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[Nexus 6  General] cb474:
First of all, I agreed with you right off the bat that the 2nd Gen Moto X is a potentially good alternative to the Nexus 6, so I'm not quite sure why you're reacting in the way you do to my post.

Secondly, in your response you are talking about what you care about and your prefences, but in the post I was responding to you were recommending the 2nd Gen Moto X to someone else and an alternative to the Nexus 6 and portraying the two phones as fairly equivalent. Amongst other things you wrote, "it is every bit as good as a Nexus, better even IMO." So this certainly conveyed the impression that you believe the two phones are pretty close to each other and if anything the 2nd Gen Moto X is better.

Since you were recommending the 2nd Gen Moto X to someone else as an alternative to the Nexus 6, I thought it would be useful to point out that there are some real differences between the phones. You may not care about the camera, but a lot of people do. You may not care about the specs, but a lot of people do. You may not care about development and custom ROMs, but a lot of people do (and in that area the two phones are nowhere close to equivalent, they are polar opposites).

So I simply thought for other people weighing the two phones against each other, having some clarity about the differences and letting them judge for themselvs how important these things are, would be useful.
[Nexus 6  General] Ace42:
Not a fan of the price, I was really hoping it would be the same price range as the N4 and N5.
[Nexus 6  General] oneplus:
He does that everywhere he goes. Talks about how moto x sucks specs wise, then writes 2 pages trying to convince himself that the moto x is not that bad afterall :D

Sent from my One A0001
[Nexus 6  General] _MetalHead_:
I wasn't reacting negatively, so if I came across that way I sincerely apologize. I was just further explaining my standpoint in regards to the Moto X and the Nexus 6. And I totally agree with you that what may or may not matter to some, may or may not matter to others- I was just stating my personal opinion. Again, I apologize if my post came across as anything other than friendly discourse.

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What is your problem with me? From the very first time you quoted one of my posts you've been on my ****. If you don't like what I type, don't read it. Am I not allowed to type a response longer than one sentence? Or maybe it's just that you have a hard time computing anything over 10 words. Whatever the case, quit acting like a little pissant.
[Nexus 6  General] cb474:
No worries. Thanks for the clarification.
[Nexus 6  General] SurlyGnex:
I suspect you are confusing two of my ideas as a singular post directed at you personally.

One post/thought was a sarcastic jab at whiners, which in my opinion is a small but vocal group in the online community. I intentionally worded that part with an entitled attitude to point out the absurdity of the way whiners express their complaints. It was in no way directed at you, which is why I didn't quote you in that part. I wasn't saying you are a whiner.

The other was a serious response to your post, which had nothing to do with the sarcastic part, other than to say there is a good way and a bad way to express these complaints. For example, a perfectly valid, unobjectionable complaint would be, "I think I'll pass on the Nexus 6. It's a little too big for my taste." In contrast, a whiny complaint might read, "Google really effed up! No one wants a 6-inch Nexus phablet!" as if their preferences apply to everyone.

I quoted your post and responded as a way of supporting CrashTestDroid's feelings towards whiners, not necessarily towards you. I haven't even read your complaints with the Nexus 6. If they are whiny, my first post is directed at you. If you've been rational about expressing your dislikes with the phablet, then it wasn't, and I don't understand your issue with my sarcastic post. I hope that clears things up for you.
[Nexus 6  General] MarkGbe:
I chose godzilla. Seriously though, i've used the iphone 6+ and it's not bad for me. The $650 price tag is on par with other flagship phones. The moto x2 is $550, what's another $100?
[Nexus 6  General] Wbroshea:
I suspect you didn't understand my original point. This statement alone conflicts with your second post: "People complaining about the price only show they lack perspective." I could care less about your attempt at humor, which seems to be what you were referring to as us being confused by. Claiming any who complain about price lack perspective (in a negative connotation) when really you mean that in your opinion your perspective on price and relative worth of an object is correct, might be a text book definition of a self righteous attitude.

If you would really like to discuss why I dislike the price then we can, but don't pretend that you are open to non-whiners when you really just don't want to hear any counter arguments to your position.
[Nexus 6  General] cb474:
Yes, I understood that the first part of your post was not a response to me. I had no confusion about that and think it was pretty obvious to anyone looking at your post. I don't think you understood my post, however.

