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[Nexus 6  General] banshee28:
Wow, I was maybe considering a N6 to replace my N5 vs waiting for the Galaxy S6 early next year, but with this $650 price tag, NO Thanks! I will wait and pay the same, or a tiny bit more for the S6 with probably better specs! I really like my N5, but for them to almost double the price, no thanks...Im out :mad:

Like someone said, maybe this has to do with the phone carriers and the subsidy thing, but I am with TMOB, so I can BYOD, so buying a phone outright was going to be my best option. I guess I can think about the S6 early next year now... :cool:
[Nexus 6  General] DirgeExtinction:
So you didn't get a Nexus for the stock Android/direct-from-Google updates, but for the price?
[Nexus 6  General] ShapesBlue:
I'm up for renewal in june on big red and it's the one saving grace that we are getting the nexus 6. I can't wait for it and I'll save my money to get it also

From my CM11 S3
[Nexus 6  General] hakaida:
If there's a verizon version then I will still buy it. My girlfriend is still using her galaxy nexus and I would buy this and give her my moto x (2013). With the current moto x locked on verizon I do not have too many choices if I want a great android phone that can be rooted.
[Nexus 6  General] ShapesBlue:
Yup its been confirmed all the major carriers are getting the new nexus including big red. Me personally I want an easy to root phone myself and the bootloader unlock is essential at least to me. With the nexus device it's no big deal but that thing will be one nice phone

From my CM11 S3
[Nexus 6  General] banshee28:
Yes, that was one reason why I opted for the N5! However price is also part of the equation. Since I normally root and install a custom ROM, I am ok with another brand as long as its popular and has good support for ROMS which the Galaxy series does. I had a S2 for a while and it was great!
[Nexus 6  General] Nursi:
I had really looked forward to upgrading from N4 to N6. $650 at Google exchange rates will be about, err...£600 in the British Isles... N4 for the foreseeable future then!
[Nexus 6  General] ggreenwood334:
This does hurt. Part of buying a nexus every year was I could sell my phone on eBay about this time and pay just a few bucks to have the newest one. Now I need like a nexus 5 and an m8. And my tablet to outright buy one. Ha. Bit I will get it anyway.
[Nexus 6  General] ShapesBlue:
Same here but selling my S3 won't help with the cost. I just plan on saving my money until then

From my CM11 S3
[Nexus 6  General] Jfree3000:
I just feel they went too big with the phone. I was looking forward to this phone coming from a note 3 but when I found out this was bigger than the note 3, it was a no go.

I was also hoping they would bring back sd slots (praying actually) but having 64gb as a max at this price was a let down. Might consider if they offered a 128gb model.
[Nexus 6  General] ShapesBlue:
For the most part I agree. I'm still running my S3, but I truly love this phone. I've handled the Note 3 while in stores and it's massive but as far as size you had to of known it was going to be bigger. Being in a carrier that's only had one previous Nexus phone I'm a little excited about this

And as far as the 64gb goes I have an external SD card with that capacity and I've still yet to go above 40gb free on it

From my CM11 S3
[Nexus 6  General] ggreenwood334:
I haven't studied dimensions yet. But am curious to see how this feels in hand. Sure it has a bigger screen. But smaller bezel. And my m8 is heavy with big ballistics case.
[Nexus 6  General] Prod1702:
Oh I am really happy about the new nexus. I could care less it is 650. If you were looking at a note 4 it is cheaper why not. I was going get to get a note 4 if this phone was smaller then the note 4. Google has made ppl feel like they if you want a Nexus, then 350 is all you are going to pay. Come on 650 is the same cost as a M8, a g3, or a gs5, this phone is better then all of those. Only phone to me that might be better then the n6 is the note 4, and that phone is 100 more for a s-pen which I never used on my note 3. I love the fact that this phone has a big screen and dual speakers. It's everything I want. Ppl need to stop crying. If you want cheap then you will get cheap specs or cheap quality. I just hope Franco is getting so I get his kernels which I have missed since my n4.
[Nexus 6  General] zekurosu:
definitely getting N6 to replace my LG G2 .. probably trade it off to soften the high price :good:
[Nexus 6  General] robdevil:
Nexus idea just died. It should be affordable pure android. I hope Oneplus Two will show middle finger for google and will show how to build affordable beast.
[Nexus 6  General] Lord_Santa:
Well Nexus hasn't always been about "affordable", before the Nexus 4 they were always top of the line flagship level phones with the best tech.

