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[G3 General] Helmetheadog:
Android just does not want you to delete play services, it tries to cling on. My suggestion is while the app is uninstalling, reboot about 5 minutes into the uninstallation. After this, it should be uninstalled
[G3 General] Wh1t3Rose:
I do it this way and have no issues
[G3 General] Wh1t3Rose:
Lol. I'm gonna post this in the greenify thread but I thought u guys might find this amusing. This is a Fu.ck me moment

Edit: NVM. Fixed.
[G3 General] Darke5tShad0w:
Turning them into user apps has this effect. Ok google only works everywhere when its a system app. You cannot use titanium backup to return them to system apps as its not updated for the new system folder.
[G3 General] Mahapederdon:
Man that was a few hours of pain. Haha. Not having a nandroid sucks. I tried to make them user apps with titanium backup and it ran for like 2 hours and never finished. After fighting it I just did a full restore after making a backup of user apps. Good as new now. I guess just do the opposite of me and be very careful. Haha. Still love this phone.
[G3 General] esimon311:
Ya should have backed up the individual apps with Titanium. That way if something messes up or doesn't work you can just restore the app to it's original state using TB..

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IT'S OVER 9000!!
[G3 General] Mahapederdon:
I hear ya. I knew that but I was being stupid. As soon as I clicked make user app I knew I was screwed.
[G3 General] haris182:
For those who having problems with switching Play Services to user app in Titanium backup, I found a solution (kinda).

First, I moved GmsCore.apk & .odex from /system/priv-app to /system/app and reboot. After that, use Titanium Backup to switch Play Services to user app.

I don't know if it will revert back to system app after rebooting again since I'm too tired to try it and I'm currently leaving my phone on standby to check deep sleep later.

USE IT AT YOUR OWN RISK

Cheers
[G3 General] GroovyGeek:
Having problems with steps 7 and 9. I simply cannot get Google Play services to show up in Greenify. Tried launching maps and search, no dice.

And yes, Play Services didn't uninstall cleanly, phone was foobar'd, had to download apk from Web, link in OP kept trying to get me to download some stupid spam.
[G3 General] Helmetheadog:
Which link was trying to get you to download a spam?

Also, you may have to enable the option in greeify to "greenify system apps" because the system might still be recognizing it as a system app. Google Play Services is a strange beast that I'm still trying to understand. Sorry for the trouble you're having.
[G3 General] Molius:
Hey, nice guide.

However, having problems with play services staying a user app.

I can uninstall/reinstall the google search app and it remains user app. That's OK.

However, when I uninstall the play services and try to launch any of the google apps (search, maps, hangouts etc.) it just starts popping errors and neverending prompts me to select my google account.

I can install the play services from a downloaded APK, but after reboot it becomes system app.

I can greenify play services (through app picker - I just go into google settings and select it as greenify target) and it greenifies it as system app.

However, after launching some google apps the play services are shown as "Not Hibernating Automatically", essentially negating the greenification.

My few questions are following:

1. How I can force the play services to stay as user app even after reboot?

2. Does Wakelock terminator still prevents wakelocks for play services if it remains system app?
[G3 General] Wh1t3Rose:
Also you could have just rebooted 5 minutes into the process. That would have forced it. It even States it in the OP ;)

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Try to use TIBU to convert it to a user app. Long press the app and the option is at the bottom. If it doesn't complete in 5 minutes reboot. Then it should be a user app.
[G3 General] stevesin:
having trouble with step 9, cant find the "state always ignored for hibernation". I see google play services, just can't find that option
[G3 General] GroovyGeek:
First went here

http://www.xda-developers.com/andro...densities-and-the-rest-of-this-weeks-updates/

Assumed that none of the lower DPI options worked so selected the last link in the list that did not specify a DPI

http://d-h.st/sCz

There are three download buttons there, as usual intended to confuse the user. First one is spam

http://www.usearchmedia.com/signup?...spid=13218658969&sf=search&adserver=0.2.2-rc1

Second one is dead/does absolutely nothing, this appears to be the actual link to GPS

http://fs1.d-h.st/download/00119/sCz/Google Play Services 4.4.52 (1174655-070).apk

Third one is also spam

http://www.usearchmedia.com/signup?...spid=13218765585&sf=search&adserver=0.2.2-rc1

This is already on, as I already greenify Maps and a few other system apps. I have been looking once in a while for 14 hrs now, Google Play Services never appears in the app list that can be greenified.
[G3 General] atrix4nag:
When I greenify google play services, I am no longer receiving gmails, I have to open the app, to get new emails, is it normal?

