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[Nexus 5 General] spc_hicks09:
Ok so using Hangouts for voice calls, while connected to my home wifi, will not use my minutes, nor any of my unlimited data, correct? So essentially, you could use this device to make calls over wifi, without ever having to actually have a t-mobile plan?
[Nexus 5 General] kevev:
You are correct on all points.

Sent from my Nexus 5
[Nexus 5 General] MrObvious:
I'm surprised at the quality of Hangouts. I have Cricket and have tried using the Hangouts app and it works great with my N5. Id recommend it if anyone wants to use the T-Mobile plan.
[Nexus 5 General] Joshmccullough:
Slight off topic.... How do you like Cricket? Thinking of switching to them because their coverage/ATT's is better than TMo in northern areas of Michigan we go to a few times a year.
[Nexus 5 General] Chief Brody:
Echo

Do any of you have problems when using a wired headset while on a hangouts call? The other party complains of hearing an echo of themselves and I verified this when I called a test call number (that plays back your own voice to you). It makes it totally unusable. However, it works fine when on speaker or through the earpiece. I'm just coming from an N4 with the same set up and I had no problem so there seems to be something specific to the N5 and this echo problem. Would love to see a fix.

I'm rooted on a stock ROM with xposed. Not sure why this would matter though as it didn't on my N4.
[Nexus 5 General] whitedragonz83:
I switched in January and love Cricket(previously AIO). Convinced a co-work (who i previously convinced to be on the $30 plan). He regrets waiting so long to change to Cricket as the coverage is excellent and the minutes being unlimited helped him a lot.
[Nexus 5 General] MrObvious:
I like it. Honestly the phone CS kinda sucks as they are very scripted and don't seem to listen. But for the service itself it is great. I will say though they made an error because we went from the $50 to $60 plan midmonth on my wife's line but it said we owed a full month then shut us off after a day or two.

We talked to a manager who not only got it turned back on but gave us from that day forward 30 days of service. I was happy and then some.
[Nexus 5 General] yaconsult:
Well, I was able to try hangout calls in the car on the highway last week. For me, it did not work well. It either wouldn't connect at all or the person I was calling would say that my voice kept dropping out and they were missing too many words. I tried it again a couple of days later and it was not really usable - too many dropouts. In my area, in a moving car, it just doesn't seem to be a viable option - I wish it were. It works fine from home on my wifi connection, but not while driving around town.

So, I'm glad that I'm using Harbor Mobile to access t-mobile service and have unlimited minutes. The cell calls were perfect when the hangout calls were unusable.
[Nexus 5 General] whitedragonz83:
Every VOIP solution I tried on this $30 plan ended the same. Stationary, especially a good LTE or WiFI signal, no one complained during calls. If I were moving, it basically never worked, or not well enough.
[Nexus 5 General] yaconsult:
I am glad to hear that it's not just me. 100 minutes was just not enough and when I looked at how much data I was actually using, the plan with unlimited voice made more sense for me for the same price. I guess I just use my phone more in the car than elsewhere.
[Nexus 5 General] vboyz103:
Huh, I had a completely different experience. Moving or not, all calls are very clear and the other person heard me perfectly. I think it's very dependent on the LTE coverage in the area, mine is very good.
[Nexus 5 General] yaconsult:
You are a lucky man! In my area, the signal varies all over the place - everything from full LTE to less than one bar 3G. And I'm in Silicon Valley, not out in the boonies! It's not unusual for me to get a "can't reach google" popup when I'm trying to search for something.

So under these conditions, it made sense for me to change to a plan that gave up some data in exchange for unlimited voice. That's why I switched to Harbor Mobile that uses the same TMO service. Maybe my TMO LTE will improve in my area as Voice over LTE becomes more popular.
[Nexus 5 General] j'vai:
if anyone wants to count a tmobile mvno as testimony, this setup works beautifully on tmobile's hspa channel (it wasn't even hspa+) & hangouts didn't use tons of data, for casual usage..

