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[Verizon HTC One (M8)] dante020:
Or maybe, since some customers are entitled to unlimited data, Verizon should keep their infrastructure updated and upgraded to handle the demand rather than blame someone for using a service they're paying for.
[Verizon HTC One (M8)] Roefastford:
I"am talking about the real data hogs the ones that stream videos all day long. With all their customers it would be nearly impossible to be able update that much to where the data hogs dont affect all the others using data, they can only do so much its not like they can just pull those kind of updates out of there arse.

I"am talking realistically that is why verizons data is slower than at&t's because verizons is already congested enough then add on data hogs and everyone else feels the effects of the over users, which its the ones that brag about how much data they use like they are proud of it and try to use as much as they can and have no reguard for anyone but themselves.
[Verizon HTC One (M8)] dante020:
Streaming videos all day long should be an acceptable use of unlimited data. The real problem is people torrenting and tethering and racking up 100+GB/mo. Even then, those people are a vast minority and I doubt they have a realistic effect when looking at the big picture.
[Verizon HTC One (M8)] robocuff:
Well, the problem with that is, from what I've read Verizon has said the top so called 5 percent (of "data hogs") supposedly is those that use 4 GBs and up. I find it hard to believe that 4 gigs makes the top 5 percent. I'm one who still has unlimited data. I use anywhere from 4 GB's to 6 GB's of data a month. Something that isn't hard to do. If I happen to use 5 GB's, or even 10, I'd like to know how my 5 congest the network anymore than somebody who's on a 10 gig plan and uses 5 in that same month does.

To me, it's obvious this was nothing more than a ploy to try to force those that still have unlimited data to get off it. Personally I wouldn't have a problem with it if they'd do the same with everyone. But to just single somebody like me out when the guy who has a 10 gig plan uses more than I do is, well, like I said, it's obvious what it is.

It seems to me if they want to get rid of the unlimited data users they should just eliminate the plan. Can't quite figure out why they don't do that. Nobody who has unlimited has a contract with them anymore so I can't see any legal type reason. Perhaps there are more of us left out there than I think and they are worried that it would cause too many customers to jump and run. So, instead, try to squeeze them out slowly and eventually when there isn't enough of them left to worry about, eliminate the plan all together.

Can anybody tell me how my 4-6 GBs a month congests the network anymore than the guy who has a 10 GB plan and uses the same does? I didn't think so. ;)
[Verizon HTC One (M8)] Roefastford:
I think they should be cut to at least half speed when they go over 5 gb's that is fairly reasonable. I think they slow things down more than people realize, you have to take in to account how congested a lot of towers can be in populated areas and they are infringing upon the rights of others, Why should they be able to slow everyone else down ?
[Verizon HTC One (M8)] dante020:
I think you're missing the point - if you're sold an "unlimited" service it should be unlimited. It's fully Verizon's responsibility to provide the infrastructure that can support the service they sold. If they can't support said service then they shouldn't have it as an option.
[Verizon HTC One (M8)] Roefastford:
I"am not talking about total data per say I"am talking about data hogs that slow down others in populated areas, if the data speed is there then I think it shouldn't matter but when they are infringing upon the rights of others by slowing them down because they are being a " Data Hog " then they should be cut to half speed.

I"am not saying cut them to 3g speed but cut them to half the lte speed if they are affecting the use of others speed wise.
[Verizon HTC One (M8)] dante020:
There are actually people out there with unlimited contracts. In fact, I renewed my contract several months ago and kept my unlimited data. There are still ways around it.

The only fair solution here is to throttle everyone equally. As stated by robocuff, throttling unlimited plans is just a ploy to get people to move over to metered plans.
[Verizon HTC One (M8)] Roefastford:
Cellular providers have a different definition of unlimited, most providers have a 2 to 3 gb limit even on unlimited plans. I think sprint capped theirs at 5 gb's at some point not sure anymore. They have to limit or you have people using their cell data plan for their home internet and use 100 gb's or more tethering to computers.

I"am not talking about saving them money what I"am talking about is how these abusers affect the other data users why should the normal user be affected by these data hogs, how is that fair to the average user ?

