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[Nexus 6  General] Wbroshea:
Good so the next time I see a post from you about the Specs justifying the price I'm sure you'll mention the increased profit margin too won't you. Once again I am ok with it. Im not ok with people thinking the specs alone caused the price increase.

Lastly you never answered, what numbers matter in regards to high end devices only? I still think high end devices are the minority both in volume and profit for the companies when compared to mid-tier and low tier devices, but I could be wrong and you seem to have a specific number in mind and I assume back up for it.
[Nexus 6  General] neyenlives:
Just saying the companies are profitable doing what they're doing. So roll with it. Or not...
[Nexus 6  General] force70:
The cost is what it is, either you will pay it because you want the device or you wont.

I have no problem with it, the nexus 5 was cheap to buy and it was also poorly built ..mine went back after 2 days. The worst build quality on a device i have ever seen.

I remember thinking i wish google would make a device and not try to cut costs..now they have.

You get what you pay for, works for me.

sent from Canada via my Note 3, Note 2 or One X+
[Nexus 6  General] LNJ:
I think Google is doing it to appease Samsung.

Tizen would have been an imminent threat if they didn't sell off Motorola!

Samsung was probably also cheesed that the last 2 Nexus devices was taking away from their S3, S4 and S5 sales.

Can't piss Samsung off for now cause they are the biggest Android handset makers....

HTC One M8
[Nexus 6  General] neyenlives:
I can tell you I know of ONE just ONE person who bought a Nexus, the rest bought a Galaxy device.... I work with hundreds of people and just in that small group only ONE bought a Nexus.

From where I sit, the Nexus devices did nothing to impact Galaxy sales.
[Nexus 6  General] chrisjcks:
Tizen was dead before it even started & I don't think it had anything to do with pleasing Samsung.

No Google maps, no Play Store!

Would have been useless.

I believe Tizen was created purely as a scaremongering tactic towards Google which didn't work as Google knows it would have been useless without any ecosystem or any services to offer.
[Nexus 6  General] LNJ:
Obviously. Stock Android looks pretty drab to the eyes of the average smartphone user!

Not to mention limited functionality until you install some apps whereas TouchWiz, Sense, LG UI and so on come stacked with features out of the box.

It's only the Android nerds that want the Nexus and whomever they convince as well as those who can actually see what a deal it is compared to the rest!

HTC One M8
[Nexus 6  General] ShapesBlue:
You couldn't be more right, I was telling a few people my next phone will be the N6 and they looked at me like I was from a different planet. I'm definitely looking forward to getting a nexus 6. Vanilla android will be nice to try out for once

From my CM11 S3
[Nexus 6  General] freebee269:
Yes. The htc nexus was 530 when I came out. Then after that Samsung made some nexus devices and they were over 500 when they came out. Only the nexus 4 and 5 were lower priced. So this pricing is not new.
[Nexus 6  General] Wbroshea:
How in the world does that make those wanting high end phones in the majority and those that want good enough for less money in the minority? That is what you said, right? Please explain.
[Nexus 6  General] neyenlives:
The sales numbers speak for themselves. I don't care of the majority of sales come from 70% low end device sales...... The fact is more people are fine with the way things are than are not. Otherwise they would keep putting out $700+ devices and making money hand over foot.
[Nexus 6  General] LNJ:
It's not that simple. Most of it is carrier subsidy or contract pricing. Not everyone is paying full price out of pocket at this new pricing.

HTC One M8
[Nexus 6  General] neyenlives:
Good grief. Pay it or move on. Nobody cares.
[Nexus 6  General] LNJ:
Obviously it's bothering you since you replied...

HTC One M8
[Nexus 6  General] neyenlives:
Have fun being "that guy". Meanwhile the rest of us move on....
[Nexus 6  General] LNJ:
Oh how presumptuous of you to think that you speak for everyone else!

Aren't you special...

HTC One M8
[Nexus 6  General] neyenlives:
The market has spoken. Time and time again. With the companies selling the devices you love to hate while making millions...... Get over it.
[Nexus 6  General] ShapesBlue:
People who truly cares? So it may indeed be $649, build a bridge and get over it. Enough said

From my CM11 S3
[Nexus 6  General] LNJ:
What are these devices you think that I hate?

