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[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] _ranch:
The fun part about the BBuy launch guides is they can change last minute (it's happened before). Most employees don't read it, so things get past word of mouth; we all know how well the grade school telephone game worked. My speculation is that stores will get inventory in for all carriers. The big question is if the inventory system street dates the Verizon SKUs; if yes, POS won't let them be sold, if no, there is no reason to NOT sell the phones.

The trade in program is a bit of a mess too. I haven't seen anything on that program yet. With how the trade in app works, it looks for an "activation" through the BBuy activation app. They key here is "activation" in the BBuy app can mean a lot of things (2 year, Installment Billing, Hardware Only), so this could go either way. The interesting part is there are two different wordings on BBuy.com about this. The banner add for the trade in makes no mention while the info for this weeks add makes specific mention of a 2 year agreement requirement. There are a few things I can promise though: employees (including managers) will NOT be able to force the system to make the giftcard to happen if the trade in app doesn't want to do it and installment billing (Edge, Next, EasyPay, Jump) will NOT be able to have the giftcard applied as a downpayment (assuming IB ends up working).
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] tu3218:
Just got back from finding a best buy that had verizon preorders still and they once again told me, it has to be an upgrade. That when they go back to enter my number for the retrieval of the $200 gift card, the system looks for an upgrade. Or perhaps activation as you put it. I'm not sure. What I don't get is THREE times now, from Samsung chats, Samsung has told me that I should be able to buy the device full price, not affecting my contract, and get the promotion at best buys. Now either Samsung just isn't aware of Best Buys system so they really don't know or Best Buy is incorrect. I don't know what to do. Samsung keeps telling me I can through best, but best buy tells me no. Must be an upgrade. Very frustrating.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] Hovscorpion12:
The demos have already been out for weeks at BB and Verizon. The 23 is online pre-order. I recently visited my local Verizon. Oct 17 is the date in store. Purchase online. Receive on Oct 23.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] jayochs:
why would you "visit" your local verizon? you claim you "work" there.

dude you're just getting peoples hopes up. enough. it's NOT releasing the 17th. it's the 23rd. enough already.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] Hovscorpion12:
Because numerous users have posted ranges of dates from one post claiming the launch date is neither the 17 and 23 but rather October 27th. Another post stated Oct 24 instead of 23. AT&T website says launch tomorrow "Your item will ship on October 15th" while everyone says the 17th. T-Mobile says ships by Oct 17. I work at a Verizon Wireless which is across the street to another Verizon in our local Mall. I decided to grab dinner and pay them a visit. I told who I was and asked if a Samsung rep payed a visit. A samsung rep came last week to put the S-view covers up for display and said authorized selling on Oct 17.It was posted by Verizon Wireless themselves on September 25, 2014.[/QUOTE] :cool:
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] Rippley05:
:cool:[/QUOTE]

I obviously didn't mean to thank your post. The date is the 23rd. You guys can keep babbling about the 17th, but it's incorrect. Sorry.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] Hovscorpion12:
:cool:[/QUOTE]

Plus Verizon would not release the Note 4 close the Droid Turbo on the 28th.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] Chuckleb0ne:
:cool:[/QUOTE]

If that's true, why would Verizon release a phone to the people who didn't pre-order it first? So people spend money online and pre-order the phone have to wait till the 23rd, while other people that didnt just walk into the store on the 17th and pick one up? Makes no sense.