My point is:

1) In the second part of your post, where you are responding to me, you make an appeal to people expressing themselves in a rational, adult manner, rather than a self-righteous childish manner. But this immediately follows the first part of your post (which was not directed at me) in which you express yourself in self-righteous childish manner. Even as a satire of the posts you don't like, that first part of your post was still pretty self-righteous, childish, and not containing a very rational argument.

So it really undermines your comments to me and just makes your post seem hypocritical, to do the very thing in the first part of your post that you critique in the second part. Also, as Wbroshea says, it comes across like you are calm and reasonable with people who agree with you and self-righteous and obnoxious with people who do not agree with you. If this isn't your intention, then I think you have really failed to communicate it. As you say in your initial reply to me: "I'm all for differing opinions. It's how you express them that matters."

2) In your response to me, you were basically (and strangely) giving me an lecture about being reasonable and adult, because I was pointing out to CrashTestDroid that his post about supposed "whiners" was self-righteous and childish in exactly the manner you describe. CrashTestDroid might have had a non-self-righteous point about people who complain about the size of phones, but he expressed his point in a self-righteous, non-adult, generally obnoxious manner. Indeed, he expressed it in a whiney manner: "Sick of the baby-handed whiners beaking off about OPO, Notes and now the Nexus 6." Any statement that begins with "sick of" is pretty much the definition of whining.

So you are now saying that you are defending a self-righteous whiney post from CrashTestDroid (that you happen to agree with), by calling for adult, rational, non-self-righteous posts from the person (me) who was pointing out the self-righteous, non-adult nature of the post you defend. That seems pretty irrational and self-righteous.

In this way, it was just the general complete self-contradiction of your comments that I (and before me Wbroshea) were pointing out. If you don't like self-righteous, irrational, whiney, childish posts, then you need to be against them even when they express an opinion you agree with. And you need to not lecture the people making reasonable, adult posts, about the virtues of reasonableness, just because they point out the self-righteous obnoxiousness of posts that contain an opinion you happen to agree with. And you need to find a way to make the point, while not yourself being self-righteous and irrational.
[Nexus 6  General] donnyp1:
Neither bother me, but the back and forth bickering in this thread is hilarious! Rock on dudes!
[Nexus 6  General] cb474:
I guess it is hopeless to appeal for more civility, as this post demonstrates.
[Nexus 6  General] donnyp1:
My one line posts suggests all of that? Your giving me too much credit, but thanks anyways
[Nexus 6  General] force70:
I do believe you are correct sir,it is pretty hopeless.

However it is somewhat amusing you have to admit, the silliness of it all.

im amazed the thread hasnt been closed yet.

some people get so worked up about such trivial matters..i cant help but laugh at it sometimes myself.

sent from Canada via my Note 4, 3, 2 or One X+
[Nexus 6  General] cb474:
People in a thread are having a somewhat pointed disagreement about the tone of some posts. So you chime in to add nothing either to the topic of the thread or the discussion at hand, but just to encourage people to keep "bickering," in your words. In other words, you are just explicitly trying to stir up the pot. That's pretty much the definition of trolling, though you did it in a fairly lightweight manner that most people would probably not perceive as trolling. Maybe we need a milder term like trilling. Why shouldn't that comment, on the heels of an attempt at a somewhat more serious conversation about the tone of posts inspire hopelessness? It's precisely the flip and pointlessness of your post, repeating the very thing other people are critiquing, that makes it particularly obnoxious.

All I did was respond to someone complaining about "whiners" (his words), who don't like the size of the Nexus 6 and other large phones, and insisting there's nothing wrong with them--in order to point out that this is his personal preference and it ought to be comprehensible that some people don't like large phones and not insipre so many obnoxious posts (as it has in this thread). In response to that someone else lectures me about adult reasonable posts and defends the sarcastic not-very-adult post I was responding to (which really made no sense). So I tried to explain myself better to that person.

I don't calling that getting worked up. It's just an attempt at clear, detailed explanation.

