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[Nexus 6  General] neyenlives:
The carrier auto preload in Lollipop that prevents apps from being loaded to system is still optional at this point according to the article on it. The carriers can still preload apps on system. They don't have to participate.
[Nexus 6  General] jkc120:
Short of opening each box or having moto flash different images at the factory, how exactly would Verizon get they crapware on the N6 system partition? I really don't see that happening.
[Nexus 6  General] SilkyJohnson:
Droid-Life published a video showing the Play Store version working 100% fine with a Verizon sim, no tinkering necessary.
[Nexus 6  General] jkc120:
He unlocked the bootloader in the video or showed the OEM unlock option in settings?
[Nexus 6  General] SilkyJohnson:
Nowhere did I mention the boot loader, but if you read my post you would see that he used a play store Nexus with a Vzw sim with zero problems.

Obviously the play store Nexus can be OEM unlocked. Unlocked BL + Vzw.
[Nexus 6  General] jkc120:
We were talking about the bootloader, hence why I mentioned it. I don't foresee any way that Verizon will be able to disable the oem unlock option in developer settings, neither for the GPS device nor for the one they will sell in stores. Unless they are having Moto flash specific images to their batches of N6's, but I really don't see that happening.
[Nexus 6  General] neyenlives:
Except that's what they've done with every other device so far, order their own specific configuration from the manufacturer..... I hope this Nexus breaks that trend.
[Nexus 6  General] jkc120:
If they truly decide to do that (I hope not), then I'm glad I got mine through the play store. Although I guess if you're subsidizing the cost, they have a "right" to give you their software. But that's an entirely different discussion.

We won't know until someone gets their hands on the actual device sold in the Verizon stores, but if Kellen was able to use the GPS N6 on Verizon I have hope that there will be no issues activating the GPS one and that the Verizon one will be the same as the GPS verison, where both will get some pre-installed apps on /data based on the VZW sim card. *crosses fingers*
[Nexus 6  General] wtherrell:
There would be torches and pitchforks!
[Nexus 6  General] neyenlives:
Absolutely agree. I just am treating this with apprehension, expecting the worst and hoping for the best. Because Verizon
[Nexus 6  General] impala454:
I'm curious if there's any precedent from any previous Nexus devices to think that Verizon would lock the bootloader or load bloatware on them.
[Nexus 6  General] daddioj:
that doesn't unlock the bootloader. it allows the bootloader to be unlocked. if you read it correctly
[Nexus 6  General] akellar:
They've only ever had one Nexus device. Bootloader was fully unlockable and "bloatware" was minimal (although it seemed to bug some people).
[Nexus 6  General] jkc120:
Obviously for people not running stock, it was irrelevant, but I think their main quip with the bloatware they were allowed to add is that it slowed down the release process. This time around, hopefully that's not an issue but if Verizon is dragging their feet, they might be trying to alter the terms of the agreement with Google.
[Nexus 6  General] mrw1215:
For what it's worth, I had a Galaxy Nexus on Verizon. I remember a lot of people complaining about stuff here and there, but I was running custom ROMs, so I never had any kind of concern with bloatware or updates.
[Nexus 6  General] blackhand1001:
I doubt it will be locked. There is only one version of the nexus 6 for the us market. All carriers are getting the same phone.
[Nexus 6  General] Tidbits:
They are all locked... If you have to use a command fastboot oem UNLOCK then it must be locked to unlock it.

