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[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] david279:
that is talking about network handoff in general, nothing about hangouts. And the ota to enable this feature will be released next year so its probably being tweaked now to be ready for next year.

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also wifi calling has never been a hardware feature, its all software. back in the day of early CM(7 or 8) wifi calling was added to all the T-mo htc phones and it was the same as its being done today. A apps and a couple of libs in /system.
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] j'vai:
in other words, the feature doesn't need a carrier add -on (ims core registration), if it's OS software based..

even right now, we *have it* on the nexus 5, with gv / hangouts / number integration, on wifi & lte & I can stream a youtube vid & be on a call at the same time, so right now, it's a given in the userspace via apps, as an over the top solution (works dam well too)

a revision of android L may deeply provide a seemless solution with it's update; I suspect this much.. (the carrier's ims' Ok on data voice is only complementary) but, can be worked around..
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Zepius:
its not the same thing. you go from cell signal call to a wifi call with the same number. it is not VoIP.
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] j'vai:
even currently, hand-offs isn't reliable, votle / wifi calling is more, stationary than anything, from what I've been reading from the experiences of users on tmobile & Verizon..

with the over the top solution now on the nexus 5 (or many adroid devices), same difference;

one better, technically the nexus 5 isn't even supported on Verizon, but yet, can have voice over lte on Verizon (AWS) with a lte data only connection ..

on other networks, it matters not what the data air interface is, the call can be made, with one solution..
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Zepius:
this is impossible. Verizon does not have wifi calling at this time.

you cannot compare VoLTE to tmobile's WIFI calling as they are not the same.

VoLTE is only VoIP over LTE. nothing more.

tmobile's wifi calling is a regular cell signal call that can become a VoIP call but still use the original tmobile number.
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] j'vai:
look at what you've typed, & go back & re-read what you quoted from me...

......

"Keyan X

3 hours ago

The nexus 5 can access and use Verizon LTE its been proven and confirmed"

"iavaj jj

3 hours ago (edited)

+Keyan X I'm not disagreeing with you that it DOESN'T work; just expanding that, from my prior post, one can have unfettered data & voice on Verizon's LTE band 4, where coverage is..﻿

Google gave the nexus 5 a backdoor with the new hangouts dialer.."

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"on other networks, it matters not what the data air interface is, the call can be made, with one solution.. "

I'm on sprint, with gv integration, all I'd need is data -

http://forums.androidcentral.com/google-nexus-5/436152-nexus-5-likely-see-wi-fi-calling-over-t-mobile-soon-5.html

anywhere in the world, I'd have the same 202 (wash dc) area code calling out..
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] simms22:
nexus 5 does not work on voice over lte(volte) that verizon has. yes, verizons volte just began. no, the nexus 5 does not work on it. only thing that the n5 can do on verizon is get data.
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] j'vai:
if it can ALREADY obtain the lte data service ( as in the youtube video) what would hinder gv from making & receiving calls with an over the top solution, with just Verizon acting as a dumb pipe?

it hasn't stopped me on sprint, nor tmobile, I guess it wouldn't stop me on att..

what would stop it on Verizon?
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Zepius:
you still do not understand the difference between VoIP, VoLTE, and wifi callling
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] j'vai:
I guess the majority are stuck on the schematics of volte, as only being ims based implemented by the carrier, also wifi calling or it ain't real -

"VoLTE, Voice over LTE is an IMS-based specification. Adopting this approach, it enables the system to be integrated with the suite of applications that will become available on LTE."

http://www.radio-electronics.com/info/cellulartelecomms/lte-long-term-evolution/voice-over-lte-volte.php

I'm not swayed by market speak, when the solution is at hand already, market speak sways many to purchases not needed, wen what they had in hand already could have done the job perfectly..
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] simms22:
thats fine, use your google voice number on the data only connection. you said that voice calls work over volte. when in fact they do not. older lte tech did not allow voice calls over lte, so when you made calls, you switched to H or 3G. this new tech allows calls over lte now, which needs a device that can call over lte. the nexus 5 can not call over lte, but most new phones will be able to now.
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] j'vai:
market speak aside the division of wifi, lte, voip calling, is calls over data - which I expressed my sentiment here (posted for the second time)-

http://forums.androidcentral.com/google-nexus-5/436152-nexus-5-likely-see-wi-fi-calling-over-t-mobile-soon-5.html#post3929214

guess I need to copy & paste w/o the pics -

"have a hacker mindset, & push things to work how you want them;

forget simply wifi calling, I want it all, *data calling* irrelevant of the air interface used;

I have a truphone sim, that was collecting dust in my wallet for the longest, last night I decided to try something,

*use it*, lol

it had like $39 odd on it in credit, as stated, I'm a current sprint sub, with google voice integration, I've gave the truphone number to no one, it's basically dormant, minus test calls to keep the account alive, but it's no contact number for me..

what I'm did last night was swap my sprint sim, for the truphone sim, to utilize it's data, while still having my main sprint number via google voice, which I can receive & make, calls, videochat, mms, sms via hangouts, I've set hangouts to *receive incoming calls* since the native dialer isn't tied to the sprint sim anymore (so no double rings from hangouts & the native dialer)...

