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[P3600 General] Menneisyys:
This is indeed a lousy driver. While all other 2.8" HTC devices exhibit this problem in most games, the speed doesn't decrease THIS bad on, say, the HTC Wizard overclocked to 240 MHz and running K-Rally - not even at the standard 195 MHz, where, with the touchscreen constantly pressed, the CPU usage of gwes.exe increases to 17% (measured using the AKU3.2 ROM).

I've also quickly measured the CPU usage increase of gwes.exe (or, for that matter, anything) on my HP iPAQ 2210 (about 0.5% only) and my HTC Universal (no noticable CPU usage increase at all).

All in all, this problem only seems to be acute with the QVGA PPC PE devices of HTC.
[P3600 General] Menneisyys:
Great, I'll do it too as from the press; hope I'll receive some useful response.
[P3600 General] Menneisyys:
Yes, the usual, "canned" answer. I'll explain them how the CPU usage can be reliably benchmarked and will also post them my measurement results, which DO slow it's HTC that has a buggy driver, NOT the third-party apps.
[P3600 General] Menneisyys:
I'e continued benchmarking my other Pocket PC's; neither the Dell Axim x51v (A12 ROM) nor the Fujitsu-Siemens Pocket Loox 720 did exhibit any kind of CPU usage increase with the stylus down.
[P3600 General] Menneisyys:
I'll do the Trinity benchmarks on Monday (unfortunately, I don't own the device, it's my employer's and don't have access to it during the weekends). If it indeed turns out to be resource-hungry, I'll publish an article on the matter, which HTC can surely not ignore any more.
[P3600 General] prsnow:
Thanks Menneisyys, that would be extremely appreciated.
[P3600 General] Dead Cell:
The answer unfortunately is yes! As mentioned in my first post the Hermes also suffers from this just as bad! I've simply given up playing Krally. All I play now is worms which is playable as its not a speed intensive game.

Its such a shame though, because on my mates asus p525 which is like a year old now, Krally runs so fast :(

Damn HTC. This will probably be the last HTC product I'm going to own!

Keep us updated and yes doing those tests sounds a pretty good idea.

Dead Cell.
[P3600 General] DM@:
Thanks Menneisyys for detail research and that you had localized problem to concrete process and for yours good intention.
[P3600 General] Menneisyys:
Thoroughly tested the issue on the Trinity (1.15.405.5, 10/23/2006). Indeed it sucks really bad: the CPU usage of gwes.exe when the touchscreen is kept pressed is around 36%, as opposed to the other tested models. I'll soon publish an article on the issue and make sure HTC is also aware of the problem.
[P3600 General] crashbg:
They fixed almost all of the lag with the new official WWE firmware for DOPOD810
[P3600 General] prsnow:
Seriously? I thought that wasn't the case according to this thread: http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=293880
[P3600 General] Borbosch:
The Problem isn't fixed with the new Dopod Rom. Today i played Enslave and pocketquake in the train, but while i was using the stylus, the fps dropped again like before with the original german HTC rom.
[P3600 General] prsnow:
I also tested this and the issue is still exactly as bad as before.

crashbg, exactly where are you getting your information from?
[P3600 General] DM@:
I have being inspired by Menneisyys research and sent another e-mail to support.

And today I receive the answer

Unfortunately my English very bad and I can't explain the crux of the matter in real-time conversation. This will be the cause of misunderstanding.

That is why I want to ask somebody in UK to call to support and explain the problem.

Hotline & Technical Support by phone: UK

Free call: 0845 8900079

Languages: English

Opening hours: 8.00am - 6.00pm GMT
[P3600 General] Osir1s:
Is it possible that you guys might have a small batch of faulty devices, it just seems unlikely that this problem is as large as you are suggesting, or either its impact on your devices functionality might only extend to certain games?

I only ask because when the Hermes had its screen alignment issue there were thread after thread on the matter, dont you think if the CPU was stiffled so much that others would be reporting it?

I mean I played enslave on the TyTN and M3100 and it ran fine and other intensive cpu applications like video playback have all run fine whilst using the stylus on the screen, in their menus etc.

