yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[Galaxy Note 4 General] Nitemare3219:
More pictures. All (except selective focus) have HDR. Some are AWB, some are daylight balanced. Most auto-enhanced via G+ & compressed/resized.

I feel like on the outside edges, particularly the far left - it goes out of focus/detail is lost. This is most noticeable in shots that are of a large area such as some of the ones below. It's easily seen in the tree leaves and blades of grass compared to the rest of the scene. Is this just the nature of the camera, or is mine defective? I also think the sun can cause some lens flare at times as seen in the first few pictures. I have some Photojojo lenses coming - might need to get the polarizer.

Camera setup I'm using... Sunpack 5200D and ChargerCity camera mount from Amazon - about $25~ total.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] bala_gamer:
[MENTION=3224605]Nitemare3219[/MENTION]

great shots, some of them are of wallpaper quality!!
[Galaxy Note 4 General] nathsgames:
The website is only so big lol.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] Nitemare3219:
Thanks! I'm actually using some of them as wallpapers on my 2560x1440 27" monitor... something I've never done before especially with a PHONE CAMERA!!! This camera can be insane.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] masuodd:
Hello my friend

excuse me i can't speak English well

please some one compare exynos camera with the snapdragon camera

there isn't any source for it...

Please compare exynos camera vs the snap one at the at least five position

Could someone do it???
[Galaxy Note 4 General] skibadee:
Could someone do me a favour and take some pictures indoors with medium light, no flash. Ideally of a moving subject ie pet or child etc. I'm very close to ordering a N4 as an upgrade on my n3, my n3 is real bad with these shots and blurrs if lighting isn't bright. I want to be able to take pics of my son at home with more than 1 in 10 shots being any good. Thanks :)
[Galaxy Note 4 General] Burgscheinkerkdeiktraast:
Moving objects will be blurred, tiny sensor.... sometimes even dedicated cameras have same problems...

so don't expect crystal frozen in time your son on the picture in medium light, indoors.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] skibadee:
Ok thanks, I've heard similar about the small sensor but can someone just try. Any improvement over the note3 will be of interest.

edit:

just to add I don't mean the subject deliberately moving (eg doing laps around the sofa), just a head turn etc before the shot is taken. I get huge delay between pressing the button and the shot being taken.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] gavinfabl:
As a previous Note 3 user and owner of an iphone 6 plus too, I must say I am very pleased with the Note 4 camera. Action shots are just fine.

Sunrise at Bellever Forest thru the Trees #SamsungNote4 #unedited by gavinfabl100, on Flickr

The above taken today. No edits. In my flickr some dog action shots. All on auto. Link https://www.flickr.com/photos/gavinfabl100/sets/72157648796796660/

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One more shot but plenty in my Note 4 album. The album will grow every week :)

Tree logs stacked in style at Bellever Forest #SamsungNote4 #unedited by gavinfabl100, on Flickr
[Galaxy Note 4 General] skibadee:
Nice shots. Looks very nice where they were taken. Do you have any shots of your dog's taken indoors, with less light?
[Galaxy Note 4 General] gavinfabl:
Thanks ?

Yes I do. But they are private as they are inside my home. I had many that came out just fine. Some were also blurred slightly. But overall I was ok with the results. Miracles won't happen. The results are the same indoors as the iPhone 6 Plus as a comparison.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] EP2008:
Injured Merlin in rehab

My wife rehabilitates wildlife, and I was fortunate enough to snap this photo of an incredibly beautiful bird.

No flash, HDR was on, handheld and a single lightbulb casting light. I used Auto mode with touch to take a photo enabled.

I'm always impressed by what this camera can do.

EXIF DATA:

Date taken	11/10/14, 5:29 PM UTC-5

Dimensions	5312 x 2988

File name	20141110_172950.jpg

File size	5.09M

Camera	SM-N910U

Lens	-

Focal Length	4.8mm

Exposure	1/100

F Number	f/2.2

ISO	64

Camera make	SAMSUNG

Flash	Not used

Exposure Bias	-

Views	-
[Galaxy Note 4 General] Allesa:
Went to Wakatobi Islands, Southeast Sulawesi, Indonesia...

