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[Nexus 6  General] digitheatre:
Nexus 6 vs Note 4 video test comparison

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f2hzKgYDfXE

Nexus 6 vs Iphone 6 plus video test comparison

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nb401ugrp1k
[Nexus 6  General] msal:
DXOMark's camera review:

http://www.dxomark.com/Phones/Googl...andset-storms-in-to-the-DxOMark-Mobile-top-10

Things are looking good! :fingers-crossed:
[Nexus 6  General] thatdudebutch:
To those talking about screen calibration, I would have to believe the king of calibration, Supercurio - will surely have his way with this device. :cool:
[Nexus 6  General] OTSS:
The Nexus 6 absolutely destroys the Note 4 in that test...
[Nexus 6  General] cb474:
The DxOMark "ratings" are complete nonsense. It's just a contrived system, which does not accurately reflect the quality of different cameras and which they post to draw traffic to their site and promote their software.

The fact that the Nokia 808 is rated 7th and the Nokia 1020 11th, when they are by a huge margin the best camera phones ever made, demonstrates the meaninglessness of the DxOMark ratings. The idea that the Nexus 6 with a 1/3 sensor (ranked 6th) is better than the Nokia 808 with a five times larger 1/1.2 sensor is beyond stupid. Thoes Nokia phones have repeatedly been demonstrated to be years ahead of anything else that exists. The Sony Experia Z2 and Z3 are also rated better, even though they have consistently been found to produce underwhelming results in serious photography reviews.

It is also ridiculous that DxOMark thinks they can make a bunch of numerical technical measurements of a camera and rank how good it is. In addition, a lot of their "numbers" appear to just be subjective judgements, to which they've assigned numbers. That's just made up hand waving masquerading as objectivity. It has nothing to do with real world results and comparing cameras in the hands of a professional photographer.

What's more, the DxOMark testing methodology is not-transparent, but what is known about it has been shown to favor some manufacturers over others. That is, they measure things in a way that allows certain camers to rank higher, but does not reflect the actual results of the real images the cameras produce. Here's an explanation of some of the technical failings of the DxOMark "rankings": http://www.dslrbodies.com/newsviews/do-you-believe-in-dxomark.html

In the end, DxOMark is just a bunch of PR fluff. It is the worst source to use to evaluate the quality of different cameras. It's easy to fall for the idea that you can just put a number on a camera, but that is not a serious way to evaluate photography. Wait for more serious photography sites to review the Nexus 6 camera. The reviews and information the appears instantly the day the camera is released are mostly not going to be the best ones. It takes time to do a serious analysis of a phone's camera.

Again, I think the camera in the Nexus 6 will probably turn out to be fine, for most situations. On a par with other current flagships. But it is not the amazing greatest thing ever that bogus sites like DxOMark want to make it out to be.
[Nexus 6  General] ggreenwood334:
Have you been taking pictures with the nexus 6?
[Nexus 6  General] jaggrey:
Does the Nexus 6 not have slow motion video?
[Nexus 6  General] Nitemare3219:
Doubt that is real. There's no way the Note 4 would look that bad. Go look up some real 4K video samples of the Note 4. It's phenomenal.
[Nexus 6  General] msal:
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[Nexus 6  General] weeeezzll:
I've been wondering the same thing. The Nexus 6 uses Sony's IMX214 CMOS, and according to Sony's website it's capable of "HDR video imaging (full 30 frame/s, 4K 30 frame/s, 1080p 60 frame/s)". Does this mean that the 30frame/s is a software limitation? :confused: Wonder if the new Camera2 API will allow an app to enable 60frames/s?

http://www.sony.net/Products/SC-HP/new_pro/april_2014/imx214_e.html
[Nexus 6  General] io53:
Most likely. But since that was the case with the N5 also, I doubt that Google will be adding support for it.
[Nexus 6  General] alitech:
How do I get the camera2 api? My phone is not rooted btw
[Nexus 6  General] tonystarkd:
it looks like the focus during movement, is quite good!
[Nexus 6  General] The-Last-Hylian:
Took this yesterday afternoon. It has been touched up slightly to reduce the poor contrast using the software in Google Photos.

