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[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] spinedoc:
Bleh, I guess I'm stuck with Tmobile and faking their cheapest plan then cancelling when I get home. Oh well, at least I can trade my old iPhone in for the Samsung promo. $549 is not a bad deal for the N4 at all.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] Flame Red:
Can anyone who has bought a TMOB phone please verify they actually get LTE service on T? Looking at the LTE bands, it appears T verse TMOB used different bands in the same frequency.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_LTE_networks
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] mircury:
Yup, many people get ATT LTE with tmobile phones. Here is a very large thread in the note 3 section on everything you need to know.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] CZ Eddie:
See my signature.

I'll never buy another AT&T phone as long as they keep locking the bootloader and going out of their way to prevent root.

T-Mobile S5 got root (and recovery option) the first week it was released. First day maybe even?

AT&T S5 didn't get root until what, seven freaking weeks after release?

This year though, I'm seriously considering just leaving AT&T all together and going with both TMO phone AND plan.

Their coverage in my area is actually better than ATT in some places.

I'm not in a rush to leave my Note 3 behind though.

I'm running an AOSP/CM/Slim based ROM that is absolutely rock solid stable, fast and great battery life and has tons of customization options.

It would be several months before the Note 4 gets a really good AOSP ROM.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] Flame Red:
A relative of mine has a TMOB plan and I asked them to pre-order the phone for me. They said that TMOB requires you to have a the "jump" plan which they did not use so they would not let them pre-order it.

I assume someone on Flea-Bay will sell unlocked TMOB Note 4 eventually. I guess I'll just have to wait for those to show up. Unless there will eventually is another source without a plan?

Or are all of you preordering them here and then will just cancel the service after you receive it and pay the balance?
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] spinedoc:
Yeah I'm just grabbing it off the website, I'm assuming my plan won't start until I actually activate the phone. As soon as I get the phone delivered I'll cancel the plan and hopefully they don't charge me the first month. Only 2 things I'm not sure of are:

1) They are charging me a $50 deposit versus the first months service, will I get this back? It also says within 12 months!?!? Still I'm ok with it as it's cheaper than the ATT one.

2) What happens to the $22 credit they are giving me for my old phone trade in? I won't have a bill to apply it to, will this get lost?
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] gubbilo144:
I have the tmobile note 3 and the at&t note 3,I have at&t service as tmobile service sucks were I am.I bought the tmobile note 3 last year from tmobile full price from store got the cheapest plan then shut it off the next day.I got it unlocked when I got home for 15 bucks from unlock service out of the play store in about an hour.I will never buy a At&t phone again unless the bootloader is unlocked.It took forever just to get root access on the at&t model thats why I bought the tmobile note 3.I can live without the roms but not root.I can assure you I get the same at%t service on my tmobile note 3 as the at&t note 3 including lte on the tmobile note 3.I will be picking up the tmobile note 4 .I want the note edge but there no release date yet so the note 4 will do until I can get the note edge,which will also be picking up the tmobile model using it with at&t service.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] groovadelickun:
That's what I'll be doing.

I've been reading through the Note 3 TMobile-->AT&T thread and am hoping I don't screw up AT&T LTE service if they have my IMEI. (Or lose my grandfathered unlimited plan)

However, I probably just don't fully understand the process yet.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] gubbilo144:
I have the grandfathered unlimited plan also, been using the tmobile note 3 on at&t and I haven't lost my lte or unlimited plan for about a year now.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] Flame Red:
I am not sure how big a PITA it will be to cancel TMOB service the day I receive the phone. Will they hit me with charges other than the cost of the phone and the $10 for the SIM?

It does not sound like the day I receive it I could just stick in my T SIM and go since it comes locked (I assume). Folks with Note 3 experience, please chime in if I am wrong.

Plus, I assume the phone will be locked to TMOB. I was reading that they will unlock it after 45 days, but I wonder if you cancel the service if that is true. I guess someone will offer an unlock service for a nominal amount eventually.

