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[Fire TV General] Spykez0129:
I don't think you guys are remembering exactly what "Nexus" means. It means do whatever you want to the device.

Yes the Nexus 7 was locked but they made it easy to unlock for us to mod. The whole nexus line is the play ground line if you want to mod and have fun with your device.

I for one am going to be jumping ship because quite frankly, Amazon has, and always will be, absolutely garbage when it comes to making anything interface related. Their app sucks, their web interface sucks, their amazon fire TV interface sucks, everything they design is garbage when it comes to UI.

I've had a blast with this device but with them locking it down...no bueno.

As per the wireless worry, it's 5GHz AC. If you're doing anything that's going to be able to tax THAT, having an ethernet cable isn't going to save you.
[Fire TV General] mroneeyedboh:
Ehh if its update blocked and rooted... Then its not locked down,right
[Fire TV General] mejdam:
Not exactly. Bootloader is still locked.
[Fire TV General] retroben:
Despite my hatred of the small RAM size...

Since Nexus Player is x86 and it has an Intel Atom chipset,does that mean it utilizes the Houdini processing for running arm apps in the x86 architecture?

Still sucks because of crappy limit of RAM.

I saw that the price is going to be $99 like the Fire TV's original price.

Make a 2GB RAM version of Nexus Player for an extra $20.00 to make it more appealing.

Heck,replace them all with 2GB RAM for only $10.00 more cost.
[Fire TV General] mejdam:
1 GB is fine. Unlike phones we wont be multi-tasking as much. The Nexus Player will mostly only worry about the active application which is why 1 GB will be fine. As for the CPU its an Inel Atom which has been shown to run as fast as a Snapdragon 801, for comparison sakes the FireTV uses a Snapdragon 600.
[Fire TV General] MadFlava:
Its not exciting enough for me to jump over to it. My AFTV is doing everything i need right now, not to mention the lack of ethernet is a deal breaker. Unless wireless AC has come down quite a bit in the last few months, Im not ready to make that move.
[Fire TV General] Y314K:
Will have to wait and see how the Nexus Player performs. But one major drawback I see already is the limited storage just like FireTV but no true USB socket. Why would i want to mess with a OTG cable even before having to deal with a USB Hub or just a USB device. MicroUSB on a phone is fine. But on one of of this devices is stingy. The Nexus Player is going to have to really WOW me to get me over the lack of a regular USB socket.
[Fire TV General] nhumber:
the specs are really irrelevant, this is the first entry into the android TV market (besides the ADT-1) sure, this box is specd a tad low and surely isnt going to be an enthusiasts dream machine, but im sure we arent going to see google release anything else anyways, what i do think well see is all the manufacturers incorporating android TV into their own players in the very near future (think a high specs "Samsung Galaxy Player" or something like "Sony Xperia Player") and if google is successful with their play services like music and video on demand like im sure they will be i think within the next year or so many TVs and things will be running android TV on them also. should be an exciting year for people who like android stb setups. they kinda failed before with googleTV or whatever it was but i think the timing is right this time and "android TV" is going to be the next big thing for internet media on demand lovers everywhere.
[Fire TV General] Y314K:
Would love to see one with OTA Antenna & PVR built in. Would be the perfect machine. For now a rooted FireTV will be the best for the price.
[Fire TV General] skeptic_always:
I'll wait for the actual user reviews to start showing up before I make a final decision, but at this point I'm leaning toward no. The biggest drawback to the FireTV for me is lack of storage. 8G is just not enough, I will not buy another FTV game until an official firmware update includes support for USB drives. Just a wild guess, but I suspect the Nexus Player has this same limitation. I'm willing to wait a bit longer and pay a bit more for a different Android TV box with better specs and hardware support.
[Fire TV General] tsabrakar:
In old days of PC if you run out RAM you used Virtual RAM.
[Fire TV General] Y314K:
Right.. Until actual user reviews it is just speculations. Which was kind of odd seeing how many vs articles there where in the last week. Comparing known hardware (with known drawbacks) with never tested until release vaporware. When in reality the best they could do is compare spec sheet vs actual usage. In those cases actual usage always wins.