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[Nexus 6  General] bassil2022:
Anyone hungry?!
[Nexus 6  General] jbdan:
I am now! Yum
[Nexus 6  General] gavinfabl:
Some great natural looking photos in this thread. But too much chat .... please more of your camera shots :) From what I have seen the Nexus 6 cam looks good.
[Nexus 6  General] lordhamster:
Damn you. I'm 7 days into a Vegan diet (new years resolution). I'd give my left kidney for that burger.
[Nexus 6  General] alitech:
How the hell do you put camera2 api on my non rooted phone
[Nexus 6  General] hawken84:
Nexus 6 Samples

All three photos taken in HDR+ mode with no flash or any settings changed. The outdoor shot was in a very foggy and dark morning, the shot with my two friends was in daylight indoors, and the food shot was inside with apartment lighting, relatively low light.
[Nexus 6  General] alitech:
I sold my phone. The camera is not great despite me trying really hard to like it. And the battery life is another problem. Bye bye nexy
[Nexus 6  General] EvoRocker:
Took this using L Camera, very impressed!

Lighting wasn't exactly ideal, but after adjusting some settings I was able to get this.
[Nexus 6  General] dtroup64:
Sea smoke on the water with this morning's neg. 7 degrees...
[Nexus 6  General] funcrusher:
So this is the picture thread now? Jeez, gen is a mess.
[Nexus 6  General] DevilDogAK:
Read the title of the thread
[Nexus 6  General] Andromjb:
Here's a bunch of random pictures I've taken with my Nexus 6.

50 total.

http://imgur.com/a/zJYJX
[Nexus 6  General] funcrusher:
I was alluding to the fact that there's like three different threads in General which people are posting pics, including a troll thread that should have been closed at its inception.
[Nexus 6  General] dtroup64:
Agree fully. Be nice to merge the two picture threads... and close the Nexus 6 Camera Sucks thread.
[Nexus 6  General] PewPewK:
This sounds promising, I guess we'll see once the device is in people's hands and we can get more direct head-to-head comparisons. I'm definitely not down on the Nexus 6 for its camera, I think everything else in the device is absolutely top-notch and am looking forward to picking one up.
[Nexus 6  General] Master Ramy:
So I asked a senior T-Mobile exec on twitter who has a Nexus 6 unit, presumably the closest one to production, if he would post full res pictures taken with it, and he has agreed to do so over the next week! Let's keep an eye out, because the samples here were not anywhere near full res.
[Nexus 6  General] raazman:
Well I'll be on the lookout for this. Thanks!
[Nexus 6  General] qwerty12601:
So much for the $649 price justification. Another mediocre camera in a nexus device, Cost justification slowly dwindling...
[Nexus 6  General] Jfree3000:
I'll be that guy, it's a cell phone what are you expecting from its camera. It's like one of the previous posters stated, phone companies have gone to good enough for me attitude and focused on making thinner phones. I don't expect much from any phones camera.

Edit: clicked the link and the photos are gone now. Real good source.
[Nexus 6  General] ggreenwood334:
There is a hands on comparison of the nexus 6 and note 4 on YouTube. He doesn't show the pictures or software. But he did say the not had a slight edge and nex6 was better at night with that flash. Don't know if he is a camera expert or not. And I can't say if the note 4 has a good camera. Lol
[Nexus 6  General] gtg465x:
Dude, you're completely disregarding the camera software and image processing. It plays a HUGE role. Even two phones with the same sensor can produce wildly different results. If the low level camera software doesn't calibrate color output well, or set ISO and shutter speed correctly, or choose the correct white balance, or doesn't apply good sharpening and noise filters, or has terrible HDR algorithms, the camera is going to suck, regardless of the sensor. On the other hand, if the software algorithms, controllers, and processing are all top notch, it can make a phone with a crappy sensor take pretty good pictures. Yes, all manufacturers these days use similar sensors, but they also all have wildly different imaging software driving those sensors. Apple, Samsung, Nokia and LG have the best imaging software by far. HTC, Google, Sony, and especially Motorola are all way behind on that front, and that is the main reason no one likes their cameras, not because of the sensors they use, which are typically just as good (or even better in Sony's case).
[Nexus 6  General] cb474:
I didn't ignore that at all. I already wrote about it not far above, if you read the thread. Someone asked how much software matters and I wrote:

So I think you're just way overdetermining the importance of software.