With that correction they all are more than likely unlockable. It would be to much trouble to have the same model numbers with different bootloaders and trying to make sure you don't mix them.
[Nexus 6  General] jkc120:
I walked into a Verizon store today and they gave me a nano sim, no questions asked. Should I activate it ahead of time? If so, can you activate it in an S4 with a nano to micro adapter? Or can I pull the nano sim from another already active device and use that device yo activate it? I'm guessing I won't be able to activate it directly with the Nexus 6.
[Nexus 6  General] Tidbits:
I use a nano Sim with an adapter no trouble so far.
[Nexus 6  General] jkc120:
So what do I do? Just put it in my S4, then call Verizon to activate it? Or is there a way to do it online? Just want to avoid losing unlimited data and also if it doesn't work possibly being without service on the S4 as I'm assuming the micro I have in there now would get deactivated (though hopefully only if the nano activates properly).
[Nexus 6  General] Tidbits:
Yes I gave them my Note 2 IMEI to activate it. Then I turned on the phone and all was working. I haven't gotten my N6 but no buggy I expect it to work as it works in the M8 I bought on CL.
[Nexus 6  General] jkc120:
But the only nano IMEI I have is the iphone5 and there's already an active nano sim in it...
[Nexus 6  General] Tidbits:
Doesn't matter just take out the Sim out of the iPhone 5 and use it just for activation. After that it doesn't matter what the Sim is in. It's just needed for activation and that's it.
[Nexus 6  General] jkc120:
Oh perfect, so they won't care that there's already a sim that is being used in that device.
[Nexus 6  General] Tidbits:
No the IMEI is needed to send the info needed to activate the Sim from my understanding.
[Nexus 6  General] mrich137:
When you use an already active SIM in a new device it basically just transfers your service over to the new phone. A little over a year ago I opened up a new line to get an S4 and as soon as I left the store I just stuck in the SIM from my GNex and my regular phone number was on the S4. The problem people are having with getting the N6 activated are people opening a new line or people without a microSIM. If you use a SIM already in use, the phone it came from will be deactivated and service will transfer over to the new device.
[Nexus 6  General] lordgodgeneral:
All you need to do is get ahold of a nano sim. My S4 was micro but got an unused nano from my work, took 30 secs to activate with a rep over the phone and now cruising ony N6. Also for those wondering tethering does work on Verizon but you need either a tiered plan or be paying for 4G tethering on the unlimited.
[Nexus 6  General] jkc120:
There were reports of AT&T tethering not working, too. Wow that sucks, but I'm sure someone will come up with a hack or worst case once CM12 stabilizes... I use tethering quite a bit for work but I refuse to pay for a shared data plan on Verizon to be able to use that feature. I still use < 2G (often < 1G) a month.
[Nexus 6  General] neyenlives:
There are other advantages to the shared data plans. They recently upped the data allotments, you get unlimited talk and texts, and the more everything plans are also compatible with edge in that the bill credit per smartphone purchased on edge on a more everything 10gb or higher plan basically pays for a brand new top tier device every 18 months..... I was like you, but when I sat down and did a comparison for what I was getting for my money, and the fact I was never using more than a few gb a month data, the choice became easy.
[Nexus 6  General] jkc120:
I do sometimes need as much as 10GB nice or twice a year. Will they let you bump UK temporarily to a higher plan?
[Nexus 6  General] neyenlives:
Yes. Actually the 10gb plan just went from 100 to 80 bucks and there's now a 15gb plan for 100. They let you switch at will, well, as often as monthly anyways, changes always take effect "per billing cycle" but that's expected. Also if you get your phones through Edge you lose the typical service contract too, so if you want to leave you just pay off the phone and sell it...
[Nexus 6  General] WhoNeedszzz:
My question is if they are all the same model why has it still not been released for AT&T and Verizon?
[Nexus 6  General] rufflez2010:
Backorder of Verizon check mark stickers from China. 3 per device.
[Nexus 6  General] WhoNeedszzz:
Is this the actual case or trolling?
[Nexus 6  General] rufflez2010:
Sorry. Thought it would be obvious trolling. Whatever AT&T does, VZW follows and vice versa.
[Nexus 6  General] jkc120:
It's sad that you have to ask. :/ Verizon really is that bad.
[Nexus 6  General] WhoNeedszzz:
Haha I know right!
[Nexus 6  General] ihavenewnike:
When is vzw release date
[Nexus 6  General] neyenlives:
That's the proverbial $64,000 question.
[Nexus 6  General] ihavenewnike:
I guess. I'm waiting until December 1 for announcement. If not then, I'm going note 4
[Nexus 6  General] Acrono:
Tethering works on VZW. There's already a workaround for it (and a very simple one at that, which doesn't require flashing anything).
[Nexus 6  General] jkc120:
Yeah I saw the workaround for AT&T and figured it would work on VZW. I get my N6 today, so I'm kind of glad that I'm a little later than others, since it means I already have root, a custom recovery, removal of encryption and workaround for tether. :)
[Nexus 6  General] times_infinity:
Sadly enough, there's enough room under the top speaker to fit a VZW logo.
[Nexus 6  General] prerunnerseth:
Pushing this back to the top... people should be getting their VZ Nexus 6's today. Can anyone confirm whether the boot loader is locked or not.
[Nexus 6  General] TokedUp:
Ppl that got theirs yesterday have already had success rooting and unlocking with no issues. It was reported in one of the VZW N6 threads in this forum
[Nexus 6  General] ShapesBlue:
That's good to hear, the phone is a nexus after all. I read all about the Galaxy Nexus debacle

