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[G 2014 General] Wolfcity:
[MENTION=4068832]pabreu[/MENTION] : Thanks for your reply, yes I know that the recovery will get lost with that method. I´m considering about just rooting the phone for the moment and wait for a recovery that is able to backup/restore on the external storage?
[G 2014 General] pabreu:
If I'm not wrong, the problem with TWRP is that it only does a backup to the external storage, unlike Philz recovery.
[G 2014 General] Wolfcity:
I´ve seen it, you refer to this thread: http://xdaforums.com/moto-g-2014/development/recovery-twrp-2-8-0-1-moto-g-2014-t2896165 ?

One more question, is it right that the "mismatch partition size" error,that appears with all recoveries is normal because all non official image show this message ?

It doesn´t mean that there´s a problem or a technical bug?

And thx for the hint with the volume up instead of the powerbutton.
[G 2014 General] tiki667:
Yes it is normal, custom recoveries are all different sizes than the original one.
[G 2014 General] vikrant89:
Thank you... :) This works... fine... :)

:)

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But this one is temporary fix. looking for permanent fix... Can anyone help? Cant we wipe the earlier recovery and than install our recovery?
[Xperia Z3 General] dragonfet:
Hiya,

I'm copying my original post over from the Z3 Compact forum as there should be a fair amount of similarities between the two models regarding battery charging.

So, as the same goes for the Z3: If someone can record their charging times, charging current and charger used: Go ahead and post it. Bonus points for taking a look at magnetic charging.
[Xperia Z3 General] jonmorris:
A recent tear down confirms the Qualcomm chip for Quick Charge 2.0 support, so what we need now is for someone to get a compatible PSU that can 'talk' to the phone and then supply more power. That should see a huge improvement in charge time.

I am just trying to find a source for a compatible charger. So far I've only seen the Motorola Turbo Charger in the USA, and I'd be wary of buying anything made by a no-name brand at this point.

I have to assume the magnetic charging option won't be as fast, simply as there can't be a way for the PSU to know it is connected to a compatible device. Quick Charge 2.0 appears to require some sort of handshaking, or else the PSU will limit the power output, hence why I'd be wary of any chargers appearing on eBay or Amazon that claim to offer fast charging.
[Xperia Z3 General] subhani:
I have read excellent reviews for the Blackberry Premium Charger (the one with the yellow tip), super cheap on Amazon right now. Recommended by Android Central and others for its 2A charging capability. I have used it in the past from my HTC One X days and have re ordered for my Z3. Honestly, my Z3 is charging more than fast enough with the OEM supplied charger, which may be less powerful but more optimised than another OEM's charger. The one I'd trust most if I was forced to use one would be the above model of the BB charger.
[Xperia Z3 General] Bäcker:
more power can either be achieved through more voltage (that could potentially be harmful if the hardware is not compatible) or more current. More current is 100% save as the charging circuit just takes what it needs, independent of the (more potent) capabilities of the charger.

As Oppo showed with its find 7 just raising the current is a viable option which works. This is also a Snapdragon 801 device.
[Xperia Z3 General] AKK03:
With the 1.5A original charger and cable, using Battery Monitor Widget shows the charging rate at around 900mA to 1000mA.

So I guess Z3 is restricting to max 1A charging?
[Xperia Z3 General] dragonfet:
Would it be possible that the PSU simply always limits the power output? For example, the phone might try to draw 1.5A, but the PSU doesn't support it and limits at 1.0A. Then magnetic charging could work with 1.5A or even 2.0A without the need for communication over the D+ / D- pins. (And attaching the magnetic port with a USB adapter to a PC or Laptop might cause the USB Port to shut down and trigger an overcurrent warning.)

That would make sense. Though wonder where the extra 500 mA are going, it surely can't be the phone's standby. And given a typical maximum charging current of 1.0C (C = battery capacity), it would translate into 3.1A of charging current and therefore a 3.5A power supply.

Is this current constant from 1% to about 65%?
[Xperia Z3 General] Bäcker:
If there are restrictions they are most likely within the Kernel and we may be able to change them in the future with custom Kernels
[Xperia Z3 General] AKK03:
There is some fluctuation, but is roughly around 1A.
[Xperia Z3 General] maxx228:
I have test 2 different charger

from "Battery Monitor Widget Pro" logs

with EP880 (1.5A max)

show ...................... 1.1A max

with 2 Amp charger

show .....................1.5A max
[Xperia Z3 General] dragonfet:
Thanks for the results. I have my Z3 by now and recorded some as well.

