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[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] Fu5ion:
Exactly, which further validates what I found
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] Jaocagomez:
as i stated before, droid turbo shares hardware with nexus 6, i hope if they found root or exploits in one phone will work in the other one, i hope.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] prdog1:
Good luck. Most exploits are at firmware/software level. They don't normally exploit the hardware although it has been done to gain access to the firmware (ie sd slot or board test pins). This is like comparing apples to oranges. One is KitKat and other is Lollipop. Pretty sure 2 totally different animals as far as exploits will be concerned. For now it will be closer to Moto X 4.4. Once it moves to lollipop may not be able to root at all unless bootloader is unlocked or can patch kernel on the fly. Unless they lock down the Nexus no one will be looking for exploit as it will not need one. Best shot at unlock is if JCase has been holding the Moto X 4.4 exploit till this device was released. Don't recommend taking Lollipop update till we see what happens. :cool:
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] fury683:
0.8mm thicker and 7 grams (0.2oz) heavier.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] pjd2011:
Amen. I'll gladly dish out the $25 for this device to be unlocked. I was one of the lucky 50 or so people who got the HTC One M7 on launch day and unlocked the bootloader on HTC Dev before Verizon/HTC found out and shut it down.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] fury683:
Yeah I'm waiting to buy until an unlock is available either through Jcase or another Chinese middleman. Is he still doing other Moto devices these days?
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] cbrehob:
If it gets a bootloader unlocker I'm all in, my S5 will go up on Ebay.

This phone has by far the best specs out, too bad it can't be the Nexus 6 instead.

With that being said, what are the chances this phone makes it onto the Moto Maker site under another name?
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] prdog1:
Not sure about MotoMaker but another version rumored to going to other carriers under another name. :cool:
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] pjd2011:
The MiddleMan did my prepay Moto G's bootloader back in May. Not sure but it was a pretty easy transaction. Maybe a two day turnaround at best.

The problem with waiting is that once the phone gets Lollipop it will be exponentially harder to unlock through Jcase. Middleman I would think wouldn't be affected since he gets the official Motorola bootloader unlock code.

It's also of note...Jcase is $25 and doesn't require MEID to be given out....Middleman is $45 and results in you giving your MEID to who knows who in China.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] lioryte:
????

adb reboot bootloader

fastboot oem unlock
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] fury683:
You need a unique code from Motorola. As with the Moto X, Verizon and AT&T users could not obtain said code.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] pjd2011:
This code is what the Middleman provides.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] Fu5ion:
Between SunShine from jcase and beaups, and the chinese middleman, I'm pretty confident that this device will achieve an unlocked bootloader somehow. I have a strong feeling that once jcase and beaups decide to release v3.0, it'll be workable on the Turbo. Looking at their website, it says it currently works for 4.4.3 and earlier, and "some 4.4.4 devices". It also says that those on Verizon 4.4.4 will have to wait for v3.0, which leads me to believe they already have a workable exploit (just from the degree of confidence in their tone), and are just waiting until the rest of the 2014 devices drop so that those holes are not plugged. And if not, the Middleman will probably have the codes, I just don't like sending my MEID to god-knows-who in China if I can avoid it.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] jaben2:
Well here is to hoping you are right. Just jumping back onto a moto device since the original Droid x. Which I think never did get a unlocked Bootloader.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] pjd2011:
That was back with a much different Motorola than it is now, though. I have faith.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] Jaocagomez:
you are absolutley right, i forgot about the ''lollipop against-root'' issue in android 5, time will tell.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] fury683:
I guess we'll find out tomorrow. I have to imagine someone will try Sunshine on it. From what I read on their site, you can try it and it will tell you if it will work or not. And any leaked codes from China will pop up pretty quickly, I'm guessing. I would do that again if I had to, if Sunshine or some other method doesn't work.

As others said, waiting to buy might be tough if 5.0 comes out quickly, they could start shipping with 5.0, which would further complicate things. Lots of unknowns...
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] Fu5ion:
The nice thing is that if we can get an exploit before updating to Lollipop, we can just build our own from source with SELinux disabled and flash it manually, thus circumventing the issue. The only problem that would still remain would be if people bought the device after all of the available stock had been updated to 5.0, and it shipped that way.

I'd doubt the current version of SunShine will work, as I don't think it works for any VZW devices on 4.4.4. HOWEVER, jcase has sounded pretty confident that v3.0 of SunShine will be able to nail most Moto devices on VZW and 4.4.4
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] pjd2011:
To shift this conversation a bit, what are you looking to do with root?

Personally I don't want to leave stock firmware since I love the extra Moto features. First I'd remove all the bloat. Next I'd change the DPI to something more appealing. We have this crazy resolution and no extra real estate than any 720p device.

