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[Nexus 6  General] elementaldragon:
Yea... i basically stopped reading after what i put in bold. I'm not comparing the Nexus 6 to the Note 4 "to prove myself right". I'm doing it because it's fact. You compare something to something that's similar to figure out if something is overpriced. I own a Nexus 5, and don't find the price of the Nexus 6 to be over the top. Yes, it's more than the Nexus 5 ever was, but understandably so. You're getting more of a flagship with the Nexus 6 than you were with the Nexus 5.

So we're supposed to look at what they USED to offer, and compare that price to the price of the Nexus 6? Do you also go to a Dodge dealer and ask why the Dodge Challenger SRT Hellcat is $65,000, when the R/T is significantly less "Based on what they sell them for"?

I don't even know why i'm continuing this. If you can't see the reasoning behind the pricing of the previous Nexus devices (Especially for that of the Nexus 5 compared to the LG G2 it was based off of), and the upcoming Nexus 6, nothing i try to point out to you will get through to you.... so I see no point in continuing. Enjoy your delusional world where every phone ever released by any given manufacturer should be priced the exact same as every other phone released by said manufacturer, regardless of what the phone is packing.
[Nexus 6  General] dmunjal:
You missed one point. Previously, Nexus wasn't available by the carriers and had to be sold unsubsidized. Google had to cut corners to keep the price down. Now that the Nexus 6 is available subsidized through all carriers, they can build a world class phone that is more expensive but still less than the competition. Most will buy through carrier subsidy, either with a contract or a zero interest loan.

It's also a tacit admission that Google lost the war to win independence from the carriers and convince all smartphone vendors to sell lower priced unsubsidized directly to the customer. At least in the US.
[Nexus 6  General] Wbroshea:
Probably didn't want to say my bolded part. Now you are comparing the N5 and N6 directly and trying to justify the costs. Since you went down this rabbit hole explain the justification for the costs again. I'd love to hear it. let me guess, specs are higher so it justifies a higher cost. Specs = cost of parts right? Think the N5 costs $250 less for parts at release than the N6? Nope. Maybe Google decided to make more profit on the N6 than the N5? You really should have kept reading.

No, but you analogy is wrong. I would ask why the 2014 Dodge Challenger SRT Hellcat is $65,000 when the 2013 Dodge Challenger SRT Hellcat was $35,000. (obviously I know that wasn't the real price in 2013, but it is the only way to make your analogy work).

Wow, you don't even understand my point. Pricing has nothing to do with it. The business philosophy behind the pricing is my problem with it. Of course I have a problem with people screaming the specs are what justify the price increase when in reality is that Google is just going to make more money per device than before.
[Nexus 6  General] Wbroshea:
You know you are the first to bring this up as a way to cut costs or justify the price. I had thought about it but I'm not sure how this factors into the justifying the cost argument. How exactly does selling through the carriers allow Google to no longer "cut corners to keep the price down" as they could always set the phone price as seen by the N1, NS and the GN. Maybe a claim of increased volume of sales to increase profits. I guess I'm just not sure how this affects the price as a whole. I really am curious as to your thoughts and not facetious. Some further expanding is necessary.

Regardless though, it certainly isn't a spec of the phone, so again the specs don't justify the phone cost as compared to the N5 alone rather the slight increased cost of the phone plus a large portion of the business philosophy change.

Absolutely, which is definitely a main reason I dislike it. I have mentioned this in the other threads as well although I call it a change in business strategy from attempting to buck the contract system.
[Nexus 6  General] dmunjal:
To answer your question, it is Economics 101. Since most buy subsidized, the true cost is hidden. Therefore, Google is free to maximize profits by increasing the cost of the phone.

It's the same reason why Apple can charge so much more for the iPhone 6 Plus than the iPad Air 2 LTE with similar tech. That $450 subsidy makes all the difference.

Other examples of this in the real world:

- Housing with low interest rates subsidized by the Fed last decade

- College education with subsidized student loans

- Healthcare costs because of third party payment system

- My wife when she shops with my credit card
[Nexus 6  General] Wbroshea:
No, no, I understand that. How does the phone being subsidized by carriers help the argument that the specs and build quality alone justify the cost? What I take issue with is when everyone claims that the specs and build quality are the driving factor of price. For Google it isn't. Based on their previous phones the cost is justified by two changes - minimal increase in cost for the specs/build quality and big increase for the desire to make a profit. I think we are talking about two different things here.