I want to see how far that $39 will take me..

at home & at work, I'm connect to wifi, so only in between, out & about am I utilizing truphone AKA tmobile's hspa data service-

all calls via the hangouts / gv / sprint number are nothing but data calls, ither on tmobile's hspa or wifi, likewise with sms, mms, & of course video chat.."

I won't have to upgrade from the nexus 5, for the same feature set..
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Zepius:
congrats. you discovered VoIP.

VoIP is not the same as VoLTE

VoIP is not the same as WIFI calling.

i'm correcting you because you are spreading mis-information.
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] j'vai:
*my voice calls over lte with google voice on the nexus 5 works wOnders*

& I can use the browser, stream from youtube while on a call.. I don't have to wait for the carriers to *OK* the phone from their IMS core.. I simply go over the top of it, for the same functionality..
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] simms22:
tmobiles wifi calling is.. you can be talking on the phone outside, then walk into a building with a wifi connection. the phone call will switch from network based to the wifi service, without dropping the call. then when you leave the building, itll reconnect to tmobiles mobile network, ftom the wifi, without dropping the call. that it.

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and thats fine. as i said, use the data connection with your google voice number. but its not even close to being the same thing.

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@j'vai we have a verizon thread here in the n5 forums, read it. ive been helping many try and get an actual voice signal on verizon for nearly a year. wifi calling is one thing, we knew we could do that on verizon for about 10-11 months now. but thats not what people are interested in. yes, now verizons volte started. and on day one of volte for verizon, in had a few people test if the n5 would be able to make a phone call over it. unfortunately, everyone that tried said its a no go.
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] j'vai:
like I said (& I think you know) it's not reliable,

http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2014/09/why-t-mobile-needs-wi-fi-calling-its-network-cant-match-att-and-verizon/

http://gizmodo.com/what-is-wi-fi-calling-1635271129

what difference is that experience, from what i have now?

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well, here you are Zepius
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] simms22:
well, for one thing you are wrong again.. tmobiles wifi calling is extremely reliable. secondly, its COMPLETELY different than your experience. you can not talk on verizons network, then connect to wifi while youre still talking, without dropping the call. nor can you connect to verizons network, while making a wifi call, without dropping the call. what you are talking about is completely different. thats what we are trying to tell you. its like we are talking about meteors and you come in and tell us about pluto.
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] j'vai:
"...and if it actually works as promised.

It's worth noting that that despite the hyperbolic claims of Apple SVP Phil Schiller and T-Mobile CEO John Legere, Wi-Fi Calling probably won't be seamless. At least not at the start. While Apple made it sound like you can simply jump from the carrier's spectrum to Wi-Fi and back, the fine print on T-Mobile's own site disclaims confusingly both that "Most devices will not transition between Wi-Fi and the wireless network, " and that "Devices will not transition between Wi-Fi and the cellular network." We've reached out for clarification."

date -	9/16/14 12:41pm
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Zepius:
now you're trying to bring the iphone 6 into this? that is apple's first attempt to do tmobile's wifi calling. my wife's g3 works quite seemlessly when moving between cell signal and wifi for phone calls

dude. seriously. stop.

you dont know what you're talking about and you're trying convince 2 people who know the differences between them that those 2 people are wrong.

keep using your VoIP solution. it works for you and thats great, but do not confuse VoLTE, VoIP, and wifi calling.
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] simms22:
thats because it needs tmobiles framework. thats why tmobile branded phones can do it. and can update them. apple is different, they did include a generic wifi calling feature in the iphone. but, not tmobiles wifi calling. now, it is possible that apple included all that is needed for tmobiles wifi calling. but the chances are that something else will also be needed. anyways, my next door neighbor has an iphone6+ on tmobile, and wifi calling IS working for him.
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] david279:
I don't even know what's happening in the thread anymore ??
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] j'vai:
~sigh~

let's slow down..

not trying to argue, or anything..

