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[Xperia Z3 General] Akiainavas:
I really don't get people complaining all the time, everyday etc. but to be honest - it's hard not to be disappointed. They said beginning of feb - and now, it's past the middle of feb and they still didn't release the update or even said a word about it.

I honestly don't care when I get it, it's just painful to see Sony didn't keep their promise and left users in the dark again. This is not what I would call 'greatness'.
[Xperia Z3 General] vittogn:
I'm annoyed as well about the length of this update. Let's remember that developer preview of L was released 7 months ago. Let's also remember that Google stated that OEM should update within 90 days of release of final code.

Having said that the lack of leak (same for the Z4) gives me the impression of Sony controlling better than before their processes. This is good to me.

Let's hope they'll make our wait worth with a perfect release and with reviewd/modern style of the UI.

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[Xperia Z3 General] lee480:
They never ever said "beginning if Feb". They just said Feb. Period.
[Xperia Z3 General] unmaskedfalesh:
Relevant?

N who didn't see ces 2015.. Plz don't post they never said beginning of February.. Or watever

They clearly mentioned beginning of February
[Xperia Z3 General] persian_redhat:
Sony is thinking just marketing not customer. We are nothing just a person who pays Sony. They think Elvis is alive.

I bet android L is ready for release, however they have passed a road from 4K recording issues and battery drain as the cause of 5.0 bug to the final point.

Sony, you won the game making us disappointed.

I'm not Michael Coulda, but each of your consumers can be.
[Xperia Z3 General] lee480:
Congrats, you've officially lost all the little credibility you have.

Exact words pertaining to Lollipop by COO of Sony at CES conference in January.

"our initiative to bring Android 5.0 Lollipop to the entire Xperia Z Series - starting globally from next month”

I don't see any mention of " early Feb "
[Xperia Z3 General] unmaskedfalesh:
If u say that word in January wat next month is march??? May be in ur calendar
[Xperia Z3 General] lee480:
Nope. It shows February in mine and mine starts from 1st to 28th Feb.
[Xperia Z3 General] Prasad:
Next month from January is February in every calendar that could be considered rational. The launch was announced in January to be in February. Preceding that statement with "beginning of" is a matter of a game of Chinese whispers.
[Xperia Z3 General] freddy1991:
I second that.

I also don't know who started spreading the rumor about "beginning of February".

I had downloaded the whole Sony CES 2015 on youtube and watched it almost 5 times especially the part where they showed photos of green bot holding lollipop, z3 and z3v.

He clearly said "starting globally next month" only but didn't mention anything about which part of next month.
[Xperia Z3 General] Bäcker:
beginning of Feb is just wishful thinking on your end (admittedly everybody else probably as well). Stay with the facts.
[Xperia Z3 General] Huey85:
LOL you've clearly lost the plot. Watch the Sony announcement during CES 2015 again and pay attention to the exact words mentioned.
[Xperia Z3 General] jsscx:
So we just have to wait until the end of Feb,if we would get nothing,then we could say more about complaints,but there would be always pains of ourselves,which finally takes OEM to the end...let's just not hope so.Anyway,we just wait,time will prove anything.At least I think we will get lollipop before Z4's releasing,better to think so.
[Xperia Z3 General] persian_redhat:
But the things are going in contrary way. I hoped that the release will happen this month but we have passed half of it and there is nothing new
[Xperia Z3 General] Huey85:
There is still just under half a month to go in February.... And you can't say there if nothing new.. You should have noticed by now bunch of Sony apps being updated with lollipop compatibility.
[Xperia Z3 General] G-FACE:
Lollipop will be released when all Sony apps get updated.

Which one left? Movies and...
[Xperia Z3 General] King p1n:
Lol you should just give up on Lollipop this month.

Sony suck at updates and have little communication with their customers...unlike HTC, who may not always meet their deadlines but actually offer updates on progress.

And Sony wonder why their division is failing, things like this make people reluctant to buy Sony devices.
[Xperia Z3 General] itsjustJOH:
See, Sony has the most to do in transitioning their UI and apps to the Material Design design language. They have not significantly changed their UI since 4.0/4.1, design-wise. Samsung, LG and HTC had slowly transitioned theirs through 4.4 (though HTC's didn't really changed a lot).
[Xperia Z3 General] Prasad:
Both great points to know. However, there's never a good reason to not have good communication with consumers.
[Xperia Z3 General] itsjustJOH:
Yeah, Sony's support staff know nothing about what's happening with their software team. If they would reply to a customer complaint asking for an update, it would be a vague "soon".
[Xperia Z3 General] kernald:
Yeah right. But you're forgetting one thing: a vast majority of smartphone buyers don't even know that there is a new Android version. They don't even know which version their phone is running. Do the test yourself and ask random people on the street.
[Xperia Z3 General] Cozmos23:
Yeh "what kind of operating system are u using?"

