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[Ornate TrueSmart] mghtymse007:
Their response to my request of a sample watch remains at $275. If you want, I would be happy to help you get a sample EU unit for that price + shipping. Otherwise, you'll have to see if kuronosan will help you with his contacts.
[Ornate TrueSmart] pepe74m:
I found the UNOVA IRON MAN at aliexpress for 199,80$ (I´m new here and can not post any links)

Do you talking about this watch?

I like the style of this watch, but I have no experience with aliexpress and there is no paypal possible. I like the Omate style but the IRONMAN style is really better ;) but I found nobody with experience of the IRONMAN and also with experience of Ali.

Anybody have experience with Ali here?

note: Sorry, my english could be better ;)
[Ornate TrueSmart] simple1i:
There is an Iron Man watch for $199.99 but its not the same specifications.

But lets take a look anyway, if you send me the link by PM (private message) i will post it for you. [emoji106]

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Thank you for the offer. Its a bit pricey, but a good watch. l'd prefer if someone else would buy it and review it so i can make an informed decision.
[Ornate TrueSmart] mghtymse007:
Your English is actually quite good. No worries there.

From my research, all of these sites are offering only the 240x240 as "in stock". If you see an ad for the 320x320, it is most likely a pre-order. Look for the shipping and/or delivery estimate. This should give you a decent idea of what to expect and the type of order you are placing.

Good luck
[Ornate TrueSmart] simple1i:
what would be the shipping to UK?
[Ornate TrueSmart] mghtymse007:
I would be happy to order one and review it for everyone on XDA. Unfortunately, the EU version doesn't do me much good with only 2G. But, when the NA version comes available, I will most certainly do so if there's enough interest.

I Haven't received any information on shipping of units yet. I will ask for you tho...

And am I I'm guessing correctly that you are inquiring about one unit in quantity?
[Ornate TrueSmart] simple1i:
Yup only one unit [emoji106]

So the EU version is 2G only?
[Ornate TrueSmart] mghtymse007:
No. This watch does not have the NA 1900mhz band. You'll be able to get 3G on the 2100 (JIC, double check with your provider).
[Ornate TrueSmart] mghtymse007:
I sent an email to them yesterday inquiring about a sample and shipping costs to UK. Once i get a response, I will forward the information to you.

In return, you gotta promise to post lots of pics and do a in depth review for all of us that are interested in this watch. [emoji6]
[Ornate TrueSmart] simple1i:
If i buy the watch then i will post a review and i'll take requests for specific functions you guys want reviewed.

Ideally i would like to dunk it in water, but . . . hmmm ... depends on the returns policy ;)
[Ornate TrueSmart] simple1i:
I'm tempted to buy the $200 240x240 resolution version. A few less pixels won't matter much on a small screen.

http://www.aliexpress.com/item/UNOV...-core-1GRAM-8GROM-Android-4-4/2034760553.html

I've re-checked the specs for the current Ironman watch and the new proposed one, the only difference is the resolution. I've contacted the seller (from the above link) to confirm the specs.
[Ornate TrueSmart] kuronosan:
It's the same.
[Ornate TrueSmart] simple1i:
So why is the other one for $270?

As soon as the seller confirms I'm looking to buy it.
[Ornate TrueSmart] kuronosan:
... better screen.
[Ornate TrueSmart] simple1i:
Ok.

Mghtymse007 - any comments before i make the order?

Anyone else buying one ... pepe74m are you in?
[Ornate TrueSmart] pepe74m:
I have to wait. My wife tells me, I have no credit for this watch ;)
[Ornate TrueSmart] simple1i:
Wise words from the wise one. [emoji1]

I get that too, I reply 'if you want me to have a good time then I need a good watch'.
[Ornate TrueSmart] mghtymse007:
OK. I have some news for you on the 320x320 unit. PM when you get a chance and I'll fill you in.
[Ornate TrueSmart] bonzai999:
I'd like to order one, my wife said ok for the $$ :)

Can you pm me the info please?
[Ornate TrueSmart] pepe74m:
OMG, an happy husband ... I like your wife ;)
[Ornate TrueSmart] bonzai999:
I originally backed 1 Omate TS, finally bought a 2nd one from kuronosan, she prefers her MotoActv for her needs.

