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[Moto 360] jedijoe84:
There's just something about electronics and water that has always frightened me.
[Moto 360] tusing:
I strongly disagree. Companies should not have to pay for the lack of common sense on the users' part.
[Moto 360] v3ngence:
If the device can be independently tested and passes the IP67 requirements, then from the companies point of view any water damage is caused by improper use... If you think the device doesn't actually pass the test requirements, I guess complain to the company that did the testing?

The problem is the test requirements are only three feet of water for 30min, and no swishing or moving water. Take it into the shower and those jets of water will get in somewhere... but that's not what it's rated for. Same thing with washing your hands, moving water creates pressure which can get in... (but mine has survived an accidental washing or two seemingly unscathed)
[Moto 360] opasha:
Again...you can shower with it. Pebble, LG G Watch, and Moto 360...every day I've showered with each....all work without issue. Pebble I've had for almost 1.5 years, LG G Watch I tested for 2 straight weeks before returning, and my Moto360 I've had for almost 4 weeks now.

Believe it or not, that's up to you. I'm happy with mine and so far zero issues. Also, if you want faster charging...do yourself a favor and get a stronger charger because the one that comes with the Moto 360 is crap.
[Moto 360] robber:
Leather does not belong in water. My concern would be just as much for the band.
[Moto 360] v3ngence:
That's awesome that you're testing it so thoroughly, but as others have said a replacement might not be easy to get if it breaks...
[Moto 360] knoxploration:
Where did I say they should have to pay for lack of common sense? They can easily install sensors to detect if you went deeper than the product allows. Why, if a product is advertised as safe to 30 meters, should the consumer have to pay because it failed at one meter?

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A) my understanding is that it typically isn't tested independently, but by the manufacturer.

B) I review consumer products for a living. (I won't say which because I don't want to be deluged in questions here.) We have tested certain underwater products and had them fail when used to manufacturer requirements at depths nowhere near those to which they were rated.

We have also seen products which claim to be weather-sealed / weather -resistant in the marketing materials, but when taken apart (not by us, but by a trusted friend who purchased their own products at retail, is experienced at repair of the type of product in question, and who choose to dismantle the gear to correct a poor calibration by the factory) did not contain any weather sealing whatsoever.

That, IMHO, is just wrong.
[Moto 360] zAlbee:
If damage results from water (which again, hasn't happened yet), then this is false advertising which the company should pay for, and NOT the fault of the user.

This is what is not clear to me. Higher IP ratings are better than lower ones I would think. And the "7" in IP 67 is the second highest rating for water ingress. "5" and "6" are for resistance to "water jets" and "powerful water jets"/"heavy seas" respectively. However the test for "7" is different; it is as you said, immersion under water up to 1 m for 30 minutes. Does that means it also covers (or is better than) the "water jets" test? I'm not sure, but I'd hope so.

By the way, if your watch dies from simply washing your hands, I would *definitely* complain. If it can't survive that, then what is it supposed to survive? Raindrops? My unrated phone can survive that. :P
[Moto 360] v3ngence:
I agree it's a bit odd, but there is no mention that higher numbers include the protection of all lower numbers, just a specific test for each number...

I just know that the sticker covering the usb connector is only going to survive a limited number of washings, and when it comes off I think it would flood the watch. It might last a long time, but I think keeping it clean and dry-ish will prolong it :good:
[Moto 360] vanessaem:
Thread closed and cleaned.

Sorry OP but this conversation is going absolutely nowhere. It seems that people can't have a discussion like this without insulting one another.

Also certain people in here have a lack of respect for the rules and can't seem to post without using profanity or other objectionable language.

For everyone's convenience, I've copied and pasted the following:
[Galaxy S III Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] saiganesh727:
Hi,

I am new to XDA.i recently installed the revolutionary s5 v3 rom on my i9300.After installing nova launcher,i get a black bar on the left side of the screen(i.e. no wallpaper,blank screen) like the one shown below.Any solutions if possible?
[Galaxy S III Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] hector dale:
Have you checked the wallpaper setting. It looks like you have sliding wallpaper set by default. Hope this helps
[Galaxy S III Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] saiganesh727:
It worked.

Thanks.It solved the problem,even though now wallpaper does not scroll.No problem with that.
[HTC One Mini] pure.by:
I always wanted to know, why would one want to use a screen protector? Seriously, it is practically impossible to scratch any modern phone's screen by accident without use of special tools and excessive force.

