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[ONE Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Heisenberg:
The general perception is that a ROM needs to settle in, whether or not it's true though I have no idea. Let it run for a day or so and use an app like BetterBatteryStats to analyse what's going on with your battery, what kind of wakelocks you're getting, and what's causing them.

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http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=2906746

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[ONE Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] TheHighLife:
Aight let's check it out. Ima download that app and I'll get back to you later. That app has both features? (Monitoring the battery overall + detecting wakelocks?) I'm now using 2 separate apps in order to view them.

[MENTION=464840]other[/MENTION] guy - I don't remember where I got it from but I think there's a download on XDA and otherwise a simple Google search would provide you with a download.
[ONE Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Heisenberg:
Yeah it's a very comprehensive app, it's all I use to monitor my battery.

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[X 2014 General] sthpaw01:
So i see google is updating the 5.0 images this friday, whats the ballpark guess as to when our Moto's see the OTA update? Im on Verizon and I know Verizon takes their sweet time with getting updates out to their phones but this should be a pretty quick update seeing we are pretty much stock...no?
[X 2014 General] crawlgsx:
They said in the coming weeks for the Nexus devices, so it's likely to be 2-4 weeks before the Pure Edition alone see's an update. Those updates then have to make it through your carrier (and you have the worst) before it makes it to your phone. 1 to 2 months is probably optimistic.
[X 2014 General] Note10.1Dude:
Verizon... I'm guessing February. Timeline for Motorola on Verizon should be about the same as for Samsung on any other carrier.
[X 2014 General] alludem:
.....Verizon. Hopefully we will get unlocked bootloader before February. Knowing Lollipop is out there I the fact that Verizon has the power to give it to me is going to drive me crazy. I lived with an unlocked, rooted, custom ROM phone for way too long.
[X 2014 General] durrell12:
I wouldn't count on an unlocked bootloader from Verizon ever. I switched to AT&T and a Pure Edition because of Verizon's iron fist policies.

http://www.androidcentral.com/verizon-wont-be-getting-developer-edition-moto-x-2014
[X 2014 General] Restola:
Verizon 2013 Moto X release schedule

I dont have time to find the exact dates for the nexus 5, but these are either the dates the release was announced or started OTA for the nexus 5 vs when verizon updated for the 2013 moto x

version | nexus 5 | vzw moto x | days

4.4 | Oct 31 | Nov 19 | 19 days

4.4.2 | Dec 10 | Feb 21 | 73 days

4.4.4 | Jun 19 | Jul 31 | 42 days
[X 2014 General] Syn Ack:
So the first update was a timely update. Maybe we can expect the update to 5.0 to be quick and then subsequent updates take a bit longer.
[X 2014 General] darkrom:
Id be shocked if the pure edition got it in less than a month. Much longer for verizon as always.
[X 2014 General] TBayTom:
The developer edition moto x received android 4.4 before it even reached some nexus devices last year. Motorola doesn't have to do much to tweak around the software, it is just the carriers that take forever to approve of the update. I assume Motorola pretty much has a final build of 5.0 ready to go already, they are just waiting on the green light from google. Samsung has already leaked their 5.0 test build online showing off the "new" features it has to offer. Samsung's build looks absolutely horrible, still bogged down by the useless bloat.
[X 2014 General] destes37:
If I remember correctly, wasn't the Verizon Moto X 203 the first to get KK other than the Nexus line?
[X 2014 General] Judge584:
So you will be!!!

I don't remember where so unfortunately I'm unable to provide you a source link but they have already provided an update last year to moto x first gen after the nexus 5 receive it, but before nexus 4.

They told us they want to do the same this year, which means after nexus 6, but before nexus 5.
[X 2014 General] eksasol:
It was but that is a rare instance due to the fact that the Nexus had some encryption issue that they had to fix. It was really down to Motorola to make that happen, not Verizon. In general, Nexus get it first.