From 0 to 68%, it charges with 1000-1100 mA, then it goes into CV (constant voltage) mode and stays there until 95%. Then the curent drops slightly. The rest of the charging curve is not usable, as it was the first full charge my handset had. And the last for now, as I have to send it back due to a gap in the frame and microphone issues.

I'll post a complete curve when I have the new one and did a few cycles. What's clear for now:

1. Charging current with the stock charger is around 1.1 A max.

2. The phone charges up to 95% with 0.5% per minute. (Stock Charger)

3. It drops to 0.125% between 95% und 100%, likely to put less strain on the battery.

It's nice to see that there's appearantly support for higher charging currents. Though we should keep in mind that a higher current also means more stress for the battery, especailly when the phone is used while charging (higher battery temperature as the CPU also adds heat).
[Xperia Z3 General] vidge1111:
my Z3 came with the charging dock dk48.. it is rated at 1.8a, charging is fast
[Xperia Z3 General] mariussilverwolf:
I can't speak to the Z3 (yet), but my Z1s charges nearly twice as fast on the magnetic charging dock as it does through the USB connection. As a result, I can leave my screen on at full brightness while on the dock and still charge. I would *expect* similar behaviour from the Z3.
[Xperia Z3 General] Zanr Zij:
Original charger: about 1.0A - 1.1A. Result: 3h 50p - 4h for fully charged.

Magnetic charging dock or cable: 1.5-1.6A. Spend only 2h 45p

I'm tesing Xiaomi MI Power Banki 10400mAh. First test: 1.6A, much faster than original charger. A bit surprise!

http://www.mi.com/sg/mipowerbank/
[Xperia Z3 General] AKK03:
The original charger is rated 1.5A, actual charging on Z3 is 1.0A.

Xiaomi is rated 2.1A, so I guess is reasonable to expect 1.5A actual charging from it.

For your magnetic charging dock or cable, are you using the original charger?

With the original charger, I'm getting the same result with or without dock.
[Xperia Z3 General] Shudder123:
where did you get the magnetic charging cable?
[Xperia Z3 General] Zanr Zij:
With Mi Power Bank, I used micro USB cable, not magnetic.

I'm using Samsung Note 3 2.0A charger. Through micro USB port, I got lower current, about 1.0-1.2A but with magnetic cable 1.5-1.6A.

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Included in my Z3 retail box:)
[Xperia Z3 General] Shudder123:
you mean the USB cable?
[Xperia Z3 General] Zanr Zij:
My Z3 Dual retail box has 2 cables: usb and magnetic :)
[Xperia Z3 General] Shudder123:
where did you get yours from? mine only came with a USB cable
[Xperia Z3 General] ziuta24:
I have a z3 dual .. I did not notice the second cable in the box. I have to check again ;)
[Xperia Z3 General] Zanr Zij:
Bought in HongKong!
[Xperia Z3 General] Bäcker:
The cable plays a huge role. A crappy cable with bad resistance can reduce charging currents drastically. Tonight I used an USB extension and this reduced my charging current so much, that after 6h I only had 98% - GSAM nicely showed that the device was in fact slowly charging the whole time.
[Xperia Z3 General] AKK03:
Try to avoid USB extension cable, I used that and the charging speed is only 0.5A.

Ended up buying a 2m 24awg USB cable from a retail shop, now charging at 1.0A with dock.
[Xperia Z3 General] Bäcker:
yes, i know that it reduces my speed. This was just a general info so others can rule out their cable by testing another or removing ther extensions
[Xperia Z3 General] Run_dawn10:
Know a place that I can get a magnetic charging cable here in Malaysia?
[Xperia Z3 General] rob_h:
There are loads on eBay, I bought 3 for about £6.
[Xperia Z3 General] Bäcker:
you need to be extremely careful with that stuff. Those cheap chinese cables have to potential risk of frying your phone! As the contacts are too long this effectifely disables the reverse polarity protection.

Should you ever connect the cable the wrong way (at night, slightly drunk, sleepy.... your kid) your phone would be toast!

you can easily see it on my pic. I can only recommend the MagnetorX cable. Yes, way more expensive but the quality is where it needs to be.
[Xperia Z3 General] rob_h:
The ones I have bought have the contacts slightly recessed so you can't seat the cable the wrong way round but like you I am always extra careful with chargers etc.
[Xperia Z3 General] Bäcker:
yes, that is how it should be. Those on the right (I bought several) are also cheap ebay cables. I just wanted to raise awareness so users know what to look for.
[Xperia Z3 General] ziuta24:
This is good?
[Xperia Z3 General] Bäcker:
if the one you receive is exactly like the one on the pics you will be fine.
[Xperia Z3 General] RCJ89:
I charge my Z3 for the first time today using my 2Amp charger from the galaxy s5, phone took around 1.45mins to charge from 10%. Far better than the 235mins or nearly 4 hours phone arena showing to charge the phone.
[Xperia Z3 General] sw25:
Is the magnet strong on those MagnectorX cables? Like does it come lose when you pick it up?
[Xperia Z3 General] subhani:
http://xdaforums.com/z3/general/party-magnetic-charger-magnector-x202-t2910089

