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[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] windstrings:
I went ahead and bought one full price $700, I'm not under edge rules when to rebuy.

People think a contract phone is cheaper but it's not, everyone not under contract is currently getting a $15 /mo discount on their phone that is removed when you go under contract equals 360 over 24 months added to the 299 add the $30 activation fee and it's a wash $700.

There is no activation fee when paying out right or doing the edge for that matter
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] windstrings:
Paying outright or edge is cheapest!

Call Verizon to confirm! I've talked with multiple representatives.

1. Normal contract. If you buy "non edge" under contract plan it's 299.00, everyone NOT ON CONTRACT is now presently getting a $15.00/mo "discount" off their bill for that device that GETS REMOVED (added back) if you go contract = 360.00 (15 X 24) + 30.00 activation fee + your up front 299 = $690.00 you paid after 2 years!

Once paid off, you own your phone.

*Also, once paid off and no Longer under contract the $15/mo discount starts again.

2. Buy outright. $700.00 but you subtract the 15.00/mo discount and no activation fee = approx ($360.00 + $30.00 savings) = 310.00 for device pay realized after 2 years.

Plus you own you phone from day one and don't have to trade it.

700 minus 390 = $310.00 total paid for phone after 2 years!

Plus the 15.00/mo discount continues!

3. EDGE PLAN. No activation fee of 30.00 + you pay $35/ X 20 months (soon to go over 24 months) = $700.00.

But you also get the 15/mo discount so at the end of 2 years you've also only paid 310.00 for the phone!

(700 in installment payments minus discounts and no activation fee = $310.00)

Once paid off you own your phone, but if you trade up BEFORE YOU'RE PAID OFF YOU MUST FORFEIT YOUR PHONE for the new one and then pay the new one in like fashion.

So, the plan everyone thinks is cheaper "contract" is actually the one that costs by far the most!
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] gotsaved289:
Unless you pre order the note 4 before the 23rd in which case the phone is $299 + $30= $329 and then subtract the $200 trade in program for any working smartphone at Best Buy or any participating retailer that Samsung is doing for contract only phones and you've paid $129.00 total for the phone like I have.

Just throwing that out there so no one misses out that may not know.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] windstrings:
Verizon says my GS4 is worth 101 bucks! Lol! Don't think so!

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But that's contract... No 15/mo discount so you're not getting 360 bucks back!

It's really costing you 129 "with your tradin" + 360 = 489.00

Can you do the same trade doing full pay or even edge where you get the discount in both cases?
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] Gareee:
Your math is double counting the $15 off a month.. you used it to get the phone cost down to $300+. and then you used it as an incentive as well to offset the preorder promotion.

Bottom line is your cost by your own math is $300+, and a preorder is only $129.. less than half the cost.

The preorder with trade in is a far better deal than the new edge program.

If you are also a best buy reward member with a b credit car, you can also factor in the rewards program gift certs you'll earn back with either deal, making both even cheaper.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] efotonik:
Isn't it $299.00 on 2yr Contract +$30.00 Activation = $329.00 total

Preordered at BB was $50 down (-50) with a $50 BBGC same day (+50)

Net Cash Out Day 1 = $0.00

On pickup of pre-order you do the trade-in of any smartphone per BB T&C of the promotion and get $200.00 BBGC (+200) and owe the remaining balance of the phone which is $249.00 (-249), plus $30.00 Activation (-30)

Net Cash Out Day 2 = $79.00

I think that's right, isn't it?

Then, if you hate the rate that much cancel your plan after a month and pay the full ETF or $350.00 (-350) but keep your phone. Your phone now cost $350+$79 = $429.00 for outright ownership out of contract.

Then you would need to open a new line, which per previous posts does not require activation, and gives you a $15/mo credit for own phone and out of contract. Issue being your ETF of $350 is only $10 off your projected savings of $360 ($15/mo reduced rate, 24 months) so it seems like a wash, no?
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] Gareee:
So we pre-ordered our note 4 phones last month with the promised delivery of on or before Oct 17th.

Tmobile shipped their to customers last weekend, and both sprint and att have them in store today.

We however are with Verizon, who for no known reason decided to delay availability till next Thursday!

Neither Samsung, best buy or even the Verizon customer service reps have had any communication at all with corporate to clarify the delayed release, or even confirm it.. They are all just treading water. The blame appears to lie with Verizon corporate.

Calling Verizon and asking them why we shouldn't just switch to another carrier instead of waiting another week however DID get them to offer to waive the $30 renewal fee on both phones, so if anyone finds themselves in the same boat, call Verizon and express your displeasure and potential to switch so they give you the same offer.

Apparently Verizon does this with every device launch except apple because they are under contract with Apple to advertise heavily on phones and the website, and to launch on apple's release date and not whenever the hell they want.