I told her that if I sell my 2 TS I'll have more or less enough to buy the new one ;)
[Ornate TrueSmart] mghtymse007:
Are you US or EU?
[Ornate TrueSmart] bonzai999:
US 1900MhZ
[Ornate TrueSmart] simple1i:
Shame ...no US versions available yet ....right [MENTION=4240332]mghtymse007[/MENTION]?
[Ornate TrueSmart] bonzai999:
I'll use it as a companion with my Nexus5 anyway so if everything else will be working fine (GPS most importantly) I don't mind getting a EU version.
[Ornate TrueSmart] mghtymse007:
That's correct as of Oct. 20. Until an order of 500+ units is executed... The US/NA folks are going to have to wait.

[MENTION=1337268]kuronosan[/MENTION] .. What's the possibility of flashing the modem with the 1900mhz baseband?
[Ornate TrueSmart] kuronosan:
Of course it's possible if you have it, but the signal won't be as stable.
[Ornate TrueSmart] mghtymse007:
Huh, other than the upgraded screen this watch seems to be basically a clone of the TS. I know that the PCBs are not identical, but awfully close. If I were to buy you a sample, do you think you could tune the signal and antennas enough to be reliable?
[Ornate TrueSmart] kuronosan:
I'd be willing to try.

Also, it is the same PCB. The modules are different.
[Ornate TrueSmart] mghtymse007:
OK, I will order a couple of them and get one to you asap.
[Ornate TrueSmart] Lokifish Marz:
Would be nice if we had a way to make bands. I have an antenna I pulled from one of my other smartwatches that supports both 1900 and 2100.
[Ornate TrueSmart] mghtymse007:
In your experience, do you think that this newer model, the x202(?), will need a different antenna to accommodate the 1900mhz?

I know you've thrown in the towel on Dev'g for these watches...but can you...or better, want to help with this ?
[Ornate TrueSmart] kuronosan:
Yes, it uses a ceramic fold antenna. It can be tuned and with some testing will likely not need much modification. Loki knows more about the hardware particulars with antennas.
[Ornate TrueSmart] CPGOD:
Q: First tests on Unova Ironman?

My Ironman arrived in the post this morning. I realise it may not have 320*320, although I did ask them to upgrade me...

Its on the charger at the moment, so haven't even powered on.

+Lokifish Marz , +kuronosan what first checks and security vulnerabities should I look for?
[Ornate TrueSmart] kuronosan:
Just run a vulnerability checker. It's running KK, so depending on the version and the date it was built there probably aren't many.

Best thing to do is run Towelroot. If that works, you have vulnerabilities.
[Ornate TrueSmart] Lokifish Marz:
I use all of the following;

Belarc Security Advisor

Bluebox Security Scanner

Bluebox Heartbleed Scanner

eEye Android Scanner

Dou Security XRay for Android

Secunia PSI for Android

SRT AppScanner
[Ornate TrueSmart] jrome123:
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I have this watch for a week it took me like 15 different things to try to root it. end up getting it rooted with kingo.. Took 2-3time for it work keep the watch on there it will keep restarting trying to root it just let it try. When you get root Su you can't get permission cuz the screen is too small you cannot scroll down to push the button.. Now what put king super user apk in right behind Su .. Hope somebody can please help me can't get the play store on this watch to work..p.s take a shower with his watch for the last 4 nights no problem @ 15 sensor to.. Need the play store

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I tried towerlroot it doesn't work
[Ornate TrueSmart] jrome123:
I used mtk droid tool to make a backup that's works.. But it wont make a cwm tried every way.. I have the Z01 watch backup that and put cwm on with mtk droid tool but that watch have 4.2

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The screen 240*240
[Ornate TrueSmart] kuronosan:
I can try to make a twrp image if you can get me the stock kernel and recovery
[Ornate TrueSmart] CPGOD:
jrome - what errors do you have with Play Store? Im unable to get it working either.

I have tried several versions of the APK, but each time it says something like "There was a problem communicating with Google servers" if I try to use my existing account or "email xxxx isn't available" if I try to create a new one?

Does Google actively block from 'naughty' Chinese devices?
[Ornate TrueSmart] jrome123:
At work when i get home I will give it to you recovery @ kernel

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Don't get nothing no error play store open then close open then quick
[Ornate TrueSmart] kuronosan:
If you can get me a proper system image that would be great too.
[Ornate TrueSmart] jrome123:
Here is the recovery and boot image for the Ironman

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http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?p=56358630

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https://www.dropbox.com/sh/8tcjjetybdgujwt/AAAiXjunygAIK1UiblezTneIa?dl=0
[Ornate TrueSmart] mghtymse007:
[MENTION=1337268]kuronosan[/MENTION] will these images give you any insight to the viability of re-tuning the antennas. I'm getting ready to order two samples of the the 320
[Ornate TrueSmart] kuronosan:
No, I need system images for that.
[Ornate TrueSmart] mghtymse007:
Well, as soon as I get the samples, I'll be sending you one...hopefully they used the right hardware to swap the bands.
[Ornate TrueSmart] CPGOD:
[MENTION=1878407]jrome123[/MENTION] Have you tried installing GAPPS? I boot into recovery and try to ADB sideload a Nano version, but get an error which disappears too quickly to see - I was thinking some of the basic Google Play services might have been needed.

