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[Nexus 6  General] cb474:
I guess whether or not it's necessary is somewhat of a subjective question. The reality is Apple's whole "retina" claim starting with the iPhone 4 is completely bogus (and based on some bad assumptions--or shall we say self-serving assumptions--about how people hold their phones). Screens have to be way higher in resolution before you can't see the pixels.

I think QHD on a screen the size of the Nexus 6 screen, starts to get you into the ballpark of a real "retina" display--the Nexus 6 is 493 PPI, the iPhone 4, 5, and surprisingly 6 are 330 PPI, the iPhone 6+ is 400 PPI.

Although some say that for a phone (a screen viewed from 12" away) you have to get all the way up to 950 PPI, before you reach the limits of the human eye. See: http://www.cultofmac.com/173702/why-retina-isnt-enough-feature/.

Of course, at what point do we not care anymore? To me, there's an argument for higher PPI than the iPhones. When I Iook at them I have no trouble seeing the pixels. To have a screen where everything appears truly fluid and seamless seems nice. Of course, the trade off is battery life. But I don't think it's for no reason that screen resolutions keep going up.
[Nexus 6  General] mark2410:
oh im sorry i thought we were to say what we individually felt was worse.

the point of android is that you can get what hardware suits you, big, small premium, dirt cheap and so on.

so i personally do give flying F if other people want to throw money at apple. any more than i care that most of the world would consider it insanity to pay £2 for a bottle of water when i have unlimited, clean and free water that comes out of a tap.
[Nexus 6  General] cb474:
That's right, the intention of the thread and poll is to ask people individually which they feel is worse, the screen size on the Nexus 6 or the higher price (compared to the pricing on the Nexus 4 and 5). And I threw in a jokey option for people who aren't bothered by the size or price.

Before the phone came out, but was heavily leaked, there was a lot of unhappiness about the size expressed. When the phone was first announced people were surprised by the change in pricing strategy and that also generated a lot of complaints. The question came up in another thread regarding which thing had a more negative reaction. So I created this thread to try to get a sense.

Subsequently someone also pointed out a poll at Reddit on the same question that is probably better done and has a couple thousand replies. I already linked to it earlier in this thread, but here it is again:

Poll:

https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1mLrlUA7RrwTE7n5_E0u3Kk9bD93QclhMT4pynNPh3BY/viewform?usp=send_form

Poll Results:

https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1mL...lhMT4pynNPh3BY/viewanalytics?usp=form_confirm

Thread:

https://www.reddit.com/r/Android/comments/2jdr40/meta_nexus_device_poll_for_randroid/

Interestingly in that poll, with many more responses, the objection to size and price has remained about even. Whereas in this thread the poll shows the objection to the price being a little higher. Probably just reflects something about XDA members vs. Redditers (we're a bunch of cheapskates?).

What more interesting in the Reddit poll is that it asks people if they plan to buy the Nexus 6 and if not, why not. 58% of respondents say they won't buy it and of those more than two thirds say they won't buy it because the the size or price (rather than because they're happy with their current phone, not looking to buy, etc.). Of the remaining respondents only 15% plan to buy the phone and the other 27% are in a wait and see mode. If you break it down, this seems to show that 4 out of 5 people who would have bought a new Nexus device, will not buy the Nexus 6 because of the size or price. That's pretty astonishing.

Of course, this is a non-random poll, so it could be totally bogus. But it will be interesting to see how Google's sales numbers go. Of course they could pick up all sorts of new customers, who weren't interested in the Nexus at all the past, but like phablets. So that 4 out of 5 may not be relevant to ultimate sales. It does however, perhaps, say something about the level of disappointment amongst existing Nexus enthusiasts.
[Nexus 6  General] tkoreaper:
Image is to scale. Height difference between the N6 and the iPhone 6 is 1.2mm which is approximately the thickness of a CD/DVD
[Nexus 6  General] SenK9:
For what it's worth, here are the rough numbers:

Nexus 6 has 7.3% larger frontal area/footprint than iPhone 6+

Nexus 6 occupies 20.76% larger physical volume/space than iPhone 6+

You can draw your own conclusions based on that, I'm just dropping numbers.

