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[Nexus 7 (2013) General] kindofabuzz:
Ohh that craaazy Google!
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] Bonerock:
They've removed the Nexus 7 from the Nexus site. :(

http://www.google.com/nexus/
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] player911:
Yea that is weird. I noticed that also. I'd say it would be too confusing but they list the 6 and 5... why not a 7 and 9?
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] supersaayuj:
Also they removed our tablet info from.. http://www.android.com/tablets/

No Nexus 7 there...but I think they will still support our device for looong time...hope so!!
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] matcho13579:
That would be a real shame if they stop support the new Nexus 7
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] wire55:
They already said the Nexus 7's would be getting an official update for Android L. So no need to worry.
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] supersaayuj:
We know that bro....just curious!! ^_^

What will happen after lollipop? Will we get that update too?:confused:

Nevermind...:p
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] RKight:
I hate that the new Nexus tablet is so expensive. For $100 more than what the Nexus 9 will start at, I got a 10" Windows 8 tablet (full Windows, not that RT crap) with a real keyboard dock (Acer Iconia w510, for anyone who cares). I'll be keeping my Nexus 7. I will pick up the Nexus 6 on contract, though.
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] kindofabuzz:
http://www.androidauthority.com/nexus-7-2012-lollipop-539116
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] Tophaholic:
I am glad I bought the N7 a few days back. Needed something this size
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] mjones73:
Here's to hoping the price drops, I just got mine last week, I'll head right on up to BB for the difference back. :D
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] matcho13579:
Anybody knows when source code will be online?
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] Dogboy53:
I'm hoping soon it's the 17th now!
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] Zoddex:
Its the 17th now! where is it!? :P
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] darkangeldc5:
http://www.androidauthority.com/android-5-0-sdk-nexus-5-nexus-7-preview-images-540250/
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] IIIIkoolaidIIII:
It's there I'm running it already, available on the Android Developers page.

http://developer.android.com/preview/index.html
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] bobprobert:
sweet beard
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] IIIIkoolaidIIII:
Thanks!
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] jfriend33:
Screen shots from nexus 7 2013?
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] 1c3m4nz:
Deb version of latest preview?

Looks like no Deb version was posted again. *sigh

Anyone got latest preview of Android Lollipop working for Nexus 7 [2013] WiFi+LTE model?
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] @non4:
They really don't give deb any love! Ironic because I don't even use a sim in mine its just the model it happened to be in the catalogue. We only just got 4.4.4 too. Normally I'd be against peoples complaints about updates but this is a nexus device and deserves the same treatment as the flo, hopefully the final version will come promptly to deb
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] gmfirebird:
Apps

I installed Lollipop on my Nexus 7 16gb tablet today. Everything seems to be working smoothly except for a couple of Apps. My Disney Experience and Nexus Media Importer being 2 that I have noticed already. I use the media importer alot coming and going to work on the train. I would like to have the Disney App running because my family and I are going for Christmas. Is this just because of the operating system still being new?
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] matcho13579:
I'm pretty sure that it's happening because of ART
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] mad_hat:
I noticed the game Iron Force was also not working.
[Nexus 7 (2013) General] eksasol:
Just have to wait until the developers update their apps to be compatible with ART.

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[Galaxy Note 4 General] sparhawk6:
Well, the Nexus 6 has been announced. These are in the same category. I have a decision to make.

http://www.google.com/nexus/6/

Unfortunately, we may not get reviews until after our return deadline on the Note 4.

Here is what I see as the benefits when comparing both phones:

Note 4 Benefits

:

Spen

Potentially better camera?

More premium build quality?

Multi-window, which has been improved

Super AMOLED screen

SD Card

Removable battery

Nexus 6 Benefits

:

Stock android, on time system OS updates (and potentially longer support lifetime)

Front facing dual speakers, potentially better?

Cheaper

Better google now hotword support?