I only ask because the results of your cpu test are convincing and if that much of the cpu was being used on screen touches alone then I dont know how people would be using their devices smoothly unless all they did with them was make phone calls and some might calendar entries.
[P3600 General] meroupow:
If you think we have faulty devices why don't you test yours and show us how cpu is not affected by pressing the screen?

The fact is that most people just use touchscreen to click on menus and do not keep it pressed. Only few games require it, therefore it is far from being obvious.

Plus generally when you keep pressing usually it is because you drag a page (pocket internet explorer, file explorer, pocket word...) and these are not cpu intensive applications, your cpu only gets to 50% or 80% and even if it reaches 100% you only gets a small lag and don't notice it much.
[P3600 General] Loboman:
I must be a lucky one, because my device does not suffer from this problem (latest Dopod ROM).
[P3600 General] meroupow:
@Loboman

Did you measure cpu? How much is yours when pressing screen?
[P3600 General] saminegm:
Okay... I might test it on my device... but what tools should i use? do i have to install a game? which one?
[P3600 General] DM@:
This just happen then you touch and PRESS to the screen for about 1.5 sec. and longer.

If simple touch (less then 1 sec.) uses - every thing is OK.

If long touch (more then 1.5 sec.) uses - CPU utilization rapidly grow up to 40%.

There is a programm in attachment. Install it, run in background and just press to the screen for more then 2 sec. and watch CPU utilization level.
[P3600 General] Loboman:
I measured CPU, but appearently with a program that sucked ass. Installed the one from the post above and it draws 41-44%. Can't see which process it is though.

I think the device is sluggish overall. How hard can it be to make a device that runs an OS smoothly? Quite hard, I guess.. :(

Give me more memory! I'll gladly pay!
[P3600 General] prsnow:
Yeah, this touch screen issue is really starting to drive me crazy. I emailed HTC about a week ago but they still have not replied regarding this issue. Has anyone else received any replies from HTC about this?
[P3600 General] frigit:
I am also experiencing the screen slow down, especially running Skyforce.

When the keypad is used, it runs fast. I did not have this issue with my O2 mini which had the same type of screen.

Not happy.

Running GPS rom.
[P3600 General] DM@:
Do not be lazy and write to support by e-mail. May be If the number of claims will be enough they will do something.
[P3600 General] frigit:
I have complained to Dopodasia regarding this scren slow down and also of my unit automatically switching on by itself.

The guy on the phone didn't know much so I followed up with an email.

I agree in that the more complaints they get, the more likely they will have to fix the problem or face bad publicity (kind of like the atom noisey screen issue).

Will post any replies.
[P3600 General] DM@:
Another answer from support

I make some experiment. I run Task-Manager (programm in my post above) in background and it shows 1% CPU load. When I run K-Rally and use only buttons. The game slow down as if I use the stylus. Task-Manager shows 55% CPU load.

Task-Manager refresh graph of CPU load once a second.

I close Task-Manager rerun K-Rally (use buttons to control) and it's run very fast.

Any ideas?
[P3600 General] saminegm:
So maybe the culprit is the Task-Manager and not the Stylus-Tapping? Reminds me of Schroedingers Cat...:)
[P3600 General] psargent:
Here is the HTC response when I contacted them regarding this issue:

-----Original Message-----

From: HTC Technical Hotline Support [mailto:callservice@htceurope.com]

Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2007 5:41 AM

To: psargent***@*******

Subject: Problem ID 070221EM00092168

Customer email address: psargent***@********

Dear psargent,

Thank you for the information. We would like to escalate this issue to our development team to assist them in the development of the next ROM update.

If you could provide us with the ROM and Radio versions of you device we will pass on the information you have provided.

Thank you for your enquiry, Should you have any other problem, please do not hesitate to call us. Your Local number can be found at http://www.europe.htc.com/support/cs_by_phone.html

Best regards,

Paul.

HTC Support

callservice@htceurope.com

http://www.htc.com

I sent them the ROM and radio numbers of the original HTC rom (because I know this had the problem too - and because I was afraid they would discard my email if they knew I was using Dopod firmware and was not really from Europe!) :p

Well, at least it appears they are listening....only time will tell!
[P3600 General] prsnow:
No, this is not the case. You still see the same slow-down issue with the touchscreen even without Task-Manager installed. Try playing any decent game out there and you'll see the problem (when I say 'decent', I'm excluding simple games like Solitaire).
[P3600 General] DM@:
I sent them another e-mail and receive the answer

I do not have devices with WM5.0 except my Trinity.