"Samsung"

LoL

Btw.
[Xperia Z3 General] Drzfr3shboialex:
And I quote "Galaxy." lol, I've been surprised on how many people I've spoken to thinking their phone is galaxy OS. I've said download this app it's for Android, then they're like I have a galaxy and I'm like Yeah android lol
[Xperia Z3 General] xxquicksh0txx:
The same applies to almost any 'enthusiast' group.

They could all ask you something about their hobby and we'd probably be just as clueless.

It's not that they're stupid, they just use their phone as a phone.
[Xperia Z3 General] russell664:
Exactly. It is the same as asking someone, oh what is the base clock of your ram on your PC?

Most people do not even know what that is, the same applies to android versions too. There are far more people who use a phone as a phone and don't modify it and any other way, than those who do.
[Xperia Z3 General] vittogn:
Agreed! This is why such a simplistic OS like iOS is so successful! Sorry. OT!!!

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[Xperia Z3 General] Cryssie:
I had not expected Sony to keep us updated on every excruciating detail of the lollipop roll out. It is a very Japanese company after all. In Japan you do not air your dirty laundry period.

Also, entitlement is a western thing.

We will get it when it is ready, I suppose :)
[Xperia Z3 General] Prasad:
Wow. Very well said. Regardless, communication is key to any relationship - even that between a company and it's clientele.
[Xperia Z3 General] Cryssie:
But they have communicated to us it will arrive in February. We still have 10 days to go so all is well.

Edit:

I know everyone is dying to know when the update is coming and would love to see a statement saying "oh, you guys! We totally were planning to release it 2 weeks ago but this and that happened so please have a little more patience Bla bla"

But that would be admitting to failure, which is not really a cool thing in Japan and point 2. They have not failed. They have committed to a February release.

It is coming.
[Xperia Z3 General] melogray:
True thing. The majority of people really don't care about operating systems and updates and stuff. They just want their devices to be working. Most of my friends (or actually all of them, if you skip those who I share my interest in tech with) actually NEVER installed ANY update to ANY of their devices. Even Windows updates are like "oh I don't install them, they're always taking so long". Some of them don't even know that updates in general exist.

Sure, if you come to a community like this it's kind of natural that everyone is waiting for the latest updates. But in real life, most people really couldn't care less.
[Xperia Z3 General] Akiainavas:
Sorry mate but iOS is not a simplistic OS. It's limited in features - because Apple wants it to be limited - but under the hood it's a full fledged desktop-class, unix-based OS that is no different from OS X, Android or Windows in terms of possible functionality.

It's successfull because it's simple and efficient, true. But I would never call it simplistic.
[Xperia Z3 General] apeiron6:
http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/XperiaBlog/~3/0nYGUBzf29I/

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[Xperia Z3 General] vittogn:
I do not want to open an OT.

Let's call it simple then!! I'm not a native speaker, even if I know what simplistic mean!

OT closed.

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[Xperia Z3 General] Jiyeon90:
http://www.xperiablog.net/2015/02/18/android-5-0-lollipop-for-xperia-z3-certified-by-wi-fi-alliance/

lollipop should be here very soon, sony said February and yes, we will get it this month, I dont know why people were freaking out..
[Xperia Z3 General] King p1n:
You hope you will lol...
[Xperia Z3 General] Hussain_Salam:
I think Lollipop will come out 26th of February, just because Z3 Came out on September 26th, Not a comfirmed source but meh
[Xperia Z3 General] Webern:
OT reopened...FOR THE PEOPLE!!
[Xperia Z3 General] goTouch:
True

http://www.phonearena.com/news/Sony...rmware-approved-by-the-Wi-Fi-Alliance_id66147
[Xperia Z3 General] vittogn:
Yeah, we are bored waiting and talking about certification!