Stupid Verizon.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] Rippley05:
I agree, except we were never promised the phone on the 17th. Verizon said the 23rd from the day preorder was available. Doesn't mean Verizon isn't the worst carrier when it comes to this stuff.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] Gareee:
Actually, when we pre-ordered at best buy, we were told delivery for ALL carriers on or before Oct 17th.

It sounds like Verizon changed plans AFTER participating in the pre-order launch, so yes they are in fact at fault, and it could cost them hundereds if not thousands of two year contracts as people opt to switch carriers rather than wait, or at the least it could cost them all those $30 activation fees, which are all BS anyway.

They should have had their delayed pre-order launch date info communicated with resellers before taking pre-orders, not afterwards.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] bsweetness:
Verizon never said the phone would be available 10/17. They never told any resellers that date. Best Buy probably assumed that since the other major carriers were releasing the phone on 10/17 that Verizon would as well, which is what they told people. The first date Verizon ever officially gave was 10/23.

In the scenario you mentioned, that's 100% Best Buy's fault for making an assumption about the release date (albeit a logical one at the time).
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] Rippley05:
^^This.

This is what everyone has been saying since you guys starting flaming us for disagreeing about the 17th date. Its Best Buy at fault. They know nothing. You guys chose to believe a sales associate at Best Buy over Verizon who never, not once said any place selling a Verizon Note 4 would do so before the 23rd.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] Gareee:
You guys are quibbling semantics. Samsung announced that preorders would be available for all carriers in Sept, with a delivery date of on or before Oct 17th.

A few days AFTER preorders were taking place, Verizon suddenly started talking about later availability date, and odds are they specifically chose NOT to mention this, because they didn't want to loose early preorders.

Had Verizon bothered to send a communication to other sellers, they wouldn't have caused this situation, which lays the blame at their door. They chose to NOT go with the national launch date that Samsung chose, which is their own fault.

And at this point, Verizon STILL has not made an official statement why they chose to release later than every other carrier. Loosing sales because a delayed for launch for no reason is bad business.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] billinaz:
I set up my preorder with Verizon just a few minutes after they opened the website for ordering. It always said 10/23.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] bsweetness:
Verizon has been doing this for years with non-Apple devices, and it hasn't hurt their business one bit. They usually release flagship Samsung devices 1-2 weeks after the other U.S. carriers. It's nothing new or surprising.

And Samsung never said it would be available on all carriers on Oct. 17. They said it would be available starting Oct. 17. That leaves plenty of room for some carriers to release the phone after that. The other major carriers shortly thereafter announced an availability date of 10/17. But like usual, Verizon didn't do that. They were silent on a release date until the 10/23 ship date popped up. Again, it was an assumption (and an ill-informed one based on Verizon's release history) to believe they'd have it available on 10/17.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] gotsaved289:
The only thing not correct with what you said was the $50 gift card is not "extra" it's the deposit that you pay. So you give them $50 and they give you a BB $50 gift card as a hold on the device than you in turn use that $50 gift card to buy your note 4 when it comes in. Hence the total amount saved was $200 off the $329 total.

BB STEPS:

Pre order: -$50 for deposit

Gift card they give you: +$50

Total paid so far: $0.00

Phone total pick up when it shows : -$299

Verizon Up fee: -$30

Trade in value: $200

and gift card value: $50

Total: -$79 This is what you pay for the phone without tax and that's after you give them $50 for the card

Total cash paid on the day: $79

Total BB car paid on the day: $50

Total paid not including tax $129.00

Hope that makes sense...
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] rushless:
Sadly THIS. Verizon is arrogant to customers due to their coverage map and only get bossed around by Apple- to whom VZW follows every direction.

Until a carrier rivals Verizon's coverage map this will be the case. In a way they have a monopoly that can be bad for consumers.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] billinaz:
Actually Samsung did announce they were not releasing the Verizon model on the 17th. They specifically excluded it as only on pre order until the 17th. They listed only the Verizon model as available for pre order until the 23rd.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] bsweetness:
I know they said that once the details of their $200 rebate promotion were released (with Verizon's model being available for pre-order through 10/22), but I don't recall them specifically announcing any dates for Verizon when they first announced the Note 4 at their event (which is what I was referring to). At the event, I only remember them saying it would be available starting 10/17.

Either way, it was never said by Verizon or Samsung that Verizon's would be available on 10/17.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] Gareee:
No, but it was implied, and its called a sin of omission.

[An omission is a failure to do something one can and ought to do. If this happens advertently and freely, it is considered a sin.]

"Samsung today revealed the official launch date of its Galaxy Note 4 for the US: October 17. Interested customers will be able to pre-order the new handset starting tomorrow, September 19.

