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[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] muzzy996:
My understanding per their TOC is if you own the phone outright on T-Mobile and have had it active on their network for 40 days you can cancel and request an unlock code free of charge.

As for tax it isn't that big of a difference for me:

Full buyout on AT&T is $826 + 4.5% GE tax in HI = $863.17

On contract on AT&T is $300 + 4.5% tax = $313.15 + 24mo x $25 = $913.15

I've never done a Next plan so I have no idea if the $34 or $41/mo charges are subject to GE tax.

As far as the Best Buy offer goes I'm not interested in trading in my old phone, I'd rather keep it as a spare but yeah that extra money for a phone that may not be valued at that if sold on craigslist is definitely something to take into consideration.

Decisions decisions . . . . LOL !
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] done12many2:
If you purchase a phone on AT&T Next, the only taxes you pay for the phone are the full cost taxed up front.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] SupacatSF:
Hey, can you guys tell me how you are getting the T-Mobile version on AT&T? I understand the unlocking thang just curious how you are purchasing from T-mobile? I went today to a T-Mobile store and they said they are now only selling to T-Mobile accounts even out of contract? Thanks for any help!
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] sambrooke:
May be easier to get a Nexus 6 and call it a day. Just have to live without the removable battery.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] groovadelickun:
Have you tried purchasing online? That's how I purchased mine. It will have a contract, but you just cancel it.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] SupacatSF:
No I haven't as I didnt think of that and thanks! Are you saying but it online and purchase the cheapest plan and once you receive the phone cancel the plan and they will then charge you the full price? Thanks, just want to make sure.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] tonyph33r:
As I read tmobile unlock policy they have to unlock your device but rep keep telling me you must used 40 day. They need to read over there policy.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] abacus0101:
I fully understand the reasoning behind getting a tmobile phone to have an unlocked bootloader to get custom roms and delete bloatware, but as far as additional features, i have wireless tethering on At&t. The wifi calling isnt something i need as Im on unlimited calling already and have a decent enough LTE in home to make all calls, and download boost isnt important because I get 30 Mbps downloads already, so besides the bootloader, Im not seeing the tremendous gain to chance having a problem with a tmobile device on At&t except the bootloader situation.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] muzzy996:
http://support.t-mobile.com/docs/DOC-1588

Uh, the 40 day requirement is the first one on their month to month phone/tablet cancellation policy.

They will unlock the device on request if you're completely paid up and have had the account for the 40 day term.

From what I have read the safest purchase route is to buy out the phone up front choosing the cheapest plan to go with the phone and wait the 40 days before canceling the plan. This avoids ETF and any other potential claims they may want to place on you or blacklisting of the device etc.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] robstunner:
Still just as good reception? I got my AT&T Note 4 from best buy off contract for $889 (45 days no restocking fee = epic) and am considering getting a t-mobile one for root / unlock / resale value / still cheaper than $889.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] muzzy996:
That's where the subjectivity comes in; for some the bootloader is the very reason to do it. I know it is for me, since unlocked bootloader means ability to stay rooted as future Android updates lock this down further.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] amtrucker22:
Does anyone know if we have to put AT&T APN settings in to get wifi tether router to work?

Thanks!
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] done12many2:
Not at all. If you have the T-Mobile Note 4, the phone already has the correct AT&T APN in it to receive full LTE data to include SMS. Also, the stock WiFi tether app is completely functional without even rooting. Even if you are on AT&T unlimited data, which does not allow WiFi tether.

Plain and simple. Put in your AT&T SIM, unlock the T-Mobile Note 4 and WiFi tether just works.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] mahendra1020:
Using Best Buy Trade In offer its not going to cost $900.. Here is what my calculation and am planning to do ..

Cost of the phone after trade in = $100

Tax = $74

New activiation = $40

Extra for a month $15 (in your case its $25)

ETFafter 14 days = $325 (after a month its actually $315)

I bought a no contract net 10 smartphone for $22

So total cost of ATT Note 4 comes down to $576. And I dont need to pay ETF immediately if i want to keep the contract for few more months. People who have $900 to buy a phone outright, then yes T-Mobile note 4 or for that matter UK Note 4 makes sense. But am getting a note 4 for less than $600.