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Click on plus button and click on 3dot button, and select show all to see google play services.
[G3 General] Fightoffyoredeamons:
That's how all dev host links are. Which I think is ridiculous that people from here of all places link to it, but whatever.

Great guide!
[G3 General] Wh1t3Rose:
Enable GCM Push for Greenified apps in Greenify settings

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I wish people used Mediafire. No ads. Free. No waiting. International. No BS
[G3 General] GroovyGeek:
Yes, I agree. On a big screen it is relatively easy to judge what is the spam button and what is the actual download. On a phone screen... not so much. However, in this particular case the link to the actual download is dead, which can cause confusion for some. If GPS does not uninstall smoothly, the Play store stops functioning, so the only path to recovery is to download off the web. The OP should be edited to provide a functioning link to a web download, e.g.

https://fs10n1.sendspace.com/dl/037...ndroid.gms-5.0.89-1307510-034-APK4Fun.com.apk
[G3 General] atrix4nag:
I enabled GCM push, still i am not receiving the gmail notifications immediately, but I got the notification after opening gmail app..
[G3 General] The5Venomz:
I'm not seeing this option either...
[G3 General] Helmetheadog:
As for your first question, I'm not sure how it manages to turn itself into a system app again. Like one other person said, you can use TB to convert it to a system app, but be careful with this because some people report that this hangs up and freezes their device.

Also, even if play services remains a system app and you use wakelock terminator, it should still tremendously cut down on the amount of wakelocks, however it will still be more persistent in the background than the user app version (it's sort of a middle-of-the-road option.)
[G3 General] Helmetheadog:
Thanks, I will edit my post to use your provided link. Do you think it's possible to still push the app download to the device from a computer through the play store? If so, I will keep the play store link. Thanks for your input
[G3 General] Helmetheadog:
I have updated the OP to include a new download link that another user suggested. Hopefully this one works for you. Thanks for your input
[G3 General] GroovyGeek:
Yes, ADB push should still be doable, but the user would need to know where to push to.
[G3 General] Helmetheadog:
Here is every option I have checked in Greenify: Keep Notifications, Wake-up tracker & cutoff, GCM push, Greenifying System apps, Wakeup Timer Coalescing. I thought it may be useful to include all of these because I believe they may play a role in receiving notifications. I hope this works for you.
[G3 General] Helmetheadog:
Can you help me with this? What information should I include for people to be able to use ADB push successfully?
[G3 General] GroovyGeek:
Something along the following lines, THOUGH I HAVE NOT TESTED THIS

1) Download apk from an appropriate source

2) Rename to com.google.android.gms-1.apk

3) adb push com.google.android.gms-1.apk /data/app

4) Go to /data/app and open .apk to install

If you are going to go to that trouble then you might as well mount system as readable in ADB and manually delete the original Google Play Services app. Can probably stumble my way through the procedure, though with a locked bootloader and no nandroid capability I am not too inclined to mess with the phone too much :)
[G3 General] Helmetheadog:
Version 5.0.89 is available in the first download link of the OP.
[G3 General] Helmetheadog:
thanks, I will definitely research this and try to provide some sort of guide for this. Thanks for your help!
[G3 General] stas333:
In greenify I don't have the option called "state always ignored for hibernation ". What I have is "always ignore its running state"
[G3 General] Darke5tShad0w:
always ignore its running state- this the option you want.

state always ignored for hibernation- this is not an option its greenify telling you that a specific app will greenify it no late what.
[G3 General] jhericurls:
This method seems rather long winded. I do it a slightly different way.

I initially used Wakelock Terminator but decided that Unbounce was easier and safer option

https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.ryansteckler.nlpunbounce

I also converted Google service and google search to "user app" via Titanium and I don't have any issues. And then use Greenify to hibernate.

