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[HTC Butterfly S] Arjun Chatterjee:
I was on 4.2.2 installed Falter v1.1 and then tried to s-off using Firewater and after chugging the phone is now not rersponding to anything...

The red light is on and the three buttons in the bottom is constantly blinking...

the cmd came back to path after command

like this picture

I dont know what to do now...how to proceed...please any help
[HTC Butterfly S] Arjun Chatterjee:
somehow the device restarted....thanks to god
[Xperia Z3 General] guybrush2099:
in theory Sony Xperia Z3 has the same sensor of Z1, Z1 Compact and Z2, but with the new lens, camera firmware and a revised hardware support Sony promises great improvements

Actually new lens are 25mm for a good wide-angle, firmware seems to work better than previous Z2 and hardware should work better in low light conditions. Now you can raise the ISO to 12800, too. Autofocus is faster

Then we could use this thread to collect our shots taken from Sony Z3..It would be great to compare photos with the other devices

I will do once I get my Z3 :o

Let's go!
[Xperia Z3 General] TheHand:
Here is some pictures
[Xperia Z3 General] ipmanwck:
Nice pics from West Brom ;)
[Xperia Z3 General] CandyAndy:
Hmm.. They seem to be OK but not excellent.. Not sure if worth changing from my m8 (sure it's better camera on z3 but not THAT much)
[Xperia Z3 General] guybrush2099:
I think it's a tapatalk resizing problem...it isn't good to upload high quality photos
[Xperia Z3 General] jayr04:
Please upload to flickr, photobucket, or google+
[Xperia Z3 General] guybrush2099:
Here is some pictures from another user

All shots are taken by Superior Auto mode (and we know 8mpx Manual mode, ISO 50, exposure -0,3 and a good sun light in the sky is much better)

https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0B23J_aHn-BJhaDVNWjdMa252VWM&usp=sharing

https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0B23J_aHn-BJhNU9uYThUT0tnbnM&usp=sharing
[Xperia Z3 General] jayr04:
Looks good to me
[Xperia Z3 General] subhani:
Those look superb. I need to go someplace nice to test the cam on my Z3
[Xperia Z3 General] CandyAndy:
I don't want to start any war or anything and my z3 is already in the post waiting for me but looking at these pictures I am really not sure if I should get it. I am compering side by side to m8 pictures and I could say that 55% of the time m8 makes better pictures..
[Xperia Z3 General] jamezr:
Wait and do side by side. Then zoom and crop. The results will be very revealing to you. I had the M8 for 5 months. Great phone....great build quality....great UI....very fast and the boom sound is amazing. But the camera was very disappointing. Sorry but 4MP is still 4MP even if they are Ultra pixels.
[Xperia Z3 General] Blaalad12:
I learned since getting this phone just how irrelevant mega pixels are .Is this better then my htc one? I imagine so,I cant do a comparison as i no longer have my htc but iam pretty sure this camera is better but is it ALOT better? I would have to say no.I expected the camera to be alot better then it is personally but i saw mentioned that it may improve after a firmware update so fingers crossed because if this is supposed to be one of the best camera's on a smartphone then the competition must be lacking
[Xperia Z3 General] viking2.0:
From the specs atleast the sensor size on z3 is bigger than htc one m8. So it should make a difference in low light photography
[Xperia Z3 General] CandyAndy:
Yeah must agree. I have now taken some comparison shots with both of them and z3 is quite a lot better. Yet it also leaves something to improve.

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But a lot of force closes already! What's going on. And camera says can't start recording since others program already using. Well factory reset now. But doesn't look too good
[Xperia Z3 General] maverick1103:
The error in the camera app is because you have "Ok Google" enabled on any screen in Google now, I had this same issue and turned it off until Sony release a fix for it.
[Xperia Z3 General] G1_enthusiast:
can someone do a high iso (12800) shot?
[Xperia Z3 General] plsdunbiteme:
Thanks for the comparison pictures. I own a Z2 myself and the picture quality seems very similar to the Z3's.

Maybe it's just me, but I personally preferred the M8's pictures! They looked sharper and less noise, even if it can't zoom as much as the Z3's pics
[Xperia Z3 General] GuestK00192:
any 800x600 pictures will look good these days.