The reason in the last month I went ahead and bought 3 FireTV's (Probably won't need more) instead of wait was this batch is still rootable if you block the updates. And using coupons (Staples started sending me $30off$60 coupons two months in a row) & online chat (Got an extra $10 off each unit) I was able to get all 3 for $47.63 each. I don't think I will be able to get a deal that good on a Nexus Player or any other Android TV box device in the next year or so. They are all rooted & I can easily sell them on eBay or locally if I do end up deciding I want something else. But just the fact that the Nexus Player wants me to deal with MicroUSB instead of a regular USB I don't think I'll like it much.

The only device that might make me move from the FireTV will be a Android TV box that incorporated OTA antenna & PVR together. This is something Aereo should be looking into since they have the perfect Antenna tech for such a device.
[Fire TV General] skeptic_always:
Mohu Channels kinda-sorta does this in a limited way. It's a small streaming device that has a tuner and can time-shift live TV, but doesn't have true PVR capabilities. It also has Internet streaming abilities. However, IMHO it's a bit of a flop. No PVR, horrible remote., ugly interface (IMHO). I do NOT want a keyboard + airmouse, I want something that works perfectly with a simple TV style remote, possibly with a hidden or on the back keyboard for text entry. I don't know what all streaming services it supports, but I suspect it's far less than any of the other main streaming devices. Tivo also has their Roamio line, but after you factor in the monthly fee or lifetime subscription these things are really expensive.

I think the major issue with combining a quality streaming device with true PVR capabilities is the cost. I suspect the profit margin for a $99 streaming device like a Roku 3, Fire TV or Nexus Player is very thin. Now add a hard drive and tuner (multiple tuners if you want to record multiple shows or record one thing while watching something else live), additional size of the box, power requirements, cooling, noise... They can eliminate some of this and save some money by supporting an external drive instead of a built-in one, but us end users still have to buy the drive and now have an extra device.

With the way Google is open, allowing other companies to create their own take on Android TV with their own hardware setups, something like this may be possible. I just don't expect it to be anywhere near the $99 price point. That's not to say I wouldn't buy one, but in my situation it would need to support whole-house TV streaming. Record on one box, watch recordings on another, no monthly fee - the OTA guide data works well enough for me as it is.
[Fire TV General] Y314K:
Right.. But I would of guess at least one of the big hardware making companies would of tackle this by now. Right now most devices go to heavy on just one side of the equation. They are either really good streamers or good at OTA & maybe PVR. But no one has sat down and really done something that would truly be perfect for a cord cutter.

We need.. Good 1080P Streamer hardware which would also help on the gaming dept. + at least 2 good tuners + PVR + Full Android PlayStore functionality.
[Fire TV General] skeptic_always:
Yep. Since you mentioned gaming, I think we are getting pretty close to having full fledged modern gaming on these little Android boxes. Not XBox One or PS4 quality stuff, but hardware is nearing the point where good quality 1080p 3d gaming in a multi-player environment is possible. Look at Modern Combat 4, Asphalt 8, Dead Trigger 2, etc. I'd much rather spend $200 on a streaming box that my kids would use for gaming (and far cheaper games), than an actual gaming console. Toss in PVR capabilities and all of a sudden $300 sounds like a bargain.

I wish I could remember which company was supposedly working on a more gaming focused Android TV box.
[Fire TV General] Tinwarble:
That would be Razer: http://www.engadget.com/2014/06/25/razer-micro-console/
[Fire TV General] skeptic_always:
That's the one, thanks! I'm not buying anything until this comes out and I can see how it compares to whatever other Android TV options there are at the time. If nothing else, a "gaming" device should have better specs and more storage than a standard one making non-gaming apps quicker and smoother. I really hope it comes with a regular remote and not just a game controller that doubles as the remote as that could kill the deal for me. Yes, I'm that picky.
[Fire TV General] sebr:
Since I already got no luck with the FTV (no root) I also won't touch the Nexus Player. Also 1GB of RAM and lack builtin wired network are major disadvantages.

Any recommendations for a good Android box / stick?
[Fire TV General] Y314K:
I do believe that if a new root method comes out. It will probably come out of Europe. Here is hopping for ya'll.
[Fire TV General] DonnieDio:
At what clock speed? Haven't seen any decent benchmark comparisons, any links?