Assumptions used in calculation:

* Nexus 6 curved back is included, edge taper is calculated at 0mm instead of 3mm, negligible

* iPhone 6 profile is rectangular, without rounded edges, negligible

* My maths could be wrong, I'm no expert, feel free to double-check
[Nexus 6  General] Sentrix27:
The size is great, and the price for the flagship specs are fair and on par.
[Nexus 6  General] cb474:
I'm not sure in what way your post is a response to my post. I was talking about the width of the Nexus 6 being significantly greater than that of the iPhone 6+. It's 5mm (or half a cm) wider. The way you posted the images of the two phone overlapping (covering part of the iPhone) occludes this difference. I think the width of the Nexus 6 will make feel very different, and much bulkier, in the hand.

I was also responding to a photo posted earlier in the thread comparing the Nexus 6 to the iPhone 6+ in a case. The case makes the iPhone look taller and just as wide as the Nexus 6, which was not useful for making size comparisons.

Also, as SenK9 points out the Nexus 6 occupies 20% more volume than the iPhone 6+, so this certainly suggests it will feel a lot beefier in the hand.

Lastly, I don't see what this has to do with the screen to surface area ratio and PPI numbers you posted. (Yes, you get more screen. It's also a bigger phone. And I think Apple has clearly chosen to keep resolutions lower, because it improves battery life. iPhones have always had industry leading battery life. That's a choice they've made over other possible features. And, by the way, I'm not trying to sing the praises of the iPhone. I don't like Apple and their products, for many reasons.)
[Nexus 6  General] donnyp1:
No problem with price. Size may seem a bit big, I'm only 5'8" tall. But I can palm a basketball so I think I can handle the phone. Its a premium nexus. My biggest concerns owning several of these phones has been battery and camera. Seems like that's been addressed. I'll Be using my T-Mobile jump as soon as I get the email saying its on its way.
[Nexus 6  General] ekerbuddyeker:
Price is high, but significantly less than the note 4
[Nexus 6  General] hello00:
the size is huge..and so are the bezels..they should at least made it like the g3
[Nexus 6  General] Q.Entity:
The size is exactly what I wanted. The price is in line with all other so called flagships.

I wish they had a 128 GB version or an SD card...
[Nexus 6  General] patrick.jr.m:
Because of the size i think I wouId need to hoId it in my hands to see how i Iike it.

But the price is defeneIy more then I acspected. WiII be some sIeepIess nights to know if I want one or not. :D
[Nexus 6  General] oneplus:
Damn...
[Nexus 6  General] shigga:
Lol to big. This thing is a child sized phone next to my Z Ultra ;)
[Nexus 6  General] cb474:
Thanks for the photo. Man, just when I start to delude myself into think maybe the size is halfway reasonabe, that photo really beats me over the head with how enormous it is.

It is a lot smaller, but look at the two next to each other:

http://www.phonearena.com/phones/si...-Nexus-6,Sony-Xperia-Z-Ultra/phones/8626,7883

There's not that much more screen space on the Z Ultra, than the Nexus 6. 6.4 inch screen vs. 5.96. But the device is way bigger. Sony does a terrible job on the bezels. I guess that's what allowed them to make the device so thin. But is it worth it?
[Nexus 6  General] mediaman123:
the size for me is neither her nor there.............in fact I am quite excited about it...........I use an S4 currently and I use 2 hands all the time, like all the time...........

I voted price as it is considerably higher than previous models............but its not going to stop me.............but I am sure it will stop a lot of others, at least straight away anyway..........:(
[Nexus 6  General] fkloznica:
The size.. Waiting for nexus whit s810 or htc m9
[Nexus 6  General] abdel12345:
Price, not because I don't think it's not fair it's defintley worth it but it's gonna drain me to get this :(. Im going to sell my tablet and current phone to get it that'll help make it as if I'm only paying around 300 for it. I guess it kinda balances out though since instead of getting an expensive laptop like my brother I'm just gonna get a Chromebook (plus he got a z2)

