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[Nexus 9 General] smb209:
The thing about all of the reviews that were released just after launch (The Verge, Android Central, Anandtech, Ars, etc...) Is they all found problems, but with one or two exceptions their complaints seem to be different. Who knows maybe that indicates inconsistent build quality or something. The only thing that really concerned me was that the back squished when pressed.

Despite that I ended up ordering it from Google play and it really is a fantastic device. Its not 100% without issue, there is a place on the back that isn't as solid as it could be and it gets slightly warm streaming from my TV tuner or playing games. Maybe I haven't used enough *perfect* tablets that are a match in both price and quality but this one gets pretty damn close. As far as the Android tablet options that aren't ruined by the manufacturers attempt to brand it I think this is the one to beat.

Also, I thought we all knew by now that benchmarks don't necessarily reflect real use?
[Nexus 9 General] di11igaf:
The 64 bit Denver smokes the quad core k1, with 2 less cores. Its not just a 64 bit a15 core, its a totally different architecture. Same GPU, but saying the dual 64 bit is not 'on par' with 4 a15 cores is completely wrong. The Denver cores are 75-80% faster than their a15 counterparts, not 20. With 2 less cores, geekbench multicore is around 3500, single core around 1950.

Geekbench 64 bit Denver(dual)-

Single core=1950

Multicore=3400

Geekbench k1 quad(a15)

Single core=1100

Multicore=3450

Vellamo 64 bit Denver(dual)

Browser(chrome)=6000

Multicore=2630

Vellamo k1 quad(a15)

Browser(chrome)=4876

Multicore=2504
[Nexus 9 General] ReiverBlade:
(just in case my ST Vellamo score chrome is 5387 and the multicore is 2460 wait what ... oh well bench run variance ... my ST is 511pts above a normal ST (and she is stock just rooted) and only 613pts under in Browser )

you didn't read both of my post right?

1. Denver is a custom A57 design not a 64bit A15 (i never said that ... re read ;) )

2. nope the K1 64 doesn't smoke the K1 32... if it falls behind in games and 3D apps and is above in multimedia and web browsing : on par

3. i was theorizing on the 20% benefits of a A57 over a A15 and i said "supposedly. oh woops i said supposedly on another thread ... bah whatever read the 2 self quote after you will understand

75-80% uh? so its still 360% at max versus 400%, and again ONLY if the app is optimized for 64bit (thanks for confirming it in Geekbench SC/MC result 1950/3400 versus 1100/3450 oh and the only one who is close to 3500 is the K1 32 not the 64 as you write ;) ) woops my ST get 1118/3479 in GB3) ok i give you that a single Denver versus a single Logan/A15 : the Denver smoke it... but 2 vs 4 nope ... still not but 3400 vs 3450/3479 is quite good ... which mean a dual core is 50/79pts under of a quadcore and that's quite good.

conclusion, nope the Logan/Denver doesn't smoke at all the Logan/A15 and this is due to the multicore configuration of each... ok maybe in single core but in reality : on par (i tested and used both tab and i kept the ST not the N9 ... because the ST had more advantage than the N9 .... and they where obvious)
[Nexus 9 General] lpasq:
Do you think US $300 (auction) for a 32GB, WiFi, Black is too much? http://www.ebay.com/itm/161477546028?ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1555.l2649
[Nexus 9 General] mk92595:
eBay and Paypal are going to f-uck you so badly with fees
[Nexus 9 General] lpasq:
i look at as some fortunate user will get a great deal... passing in on brother.......
[Nexus 9 General] di11igaf:
Stock geekbench.

I should have wrote 3500 both times, not 3500\3400, cause 3500 is correct.

