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[X 2014 General] knitler:
FCC ID of Pure Edition is IHDT56QA1. Exhibit 13 Cover Letter, submitted to FCC by Motorola Mobility, says:

Motorola Mobility LLC; 8000 W. Sunrise Blvd.; Plantation, FL 33322 herein submits its application for certification of the multi-mode handset with FCC ID: IHDT56QA1.

The primary transceiver in this composite device operates in the 850 MHz Public Mobile Service (PMS), the 1700 MHz Advanced Wireless Service (AWS), and the 1900 MHz Personal Communications Service (PCS). It supports GSM signaling, and employs GPRS Class 12 and EDGE Class 12 capabilities. This transceiver also operates in the WCDMA mode in these bands.

Note:

This device also contains functions, and operates within frequency bands, that are not authorized within the United States or its territories. This filing is only applicable to supported US operations.

This mobile device is also equipped with an LTE transceiver.

This LTE transceiver supports high-speed wireless data communications within LTE Bands 2, 4, 5, 17, and 29, with channels up to 20 MHz in bandwidth.

TLDR: Pure Edition has LTE 2,4,5, 17, 29 per the FCC registration ID.
[X 2014 General] Kenmichi:
Unfortunately the 4G LTE bands VZW primarily covers are 07 and 13, the Pure Edition would be a perfect phone for VZW users that want an unlocked bootloader.

Shame...
[X 2014 General] fvc2000:
And band 7 would be great as a world phone. Canada, China, Cingapure, germany, france, brazil, chile, etc...
[X 2014 General] themcfly:
Don't know if anyone noticed this, but or if i understood anything wrong in this thread, but:

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Motorola-Mo...1MZS/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1411675556&sr=8-1

Scrolling down reveals a XT1092 version for this European variant.

Also curious if this is some sort of pure edition, because i'm willing to get the cleanest android build I can.
[X 2014 General] knitler:
There is a sprint version listed on Anantechs review too that is the 1092. So I have a feeling either eventually Sprint will get it, or its a EU version.
[X 2014 General] plcline:
A search on SM3947AE7B1 didn't list much. Expansys has it as well, http://www.expansys.com/motorola-moto-x-2nd-gen-16gb-black-266286/ , with some specs listed. Interesting that "This item can be delivered to the United States"
[X 2014 General] Galinha1:
Don't know if Pure ed. means unbranded . I have the XT 1097 model 32gb. unbranded , already got one update.
[X 2014 General] 0.0:
I think pure ed is XT1905?

Sent from my Nexus 4
[X 2014 General] erikiksaz:
Damn good detective work, it seems like we'll find out the real truth in the next coming weeks.
[X 2014 General] Al936:
I have made additional search in FCC documents and made comparison table of LTE bands from AnandTech review, US Moto web and FCC.
[X 2014 General] Slorks:
Hey you guys I'm just as disappointed as everyone else. I have personally spoken to the live chat on both the European and American website and they confirmed that the XT1092 for Europe lacks 03 which is a major band on all European providers and that XT1097 is infact the ATT variant that has the moat bands.

I want an unbranded variant that supports 03. According to the live chat on Motorola.com that's impossible.

Has anyone gotten a XT1097 that's unlocked and unbranded? That can confirm that it does in fact support cat 03?

Sigh Moto why why why
[X 2014 General] fvc2000:
In Brazil they are selling the XT1097 in retail unbranded. As far as I know, it's even on the same build than the Pure Version (acording to android central review of the Pure).

The only problem is that in Brazil its only availabe on black resin, white on bamboo, and black leather.
[X 2014 General] cb474:
The IHDT56QA3 (XT1092) is not the EU variant. The EU variant is IHDT56QA4 (XT1093/XT1094) and it supports LTE band 3. Read the thread and look at the links to specs in the last few posts, this information is available in multiple places above. Whoever you chatted with on the Motorola sites was just ignorant, which is typical. Customer service people are reading from scripts and don't understand these things.
[X 2014 General] Galinha1:
Mine is XT1097 , unlocked and unbranded . But cannot confirm 03 band fora ya, only tested in band 07 .
[X 2014 General] floepie:
There is no way that's true. Bands 3 (1800) and 20 (800) are the two most important LTE bands in W. Europe. Every site shows this band in the specs of for the EU version.
[X 2014 General] Slorks:
Exactly friend. But if you take a look at the UK website, you'll see that up and skipped out on band 03 aka 1800 MHz