The best screen protector is the material manufacturer used for the screen during production.
[HTC One Mini] jollywhitefoot:
haha. my thoughts exactly. Some people like to kick it old school, though.

Best screen protector? Gorilla Glass 3
[HTC One Mini] PuffDaddy_d:
Gorilla Glass uses great marketing, but their screens are far from scratch proof. These screens get scratched all the time - especially when placed face down on a rough surface or in a purse with keys. But the screen protectors offer an added layer of protection against shattering if the phone is dropped. Considering that it adds a nearly invisible layer of protection for about $15, it's kind of a no-brainer.

As for which is the best? I have no idea. Just avoid the cheap ones that come in 3-packs. They are nothing more than clear plastic that gets scratched and must be thrown away. Get something with self healing properties or tempered glass. But I've never understood why that's so popular these days. Covering scratch resistant glass with scratch resistant glass doesn't seem like a solution. :confused:
[Windows 8 General] Originalas:
9.7 iPad Air like tablet (8.3 mm thick and weighs just 495 grams), runs Windows 8.1 and costs just a bit over two hundred bucks!

Onda V975W - Mod Edit: please do not post commercial links onto xda. Thanks!

CPU	Intel Z3735D Quad Core

GPU	Intel HD Graphics

System	Windows 8.1

RAM	2GB

Capacity	32GB

Screen	9.7 inch IPS Retina Capacitive Touch Screen

Resolution	2048x1536

The best part, it runs Windows 8.1!

Perfect for web browsing and mobile apps, but at the same time it can run desktop stuff like an older Call of Duty game for example! You can mod games, run servers and use all the good Windows PC stuff!

Goodbye Android tablets? :)

Few screens and I will add more info after further testing.

Onda V975W Video review

[YOUTUBE]Bf25p3ehgl4[/YOUTUBE]

How to change Onda V975W Windows language to English video guide.

[YOUTUBE]v4gbBAcgmpQ[/YOUTUBE]

DuOS Android 4.4 Kitkat emulator on Onda V975W tablet

DuOS Android 4.4 XDA thread

[YOUTUBE]7R73GQ8r1hQ[/YOUTUBE]

Windows 10 Preview (XDA thread)

[YOUTUBE]hUfG4pCGQT4[/YOUTUBE]
[Windows 8 General] mdwh:
Doesn't seem ipad air like either if it's running a proper OS :) Though it has the same aspect ratio screen.

Nitpick, it won't have a Retina screen, since that's just an Apple trademark (for screens made by someone else). Their screens are actually IPS, so yes this would be the same.
[Windows 8 General] Originalas:
Fixed. :) iPad Air like design tablet, to be precise.

same 9.7 inch IPS screen

same 2 048 x 1 536 resolution

Almost iPad Air like thin and light.

242 mm * 171 mm * 8.3 mm / 495g - Onda V975W

240 mm * 169,5 mm * 7,5 mm / 478 g - iPad Air

And of course the main difference and advantage over iPad Air or any similar Android tablet will be a full Windows 8.1 version.
[Windows 8 General] Originalas:
Actually, Onda is really bold about the Apple iPad AIr part... :D
[Windows 8 General] mkwhater:
really that resolution yeah right.....
[Windows 8 General] Originalas:
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[Windows 8 General] netnoise:
Hey,

would you recommend a purchase for this tablet?

I had a Cube Talk 9x, but I wasn't happy with it. The display was not bright enough and other small issues.

I love the idea to have a full windows to use it on the way and at home on a big screen.

I am very suspicious about the performance with such a high resolution in combination with windows 8.

The Cube Talk 9x have the same resolution and i would say the performance was allright, not very fast but also not slow.
[Windows 8 General] Originalas:
I have Archos 97 that is very similar to Cube 9x. It's slow, even with custom ROM it's still too slow, because of QHD resolution and Android. I think Android is just a crappy OS, and not a lot you can do about that

That was the main reason I have upgraded to Onda V975W and switched to Windows. Desktop, IE browser, even 4k video runs as smooth as on a notebook. V975W is really more similar to a small notebook, than an Android tablet.

Screen brightness is ok, unless you use tablet under direct sunlight.
[Windows 8 General] X-RAY101:
Hey there,

I got the 975W for a while and did a Video on how good it works tethering a Canon DSLR with Lightroom.