Although I do agree, true costs can be hidden in a million more ways, but that doesn't really change my argument that the specs and build quality alone do not justify the cost when compared to Google's recent practice with hardware.
[Nexus 6  General] dmunjal:
Sorry, I misunderstood your question.

But you're right about Google changing their strategy. Maybe they don't want to undercut their partners Samsung and LG anymore? But the specs are still decent for the price compared to most competitors except for the One Plus One.
[Nexus 6  General] elementaldragon:
*sigh*..... why did i bother even trying to reply to your previous delusion. And on that note... why the hell am i even bothering to reply to this one?

In what way did i DIRECTLY compare the Nexus 5 to the Nexus 6? YOU'RE doing that more than i did. You're saying the Nexus 6 is overpriced because the Nexus 5 was only $350. THAT is a direct comparison. Me saying that the Nexus 6 is more of a flagship than the Nexus 5 ever was is NOT comparing 5 to 6. It's comparing phones around the time of the nexus 5, to phones today (around the nexus 6).

Long story short.... YES, the hardware that's crammed into the phone has an impact on the price, and expecting anything else is absurd. You can't expect a phone like the Nexus 6, that's primary target group was aimed straight at those who'd be looking at a phone like the Note 4, to be sold dirt cheap like the Nexus 5 was, because their targeted markets as well as their TARGET SPECS are in completely different leagues.
[Nexus 6  General] force70:
Absolutely.

Nexus 5: budget device

Nexus 6: flagship device

Price is reflected accordingly

They are keeping the n5 avail for people who can't afford the nexus 6 which is great since people can still get a nexus device.

That said its getting annoying all the people now who want the nexus 6 but cant afford it then cry its not the same price as the 5.

Either save up to buy it or stop whining and crying, its not a budget device, wasnt built to be a budget device and isnt going to be sold as a budget device.

Get over it.

sent from Canada via my Note 3, Note 2 or One X+
[Nexus 6  General] LNJ:
This is starting to get very elitist...

So those that complain about the price are poor and those that defend it think its justified cause its a premium device and they can afford it?

HTC One M8
[Nexus 6  General] SenK9:
I don't think you're far off the mark, there has definitely been more than a few 'if you mention the price, you must be poor,, stop expecting freebies' type of comments. I didn't think I'd see those comments outside of iPhone forums. However, it will be sold subsidised, so that becomes less of an issue for many.

Interestingly, on Reddit's survey, it's nearly an even split between non-buyers referencing the price, and the size.

https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1mL...lhMT4pynNPh3BY/viewanalytics?usp=form_confirm
[Nexus 6  General] msal:
Honestly, why is there nearly 40 pages of whining? The price is set in stone meaning that it probably won't change. It is what it is. I understand some people need to let out their frustration out. That's fine and all, but it's getting ridiculous now. All of this useless complaining isn't going to change the price of the device one bit. We're better off spending our time discussing more useful things or, I don't know, just waiting until the device is actually out.
[Nexus 6  General] Wbroshea:
I am not saying that it is overpriced per the market at all. I am saying that the increased cost of the N6 has very little to do with the specs/build quality of the phone. The change in price mostly has to do with Google changing their hardware pricing strategy. Almost NOTHING to do with the internals. They now make profit on the phones vs their earlier strategies.

The Note 4 teardown price was 260. Probably similar for the N6 since relatively similar specs. So unless it cost $10 per phone for the N5 at release, then their has been a change in pricing strategy for Google. I bet in reality the teardown price between the N5 at release and the N6 now is less than $50. So where is all that extra cost go. Oh oh, I know - profit not specs/build quality.

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That's funny. I haven't heard anyone say that can't afford it, nor anyone complain it isn't the same price as the 5.
[Nexus 6  General] elementaldragon:
I'm sorry... but by you talking about how it's overpriced based on the price of past Nexus devices.... aren't YOU technically complaining that it isn't the same price of the Nexus 5?

And you keep spouting "Profits profits profits" as if it's actually only the PARTS that cost money. You know.... as if R&D, manufacture, etc... don't cost a significant amount of money to them as well.