Easier to root, unlocked bootloader

Likely smoother, less jitters and stuttering in the UI (some Note 4 reviewers are reporting stutters and jitters)

Cross carrier device, allowing you to jump around carriers, and giving a larger buyer base for resale

Currently unclear

:

Battery life comparisons

Also, check out this error on the Nexus 6 page:

"13MP front-facing with optical image stabilization

2MP rear-facing"

Uh, that doesn't seem right. :)

My biggest concern with the Nexus 6 is the camera, since this is a Motorola made phone. I don't think there is any doubt that the Note 4's camera is better than the Moto X (2014)'s camera. Will that carry over to the Nexus 6?

Let me know if I've missed something in the comparison.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] avenging:
the price is stated at 649 so its not 400 cheaper

never liked motorola screens and no s-pen so you know my answer haha
[Galaxy Note 4 General] sparhawk6:
Where did you see that? Is that confirmed?
[Galaxy Note 4 General] avenging:
androidcentral

Physically, the Nexus 6 looks a lot like the current Moto X, with a front-facing speaker and mic, a metal trim and soft-touch plastic back. The Nexus 6 will come in Midnight Blue and Cloud White, and pricing starts at $649 off contract. The Nexus 6 will be available to pre-order starting late October, with general availability to come in November. Google says it'll be available on contract through AT&T, T-Mobile, Sprint, Verizon and U.S. Cellular.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] 9e705ebbf0:
807

Nexus 6 has Qi wireless charging. http://www.motorola.com/us/Nexus-6/nexus-6-motorola-us.html at the bottom under Battery.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] BarryH_GEG:
It's $649 off contract. Its got no external storage either. She's a big sucker compared to the Note 4...

Nexus 6 - 159.3 x 83 x 10.1 mm (6.27 x 3.27 x 0.40 in 184 g (6.49 oz)

Note 4 - 153.5 x 78.6 x 8.5 mm (6.04 x 3.09 x 0.33 in) 176 g (6.21 oz)

Nexus devices have always had the "right" high-end components. How they hang together and things like how good individual features such as the camera and display are sometimes cause them to fall down competitively. We'll see after some testing's done how well Motorola did.

Competition is good. ;)
[Galaxy Note 4 General] 9e705ebbf0:
It also looks like it's shipping with Moto's Turbo Charger so it should be roughly the same charging as the Note 4. No sign of an SD card though.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] hajyihia:
the NOTE 4 will be better...it has a much better camera, smaller size, s pen, and the history of nexus devices say that the speaker performance are not good...this does have 2 speakers...so i dont know...
[Galaxy Note 4 General] *Emix*:
Too big and ugly design, no thanks.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] sparhawk6:
I saw that on the Nexus 9, but didn't see that on the Nexus 6...

EDIT: I see that now. Removed from the list, as both have it.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] 9e705ebbf0:
It's also worth pointing out that they're both AMOLED screens, although I suspect that the Note 4's will be superior to the Nexus'
[Galaxy Note 4 General] BarryH_GEG:
Do you want the "purity" of something like a Mazda Miata or the "features" of a BMW 3-series convertible? Performance freaks and car guys would pick the Miata. Those more practical and in to convenience would pick the BMW. They're both good handling convertibles but appeal to different people for different reasons. Same thing applies here. The BMW outsells the Miata 15:1 even though it's more expensive BTW. ;)
[Galaxy Note 4 General] 9e705ebbf0:
Well it's a theory that happens to fit the facts. On the product information page I linked it shows a picture of the charger which is identical to the one pictured here. Couple that with the charging speed and I think it's almost certainly the same charger.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] avsquare:
That dual front facing speakers though. Not sure about the audio quality but I really miss the HTC One Max's speakers. IMHO all high end phones SHOULD have that.

Metal rim is a plus.

Now it is a decision over whether to give up S Pen features for Android L + Dual front facing speakers (provided superior audio quality).
[Galaxy Note 4 General] 9e705ebbf0:
For me this just solidified my desire for a Note 4. Yes, the Nexus 6 is an excellent device and it's wonderful to see them upping the specs in the Nexus line (especially when it comes to battery life). But without an SD card it's just a non-starter for me.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] sparhawk6:
Sorry, I meant that the Note 4 has a "Super" amoled screen.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] sparhawk6:
yes, you are right. I made that change.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] BarryH_GEG:
I saw that and wasn't sure it's correct. I wonder who's making the panel? It's not Samsung or their Display Group CEO wouldn't have recently said this...

http://www.cnet.com/news/samsung-is-only-company-buying-subsidiarys-mobile-display-tech/

Going up against Samsung with an inferior AMOLED panel might turn out not to be a great idea on Motorola's part. The Note 4's panel is 14% more power efficient than the N3's 1080P panel. And DisplayMate crowned it "best mobile display" even against the iP6's. That's a tough party to crash.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] 9e705ebbf0:
Aaah yeah sorry about that, I was waiting for the new-users "5 mins between posts" timer to expire and didn't notice you updated your post.

