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[Nexus 6  General] anthonyg45157:
I know they replaced my 4g sim card in my droid bionic multiple times when i first got it for free because i was having data issues. Turns out it was a radio problem. So i would assume they would give you an updated one.

Nano sims are interesting its like nearly just the gold plated part of a regular sim and micro sim lol
[Nexus 6  General] ShapesBlue:
It's not hard to obtain one from verizon, you could always tell them you lost it lol I'm almost sure the S3 uses the regular sized sim. The nano is just a smaller version of it

From my CM11 S3
[Nexus 6  General] PhantomGamers:
You could also just cut the micro sim down to a nano sim.
[Nexus 6  General] mrw1215:
I'm just trying to understand how that would work, though. I mean, I'd have to activate my new Nexus 6 in order for them to get me a nano SIM, but can I actually activate it without one? Would I have to wait for them to send me one, would I have to go into a Verizon store to get one? Otherwise, being that I still have the S4 activated, they'd just give me another micro SIM, wouldn't they? I'm confused by that.
[Nexus 6  General] ShapesBlue:
Normally if you buy one in store it comes with a sim card. I've bought one at Walmart and my gf bought one at best buy and they are in the box so it would be a safe bet to say it should be in the box.

Sorry didn't mean any confusion there. Normally in most cases they come with a sim card in the box

From my CM11 S3
[Nexus 6  General] mrw1215:
Even when purchased through the Play Store?
[Nexus 6  General] ShapesBlue:
It should. I can't say for sure as I never have bought one from the play store. The sim is supplied by the carrier of the phone I would think

From my CM11 S3
[Nexus 6  General] dave4100:
Verizon would loose to much by allowing customers to just buy it from the play store. They have to have a way to make sure people buy the phone from them to optimize profits. Hence the sim lock. They may force Verizon customers to purchase through them to get it to work. Otherwise, they stand to loose millions of dollars in sales to Google or other retailers.
[Nexus 6  General] ShapesBlue:
That's true. I'd prefer to buy anywhere other than verizon themselves. I purchased my S3 somewhere else as well as the other phone on my account. It's cheaper to buy phones in general other places than verizon. There prices are quite high compared to others

From my CM11 S3
[Nexus 6  General] mrw1215:
Maybe, but what about the other places that sell Verizon phones? You can buy phones from a number of different retailers instead of going through Verizon directly. Wouldn't this be the same thing? If anything, wouldn't it just be a case where you can buy it through Verizon, and also the Play Store, and any other retailer that decides to carry it? What's the difference between buying a Verizon phone from the Play Store, or buying it from another retailer, like Target or Wal-Mart, as far as Verizon is concerned?
[Nexus 6  General] skeezer308:
Here's the thing. We don;t really know yet. I mean we can all speculate on this and that, but until the phone launches or further news comes up, we don't know if there is going to be a Verizon version or not. If there is just 1 universal Nexus phone for the United States, then it shouldn't matter. You just buy the phone pop in your sim and activate it. If there is a specific Verizon version then you'll have to buy that version, whether it be from Verizon or other wise. To your last question, as long as it's a Verizon phone there is no difference.

For me atleast, I really do hope there is only 1 version. I think that would mean that it can definitely be unlocked and so on. The thing is though is that I'm not sure that this is the kind of phone that companies or military would get for their employees. Unlike a Samsung that has Knox integrated into the hardware, and a Verizon locked down bootloader to be more secure for corporate use.
[Nexus 6  General] dave4100:
I think Verizon will throw a curve ball regarding this phone and how its going to play on their network. That's just how they roll.
[Nexus 6  General] ShapesBlue:
Agreed. I just hope they don't mess with the bootloader