I'm not big on benchmarks, but saying this Denver CPU isn't on par with a quad a15 is wrong IMO. Its a beast
[Nexus 9 General] ReiverBlade:
ok so both do 3500 on multicore? (well i mean your/that N9 is only 99pts above my ST in MC, big deal eh? )

sooo you confirm again what i say : single versus single = beast (quite the double indeed) but dual versus quad = totally equall (ok ok +/-100pts ... )

and the ST is on par with the N9 (except for the screen size and form factor) but the N9 is more expensive (well unless like me you take one of the advantage of the ST who isn't bundled with and add 59$ to the initial price ... well still ST+Controller maybe more expensive than a N9 but it still has a µSD slot... )

imho the K1 64bit is not revolutionary at all or a beast ... as long as you talk dual versus quad... Erista will be (Revolutionary or a beast, who knows?).

on the other hand K1 32/64bit are beast when you compare them to any other SOC

end of discussion for me i don't want to bother you more than that (if i do ofc) ;)
[Nexus 9 General] johnkingx:
i feel the specs are really good so the price in comparison to the iphone is good
[Nexus 9 General] johnpmurphy13:
Where did you see this price drop? I was on amazon and did not see any changes in their pricing.
[Nexus 9 General] roninmedia:
I really want a large tablet this holiday season and I'm at a point where I'm actually considering an Apple product or living with TouchWiz. :eek:

Otherwise, I can play roulette with the Nexus 9 to get a product with no manufacturing defects. :fingers-crossed:
[Nexus 9 General] BennyJr:
Lol this was me, and I for sure was not going to buy a crapple. I may still get a note 10.1 just for easier note taking.
[Nexus 9 General] roninmedia:
Nothing for the N9 on Black Friday, but some for the competitors. Let's examine Best Buy since they seem to be the only brick-and-mortar retailer with the N9 in stock and what they have for the competitors

16 GB iPad Air 2 - $399 http://bfads.net/Black-Friday/Best-Buy/Ad#

64 GB iPad Air 2 - $499 http://bfads.net/Black-Friday/Best-Buy/Ad#

16 GB Samsung Tab S 10.5 (Titanium Bronze) - $399 http://bfads.net/Black-Friday/Best-Buy/Ad?page=21#viewer

16 GB Nexus 9 - $399

32 GB Nexus 9 - $479

That places all 16GB models from their two big rivals at the same price which means most consumers will choose them, in my opinion.
[Nexus 9 General] Stresa:
Those prices are part of what convinced me to go with the Shield.

32G/LTE Shield w/SD slot $399 ?
[Nexus 9 General] di11igaf:
16gb iPad air 2 starts at 499

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/apple-i...2&pid=1219084308979&pcatId=pcmcat209000050007
[Nexus 9 General] dcaplinger76:
The Tab S 10.5 is actually 499.... the 399 is for the 8.4
[Nexus 9 General] roninmedia:
Those are Black Friday prices at Best Buy. The ads are out.
[Nexus 9 General] dcaplinger76:
Now I know what "BF" meant, my bad... guess we will see if the N9 gets discounted anywhere.
[Nexus 9 General] mtva24:
All of those prices are wrong lol
[Nexus 9 General] xinchi:
The price for Nexus 9 is fine, as it is same as the previous Nexus 10. The real expensive Nexus device for this year is Nexus 6.
[Nexus 9 General] Azurael:
I wouldn't say is too expensive - but IMHO it's not nearly as impactful as the Nexus 10 was when it was released and I have been put off - as a value proposition to somebody who just wants a bigger tablet than a Nexus 7, it ain't so hot... The Nexus 10 blew everybody away as the first big, ~300dpi Android tablet with a speedy A15 CPU. The first warning shot to the iPad, you might say. The Nexus 9 enters a market full of fantastic, similar devices with about the only innovations being a nice chassis, a 4:3 (which is good) LCD which is unfortunately low-DPI and suffers from light leaks, a heck of a lot of initial-release software bugs and a SoC with a great GPU but CPU performance that's frankly an unknown quantity, being completely unrelated to any existing ARM core. From the benchmarks I've seen thus far, it doesn't yet appear to be consistently living up to its promise of being a step ahead of previous SoCs. And there are situations (context switching and FP, mainly) where its performance is pretty poor right now. Apparently updates will fix that. But I'm not a massive fan of a complicated non-ARM VLIW CPU architecture designed by Nvidia which relies on software translation. Nvidia are not exactly known for their quality software.

