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[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] in_dmand:
I have done a lot of researching on the note 4 vs the nexus 6 and am leaning more towards the note 4 at this point. although the two things the nexus 6 has going for it, speakers and unlocked bootloader/custom roms, it lacks in the areas that i would probably need most:

Battery life/removeable battery

Screen brightness (WAY higher nits on max on note 4)

Camera is better on note 4

Expandable storage

It's a hard call but that's where I am right now. and the ability to root this thing would just make the note 4 sweeter =)
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] mlin:
Battery life is much improved with the update to 5.1 and I'd say it's now comparable to the note 4. The camera on the note 4 may be marginally better, but the camera on the nexus is great and many reviews, even by photography websites will corroborate this. Trust me, as a parent my phone camera is used often and a very important feature for me. The screen on the note gets unbelievably bright in bright sun, a level unmatched by the nexus, but the screen on the nexus is gorgeous. As far as storage, I tend to agree that expandable storage would be nice. the 32GB version of probably going to prove to be too small for me due mostly to pics and vids, and I'll likely upgrade to 64GB which should be fine for awhile at least. Of you get a chance to play with the nexus, check it out. It's a very nice phone and even without rooting it's been my best and favorite android experience to date.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] ronaldheld:
Uncertain Verizon will offer a 64GB model.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] mlin:
It doesn't really matter where you buy it from. All US variants are exactly the same.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] in_dmand:
so you've had both and you like the nexus 6 better? I will be curious as to what changes/improvements the 5.1 made...
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] ronaldheld:
True but their limited versions working on their network. Maybe after release all the Google play and Motorola phones will work.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] mlin:
What do you mean "limited versions working on their network?"
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] selayan:
5.1 featured some kernel and os updates. Now the phone is faster because before there was a memory leak and all cores were not sleeping correctly. Now its using all 4 cores and also properly handling memory. Silent mode is back, and now you can do data and calling on Verizon with LTE, previously you could not.

Also, its more stable/smoother. The new radio has also improved call quality according to some users.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] ronaldheld:
Some Motorola phones are not currently activatable by Verizon.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] mlin:
Regarding the nexus 6, I don't believe that's true. As long as you have a nano Sim it'll work. Like I said, all variants are the same.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] ronaldheld:
I cut down my micro to nano sim. Would not activate my phone. I will wait until the official launch.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] mlin:
Gotcha. I've read of its not done near perfectly, it won't work. I almost did the same thing but fortunately the Verizon rep was able to call tech support and have a nano Sim assigned to my account without ownership of a nano Sim compatible Verizon phone. I have a variant purchased from T-Mobile. Put in the nano Sim and 3 minutes later everything was working. The only variant that would cause problems is AT&T's because its locked.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] ronaldheld:
I agree that may of happened. Come this Thursday I should get a working phone.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] Rapture Veteran:
I am currently contemplating trading my Note 4 for a Nexus. Had an offer up but i asked him to hold off a few days because I wanted to see what would happen with the root attempt. Looks like its not going anywhere, i'll probably go ahead with the trade in within the next 2-3 days since I'm not willing to wait for the impossible to happen, and the impossible is this Note 4 ever getting root access
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] ronaldheld:
I am expecting to "jump ship" on Thursday. This assumes I can unlock and root it.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] tu3218:
Has anyone found the nexus 6 in the Verizon stores? Looking to play with it an compare to my note 4. There's just no denying that the note has the best camera and screen and I'd hate to give that up.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] tdetroit:
I actually went to a Verizon Corporate Store on Nexus Launch day last Thursday because I wanted one....as of right now, it's only available to order on-line. It will be in Stores March 19th (next Thursday). I ended up getting a Note Edge because I like the way the Edge Ticker works, might still get the Nexus because one of my 7 lines is up for renewal next month.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] Annomander Matt:
I'm conflicted. I have a note 3 from my company and was hoping to upgrade to the note 4. But my personal phone is sprint and I bought a nexus and I love it thus far. Only problem is for work the stylus comes in handy. I just don't think I could deal with touchwiz after flashing some custom ROMs on the nexus.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] ronaldheld:
I expect to see it in stores this Thursday.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] guthrien:
I think I'm going to sell and switch while it still retains value. This might be a naive question but I've never done it in normal contract, as long as you maintain the length of the original extension that subsidized the phone, do you have any issues having them discharge it and adding your own purchased phone to Verizon contract? I want to buy a Google Store version. I'll miss the camera and screen, but I'm done with TWiz and the update schedules. I'll leave Verizon when my contracts are up. Using a phone on TMobile pre-pay was a revelation for service and cost.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] mlin:
It won't be in stores till Thursday. But, rest assured the camera and screen of the nexus are both very nice.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] tu3218:
Yeah I'll have to check it out when it comes to stores. I still love my note 4, just as I always do every time I go through a Samsung phase, I get sick of TW. Happened with my S4, and went with a moto x, an now it's happening with my note 4. Problem is, the note 4 is still arguably top dog.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] sh0cka33:
http://www.androidauthority.com/touchwiz-better-than-stock-android-215634/

I'll choose touchwiz over stock android all day, every day. Used both, and there is so much more convenience baked into Samsung Roms.