Yes I know i might not get a root or a unlocked bootloader but I also think is it worth paying $300 more just for a root and that too for an year or 2 as I will be buying newest and greatest of that time anyways..

It just comes down to personal need (using phone without root), whether you can pay that much money upfront or not. After seeing and using the phone (my wife has note 4), i feel i can live without root but thats my personal opinion. Of course i would definitely be happy if we get a root but its not a showstopper for me.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] amtrucker22:
That is awesome! I am guessing that is the 'Mobile Hotspot' app that is on there?

THANKS!
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] done12many2:
Yes. The T-Mobile HotSpot app.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] SupacatSF:
Their site says that for new phones "YOU MUST make a phone call with the original phone's carrier for at least 5 min. Is that true? Did you have to first use it on T-Mobile for 5 min to then unlock it for AT&T or is that BS and you can get the code and unlock it?

Thanks
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] chrispyutec:
First thing I did was order my code online, received my code, put in AT&T sim card, turned on phone, entered code and bam.....works right our of the box. Just took forever to get the code was my hardest part. Had to send a couple emails and made 2 phone calls to the unlock company before I finally got my code.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] SupacatSF:
Great, thanks so much for the feedback guys!

OK so here is my experience...

Found a black Tmobile Note 4 last night. Drove there and they sold it to me out of contract. Said it was a gift for dad.

In the car I went to cellunlocker.net and entered the IMEI and had an unlock code in around 60 min!

Got home and due to their instruction which dont really seem to apply lol I put the T-Mobile sim that came with it in and the only number that works is to activate a new sim so I called that and played around on menus for 5 min:D

I then put the AT&T sim in and it asked me for the unlock code. Put it in and bam!

Whatever you do, do not go with an Ebay store called Mobile_guy as you need to wait up to 6 days for the code. I originally went there for my AT&T Note 4 and am still wating for the code. Go with cellunlocker for a fast code or at least in my experience.

Stuff I noticed:

The TMobile variant just seems to have so much less bloatware.

Tethering works out of the box! One of the main reasons I did this as I use it a lot.

Bootloader is unlocked

Feature that I am new to is called Download Booster. It supposedly makes downloads faster that are over 30mb by using LTE and WiFi at the same time. If you have an unlimited plan, why not? Found out that AT&T and Verizon disable this feature.

After all this, I am so happy I switched. Even though I am a subscriber AT&T is just pure evil lol.

Thanks for all the help on this forum guys!:svetius:
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] fabiianrodrgz:
Verizon have Download Booster now with Note 4.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] McGragger:
Just got mine today and is working great on ATT. Is there anyway to get wifi Calling working?
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] done12many2:
It won't work without the T-Mobile SIM in.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] McGragger:
Is his an ATT/SIM limitation or purely software and fixable?
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] cnote74:
I know it takes a properly provisioned Sim and I've never seen anyone on AT&T use WiFi calling.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] msherman123:
If anyone is curious, I was able to walk in and purchase a note 4 off contract from TMobile w/o a Tmobile account today. The saleperson there said that if I do not have a TMobile account than it was just $20 more and that was it.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] Yakuzahi:
Was trying doing it yesterday but with no luck, every place I called ask me to open a new account.

So I did. They have plan that called: "Simple Choice No Credit Check" and you pay in the end of the first month but they do take $50 deposit that they will credit you back in the end of the 1st year.