I haven't played with a Nexus 9 yet, I was quite dead set on the idea until I started reading reviews. Now I think I'll either prevail with my N7 for a while or just get the Tab Pro 8.4 for not much over half the price of an N9 - I suspect it's a lot more than half the tablet having used my dad's - it's got a great (better?) LCD, performance that's a known quantity and so long as nobody makes me run a stock ROM on it, it'll be grand (I hate Touchwiz, CM11 got rid of the lag :P) I'd get the Shield tab for many of the same reasons but like the Tegra Note 7, it's great value hardware let down by not really having a development community. The superfluity of great >7" tablets for around £200 is the only reason I'd say the Nexus 9 might have been a bit more successful if it were cheaper (plus I'd actually quite like one, but I'm not willing to spend that much with so many unanswered questions). Of course, seen in the context of the iPad, it IS really cheap...
[Nexus 9 General] ejkeebler:
I just don't understand the 16/32 GB options. ...my phone which i can ALWAYS access the internet gets 32/64 and my tablet which may not be able to get internet comes in at 16/32. I mean a big feature of the N9 for me is the improved user switching, so my son can setup all his games, etc, my wife gets her books, etc, and I put what I want, but that's going to take up a lot of space. really wish it was at least 32/64 for that price....just very weird to me, still plan on getting one if the 32 sand wifi ever comes available....
[Nexus 9 General] bipoler:
If we stop supporting devices that don't have micro SD slot then we do that
[Nexus 9 General] ReiverBlade:
just a small addition and i am away from this thread ;)

okay now with the 5.0 update the Shield is even more close to the N9 in Geekbench multi (Antutu it fall a little short after) ... i fail more and more to see what premium make the N9 worth over it ... (for the 16gb version ofc)

conclusion : yep the N9 is too expensive ;)
[Nexus 9 General] ongoing:
As I much I was looking forward to an Android tablet with a 4:3 screen, the severe quality control issues, hot running processor, and limited storage space make this a no go unless they started marking this down so the 32GB model is $299.
[Nexus 9 General] gun26:
I'm having trouble following some of your reasoning. You call the Nexus 9 "low-DPI". The iPad Air 2 is at 2048 x 1536 resolution on a 9.7 inch screen, and is at 264 pixels per inch. The Nexus 9 is at the same 2048 x 1536 resolution on a smaller 8.9 inch screen, at 281 pixels per inch. In almost everyone's opinion, though, the iPad display is visibly better despite having lower DPI. If you think these tablets are "low-DPI", how much more resolution would you want, and would the commensurate loss of performance/battery life be worth it?

The light leakage at the top of the screen is definitely visible on my own Nexus 9, but otherwise the display is pretty good, at least in my opinion. I'm in Canada - Apple Canada wants $549 (all prices here in Cdn $) for a 16 GB iPad Air 2, and Google wants $429 for a 16 GB Nexus 9. The $120 difference in price feels about right to me, considering the iPad's advantages in display, overall quality, battery life and tablet app ecosystem.

As a committed Android tinkerer, I'm happy with my Nexus 9 but for most people the iPad is still a safer choice - but at the $120 difference in price, the decision is close.
[Nexus 9 General] tabuser:
Nokia just announced the N1 tablet, If the specs are to be believed then the Nexus 9 will soon become an expensive piece of toast.

http://n1.nokia.com/

Nokia's N1 is a $250 Android tablet measuring 6.9 millimeters thick and weighing only 318 grams, with a 8-megapixel rear and 5-megapixel front cameras, a twin set of speakers, and a reversible USB Type C port, a .64-bit 2.4GHz quad-core Intel Atom Z3580 paired with 2GB of RAM and 32GB of storage, and a 7.9 inch screen with a resolution of 2048 x 1536 pixels at 324 ppi. It will run Android 5.0
[Nexus 9 General] Chyeo1979:
For people who can accept iOS, there's no need to consider other tablet at all since you can't go wrong with iPad.