As I've said throughout this thread (again if you read it) is that all these phones with 1/3 sensors fall more or less in a range that's much more similar than people like to admit. They are all relatively mediocre. You can only do so much with software. In tne end, a well calibrated phone with a 1/3 sensor will never be as good as a well calibrated phones with a 1/2.5 sensor, like the Galaxy S5, which is why in fact, no phone out there is as good as the S5 at photos. You can certainly screw up a sensor that size, like in the Xperia Z2 and Z3, and not get results any better than many phones with 1/3 sensors. But that's just a screw up. When you do it right, you're a different class. This is why even the five year old Nokia N86 with a 1/2.5 sensor is still better than every phone camera out there in non-niche phones, except maybe the Galaxy S5. And this is why no phone, not even the S5, can touch the four year old Nokia N8 with a 1/1.8 sensor, so say nothing of the even better Nokia 808 with its 1/1.2 sensor and the Nokia 1020 with it's 1/1.5 sensor. Those last three phones are simply in a class years beyond all other phones.

So my point with the 1/3 sensors is that the phones that have them produce photos a lot more similar than people think. They fall in a range of medicority, wherein software can only do so much. And this will never change, until manufacturers move to larger sensors--which they don't want to do, because then phones couldn't be so thin.

The only other really important factor, currently, is OIS, which can improve low light photography on any phone, as well as stability in videos.

(All that aside, I do think that video has improved on phones in terms of resolution and frame rates, driven mainly by the possibility of more powerful processors. But that has pretty much reached it's meaningful limit--4K video is just a gimmick in a world where no one has a monitor or television that can display that level of resolution. And color accuracy, low light photography, noise, etc., are still going to be limited by the sensor size, even in video.)
[Nexus 6  General] gogol:
I saw this photo from the new Moto X 2014. I think it's quite good, no?

So, I have high hope with the

Nexus 6

, because it

has better senso

r than the new Moto X 2014.

Photo Link

But, I agree, the samples from the first post are ... not good.
[Nexus 6  General] jasonleb1:
I have a very hard time beleiving that came from a Moto X without heavy editing.
[Nexus 6  General] ECrispy:
Have you seen the pics produced by Note 4, iPhone 6? They are frankly amazing and a few years ago you'd need a $500 camera to match those. This is a premium Nexus and we expect no compromises. There are no 'but it's cheap' excuses this time.
[Nexus 6  General] Biggster:
That's in daylight which most flagship phones excel. It should be an entirely different story in low light.
[Nexus 6  General] ECrispy:
Phone camera is judged on 4 things -

1. picture quality

2. shutter speed

3. focus speed

4. extra features (slo mo, modes, filters)

People only talk about 1, but 2 and 3 are just as important. And since N6 lacks phase detection, 3 will suffer, and we don't know anything about 2.
[Nexus 6  General] cb474:
I think shutter speed is one of the elements of the camera that effects the quality of the images, like aperature, sensor size, lenses, whether a phone has a mechanical shutter (only a couple Nokia phones do), variable aperatures (only one Nokia phone I know of has this feature, the five year old N86, a great phone camera even by today's standards), OIS, and all the other parts that make up the camera module, so I wouldn't really separate it out as you do. It doesn't make sense to me.

Focus speed I think is mostly a matter of personal preference and a convenience element, though it could stop you from getting some shots.

Extra features are just gimmicks. Many people like them and that is also a matter of personal preference, but I think they're are kind of a side issue.

I feel ultimately it should be obvious why picture quality is the dominant question in judging a camera. So I don't agree the shutter speed is just as important and would not separate it out in the way you did anyway, as I explain. And I definitely don't think focus speed is anywhere close to as important in evaluating the quality of the camera.

One of the two unquestionably best phone camera out there, the Nokia 1020, has a kind of slow focus speed. That can be annoying, but it would be silly, I think, to hold it on a par with the incredible quality of images that it's 1/1.5 sensor produces. The Nokia 1020 is so many years ahead of everything else out there, to judge it down for focus speed would really be missing the point.

That being said, I do think a lot of people are just taking snapshots and really ultimately do not care that much about the quality of their pictures (nor know how to properly evaluate a camera on this basis). This is why the phone manufacturers have gotten away with 1/3 sensors as good enough (a technology first appearing in the Nokia N93 eight years ago). For snapshot takers, since the picture quality is already good enough, then convenience features like focus time and effects like filters, might be the things they care about more. Of course, except for focus time, all these things can be done with apps and editing, so I don't know if it's important when judging a phones camera anyway.
[Nexus 6  General] nexus6R3plicant:
With all new android l api for camera you control the shutter speed and can take raw pics ..not just jpeg its shaping up to be a very good camera read some about it

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[Nexus 6  General] Schoat333:
These pictures are obviously not DSLR quality, but they seem on par for a cell phone.