As far as I'm aware Snapdragon 801 and 600 CPU performance is pretty similar clock for clock.
[Fire TV General] ars_92:
Nexus player wont be the only android TV device. We'll just have to wait and see what other manufacturers like samsung and htc do with this.
[Fire TV General] Y314K:
Right.. It seems more like a me-too product then a leading edge Nexus product of the past.
[Fire TV General] kojak1989:
fine
[Fire TV General] jimac:
hobbled by locked bootloaders etc

Devices like the Fire TV, Nexus player, Xiaomi TV Box Pro are all great in concept, but locking things down so badly hobbles the device.

I sold the Fire Tv I imported.

This is why devices like the Tronsmart S89H, Beelink M8 and MX III (2gb version) are all great devices. - All boards manufactured by Netxeon.

Not locked down, in-house developers actually working with the dev community (like at freaktab.com) to make their device firmware/ROMs better.

They work fantastically - the only criticism I'd make is that the psu that some of them come with is a bit crap (results vary, I've had some good and some not so much, with the same model) and introduces noise, but these are easily and cheaply replaced with a better qualty item.

Specs for all the devices I mentioned above are broadly as follows (no surprise as they all run the same ROM/firmware):-

CPU Model	Amlogic S802-H 2.0GHz (Cortex-A9)

CPU Cores	Quad-Core

GPU	Mali-450

Memory	2G DDR3

Internal Storage	16G Nand flash

Expand Memory	1 x Micro SD Card Slot, support max 64G

Wifi Connectivity	AP6330,Support 802.11 a/b/g/n, 2.4G/5G WIFI

Bluetooth	Bluetooth v4.0

3G	N/A

Video format	Support multiple video decoding, 4K*2K, H.264 ,1080P

Picture format	JPEG/ BMP/ GIF/ PNG/TIF

IR Sensor	1 x IR

Ethernet	10/100M LAN

Indicator	1 x Power LED

Additional Function	Built-in wifi antenna, Miracast/DLNA, Android Original UI, Support Dolby&Dolby

HDMI Port	Standard HDMI female

HDMI Version	HDMI 1.4b out, 4K*2K

Power	DC 5V/3A

The 2gb RAM 8gb ROM MX III (be careful not to buy a clone, or the 1gb RAM version) can be had for about £62 inc DHL delivery and import duties to the UK.
[Fire TV General] skeptic_always:
When the generic boxes start shipping with Android TV instead of just Android, and I can get a TV style remote with mic that supports voice search, I'll consider one. I have an Android box (G-Box Midnight MX2) that sits in a closet collecting dust. The need to use some kind of airmouse/touch pad for certain touchscreen designed functions kills it for me. I'm hoping there will be an Android TV firmware update for it so I can re-purpose it for one of the lesser used TVs like my kids' video game TV, but it's probably a bit low powered to replace one of my Roku/FireTV setups. I care about reliability, functionality, ease of use and performance. I don't care about the brand on the side of the box.
[Fire TV General] roustabout:
Now that the amazon video app is available for other Android devices, I'd love to see the fireTV firmware replaced with the gtv OS as a ROM. It may never happen, but it would let fireTV users retain what makes the early boxes so good - wired ethernet, bulletproof USB keyboard support at boot time, ability to stream content from almost every big service, dedicated digital audio out - while getting out of the "what will Amazon do next" game.

The locked bootloader isn't fatal to getting alternate roms running as I understand it but does make it substantially more challenging to do so.

For me, the two biggest surprises in the Google box are the wireless-only and the crap audio out. I don't know how well a standard - to - micro USB converter will work with a USB keyboard at boot time, either - which is when I most want to be able to use a keyboard with Android!

I run my fireTV into a stereo rather than straight into my TV, and I'm surprised by the amount of hum that the HDMI audio cable picks up. It's hard to say whether it's inherent in the cable, in the technology itself, a problem with the grounding of the firetv or specific to my setup but it's not present on the fiber output.

Given that these things are intended as media players and that very few people will use their TV speakers to listen to them, the audio out on the FireTV or the WD TV Live series of products (I don't know the Roku models) makes them much more interesting to some folks.
[Fire TV General] fredphoesh:
nonsense!

you will have access to ALL your play store apps.

Fire TV is absolutely pathetic with regard to what you can install.

no contest wrt openness to apps you can install.

but you may have a point that google may make it impossible to root... we'll see.

i just got my FireTV and am very disappointed in the awful user experience. Great for xbmc, terrible for everything else I want to use.