Damn I wish Tapatalk had an ignore button to block trolls!

HTC One M8
[Nexus 6  General] neyenlives:
Ok.. Buy it or don't. Move on...
[Nexus 6  General] ShapesBlue:
See my post a few back, but I couldn't agree more

From my CM11 S3
[Nexus 6  General] ddloco:
Any body that doesn't think this is a bad move on googles part is just blind or ignorant you don't release two devices each year for two years at a 50 to 100 dollar difference then in the third year jack the price up 250 bucks its really business suicide on there part! I for one look at it as if I gotta come up with 650 for a nexus I'll just say f-it and add 150 to it for a note 4.

This is just my honest opinion no body get your underwear all bunched up Okay
[Nexus 6  General] ShapesBlue:
Agreed somewhat. You have Nexus devices on your carrier, we had a botched version of the Galaxy nexus on ours. Personally I don't want to pay full price but I've wanted a nexus for awhile and at least with your version of the note it isn't locked down

From my CM11 S3
[Nexus 6  General] ddloco:
I'll rather pay full price and T-Mobile has to release the unlock code because then it will be my property not tied to them in any way. If I gotta pay a premium price I'll just get the better camera and removable storage for 100 to 150 more , why not I'm already over my budget might as well go all out
[Nexus 6  General] ShapesBlue:
That's true. Trust me I'm not with big red for the prices that's for sure

From my CM11 S3
[Nexus 6  General] Carphedon:
Haters gonna hate. If it was 300 dollar people would all be crying because of the phone not having top of the line specs..
[Nexus 6  General] lawrencedax:
$650 is right on par with 5 inch flagship devices! Compared to similar devices (Note 4 and iPhone 6+) this phone is still hundreds of dollars cheaper for what you're getting. And simply, there was NO way this phone was getting on EVERY major carrier and sell for a cheaper price than what the carriers were going to sell it for.
[Nexus 6  General] expertzero1:
Going to get this through T-Mobile just so I can finance it and by next year, another nexus should be out and I'll just jump :)
[Nexus 6  General] ddloco:
Its not about hating in reality I don't like Samsung but it I'm going to pay close to that much money I might as well get the better specs
[Nexus 6  General] neyenlives:
The signal is gonna suck..... The sound is gonna suck....
[Nexus 6  General] Wbroshea:
That's some logic you have there. So the majority of people don't buy high end devices but rather mid-tier and low-tier. However, since the company makes money, the majority of people, including those that chose not to buy a top tier device, are all ok with the way top tier phones are priced. How could one argue with that logic :confused:
[Nexus 6  General] donnyp1:
From what I can find, the nexus 6 is assembled in the USA. Not with CHEAP Chinese or some other 3rd world countries cheap labor working for peanuts under crap conditions. Externally the build looks top notch. That being said, I'm amazed they are able to offer it for only $649. Can't be compared to Samsung or apple(especially) because of where they build their phones.
[Nexus 6  General] Wbroshea:
I guess we shall see when the phone teardown occurs. Then we will see really how much a "premium" phone gives you vs the likes of the n4 and n5. My guess a lot less than you would hope for. I put my money at right around 300.
[Nexus 6  General] THE_KINGDOM:
We still have airheads on this thread.. Wow

Actually they did it before buddy.. They just CHOSE not to sell it cheaper this time.

Instead this time they've increased profit margins drastically, for whatever reasons
[Nexus 6  General] Jfree3000:
Already have a note 3, the 4 did not impress. Interested in the front facing speakers on this phone since Samsung put the speaker on the back of the 4 which was another negative.
[Nexus 6  General] LNJ:
So is Chevrolet, Chrysler and Ford. Their quality is highly questionable so why generalize?

HTC One M8
[Nexus 6  General] THE_KINGDOM:
Assembly and manufacturing are 2 different things also FYI. Some VW's assembled in Brazil but parts imported from Germany
[Nexus 6  General] lurtis:
Everyone seems to forget the US is all about some capitalism, AND Google is a BUSINESS. Sole purpose of a business is to generate income. So what if they're gonna make money on a phone.

You can still vote with your wallet.

Sent from my LiquidSmooth G2
[Nexus 6  General] LNJ:
Lol maybe it's a parting gift to Motorola.