Although the Nexus 4 and 5 could be considered "flagship level" at the time of launch, there were some obvious sacrifices Google had to make in order to get it down to those prices. It's Good to see a truly high end Nexus device again, I'm happy with my Nexus 5, it's still snappy and I don't need to upgrade.

All in all I think people got a little spoiled by the idea of a cheap Nexus, though I have to admit that I'm not too thrilled with the actual aesthetics of the Nexus 6 (looks too much like an oversized Moto X), I wish they had stuck with the Nexus 5/9 design language.
[Nexus 6  General] dr.m0x:
OnePlus One is the new Nexus. I am not convinced that the N6 is worth almost double the price.

Mmm bacon
[Nexus 6  General] Peylix:
Laughing Out Loud

TL;DR

People complaining about NAME not price

650?

I'm picking it up at 200 (going off new phone/contract pricing) renewing my contract.

I see no problem with this price. For the specs right now, this is reasonable.

I read earlier in this thread about if this phone were named the Moto Z that no one would bat an eye. But call it a Nexus and people lose their goddamn minds.

Many of us have been waiting for a true Moto Nexus for MANY years and size aside (I do indeed hate phablets myself) I'll be picking it up as it's a device that's been my pipedream for a long long time.

As for the people bringing up the OPO. Those phones have the most issues any phone as EVER had. (Wonder why it's cheap) Go look at the thousands of complaint threads online about those pieces of junk.

All I see are people *****ing about this phone because of the NAME. Not the price. There are many other phones out there for MORE that have LESS. God you guys are insane.

I know the Nexus line was built off the cheaper price. But things change. Things grow. Wanna know something else? I bet this will be one of the hottest selling Nexus devices to date. Yes you can quote me on that.

Now untie your panties. Take a lollipop and enjoy.
[Nexus 6  General] zetsumeikuro:
Haters will hate. Drinking the haterade cause cannot afford N6 RIP. The new Moto G awaits those people!
[Nexus 6  General] chrisjcks:
Americans are just cheap!

You guys don't know how fortunate you are to be paying so little for your new gadgets.

Last years super cheap Nexus 5 cost me £359/$580 inc shipping.

The new Nexus 6 is expected to be £499/$800 in the UK for the 64gb version, yet its $100 less in the states.

So, stop being cheap!

You already have it at a great price.
[Nexus 6  General] lurtis:
Phone looks like a beast but 6 inch is a bit much for me. My G2 is rather uncomfortable to have on me in over half my pants and I hate skinny jeans.

Now if they make a nexus 6 mini (same specs, 4.7 inch screen or around there) I'd probably buy it. Buy why have a 6 in phone for 650 when I got my nexus 7 for under 250?
[Nexus 6  General] neyenlives:
Enjoy crappy signal. Nothing sucks more than having a top tier phone and not being able to hold a good signal.
[Nexus 6  General] 3473:
Thing with the Note 4 is, after a week you won't touch the S-Pen again, and you'll have to put up with the 2-second lag when launching an app, because your launch command is trying to get through all that touchwiz rubbish

With CM it's amazing though, so if that comes out you'll have an excellent device.
[Nexus 6  General] objektive_1:
I was totally considering buying this after saving a little and selling my G3 but if the sample shots from the link below are any indication to how the camera will perform. I might have to go with a hard pass on this one. :(

http://phandroid.com/2014/10/16/nexus-6-camera-samples-size-comparison-iphone-6-plus/
[Nexus 6  General] eksasol:
I don't believe those sample shots are real and I don't trust that website. The files are compressed, it was poorly taken, there are no tags in the file so you cannot verify what device take them. This phone uses the Sony Exmor IMX214 sensor which is very good provided there is a good software post processing technology behind it, which Google is working on improving, especially with Android L new camera API. I don't think it's going to be amazing, but I think it will at least be better than what the Moto X 2014 can offer.
[Nexus 6  General] objektive_1:
I hear you but at the same time, I've seen the sources Google plus page along with EXIF data that shows the relevant information you are talking about. I'll wait and see what the reviews say but i think these pics are a pretty good representation of what we should expect.
[Nexus 6  General] THE_KINGDOM:
Still can't believe how many people are trying to justify this price.. (Which I might remind you is over double the price of the Nexus 5)

These are the kind of idiots that just fuel the industry into thinking consumers are ok paying these significantly higher prices..
[Nexus 6  General] 3473:
Still can't believe how many people think a device which matches the Note 4 spec for spec should be $300 (people forget the Nexus 5/4 had some specs a lot worse which is why they were cheaper)
[Nexus 6  General] LNJ:
4 and 5 were running the latest chipset at their time!

