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[Galaxy Note 10.1 (2014 Edition) General] monicaereis:
Dear all great experts, hope you may take a few minutes in helping a tablet newbie,

I'm about to have my first ever tablet, going from a Samsung S2 were i was cleverly reading pdf's and making notes (...better if i was living in Lilliput, I know). Well, my every day life is that: reading pdf's, making notes, writing, browsing the internet, making presentations, travelling with the technology for work reasons, occasional gaming (mostly my son) and I'm doing it all with a laptop and the Samsung S2.

:cyclops:What I look for in the tablet: great battery life, great and quick response of the system, compatibility for office programs like word, excel, power point (btw: is the Office suite 7 +PDF&HD of great value for me if I need to go back and forward android/windows/android?)

:rolleyes:Now my doubts taking into account my needs: should I get the a) Samsung Note 10.1 2014 edition, b) Samsung Galaxy Note PRO 12.2, c) an windows based tablet, d) an hybrid...

All answers all welcome and thank in advance:good:
[Galaxy Note 10.1 (2014 Edition) General] ikeny:
I have experienced with all 4 options you mentioned: Note 10.1, 12.2, Surface PRO 3 (Windows tablet), Sony Multi-flip 15" (Windows touch screen tablet). They all have active digitizers for hand-writing function. I'll try to give you my overall impression on these.

1. Windows vs. Android

Let's talk about the OS first. Assuming you are a Windows PC user, it is nice to have a Windows tablet as it can potentially replace your laptop. It may allow you to have/do everything on one device. The hardware of a Windows device is just more convenient for everyday task: a powerful processor, USB port(s), HDMI output of presentations, a physical keyboard (as a type cover for the Surface). When it comes to software, it is full Windows 8 and you can use it to run any Windows compatible software.

Android on the other hand, shines in making your tablet a better MOBILE device, due to the thousands of apps in Google Play, all designed for mobile devices (messenger/VOIP apps, media player, games). Not only you get a much greater selection, these apps are better in quality, and built to run more efficiently on slower hardware. Windows 8 apps just cannot compare. For example, you won't find one app that can play a 1080p mkv movie. You have to use the desktop version of VLC. More importantly, very few Windows app can take advantage of your stylus pen. Microsoft Onenote is the only good one in my opinion. I am yet able to find a good pdf annotator that effectively allows hand writing, although regular mark-up with type font using keyboard works fine. In contrast, Android have many option of note-taking apps that take advantage of the s-pen (Papyrus, My Script Smart note, Samsung S-note). For PDF annotation, even the Adobe Reader on Android works really well, allowing drawing/marking with pen.

Bottom line: If you want one device that does it all, Windows tablet is better. But be prepared to be limited in app availability. You often find yourself doing what you wanted to do in some inefficient ways, especially when it relates to the use of the pen.

2. It's all about portability

This point is obvious for tablets vs. touch screen pc (hybrids). A less obvious point is the ac adapter. The more powerful hardware of any windows devices require a more powerful charger (e.g., 12V, 19V). Android chargers tend to be 5V, and thus are much more compact. You phone changers may even work, though slowly.

Finally, a point about Note 10.1 vs 12.2. Bigger generally is better when viewing the screen, but is less portable. Some people like the 12.2"; others find it too big to carry around. For me, I found the 12.2" Pro heavy and awkward to use when I am not in front of a desk. One thing to keep in mind is both devices have the same resolution of 2560 x 1600; i.e., same amount of content, just enlarged on the 12.2" screen compared to the 10.1" screen. However, if you root the tablet, you can change the resolution of the Note Pro to fit more content of the larger screen.
[Galaxy Note 10.1 (2014 Edition) General] monicaereis:
Great advices!