The result of these changes... 76% battery left after 16 hours standby and over 1hr SOT.
[G3 General] Wh1t3Rose:
Can't get GPS to cooperate. Will not hibernate
[G3 General] Helmetheadog:
Does unbounce work OK for you? I noticed it makes my device go haywire; the ram usage goes out the roof and I get no deep sleep using that app. I could not find the root cause at all. It was baffling
[G3 General] jhericurls:
I not had any issues, been using it for over 2 weeks. I'm only unbounced the standard location wake locks and few important apps like dropbox.

Never check my ram but just looking at it now and I've 1.2GB free, I've the 3GB version.
[G3 General] laudias:
I also have unbounce. What have you specifically unbounced in the app?
[G3 General] JeffDC:
same here.

My thoughts would be to first download Google Search and Google Play in apk format. Then delete Google Search, then delete Google Play.

Then install Search from the apk, followed by Google Play. That'd ensure you have them on-board already.

"it is giving option to select gmail id, once i select my gmail id, nothign happens..same pop up comes back.." was sure a PITA. I ended up reloading the OEM firmware and starting over. I haven"t decided yet to do it the way I just described above.

Another option, freeze the two apps, and when they are installed in api form, wouldn't just the 'pieces' installed then be 'active', leaving the other pieces 'frozen'.... frozen?
[G3 General] jhericurls:
Wakelocks:

NipWakeLock

Com.mailboxsync (dropbox)

CastSocketMultiplexer.mWakelock

NIpCollectorWakeLock

Com.lge.gallery.picasa

Com.Google.android.keep

Alarms:

Com.google.android.gms.nlp.ALARM_WAKEUP_LOCATOR

Com.Google.android.gms. nlp.ALARM_WAKEUP_ACTIVITY_DETECTION

I'm sure you can safety unbounce A lot more but don't want to break anything. Seeing as it's working perfectly now.
[G3 General] laudias:
Thx very much!
[G3 General] JeffDC:
OP. I like your idea. Thank you.

I'm on an 850 and nandroid would not restore my backed up GS and GP files. My learning curve. I ended up returning to full OEM and re-jailbreaking etc.

This thread is so new, with so many alternatives for deleting, installing and then hibernating, I'm going to sit out for a bit until there seems higher success with folks overall, and over a bit of time with the hibernation issues.
[G3 General] tissot:
What I think people miss is to wait the 5 minutes in TB and then reboot.. Reboot... Reboot. Many of us is to eager to wait. More ice in the stomac.
[G3 General] JeffDC:
Yes, reboot. I waited about 15 minutes, rebooted. Did not seem to solve the issue that followed which was when trying to get google to download the second app, Google Play... stuck on email login selection loop. Another had a similar issue.

Even rebooting multiple times after that was of not use.
[G3 General] Helmetheadog:
This seems to be a problem with many people. I see that my phone just now automatically downloaded a new version of play services, 6.1.09 and maybe this is the problem? Who knows. The reboot always sorted everything out for me, so without further testing and input we won't know what's happening. We're going up against google and their very stubborn app that wants to be embedded into the heart of our devices.
[G3 General] Facuu:
What about whatsapp and other gcm apps when Google play services is greenified if we also have them greenified? Will they wake up?
[G3 General] JeffDC:
Is it possible it's DXXX specific/OS version specific?

Is there a way to write a script to (selectively-user option) shut this stuff down?
[G3 General] Helmetheadog:
Yes, if you specifically follow to guide and enable GCM push it will still push the notifications.
[G3 General] krazyflipj:
Anyone try just moving the apps via Root Explorer to where all the play store apps are downloaded and changing permissions?
[G3 General] lewonsky:
After the move it gives a lot of fcs.
[G3 General] Molius:
Maybe the problem could be google's policy to rollout the update at different times for different regions. I've had my Google services at version 5.0.89 and it refuses to update automatically once I launch any of the other google apps (not necessarily Search).