From my CM11 S3
[Nexus 6  General] jpcalhoun:
I'd love to have this phone, but I'm not going to pay $650.00 for a locked bootloader and hope someone finds a way to unlock it. I'll stick with my Dev Edition S5 before I would do that. I've always wanted a Nexus and this one really is inviting to me...I like big displays. I guess we'll just have to wait and see about whether Verizon "plays ball" or whether they screw their customers who would otherwise by the Nexus 6.
[Nexus 6  General] nexus6R3plicant:
There is no way that vzw will mess with this phone. With how things went with the galaxy nexus and sprint getting nexus 5 but vzw not getting it . They will not have anything to do with the software on this phone.updates strait from Google and no locked bootloader. If they pull anything they will never see another nexus and they know it .
[Nexus 6  General] TechBSwift:
You guys ate worrying too much, by law verizon can't stop up from buying a phone from another carrier and using it on their network. If you buy it from verizon subsidies it will be sim locked which is legal according to law, until you fulfill your contractual obligations. Worst case, you will have to pay full price from a carrier in order to have an unlocked sim and boot loader. The law passed in September 1st
[Nexus 6  General] joshua.justice:
Any idea if I get a carrier one if I can just flash the play store system dump and it'll just get updates from them? Not the carrier
[Nexus 6  General] nexus6R3plicant:
There are 2 phones only a international and a north american one ...there are no carrier versions they are the same
[Nexus 6  General] phind123:
This.

The only extra thing the Verizon version will come bundled with is a micro sim card that you shouldn't even use unless it's your first micro sim phone on their network.
[Nexus 6  General] joshm.1219:
Verizon has a CDMA network, only phones specifically made for Verizon work on their network. The Nexus 6 might be the first caveat to that. All Verizon phones, as a part of their FCC agreement, are SIM unlocked, able to be used on any carrier. There is no law regarding bootloader locking, only SIM locking.

"Worst case, you will have to pay full price from a carrier in order to have an unlocked sim and boot loader" - doesn't make any sense...
[Nexus 6  General] nexus6R3plicant:
It would be a nano sim in the nexus 6
[Nexus 6  General] phind123:
You're right but nothing a pair of scissors can't handle.
[Nexus 6  General] joshua.justice:
But the reverse may not apply correct? I can't use any phone that's compatible unless they say so?
[Nexus 6  General] GTvert90:
Verizon has to whitelist your imei for it to pick up 3g and voice. The only thing we really don't know if the N6 will be required to be pre whitelisted (already in their system, bought from them /authorized retailer), If all imei's will be in their system, or if the imei of the device bought on the play store can be added
[Nexus 6  General] joshm.1219:
I don't know what you mean. I know you can pop GSM cards in Verizon phones and use it no problem, but I've never seen a phone that supported Verizon's network that wasn't "certified for Verizon" as they call it, much less tried to use it on Verizon's network.
[Nexus 6  General] joshm.1219:
I really wouldn't be that surprised and I suppose they could still figure out a way to lock it if they really wanted to. All evidence seems to point to it still being unlocked, the Turbo will definitely be locked. Only hope I have in that respect is that Justincase might be able to pull off Sunshine for 4.4.4 , which is what I think the Turbo will ship on.

I'm leaning to the N6 over the G3. Less manageable size, sure, but I'm used to it with the One Max already. It's also taught me to get used to an embedded battery, I've figured out how to set it up really well for my use. I get 1.5-2.5 days use out of it's 3300 mah battery, so I think I'll be fine with the N6 and the Turbo charger. Although, Droid Life just posted a video showing the charger and it didn't seem to charger much faster than a normal 2.0amp charger. I don't really see any other factors in the G3's favor.

The big thing is the development community. Absolutely incomparable.
[Nexus 6  General] Mistertac:
That's just it my friend... The Dev community for Nexus is where it's at. Hopefully I can hold off and wait to see from those Verizon users if it's still unlocked before I jump the gun and get it... Right now I'm thinking we should be good and it'll be unlocked. But we just never know and Verizon is a real PITA!
[Nexus 6  General] mrw1215:
The way I see it, if it were going to be a problem, why would Google have included Verizon in this in the first place? They didn't push for Verizon to carry the last two Nexus phones, so if it was really going to be an issue, why not just continue to avoid Verizon? Aside from those of us Nexus-loving Verizon folk, who would it really have hurt for them to continue to skip out on Verizon?