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[Xperia Z3 General] slim207rc:
Those links are funny because if you got to the WiFi alliance site, you will not find the xperia Z3 there.. I'm wondering where those pictures come from
[Xperia Z3 General] slim207rc:
Screenshot from newest to oldest certified products. As you can see, the newest certified product of a smartphone was on the 13.02.2015
[Xperia Z3 General] lee480:
The entry was removed by them.
[Xperia Z3 General] bergoulle:
They have removed all things related to lollipop, including the google play store. All apps screen shots containing lollipop launcher have been removed. This company is justing doing wrong ...nightmare !!!
[Xperia Z3 General] cem_jimmy:
What do you mean wıth deleıng all apps they are not gonna make aosp rom
[Xperia Z3 General] slim207rc:
He said "app Screenshots", what he meant was all Screenshots from sony apps showing off a lollipop launcher or navigation keys in the play store, have been removed so we don't get to see them. Quite sad somehow though
[Xperia Z3 General] cem_jimmy:
Aha ok
[Xperia Z3 General] mmoon24:
Doubt we will have to wait until May, but T-Mobile has plans for band 12 via "software update" at that time.

http://www.t-mobile.com/optional-services/coverage-phones-700.html
[Xperia Z3 General] Eason85:
I might be the only one but I'm not interested in rushing to get 5.0 since I finally have 4.4.4 running well with xposed/amplify. Having to figure out how to stop my battery from dying AGAIN isn't something I'm excited for. Every single time I've been excited for an update, I assumed it would fix all the things wrong with the old version. I was wrong about 2, 4, 4.1, and I'm sure 5 will disappoint. Google just doesn't fix their bugs.
[Xperia Z3 General] kernald:
Sony is doing a great job with that. Don't forget that it's a Japanese company, the culture of secret is really important here. Not a single leak means they're controlling whatever happens. I like to see it as a positive point.
[Xperia Z3 General] Jobiza:
And also Sony can't lose it's marketing as 2-day battery life with z3, so they make the update as 100% ready at least for battery life.
[Xperia Z3 General] vittogn:
Agreed. If there is a leak we complain because the company is out of control.

For this lollipop release Sony did a good job in keeping it secret......provided there is such update!!

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[Xperia Z3 General] Cozmos23:
The "its ready when its done" sentence is only worth to tell from companys which do awesome work.

When I see the bloat and laggyness on stock, where I have to remove few hundred mbs I wouldn't say Sonys mobile part is one oft them.
[Xperia Z3 General] user91:
Reading through the comments of users here: http://www.androidcentral.com/galaxy-s5-owners-hows-lollipop-update-treating-you , I think I prefer to wait a bit longer...
[Xperia Z3 General] lee480:
Just sad that I don't experience the same thing. Stock ROM - no lag at all. Good job Sony! I'm sure they're putting their maximum on the lollipop update to make what's are great, greater! Go Sony!!
[Xperia Z3 General] Webern:
I think most people are up to speed with the fact that Sony were totally pwned just then, and terrabytes of data downloaded over a period of months. There's no control whatsoever!
[Xperia Z3 General] lee480:
Sony Mobile Communications and Sony Pictures are autonomous enetities
[Xperia Z3 General] augie7107:
Movies app updated to material design.
[Xperia Z3 General] slim207rc:
Correct
[Xperia Z3 General] sgiannouris:
I know this is off topic in this thread, but did you find amplify a better solution than Stamina mode + greenify?

I am very interested in your approach if you would be so kind to tell me what you have done. [emoji3]
[Xperia Z3 General] melogray:
What really irks me about this whole thing is the fact that we don't know what we're actually gonna get. Samsung, HTC, LG, all Lollipop builds have leaked before they were released, so people could actually see how Lollipop is going to look like on their device. We don't get that for Xperia devices at all.

I could live with the update being delayed in order for Sony to get a really good, well-optimized and bug-free software rolled out to Xperia customers, but if there's one thing I absolutely hate it is uncertainty. I have no idea what Lollipop is going to look like on the Z3. Yes, Sony updates their multimedia applications to Material design, now what? That doesn't say anything about the actual UI. If Sony just showed us how they're gonna change the look to meet the Material design language then I could consider if it's worth waiting or not. If it's worth waiting, I'll wait. If it's not, I'm staying with KitKat. It's easy as pie.