Note 4 rarely failed ...
[Galaxy Note 4 General] Slai:
Lots of impressive photos here. LOVE the falcon or whatever that bird is. And the Sulawesi ones are great too. Keep 'em coming, guys! Ill add some of my own eventually, once I get my phone back from the repairshop.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] Nitemare3219:
Migrating my stuff to Flickr... sort of. New photos will be posted out of there because they are only resized and shouldn't be compressed any further or edited by G+. These photos will be edited by G+ because I downloaded them from there. First two shots are with macro photojojo lens. I'm trying to get the other lenses to work, but it doesn't look like they will on the Note 4 :(. Probably the last bit of car photos... I washed her one more time before it gets really cold, so I figured I'd get some clean pictures in!

Selective focus ON

Selective focus OFF
[Galaxy Note 4 General] chobits:
The one from the front has weird blur effect

It's only half to the left is blurred

I bet it's using selective focus

and the one from behind, i notice small part near the spoiler is in focus

tinyyyyyy part

try google camera, it gives the best and most natural bokeh effect

even i have HTC M8, hit n miss results
[Galaxy Note 4 General] z06mike:
In Google+ if you click the top right corner of the photo to view the original! Also, in the settings, you can choose to upload the original size or 5mp photos.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] iridaki:
Some random shots. I'm quite pleased with the camera.

iR¡D@k!* from Galaxy Note 4 via Tapatalk
[Galaxy Note 4 General] pedmond:
Yup, it really is the best phone camera I've seen.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] boodies:
Someone's nice ride.

Showed an iphone buddy this photo at max brightness. He was impressed. Calling it one heck of a screen. Hehe.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] :
Lil effect.. No hatin :D
[Galaxy Note 4 General] g2tegg:
Instagram approved! Just kidding

First snowfall here in Ontario.. :(
[Galaxy Note 4 General] MT0227:
New office view
[Galaxy Note 4 General] :
mahn I miss snow, it had been years since we have some :crying:
[Galaxy Note 4 General] bala_gamer:
Anyone feel like the images are a bit over sharpened, there are also some noise in the pic especially in low light areas

Texted from Note 4
[Galaxy Note 4 General] DruoGaby:
JUST ADDING TO THE PICS☺
[Galaxy Note 4 General] Slai:
https://www.dropbox.com/sh/p1iiju9qsckbmcr/AACg4PVgBhZjO2UoiAopLBc1a?dl=0 <- where Ill be putting my photos. Hopefully Dropbox saves them at the correct resolution etc. Google+ seemed to add effects and so on...

I tried putting them directly in here, by using the IMG wrap around the dropbox .jpg stuff, but just shows a broken pictureicon...
[Galaxy Note 4 General] flatronics:
I have this oversharpened almost textured like images when display mode is on AMOLED cinema/photo.. switched to Adaptive display and it's gone.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] bala_gamer:
are you sure about that? how does the display mode affects the pictures :eek: , i would love to see a side by side comparison from u buddy
[Galaxy Note 4 General] flatronics:
let me clear that. When I fist had my phone I thought I have camera problem 'coz photos appears to be too sharp and textured instead of smooth flat surface. Then I transfered the photos on my laptop and photos were fine. Then I changed display mode from AMOLED to Adaptive and now photos when being viewed on the phone is now fine...
[Galaxy Note 4 General] gavinfabl:
Some more shots

Original Dartmoor Ponies #SamsungNote4 #unedited by gavinfabl100, on Flickr

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This one below was of 2 of my dogs in action. Froze it really well.