I dunno, perhaps I'm just being too optimistic (because I really want to believe I can order a Nexus 6 from the Play Store and be able to activate it on my Verizon account), but it just really doesn't make much sense to me that Google would make a point to include Verizon on this if there were going to be extra hurdles to jump through to get the phone on their network, specifically.
[Nexus 6  General] joshua.justice:
I don't see any negatives to all of them being added before hand. Wouldn't they have preadded any cdma phone that they carry?
[Nexus 6  General] nexus6R3plicant:
But they would need to add all North American nexus 6 if they just add them as they are needed to be added.
[Nexus 6  General] joshua.justice:
So if I get one do they legally have to add it since it's compatible fully with their network?
[Nexus 6  General] nexus6R3plicant:
I don't know about legally but that is how sprint handled it .... Called them and they added it. no problems that was the only way to get 32gb on nexus 5 as sprint thought it was best to only carry 16gb lol
[Nexus 6  General] joshua.justice:
This stupid verizon rep on their web chat is telling me that I have to purchase the device through them or I won't be able to use it on verizon.
[Nexus 6  General] SilkyJohnson:
There is absolutely no chance the bootloader will be locked, this is a Nexus.
[Nexus 6  General] neyenlives:
It hasn't even been announced by Verizon yet. I called and a very knowledgeable rep did a bunch of searching and she said she could not find any info on it. Just relax. They don't know how it will be handled yet.
[Nexus 6  General] RW-1:
Droid Life announced they confirmed that they are carrying it, but no further details.

Sorry on my initial pricing on edge estimate, it was stupid and I should have done the math first hehe. Still for me and those who don't want to shell out the full price, it's an alternative right now, IMO that phone could hold me for another three years, as my GNex has for the last three.

As to buying thu play store, it's set to be on VZ's network bands, so if adding it you most likely would get a sim after having the device added to your account.

I wouldn't place any stock into taking to a VZ person right now, they have 0 info in it, and some of them were fruitlessly looking for the SD card in my GNex when I bought it at launch to "help me transfer my contacts" (from my OG Droid, which was in progress right after I entered my G account info.

I'm not saying all VZ employees are stupid now. Just that I'm sure nothing has been given to them on the 6 yet, most of the time someone leaks the internals to the major blogs as it happens ....

The hypetrain definitely has left the station though, looking forward to seeing it in store :)
[Nexus 6  General] Vuciz:
Not only is there the Google issue, Moto also doesn't like Verizon. But we'll have to wait and see.
[Nexus 6  General] joshm.1219:
It's a hard decision. On the one hand, I think the G3's dev community will be like the Note 2, which was the last truly unlocked Samsung device on Verizon. It had great stock-rom devs like Beans and Scott who both look to be on the G3. At the same time, there was a lot of AOSP going on as well.

It's just that I remember having the GNex and not even being able to hit refresh without a new rom or kernel popping up. I had so much fun back then, I don't even know if I have the time for all of that now lol.

The shitty thing is that I think the best phone coming out for Verizon now is the Turbo, but Verizon is fucking us on that.
[Nexus 6  General] selayan:
So once we buy through play store we can take it to any carrier? That would be nice because all I have to do is get a nano SIM from Verizon and stop using my m7. Otherwise, if the play store models are only for att, Sprint, and tmobile and Verizon ones are different I'll have to order the unlocked model and switch carriers.
[Nexus 6  General] tgyberg:
Yea I hope vzw just gets in line with all of this. Big fun hating red... :rolleyes:
[Nexus 6  General] :
It'll have a locked bootloader and a big verizon watermark on the center of the screen.
[Nexus 6  General] ECrispy:
Even if there is one single model for all carriers, can't Verizon restrict their model by using a different RIL, and other phones without it wouldn't activate on the network?

Would be very glad to be wrong on this. I'm probably going to buy one subsidized (my contract is up) as long as I can keep my unlimited data.
[Nexus 6  General] mk92595:
Moto doesn't like them? 75%+ of their phones are Verizon exclusive
[Nexus 6  General] selayan:
Not in Verizon you have to buy it full price if you want to keep their unlimited data. They tried getting me to upgrade but told me I'd loose data.

If it's one phone for all carriers that's awesome. It has all the bands according to the specs.
[Nexus 6  General] Vuciz:
I meant in terms of bootloader unlocking.

You cannot unlock the Verizon Moto (X/G) bootloader. Moto won't let you.
[Nexus 6  General] mrw1215:
Not to sound like a broken record, but again, if Verizon was going to be a problem about the phone, why wouldn't Google have just skipped them again? It seems like there were differences over the GNex, hence why Verizon never got another Nexus. So if they hadn't worked something out, why would Google want to deal with that headache again?
[Nexus 6  General] selayan:
I'm really hoping we order one phone from the play store and can use it on any carrier since it has all bands. But I feel like Verizon has a trick up their sleeve and we won't be able to pre order or buy the Verizon model until later.
[Nexus 6  General] RW-1:
Exactly.