I am wondering if it just might be less hassle to wait a few days after the phone ship and buy it from Flea-Bay or Swappa or such, where the phone may come unlocked (to TMOB carrier) out of the box?
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] gubbilo144:
You don't have to wait 45 days to get it unlocked. I bought my tmobile note 3 and took it home and you can use any unlock service to have it unlocked for a small fee. I had myt mobile note 3 for about 3 hours took it home and used a unlocked service from the google play store and was up and running my at&t service in about a hour. I cancled my tmobile plan the next day and was only charged for what data I used for the one day which was like 3 dollars and didnt have to pay my first month bill.If I remember correct u have the same 14 day grace period to return if its not to your liking like at&t.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] spinedoc:
Thanks, that's my plan as well. They have a 20 day grace period, but I'm just going to cancel as soon as the dust settles from the UPS truck leaving.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] Flame Red:
Thanks for all the advice. The web site kind of indicated that I could do a smart phone trade in when preordering but it did not seem to let me as it looks like you have to supply the order number and your TMOB number, which they did not give me. Looks like I have 14 days to do the trade in.

I got an email confirmation that the order is in. Not very impressive, just a plain text three line email with order number, date/time and total. No message like I see over in the preorder thread. Maybe that comes later. Certainly unprofessional IMHO.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] spinedoc:
You have to wait until you receive the phone to do the trade in if you sign up over the phone, I learned that the hard way. I'll probably go next week to a physical Tmobile store and cancel my order, and re-order with the store as they said that way I could trade in my old phone. $201 for a iPhone 4, not bad at all.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] electrofryed:
This sounds crazy, but if t-mobile is not locking the bootloaders, then i think it's worth my support by keeping the low budget plan even if i don't use it. That'll be my part in helping them expand their service so i can finally tell AT&T where they can stick their locked bootloader phones... just sayin

Super Nerdified 4.3 Note 3 n900a

Triple boot thanks to Safestrap

X Note

Firenote v16

Alliance v6

bobcatroms awesome theme with my own personal touch.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] rekman:
Is this the norm to only be charged for the data you used? I only ask because looking at Tmobile's terms of service, it says something like they could take the device back and/or charge you more than the original price of the off contract phone. I'm really interested in preordering from tmobile and then canceling the service day 1 and unlocking the phone through other means to use on ATT.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] ewingr:
I'm definitely interested in getting the TMO phone to move to AT&T. I'm concerned if in fact they are unlocked. They could surprise us.

From what I"ve read here, there should be no down side to moving a TMO phone to AT&T. Did I understand that correctly? I will say that looking at the Note 3 TMo to ATT thread, moving the TMO phone to AT&T can be problematic, especially if you let AT&T get hold of the IMEI of your TMO phone. Makes me a bit nervous.

I looked at the pre-order online, and they only have black and white. I"m considering the gold. I may stop at a TMO store and see what the deal may be there. Also, I did not see an option to pay full price.

I presume we can take advantage of the Samsung $200 upgrade promotion. I have read there is a list of eligible phones to trade in, but haven't found that.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] drmacrofish:
Couple of things. First in regards to the gold, I don't believe those are for sale anywhere with any carrier initially, at least in the US.

Second, yes using a T mobile phone on ATT will work. You will get full LTE support. However, your signal may not be as strong and your data speed a bit slower. Source for this is my own experience in doing this for the past year with my Note 3 as well as others here.

Third, we don't know yet for sure if t mobile will continue with an unlocked bootloader. We know ATT wont, as they have said in the past they won't sell android phones with unlocked bootloader anymore. But t mobile could change their tune at any time as well. We won't know till the phones are out and can be checked.

Fourth, getting the 200$ off may be problematic to day the least. I am not sure how canceling your t mobile service after getting the phone will affect your chance of getting the rebate. It may be fine, but I would not count on it for sure. Technically t mobile could even ask for you to turn the phone back into them once you cancel service if you read their terms on their website. I don't think they would, but they can. Also, remember your phone will be locked to t mobile even if you pay full price. This is their policy for the first 40 days. You will have to pay for a third party to unlock it. So be prepared to pay an additional 30$ to 40$.