If somebody could test CPU load while holding stylus on the screen on other devices with WM5.0 please write here the results. I will send to support.

I will do hard reset as they ask me and then will see the result.

Can somebody who knows English very well (or it's your native language) say me the meaning of this with other words. :)

I understand each word separately but I do't understand that I must to do. :) :o
[P3600 General] mikron15:
I believe, they are trying to say is to do a hard reset and then install the programs/application one by one and check the CPU usage after you install each programs. This way, they can determine which program/appz is the culprit causing high cpu usage.

Example:

1) hard reset

2) check cpu usage

3) Install Opera for internet browsing

4) check cpu usage

5) install abc program

6) check cpu usage

7) install defg program

8) check cpu usage

...

......

get the drift?

Hope this helps!
[P3600 General] meroupow:
Simple:

1) Flash ANY rom, you can also prevent installation of extended rom

2) start taskmr.exe

Problem is there.

At some point they have to stop collecting informations and just try to reproduce the problem. It is very easy for this one.

My guess is they know there is a problem but it is probably too much effort to fix.
[P3600 General] DM@:
mikron15, meroupow Thanks. Yours interpretation is more clearly.

I already did hard-reset and only installed Task-Manager and sent them this info. But If they ask I will do this again.

meroupow how can I prevent installation of extended rom?
[P3600 General] meroupow:
After hard reset, during first boot at some point it installs configuration (cab files), just soft reset as soon as this starts. It will reboot but will not install what's inside extended rom (mostly useless stuff that you can still install afterwards).

Regarding the touch screen issue I was wondering if it could be linked to the cpu structure itself.

This samsung cpu seems to have everything integrated in it:

http://www.samsung.com/Products/Sem...nProcessor/ARM9Series/SC32442/sc32442_msp.pdf

"S3C2442 includes the following components: separate 16 KB instruction cache and 16 KB data cache, MMU to handle virtual

memory management, TFT and STN LCD controller , NAND flash boot loader, system manager (chip select logic and SDRAM

controller), 3-ch UART, 4-ch DMA, 4-ch timers with PWM, I/O ports, RTC, 8-ch 10-bit ADC and touch screen interface, camera

interface, IIC-BUS interface, IIS-BUS interface, USB host, USB device, SD host and multimedia card interface, 2-ch SPI and PLL for

clock generation."

It's hard to be good at everything...
[P3600 General] flashmp3:
Perhaps Not Only Trinity

I have installed a new version of the game skyforce. In this version bugs(I don't know which ones) have been fixed.

The result is that I can fully enjoy playing with or without stylus and this WITHOUT any slow. It is very fast. So I think the trinity works well it's just some softwares that need some fixes
[P3600 General] meroupow:
Or maybe it's just some software that use less than 60% cpu and therefore can cope with the 40% used for touching the screen...
[P3600 General] entity:
Same problem on ETen Glofiish x500

Hello,

I have a PDA manufactured by Eten (model x500 with processor SC32442 running window mobile 5) and it has exactly the same problem described in this thread.

When you touch the screen the CPU load jumps by 40%. First i thought it was a problem with the game i was playing but later using a taskmanager i found out that the process qwes.exe is eating all that cpu regarding where you touched the screen. Anyway the only "solution" i've found until now it is PocketHackMaster which i used to overclock the PDA from 400Mhz to 450Mhz.

The games run a little bit more smoothly now but still sucks when the ingame scenes get complex.

Anyway i don't think it's a hardware problem with the CPU because if it was you wouldn't see the load on one process(qwes.exe) but you would see a general performance degradation.

...it would be interesting if we could find a PDA with this CPU that doesn't have this problem.
[P3600 General] DM@:
Yes, it is right. I did the same on ASUS P535 (Intel XScale 520MHz) and CPU load was 34%. But the rest 66% (340MHz) is enough to play game normally.

