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[Galaxy Note 4 General] oxxshadow:
Hey guys,

I am going to bite the bullet and purchase a Rogers Note 4 second hand for 600. 1 month old with glass screen protector and a 32GB SD card. Any tips or anything I should look for or test before buying? And do you guys think this is a good price, or am I better off with something else?

Furthermore, anyone know how to unlock this to work with Virgin?
[Galaxy Note 4 General] mrnovanova:
Chances are you can get a better price by the end of the month with the new s6 coming out April 11th. I already reserved mine so that means I'll be getting rid of my note 4 and I'm sure I won't be the only one. More devices mean lower prices. But I guess that if you must have it now 600$ is as good a price as any. Once you have the device all you need to do is unlock it and you're good to go.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] oxxshadow:
That's true. I am still deciding between the Note and the S6 edge. The only thing I am worried about is that software updates and such will not come to our Note, especially being a carrier model. Otherwise, I am not sure if its worth over 400 more for the S6
[Galaxy Note 4 General] mrnovanova:
Descisions, decisions my friend. On one hand you have a great device, the note 4, which is arguably sammy's best offering so far and on the other hand you have what can potentially be the best phone ever. I think that in your case it comes down to one thing. Do you note?
[Galaxy Note 4 General] manmeet604:
Price is decent, but watch out for Chinese fake models! There is a guide online if you search for it...the Chinese models are slow, don't have an OLED screen, half the resolution, S-PEN is wonky, serial number will be 'ABCD EFGH" etc...

There are a ton of them on craigslist...

Also check the IMEI
[Galaxy Note 4 General] oxxshadow:
How do you check an IMEI if its clean?
[Galaxy Note 4 General] manmeet604:
There are a lot of websites to check the IMEI, however, I heard it takes a few days before a reported-stolen IMEI gets blacklisted, so it's possibly the phone you buy will be blacklisted two days later...just something to keep in mind
[Galaxy Note 4 General] AndroidSon:
A lot of the scammers are selling fake knockoffs for around $600 on kijiji. Do a basic physical inspection using some of the guides you can find here on xda to spot fake knockoffs. Next, factory reset the phone and boot into download mode. All the fake ones I've seen so far goes into some chinese recovery mode instead of the regular download mode. Reboot the phone and look around the settings for a bit to make sure, it's not a clone touchwiz rom. Also, make sure the IMEI provided by the seller matches to correct Note 4 model and is not blacklisted using the following links. Then make sure IMEI on phone matches to the IMEI provided by seller. Good luck. :good:

P.S: If seller refuses for checkup before paying, most likely, the are a scammer.

Check imei matches to correct phone model: http://www.imei.info/

Check imei is not blacklisted/stolen: http://swappa.com/esn
[Galaxy Note 4 General] force70:
The issue exactly.

It might be clean when you buy..but a week...month down the road the seller reports it stolen.

I always make sure if i use kijiji i get the license plate num of whoever is meeting me. That way i can track them later if i need to find them.

sent from Canada via my Note 4, 3, 2 or S3
[Galaxy Note 4 General] manmeet604:
Even with the license plate, you'll have a hard time..and if you do find them, then what? If they sold you a fake phone, the cops don't care (it's technically not illegal). If it's a stolen phone, then maybe...
[Galaxy Note 4 General] force70:
Dont need the police nor would i bother even trying,they have more important issues to deal with.

Fake or stolen isnt important , i have a zero tolerance policy for scam artists and scumbags in any capacity...that is whats important lol.

sent from Canada via my Note 4, 3, 2 or S3
[Galaxy Note 4 General] manmeet604:
Well you'll love this story, someone sold me a fake Chinese Note 4 (yes i'm stupid) anyway....within I week I had their name, address, etc...

Went to the house, they **** their pants and I came back for the money the next day (He was texting me saying "you'll never find me..." weeks before)
[Galaxy Note 4 General] force70:
And there you have it...thats how its done fellas. Hes lucky you didnt give him an all expense paid hospital trip. Never let anyone get away with ripping you off.

sent from Canada via my Note 4, 3, 2 or S3
[Galaxy Note 4 General] manmeet604:
I considered it...but he was underage, so I did something much much worse....I told his parents! So nobody will go to jail for the horrible beating I'm sure he received :laugh: Brains over Brawn
[Galaxy Note 4 General] mrnovanova:
But did you get your money back? Nvrmnd the next day. Got it.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] manmeet604:
Yeap! Every dollar...