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most of these are average at best.
[Xperia Z3 General] ssj_jaypee:
There's no way the M8 camera is better. It is one of the lowest rated cameras of any current smartphone. Many professional tests have been conducted, check multiple websites if you don't believe me.

It's possible you either have a faulty unit, unlocked your bootloader which broke the sensor software (read about it in another thread) or Sony need to release a firmware update to fix this.
[Xperia Z3 General] Blaalad12:
Iam guessing a firmware update will improve things because i too am underwhelmed with the camera on this phone and i surprisingly thought the m8 pictures looked better in this thread which is kinda embarrassing for sony if you ask me! I havent played around much with the camera if iam honest but with the few pics i have taken i have found sharpness to be lacking ALOT and the flash is way too bright and ruining night time pics
[Xperia Z3 General] radicans:
In your comparison photo I agree the Z3 looks good. Personally I prefer the warmer tone of the iPhone6. But in general the Z3 photo looks as good as the iPhone.

However, look at theses photos and do the same comparison:

http://i-cdn.phonearena.com/images/reviews/165838-image/Apple-iPhone-6.jpg

http://i-cdn.phonearena.com/images/reviews/165839-image/Sony-Xperia-Z3.jpg

Here you can see the fine detail in the trees is completely destroyed in the Z3 photo!

If it's not too much to ask, could you please post a similar before/after version of the above photos, it would be much appreciated!
[Xperia Z3 General] helper85:
What I have noticed regarding the Z3´s pictures is the blurry left side (especially left top corner) if you take a picture of trees, grass, flowers etc. If the left part depicts only sky for example, the blurriness is not so obvious. Although I have noticed the same problem (in my opinion it is a problem) in Z3´s pictures in this thread and in the pictures published elsewhere and it can be deemed to be an overall issue, I sent my Z3 to repair.
[Xperia Z3 General] Jonathan-H:
Had the same issue on HTC One M8 due to wide angle lens. I wouldn't of wasted your time sending it back...

As for the iphone comparison, they look a little better on the Z3, but I bet the lower light performance of the iphone would trounce the Z3 due to a good flash. Hate to say that.
[Xperia Z3 General] Gin110:
[IMG="My Dog :) - xperia z3"]http://oi60.tinypic.com/29a3jb.jpg[/IMG]
[Xperia Z3 General] helper85:
219

Thanks for the reply. However my next question would be why the blurriness is only on the left side and especially on the left top corner? If it had been caused by wide angle lens, then shouldn´t the blurriness be all over the picture? One thing that made me to hesitate a little bit (but eventually did not stop) to take my phone to repair were the pictures of Z3 taken with UL BL. When I looked them (someone posted them in this thread earlier) I noticed that the unlocking greatly alleviated the blurriness...So maybe the blurriness, in the end, is somehow software related?!
[Xperia Z3 General] dagrim1:
Meh, I want to avoid using the flash at all if possible and I believe the Z3 is pretty good in that aspect. Low(er) light without flash situations...
[Xperia Z3 General] Chefproll:
I've seen different Z3s with different problems. My Z3 shows problems all along the left picture edge, other Z3s show that problem at the picture's corners, only.

So I fear it's a combination of software and hardware faults.

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If we only had a flash deserving that name... Compared with other smartphones, the Z3's flash is just like a match lit in the very distance. Just no power.

Good for macro shoots, but fails with everything else. Use as a assistant (filling) flash under back light conditions fails, too. Too weak. :/

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Hint: Use manual white balance. Z3 obviously selected a wrong setting, rendering your pictures cold.

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It's not just you. Z3 picture is far better, has far more details. ;)
[Xperia Z3 General] paysen:
I also prefer a warmer tone :)

The comparison would be useless, because it is not the focused part of the picture.

See, a different aperture on a camera makes a HUGE difference on the deph of field. The larger the aperture (lower number = larger aperture), the more blur you get in the background.

Xperia Z3 has a f2.0 aperture

Iphone 6 f2.2 aperture.

Iphone 6 aperture should be a bit sharper in the background, lets a bit less light through to the sensor because of the smaller aperture.

Just for comparison:

I did the pics with a 5d mark III some months ago, second is a bit out of focus, only to show the difference in the background blur.

But that's not all: You have to be a bit closer with the z3 camera, too, because it's 25mm compared to the Iphone 6 29mm. It's great if you want to get as much as you can on a photo inside of a room.