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If it's anything like the Moto X then it'll be a Samsung-made panel made on last year's process (so yes, inferior to the one we'd expect on the Note 4). Samsung do sell panels to other people, just not in volume.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] borijess:
Love the size of the screen but no external sd card is a killer for me. Where am I going t ok put all my Roms and videos.

Sent from the TermiNOTEr 2! ?
[Galaxy Note 4 General] utopiate:
Would of loved the Nexus 6 but I had a suspicion the cost would be higher given the rumours of a 6in qhd display. I think 5.96in is a bit too big aswell, I'm a bit worried about my Note 4's size tbh. I guess we'll see come Friday.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] IBNobody:
The Nexus 6 is also water resistant. Not that it really matters...
[Galaxy Note 4 General] Bruce lee roy:
N6 is a Good thing for Note 4

Good thing is the specs are very similar to the Note, so optimization should be very easy for Samsung.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] mgbotoe:
If the nexus was of a smaller size, would have been perfect. Its wide in weight and tall in heights. Its like the iphone 6plus, and that phone is HUGE. now im debating on simply getting a note 4 for the specs, or the nexus 5 for the lifespam, fluidity and updates
[Galaxy Note 4 General] randpost:
I'm going to get the Nexus 6 when it's available then compare the two in hand and make a decision.

I think it is a very compelling phone on paper, I only hope that it stands up to scrutiny in my hand. I would love to replace my Note 4 with a better phone if that is what the N6 turns out to be for my usage.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] bonebeatz1234:
I was sold on the galaxy edge and note 4 but after google confirmed the nexus 6 I am leaving the note series behind for now. I have a note 3 and Samsung not changing the screen size was a let down for me plus a custom or ported rom would be out with most of the note 4 goodies. When things are too similiar it gets boring and time to change. I enjoyed the lg g2 and the note 3 but I think it's time, I try stock android for the 2nd time around. Pre ordering my nexus asap . I consider this nexus a mans phone big hand people rejoice.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] mikesnav:
I think the fact that no multiwindow features were shown really shows the difference. Note 4 uses its screen well, and its refined multiwindow/multitasking really shine. Plus microSD...
[Galaxy Note 4 General] jasonleb1:
I prefer the larger size and the design of the Nexus but the camera has me seriously worried, especially when the Note's is so good.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] BarryH_GEG:
Specs only tell part of the story. Other things remain to be seen like the Nexus 6's camera performance, display quality, Wi-Fi/BT signal strength, and battery life; the latter can't be compared until the Note 4's on Lollipop. Reviewers saw a 30% battery life improvement between 4.4.4<>5.0 (pre-release) on the Nexus 5 so the Note using the same h/w as the Nexus 6 should benefit +/-30% from where it is now. I don't think anyone questions that specs-wise all the raw ingredients have been there in Nexus devices. But it's component quality and how they're brought together that matters. Let's see how Motorola does.

For example here's what Anandtech said about the Note's Wi-Fi chip. The Note also has BT 4.1 vs. 4.0 on the Nexus 6. So there's "core" specs which have been quoted and underlying specs like NAND provider and speed that usually get revealed after launch.

The Note 4 also happens to be the first shipping implementation of Broadcom's BCM4358 WiFi module that I know of.​

​

People should buy what makes them happy but we're comparing a reviewed phone to one that's a JPEG on a website.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] gabrielgon:
This is actually a lot bigger, if you do the math, not considering the curvature on the nexus back, the size increase is 30% in volume! That's almost 1/3 bigger than the note 4. This thing is gonna be HUGE.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] barondebxl:
I think I might go with the nexus 6. The note is fantastic though and it uses the larger display MUCH better. But android Lollipop stock looks interesting.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] Bruce lee roy:
Interesting Google chose not to go with 64 -bit chip in their flagship device.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] rushless:
Nexus has no sd slot and with games and apps increasing in size and Lollipop taking about 20% more storage due to compression changes, 32gb devices are the new 16gb devices. I choose the device with an sd slot. N4.

