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[Moto 360] abuttino:
Since you cleared data, it might not be in that list. Whatever is coming from your phone is more than likely draining the battery.

There is an app that monitors Bluetooth tethering. I'll try to figure out what its name is.

If you have any warnings, you know something is funky with the connection.

Do you have a tablet to pair it with?

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https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=jp.vviki.android.SysLoadLogger
[Moto 360] Afterlife737:
No srry I dont have a tablet but I have a nexus 5 around I could pair it to ? Is that OK ?? Or a Gnex as well...
[Moto 360] abuttino:
Try anything other than your current phone.
[Moto 360] Afterlife737:
I'm not sure I can use it for long though :/ its not mine :eek:
[Moto 360] Afterlife737:
I don't think it's the phone though.... I had the same problems while using my Gnex aswell! And if the problem is with the phone, im not going to get rid of the phone because of the watch.... :/
[Moto 360] Afterlife737:
I can reinstall Wear and reconnect the watch and test it tomorrow but what's up about other people being able to install wear mini launcher and other apps and me having to just stick with the plain watch face... There has to be something REALLY wrong :/ I really don't think the watch is defective.. It charges normally and works without any problems but the battery is rubbish.. Something, somewhere has to be causing that and when I don't have any apps installed its gotta be either Wear, Moto Connect or my phone... :/
[Moto 360] abuttino:
Ya. I have to concur with the member earlier today. I think you should exchange it for a new device or wait for the update. Something is really wrong
[Moto 360] darrenk232:
You do know that 7:15 to 4:25 is a little over 9 hours and not 7 right?
[Moto 360] xda4exige:
Wanted to report back with better news...

Well, I tried some things on my own and believe that two things really save battery...charge it all night long....I think maybe the meter says 100% and it really isn't there yet. For the first days I was so short on time I would wait for 100% and then split.

The other thing I'm doing is disabled auto brightness, set it to #1.

And for the motorcycle ride to work and back home, I turn the watch OFF.

I played a bit with the stopwatch and didn't notice the huge drain.

I have installed some apps, they are cool...calculator, calendar. No change to battery life.

I have used the watch to return texts, emails, answer the phone, even use it as a remote for taking pictures with google camera...cool. I got lots of cards today to remind of a lunch appointment, did quite a bit of actually useful things with it.

It is a great appliance.

So here it is 9:36pm...I left at 7:30 am and I have 42% battery left. Nice. I am using the "Dials" standard watch face and I have assigned "Keep" to note taking.

I should also add that by mistake, I did a watch "Reset Device". The repairing went ok but I noticed something in Android Wear App.....there is now NO app for "Show me my heartrate" I'm sure there was something there before...by default. But now there is nothing.

Maybe that is the hog., try getting rid of it...(don't know how to do it on purpose. lol)

Don't give up.
[Moto 360] Afterlife737:
Yeah srry I meant that :) Im not that stupid lol XD
[Moto 360] Afterlife737:
Hey! Thanks for your feedback! I do most of my travelling by walking and public transport ( poor student lol) so I won't be switching it off... Today I will reset it all! I will do a watch reset and factory reset my phone aswell... I won't install ANY apps for now, will stick to the "minimal" watchface and wont install moto connect ( I think it drains the battery allot!!!) I really hope I get a day out off it :/ I will report back, Monday is the deadline to get in touch with moto and send it back..

Any other last ideas???
[Moto 360] Afterlife737:
Do you really think its a bad unit?? :eek: I will do a factory reset of both my phone AND watch, will strictly stick to the minimal watchface today and won't installoto connect and see what I get... If I don't get a day out of it, I might have to agree with you :( But I'm not giving up yet!
[Moto 360] Afterlife737:
Okay do I did a factory reset o both my watch and my phone. I have already gone down 10% in just under an hour... I just don't get it :'(
[Moto 360] Afterlife737:
Hey ! Noticed I don't have the "show my heart rate app" selected either... I've already gone down 10% in an hour though toooo.... :/

At 75% since 10 o'clock... Figured it would go on till' 9 o clock at this rate :eek: But that's only because it's Sunday :/ I usually pot my watch on around half past 7 when I leave :eek: That's 2 and a half hours before today :eek: Just based on numbers there seems to be no improvement :(
[Moto 360] abuttino:
Bad watch, 100% sure now
[Moto 360] Afterlife737:
Really? So I should definitely send it back for a replacement? :( I'm at 60% after about 4 hours :(
[Moto 360] steveliv:
For those of you having battery issues, try rebooting your phone in the morning before you take the watch of the charging dock. After doing that i am getting amazing battery life.