Hopefully you are trying to say that Verizon may be shipping all their devices on the 17th. Because that would be surprising since everywhere it states the 23rd.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] jayochs:
lol this dude.... it's not releasing until the 23rd.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] TechBSwift:
my wife's best friends is the manager at best buy in MI, I called her today trying to get a hookup on the phone and she clearly stated it will not be available until the 23rd. She advised there was a lot of confusion about the other carriers releasing on the 17, but the verizon model will not be sold, nor can it be checked out in the system until the 23rd. She also advised she couldn't get me an hookup/discount on the phone but would give me a free case :crying:. She did promise me first shot at getting a note edge, so I will 100% get that whenever it's released.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] rushless:
Best Buy is being paid by Samsung, but Best Buy is going to eat about $10 per device since are taking basically anything. Heck, they might take the Ngage. The reason for contract only is BB is giving the credit to customers up front, so their P&L takes the hit until Samsung pays them back. BB is not going to allow full price because they are eating about $10 per for a majority of trades and will wait to be compensated by Samsung for the offer (about 60 days, so two months of cost hit for $200 cards). The 60 days is based on the offer redeem window and lead-time for payment to Best Buy. Best Buy easily eats the cards for two P&L cycles.

People that pay full price usually do not buy the insurance, but contracts do and ditto for the accessories. THAT and the contract commission is where they make their money. They make DIDDLY from full price and still eat (on average) the $10. People are not going to be trading in premium devices. They will sell those elsewhere- especially full price folks.

I am going to get some popcorn and watch for customers at BB expecting full price to be honored and the double dippers :) I feel for the full price folks if told wrong, but nothing but cold for double dippers :D

Not long to find out at any rate :)
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] rushless:
You used Gottamobile as your trusted source for fact?? They are masters of conjecture, based on tidbits of information.... pretty much like most sites.

Are you serious? ;)
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] TabGuy:
Yes. Mine comes from a corporate account. We're a large customer of Verizon and pressing on the sales rep hard the best delivery date I could get is October 23. I believe this to be true as any prior phone I ordered for first day delivery this sales rep has been spot on.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] mpgwrx:
I just pre-ordered my Note 4 at best buy on Monday, 10/13 and they said it will be in store for pick up on Friday 10/17. I asked him if he was sure and he said yes. I have no reason to think they wouldn't know when it comes out. I'm sure somebody higher up at Best Buy relayed the info the the salesman. I guess we will see! I'm using an old S3 and it's ok but not cutting it :p
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] lazer9:
Same exactly here except for the red bolded part of your quote. I actually have EVERY reason to believe the store rep and manager at Best Buy are both full of ****. I've been mislead and bs'd multiple times by ALL 6 Best buys I've talked to prior including this one initially regarding their trade in policy and cluelessness on how it actually works so I have very little trust in their said release date and I'm only hoping for at least the 23rd or whatever at this point.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] MGK645:
BB website has a small update for Verizon - button is still grayed out for ordering but now says " In-store Only" instead of "Coming Soon"

Still no release date shown though - my bet is on the 23rd even though my local BB Mobile told me the 17th. I'll still waste a phone call finding out though.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] flydeep:
One of you guys needs to call BB today and confirm, I was told they got a note this morning that VZW release is on 23rd.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] chamberc:
The release date is the 23rd. No debate or question about it.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] flydeep:
Yep, it sure seems like it. I was hoping it will be with other carriers since until last night I was told by the same employees it is on 17th. Sigh .. wait for another week :(

Plus Verizon would not release the Note 4 close the Droid Turbo on the 28th.[/QUOTE]
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] tu3218:
Just preorderd a note 4 and WILL be keeping my unlimited data. Confirmed by mobile manager. However the odd thing is they told me Verizon note 4 isn't out till the 23rd. However my gf who preordered as well a couple weeks ago called her best buy and they said this friday still. We then called another best buy and they said friday. And when I went to another best buy yesterday they said the 17th. This is crazy.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] flydeep:
Did you call them this afternoon? I was told they got memo today about 23rd.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] tu3218:
Yeah just called today and they said the 17th. But the best buy where I preordered said the 23rd. But Samsung just said the 17th for release. I Dont get how its this unclear.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] MGK645:
Called my local BB Mobile and now I'm being told that they are getting a batch of Verizon Note4's in on Friday, and the rest are coming on the 23rd...