I will never understand why people would ever expect high quality photos from a phone. The camera in a phone serves one purpose. To get a picture quickly to share in an MMS, or on social media.

These are phones with a camera in them, not cameras with a phone in them. when was the last time you had professional picture taken, and the photographer brought a camera phone?

If you want high quality pictures, you need to buy a high quality camera, and stop trying to use phones.
[Nexus 6  General] Nitemare3219:
That's absolutely true. But there are moments in life or times when it is not feasible to carry around a large camera. Some of these phones are capable of taking great pictures. I'm not going to just accept a mediocre camera in my smartphone which costs nearly $1000 when we have been shown just how good they can be. A good photographer also plays a large role in turnout over someone just pointing and shooting.
[Nexus 6  General] ggreenwood334:
I do agree. But most of us here are talking about quality between different phones. Not between a phone and a top notch camera. We all want the best bang for our buck. And a better quality camera is an important feature.
[Nexus 6  General] raazman:
Yeah some people are forgetting that we aren't comparing smartphone cameras to $10,000 DSLR cameras. We're comparing strictly phones. And there is definitely a difference between phones' cameras where we can decide if one is better than the other.
[Nexus 6  General] lude219:
If it hasn't been mentioned already, Google has an office down here in Irvine.
[Nexus 6  General] Master Ramy:
Oh really?

I say we storm the castle and find these answers ourselves!!!

Lol :)
[Nexus 6  General] Javadn:
check this out :

Rear Camera

13MP with optical image stabilization

Dual LED ring flash

f/2.0 aperture

4K video capture at 30 fps

https://play.google.com/store/devices/details/Nexus_6_32GB_Midnight_Blue?id=nexus_6_blue_32gb

so as it seems its not 1.3 anymore ?
[Nexus 6  General] SenK9:
He's referring to sensor size. As in the actual physical sensor.

This is the N6 sensor -

http://www.sony.net/Products/SC-HP/new_pro/april_2014/imx214_e.html
[Nexus 6  General] Javadn:
oh , thanks , got it now
[Nexus 6  General] compuw22c:
In more interested in wherever they'll include high frame rate for video (120+ fps) as most flagship's do support it these days. I do gave a gopro when I really need it (also a 7D) but it'd be nice to have it on my phone. Based on the samples everything else looks good, and we know the sensor and cpu can do it, so hopefully they won't leave that feature out :)
[Nexus 6  General] msal:
I hope we have slow mo recording like on the iPhone.
[Nexus 6  General] dtroup64:
I would certainly expect it. I mean, I have slo mo recording on my two-year-old Note 2.
[Nexus 6  General] chrootz:
Need show us low light conditions pictures sample.
[Nexus 6  General] elementaldragon:
Haven't really seen any of those yet... but seeing as the aperture is pretty much on-par with the Note 4, i can't imagine it doing too bad in low light.

as for slow-mo... at least it seems like we'll now have 1080p @ 60fps.... which is nice. While i wouldn't mind high-speed recording... it's not really much of a necessity to me, personally. It's another one of those "When would i ever really even use that?" things... you know.... like the S-Pen.
[Nexus 6  General] cb474:
Yes, and the OIS ought to help too. Unless they really screwed something up (which happens more often that is really understandable), between the f2.0 aperature and OIS, low light performance should be decent. Of course, as I've been saying, the physical sensor size is the biggest limiting factor here. So it should be pretty good for a phone with a 1/3 sensor, but I don't expect it to be on a par with something like the Nokia 1020 that has a huge 1/1.5 senor and OIS, and even phones with 1/2.5 sensors (with or without OIS) may have some advantages.
[Nexus 6  General] dtroup64:
cb474, though a little off topic, do you happen to have any thoughts regarding whether the Droid Turbo will have the same 1/2.3 sensor that the Experia Z1 has? the only Sony sensor I can find at 21 MP seems to be that one.
[Nexus 6  General] EniGmA1987:
Probably lots of people. Irvine is a large tech city, Intel even has a server R&D facility (for designing Xeon processors) there and Google has a facility too. I would imagine whoever took the pictures probably works at Google in the city.