I only care for that band the 03 if the pure supports I'd order it now but no one can confirm if it is infact supported on the pure.
[X 2014 General] floepie:
I took a look, and surely it's a mistake on their website. The UK uses the same bands as all of W. Europe (3,7,20). And, none of those bands are even listed for that model. Their information applies to an entirely different model (XT1092), which seems to geared for CDMA providers (Sprint and some in China). The UK will get the same version available for the rest of EU which will include bands 3,7, and 20, as indicated by many tech sites. The EU model is XT1093 (or XT1094).
[X 2014 General] Slorks:
Now hoping this model will support moto maker. So it's safe to say that the pure edition does not support 03 which is not a mistake it's not mentioned on the pure edition but on the att version.
[X 2014 General] godutch:
These bands only work in crowded places in big cities, my provider uses the 800 MHz band (I chose the provider for this band as it assures the best lte coverage)
[X 2014 General] fvc2000:
I understand.

But for me, as I only go to main cities and central places, I always get LTE coverage through band 7.

Too bad about band 3.

But isn't it supposed to migrate most of the traffic to band 7 over time? I mean, in the future?
[X 2014 General] Slorks:
So you guys for sure the Pure Edition doesn't support LTE 3 there's no mistake on the website about that right?
[X 2014 General] matt99017d:
As far as I know all of the bands are there, but some are locked down via the firmware. Is there any way for us to unlock those bands?
[X 2014 General] Slorks:
You think if we get a pure edition and flash att IMG on it it would work?

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Or the XT1092 IMG. Its already available in India
[X 2014 General] Slorks:
XT1095 the Pure Edition is software restricted to not support lots of bands. The hardware supports

2/3/4/5/7/17/29

I found a thread on XDA that allows anyone to unlock all bands from software restrictions. Does this really work?

FYI this is the link that I was on

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moto_X_(2nd_generation)
[X 2014 General] Jayrod1980:
So where is that thread about unlocking the software to get the other bands? I can't seem to find it on here. Perhaps you are talking about the nexus 4?
[X 2014 General] Slorks:
Its this one

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=2871269
[X 2014 General] INFRNL:
This thread is depressing. I bought the Pure to use on ATT without all the bs loaded on it and being BL locked, etc. From what I'm reading, the pure doesn't fully support Att's LTE
[X 2014 General] sabbotage:
It supports every LTE band AT&T uses in the US. Some people are reporting that AT&T is using band 5 in the Vermont area, but if you don't live there you are perfectly fine.
[X 2014 General] Slorks:
This is a depression g thread
[X 2014 General] tvlerizle:
xxx

a friend gave a lot of detailed information
[X 2014 General] floepie:
But, it does though with the exception of band 5, which is only used in very select areas of the US. If you're not in one of those areas, why would this be a deal breaker? If you happen to land in one of those areas on travel, surely HSDPA would cover your needs.

That said, while the iphone has its issues in "bendgate", it might be time to start calling this "bandgate".
[X 2014 General] INFRNL:
Thanks. I guess I should be ok for now. It's just sad that supposedly the ATT version has more bands than the Pure :confused: Also it is not a deal breaker, I actually have the pure waiting for me at home. I guess I expected the Pure to be the best choice in covering all bands besides cdma. I'm sure I will be fine, but I do travel the country. As long as it covers ATT and/or straight talk; then I'm good.

Being a truck driver, I need service as much as possible. Unfortunately this is why I have to carry ATT and Verizon phones, seems to be the only solution to maintaining coverage across the country; However there are still many areas neither work. T-Mobile is out of the question, their service sucks anywhere outside of major cities/towns.