So when I came home and unlocked my Note 4 I called to T-mobile to cancel the line (paid full for the phone) and was able to get the $50 back to me in few business days.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] mircury:
This is a AT&T limitation. Unless your phone number is with Google voice like mine, AT&T controls it. When you have calls AT&T's system does not allow it to route to wifi. It's on there end. The backend infrastructure just isn't there. If you port your number to google voice you can make and receive calls over wifi all day as well as cellular calls from your number. You could make outgoing calls though with your number by using a sip provider and changing the caller id it sends out, but most are not free.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] msherman123:
Who did you use to unlock and how long did it take? I got mine through cellunlocker and still waiting for my code after 15 hours. Heard this may be normal though.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] McGragger:
I did too and it was within an hour
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] SupacatSF:
Same here, around 45 min.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] sambrooke:
I have read online that you have to make a phone call for 5 mins or the unlock code will not work. Is that true?

Can I just buy an off contract one and unlock with that website listed above?
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] UniX1rm:
Got an interesting question, one of the reasons I'm sticking with AT&T so far is the phone insurance. I broke my previous note 2 without insurance and broke the note 3 and had insurance on it. Is there an insurance program to enroll in if I paid T-Mobile the full price of the phone and used it on my AT&T plan?
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] sambrooke:
I use securranty.com. They have honored warranty on rooted, unlocked etc.

The Phone just has to purchased new or refurbished.

Only difference is I don't think they cover lost or stolen. .
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] zoso28:
At&t's traditional insurance (through Asurion) won't replace a non-at&t device but there's a new insurance feature called MDPP (multi device protection pack) that covers claims for phones as well as tablets, laptops, etc so it might be worth calling and asking if the new one does cover other carrier's phones.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] SupacatSF:
I use Squaretrade for everything these days. I have already got paid full for 2 claims.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] abacus0101:
Squaretrade is great if your phone gets damaged. Problem is they don't cover lost or stolen phones...which I'm more worried about.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] SupacatSF:
Ahh got it:)
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] sambrooke:
Did anyone know if the phone will work even if never hooked up to t mobile? I have seen that you have to make a tmo call for 5 mins first
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] breacherman:
Hey done12, I know this threads kinda died down at this point, but I was hoping you could answer one more question for me, as I have a tmobile GN4 on the way right now to replace my at&t variant, largely based on alot of what youve said in this thread, and thx btw for all the info.

When you received your phone, did you activate it before you canceled the next day? I was just wondering if I had to insert the provided sim and activate before cancelling, I read a lot of the small print on the contract but I didnt understand half of it really.....I just dont want to do anything that will screw me over with them....thx.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] done12many2:
Yes, you'll need to install the T-Mobile SIM for the unlocking process. Per the instructions, you'll need to use the phone (make a call) for a minimum of 5 minutes before attempting to unlock due to the region lock.

Congrats on the order. You're going to like it a lot!
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] breacherman:
Ok, awesome thx man, yea can't wait to get it, my stock gn4 has been kind of depressing with no root and 5.0 root being completely up in the air, so I'm pumped to get this tmobile variant and finally have my unlocked bootloader woot!
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] msherman123:
Is there a good 3rd party insurance that does cover theft?
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] chodaboy19:
So T-Mobile will not unlock the phone even if you paid 100% up front?

I would need to pay for an unlock code online to able to use the phone on AT&T?

After 40 days T-Mobile would eventually give me the unlock code?

Thanks!
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] unpocolobo:
The way I understand the "region lock" is that as long as you buy a N. American Note 4 the first SIM you have to use for 5 mins is a US-based service, then you're good across the globe. Nothing I've read suggests that it has to be the carrier you bought the phone through. I could be wrong. Do you have anything more specific?
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] Dumbo53:
Well I did read specifically about region locking that you had to insert and use a sim from the original carrier to remove it (don't remember where sorry). However for those who never intend to travel and just want to switch between

Att and tmobile it's not necessary. You just need the unlock code.

It really depends on who you talk to at tmobile. I paid 100% up front and I managed to get tmobile to unlock my phone before I cancelled their service. It takes a manager to get it done and to expedite it, otherwise someone else will step in and put the kibosh on it if you haven't had 40 days of service.

I was nice to those who helped me and when others stepped in and queered the deal I called back politely as I could given the aggravation and tried to get a second manager to go through with it. When they did it right it took minutes not hours or days.

However after 40 days they will give you the code. That's their rule. Most folks find it simpler to just use an unlock service. I was going to as well but I thought I'd give it a shot with customer service beforehand and in the end I got lucky. I don't think you'll get anywhere if you just stomp around acting like an ...
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] ShrekOpher:
Bands For AT&T vs T-Mobile Note 4

T-Mobile

Quad Band GSM; UMTS: Band I (2100), Band II (1900), Band IV (1700/2100), Band V (850); LTE: 12, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 7, 8, 17

AT&T

4G-LTE Bands 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 7, 12, 17, 20, and 29

3G - UMTS 850/1900/2100MHz

GSM/GPRS/EDGE 850/900/1800/1900MHz

Wi-Fi connectivity 802.11 a/b/g/n/ac/r

So its looks like the T-Mobile variant is missing 2 LTE bands that AT&T uses (20 and 29). Does any one know if the T-Mobile version actually supports those bands or not. The above information is pulled for each companies website.

Thanks!
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] mircury:
No the tmobile version does not support 20 or 29. (It wasn't on the box like the other bands were.)

Phones that support LTE-band 20 (FDD-LTE) are suitable for roaming in Europe so I doubt ATT is planning on using band 20 in the US. Look at the Europe section and you will see why they added band 20. Tmobile in Europe uses band 3 and the US Tmobile version supports band 3 as does the ATT model. Band 3 support is more important worldwide than 20.

Look at this post for info on band 29.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] Flame Red:
I wanted to post this question here.

I have an annoying problem that started day one after I unlocked the N910T now being used on ATT. Stock ROM (both original and ANJ7) but rooted.

Sometimes when going out of WiFi range, I loose my mobile connection. Going into settings ==> More Networks ==> Mobile networks ==> Access Point Names, I see that "ATT Phone" is not selected. I am not sure what is causing it to be unselected. It does not do it often, perhaps once every other day. If I select "ATT Phone", the mobile connections works.

Anyone else experience this a unset of the APN?

Thank you in advance.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] SysAdmNj:
I got the Tmobile version and so far so good on att, I was already a prepaid tmobile customer maybe thats why they sold it to me maybe. Not sure if you just walk in they'll give you one, if they even have in stock.

Wifi calling doesnt work though, not sure why someone said it does above. Maybe I didnt set something right but when I tried to enable it I got an "ER05" code or something.

But seriously think I'm done with at&t's locked crap. For that I get an iphone.

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So you think the rooted rom you flashed is causing the issue?
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] Flame Red:
ATT does not support WIFI calling, thus the error.

It was "unselecting" the APN before I rooted it, so I doubt rooting it caused the issue. It is the OEM original ROM, well the second one that came OTA. Seemed to do it with both before I rooted.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] SysAdmNj:
I didnt take an ota's, as a matter of fact I have it postponed a tmobile update because I was afraid something like his might happen. Did you try flashing a another rom?
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] Flame Red:
Not yet - I see a handful out there and I am having a hard time decided which one to try. SkyFall or FireCat seem like the popular ones. But I have not seen if anyone on ATT has tried either of these.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] mircury:
Do you have google voice? That's how I wifi call on ATT. It works pretty well. Just download the hangout dialer (by google) from the play store. There isn't a handoff from wifi to cellular yet though so if you start a call on wifi you have to stay on wifi.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] SysAdmNj:
BUt doesnt google voice still access your at&t number's minutes? Which arent supported for wifi calling?
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] mircury:
Nope, If you make/answer a call using the hangout dialer it is totally over wifi (or mobile data if not connected to wifi). When you make/receive a call through the note 4 dialer it uses your ATT minutes. My main number is my google voice number so I could switch phones/carriers/desk phones all day if I wanted. I never will have to port a number again.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] Squilchi:
Just ordered the tmobile variant should be here wednesday. I just have to have an unlocked bootloader to fully experince this awesome device. i owned the tmobile note 2 and used it on att before all i had to do was add the att lte apn. Im assuming thats all i have to do with the note 4 as well?
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] stu5797:
You wont regret it! Loving my tmobile note 4 on att!
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] SupacatSF:
I didn't even need to add the apn as it pulled it down automatically.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] jlczl:
I haven't had any issues using my T-Mobile Note 4 on at&t. It works automatically. Super simple. I wish all at&t customers would return their device in protest and buy T-Mobile versions.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] MattMJB0188:
Those using their TMO Note 4 on AT&T, I often wonder what you guys will do for warranty repairs? What about when T-Mobile sends an update out? I'm assuming you won't get it as you don't have an active TMO sim in your phone? Not too mention, TMO devices are not optimized for AT&T's main LTE band (band 17). Last year with the Note 3, the TMO version struggled to hold onto AT&T band 17 LTE.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] jlczl:
Not sure what you mean by not optimized for band 17. As far as I've read it has all the same bands as the at&t version except 20 and 29 which are not being used for the most part. At any rate, my coverage has been rock solid. I even have more bars than the at&t Note 4 I returned. Not sure why.

As far as the update, I got it from T-Mobile even though I already had the at&t SIM card in it.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] stu5797:
Best phone decision I ever made was using the tmobile note 4 on att. Once rooted you can flash updates through Odin or use custom roms. I am loving that I control this amazing device. I have frozen or deleted so much crap. I love how this note 4 feels like mine and I am not borrowing it from att
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] Gonzorito:
Totally satisfied with my tmobile device on att as well. You won't regret it. I had an att note3. Bought the tmob online. Unlocked it immediately. Took the tmobile ota update, then rooted. No problems. Since i had the note3 att sim, no apn problems either.

I did have to disable/turn off the wifi calling feature which att doesn't support of course. Phone kept putting notification errors until i did that.

After a week I also started getting txt msg errors on boot. Error 122 or 221? Unknown number.

Easy problem / fix. Googled, and it was tmobiles visual voice mail wanting configuration. Just turn that off to and all has been well!!!

Totally worth it. ATT development forum activity has been silent besides a bounty.

I will say this...tried att hardware before i returned it. I do think their build is just a tad more responsive in places.

Most noticible on the app switch button pop up. Also the ATT comes with a stripped down version of swype that seems better optimized for the note4. The play purchase version still has a lagging problem that has been an issue for far too long.

All and all tho, I would still rather have my tmob model and the freedom / power that unlocking and root gives us!

Also, the note3 to note4 is totally worth it if you use the stylus a lot. The updated pen is just so much better than even the note3!
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] done12many2:
The phone is still warrantied. You also have additional 3rd party options.

The main point behind using the T-Mobile Note 4 on AT&T's network is that you have an unlocked bootloader while remaining on a great network.

With root/unlocked bootloaders there are no issues getting the update installed manually. That's the preferred method anyways. The update can also be installed manually without root.

I was one of the folks that had problems with the T-Mobile Note 3 on AT&T's network. Trust me when I say it's not an issue with the Note 4. Signal all the way to the edge of LTE is as good or better than any AT&T phone I've used to date. I understand that this may change when updates to AT&T's network and devices roll out, but it's a non-issue at this point and I'll probably be onto the next best thing whenever it arrives.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] MattMJB0188:
I wonder if the device will support AT&T's carrier aggregation.

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You have more bars because T-Mobile over calculates the signal. Always go by the -dbm strength.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] done12many2:
I'm not sure that it will. Doesn't seem to be anything readily testable right now with availability in one area if any at this point. I sure hope it is, but like I said earlier, I'll more than likely be onto the next device before this is even an issue for me.

As far as signal, I agree, dbm is the only way to go. With that said, I'm more than pleased with the signal of the T-Mobile device on AT&T.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] jlczl:
That may be so but either way I have no signal issues.

I too, am not concerned with carrier aggregation. By the time it comes to me I'll probably be on to the next Note (or other) phone. Additionally, I read that technology won't actual increase end user speeds only tower capacity?