That way maybe I can keep my tablet:o

Sent from my LG-VS980
[Nexus 6  General] fix-this!:
Same.
[Nexus 6  General] Schoat333:
Neither are a problem. This phone is the size and price I expected.
[Nexus 6  General] CrashTestDroid:
I'd be disappointed if it were smaller. Sick of the baby-handed whiners beaking off about OPO, Notes and now the Nexus 6.
[Nexus 6  General] shigga:
6.4 to 6 is a pretty noticeable difference to me. I have a lumia 1520 that has a 6" screen. I also have a moto x 2014 that seems way to small after carrying the ultra around for a year. I'll probably end up getting the N6 as I find the 6" on the 1520 a good compromise between the moto and the ultra. Plus N6 should be a bit smaller then the 1520 housing wise.
[Nexus 6  General] Semantics:
Size. Price sucks, too. Put an Otterbox on it and it'll be like carrying around a VCR tape. It's like holding the Nexus 7 up to your face and talking on it, it looks ridiculous. Phablets are dumb, IMO.
[Nexus 6  General] cb474:
Yes, 6.4" is definitely not a trivial difference from 6". But if you look at the Z Ultra side by side with the Nexus 6, you can see that most the the size difference with the Z Ultra is because of it's huge bezels, not because of the somewhat larger screen. So the Z Ultra would be a significantly smaller if it had the design of the Nexus 6, even with the 6.4" screen. That's all I was pointing out. Sony doesn't do a good job with bezels, I don't know why.
[Nexus 6  General] cb474:
Yes, everyone who fails to share your preferences is a "whiner." I don't know why it's so offensive to so many people that some people value different things than they do. It's pretty weird (and childish) to be completely intolerant about something as trivial, in the grand scheme of things, as differing preferences for smartphone sizes. If some people like phablets, more power to them. But it should not be hard to understand that many people (in fact the vast majority of the global market) prefers smaller phones and find phablets impractical for their purposes.
[Nexus 6  General] Semantics:
Yeah, not all of us want to look like an R Tard holding a tablet up to our faces when we talk. Shame on us.
[Nexus 6  General] iobling:
I'm going with the price too, it's really to much for a phone to me, especially in italy, even for its amazing specs. A 5.5 screen would be better too and maybe could have helped reducing the price too
[Nexus 6  General] shadowcore:
I have the z ultra and i like its bezels. A phone with no bezels is like a picture without a frame. For that reason, I find bezelless phones about as enticing as a dog sniffing its own arse.

Besides, bezels help the phone intergrity and durability.

No comment...
[Nexus 6  General] Skripka:
Putting an otterbox on any device makes it like carrying around a VCR tape. Solution? Use a case other than otterbox.

Duh.

Maybe you should consider that 99% of smartphone usage revolves around not having it "up to our faces when we talk".
[Nexus 6  General] Q.Entity:
Indeed. I got a Z Ultra when they first came and it ended as a home tablet. The size for the N6 seems perfect. Maybe Sony will workout the bezels for the Z4. I was disappointed that the Z3 was not at least a 5.5...

Price is not an issue for me. However, I think all these phones are overpriced.
[Nexus 6  General] razortaz18:
The price doesn't bother me at all. I've always purchased flagship phones and at full retail price. (unlimited data on Verizon). My concern is with the width of the phone. I don't big phones. I've carried the first three Notes. But this Nexus is W I D E.
[Nexus 6  General] Tommy-Geenexus:
After a long struggle i'll get a Z Ultra rather than a N6.

Fast enough, big screen, waterproof and only 250€.

Word.

Also the gpe edition receives nexus-like updates.
[Nexus 6  General] fix-this!:
yeah the phone is a brick as is.

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thats why im sticking to my m8. it will get android L in a few weeks. well at least the gpe roms.
[Nexus 6  General] shigga:
You may want to get the non gpe version and just flash the gpe rom. Theres more rom support for the sony versions if thats your thing. Sold my first one I paid $800 for the non LTE version and just bought the LTE version last month for $330. To good a deal to pass up. You could also wait a couple months for people to start dumping their N6's on craigslist. Should be able to get one for like $500 or so then.
[Nexus 6  General] Tommy-Geenexus:
Yeah ofc, the gpe isn't available here in germany ;).

I'll see if i can help porting gpe roms (i only have experience in building kernels).
[Nexus 6  General] SurlyGnex:
A nexus phablet is an awesome idea. Price is more than reasonable considering the specs. Nexus 6 is comparably equipped to the Note 4; the difference is the Nexus 6 is about $200 cheaper. People complaining about the price only show they lack perspective.