In our case remains only 232MHz.
[P3600 General] jjplayground:
Can someone tell me where to find the game. So I can test it too.

Have someone tried the Cherrisoft games, like strip poker? They can not be played at all :(
[P3600 General] psargent:
Please tell us which version of SkyForce you are using and from where you downloaded it. I am using v1.22 and I still have the speed problem. I thought this was the most recent version - but I'd love to know if there is an update I don't know about!!
[P3600 General] flashmp3:
I am sorry. I made a mistake. It is better but still slow :confused:
[P3600 General] kunz:
Quite an interesting thread. I thought there was a problem with the touchscreen driver when, on a brand new trinity, I found the HTC PhonePad quite laggy compared to the much inferior, Xda Atom which I owned previously.

I've measured the CPU load with just a measuring application and my results are the same as everyone elses. CPU load rapidly climbs to 40% after a mere 1-2 seconds of holding the stylus down. The XDA Atom on the other hand, stays at a relatively constant load when under the same 1-2 seconds of holding the stylus down.

Menneisyys: Did you end up writing that article on the issue?

.. and did anyone else get a favourable reply/fix for this problem?
[P3600 General] mysticbluebmw:
I have the exact same issue with my new HTC Advantage x7500. First I was a little peaved when I found out they use a SUPER CONSERVATIVE built in auto scaler, so I am basically floating around with 104mhz most of time (and it totally feels like it too), instead of the advertised 624mhz. Now I can't even play a simple stylus based scrolling game, because my gwes service jumps from .5% to 33.5% just by touching the screen. This is rediculous on a $1500 device! Or any device for that matter.
[P3600 General] nbc17:
Hello meroupow,

How can you get your taskmanager to come up like that. My task manager only has 2 tabs "Button", and "About".

Thanks.
[P3600 General] meroupow:
try this one

http://www.iaccarino.de/silvio/ppcstuff.htm
[P3600 General] viperx:
Having said this, I have found XIIZeal general game speed faster with taskmanager off.
[P3600 General] viperx:
I bought Skyforce reloaded for my atom exec when it was v1.00. How do i upgrade to v1.22?

Also, some people have said you don't have speed problems when you play. Can you please let me know what rom versions you are all running?

Thanks!
[P3600 General] tbuaron:
i have the solution

if you want to play krally, install pocket hack master

and accelerate the cpu from 400mhz to 450mhz and the game will fly.

but for some reason activesync will disconect until you will go back to 400mhz.

(all the application will speed up extremely) :eek:

i am using pocket hack master for long time when i want to increase my speed.
[P3600 General] Albhar:
Interesting Topic !

Got exactly the same problem on my Fu-Si LOOX N560. I don't believe the hardware is faulty... That must be a driver or OS bug. I can't imagine using this pda without the stylus. How would I play Rayman ? :p

Just sent an email to Fu-Si... don't know whether they'll answer or not as their pocketPC have been discontinued.

Any news about this issue ?..
[P3600 General] xenocidal:
I also have this problem on my 8525 (TyTN). It is making me rather sad that I cannot play some games without going into slowmode. Has there been any fix for this?
[P3600 General] xenocidal:
I posted about this in the General forum as well. Hopefully we can get more eyes on it and figure out what the hell-o is going on.

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?p=1506718
[P3600 General] millab:
I've got a brand new HTC P3600i Trinity (WM6 with 500MHz processor and 256MB Ram)

I noticed this problem straight away. Very annoying. Eats the battery very fast too. I reckon that's why this model gets so hot when used.
[P3600 General] ww2250:
It's bad to hear that HTC didn't fix it with the new p3600i. Judging from so many people with different devices came across similar problem, it's probably the Samsung CPU or the ATI video chip to be blamed for.
[P3600 General] lmjabreu:
Or they're using the same crappy drivers everywhere for that matter.
[P3600 General] viperx:
Is it really a driver problem? if so are there new drivers out there that can be tried? Or is it a hardware problem?
[P3600 General] nikiiv:
Some early Mac's were abandoning the ethernet if you hold the mouse button for so long..
[P3600 General] Oxymoron:
My Alltel HTC Touch's experience with this problem...