I got lucky by finding him though...let it be a lesson to all, be careful on Craigslist
[Galaxy Note 4 General] ultramegax:
I work for a Canadian carrier and just wanted to chime in that the blacklisting is instantaneous. If a client visits their provider, and they blacklist the phone because they report it lost or stolen, it doesn't take any time at all.

I've done it many times before, and I usually check right away.

So if that makes you feel any better.

Of course, nothing stops the original owner from blacklisting it after it's in your possession.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] electech13:
"potentially the best phone ever"?.. I guess to each his own as this is very subjective but as much as I've liked Sammy for a while now and typically the S line and that I keep hoping they'll put out a truly show stopping phone I highly doubt this will be the best phone ever.

Glad it's going to a premium body but glass back.. Not sold on that.

Big deal breakers of no removable battery and no SD slot are huge.

Battery isn't that big either at 2550mah and expect drain to be high with another high end screen.

No front facing speakers again although they moved to bottom and they are louder.

Bottom headphone port is actually a bad thing for many.

Protruding back camera not a huge issue but not preferable by many. Obviously no waterproofing but once again that's not too big too many, only a bonus but some do want that in all newer high end phones now.

Long time hated by many physical home button still there and bigger but at least it now will allow for better non swipe fingerprint id.

And as always (even with it being scaled down) TouchWiz still exists. That's one of the biggest peeves for Sammy phones from many for long time but at least it can be easily sidestepped via root and rom.

So potentially best phone ever is a stretch imo and no removable battery or SD really kill it (for me and many I know) but I'm sure to a few they may dub it best phone ever.. Personally, I badly wanted it to be and was planning to buy but let down again.

This Note4 still rocks and up there for best current phones. Hardware is incredible but I still have my only one big issue and that's the damn firmware for the camera that has a far to slow shutter speed causing way too many (what should be easily good shots) to suffer from motion blur. Other then that.. Top notch!
[Galaxy Note 4 General] meboy:
I had the same decision to make and was waiting for the mwc full details.

I've reserved an S6.

The list of improvements just kept piling up.

Then watching the hands on and seeing the classy black. Seeing it take 0 seconds to get to the camera and nearly instant shot. Everything is so fast..

Only one phone I kept for 2+ years had a battery malfunction and needed replaced.

Not concerned about battery life either. Everything is more efficient. Screen, soc, ram, storage. It'll be better than the S5. Maybe the same as the Note 4.

Home key is a plus for more than it's a minus.

Touchwiz is great. Adds useful features. Just needed to be lighter which they've done. It's very quick now. Fastest I've ever seen in any flagship android.

Waterproofing brought to many compromises. The sound, Mic, weight, bezels.

Bottom headphone port is good. Easier to put in and out of your pocket while plugged in.

No SD card is a negative at the pricing we've seen. If it had been cheaper even that wouldn't be an issue for many.

I think best phone ever is about right.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] mrnovanova:
Diddo! No SD card also means faster access to files. I had the 64gb OnePlus one and always had about 20gb to spare so I'm not worried about that. Besides my note 4 charges so fast I don't know that I would ever need a spare battery. I usually go from galaxy s4 to Nexus except for the nexus 6. I opted for the note instead. All this to say, the sealed battery and set storage is by no means a deal breaker for me.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] Idan73:
A question for those that work in the industry. If a buyer on kijiji makes some contract with the seller (original owner), is it possible to reverse the blacklist?

Note 4 ?
[Galaxy Note 4 General] manmeet604:
Is there a list of ROMs which will work for CAD model?

Or an equivalent American model which has the same ROM support?
[Galaxy Note 4 General] ultramegax:
Since I work in the industry, I figure I'll answer your question.

The original owner can always reverse the blacklist by getting in touch with the carrier they bought it from, yes. But that is the only way it can be done. No one else but the original owner can reverse it, and no other carrier can reverse it, either.