just pointing out, that with my sprint nexus 5,v (at android kit kat) & any carrier's data only sim, or wifi connection, would provide me with the same *feature sets* that wifi calling / volte touts for the future,

that's all, 2 years from now with a phone that would hit the market, on those features, I'd be able to perform the *same thing* if not hand off from data to cellular, (but that matters not of everything is to be via the data channel anyways, then it all even out, then there's no hand-offs to think of)

from the youtube link that guy was corresponding with another, the guy that started this post -

http://xdaforums.com/google-nexus-5/general/verizon-nexus-5-t2853862/post54952809#post54952809

but it stalemates..

like this video on the same thing -

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gsqtxGojofM

it just went somewhere & died out, when mentioned that one could go over the top of the carriers for the provided feature set.. it like when mentioned, there's hostility, like "how dare you compare that to a stamped approved carrier way, we won't even consider it"

do I have the wrong xda?

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it was about the feature set, not the iphone..
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] simms22:
its NOT the same thing you are getting with sprint at the moment, thats where you keep making the mistake.

tmobiles wifi calling.. can make a network call and it can be picked up by wifi without dropping the call(or picked up by network from a wifi call without dropping).

volte.. voice over lte. that is not the same as making a google voice call over data. volte is being able to use your lte connection to make phone calls instead of being dropped to 3G.

yes, i can also make plain wifi calls over lte on tmobiles network but we are not talking about that. that is your whole mistake. you are in the wrong thread. when i make a normal call(not google voice) my signal drops from lte to hspa, so the call can be placed. and still, data works as well. data has always worked on tmobiles network even when on a phone call. but that also isnt what we are talking about. we are talking about tmobiles wifi calling feature, that is all. not how you save yourself money using google voices number on data only lte connection. for that, you need to find a different thread

do you have the wrong xda? its possible. xda is a developers community(not a hacking community). a community that follows the law, does things legally.
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Zepius:
sigh.

after this reply i'm done replying to you since you 1) do not read 2) still do not understand the differences 3) are still arguing with 2 people who know what they are talking about

yes you are trying to argue that you are right and we are wrong, when in fact, you still dont understand the differences

wrong. what you are doing is called VoIP. IT IS NOT CALLED WIFI CALLING. wifi calling is what simms22 described it as. you are using the carrier cell signal and moving to wifi and you still have your carrier phone call (from carrier number) connected and call flows over to wifi from cell signal seamlessly. the nexus 5 in its current state CANNOT do this. it requires libs that are device specific and it is closed source from tmobile. wifi calling has been around for some time now (i think 2 years, tho i could be wrong on that)

this has nothing to do with xda. it has to do with the fact that you are spreading mis-information around calling things what they are not.
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] j'vai:
"this is impossible. Verizon does not have wifi calling at this time.

you cannot compare VoLTE to tmobile's WIFI calling as they are not the same.

VoLTE is only VoIP over LTE. nothing more.

tmobile's wifi calling is a regular cell signal call that can become a VoIP call but still use the original tmobile number. " -

http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=56048998&postcount=11

then

"congrats. you discovered VoIP.

VoIP is not the same as VoLTE

VoIP is not the same as WIFI calling.

i'm correcting you because you are spreading mis-information. "

http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=56049546&postcount=19

..................

g'nyte..

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you don't know .. what a hacker, **actually is*..

aaah..

market speak...

now I know where the division lies, in understanding, & application..

ok...
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] simms22:
lol, he accidentally said "voip over lte". what he meant, or should have said was VoLTE is voice over LTE, and nothing more.

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im 42 years old, have been around for quite a long time, not just here, but in many places and events. i know what a real hacker is, from my experiences and from others. i do know that you are far from one. and i, i am not one any longer.
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] j'vai:
I'm 49, & haven't been here too long, & have been to many places & events, & can say in the same breathe using your own words separating *developer* & *hacker*

& you're "do you have the wrong xda? its possible. xda is a developers community(not a hacking community). a community that follows the law, does things legally."

(clearly confusing a hacker with a crAker)

that you could have never been a hacker -

http://www.catb.org/esr/faqs/hacker-howto.html
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] simms22:
lol.