Three days of testing so far:

OS: 4.4W.1 KGW42R

Ambient mode Off

Brightness on auto

Default watch face (Rotate)

Moderate usage, maybe 50 notifications, and using voice input for several reminders.

Day 1 (09th): Off charger for 10 hours, Battery 22%, Avg % Drain Per Hour: 7.13

Day 2 (10th): Off charger for 10 hours, Battery 57%, Avg % Drain Per Hour: 4.95

Day 3 (11th): Off charger for 10 hours, Battery 71%, Avg % Drain Per Hour: 3.44

I've got a chart off all three days on this reddit thread:

https://www.reddit.com/r/moto360/com...t_i_should_be/
[Moto 360] Afterlife737:
Hey man! Will try that today since its my last day before I have to send the watch back... So do you reboot the phone everyday before you take the watch off the charger??
[Moto 360] steveliv:
Day 2 and 3 i did. I went ahead this morning as well. Correct, i reboot the phone before the watch comes off the charger.
[Moto 360] abuttino:
What did you do differently on day 3?

That reddit link is no good.
[Moto 360] steveliv:
Sorry here is the correct link: http://www.reddit.com/r/moto360/comments/2it5fr/moto_360_battery_stats_is_this_what_i_should_be/

Battery Usage Chart: http://imgur.com/EZrz70G

I really didn't do anything different. It was a Saturday so there were less notifications, but i did use the voice commands more to set timers and reminders.
[Moto 360] abuttino:
I'm going to clear cache from that Android Wear app after rebooting, then take my watch off the charger.

I get about 100 notifications or more per day on the weekends because of the scoring updates for NFL/NHL/NCAAF plus a lot more hangouts/emails/Tapatalk/G+ updates
[Moto 360] steveliv:
Here is my chart updated: http://imgur.com/HikLxcn

Today so far i am averaging about 3.1% drain per hour.
[Moto 360] abuttino:
Since my watch is rooted, I also disabled the automatic Heart rate monitor and pedometer.

One hour off the charge 2% without a reboot first, this was before the sports notifications started yesterday. After they started rolling in, it fell off to about 6% per hour.

At the end of the night, 34%. I've gone till 2pm (the next day) with that, till it died

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@steveliv how are you monitoring battery life? Through the connect app or pulling down the curtain on the watch?
[Moto 360] Afterlife737:
Wow man.. I rebooted the phone before it came of the charger today at around 11 am. I don't have the sports teams setup in Google Now so weekends are a really light day for both my phone AND watch. As I said - been off the charger for nearly 6 hours with occasional use, allot of music control ( like 2-3 hours of changing songs and such) and I'm at 68%... That's ALLOT better than other days.. :eek: Could this be the battery saver ?? :eek:
[Moto 360] Afterlife737:
Great chart thanks! It looks you are getting excellent batterylife! Do you use it allot ? Like replying to sms, emails, checking weather and such ?
[Moto 360] steveliv:
I have been checking from the pull down curtain.

as for rebooting. i'm not sure why it gives me better battery life, but it only takes a minute, so what is there to lose. :) I'm glad to hear you are getting better battery life.

The red line was a Friday so it is more indicative of moderate use. probably 50+ notifications for the day.

The green line was Saturday, so less notification, but i did use more voice commands to set timers and reminders.
[Moto 360] abuttino:
That's still downright horrible.

I was reading on reddit last night about a Bluetooth bug draining phone and watch batteries.. This could be your problem. However it doesn't explain how it was in two different phones.

Do you have the R update?
[Moto 360] Afterlife737:
The R update?? :eek: No srry have never heard of that...:eek: well I don't know.. You know my situation, would you exchange it if it were your watch??
[Moto 360] Afterlife737:
Yeah I know :) But I'm pretty happy with 7+ hours on half a battery :)
[Moto 360] abuttino:
I would. Can't hurt to get a fresh start.