Also, couldnt get Kingo to work - never even attempted to reboot the watch - just installed a load of browser hijackers......
[Ornate TrueSmart] jrome123:
I will upload the kingo one I use and I will give you the Kings Superuser app to and you just gotta keep trying it do work
[Ornate TrueSmart] kuronosan:
If I can get a system image I can root it for you.
[Ornate TrueSmart] CPGOD:
Best link to instructions please?
[Ornate TrueSmart] kuronosan:
Um, you'll have to give me some time on that.
[Ornate TrueSmart] Eagle0001:
Lack of APP for 1.5" screen

IMHO, the issue is not in spec (one of my Callisto 300 is more than enough for most of general users), but that 99% of apps both coming with watches and from Google Play are not suitable for their 1.5" screen - despite that it works correctly, it's very very hard to read and enter text in apps developed with 3"-5"-9" in mind.

For exapmle, I tried hard to find any text input method suitable for 1.5" screen - and only recently some appears on the Play named Watch EWriting - it's "graffiti" like simplified handwriting recognition claimed as developed specially for small watches screens.

But more APPS for calling, SMS and more are needed..
[Ornate TrueSmart] gerhardo:
You still have more good apps than any watch using a custom OS.

I estimate that 80% apps work, but only 20% work well.

It is quite some work finding apps, using Xposed, tuning etc to get something useful. Minuum works surprisingly well to enter text though. I have got a button setup that works when exercising.

Not even Rocki/Omate during KS said that the TS would run everything.

The TS is almost as I expected in KS last year, with the exception of IP67, BTLE (Android 4.3 or later), no BT tethering, no full solution for notifications (cant get SWAps to notify from 4.1 phone), crappy ROM and no SW support or usable sources. I am sure there is something I have forgotten.

But I am sure some manufacturer will get the pieces together eventually.

I may get a specialized training watch instead meanwhile.
[Ornate TrueSmart] pepesr1000:
solved problem with google play and tip for some apps that do not fit inthe screen

1. in addition to Google Play apk, install google services. Just download both apk, copy them to the watch and install them. I don't have the error "can't connect to google servers" and can loggin into my Google Play account, also add the google account, gmail, etc

2. I have managed to go through some of these aps that do not fit well in the screen by reducing the font size to small (in the system setup), and in fee cases using a BT keyboard connected to the phone and playing with the tab, cursors, space bar and enter.

I hope this helps. I have been using the watch for 10 days and I am very happy. I had the Calisto 100 before and this is much much better. I use it intensivelly for running (with Runkeeper, BT headset and BT HRM).
[Ornate TrueSmart] CPGOD:
+pepesr1000 I eventually found a combo of Services and Store that worked.
[Ornate TrueSmart] BenjaminM:
Hi pepesr1000, I'm also looking at the Iron Man from Umeox mostly as my running companion. Can you let me know which HRM do you use? I use the Wahoo Blue HR and would use it with the Wahoo Android fitness app.

My concern is that I'm not sure if the app can be drawn properly on the screen. Which model did you receive, 240x240 or 320x320. Theoretically, in 320x320 there should be more room and therefore some apps might work better. Is that the case?

Also, the Omate was near unusable during workout as soon as the screen would become hyper sensitive when it was wet. Does the Iron Man behave better in this respect?

Finally, how are the GPS and BTLE signal? This is another problem I have with my TS...

Thanks a lot for your input.
[Ornate TrueSmart] pepesr1000:
Hi Benjamin,

I ran a 16km trail this morning with the Ironman. Just great, also compared to the Omate TM. I am a bit busy now, I will try to answer to your questions later today. I'll also add some other coments about the differences between both watches, mainly for running.

HI CPGOD,

I will also post the versions later today and in which sequence I installed them. I will have to check the APK I used, as I was just trying I did not pay attention to that. The good news is that I still have the files.
[Ornate TrueSmart] pepesr1000:
Good. In any case here you have the info:

- I installed first the Google Play APK. I tried with two versions and I am not sure about the version that did work. The two files I have are:

Google Play 5032.apk

Google-Play-Store-4.9.13.apk

The current version I am running is 5.0.38, but it was automatically updated when I managed to connect to the play store for the first time.