Fast action shots - Tiggy looking at George in the water #SamsungNote4 #unedited by gavinfabl100, on Flickr

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Widecombe-in-the-Moor #village #SamsungNote4 by gavinfabl100, on Flickr
[Galaxy Note 4 General] rickydenim:
Why isn't there an option to email photos from the share button? Might be a silly question, but I'm coming from iphone.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] gavinfabl:
There is plus choice of which email app. Sharing on android is way ahead of ios.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] rickydenim:
I don't have any email apps to choose from? I have the following when I click share - Dropbox,Evernote, Bluetooth, Drive, Facebook, Flipboard,Google +, Hangouts, Messages, Paypal. No Gmail, Samsung Mail to be found! Is there a way to add them in?
[Galaxy Note 4 General] iridaki:
Here are photos taken in somewhat unusual circumstances: a light show in the botanical gardens.

https://www.dropbox.com/sh/zhmj9wloc60nmga/AADZ3zGp8FuD3HRvY8wuP7E2a?dl=0

Once again, absolutely impressive! :)

iR¡D@k!* from i9505 via Tapatalk 4
[Galaxy Note 4 General] blackspp:
I've got a whole bunch of these excellent pics.

Notice the depth of field!

My Note 4 is great!
[Galaxy Note 4 General] pantmunu:
No filters . Everything auto . Havent even played with the settings yet.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] kannanX10:
some random shot..............cam on N4 is really impressive
[Galaxy Note 4 General] tylerjames09:
Doba...
[Galaxy Note 4 General] z06mike:
Can you post a screenshot? Gmail should definitely be an option!
[Galaxy Note 4 General] PearsonDKA:
Playing around with the filter settings. I'm absolutely in love with this phone :p

Sent from the Galaxy Note 4
[Galaxy Note 4 General] GalaxySpirit:
Here are some pictures i've taken with my Galaxy Note 4.

No filters,HDR on

https://www.flickr.com/photos/95952924@N05/sets/72157648935987849/
[Galaxy Note 4 General] z06mike:
Absolutely incredible shots!
[Galaxy Note 4 General] billu:
An action shot
[Galaxy Note 4 General] GalaxySpirit:
In the fog...
[Galaxy Note 4 General] bala_gamer:
Do we have any special filter or app to remove fog/smoke from photos?

[MENTION=1643320]sarasws[/MENTION]

the pic from flight is awesome, which mode did you used?
[Galaxy Note 4 General] sarasws:
No filters used. The camera on this mobile is highly capable. Especially with the exposure control at focus point by holding the point. Have a look at the pics which otherwise not possible with normal shooting. The flight pic was taken in Auto mode.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] kawkawati:
Taken using Auto Mode
[Galaxy Note 4 General] Safar_Ibrahim:
Taken with selective focus
[Galaxy Note 4 General] cynk42:
Selective focus mode
[Galaxy Note 4 General] Chefproll:
Taken with the Note 4, "HDR Scape" effect (Google Photos) applied.

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Two comparison pictures...

No, no joke...
[Galaxy Note 4 General] ok2nvnexus:
My office window :)
[Galaxy Note 4 General] gavinfabl:
I did a camera comparison a few days ago on my blog with photos taken by the Note 4 and iPhone 6 Plus. Great article if you haven't seen it. I have both phones. Note 4 won and originally I thought the margins were very close. Then I realised the Note 4 file size had been left on 6mp lol.

Last night I was at a work Go Karting event. It was indoors. Neither phone could snap clear moving shots of the Go Karts in action as the lighting was not bright enough. Had to use my DSLR with xenon flash. Also slow motion video wouldn't work on both again due to low lighting. Video was too dark. Both phones were on a tripod. I reviewed the video footage later. I realised the vibrations and noise from the racing meant the mezzanine floor was moving slightly. Some of the 6 Plus video footage suffered motion sickness. Note 4 was perfect.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] Nitemare3219:
Finally some pictures not of my car, haha. Photojojo macro lens... no tripod this go around, so pictures may not be entirely sharp or in focus. But they're pretty good for indoor lighting conditions with the assistance of an LED flashlight.