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And STILL no sd slot :)
[Galaxy Note 4 General] magichoward:
If they had a 128 memory version it would compete more with iPhone plus... It seems about the same height but bigger screen.. I'll wait for the reviews... I do t use the seen that much. But if it has better battery and good camera it's could be my next phone
[Galaxy Note 4 General] rewjang:
nexus9 come with cpu 64 bit
[Galaxy Note 4 General] pham818:
both got SAMOLED displays but im getting n4
[Galaxy Note 4 General] Toss3:
As mentioned the Nexus 6 is probably using the amoled tech from last year, like the Moto X.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] cathain:
AFAIK the Nexus 6 is only amoled not super which leads me to the question what is the difference between amoled and super amoled?
[Galaxy Note 4 General] herandy:
This is from mobileburn, in short normal AMOLED isn't really usable under direct sunlight :)
[Galaxy Note 4 General] CLARiiON:
Few thoughts about display on Nexus 6.

Not all AMOLED's are born equal. AMOLED displays also have various generations, though not easy to understand unless you compare them side-by-side. (Correct me if I am wrong) The latest panels used in Note4/S5 LTE-A are probably 6G or higher. The display panel used in Moto X 2014 is probably like 5/5.5G used in S4. That would be like 2-gen behind the latest display panels Samsung uses in their current flagship.

Obviously calibration is better in newer generations, but also the efficiency is much better.

The S4 display consumes 27% more power for same area and luminescence.

From Anandtech Moto X review:

As for batterylife, I will be very surprised if it's near Note 4 levels. I will wait for reviews, but I have my doubt based on using Nexus 4 and Nexus 5 for considerable time.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] Basil3:
Why isn't water resistance down as a plus for the Nexus 6? Water resistance and the speakers were the two main gripes that I saw about the Note 4 around here, and the Nexus has nailed both, by the look of it. Makes things interesting.

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[Galaxy Note 4 General] BarryH_GEG:
Because "water resistance" isn't a defined term. An IP rating like the SGS5 and Sony's phones have is worth a "plus."

If IP rating is meaningless you could say Samsung's phones are water resistant too. Without backing it up in any way Motorola's "water resistance" falls in to the same marketing hype category as Apple's "Retina HD" display which has a lower PPI than the SGS5.

From the Moto X II warranty...

As for size. :eek:
[Galaxy Note 4 General] kamiller42:
Someone must be new to the history of Nexus devices. This is so not true.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] sprintuser1977:
Got to have my S-pen, I use it a lot. Right now in fact...

Kicking Deuce on the Beast, Note 3
[Galaxy Note 4 General] Paradox3713:
I know this is going to sound crazy to a lot of people here, but when exactly did screen appearance and camera performance become the deciding factor of what makes a great smartphone? I admit I may be old school but I always thought the important features when picking a phone were Signal Strength/Radio, CPU performance + Memory size and performance, and unlocked/bootlocker access as they effect the overall performance of the phone and what you can use it for? Samsung is expected to have the better looking screen and camera, but what many have forgotten is that Motorola has been and so far always will be the king of signal strength/performance and that has not changed. Pretty screens don't do much if the phone isn't receiving enough signal/data to work with in the first place and I tether like my life depends on it since 90% of the world isn't providing and offering free broadband wifi. Both phones have the same equipment on the CPU, video chip, and memory side so after that point you do have to look at what else is included in the package and in my book signal strength/performance and component efficiency trump screen and camera performance.

Has that changed and if so why?

Motorola has never lagged behind performance wise with regards to signal/data performance. They were just always behind with the size of a lot of components. Now for the first time in years they are matching performance across the board but I don't see them slacking in the one area they have always dominated.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] RXWatcher:
I've ordered and cancelled the Note 4 waiting to see the Nexus 6. It's really hard for me to decide.

