[Xperia Z3 General] One Twelve:
Is that your frame of reference ? You said the same about iphone too.

Sony is different. When i first looked at xperia shots the difference was apparent when comparing with Samsung. The noise handling somehow seemed worse. Then i read what others had to say and reconsidered. Sat back, looked at the image, the WHOLE image and what do you really see. Got philosophical about it.

My main incentive was snapdragon. samsung did not offer it in my country, though of late its starting. from a modding pov samsung is limited, just see the amount of attention it gets. Yes, you get stock based roms but anything more post S3 then forget it. Apple or WP are out for me. Has to be android. Xposed is changing that somewhat. Now all you need is root.

Apple sets the std for what a smartphone should be like. Does it still do that today. Why did they leave the speakers at the bottom like the Z1 where its easy to cover in landscape ?

Camera isn't the primary factor, important but not primary. Trying to get what you want is futile. you will have to compromise somewhere and at times it can be quite hard. Forces you to consider what it is you want out of the device. make do with what you have.

What do you think draws people to xperia ? its the design & performance. Same with the One. Feels more premium. Take that design away and people will look elsewhere for something more unique. Every company is trying to hook you, hardware or software one way or another so you stick with them. It's called lock-in, with your head. Don't look elsewhere.

Frame of reference.

Let's see what RAW brings. Better exposure & colour. Less chroma sampling ? hmm

I'd say he failed to make use of the lumias too. They could definitely do better in low light. What i would have preferred is show us the auto then show us what he could do. Had posted a comparison between note 4 & 930 earlier and the reviewer did just that. So the conclusion is less stark. Comparing cameras with a year between them.

worst auto ? hmm. if you make it more intelligent then i don't know if it will work as you expect it. It could get in the way and not let you do what you want because it will think you are doing it wrong. Auto is a bot, and will never replace a user. Want to improve the shots from the G3 ? you will have to resort to even smarter tricks as there is no way to do it in camera. Kinda like what iphone people did before ios8. Auto has improved since the Z1. Does not boost the ISO up unnecessarily like it used to.

Why can't we have more manual controls ? that is what i would bang companies about. Apple woke up. htc does it and nokia. Samsung only allows it with hybrids, compare s4 zoom with nokia cam, looks similar. Take the QX series of lenses, very nice concept but the software to control them is woefully inadequate. hey, did you know you can control an RX 100 from your mobile. Until you realise what you can do is half what the RX100 allows.

How to do it ? If the exposures turn out different what does it mean or if it gets it wrong then what. Would you be able to reproduce the same. It's random x random.

exactly.

The usual excuse is normob won't do it. Well, that is normob's problem then. Change to something else find that does not work in some other way shift again etc.

It's a hardware edge. LED vs xenon. People don't like xenon because it blows out the subject and reduces context. LED being weaker allows more of that context in . But it makes it harder to stop blur. A flash that is too powerful is less of a problem than one that isn't powerful enough.

I pulled up a reviewer who compared the iP6+ with the iP6 when he concluded the ip6+ produced better looking shots 'in his eyes'. A quick glance at the exifs showed the ip6+ shifted to spot metering whereas the ip6 did not. Both are exactly the same camera but because the metering inadvertently changed the shots looked different. Apples to apples (literally) comparison and here was a basic mistake.

The excuse ? a deadline (!)

But its not night & day. The nokias have an edge but the compromises involved might be to heavy to bear.

Steve works for a windows pub, he had to make their products look better. he goes to town on what the nokias can do but i don't find him doing the same with other devices. The K Zoom developed an sd card problem early in his testing and was never to be seen again. If he pit that up against the 1020, the differences would be even smaller and there is no way to compete with optical zoom in the end. I doubt he will get the CM1, its not sold in the UK.