Moto is likely the other reason that VZ is carrying the N6, they have more pull with VZ now - Take the N6 or we shop the Turbo to someone else ....

In all probability you will order with Play Store, take it in, or even get linked to VZ to add to your account, etc. Get the SIM and rock.

We can speculate all we want, but we will find out in the next few weeks.

I like the new L setup from a previous device setup, as the first thing I would do with an N6 after getting it home is to unlock the bootloader, so having an easier setup from the GNex will make it a little easier, maybe save a little time, etc.
[Nexus 6  General] wtherrell:
There will be a huge database pf phone identifiers Verizon can quickly check. Doesn't make good business sense for vzw to refuse to activate it on their network. They want that monthly revenue stream.

But then, it IS Verizon we're talking about.
[Nexus 6  General] GTvert90:
There is a GSM version of the turbo....
[Nexus 6  General] selayan:
I hope it's not like the moto x website where you go through check out and you have to select unlocked or Verizon or Sprint. If that is how it will be I'll just get the carrier free version and change providers. Would be nice to keep my Verizon unlimited data but metro also has the $60 unlimited plan which is better than paying $90 a month for my one phone on Verizon like I have been.
[Nexus 6  General] RoscoeDpG:
im hoping i can get it thru motorola i have a gift card for them, so i would only pay around 500 for it and hope i can just walk in to verizon and get it going
[Nexus 6  General] PGU5802:
23% from Home Depot?
[Nexus 6  General] jkc120:
Starting to look like the Nexus 6 play store version won't work on Verizon AMD we'll have to buy through them (with who knows what trade-offs). Time will tell I guess.
[Nexus 6  General] selayan:
Based on what evidence?
[Nexus 6  General] jkc120:
Nothing concrete, just conjecture at this point. But their reputation precedes them (said they'd carry Nexus One, instead we got Droid Incredible, galaxy nexus - need I say more, and wouldn't activate Nexus 7 LTE) so their past behavior regarding Nexus in general and the fact that Google's tech specs mention Verizon's frequencies, but list every other carrier except Verizon here, although the Verizon logo does still appear here. So I guess there's still hope...I hope I did not pre-order a $700 mini tablet. :D
[Nexus 6  General] nexus6R3plicant:
Based on his paranoid delusions ....just chill out people it will be the same phone
[Nexus 6  General] selayan:
At least you ordered one. Take it to Verizon and try to get it active. It's not like you walk in there and you bought the phone from Sprint or tmobile.
[Nexus 6  General] jkc120:
I acknowledged it is conjecture. If this were Sprint, I wouldn't believe it. But given their history, Verizon does not deserve the benefit of the doubt.

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The return period for GPS is 14 days right? I wonder if they'd let me return it after that period if it were unopened in the event Verizon won't/can't activate it (for whatever reason)?
[Nexus 6  General] selayan:
That's the beautiful thing about buying from Google. 14 day return policy no questions asked. If Verizon gives you the run around and they should not, because my local store rep told me just bring in your SIM and the phone and he will provision me a nano SIM on my account, Google will take it back if you don't want it or can't switch carriers.
[Nexus 6  General] jkc120:
Right, but here's the scenario I am eluding to:

- despite the 11/21 estimated ship date, it ships say next week and I get it on like 11/7

- I now have until 11/21 to return it

- Verizon won't activate it, so I wait and on 11/22 they announce their "version" of it (or that they'll have the Moto S or something)

- at that point I'm past the return period

So I wonder how much leeway they give you. Guess I can just return it after 14 days if Verizon is still an unknown *shrug*
[Nexus 6  General] selayan:
Just take the phone with you to your Verizon store. Tell them I need a nano SIM I bought this phone and want to use it instead of my old one. If you already have a nano SIM then pop it in when the phone arrives.

If they say no we can't let you then you return it. Either way if you want to stay on Verizon and wanted the nexus 6, and if they forced you to buy their version(which makes no sense it's all one phone), why would you wait 14 days take it up there as soon as you get it if you don't already have a nano SIM.