Still unbelievable.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] jayochs:
batch coming in friday, probably for sale the 23rd.

if verizon has a street date of october 23rd, you can sure as sh*t bet that best buy won't sell them beforehand, bc any retailer who breaks street date will be fined. they don't do it for videogames, and they don't do it for phones.

nobody seems to understand the huge rammifications big corporations face when breaking street date (if verizon/samsung have set one)

and besides, since when are any of us taking a best buy employees word for anything? they're idiots. they're as bad as verizon store employees. nobody knows a damn thing, and they can barely read whats in front of them on the computer screen, especially the samsung/mobile sales idiots they have there. those people know NOTHING. WE know more than they do FFS.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] tu3218:
Samsung has said 10/17 for Verizon note 4 at best buy. I've chatted with a couple reps.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] Rippley05:
Nah
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] tu3218:
great response bud. real intelligent. Here is the screenshot of the conversation.

Now for those who want to contribute in a normal way. I understand this is just a rep but if Samsung is saying THEIR own phone is released on the 17th, it's gotta mean something. But who knows. Verizon could be taking control once they have the phones. Not sure how it works.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] VerizonNote2&4:
Verizon shipping confusion as normal

First, thank you all that are part of this site and thank you for allowing me my first post. I look forward to using all this knowledge in the near future(fingers crossed) once I get my hands on my VZW note 4.

This is the conversation I had with the VW online rep.:

"Chat Window 10/11/14 2:54 PM

Please hold for a Verizon Wireless sales representative, we appreciate your patience. Your current estimated wait time is 0 min 11 secs.

I can’t wait to tell you how you can get MORE! Ask me about our new MORE Everything Plans now!

Your RealTime session ID is RT1*******954. You are now chatting with 'Sandy B.'

Sandy B.: Hello, welcome to Verizon Wireless sales chat! My name is Sandy B., may I have your name, please? You: Hi Sandy my name is Earl

Sandy B.: Hello Earl! How are you?

You: I am doing great. Hows your day been?

Sandy B.: That is good. It is fine, thanks for asking. How can I assist you today? Sandy B.: Hi, I'm just checking in, how is everything going?

You: I have an order # 7015@%$!*^. This is for the Samsung Note 4 that when I placed my preorder on 9/19 it was showing delivery of 10/17 now it is showing ship by 10/23. Can you let me know when I can be expecting this purchase since I am currently without a phone?

Sandy B.: I will be more then happy to assist you. To better assist you with this may I have your full name as it will be listed on the account along with your full 10 digit mobile number please?

You: Earl %*#&$ ******3640

Sandy B.: Thank you! I have your account here and to help keep the information secure, may I verify the billing password? This password is different than what you use to log into My Verizon with. It is typically what you verify when calling into Customer Service.

You: I've only verified with my account # or phone isn the past that I am aware of You: I know my password and online questions

Sandy B.: That is fine. I can just check the normal system I will be unable to gain access to the account without the billing password. We can only verify with the billing online. In the system it has that it will ship by the 19th.

You: Thank you Sandy that was the information I was looking for. I greatly appreciate it!"

Other than adjusting the last name and numbers for the order as well phone # the rest is an copy as my conversation online was on 10/11/14 2:54 PM PST. So I preordered this hoping for the 17th like was first mentioned (receipt does state 10/23) and now it says it should ship out on the 19th!? So now they are shipping on SUNDAYS? I would love to see it ship by then but after waiting for the Note 2 for Verizon months after release on almost all the other carriers I will not be holding my breath on this. Thank you Verizon for your coverage because dealing with you in any manner for customer service is a total crapshoot. This is kind of like someone telling the weather... you won't actually know until it's here no matter what anyone says!
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] billinaz:
Your RealTime session ID is RT6771497852.

You are now chatting with 'Josaphine'

Josaphine: Hello! Thank you for contacting Verizon Wireless Sales Chat. I am here to provide you with outstanding service by answering your questions and helping you navigate through our site more efficiently. How may I assist you today?

You: Hi

Josaphine: Hello! How may I assist you today?

You: Im having a heck of a time understanding what is actually going on with Verizon and preorders for Note 4.