They should be slowed to 1/2 lte speed if they are affecting others as they have no right to abuse and affect everyone else.

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If they hog the data then they should be slowed down, that would not be fair to the average user. Why should data hogs be allowed to put their needs over everyone else ?
[Verizon HTC One (M8)] dante020:
The solution is for Verzon to upgrade their infrastructure or stop offering unlimited plans. Aside from that, I think we should agree to disagree since this is going in circles.
[Verizon HTC One (M8)] Roefastford:
It all boils down to fairness abusers should not be able to affect the use of others.
[Verizon HTC One (M8)] robocuff:
I understand that but the problem with it is Verizon isn't talking about just those that you're talking about. They're including those that may use less data than somebody on a tiered plan. I fail to see how that can be optimizing anything when they allow others to use more and not throttle them too.
[Verizon HTC One (M8)] Roefastford:
Yeah maybe they should just throttle anyone to half lte speed after they use so much data in one day, such as limit each one line to a data limit of 1 gb then over 1 gb in a day and lte speeds go to 1/2 speed of the others that used less than 1 gb.

That would be extremely reasonable and fair and would slow down the hogs using 100 gb's and such so even on unlimited they could still get up to 30 gb's in a 30 day period all at full speed and anything over the 1 gb per day goes to 1/2 the lte speed of others.
[Verizon HTC One (M8)] dante020:
One more response and then I'm done. Data isn't a limited resource, although bandwidth sometimes is. Consider the case where someone with an unlimited plan uses 5GB of data on an uncongested tower and affects nobody. Then, they move to a different and congested tower. Is it fair that, according to you, they should be throttled simply because they have "unlimited" data and already used their allowance of unthrottled data? Keep in mind that Verizon has no problem letting a limited plan run as fast as possible. In fact, if a limited plan passes its limit, service isn't interrupted - the account is charged and data keeps on flowing. It is beneficial for Verizon to keep all limited plans running at full speed so that they can maximize revenue.

Bottom line is, this is just a money-making ploy. You can still be a "data hog" with a limited plan so long as you keep your wallet open so your argument of "fairness" isn't valid.
[Verizon HTC One (M8)] Roefastford:
They should just throttle anyone to half lte speed after they use so much data in one day, such as limit each one line to a data limit of 1 gb then over 1 gb in a day and lte speeds go to 1/2 speed of the others that used less than 1 gb.

That would be extremely reasonable and fair and would slow down the hogs using 100 gb's and such so even on unlimited they could still get up to 30 gb's in a 30 day period all at full speed and anything over the 1 gb per day goes to 1/2 the lte speed of others.
[Verizon HTC One (M8)] Div033:
This right here. The only instance where 4.6 gigs is the "top 5 percent" is when you factor in ALL data plans, including the cheap ones. I'll bet you any money that's how they arrived at that number.

It should've been the top 5 percent of unlimited data users only.
[Verizon HTC One (M8)] robocuff:
My thoughts exactly. I'd be willing to bet they're including those who aren't using smart phones. So called dumb phones. They use data too.
[Verizon HTC One (M8)] blestsol:
Someone's in here talking out his bum lol. But glad they decided to save face.

Sent from my HTCM8
[Verizon HTC One (M8)] kookahdoo:
Don't hate on the unlimited data.
[Verizon HTC One (M8)] Roefastford:
Everyone is entitled to there own opinion but no one is entitled to abuse the use of a product to where it has a negative effect on others. Some were talking out of there arse and face or no face no one has the right to be an abuser and make everyone be affected so they can data hog.
[Verizon HTC One (M8)] The Stig 04:
Does anyone know how much Verizon's top three data plans cost?
[Verizon HTC One (M8)] kc6wke:
Price is just data
[Verizon HTC One (M8)] Freedom First:
Who are you to say what "abuse of a product" is, and can you really specifically identify any "negative effect(s) on others"?