I also like the statement about "Bandgate" :highfive:
[X 2014 General] sogrady:
as promised earlier in this thread, have a field report on the pure edition from vermont. it's a good news / bad news kind of thing, i'm afraid.

the bad news is that where i am, at least, in middlebury, vt the pure edition is not connecting to LTE - network is 4G HSPA.

the good news is that download speeds on that network have been comparable with, and in some cases exceed, my wife's iphone 6: moto x has been ~6 at the low end, ~13 at the high end vs her ~11.7.

so the net is that the evidence suggests that the LTE band 5 isn't active on the pure as has been speculated, but for practical purposes it hasn't mattered much.
[X 2014 General] ccrider0909:
Research and found this;

There’s some confusion over the new Moto X. One model – number XT1092 – is compatible with all of T-Mobile’s bands, including band 12, 700MHz A-block. But the model Motorola’s currently selling unlocked with a T-Mo SIM isn’t that model. And it’s not band 12 compatible. We’ll keep an eye on any changes, but perhaps T-Mobile is planning to sell a version through its own channels at some point.

Article dated 09/22/2014 from TmoNews->due to limited posts, I'm not allowed to post links
[X 2014 General] Note10.1Dude:
That will not be the case. The model under discussion has bands for T-mo and Sprint, which were discussing merger at the time. Merger is dead, model is dead (at least as a T-mo model).
[X 2014 General] floepie:
A moto rep on their forums has stated that bands 3, 5, and 7 will be "unlocked" in a coming update for the Pure edition.
[X 2014 General] fvc2000:
https://forums.motorola.com/comment/813057

Lets hope they keep their promise, and fast.
[X 2014 General] BrokenWall:
I have a Pure and basically when I am at work, I get connected to LTE but I am unable to do anything at all with data. I did a speedtest and get 0.05Mbps.

Anyone know an app that will tell me what Band I am currently using so I can check to compare my New X to my OG X for signal differences. The *#*#4636#*#* code doesn't work on this phone.

right now the only info I can seem to compare is that my OG X has Band 5 & 7 where my new X Pure does not.
[X 2014 General] plcline:
Try LTE Discovery
[X 2014 General] BrokenWall:
Awesome that worked perfectly. I just cant seem to figure out then why I am getting 0.05-0.29Mbps down when my Moto X use to get 5-7Mbps previously. It is so bad that nothing really loads.
[X 2014 General] plcline:
First thing that comes to mind is have you checked with a reboot?
[X 2014 General] BrokenWall:
Yes indeed, reboot and such. I think they just need an update to fix the radio. While the signal is good LTE 3bars the data isnt
[X 2014 General] nimper:
Wow, Matt the forums manager is very good at his job. Great to see someone who gets it!
[X 2014 General] plcline:
Roger that!
[X 2014 General] fvc2000:
XT1097 radio on XT1095?

Is it possible, if Motorola takes to long to update the radio of the XT1095, to flash the XT1097 modem on it?

In order to have the other LTE bands unlocked?
[X 2014 General] cb474:
Other people have already mentioned and linked to the Moto representative in the Moto forums who said a software update to the Pure Edition will enable bands 3, 5, and 7.

He also said in a subsequent post that the Pure will not support band 12. https://forums.motorola.com/posts/d766a5d90a?commentId=813217#813217

Bummer.

At least they're correcting the stupidity where the AT&T version with the same hardware has more bands enabled thant the Pure Edition. And I guess we should feel good that they did listen to user feedback on that. I'm not used to user feedback making any difference with handset manufacturers, especially in a relatively short period of time. But for those of us on T-Mobile the lack of band 12 is pretty head scratching. It's the opposite of future proofing. Future defeating?
[X 2014 General] 0.0:
Not including band 12 is smart, in a marketing sense. Add it later, possibly increasing revenue. But doing their best to make their current product the best it can be will also help in people buying the next one, when the time comes. This is why customer service is what makes or breaks a company imo

I do wish they added band 12...oh well

sent from my Moto X (2014)
[X 2014 General] cb474:
I really don't see how it's smart. It's just annoying people who know better. And people who don't know better and live in areas where band 12 will be important will spend a lot of money on a fancy phone, only to discover it gets poor reception, when other current phones, like the Galaxy S5, do fine in the same locations. Knowing nothing about bands, they will conclude that the Moto is a crappy phone that they wasted money on and Samsung is better. How is that smart?