Its in german language but anyway ... perhaps someone is interested. :)

youtube [dot] de/EpD-MYZZGKY
[Windows 8 General] tikilou:
Hey, i've sucessfully installed dual boot on the tablet with Grub, Manjaro Linux work !

http://www.ondaforum.com/topic/1674-dual-boot-is-possible-d/
[Windows 8 General] Originalas:
My tablet came with Chinese language by default, so here is a video how to fix that. :)

[YOUTUBE]v4gbBAcgmpQ[/YOUTUBE]
[Windows 8 General] Originalas:
Onda V975W running Ubuntu Linux. :)

Mint Linux
[Windows 8 General] jockyw2001:
Cool.. Is it running in an emulator or are you dual-booting it? Which manual did you follow?
[Windows 8 General] Originalas:
It runs live from a USB stick.

Easy guide http://techcat.ca/index.php?threads...-mint-linux-on-intel-atom-bay-trail-tablet.8/
[Windows 8 General] jockyw2001:
Thank you, I followed the guide but unfortunately it doesn't work on my Voyo A1 mini. I see the boot menu and select Try Ubuntu and then it stays dark. I will try it on my Lenovo Thinkpad 8 later today.
[Windows 8 General] Originalas:
Seems like a video issue, try to force native tablet resolution, highlight try ubuntu and press "e"

Edit there it says "quiet splash", replace "splash" with preferred resolution

video=VGA-1:1280x800e reboot=pci,force

Or try Mint 64bit.
[Windows 8 General] jockyw2001:
Huray thank you! It works with:

video=VGA-1:800x1280e reboot=pci,force

EDIT: it is recommended to change that in X:\boot\grub\grub.cfg otherwise you must type it each time during boot.
[Windows 8 General] perissatto:
Hi there guys.

I am currently looking to buy a new tablet. I am not really sure if i choose Onda V975w or Onda v102w. Seems that the configuration is almost the same.

Could you guys please help me to decide one of them ??

Thanks!
[Windows 8 General] Tonian1878:
V102W = 1920X1200 resolution, 10.1 inch screen

v975w = 2048x1536 resolution, 9,7 inch screen

v102w is roughly 150 grams heavier and is more designed to be used in Landscape with its 16:10 screen

everything else is the same.

Ive got the v975w so i maybe biased but id still go for the v975w just because it has the same dimensions as the ipad air so getting case/covers etc is alot easier. also higher resolution screen and the design itself is abit more prettier.

both solid tablets for the price though.
[Windows 8 General] Originalas:
what are main tasks you will use tablet for?

V975W is like iPad Air with Windows. It's perfect tablet for reading, web browsing, because of very detailed resolution and screen format.

V102W has a wide screen and lower resolution, so it's slightly better for videos. Though I would then check ONDA V891W instead, since it's way cheaper, but exactly same tablet just 9 inch screen format, and that doesn't really matter for videos or games.
[Windows 8 General] perissatto:
Thanks for your reply.

I am currently looking for a tablet to run some old games like CS:GO (i presume that i need to play maybe 1027x768), and use internet. I was thinking to go for V975W because of resolution and size. What you think?

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This really helps also!!! Thanks....

Based on this information i think that V975w is the best solution at the moment, since the IPAD cases will fit and the resolution is great :)
[Windows 8 General] Tonian1878:
usually id recommend a wider screen for games (v102w) but if your running the games at 1024x768 then the v975w would probably look a little better because it will scale better against 2,048 x 1,536 and its 4,3 ratio screen.

Source Engine runs pretty good on these tablets. i got Left 4 dead on mine
[Windows 8 General] perissatto:
Every store that i found charge +- 100U$ to ship it to my country, it is really expensive.......

I Found onda-tablet website, but some persons say that is a scam and other say it is real. Have any of you guys ordered with this store ?

EDIT: Found a seller in a chinese site selling for 200U$ with shipping :) i will try this one. Do you guys recommend any keyboard ? I saw this one and really liked, but not really sure if tablet have this support:

http://www.aliexpress.com/store/pro...02w-10-1-Tablet-Case/1304671_32235186505.html

***I am not affiliate with this store, just asking if someone have any keyboard like this one
[Windows 8 General] Originalas:
I've got my V975W from bangood, they have free wordwide shipping (2-3weeks) and express for $20 (arrived in less than a week :) ).
[Windows 8 General] Tonian1878:
i got my tablet through Onda-Tablet.com so i can safely say its not a scam.

i paid a little extra for Airmail and it arrived within 5 days. UK though

i got this keyboard/cover

http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B00IHQ1WQU?psc=1&redirect=true&ref_=oh_aui_detailpage_o06_s00

its meant for the ipad air but it fits the v975w perfectly and connects through bluetooth

i thought you wanted the v975w. the case you linked is for the v102w. v975w doesnt have a keyboard connection, either micro usb or bluetooth

.
[Windows 8 General] blackman818:
hi, Onda v975w,could i use it with a keyboard ?
[Windows 8 General] Tonian1878:
Google translate is not your friend today.

can you re-word that please as it doesnt make sense
[Windows 8 General] perissatto:
Hi there.