You're the one talking out your arse. Those of us who have unlimited data, who were grandfathered in after having those plans for years, are entitled to exactly what we were sold: UNLIMITED data. NO restrictions. You DON'T change the rules in the middle of the ballgame, and call it the same game. I paid for (and continue to pay for) UNLIMITED data. If it's limited or throttled, then I'm not getting what I paid for, right?? Wouldn't that constitute false advertising, or perhaps breach of contract??

Sucks to be you if you didn't have unlimited data, and/or you made a change that caused you to lose it (subsidized equipment isn't a good enough reason to give up the unlimited data plan). Your posts on this subject sound like so much butt-hurt... :crying:
[Verizon HTC One (M8)] Roefastford:
WHO am I ???? I"am a paid user that should not be screwed over by someone that thinks its his right to abuse and has no disreguard for anyone but himself, that is WHO I am

Your talking out of your arse you or any other dta hog has the right to slow everyone else down because you want to try to use as much data as you can not caring how it affects everyone else. What gives you the right to screw everyone else over that is using the same tower ? Answer is you dont have the right to abuse the service and everyone else...

There is a difference between being a user and an abuser if your using gigabits a day of data then your an abuser and actually verizon should then throttle you to 1/2 the lte speed of others why should you be able to affect everyone else answer is you shouldnt be able to.

I dont need unlimited data that is what wifi and home internet are for, are you one of the ones that are too cheap to pay for home internet so you abuse cell data to get away with it and in the process cheat everyone on your tower out of data speed they are using because you want to be a " DATA HOG "

Your posts on this sound like you care about no one but yourself and you love being nothing but an abuser and you could care less if you slow everyone elses data speeds, you care about no one but YOURSELF...
[Verizon HTC One (M8)] kc6wke:
You guys need to chill
[Verizon HTC One (M8)] Freedom First:
Again, please demonstrate how you're being "screwed over by someone else", that someone else simply availing themselves of what Verizon has offered, and they've paid for?

Verizon says that the "excessive" data users are less than 5%, and therefore they have decided there's no need to throttle them, because they deem their infrastructure capable of handling the amount of projected traffic.

If you go to a restaurant where there's both a menu and an all-you-can-eat buffet, do you scream at the people in the buffet line that they're eating up your food and not being fair to you and everyone else? Didn't think so.

You showed your hand when you started ranting about "fairness" and socialistic ideas like bringing the unlimited plan owners in line with "everyone else". For whatever reason, you're butthurt because you don't have unlimited data, and you're for damn sure wanting to bring everyone down to your own level. Not because you've suffered at all from unlimited data users (or, abusers, as you want to call them to justify your own ideas on the subject), but because it's faiiiirrrrrr.

What's fair is, I paid for unlimited data, which means I get to use as much as I want without paying more, or penalty. You paid for whatever tiered plan you're on, and you're limited to what you agreed to and can afford to pay for. Verizon has seen fit to leave unlimited plans in place, as they're not having the impact that people like you seem to have a hard-on about.

That's FAIRNESS.
[Verizon HTC One (M8)] deefster:
I don't have an unlimited plan, but FWIW I think those that have it and use it are well within their right. It is Verizon's responsibility to maintain their network to ensure there is no congestion. It's not the user's job to throttle themselves because of some perception they are using too much data, which is a vague and undefined threshold to begin with.
[Verizon HTC One (M8)] The Stig 04:
Verizon is the one trying to abuse, not us unlimited users.

Verizon is trying to tell me that because I use 60gbs a month and $30 a month I'm clogging up the network and ruining everyone's experience, BUT if I pay $225 its completely ok and not ruining anyone's experience.....it's bull crap. We saw it, and thankfully the FCC saw it as it was.

Roefastford sorry but you just sound angry and jealous of the people who have unlimited unthrottled data. Why are you so worried about the network being clogged up anyway, don't you have WiFi and home internet?? ???

Edit:

Also as unlimited data user that uses 50-60gb's a month easy you can imagine I'm very rarely ever on WiFi, and with "so many of us clogging up the network" my data experience is pretty damn good so good in fact that I use 50-60gb's. So idk what you're crying about man.
[Verizon HTC One (M8)] Roefastford:
I"am talking about users that use like 100 gb's a month and like that ones that use it for there home internet on their computer, the ones that brag to their friends about how much data they use I think verizon should end the contract of these people because they are all off contract and they are making the verizon data the slowest of all carriers which that should not be because verizon has the most coverage of any carrier so you do the math that is why verizons speeds are slow because of abusers like that.

