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[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] TechBSwift:
This is an example of the responses I love and appreciate. Un bias feelings, just keep it real.

I agree with you I loveeeeeeedddd my note 3. I didn't use the spen often because I have a note 10.1 2014. The note 3 was a perfect phone for so many other reasons. Like you I have unlimited as well so I have to pay retail for phones. I enjoy flashing roms, kernels, xposed mods. To be honest without root + roms I wouldn't enjoy having my smartphone as much. I have an iphone 6 plus right now because I sold my Note 3 a couple a weeks ago to get a much as I could before the note 4 dropped. Although the Iphone 6 plus is really well built, and the software is super smooth (ios is always smooth real talk, expected because they control gpu, cpu, etc) I hate the iphone because it's so locked down.... Anyway, I haven't decide which phone I'm going to get, I really think it depends when the Note Edge drops. I would like to develop apps for the Edge, and see if I can make a little money while doing so. As for the size of the Nexus and the no sd card, if I get the Nexus I will get the 64gb model which is more than enough room. I hate that the battery can't be removed, but I read something crazy that stated the Nexus 6 can charge up to 65% in 15 minutes. If that's true, I wouldn't need a spare battery.

I think the deciding factor will be which one comes first, Note 4 with Root, or Nexus 6 released.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] Tempott:
Well the Note 4 will be mine in a weeks time and there is simply nothing else that has me remotely interested, including the Nexus 6. For me it's easy:

- the S Pen and all it's functionality, there's nothing like it.

- the display is simply amazing,

- the camera is the best in the biz,

- the SD Card and removable battery is a must. (No, cloud storage is nowhere near as convenient or fast as a 128GB of physical storage on my phone. Stop acting like data is unlimited for everyone. Or that free wifi is sufficient. What a complete joke of an argument to even make.)

- and multi-window is also huge for me.

Frankly, flashing ROMs is a thing of the past for me and many others now. All I need is root and my Xposed modules of choice. But for those going for the Nexus 6, enjoy. I'm sure it will a great device for you.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] Maduro78:
I read an article on pulse the vzw variant will have a different name if I remember correctly it will be called the moto S. When I read this I gave up hope for an unlocked device but who knows
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] Rickwilson688:
Storage size starts at 32gb.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] razortaz18:
Check out that width difference.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] AngelsPunishment:
Well if you had it and were dumb enough to let it go just to get into a 2 year contract then you kinda deserve your problems to begin with.:silly: Since I still have my unlimited data plan I can actually have a choice. Gonna get the 64GB Nexus 6 for $50 cheaper than my 32GB Note 4 would have been if I stuck with it and I got one of these for my 128GB SD card to hold movies and stuff for long road trips or plane rides, etc. 64GB+Unlimited data is more than enough already so the external microSD is just icing on the cake baby. (If you haven't done the math that's more storage than the Note 4 is capable of + stock android is less of a footprint than touchwiz covered android. The Note 4 has like 22GB free when you buy it.)
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] rushless:
See ya!

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Not me. My MP3, emulator roms and MAME leave me with 2GB free on my 128gb card.

Even without emu roms and MAME, the 64 model would not hold my apps and MP3s, so need the SD.

Why Samsung is not selling 64gb models now outside of Asia is a downer.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] raw2000j:
No SD card slot no thanks if they gonna sell a phone with no SD card card make it 128gb to match my card.Note 4 128gb+32gb vs Nexus 6 64gb hell keep it
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] oneandroidnut:
agreed
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] selayan:
So is there an actual Verizon version you need to select when we preorder? I'm on Verizon now with unlimited data. Or will we just pre order from the play store and it's one phone and you take it to any carrier?
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] hopesrequiem:
[QUaOTE=leyvatron;56055422]Drive, Dropbox, copy, box, flickr, etc..

I just hope they don't pull a 16gb with 10gb available.

Im still unsure which one I want. I wanted a bigger screen for the note 4 but I also want a spen.[/QUOTE]

That is why I had to return the second gen moto x. That was hardly a 16gb model. Last gen moto x had more memory initially. Great phone aside from lack of space. Couldn't get the 32 from best buy sadly
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] droidguy22:
There is no seperate Verizon model, it's only 1 model across all carriers.