I'm sorry, let me bow to your presence.

anyways, I never ever did insult you.. did I? no. I was kind and tried explaining the differences to you. usually, people start with insults when they are proved wrong and they have nothing else to say.
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] j'vai:
lmao...

not insulted,

just working for a nice meeting of minds..

wifi calling, voLTE, voip, all are voice over IP, right, where we spurred, is is what separated them, & all that was, was this carrier's sanctioned IMS core -

(which I believe was political to begin with how sip, & voip was step-children to cellular in the early days) -

http://mobilesociety.typepad.com/mobile_life/2009/11/the-ims-one-voice-profile-some-thoughts.html

you know the funny thing, voLTE speaks sip at the IMS, but it's obfuscated from you, unless you dump the Ip traffic & examine it & pull out those packets for inspection;

everything *current* handsets can provide today, w/o upgrade..
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] simms22:
tmos wifi calling is tmos wifi calling, thats what this thread is about. i understand your ideas and thoughts. and can relate to your ideas and thoughts, but this is the wrong thread for them. thats all ive been trying to say.
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] j'vai:
I know what the thread is about, why is this the wrong thread *for MY thoughts*? -

http://www.androidcentral.com/t-mobile-add-wi-fi-calling-support-its-nexus-6-model-early-2015

do you even KNOW HOW tmobile's wifi calling works / being implemented, or even care?

just want it *to work* huh.. ?

don't think like a script kiddie, think as a developer for a second, to understand the underlying technics?

well, their wifi calling will be implemented the same as their voLTE via the IMS, thru a proprietary sw binary blob, with all the hooks & numbers & bearer info, just like -

http://xdaforums.com/google-nexus-5/help/nexus-5-support-volte-t2489059

if you *understood* my thoughts & ideas* or what may have it, why was this the wrong thread ?
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] InGeNeTiCs:
This thread is slowly turning into the biggest, most annoying pissing contest I've ever seen.

Kill it with fire.
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] KyraOfFire:
It's strange every single time there is a thread of T-Mobile wifi-calling people will start talking about GV. It's like making a thread about Trinity Kernel and get recommendations for Franco. Both works great but instead of being restricted to one choice, having both choice to use whatever I damn please is way better.

That being said, knowing for sure that Nexus 6 is getting wifi-calling, what is preventing a backport to N5 again? Not a loaded question, just looking for knowledge.
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] simms22:
at least the attempt, nothing is preventing a try at least. then we will know if its possible :)
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] zim2dive:
and to ask a simpleton question.. what prevents it from simply being an app which can be downloaded? it requires something which has to work at the OS-level? (and we don't know if that will be included in the general OS?)
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] anactoraaron:
Well considering that according to T-Mobile there will be an ota update to the nexus 6 to add support for WiFi calling I am assuming all nexus phones will get WiFi calling. Because T-Mobile has no control over the ota's for Nexus phones and the nexus devices that they sell are no different than the ones straight from google. I don't see why google would only give it up to the N6 if it's as simple as a software update...
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] simms22:
well, at the momemt, it needs to be part of the framework

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it would be all nexus 6 that would get the update. i guess it would work on whatever network supports it.
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] j'vai:
man I love this *&^%$ -

http://www.howardforums.com/showthread.php/1848342-Nexus-6-T-Mobile-Band-12-700-MHz?p=15622834#post15622834

c'mon L

hurry up & come out, feet 1st, whatever..
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] david279:
Im glad google decided to take this on instead of letter carriers run wild with it
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Toledo_JAB:
I just wanted to thank this thread for having a valid discussion and for not letting it go full flame.

We encourage active discussions and understand that they can sometimes get a little heated, but all good members know the line. :D

~JAB
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] AntikytheraTech:
Thank you for getting this thread back on topic. Its a shame that people are going to have to read through 4 pages of utter BS to get to this point, but glad we are past that....

I cam across this post the other day and it makes some very interesting and compelling points. http://forums.androidcentral.com/go...ely-see-wi-fi-calling-over-t-mobile-soon.html

Has anyone updated to the official release and tried to see if it works yet?
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] simms22:
well, tmo is promising an update to the n6 that make its wifi calling work, hopefully my tmobile bought n5 will get it as well :)
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] AntikytheraTech:
Right but I cannot wrap my head around how they will selectively push OTAs to the Nexus devices running on T-Mo's network.... They are Nexus devices and therefore have no carrier add-ons. So if the feature is enabled by an OTA then that would mean it would come from Le Goog and go to all devices... but the ability to perform "T-Mo Wifi Calling" is a specific function to devices running T-Mo software. It is my understanding that the "T-Mo Wifi Calling" functionality requires kernel additions and modifications that are specific to what the T-Mo network requires. There is no way these kinds of changes would be pushed to Nexus devices, regardless of where the device was purchased (at least in so far as the Nexus 5 is concerned)

Has anyone updated yet and can try it? I plan on updating week after next (over the Thanksgiving holiday) when I have time to tinker.