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[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] v3ngence:
Im glad you guys are happy but now there are all these tmob owners in our thread telling us to buy their $750 version...

Maybe I'm the only one but I definitely would regret paying $450 just for root apps...
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] jlczl:
I don't think anyone is paying $450 for root. The T-Mobile version is actually cheaper.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] WizeGuyDezignz:
The point isn't how much people are spending. The point is that we are sick of the AT&T to T-Mobile converts sticking around here and saying the same things over and over and over again.

We get it, you guys are happy that you got the T-Mobile version and root. I'm happy for you all to be honest. But please move over to their forums and stop the repetitive comments over here please. It just makes things here unproductive.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] jlczl:
Have you seen the title of this thread? The question is why are you here? I for one am on at&t so I plan on being in the at&t forums even though I'm using a T-Mobile phone. Actually, I'm over there too. :)
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] WizeGuyDezignz:
I understand which thread I'm in and I'm not singling you out. If people are in here and staying on topic and offering people info who are considering the switch, I don't have an issue with it.

It's the few people that constantly keep talking down towards people who don't want to switch or keep pushing their agenda to make the switch.

Oh well, I will stay out of it.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] mircury:
I genuinely feel bad for people on the ATT Note 4 that want root. That's the whole reason I stick around here in this forum. If they sell their ATT note 4 and buy the Tmobile device they are out little money actually but not hundreds.

I just know how I would feel getting a brand new device and then hopping on xda to root it and then getting the sad news. For me it would be enough to return the phone. The best thing we can do is just inform people with the options, and getting the tmo device is a little hassle up front but smooth sailing for years to come.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] fcb1:
Does anyone here insurance from a third party so they don't have to deal through samsung?
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] mircury:
I've used squaretrade for my phones before. I get the full accidental coverage. I've never had to file a claim before though. I usually search for coupons also with them.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] fcb1:
Where can one go about searching for coupons with them? And how long do you have until you can add it?
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] mircury:
Just google them. Retailmenot has some. I also got some in my email a while back directly from squaretrade. You have to have purchased it within 30 days.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] done12many2:
I don't think that anyone is meaning to brag about a functional T-Mobile variant, but offering feedback with regards to what this particular thread is about. If you were to follow the spirit of your advice, you would not be posting in this particular thread.

I frequent both sides. I check the AT&T Note 4 side for mostly service related information and the T-Mobile side for mostly hardware.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] yogi217:
As an at&t note 4 owner, I want to thank everyone for their comments. I'm considering switching to a T-Mobile version. I payed $100 for my att version. They are selling on swappa for about $650. I may sell it and pay $750 for a T-Mobile version. That's probably $100 (maybe $200 after shipping and taxes, etc). So, I can pay $300 for an unlocked note 4... Maybe I will, maybe I won't. I don't want to run custom roms anymore. I did miss titanium backup when I set up my phone, but in my daily use, I'm not missing root at the moment.

But, I'm grateful to hear people's thoughts and experience on this issue. Helps me make an informed decision, which is why I joined xda.

Thanks all!

Oh, and $200 for root right now isn't worth it for me... Maybe later, maybe never!
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] spinedoc:
As someone mulling this decision I have to disagree with you. I WANT the guys who bought the Tmobile version to use onto the ATT network to keep putting up their experiences. I have the ATT Note 4 and am still mulling over whether to return it for the Tmobile version. I read about many users complaining the Note 3 had issues, and that's exactly why I would like to keep hearing Note 4 users experiences. So far no complaints. Although I find little use for root these days, it's still nice to have and ATT's shackles and also the extra $100 they gouge us is kind of wearing on me and annoying me. The other issue though is that the current Tmobile root triggers Knox so maybe the grass isn't greener.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] MattMJB0188:
See I look at it as root and roms being mandatory for Samsung devices. Out of the box most Samsung flagships have obvious lag and low headphone volume. Those are the first things I change. With a locked down AT&T boot loader I can't touch either.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] WizeGuyDezignz:
If you look at my post, I am talking about unproductive posts for the most part. AT&T users who are posting their experience using a T-Mobile Note 4 and answering specific questions is awesome. I don't have any issues with that.