I used a global truphone pre paid sim for 3 days, (with uses tmobile's network here on the east coast) & I only utilized the data connection, for EVERYTHING, it worked beautifully -

my experience started here -

http://forums.androidcentral.com/google-nexus-5/436152-nexus-5-likely-see-wi-fi-calling-over-t-mobile-soon-5.html#post3929214

& recap of costs here -

http://www.howardforums.com/showthread.php/1841660-Does-anyone-here-use-Truphone-for-data?p=15612364#post15612364

in my instant, it totaled about $2. a day for normal usage, sweet.. it would probably be just the same on native tmobile pre paid sim
[Nexus 5 General] jnbanda:
Did you ever figure out a solution for your "unknown number" call status?
[Nexus 5 General] jnbanda:
How is your plan coming along? I think I might know what's going on with your minutes being deducted.
[Nexus 5 General] chaco81:
Yes. I didn't have a google voice number. Once I got a google voice number in minutes it sync and calls came to hangouts. Make sure in GV settings website u don't fwd calls to your real # or both apps will ring.
[Nexus 5 General] jnbanda:
That's great you figured it out. I was going to offer an explanation, but it seems you got it all figured out. Happy VoIP-ing!
[Nexus 5 General] scottjb:
I'm curious. This seems like a bit of trouble to go though when $60 per month ($2 per day) can get you an unlimited calling plan on T-Mobile's Simple Choice plans. Why not get the unlimited calling plan?
[Nexus 5 General] j'vai:
becasue the general idea, was to test hangouts / gv calling on tmobile's network, right?

ok;

in my 1st link -

"my experience started here -

http://forums.androidcentral.com/goo...ml#post3929214"

i typed -

"I have a truphone sim, that was collecting dust in my wallet for the longest, last night I decided to try something,

*use it*, lol

it had like $39 odd on it in credit, as stated, I'm a current sprint sub, with google voice integration, I've gave the truphone number to no one, it's basically dormant, minus test calls to keep the account alive, but it's no contact number for me..

what I'm did last night was swap my sprint sim, for the truphone sim, to utilize it's data, while still having my main sprint number via google voice, which I can receive & make, calls, videochat, mms, sms via hangouts, I've set hangouts to *receive incoming calls* since the native dialer isn't tied to the sprint sim anymore (so no double rings from hangouts & the native dialer)...

I want to see how far that $39 will take me.."

.............

to test hangouts / gv telephony as a replacement, for *me*, it would have seemed like a bit of trouble to go though to go & purchase a tmobile sim, that would run out at the end of the month,

verses going in my back pocket & retreiving the truphone sim *that gave me access to tmoble's network anyways* & still after a month, that credit remains to be used in

Albania, Andorra, Argentina, Austria, Belarus, Belgium, Bosnia & Herzegovina, Brazil, Bulgaria, Canada, China, Croatia, Cyprus, Czech Republic, Denmark, Estonia, Faroe Islands, Finland, France, French Guiana, Gibraltar, Greece, Guadeloupe, Guernsey, Hungary, Iceland, Ireland, Isle of Man, Italy, Japan, Jersey, Latvia, Liechtenstein, Lithuania, Luxembourg, Macedonia, Malta, Martinique, Mayotte, Mexico, Monaco, Montenegro, New Zealand, Norway, Portugal, Ukraine, Reunion Island, Romania, Russia, San Marino, Serbia, Singapore, Slovakia, Slovenia, Sweden, Switzerland, Turkey, Vatican City

(but at slightly higher rates)

but in these countries -

Australia, Germany, Hong Kong, Netherlands, Poland, Spain, United Kingdom, United States

for the same rates..

the truphone sim is back in my wallet, dormant, with $33.. which i haven't topped off in 5 months
[Nexus 5 General] scottjb:
Asked and answered! :) Thanks.
[Nexus 5 General] BirchBarlow:
Actually prepaid plans with unlimited airtime start at $40/month (data hard-capped at 500 MB) but to get 5 GB soft-capped data with unlimited airtime you have to spend $70/month. $40/month more may not be a lot to you, but for some people it could be the difference between being able to put enough food on the table or put gas in the car to go to work. For $30/month the 100 minutes is a good compromise and the GV integration in Hangouts allows you to conserve airtime when you have internet connectivity.
[Nexus 5 General] scottjb:
I understand, I'm not questioning this (what you wrote). The post I responded to referred to spending $60 for the month but that was explained.
[Nexus 5 General] PaisanNYC:
Data is data, if you are on cellular/mobile or wifi. You are just using the wrong context. So for your point, you are correct. If you are connected via wifi, you will not be charged against your mobile plan's allotment.
[Nexus 5 General] baiju2012:
After getting the Nexus 5 (LTE), Hangouts App (with Dialer App) + GV Phone has reliably replaced the T-Mobile number. Now I truly have unlimited plan for $30 a month. I love it. :D

Nexus V
[Nexus 5 General] Joshmccullough:
Posted this in another forum, but figured I'd cast the net wide....