You: For some reason T-Mobile users got theirs today, Sprint has shipped, but Verizon is holding back the Note 4 for another week?

Josaphine: I would be more than happy to answer any questions you have about the Note 4!

Josaphine: I have limited information on shipments. I do apologize.

You: So is verizon releasing the phone a week later than all other US carriers?

You: Can you see if they plan on getting some out on the 17th or not?

Josaphine: That seems to be so. I do apologize for the inconvenience.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] -MD-:
Verizon's website is now saying 31st for the white version.

http://www.verizonwireless.com/vzw/browse/deviceDetails.jsp?deviceProdId=dev3240024

Black one better stay at the 23rd.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] flydeep:
The last line is one the most vague answers from a carrier representative. Are they saying they will have some stock releasing on 17th and remaining on 23rd?
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] billinaz:
I think that was the answer to the previous question.

But overall, you are correct, it was a less than informative chat.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] jayochs:
23rd. stop taking "live chat reps" words saying it'll be sooner. it won't be. it's the 23rd.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] Rippley05:
Nice comeback, almost convinced me.

But still, nope. It's the 23rd. Sorry "bud"
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] tu3218:
I was just showing you what I was told. I'm not saying it is entirely true but your response just came off as arrogant and that I was full of it. When in fact, they did tell me the 17th. I'm just reporting. I know you are feeling powerful with your claims but just chiming in.

But my gf called best buy mobile, an they told her the 16th for her Verizon note 4. Again, more ridiculous claims but figured I'd post. It very well may be the 23rd but there are just as many claims stating earlier.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] jzarfos:
A chat with a friend on fb. Not that it helps us VZW customers but damn why can't Verizon ever do something bad ass like this?
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] Rippley05:
Maybe it's arrogance or maybe it's because you guys are getting a bunch of nonsense riled up based off of what a sales rep or whatever said. Verizon said the 23rd and never budged. Not once. Its the 23rd. Bud.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] tu3218:
Ship date is 23rd on Verizon though. But please post where Verizon posted an official release date of 23. Do that and it'll clear everything up. But when people are clearly being told the 17th by best buy, its always possible. And if best buy is NOW the 23rd, it wasn't always that.

Oh an the way your acting, I would never be your bud. But go ahead, an post this official release date by Verizon.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] BA0714:
I called my local BB and told them that I pre-ordered the note 4 about a week and half ago, and asked about the release date because at the time of my pre-ordering they didn't tell me (they did tell me but I wanted to see what kind of date this guy would come up with) when I should expect it to come in. The guy asked me what carrier is it for, I told him Verizon, it took him about a minute to check, he said the release date is this Friday, the 17th, they should be in. I said is that official, he said yes, in fact they have them in but can't sell them until Friday. So I told him I appreciate his help. There you have it guys, I wish I recorded our conversation on the phone but I didn't think about it.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] Rippley05:
You're*

Its the 23rd.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] jayochs:
lol and tomorrow I'll post, "umadbr0?" when u come home and start ranting that best buy doesn't have them in stock and can't sell them even though their moronic, idiotic reps claim they will.

stop taking best buy and verizon reps word, people. how can you not know by now that they're WRONG???
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] tu3218:
If you're gonna correct someone, you probably should have some intelligence. Its not "you're". You would not say I would never be you are bud. Because you're, is " you are". So your is in fact correct.

Where's your evidence for the 23rd? That's what I thought.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] rushless:
They do have them. At&t and Sprint versions. The guy was either clueless or confused. There is ZERO warehouse movement or direct ship notifications for either of the two Best Buy versions.

Go to a Best Buy and ask them to check inventory forwarding status. They will see "0". At least that was last night.

Added: VZW does not have them in stock either at stores, so must be some expensive next-day shipments for stores to make that 10/17 date... that if were real, they would already be shipping to stores ;)

---------- Post added at 12:56 PM ---------- Previous post was at 12:53 PM ----------

?? The default response for BB and Verizon is 10/23 and this has not wavered, save for a combination of people making things up, guessing, and some clueless BB & VZW staff assuming all models release 10/17.