I've been following this thread, because I too noticed that some of my games went a little slower when I touched the screen (mainly PDAmill's games, which are AWESOME!!)

Anyway, I downloaded the task manager in this post and then held my finger down on the screen... and the CPU Load increases to 25% and stays there for as long as I keep the screen pressed. I never goes to 40%, even if I begin to rapidly move my finger around the screen (but it does go as high as 37%).

I really want to find out if we can fix this. I heard somewhere that Alltel does their own programming on their phones (because they took wifi out of the Touch), but the CPU Load doesn't suffer as bad as the non-Alltel phones.

I hope my info helps!
[P3600 General] Aqrab:
I posted about the same thing in the nike (touch dual) forum as well

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=353682
[Moto 360] matika:
After pairing Moto 360 with my LG G3.

Moto 360 shows "Just a minute"

But which last for more than 5 min.

The it showed"Something's wrong,try again?"

Of course I choose Yes.

Then the screen shows "downloading" Which last forever....

Anyone can help?
[Greenify] ad3pt:
I have Lenovo P780, Greenify work in mode xposed (boosted) with premium features , and this causes stops android.process.media

I do not greenified system applications .

I tried to clear the cache media store and this dont repair. After deleting Greenify all works fine, but i want use Greenify.

How i can send log? Or how find out why??
[Moto 360] gerg004:
So I've had a difficult time snoozing my alarm from my phone since getting the 360. Of course this is at 6am and I'm just fumbling with buttons until the alarm quiets. Problem is I seem to be completely turning the alarm off, which has resulted in me waking up an hour late the last 2 days.

The only conclusion I can reach us the fact that my watch is connected. Is there anyway to ensure I'm snoozing/turning off my alarm from my phone? Am I right in thinking the watch is causing this issue?
[Moto 360] akellar:
The watch and phone have completely separate alarm apps. They don't interact with each other in any way. Has nothing to do with the watch.
[Moto 360] gerg004:
It's just strange that all the sudden my volume keys don't "snooze", and nothing is actually showing up on my phone giving me an option to swipe for "snooze" or "turn off".

Seems like the only way to get it to stop is to hit the power button and all that does is turn the alarm off. Have never had this happen until the watch was connected. And at the time it happens my watch is docked and doesn't show anything other than the time and change (normal screen when watch is on the charger. Standard charger that came with the 360 mind you).

Guess it's time to do some experiments and see what's going on.
[Moto 360] vansmack:
This might be one of threads that could benefit from knowing which phone and ROM you are using.

On a stock Nexus 5, the Alarm clock works the same since I've purchased the watch. On screen I have the option to Snooze or Turn off the alarm with a swipe.
[Moto 360] gerg004:
Note 3 running the same alliance rom v1 and stock clock app that I've been running for the past several months. The alarmed worked literally the day I bought the Moto 360. It stopped working literally the next morning after connecting the watch for the 1st time the day before.

The only thing that changed was using the 360. Guess im.the only one having the issue. Once I get home I'll be able to test it out while on the charger.
[Moto 360] hush66:
Perhaps you can disconnect the 360 tonight and see if you face the same issue tomorrow morning.
[LG Optimus L9 P760, P765, P768, P769] thekrusader:
Hi,

I have a L9 that up to a week ago was working fine. then it began to require multiple boots to load through, if the battery was allowed to run down. At present it starts up loads LG screen and then a red triangle over a android icon. Phone is stock and has not been rooted (v20b) I have tried the following:

1. Volume up/down + Home Button + power - Cannot get into recovery.

2. Does go into S/W upgrade mode and have used LG recovery tool to do a Upgrade recovery - when reboots does not go past red triangle.

Any suggestions?
[LG Optimus L9 P760, P765, P768, P769] master90x:
Turn off your phone and Hold vol - or vol + and insert usb cable to your phone and pc. Your phone will be change to s/w upgrading mode. :D Goodluck
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[One (M8) Themes and Apps] donmarkoni:
just in case
[One (M8) Themes and Apps] Sneakyghost:
Thank you mate for your funny credit. :laugh:

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[One (M8) Themes and Apps] donmarkoni:
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[One (M8) Themes and Apps] jfcooley:
Confirm works stock sprint 4.4.3

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