Whenever i get a call to my Google Voice number, Hangouts Dialer rings first and then a few seconds later my regular phone/Dialer rings. I've got my regular cell number unchecked in the GV web settings, 'Incoming GV Calls Rings Hangouts' selected in Hangouts Dialer, GV app uninstalled, but nothing seems to fix this. Anyone else have this happen/know what i might be missing to fix this?
[Nexus 5 General] BirchBarlow:
It sounds like Google Voice is set to forward to your carrier number.
[Nexus 5 General] Joshmccullough:
I've triple-checked that but it's unchecked on the GV website......that's why I'm stumped, maybe it's just a server/Google-side gaffe or something. Just like me getting GV voicemail/forwarding to work on the prepaid plan, it'll probably just magically work itself out all of a sudden at some point.

EDIT: Well, I deleted my carrier number/phone from the GV website, so now it's only ringing Hangouts; problem now is that there's no audio when I pick up; I can't hear anything on my cell phone nor on the phone I'm calling from. Well, I'm a step closer anyway......

EDIT pt. II - Return of the Edit:

I think I figured it out; the phone I was using to test my Hangouts Dialer in-coming call settings was my home phone, which I've got set as a forwarding phone in GV. I got a call this AM from a co-worker: went straight through Hangouts Dialer, no secondary ringing through normal dialer. I think I'll just have to get rid of the home phone on the GV website, then it'll probably be just fine.
[Nexus 5 General] stratowhammy:
Force Hangouts to use mobile?

So I also have a T-Mobile data only plan on my cell phone and have been successfully using Hangouts to make all my calls. I notice that packets drop when I walk around my house on wifi during a call. I was wondering if there was some kind of tweak or app out there that would allow me to force hangouts to use my mobile data plan even when wifi is on? I don't even know if this is possible, but it would be great if it was.
[Nexus 4 General] migueldbr:
Can anyone explain to me what is better?

I know that underclocking reduces cpu frequency, which means lower temperatures and also better battery, but performance is worse, so it takes longer to complete tasks...but if it takes longer to complete tasks, it means it will also have screen on for a longer time right?so it saves power from the cpu, but keeping the screen on for that extra time also means it will consume extra power right?

About undervolting, is it better to undervolt or to underclock when it comes to battery life?i know that with undervolting there is less heat produced because of the reduced voltages. From what i have read (i dont know if it is correct) the power consumption is given by this equation: P = f*c*(V^2) where f is frequency, c is capacitance and v is voltage. It makes sense that reducing voltage means less heat, but if i reduce CPU frequency it also produces less heat because it reduces power. Most of the time i read that underclock is better for battery because it uses less power, but like i said earlier, it takes longer to complete tasks and in result i have to keep the screen on for a longer time.

About hotplugging, i have seen some users with good battery life screenshots, and mentioning that they disabled hotplugging, because they said that turning cores on and off also wastes energy. So is it better to hotplug or not?

would really like to get some answers because i know nothing about this..I also know that i could test each setting and and see which is better, but i dont use my phone the same way everyday so its kind of hard to determine...
[Nexus 4 General] RASTAVIPER:
Short version and after extending testing (2 cores max, -175Uv, underclocking at 1000 or 1300mHz) with different kernels and always on stock Rom,

the result was that there was no noticeable difference at the battery life with a normal setup of using of 4 cores at normal max freq of 1512mhz.

A custom kernel in comparison to the stock kernel makes more sense cause of the optimization they offer for performance and battery life.

Unleashed from Onda v957m on TDT
[Nexus 4 General] migueldbr:
nice to have some feedback from someone that tested=p. what about hotplugging? Today i disabled hotplugging and had always 4 cores on and it does not seem to be wasting more battery than with hotplugging enabled
[Nexus 4 General] n2d551:
These studies were done by bedalus on the Nexus S, but alot pertains today. Alot of useful information here

http://xdaforums.com/nexus-s/general/ref-battery-drain-benchmarks-t1478406

Sent from my Nexus 4
[Nexus 4 General] RASTAVIPER:
Also lot of discussion about Uv here

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=2137034

Unleashed from Onda v957m on TDT
[Nexus 4 General] migueldbr:
totally forgot about bedalus experiments!i had a Nexus S at the time and saw that post, but back then i didnt mess around with anything on my phone so i completely forgot=p.thanks!