Multi window, I use daily. The pen very often.

Plus being Google's first phablet automatically makes it a flop. Without phablet features you just have a big dumb smart phone. Get a tablet if you need a big screen to impress people. At least then you're being real. Even Apple is trying to create a multi window experience right now because of having a phablet with no features making it useful.

Plus the Samsung camera has many more options.

Some of this can be circumvented by using custom roms., so you have that in your favor. But 99% of people here like their note 4 so this is clearly in the wrong forum.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] bossei:
Im so sick of loick phones and the fact that my note 4 still not on lollipop that I just want another option and get the iPhone 6 plus. BTW I still have the note 3 and I'm currently using it because I missed custom ROM. I saw the N6 and it doesn't do it for me. Sharp phone but its just seize you get and nothing more as far as options like multi screen, pen ertc.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] tu3218:
Wait, so you don't like the nexus 6 because its just too big and all size with nothing to take advantage of it. Yet you want a iPhone 6 plus which is just like the nexus 6, except locked down. I don't get your argument.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] neyenlives:
I have a Note 3 and have used multi screen once. Just to see it work. It sucked. I ended up with two "tiny screens" of which neither was large enough to do anything. I'll miss my occasional use of the SPen but give that up all day long for a .250" larger screen and front facing stereo speakers.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] Ragnar:
Ok the OP has moved on. Conversation about other devices belongs in the Off Topic Thread. Whether it's talk or comparison. This forum is for the Verizon Note 4

This thread has gone on too long. Thread Closed

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Have a great day!
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] ronaldheld:
No SD slot and removable battery ruins it for me.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] J3ff:
Note 4 = better screen, better camera, same battery.

Sticking with the note 4
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] nighthawk626:
I hate when people think dropbox and other cloud apps are the answer to the lack of micro SD slot. Its a sheep mentality. Unless we live in a world where every carrier had blazing lte everywhere everyone lived and every carrier offered unlimited data then that point becomes useless. But we live in a world where Verizon charges 3 arms and 2 d*cks for you to use 1gb of data. Tmobile god bless em are trying their *sses off. The unlimited data is nice but its not great signal everywhere. Cloud service is nice AMD handy but should never ever ever replace removable SD slot
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] droidguy22:
Not much difference in size if you compare actual pictures

[IMG="Size compare - Nexus 6 vs Note 3, 4"]http://postimg.org/image/pzqncf1qx/full[/IMG]

http://postimg.org/image/pzqncf1qx/full/

and I am sure the curved back of Nexus 6 + thinness on the edges (thinnest is 3.8mm) will give it substantially better grip and in hand feel compared to any other phablet sized phone out there..
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] changt34x:
Personally, I like about everything about the note 4 better (other than the locked boot loader). But what I think many forget is that since this is Nexus is a Motorola, meaning it will come with Motorola radios. That alone, along with my bad experience with every Samsung device other than Note 2 in reception, is enough for me to really reconsider.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] Mr. Toad:
I was really tempted by the nexus. Then I was at work and I was actually using the spen. I think I will stick with the note.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] Makeroflostsouls:
If it was the same size as the note I would think about getting it..I really want a Nexus phone, but it's huge lol The note 4 was already pushing how large of a phone I wanted. If they had kept it the same size as the note 4 I would have picked it up. I just don't want something that big in my pocket. Plus no sd slot and no swap able battery..
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] tengtengvn:
Yup.. All work very well with carrier data cap.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] leyvatron:
You obviously didn't read my last message as I mentioned that.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] rushless:
No sd slot and an even bigger device- PASS!

Given that apps are getting bigger due in part to Qhd and Lollipop eating 20% more storage due to file compression changes, anyone that actually uses many apps are best served to avoid this device. That is unless you bow to the cloud. I do not and give the cloud a one finger solute :) ;) Clouds do not work very well when in a place with no wifi or data coverage to eat your data cap up, accessing your OWN content.

In fact, I give all low storage non-sd slot devices and the cloud two one finger solutes at the same time :)
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] Rippley05:
Verizon has only allowed a Nexus device I think twice? One tablet and a phone if I remember correctly. The phone was not a true Nexus experience as it was subject to all the normal Verizon BS before updates rolled out. Google had to provide updates for the "normal" carriers and then provide Verizon their own special one. It's a joke. No thanks.