Salt & pepper

Pill

Magazine page w/ glitter pen ink & cat hair :)
[Galaxy Note 4 General] eksoccer99:
Go green go white
[Galaxy Note 4 General] seru12:
unfortunately for me this didn't work.. I tried this and I'm still getting a grainy over sharpened look.. my GS4 takes better pics ? I'm gonna have it checked out by the tech guys in my area... ugh I'm jelly, everyones pics look so nice.. ?
[Galaxy Note 4 General] henklbr:
Pictures made by #Samsung #GALAXYNote4 AUTO-mode (#Tilburg - #Netherlands 231915A NOV 14)
[Galaxy Note 4 General] pepitogrill:
A bit edited:

Crop:
[Galaxy Note 4 General] sprintuser1977:
Wife feeding pet turtle
[Galaxy Note 4 General] sreins:
A night on a bridge.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] rudynasco:
The picture quality is horrible! lol but i think you didnt use flash here.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] Croocodillul:
Very happy with N4 camera:

More here: https://www.flickr.com/photos/97082575@N04/sets/72157646987607893/
[Galaxy Note 4 General] Chefproll:
Two crops, no further editing...

(Taken in NORMAL mode, no background defocus.)
[Galaxy Note 4 General] BlackS0ull:
picture taken in Göteborg (for some reason I don't know why it turn my picture) [emoji2]
[Galaxy Note 4 General] sreins:
Why? Don't forget that is a Smartphone. I wanted to capture the mood, and therefore the quality is pretty good, I think.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] ar216893:
What do you guys think about this ?

I don't remember mode I use, but I think it's on auto. HDR on
[Galaxy Note 4 General] PearsonDKA:
Seen this little guy behind my work annnnnd a sunset in HDR mode

Sent from the Galaxy Note 4
[Galaxy Note 4 General] GalaxySpirit:
A few shots taken in Auto Mode,HDR On

Some of them were taken in moving car.

Here's my flickr account: https://www.flickr.com/photos/95952924@N05/sets/72157648935987849/
[Galaxy Note 4 General] GalaxySpirit:
A few more shots!!

Here's my flickr account: https://www.flickr.com/photos/959529...7648935987849/
[Galaxy Note 4 General] gadjet:
Nice day

Taken in auto mode, no hdr, while on a short walk dinner time.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] RayHK:
Share my Note 4 picture

20141202_113131 by raydubaidubai, on Flickr
[Galaxy Note 4 General] Andrewtst:
Awesome food - taken using Food Mode
[Galaxy Note 4 General] gavinfabl:
I'm so hungry now ?
[Galaxy Note 4 General] pedmond:
Great - now I'm hungry!
[Galaxy Note 4 General] Andrewtst:
Christmas feel is coming! Wishing everyone ready for coming awesome Christmas "Merry Christmas!"
[Galaxy Note 4 General] PearsonDKA:
A few more I took this week.

Sent from the Galaxy Note 4
[Galaxy Note 4 General] RayHK:
Share a few more pictures

20141202_123512 by raydubaidubai, on Flickr

20141128_100705 by raydubaidubai, on Flickr

20141128_100244 by raydubaidubai, on Flickr

20141128_092524 by raydubaidubai, on Flickr

20141128_091605 by raydubaidubai, on Flickr
[Galaxy Note 4 General] RayHK:
Share a few more night shots:

20141205_172551 by raydubaidubai, on Flickr

20141205_175308 by raydubaidubai, on Flickr

20141205_180231 by raydubaidubai, on Flickr

20141205_180959 by raydubaidubai, on Flickr

20141205_171058 by raydubaidubai, on Flickr
[Galaxy Note 4 General] mgbotoe:
Anyone use any alternative picture apps?
[Galaxy Note 4 General] andw93:
hello! it's just me in the camera does not allow me to focus in the whole left side of the screen? I'll explain when I press to focus on the entire central and right out the circle of focus come and so the image is focused, while on the left, across the strip below the key settings, if I press does nothing and the circle of focus doesen't appear.I have deleted the cache of the camera and does the same problem, while other cameras like the google cam work correctly .I haven't problem to touch because it works well on any app and also in test mode. it's the same for all the note 4? also you have this problem?How i can solve it?

sorry for my veeery bad english
[Galaxy Note 4 General] RayHK:
Hi andw93,

FYI, the attached picture shows the area within the left side of the camera screen where the focus can be locked when it is pressed and held. I believe it is normal.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] gadjet:
Double rainbow.