Or are you saying it's smart, because it's plain old planned obsolesence? I don't think that's smart either.

I imagine the reason there is no band 12 is not some "clever" marketing strategy at all. Probably it just has to do with the chipset and how much money Motorola wanted to spend on it. I'm sure those radios that cover twenty LTE bands like in the iPhone cost more money. Motorola is trying to sell a flagship phone at lower than flagship prices (compared to the S5, iPhone). They have to cheap out somewhere. Obscure hardware that doesn't cover less used bands is an area they can get away with.

In the short run no one will notice. But in the long run it will just be one of those little things, that aren't quite right (like the bad battery life) that make Moto's phone not seem to "just work" like the best sellers out there. And I think those little things people notice, even if they don't understand the technology behind it, and they add up over the long haul. That is not smart marketing. (And again, I really doubt anyway that it is a marketing strategy, because it would be an bizarre strategy focusing on a technical detail that few everyday customers understand.)
[X 2014 General] 0.0:
To me, band 12 is not that important since it is only in select markets. Where I live, band 12 is not even available. Even when it does go live, that's in mid-2015 or so, and I don't think it will all turn on at once.

I understand the frustration and annoyance, and I was saddened that it did not have band 12. But by the time I buy a new phone, say, in 2016, I am sure band 12 will be in many more places and more solid. Heck, maybe tech will be advanced enough and signal won't be as big of a problem as it is now (probably unlikely, but possible). Even the iPhone 6 does not have band 12, but will you say they're dumb? Apple adding one more band may have cost too much? The iPhone's profit margin is huge, and I doubt adding one more band will harm the margin. It may be a marketing tactic, setting up for the next iPhone. If it is a marketing thing, then fine. Sucks, but that won't stop me from buying one (if I wanted one). And bad battery is overblown. My Moto X is fine. Depends on usage, as with any phone. Everyone has this expectation for a phone to hit a certain mark, and I really don't understand why. Bigger phones for bigger batteries is all we will get, and that is an option. Battery tech needs to get better soon

iPhone users could care less since band 12 is not even available and they would not call it a crappy phone even if they had bad signal lol
[X 2014 General] BrokenWall:
The issue here is not the phone being better. Samsung is the number 1 android phone because they market. Look at the HTC One M7 & M8, those are both great phones that feel better in hand than a Galaxy. Here we are with Moto Xs and they appeal to use because we look over the idea behind a phone. Most people who buy a Moto X buy it for the pureness of the phone.

Samsung on the other list drops insane amounts into marketing, and they also come out with a feature list of little things that seems like they added any feature someone emailed them about. One of the coworkers here said he keeps noticing new thins his Galaxy does every day. Hell even 2-3 months after having his S5 he is noticing features. The phones are advertized to do things with other Samsung phones. So if you have a group of friends who all have iPhones, you are probably going to buy and iPhone. The same goes with Samsung.

I was in a bestbuy picking up an LG Optimus G and the guy in front of me was upset cause the Galaxy S3 was sold out. I told him to look at the LG, he said the screen looks better, and it was half the price on contract. He was asking why isn't this phone being bought as much, and I told him because people don't talk about it and it isn't marketed as well. He still turned around and put his name down for 3 Galaxy S3s because they were what everyone has.
[X 2014 General] 0.0:
It's actually sad to see that Android now is like the iPhone. People are like sheep and just buy Samsung just because. Samsung is the Apple of Android now. I still think iPhone users are worse though lol

sent from my Nexus 7
[X 2014 General] Note10.1Dude:
Samsung makes a very good product for most users. Technologically superior to the iPhones of the same generation (I expect Galaxy 6 to match/beat all of the iPhone 6 specs - the Note 4 already beats the 6+) and most users really don't care about how locked-down and bloated it is. They do have the laggy-ness of touchwiz/Magazine UX against them, but with the current processor generation, it isn't that noticeable.