- then the Google Services file:

com.google.android.gms-6.1.83-1522025-034-APK4Fun.com.apk

Google services also updated to version 6.1.83, that is the one that I am currently running.

If the combinations of files above does not work, the only thing I remember to have tried was to install Youtube after installing Google Play (there is a known issue when connecting to Google that is solved by installing and logging with YouTube, but did not work here because in fact Google services are missing). The file I used was:

YouTube v5.14.5 (archivosapk.com).apk

Good luck with it!!!!!
[Ornate TrueSmart] sch500:
X202

Yes and yes, given Loki security issues fixed.
[Ornate TrueSmart] gerhardo:
I am interested in the x202 too but these problems are hardly better than in the x201

The apps must be controlled from buttons. My setup with Xposed Additions mod and IpBike works OK

GPS and BT is fine with the replacement TS I got. BT never worked well withthe first, GPS was fine before the antenna seem to break. So that is hardly better, if working. Hopefully the design is better on the x202..

BTLE is much missed on the x201...

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interested too
[Ornate TrueSmart] simple1i:
320x320 resolution in AliExpress

The EU 320x 320 resolution is on AliExpress for $300 including delivery. In grey, orange and yellow.
[Ornate TrueSmart] kuronosan:
Man, I might have to sell off one of my spares to get one to develop on.
[Ornate TrueSmart] simple1i:
The EU version is available from Unova direct from $200 + shipping using Paypal. The shipping cost is decent too.

I've made a new thread because its not the Omate, but if you think the Ironman watch info should remain here let me know.

:D:D
[Ornate TrueSmart] gerhardo:
The forum is really about the Umeox x201.

I believe the x202 fit here too, at least for now.
[Ornate TrueSmart] BenjaminM:
[MENTION=5851563]pepesr1000[/MENTION], I was wondering if you could share your comments@ I'm also using the TS as a running companion and I was hoping the the Ironman could overcome/improve the current limitations :

- BTLE connection with HRM connection + BT Headphones

- BT signal Strengh

- GPS Signal Strengh

- Ultra Sensitive Touch Screen issue

Additional questions if that's OK :

- How's the weight/bulkiness while running ?

- How's Battery life with a 320x320 and 650mAh battery ?

- How do you can access to the Micro SD card slot?

Alos, regarding the screen resolution, I've followed [MENTION=5407402]gerhardo[/MENTION] suggestion and used Xposed Framework. I've found the "App Settings" module which can define DPI per app and it works fine. However, Xposed requires Root.

Has the Ironman already been rooted?
[Ornate TrueSmart] kuronosan:
If I had a system image I could root it. If I had a watch I could definitely do it.
[Ornate TrueSmart] kuronosan:
I need someone with the 240x240 unit to pull the ProjectConfig from the system. Or, get me a system image.

Instructions:

Download MTK Droid Tools.

Do a full backup.

Prepare files for Flash Tool.

ZIP up the system.img and other parts, upload it so I can get my hands on it.

It's crucial, if you want to get any hope of getting KK on the X201.
[Ornate TrueSmart] CPGOD:
I can do this on Friday if no one does it beforehand.
[Ornate TrueSmart] kuronosan:
Also, if you cannot do that what I do need is for someone to do what's called a Read-Back using SP Flash Tool. It's a little harder to do than the MTK route, but it provides a 1:1 Nandroid of your entire unit and allows me to have everything that the factory flashed onto it.
[Ornate TrueSmart] CPGOD:
Ive been trying to do this all weekend without success.

MTK Droid (252 and 253) wont allow the Backup function to work - it remains greyed out and unselectable.

I know my drivers are ok, as the device is detected as Ironman and the backup function is enabled when is connect my TS.

Where is Project.Config stored? I managed to get RootExplorer installed (without Root permissions though) - so I can access some system files.
[Ornate TrueSmart] kuronosan:
system/data/misc

Are you rooted? If not you can't do it the easy way.
[Ornate TrueSmart] CPGOD:
Not rooted - not found anything that will do it yet.

Here is config.
[Ornate TrueSmart] kuronosan:
I actually hear the latest version of Kingo will work.