"Oh teh noes!!!! N6 won't fit in my skinny jeans! LOL"

Google will listen to dollars. Vote with your wallets and stop cluttering up the interwebs with your personal "OMG Google is the devil for not giving me what I want for the price I was expecting" crusade.

/rant

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One can offer up differing opinions in a rational, adult way. It's when one does so with an air of entitlement and a self righteous attitude that others perceive it as whiny. I'm all for differing opinions. It's how you express them that matters.
[Nexus 6  General] bp328i:
Neither
[Nexus 6  General] Semantics:
You know what percentage of stats that are cited are made up on the internet? You pulled 99% out of your behind.

Duh, I should be able to use the case I want, and not have to hide the fact that I have a 10lb rock in my pocket. I'm pretty sure you can't buy an Otterbox for Nexus 6 anyway, they didn't support the 5 when I had it.
[Nexus 6  General] Skripka:
The carriers agree with me. Why else do you think most smartphone plans in the USA have unlimited talk?

Because most people don't spend much time actually talking on their smartphone. They're data consumption devices (mobile internet terminals), not speech telecommunications devices (phones). Hell if you watched and compared your own screen-on time and talk time stats your own personal data would agree with my assertion, which is that the overwhelming majority of smartphone usage is NOT using it as a phone.

And who cares if you look stupid. People look stupid with any phone or BT earpiece next to their ear.

You want to talk about made up numbers. A Nexus 6 weighs 180 grams. Which is about 0.4 of a pound in old money. Your 10 pound "brick" worry is only off by a factor of 20x. You should be proud, you mis-overestimated by a

factor larger than that of the Manhattan Project

(+/- a factor of 10).

Your sour grapes sound just like this zinger of a review of the Note 1:

http://bgr.com/2012/02/13/samsungs-galaxy-note-is-the-most-useless-phone-ive-seen/
[Nexus 6  General] Wbroshea:
Most hilarious post of the day. Impressive to claim that people can offer opinions in a rational, adult way without a sense of entitlement and a self righteous attitude, but then actually fail to follow your own advice in the exact same post.

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My screen on time so far today is 1 hour 24 minutes with 31 minutes of talk time. So I think that makes my personal number ~35% for talk time for today only of course. I know this is shocking but lots of people actually use their phones as phones.
[Nexus 6  General] SurlyGnex:
Those were two different posts you quoted. You must be confusing the satirical response to whiners in my first post for genuine self righteousness.

As I mentioned in my second, more serious post, people can absolutely offer differing opinions in a non-snotty way. When they don't though, I'm going to call them on it. It just may be in a sarcastic way to make the point more memorable.
[Nexus 6  General] toanau:
Size is the worst. Price is reasonable. We have been spoiled

SlimKat or SlimPop
[Nexus 6  General] ricey1986:
Why are they both seen as negatives?? Can't wait for the extra real estate and don't mind paying for the extra so long as the device feels premium
[Nexus 6  General] dr.m0x:
After carrying around a note 3 in an Otterbox for the better part of a year, I'm pretty sure I can deal with the size

Mmm bacon
[Nexus 6  General] hack14u:
Price is on par with other phones I have bought. I always pay cash outright so no big deal, but 6 is too big for my tastes. I had a 1520 and it was a beast. My G3 if it ever gets back from LG is right on the fringe. M8 is about perfect, maybe 5.2 would be my sweet spot for screen size.
[Nexus 6  General] _MetalHead_:
If 5.2" is your sweet spot, then look no further than the new Moto X. It is identical in looks to the Nexus 6, but has a 5.2" screen. Seeing as though you always pay full price, you can get the Pure Edition for $550 which has zero bloatware and an unlockable bootloader. Because it runs stock Android with just a couple very useful features added in, it is every bit as good as a Nexus, better even IMO. Not to mention that Motorola is great with updates and it'll likely get L within a couple weeks after it's released, if not sooner. I've had mine since Wednesday, and I like it more and more each time I pick it up.
[Nexus 6  General] cb474:
Um,

1) I don't know why you made your comments about self righteous posts, in response to a post of mine, in which I was responding to someone else who was being self righteous and childish and unable to express his or her preference for phablets without denigrating those who don't like them as "whiners."