1) I live in the sticks but recently got a Verizon Network Extender. I have suffered through a year of really bad Samsung S3 reception. I had to go out in the cold winter to make a call. My wife and kid on Motorolas never had that issue. The network extender should remove that even with a Samsung however its still a concern..internet goes out and I'm screwed. I work from home.

2) I really want the s-pen features..I'm back in college after 30 years in IT and I could probably use them extensively.

3) I'm beyond constantly flashing roms. I did that on a droid incredible and then on the S3 but ended up back on Touchwiz due to the radio being better vs CM.

4) I do detest the locked bootloader and never knowing if I'll ever get root as I'm on Verizon. Just having root would probably be enough.

5) I have concerns that the N4 will have other software issues that wont be addressed in a timely manner..the SD write issue, the possible WiFi issue, etc. This leaves me uneasy.

6) The main things the Nexus would give me: Probably better radio, the ability to have the XDA community correct things, root for ad blocking, etc.

7) The $200 Samsung promo was nice but I figure there will be black friday deals going down too.

I honestly dont know what to do...I really want a phone to last until I can get a Project Ara device as that should be the last device I will need.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] r33fd:
Exynos note 4 vs nexus 6 ?

Nexus 6 and note 4 seem to have very similar specs .

Do you think it's worth to pay more for the 64bit note 4 instead of nexus ?

What do you think audio is going to be like on the motorola dual speakers ?

For me these are the 2 most important difference between them .

Any comments appreciated .
[Galaxy Note 4 General] RXWatcher:
Where is a 64bit Note 4..they are both 32bit CPUs..the same one unless I'm missing something.

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Sorry..I'm an idiot.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] joelteixeira:
You may be not so wrong as you think. The cpu in fact is 64 bits capable but it will be working at 32 bits as Andreilux explained. There's no guarantee at all Samsung will unlock it's 64 bits features.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] Batfink33:
I bought the Note 4 on release last week and its a really great phone but I'm a flash addict and I'm now considering buying the N6 on day 1. In certain aspects such as camera, stylus, multiwindows the Note 4 is better but the N6 is better for custom ROMs, kernels etc. I think they're very evenly technically matched however it really just depends on what you want from your device.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] GoyoNeuff:
I am between these two as well... Nexus 6 will bring this (and Note 4 too, but probably long alone the line, say 6 months to a year later?)...

http://imgur.com/a/qQkkR#24

http://www.androidauthority.com/nexus-5-lollipop-camera-api-samples-540858/

https://github.com/PkmX/lcamera

Cheers,

G.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] CLARiiON:
^^ Raw image support on a 1/3-inch sensor is a joke.

It's a mobile phone, I shouldn't need to process the images in Lightroom or something else. The stock firmware should be good to provide me decent photos out of the box. Do you know what percent of people would be interested in RAW phone from a mobile phone? I doubt more than 1% of the population will even bother to check what is a RAW image.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] MattLangley:
Sticking with Note

I think the Nexus 6 is an impressive phone and a great Nexus device to exist; however I still am sticking with the Note 4 (or possibly the Note Edge)... some random thoughts:

1) Size

I think Samsung was smart to stick with 5.7" and not significantly increase the form factor. I think there is in fact a limit on what even large phone users want to carry around or handle and the Nexus 6 is a bit too big.

2) Screen

Considering that the Moto X's AMOLED screen was pretty sub-par (not bad, just not up to the snuff of the best screens out there right now being 1) Note 4 2) iPhone 6+ ) I'm not expecting it to be better than the note screen... and let's be honest screen quality goes a long way. I think Apple had it right with the first "retina" (horrible name though) screen and really made people realize high ppi good quality screens make a difference

3) Speakers

I wish the note 4 had dual front speakers =/ Or at least some sort of stereo side speakers. With that said I won't choose a phone for this, I can just buy a good portable bluetooth phone speaker that will be 100x better anyways if it's that important.

4) S-pen... The note 4 will be my first note, though I've nearly bought every single version. I really am looking forward to the pen.

5) All the note specific features. I mean I'm still watching youtube videos on all the hidden features in the Note. I *love* that... I can ignore most of them if I want or I can dig in and increase my productivity massively if needed.