It's just that there were some people who were pushing an agenda to get people to switch and that's not the point of this thread.

In my opinion only.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] spinedoc:
Fair enough. I think people just get excited that they didn't get trapped with the AT&T one. I just looked up my receipt and I'm past the 14 day return so I'm stuck with mine. As I mentioned I don't care much as I don't really find Root useful these days, and the Tmobile root trips Knox anyhow. Still I wouldn't say no to it, but I doubt I'll go through the trouble of losing money on one unless I find a cheap one.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] flexfield:
Same here... please continue sharing your experiences on AT&T with your T-Mobile Note 4. :good: I find them worthwhile.

thanks..
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] yogi217:
I hear ya.

If I wasn't looking for some of the new baked in spen features of the new tw, then I'd probably not even get a Samsung and wait for the Nexus 6.

I love nexus devices for their unlocked bootloader and slimmed down rom, but right now, I need the spen for work. TW is ok, but I miss my stock Nexus 5 android rom. So smooth.

So it's a compromise for me right. It's not a perfect device, I can't tweak it either, but I have enough functionality to enjoy it. When that fades, I'll probably just move to a nexus 6 or ARA phone.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] stu5797:
Just curious but what spen features are lost with a custom rom? I am running a few different roms and all my spen features work
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] chodaboy19:
I ordered my T-Mobile Note 4 and got it the next day. I paid the full price and made the $50 deposit on top of that to avoid the credit check.

I called and spoke to a CSR for the unlock code, the first one said I needed to wait 40 days. I called again and spoke to another CSR and this time the unlock request was processed. I am not sure how long it takes to get the code. The CSR said it would take anywhere from 2 to 14 days.

I rather not pay the $40 to get the unlock code from a third party.

Those of you that unlocked your phone with a third party which service do you recommend?
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] MattMJB0188:
I also had issues with my Note 3 on AT&T. But I'm gonna take your word on reception. So its really noticeable, huh? Did you happen to notice if the signal in your office is on band 2, 4, or 17? I know the TMO Note 4 supports all those LTE frequencies, and AT&T uses them.

So just to clarify, you purchased the TMO Note 4 by just walking into a TMO store? I have done this, but I'm thinking what has to be done now due to the region locking? I do not have a TMO account and don't want one. Their service is bad around me. What was the price you paid before taxes?

My AT&T account is provisioned for LTE on an iPhone 5S, but the thing is once I get the Note 4 on TMO, I have to get a micro sim and they'll want its IMEI number which will mess everything up.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] tran1981:
I'm using Tmobile with my ATT Note 4. I get ok signal with T-mobile. Not as good as VZW. I can't get T-mobile version of Softcard app to work even though I got new Advanced SIM. This pop up when I try to open Softcard. "To use Softcard, your phone needs a different SIM card. We can help you get one."
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] done12many2:
I walked in and purchased. I had to get a prepaid account ($50) which will just expire at the end of the 30 day period. I went this route because I didn't want my credit pulled just to buy a phone. Having bought another house and all credit checks associated with moving... You get the picture.

The T-Mobile Note 4 was $749 and in addition to the $50 prepaid account, I had to buy a $10 T-Mobile SIM. I wasn't too concerned because I was still ahead price wise of the AT&T Note 4 costs.

I kid you not when I say that LTE my office is the absolute best to date. My office is a known issue for any cell signal for any carrier. I did pretty good with my AT&T Galaxy S5, but when I switched to the AT&T LG G3, both cellular and LTE reception were horrible! I was absolutely concerned about the T-Mobile variant of the Note 4 because I went through the whole T-Mobile Note 3 on AT&T issue. I figured if it didn't work out I'd return it and buy the AT&T Note 4 without too much loss.