Hey Moto, we bought you over but were only really interested in your patents so we could cover our butts from getting sued left and right!

Thank you for being our mistress and here's the profit we promised you.....

I may be wrong but I don't remember LG selling the N5 or the N4 directly but Motorola seems to be doing it with the N6 in conjunction with the Play Store.

HTC One M8
[Nexus 6  General] THE_KINGDOM:
Nexus 5 " the worst build quality on a device I have ever seen" ?!?!?!?!? You must be out of your mind!!! this was one of the highest quality built devices I've ever seen.

Probably the reason why they're deciding to keep it in the run for another year without replacing it. It's a highly successful phone, minimalist design, great design.
[Nexus 6  General] monkeypaws:
Exactly. I've had no build quality issues on my n5. The people who blew up the issues on XDA where small and few and way too loud.
[Nexus 6  General] LNJ:
My N5 was the most beautiful Android handset that I owned. Very minimalistic. Only concern was the not so good speakers but at least the volume gain was fixable pretty easily!

HTC One M8
[Nexus 6  General] oneplus:
I do not mind the price tag. Is just that when I think my macair cost $674...how productive can this phone be...not to forget that android phones lose lots of their value within 1st month.
[Nexus 6  General] force70:
Not sure when you got yours but i had mine the first week after they launched and it was awful. Perhaps because mine was an early build it had more issues but either way...

Screen bleed, power button was very loose and rattled badly. Not to to mention the speaker and sound were awful and dont even ask about the camera.

Not complaining so much really, as I mentioned it was cheap and i got what I paid for.This is why its still selling..people are generally cheapskates..that there are threads with people crying about the price is proof of that lol.

that and it has tons of development of course

I'm glad they pinned moto for the build this time and hopefully the price means means higher quality.

It will be probably close to $800 with tax here in canada and i have no problem with that whatsoever.

sent from Canada via my Note 3, Note 2 or One X+
[Nexus 6  General] THE_KINGDOM:
You do understand that's OVER DOUBLE the price you paid for the Nexus 5 in Canada..

Listen I'm all for small price increases resulting in better build quality.. But this is not the case here.. At all
[Nexus 6  General] force70:
Doesnt bother me in the slightest...whats another $3-400 when your getting

A 6" quad hd screen

Larger battery

Stereo speakers

64gb memory

Motorola build quality

Worth every penny.

sent from Canada via my Note 3, Note 2 or One X+
[Nexus 6  General] THE_KINGDOM:
You are the naive type that fuels the manufacturers to continue to think that these prices are okay and to further raise prices. So keep at it.
[Nexus 6  General] barondebxl:
Give up man, the price is what it is. And it is more than justified. If you're unhappy about it that's another story but if you think it's overpriced then you should start by picking on other devices and rationally explain why they are overpriced before you talk about the nexus 6.
[Nexus 6  General] force70:
I believe you are mistaken sir, its called I have a great career, no debt very few expenses and thus disposable income to spare. To presume to think you know my "type" without ever meeting me is very amusing to say the least.

however if my position in life qualifies me as being naive im cool with it because I have a great life. I don't need to complain about what things cost, hardly my fault if you are not in the same boat.

I dont look down on people who are not as fortunate as myself, but I also would not expect to be told im naive because of it (especially from a fellow canuck) that shows poor taste on your part even though it did make me laugh.

You have your view, i have mine the only difference is i have some respect for my fellow xda members.

Not enough of that here lately.

Regardless of the price im very much looking forward to getting my 3rd nexus device!

Baron, good to see you here..picking up a nexus?

sent from Canada via my Note 3, Note 2 or One X+
[Nexus 6  General] Datafiend:
I don't see the big problem with the price. That is normally what unlocked flagship phones go for. The Note 4 goes for $750 and HTC One M8 was $699.99 as launch. They aren't asking an outrageous price for the device that you are getting.
[Nexus 6  General] barondebxl:
Good to see you too :)

Still thinking about it. I'm in a big dilemma. I currently have the iPhone 6 and to be honest I absolutely love this phone. It's the perfect size for a smartphone and its battery life is surprisingly pretty decent to pretty good for my usage. I have a 6plus on order due to ship early November but I'm also thinking about the note 4 and of course nexus 6. So as of now it's gonna be either 6 plus, Nexus 6 or note 4. I'm kinda tired of touchwiz a little so it's more nexus 6 and 6 plus now.
[Nexus 6  General] force70:
I picked up a 6 for my wife...not bad. Shes getting way better battery out of it than the 5 thats for sure.i had the 6plus in my hand and was honestly tempted. .never thought that would happen lol

I have a note 4 (note 3s lol) coming but the nexus 6 is almost a perfect device for my needs, and it would be nice to have some Vanilla android. Of course now with the G3 bootloader unlock now...