I agree with what you say... at only one answer from my question I'm almost ready to decide to android and to note 10.1. Have you had or seen a review of that android app Office suite 7 +PDF&HD? Because if I'm going android, this one look capable of helping me with my office documents. Any other app you might know?
[Galaxy Note 10.1 (2014 Edition) General] ikeny:
I edited my post above to include a comment on PDF annotation with Android tablets. Generally, most PDF reader apps work well as a reader, with the exception for very large files; e.g., a 200-page thesis with lots of HD figures. The slow processing power of your Android tablet will choke on these. When it comes to annotation, the common choices are iAnnotate, ezPDF reader, and Adobe Reader. My favourite is Adobe Reader. It is relatively fast, and allows all my basic needs of underlining, highlighting, adding text box, and hand-drawn objects. Most importantly to me, all annotations show up when I open the edited file on a desktop pc (Windows and Mac).

As for office apps (Word, Powerpoint and Excel equivalence), there are many choices in Google Play store. Many offer free versions to try. As far as I know, most if not all, won't take advantage of the s-pen. So you can just refer to general reviews of these apps (not specific to tablets with s-pen). Kingsoft Mobile Office is my favourite as a completely free app. One important thing to point out is, your Note 10.1 and Pro will come with a copy of Hancom Office suite. For the 10.1, you need to do a search in Samsung App store to see them. The Hancom Office received very good feedbacks as a Microsoft Office alternative (Google for review). Speaking of Microsoft, they do offer an Office app for phones, which will work on tablets if you sideload it. The apps work quite well on tablets, even as a phone version. But I dislike the fact that you can only save files to the Microsoft cloud (not locally); and is optimized for those with a 365-Office subscription. Microsoft is rumoured to be working on a tablet version of Office, and already released a beta version to selected test users. It is safe to say that for Office needs on the Android platform, it will only go from very good to even better with time.

To answer your question, you should be able to find one of the many Office apps that will satisfy general Office needs. On the other hand, if you want advanced functions; e.g., PowerPoint presentation with the latest animations, you'll have to experiment it with the various apps out there. Your safe bet is always going back to a full Windows OS.
[Galaxy Note 10.1 (2014 Edition) General] {Diemex}:
You might want to reconsider Note 10.1 vs Note Pro 12.2.

The only reason for me to not get the 12.2 would be price, if you are on a budget then maybe take the 10.1.

I own and use both the Note 10.1 and Note Pro 12.2. The 12.2 is an all around better device, the screen is more comfortable to write on and batterylife is better.

Regarding pdf annotation on windows: One of my professors uses pdfannotator in class, it seems to work pretty well for him. I haven't tried it myself.
[Galaxy Note 10.1 (2014 Edition) General] blindmanpb:
RE: Office compatible apps on Android

Hancom Office is actually pretty slick, and it's available for free on the Note 2014/Note PRO.
[Galaxy Note 10.1 (2014 Edition) General] monicaereis:
by the end, I see that most of my questions are for inexperience, but gladly, android is a world for it self and solves every little problem:p
[Galaxy Note 10.1 (2014 Edition) General] monicaereis:
I've decided

My decision is made. I'm going for the 12.2 Galaxy Note Pro (wifi+4G), mostly because I'm grabbing and awesome promotion here (602€). But for the future, the 10.1 (wifi+4G) was also a good call (508€) given the similar characteristics, but my mind and wallet were already prepared for the regular price of a 10.1 which would be 640€.

I've attached a pdf of a comparison between both if someone might be interested (some Portuguese language in there but perfectly understandable).

And Thank YOU for the great advices: [MENTION=3173940]blindmanpb[/MENTION], [MENTION=1221892]diemex[/MENTION], [MENTION=3683627]ikeny[/MENTION]!
[Galaxy Note 10.1 (2014 Edition) General] Zionator:
This is my office apps and I wrote this using with stylus handwriting recognition which is kinda flawless now.

I forgot to install hamcom office. I reflashed the rom as i do a lot of experimenting and that's the only reason i dont have hancom. Hancom is one of the best.

Buy the Note Tablet and you will not regret it. Buy an apple or windows and you will cry for many coming months.
[Galaxy Note 10.1 (2014 Edition) General] Zionator:
Ups I forgot to attach the screen shot.
[Galaxy Note 10.1 (2014 Edition) General] spexwood:
Any Note would be great for notes, so one of these tablets would definitely meet those needs and both are great tablets!