What amazes me is that this only inspires more flip obnoxious posts from people, as well as defenses of flip obnoxious posts. In the end, I'm not really suprised, but it is disheartening and frustrating to have threads cluttered up with endless one-liner flip posts that add nothing. I think probably half of the posts in this forum and others qualify. A lot of people seem to need to just comment on everything, with short off the cuff posts, for no apparent purpose other than their smug self-satisfaction (a very high post count is often a sign of this sort of poster). It just gets tiresome and sometimes I push back (though again, I acknowledge it is no doubt a quixotic and hopeless endeavor, for which I'm usually rewarded with more flip obnoxious posts).
[Nexus 6  General] donnyp1:
OK, how about this. No one, not a single person has had this phone in their hand, but people are complaining and comparing about something they have never touched. Nothing at all wrong with my post considering all the complaining of this and that all over these (multiple) threads. I personally think XDA shouldn't even have a nexus 6 forum till its available, but that is my opinion, I'm entitled to it. Having no forums would eliminate all the speculation, whining, complaining, and bickering amongst each other. Its a waste of space, but continue your bickering. I'm just going to sit back and continue to find it hilarious.
[Nexus 6  General] zxyz:
Idk I was kinda on the fence about the size thing because I thought I wouldn't like the size of the N5 but I've adapted and I love it. Haven't tried a phablet before. Then I saw this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EynkwkrhDyQ

and I realllly can't help but notice just how massive that thing it. I think I'd be fine with it if it wasn't so WIDE but wow.
[Nexus 6  General] neyenlives:
Don't worry. Most of the early forum data will get deleted once release happens.
[Nexus 6  General] cb474:
So by that logic, I assume you also think that people who are happy with the size of the phone and other elements of the phone are just engaging in pointless speculation and that shouldn't take place in the forum either. They also have never touched the phone.

I agree that there are a lot of things that are probably hard to know about the phone, without experiencing it first hand. But I think a phone that is larger in every dimension than the Note 4 does not require much imagination to know that it's a very large phablet. So for people who don't like phablets, but do like the Nexus phones, it's understandable that this is a disappointment, about which they might have some things to say. Just as for people who like phablets it's easy to understand why they're excited and looking forward to the 6" screen and might want to express this.

That aside, it's hard to take your complaint about "speculation, whining, complaining, and bickering" seriously, when you are yourself complaining, whining, and bickering about the posts and threads you don't like. You also are acknowledging that you have nothing to contribute to the content of the thread and yet you are filling it up with your non-contributiions and derisively mocking people. Your posts just seem like another instance of the problem, although with even less meaningful content to them.

Ultimately, if you are not interested in a conversation, you should just ignore it. There are many threads on all sorts of topics that I find uninteresting or pointless. But I don't leap in to tell people how their interests are pointless and self-righteously deride them. It's like someone who just wants to spoil someone else's party. I just ignore threads that I have no interest in. That's the polite, nice thing to do. You are going out of your way to do the opposite. There is something, I think, wrong with that. Much more so than people expressing their dissatisfaction or satisfaction with some elements of the Nexus 6, before they have actually handled it.
[Nexus 6  General] bytslayer:
" I love Godzilla sized phones & have piles of money"...Awesome way to dominate Nexus 6 ....SWAG
[Nexus 6  General] eAsyy:
xD

N5
[Nexus 6  General] donnyp1:
Kind of like how you could have ignored my comment?
[Nexus 6  General] franatic08:
While waiting for official pre-order date and Play Store price for the Netherlands I went and made my own mock-up.

External dimensions are correct to the millimeter. This way I can carry around my pocketmodel N6 and see if it bothers me or not while pocketed. When in use the size doesn't matter to me.

If the size is approved, then I can decide on the pricing once it gets officially anouced.
[Nexus 6  General] trickster2369:
I see nothing wrong with either.
[Nexus 6  General] cb474:
I started this thread. I think it's a valid discussion. I like hearing people's thoughts (when they're not dismissive of others), both positive and negative about the size and price of the Nexus 6. I'm interested in the poll results. Why should I ignore someone who is attacking the mere existence of (and adding nothing to) a thread I started and find worthwhile?