Yep....dilemma. ill probably end up with all 3 knowing myself lol.

sent from Canada via my Note 3, Note 2 or One X+
[Nexus 6  General] donnyp1:
There are 3 american cars built by at least 75% american parts, only 3. A loaded Malibu costs as much as a Mercedes CLA. Cars are not a good comparison, you missed the point. Its more expensive to assemble here. The parts may be cheap, but it costs a lot more to assemble in the USA than it does in China.

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Geez you guys are dense. It costs MORE to assemble in the USA! Give it a rest and don't buy it. I can afford it, it doesn't bother me about price at all.
[Nexus 6  General] THE_KINGDOM:
This thread was never a question of who can afford it.. It's overpriced that's the only point I was stating.
[Nexus 6  General] donnyp1:
That's your opinion, doesn't make you right.
[Nexus 6  General] elementaldragon:
Overprice in what way, exactly? In comparison to the Nexus 5? Of course it's overpriced compared to that. The phones were/are in completely different leagues. The Nexus 5 was built based on the LG G2 (which was released with an off-contract price of around $600-630. It also took a hit, spec wise, on nearly every account:

Slightly smaller screen (4.95" compared to the G2's 5.2")

Poorer sound quality (G2 featured Dolby mobile sound enhancement, and i have to admit, the sound quality with the headphone jack isn't the greatest on the N5)

No IR Blaster, like the G2 has

8 MP/1.3 MP front/rear camera (compared to the G2's 13 MP/2.1 MP shooters)

could only shoot 1080p at 30fps, as opposed to the G2 doing so at 60fps (it's FFC could do 1080p @ 30fps)

no FM receiver

2,300 mAH battery (compared to the G2's 3,000 mAH battery)

That's quite a hit in specs between the two.... which pretty much justified the $350 price point. I mean really.... there basically isn't anything in regards to the Nexus 5 that was an improvement over the G2, aside from running pure, unskinned Android.

Now you have people saying "EEW, the Nexus 6 is SOOO overpriced! It should be cheap like the other Nexus's." Why? Have you looked at the specs? Have you compared them with anything? Or are you just assuming that just because the N5/N4 were around the $350 price point, that ALL Nexus devices should be around the same price point? If you were observant, you'd have noticed that the Nexus 6, while built by Motorola, is damn-near a clone of the Galaxy Note 4. Not even joking about that. You want to see how extensive the list of differences are between the Nexus 6 and Note 4?

Nexus 6 Pluses -

5.96" screen (Compared to the Note 4's 5.7" screen..... yep... that's right... the Nexus 6 has a BIGGER screen, while being only slightly larger physically than the Note 4)

Stereo front-facing speakers (Note 4 don't have that)

Water Resistant (Not on the Note 4 either, according to GSMArena)

Note 4 Pluses -

16 MP/3.7 MP front/rear cameras (Nexus 6 uses a 13 MP/2 MP camera setup, and both the Note 4 and Nexus 6 feature OIS)

IR Blaster

And to be quite honest.... unless you find a microSD card slot necessary (when you can just as easily (and probably more cheaply) buy a USB-OTG flash drive, or use the plethora of online storage/streaming options we now have available), or ever plan on bragging to people about how cool your Fingerprint reader (which from what I've read can be a royal pain to get to work properly) or your S Pen stylus is (which you'll probably only really use in those "Look how cool my phone is" moments).... that's about the only two things the Note 4 has that's better than the Nexus 6 in comparison. They use the same size battery, same resolution display, same recording capabilities, same chipset/CPU/GPU used, same amount of RAM.... pretty much the same everything.