HTC One M8
[Nexus 6  General] THE_KINGDOM:
Nexus 4 and 5 both we're setting a new standard at their time, Nexus 5 was top-end spec's minus the camera (camera has never been a focal point of the Nexus line) but it's had a 1080p screen and top of the line SoC, 2GB RAM etc.. etc..

YET with these top specs Nexus was ALWAYS substantially cheaper than the other flagships, with the same or similar specs.

Well said! My point exactly. People just aren't absorbing this.

Nexus 6 is just following the same development model of all the previous Nexus devices, except, 1 year later.: Standard top-tier SoC, avg camera, decent battery.

The Only major clear difference is that this Nexus 6 is a phablet by definition, whereas all the previous Nexus "phones" were still in the "phone" dimensions.

Nothing here that justifies the Nexus 6 being OVER DOUBLE the price of the current Nexus 5.

Like I said in my previous posts, IF the Nexus 6 was using some extra tech in it that could equate to a slightly higher price, such as fingerprint scanner and laser-autofocus etc. then perhaps we could justify a price in the $500's (which is still a massive increase in price IMO)..

But at:

$649USD (base model)

$749CAD (base model)

these prices are absolutely inflated, unjustified.

People comparing these prices to iPhone 6/6+ !? Since when was the iPhone ever considered to be good value for money or top-spec??!! It's been long known that Apple is a completely rip-off for their relative specs (or therein lack of specs).
[Nexus 6  General] bajasur:
Ya but other specs were lacking, camera, ram, screen res, battery..etc.

This Nexus is a beast. It would be highway robbery to get it for the price of the Nexus 5 imho. :)
[Nexus 6  General] LNJ:
RAM? They both had 2gb which was flagship specs and so was the screen resolution. Battery was a lower capacity for the N5.

Camera sensor was good but processing was bad.

HTC One M8
[Nexus 6  General] 3473:
The soc was the ONLY thing that was TRULY high end... in most other places you had cutbacks to save cost, e.g battery and camera. The screen, whilst 1080p, was one of the worst 1080p panels on the market. Not all 1080p panels are equal. Viewing angles were horrendous and contrast was washed out

The Nexus 6 does not compromise a single spec, hence the higher price

People just aren't absorbing this
[Nexus 6  General] THE_KINGDOM:
You my friend, have absolutely no idea what you're talking about.

Nexus 5 had 1080p res, 2GB RAM, high-end battery per phone dimensions,

even camera wasn't bad, but certainly not the best.

worst 1080P panels? proof?

Battery at 2300mah was flagship standard for this size of device.

Again all leads back to one thing ONLY THE CAMERA WAS A CUT-BACK AND NOT EVEN SUBSTANTIALLY SO

Funny thing is the camera on the Nexus 6 might not even be THAT GREAT, which is typical of Nexus devices. So the cutbacks as per last year and this year.. are EXACTLY THE SAME.

Yet we have this year a device OVER DOUBLE THE PRICE.

I'm beginning to think that [MENTION=4527055]3473[/MENTION] works for Google
[Nexus 6  General] Wbroshea:
So just to clarify. The specs alone justify the higher price? ie you think the teardown cost of a nexus 6 will be $250 higher than the teardown cost of the N5 at release? Or are there other factors here accounting for the price increase?

This is what I believe most people really have an issue with. Oh yeah, found the estimated teardown cost of the Note 4. Came in at $260. Sounded low to me, but then I didn't do the tear down. Note 4 is close to the N6 right.
[Nexus 6  General] 3473:
Good lord. It's base device had a 3000mah battery, and every review of the phone criticised the battery. Every single one. But yes, you carry on thinking it's flagship status because it's the device you have so it must be defended
[Nexus 6  General] Wbroshea:
Is the g2 the same dimensions as the nexus 5? I don't know, I am asking.
[Nexus 6  General] 3473:
G2: 138.5 x 70.9 x 8.9 mm

N5: 137.9 x 69.2 x 8.6 mm

Though the G2 had a 5.2 inch screen and a 3000mah battery
[Nexus 6  General] THE_KINGDOM:
Bigger device = bigger battery

Also one of the G2 models did not have wireless charging, this may have been the reason they were able to fit a larger battery
[Nexus 6  General] Wbroshea:
Thanks - too similar in size to say size was a factor, at least I suspect.