Unfortunately, I don't see what guarantee you have that someone would do that for you, though. How would you enforce this 'contract'?
[Galaxy Note 4 General] sefrcoko:
Yes, force70 just told you in the reply you quoted :). Check out the tmobile Note 4 development threads, they work on our N910W8 model (although most require a custom kernel like AEL).
[Galaxy Note 4 General] shaggyskunk:
Slimroms.net also has a trltecan build for the Note 4 - No separate kernel required

CM Remix is also Canada friendly

Rootbox as well - CM Roms are also friendly to Canadians ?

"bye bye sweet Canadian moonshine"
[Galaxy Note 4 General] Idan73:
Well. I originally asked whether carrier, when shown proof, basically a bill of sale, would acknowledge it, as basically their customer cheating the system, and reversing the block. I got my answer.

I guess, the rules, as they exist, basically encourage physical confrontation.

I guess the carriers are fine with that, as at the same time, it encourages the distrust in kijiji, and second hand market in handsets, while leaving them as preferred and vastly more expensive option, for those already under contract.

Note 4 ?
[Galaxy Note 4 General] electech13:
Have you tried various kernels yet (for our W8 variants that is)? I haven't really tested many yet but curious if there are several that are ok or still only a couple and what you might have tried and or liked/not liked.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] ultramegax:
Sorry, I suppose I was confused by the phrasing. But yes, you're correct. The answer is still the same, regardless. A bill of sale is effectively worthless to the carriers. I'm sorry that that isn't the answer you're looking for, though.

I mean, if it were Wind, they might do it for you, to be completely honest (though that is only pure speculation, based on the fact that they were originally not on-board with the national blacklist, but now are, albeit in a somewhat different capacity), but the carrier I work for is very strict in protecting customer privacy, and following the procedures and protections that it has in place (and I could never see any carrier being on board with the legal can of worms that could emerge from bills of sale being accepted). And as they currently exist, what you're asking for just isn't feasible. And I know that all of the other major carriers follow similar procedures.

I understand where you're coming from to a certain extent, but the idea of the blacklist is to avoid those confrontations, or indeed, reduce them. Of course, whether or not it actually ends up working out remains to be seen, but the hope is that after everyone realizes this blacklist exists (because many still don't, actually), phone thefts will begin to drop and the illicit market for stolen devices will shrink. That is the market the carriers are most concerned about affecting, and the implications it has had on business operations. They don't mind anyone honestly giving/selling a phone to another individual.

In fact, the carriers would much rather you come with your own phone, as the handsets are very expensive for the carriers to purchase. Many people are under this false assumption that somehow the carriers must pay little or nothing for these $700+ phones, and that just isn't the case. They're usually covering that entire cost, or the majority of it, when they're buying each device from the manufacturer.

So if one wanted to follow the train of thought you've suggested, with the reality of the device prices carriers themselves have to pay, the carriers would have zero incentive to institute this blacklist. But in reality, the idea behind it really isn't malicious.

Anyway. Just some food for thought.

And for what it's worth, I do understand your frustrations. As someone who recently sold a brand new, unused phone (after quite some time of trying), and has a couple of used phones that he wants to sell, this does make it more difficult, and does depreciate the value of the devices on the second hand market, to a certain extent. But it is what it is.

Hopefully this post provides some greater clarity and makes sense.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] force70:
I've used all the kernels..and most revisions of each one lol.

Personal preference is AEL and Nadia.

sent from Canada via my Note 4, 3, 2 or S3
[Galaxy Note 4 General] Brava27:
I find Nadia is very solid and trustworthy. Ael seems to crash and lag at times for me.

Sent from the first Samsung Galaxy ever
[Galaxy Note 4 General] meboy:
Stick to EBay and always use your credit card through PayPal, Not bank account.

Then you're covered.

I can't stand kijiji..
[Galaxy Note 4 General] 2xbass:
Cannot bloody believe how long it is taking for the Lollipop update for the W8.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] mrnovanova:
I wonder if it's going to be out before the s6.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] daniel4653:
Isn't the W8 pretty much an international version like the C and F?

Sent from my SM-N910W8
[Galaxy Note 4 General] Idan73:
Please explain.