The only thing he doesnt adress is hotplugging(the Nexus S was single core so he couldnt even if wanted=p). Anyone care to shed some light on hotplugging?is it really worth it or there are minimal gains?
[Nexus 4 General] C4SCA:
There are different hotplugging methods.

The stock one as a boost feature, as soon as u touch the screen ur decvice goes to dual core 1026mhz for a couple seconds even if the load is super low.

Custom kernels have many variants on the hotplugging "style". Most of them dont have the touch boost included to save battery (but u can have the same kind of touch boost enabled by the governor, ex: franco kernel). Others simply advise u to turn off hotplugging == less calculation of the load to decide if the device needs to plug it or not + no waiting time to get the performance boost of many cores online (since all 4 are already online) + somewhat more heat since all cores are allways draining battery.

Im no expert and i hope all i said is right, at leats its what i know.

What i personally look for is:

Min core 1

Max cores 4

No touch boost (no heat while u are simply texting via sms on 2G with data and wifi OFF)

sent from my diabetic Nexus 4 (too many KitKats).
[Nexus 4 General] migueldbr:
actually touch boost and hotplugging are different things...touch boost is a feature where as soon as you touch the screen, the cpu ramps up the frequency to the specified touch boost frequency. Hotplugging is a different thing, where cores of the cpu are turned on and off when the phone does not need them to be on all at the same time. I know that touch boost drains more battery, but i dont know about hotplugging...would like to see some tests/benchmarks, but i dont think there are any...
[Nexus 4 General] C4SCA:
Different things but on stock kernel touch boost is implemented on the hotplug and not the governor.

Any difference btw 4 cores online or hotplugging must minor, and have draw backs on heat wich affects the battery capacity.

Eventhough u can say that hotplugging may drain an amount of battery to plug and unplug cores, i would say its minor.

Talk to [MENTION=1811927]simms22[/MENTION] , he is the "trinity kernel guy", four cores online is a must for him

sent from my diabetic Nexus 4 (too many KitKats).
[Nexus 4 General] Oxious119:
From my experience, under clocking as well as running a 2 core setup doesn't change anything for the better. Most times for the worst due to a worse user experience.

Undervolting is something that, solely from the physical side, cannot make things worse (unless you under clock too much). Undervolting will make your CPU cores use less current. Less current running through an electric circuit always means less heat, too.

To put it simple:

If my regular voltage at 384mhz is 950mv and I lower the voltage to 800mv and after testing it proves to run stable my device now uses 150mv less on that frequency.
[Nexus 4 General] fahadsul3man:
no matter what you do , its still going to be a mediocre battery life , best leave it as it is because the way nexus 4 is designed its still going to be getting annoyingly warm on games
[Nexus 4 General] Oxious119:
Well, from my own experience undervolting definetly reduced heat and made the battery last longer. Don't expect 2 hours more sot, though. Its most notably while the device is idle.
[Nexus 4 General] yashshan:
nice man

very helpful...
[Nexus 4 General] BboyDeepesh:
Help pls..

Can any1 help me undervolting Unleashed kernel.. providing tips or the link ll be vry helpfull..
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note II] jappel2:
Without the help of Banjanman, I would still be on a stock 4.4.2. He walked me through it all with patience, and now it's up and running. But what I want to share is I finally got a baseband and phone service. (For whatever reason the previous 5 or so flashes I had no phone service). But I didn't have LTE, and a speed test was about 3 mbps, whereas Wifi was about 15-20 mbps. So......I restored the phone to my nandroid stock backup, and wrote down the APN info. Went back to the backup of DN3, and I noticed DN3 had wap cingular stuff, so I deleted it all, and put in the stock att info, and Bingo.......4g LTE and speed test was about 16 mbps.....maybe this will help others who might have the same prob.

Thanks.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note II] slicingtaco:
Great to hear this, the ROM is just pure gold. But for future reference this should of gone under the Q/A thread that already existed.
[Xoom Android Development] dabanhfreak:
new sticky please
[Xoom Android Development] matt4321:
Do we still have any hardcore xoomers who haven't upgraded to BigPart and want TWRP 2.8? I've made one (untested since I'm on BigPart).