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I have had my fireTV for just a few hours and am thinking of selling it... way too suffocated by amazon... not just the rooting, but awful experience using sideloaded apps, and major limitations in app navigation etc...

I also have tronsmart s89 and it is excellent.
[Fire TV General] retroben:
I too,liked the GTV OS and the ability to use widgets and wallpapers.

Not having NDK really sucked though.

I had a Sony NSZ-GS7 from full price until it crapped out and helped me replace it with both a Fire TV and a Logitech K400r keyboard at Best Buy before getting royally screwed by Sony since they discontinued their box.

The GS7 ran well until one day when it was on randomly running really hot and later ended up getting corrupted with initial setup appearing again.
[Fire TV General] ars_92:
For me so far,the fire tv has been great. Xbmc,hulu and netflix runs great and works well with the remote. I do have root so i have play store on it,but ive barely installed any apps from it lol. Inmostly use the apps from the amazon app store as they work well for a non touch device like vimeo,pbs,etc. As for launching side loaded apps,its super simple if you install the FiredTV launcher available here. Dont understand why are people still using the default launcher if they have many sideloaded apps.

The only thing i want now is:-

Wireless AC to better stream my remux blu rays for xbmc

Hardware decoder for HEVC

android TV OS coz its awesome :P

I gotta feeling I'll be purchasing the second gen fireTV or maybe some android TV product from samsung or something. Dont really feel like getting a minix or anything like that as hulu and netflix are worst than crap on all those devices and there's nothing those manufacturers can do about it.
[General Accessories] bololabich:
I have a ipega 9025 and it works fine with GTA, modern combat 5, nova 3 (but I gotta use MCHelper) and every emulator but there is a problem with Modern Combat 4. Everything works, only A and B don't work at all with this game and also when I wanna use gamepad with touch games by gamekeyboard, I can't cuz A and B work as back.

Please let me know if there are mistakes, I still learn English...
[Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] wantastic:
Hello all,

I have a Galaxy S4(SHV-E330S) that I bought from Korea and would like to see if this can be somehow converted into T-Mobile. I understand that there is a hardware limitation that does not allow me to use 4G LTE in T-Mobile. However, I was wondering if I could flash the phone with T-Mobile ROM so that I could use features like Wi-Fi calling. Does anyone know of a way to achieve this?

Thank you,

Wan
[Nexus 6  General] gregk232:
Let the debate begin. Obviously these 3 devices will be the highest end you can buy.

As for me, I am completely torn between the 3 devices.

I am really upset that the Droid Turbo/Moto X Play will have better specs than the Nexus 6. (21mp camera, HUGE Battery)

Here are my thoughts.

Nexus 6

- Always will have latest version of Android

- 6 inch display is too damn big. (But will look very nice with 2k :) )

- Camera is nowhere near top of the line by today's standards.

- No removable battery or expandable storage

- Wireless charging!

- No IR blaster. (Sorry, this feature is awesome. Have you ever turned off a TV at the bar in the middle of the game?? :) )

- It's gorgeous

Moto X Play/Droid Turbo

- I would rather take 5.2 in display over 6 in

- Tablet sized batterry

- 21MP Camera!

- No guarantee it will always have latest version of Android :(

- Moto X Play will probably will take forever to come out after Droid Turbo because of Verizon exclusive. I want my new phone NOW

Note 4

- Great camera (Better than nexus 6)

- Replaceable battery and expandable storage

- IR Blaster

- It is also gorgeous

- Touchwiz has always, and will always suck.

- Flashing any AOSP/CM based rom will break a lot of the features. It will also degrade camera performance because of the new kernel

What y'all think?
[Nexus 6  General] tabitha4210:
I am only torn between 2. The moto x and the Nexus 6....I just can't stand touch wiz.

Really my only doubt is the size of the Nexus but it is a Nexus. Love my N5 and i still feel it has a lot of longevity but man oh man do I want that new hardware....
[Nexus 6  General] Sudbury78:
I'm torn with note 4 and nexus. I'm on verizon now and plan to move to t mobile. My fear with the turbo is major bloat and the inability to root and use recovery.
[Nexus 6  General] gregk232:
I am on Tmo. There should be a GSM variant of the Turbo coming out called the Moto X Play per an FCC filing.