When you go to "Settings" then "About" on the watch, what is the build number
[Moto 360] Afterlife737:
KGW42R
[Moto 360] abuttino:
That's the "r" update :)
[Moto 360] Afterlife737:
You know what, I think you are right :/ I mean, I've hardly used the thing and its down to 64% already, just for comparison - my Z1 has been off the charger an hour longer, has been used WAY more and has 70% still left.. On a week day (due to school and waiting and stuff) I have about 30-40% MAX at this time...
[Moto 360] Afterlife737:
Ha yeah I got it when I read the build number derp :D but I still don't know about this thing :/ I think there has to be a bug somewhere :eek: I just don't think its defective :((

EDIT: I don't want it to either. I don't want to have to pay £30 shipping to get a replacement and the battery life will be the same -_-

I'm a student, that's a weeks food for the whole day for me :D ;)
[Moto 360] steveliv:
Looks like you have the correct update.
[Moto 360] Afterlife737:
That's the first fing they asked me at Motorola :( Could it be possible I have a different google play services version or something?? Could you guys compare??
[Moto 360] Afterlife737:
Do you guys have these versions too??
[Moto 360] steveliv:
This is what i did personally. Maybe you can try these steps and see if you can duplicate my results...

I let the watch run down until it shut off by itself.

I put the watch in the charger and let it charge up to 100%

I also connected my phone to it's charger and let it charge fully.

I rebooted the phone.

After it was rebooted, and showed the Moto 360 connected, I took the watch off the charger. I immediately reset the watch. Not a restart, but a reset.

I let it power back on, reconnected to phone, etc.
[Moto 360] Afterlife737:
Do you have this google play version as well??
[Moto 360] Afterlife737:
I have done that before :( I've only had the watch for a week though, so could that effect anything?? I think the battery has been drained down and charged right back up at least 4 or 5 times so it should be alright.... I can try what you said tommorow morning and hope it works :eek:. Were you getting similar battery life as me before doing this?? When did you do this?? :eek:
[Moto 360] steveliv:
If you look at my chart, you can see the differences: http://imgur.com/HikLxcn

On Thursday (Blue Line), I took the watch off the charger at 7:30am, but did not reboot the watch at all.

On Friday (Red Line), I took the watch off the charger at 7:30am, but didn't reboot the watch until 10am.

On Saturday (Green Line), I rebooted the phone and then took the watch off the charger, at around 9:30am.
[Moto 360] abuttino:
I thought you said "reboot the phone" not reboot the watch.

How do you reboot the watch before it is lifted off the cradle?
[Moto 360] Afterlife737:
Yeahhhh.... I'm a but confused now... O.o I think he meant phone?
[Moto 360] abuttino:
There is only one way to reboot the watch when it is on the charger.. Through adb. Which also means you have to set it for Bluetooth debugging each night
[Moto 360] Afterlife737:
No I'm 90% sure he meant phone... ;)
[Moto 360] Afterlife737:
I've been dropping around 6-8% an hour today.. :/ I'm currently at 50%... You said you read up something about a Bluetooth bug on reddit? Could you recapp real quick please? :)
[Moto 360] steveliv:
Sorry about that, Yes i meant that i rebooted the phone.
[Moto 360] Afterlife737:
No prob :) I will try that tomorrow morning, but that's the deadline. If I dont get a battery increase I will have to send it on Tuesday, any later and I won't get my new unit :/ I will also cleat app date for android wear and uninstall moto connect since I don't use it anyway...

Will report back tomorrow evening with my finding :) thanks allot for everything guys, but one last thing - do you have the same Google play service version?? My guess is you don't since you are ?both? from the USA??
[Moto 360] steveliv:
If you are going to be getting a new unit, i would just wait until you get it, and then try the steps.
[Moto 360] Afterlife737:
Well I can try tomorrow as well and see... But yeah I have till Saturday to return this one and already have one sitting there ( O2 made an exception and took one from another store which was for someone else and reserved it at my local store since I will be returning this one as "defective")
[Moto 360] abuttino:
Battery life is a little better. Lots of sports nots and 89%

Rebooted watch and phone before taking the watch off the charger

80% with this edit at 5:31

76% at 6:46 - 4-7 notifications in the past hour

73% at 7:39 - few notifications in this hour

70% at 8:28 - One or two motifications and left the phone inside while I was outside for less than a minute.

65% at 9:29 - Phone battery low notification (long vibration), 5 emails, hangouts

60% at 10:28 - Laying down but lots of arm movement turned the display on quite a bit

57% at 11:27 - Nothing worthwhile to mention. Maybe one notification. I am not going to sit here and tally everything :)

53% at 12:16.. Steady at 3 to 4% now..

I just saw the auto-hrm kick on and it is supposed to be disabled. I am going to figure this out, but this is the end of my stats for the night.

Hope it helps someone out.