I believe those who are considering Nexus 9 here really want a Nexus tablet, not because it's a bit cheaper than iPad in price.
[Nexus 9 General] Azurael:
Where did I say I was interested in an iPad as an alternative?

Nexus 7 (2013): 323 dpi

Nexus 10: 299 dpi

Tab Pro 8.4: 359 dpi

Nexus 9: 281 ppi

I'm sure it's 'good enough' for most but shouldn't we be moving forward? Isn't the Nexus 9 meant to be a 'killer' tablet? Okay, the 534 dpi of the G3 is a massive waste of computational power, but I think the optimum is probably closer to 400 than 300 for my eyes.
[Nexus 9 General] richii0207:
Nobody complained when the N10 was $400.
[Nexus 9 General] aindow:
This. Although I think that could be due to the fact a cheaper Nexus 7 was around at the time. Now there's no alternative Nexus tablet.
[Nexus 9 General] ReiverBlade:
Timelapse
[Nexus 9 General] MckenzieCiccone:
This is the most powerful tablet on the market.
[Nexus 9 General] Techdread:
Don't be silly.

The Nexus 9 screen is better than the Nexus 7 2013 got both at home.

The tablet no doubt has quality issues we have two in our house and one has slight light bleed which is only noticeable when the screen is black, otherwise its a solid tablet.

it would have been a poor engineering choice to increase the resolution.

The GPU is already more taxed then in the Shield, so we have slower framerates and more battery burn and it would be more expensive to produce the panel for a marginal increase in PPI. Also with tablets this sizeyou don't hold it as close as a phone so you can't compare it to that.
[Nexus 9 General] aludus:
still trying to decide between the nexus 9 and the nexus 7, both have really nice screens. The price of the nexus 7 is really good now that the 9 is out though, maybe there'll be a good sale on black friday :fingers-crossed:

I found a review comparing both tablets...

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[Nexus 9 General] Jhall8:
I love my Nexus 7 (2013), but I would choose the Nexus 9 if I were buying today. I checked out the Nexus 9 at Best Buy. I was very impressed.
[Nexus 9 General] mva5580:
I won't commit to saying it's overpriced but what I will say is that it is unbelievable to me that the biggest storage size that can be bought is 32gb. That is a total joke and if that's what their strategy was going to be, then they might as well have not released it.

If there was a 64gb model of this I probably would have already sold my iPad and picked one up. 32gb in a tablet right now is just not enough for a lot of users. Hence part of the reason Apple cut it out and went 16/64/128.

I can buy a 64gb Nexus 6 phone, but I can't buy a 64gb Nexus 9 tablet. Why.
[Nexus 9 General] jji7skyline:
I bought the 32GB. It's in the post so I can't tell you exactly, but I think 32GB will be enough for my needs. Assuming that 2GB is used for the OS I get:

5GB for my music library in MP3 (my whole library is 22GB in a mixture of lossless and mp3)

10GB for movies, that's around 10 movies in HD

10GB for games and apps, that's around 4 large games (Real Racing, Fifa, etc)

5GB left for everything else.

Note that I have a terrible internet connection, especially when uploading, so I'll be keeping most of my files offline.
[Nexus 9 General] bipoler:
You will only have about 26 user storage . Even if they made out 64 128, , cool but even my 1TB laptop has the capacity to use external storage. They need to get with the program
[Nexus 9 General] jji7skyline:
You can use an OTG cable to connect external drives.
[Nexus 9 General] wifesabitch:
16GB/32GB is a laughable. Thought a few years ago when would be at 64GB/128GB by now.