Aside from that, a 6" screen? Even bigger with the bezels. I'm pushing it with the Note 4, but like someone else mentioned...the Nexus 6 is much like the Iphone 6+. It's big just for the sake of being big. It should have been 5.5, and it should never come to Verizon.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] fillyo:
I will keep my eye on the tests once they drop, but need to see battery life and camera results. Plus, no SD storage is a big negative. I don't care about the locked bootloader anymore, or custom ROMs, half of them are buggy, and you see no huge improvements at the end of the day. Most important, I hate flashing new ROMs because I have to set up my phone all over again, I dread that now. You have to re-log into everything, unregister certain apps and register on new ROM, it just sucks. Too many apps to want to do that over and over. I just need root to debloat. Phones are just too fast these days to need a custom ROM unless you like all the customization and what not. For now, absolutely sticking with Note 4.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] JasonJoel:
Nexus 6 is too expensive, no SD card, and too big.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] wtherrell:
But the work necessary to flash new roms & kernels is where the fun lies.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] Morphinity:
The Nexus 6 doesn't have the features the Note 4 has in regards to using all of the screen real estate. If Android L had phablet features built in, it would be one thing, but I feel like vanilla Android can't take advantage of a 6" screen on a phone just yet.

Using multi-window and even small screen mode on the Note 4 just makes the huge screen more usable in any situation.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] jayochs:
yeah lol teh galaxy nexus. the last nexus to get OTA updates months and months later. was pathetic.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] Shibby303:
Waiting for OTA updates? It's almost like I'm not on XDA.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] jayochs:
lol for some reason, many people didn't root the Verizon gnex... lol but yeah. was bad.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] Shibby303:
Yeah I had the Galaxy Nexus from release date. Verizon was annoying but it was an easy root and go solution. Hopefully this version will get immediate updates. It would be hard to believe that Google would let Verizon do the same thing twice given how pissed off they were after the gnex
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] wtherrell:
Who cares? I unlocked bootloader and threw on custom roms as soon as I got it. Damn, I miss that Sourcery Rom!
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] dadsterflip:
Well that's why you unlock and upgrade via dev or what not. When I had the gnex I never had to worry about Verizon updates.

I am buying this just because of that it's Google and made by Motorola and unlockable and an actual top notch specs. I can imagine the dev flocking in also.

I don't mind the size. It would be just like how I went from a small device to the note series and b**** how big it is then just got used to it and never went back to a smaller device. So pretty excited about this.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] NWNJ:
Thank you for sharing this information. The idea of having a 6 inch phone with an unlockable bootloader on Verizon has definitely peaked my interest. As much as I would like to switch to Tmobile for the unlocked bootloader, they have zero service in my area.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] pcsperson:
I am thinking the same thing.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] johnchad14:
I'm a bit torn, but sticking with Note for the camera and better size for me.

I would never see myself writing that a few years ago, but bootloader isn't something I need to mess with as much anymore. Besides, the crazy security junk at my employer blocked me for a while for using an unlocked/rooted Note 2 =D. As if a non stock phone presented some great security risk for all that 0 private information I have on phone.

Will definitely be hoping for some bootstrap style stuff at least, to tone down the touchwiz as much as possible and get the speediest Note I can
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] le0.br4zuc4:
I'm a big Nexus fan, I still have my Galaxy Nexus. My issue with Nexus phones, specially here in the US is that Verizon will control it's OTA updates as it controls for every other phone. The Galaxy Nexus took longer to get updates on Verizon. I understand we can root and do whatever we want but still. I also use the camera a lot and Nexus devices don't have as good as camera.

I am getting a Note 4, on edge. If I like the camera quality on the Nexus 6 I will buy it retail. It's about time to replace my Galaxy Nexus.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] cdmoore74:
The Nexus is pretty tempting but so far the Note 4 has the number 1 display on a smartphone and the battery life has been proven and is replaceable. And the SD card, excellent camera, multitasking capability, finger print scanner, IR blaster, heart rate monitor and S-pen are just added. And the Gear VR option by Oculus Rift; not that cardboard experience.

The advantage the Nexus has is it's unlocked bootloader, stock experience and it "should" be the fastest Android experience on any device. It's also a device that I won't get bored with. And I actually like the larger size with on screen buttons (there would be no need for my 2013 Nexus 7 so that's at least $100). I love both phones because they have different personalities. But I got to give the "edge" to the Note series. I will only change my mind if the screen, battery life and camera's are on par/better.

One thing for certain the Droid Turbo is off my list. Locked bootloader :rolleyes:
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] savagebunny:
Even with my own cloud storage of 2TB+ I have linked to my own server, I'm still gonna pass on this. I live no matter what storing my stuff on a SD card. Its easier for me, plus having reception that isn't guaranteed in my area, relying only on cloud support isn't a answer for some people. I'm stuck on a Galaxy S3 that's showing age already. Guess I'll wait till next year for a upgrade. My 2 cents
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] deathshead:
Dont let the door hit you in the ass on the way out,

While we can legitimately whine about the bootloader,knox and touchwiz, The following reasons are what hold the Nexus 6 (way way) back.