Note 4 ?
[Galaxy Note 4 General] meboy:
Then it will take longer yet to get to a no bug, ironed out, silent mode, 5.0.2

No. Not really.

They were released in more places.

People were talking about buying phones on kijiji.

Don't. There is no reason to take the risk.

Buy on Ebay, check feedback, etc.

Then always pay with credit card and never your bank account through PayPal.

Credit card covers you. EBay and PayPal are one layer of security but if they don't come through, you're still covered by Visa.

Why I hate kijiji? Tire kickers, lazy, inaccurate, unsafe, I could go on and on.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] mrnovanova:
I have to say that I've purchased numerous phones and devices through kijiji and always without a hitch. I got my gear 2 neo, gear 2, gear live, gear s, nexus 5, galaxy s5, LG G3, OnePlus one, beats wireless, a puppy, a kitten, my car and the list goes on. I've also sold quite a few of those things via kijiji as well. Of course if you're a dumbass (present company not included) kijiji is not for you.

The reason why I love kijiji is that when I want something I want it now. Now when ordering on kijiji I make sure that I meet whoever I'm meeting in a public place. Tim's, Starbucks. I take the time to verify and ensure all is working before I buy it. I also love the opportunity to check things for myself before I buy. Of course there a crooks out there. I've had a guy try to sell me a fake s4 guess what I didn't buy it. I didn't have to wait three weeks to receive thnn file a complaint, then return it and wait for my money back to do it all over again.

I only do eBay for little thing I don't mind waiting 3 weeks for but even then I prefer Amazon because it usually takes a week. I don't mess with Craigslist. Now that's shady. Lol.

I don't know what happened to you on kijiji bro. But that's your story not mine. Kijiji is A-OK by me.

Ask for receipts, verify, make use of vigilance. Bring someone along for a second opinion. I'll take today over in three weeks every time.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] GladdBag:
I always use only Kijiji when dealing with phones for the simple reason that all my transactions take place in person. I've bought probably six or seven phones on Kijiji and sold just as many and never have had a problem. I've never bought a device on Ebay for the simple reason that yeah, you're covered with PayPal if you use your credit card, but what a pain in the a** it would be in the meantime.

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And on the subject of Samsung taking forever to update their devices, I'm thinking that this might be the last Samsung device I own. I can handle waiting for an update to new Android versions - what I absolutely cannot stand and have no patience for is the absolute dearth of information regarding when we might be able to expect it. You ask Samsung Canada if they have any information and their response is basically, "Hey, thanks for asking, but we are just as clueless as the guy standing outside the liquor store!! Could be today, could be in eight months!! Who knows??!!" THIS is what I find disgraceful. How freaking impossible it is to get any information. I bought my device no-term at a Bell store for $800 in October, thinking (mistakenly) that maybe Samsung was already working on the 5.0 update for this device. It's now almost six months later and ........
[Galaxy Note 4 General] mrnovanova:
Lol. As clueless as the guy standing outside the liquor store. Love it!

I'm right there with you bro, expectations wise. I thought, for sure the note 4 will get lollipop first. Little did I know...
[Galaxy Note 4 General] meboy:
Good luck with other companies.

If you had been keeping track Samsung does better than most.

One of the most ridiculous things to dis Samsung for.

Other thing. Google screwed up Lollipop. What a mess that would be for the manufacturers.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] dbzgod:
I feel like it's taking longer then it should but I also feel that Samsung has had to deal with goofs in Lollipop that pretty much google decided not to fix till 5.0.2 or the yet unannounced 5.1

Silent mode being one example, Samsung has restored that functionality in 5.0 and 5.0.1, I helped my mother update her S5 to Lollipop and it has mute restored and so far it's been great not like the bugs that Nexus users had complained of.

It sucks that there is a delay but atleast Samsung is cleaning up the mess google skipped.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] 2xbass:
I realise Google screwed up some things on Lollipop but Samsung has also screwed this up in a number of ways. What's most annoying is all these stupid variations of the device and the fact that the update is out for older Samsung devices including the Note 3. I had Lollipop on my Nexus 5 before I switched to the Note 4 and even though I expected a delay I did not expect it to be as bad as this. It's pretty insulting to buy one of Samsung's latest flagships and then see the update out for older devices.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] Idan73:
Well if you have note3 and possibly older Sammy phones, you will realise that they are actually right on track as previous years. Everything, from S series getting update first, to older previous note series (half ass gimped update), to us being approx one week behind closest USA model (provider-this year tmob), while exynos and euro models are marching on.