Whether to get the 10.1 or 12.2, depends on your preference of screen size really. The two basically have the same hardware and screen resolution. The 10.1 will be slightly more portable and maybe easier to hold though. The 10.1 also has little accessories support from large companies like Logitech. You can still find accessories for the 10.1, but they're basically Chinese unbranded stuff and there's nothing super high quality.

A Windows tablet will be more expensive and more Windows laptop-like, especially if you get something like a Surface with a full version of Windows on it. In fact, with a Windows tablet, you may not even need a laptop depending on the tablet you get. My friend has a Surface 1 and it acts as his laptop now.

On an Android tablet, you can use Hancom Office to do your MS Office stuff. It works great, but occasionally, it can be a little trickier to do stuff than on an actual computer and using MS Office. On a Windows tablet, you CAN use the actual MS Office.

Personally, I prefer Android only because they are cheaper and because I use my tablet more for recreational purposes. If I needed a work laptop though, I'd probably sell my Android tablet and upgrade to the Surface 3 or something similar. It'd be more compatible with the workplace. You can use MS Office and any other software you might need.
[Galaxy Note 10.1 (2014 Edition) General] Note10.1Dude:
I voted Note 10.1 because it is a very good consumption device and a great size to carry and hold. Depending on your mix, the Surface 3 could be a better fit - especially if you do a lot of content creation. I am considering picking up a bluetooth keyboard for the note.
[Galaxy Note 10.1 (2014 Edition) General] warboat:
Note FTW

I would recommend the Note 10.1 for portability, but then I prefer my old Note 8 for size and weight and if it had a better screen I would not have bothered with the Note 10.1

If they made a Note Version of the Tab S 8.4, I would snap it up!

That said, I have TWO Note 10.1, I got sick of my missus using mine so had to buy a second one.

AS for Office suites, I measure them by their spreadsheet ability because thats what I use most.

Not many office apps have spreadsheets that can edit conditional formatting. Hancom office does it along with pivot tables. WPS office (formerly known as Kingsoft Office) also does it, all the others do not.

No office suite on iOS does both conditional formatting and pivot tables, not even MS Office for iOS.

To me that puts Hancom and WPS a class above the rest. If you are used to the menus interface in MS Office, Hancom Office comes pretty close to that and works best with the s-pen. WPS office more designed for finger operation rather than stylus.

as for windows tablets, I have 2 surfaces (RT1 and Pro1) and while they are great in their own ways, I most often grab my Lenovo Thinkpad 8 tablet when I need windows. It is just a great size and fits in jacket pockets and the screen is even sharper than the Pro. Best thing of all, it charges using Micro USB so I can carry 1 charger for both phone and tablet(s). I also have a Samsung Ativ 700T i5 tablet, but it gets no love and only comes out when I need i5 power and a big drive (I've swapped a 500gb msata SSD into it).

If you use MS Onenote, they have updated the Android version and it now supports inking and works really well with s-pen.

All that said, I grab my Note 10.1 most of the time as it is the weapon of choice for a road warrior.
[General Omni Discussion] fuyun1965:
Hi,

Does this ROM support HDMI on Sony Neo V?

Thanks!
[Droid RAZR M Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] kulsforu:
My motorola droid razr M is not starting and stuck at Setup wizard. My current version is Kitkat4.4.2.- 182.46.10

I have reset my phone to factory setting. after erasing at startup, it start and showed setup wizard and asked to select language. I select English and press next button but it stuck on "Please wait, this may take few minutes." I waited around 15 minutes but it still there. So I tried force reboot and again same thing waited for 15 min but still stuck at same point. I also tried RECOVERY in boot menu but it cant go further and Android with exclamatory sign comes.

I am stuck. :crying::crying::crying: Please Help..

