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[General Topics] symondavis:
I will be selling my Exec and XDA IIi when these start to hit the UK.

Anyone know who the UK carrier/supplier will be?
[General Topics] st3v3:
hey check this write up from Gizmodo,

reminds me of that episode of south park, "the simpsons already did it..."

http://gizmodo.com/gadgets/macworld...-already-does-what-the-iphone-does-227778.php

its still damn nice hardware but just a shame about the software.
[General Topics] HurricaneDj:
Give It To Us>the Precious!

I love my Universal! Hackked and running well (Even A2DP/Spider)

I have however, wasted plenty valuble time getting it to "WORK"

I use MAC and PC Professionally for Media editing, and I can tell you> Altho I can build a PC to run "Faster"> I can rely on the MAC to run "Flawless"

For this reason, I only take MACs to gigs> or whe I have clients recording in REAL TIME.

If the Iphone runs like true osX than my only question is:

HOW CAN I PRE-ORDER???

CAN I KEEP MY T-MOBILE #......LOL

SERIOUSLY I WANT TO GET IT EARLY IF NOT IN THE FIRST SHIPMENT.>>>> WHERE?

:D

SEEMS TO HAVE MOST THINGS I WANT>>>

EXCEPT THAT I hear no mention yet of A2DP?
[General Topics] rodete:
i want one :p
[General Topics] joe_dude:
Well, I'm thinking that the iPhone will be more akin to the Sony PSP than to a WM device.

I think those who are using a WM phone for its extra features will probably be perfectly suited for the iPhone - with a lot less headaches. For those who use a WM phone as a PDA/mini-laptop, the iPhone just won't cut it.

It's also interesting to see the parallel between iMac vs. Windoze PC and iPhone vs. WM phone. Work of art vs. the Wild West? :D
[General Topics] deathMiata:
Oily: I can say your post exactly summed up the market that this phone will be reaching out to... The people who want to combine together their media player and phone together into a single solution.

On a related tangent...

My experiences are limited to Motorola as I used to hang on a few modification forums... If someone with experiences can chime in about music phones with the other manufacturers, it would be appreciated.

Motorola has been pushing this barrier for the past few years...

If anyone remembers the Motorola E398, that was a "revolutionary" music phone as it had "3D sound" speakers and fun-lights (from the V80). The crippling point of the phone was the TransFlash (with SanDisk exclusively marketing the memory) and the phone overall was mediocre UNLESS you decided to take a risk to flash in the various Monster Pack or FlexLash packages.

Then Motorola releases the Motorola ROKR (only some parts of Europe and Asia would get the iTunes-less version). The iTunes-less ROKR was basically just a rehash of the E398 but with minor tweaks to the OS. The iTunes one was the same as the E398 but with a Java based version of iTune. Sadly, Motorola crippled it a whole lot worse than the E398... iTunes by default would lock out at 100 songs; it didn't matter if you had a 1 GB TransFlash and could theoretically hold 3000+ songs. The main problems of the E398 once again return, but due to the changes for this "update" the phone saw terrible instability in the early firmware and flexware versions. Once again, the Monster Pack and FlexLash packs would save the phone's grace. Not to mention, some folks on the Motorola community would break the crippled iTunes to hold a significantly better 1,000 songs.

The SLVR L7 was basically a ROKR/E398 with the slim principles of the RAZR in it's heart... The only new modification was hot-swappable TransFlash and quad-band EDGE support. Same problems from it's predecessors sadly...

The V3i/V3m/V3x/V3MAXX/KRZR (and even the leaked RIZR Z6) all seem to be rehashes of the old E398 and ROKR's in the guise of an OS powered by a mix of Linux and Java in fancy body shells...

What does the above have to do with the iPhone? The iPhone really uncomplicates the idea of the music phone. Much like how the portable music player industry was changed with the iPod's simplicity, I think that the iPhone will be a big step for music phones as far as simplicity goes. I personally think that the target at hand for Apple is Sidekicks, Motorola, Sony Ericsson, and Nokia, NOT WM5 devices or Blackberry like so many posts attack on various forums, web pages, and communities show..

Clearly, WM5 devices or Blackberries will be king when it comes to business... This will be due to Windows Server apps, Blackberry Connect, Outlook, etc. I will probably end up keeping my Wizard for my business phone, but get the iPhone as my personal phone. That way, I can have the best of both worlds! :D
[General Topics] CWKJ:
Heard is Samsung (CPU), CSR (BT), Marvell (Wifi), Infineon (GSM) & Broadcom (Screen).
[General Topics] CWKJ:
Wow, not even Second Party Software . . . LOL ! ! ! . . .