Got his shot just before dinner today..
[Galaxy Note 4 General] edem84:
Selective Focus

Hi,

Selective focus with Note 4 Exynos, so photo sensor Isocell :)
[Galaxy Note 4 General] wEaKlY27:
While having lunch. (Selective focus)
[Galaxy Note 4 General] tee00max:
ACC championship game last night.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] manubaba:
Blurry pic
[Galaxy Note 4 General] Polini99:
I'm usually a LG G3 user, who just has a look at this thread out of curiosity.

The G3 still does really great Pictures, but the Note 4 does even better - i am impressed.

Have fun with this phone guys :highfive:
[Galaxy Note 4 General] sarasws:
Night shot with Note 4
[Galaxy Note 4 General] RayHK:
180 degree view of Dubai Creek

20141128_094921 by raydubaidubai, on Flickr

Dubai Airport

20141207_161413 by raydubaidubai, on Flickr
[HTC Desire S] Lex_Michdeandroid:
And I really enjoyed beating the sh-t out of it. Apart from the Alcatel One touch 819D, this must have been the biggest pile of cr-p I ever came across. Constantly hanging, dodgy touchscreen, and it's last know flaw: not having an internal speaker anymore.

I lost it. When it decided to hang itself after testing the internal speaker I just lost it. I even took the time to grab a hammer from the locked toolbox. I feel fine again.

Verstuurd vanaaf miene Oneplus One mit CM11 Nightly-20140929, Franco-r20.
[HTC Desire S] first_damned:
Lol that's one way to solve the problem I suppose
[HTC Desire S] jmcclue:
Couldnt disagree more, i still have my DS and as for an everyday phone for working on building sites, on the road etc its a solid little phone that iv dropped, got wet, and with the right setup, rom then i think its great.
[HTC Desire S] LenAsh:
Thread closed.

I reckon the OP has made his/her point, and there's nothing further to add.

Thanks
[Verizon LG G3] TonyStark R.I.P.:
We can chill here and be cordial.

Topics of discussion:

Cell phones... Does anything (atm) even compare?

Ideas you've seen in other roms, of which you would like to see incorporated to our device.

Talk about new technologies

Your observation of prior devices compared to the LG G3

Cake recipes

Lets help keep requests and ROM suggestions out of development threads.

Help those looking for a ticket to Mars

Basically anything dealing with the Verizon LG G3 :good:

Everything Lollipop

Please keep it clean and friendly, we're not here to start wars

Please click the cosponsoring device icon, to see what's up in the other device lounges

​
[Verizon LG G3] Mistertac:
This is a great idea and thanks to TonyStark we have already gotten the attention of a few Devs regarding our recently unlocked G3's!

This post here will serve as a running list of requests so that it's easier to keep track of.

Specific ROMs

CM - Coming Soon!!

SlimKat

Dirty Unicorns - Possibly being worked on

Liquid Smooth - Also possibly in the works

AOKP

Paranoid Android

Color OS

C-Rom

MIUI

Mahdi RoM

AICP

SOKP

Stock - DeBloated- DeOdexed

Features / Ports

Samsung's WatchOn

** Check these two forums to see what's currently being developed!!

Verizon G3 Android Development

http://xdaforums.com/verizon-lg-g3/development

Verizon G3 Original Android Development

http://xdaforums.com/verizon-lg-g3/orig-development
[Verizon LG G3] TheEndGame7:
A ROM w/ BlackedOut Everything! and that goes for All Apps, Framework, SystemUI, etc.. Team BlackOuts Black Stock Playstore (a little bit of color but, Jet Blacked!) is a Perfect example of what I'm talking about! That'll be my first request. Appreciate you Devs!
[Verizon LG G3] t1n0m3n:
G3 needs a rock solid barebones AOSP rom.
[Verizon LG G3] Mistertac:
If you guys can find a link to any of these Roms your interested in seeing come to our G3s please provide, and also you could politely shout out to the Dev too.

-

An OMNI build by [MENTION=3878813]jakew02[/MENTION] was another go to ROM on my S4. http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=2765216

That ROM would fly on the G3!
[Verizon LG G3] Gandalf:
[emoji6] I've got d851
[Verizon LG G3] Mistertac:
Good deal! I didn't know that obviously... Well I'm quite happy you have a G3 my friend as I'm sure many others are too.