I can't tell you what LTE bands I'm pulling at work because it was never a concern once I realized that it just worked. All of my coworkers in my immediate office are with AT&T. One with an AT&T LG G3 and another with an AT&T S5. The LG G3 continues to struggle as my own LG G3 did and the S5 is on par with the T-Mobile Note 4.

I don't have a solid answer for the AT&T SIM as I just continue to drop my AT&T micro SIM into new phones as I go. It's already provisioned for LTE and the security settings for use with apps like Softcard.

I know that the 5s uses a nano SIM, but couldn't you borrow any AT&T LTE phone in order to get a micro SIM issued. The SIM is specific to your account and not the device. They don't even have to install it in the borrowed device. When I converted from the standard SIM to micro SIM they just registered the micro SIM to my account/device and handed it to me. Then when I converted to another micro SIM provisioned for LTE and additional security requirements for the Softcard, they did their thing and handed it to me again. The only reason they ever wanted the IMEI was to ensure the right SIM/provisioning for the device.

Sorry about the lengthy post, but hopefully it helped.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] MattMJB0188:
Yes, you definitely did help. I remember with the S5, I walked right in a TMO store and bought it contract free. I didn't have any issues. Then I unlocked the device. I did not have to put in a TMO sim card and use the phone for five minutes. Just to get an idea on what you actually spent when getting your Note 4. You bought the device from TMO for $749 + tax + $50 prepaid + 10 sim? I don't know what state you are in, but that's about $850. Putting it on par with AT&T's Note 4.

As far as my nano sim situation goes... I have successfully used it with an adapter. But I was able to hunt down an AT&T S5 IMEI. That way I can call care and have them send me a new micro-sim and when I activate it I will just supply them with the S5 IMEI. That should work, right?

You also mentioned that you've used every Samsung flagship, right? I have too, and the lag is always there. How is this device in terms of responsiveness and lag? I plan on flashing my own rom, but out of curiosity does TMO include a lot of bloat out of the box? Is everything smooth?
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] done12many2:
I did my upgrade to the newer micro SIM (for use with Sofcard) with previous AT&T devices and that feature was enabled and working prior to switching to the T-Mobile Note 4.

Is it possible that you have to establish that service on an authorized AT&T device before switching to the T-Mobile variant? I have no idea, but just trying to help you brainstorm solutions.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] done12many2:
T-Mobile = $853.18 (phone, SIM and prepaid account) out the door after taxes.

AT&T = $869.77 out the door after taxes.

I think you may have forgotten taxes on the AT&T variant.

I attached a photo of my receipt to show you the exact breakdown with Virginia taxes.

As far as lag and bloat, I won't try to make it sound PERFECT, but it's close to it. There is still the occasional lag out the box, but that diminished greatly once apps were disabled. The T-Mobile variant doesn't have as much bloat as I'm accustomed to with the AT&T variant, but there are still a few apps to disable or remove.

Another benefit for those who have AT&T unlimited data, the stock Note 4 tethering app works out of the box when used on the AT&T network. As you know, the AT&T unlimited accounts are restricted at the device for tethering use, so using the T-Mobile version bypasses the restriction. I just switched to the new mobile share plan because of the double data, so it is now irrelevant to me. I got tired of continued throttling.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] MattMJB0188:
Thanks. :) so what does that $50 plan include you got? Did you get the white or black Note 4? I am undecided. Plan on putting any Roma on it? By the way, can you turn off LTE in mobile networks? I wonder if ATT VoLte will work. We have that hear. It works great on my mom's iPhone 6.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] done12many2:
The plan included unlimited talk/text data, but after 2GB of data, it supposedly dropped from LTE speed to a slower speed. I don't know, never got that far.

I bought a black one.

I do plan on ROMs, but I'm holding out just a bit longer as the phone is rock solid is it is right now. I'm traveling a lot at the moment and don't want to deal with issues on the road.

I read in another thread that the hidden menus let you change LTE band selections and let you turn LTE on and off, but I personally haven't done anything but verify that I can access the menu.