Also Play store is updated with nexus 6 and Pre-orders will be available starting on 10/29:

https://play.google.com/store/devices/details/Nexus_6_64GB_Midnight_Blue?id=nexus_6_blue_64gb

Network shows all different bands which tells that 1 model across all carriers :good:

Network

2G/3G/4G LTE

GSM: 850/900/1800/1900 MHz

CDMA: Band Class: 0/1/10

WCDMA: Bands: 1/2/4/5/8

LTE: Bands: 2/3/4/5/7/12/13/17/25/26/29/41

CA DL: Bands: B2-B13, B2-B17, B2-29, B4-B5, B4-B13, B4-B17, B4-B29
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] selayan:
Yea that sounds good if it is one model and you just go where you please with it. That would be nice. I know the moto x makes you choose unlocked or Verizon/Sprint when you order so I wasn't sure if this would be the same.

Does anyone know what time the preorders start on the 29th?
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] droidguy22:
I think most likey 2am, based on Previous Nexus Pre orders
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] selayan:
Hmm I think you mean 2pm but I wonder if its eastern time or west coast time. I believe it would be eastern time. I have push bullet set up for notifications. I just don't want to miss it and if its 2pm est I'll be at work but I can at least order on my phone.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] droidguy22:
No, I meant it's 2am eastern.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] selayan:
Damn I guess I'll need to work from home that day. Hopefully we find out more info soon.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] mi7chy:
Even though I like the Note 4 coming from the Note 3 and Note II I'm leaning towards the Nexus 6 for the larger display which I was hoping the Note 4 would get. Things I'll be missing will be precision pen, split screen multitasking (maybe not since rumors say Android L will be getting this) and eye stay.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] guthrien:
I think the Ars Technica review nailed it...this is a boring update. It's a better Note 3. Which is great, but doesn't stand out much over this year where phones got a LOT better. If it wasn't going to be locked down I'd probably still do it. But I have to admit, I don't use the SPen like on my 10.1. It's not as good, or big enough for writing. I love having the sd card. The battery swapping didn't mean much. Most of the other Touchwiz stuff is lousy. The fingerprint scanner, heartbeat monitor, etc are wastes of time. I like my Note 3 a lot, I wish I could justify owning both out of greed. But to get in bed with Verizon for another contract year I'm going to try to hang on for the Nexus, which seems truly more interesting. I hope my pre-order doesn't overcome me. It totally could, and it's still an awesome piece of kit, I'm sure it would be sufficient if predictable.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] jmm22:
Serious question, why is the Note 4 just an update whereas the other phones on the market aren't? Further, what is more alluring about the Nexus 6 vs. the Note 4? The Nexus 6 seems like a big screen with no real features other than being a phone.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] Geronimo.USMC:
Motorola Nexus 6, Samsung Galaxy Note 4 compared in hands-on videohttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Fn8OnzDO5Y
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] mchief298:
Not really compared...just a run down. May have to cancel my order and wait and see when Verizon stocks the Nexus 6.

The removable battery is awesome for me, cuz then I can carry a spare.. But I'm rocking an M8 currently, so that isn't a key selling point.

Note 4 - Packed with features that sound awesome, but I'll never use aside from fingerprint scanner and S Pen.

Nexus 6 - Stock Google Experience. Assuming Verizon doesn't get stupid like with the Galaxy Nexus. We would get the latest and greatest android experience. Not much else though.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] Gareee:
The only feature I see desirable on the nexus us the front facing speakers. Spec wise, the note blows it away on every count, and for only $50 more on contract after the $200 trade in.

HD video files and hi res pic files are huge, and I really don't want to spend tons of time trying to either store them or retrieve them on cloud services.

The note can take up to a 128gb SD card, which means I can store entire TV seasons on it for on the go entertainment without having to use my data or rely on signal. I can store my huge music playlist without constantly having to shuffle files around, and the size is perfect..I've got a nexus 7 2013 tablet, and I'm tired of carrying two devices around with me.