You can use a Bluetooth or USB keyboard dude, the original keyboardo from V101w or V102w cannot be used with this one.
[Windows 8 General] blackman818:
thanks bro,,,,, do you have any idea about that? suggestions??
[Windows 8 General] perissatto:
i am not really sure, i am looking for a good one too hehehehe

Anyone to suggest any idea ??
[Windows 8 General] Originalas:
I have Slim Bluetooth 3.0 Keyboard

Here it's in action.

[YOUTUBE]POVkinhl_9A[/YOUTUBE]
[Windows 8 General] perissatto:
Thanks friend, but now i am really confused if i order this one V975w or Teclast X98 air 2 ( or even the 3g version) .

The only difference that i saw is that Teclast Air 2 have a powerfull processor. (2.16Ghz). But there are some persons with problem on camera drivers.

:confused:
[Windows 8 General] Originalas:
After further testing I can confirm that Onda V975W is the best option right now. The best screen, best battery 10h on one charge, nice build quality. 9.7 inch tablet, but it's very thin ant light, you can forget it's in your backpack.

Teclast has driver and screen issues.

8 and 8.9 inch Onda models are cheaper, because of twice smaller battery.
[Windows 8 General] cyanide911:
What's the best place to buy this tablet???

http://www.onda-tablet.com/onda-v97...9-7-inch-retina-screen-ram-2gb-wifi-32gb.html

Just $179 here, I'm not sure if the website is reliable.

And what's the difference between V1 and V3?
[Windows 8 General] Originalas:
Shipping cost is not included at onda-tablet.com, add shipping and for me it shows $210 in total or $260 with express delivery.

It's only US$194.99 with free delivery at banggood right now, mine came without any import tax too. :)

No real difference between V1 and V3 versions, just slightly different Intel Atom chips, newer doesn't have +4GB RAM support and is cheaper, but tablet comes with 2GB RAM anyway.
[Windows 8 General] Originalas:
Onda V975W video review

[YOUTUBE]Bf25p3ehgl4[/YOUTUBE]
[Windows 8 General] kms108:
Can anyone comment on the storage, is 32gb storage enough, and what is the amount of storage usable.

Thanks.
[Windows 8 General] Originalas:
24,2GB Windows partition, 4,69GB recovery.

In my opinion, plenty for windows and programs, but all videos and games should go to microSD or external storage.

You can add 64GB sd card or even swap multiple cards with different games.
[Windows 8 General] kms108:
Thanks for the quick reply, I'm still considering which one to buy from over 30-40 brands and models which are all available locally.

But I'm really looking for something at 8 inch in size.

update:

The 919 3G air looks promising, dual windows 8.1/android OS with Igoz display.

http://www.onda.cn/topics/9193g2/index.html

http://v.qq.com/boke/page/i/0/o/i014224zl7o.html

thanks
[Windows 8 General] Originalas:
I had a video on 8 inch estar gemini / Onda V819W too. It's twice cheaper and good choice for media, games, because performance is same on both tablets. Though desktop UI is really tiny and text doesn't look as crisp on smaller screen, resolution. Battery lasts only 5h instead 10h like with V975W. Internal storage is tiny, but there is newer Onda V820w with 32GB internal storage and 2GB RAM.

I think,. 8 inch model is good for it's price.

Though Onda V975W is batter in all other aspects and there isn't much of size or weight difference, since V975W is so thin and light.

There are many quality and driver issues with other smaller chinese brands. The only real alternative could be Teclast x98, but they have more driver issues too.

919 3G looks similar to Teclast x98. I'm not a fan of dual boot, since it takes a very long time to switch OS, share files, takes a lot of internal storage. You can dual boot any Win tablet from an external flash drive, though I didn't find it useful either. Same with 3G, you can always connect USB 4G modem or any other.
[Windows 8 General] kms108:
Thank, I'm only using the tablet for simple things, not interested for muiltimedia or games, just for GPS and browsing, so the spec is enough for me, and unlike you, or many people on this forum which rely on online to buy these, these tablets are sold everywhere in hong kong, and the shops are full of them for you to play and test them out.
[Windows 8 General] Originalas:
Only 9.7 Retina screen for web browsing then, after trying it you will not want to switch to anything less. :)

GPS is pretty much useless on a Windows 8.1 tablet, because there is no decent software for it.
[Windows 8 General] semjase:
Have you fixed the touch screen, wifi, and bluetooth issue?