Gonna try manual installation of version 6.1.0.9.
[G3 General] lewonsky:
Here http://d-h.st/s10
[G3 General] lewonsky:
if u uninstalled google play some apps may not work . one is youtube
[G3 General] stas333:
I dont know what the deal is, but as of last night my google play services is messed up. i constantly get "unfortunately, google play services has stopped".

i have tried pretty much everything i can think of. remove all google apps from greenify, reinstall play services, clear all google data, removed google account and then logged in again. No idea what to do now.
[G3 General] sielski:
Somebody try to instal New google Play service 6.1.0.9 manualny? I afraid if i do that everything will stop working... Now i have exelent battery Life
[G3 General] stas333:
i have the version 6.1.09 and im getting popup google play services has stopped.
[G3 General] sielski:
I mean have someone update manualy google Play Services?is everything ok?
[G3 General] stas333:
and i just told you above!
[G3 General] nsx82:
I got this damned update now officially and i having popup error problems. if i uninstall the new one and reinstall an old one, it is updates itself again. im very angry!!! DUH..

thanks google, i hope they gonna update and repair this insanely fast!!

I had a stable phone until now..
[G3 General] Helmetheadog:
I have successfully installed play services 6.1.0.9 and have had no issues (as of yet.) I am currently running tests on it, so time will tell. Almost everyone is having FC issues with it. My recommendation is that if you can get away with not installing it, just stick with the previous version.
[G3 General] stas333:
My suggestion to people here. Before uninstalling play services, download it and place it on the card. Uninstall the play services, reboot, install play services.
[G3 General] Experiences:
"always ignore its running state"

i can't find it on greenify.

edit: found it. google search doesn't do it, i had to open maps.
[G3 General] Darke5tShad0w:
You guys with fc's, do you run xposed module location disabler?

This causes play services fc's
[G3 General] JeffDC:
Well, I suppose this is a naive question, but for the informed among you all ...

what would happen if you removed all google apps, .. everything with the name 'google' on it from the phone, so there is nothing left of google to connect with any other google thing?

leaving a blank slate...

and would you then have to modify the boot.ini file (what ever it's called on this phone) to pull out any references to google (startups) to prevent crashing during boot?

If you can get to boot, then install the google apks following full removal and successful reboot from the SD?

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Is there an android version of Little Snitch to stop talking with the outer world?
[G3 General] nsx82:
i did try to use telephone without google apps and was much more stable without surprises like this.. its an another question how to install an app without play store and so on. but once you ready and you have all your apps that you need its definitely better without google apps. this is the third or fourth time i having problem with google apps. Draining battery, unstable system, fc-s, random bull****. just because an update. An update that never was asked from me to download and install or not. Its all on my carrier mobile data. if I download the older play services, everything works no more forc close. but it updating itself after 5 minutes just to be unstable... where is the logical answer in this(?), Why I need to use a 'new' software that don't have any extra but not works, when the same time the old one is works good without problem... Very strange. Things like this reminds me to the light bulb conspiracy...
[G3 General] nsx82:
i have xposed but not that location stuff..
[G3 General] littoipwner:
7. (Optional, but ultimate battery life will be achieved with this step.) Open greenify and enable greenify on both Google Search and Google Play services.

8. In Greenify, go to the "Experimental Features." Check "Keep Notifications" and "GCM push for greenified apps". This ensures that you will still receive push notifications that use Play Services.

Hey guys, I am having a problem finding Google Play Services in greenify, I could only find Google Search.

Also when I tried enabling "GCM push for greenified apps" it said I needed to donate, what happens if I don't have this activated?

Also how come when I launch hangouts it says "unknown issue with google play services"
[G3 General] nsx82:
this worked for one of my friend who had same problem like me!
[G3 General] stas333:
Click menu and select show all.
[G3 General] Facuu:
You need donation package for it to work
[G3 General] atrix4nag:
if you dont enable GCM push for greenified apps, you dont receive notifaciton s from apps which uses GCM push, example, GMAIL, whatsapp etc..
[G3 General] JeffDC:
Why not use Ap Opps Permission Manager? It seems to let you turn off quite a few things for both Google search and G.P.
[G3 General] Helmetheadog:
Because even if you use app opps, it does absolutely nothing to limit the restrictions. It's almost as if google bypasses the permissions. So it does not work quite as well.
[G3 General] lewonsky:
Yes Google bypasses them the only app that I know of works is lbe security
[G3 General] JeffDC:
Got it. Thank you.