And we are using Third Party Software . . . LOL ! ! ! . . .
[General Topics] st3v3:
bah, typical Apple!!!

ive always said apple products are for hippies, artists and teachers. (usually involving knee high socks while driving volvos)

(waits to be roasted) :D
[General Topics] hanmin:
Interesting

Cisco to sue Apple on iPhone name

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/6250511.stm

change it to applePhone? :D
[General Topics] KTamas:
What is your problem with Volvos?
[General Topics] st3v3:
you mean ivolvos ?
[General Topics] captainsensible2002:
Usual Apple style over substance...
[General Topics] Alcibiade:
I think many of you misunderstand the market Apple is targetting. People on this forum are Geeks (I include myself in this group by the way... Just in case someone feels offended)

Do you think the average Joe hacks his phone ? Of course not. Do you think the average Joe will ever think about installing 3rd party softwares. For sure not. Millions of people buying "cool phones" do not even own a PC... For many of them their brand new phone is even the first "digital camera" they ever bought !

This phone is an interesting, "no effort" convergence of iPod and phone. Without much thinking or knowledge anybody will be able to listen to his MP3 or watch videos. And this on the device he carries everyday, his phone. And everything is ready. No need to think to install complicated things, or do any kind of black magic (Open a Cab...) to have it do useful tasks

And... on top of that... it looks GREAT

This market is much bigger than the one consisting of a few geeks :)

So it's much more profitable... The iPhone will probably sell much better than most of the PPC phones we see on the market right now...

That said, personnaly I hope the iPhone will boost competition between phone makers, give them good ideas, push them to more innovation. And finally push them to also have better looking products...

I bought my Hermes 10 days ago... And I do hope to see a Windows phone with a HVGA screen, or better if possible. And slightly larger. And 8Gb memory (Yes I dont wanna carry an MP3 player + my phone. And sorry but microSD cards only allow 2Gb... Too small for me...). And GPS. And slimmer. Better design. With a better camera (In japan some Sharp phones have 5mega pixel cameras). And a more powerful processor to play games. And a better graphic interface

Etc...

This will happen. And the iPhone is part of the evolution

Will I buy one ? I dont think so. It will be out in July 07 in the US, Q4 in Europe and 2008 in Japan (where I currently live). BY that time... I am pretty sure there will be better products around (Let's be honest it will be out in 6 months without even having 3G ! Nearly be a joke !)

Now, other phone makers, watch the iPhone, learn and improve !
[General Topics] Rudegar:
agreed but imho then all the non "geeks"

cant for the life of them understand how i can live with such a big brick

phone

and even if iphone is thin itøs still kinda big

not sure if the public who pref their phone fitting in their nose will stand for it ;)
[General Topics] levenum:
Yep, Alcibiade is right. The market for 'dumb' phones is 1000s of times bigger the for PDA / Smartphone platforms though a lot of non-geeks today want the mail+calender etc on the go. (Hence the success of Blackberry)

Any way, I think large part of this thread is disappointment (I know I am feeling it).

From the first pics it looked like a great new toy, finally an alternative to both fat MS and somewhat ineducable palms. But now this is clear that its just another phone, though fancy looking.

Question is, with 600$ price tag (which I think is a bit expansive for this kind of device) will it really be a hit?
[General Topics] CWKJ:
iMobile

iCell

iFon

iTel

iApple
[General Topics] bigshape:
iwhogivesa**** ? :D
[General Topics] Lucas0511:
Touchscreen is made in Germany by Balda http://www.balda.de/index_en.shtml
[General Topics] CWKJ:
- top = cLauncher, Do you mean the top 12 icons?

- bottom = phoneAlarm, Do you mean the bottom 4 icons?

By the way, how do you change the icons of cLauncher?
[General Topics] levenum:
iSophagus?

(no this is not SPAM, I just didn't bother to find the actual comic)
[General Topics] decknologist:
Slightly off-topic

Highlight your application within cLaunch and then select 'edit'

Tap 'Change icon'

Tap the ... and select the location of your icons - as it states you can use .exe., .dll, .cpl and.bmp

I use a lot of 32x32 bitmaps and also the Sksmgr_icons.dll (You will need to serch for this) as well.

You can find 32x32 icons on google image search and then convert them to bitmaps.
[General Topics] cyberdrakula:
@DEKNO

Can point me to where I can get some info on this?