Check this thread as I have one of those chargers and I'm actually V happy with it.
[Xperia Z3 General] Bäcker:
I have three an they are really nice. Strong magnet and won't come off if you do not want it to.
[Xperia Z3 General] Run_dawn10:
Just wondering, is the Z2 dock compatible with the Z3? I can't find any cables but I do find a heck a lot of genuine Sony-branded docks for the Z2.

I'd assume the charging speed would still be faster than charging via USB?
[Xperia Z3 General] hackarchive:
this works with Motorola's quick charger so just buy one and you'll be fine.
[Xperia Z3 General] Bäcker:
have you tried yourself? that would be really good news
[Xperia Z3 General] hackarchive:
Moto said it on G+
[Xperia Z3 General] Run_dawn10:
It's still listed as 'Coming Soon' on Moto's site.
[Xperia Z3 General] subhani:
The PIC below is taken an hour and 23 minutes later on charge via Magnector X202 charger. It reached 46% charge in that time. The recorded battery life you see above is also after charging the battery via the magnetic strip.

I only charge magnetically. It's a no brainer. Charges as fast if not faster than bundled Sony cable. The screenshot above should also show that I had the screen on the whole time I was charging it in that 1hour 23minute period. It would have charged quicker had I left the device alone but I'm a smartphone addict. I was mostly using Tapatalk and chrome browser during that charging period. This leads me to believe that the Z3 isn't as slow at charging as some would have me believe. So I'm hazarding a guess that the Z3 would fully charge in under 3 hours quite easily.

I didn't take any special measures to help increase battery life. You can see that it was even using a bit of GPS at one point for navigating a short journey. All battery saving modes disabled. Except I had 'queue background data' checked. This doesn't seem to do anything since I was getting instant notifications for Telegram and gmail. I had Google always listening for the hotword and I had location service in battery saving mode. Google managed to keep the device awake for more than 6 hours!

So next, I'm definitely going to turn the hot word detection off. And see if stamina mode does anything since it has been reported to do nothing by many users.
[Xperia Z3 General] Golgo:
I just purchased some accessories to my Z3 from netimes.com. I've used them before and they ship quick and have good prices.

I threw in a magnetic USB cable since it's only a few bucks but I have no idea what the quality is. Do you guys think there could be any potential risk to the phone in using this with the standard charger?

http://www.netimes.com/shop/magnetic-usb-charging-cable-for-sony-xperia-z-ultra-xperia-z1-xperia-z1-compact-xperia-z2-black-p-4975.html?cPath=882_1008
[Xperia Z3 General] Bäcker:
Contacts recessed - no risk

Contacts stick out higher than plastic - risk of burning your phone when reverse connection is made
[Xperia Z3 General] poldie:
Mine came with normal cable only (not magnetic - got one on ebay for a couple of quid) but also a USB OTG which i've not read anyone else getting, nor have I noticed it in the manual. Anyone else get one?
[Xperia Z3 General] cadboncopyvw:
Yep, I got a USB OTG cable - seen a few people mention getting them so I assume it's a standard thing.
[Xperia Z3 General] Zanr Zij:
My charging speed. I'm quite ok with this. Of course I want more :D
[Xperia Z3 General] subhani:
I had no idea screen shots come up ginormous on the wen version on xda. I use tapatalk mobile app. Any way to circumvent this?
[Xperia Z3 General] poldie:
Get a smaller phone!
[Xperia Z3 General] vinx1127:
Quick Charge 2.0 Adapater

Hi Guys,

I read this article that Z3 has the quick charge technology along with the other phones e.g S5 and Note 4 however I'm not sure how true it is as it is not being advertised.

I just want to ask if we can use this quick charge technology through changing the appropriate wall charger?