Just some things to keep in mind. Hope that helps you.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] rekman:
From everything I've read about getting the phone from Tmobile for use on ATT I've gathered the following...

1. Tmobile phone can be unlocked for ATT use by outside sources for a small fee. (I'm fine with that)

2. Tmobile bootloader will most likely be unlocked, making root inevitable.

3. Some people are able to buy tmobile phones at full price without getting a plan that needs to be cancelled. Some have to cancel the plan immediately and may be billed accordingly.

4. Tmobile's Terms of Service states that they could require the phone back if you cancel the plan despite buying the phone for full price. I haven't heard of this happening, but it's a potential issue.

I really want the Tmobile phone. If they make me get a plan with the phone, I don't have a problem canceling it once the phone is in my hands. But it would be nice to have definitive proof that they won't require the phone back or charge an obscene amount.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] Flame Red:
I have seen a couple of people post this same comment about weaker signal or slower speed on a TMOB phone used on T. However, I will say that if I have two identical T branded phones running the same software, side by side, and often I see very different signal strengths and speeds. So I would be very interested in hearing what the differences were in signal strength and speed. This would concern me greatly if the difference was very consistent and significant.

Also, would this problem be resolved if the T modem software was used on a TMOB phone or would that brick it?
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] gubbilo144:
I have the tmobile note 3. And when I was buying it from tmobile last year.,It depends on what employ u get. I could of bought the note 3 for full price with no plan or opt to buy it cheaper with a plan. I opted just to buy it outright 4 749.00.Got home unlocked it for 30 bucks been using it on at&t since. I do get lte on my tmobile note 3 just like my at&t note 3.It is going to be different 4 everyone what kind of reception or reception issues depending on location. If you pay full price 4 your tmobile note 4 they are not going to take back your phone you already purchased its yours, u will have to pay your service billing and data if u get a plan with it for what ever u used if u take it back if u don't like it in 14 days. I would suggest anyone who is thinking about getting the tmobile note 4 to use on at& t as I do to just try it if your not happy within 14 days take it back and get the at&t note 4.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] amtrucker22:
One other things I read just for clarification is that you will need to stick the TMO sim card in and activate the phone in order to 'Region Unlock' your phone.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] Flame Red:
I emailed cellunlocker.net since a Note 4 is headed my way. Here is their reply.

No Note 4 listed on their web site. I will try contacting them once I have the phone in my hand.

Anyone find any place else to Sim unlock the Note 4?
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] gubbilo144:
What about chainfires regional unlock apk he made for the note 3 last year,will that work.?
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] mircury:
That could be dangerous because it patches the modem I think. Use caution and have a backup plan in case it corrupts something on your phone.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] SB1205:
I plan to get the T-mobile version as well. Probably gonna go through some online site to get it unlocked.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] gubbilo144:
Thats the same one I used last year cellunlocker.net.I used it the same day the tmobile note 3 was released.I had my code in about an hour and was up and running my at&t service.I will use them this year also they r pretty quick
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] Flame Red:
They don't have it. I have been waiting about 24 hours so far. I think it is because it was not supposed to be released yet. They email me and have not given up yet. And they tell me not to worry they will refund if they cannot get it. But the question is when?
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] gubbilo144:
Hey unlock unit in the play store has the note 4 listed for unlock codes if u need them ,you have to downlowd the note 3 version then pick the note 4 out of the list.If anyone tries it let us know if it works
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] Flame Red:
yep, Unlockunit.com does indeed list the Note 4 but if you read their web reputation I would proceed with caution.