So how about responding to my other question? Do you think the build cost for the N6 will be $250 over the build cost of the N5 at release? If not then we can stop the tired "the build quality alone justifies the cost" argument. The reality is the N6 likely costs a little more than the N5 cost to make. The major difference is really the business change that has occurred in that Google is no longer selling phones for minimal profit. That is a fine change for them to make, I don't care, but that means the specs are not the justification for the majority of the cost. It is really that simple.

Unless the N6 comes in way higher in build cost than I suspect (Note 4 only $260) then the specs have little to do with the cost increase actually. Is it still a good deal compared to other similar specced phones, yes, but that doesn't mean the specs are the cost driver, it means the business model is and that the business believes that we as a society are willing to pay it.
[Nexus 6  General] 3473:
Yes it does. Specs like that are only matched by the note 4, which conversely, is still more expensive than the Nexus 6. You have to judge it based on what the market dictates. Considering this is going for less than it's closest match, and has stock software/fast updates etc, I think it's a fair price.

It's a high end phone in every spec. Since high end phones in every spec, go for £550 to £600, I have no issues paying that for a Nexus phone, though it likely will cost less than that.
[Nexus 6  General] THE_KINGDOM:
Possibly true..

However, I think that we as consumers should like to make sure "the business doesn't believe that we as a society are willing to pay for it", or we don't benefit at all from cost savings over time.

The business model was fine before. Now it's not.

I can understand a slight increase in price to increase manufacturing quality of Nexus devices, as we demand more, but this is not at all a slight increase.
[Nexus 6  General] Wbroshea:
No what you are talking about is business model not speccs driving the cost. In the recent past google sold phones with a minimal mark up on the cost of the parts. Now google is selling similarly priced parts at a higher margin. If google followed the same business model as they had for the Nexus 4 and 5 then the N6 would cost significantly less even if they still had all the high end specs. Its that simple. The N5 was a great deal for the price. the N6 is less of a great deal for the price, not bad but not as good. Changing you profit margin on a product is a business decision not a "specs increased the cost" decision.

Please keep in mind, I believe it is fine for google to change their business plan, I just don't have to support and am free to point it out. Others can choose to love it, hate it, or ignore it.
[Nexus 6  General] 3473:
I have no problem with this business model. I like my phones fully specced out, and will pay whatever the market price is (but nothing ridiculous like £800)

Other people prefer their phones mostly specced out, but for much cheaper price. However I don't think this kind of business model is sustainable, as evidenced

Just different tastes and opinions I suppose
[Nexus 6  General] NJ_RAMS_FAN:
the phone is a monster but the price isn't very nice. If sale numbers suck, wonder if it would drop in price. I'll wait and see.
[Nexus 6  General] galaxys:
The Nexus 6 phablet specs/price works for me... can't wait to order!
[Nexus 6  General] NardVa:
A lot of people argue the Nexus 6 is priced similar to other top tier phones like the Note 4 and IPhone 6, but in my opinion all top of the line phones off contract are over priced. In most cases these phone cost around $200 to make. Top of the line phones should cost $400 to $500 at the most.
[Nexus 6  General] tietherope:
The Nexus 9 on the Canadian Play Store is $430, which is only $30 more than the US and $40 less than stores up here. Assuming the same 7.5% markup, the Nexus 6 should only be $700 Canadian. Hopefully the reports of $750 are wrong.
[Nexus 6  General] Wbroshea:
I think you might be missing my point. The speccs of the phone and the business model I was referring to (ie margins) should be Independent of each other. It shouldn't be either or. Google could have chosen to sell the N5 at $550 (probably a fair price for the specs) and Google could have chosen to sell the N6 as $450-$500.
[Nexus 6  General] neyenlives:
Well that would be an unreconcileable issue, may as well move past it....
[Nexus 6  General] force70:
Im good with the price..no biggie.

Im a little let down at the lack of storage, without ext sd support it needs at least 128gb internal.

Apple can do it why not google?

sent from Canada via my Note 3, Note 2 or One X+
[Nexus 6  General] LNJ:
If I'm not mistaken, the Canadian price is $749 and $799. Can't justify that plus tax. May just wait for the Z4 which is rumoured to come with the SD 810.

HTC One M8
[Nexus 6  General] Steve - O:
Gouging!