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=2922586

I haven't tried VoLTE.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] whatthehckeric:
Hey guys, I have a quick question hopefully someone here could help answer. I am using a T-Mobile Note 4 on ATT right now, everything is working great! My question is is there something I have to do in order to get LTE? Only the 4G Icon is showing up. If there is LTE in my area, the LTE icon would show up, right? Just want to make sure!
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] SupacatSF:
I have the TMO one on AT&T and it says 4G withe LTE written under it. I didn't have to do anything it just pulled the APN and it worked.

Do you have a new SIM card?
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] mircury:
Sometimes this happens if AT&T has a foreign IMEI such as a Tmobile device on your line. Is an AT&T IMEI still on the account or did you give them the new one?
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] whatthehckeric:
Thanks man, I just wanted to make sure if anyone else had a similar problem. Yeah, I just stopped by ATT yesterday, got a new microSIM and activated it.

I'm not entirely sure, is there a way I could check this? I just went to an ATT store, activated a new micro SIM, went home and popped it into my Note 4. It could possibly be because my area might not have LTE coverage from ATT yet.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] MattMJB0188:
If AT&T is all about BYOD, I wonder why their system is all messed up. Ridiculous the TMO IMEI can't be detected as an LTE smartphone.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] chodaboy19:
Well, T-Mobile refused to unlock my phone unless I hit 40 days on their network or pay 2 months service. I tried 3x and was denied each time. So, I called and terminated my plan.

I went to www.cellunlocker.net like many of you here suggested and had the unlock code in 80min. It cost $29.99 which exactly how much I got off from the T-Mobile promotion while ordering the phone :).

So far it's working great on AT&T and this version of the phone has very little carrier bloatware.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] MattMJB0188:
I really appreciate all your help. I may go to the mall in a little bit and pick one up (depending on if they sell it to me). If you have time later, would you mind letting me know exactly which apps you disabled out of the box? Have you rooted yet?
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] fcb1:
Yeah I have the same thing. And when I check on my account it shows I have a blackberry way back from 2005. What can I do in this situation?
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] whatthehckeric:
I am in the exact same situation as you, shows up as an old school blackberry as well! Really confused, I might contact ATT and see what's going on, but its difficult to verify as they said my area apparently has no LTE coverage as of yet.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] fcb1:
Well I'm in Los Angeles right now so I'm pretty sure this place has Lte lol. But it only shows the 4G without the lte right under
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] kaysond:
Anyone know if theres a way to get att visual voicemail up on the tmobile version?
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] MattMJB0188:
Cant you just download the app from the play store?
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] kaysond:
I guess I can... Any way to make the voicemail button in the dialer open it up?
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] MattMJB0188:
I don't even think an AT&T branded phone can do that. I've always just had the icon on my home screen.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] MattMJB0188:
All the T-Mobile stores are out of stock in my area. They did say they would sell it without an account though. :)
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] cushcalc:
What about the Canadian version, SM-910w8? It has all the LTE bands that AT&T has except B12 (according to pdadb.net). The Canadian version is already rooted. Canadian version usually has less bloat. I used Canadian ROM on my original AT&T Note with LTE, really liked it.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] MattMJB0188:
It's a lot easier to purchase the TMO version as we can just walk into the store and buy it. Where is that Canadian version available?
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] chodaboy19:
It probably would work, but it would just be a little harder to get warranty or support for it. The T-Mobile version doesn't really have much bloatware.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] ElAguila:
I purchased the tmo version and went online and got it unlocked. It works great so far with att. But I have noticed much slower lt3 speeds. Anybody else having this issue?
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] fcb1:
Make sure you're actually getting lte and it says lte
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] madmike23:
In my areas (Brea/Chino/Santa Fe Springs/Whittier, CA), I got much faster speeds on the Tmobile network than the AT&T network. Speed tested them both at the same time in all areas. After unlocking (still with stock rom), I shoved the AT&T sim into the Tmobile version and was the same speed as the AT&T version. Used the same "nxtgenphone" APN as was on the AT&T Note 4. So I'm guessing its not a phone issue, but a network one.