For a basic phone the nexus looks fine, but I want more functionality, and the note looks like it'll not only deliver that, but has enough horsepower to be a worthwhile spare device to keep once it's past its two years.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] selayan:
I wouldn't buy either phone on a contract. Off contract prices for the note 4 are more expensive.

I could never see myself using touchwiz or the stylus, but at least some people make use of that stuff which is good.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] guthrien:
Spec wise the Note blows it away? I find the up to date, stock software the biggest feature win of all. Right in front of not being locked down like the Note 4 will be. I'd think those are huge features to many on XDA.

Again, I think the Note is solid. It's a better Note 3. I could very well pick up my pre-order and not feel cheated. We don't all have the same priorities for features.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] coastieET:
I love my G3, but i really miss S-Pen features... especially when browsing websites or trying to edit text. Sending a note to someone, etc. The ability to have basically a mouse with me is a feature I was really missing. I had the S5 which i gave to my wife and picked up the G3. Both great phones, but having owned so many phones over the years (Galaxy Nexus, Note II, G2, S4, Note 3, S5, G3) I found myself wishing I had kept my Note 3. I realized that all these phones are basically the same except for the Note series - Note actually improved my user experiance. While I always loved the Nexus program and got excited when I learned it was coming back to big red, I asked myself while signing up for pre-order info on the nex6 what is different from my G3? Bigger screen but no SD card and a stock Android UI. Basically a giant phone that does nothing more for me than larger screen size and "faster" updates on stock android. Goind Nex6 over N4 I would loose removable batt, expandable storage, S-Pen features (which you dont realize how great they are till you no longer have them) and a bunch of other little things. Do I like the touchwiz design? Not that much compared to stock android, but the features and capabilities of the N4 far outweight dual speakers and a giant screen with stock android (imo)

I have to agree with an earlier post, N4 rooted with a few tweaks is the best option between the N4 and nex6. IMO anyway. DL the lollipop keyboard on the N4, remove some bloatware, etc, pop in my SD card and good to go! :good:
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] ronaldheld:
If the N4 cannot be rooted after months the nexus more desirable?
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] coastieET:
Makes the Nex6 a little more enticing, but I have yet to see someone on XDA or another group fail at finding a way to root a Verizon Samsung phone.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] ronaldheld:
I am concerned due to articles I am reading about the unrootability of 5.0. I believe this phone can be eventually rooted under KK.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] coastieET:
Well you don't have to have DL the OTA 5.0 update whenever Samsung & Verizon release it. If you root 4.4 and decide you want 5.0 you can always flash a 5.0 ROM that'll likely come into being
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] cdmoore74:
Note 3 owner getting Note 4. Here is my story. A few months ago I had that urge to use CM, PA and stock so I got a 2013 Nexus 7 for cheap. Currently I’m using the Note 3 as my daily driver and my Nexus to experience the latest and greatest software at home and so far it’s been working great. My plan is to get the Note 4 and upgrade to the Nexus 9 when it hits the refurb bin for cheap.

I wasn’t planning on upgrading my Note 3 but when I saw Gear VR I feel in love with the idea. And after playing around with Lollipop on the Nexus 7 many of my apps are not supported which is understandable. But by the time the Note 4 receives Lollipop app compatibility should be better. I can’t have my favorites apps not working on my daily driver.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] droidguy22:
It looks like getting root on 4.4 itself is a big uncertain, even if root is achieved getting SS and flashing a 5.0 ROM is a pipe dream given the lack of dev support (Hashcode who did SS for Note 3 is gone https://plus.google.com/111109372727398356624/posts/AtoJ3xLj35b)

There is every possibility that Verizon/ATT Note 4 might not get root ever if Samsung updates with Android lollypop before root is achieved.

Even if you get root on 4.4, once you are on lollypop - forget about root since unlocked bootloader is required to maintain root on lollypop http://xdaforums.com/note-4-att/general/chainfire-comments-root-future-android-t2913189

Good luck guys.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] ronaldheld:
A solution is not to go to Lollipop on OTA but wait for a ROM if custom recovery can be made to work.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] droidguy22:
Even with custom recovery like SS you are struck with stock kernel, and stock kernel + lollypop = No Root.