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=289516
[General Topics] CWKJ:
Ok, Thanks.

So what I am missing now is to create a black background jpg myself. :D
[General Topics] exemike:
its being sued for using some companies name

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/6250511.stm

but something will be worked out hopefully
[General Topics] Menneisyys:
Congrats! I've just cross-posted an article on most PPC board on your stuff!
[General Topics] decknologist:
A few days ago everyone wanted their devices to mimic crossbow and today it's the iPhone!

Has anyone made a Photon mock-up yet? LOL
[General Topics] markgamber:
I think it would be nice to see Jobs exercise his middle finger a bit on this one. There isn't much I dislike more than Cisco. Maybe Oracle. And HP. Maybe.

Edit: Definately Oracle. Ellison sucks harder than paris hilton on a second date.
[General Topics] cyberdrakula:
The Black Theme

Can you upload the BLACK Theme? The Black one I have has Grey Bars :(.
[General Topics] TheHawks:
I wonder how hard would it be to port the OSX Os from the Iphone to a device like the Herems or another the iPhone processor which i think it would be a ARM processor if anyone has more info post
[General Topics] markgamber:
Could be easy, could be hard, could impossible, who knows. Until they release some real specs, it's anyone's guess.

As an aside, I think I've read three "iPhone vs WM phone" comparisons so far today. So....what are they comparing, a phone you can go to the store and buy right now against a flash animation of what they want you to think it is on apple.com? Yep, that's the way I read it. That means the hype has now reached the asinine stage and I don't care until there are some REAL facts about it in June. :D
[General Topics] hanmin:
I've moved theming issues to the related thread here.
[General Topics] markgamber:
From MSNBC:

“You don’t want your phone to be an open platform,” meaning that anyone can write applications for it and potentially gum up the provider's network, says Jobs. “You need it to work when you need it to work. Cingular doesn’t want to see their West Coast network go down because some application messed up.”

If Apple wants to make it a pain in the ass to play ball, screw 'em. Kind of a shame seeing that kind of thing from Jobs.
[General Topics] paulrockliffe:
Just a thought - If it's flat on the table, how will it know whether it should be in landscape or portrait??
[General Topics] _Nomad_:
hehe... I've been having the exact thoughts myself... I hope apple came up with something extra on this one. I just can't image what it could be...
[General Topics] _Nomad_:
a little more info, from someone who's actually gotten to play with it

http://bits.blogs.nytimes.com/2007/01/09/some-hands-on-time-with-the-iphone/
[General Topics] st3v3:
Note my new signature....

also note this from crave

http://crave.cnet.com/8301-1_105-9677208-1.html?part=rss&tag=feed&subj=Crave
[General Topics] markgamber:
Thanks to your sig, I ended up buying a Timex Sinclair 1000 off ebay. Yes, I'm serious. :D
[General Topics] daemonk:
here is a video demonstration of some of the features:

http://www.techeblog.com/index.php/tech-gadget/video-iphone-demonstration

The interface looks amazing. No lag and smooth animations.
[General Topics] CWKJ:
Balda hardware or Software?

I read somewhere on the Web mentioning Broadcom, sounds strange, I thought they are strong in Bluetooth.

Maybe they do the software, not sure?
[General Topics] CWKJ:
Here is my PPC-iPhone, courtesy Hanmin for the icons and Corleno for the Vista Black Wisbar.

<Saw the letter sent to Modaco on their website & others>
[General Topics] Lucas0511:
Balda says nothing about the iPhone, but we know they are a Apple strategic partner for this, and supply the screens. The OSX mobile soft is addressing the screens chip, maybe that soft could originate from Broadcom, don´t know. Time will tell...
[General Topics] rddt:
phoneAlarm - Not very practical meaning you don't get real numbers neatly integrated into the images?

BTW where can I get cLauncher and phoneAlarm? Can I get them for free?
[General Topics] hanmin:
You get phoneAlarm to display stuff, but usually people use phone alarm for many other things, rather than just miss call, mail and sms (eg they usually have things like WiFi, bluetooth, etc).

Search for cLauncher (or is it cLaunch), it is freeware. phoneAlarm is not free. I tried to think of assemble the entire thing up with freeware (if not, probably I will have WAD skin rather than cLaunch), but I'm not able to think of much. V just got me the idea for ToggleToday, which works great, and I'm considering rlToday (freeware). I may need others to do the WA2 skin for the top section (look at iPhone screen shot). Will try to do it this weekend. Have to work.