For a more correct overview of Verizon. Android 4.2 was released for the GSM Galaxy Nexus on Nov 13th 2012, the Verizon Galaxy Nexus got it 5 months later in March 19th, 2013.
[X 2014 General] stastnysnipes26:
The Verizon 2013 moto x was the first non nexus device to receive kit kat. You guys are being a little harsh on Verizon here. I know their track record is rather poor when it comes to getting updates to phones, but the 2013 moto x was by far the fastest updated phone on Verizon, even faster than the galaxy nexus.

Personally I have high hopes that we will see lollipop in the third or fourth week of November.
[X 2014 General] floepie:
Wait, what's coming on Friday? You mean the latest dev edition, or the real deal IMGs?
[X 2014 General] sthpaw01:
Google has said they were updating the images for 5.0 on Friday.
[X 2014 General] akellar:
No they stated there would be new preview images and SDK for the Nexus devices. Not the official OTA.
[X 2014 General] svtfmook:
my only concern is vzw losing interest on the X in favor of the turbo. they barely had anything for the X before and even on release day, they have an entire webpage countdown for the turbo.
[X 2014 General] sthpaw01:
OK thanks, I wasn't exactly sure how to take the message.
[X 2014 General] Note10.1Dude:
Not a surprise. Turbo is theirs - they own the brand and control the device much more closely than the X. That, and the fact that the Turbo hardware is what the X should have had.
[X 2014 General] mistermartian:
I know there's been a lot of discussion about Verizon. Is the ETA probably going to be the same for AT&T?
[X 2014 General] sthpaw01:
I would think its within the same week.
[X 2014 General] kampana:
I would think that Verizon's update will take much longer this time around, well over 2 months at least. Verizon doesn't want to rock the boat with the Droid Turbo and Nexus 6 coming out; why would VZW want to update a phone that's already out when they can dangle v5.0 on yet un-released phones and make that much more money?
[X 2014 General] GatorsUF:
More money, fairly certain they will still be selling the X. What's the diff if they buy a X, 6 or turbo?
[Xperia Z3 Compact Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] charliebigpot:
Should be pretty standard by now but somehow I can't find it in the settings?

And no, I don't really want to install a lockscreen app like widgetlocker.
[Xperia Z3 Compact Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] ghtop:
No, there's nothing built in, so unless you want to wait until Android Lollipop (which has lockscreen notifications) you'll need an app like NiLS or Floatify - both are excellent, and work better than standard lockscreen apps since they float above the lockscreen rather than needing a widget.
[Xperia Z3 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Playdough96:
With the new Nexus 6 and 9 presented today together with a new Android version, how soon can we expect that Sony updates its latest flagship devices? I have heard different stories about Sony's update speeds, and I hope that they are fast this time ironing bugs and giving their skin a visual up-lifting :D
[Xperia Z3 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] darkrai:
Was just about to make a similar thread :p

Everyone excited about lollipop but I don't think Sony will update the z3 to lollipop anytime soon

It will be a minimum of at least 2 months after the motos or nexii
[Xperia Z3 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] electrash:
2 months it's not much. Before it was 4-5..

So I hope for 2 months
[Xperia Z3 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] darkrai:
Don't forget i said "at least"
[Xperia Z3 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] electrash:
I miss read this "at least" ;)
[Xperia Z3 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] funkyblue04:
If only we could have a Z3 with Stock Android!
[Xperia Z3 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] freddy1991:
Sony amazed everyone with android 4.4.4 updates to its Z series, even faster than Motorola.

Let's hope that the same thing would happen again with Lollipop ?
[Xperia Z3 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] prawnmatic:
Hmmm... I guess I can't post URLs yet but Sony Blog had some good news:

Looks like we can expect it around the start of 2015. Good news :)
[Nexus 6 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] CornFly:
If so, what type?
[Nexus 6 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] qwerty12601:
Doubtful. With an amoled screen, they're probably going to implement some sort of active notifications. And if you look at the photos, there's nothing standing out on the bezels...
[Nexus 6 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] NextNexus:
Being that the notification LED is a requirement of the Nexus program (just like wireless charging) it will most certainly have one built in. The Nexus 5 also had no mention of the notification light on its spec page but alas, it did have it.
[Nexus 6 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] frigidazzi:
Dear god I hope so. I am not a fan of the moto x style of active display for notifications.
[Nexus 6 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] jawmail:
Man I hope so, it's the one thing about Samsung phones I love. I don't understand why more manufacturers don't do it like that.
[Nexus 6 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] frigidazzi:
All nexus before (except the nexus s) had had one. /crosses fingers
[Nexus 6 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] rapha.194:
I'd rather have notification LED.