Per Chainfire - "It is now thus more important than ever to buy unlocked devices if you want root." - https://plus.google.com/+Chainfire/posts/VxjfYJnZAXP
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] ronaldheld:
That is a valid point. Does that mean those who want root post Lollipop have to buy a Nexus?
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] Morphinity:
No, you just need to buy a phone that doesn't have a locked bootloader. On Verizon, that's a difficult task. On other carriers, not so much.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] selayan:
Assuming the nexus 6 has all bands as long as you buy it on play store it should have unlocked boot loader and useable on any carrier. Unless Verizon rejects it because you got it from the play store.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] droidguy22:
I doubt Verizon would reject a Play store Nexus 6, Google clearly showing Verizon name/logo on Play store Nexus 6 page and Google wouldn't do that without a clear agrement with Verizon:
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] selayan:
Yea you are right. But it could be like the moto x where you go to check out and it asks if you want the unlocked edition or the one for sprint/Verizon.

Seeing as there is only one SKU for north America I think we will be fine to go wherever we want with the phone.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] coastieET:
http://www.androidheadlines.com/2014/10/galaxy-note-4-developer-edition-verizon-pipeline.html

Root problem on Note 4 solved.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] agentxavier:
I pre-ordered the note 4. Going to sell this now and take advantage of that $200 rebate. Developer support on the nexus 6 is going to be unbelievable, that is impossible to turn down.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] guthrien:
That's the solution? I think I see the problem differently.

I'm going to pick up my pre-order tomorrow, because I'm weak, and I've gotten over my discomfort in returning a phone within 14 days. I do love my Note 3 (which I'm giving to a family member), and I want to see if a better camera and screen is enough to keep me satisfied for a while. The fact that it doesn't even sound like root is coming soon puts a major damper on usability. It takes away the full usefulness of the sdcard, which is a major feature to me. The Verge's preview just made the Nexus 6 seem better than ever, but I don't need perfection just a device I like to use every day. It's more fun to be on XDA with a phone you can flash, that's for sure. But the Note line has always been about having a great tech tool to me. If it's not hamstrung, it's as good as anything out there. I'm not much interested in an unsubsidized Note 4. Better to buy a Nexus 6 and swap my sim cards. That might be my real future.

edit: holy crap the $200 for any working smartphone trade in makes this an easier surrender. Nicely played, Samsung.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] azbobs:
Man hate the thought of changing now that I already ordered, screen protectors, cases, dam Verizon!!!!!

Will have to check the Samsung website to see what your talking about, the $200 trade in and how long that is for. Better to lose a few bucks then be stuck with a boat anchor that cannot be rooted! Will check and see how long we all have to exchange or phones, never had to do this. My S3 they broke root in a few weeks, think that was before this knox crap!!!!!
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] coastieET:
Best buy will take any working smartphone and give you $200 gift card (most use it towards purchase of note 4) This offer is good until Nov. 1st. You must be eligible for upgrade to qualify.

Samsung was offering $200 also but that was for Note 4 Preorder only, fulfilled by Samsung via mail in rebate.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] Mmmjj123:
This is precisely why i got the note 4. I did a "should i wait for the nexus 6" analysis and ended up choosing the note

Sent from my Note 4
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] crash613:
No way! Give up my new 128gb micro SD card for a nexus? I think not!
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] mjlewis0102:
+1 :D
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] hacksaw999:
I'm right there with you brother. I'm still using my GNex. It's been a great phone for me but I'm at the point where I'm really wanting / needing to move up. Particularly for the improved camera and screen.

The thing is I absolutely refuse to give up root. I've had two Android phones (OG Droid and the Gnex) and both were rooted within 30 minutes of purchase.