Anyway, better direct theming questions to the theming thread here
[General Topics] Rudegar:
http://www.google.dk/search?hl=da&q=cLauncher&btnG=Google-søgning&meta=lr=lang_da|lang_en

http://www.google.dk/search?hl=da&q=phoneAlarm&btnG=Google-søgning&meta=lr=lang_da|lang_en
[General Topics] CWKJ:
cLaunch is the software that I use to make my today screen. It is a quite small today screen plugin which is only a small DLL file & some Registrys. But the 32x32 slows down things a bit, the 16x16 speed wise is ok.

cLaunch is a freeware, well at least the website I downloaded says so. Google and you will find.

Phone Alarm is a software that does many things and one of the feature is DISPLAY which Hanmin use to make the bottom part of the today screen.

Phone Alarm is not free.
[General Topics] decknologist:
Check my post here http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?p=1099122#post1099122 for information on cLaunch and a brief user guide.
[General Topics] downloa:
Great thanks~~
[General Topics] daniel.eriksson:
video

dont know if this one was in the post already. Pretty nifty zooming of the pictures:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YgW7or1TuFk
[General Topics] ZeBoxx:
third party software

just to note.. it does appear as Jobs is saying that they would like to certify third party products before 'allowing' them on the phone. Hackers probably getting around that (if required at all) aside, this is - in a way - a good thing.

Just check these forums for the many, -many-, complaints about third party software, including commercial software, that locks up, kills the phone, turns the phone into a brick or sometimes even completely destroys a part of the software.

Let's not forget that a lot of stuff from Apple -is- as polished as it is because they hold the reigns quite tightly.

Although it will suck for 'the little guy' who just wants a fun tool to be distributed, it will keep the thing a lot more stable. Those would still want to play with those tools could wait for it to be hacked - if required.

Lastly - it does run Safari, it might run a Flash player.. there could be plenty possible within that framework for typical use.

On the other hand, rumors abound about not having 3G because that might make VOIP possible and kill a chunk of Cingular's revenue stream - but at the same time alleged 'apple insiders' saying that the phone could be upgraded to 3G by way of software (e.g. the hardware is there, it's just not being used).

Fun stuff. If nothing else, though, it might make the Microsoft partners scratch their heads and improve their devices and (bundled) software.
[General Topics] meschle:
Hi Zeboxx! great to see you back - how are you doing, me, vijay and others have missed your knowledge and expertise. Hope you stick around

- take care.
[General Topics] markgamber:
Heh....well, these forums are also proof that 99 times out of 100 it's not a fault of the software. Besides, the issue, according to Jobs, was faulty software clogging up the network. I never even heard of that being a problem before unless he means the Slingplayer, which isn't faulty. I don't subscribe to that "Apple is better because they're not Microsoft" bull****. There are things about OS X that drive me nuts as much as Windows XP ever has. I can't imagine this phone will be any different so some options and alternatives would be nice, and more is better.

So again, we'll see in June. Probably later, actually, as I don't really have much interest in anything before rev 3 or so. But it sounded to me like Jobs is trying to aim at Joe User who doesn't know or care about the stuff that we care about while pushing a price that all but demands business users who probably won't stand for "my way or the highway" given the alternatives. Someone at Apple better pull it together before June or it'll be dead before it hits the ground.
[General Topics] GreatSouljah:
how do i install this?
[General Topics] dalspartan:
The iPhone is really no big deal, except the new touch screen technology. Sure looks "cool", but "coolness" always wears off with the next new gadget, doesn't it?
[General Topics] starlety:
Hi hanmin,

You are getting popular now in windows mobile world. now you are even featured in the gadgets website http://www.coolgadgetszone.com/2007/01/13/software/windows-mobile-ui-looks-similar-to-iphone-ui/
[General Topics] CWKJ:
@Hanmin

Have copied the Black, Stocks, Maps & Weather. :D

Black is to fill the gap. :D

But I do not have Stock, Map or Weather Software, so the 4 icons on my phone is all dummys.

The rest has links.

This is so fun !!!

Was wondering how to go to MMS in the real iPhone? (Mail?)

<Saw the letter to Modaco on their website & others>
[General Topics] paulobrien:
MoDaCo contacted by Apple Legal for posting iPhone PPC screenshot and linking to xda-devs:

http://www.paulobrien.net/node/62

:-S

P
[General Topics] surfer:
How do you make it work on a qvga device with clauncher? All I get is one quarter of a picture.
[General Topics] CWKJ:
Saw this Legal note on the Web Page dated 13 January 2007 & before.