Ok, who wants to pony up? I already tried one vendor and it is someone else's turn now.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] gubbilo144:
I would but I dont have my note 4 yet,I didn't preorder I have to wait till friday.It figures the only time I dont pre order and preorders came early this year,every other year I preordered could of just went to store and got it,figures.If u dont have your unlock by friday.I'll try one the play store ones.I tried one from the play before but I cant remember which one it was worked fine and got my code
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] Flame Red:
I think the problem is that since it was released early, they don't have access to the codes yet. I am eager to cancel the TMOB service. The 14 day clock is ticking. Plus, I cannot get any TMOB signal and cannot make or receive TMOB calls in my house and if I go outside, I get 1 bar of TMOB edge. No way I would want to pay for their service for two years.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] mircury:
How would you be stuck paying for service for 2 years? I'm pretty sure they did away with contracts. Cancel anytime.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] Flame Red:
If TMOB did away with contracts, maybe, but not for me. When I pre-ordered it was clearly stated that I was required to take a 2 year contract. I have 14 days to cancel.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] amtrucker22:
I paid full price for the phone and with TMO and did will be monthly. I thought the idea was no contract, if you wanted to cancel and you financed your phone, you would have to pay the difference of your phone.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] cartertucker:
There is a guy in the TMo forum who reports successfully unlocking it and using it on T. I paid full retail for the TMo phone and waiting to receive. Hoping TMo does it for me for free but not counting on it since I am a new "customer" there. He paid ~$35
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] fcb1:
For t mobile to do it you need to be a customer for 40 days with the phone
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] aturyan:
If I were to purchase the phone with a plan, cancel the service, pay the phone outright, activate, and cancel the service, would the region unlock still be active even though I cancelled the service? Is the region unlock just a one time device specific thing?
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] cartertucker:
Similar for me, except I went telesales route. I paid full price for the phone $750 + tax. I am on the lowest post-paid plan and had to buy the $10 SIM. Will probably cancel in a day or two, keep the phone an SIM, unlock via online service for $20 and move to ATT.

Ordered phone Monday and it is delivered tomorrow.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] xlr8shun:
why do people buy the phone outright? just so they're not locked into a 2 year contract? (that they could buy out of, for the same price as buying the phone outright anyway)

im just wondering, because at&t doesn't give me any discount on monthly price after the 2 year contract. so im not sure why someone would willingly pay 826 dollars for a phone, when you could pay 300 instead, still pay the same monthly price, and if for some reason later, you decided that you didn't want to be in a contract. you could just cancel the contract and pay the amount remaining for the phone (which should equal somewhere around 826 dollars total)

so, why do you buy a phone outright?
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] cartertucker:
I bought phone outright on TMobile so I could take it to AT&T. If I wanted a locked-down AT&T phone, I would extend payments or get into a 2 year contract and cancel and pay the ETF. NPV of money makes sense to pay later rather than now.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] dawheat:
If you're on a mobile value plan (10GB of shared data or more), the cost per month for each line varies if the device is subsidized or not.

So for me - $100/mo for 10GB of shared data + unlimited voice and text (I happen to get 23% off this amount due to corporate discount). Then for each line (I have 3), I would have to pay $40/mo for a subsidized line and $15 for an unsubsidized line. Over a 2 year timeframe, that adds up $600 in higher monthly costs per line.

So for 3 unsubsidized lines, I pay $45/mo total on top of the shared data charge.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] eddiealiano:
is anybody having issues after unlocking the tmobile n4?? I have lose lte signal twince since I unlocked it.

:(:(:(
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] stu5797:
Sounds like we're in trouble. Another person was complaining about lost lte. Guess we have to get the crappy att note 4
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] Flame Red:
I only think a couple of people were lucky enough to get an unlock. Most of us have been waiting for the unlock from the various vendors.