Its 2014, NO top tier device should ever come with 16gb, even 32gb is a joke.

Nexus cannot expand storage outside the hassle of a OTG usb cable and stick, this gets old in 5 minutes.

A device with a 6" screen and zero multi-window options stock is unefficient,annoying and a waste.

No removable battery = nothing but a hassle, battery takes a dump? = Warranty time. yuck.

No IR blaster. maybe YOU dont use it, But owning a LG g2 and a galaxy tab 10.1 2014 I must say

Samsungs Watch on setup is the best on market for watching tv. its amazing. (the g2 ir blaster sucks.)

The rest of the sensors on the Note 4 soe some can come in handy, its more like a Tricorder if you think about it,

Ambient temp sensor is a great idea if you work in a datacenter environment for instance. (if its somewhat acurate.)

Note 4 with ROOT + tweaks is the way to go, Im getting sick of this Custom Rom bs to be honest.

the best roms are stock based with tweaks. Im sick and tired of being impressed for a few days and then 4th of July, a childs birthday party, having the camera decide to give up and sit there restoring and re-flashing crap to fix it, etc..
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] jmacdonald19:
Same here. I honestly use the removable battery and SD card too much to go to a phone without. I tried the Nexus 5 for a few months but in the end went back to my Note 3. I'll stick with the Note 4.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] fletch33:
i wasnt into Sammy until the S4 and then N3 and what i find interesting about me is that i spent all my time with my HTC's and Motorola's rooting and custom Rom'g them to try and obtain Vanilla.

Then i get the N3 and the last thing i wanted was Vanilla and even with unlocked S4 i avoided the Vanilla rom's.

i have a Sammy Tab S and multiple Sammy modern TV's and they all play together so nicely that you cant replicate that experience without their injection of stuff to their devices.

obviously this is the N4 forum and i would expect people to lean to the Sammy side BUT i give props to the N6 and Motorola (best Radio's period) for making what looks like a great device that if it had some multi-tasking aspects and an SD card they may get me to look past the buttery smooth cross platform Sammy device experience i have now.

for me all i need is ROOT with App Freeze and Xposed and i can make my N3 and soon my N4 into my own custom rom needs.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] vinceserious:
I never tried used a Nexus phone but I love my Samsung Note 3...
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] JasonJoel:
I am in the same camp. I used to be a rom flashaholic so an unlocked boot loader was very important to me. Really these days, though, all I need is root to remove a little bloat.

Why would someone buy a Note, and then break most of the spen functionality by putting an asop rom on it? I never understood that when I had my unlocked tmobile note 3 either...

If you just want a big screen, and don't care about the spen or SD card, then the nexus 6 is probably perfect for you.

I buy the Note phones specifically for the pen, though, so the nexus is a non starter for me.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] c_299792458:
You nailed it...that's exactly how I feel now. I had a G1, Nexus One, etc...list goes on. I still think root is a good thing, but my days of flashing ROMS to get new stuff or tweaks has slowed down quite a bit. Advantages now seem to be limited to improved performance/battery life -- but the Note already does well in this regard. If you absolutely hate touchwiz and changing the launcher isn't enough, then you have to consider what you lose in going custom with the Note.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] TechBSwift:
This is tough for several reasons... lets try to not be bias to Nexus or Samsung

Note 4-

Best screen

Better Camera

Amazing Multitasking

Spen

-----Locked bootloader

Safe Strap my never come now that Hashcode is out of the game

Root & Xposed, I'm sure root will come at some time, how long will it take who knows, unless chainfire can use his method for Verizon which trips knox.

Xposed - doesn't work for Android L right now due to it's not built for ART. So the really cool xposed modules won't work as of date.

Nexus 6-

Decent screen

Decent Camera

Unlocked bootloader - so we can do what we want when we want. We also will be able to flash any rom from all the carriers because there's only 1 Nexus 6 for all 4 carriers. Something to thing about.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] Poloasis:
It's a hard decision for me too now the Nexus 6 has been announced. I do use the S pen several times a day at work as a network admin but I'm a crack flasher and not having safe strap anymore is an issue pushing me on the N6. But I have faith someone will pick up on safe strap and we can see some custom ROM coming for the GN4. If not not, in 3~5 months I'll grab the N6, I get unlimited phone purchase on my business account anyway with VZ.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] rushless:
Unless a cloud lover or lower app user, why bother? No sd slot means app and media juggling and Lollipop eats 20% more of the storage due to ART.