So yeah, just my two cents on that. Sony can take all the time they need to provide a great experience with 5.0, but damn it, just give us a glimpse. I don't want to waste my time waiting for an update that I end up not installing.
[Xperia Z3 General] G-FACE:
Come oooon, what time exactly you waste when you are waiting for an update?

You don't spend time with family, but sitting infront of the computer hitting the damn f5 button?

Is that so?
[Xperia Z3 General] melogray:
Pressing F5 dims my keyboard backlight, so that's not gonna help anyway. You didn't get the point.
[Xperia Z3 General] kernald:
Neither do I. You say you have the choice between waiting for an update (do nothing until it's released), or stay on Kit Kat (do nothing). What's the difference?
[Xperia Z3 General] Cozmos23:
Lollipop has an very efficient management system. The best I have seen so far.

The controlled wakeups which Sony provides in their Firmware is already included in Lollipop so if they basically add their sources everything should be fine.

Most Phones which run Lollipop have battery life improved.

But we will see when the update finally arrives.

There are a lot oft news about Sony atm, which are not very promising for future updates.

F.e. when they sell their mobile part to another Company...

But no matter how it will be, the image of Sony is completely destroyed.
[Xperia Z3 General] itsjustJOH:
Wow, you are actually complaining about not having leaks? Damn man, you're even complaining about waiting for something that you might not like when it comes out. Like kids can't contain their excitement to open their Christmas gifts so they rip a piece of the wrapper to get a little peek so they would know if mommy and daddy bought what they wanted and then cry like a baby and be angry at them if they didn't. And then you said:

"If it's worth waiting, I'll wait. If it's not, I'm staying with KitKat. It's easy as pie."

You can't wait for something and expect it won't disappoint you, and then complain that you waited for something you didn't want. You wait for something regardless of what it would bring. If it didn't satisfy you, then move on. Dude, that's a simple life rule. Just be thankful Sony is still supporting your device, and is working very hard for it. Also, how it would look doesn't justify the hard work the dev team has done to optimize the new OS version for their devices. There's a lot of other things to consider that would make Lollipop a really good update.

Then you ended it with "it's easy as pie". Man, if it's that simple, why complain about something so small? Sheeesh.
[Xperia Z3 General] melogray:
The difference is if I'd know that I'm not going to update because I won't like it then I could stop thinking about it and enjoy the Z3 as it is. It's not that hard. I'm not the type of person that checks for updates every ten minutes but I'd still like to know where things are going. Even Apple introduces new iOS versions before they roll out to customers, and they're anything but known for being open about what they do.
[Xperia Z3 General] acheron350:
Movies didnt even get material design, just the icon. Damn...
[Xperia Z3 General] Eason85:
Yeah, I donated for amplify and used it according to this guide: http://xdaforums.com/android/general/guide-0-0-hour-idle-battery-drain-stock-t2973588

I used that + greenify for certain apps, plus looked at data usage and disabled background data for some bloated apps. The only drain I get when the screen off is signal. Amplify is definitely worth it (having already paid money for autorun manager and greenify pro)
[Xperia Z3 General] corallus:
Still got the really effing annoying captain Philips bug too.
[Xperia Z3 General] melogray:
No, I'm not. I'm just observing the fact that for all the other major flagships there were some. Also, when the Z3 came out it was obvious how the UI is going to change on the Z2. When the Z2 came out it was obvious how the UI is going to change on the Z1. And so on. I can't say that for the Z3 since there is neither a preview of Lollipop, nor of the Z4.

I'm not complaining about waiting, I'm just saying I'd like to know if it's worth to be waiting. See the difference?

It's like buying a new phone. Every time a new flagship is around the corner people ask if it's worth to wait for it or buy last year's flagship. No one blames them. You misrepresent my whole post.

If I didn't want it I wouldn't have waited for it. That's the actual point. We don't know anything about the Lollipop update for the Z3, so how can you tell if you want it or not?

Again, I'm not complaining. If you misunderstood my post as a complaint then I'm sorry, but that's none of my business.
[Xperia Z3 General] Webern:
Damn, I'm all out of popcorn.