It is funny to me Motorola always "almost" gets it. I've had a series of Motorola phones going back to StarTac around 2002/3. They have always been solid. I greatly appreciate that they brought out the late 2014 X that is able to go head-to-head with the other major's (Samsung, LG, HTC, Sony, etc) late 2013 to early 2014 models, for about 25% less cost than those. But they cut corners in funny places. The supported LTE bands being the biggest - I would think a single radio design with broad coverage would save them so much in design, parts stock, support, etc. that it would be worth it. The lack of mSD in their top-end phone, but having it in the cheap ones is another (but I understand the Google influence for that decision).

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And to stay on topic, the UK model is now shipping, but no confirmed news of what bands are included. The ones listed my Motorola are not the common UK LTE bands. Anybody have one yet? Anybody figure out what is supported? Anybody buy one? I don't see a model number listed for it yet.
[X 2014 General] cb474:
I understand where you're coming from about band 12 not being that important to you. At the end of the day, I don't know that it will stop me from getting the phone either. I just disagree that the lack of band 12 has anything to do with a marketing strategy. It would be the stupidest marketing strategy every devised, based on a technical detail no one knows about. All the average user will know is that their Moto X does not get as good reception in some places as their friend's Galaxy S5. And the only conclusion they will come to is that the Samsung phone is better in that respect. They will not think, ooo, now I'm geared up to get the next Moto X so I can have band 12. They will think, I don't know if I want another Moto X, because they don't have as good reception as Samsung phones and I want to get better reception at home (work, wherever). If that's Motorola's strategy, they are morons.

As I said, Motorola either could not be bothered or it was about being cheap. And yes, I think it is also dumb that the iPhone 6 doesn not cover band 12. The phone covers 20 LTE bands, but not band 12. Makes no sense. Of course, Apple's strategy is to have one phone that covers as much of the world as possible, so maybe there do start to be technical or cost limits to getting in even more than 20 LTE bands. Still I do think Apple is also just as capable of being cheap as anyone and maybe going beyond 20 bands would have cost more than they wanted to spend. How do you think they get those huge profit margins you mention? Through a combination of people being willing to pay a premium for their products and spending as little as possible to make those products. Apple is watching every penny. They are notorious for grinding suppliers into the dust in negotiations (who in the end don't make money off supplying Apple, so much as just being able to say they make X part for Apple and therefore attract other customers that way). There were also whole generations of iMacs whose motherboards failed, because Apple put cheap capacitors in them, that were vulnerable to the notorious "capacitor plague" in the 2000s. Apple cheaps out all the time. They put some nice materials in their designs to make things pretty pretty, but they don't make the most solid devices (bendgate is a good example--I read a very technical explanation by a materials scientist about how the iPhone 6 has an intrinsically weaker design than Samsung phones, not because of the aluminum body, as many people think, but because of the internal geometry--Apple cared more about making the thinnest phone than the most durable one).

Anyway, this is even more off topic, but are any of you people who actually have the 2nd Gen. Moto X Pure Edition experiencing this problem: http://xdaforums.com/moto-x-2014/help/t-mobile-tethering-verification-t2888311? Apparently the new Moto X is blocking people from tethering on T-Mobile.
[X 2014 General] 0.0:
s5 doesn't have band 12 either. and i think the moto x will have the better reception. so far with my moto x, i have been getting more bars where i am at than my n4. it is also more consistent. that metal band around it does help

makes sense. and I am learning some new things and a different perspective through this, so thanks for that. let's hope that the next Nexus phone doesn't have band 12 so we both feel good about the Moto X :p. but seriously, i think the next one will have band 12

off topic: so there is more to bendgate than just soft metal. now that's interesting. thin is good, but iPhone is way too thin for my liking at this point. could i have a link to the article? i need to bust out that link to all these iPhone people i meet lol.
[X 2014 General] pipesdl:
Hi All,

Canadian here. Telus now has the Moto x but I'm not a fan of their current pricing. If I were to have a friend in the US order me the Pure edition would it work on Telus? From what I've read I think it will but would appreciate a second opinion.
[X 2014 General] erikiksaz:
It's not blocking people--ONE person has complained about it, and we don't even know what type of plan he has. I for one, use it on T-mo and the pure works fine for tethering.