okay with that.
[Nexus 6  General] SenK9:
Not the same, but 'similar', as in that generation of technology. We already know it can't be exactly the same panel, that's obvious.

For example, the Moto X and S4 are different screen sizes, but if the AMOLED circuitry/lighting/technology behind it is similar, that would explain why they yield nearly identical results.

We won't know until there's teardowns, the N6 might not even use Samsung panel.
[Nexus 6  General] neyenlives:
Wouldn't the resolution alone dictate it's not even the same technology?
[Nexus 6  General] SenK9:
You can port a generation of technology between any number of sizes. Samsung might even have had that density in use last year in other products which we don't know about. To draw an analogy, Samsung make each yearly series of LCD TVs in a variety of sizes and resolutions, but share the same characteristics, until next generation. Intel makes each generation of CPU in various speeds and flavours, but they share the same characteristics, until next generation.

Found this on AMOLED manufacturing:

This video, although ridiculous, shows AMOLED panels that are cut to size like CPU wafers, depending on requirements (2:00 on):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a-ojIZnn1ps

Of course, we'll know more when there's actual reviews on the N6 out.
[Nexus 6  General] gabrielgon:
I can't even understand how people were expecting to see a low price. If new Moto X is priced at 500, how would they release a bigger and much better phone costing the same or less?? It was just impossible. The 650~700 is the correct price. I personally would exchange another 100 dollars for microSD support, removable battery and thinner device.
[Nexus 6  General] neyenlives:
Because the name Nexus has in the past been associated with devices that are lower priced. But they always compromised somewhere..... which is why I was never interested in them. I don't want a device that great in most areas but costs 200 bucks less. I want top of the line. Forget the cost.

Many Nexus owners like to save some money as long as the device is "good enough".
[Nexus 6  General] biggiestuff:
Optimus g had a few features over the n4.

13mp vs 8

32gb vs 16

FM radio vs none

LTE antenna to go with that LTE radio.

While not overwhelmingly better specs, it did have better specs. Definitely not 300 dollars better but that's to be determined by each individual.
[Nexus 6  General] gabrielgon:
Sure, but that's the point. Nexus devices were always a bit inferior in some specs, but google devices are becoming more and more premium and this time the nexus 6 is top notch. If it was snapdragon 801, 5.5 full HD screen, 2500 mah battery, 8MP camera and so on, I could see a lower price, maybe 500 dollars or even less, but not with the specs it has this time. The nexus 6 is STILL budget friendly for what you get, that's unquestionable. Not unbelievably cheap as before, but still friendly.
[Nexus 6  General] dr.m0x:
Part of it could be a desire to really go on the attack against Apple. No iPhone user is going to be swayed to Android for something half the price with a crappy screen and build quality. The Nexus is quite sexy though

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[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario General] gasolina05161991:
Is it possible to tether the T-Mobile MDA to a PowerMacG4 via usb?

If so, how?

Thanks in advance
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario General] Gwartan:
I could use some help with this as well. I was able to get mine to tether by Bluetooth with a decent speed, but know a true USB connection would be faster.
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario General] wizpig:
What du you mean with "Tether"? (Im not English...)

If you mean "sync" then try to get MissingSync, its the only usefull program for macosx to sync wizards.
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario General] PaulMdx:
I am English and I don't know what 'tether' means either.
[Moto 360] marcochapita:
We all have great taste, that's why we bought the Moto360 of course :p and not all but some love chronograph watches , i love the tag heuer carrera watches,but there's something about the red bull models that make me :silly::fingers-crossed::eek: they are beautiful , i cant believe no body shares my taste for them.

So my request is simple,can someone make this ones? or other ones because i do like most of them haha.
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