Exact scenario you go in to an all you can eat buffet and there are people in line and some jackass in front of the line takes 25 pieces of chicken because he wants to be a hog and he leaves 3 or 4 pieces for all the other people in line its just that philosophy because these " DATA HOG USERS " they care about no one but themselves and have no respect for anyone. They dont care how they affect everyone else that is what it all boils down to...

Your hard on you seem to have is how you think they have the right to say screw everyone else and take all they can take and they flip their middle finger to anyone else because they dont care about anything but being a user so you keep using that for your " HARD ON " as you put it...

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The Stig 04 why would I be jealous of you lol ? I never even use 2 gigs of data a month that is a joke lol. I only speak for the many people that the abusers affect.

As I listed before I think if you use more than on e gig a day that your speed should be cut not to 3g but to 1/2 the Lte speed of the others that are not over loading the network, and why not, what gives you the right to affect everyone else ???? Or are you one of those people that say screw everyone else I dont give a flying f about them...

I care because there are a lot of people like me many many many many more like me way more that there are " DATA HOGS " but these people do not have the right to abuse at the cost of the others, these " DATA HOGS " are putting their abusive needs above the needs of the many, maybe that might work in a communist country but this is the United States of America, I dont know if these " DATA HOGS " have forgotten that but it sure seems like they have because they dont care about how they affect others...
[Verizon HTC One (M8)] Freedom First:
Your analogy is flawed. Mine was the correct one. YOU are not in the buffet line, because you ordered from the menu, and get a limited portion (you're on a tiered plan). How does that guy in the all-you-can-eat line (let's call it the UNLIMITED line) eating 25 pieces of chicken affect YOU, who sits at a table with your one plate of food (2 gig plan)??

You don't understand communism. You want to bring everybody down to the same level, out of nothing more than sheer jealousy, or a perverted sense of "fairness". Fairness is people getting what they paid for. Do you get your 2 gigs of data a month? Then why are you *****ing about people who have UNLIMITED data, and use 60 gigs a month? Are you not getting what you agreed to?

I'm just sitting here scratching my head, wondering what the the hell you're all fired up about??
[Verizon HTC One (M8)] Roefastford:
Your analogy was the one flawed yours was that someone should be able to " DATA HOG " all they want and use as much as they can so they can brag about it to their friends, when the whole time they hurt other subscribers, your philosophy is why care about anyone else as long as your not the one affected right ?

If you take all the chicken from the buffet then others have to go without until they supply more what part of that dont you get, do you not understand their system can only support so much then you abuse it and screw everyone else. How would you like to be in line behind some " hog " that takes all the 20 some pieces of chicken leaving you nothing that is the point.

Just because you can be a " HOG " does not mean you should or that you have the right to screw over others...

No myself and others using 2 gigs are not getting what we paid for when " DATA HOGS " hog all the data and slow our data speeds down. If the " DATA HOGS " were not screwing the rest of us over then it would be different, but the " DATA HOGS " are not screwing verizon over they are screwing over the other subscribers that are not " DATA HOGS "

That is exactly your thoughts your not supposed to care screw everyone else right ? As long as you get yours right ?

I understand completely what these abusers are, they are abusers and the ones that pay the price are not verizon, its the others that are verizon subscribers..
[Verizon HTC One (M8)] Freedom First:
All I read was WHHHAAAAAA.

You STILL haven't demonstrated how your "data hogs" have affected you, or prevented you from getting what you agreed to. Care to step up, or are we just gonna see more of your baseless rantings about bogeymen??

If Verizon has offered me an UNLIMITED data plan, then how am I being an "abuser" if I use even 100GB a month? What part of UNLIMITED don't you understand? How can UNLIMITED be "abused"??