Seems like every manufacturer is set on having a base model with 16GB and gouging the consumer for more storage.

Thankful I can deal with 16GB as this tablet is online 99% of the time and I have plenty of cloud storage. I was not about to shell out $100 for a measly 16GB extra. What a joke.
[Nexus 9 General] albsat:
Honest question. Which other android tablet is to be considered instead of nexus 9?i really need a tablet that has software support, like the nexus line. Any idea?
[Nexus 9 General] mva5580:
Android tablets overall are just lacking one way or another, and it's unfortunate. The Nexus line doesn't offer enough storage and other models have crap skins/bloatware. It's sad that probably the best Android tablet is the nvidia shield, as it's pretty much stock android and it has a microsd slot. But I personally don't like the screen size/aspect ratio, plus it's battery life isn't great. I've tried just about every android tablet there is and I just can't fine one that is worth replacing my iPad with.
[Nexus 9 General] samwheat:
Galaxy Tab S 10.5 ?
[Nexus 9 General] jpitt916:
Rooted custom ROM Tab S 10.5. The Tab S is a beast with the Samsung bloat removed.
[Nexus 9 General] mva5580:
Galaxy Tab S is Samsung, so that would fall under the "crap skin/bloatware" category.

While I am fully capable of rooting/installing custom ROM's on Android devices (I've done it plenty,) I'm frankly getting a little sick of feeling like I'm obligated to do that to get a good experience.

I want a 64gb+/9"+/Nexus tablet. Is that seriously too much to ask in 2014? The fact that there is a 64gb Nexus phone but not a 64gb Nexus tablet makes absolutely zero sense. They made 16/32gb tablets and 32/64gb phones. It should have been the other way around.
[Nexus 9 General] Verttex:
Just bought the 32gb one for $379.99 off amazon. That discount is $50 base price plus a $50 google play gift card. I think that's a more reasonable price for the tablet.
[Nexus 9 General] ReiverBlade:
Still not enough, for that price i got my Shield Tablet 16gb (whaaat only 16gb??? Read further ;) ) the controller and a 128gb uSD card Class10 UHS-I (bundle), but you are right 380$ is a bit more reasonable price for the 32gb N9.

Well the Shield Tablet ( if you handle a 1920x1200 8" 16/9 screen... For me it feels more natural than a 4/3 no matter of the size ) already had the 5.0 update: smooth stable no wifi issues grid no sweat (even with 10ms more than recommended ping and a 2.4 router ) + micro SD slot up to 128gb and throttle less than a MiPad or a N9 (live tested) but: don't trust me ;) it seems that i got a factory defect free sample without cracking edge, wifi issues (or maybe i take care of it a bit better? Nah not possible, and i carry an use my ST nearly 18h\24)
[Nexus 9 General] rainboweducorp:
the gamvmys

add to wish list
[Nexus 9 General] wifesabitch:
Just because The Shield is a great price doesn't mean the N9 is an unreasonable price.

You could say every flagship phone is massively overpriced because the N5 is $350.

I loved my Shield tablet, used that stylus all the time, great at cutting out the finger prints and always have love for a microSD slot. But personally I'll take a 4:3 screen over 16:10 as I read 95% of the time on a tablet.
[Nexus 9 General] sale 83:
And you wouldn't be wrong.
[Nexus 9 General] ReiverBlade:
And he's wrong: the Shield Tablet has never been overpriced to start with. (While every other high end tab of the moment where around 400+ chf the ST was 349.90 from start and hardware/software wise, way above them) well i can't say he's completly wrong.

I noticed the N9 had a patch already to solve quite a bunch of "hiccups", while the ST does perfectly fine under 5.0 (for the moment?)
[Nexus 9 General] Asaggynoodle:
You're joking right?

The Nexus models have google's unrelenting support for a very long time. I mean as the OP said, his 2012 Nexus 7 is going strong.

Most Android devices lose support after release if not might get one major update in their life cycle.