But no.... you're TOTALLY right.... the Nexus 6 only costs $50 more to build than the Nexus 5 did when it came out. I'm such a moron... [/sarcasm]
[Nexus 6  General] mELIANTE:
I don't understand the R&D cost angle. How much could it cost to inflate an existing model (Moto X) and stuff it with the latest specs? Unless you mean the software R&D but, in that case, does the Nexus line now serve the purpose of covering the costs of developing android itself?
[Nexus 6  General] Xperia_Play:
Really? This price is still an absolute steal. Look at other 'phablet' phones on the market with specs like the Nexus 6, it's impossible to find one as cheap as the Nexus 6. They've just upped the specs and screen size a lot and now are asking for a bigger price for the specs they're giving. I will still be purchasing one.
[Nexus 6  General] Goku80:
all honesty if i could afford it i would of gone for it as well...but at this moment of time i got more important things to purchase...:D:D
[Nexus 6  General] Wbroshea:
I am not saying it is overpriced. I am saying that the cost of the specs and build quality is not why the cost of the Nexus line has increased.[/QUOTE]

Have R&D costs increased vs the N5, N4, GN, NS? Those phones all had a base model as well. The N6 is just a bigger moto x play (I think thats right can't remember the new phone for moto coming out with a 5.2" screen). Plus if R&D have increased that still has nothing to do with the internals of the phone, so the extra cost still would not be according to the cost.

First off, I would never call you a moron. I'm more respectful than that. Just like if I am going to respond to a post I would at least give the poster the courtesy of reading the entire post before responding. However, find something that contradicts me. The Note 4 has a bill of materials of 260. The S4 had a bill of materials of 236. The LG G2 (N5 base) has a better processor, bigger battery, bigger screen than the S4. I am sure it has some cheaper aspects too, but the build cost is probably pretty similar. So 236 for the G2 seams pretty reasonable, if not on the low side. Now deduct for the N5's decreased specs, and presumably cheaper, as compared to the N5. Guess what you probably end around. You have anything better to prove me wrong?
[Nexus 6  General] donnyp1:
Its actually cheaper than note 4 and iPhone 6plus

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$27.08 a month on tmobile
[Nexus 6  General] PhantomGamers:
Motorola says it will be $649 here: http://www.motorola-blog.blogspot.com/2014/10/nexus-6-from-google-and-motorola-more.html

But there's some hope that they have it wrong, a few things don't add up to me.

Like the Nexus 5 was more money from T-Mobile than it was from the Play Store, but apparently T-Mobile has said the Nexus 6 will be starting at $27/mo with a 2 year contract, which has it equaling the $649 the play store will supposedly have. Perhaps it will be cheaper. Fingers crossed!

I'm in the same boat though, if the 32GB version IS $649 I will PROBABLY wait for something else.
[Nexus 6  General] emd2009:
So not worth it
[Nexus 6  General] kusi:
$650 I'll pass too..

$650 I'll pass too..

the price is too high.

I had all of them but this one is too much expensive..

sorry google.
[Nexus 6  General] radicalisto:
I for one am glad it's more expensive... Two reasons.

First: It'll be more premium, and build quality won't have been compromised.

Secondly: With a *cheaper* device, means more people can purchase, which also means, people will try anything on them and FUBAR them without worrying. Like the Nexus 5 for example...
[Nexus 6  General] PulseDroid:
I own a Nexus 7 2012, and since this device I've always wanted a Nexus phone, but I always said the Nexus 5 was too old, now after the Nexus 6 is released with a huge screen and un-nexus-like price I'm hugely considering the Nexus 5. Seems this isn't a 'developer's phone' anymore. :crying:
[Nexus 6  General] DarknessWarrior:
doesn't make much sense for it to be $650, since the N5 was so much cheaper on release, almost half the price. Also there's the OnePlus One for $250.

Making it the same price as the Note 4 is a huge mistake imho.
[Nexus 6  General] gtalum:
It's $150 less than Note 4.
[Nexus 6  General] DarknessWarrior:
not here, here there's the note 4 available for 670
[Nexus 6  General] Akr706:
From $350 to $650 is a big jump. Will pass.
[Nexus 6  General] Castro27:
Yeah, for that price I'm way out. Is the Nexus 5 still being sold at the play store?
[Nexus 6  General] qwerty12601:
There was never a compromise in build quality on a nexus device. Nexus 4 had amazing build quality, materials. Nexus 5 had a slight step back in build materials, however build quality was inline with any other android phone. You'll be sorely disappointed if youre looking for some magical build quality on the nexus 6. Look at all the issues with it's little brother, the Moto X.