You, on the other hand, jumped into a thread that you claim to have no interest in, in order to make dismissive, derisive comments. You claim you wish it did not even exist, because of the topic and the nature of the discussion, and you use that desire to justify your dismissive, derisive comments. So you are the one going out of the way to participate (dismissively) in a thread you claim to not care about and have nothing to add to it. That's what makes your posting here at odds with your stated lack of interest. That's why you of all people should have just ignored the thread to begin with. But if you're going to instead go out of your way to be dismissive and derisive, that certainly justifies a response. Really, I was not thinking this so much at first, but at this point, I think you are just trolling. All of your posts in this thread have had no purpose other than to stir up already heated disagreements.
[Nexus 6  General] neyenlives:
I'm sorry. You need a girlfriend.
[Nexus 6  General] refuse2bstopped:
Personally I'm very excited. I've been contemplating a 7/8 inch tablet for awhile now and also searching for a near tablet sized phone that will give me phone capability AND a bigger (tablet like) size and experience. With this new Nexus 6 I will finally purchase my very first nexus phone. I currently have the metallic red HTC one M8 and will simply sell it to help offset the cost of the nexus 6 for me.

We are spoiled with the pricing of prior nexus devices, but the reality is that this device is definitely worth the price, especially when compared to other flagship devices and what they cost pre-contract. Jmt
[Nexus 6  General] chancy319:
I'm conflicted because I've never really owned or used a phone that big in my hand. I sampled a Note 4 a few days ago to see what the N6 would feel like and the screen looked gorgeous. It felt powerful.

However, the price is great considering the powerful specs and what the competitors sell for. I'm glad the price is high because while the N5 was cheap, it was a terrible device due to certain poor hardware. I'm glad Google is going all out for this device.

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You forgot to account for the weight. That's a crucial factor.
[Nexus 6  General] franatic08:
I'm married, that's why I need a hobby in the first place [emoji6]

Yeah, the weight. No issue for me personally. I had the EVO 3D before my current SGS3 and the feel of the heavier EVO was the first thing in missed.

I prefer to have some weight in hands, to me it gives extra confidence in build quality.
[Nexus 6  General] cb474:
Can we just keep it polite and refrain from personal comments? I think by virtue of the fact that we are on these forums, dicussing the Nexus 6 avidly, before it has even been released, makes us all pretty big cell phone nerds. As they say, people who live in glasses houses shouldn't cast stones.
[Nexus 6  General] neyenlives:
Me too, I hear ya! [emoji1]
[Nexus 6  General] Semantics:
This is one of the silliest things I've read, ever. I don't know what you do for a living, but I get about 100 calls or more a day, I use thousands of minutes of talk time in a month. My consumption device is my Nexus 7, my cellphone is my cellphone. I can't believe you said that.

What I did was something called hyperbole. You've done it yourself in the first post I bolded. It's fun, right?
[Nexus 6  General] neyenlives:
I think my entire family of three smartphones uses maybe 200-300 minutes a MONTH combined. That me, my wife, and 13 yr old girl. We use thousands of texts and multiple gigs of data..... using them as a phone? Not so much.
[Nexus 6  General] Semantics:
For the majority of people, it's still a phone first.
[Nexus 6  General] neyenlives:
I dont think I know anyone who spends an hour a day on the phone.... actually talking..... I'm sure there are. But I can't relate.
[Nexus 6  General] galaxys:
Very rarely use my device as a phone. Prefer text, email and internet.
[Nexus 6  General] mi7chy:
This thread is worse.
[Galaxy S III General] flynn1411:
So all we need is an update for Note 2 so we can get a TW port. Perhaps this port could be more stable than KK. So the question is, when is the 5.0 official update for Note 2 will come? Are there even rumors for an update for the note 2?
[Galaxy S III General] claptraw:
Android Lollipop will most likely be even less hardware-hungry than kitkat. So I see no big problem in bringing it stable to our device.
[Galaxy S III General] Lukijs:
aosp lollipop - yes, if it will be ported or support for s3 by cm will continue, that would be awesome
[Galaxy S III General] chrissykess:
Android L is like windows 7 and 8, similar but better performance
[Galaxy S III General] Orsaan:
we can dream ! no :p
[Galaxy S III General] Wyneg:
I want to think so, let's wait ;)
[Galaxy S III General] Occasus:
Sorry for coming around with such a negative approach but do you really think that we'll get Lollipop after KitKat was cancelled? That seems to be unlogical, especially when we think about the update policy of Samsung.
[Galaxy S III General] Wyneg:
Hi!