Price gouging this time around. I will definitely pass on it. :(
[Nexus 6  General] THE_KINGDOM:
good points. well said.

[MENTION=4527055]3473[/MENTION] still doesn't get it clearly.

They HAVE changed their business model. If they DIDN'T change it then the Nexus 6 would be similarly priced to the Nexus 5, maybe a touch more.

The specs of this phone simply don't justify such a price increase over previous generations.
[Nexus 6  General] force70:
Ive always wanted a newer sony but all the rogers and bell versions have locked bootloaders..no unlock available.

Thats an absolute deal breaker for me
[Nexus 6  General] dr.m0x:
It may not be irreconcilable, time will tell. If OnePlus can survive into the next few months, the availability of cheap, high spec hardware may well force the mainstream manufacturers to reduce their margins in order to remain competitive.

Mmm bacon
[Nexus 6  General] neyenlives:
You're in the minority. The majority of the world is fine with prices as they are. These companies aren't going to suddenly cut prices when everyone is throwing their money at their screen every time a new device comes out. It's not going to change unless people stop buying the devices at asking price. That isn't happening.
[Nexus 6  General] dr.m0x:
The pc market hit a plateau and stagnated, the tablet market is slowing. It's only a matter of time before the same thing happens to smart phones.

Mmm bacon
[Nexus 6  General] neyenlives:
Well meanwhile everyone wants the latest phone, which come out quarterly it seems. If you're OK with settling for "okay enough as long as it's cheap enough" more power to you. But I think you'll be waiting a long time.
[Nexus 6  General] dr.m0x:
Please stop making statements like "everyone wants the latest phone". It's simply untrue.

I know plenty of people who don't want or need the "best phone" but simply a phone that's "good enough". Then I live in a different place from you and have a different circle of friends, still my point stands. You don't know what "everyone" wants because "everyone" is different.

Unlike most of my circle I do like to have the latest or close to the latest phone so will probably get the Nexus at some point. None of my friends will bother upgrading. A lot of them are still rocking s3 or iPhone 4s devices and they are quite happy. If the OnePlus were more widely available, these are the sorts of people it would attract as and when their current devices die.

Mmm bacon
[Nexus 6  General] neyenlives:
The OnePlusOne struck me as low budget compromise. Yeah, I get a new phone about once a year. That's how I roll.

I'm not talking about "everyone" as in everyone I know. I would agree. Most people I know are OK with good enough for a long time.... and they also freaking bug me 11 times a day complaining about how their phone sucks, how to fix this, how to do that......

I am talking about the only metric that matters. Sales figures. The sales numbers say you are in the minority.
[Nexus 6  General] Wbroshea:
Uhh, isn't the vast majority of phones sold in the world mid and low tier at the time of sale?
[Nexus 6  General] neyenlives:
Probably. But if the top tier phones weren't selling well enough they wouldn't continue to make ridiculous profits selling them.... Hence why prices stay high.

This nexus community is going to take some getting used to! Everyone seems to think they should be getting a "good enough" phone for chump change.
[Nexus 6  General] Wbroshea:
So he is not in the minority. He is actually the majority and you are the minority. Right?
[Nexus 6  General] neyenlives:
By numbers of consumers yes. By the only numbers that matter in regards to top tier devices? No

It is time for you guys to accept the new Nexus isn't there to give you good enough for less $. It's top tier harsware for actually the low end of top tier pricing.
[Nexus 6  General] Wbroshea:
What would "the only numbers that matter in regards to top tier devices" be exactly?

You are correct. The new Nexus has had a major change for Google's business strategy. Now the Nexus line is about profit as the "top tier hardware" likely has very little to do with the cost increase, rather Google or Motorolla or both have decided they need to increase their profit margin on the nexus line. I have no issue at all with the higher specs, I have no issue with paying a little more for the higher specs, I don't even have a problem with Google/Motorola choosing to make more money on the nexus line. I do take issue though with people pretending the higher specs justify the price increase alone. It does not when you consider what Google's philosophy was with the nexus line in the recent past (for the N4 and N5). The only way to justify the price increase is to use both the slightly higher specs at release time coupled with an extra $200 or so of profit for Google/Motorola. Much more fun though to scream its high end so it is worth it than it is to say its high end + Google/Motorola want and extra $200 profit so its worth it.
[Nexus 6  General] neyenlives:
I'm good with it. Sorry you're not. Life's short. Enjoy it.