Like the file 'hack' to toggle 'tethering', changing the number to 0:

path: /data/data/com.android.providers.settings/databases/SETTINGS.DB/SYSTEM

‘TETHERING TIME 600000, CHANGE TO 0

TETHER ENTITLEMENT 5, CHANGE TO 0

Are there file hacks to restrict google?

Like a script that could be run?

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Will lbe security do what the op is intending? From the PS it looks like it has not been updated since 2012.
[G3 General] lewonsky:
U can use third party app stores instead
[G3 General] vadyr56:
So I got everything pretty much set except I'm having issues Greenifying Google Play Services. I have the state ignored but it says it fails to hibernate. I quickly looked through the thread to see if anyone else had this issue but didn't see anything, but sorry if I missed it and I'm asking an already answered question.

Edit: I think I may have figured it out; boost mode seems to have fixed it for the most part. It doesn't seem to hibernate 100% of the time but its better than it was.
[G3 General] spinkick:
Does anyones phone feel much quicker after this is done? Hopefully this GCM stuff wakes up all my apps :cyclops:
[G3 General] lewonsky:
yes it does feel quicker and stable. But GCM stuff is needed for some third party apps to display notifications. so just do not disable it. I have discovered that certain notification apps even those in xposed and sense 6 have hooks on gcm service

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whats app works without Google play services. Gmail probably does not

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Update:Guide 2 . this guide here may do all a of the above in a better way

1) install paid version Greenify and latest xposed

2) go to experimental setings and tick "reveal hidden sync"

3) go to phone settings , autosync, clik on yr google account and u will see new options with a *.Now can choose watever u want to be disabled

4) Also u can do the same for Facebook app or any other app with * entries . . U don't need Facebook acting independently . BlinkFeed will update for u the feeds

here is the screenshot in phone settings for google and facebook example
[G3 General] shaarky:
My YouTube is not working after this, I just get rotating icon and nothing else happens. I have tried : uninstall, clean data and cache, readd Google account...nothing helps,any idea please?
[G3 General] spinkick:
Have you noticed that ok google everywhere seems to be gone using this technique?
[G3 General] Darke5tShad0w:
Correct, both google search and google services need to be a system app.

Since someone has asked before maybe the OP needs to put it in the OP so users can read before hand. [MENTION=5272949]Helmetheadog[/MENTION]
[G3 General] lewonsky:
youtube is dependent on google services i think.
[G3 General] Griffiths_Anna:
I don't know about this.. everytime I reboot my device the Google play services just went back to a system app.. I've done everything... this is weird.. or is it not allowed to be rebooted? thank you.. I've been wanting to do this for a long time..
[G3 General] shaarky:
No, it's required. Just uninstalled it, run Youtube - it's asking for Google Play services...
[G3 General] Experiences:
Why do you even use the Youtube app when there is PVSTAR?

yep. that's what drained the battery as well anyway.
[G3 General] shaarky:
Did I really ask for this? OK, I didn't, but thanks for out of topic suggestion anyway.
[G3 General] lewonsky:
u have to use a file browser and delte the google play services ( names as xxxcoregms1.apk or something like that ) in system/app or system./priv app

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i cant help but notice the extreme power saver mode is useless when google play serviles are running, it doesnt seem to stop google play services.
[G3 General] spinkick:
c'mon, lets keep it civil. After all we are all here for the same reasons.
[G3 General] electricallew:
Using sprint S5 and had a lot of trouble. Had to install firmware though samsung kies to get playstore to work again.
[G3 General] davy917:
I don't see the option in Greenify to complete step 9? Tried everything.. Can someone provide more detaile for this?
[G3 General] danon.brown:
If you dont have the full version of greenify it won't work.
[G3 General] shaarky:
So am I alone with Youtube not working after this tweak? I'm also getting unknown google play error in some apps like Hangout... using latest Google Play Services version 6.1