I know - why don't we all get ready to complain about some new feature of lollipop now; it'll save time later. I'm going to bagsy the fact that long-pressing the power button just powers off; no screenshots, volume etc. I suggest the first person to read this jumps in with "you can't turn the volume fully off with the volume button" and perhaps someone else can pick up wifi problems, battery life, the need to clear apps to get around the dirty ota flash.
[Xperia Z3 General] bosas200:
How do you think will Z1 get the same UI as Z3? Because now its a bit different and i cant understand why
[Xperia Z3 General] lee480:
New lollipop UI definitely, but don't expect features (like double tap to wake) from Z2/Z3 ported to the Z1.
[Xperia Z3 General] sfkaudi:
http://www.whatsontech.com/2015/02/19/xperia-z3-lollipop-update-firmware-approved-by-wi-fi-alliance

Not so long again
[Xperia Z3 General] warface:
Yep, we had that yesterday, mate...
[Xperia Z3 General] sfkaudi:
Yes but isn't a slightly different

As it is final approval
[Xperia Z3 General] kernald:
Yeah, did you look at the date on the certification? February 16, 2015. When [MENTION=2775413]warface[/MENTION] said we had it yesterday, he was talking about the exact same certification.
[Xperia Z3 General] sfkaudi:
Okay didn't see that ?

Sorry?
[Xperia Z3 General] bergoulle:
"Sony's search for profits could put an end to its mobile future" source : Engadget
[Xperia Z3 General] cem_jimmy:


Than ıts mean z3 wıll be the Last ı read that almost 15 page ın turkey and also our fun page ıts really bad ıf sony do thıs
[Xperia Z3 General] abhinav.tella:
I think if anything there will be a Z4 before any sale of the mobile division.

It was kind of expected, they finally returned to black (mobile unit), but in the long run I guess they didn't think they could compete. Even Samsung is facing losses due to low margin devices from Chinese manufacturers. Apple has the advantage of a fully closed system so they aren't affected. As for Android it's growing but more and more companies are entering the market cannibalizing at the major companies.

You never know, the Xperia line may continue under another company just like how ThinkPad went from IBM to Lenovo and how Moto still exists as a subsidiary.
[Xperia Z3 General] danw_oz:
The Sony Xperia Z3 running Android 5.0 Lollipop has been certified for its WIFI, so we can't be too far off, looks like we might not be getting an updated lollipop release
[Xperia Z3 General] King p1n:
A lot of people are going to be disappointed.
[Xperia Z3 General] Akiainavas:
Wonder where will Sony users go if they sold the mobile division and their current phones died ? A poll on Xperia Blog suggested a big move to Apple and HTC with Samsung trailing after them. Personally I would probably give Apple a go as I really don't enjoy HTC phones and Samsung is just not for me.
[Xperia Z3 General] dedei:
I'd probably go to LG or Moto if they step up their camera game. Apple only if I win the lottery lol :/
[Xperia Z3 General] unmaskedfalesh:
Would try htc...apple if in case..and sammy.. Dont think so
[Xperia Z3 General] russell664:
I have an iPad as an apple device, and love the device obviously it has to be jailbroken.

Each to your own, I would not touch Samsung with a bargepole, and Apple could well be on my list as my next device. But who knows, in the next year or so the smart phone industry could be very different.
[Xperia Z3 General] persian_redhat:
What is this thread about? You are all confusing me. Shall i talk about next device i'm going to buy?! As an answer to myself i have to pay some consideration
[Xperia Z3 General] russell664:
Simple fact of the matter is this thread has been wildly de-railed.

The thread should be locked until there is actually some real information to pass on. Instead of just speculation.
[Xperia Z3 General] jonmorris:
Apple is out as it's switching to a whole different OS and losing all my purchased apps/games.

I was disappointed with my M8, and Samsung TouchWiz has effectively ruled out any Samsung for me. If that goes with the GS6 and Edge models, I may well be tempted as they generally make good hardware.

While the battery isn't great, the next best phone for me (second to my Z3) is the LG G3. The (last gen Sony) camera is surprisingly good and the performance with Lollipop and without LG's own launcher, is excellent. It's a great phone, especially with the quick circle cover that's immeasurably better than the crappy windowed cover Sony made and I stupidly purchased.

Of course, I hope there will be the Z4 and my need to consider where to go next will be put off for a year or so.

Meanwhile, to get back on topic, I just got 5.0.2. for my Moto G last night (2nd generation, dual-SIM) and I think the reason we've seen all OEMs suffering delays is due to some rather significant issues with Android 5 early on. It even resulted in delays on the Nexus devices, so I think - for once - we can perhaps let Sony and others off for the slow roll out.

Of course once we do get 5.0.x, I expect Sony to keep it updated from then on without making us wait months!