I really enjoyed this feature on my old Moto Dual G.

Not like the screen used bike in moto x
[Nexus 6 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] jarlave:
what about this?

http://youtu.be/wk-PY2dBKaA?t=12s
[Nexus 6 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] frigidazzi:
That thing at the top? I assumed that was an ir blaster or something along those lines. But who knows. I think that would be an awkward place for a notification light. Bit it's better than nothing of that's what it is.
[Nexus 6 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Tidbits:
That looks like a sim tray to me...
[Nexus 6 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] qwerty12601:
Guess not ;)

http://www.phonedog.com/2014/10/20/...llphoneblog+(PhoneDog.com+Cell+Phone+articles)
[Nexus 6 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] brian117:
They were talking about this:

[IMG="nexus"]http://i.imgur.com/lPMdAIm.jpg[/IMG]

Not too sure on it. Might just be a minor design concept. The top of the phone will have the 3.5mm headphone jack and that little hole is indeed for the SIM tray slot much like the iPhone.

Oh man that would be awesome. Would really be a huge plus if it turned out that way.
[Nexus 6 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] NextNexus:
Pretty sure I was wrong. Using active notifications (or whatever it's called now) instead.
[Nexus 6 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] brian117:
What about a charging indicator? Would the Active Display/Ambient Display notify you of a full/charging battery?
[Nexus 6 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] dkotoric:
damn that sucks if true

Sent from my Note 4
[Nexus 6 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Tidbits:
I see. That doesn't look like that would be a notification light to me.
[Nexus 6 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Baldilocks:
That band? That's for signal reception.
[Nexus 6 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Tidbits:
That's exactly what I thought it was.
[Nexus 6 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] qwerty12601:
That's a break in the metal band around the phone. There's 2 at each corner, 8 total. Its how Motorola uses their software to redirect the antenna to parts of the phone that aren't being gripped, to avoid atennagate lol
[Nexus 6 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Ajseter:
Dude, tats sim tray

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Tat's the antenna for receiving signals
[Nexus 6 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] wtherrell:
Back in the day there was an app for that. It was called "NoLed". It used to work great. Don't know if it's still current or not. ICR whether I used on Fascinate or the Gnex.
[Nexus 6 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] RW-1:
Well, let's just hope, because I'd hate to have to stop using light flow :)
[Nexus 6 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] qwerty12601:
Something wrong with your H?
[Nexus 6 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] mehdi_s82:
I believe it does since moto X has it! It's build into the earpiece on top
[Nexus 6 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] bradputt:
But it's not turned on by default, you have to install tasker for it to work, if i read correctly.

I hope there's a notification light too, it's damn useful to monitor your charge level during charging
[Nexus 6 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] NexUsandThem:
It has been confirmed to not have a notification LED. I am truly upset. I have loved them since my old blackberry curve. If the active display pulsed occasionally then I am fine but if I have to pick the damn thing up every time this is a huge step back. WTF?:(
[Nexus 6 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] lude219:
I've officially crossed off the N6 due to this omission. What a big oversight to not include the notification light.
[Nexus 6 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] NexUsandThem:
Almost did the same. I still want the damn thing, but am truly puzzled as to why they removed it. The new notification system cant replace a notification LED it compliments it. Before I could look at my phone across the room and know who messaged me. Now I have to pick the damn thing up every time. Grrrr.

/rant

I hopefully love the phone for other reasons. I still have my One Plus One as a back up device.
[Nexus 6 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] frigidazzi:
This would probably be the only thing making be return it. I'm going to give it a shot though and see if any of the devs can work in a no led type app into kernel or something. I'll also give one of the notification apps a try and see how it is with amoled and only have it notify for texts, miss calls and not for stuff like email. We shall see how it all works out.
[Nexus 6 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] NexUsandThem:
Yeah with amoled you would have thought that google could have done a better job of the notification system. We'll see. Maybe I am just too resistant to change. ;)
[Nexus 6 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] wtherrell:
Developer of "Lightflow" has said he will look into doing an app for this.
[Nexus 6 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] gtalum:
Without havin gused it, I think you're jumping too quickly to criticize the notification system.