- Tapatalked From The G3 -
[Verizon LG G3] stajam:
Maybe one like ViperOneM8 [MENTION=4905624]j to the 4n[/MENTION]

Or

Something like Hyperdrive [MENTION=4600715]sbreen94[/MENTION]

Just to name a couple super stable & feature rich ROMs

*If I have helped you please hit the thanks ?*

Sent from my VS985
[Verizon LG G3] ericsmart:
I would like see C-RoM
[Verizon LG G3] shanetrain:
[MENTION=3718810]jakeday[/MENTION] had a great rom on the G2, Malladus.
[Verizon LG G3] Mahapederdon:
I second that man.
[Verizon LG G3] luke1987:
[MENTION=5232783]dr87[/MENTION] I thought Mahdi ROM was the best aosp had to offer on the g2
[Verizon LG G3] tech_head:
AOSP, CM11

A kernel that throttles less.
[Verizon LG G3] deuce237bblock:
MIUI, Gummy, BeanStalk, PA, PACman ROM. Just to name a few.
[Verizon LG G3] Bassdj427:
Oooo miui...I forgot about them
[Verizon LG G3] Mistertac:
What device did you have good luck with MIUI? On my S4 it always took a song and a dance to get it working correctly... Although it did look very cool!
[Verizon LG G3] jreyno10:
The ROM I really want to see land for our G3 is AOSPA. But I'd settle for any AOSP ROM honestly.

Sent from my G3
[Verizon LG G3] Bassdj427:
I can't even remember...I want to say the galaxy nexus or s3
[Verizon LG G3] Rodeojones:
Honestly, any AOSP ROM that's 100% stable is what I want. Beyond that, I'm not picky. AOKP, CM, PA...it doesn't matter. And I've already stated a few times, the developer who first delivers a fully functional AOSP ROM has a $50 donation coming from me.
[Verizon LG G3] TheEndGame7:
MultiRom is another Huge Request for me! ???
[Verizon LG G3] Mistertac:
Figured I'd host and share the latest Maps , Calendar , and Messenger :

Maps 9.0

http://www.mediafire.com/view/7zakc6thsvou787

Calendar 5.0

http://www.mediafire.com/view/bp52ewv6v888cwa

Messenger 5.0

http://www.mediafire.com/view/t5f555yrq1s50ax

Enjoy the latest and greatest!
[Verizon LG G3] idkwhothatis123:
So this may seem like a stupid question, but I am confused with the fear of L patching bump.

Could LG seriously not decompose our Bump'd TWRP version, another devices non-bump'd TWRP, and pick out the differences? This would show them the exploit behind making it all work, then they can patch that. Much like we do, seems like pretty simple reverse engineering. I mean I have watched dev teams reverse engineer harder things (RIL for example) and these guys are just hobbyists with a bit of C++/Java knowledge. Imagine a whole dev team all being experts in coding. I imagine this could take them about 4 hours to complete.

I guess my point is, it's going to get patched one way or another and I doubt the pending release of Bump is going to expedite that. Root and Bump now while you can. Going forward, only get Nexus devices lol.
[Verizon LG G3] HerroMoto:
Why is everyone worried about bump being patched? Why don't people just not take ota updates and wait for the devs to create ROMS for them?
[Verizon LG G3] bweN diorD:
refer to post 178. devs only make certain parts. for instance, i believe you wouldnt be able to have an L kernel, without L boot, which is where the bumped twrp exploit is.

just my understanding, correct me if im wrong.
[Verizon LG G3] danaff37:
While possible, it's not likely that the L kernel will require the new bootloader. The issue would be with replacement devices through insurance, or new devices.
[Verizon LG G3] azoller1:
I'll be building bean stalk, and possibly chameleon os
[Verizon LG G3] spotmark:
Cool, I loved Beanstalk, on my S4.
[Verizon LG G3] azoller1:
Yeah, seems like Scott hasn't done much lately, but we'll see how it goes
[Verizon LG G3] jlvlawrence:
Has anyone that's taken the update to 11c tried running their g3 on ART?
[Verizon LG G3] bostonbassman78:
I have not yet but heard if u try it and have xposed running it won't work