Next would be some soft mods like moving the clock to the center and the battery percentage in the battery from CM.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] fury683:
For me it is Xposed and Gravity Box. Like you said, simple mods (I turn off AM/PM, change battery icon, show date next to clock, etc). I also use a lot of automation with Tasker (some shell commands require root, also need root to kill apps via Tasker).
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] jfriend33:
Xposed framework modules, greenify, Tasker, and one power guard are all a must

Sent from my unlocked consumer edition Motorola Droid Maxx xt1080m.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] AndyMan386:
I apologize for my ignorance. I have a Galaxy S3 that I have rooted/unlocked bootloader. I flash nightly CM files now and then, used to flash more like radios and kernals, but not much anymore.

I am fairly unfamiliar with the "SunShine", but is what I am reading making it sound as if we might have a better chance of being unlocked because we would be on 4.4.4 rather than on 5.0 (which should be more secure)?

I think I am in the boat of people that want a Nexus 6 but thinks its too big. I want to always be able to flash the newest builds without waiting the many months for the big V to push it out to us. At this point I dont see any "need" to overclock or anything like that anymore.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] grin0048:
From what I gather, it sounds like in 5.0 it may not be possible to achieve root without an unlocked bootloader. I haven't seen any suggestion that the likelihood of getting the bootloader unlocked would be any different between 4.4 and 5.0. That was my understanding of what I had read, but it could be wrong.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] prdog1:
Most of the unlock exploits require at least temporary root. 5.0 could make it more difficult than it already is. :cool:
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] Cowbell_Guy:
The only reason I want root is so I can WiFi tether
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] LifeAsADroid:
With root I can:

- Use TiBu and pull app backup files from the cloud for an all-at-once installation of all backed up apps from old phone to new phone

- Use Xposed Framework, of which I use somewhere in the vacinity of 50-75 modules/apps to customize the phone setup and look/function how I want it

- Hack the stock VZW WiFi tether app

- Delete the ridiculous bloatware

With an unlocked bootloader:

- Rooting is never a problem, regardless of ROM updates

- Running custom ROMs is possible (though I've always stuck to the stock versions)

- Installing a custom recovery for making nandroid backups is possible

I've lived a good life with my unlocked and rooted Droid RAZR HD, but alas, that phone is a dinosaur and not able to pull its weight anymore, especially with the latest junk software update Motorola pushed out. Here's to hoping at least a rooted phone happens by the end of the weekend, with unlocking capability happening soon after.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] joshm.1219:
50 enabled modules though? How much do they overlap in terms of functionality?
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] LifeAsADroid:
Minimal if at all. The larger modules (gravitybox, xblast, etc.) I use for specific parts of each module to combine actions of smaller single-action modules into one, and only use the "overlapping functions" in one of the modules so each one doesn't interfere with the others. Other modules work in conjunction (NFC LockscreenOffEnabler and Disable NFC EmptyTag Message) and support each other. Others have a single simple function not offered by any other module (Lion Tamer, Pandora Patcher, Songza Patcher, Untoaster Xposed, Live Icons, SwipeBack, Xposed Additions, Screen Filter, YouTube AdAway, ). I'd give you the complete list, but like I said before, it's rather lengthy and I don't have the time to type them all out.

The nice thing about getting the Turbo is I'll be able to eliminate a few of the modules for Motorola's stock apps (AcDisplay and hopefully Disable NFC EmptyTag Message if the Turbo allows for writing to tags, for example).

EDIT: Just counted for you - total of 44 modules active.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] smooth781:
Well this is what I hope. I hope when I got the store in the morning, they have the 64 gig Turbo. I hope that if someone much smarter in this then me finds a way to root and unlock the bootloader. I hope they take all there work underground more and charge a price for all the work they put into it. I hope they make a ton at it. I hope no one thinks someone should just give it away for free. I hope I can get my ass to bed soon so I can be at the Verizon store at 10. and last but not least I hope others feel the same way.

Thanks
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] jaben2:
I agree with basically all of the above. However the only difference for me is, I will be at work in a few hours so I ordered online the 64gb turbo to be delivered on Friday.

Here's to hoping on the rest though
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] fury683:
Same here. I think the Sunshine method is much more beneficial for everyone in the long run than a bounty. I can't pull the trigger until an unlock method is available, though..
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] NegativeOne:
[MENTION=3351823]fury683[/MENTION] - same. The wait begins.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] grin0048:
Yeah, I just can't do it either. I'll probably get impatient and just get a Nexus 6 at some point...
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] LifeAsADroid:
well if jcase and the sunshine crew want their 25 bones from those of us wanting/needing an unlock for this phone, they'll fix sunshine to work on the 4.4.4 VZW droids soon before we bounce over to the Nexus 6.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] fury683:
Has anyone tried Sunshine yet? I know it's a brand new device, but the site for Sunshine says it works on "some 4.4.4 devices". Can't hurt to try, right?
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] Fu5ion:
Yeah but in practice, it's the Verizon 4.4.4 devices that seem to be an issue
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] y0himba:
I rooted my Droid Razr Maxx HD, but then went back to stock. I found that the phone is nice enough without root. Hopefully this will be the same, however if it does become rootable, I may just have to do it, because, you know, REASONS and stuff. :)
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] cpufrost:
Adfree/Adblock is the chief reason for me.