If so, could you please create a img file from your USB stick with ImageUSB?

Link: http://www.osforensics.com/tools/write-usb-images.html

Please zip the file and upload it to e.g. your google drive or mediafire, and put the link here.

We can then write the IMG to our own USB-stick.

We would be very grateful. :)
[Windows 8 General] Originalas:
I have installed Ubuntu only for fun, just to see if it's possible. I haven't used it after creating my video. It's pretty much useless on tablet even with drivers.
[Windows 8 General] jockyw2001:
Search for Fedlet (Fedora). It works quite well and has a touchscreen keyboard. Wifi should work on the Onda.
[Windows 8 General] semjase:
Does the touchscreen work? I know you can wrap Windows WiFi drivers, but a requirement is the touchscreen works. I love to have a Linux distro on the tablet.
[Windows 8 General] Originalas:
Touch drivers worked with Ubuntu, but OS isn't optimized for touch. So it's like using old Windows XP touch tablet, just isn't right and you will miss buttons all the time.

Same goes for whole OS, super sluggish and unresponsive, crashes on standby. It's just not optimized for tablets.

If you want linux so bad, you could flash Android, it's the only kinda working OS with touch, but still you will miss lot of features that works only in Windows. And really the main selling point of this tablet is that it runs windows.
[Windows 8 General] Originalas:
Android OS emulation on Windows tablet. :)
[Windows 8 General] black_mambo:
z3735d vs z3735f :)

Which one is better? Some sites says that the z3735d is clocked at 1.33 while the z3735f is clocked at 1.83.

I watch in the Intel Official Site... and they seem almost the same...

Which are the really differences?

z3735d is the CPU of the Onda v975w while the z3735f is the cpu of the teclast X89.
[Windows 8 General] Tonian1878:
both clocked at 1.33 with turbo boost upto 1.83

from what ive read the "F" is marginally better than the "D" but it is a very small and almost worthless difference.
[Windows 8 General] Studio 1118:
Hi! Can you post a video runing the emulator please?
[Windows 8 General] Originalas:
F is new version without 64bit memory support, so it's slightly cheaper. All new tablets comes with F version, Onda V975W too. There is no difference, because tablet uses 2GB RAM and Win 32bit anyway.

Same frequency on both base 1,33GHz with 1,83GHz Intel turbo boost.
[Windows 8 General] Originalas:
[YOUTUBE]7R73GQ8r1hQ[/YOUTUBE]
[Windows 8 General] Studio 1118:
Thank you very much!

In your opinion, do you think that the emulator handles nice for general usage?

I dont care for games.. I need office software(google docs, presentation and excel), google drive, blogging and social media tools such as WordPress and blogger, facebook, twitter, hootsuite, buffer APP, photoshop touch and some entertaining apps that miss on windows store, google play música, spotify, YouTube, etc
[Windows 8 General] Originalas:
Well there are MS office and all social media apps in Windows store, some even way better than on Android.

There is Photoshop express and many other apps for drawing, photo editing.

There is Spotify too.

Lastly, Windows has full desktop browser, you can use facebook, youtube, grooveshark and similar sites normally without any apps.
[Windows 8 General] MRKikas:
Thank you for the video,

Can you point me were I can follow the instructions to install this Android?

I tried inTechCat.ca but only shows.

Best regards
[Windows 8 General] Originalas:
It's called DuOS, only 30days trial is available for free.
[Windows 8 General] jockyw2001:
It looks like we have the same hobbys :)

Although I have now a reasonable working Android-x86 working on my Voyo and Lenovo tablets, I will definitely try out DuOS. Thanks for the video !
[Windows 8 General] Originalas:
A little bit more tinkering with emulator and
[Windows 8 General] jockyw2001:
If you have any tips to optimize the emulator please let us know :)

I have installed it on my Voyo and am quite impressed.
[Windows 8 General] Originalas:
Reduce Windows resolution to 1024x768, 100% DPI and run DuOS fullscreen. Doubles performance and removes many scaling issues.

Adjust memory size in Android settings > DuOS configurator

Still Windows games are more impressive, the latest attempt GTA4: EFLC :D