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[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] luminus:
Have to wait and see. I'm sceptical about HTC these days. My tytn doesn't work like it should be and like i want it.

Did send two mails to HTC and received one back. One mail was redirected to my local distributor and was also waiting and disappointed about HTC for ROM updates.

My other mail was send directly to HTC and nada responce. shame on you HTC.

Have my device for more then five months and now they are releasing out of the blue a ROM update, gonna be a update of disappointment. It doesn't gonna fix that much. ( !!! bluetooth > carkits!! and speed !!!).

Let's hope.
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] sergiopi:
Dear CALLSERVICE@HTC.com , you're fired! :)

In a company "promishing" is "fried air selling" as we say in Italy.

You will buy "fried air"? Yes, when it will be available, practically NEVER

In the management schools they suggest, when you want to talk about future, to say a deadline of your statement. If you want to make marketing campaign use "rumors", on-line "stolen" (not really) ROM test.

This is IMO another example of joung (and confused) company growing up too fast for his management.

So I suggest to believe to this "end of the month fix", with ALL KNOWN ISSUES FIXED :) when we will see it flashed in our phones; if you search in this forum we are full of "next month" upgrade.

Latins... are always valuable "spes, ultima Dea..." means "Hope is the last God remaining at our side". So the lesson learned from this HTC customer care could be... the TyTans are defeated but Spes (Hope) is still with us. Hey HTC, do you know that Hermes is the God of the robbers?

:Mode Happy new year ON:

Also Hermes tortured TyTan (owners?); Zeus (HTC) sends Hermes to confront the enchained Titan (Our phone)Prometheus about a prophecy of the Titan's (owners) that Zeus (HTC) would be overthrown (From Nokia? From Motorola?). Hermes scolds Prometheus for being unreasonable and willing to endure torture, but Prometheus refuses to give him details about the prophecy ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hermes )

I've understood at least wy they called HERMES the TyTn, it was a prophecy, we will be tortured!
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] basilrsa:
As I was in contact with them about issues on my TyTn, I believe this will be an update from HTC for their TyTn branded phone. I guess the other operators will follow with their own ROM updates, based on this one. ?????

We will have to wait and see what AKU version will be used but I predict it will be 2.6 - but hey maybe we get lucky! I doubt if the ROM will be much different to the one released in the RSA. Bootloader 1.9!

I still think their service is poor as HTC has taken more than 6 months to notify us of an update, knowing that their phone was buggy.

On service alone they should not have had the TyTN named "Phone of the year - 2006" ( Check htc.com website)
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] Sleuth255:
I think you're shooting too low with your AKU prediction. I'm going on record as predicting it'll be at least AKU 3.2... My rational is that to "fix all bugs" will require a massive BT stack improvement. M$ didnt' release these improvements until AKU 3.0
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] sergiopi:
I think they could made a bigger effort than a 2.6 AKU, and may be they will, having a look to the only frightening number for a CEO: revenue trends!

Look here: http://www.htc.com/investor_service/04-investor-1.htm

They have this year many different devices compared with 2005, they have a new strategy (HTC directly involved instead of I-Mate, QTEK) and november revenues, compared to last year revenues....

I hope today is happening what I was hoping: they will listen the stakeholders (we) only when the shareholders (they have Nokia phones :) ) will notice some warning from analysts.

At that time we will have our 3.2 AKU for TyTn, or may be we will have even Crossbow (not as a gift I'm afraid)
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] perlmane:
When was the last time anyone ever "fixed all bugs"? And whenever they do fix the bugs, when have they not create newer ones?
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] Lurker0:
Don't you guys know the difference between "all" and "all known"? For instance, when I mailed them with hang after wake up issue, they answered, they are not aware of this problem, that all works good in their tests (="we still don't know about this problem")!
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] lellobello:
bogus or not

it's a hell of a news..after 6 months...
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] perlmane:
Sure I know the difference. But since when do software developers exaggerate their deliverables? If they say all, they mean all. LOL
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] Sleuth255:
I don't know what you're talking about perlmane, my software doesn't have bugs. It exhibits "undocumented features" :)
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] armedmetallica:
Think of them as little suprise gifts that push you over the edge one day causing you to upgrade!
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] sergiopi:
Hey, may be we are the poor cousins having the hermes (no caps lock on h). In this forum there are guys having some other Hermes (with caps lock). I believe it should be another model, because they wrote messages informing us that they HAVEN'T any hangup or sofware "undocumented features" :)

I called the the Hermes customer service but there was an aswering machine

Here is the link... :)http://www.fugly.com/audio/504/1_Alzheimer_Answering_Machine.html
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] basilrsa:
I can assure you that the copy of the email is not bogus - in fact it was cut and paste.