This way you will know right away.
[Nexus 6  General] jkc120:
Looks like Verizon was added!! https://support.google.com/nexus/answer/6102470
[Nexus 6  General] selayan:
It was there in the main nexus 6 page. It was a type on the support page that they caught over the 2 days.
[Nexus 6  General] INCREMENTAL:
Verizon version is the same version as all of them, no bloat and updates through Google, and if not then this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y-cD_Avne2k&feature=youtube_gdata_player clearly shows that we don't need a Verizon version. So looks like were n good shape.

Edit: video was done posted in another thread, I guess its not 100% solid but gives us some hope.
[Nexus 6  General] Tsoflyyup:
This isnt a Verizon version this is a google play store version which works on VZW. My concern is the one that/If verizon sales directly will be altered with bloat and locked bootloaders........
[Nexus 6  General] jkc120:
A typo is leaving off a letter or swapping a letter, not leaving off an entire word :p

Just seemed awfully suspicious, but guess it was an honest mistake.
[Nexus 6  General] wtherrell:
Verizon rep told me today that the online version would work fine or could get from them in - store in late November.

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Bootloader will be easily unlockable. Any small amount of bloat ware will be easy to remove.

IT'S A NEXUS! No need to worry at all.
[Nexus 6  General] Shaffer678:
Are you sure you $25 per phone? Because we have 2 phones are on edge and only get $25 monthly credit. Would like to know if I'm getting screwed.....
[Nexus 6  General] dtroup64:
The more I see reviews coming in for the other phones I'm interested, the clearer it becomes that I'll be getting this in January when my contract is up.
[Nexus 6  General] neyenlives:
Yes. If you are on the more everything 10gb or higher plan, every smartphone purchased through Edge gets a 25/mo per smartphone bill credit every month. I have two Note 3's and an HTC One M8, all purchased on edge agreements, and I get 75 total of bill credits every month, 25 per line. That essentially makes the phone payments for me. So we just pay tax to edge up and get new phones.

The key is the smartphones had to have been purchased under the edge program. Must be smartphones, not feature phones.

If you are on one of the lower plans you get 15 bucks per device same as mentioned above.
[Nexus 6  General] Shaffer678:
Gonna have to make a phone call then since we have 2 phones on the edge plan and are in the 10 gig family share plan ! Thanks
[Nexus 6  General] neyenlives:
Yeah I don't know why you aren't getting it on all lines. It shows up as a line item under each phones bill statement breakdown.... make sure you're checking all of it. It wouldn't show up as 50 bucks in one spot on the bill.
[Nexus 6  General] neyenlives:
Shaffer. Starting today they are also giving more shared data for free. My 10gb plan went to 15 for no extra charge but it's not automatic. You gotta log in and choose the 15gb plan. Whammo, 5gb extra data for free.
[Nexus 6  General] boynamedstacy:
Wait, what!? I just checked my account and they want more money to bump from 10 to 15gb. Could you explain the process please? This would be huge for me, thanks!
[Nexus 6  General] neyenlives:
Log into your my Verizon app, go to change plans, you'll see the new data tiers listed with more data for the same price, submit the change, done.
[Nexus 6  General] boynamedstacy:
Hmmm. I went to the website and did the same thing but it's $20 more for the 15gb plan :(
[Nexus 6  General] neyenlives:
I just did it. You're in the US and on a More Everything shared data plan right?
[Nexus 6  General] boynamedstacy:
Yes and yes. I just used the chat feature on the website and got it changed :) I guess it hasn't populated for my account yet. Thanks bro!
[Nexus 6  General] anthonyg45157:
Thank you so much! I just bumped my plan from 6gb to 10gb for the same price! I usually come close to 6 and have to bump to 8. Not an issue now! :D
[Nexus 6  General] neyenlives:
Awesome. Congrats
[Nexus 6  General] mysterysauce:
http://www.androidheadlines.com/2014/11/unlock-nexus-6-9-bootloader-developer-settings.html
[Nexus 6  General] jkc120:
Watch Verizon disable that on the N6 somehow...heh
[Nexus 6  General] GUGUITOMTG4:
UUM. Now Verizon just need to edit Settings apk and some framework lines to remove that option and it won't be unlock-able
[Nexus 6  General] jkc120:
Yes, but my understanding is they can't do this on the Nexus 6. I think GPS and Lollipop know how to conditionally download additional apps, but they can't modify /system so I think we're ok.

And even if they did manage to do it, just boot it without the sim, enable the option, then boot again with Verizon sim.

I can't even imagine the outcry if Verizon did this to a Nexus...