Every camera has a different amount of deph of field. Even on the same focal lenght and aperture, canon and nikon for example aren't the same.

I can do a comparison of the focused area if you want to :) Because this is the only area where you can compare a smartphone camera in this photo.

It is more obvious in photos like this. I guess no one would compare the sharpness in the background here:
[Xperia Z3 General] radicans:
Thanks for the comparison!

I am aware of depth of field "mechanics". What I was referring to with "destroyed detail" was the compression that is in the Z3 software, not the blur from depth of field. It is very obvious on the trees with the photo of the statue that it is not depth of field, but rather compression/sharpening artifacts. I took some comparison photos which are shown in this message:

http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=55980596&postcount=127

where the focus lie in the same plane ;)
[Xperia Z3 General] paysen:
It should be a combination of both. Because it is blurry, the algorythm may compress more than usual.. Thx for pointing that out. It looks like there is too much compression there.

The picture you posted was in 16:9, do the comparison again in 4:3 please with 20mp. Imo the pics are better at 4:3, even when you want them in 16:9. Just cut it out then manually and you still have better quality.
[Xperia Z3 General] radicans:
I'm sure you are right, that to some small extent the quality varies with the aspect. But I have taken that photo with all possible settings, in different light situtations, and they all come out pretty much the same. Although I have not done extensive testing on many different environments, the few tests I have done suggest that there is virtually no reason to take photos in anything above 8MP. Higher resolutions will mostly be more pixels of post processing and artifacts.

The sad thing is that even though you set the jpeg quality (as you can do in most camera apps) to 'best', the problem remains. So it seems to be all in Sonys denoising algorithms.

I have considered unlocking my phone to get rid of Sony's image filtering, but then I will have to live with grainy low light photos instead. It's a trade-off I might be willing to take, as most of my photos are daytime.
[Xperia Z3 General] paysen:
I would wait until it can be unlocked "unofficially" so you can save your keys. We have so many great programmers here, it shouldn't take too long :) Have you tried the google camera app? Or is the image filtering from sony still active then?

A raw image would be great.. take advantage of the sensor, Sony :)
[Xperia Z3 General] radicans:
I have not tried google camera app, but have tried a few other camera apps. They all show the same artifacts unfortunately. I think Sonys filters are applied no matter what. Had a quick look at the android API, and I saw no indication that there were different ways of acquiring an image from the camera, apart from the standard settings. Although I could definitely have missed something.

I overheard that Android 5 supports RAW image capture from the camera (at least in the API). Maybe with this functionality we will be able to circumvent the filtering? But then the phone needs to be rooted of course.

I really hope Sony will fix this! This article was just up, where the camera of a few of the latest phones were compared. Z3 basically came dead last in every category... :(

http://www.phonearena.com/reviews/C...peria-Z3-LG-G3-Galaxy-S5-Galaxy-Note-3_id3822

Mighty impressed with the galaxy note 4 camera tho!!!
[Xperia Z3 General] CandyAndy:
Really disappointed of the camera. Low light it doesn't go even close to Htc one m8 :/
[Xperia Z3 General] foghorn67:
zomg brands hatch!!!
[Xperia Z3 General] jonmorris:
I said I'd get the photos I took at the model railway/village in Germany, and I've now posted a gallery on my blog here:

http://jmcomms.com/2014/10/17/sony-xperia-z3-camera-test-part-2-trip-to-germany/

All of the photos can be viewed at full size.
[Xperia Z3 General] nmalready:
Coming from N5, im very happy with the Z3 camera though not blown away. Just a great improvement.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B7BbcS42w5wReDlqU2dwU0JKLXc/view?usp=sharing
[Xperia Z3 General] CandyAndy:
So what do you guys think. Is the bad camera because of the software or the hardware? And if software will Sony be interested enough to fix it or are they full force making z4 already?

Jonmorris by the way took great pictures, I have no idea how you did that with this phone.
[Xperia Z3 General] andybg40:
http://www.hardwarezone.com.sg/m/feature-camera-showdown-apple-iphone-6-vs-sony-xperia-z3
[Xperia Z3 General] Chefproll:
1) No full size pictures, reduced to 8 MP.

2) Photos are totally unfocused at the left picture border. Just have a look at leaves with photos taken under bright daylight conditions.