Right now I'm thinking the best way for me to go would be to pick up the Developer's Edition of the Note 4. With it's unlocked bootloader it can't be that difficult to get root (I hope) even if the DE doesn't get much in the way of custom ROMs.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] jmacdonald19:
Do they make a 128 GB Nexus 6? I really carry around a ton of music (including wav files, I'm a recording musician) and movies. I liked my Nexus 5 but not having that storage option was a deal breaker for me.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] fletch33:
no and this has been a major issue with me and Motorola products since the X was released and they dropped the SD card. i dont always need the space but i dont like to worry about it and i often use my phone as my USB stick alternative.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] droid fetish:
Nexus 6

How's that Nexus 6 working out for ya?
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] rexxcastle:
Bye /waves
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] mwebb34:
I called Verizon rep and asked them about the nexus 6 and they said they didn't know when they would be getting it.

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I used to have the HTC onemax and about 2 weeks ago I edged up and got the note 4 I keep the note 4 for about a week because I was afraid I'd be stuck with a device that's never gonna get root, so I took it back and got the LG g3 I like this phone, I wish I had gotten the note 3 wonder if I could take this lg g3 back and switch to the note 3. I must be able to have root. This will make the 2nd time I have switched devices if it's allowed. I'm in limbo between the note 3 and the note 4
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] :
They won't let you edge up until you pay at least half the phone off. If you didn't already trade it in for the G3 I would say you had the 14 day return policy but you used that already so your stuck.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] mwebb34:
I already edged up I had the onemax I edged up to the note 4 then I took it back and got the g3. I called Verizon to and asked them if I could switch again, and she said I could 1 more time, now if she knows what she's talkin about I don't know, but I hope she's right.

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You're right. I just got conformation. Looks like I'm gonna be stuck with the g3, its all good its not a bad phone, if I wanna another I'll just buy it outright.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] prerunnerseth:
I was completely set on the nexus 6, but ended up going with the note 4 because i got a Gear S. Gear S + Note 4 > Nexus 6.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] fletch33:
i havent made a purchase yet because N6 doesnt have the tablet and Sammy exclusive features i like but the N4 doesnt have the root i like.

i am still looking at both of these and at some point i will jump.

i like reading what others have to say here as i decide.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] oneandroidnut:
note 4 developer edition win win
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] mademan420:
Looks like being on the bleeding edge of tech isnt always a good thing....

http://www.androidpolice.com/2014/1...-suffers-the-longer-you-go-without-a-restart/

http://www.droid-life.com/2014/11/2...-blame-the-encryption-that-you-cant-turn-off/
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] GirLuvsDroid:
The Note 4 Developer Edition is now back in stock (for a very limited time, I'm sure) http://www.samsung.com/us/mobile/cell-phones/SM-N910VMKEVZW. I got mine at the end of October, before they went out of stock the first time. I'm rooted and using a 128 GB SDXC. I love this device so much! It's better than my rooted Note 3 in every way (at least, once I got used to the slightly different button configuration).
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] MiuKing:
I don't actually see an option to buy the nexus 6 on Verizon website. Talked to a few representatives and nobody has heard anything about the nexus 6 coming to Verizon...

So where can someone purchase the nexus 6?
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] Chuckleb0ne:
Only the play store. You will have to buy it full retail price. And then once you have the device in your hands, you will need to have a vzw nano sim card available to get it to work with Verizon's network. But there is a problem at the moment, since Verizon doesn't carry the device yet, you cannot walk into a Verizon store and have them activate the device. You will have to do that yourself so it doesnt mess up your phone.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] tfly212:
And you won't get simultaneous voice and data until (or if) the device gets upgraded to VoLTE.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] MiuKing:
Oh god... I did not know that they don't support simultaneous voice and data... Is that for the Nexus 6 on Verizon only or the entire Nexus line?:eek:
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] tfly212:
It is all the "new" phones other than Samsung. The new devices (Turbo, Xperia Z3V, etc) won't have simultaneous voice and data until they get the software upgrade to VoLTE. It's coming, but I have heard all sorts of estimates as to when...weeks, a month or two...who knows. My biggest hesitation about getting the Nexus 6 to use on Verizon is that there has been no official Verizon announcement for support of that device, and it is possible that it might never get the VoLTE software (remote chance but possible). If it officially comes out on VZW, no worries, I am sure it will get the VoLTE update...and maybe even if it doesn't a dev can figure out how to make it work but that's a risk.