As previously reported, the Note 4 will be available to buy via Verizon, AT&T, Sprint, T-Mobile, and US Cellular. Pricing details haven’t been announced yet, though we expect the new device to cost as much as last year’s Note 3 (meaning $299 on contract). In addition to being available via all major US mobile carriers, the Galaxy Note 4 will also be sold at Samsung Experience Shops in Best Buy, Amazon, RadioShack, Walmart, Costco, Sam’s Club, and Target. Samsung says that only the black and white color versions of the new Note will be released on October 17, but we guess other colors (like bronze gold and blossom pink) will be available sometime after that. "

The Oct 17th date was mentioned, and Verizon was included in the list of carriers selling it, as well as stores like Best Buy, which implies they will be sold by Best buy, and delivered by Oct 17th. No where does it say there will be different release dates from different carriers.

Just because they did not specifically say, "Verizon is releasing it at this date" does not change the intent of this announcement. They announced a release date, and a carrier list for preorders, and by the wording it does imply that Verizon will have the phone at the date announced, and it wasn't changed at Best Buy for a week or so, after Verizon finally informed Best Buy (and other sellers) of the delayed release.

You can't fault Best Buy, because they were going by the official preorder announcement, but you CAN fault Verizon for not telling Best Buy to inform preorder customers that the Verizon version wouldn't be released as per the press announcement.

http://www.phonearena.com/news/Sams...-date-for-the-US-announced-October-17_id60816

And this is exactly why stores taking preorders for the phones told customers they were being available on the 17th.. because that's what Samsung announced.

Seriously though, it looks like a lot of people are trolling trying to get a rise out of people here by twisting facts and words, knowing people are disappointed by this, and trying to work on that sore nerve.

I thought trolling wasn't allowed here?
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] bsweetness:
If you'd kindly point out where I ever did such a thing, I'd greatly appreciate it. I simply stated the facts as they are.

Some people clearly read into things too much, and while others took Best Buy's word at face value (which is understandable). I'm sorry folks were disappointed by that. But my point the whole time was that Verizon never announced a release date of October 17th. Anyone who did (Best Buy) did so incorrectly. As far as a "sin of omission" Samsung's part, that's quite a stretch in an attempt to prove your point. Again, the history of when and how Verizon has released Samsung devices speaks volumes here. Releasing 1-2 weeks after other U.S. carriers is exactly what they've done device after device. Like I already said, I'm sorry some people clearly weren't familiar with what to expect here, but it doesn't change the fact that the 17th was never the announced release date for Verizon. Any anger over it should be taken up with Best Buy since they're the ones who gave out incorrect information. The information from Samsung and Verizon was never incorrect. It was incomplete for a while, but that's par for the course with Verizon after these types of announcements.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] Rippley05:
See. This is why people get the negative stuff started. You are absolutely incorrect. Verizon did not wait a few days after pre orders, it was as soon as every US carrier announced it. I think I seen Sprint first, then Verizon, then the rest. All in a matter of hours.

I agree that Verizon is arrogant, but they do it all the time. They don't have to tell us why (even tho some Verizon employees make up reasons) because they don't care. The numbers they may lose over this will be minor to the ones they constantly gain when people are tired of their current carriers crappy coverage.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] JasonJoel:
Someone call the WAAAHmbulance....

Verizon will release it when they want - whether it is a week later, a month later, or never. Don't like it? Go elsewhere, because if you aren't willing to leave, then you might at will not gripe because it will do no good.

AT&T has excellent coverage as well, for instance.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] Gareee:
We preordered about 5 days after it opened up, and at time, the best info best buy had at the time was the launch announcement that the launch was on Oct 17th.

Yes, Verizon's orders online stated a delivery at a later date, which was why many of us preordered from Best Buy, because their delivery was supposed to be earlier. (Other online sales sites showed an even a later ship date, after the 1st of November.)

Before anyone was taking preorders at all, each sales site should have had proper release dates listed by each carrier, but sadly they did not.

The preorder announcement should have had delivery dates for all carriers listed, which of course they did not have.. and I didn't start reading about a later Verizon launch date until 2 weeks after our order, about the time they also announced the UK launch delay.

What rankles here however, is people appearing to be gloating over the fact that Verizon customers are getting phones later, and making fun of them expecting the delivery date promised to them when they preordered the phones.

I don't recall any of this mess with our S3 phones or our Droid X phones before that, and I don't recall the community here taunting each other because they were left holding the bag.

(There are several threads where this is going on here.)

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Your childish Whaaaambulance remark is exactly what I was talking about.. being a jerk to other posters here. This isn't high school, (although you still might be attending it.)

Try your ATT here in the mountains of Western NC. We have zero choice on coverage.. if you don't have Verizon, you don't have signal period. (And even Verizon is spotty in some places here.)

The new phone's better radios are improving that around here, but US cellular is the only other carrier around here that will at least give you something in many locations.