APN settings correct? I am wondering if a build.prop change is needed? or perhaps some modem update?
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] eddiealiano:
I called costumer service twice, we went over the apn settings and everything looked fine... they also told me that att system recognizes my phone as a blackberry, not sure if that might be the issue.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] mircury:
This has been said before but make sure AT&T does not have your IMEI to your note 4 or you will lose LTE. Just take the sim card out and put it in your new phone without talking to AT&T. If you tell them your IMEI or they scan it, you will lose LTE. For LTE to work they should have any AT&T branded android LTE smartphone on your account, NOT your Tmobile note 4.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] fcb1:
What about taking the # of a display unit?
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] eddiealiano:
I do have lte signal, i lost it twice yesterday I don't know why. the Internet service seems slow as well..
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] amtrucker22:
What about us iPhone converters that are coming over from iOS? I don't know how to get around that yet other than getting a droid phone from craigslist and going in and asking for a new 'android' sim card.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] edouble312:
Mine works great on AT&T. Unlocked via a code on ebay:

SAMSUNG UNLOCK CODE GALAXY S1 S2 S3 S4 S5 NOTEs AT&T & T-MOBILE USA RELIABLE

Works just the same as my unlocked T-Mo Note 3, actually maybe slightly higher upload speed than my N3:

Now, this is in Chicago where service is usually stellar, so I can't comment about other areas and locking onto LTE. But I've seen no issues. Will be travelling to the far west suburbs tonight, so maybe I'll see if there's any issues

http://i.imgbox.com/AL9rWuCg.png

http://i.imgbox.com/LwI8Da0v.png

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I would try a nano to micro sim adapter, like the ones on amazon, and see if your iphone sim works.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] Flame Red:
Question to folks that have managed to get their TMOB phone unlocked and using it on T:

Looking at the thread http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=2464498 changing the APN is clear enough:

But should the build.prop also be changed? For example, the TMOB has:

ro.product.name=trltemo to maybe trlteatt ?

ro.product.device=trltetmo to maybe trlteatt ?

ro.build.product=trltetmo to maybe trlteatt ?

I am no developer, so perhaps a developer can chime in if this is something safe to try?
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] xlr8shun:
I cant say whether or not those will or will not work, will or will not break your phone.. try at your own risk, however I can provide the following info... if anyone wants to try, the correct text (according to my build.prop on my att galaxy note 4) is as follows:

ro.product.name=trlteuc

ro.product.device=trlteatt

ro.build.product=trlteatt

in my build prop, right above ro.build.product line, is a comment that says "ro.build.product is obsolete; use ro.product.device"

and the corresponding line in my build.prop reads:

ro.product.device=trlteatt
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] eroracing:
How do you read the build. Prop without root?
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] xlr8shun:
I installed FX file explorer from the play store.. once installed and opened.. click on the "system" button.. basically takes you to /

After you're in the root (/) then go into the system dir.. (/system) from there scroll down.. first file after the directories should be your build.prop.. open it up and read it..

Now of course without superuser permissions you can't make any changes...
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] eroracing:
Cool thx for the info!
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] gubbilo144:
Did you get your unlock code yet. Itried celluarunlock. Com and unlockunit and Im still waiting for them to give me my code.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] Flame Red:
I am still waiting for cellunlocker.net who I paid, who does reply when I inquire. I email that ebay store the-unlocking-team, and have not gotten any response from them yet. I got the order canceled from cellfservices.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] Goronok:
Yeah, you don't want them to get your IMEI. Just never take your phone into the store with you. You can go get a new SIM card for free at any point - don't take a phone in with you at all and tell them what phone you have. (tell them you have the AT&T note 4, etc)

It's not difficult and should take all of 2 minutes.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] amtrucker22:
I got my unlock code last night and was able to fab up a nano-->micro sim adapter. Everything seems to be working well so far. I have a real nano-->micro sim adapter on its way due to be here tomorrow.

Phone is showing 4g/LTE with good download/upload speeds that are comparable to my old iPhone 5 so far.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] sdlopez83:
The speeds shouldn't be comparable, they should be much higher for the new LTE band 17.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] Flame Red:
I changed the TMOB build.prop after making a backup copy and rebooted. I seem to get the T LTE icon in the status bar. No other ill effects noted so far. Make sure you don't fat finger it since we don't have TWRP yet!