Took it off the charger around 12. No more sports updates today, I want to nail this down too.
[Moto 360] steveliv:
I decided to see what would happen if i didn't reboot my phone this morning. I went from 100% to 96% in fifteen minutes! I immediately rebooted my phone and the next 4% lasted an hour and fifteen minutes. Maybe it's my phone, maybe it's the watch, but it looks like i'll need to reboot my phone every morning. I currently have a Moto X (1st Gen), but intend to purchase the current Moto X next year.
[Moto 360] Afterlife737:
Hey man! Thanks it helped allot! I am getting AMAZING batterylife today. I have normally installed wear mini launcher, have been using some apps, changing music and have monitored my heart rate a few times and so on.. A pretty normal day! After 11 and a half hours off the charger ( started at 7:30 today) I'm at 59% !!! :) really amazing!! Want to try a custom Facer face tomorrow :)) don't know how this happened!
[Moto 360] Afterlife737:
Yeah man! I have an Xperia Z1 (great phone for a great price BTW - In absolutely no hurry to upgrade to anything ATM :D) and I am currently at 58% after nearly 12 hours! I don't know why but I always drop about 5-7% in the first 15 minutes of taking it off the charger... Can't wait for the Wednesday Android wear 2.0 announcement !
[Moto 360] steveliv:
I'm glad to hear your battery life has gotten much better. It is nice to be able to use the watch a lot, and not be afraid that the battery will die too soon.
[Moto 360] Afterlife737:
Definitely!! :)Am really glad it's got better ! My phone has got much better battery life too! I don't know how it has all happened :eek: Now I'm seeing the battery life that the Z1 is profamed for :)) Am at 54% on my phone AND watch.. So happy - such a great watch this! :) Do you use Facer??
[Moto 360] thomas333:
Hey,

Could u tell me what exactly u did to get a battery life this great? My watch drains about 8 percent per hour :( I'm using a custom Facer Watchface and don't have ambient mode turned on, so this terrible battery drain really bothers me. :/

And also it doesnt drain from 25 to 24 but directly to 23 percent, is my watch broken?
[Moto 360] Afterlife737:
I think the custom Facer watch face could be the problem. I've heard that when you use a custom watch face the battery life drops about 2-5% an hour apparently.. (Source: some dude on the AC forums) haven't tried myself,but could try tomorrow if you want and compare my battery life with today..
[Moto 360] thomas333:
And did u do some stuff with restarts and resets or why did ur battery life suddenly get so good?
[Moto 360] Afterlife737:
Yeah! I cleared all my app data this morning and then resterted my phone BEFORE I took my watch off the charger...
[Moto 360] thomas333:
So u didnt reset or restart your watch at all? And by clearing app data, do u mean with every single app on your phone or just with specific ones? And why is it so important to restart the phone before taking the watch of the charger? Does the watch not connect to the phone before being taken of the charger or why exactly did u do it? And at what percentage did u charge ur watch? At 0 percent or something higher? Sorry for all these question, but I wanna try out what u did tommorow morning and see if i get battery life as good as u did ^^ Thanks :)
[Moto 360] abuttino:
Did you clear data or cache? Clearing data usually means you have to reset the watch, or I thought.

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Are you using an analog watch face with a second hand?

Delete the second hand layer and see how it drains after that.
[Moto 360] steveliv:
Here is what i do. At night i put both the phone and watch on chargers. In the morning, before i touch my watch, i reboot my phone. Once the phone has rebooted, i take the watch off the charger. By doing this i went from 7-8% drain per hour, to around 3-4% drain per hour.

Current chart that shows battery usage for the past five days: http://imgur.com/fG3WrHq
[Moto 360] abuttino:
I really don't see how you are getting that unless you don't have any apps installed on the watch OR don't get any notifications
[Moto 360] Afterlife737:
Yeah no problem man! I don't know exactly what goes on when you don't reboot but if you look at previous replies there is a chart from a chap that clearly shows it helps to reboot in the morning :) I have to say it helped me. To clear the app data you go into "app info" and press "wipe app data". I did RESET the watch and my phone ( not to get mixed up with restarting or rebooting) a day before I tried this method. I can't say if it helped, but I would try it if I were in your situation. But most importantly I would stick to one of the default watch faces and try that first. It could be Facer that is draining the battery. Also definitely try uninstalling all aps to test ;)
[Moto 360] Afterlife737:
+1 Yep, that's what worked for me!
[Moto 360] Afterlife737:
I actually believe that. I do get 4-5% per hour but tbh anything is better than 7-8% ;) that's all I did.. And you know what I was getting before :)

Picture: my current status since 7:30AM this morning - couldn't be more happy :D
[Moto 360] steveliv:
My battery usage chart: http://imgur.com/fG3WrHq

On the 9th, 10th, and today i get between 5-7 notifications per hour. On the 11th, and 12th i got less notification, but i used more voice commands to set reminders and timers.