Pair that feature with the currently fastest SOC currently available in the Mobile Market and you have something beautiful.

Honestly, If the Nexus 9 had cost 600$ I still would have bought it; maybe that is just me though.

The nice thing about the Nexus 9 is that it will be the tablet standard probably for the next 2-3 years. I mean it's only been out officially for about a month.
[Nexus 9 General] Diesel779:
I thought Nexus devices only got official support for 2 years?
[Nexus 9 General] mssam:
Actually, I think it's 18 months...

"Nexus devices may not receive the latest version of Android if they fall outside of the update window, which is usually around 18 months after a device has been released."

https://support.google.com/nexus/answer/4457705?rd=1

...but that's officially. Some Devs still support the "older" nexus devices. Anyways, I just downloaded the factory image and flashed it (didnt feel like waiting for the ota lol) and it seems to be working great. Very snappy...

Sent from my Nexus 7
[Nexus 9 General] USBhost:
Nexus 7 2012 it got an update after 2 years
[Nexus 9 General] Diesel779:
Yeah, but I was talking about official support in response to the previous poster. I know Nexus devices, as well many other devices receive unofficial support for a long...time. A perk of having an Android phone :) Thank for clearing up the official support period though. I thought it was 2 years but it is indeed 18 months.
[Nexus 9 General] mssam:
Yeah... after using the nexus 9 and the nexus 7 2013, I must say if I had to do it all over again i would definitely purchase the nexus 9. No question about it. I do agree that the price seems a little high, and I too wish at least a 64g was offered, but it's a really nice tablet. If I had to wait until my money is right before I could get it, then that's what I would do. I'll use otg for more storage if needed. Not too big of an inconvenience. Been doing that with the n7 anyways sooooo...

The screen is really nice to look at. Very crisp. Had some concerns about three 4:3 ratio, but that doesn't seem to be an issue so far. The n7 has the better aspect spec, but it's a smaller screen, so I'm still on the fence about which one is better for watching videos.

The only thing that is a problem for me is the portability. Kind of a double edge sword that I did think about before purchasing it. IMO it's not as travel friendly as i was hoping. The n7 wins hands down in that respect. I can put the n7 in my back pocket and walk around with it there while listening to music lol. The n9... not so. I'm still using it at home for now until I receive a sIim case that I ordered. It still baffles me that the magnetic cover wasn't (still isn't) available for purchase when the tablet was released...

I originally planned to sell the n7 when I ordered the n9, but I think I'm going to hold on to it for a while longer. The one thing that really made me want to get the n9 is the ac WiFi spec. It's really fast with an ac router. Over all, I'm happy with the purchase. ?

Sent from my Nexus 7
[Nexus 9 General] Jake_dils:
I think it's a fair price but not a brilliant tablet. one thing I noticed when I had a play around with it I noticed there was a small gap around the rim of the tablet which cause the display to create a small highlight. Not sure if I've explained it too well but it didn't look great when looked at from a slight angle. Although expensive, iPads will always have the upper hand, just not on price!
[Moto G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] ch.Niladri:
Today I purchased my Moto G 2nd Gen. I did not get time to explore it & charge it properly. Suddenly I saw black screen with the following messages

AP Fastboot Flash Mode (S)

..

..

Battery OK

Device is LOCKED. Status Code:0

Connect USB Data Cable

Boot Mode Selection Menu

Vol Up Selects, Vol Down Scrolls

Normal Powerup

Recovery

Factory

Barcode

BP Tools

hab check failed for systems

failed to validate system image

Fastboot Reason:Fall through from normal boot mode

I tried pressing the vol Up for several time but my phone is not booting

Can you experts please help me to boot my Moot G?

Thanks in advance

Niladri
[Moto G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] martinusbe:
Select factory reset with vol~down. And press vol~ up
[Moto G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] ch.Niladri:
vol-down & vol-up were not working. Now it is totally shut down.I'm not able to restart also