And the more buyers, the more support, development of accessories, software etc. Your logic on less buyers isn't logical.
[Nexus 6  General] gtalum:
N5 has battery life issues and a terrible camera. There won't be fewer buyers for N6, even at this price point. Nexus has gone mainstream, for better or worse.
[Nexus 6  General] Fulbring:
Nope. Not getting it anymore.
[Nexus 6  General] doctahjeph:
I kind of agree. As someone who prepared to get this phone no matter what, I am hoping the price helps make the pre-ordering a little more smoother. However I understand not many are in the same situation as I am. I am thinking most people will end up getting these through carriers.
[Nexus 6  General] qwerty12601:
Like I said, step back in build materials but not build quality. Camera wasn't terrible, certainly wasn't top of the line. And the battery is small for the device.
[Nexus 6  General] raptir:
It's a fair price for the device, just not what we expected given Google's history.

I'm not sure if I'll be buying it. It's definitely a big step up from the Nexus 5 but the N5 does do everything I need it to...
[Nexus 6  General] mk92595:
The 32gb is. You can get a refurb 16gb one off eBay for $280

Shouldn't Project Volta help?
[Nexus 6  General] Techngro:
$650 is kinda high for a Nexus device. It looks nicely designed and the specs are good, but without expandable storage, i'm gonna be stuck pruning my music, games and video to make sure I don't run out of space. I won't pay that much money for only 64GB of storage. No way.
[Nexus 6  General] Castro27:
That's nowhere near a fair price. Just look at the Oneplus One. Good build quality, top specs and a $350 price tag for the freaking 64gb model
[Nexus 6  General] Schoat333:
Google is a smart company, and they know how to market their products.

I expect them to have this $649 price tag for the launch of the device, and then drop it to $549 or maybe less after a few months. They know they can make money on early adopters, and then gain some more with a price drop.
[Nexus 6  General] force70:
Your assuming too much, im sure there are lots of people who can afford it and still complain about the price. And certainly if you cant afford it hardly makes anyone poor.

Conversely there are probably many who cant afford it and dont complain or will buy it regardless.

It works both ways, and I certainly wouldnt look down on anyone who is less fortunate than myself..not how I was raised thank you very much.

I dont justify anything either....it costs what it costs end of story.

its like complaining about the price of gas..no sense crying about it since you cant do anything about it.

sent from Canada via my Note 3, Note 2 or One X+
[Nexus 6  General] Wbroshea:
That would be a new strategy for Google. As far as I remember Google has not lowered the price of the phone until near the end of its life cycle. It has been a while though since the GN and the N1 so I might just not be remembering the price drops. Also I didn't have the NS so there is a possibility that one dropped in price soon after release as well.

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That philosophy is certain to affect change. If you don't like just don't say anything.
[Nexus 6  General] Schoat333:
They have done it with the Nexus 7. So that's where I was getting the idea from. Doesn't really matter to me. I'll be paying $649 on day one, if I can lol.
[Nexus 6  General] PFKMan23:
I'm not banking on a price drop. The official prices for the M8 Google Play Edition and the Nexus 5 haven't dropped since their release dates, so I'm not so sure Google will be so quick to do it with this one.
[Nexus 6  General] donnyp1:
You may be onto something. Christmas is coming up. The promote the crap out of it for the holidays, the drop the price after first of the year by $50-100
[Nexus 6  General] franatic08:
Seems like the pre-order date and price has leaked for the Netherlands.

Good to see that the dollar price isn't the euro price.

Date is set for 29th of October at a price of €565 for the 32GB version according to belsimpel.nl

Let's just hope play store will also take orders from the Netherlands and that their price will be lower. I understand this price difference isn't uncommon.

No confirmation from Google whatsoever of course.

To be continued...

EDIT:

Pricing is now taken down.

Also, pre-order date is now set for November 3rd.
[Nexus 6  General] rodrigorajao:
At that price, I'd rather get myself a Samsung smartphone with higher res screen, replaceable longer-lasting battery, external SD storage, FM radio, and all the bells and whistles my money can buy.