Did not see any warning for copying the ICONs from the JPEG say from the website or any other websites is not authorised.

The jpgs are all over in many websites around the world.

Is ICON part of the device?

Any lawyer can advice?

Has anyone seen the contract all this big INCs have with their suppliers/customers, all skew to their advantages, hate all this big INCs lawyers, all are bullies!!! And it sometimes piss off potential customers/suppliers, they are so big until they have forgotton that their existence is because they have customers to serve, they thought without them, nobody can survive and they have forgotten there exists a "close" subtitutes.

Hope they are sued till pants drop for using name that do not belong to them. And need to rename the product to iMSued.
[General Topics] rlith:
My current iphone skin, only about 50% done (XV6700) W/ wisbar advance and desktop

Software Attached

SMS Screen:

Picture Dialer from Treo attached to Palm Threaded SMS

MAPS:

Microsoft Streets Pocket Edition

Weather:

SBSH Pocket Weather, taking up whole screen with Time fade at the top

Stocks: Opera opening to NASDAQ

Camera:

Built in camera software

Calc:

Skinned black stock calc

iPod: pPod

I'm going to redo and upload the Calendar and Clock icons so they can be used for %Date% and clock face within the clock icon, and that leads to a plain screen with just the clock bar... As I get to see more of the iphone gui, I can make changes as needed

Main Screen

SMS Screen
[General Topics] CWKJ:
change in claunch from 16x16 to 32x32
[General Topics] CWKJ:
Great, will this be for free to all of us.

Which file do you run with the "Power" Button?

I think I will be getting the real thing to try when it is available.
[General Topics] ZeBoxx:
Hey meschle,

Just been busy with my day job - need to look around and see what's new and cool for the pocketpc, for sure. But 'fraid that won't be anytime soon.. busy-busy :)

I did look at one interest of mine.. that appointment radar in thumb magic.. shame there hasn't been further development of that.. I really think that could be ideal for people with busy schedules if it'd be expanded upon.

Anyway - back on-topic... nice going, Apple Legal ;) Though I think they might object to the usage of the icons and whatnot more than the general feel... because let's face it.. that 'general feel' has been created by PocketPC users dozens of times. Personally I think we shouldn't try to imitate the 'iPhone' (keep in mind they still don't have the rights to that name.. they're playing a very interesting game with Cisco on that one) in terms of exact graphics, etc. E.g. what's the point of putting an iPod icon on your pocketpc? it's not an iPod, it's not even close to an iPod, don't pretend it is.. it's every bit as lame as people running around with white earbuds on their cheap 32MB mp3 player bought at the supermarket just to make it seem like it's an iPod they're using ;) What people should concentrate on is the software and usability which, sadly, does depend on the hardware a good bit (sorry HTC, but most of your hardware isn't going to do realtime scaling of photos, it seems.. my Wizard won't even display a photo in the pictures viewer in any decent amount of time. Might be software, but it seems doubtful.)

back off-topic.. personally I don't think there's too many years left before a truly pocketable full PC is possible. There's the OQO et al, of course, but battery life stinks and they're slightly too big to be considered pocketable - however, I think the performance of an OQO in the package of a PocketPC is something that will be possible quite soon enough. By that time, we won't be worrying about PocketPC-specific development.. we'll just develop for a full-blown O/S (be that Windows, Linux, BSD, OSX, whatever) with the only restrictions being the human interface part (e.g. input through stylus, multitouch crap, buttons, keyboard, blabla) due to the size constrictions.

So assuming my wizard doesn't die before that time, I don't think I'll be getting a new PocketPC until then. Unless a truly amazing new PocketPC pops up - and the 'iPhone' (back on-topic), without full third party support and already declared by Jobs himself to not be a computer but a fancy phone, just isn't it.

Enough ranting... besides my dayjob, I also have to eat... better get my groceries done :)

Edit: thumbsplus -> thumb magic. I knew I got that wrong
[General Topics] deathMiata:
Interesting turn of events in the whole Cisco v. Apple case in regards to the use of the name "iPhone"...

http://blogs.zdnet.com/Burnette/?p=236
[General Topics] neofix:
BTW: Seen this one http://www.media.engadget.com/2007/01/11/iphone-and-lg-ke850-separated-at-birth/

And sorry if it's already been posted... :P
[General Topics] levenum:
Turns out the iPhone can do a whole lot more than we expected!

Look here.
[General Topics] victoradjei:
Could be a jack of "all trades" syndrome :p
[General Topics] CWKJ:
LOL ! ! ! LOL ! ! !