Sent from my Nexus 5
[Nexus 6  General] Afro Samurai:
Check here, people are confirming not even a Verizon boot screen... [emoji6]

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=3056772
[Nexus 6  General] ryanbg:
net.tethering.noprovisioning=true

Adding this to build.prop works for me on Verizon.

I just relived this debacle using my GNex while waiting for my N6 RMA. What kind of world did we live in then?
[Nexus 6  General] IAMKRYPTIC:
Is the vzw nexus 6 sim unlocked also?
[Nexus 6  General] akellar:
All Verizon lte devices are sim unlocked
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[Sony Ericsson Xperia Mini, Mini Pro, Xperia Pro, A] wooose:
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What about updates?
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] boufa:
I can't get air command to work... befoer you ask, yes it is on in the settings. Tried it from a whole days worth of playing, and then did a factory reset. No joy. I did have success with every other s-pen function, but the air command just won't come up... it does when you first pull out the pen, but not once it is out. Maybe its a bug... There is no action memo app either. Air command is the only way into the action memo. No action memo widget either.

Anyone else notice this?
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] boufa:
Nevermind... I am an idiot.. On DN3 ROM on my Note 2, you held the button. The Note 4 uses a click and release on hover.... ooops.

You may now spend the next 20 posts pointing out my stupidity... go ahead, I deserve it. (I even did a factory reset and cleared 3 hours of work customizing it)
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] raiu:
lol, sounds like something i would do
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] ekinnee:
Either we are both retarded or something is wonky.

I can't get it to pop up consistently using the button and hover thing. The only way it works every time is if I stick the pen back in and pull it out. Not sure if I'm holding my tongue right. :silly:
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] xlr8shun:
not saying you both are retarded ;) but it seems to be ok here on my end, hover and click (air command seems to show up on the RELEASE when you click)
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] ekinnee:
OK, click off screen, hover then let go. Works fine, kind of clunky though.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] borijess:
Actually I am on DN3 now and tried it both ways. It works either way on DN3.

Sent from the TermiNOTEr 2! ?
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] boufa:
On to other parts of my initial post... I am not so sure about the s-note/action memo implementation. I like the fact that they have basically fully committed to its intigration into the interface... but its a different workflow than what I was used to. I used action memo alot... and s-note not so much. They have combined them in such a way that you are very much committed to using both to some extent.

(as for the air command... works great now that I know how.)
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] Sully246:
After update of note 4 to marshmallow... option of air command is there however it's grey and dosent seem to respond ..... however pen works fine and other features work.... selecting and opening up note etc
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] spexwood:
How'd you get Marshmallow?
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] Bosic:
On my Note 4 SM-910u s pen not work. Work on capatitive butons(back and mani) but on screen does not work.