So even hiding the faults by using 8 MP shots does not work.

Sorry guys; we just need to face reality. :/
[Xperia Z3 General] Jonathan-H:
I had high hopes for this phone, but the camera is massively disappointing. The low light shots are embarrassing and the flash is not good enough to compensate. The daytime shots are quite bad as well.

I doubt software will help because Sony dropped the ball with every Z phone they released#
[Xperia Z3 General] jonmorris:
The photos are full size. 8MP is the full size because that's what auto does. Sorry, I didn't make it clearer - although there's one lone photo in there that's 20MP (it's the 4:3 picture of Cologne station).

I think the photos looked great on my phone as I was going through them on the train but on a big screen (like my iMac (non 5K!)) I can see lots of issues. To be fair, some of the conditions were rather testing - but Sony makes out this camera is perfect in all of these scenarios if their advertising is anything to go by.

Don't get me wrong, for most people they'll be fine. If I shared all of those on Facebook for example, most people (perhaps all) would view a much smaller picture. As they're all uploaded to Google+ too, the photos are all automatically enhanced. Again, if I shared those, they'd look better at a smaller size too.

I will also add that even with the acknowledgement that the camera has some issues, the Z3 is still my phone of choice for taking photos. For one thing, the camera button makes it FAR FAR FAR more convenient to just whip out and take a photo quickly. But, the warning that the camera might close due to heat is bloody annoying. PLEASE SONY let me confirm and not have it pop up ever again.
[Xperia Z3 General] iBuzman:
Very dark room, no flash, pleasantly surprised by low light pic quality with the few I've taken..
[Xperia Z3 General] Blaalad12:
I dont understand this camera at all, Did sony use differnt hardware/software on some models or what because some people are getting average photos at best and others are getting great results! Personally i think the pictures above are excellent for a camera phone .One or two might not of turned out great but generally speaking these are great shots. Ironically however, i would skeptical of my z3 producing the same ........ weird eh!!

**By the way.You say the camera has an iso of 12,800? Mine doesnt ..... wtf ha
[Xperia Z3 General] jonmorris:
You can't select ISO 12800 in the manual mode, so I assume it's only in auto (or perhaps a specific manual preset). Odd isn't it? Anyone would think that Sony advertised a feature then forgot to put it on the phone!

It's certainly not clear, but when you take a photo in virtual darkness then don't expect much (any) detail. To be honest, an ISO level that high is a total gimmick on this image sensor/lens combination.
[Xperia Z3 General] andybg40:
I've been playing around with the camera a bit today, to try and find if there is a "sweet spot" with the settings. Using the same conditions for each photo, then changing HDR on/off, resolution 8mp or 20mp, manual and superior auto etc. TBH, none of them are that great! However, I downloaded the Google Camera app and have been playing with that and I seem to be getting better results. For starters, HDR is available at full 20mp resolution, which does make a difference to the balance across the image. On an 8mp back to back, I feel that the Google Camera app takes a much less noisy picture and retains a lot more detail, well, on the phone screen anyway. I have not had time to upload to a computer as yet, although I will try and do so on my Macbook later.

Give it a try guys. Sure, you lose some functions ovr the stock camera app, but the main ones are there and the images look much better to me!
[Xperia Z3 General] Mity85:
I agree 100%

I found this to be very true and felt really let down by the all the hype with the Z3's specs. The pictures are quite noisy in the periphery, especially with the 20 mp setting. The pics look good but then when you start to zoom, the flaws are apparent. I'm assuming/hoping this is a software issue. My iPhone 5 (not 5s) produced less noisy pics. The same was true when I shot in superior auto, with and without HDR. However, I didn't try the camera app like you did.
[Xperia Z3 General] iBuzman:
http://instagram.com/p/uSNfWGE-QH/ (video, obviously in low res instagram guise, very nice and stable though considering on a steam train ? )

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[Xperia Z3 General] subhani:
THIS!