Another analogy for you: If a freeway has no posted speed limit, and I bought a McLaren F1 which can do 200+ and you bought a Yugo which can do 20+ (downhill, with a tailwind), how does my being able to leave you in my rear-view mirror affect you? Jelly much??

You're not providing any support for your rant, and you're just coming across as whiny and envious. I suggest you just let it rest, and trust that Verizon knows what they're doing. If you don't, then there's always other providers you might find more "fair".
[Verizon HTC One (M8)] robocuff:
First of all, on a hunch (just because of how he conducts himself :) ) I had a look at Freedom First's profile. I suggest you do the same. Something there tells me he probably doesn't do a whole lot of "bragging to his friends". At least not about how much data he uses. :)

Second, you seem to think that only unlimited users affect the speed of the network. You seem to think that somebody who has a two gig plan doesn't slow the network a bit when he or she uses it when in reality, if the network is indeed congested, the person who has a tiered plan contributes to the congestion when he's using the network, just as much as the guy who uses 60 GB's of data does when he or she uses the network. By your logic, one could argue the people on tiered plans cause more congestion than those who have unlimited data do. You yourself said there's way more of you than there is of us unlimited people. I could complain and say if only it weren't for all those tiered plan users........

Therein lies the real problem (if indeed there is a problem). It's not because of you using your 2 GB's of data and it's not because of Freedom First using his 60 GB's. It's because there's too many people using the same resources at once. Meaning, (again, assuming there is congestion like they say) Verizon doesn't have the necessary hardware, bandwidth or what have you that's needed to support the number of subscribers they have. If you're going to be upset with anybody, it should be with them. They are the ones that keep signing up more and more people that will use the same networks you, I and everybody else uses. Adding more to the problem. Bandwidth is a limited item and when you keep piling more and more users on that will use the same bandwidth as everyone else, without upgrading the system, well, I think you can understand what happens. ;)
[Verizon HTC One (M8)] The Stig 04:
At the end of the day Roefast all you have to ask yourself is these two simple question's that both have the same answer.

1. Why did the FCC step in when Verizon announced their plans to try and throttle?

2. Why is Verizon not following through with it?

Answer: BECAUSE THERE IS NO PROBLEM WITH THE NETWORK BEING CLOGGED UP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

If Verizon is so worried about the network being slowed down they shouldn't offer data plans bigger than 4.7 gigs but they do as you saw in the picture a few post back. Like I said before, Verizon cannot justify throttling me because I use 60 gb's at $30 a month then turn around and try and sell me a capped 60 gb plan for $225 and tell me I never have to worry about being throttled. Since you're so much about fairness, tell me if that's fair and how that wouldn't be clogging up the network because if I have to pay $225 you better believe your sweet ass I'm going to use all 60 gb's.
[Verizon HTC One (M8)] Corvus_:
You guys should save your well-reasoned arguments, he's never going to "get it."
[Verizon HTC One (M8)] jbeitel:
Finally a reasonable response. Nicely put. Don't keep selling contracts if you can't support what you have already committed to.
[Verizon HTC One (M8)] Kane5581:
You guys didn't read the OP correctly. Verizon is NOT throttling, therefore nothing to argue about. That said "data hogs" do not cause network congestion, too many people using data at once does, doesn't matter if they use 100gb a month or half a gig, its still one connection at a time. Therefore congestion is Verizon not upgrading to handle the number of people in the area.
[Verizon HTC One (M8)] Freedom First:
We're well aware of that (we read it correctly). It's just that certain individuals are convinced they're getting screwed because of "data hogs", and are unhappy with Verizon's decision not to throttle.

And that's when the fight began... ;)
[Moto G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] LPtecnocel:
Multirom error in second rom booting

An error occured

shutting down MultiROM to avoid data corruption.

Report this error to the developer!

Debug info: /sdcard/multirom_log.txt

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[Moto G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] abhi0502:
Which kernel u r using?
[Moto G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] LPtecnocel:
CM11 - 3.4.103-XPerience . is the kernel that use
[Moto G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] abhi0502:
Aosp xperience kernel don't have multirom patch so try Phantom kernel