Hey I gave you 1.35 did'nt I!
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] vador:
let's us hope. Would like aku 3.x.. because I have a problem with the htc tytn with wireless and certificates that hangs up after a random minutes. I have friends with the same pocket reporting me same thing..

Just hope that this new upgrade resolves that problem :D
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] ScottC:
This can't come soon enough. BT on this thing is about as bad as it gets.
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] fn002449:
does anybody know the version number of this rom update?
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] the_passenger:
one can only hope.
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] Wam7:
I am going to call them to see if this will fix the Line1/Line2 problem...
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] V J:
Let's hope it adds some BT functionalities... :)

Most of my issues are more Windows related (messaging, VPN, ...), so I doubt these will be solved.

Jörg
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] dude64:
I had mailed HTC asking particularly about the ROM update, and I too was told that they are planning for one for the end of Jan. So lets hope come end of Jan. the ROM is actually available and easily accessible to all the device owners. HTC should work on their CS as it is the main manufacturer of WM devices, with the Apple's phone just around the corner, with this kind of support WM would not even stand a chance.
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] expletive:
Would HTC also provide a ROM for the Cingular 8525 or would CIngular be responsible for providing that? I recall seeing a link to a Cingular ROM on the HTC site at one point so i wasnt 100% sure.

If they could sort out the Bluetooth issues and at least get VC 1.6 working as its supposed to (and with my acura) that would a huge win imo.
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] cyberdrakula:
Oh god ! hehehehe LMAO ! Undocumented features ! Excellent ! Man I find couple comments here almost daily that just makes my day !
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] perlmane:
And I have been finding new undocumented features each and every day. But they are not making me laugh.
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] efjay:
I personally am not expecting this rom upgrade to be AKU3.x. HTC would rather you bought a new device. That has been their tactic in the past with previous products.
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] apokryphus:
Could it not be crossbow

Well, as we all know, somewhere is a crossbow update for the hermes. So i could imagine that the upcoming update is the long-expected crossbow version. but i could be wrong...
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] Dukas:
I don't believe it's a crossbow or that a crossbow will available officially ever.

The only available crossbow, currently, are using the Hermes as testing platfom and not as final patform.
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] basilrsa:
Sleuth 255 you are correct in you assumptions.

See my edited version of my first post on this thread.(latest information to hand)

I wonder if this has not been the reason for the late, long awaited stereo bluetooth headphones from HTC.

I followed your mods and now I am very happy with my Nokia HS-12W. I still get occasional skips, but I think the cause could be signal interference.The range is still a problem though. Sound virtually as good as my IPod and Zen Vision.

Thanks again
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] 5n0rk:
When an Italian rom will arrive for the tytn?

has gone out for the trinity!because for the tytn it puts us so much time?
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] Sleuth255:
@basilrsa:

Yeah, I got some recent information that pretty much confirmed my prediction as well. However, it looks like the radio will be protected from upgrades in much the same way the SoftBank X01HT radio is. HTC is going with this same radio bootloader in all new releases it would appear. What this means is that we won't be able to crossgrade to other radios with the 1.04 bootloader solution FTTB.
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] Shamanix:
Lets hope that it will really be like that !!

I would be delighted !!!
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] basilrsa:
I heard that the operating system will be WM5 second edition, but I noticed a post elsewhere on the forum that a Chinese Dopod version will have WM6 embedded. So at least we can assume that it will be a major upgrade from Microsoft.

I believe that the bootloader will be 1.9 as now used on the latest ROM's.

Yes I agree that they are trying to stop ROM crossgrades, especially on the radio side. This is a logical move if you think about it as the different Network Operators around the world have different requirements and swopping swopping ROM's does not always improve the quality of their services. I know our local distributor in RSA will be optimizing the ROM's to suite our local Cellphone Networks. They obviously have the code to perform these software upgrades to the operating system.

Vodacom our main network operator is already taking about HUPDA - the next step up from HSPDA. (and much faster)

I guess this is all in preparation for the World Soccer Cup that we will host in 2010.
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] Prerna:
Since many months I heard an AKU 3.X is set to be released somewhere in H1 2007. Let's hope the time has come.
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] tornado75:
the time has gone...

i hope new ROM is coming in few days
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] jompao:
I just got my Tytn back from service and they stated there was no upgrade available yet for it.

I'm sure my operator Three wants to see a big upgrade for Tytn as it is now you can not use their portal as streaming video and audio is not working now, which means no extra income for the operator.
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] mrvanx:
My TyTN had the problems they knew abouit since i bought it just after launch (august last year). Since flashing the ROM in my sig its been just BRILLIANT! How come people arent going for these ROMs instead?! Theres no way i would have waited for HTC to pull out thier fingers and genuinly release one.