[MENTION=1515895]webeougher[/MENTION] was going to be my tester but I sent it to him 2 days ago and hasn't replied so if anyone wants to test ping me and I'll send a link. If it is functional I'll publish it here.
[Xoom Android Development] webeougher:
Sorry, Matt, been working 14+ hours a day the last three days and I just wanted to actually put it through its paces and make sure nothing was broken. I haven't really flashed any roms with it because I'm staying with stock, but it did install with no issues and I was able to use it to flash a root package.
[Xoom Android Development] tnfsmith:
Matt4321, I installed TWRP 2.8 for a couple weeks ago and everything flash over him junctional. Feel free to report here (Bigpart)

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[Xoom Android Development] matt4321:
Update to TWRP 2.8.1.0:

This is only for BigPart users, I'll update Non-BigPart in the coming days when I have some time.

Changes:

-MTP fixes and improvements - you can now copy zips to the root of storage - thanks to _that

-TrueType Font support - optional as it takes up a decent amount of space so may not be available on all devices - thanks to Tassadar

-Temperature support - thanks to bigbiff

-Various other bugfixes and tweaks

Regarding adding Temperature support, this currently is not working on Xooms (well my Xoom at least), if users can report if it works on theres.

This is due to the lack of the /sys/class/thermal/ directory and content. After some research and looking at documentation I think the thermal aspect needs to be added/enabled in the kernel (ref) . The thermal aspect may just be in a different location on the Xoom and then we can change the location of where the recovery thinks it is. I may be wrong with some of this, so if someone wants to chip in and advise that'd be great.

So this is mainly bug fixes and a change of font.
[Xoom Android Development] hochoch:
DL link or am I just not seeing it¿
[Xoom Android Development] matt4321:
In the OP ;)
[Xoom Android Development] bigrushdog:
[MENTION=4393511]matt4321[/MENTION] hit my profile and email me when you can. I'm working on something (take a wild guess ;0) and I need some backup.
[Xoom Android Development] tnfsmith:
First post in hidden content
[Xoom Android Development] matt4321:
Hey [MENTION=470268]bigrushdog[/MENTION] , email sent, got it from your PayPal donation section. Hope that's cool. If you want to converse via the xda PM function let us know
[Xoom Android Development] Albert52:
Recovery 2.8.1.0-BigPart

Matt4321,

Can I flash this recovery on Everest?

Thanks for all your work.:confused:
[Xoom Android Development] matt4321:
Yeah it should be fine, as long as it's not any of the Hong Kong versions it should work on wingray, stingray and everest
[Xoom Android Development] Albert52:
Thanks again.

Just flashed it and all works fine.

I hesitated to flash because the download file did not mentioned Everest
[Xoom Android Development] matt4321:
That just because I have a wingray, probably should have named it xoom but oh well.

Wingray, stingray and everest are all the same internally other than RIL related stuff, so even roms can be cross flashed but you'd lose data connectivity in some circumstances
[Xoom Android Development] tnfsmith:
I dared to flash 2.8.1 stingray over 2.8.0 everest by trusted on you without asked for few day ago ;)

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[Xoom Android Development] mrbreit:
Can i use this version to make bigpart repartitioning?
[Xoom Android Development] matt4321:
Just flashing a bigpart recovery will not repartition the device for you. You must follow the instructions in the resource centre which is in the development section
[Xoom Android Development] brewer75:
Matt, this 2.8.1.0 recovery is working great for me, but I do have a question in case this ever happens to me (although I'm not sure how this would happen). I noticed the following post in the CM11 string and wondered if he could just flash TWRP over CWM. Since he thought he still had big part would it be possible to change recoveries or would that really mess things up?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kingsman1

Hey Schischu, day before yesterday,I was informed by my SU software that I needed to upgrade the SU. I went ahead and did it. During this upgrade I was told that there was a problem with my root and I was told it to repair it. After this was finished, at some point I went into recovery, only to discover that my TWRP recovery has been replaced with a CWM recovery. It doesn't appear to have modified my Big-Part partition Xoom in any way except that pressing the on/off button is very difficult to work with to accomplish any task during recovery. I'm not real comfortable with this particular recovery. How do I reinstall my TWRP without messing up my Big-Part Partitioning?

I know this reveals that there are areas where I don't have expertise, but I know that if anyone knows this system it would be you.

Thanks Schischu
[Xoom Android Development] nkteck:
Hi, I am using the recovery(big part), all is good except the back and home button is unresponsive. Any idea? Thanks.