If you still think the Nexus 6, priced at $650, is overpriced when compared to the Note 4, which is priced at $829 off-contract..... i feel sorry for you.
[Nexus 6  General] donnyp1:
You nailed it. Every aspect, I totally agree. Thanks
[Nexus 6  General] mELIANTE:
I don't think it's overpriced either. Twelve years ago, when I bought my first flagship phone it cost 600€+ so, adjusting for inflation, it's roughly the same. The problem is we were spoiled by the last 2 Nexus generations.
[Nexus 6  General] SenK9:
Some food for thought .. Motorola's last smartphone factory in Texas closed in May this year (which was the only smartphone factory in the US):

http://www.bbc.com/news/business-27643474

http://www.wfaa.com/story/money/2014/08/21/14220220/

http://www.androidpolice.com/2014/0...to-xs-made-america-sign-closes-factory-texas/

Motorola smartphone production then moved to China/Brazil factories. It's pretty safe to say that the Nexus 6 is made in either China or Brazil. Whether it's Motorola's facilities (run by Flextronics) or whether Lenovo will roll it in with theirs, who knows.
[Nexus 6  General] yungl82:
Please enlighten me on when they've had phones on EVERY major US carrier? Don't worry, i'll wait Mr. Airhead.
[Nexus 6  General] Goku80:
very surprised by many posts here avoiding to ask the most simple question...why no 64bit chip on a phone that is suppose to showcase the next android version? the tablet has it so why not the phone..

if the phone had 64bit support on it i would of been all over it..but it does not have it...so for me still to pricey
[Nexus 6  General] SenK9:
Probably because this Nexus is a repurposed Android Silver phone that was in the works for years, and it was too late to change anything, it's evidently quite different from previous Nexusus. The Z4 will be announced in a couple of months with a true 64-bit SD810 chip, as will a bunch of other phones.
[Nexus 6  General] Suo.Eno:
Matter of timing... If you've been keeping up you'd notice that Qualcomm had announced that they can only get 808 and 810 out on their plate by Q1 2015. anything lesser like 615 earlier... and I'm confident as hell that there's enough Nexus fanatics here who won't settle for a SD615. And before anyone ask then why didn't Moto+El Goog work on paring down Denver for shamu as well, the answer is obvious; that monster of an SoC will eat the 3200mAh batt faster Kanye does Kim K.
[Nexus 6  General] elementaldragon:
Really? You think it's because it's an Android Silver phone that's been in the works for years? And yet they manage to have 98% of the same exact hardware that the Note 4 has?

And to be quite honest, i don't imagine a 64-bit phone really doing all that much, performance wise. Yes, the iPhone 6 and iOS 8 are 64-bit.... but you're also talking about a dual core phone with 1GB of RAM, unlike the Nexus 6's quad-core phone with 3GB of RAM. Which i find kind of surprising that the Nexus 9 only has 2GB of RAM with the Tegra K1.
[Nexus 6  General] Wbroshea:
Who is comparing the Note 4 to the Nexus 6. Sure if you do that then it is fairly priced, but doing that is just so you can prove yourself right. Surely the cost comparison should be what google recently sold phones for and what they are selling them for now.

Now is when you will claim, but this phone is much higher specced relative to the N5 was at release. Well fine then how much more in parts costs do you think that was? For reference, the Note 4 parts cost $260. So lets say generously the N6 costs $50 more to build than the N5 did at release. What else accounts for the increased costs. Its simple, a change in google philosophy to increase profit margin. <this is what people are really complaining about as it seems in the past with the Nexus program Google never had profit in mind which made the phone "different" than the others. It served a purpose that indirectly lead to profit for google. Now it serves the direct purpose of making money.

Now you will claim "but a company has to make money good lord this is america." Google does make money and hardware was never a profit machine for them, in fact it was likely a drain, but it brought in revenues by other channels and furthered Android. I don't mind they make money, in fact I am for it, but what changed to make such a huge change in philosophy so quickly? Also what purpose does the phone fill? Is there a need for developers of phablet sized phones? I don't know I am just asking. Basically this is just another flagship phone, so as a Nexus owner since the N1, I am disappointed that there doesn't seem to be any purpose for the phone, so I can and will find another. I imagine most early Nexus owners understand what I am saying, may not agree with it, but understand it. Those who haven't owned a nexus or coming from flagships won't likely understand and will continue to claim the speccs alone justify the higher cost, which sadly they don't.

Have I covered everything?