Infact i emailed HTC a few days ago about it and was told (in three seperate replies LOL) March, Q1 and Early January for the ROM release. So looks like they dont know either!

Worth giving them a break though since they do the ROMs for the branded units first (O2, Tmobile, Voda etc...). For a first attempt at thier own brand its goin quite well afaik.
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] ronny06:
HTC Europe has declared that the new rom will be available between at least 2 months and it will not resolve all the problems but only some
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] asz344:
from a month to another
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] andzia:
upgrade and bootloader

hallo

I have tytn with :

bootloader 1.04

rom: 1.18.255.3 data 07/22/06

radio rom 1.03.03.10

protocol 32.34.7010.01H

ext rom 1.18.255.8008

I won`t update my tytn but I have one questions when I update rom example from :RUU_HERMES_HTC_WWE_1.35.255.2_1.35.255.102_1.08.00.10_SHIP my bootloader stay 1.04 or change to 1.09?

B.R Andzia
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] Pc78:
You will get SPL-1.09 which is not downgradable, so read the Wiki if you are gonna upgrade! If your device is SuperCID you can upgrade to SA 1.35, get the SPL-1.09 but than you can downgrade with SPL-1.01MFG and stick with this bootloader or upgrade to 1.04 if you want it...but be sure your device is SuperCID!

Regards,

Primoz
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] andzia:
thenks

B.R Andzia
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] losborn:
That is UNBELIEVABLE news! Everyone knows that software releases unfortunately trade old bugs for new ones...:p
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] Jaacek:
So far so quiet ..... any news?
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] mrvanx:
LOL I gave up looking and emailing with HTC a fair time ago, i say give XDA-Live v0.2 a go when its released?!
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] MasterOfDesasters:
I wrote a mail to HTC Europe regarding the update. That is the answer I got Feb. 19th:

Good Morning,

There have been no updates for the TyTN as of yet. We expect the first to be available within the next few weeks. As to whether or not this will be AKU3.3 or not I cannot say. We have not been informed of the full contents of the ROM update by our engineers. Once it is available, the update should be ready for download from the HTC website. A new section will appear containg the ROM updates once they are released.

Thank you for your enquiry, Should you have any other problem, please do not hesitate to call us. Your Local number can be found at http://www.europe.htc.com/support/cs_by_phone.html

Best regards,

HTC Support

callservice@htceurope.com

http://www.htc.com
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] agovinoveritas:
^^^ Lame......
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] boz:
I used to look forward to the day HTC Europe released an updated rom for my Tytn (Hermes 200) since I bought my Tytn back in October on a pre-order, but I honestly could not care less anymore, I think anything they release now is too little too late, and they have taken the p**s out of their customers. Why worry when you have all the wonderful rom and radio development going on with this site. I currently run on XDA Live 0.10 (Crossbow) which runs like a dream in unison with the 1.35 radio version, and cannot wait until tomorrow when the 0.20 version is out. So read this and weep HTC Europe!
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] Cuivienor:
Why would they weep? XDA Live is doing their job through no cost of their own. Your reaction is exactly what they want, it reassures them in thinking there is no need to invest any more money in ROM upgrade for the TyTN. What better news could there be for them?
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] trion:
Yep :( and that is why they sold us the hardware way too expensive :(

It was my first HTC device, and I still think it may be the last, XDA is doing most of the development, if this website didn't exist I would still be on the buggy 1.18.

So they may think this is cheap for them, but next time I will buy my device somewhere else
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] boz:
Why is my reaction what they want? Why should I care, they have done nothing but give out false hope about rom updates and as the previous poster said we paid through the nose for our devices in the first place. This site has done more for my Tytn than they ever have, so stuff HTC.
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] richy240:
Yeah, but who makes our hardware? HTC. Stuff HTC? Then what happens to XDA-Dev?
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] Shamanix:
Well.. HTC is slow on ROM upgrades but they are very fast on releasing new devices..

I think we need to see official WM6 ROM upgrade for hermes since microsoft is giving free licence upgrade (!)

If we don`t see it, I 2nd trions words, too expensive hardware that we cant keep up to date.. It would be my first and last HTC device.. :mad:

Surely without XDA-devs our HTC devices are less worth.. ;)
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] boz:
You are misunderstanding my point, which is the fact that I paid out nearly £500 for a pre-ordered Tytn with an early rom installed, and they have not once issued a rom update for it knowing that there are problems. You can see by my previous posts that I have nothing but praise for this site and the way developers can make upgrades available for our devices from the meagre roms that HTC release. I am bitter because we have been promised so much from HTC and they have given so little, they do not mind taking my money but do not give a hoot about customer care. So I still say stuff HTC!
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] trion:
I agree, and will look for better support next time I buy a phone.