You can have much more advanced software with the same sensor and get a much better picture.

Simply using a small RAM buffer can fix the majority of all shutter speed issues on the camera. With 3GB of RAM in the phone one would hope that they are doing this...
[Nexus 6  General] dazed1:
HDR + in lowlight conditions :)
[Nexus 6  General] msal:
The camera looks.. okay? Like it's not awful but it's not stunning either. I was hoping it would be better. You know, since we're paying +$650?
[Nexus 6  General] dazed1:
First it might be pre-production model.

Second, they are shot in very low light condition, and heavily compressed.

Third, this is without mods, and we don't know how skilled the shooter was, how steady his hands where, and so on.

And for the end, this is without mods/advanced apps, the hardware is there, the camera will be amazing once dev get into it, and RAW mode will be available.
[Nexus 6  General] msal:
If the hardware is there, I hope Google's software will take advantage of it. Hell, even the Nexus 5 had 'decent' hardware in the camera optics but it would deliver less than optimal pictures.

But honestly you're right. I was jumping the gun a bit.

Just wondering, where did you get these pictures from?
[Nexus 6  General] dazed1:
I don't feel comfortable with sharing that guy info, but i can assure you those are 95% (if not 100%) Nexus 6 shots. They where posted like 10 days ago, that's why i think its pre-production model :)
[Nexus 6  General] jasonleb1:
At least some of them seemed to have come from here http://googleresearch.blogspot.it/2014/10/hdr-low-light-and-high-dynamic-range.html
[Nexus 6  General] Master Ramy:
If you look at the G+ page from that link (click where it says for full res photo then open in G+) you can see the details say shamu and Nexus 6, of course those can probably be easily monkeyed but I'd say it looks promising
[Nexus 6  General] dazed1:
Its even more real if they come from that page :)
[Nexus 6  General] cb474:
I would really wait for reviews from sites that know what they're doing, in photography, before coming to any judgments. Those photos look like snapshots, not taken with much care.

Anybody with enough skill (or lack of it) can take photos, in the right (or wrong) conditions that will make any halfway reasonable flagship smartphone camera look great (or terrible). You really need serious, photography and technically savvy, reviewers, doing comparisons with other phones, to suss out the differences and real possibilities of a particular phone camera.

That being said, as I've said in this and other threads, the Nexus 6 has a 1/3 sensor. 1/3 sensors are pretty run of the mill, not very up to date technology. But that's what you find (and have found for a while) in pretty much every top of the line flagship smartphone. So the Nexus 6 is probably is going to be neither amazing nor terrible, but more in less in the league of other flagship smartphone cameras--with the exception of the Galaxy S5 with its larger sensor and generally well calibrate system (and the completely in a different league Nokia 1020 and Nokia 808, to which no smartphone for a long time will get even remotely close). I would neither expect a lot, nor a little from the Nexus 6. And it does have OIS, which is nice and should help significantly in low light conditions (unless Google really screwed it up).

Only time and good high quality camera reviews will tell. Random snapshots in threads should be taken with an extreme grain of salt.
[Nexus 6  General] msal:
I screenshotted these from the Carphone Warehouse hands-on.
[Nexus 6  General] 0902135377:
Good

Very impressive
[Nexus 6  General] eAsyy:
Its obvious the detail on nexus 6 samples..

N5
[Nexus 6  General] elementaldragon:
Yea... don't think you can really accurately compare picture detail in such a way... at least not reasonably. But either way... gotta admit that the Nexus 6 has WAAAAY better low-light performance.
[Nexus 6  General] eAsyy:
U have full res photos on the website.

N5
[Nexus 6  General] dazed1:
Link?
[Nexus 6  General] msal:
Those pictures are from the video I quoted. I just happened to screenshot them. I couldn't find the full resolution.
[Nexus 6  General] dazed1:
I dont see ANY full resoluton videos, anywhere, especially on that carphone warehouse site, no articles at all, just plain phone selling site.
[Nexus 6  General] msal:
Those pictures are from this video:

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There probably aren't any full resolution pictures. It's all just to get an idea of what the Nexus 6 is capable of. None of the videos or pictures we have now show any conclusive evidence.
[Nexus 6  General] dazed1:
I was talking about the other user who said there are full resolution photos on the website.
[Nexus 6  General] dazed1:
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