Thanks in Advance.
[Droid RAZR M Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] bweN diorD:
go to sbf droid devs and grab that sbf file for your phone.

extract it to a folder, find the xml file (near the bottom), right click and edit, completely delete any lines containing "gpt" and "tz".

close and save. now flash the xml with rsd (many tutorials can be found on google).

if you get a "getvar" failure, go back to the xml file and delete any lines containing "getvar".

i dont know the specifics of this phone or i would know if the getvar is needed or not, on the HD it throws an error.
[ONE Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] therebel88:
Anyone seeing the Screen Color calibration tool under Settings > Display ? If you search for it in the Settings Search it shows it's there, but when you drill down to the display settings, there's no entry. Am I the only one?
[ONE Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] livito:
CM removed that feature back in september, I hope they bring it back, I love it.

there are some kernels that let you tweak the colors a little bit, like AK and Franco, I personally use AK.
[ONE Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] therebel88:
True, having the Color settings changes with Franco and AK is nice. But it was nice to get the colors a little more saturated using the calibration tool. I wonder why they removed it.
[ONE Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] livito:
It is a mystery to me, I didnt see anything work with it. I really hope they bring it back, it was one of the things that kept me in CM11s.
[ONE Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] duese22:
Please vote for feature restore (cannot post outside links): Jira.cyanogenmod.org and search screen custom colour
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro Software Upgrading] john.hargreaves:
what is the latest rom version been on o2 site and the one i have is newer?

ROM version 1.30.107 WWE

ROM date 04/11/06

Radio version 1.09.00

Protocol version 42.42.P8

ExtROM version 1.30.162 WWE

this is what i have?or have i got it wrong???????
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro Software Upgrading] jerrry:
http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=289449
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro Software Upgrading] john.hargreaves:
thanx for that cos i keep getting this lol

http://www.my-xda.com/xdaexec_soft.html
[Galaxy S III Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Mopeygoth:
Hi, having some terrible batterylife on 4.4.2

anything to do about this? apart from going 4.4.3 (which is sadly not availible for RR rmx kk 5.1.5)

this is just the phone being on overnight - but why keep the cpu alive when nothing is actually synced - taking the phone from 100% to 29% in just 5½ hours with screen off
[Galaxy S III Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Darke5tShad0w:
Find the betterbatterystats thread, read the first post and do as instructed and someone will help there.

Screenshots are no good for decent wakelock and alarm investigation.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] captainbirdseye86:
Hey all, found an interesting article which shows how much it costs to make a Galaxy Note 4. Based on production and RRP, It seems that the profit margin for Samsung seems to be similar or higher than that of Apple's overpriced iPhone 6+.

http://www.ibtimes.com/samsung-gala...ive-produce-iphone-6-teardown-reveals-1700769

So according to this article the iPhone 6+ base model costs $242 to make and sells for 859 dollars USD whilst the Galaxy note 4 costs $260 to make and sells for approx $800 USD

Now i know there is packaging, distrubution, R&D to take care of as well as retailer profit margins, but it is pretty save to say they are making a huge profit per device atleast from first time adopters, and so they should.

Edit: I am not complaining, just pointing out that it is not just Apple that makes them cheap and sells them at a high cost.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] entrarya:
that article is rubbish, the research & development is free of cost, right? everybody knows that
[Galaxy Note 4 General] americasteam:
Did you even read the article?
[Galaxy Note 4 General] captainbirdseye86:
Or my post for that matter, which states that even with R&D costs the profit margin is quiet large. If they are aiming to sell a low amount of phones, let's say a million Note 4s, it would be reasonable to assume that 10$ a device would more than cover the 10 million dollar development cost which i just pulled out of my ass...why would it even cost 10 million USD to design a phone?

Also i presume when things are priced in the USA, they are priced excl VAT (or whatever the american equivelent is to british VAT), so yes there is 550USD worth of money to be made before R and D, packaging, distrubution and retailer profit margin.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] nomojo:
In a competitive industry, the market drives the price not the cost of the item. If the cost is greater than the price the market is willing to pay the manufacturer may decide not to launch (unless they are still covering some fixed costs). If a consumer believes a device is earning an "excessive" profit they are free to find a phone that earns less profit. Or they can wait until the price drops. That is the beauty of the free market, the choice is yours.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] DelBoy:
And what about price od commercials, transport, and other?
[Galaxy Note 4 General] Ironkidz:
Hey. If you want to build a comparable phone for cheaper for us, please feel free. At the end of the day, these companies produce a product that requires their capital and expertise to develop and build. We pay for the greater value and not for some equitable profit sharing with consumer equilibrium.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] bnghty:
Unlike gaming consoles - Xbox 360/One Playstation 3/4 which sales their hardware at day one with loses that will be covered later on by the profit they'll make for games that they sell- in this industry sadly this is not the case and consumers are more then willing to pay double then a high end gaming console for the newest smartphone. Even though apps makes huge profits for the phone makers(let's say apple for example as they have their own phone and their own app store) they don't lower the costs as it's just extra earnings.