For some reason, Tmobile network is much faster than AT&T (in my areas, when tested). I'm not throttled yet either, makes me wonder if I should jump ship and move to Tmobile.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] whatthehckeric:
I contacted ATT Customer Service today via Chat and the representative who I spoke with told me that the device I am using (N4) is only capable of 4G speeds and not LTE capable. Anyone have an idea what to make of this? :confused:
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] done12many2:
Sounds like you gave them your IMEI from your T-Mobile Note 4? If you did, AT&T's system will essentially classify it as a non-smartphone because their system doesn't recognize other carriers' IMEIs. Regardless of the fact that your device is more than capable of LTE on AT&T's network, the network will not allow it.

Get a hold of an AT&T IMEI from an AT&T LTE device like a S5, Note 3 or anything LTE for that matter. If you call them back and use that number, they should switch your data to LTE. My understanding is they only ask for the IMEI during these calls for the purposes of proper service provisioning.

Keep us posted if it works out for you.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] whatthehckeric:
Ah I see. That makes total sense. I wasn't planning on giving them my IMEI but I wasn't able to find a solution to my LTE problem yet around the internet. I'll have to look around as I don't have any spare ATT LTE device lying around, but I'll be sure to keep you guys posted.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] ElAguila:
Mine is showing up on my account as a blackberry 7100g. I still see lte under the 4g icon. I have not given ATT my imei from this tmo note 4. The sim card was the one I had in my note 3. Will this be an issue or do I need to get a new SIM from ATT? Also are there any build.prop settings that need to be changed? I know there are settings for the apn. If there are, would they effect how att identifies the phone as in stop seeing it as a blackberry.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] done12many2:
If you are currently provisioned for LTE with AT&T, leave it as it is. Just ensure that you are getting LTE speeds. As long as you have the appropriate LTE APN, there is nothing else you need to change. No need to edit build.prop.

I did install TEKHD's AT&T's boot animation and LTE icons through his flash able file available here:http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=55989888&postcount=3
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] ElAguila:
Thanks for the info.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] scooby092477:
My T-mobile note 4 is on its way, it's never been activated on T-mobile though. Do I need to activate it with T-mobile to get it to region lock? Unlockunit.com said that the unlock code prompt will not show up until the phone has been region locked, so therefore I would need to get a t-mobile sim (prepaid?) to get the phone activated, then I could unlock it. I don't want to have to buy a t-mobile sim as I am an Att customer and it would be a waste of money. Can someone tell me what they did from a brand new t-mobile device?
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] jlczl:
I opened the box. Put my at&t SIM in it. It requested the unlock code. I typed it in. Done.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] Kristoph:
I've had this problem on my T-Mobile N4. Shows up as a Blackberry. I called att several times to changed it back. The phone kept changing back to BB. I finally talked to support and they are working on the problem. They said it has to do with the T-Mobile imei version not being correct in their database and reached out to have it changed. They also said the T-Mobile version will get LTE on their network.

Seems the N4's are the first phones that actually sort of call home periodically to check Sim status. At least this is what I was told. I'll wait and see if it gets worked out.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] soNburst:
Which is the best cheapest unlock service? There any below $10 that at reliable+
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] ShrekOpher:
You can change the device to whatever you want on there website. I just changed mine back to the Note 4 myself. You can even do it from the MyATT app.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] Kristoph:
Yes, I changed mine several times. At&t told me the phone sends an imei check (beyond the usual inserted Sim check) to their system to see what the phone status is and is new starting with the note 4.

Phones usually sent this info once an at&t Sim was inserted and it wouldn't send again. This is why before you could use another imei and it would stick. Not anymore apparently.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] Gonzorito:
Im using my att sim from my note3 in my tmob device and i have zero problems