The only difference, really, this year, is that S flagship will come out so early.

Again updates are right on track. If Canadian Note passes end of March mark, then you can talk about them being late... Till then...

Trust me, I'm the last guy that is an apologist for samsung, and nobody is happy with the situation, but honestly, they are the same as in the past. Moaning does not help either.

Note 4 ?

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While I sincerely appreciate your answer, and explanation of industry practises. It does tend to read like Rogers announcements "in order to serve you better".

So while I disagree on number of suppositions in your reply , I do not want to go into long, drawn out discussion about it.

Maybe years have made me too much of a cynic.

Anyways, your answers are really appreciated.

As for me, I will continue using kijiji for my cellphone needs, but now I will start taking pictures of driver licences from sellers, and will also provide mine, in all future dealings, in good faith. So whether, that will lead to a confrontation, small claims,.... Whatever...

Note 4 ?
[Galaxy Note 4 General] Idan73:
[MENTION=3543226]ultramegax[/MENTION] i apologise if I seemed to just throw cynicism, without facts, or explanation. Although I could have, I felt that this is not the forum for it. Therefore, I just wanted to say that I disagree on some premises but not make a big deal out of it. Main one being, that provider is the one paying for those phones. Certainly, provider gets the phones, and whether they pay full price for it, or not, is besides the point. It is always the customers that pay for that full cost down the line, whether they stay under contract, or month to month, or switch providers and are forced to pay out a contract or a remainder of a cost of a handset. Some loss, does happen, for those that don't care about their credit score. Vast majority is covered, to the last penny and/or more.

I do understand that they are the corporations, with the sole responsibility of making money for the shareholders. But let's all understand that, and not pretend that they are doing anything other than that.

Seriously, did not mean to rile you up, and understand that you are speaking with best intentions.

All the best.

Note 4 ?
[Galaxy Note 4 General] alquistador:
i am new to the note 4 forum and was inquiring if i can install any snapdragon rom or does it have to say w8 compatible?
[Galaxy Note 4 General] mrnovanova:
Head on over to the TMO section. Most W8 compatible roms can be found there. I recommend firekat ftw.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] kodath:
Modded my Rogers Note 4 last night :D
[Galaxy Note 4 General] Brava27:
What exactly did you do?
[Galaxy Note 4 General] kodath:
Just a frame swap to gold lol
[Galaxy Note 4 General] mrnovanova:
Where did you get the frame? Link please.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] kodath:
http://www.ebay.ca/itm/Genuine-Samsung-N910F-Galaxy-Note-4-Gold-Complete-Chassis-with-Camera-Lens-GH9-/331393082051?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_2&hash=item4d289122c3
[Galaxy Note 4 General] ozzyos:
As expected from Samsung..
[Galaxy Note 4 General] Brava27:
How did you make the screen sit inside the frame flush? Did you use adhesive or glue?
[Galaxy Note 4 General] PieOfJustice:
Not surprised. Well Lollipop 5.1 is out now so I guess we can either expect to get 5.0.1 in a few months or they will just skip to 5.1 sobwe can get that around the end of the year.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] mrnovanova:
Or maybe they already skipped 5.0.2 and have 5.1 ready to go but could not roll it out before Google. #miraclesdohappen
[Galaxy Note 4 General] GladdBag:
Actually, you are factually incorrect - the reason Lollipop is taking so long for the Note 4 is because the kernel needs additional tweaking and enhancements in order for it to be compatible with Samsung's VR, which nobody has even heard about or used.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] gqman69:
Funny because the master says otherwise:

https://twitter.com/id_aa_carmack/status/561652982987915264
[Galaxy Note 4 General] kodath:
I just used a hair dryer on the back side of the LCD to reheat the left over adhesive and then put the new frame on, everything sits flush.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] mrnovanova:
That's old news buddy. It's been refuted by samsung itself. Nothing to do the the VR thingamagig.