I compared the copper z3 I had to my brother's iP6 and he choked on admitting that the Z3 won easily. I have since returned it for a black model and now have compared the camera with my partner's iP6+ and I have to admit that the Z3 loses in every scenario! I am shocked to say it fails even in several low light conditions, has terrible dynamic range and worst of all, the detail is just lacking and there is more noise than the iP6+. I'm beginning to think not all z3s are the same in ability since the two iphones are near identical in performance. I am very perplexed. Everything people are saying here suddenly rings true. Only telling difference for me between the copper and the black version is that the lens rattles audibly when laying on a table on the black version. I am confused. Sony! FIX UP!
[Xperia Z3 General] cadboncopyvw:
There was mention of bright sunlight causing issues earlier in the thread so I set up a test using a just resprayed car in direct sunlight with some foliage behind it.

Superior Auto

And Manual (20.7 Mp) - everything still on auto but I did use multi auto focus.

Manual mode seems to look better knocked back half a stop on the exposure even in fairly low light (I was taking pictures in a woods yesterday in very low light and mist).
[Xperia Z3 General] Zanr Zij:
Different focus point, also light mettering point, make your image look that way! Try some light mettering points and lock it by hardware camera button, you will get the best result!
[Xperia Z3 General] cadboncopyvw:
Heh. I never even knew the camera button could lock the exposure and focus. I'd expect that on a proper camera but never even thought to try on a phone!
[Xperia Z3 General] Hustlervanz:
Not related about the camera performance though. But that car is really awesome! The Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution 5 pictured by a Sony Xperia Z3! And that's really a blast for me. :good::good:
[Xperia Z3 General] subhani:
In SA there seemed to be much better dynamic range and exposure. The manual shot does look slightly under exposed and the foliage lost in that dark.

Sick Evo though man. RESPEC
[Xperia Z3 General] Zanr Zij:
After disabled/removed unused effect/mode, I cn open camera much faster.
[Xperia Z3 General] heorung:
SA will enable HDR , that's why it has better dynamic range
[Xperia Z3 General] subhani:
That's awesome! What modes have you removed and how did you achieve this?

Yes I gathered as much. I was just pointing out to the person who posted the images that SA did better than manual here, as he held a view to the contrary.
[Xperia Z3 General] Zanr Zij:
Modes remained as attached pic.

Disable in App management.
[Xperia Z3 General] subhani:
Thanks buddy
[Xperia Z3 General] cadboncopyvw:
What I was actually trying to say was that I thought manual mode looked better with half a stop under exposure rather than any comparison to SA, although this only turns out to be the case on the phone not when looked at on another device. It seems like I need to play with my screen settings to get a more realistic representation of the actual brightness of the picture as I didn't look at those pictures on a PC before posting :D

I'll try the test again when the weather clears up as I've altered my screen settings and I can now see that the pictures are too dark on the phone where are before they all looked over exposed unless the exposure was pinned back.
[Xperia Z3 General] wingod513:
Hi Guys, There are my photos taken recently using my Z3 Superior Auto without flash at night time. These photos are the protest in Hong Kong. The ISO boost from Z3 is really great! :good:
[Xperia Z3 General] subhani:
Long liv the protests! And yes, the ISO boost is unmatched by ANY device! Maybe the 808 and the 1020 are better or as good
[Xperia Z3 General] Blaalad12:
Hi guys! I have contacted Sony through facebook about the camera issues people are having! I urge everyone to do the same. Its worth a shot and whats the worst that can happen? If they listen and do indeed update the software and ultimately improve the camera performance then great :)

Heres a link the the facebook page i mailed them through https://www.facebook.com/sonymobile?fref=photo
[Xperia Z3 General] GoyoNeuff:
Also this is what I've been thinking and saying... Lollipop will help, problem is when Sony will have it in their devices:

http://imgur.com/a/qQkkR#24

http://www.androidauthority.com/nexus-5-lollipop-camera-api-samples-540858/

https://github.com/PkmX/lcamera

Cheers,

G.
[Xperia Z3 General] abhinav.tella:
Its kind of sad, despite having a great camera it scored lowest on the Phonearena blind camera test. Sony really needs to patch the camera with an update.
[Xperia Z3 General] paysen:
That might be a reason, why the camera software is so not great atm. They don't even care about the 4.4.4 camera software because they knew that 5.0 is around the corner...

I hope so :)

If not, raw support is there, so others will take care of it.
[Xperia Z3 General] itsjustJOH:
I just wonder why they can't get their **** together, and it's been years now and they still can't match the software of the other top contenders. And that's from a company offering one of the best range of imaging products.