Of course when the VZW version is not available tomorrow, those same folks will move the goal post to "it was delayed". ;)
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] tu3218:
Where is Verizon saying the 23rd? That's what I'm asking. I know their ship date online is 23rd but what about in store. Unless you guys can provide data showing that, you're no different then everyone else making claims it could be the 17th. I wish someone would just provide proof to clear it up but everyone is just full of claims until that proof is made.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] Chuckleb0ne:
Go look at the Verizon website. The shipping date clearly says the 23rd for black Galaxy Note 4's. Its been that way since they were available for pre-order.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] Rippley05:
Silly guy. He said "by the way your acting". It should "in fact" be you're. Nice try hero. ?

The fact that every source out there says the 23rd is all the evidence a normal person needs. Show me your proof that the stores will have it the 17th..something official from Verizon.

That's what I thought.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] billinaz:
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[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] tu3218:
Ahh we were thinking about the wrong sentence. My bad.

Why is best buy still saying the 17th though? We called last night and they said the 16th for my gfs preorder! Conclusion... Best buy employees are clueless? Again, I'm just reporting what I'm being told. Just as everyone is reporting what they're told. Either way I think we can all agree that this is typical Verizon. Always late to the game.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] Rippley05:
I can agree with that. I said it in another thread, but Verzion will be late and they don't care about other carriers getting it out first. Until someone builds up their network, no one is a real threat to them. Sad, but true. I love how T-Mobile is running their show..but they offer 2g coverage in my area. I "think" Verizon was later than everyone else with the Note 3 as well? I can't remember.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] rushless:
Less thoughtful staff are assuming all versions since they open their secure cabinets and see a bunch of Note 4 boxes inside. None say Verizon though. At least not until mid next week and even then BB will not sell. They MUST wait for the carrier to sell in store. That has been in effect for two years now. BB used to jump the gun, but carriers cried foul and threatened fines (commission reduction). This is truth that any Best Buy manager or staff that was working there back then knows.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] Castanoff:
I was told by Best buy on 3 different occasions that they will be on on the 17th to pick up if you pre-ordered.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] rushless:
Hov, your trusted source actually says you are wrong: This is from Gottamobile:

"U.S. carriers continue to hold firm on an October 17th arrival though, as we’ve pointed out, Verizon is committed to a ship by date of October 23rd, or, a week after October 17th. "

You sir, seem to have a case of out of text, selective reading ;)

---------- Post added at 02:54 PM ---------- Previous post was at 02:50 PM ----------

Please see my post above yours. I witnessed the same thing when newer mobile staff simply quote what others say or open the secure cabinet and assume one size fits all. Best Buy where I live DOES have a lot of Note 4s in their cabinets now, but sadly not the Verizon model.

The date confusion is concocted and not by official BB and VZW. The date for the past two weeks has been 10/23 by BB and always for VZW, in spite of 'inceptive' efforts by the forums dwellers and some "confused" employees.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] tu3218:
Yeah exactly and it's a sad truth. Another reason I have to look at the verizon logo on the top right of my G3 while every other carrier has a nice clean look on the front. You're probably right about the note 3. Definitely wouldn't surprise me.

I just find it crazy though that Best Buy employees are stilllll telling people the 17th though for Verizon. My gf's mom called this morning(I got everyone on board for the note 4 lol) and said yes we have them in stock, but can't distribute till tomorrow.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] Rippley05:
It would be cool if you did get yours so we can at least see what Verizon has done as far as branding and stripping of apps/features (Samsung Browser, etc). I feel your pain on the G3, I'm using the same thing.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] tu3218:
Well my best buy is saying the 23rd so very unlikely for me but my gf, and her mom's best buy is still saying in fact tomorrow so I'll definitely keep you guys posted.

Side note, what you made you want the note 4? I really do love my G3, I think mainly it was the $200 off that did it. I mean the note 4 is going to be a beastly phone but the G3 is right there with I think.