I think it is safe to say that from a pure specs perspective, this phone is at the top.
[Nexus 6  General] Sudbury78:
Hmmm intriguing. Now I'm more confused and sad I have to wait. Haha
[Nexus 6  General] gregk232:
Its also worth noting that all of these moto phones coming out are still operating under Google ownership. This should be good thing with keeping the bloat to a minimum.
[Nexus 6  General] eksasol:
What is this Moto X Play thing, I never heard of that. As far as I understand the official name is Droid Turbo.

Where did you even make this conclusion from? Have you actually used it or are you just basing it on Megapixel counts?

I have used the OnePlus before which use the Sony Exmor214 sensor, which is actually pretty high end. A lot of it will come down to post processing software. So we have to wait and see. Here is a 4K DCI example of the video recording using the same sensor as in the Nexus 6: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6y4GvxAHFxU

I got some pretty high quality images from the OnePlus camera myself, even though it doesn't have the best post processing technology.
[Nexus 6  General] gregk232:
Hey. Here is some info on the Moto X Play FCC filing.

I was under the impression that the Moto X and the Nexus 6 would have the same camera. From what I have seen in the review videos of the Moto X is that the camera is not good at all.

I will check out the sample you sent... should be interesting.
[Nexus 6  General] pedxing:
I'm torn between the nexus 6 and the moto x play. On the one hand the play (or whatever it will be called on Att and tmobile) has that awesome battery, super camera, more usable size. However it appears to lack LTE band 12 for the non vzw variant. That's a bummer because 700 mhz is awesome for building penetration and T-Mobile has bought a lot of it this year.

Nexus 6 has it plus a reasonable battery. I love my nexus 5 except for the battery could be 25% better.

One the size issue, I held an iPhone 6 plus the other day and it wasn't that bad. I could see myself getting used to it.

Note 4 is right out. Can't stand Samsung devices except for my galaxy nexus (still have).
[Nexus 6  General] nighthawk626:
I have the note 3 and its tits, I'm getting the nexus 6. If I ever get annoyed, I can always go back to my note 3. Nexus 4 and 5 were a bore to me. I'm actually very boob excited for this nexus 6
[Nexus 6  General] _MetalHead_:
The Moto X Play seems badass in theory, but it's pretty much just vapor right now. If it is an AT&T exclusive, it will be locked down incredibly tight and there likely won't be much development going on for it. I'm sure it will get rooted, but Motorola's bootloaders are notoriously difficult to crack. If ROMing is your thing, then the Moto X Play probably won't be. I don't know if you've considered the regular Moto X but I would give it an honest shot too. You can pick up the Pure edition which is free of carrier bloat and has an unlockable bootloader essentially making it a 5.2" Nexus phone. It is hands down the nicest feeling Android phone I've ever held in my hands, and its performance is top notch.

As far as the iPhone 6 is concerned, it's a seriously awesome piece of hardware. I always have at least one Android device as well as an iPhone since I love multiple things about both platforms and can honestly say that with the 6, there is less of an itch to pick up my Android phone than ever before. I think Apple knocked it out of the park with this one and can recommend it wholeheartedly. If I was stuck on a deserted island and had to choose either Android or iOS to keep with me I'd still choose Android, but it would be a tougher decision to make and live with now that I have the 6.
[Nexus 6  General] agentxavier:
I'm on verizon. Sold my note 3 because I could not stand touchwiz. Bought the moto x it is a fantastic phone but I miss being able to play with phones like my galaxy nexus. Im buying the nexus 6 the instant it is available.
[Nexus 6  General] pedxing:
Agree with you there. I was hoping for a play edition of the x play.... Maybe it's a unicorn though.

I'll probably preorder the nexus 6 and see how it goes and if the battery isn't good enough and the magical moto comes out with pure android I'll grab that and try it.

Hopefully Motorola will do it like the did with the g and the new x.
[Nexus 6  General] _MetalHead_:
If and when it does come out, its software will be as close to stock as you can get without it being an official "pure android" device. Ditching Blur was the smartest thing Motorola did- they went from having the worst software to having the best software overnight. The additional software features that Motorola includes in their phones now actually make stock android better. Active display is the greatest thing in the world since man first discovered that oysters are edible.
[Nexus 6  General] xaznxplaya:
Guys how would this compare to the Galaxy S5?