I'm just thorn between Note 4 and Z3.
[Xperia Z3 General] munkustrap:
Qualcomm's Quick Charge 2.0 is more about charging voltage instead of current. See OP's other post in Z3c forum.
[Xperia Z3 General] infinitylook:
i've got a qc 2.0 charger

It's the docomo quick charger ordered straight from Japan. Charges my z3 dual from 0-100 in 2hrs. I don't think it's impressive. By the way the charger is Qualcomm certified and among the first to be released. Anyone also has qc 2.0 charger here?
[Xperia Z3 General] subhani:
Do you have a link for where we can buy it? Is there any customs/duty tax involved for importing to the UK?
[Xperia Z3 General] infinitylook:
Try searching in ebay.
[Xperia Z3 General] Allesa:
I can confirm QC 2.0 charger doesnt work with Z3. I have puregear QC 2.0 certified charger and it didnt work back then when I'm still using Z3. Now i'm back on HTC One M8 and the charger works.

With Z3, My puregear QC 2.0 charger was equal to my regular 2a lenovo charger. They charge faster than stock sony charger, yet not QC2.0 fast.
[Xperia Z3 General] TordFuglstad:
Please tell me why the Z3C has quick charge 2.0 and the Z3 don't.. Stupid.
[Xperia Z3 General] se1000:
QuickCharge 2.0 works on my D6616 + Tenergy Turbo charger. Verified by the LED status indicator color on the charger
[Xperia Z3 General] infinitylook:
Why tenergy only? Whats your voltage rate during charge? That's not good if it only works for tenergy
[Xperia Z3 General] abhinav.tella:
I'm really afraid of third party chargers after all those Apple iPhone incidents of deaths/injuries. I looked for the HTC Quickcharger but its sold out :(.
[Xperia Z3 General] infinitylook:
Yes you're right. The minimum output of iPad charger is not compatible with z3's output so either cable willl burn or power supply of phone would be damage from excess voltage and current.

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I wonder what's with Tenergy implementation that makes it work with Sony. I guess QC 2.0 is a standard implementation and tenergy also doesn't mention "special compatible with Sony " nor the other way around.
[Xperia Z3 General] se1000:
QC 2.0 should be QC2.0. Make sure you're using a good quality cable, not a "charge only" cable because I believe the data pins are used to negotiate QC2.0, also why it only works via micro USB and not the magnetic port.

A charger with a higher output will not damage a device that requires a lower output. There is no "minimum" output.
[Xperia Z3 General] infinitylook:
Yes I know that I have a certified qc 2.0 and also on the list of suppoted chargers by Qualcomm. However the charging rate on usb for my D6633 is far from being quick charge 2.0 standard. Maybe you can download current widget amd try charging your phone and check voltage and current levels? I believe that tenergy has the same circuit with this charger from docomo and this charger of mine works with the s5 on my friend. It really charges her phone fast
[Xperia Z3 General] se1000:
Which widget, I'll try it later tonight
[Xperia Z3 General] infinitylook:
Current widget is the name of the app. Try plugging in charger and monitoring it on the widget if it will go up in voltage.
[Xperia Z3 General] se1000:
I get 1600mA on the Tenergy charger when the LED is green

Looks like there is a limitation, although it switches to 9v, it doesn't pull the full amperage
[Xperia Z3 General] infinitylook:
As I remember the full amp when you're in 9v is only 1500mah. So you reached 9v? What was your charging speed per minute?

As I see on the screenshot it's only 3.9v which is the same as mine
[Xperia Z3 General] TordFuglstad:
I sent a mail to Sony in Norway. They told me that Z3 Compact has quick charge 2.0, but that Z3 didn't have it. The only Z3 that has quick charge 2.0 is the japanese versions. Stupid Sony.
[Xperia Z3 General] infinitylook:
Wow if that is true then it's really stupid. And it would be most stupid if Z3 tablet compact won't have it. Quick Charge was made for devices with large batteries like tablets and phones 3000mah above
[Xperia Z3 General] abhinav.tella:
I suppose they have to enable it with an update like they did for the M8.
[Xperia Z3 General] se1000:
the 3.947v is the voltage of the battery, not the incoming current.

As you can see from the screenshot, at 1600mA, the phone would charge just under 1%/min
[Xperia Z3 General] infinitylook:
Mine also charges 1%/min. It's not quick charge 2.0 and it's still slow compated to galaxy s5 and note 4 (and note 4 has even bigger battery). Guess they didn't really enabled it
[Xperia Z3 General] srw985:
Any potential reasons why Sony would decide to enable QC2.0 on all Z3C, Japanese Z3 but not any others?
[Xperia Z3 General] infinitylook:
Now that's a question really. I don't understand why they don't enable it for universal variants or maybe the hardware (maybe power supply or usb port used) doesn't really support it for the universal Z3
[Xperia Z3 General] PinguBene:
Do you think I will be fine with using my Find 7 VOOC Charger?
[Xperia Z3 General] infinitylook:
Yes, I think. VOCC would only act as a normal charger though inputting around 1500mah to Z3 since it's the maximum for Z3. FAST CHARGE on VOOC would require special charging pin which only the oppo phones have.
[Xperia Z3 General] S3R6PH:
Device not fully charged

Hello.