I don't think that S3 will get Lollipop directly from Samsung (I think nobody expect that), but I expect that will be technically possible, hardware could running it and developers try to port the update for this device.

From Samsung, I don't expect nothing.

;)
[Galaxy S III General] FritzFact:
what i really hope is that android 5 won't need a kernel update.... or we will be stuck with an unworking cm12 :(

By the way, can you guys explain me how project volta works? will it come to other non-nexus devices? thanks :)
[Galaxy S III General] senthilaca:
I need touchwiz based Android Lollipop with blend of s5 and Note 4 features. Will it be possible in future?

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I dont think samsung will be giving official update for s3..
[Galaxy S III General] liborio99:
Project Volta? What is that?
[Galaxy S III General] Wyneg:
Project Volta is for battery improvement ;)
[Galaxy S III General] cd1977:
Lolipop on GT-I9300

I saw this today

www_sammobile_com /2013/03/18/galaxy-s-ii-galaxy-note-to-get-android-4-2-2-android-5-0-for-the-galaxy-s-iii-galaxy-note-ii/

Do you think is true?
[Galaxy S III General] ortori:
its from two years ago and we didnt even got 4.4 so no, its not true.
[Galaxy S III General] JustArchi:
You saw a news which is dated at march 2013, are you serious?

There will be no touchwiz based lollipop for SGS3. If we're lucky, EXTREMELY lucky, some exynos 4 device may get lollipop, like Note II got kitkat, and somebody may port it, but this is THE BEST SCENARIO, considering the fact that Note 2 got KK and we didn't, and Samsung policy, we may NOT be that lucky. I doubt that any Exynos4 similar device will make it.

You'll have more luck waiting for CyanogenMod, Omni or similar AOSP ROMs, but be prepared for issues, I already have some sneaky tests going on :p.
[Galaxy S III General] Curst:
I fear that it will be the KitKat thread all over again with rumors, screenshots of "test reports" and whatnot.
[Galaxy S III General] flynn1411:
Well, kitkat was made for devices with 1gb of ram. Rumors says that android 5.0 is going to be for devices with 512mb of ram(or even more). So chances are that we could skip kk and go directly to L. But this is based on rumors only.
[Galaxy S III General] Curst:
Not likely mate. As far as Samsung is concerned our device is obsolete.
[Galaxy S III General] racz41:
S3 did not get KitKat. What else for lollipop?
[Galaxy S III General] SouthBi4ch:
hope:D
[Galaxy S III General] cheeze.keyk:
im not so sure if this is really true..but the galaxy s3 i9300 is included on the list of samsung devices getting android L.

http://www.idigitaltimes.com/android-50-lollipop-release-date-schedule-what-devices-will-get-new-update-390164
[Galaxy S III General] Moster2:
Totally wrong information. Kitkat was already for 512 mb devices and thst wont be reduced anymore. Btw, 512mb only due to actiated zram or similar.
[Galaxy S III General] Lukijs:
Looks like you havent read the rest of this thread, that list was made some year ago... and yes, S3 will definetly get 5.0 after skipping 4.4 :silly:
[Galaxy S III General] snake_01:
i would like see android L in my samsung s3. It's a dream :D:D:D
[Galaxy S III General] SouthBi4ch:
not so soon,though:)
[Galaxy S III General] vireaknorin:
Maybe Samsung don't release for s3 coz we don't have kit kat although :(
[Galaxy S III General] rand0m_insanity:
I'm sure i9300 can handle Android L. ;)
[Galaxy S III General] AssassinGEO:
Lollipop is so colorful. It will kill screen and will burn the pixels.

As for hardware capabilities, sure, it can handle it.
[Galaxy S III General] Tatsuya79:
Hope we'll get Marijuana Cake. :silly:
[Galaxy S III General] joaoghost:
I think its totaly fake. This device has long passed the 18 months update period, and Samsung is lunching device after device they are uncapable of updating them all :rolleyes: