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[Nexus 6  General] pedxing:
Agreed... It is incredibly likely that the amoled screens on the 2014 moto X and the nexus 6 are the same basic panel used on the s4 and note 3.

That said, anandtech has a decidedly disappointing review of the new moto x screen. It's objectively crappy compared most other phones recently released. However no other reviewer has disliked the screen in subjective (non instrumented) looks. In fact most reviewers love the screen.

Did anandtech get a bum device? They rated Max brightness at 241 nits. How is that even possible today?
[Nexus 6  General] LNJ:
Anand Shimpi works for Apple now. And so does one of the other senior Anandtech guy Brian Klug.

Just saying...

HTC One M8
[Nexus 6  General] bplewis24:
They've always been partial to Apple. And this is coming from somebody who's been patronizing that site for something like 10-12 years now and consider it the go-to source for reviews. They are more objective than most, but still, take some of their iOS vs Android product reviews with a grain of salt when it comes to subjective judgments and interpretations of data.
[Nexus 6  General] mp5cartman:
Thanks for the vid! I noticed that when they show the non prototype nexus 6 (without moto logo infront and other markings) the screen is off and it looks like its the midnight blue and when they show the screen on, they use the proto type.
[Nexus 6  General] mgear356:
That's great to hear! Gn was really a night mare at low brightness..

S4 wasn't as sharp as my g2.. I hope the 2k n6 will make a difference
[Nexus 6  General] LNJ:
I loved the screen on my Captivate and my S2. Only the AMOLED on the GNEX looked like crap. But since then I've only had LCD panels only cause the phones I wanted came with them.

HTC One M8
[Nexus 6  General] SquirtingCherry:
After 4 years of Samsung and sAMOLED displays i went the other way, got myself a lumia 930 to try something diffrent, i wanted this special device since it has an AMOLED display...... guys what a mistake, the quality of the screen is nowhere as clear as the ones from samsung, im serously going to wait for some proper reviews and try this myself, after coming from my note 3 the non samsung amoled screens are really a step backwards in quality. i'm talking about non accurate colors uneveness in whites and blacks and its not as sharp/crisp as you expect.
[Nexus 6  General] SenK9:
Some speculation based on above comments, let's say the Moto X (2014) and S4 use the same generation of AMOLED:

* Galaxy S4 - Max brightness 319 nits

Close up - http://images.anandtech.com/reviews/gadgets/Samsung/SGS4/subpixels.jpg

* Moto X 2014 - Max brightness 318 nits

Close up - http://images.anandtech.com/doci/8523/2014-09-14_09-42-58-PM_575px.jpg

Source: Anandtech

Seem very similar, in layout and brightness. The Moto X was released 12 months later. It would be then reasonable to assume the N6 uses the next generation of AMOLED, like the one in the Note 3 (which was released 12 months ago).

If so, then max brightness should be around 326, vs 462 on the Note 4, explaining the brightness difference in the video.
[Nexus 6  General] gtg465x:
All modern AMOLED screens in phones have integrated digitizers. Like someone said on the first page, "Super AMOLED" is just what Samsung calls its displays when used in its own phones. Just a marketing term. It's like Apple calling PDAF autofocus "Focus Pixels" in the iPhone 6. Other phones and cameras have the same technology, they just don't use the "Focus Pixel" name because Apple came up with and trademarked that marketing term.
[Nexus 6  General] gtg465x:
Pretty much all phones with AMOLED screens use Samsung AMOLED screens. They look worse for two reasons... 1) Samsung only sells its previous generation screens (currently GS4 and Note 3 tech) to other OEMs. 2) Samsung knows how to calibrate their screens much better than other OEMs.
[Nexus 6  General] 3473:
The Note 4 screen isn't exactly perfect either. I saw it in store, tilt it slightly to the side and the colors messed up. The note 3/s4/s5 didn't do that

Looking online it seems to be a common problem

http://xdaforums.com/note-4/general/colour-tint-screen-t2909552

It's put me off buying a note 4 so will see whether the nexus 6 does this too
[Nexus 6  General] hello00:
do u tilt ur phone when u need to use it? the first batches will always have problems..same thing when the nexus 5 came out..dead pixels..hissing sounds..gps slow..inaccurate..vibration is weak
[Nexus 6  General] 3473:
The nexus 5 had that issue for all batches. Point being you don't always have your phone 90 degrees to your face. Notification alert when phone's on desk, looking at phone on subway.. etc etc..poor viewing angles are not ideal on a top end phone
[Nexus 6  General] cobyman7035:
is IPS screen in the nexus 5 better then this amoled in the nexus6? why did they switch? i know its more of a premium phone now to compete with the note 4 and obliviate the iph6 lol
[Nexus 6  General] SenK9:
I don't think we'll know for sure, until the full reviews are out. However, we do know that in direct sunlight, AMOLED generally tends to do worse than LCD. We also know AMOLED has better contrast ratio than LCD. AMOLED has come a long way since the Galaxy Nexus days.
[Nexus 6  General] hello00:
because of their reduced maximum brightness however samsung's super amoled technology addressed this issue by reducing the size of gaps between layers of the screen
[Nexus 6  General] SenK9:
Samsung's AMOLED has improved substantially since the S4 days, but it's still behind LCD in max brightness. See below. Note that the bottom third of the graph is nearly all AMOLED screens.

From: http://www.anandtech.com/show/8613/the-samsung-galaxy-note-4-review
[Nexus 6  General] RedBlueGreen:
brightness isnt everything.. some of the top half of that chart.. they might be bright but they are also washed out.
[Nexus 6  General] hello00:
lcd displays will always have better view ability under sunlight
[Nexus 6  General] alex989898:
Brightness is clearly not the only factor when it comes to sunlight legibility.

Saturation, contrast and reflectivity of the screen play a big role here.

If you take a look at GSMArena review, you will see that under direct sunlight, the Galaxy Note 4 maintain a legibility superior to all of its competitors. Despite the facts that its brightness isn't as high.
[Nexus 6  General] SenK9:
Good point, it could possibly be the Note 4 running in 'boost mode' which increases it's brightness by nearly 40%. At 462 nits, it's good for any screen. I don't believe the Note 3 had this feature.
[Nexus 6  General] alex989898:
I don't know. As I remember, the GS4 already has this feature but I think it was removed afterwards.
[Nexus 6  General] cobyman7035:
no iphone 4 on that chart? i know its ancient, i still have use one lol, mostly as a flashlite when im doing computer repairs!
[Nexus 6  General] dykast:
Note 4 and Iphone 6 Display Mate tests

Display Mate basically says the display on the Note 4 is the best mobile display they have ever tested even above the Iphone 6+. In the Iphone 6+ test they say it is the best LCD display they have ever tested but not as good as the N4.

http://www.displaymate.com/Galaxy_Note4_ShootOut_1.htm

http://www.displaymate.com/iPhone6_ShootOut.htm
[Nexus 6  General] dazed1:
They are saying that with every release of new phone, just avoid them totally biased.
[Nexus 6  General] alex989898:
That's not the only review that say so.
[Nexus 6  General] SenK9:
The Displaymate results for brightness match the Anandtech ones closely. In other words, with the Auto Boost mode, nobody should have issues outdoors reading.

It's also worth noting that both the newer iPhones and the Note4 have accurate color profiles from factory. AMOLED has come a long way.
[Nexus 6  General] alex989898:
It will depend of which version the N6 will get IMHO.

Note 4 probably has the best display on the market right now. If the Nexus 6 comes with the same display (which is possible because we don't know if there is some last gen 2k AMOLED), it's great
[Nexus 6  General] msal:
I doubt it. The Nexus 6 doesn't look very bright in some of the hands-on videos we've seen.
[Nexus 6  General] cwalker0906:
Ive seen several post relating to nexus 6 possibly using last gen amoled technology....im question what is last gen amoled with a 2k screen? There is no such thing. 2k is the latest amoled tech so how can it be last gen tech?
[Nexus 6  General] neyenlives:
That's what I keep saying..... Show me another 5.96" 2k resolution amoled screen in any mass production.... enough to supply Googlerola with a worldwide epic phone launch.... It almost has to be a whole new display.
[Nexus 6  General] gtg465x:
The generation isn't necessarily defined by the resolution. The Galaxy Alpha actually has the latest generation of Samsung's AMOLED tech, but it is only 720p. The pixel layout and various other technological aspects dictate the generation. Historically though, Samsung has never sold its latest generation AMOLED technology to another manufacturer. They always give them the previous generation. That's why everyone is assuming the Nexus 6 uses the AMOLED tech from the GS4, just blown up to a higher resolution. We will know soon enough though.
[Nexus 6  General] alex989898:
That's exactly what I think. But there is other possibilities.
[Nexus 6  General] SeanPlunk:
Exactly. Here is a good article detailing the changes from the GS4 to the GS5.
[Nexus 6  General] gtg465x:
Yep, so when a macro shot of the Nexus 6 screen first appears, here's what to look for to see if it has last gen (GS4) or current gen (GS5) tech...

Last gen (GS4)

- Round / oval shaped green subpixels

- Blue subpixels are slightly larger than red subpixels

Current ten (GS5)

- Diamond shaped green subpixels

- Blue subpixels are the same size as red subpixels
[Nexus 6  General] SeanPlunk:
Exactly. Here is a macro of the 2014 Moto X showing it's using the same sub-pixel layout at the GS4:
[Nexus 6  General] SenK9:
+1 the last the few posts, I replied to that other guy in the other thread that AMOLED generations aren't dictated by the size or resolution of the final screen. It's the underlying technology, subpixels, lighting, circuity that are the big jump. You can cut out AMOLED in massive panels or tiny stamps, using the same generation of tech.
[Nexus 6  General] dazed1:
The screen od Note 4 is good, no doubt. But far from amazing/best ever.
[Nexus 6  General] alex989898:
yet this is what emerges from specialized reviews such as Anandtech, GSMArena, ...

It's at least on par or better than the iPhone 6+ display in every review I read. And this one was considered like the best display to date.
[Nexus 6  General] Dr Faustus:
Nexus 6 using the "Ambient Display" feature.
[Nexus 6  General] msal:
Looks great. Let's hope we don't get burn-ins a year later! :fingers-crossed:
[Nexus 6  General] tsy87:
uh, outside of the resolution, the g3 has a pretty crappy screen. The colors are terrible. I went from the m8 to the g3 and the m8 was far better than the g3.

Also, that video from carphonewharehouse must have been with a prototype device, the dimple is not suppose to be there and the guy says it has an LCD screen (though that could just be a mistake)
[Nexus 6  General] Darkangels6sic6:
As stated the resolution of the display has no direct relation to the technology of the display. Though newer higher resolutions will generally be on newer screens.

As well as these are WQHD displays. More like 2.5K.

2k is basically 1080p.

It's pretty much thought that the Nexus 6 is using a slightly older Amoled tech compared to the revised version that the Note 4 is using.
[Nexus 6  General] dazed1:
I saw some tweets from supercurio, he said that Nexus 6 most likely use same or very similar Amoled to the Note 4 :good:
[Nexus 6  General] spartanm99:
I used a G3 a few times and agree with your post; the G3 colours are dull and the screen isn't that bright or fantastic.

What do you think the chances are that the Nexus 6 will have Samsung's latest screen tech (like the Note 4)? Personally I think there is a 0% chance based on history.

Is the screen tech in the Galaxy S5 different to the Note 4 btw? I'm not sure if I missed it or not, just asking. Would be more comfortable knowing that the Nexus might get a similar screen to the Galaxy S5 compared with thinking that the Nexus 6 will get screen tech from the Note 3 (which was terrible in my opinion and brightness was bad).
[Nexus 6  General] Darkangels6sic6:
The G3 display is not really one of the greatest. The sharpness is good, but to compensate for battery the brightness is low, the screen is reflective, they choose larger saturations, and it's fairly power consuming.

And to be fair going all the way back to the Galaxy Nexus then you have to compare the LCD's of that time. Which were more saturated or under saturated as well as dimmer and more washed out and reflective.

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Burn in is not a common thing. Degradation generally still takes years to effect.

I still have a 2009 Omnia HD that has a flawless Amoled display.

Plus they keep improving and improving.

The Display can potentially reach up to 750 nits in auto brightness.

And they are less reflective than LCD.

The Note 3 and S5 were two of the brightest displays. Especially the S5 is. it outpaced the M8 and 5s in sunlight.

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No. The Panels were originally Amold. Then they changed the layers and way it's made and called it Super Amoled. It's Amoled, but enhanced with less reflective layers.

Just like Amoled is based off Oled.

No need to be so rude. Especially when you don't even have the info 100% correct.
[Nexus 6  General] mesquka:
Amoleds are really good screens. The blacks are amazing and the colors pop.
[Nexus 6  General] alex989898:
Yes and no. It seems that both use the same pixels arrangement and forms BUT, according to DisplayMate measurements, Galaxy Note 4's display consumes way less power despite the fact that it has an higher resolution screen.

So there is certainly some changes.
[Nexus 6  General] spartanm99:
Ah thank you very much for that information. Maybe the Nexus 6 will use the Galaxy S5 version of the screen, just bigger. Still better than the Note 3 version of course. But I doubt that would happen.
[Nexus 6  General] SeanPlunk:
The screen definitely doesn't appear as bright and the color temperature is different too (assuming same brightness levels). When you are looking at the Chrome icons the Note 4 pops more:
[Nexus 6  General] jbdan:
All the icons on the note "pop" a little more but hard to say when they do not have equal colored backgrounds. With black being the note4 background it's apples to oranges (+ what you said about mystery brightness levels)
[Nexus 6  General] SeanPlunk:
Absolutely. At the end of the day I think the Nexus screen will look fantastic, but I think in brightness and color accuracy the Note 4 will probably be technically superior.
[Nexus 6  General] alex989898:
Also note the fact that Galaxy Note 4 has several color reproduction modes and we don't know which one is selected.
[Nexus 6  General] jbdan:
Forgot about that one :thumbup:
[Nexus 6  General] MunkinDrunky:
Does anyone have the means(camera, lenses, etc) to obtain a macro of the screen, so we can really see the sub pixel layout?

edit: Found this on droid life. I cant tell, but it looks like n6 has round/oval green sub pixels (that seems to be easier to detect that size of red to blue). If you look at the different color sections it also looks a little like the blue sub pixels are slightly larger. However, since one section is more red and the other more blue, the red and blue subpixels are respectively brighter and hence look bigger that one another. The size difference of blue and red sub pixels I cannot determine.

[IMG="n6 screen- droidlife"]http://www.droid-life.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/11/nexus-6-macro2.jpg[/IMG]
[Nexus 6  General] fury683:
The Droid Life review has a picture of it. About 1/4 of the way down the post.

http://www.droid-life.com/2014/11/12/nexus-6-review/
[Nexus 6  General] MunkinDrunky:
haha i was in the middle of editing.
[Nexus 6  General] SeanPlunk:
The consensus seems to be that while not as good as the panel on the Note 4, the screen is more than adequate. Sure it would be nice if it was a little brighter and some people may not like the color temperature, but overall it seems solid.
[Nexus 6  General] neyenlives:
I don't even care how it compares to another device. A. It's bigger than my Note 3 display by over a quarter of an inch. B. They managed to squeeze in dual ff speakers in a device marginally bigger than my Note 3 AND a quarter inch bigger display C. It's unlock able and fully customizable.

With those three checkboxes filled, it can have a passable display, camera, and battery life and life is good.
[Nexus 6  General] Wbroshea:
Wait didn't you argue with me a while ago about the cost being justified by the no corners cut specs and how it is cheaper when compared to other flagships? And now you don't care?
[Nexus 6  General] neyenlives:
No wrong guy I guess but the fact it's cheaper and checks all my requirements for an upgrade from a Note 3 is a bonus!
[Nexus 6  General] Wbroshea:
OK. Sorry thought I remembered you from another thread. My mistake.
[Nexus 6  General] shredthecarpet:
2014 moto x pixel layout

On the first page the picture of the moto x pixel layout was said to be that of the older gs4 displays, however if you actually inspect it you will clearly notice it's the same as the gs5! It has the same size blue and red sub-pixels and the green are diamond shaped, unlike the alternating direction ovals of the gs4!
[Nexus 6  General] danarama:
Yes the note 4 is better, but this panel is very nice. I'm so glad to have moved from my N5. That was my only LCD android phone. Don't get me wrong the LCD was nice too, but I prefer AMOLED.
[Nexus 6  General] tiny1055:
I'm using lean kernel and set the white balance to 6500k reference and the screen is gorgeous. The stock setting is way too warm. I also opted to use lux auto brightness instead of adaptive brightness which also makes a huge difference. The screen makes my LG G2's look bad and that phone has a pretty nice screen.
[Nexus 6  General] doitright:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AMOLED#Super_AMOLED

All that "super amoled" means, is that the digitizer is GLUED to the LCD.

In other words, they're BOTH so-called "super-amoled".

In fact, they are very nearly identical displays. The MotoX2014 is stretched out by a whopping 0.1 inches compared to the samsung.

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Both the nexus 4 and 5 have beautiful displays that rival anything else out there at their respective resolutions.
[Nexus 6  General] RedBlueGreen:
nexus 4 screen was horrible and the nexus 5 one was okay. Washed out and bad viewing angles.

I love both the nexus 4 and 5.. I'm a nexus fanatic but i know the screens are not great at all.

Nexus 5 was better and you could also improve it with kernels and roms.. still didnt make is amaing but as stock is was pretty bad.
[Nexus 6  General] danarama:
I didn't think the 5 was washed out. I felt it was accurate. I didn't have a yellow tint on my screen though.

I'm just not a great fan of LCD.
[Nexus 6  General] funcrusher:
I love the nexus 5 screen.

Nexus 4 screen was horrible @ stock.
[Nexus 6  General] spartanm99:
I have the Note 4, iPhone 6+ on hand and used the Nexus 6 with all three together; I have a Nexus 6 on the way.

The Note 4 screen (Super AMOLED) is better quality than the Nexus 6; brighter, far less burn-in stories reported despite selling 10x more phones already and the colours are more vibrant with the ability to choose a more suitable settings if you like. Side by side, the Nexus 6 looks like a phone half the price of the Note 4 in terms of screen quality. The Nexus 5 is very comparable in quality of screen compared to the Nexus 6. If fact, it's colour balance and brightness exceed the Nexus 6.

The screen is not bad, but it is not amazing. A 1080P IPS panel (a real top notch one like in the iPhone 6+) would've improved brightness, colour accuracy, battery life and reduce the manufacturing cost of the phone a little (potentially). A win-win. They should've gone down this route as if they can't develop a screen to match or exceed the Note 4, then pass on it and go IPS. Nobody cares about QHD, I've never heard anyone complain 1080P wasn't enough or mention how amazing an improvement QHD is. In fact, most people I know don't care for FHD/QHD - they just want it to look bright and nice.

Summary:

Nexus 6 screen is ok but nothing amazing and not worthy to be in a phone of this price. The Note 4 (in most cases) is close in price (in some cases) the same price as the Nexus 6, but the screen is noticeably better. In the Nexus 6 you are at more risk of burn-in and will have worse brightness and colours, but it is ok for normal use. If you are outdoors often, I would skip the Nexus 6. If you just want to surf the web and do some simple phone tasks, it is ok.
[Nexus 6  General] vtmike:
I disagree. Ambient display, while not as good as moto's solution, is great and not possible without oled screen. Not to mention every phone LCD screen I've had or seen has had some kind of light bleed and uneven lighting that shows up on dark scenes in low light conditions. Oled does not have these problems either.

I agree with the 1080p argument. If the phone would have been cheaper, faster, and more efficient with 1080p I'd be all for that.
[Nexus 6  General] spartanm99:
Light bleed on LCD screens? The iPhone 6+ I have around doesn't have any light bleeding that I can see. I agree though that some LCD's do have it and it is annoying.

From what I've read online, people like ambient display but would prefer a notification light more as the ambient display doesn't really fit with the majority of people that I've found; it's ok, but it doesn't replace a simple notification light. So a notification light + top IPS display would've been best, for many at least.

Thanks for your input though - great to see another alternative :) either way, I'm sure that 2015/16 will be great years for phones.
[Nexus 6  General] asrr62:
Super AMOLED= PenTile

Super AMOLED Plus= RGB
[Nexus 6  General] vtmike:
Put your screen on full brightness and put a black image full screen and go in a room with no windows and lights off. I bet your iPhone lights up noticeably brighter along the edges of the screen. The only way to prevent this on a LCD screen is full array led back lighting and to my knowledge no mobile screen uses this.
[Nexus 6  General] spartanm99:
Yes, I know. So why can't Samsung (or anyone else) create a QHD Super AMOLED Plus display? As I understand, it is better than PenTile (am I wrong? Could stand corrected here).

The Galaxy Nexus, in my opinion, was not as nice a screen as the GS2, despite more pixels, likely due to the pentile setup. I think in terms of phone screen tech, we have a little while to go before we see absolutely stunning screens that work in bright daylight as well as every other lighting conditions properly. We don't really need more pixels, just better tech. QHD is plenty for a phone display, arguably overkill. Despite saying this, we'll soon see 4K phone displays (probably towards the end of 2015) while QHD become the 'norm'. Battery tech on the other hand, won't really change. Same-old same-old batteries, maybe just slightly bigger.

Eager to see how Sony's new Xperia Z4 screen stacks up compared to the AMOLED ones.

I've not tried that, but very interesting. For use everyday and night though the screen is top notch and seems very well made. If there is light bleed on the 6+ it really cant been seen during normal use.
[Nexus 6  General] danarama:
You're right. No mobile device has full array backlight with localised dimming OR even edge-lit. Only old-school backlighting technology.

I.wonder if it adds too much thickness.

Still, i would prefer AMOLED