I can't say why, but I've never gotten in the habit of remembering to check my notification LED. I think that for me the Ambient Display notifications may be far more useful.
[Nexus 6 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] NexUsandThem:
You might be right, but if it needs to be picked up to see the notification, it defeats the purpose of a notification LED. I also like setting specific colors to different types of messages. Cyan for whatsapp, Green for voicemail, etc... I cannot see how the new system will be able to do any of that at a glance. I have to physically pick it up. I hope it turns out better than I think. I really do.
[Nexus 6 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] RW-1:
It's said if you nudge it, you get ambiant and notifications, basically the lockscreen in black/white, this would give you just as much, if not more info than having to wait out the LED to cycle.

Don't get me wrong, I like the LED on my GNex as well with LF, but before we all go all hate mode, why not at least go look at it and see first?

It's not a deal breaker for me.
[Nexus 6 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] lude219:
100% of what I have going right now on the note2. Light blue for VM/missed call, green for hangout/SMS/MMS, purple for viber..and of course charge lights (green, yellow and red).

It's easy to dismiss the functionality if you're not a power user, but to some of us who actually put the LED notification to good use, removing this is just downright stupid.
[Nexus 6 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] NexUsandThem:
I suppose if I am across the room I could throw something at the phone to see if a notification popped up. Since I usually have the phone on silent mode, the visual queue was quite nice. I hear what you are saying but it still cannot replace the LED. I have not canceled my order. I will most likely keep the device unless defective. I am just pissed at the guy/gal who, during the R&D, decided to axe the LED. Should have kept it there and disabled by default or something. Not like an LED is going to push the cost over the edge.
[Nexus 6 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] doitright:
Its problems like this that get me wondering if the FLASH can be turned down low enough to make like a notification light.... Even a monochrome blinker is better than nothing.

The fact is, however, that nobody can actually confirm the physical non-presence of some kind of notification LED -- behind a grill, or invisible behind the dark glass. Thus far, ALL recent motorola phones DO have an LED, they are just not active in software. As such, the only way to actually confirm the presence is to find it in either the kernel code, or by physically disassembling the phone.
[Nexus 6 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] A-Gon:
Can't believe I'm reading this nonsense. No notification LED and you're out? I've used the Moto X for a year and a half. All my past phones had LED notification lights. I cringed at the thought of being without. Active display has put all that to rest. It's really excellent. Ambient display is even better. Complete user interaction with notifications.

I know, I know, you absolutely have to have and see that stupid blinking light or life as you know it will end. Or, you may not feel as important as you do now if you don't have one. Look, not everyone can adapt to change, I get it. No SD card? Hello!!! Get the 64 gig, use the cloud, dropbox, google drive, wtf? It's the 21st century.

I am so looking forward to the ambient display, no LED/SD card top dog 64 gig N6 (actually 3 of them).
[Nexus 6 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] NexUsandThem:
To each their own bud. I am still getting the phone if you go back a couple of posts.
[Nexus 6 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] frigidazzi:
Ambient display and active display do not function the same in the sense it doesn't pulse often like the Moto x... That's why it's different. I'm still getting it, but I'll still be annoyed by lack of led.
[Nexus 6 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] wtherrell:
Does this have an app for turning on my coffee maker remotely? If not I'm sending it back as soon as possible.

Sorry, just a little grumpy today.
[Nexus 6 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] A-Gon:
Actually thats my point. You won't be not getting it when you do. Ha!!

With the X you have less control over what you see and when you see it. With Ambient you control more of what you see, when you see it. See, this is what I don't get. With the LED, you still have to at or near your phone, unless it's total darkness. All you know is that there is some sort of notification but you have no idea what. With Ambient you can see who and what.
[Nexus 6 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] doitright:
That may have been true of monochrome LEDs, but... blue light = email, green light = sms, etc.