By the way, the project config is perfect. If this is the 240x240 version, it's a 1:1 match for the TS. I need the LK.bin and BOOT.img to continue. system.IMG is a bonus.
[Ornate TrueSmart] CPGOD:
Are the .bin and .img files likely to be stored as accessoble files in the file system, or only produced by MKT DT/SP? i coulnt find them with a cursory look, but trying to browse them on the watch screen is difficult.

I read about Kingo earlier in the thread, but the version I found was full of malware and browser hijackers and didnt work. The OP said he would send the version that allegedly worked for him, but Ive not heard back.
[Ornate TrueSmart] kuronosan:
Try RootGenius or VROOT. Those should work.

You can probably get the kernel by using shell commands (like dd) and that will get you the recovery or boot images, but the MTK/SP ways are the best ways to do it because it's a total 1:1 hex dump (it also produces a scatter file so I can see what chipset you're working with).
[Ornate TrueSmart] giol:
You could try zgpax s8 firmware as an alternative for rooting. The s8 cna be rooted with kingoroot. A lot of tips on software optimization can be found in the s8 thread. Xposed and app settings is an absolute must. Most apps will work with custom dpi of 100-130 and market helper will allow you to download incompatible apps. The disable signature verification module (xposed) can be useful to flash newest google play services.

I almost bought this watch until the seller told me it weighs 300 grams! Since I want it for running that seemed too much. The s8 I bought has a lousy gps while this one is supposed to have a ceramic antenna which could be better. Can anyone tell me how much it actually weighs and how is the gps in difficult environment (between buildings or under trees) ?
[Ornate TrueSmart] CPGOD:
ive just re-weighed it and its 121 grams.
[Ornate TrueSmart] Gah73:
Unova Ironman

Hi, I received the Unova Ironman this morning.

Disappointingly the watch is unable to find my Bluetooth smart heart rate monitor

Can any one give advise on how to get this to work?

My phone finds the heart rate monitor immediately so the issue is not with that.

Thanks
[Ornate TrueSmart] CPGOD:
Ignore the 'obvious bits':

1. Go into Settings/Wireless

2. Slide Bluetooth to On

3. Select Bluetooth

4. Press IRONMAN to make visible to nearby devices

5. Slide LEFT to RIGHT to bring up options

6. Press search for devices?

That brings up a list for me - is your HRM in paring mode?

Try placing quite close - if that works maybe dodgy antenna in Ironman, then move away progressively and repeat to see what your max distance is.
[Ornate TrueSmart] Gah73:
Hi, Thanks

My Heart rate monitor is Bluetooth smart - My Sony Z3 finds it immediately as BLE HRM.

The Ironman just doesn't find it although it does find other Bluetooth devices.

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So, I installed an app called BLE Tool which found the HRM.

Now runkeeper has found it also so at least it works.
[Ornate TrueSmart] SW_Tech:
Are there any test videos on youtube? I can't find anything. How is the overall feeling and useability of the watch? Can you install your own custom rom (such as cyanogenmod) with a proper designed launcher for smartwaches?
[Ornate TrueSmart] kuronosan:
No.

Still would love that firmware. :
[Ornate TrueSmart] CPGOD:
Ive still not found a way to get it - MKTD wont go beyond recognising the device - Backup never gets enabled because not rooted. Cant root because partition is locked R/O so cant get any exploits onto it.

Will try some time with SP over the weekend, but im nervous of corrupting something beyond repair.
[Ornate TrueSmart] gerhardo:
More than the TS (at 105g?)?

The steel version is a little heavy for me for normal use, quite OK for running for some reason. Alu almost OK for normal use.

Is it solid?
[Ornate TrueSmart] CPGOD:
My Alu TS is certainly the lightest of the three.

The Ironman is certainly more rugged, although it still has the same silicon wristband with internal antennae. The case is well sealed as far as I can tell. It is secured by a number of tri-wing screws micro-sized (Y0000 or Y00000 at a guess) and ive not been able to obtain a tool small enough to open it, which im determined to do....

I think some of the weight is due to the magnetic charging mechanism.
[Ornate TrueSmart] David42290:
Guys, someone here can extract firmware from his umeox x202? I want try install it on zgpax s8 (sp flash tool).

Thanks.
[Ornate TrueSmart] kuronosan:
You can't. Why would you anyway? The S8 already has KitKat.
[Ornate TrueSmart] David42290:
To fix google services problem with S8

I port Callisto 100 firmware on S8 but it is 4.2, so i want try port this 4.4 firmware (same technical specs)
[Ornate TrueSmart] kuronosan:
It's not. Unless you get a 240*240 one you're not using the same specs.

What Google Services issue are you having?