2. Network week

All this bug after update to 6.0.1, i have downgrade to 5.1.1 but still have a bug. Anyone have a same problem? Sorry for bad English, i am Serbian.
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] BirchBarlow:
Now that the Nexus 6 cat is out of the bag and it's obvious the Nexus 6 isn't the successor to the Nexus 5, does anyone think it's still possible that Google will release a 2014 model Nexus 5? While the Nexus 6 looks like a beautiful device, it's monstorous and breaks the bank for many members of the Nexus customer base. Does anyone think that just maybe Google has new Nexus 5 model (i.e. a Motorola Nexus 5) up their sleeve but they're keeping it under wraps because they don't want to overshadow the new flagship devices with higher profit margins? Truth be told, I and I'm sure many others don't want a phablet and aren't willing to spend $650 on a phone so an updated Nexus 5 would be a welcome edition to the new lineup. We all know that inflation is a reality so the days of a high-end handset for $350 are over. Personally I would be willing to pay up to $500 for a Nexus 5 with 2014 hardware and flagship build quality as much as I love my Nexus 5. If Google were to release a 2014 Nexus 5 it would keep in tradition with the Nexus program since its inception and would provide developers with a top-of-the-line developer phone for a reasonable price. So does anyone else think that this is a possibility or is it all just wishful thinking?
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] simms22:
talk about conspiracy theories.. :eek:

na, itll be the same 'ole nexus 5.
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] KyraOfFire:
It would be welcome, but it makes no sense whatsoever to do that.
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] trent999:
If I want to refresh my Nexus5, I plug in an Anker external battery.

Or I could use my OnePlus.
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] md1008:
It's possible to release a smaller phone they did keep the 5 so it's not likely to replace it. Now what the name is if a smaller device is released in 2015 is another story. Nexus 6 mini, nexus 6, Android silver, nexus 5, "nexus", nexus "insert oem name like xperia, one etc

Anything is possible, last year it would seem impossible for Google to release a 6 inch phone but they did.
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] fiffan86:
I don't think they will have a "2014" nexus 5 edition, but will keep selling the 5 as a smaller version for people who don't like phones that big.
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] C3C076:
"Updated" Nexus 5 (or whatever it will be called) with 5'' screen seems to be a logical step to me. Just a question of time.
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] jlmcr87:
I think it would be nexus 5 2015 with snapdragon 810 x64:laugh:
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] TheLastSidekick:
I will admit that's some good thinking. Unfortunately, for profit margin concerns like you stated... I don't think it would make sense for them. Most people can afford a flagship or have jobs. The iPhone 6 Plus is a rather big device. Google knew they had to stay another step ahead of Apple and that's probably why were seeing a phablet and not a phone.

I don't have an issue with the size whatsoever. I have an issue with that price though. If I wanted to pay 550 or more for a phone.. I would have gotten an S5 or LG G3. I remember my total from purchasing the Nexus 5 32GB wasn't even over 435$ with taxes included. In fact the 16GB model was so cheap I decided to spend a little extra and get a bigger model since it wasn't pricey to begin with, got a case too.

Now take the following into consideration. You have to pay taxes on the price of the Nexus 6, and most people will get a case or want a case and perhaps insurance. When it's all said and done you're looking at a rather large 3 digit figure.

The only easy way most of us are going to even touch a Nexus 6 will unfortunately be through pay as you go programs such as JUMP from T-Mobile where you pay a monthly fee. If the Nexus 6 survives the hype... Ill be looking into JUMP. And hopefully Motorola + carriers don't have an agreement to lock the device. I think Motorola and instantly think of Verizon and those very not sexy locked bootloaders.

#endrant

Correct me if I'm wrong. I'm tired but can't sleep lol..
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] nithin1992:
Adding to this, the Nexus 6 doesn't have a full aluminum construction either and this is probably just what the other OEMs wanted. I wonder by how much the next flagships from LG, Samsung, HTC would cost, they're bound to increase the price even further.

Gonna wait for the nexus 5 2015 edition or go for the new moto x seems a much more vfm device this time around.
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] danarama:
One theory of the price hike I have heard is that OEM's are getting upset about making a device for google, then getting undercut by that device.... Which makes sense... So maybe there will be no more cheap Nexus devices
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Tyrany:
I dont see it as OEM play, but more like carrier pressure, nexus have been from the first google play release, a developer phone, not an premium phone but a top of the line afordable phone for developers to get something to work with. Since the nexus line never needed publicity and were always based on existing devices no great efford was needed to create it so with some help from from google it could be launch at a good price.