10/09 (Blue Line) was my first day with the watch and charting battery. The watch lasted 13.45 hours before it died.

10/10 (Red Line) was my second day. I rebooted my phone at 10am. You'll notice the two lines diverge and i got good battery.

Each day there after i have rebooted my phone in the morning. I'm not sure what it does, but it does work for me.

This morning i decided to test out my theory. I did not reboot my phone. In fifteen minutes my watch dropped 4% (100 to 96). I immediately rebooted my phone and it took 1.25 hours to drop another 4% (96-92)
[Moto 360] thomas333:
And to which percentage you let your watch drop before charging it?
[Moto 360] Afterlife737:
Depends when I go to bed.. For instance now I'm going to go to bed ( early day tomorrow lol ) and I have 40%.... I did let it go from 100% down to 0% and back up to 100% the first like 4 or 5 charges when I got the watch to get the battery going a bit :)
[Moto 360] steveliv:
The first day, the watch completely died, so i charged from being dead to 100%.

The next few days the watch has outlasted me (since i need sleep) so it wasn't anywhere near drained when i charged it.

Date - % when i placed on charger

10/9 - 0%

10/10 - 35%

10/11 - 53%

10/12 - 56%
[Moto 360] thomas333:
OK Then I'll do that too since I only got it since thursday ^^
[Moto 360] Afterlife737:
Definitely! Had mine since last Saturday ( 4th) :)
[Moto 360] abuttino:
I found the HRM was not disabled last night. Thankfully, with my completely novice skills in Linux/Android, I believe I figured out how to disable it.

6 hours off the charge and 80% now that I really have disabled it.

I have a lot of notifications rolling in today for mail and hangouts. So this is a very good number. I still don't think it is worth disabling the Auto-HRM though
[Moto 360] r.storm85:
How did you do it?
[Moto 360] abuttino:
Look in the development forum "Root - 360 mods"
[Moto 360] abuttino:
I didn't restart my phone or watch today and I can say that the battery was dismal in comparison to yesterday. Thanks for the suggestion.

The Auto-HRM will use up some CPU cycles, but I haven't noticed anything that warrants rooting your watch JUST to turn it off.
[Moto 360] abuttino:
Anyone wanting to document battery life with a graph:

https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.ionspin.wearbatterymeter
[Moto 360] thomas333:
I restarted my phone today before taking the watch of the charger. So I was at 100% at 6:50am and at 7:06 (16 Minutes later) I was at 96%. So I restarted the watch aswell and now at 7:39 86%

This really pisses me of...

Any advices? :/
[Moto 360] abuttino:
How long have you had the watch? What custom watch face are you using? When is the last time you cleared data from the app and reset the watch? What other apps are you using?

Do yourself a favor also, resync all apps.

Also, try starting out barebones then adding apps day by day until you find the culprit.

Read though this thread and try everything that we've discussed.
[Moto 360] steveliv:
Try rebooting the phone one more time.
[Moto 360] thomas333:
I have it since thursday and have Facer installed but I use the stock purist watchface and I reset the watch this morning now I am at 35% which is horrible...
[Moto 360] abuttino:
I am kind of curious about facer. The day I had incredible battery life, facer was frozen (tibu) on my phone. The day after, not frozen, marginally bad battery life too.
[Moto 360] Afterlife737:
Hey man ! Sorry to hear it didn't help, I'm at 72% since 7:15 :( its not the best I've had, but I'm pretty happy about that since it's been 7+ hours and I've only dropped 22% ( that's something between like 3-4% an hour) Try factory resetting your phone. Btw what phone are you using??
[Moto 360] thomas333:
I have a Galaxy S4 (international version) . It was on cyanogenmod 11 but because it didn't connect with the watch I flashed an original Samsung firmware (I did this thursday, when I got the watch) Do you think it's because of my phone or am I just doing smth wrong? :/
[Moto 360] abuttino:
Smth?

I've heard some things about cyan and the watch performing poorly
[Moto 360] thomas333:
Something
[Moto 360] Afterlife737:
Hard to tell... I myself dont use a facer watch face since no one can make the one I want and I lack the artistic talent and time lol :D its pretty hard to make a face when travelling around time all day ;D Anyway I will uninstall it now and see if just having it installed helps :)