The Xposed framework is nice for centered clock, etc. CIRCLE BATTERY MODS w/COLOR!

And of course backing up with Ti!

Have tethering with shared data plan so no need for that but root would provide access.

DPI changes are nice but hmmm someone's going to say it, looks great at 320 dpi! They must have 20/1 vision LMAO!
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] SREEPRAJAY:
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[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] AndyMan386:
Sounds as if SunShine has no intentions of trying to get this rooted/unlocked.. :(
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] OakyTree:
What makes you think that? They've said 3.0 for verizon and current OS version.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] AndyMan386:
Quote:

Originally Posted by jcase

3.0 is ONLY addressing HTC devices at this time, we have no plans, at this time, to include Motorola for technical reasons
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] OakyTree:
Oh :crying:
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] joshm.1219:
Sounds like a pretty sweet set up! Thanks for sharing.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] AndyMan386:
I read that about 30 mins after buying the phone at retail....

Doesnt mean someone else isnt trying to crack it, but that he isnt working on it now...
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] OakyTree:
Man that sucks, I really hate my current phone but there's no way I'm getting stuck with a device with no unlockable bootloader.

If I didn't want an unlockable bootloader I'd have bought the S5 months ago.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] liquidthc:
Remove bloat, add xposed, tether, and adaway.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] sokrboot:
For Verizon customers your best bet for an unlocked bootloader is either Motorola or HTC.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] LifeAsADroid:
In the off chance that Sunshine does work on the current version, has anyone with a Turbo actually tried it yet? From what I've been reading, there is already a patch/update available for the Turbo... maybe there is a gap somewhere that Sunshine exploits in its current out-of-the-box version.

Asking anyone with a Turbo, please give Sunshine a shot. You don't pay if it doesn't work, and you might pleasantly and surprisingly hit us with some good news.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] LifeAsADroid:
Thanks my man! The setup is the main reason I "need" an unlocked bootloader, lol. I've grown too accustomed to modifying the system and appearance to how I want it.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] wrecklesswun:
tried sunshine, no go on droid turbo
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] OakyTree:
How'd you get root?
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] amebiasis:
Just curious has anyone tried Towelroot?
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] lioryte:
Mainly. for those of us with unlimited data, so we can wifi tether.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] LifeAsADroid:
THIS
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] BladeRunner:
towelroot is a no go
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] tomkins0752:
Root would be killer, though I only use it for a few apps (App Ops) and to tweak the build prop.

I also like to snoop around for things Verizon hid from us.

Like some sort of sick treasure hunt.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] CrazyRussianXDA:
Can you please link the source??
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] 123421342:
I'm pretty sure he said 3.0 is NOT for motorolla devices. By pretty sure I mean he said that verbatim. Who knows though, maybe it will work just because. :confused:
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] fury683:
http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=56394001&postcount=8
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] Lw00d:
what a bummer, sunshine 3.0 will not support moto phones..
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] jfriend33:
Joy. And I'm pretty sure someone said verizon was not getting any more Motorola dev editions.

Guys let's be thankful we at least have the note 4 and nexus 6 as options for great phones....

I'm sure there's still a chance we may get root... Until then I'm not buying a turbo....

Sent from my unlocked consumer edition Motorola Droid Maxx xt1080m.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] 123421342:
I really think that we will at least get a "temp" root kind of thing and that is good enough for me... for now :(

The turbo is stock enough that it won't bother me that much for a bit
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] AndroidFanMan:
While I want root and an unlocked bootloader, this device is "vanilla" enough to keep me happy for long enough.

There is still hope for the Chinese Middleman, right? You can use get_unlock_data still, so at least there might be hope.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] 123421342:
What do you mean by get unlock data? It's verizon so I am 100% sure motorolla official unlock is blocked.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] AndroidFanMan:
I simply meant to get the unlock string you would need to provide to the Middleman to get the unlock code. Fastboot still supports the string, so that's what I meant for there being hope.