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But since now the launch is with help of all major carriers i think they made great preassure to make the price equal and profitable for them.
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] scottharris4:
To say most people can afford a $649 phone is the definition of misguided.
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] jsgraphicart:
I think the price hike is due to them making it available and being sold by all carriers. If they sold it in the play store for a cheaper price, they would be competing with all the carriers. Everyone would just buy it through Google and activate it on whatever carrier they are on. And I don't think the carriers would be happy about that.

And as far as a new Nexus 5. We don't really NEED one. Our Nexus 5 is still a great performer. Google doesn't need to spend more money on a spec bump phone.
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] scottharris4:
I could see some sort of the Nexus 5. I don't envision Google going forward with only a phablet as there are a lot of people who just won't a phone that big, they'd be cutting off a big chunk of the market by not keeping a more reasonably sized phone (and reasonably priced). And if they don't keep a smaller one, people will just buy a Moto G or Moto X instead, which means less money for Google in the end.
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] jsgraphicart:
Everyone in here is talking like the Nexus 5 is outdated and doesn't exist anymore. I'm not understanding why people feel that the Nexus 5 needs to be updated right now.
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] scottharris4:
I didn't say it did, but it's not very often a device gets overlooked one year and ever survives for another new model phase. That's the concern...
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] jsgraphicart:
I don't think they overlooked it. I think they still believe that the Nexus 5 is still great as it is (which it is). So they decided to add another device to their lineup. A bigger device is good as another option since a lot of phones are going that route and seem to be popular. The Nexus 5 is still going to be sold along with the Nexus 6 so they aren't tossing it to the curb or anything. Next year the Nexus 5 will probably be due for an update.
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] scottharris4:
That's basically what I just said!
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] jsgraphicart:
I thought we were on the topic about them making a new Nexus 5 this year. lol
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] humzaahmed155:
Well, Google edited the Nexus 5 details page, so I think they MIGHT still be selling it as a "smaller" option for users, it seems like logic.
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] BirchBarlow:
It's pretty much become standard practice for the manufacturers to release new models every year, and so far the Nexus program has been no exception. If they don't release a 2014 model, it doese't bode well for the future of the Nexus program as the Nexus 6 isn't a replacement for the Nexus 5. It's too big and cost prohibitive for many in the Nexus customer base. While it's true that Nexus sales account for very little profit, the Nexus spurs development which in turn grows the Android user base, so it would make sense to continue to offer an affordable handset under the Nexus program even with a modest price increase.

As far as size is concerned, look at the OEMs. HTC has the HTC One Mini, Samsung has the Galaxy Mini, Sony has the Xperia Mini, even Apple released the iPhone 6 alongside the iPhone 6+ because phablets and big phones exclude a substantial enough share of the market. Phablets may have a higher profit margin but jamming them down the throats of consumers isn't a long-term sustainable business model. Bigger isn't always better. It certainly didn't work out well when the Big Three tried jamming colossal trucks and SUVs down the throats of consumers in the 90s to the exclusion of sedans even though sedans were sometimes sold at a loss. So why should smartphones be any different?
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] :
Apparently people want bigger.... No one I've ever talked to.... But who are we to argue with the phone makers. Lol

I'm just hoping for same specced mini models. Or else I'll have to baby my M8....it'll have to last me about 50 years or so. ?
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] setspeed:
Because it's got a year old chip, the battery ain't great and neither is the camera. And the speaker's too quiet.
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] danarama:
I want bigger. Was thinking of the Note 4 but now....

For a long time, we thought the Nexus line was getting ditched for the "Android Silver" or whatever. Then we heard of the Nexus X. Well the nexus line (as we knew it) HAS been ditched and replaced. Just with a different name.

There are plenty of cheap Nexus rivals popping up. Google must want to make a profit whilst no longer under cutting their hardware partners. Maybe the Nexus line is now a showcase of what can be done rather than how the minimum can be done well.

Google doesn't need a "developer" phone. App developers have lots of choices available now.