And you can definitely tell that the prices are way over priced when when companies such as Samsung, Apple and other big players in the phone market publish profits of BILLIONS a QUARTER.

hell, I'm not innocent as I buy these phones as well. But hopefully someday when the world will be floded with smartphones (including low markets/third world countries) and not only average to rich people will have them prices will drop.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] captainbirdseye86:
I would say that the only way Samsung will be making money is by making this rather healthy profit margin on the phone, now we know it is quiet a decent margin. Who actually uses the Samsung app store? so no onwards profit there. All profits from Google Play will go straight to Google, so Samsung have just one time to make their cash from most people.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] sky high:
Given samsung recent financial outlook I think they could use as much profit as they can get.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] Bruce lee roy:
Price equilibrium.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] bnghty:
I knew someone was going to jump and say that the funds are going to Google, and that's why I said that apps are billions worth of profits but just extra money(for Apple mostly and Google as well) however, a "healthy" profit it not a profit which they are making billions every quarter of it. That's insane. Most companies, even big ones, don't make those numbers in years, or ever for that matter.

They can cut the phones prices in half and still make great profits(that's what happens anyway when prices drop after a few months-so as you can see that's more than possible) but when a phone launches it has an insane price tag because these companies are based off making money and only money, and they have share holders to report to. They don't care about making a better phone, they only care about making money which results indirectly of us getting better phone bc that's the only way we will buy their product and not the competitioners.

Button line - they *can* lower the prices and make good profits, but they *won't* bc they want to make *more* money bc we are just willing to pay them those sums.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] RiverCity.45:
Welcome to capitalism.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] hung2900:
For this logic, food in restaurant is also overprice. Even the burger in McDonald's is over price. Less than $2 of ingredients and they sell $5-$7.

WHERE THE HELL is the payment to staff and employees?

Look at ANY big companies balance sheet income statement and see how proportion of Administrative expense accounts for. Besides there are selling expense, and in production cost there are costs for factories and workers.

That's the aspect of Accounting, and in the aspect of Finance they have to take into account the interest (time value of money) on their investment,...

What the heck is materials cost? It's small in the cost structure of a company this type.

And if this is too complicated for you, this is more easier to understand. You guys think Samsung/Apple receive $500 for each of their phone? So if in one quarter SS sells 20mil flagship phones (Samsung easily can do), so the profit is $10 bill. However last quarter SS got the profit of over $4 bill. Where's nearly $6 bill? And need to say that the profit of Samsung also comes from middle to budget phones, tablets, TVs, semiconductors, display, fridge, washing machine,... So just for these 20mil flagship phones, if they sell at $250 lower price to "satisfy" some of you, they will lose $5 bill in revenue with (supposed to be) the same cost. And then they face loss. Basic maths.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] avenging:
i agree with hung remember samsung maintains factories too as well as build them (the latest one in development costs around 14 billion), of all the tech companies samsung outspends all of them. if they dont spend as much as others they can easily out-profit even apple every quarter (higher quarterly revenues) but like i said they build most of their parts thus they incur more costs too. i like to buy the notes simply because for the high price tag i truly believe that every year i have the best phone
[Galaxy Note 4 General] captainbirdseye86:
Thank you Hung, i am sure us mere simpletons on this forum much appreciate your valuable knowledge that you simplified just for us.

Please, teach us some more.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] vis1-0n:
Not to mention the billion dollar bill in patent fees that Samsung calculated they owe Microsoft. Or their warranty and after sales support costs. The recognition engine for the handwriting features is licensed, royalties will be due. Codecs - not free. It all adds up, subtracting BoM from sales price is not how to calculate profit.

The OnePlus One can be so cheap because they mostly ignore the IP and support costs most non Chinese brand manufacturers pay.