Motorola official is definitely not happening thanks to Big Red.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] 123421342:
Yeah you can still do that . Do you know where to get the unlock?
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] Fu5ion:
There's a guy in China that will supply you with your unlock code for $45 if you send him your MEID and the string from get_unlock_data, however we don't know yet if he's able to get codes for the turbo.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] 123421342:
That's sweet do you have a link or something?
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] AndyMan386:
I have read things on here about these chinese middlemans that can help, no clue what it means, or why your MEID matters. Who wants to quickly fill me in
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] y0himba:
Call me a part of the tinfoil hat group, but yeah, I'll wait before sending any information to China.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] ScottIsMyName:
To put it in simple terms, he has the "black box". You put your MEID in his black box, and out comes the unlock code unique to your phone. Without the MEID, you cannot get the code.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] 123421342:
Where is the guy doing it?
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] suboff:
Towelroot

Anybody try this yet? Doesn't unlock the bootloader but works like a charm.

towelrootdotcom
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] 123421342:
Try it who knows
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] BladeRunner:
you get "device unsupported" it's for 4.4.3 and below.

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I haven't seen any indication that he is providing unlock codes for the Turbo yet.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] chriskader:
Link to a site or forum post? Even a PM where I can contact the MiddleMan. Starting to sound like The Merovingin.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] PerCompLLC:
Agreed. It would be much more convincing if we had some more info to go on. I too am extremely interested in the viability of this approach...
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] jal3223:
I think he has went missing again (after reading the last thread in the Moto X). It seems he did this in the past and then popped up again when he had new codes. He never responds to normal emails either. You just send your information and he sends a code. No small talk or explanation of things at all. Go check out the middle man thread on the 2013 Moto X forum. The OP has an FAQ of sorts as well.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] Dalast:
Software Status

Settings -> About Phone -> Status -> "Software status Official"

Interesting, don't remember the official thing from my last phone or others phones. Does S5 have the official status field?

Also says "Assembled on 9/28/14". Anyone got an earlier date?
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] bschrib:
I'm assembled 10/5/14.. wonder what the earliest, most recent are..
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] BladeRunner:
my 64gb was assembled on 9/26/14

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It will probably show up here first: http://bbs.ihei5.com/forum-232-1.html
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] PerCompLLC:
Mine as well...
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] NV43:
My 64GB is showing assembled 10/9/14
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] Character Zero:
64gb

9/27/14
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] lioryte:
Chinese middle man, can only do moto x 2013/ultra/maxx/mini from the first half of 2013. While his method is verified by hundreds, He doesn't have unlimited access to the moto database. In all likelihood, Dan Rosenberg bootloader exploits was patched at 4.4. Moto is forced to lock the bootloader as requested by vzw. It'll be a long time- (prob. Never) before we see a bootloader unlocked. Buying this phone, monster specs and all in hoping for a moto database leak is unrealistic. If you must have an unlocked b/l on Verizon go with the Nexus as it's super easy to lock or unlock it
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] ryantrax:
My 32GB was assembled on 9/12/2014.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] cenobite138:
Same here
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] -Michael_:
64gb - 9/28/2014
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] johnpmurphy13:
You can have the multi tasking button double as a long press menu button. There is an option for it in the setting and after I made the change it has been very convienent.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] pjd2011:
My 64gb was assembled on 10/09 as well. Software was 10/10.

I'm still guessing we'll have root and an unlocked bootloader within a reasonable amount of time. The Moto X 2014 is in the same boat.

I reached out to the Middleman on 10/29 and still haven't received a response as well as other in the forum. I'm hoping he can get us unlocked. He unlocked my Moto G for me a few months back and it was very painless.

Just keep rejected software updates and Lollipop if it takes that long.... 4.4.4 is our best shot.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] fury683:
With a code, the version shouldn't matter, right?
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] 123421342:
I don't think it will be unlocked tbh. Motorlla has been notoriously hard to crack and the sunshine devs are focusing on HTC for now. It is particularly bad that the turbo is a verizon exclusive so I do not think there will be a lot of development (or good development) for it. Even if I am wrong, this will all take months, if at all, and I don't want to wait. I am returning my turbo for a G3 which at least has a fake unlock and roms to flash. As the adage goes: If you want root, don't get a locked phone from Verizon. Especially verizon + motorolla. I swear HTC leaves holes open on purpose because they wan't us to have s-off.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] pjd2011:
Yeah, I was extremely happy with my One (M7) and Droid Incredible with them. Easy to mod and even more rom support than my GNEX had which is saying something.

As stock as the software is I will be incredibly happy with 'just' root. I don't want to lose the Moto software suite.
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] 123421342:
Me too. However without an unlock and the system partition being read only the only root we would get, I'm guessing, is one like pie for the Verizon motog which was great but unstable and caused my phone to reboot a lot. I just don't want to go through that hassle. This is assuming there is anyone working on an exploit for this phone and jcase probably isn't unless someone sends him one.

edit: Just realized the G3 has a snapdragon 801... that is disappointing
[Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo General] bwheelies:
Correct.