I can always slap a custom ROM in it when I get sick of TW.
[Nexus 6  General] shulinbao:
yes it's too expensive but i think i still want to buy it. it's a perfect phone
[Nexus 6  General] Schoat333:
At least, you hope you can. You never know with security getting tighter. If the new information about rooting is true, it requires kernel mods in 5.0. Is that possible on a bootloader locked phone?
[Nexus 6  General] fkloznica:
What is the price in Germany play store ? Thanks
[Nexus 6  General] KiaTheKing:
I searched and i didnt found any price for german play store, but in saturn and mediamarkt is expensive :( PARTIZAN ŠAMPION!
[Nexus 6  General] djkinetic:
While 649 is considerably more than the n4 and n5, I will still be preordering the n6. I have no issue with the price tag, it in fact falls in line with other flagships...would be nice if it were priced like the n4/5/OPO but keep in mind at the end of the day Google has a business to run, which means turning profit...People seem to forget that before the n4, previous nexus were rather costly...i remember picking up a galaxy nexus at launch...cost me about 700...so 649 really isnt much of a deal breaker, everyone has just gotten used to the subsidized nexus prices of the last 2 yrs...that said i expect far less ordering headaches this time around.. #winning
[Nexus 6  General] wunderkind:
We Android users are too pampered with wanting our cake and eat it too. Just look at the orchard down the road where isheeps line up for a $649 "Nexus 4" equivalent phone.

I will miss having cake. :p
[Nexus 6  General] Skripka:
If the bootloader is not unlockable you are hosed for root with L. Meaning you're stuck with a forever stock ad-server.
[Nexus 6  General] neyenlives:
Every version of Android I've seen has to run the signed kernel to match the bootloader. The only workaround I've seen is Kexec like on the Galaxy s3 which loaded your custom kernel after the stock kernel had been loaded to satisfy the bootloader. I don't program so if I got that slightly off..... but that's how it was explained to me.
[Nexus 6  General] msal:
^

People are still whining about the price. Come on guys..:confused:
[Nexus 6  General] rodrigorajao:
About rooting with Android L, what if there are options to downgrade newer devices to 4.4.4? I mean, look what happened to the PS3 when Sony removed "Other OS" option, then implemented tighter DRM to avoid homebrew code, which would eventually lead to pirated games, to run on the system. People started downgrading the firmware like crazy, and I have close friends who built businesses around it.

If this Android lockdown really pans out, nothing keeps me from staying at 4.4.4 on my current devices..
[Nexus 6  General] Masteryates:
Totally agree :highfive:
[Nexus 6  General] shadowcore:
You know what the joke is? They, Google and Trolls, claim that its for security reasons.

Laughable....
[Nexus 6  General] abdel12345:
Does anyone know if it's gonna be possible to buy the nexus 6 off contract but with subsidized payments still like through T-Mobile? Would I be able to buy it unlocked and just pay 450 down and then pay the rest at like 25 a month for a year so that way I'll have it all paid off within 8 months. I want to do this without actually using T-Mobile though. Would that be possible or do they only allow this when buying their service with the phone. Because right now I use a really cheap carrier (lycamobile) that has an unlimited talk text and data plan for 23$ a month (only 10 mb at LTE speeds but I'm mostly on Wi-Fi and this price is the best deal you can find so that's not an issue). So i don't want to leave them and pay double the price for a similar plan on T-Mobile

Sent from my LG-VS980
[Nexus 6  General] charesa39:
I've been reading around these forums that you can finance through Motorola if you buy from their website. Though, I'd imagine that also depends on whether you have good credit or not.
[Nexus 6  General] Ulver:
You might as well use a credit card. If you really want, get a card with no interest for a year.

Sent from my Xiaomi Mi4
[Nexus 6  General] djkinetic:
I don't believe so... T-Mobile and Att you have to get the plans although technically not on contact if you get a jump or next plan... I don't think Motorola will be selling the phone on its own store initially so that isn't going to be an option at launch... Short answer just use a credit card if you have one.
[Nexus 6  General] Radixtrator:
YIKES! The german Nexus 6 will cost 650€ for the 32 GB version! Thats 823 Dollars. I will SO not be able to buy this