I have only one problem,

If i charge my XPERIA Z3 via micro usb usually with the stock charger, it always stops at 97-98%

But if i plug out and in the micro usb charger it jump to 100%!!!

Via magnetic the charge its slower, but its charge fully up.

Device is one month old.

Could sommebody help me how should i solve this issue? May it solve the EP881 charger?
[Xperia Z3 General] moritz-mobile:
One percent per minute is only possible with QuickCharging at >5V .

I tested my Z3 D6603 by hooking it up to a multimeter and could indeed verify a Voltage of 9V at about 1.5A which results in about 13-14W of Power.

Compared to the Nexus 6 which charges at about 1.1-1.2%/min with almost the same battery capacity there should be no doubt that Quick Charging is indeed possible.

Note that Quick Charging is enabled only via microUSB, not the magnetic Dock Port though which makes it far less compelling to me.
[Xperia Z3 General] Entropy512:
Yeah. High-resistance USB cables can really kill charging current with standard chargers. One of the goals of Qualcomm's QC2.0 is to be more tolerant of cable losses by using higher voltages (lower current for a given wattage) - For example I've got a right-angle USB cable I use in my car that is fairly thin. It has serious issues keeping phones charged while running Google Maps Navigation, but I need the thinner cable to reduce strain on my car dock. (Thick cables tend to cause the dock to creep).

QC2.0 chargers work GREAT with that cable when normal chargers won't.

This is WRONG. The Z3 supports QC2.0, as can be confirmed by any QC2.0 charger that indicates that it is in QC2.0 mode. (Mine is a D6603 bought in the USA in November). I can confirm it works with both the Tenergy charger at http://www.amazon.com/Tenergy-Universal-Adaptive-Qualcomm®-technology/dp/B00OVD3FEU/ and the Powermod car charger at http://www.amazon.com/Powermod-Charge-Certified--Vehicle-Charger/dp/B00P9UILUM/ - The Powermod does not have a QC2.0 status indicator, but the difference in charge rates when running Maps is night and day (see above).

However, the Z3 appears to only support 9v charging - not the 12v mode of QC2.0. Although I think technically both are the same wattage (9v@2A vs. 12v@1.5A are the limits, the stock Sony kernel for 4.4 limits to 1.8A@9v), the 12v mode is more tolerant of cable losses.

As an FYI, Qualcomm's reference source appears to only support 9v@1.5A unless the OEM overrides it. Sony appears to override to 1.8A in the kernel source.
[Xperia Z3 General] Allesa:
Well I timed the charging time, between using my old go-to lenovo 2a (non qc) charger and my puregear qc2.0 charger. No significant difference. D6653 international version. Both still performing better than the stock charger coming with it tho.

Oh well moved on from z3, can't really check into anything anymore.
[Xperia Z3 General] Entropy512:
Due to the nonreplaceable battery, I believe Sony intentionally limits the charging current into the battery more conservatively than with other devices.

The difference becomes much more obvious not when charging an idle device, but when charging a device that's in use, especially when using a thinner USB cable. I've had my z3 discharge while in my car dock because Maps used more than what a normal charger could supply through my right-angle USB cable (again, I use this less-than-optimal cable because it's very flexible) - meanwhile the device charges very well when using a QC2.0 charger.

Edit: Yeah, I've done a bit more investigating. On the Z3, the battery charge current is limited to 1.5A (slightly under 0.5C) in all cases. When the device is on a standard charger WITH a good cable AND the system power consumption is low (device is idle with screen off) - it will be able to reach this limit. However you won't see it if you've got a longer/thinner cable (like the one I use in my car because it has a rightangle connector) or the device is consuming power for other purposes (screen on, CPU running).

With a QC2.0 charger, there's far more input available available, so you can hit the 1.5A battery current limit even when the device has the screen on, running Maps, with a less-than-ideal USB cable for charging.

The Z3c, despite having a smaller battery, actually has a 1.8A battery current limit (0.7C) below 60%, dropping to 1.3A (0.5C) above 60%.

I believe the primary reasoning for the fairly conservative charge rates here is that the battery is completely nonremovable. In other devices, even "nonremovable" batteries can usually be replaced by a service center, but with the Z family, that probably can't be done without compromising the waterproofing.
[Xperia Z3 General] Bäcker:
At least in Germany you can have the battery replaced by the official repair service for around $40.