2) As Wbroshea already said in respone to your post, the second half (about being adult and not self-righteous) is a bit bizarre, after the first half of your post in which you self-righetously mock people concerned about the pocketability of the Nexus 6 in a chidlish and irrational manner.

*

I agree that the 2nd Gen Moto X is a good alternative for those of us who are concerned about the size of the Nexus 6. But I wouldn't present them as simply different sizes of the same things.

First of all, the Nexus 6 has quite a few hardware upgrades over the 2nd Gen Moto X. It has a newer, faster chipset. Its camera has OIS. It has stereo speakers. It has a newer somewhat (maybe only slightly) better camera sensor. It has a 64 GB option. On the downside, we don't know yet if the Nexus 6 has the four microphone noise cancellation found in the 2nd Gen Moto X.

Second, I really don't agree that the 2nd Gen Moto X is "every bit as good as a Nexus," in the sense that there will probably be no development for the 2nd Gen Moto X (just there was not for the 1st Gen Moto X). Of course, Nexus devices always get by far the most development. So for anyone who is into custom ROMs and hacks, a Nexus device is not only the best choice, but the 2nd Gen Moto X is one of the worst choices (other phones like Galaxy S phones get a lot of development, but the Moto X in the past has just been ignored).

I am considering the 2nd Gen Moto X myself, over the Nexus 6, because of the size and depending on the deal with noise cancellation on the Nexus 6, but I don't think they are really equivalent devices. The Moto X is very nice, but it does come with sacrifices relative to the Nexus 6. On balance, I think, more sacrifices than the other way around (screen size notwithstanding).
[Nexus 6  General] _MetalHead_:
I never said they are just different sizes of the same thing, I just said that the X is a great alternative if the N6 is too big. The N6 definitely has a few hardware upgrades, no question. But some of those upgrades won't matter to some people. For one, I couldn't care less about the camera, as I don't take a lot of pics. And for the pics I do take, the camera on the new X is more than adequate. It's not about to replace a point and shoot, but keeping in mind that it is a camera on a phone, it's pretty damn good.

The newer chipset in the N6 is not THAT much faster- the 805 uses slightly more efficient krait 450 cores vs the 801's 400s, and it has an adreno 420 vs the 801's 330, which would show an amazing boost in graphics performance if the N6 had a 1080p screen, but since it has a QHD screen, I don't expect there to be much gain, if any at all. Performance between the two will likely be very similar, just as performance between the 800 and 801 (N5 and Moto X) is very similar. On paper, the upgrades look great, but in actual use, the upgrades don't translate to incredible performance gains. It's not like the old days where every new flagship was twice as fast as the one that came before it. The phrase of the day is diminishing returns. I stopped caring about specs long ago, when the original Moto X proved to me that you don't have to have the latest and greatest chipset to provide an incredible user experience. The N5 wasn't that much faster/smoother/etc than the original Moto X, and the new Moto X isn't that much faster/smoother/etc than the Nexus 5. I have all three sitting in front of me and it doesn't matter which one I take with me for the day, they are all fast.

When I say it's every bit as good as a Nexus, I am referring to how it is out of the box- Same manufacturer, same design and build quality, same software (once the X gets L which will be very soon), same unlocked bootloader, etc... Development for me at least, is of no concern. With the exception of the L preview I just flashed on my N5 via MultiROM last night, I haven't flashed a ROM in years. I don't find any joy in constantly tinkering with my phones anymore. I get them to the point where they work great for me and I leave them alone. Heck, my original Moto X is still on 4.2.2 (if it ain't broke, don't fix it). I like the Nexus line because they run stock Android, not because I can flash every ROM under the sun. And the Moto X runs stock Android, with the added benefit of Motorola's amazing features that the Nexus line is starting to include (Active display, voice control). All that said, sure, there won't be crazy development for the Moto X, but some people don't really care. And for those that don't care about development, the Moto X is a great alternative to the N6.

All this is of course my opinion.
[Nexus 6  General] tyvar1:
I think the price and size is perfect! Its cheaper than note 4 and also bigger screen size! So this is really going to be my new phone!