So on the short term this is cheaper for HTC, but on the long term they will lose customers.

But the WM6 rom makes a lot good, don't get me wrong, I like this phone, but I hate the lack of custome support from HTC.

I got my phone august 2006 and still no rom update from them :(

The least they could have done was posting the 1.35 rom.
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] steve1215:
So did HTC Europe ever release a ROM update for the TyTN or was this just another round of vapourware like the Treo 750 update from Vodafone..... ;-)

Unless I'm looking in the wrong place "Software Updates" on the European HTC site says "there are no updates..."

http://www.europe.htc.com/support/software/htctytn.html

Cheers,

Steve
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] boz:
No there is still nothing they are just giving false hope, and I still have the same opinion about HTC Europe. But who cares when I have WM6 black 2.0 running perfectly!:cool:
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] crazyut:
I, for one, am shocked that a business would promise anything and not deliver. They take our money and give nothing but lip service and not even the good kind. What is this world coming to anyway? Boz rocks!
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] johnburn:
And this is exactly why I have absolutely no qualms in loading one of the "hacked" WM6 versions. If HTC/M$ won't get it to me, I'll get it somewhere else.

John
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] boz:
Mind you I might have to eat my words if this becomes reality at the link below, looks like it could be this month for me (or sometime next year!), but I won't hold my breath! :)

http://www.engadgetmobile.com/2007/0...upgrade-plans/
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] athiqueahmed:
Apparently this is the official statement from HTC...

PDF Link: http://www.solopalmari.com/images/stories/007/04/WM6_statement_b_.pdf
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] rolandrat:
I was told today that to get a upgrade of my rom to whatever version they are doing, I would have to send it to MK.

I live close, so I'll see if they'll let be bring it, but I must say why on earth do i have to get someone else to do it, we were upgrading ipaq's and the like 5 years ago!!
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] boz:
Suck it and see, but if I am not wrong is all they will give you will be the South African WM5 rom and radio that has been available on this site for a while! :)
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] petes:
Yep - they told me the same thing - madness! Anyway, once you've had it done, it might be in interesting if you could rip the firmware and post it for those of us that don't live close by..... Be interesting to check if it's actually the same as Leaf's SA rom.
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] darky:
Software updates: HTC TyTN

http://www.europe.htc.com/support/software/htctytn.html

Wireless Modem – Vista Drivers

are they messing with us ???

who the hell cares about wireless modem drivers for vista when we still haven't seen a single rom upgrade to fix the oh so many bugs

-_-

this is sad... soooo sad....

my next phone will not be an HTC
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] ach2:
Bollocks to that - their software and customer services might be crap but the phones are great - but the support and software upgrades I get here easily make up for that and I'm not going to cut my nose off to spite my face...

I understand the sentiment though and feel sorry for people who haven't found this site - THEY are the ones who suffer the most at the hands of HTC crap support
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] skhorchid:
Is the update released or not

Hi,

Is the update / upgrade for tytn ready on Europe site or not.
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] laaban:
Not ready, but the support pages has changed the recent days so maybe something is about to happen... ;)
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] skhorchid:
Your ROM Version

How is your ROM version performance and bugs please let me know.
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] darky:
August and still nothing

I lol'd :p , maybe it was a typo , end of January 2008 ;)
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] Sherlock1971:
HTC TyTN upgrade released

The Official HTC TyTN upgrade has appeared on the european website...unfortunately for those with operator branded devices you can't have the software...and you have to create an eClub membership and register the phone...operator branded phones cannot be registered. :mad:
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] V J:
Strange... I have a htc branded phone, registred on the eClub site, and I still just see a white page for the downloads...

Jörg
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] sergiopi:
Check THIS post!

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=320965 :)
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] shriek:
I just registered my TyTN (branded TMN, a major Portuguese mobile Operator) and I'm currently downloading the upgrade with my slow UMTS connection.

I suppose that if they let me come this far I should be able to upgrade...

Would I still get warranty support if I install official HTC upgarde?
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] Bensat:
I can now download the software from the European site!

Bummer I can only download the WWE version. But it is the same as we could download a week ago on XDA_developers, hahahahaha.

Great work HTC!:D
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] bnycastro:
Started downloading the WM6 ROM ETA 14 hrs 50 mins!!! :eek: sheesh!