The point you are missing is that the ambient/active/whatever display is NOT A REPLACEMENT for an LED, it is a SUPPLEMENT.

So something comes in... active display lights up for a moment, and goes off. Now you sit back down at your desk where you left your phone, and what do you see? Nothing. No display because it already did its thing, and no LED blinking at you to tell you that SOMETHING is going on that is worthy of bumping your phone to check exactly WHAT.
[Nexus 6 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] A-Gon:
Not missing much of anything. I am doing just fine without the annoying LED, thank you very much. I think you're over complicating things. Spend a few minutes watching this. You will then understand how Ambient display works.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5TyhaOjME5g
[Nexus 6 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] lude219:
We know how ambient display works.

Maybe you should educate yourself on how spectral LED works. You know it's not monochromatic right? You can assign DIFFERENT COLORS to different application notifications. We get it, ignorance is bliss...that's why you hate those "annoying LED" lol.
[Nexus 6 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] A-Gon:
I understand how colors are used for notifications on an LED. You know you can assign different application notifications for Active and Ambient display, right? Unfortunately you are one of the few dinosaurs left on the planet who believe having a colored little light flashing makes or breaks the notification process.
[Nexus 6 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Baldilocks:
I'm pretty sure you can make the screen pulse at certain intervals.
[Nexus 6 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] frigidazzi:
It's not adjustable.
[Nexus 6 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] cupfulloflol:
How often does the Ambient display flash? My notification LED flashes for about a second, off for 3 seconds. So I can look at my phone for about 5 seconds and know if I have a notification or not. Ambient Display doesn't seem to pulse that often in the few videos I have watched showcasing it.

How far away can you be from the device and still tell what sort of notification you have? Notification LED I can tell red from green from blue from white from whatever other colors I may use a good distance away (assuming the light travels that far haha). At what distance will the icons just become a white blob on a 6" screen? Even if they aren't a white blob, can you tell who the message is from at a decent distance? When I setup my notification LED, I color code things, I could give you a good idea what sort of notification I have, and who it is from just from the color and the amount of pulses.

On that note, how battery efficient is Ambient Display? Lighting up a portion of your display for a couple seconds every now and again seems to me like it would be much less efficient on the battery compared to a simple flashing colored light. This is probably the most concerning to me. According to the Play store, it drops like 25% of battery life in standby time with ambient display on vs ambient display off. While in normal usage it won't be that big, but I assume it will still have an effect on it.

Ambient Display has it's own benefits, but it isn't better than a notification LED in every way like you keep trying to say it is. Perhaps it is in your usage, but there are plenty of scenarios where the notification LED is superior. It is pretty and it is nifty, but from a pure functionality standpoint, it seems to be lacking a lot.

E2A: According to Droid Life, apparently pocket dialing is a potential issue with Ambient Display. Putting security on your lockscreen is a way to prevent it. So another potential downside of Ambient Display.
[Nexus 6 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] mariano3113:
So the Nexus 6 does indeed have the notification light hardware installed, but not being used by default. (Root access Light Flow)

Does this still mean sone of you will not acquite the devuce because it looks like Google is going in a different direction notification wise? (They seem to be pushing Notifications to Smart Watches or Ambient Notifications rather than LED lights.)

(On my Nexus 5 the standard setting for the LED does not let you know when phone is charged by the LED, but people were using apps to have that convenience.)
[Nexus 6 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] dalegg:
LED

There is one located in the speaker grill but you have to be rooted to make it work.
[Moto G General] MarckozZ:
So Android Lollipop is finally confirmed man!!!!!! Amazing!! Cant wait!!!!

Also confirmed n Motorola Forums!!! :good: :crying: :highfive: :p
[Moto G General] eddydc1:
Nice! I guess we can flash that on non-GPE?
[Moto G General] titotito1983:
Yes man you can! I did it last Saturday without any problem! here you have the link: with the tool to do it http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=2635706 , it takes only 3 min!

So happy that I did it! I cant wait to receive that "Update your system" notification.