(For example the best you can hope for at the Harrah's casino in Cherokee is 1-2 bars max on a good day. On a bad weather day, forget using your smartphone at all.)
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] ImBarone:
Probably the best note 4 unboxing I've watched all day. http://youtu.be/38BulqjNDKk
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] jayochs:
that's because the S3 on VZW didn't come out until like 2 months after the other carriers. same as the S4; it came out about a 2 months later. apparently the Note 2/3 had the same issue too. only just recently did verizon start matching other carriers' release dates. obviously the M7 was the last bad one, with it coming out like 6 months later..but the LG g2 actually released like 3 days earlier on VZW than anyone else..the S5 released worldwide on the exact same date in April. verizon has actually been doing decent lately, but who knows why they pushed this back a week.

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lmfao does she really need a minute of intro with a bunch of pics of herself? haha she just seems like such a self centered chick. good lord
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] JasonJoel:
Whatever. You call my remark childish, I call the incessant complaints childish. See we'll agree to disagree.

And as far as high school, I graduated that 25 years ago. And learned not to gripe and complain 40 years ago...
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] Rippley05:
How is saying stuff like "whhhhambulance" even remotely more mature than people complaining? The complaints are childish but your remarks are ok for someone who graduated 25 years ago? Hypocrite much?
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] JasonJoel:
Eh, so I'm childish. I can live with that. Still doesn't mean I'm wrong.

Anyway, continue discussing. I'm tired of this thread.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] Rippley05:
This thread is tired of you too. Run along now scooter
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] windstrings:
I don't really like being the first one to get an upgrade I would rather wait so that I have something on Google to read for fixes... Let everyone else do the heavy lifting it's much cheaper on their tech support to wait a little bit for up grades.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] tomgillotti:
Samsung Promo site says nothing about contract only phone. I made sure of this before I pre-ordered at full price.

Also, what is everyone seeing for dates now? My pre-order date is 30 October... but I also just pre-ordered today (20 October).
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] derrtydee:
not really impressed, other than her very nice manicure. the minute of intro i'm presuming may have been bad editing and the pictures only meant to display for a second rather than as long of a slideshow as it was. makes me want to do an unboxing too lol.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] tomgillotti:
Just heard that there's a delay for white ones, which is why my shipping date is 30th. :/
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] jcissell:
I ordered 2 white and both have already shipped
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] cbdudek:
I have been playing with the note 4 off and on since I got it at 10am this morning. Here are a few things that I have played with.

First off, foxfi is working on the Verizon Galaxy Note 4. I am using it right now. I did a fresh install from the play store.

I can also confirm that restoring from backups on helium work awesome as well. No lost save games for me thank you very much.

Finally, I can also confirm that this phone is really fast and nice looking. The screen is beautiful. The fast charge is so nice as well.

Glad I have it.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] windstrings:
I'm wondering if the fast charge will need a faster more robust wireless charging option to take advantage of that.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] felloffthetruck:
What you doing over here Mr. Valentine 1 ? :p
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] windstrings:
LOL! I'm easy to find.. Same name, same portrait
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] bsems1000:
So is this baby going to have an Unlocked bootloader or what?? I'm coming ffrom the G2... and cant decide if I should jump ship for this note 4 yet.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] shpotik:
Negative Ghost rider! Chances are the boot loader will never be unlocked on this. There might be something like safestrap later...
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] bsems1000:
What benefits does safestrap give ILO having unlocked bootloader?
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] tomgillotti:
When did you do the pre-order? I just pre-ordered mine on the 20th...
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] jcissell:
I think Sept. 22. They are out for delivery today.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] tomgillotti:
Must be that I got the 2nd or 3rd batch because I ordered so late.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] shpotik:
Saseftrap limits you to flashing only TW Roms. Where unlocked boot loader can also do AOSP Roms. I thinks that's the only major difference. Never really had to deal with safestrap thou...
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] zman2107:
Also can't use a custom kernel
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] jaseglenn4:
Eh, mine came in today. I will say that it's pretty nice. The UI is buttery smooth, signal strength is really good, and the device overall feels well made.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] tomgillotti:
So, did anyone else see this today?

Developer Edition Note 4 coming to Verizon

http://www.droid-life.com/2014/10/22/a-verizon-galaxy-note-4-developer-edition-is-coming-soon/
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] ronaldheld:
Yes but I expect to have root before the DE is out.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] skrubol:
I pre ordered mine (black) with standard (free 2 day) shipping around 6pm on 10/20 and it's out for delivery right now. Actual shipping method was overnight. Maybe I got lucky.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] windstrings:
Same here I don't actually mind a little wait so that the OTA updates can clean up any obvious bugs, once I root and debloat and install/configure all my root apps, I really don't like chancing OTA updates unless I know they won't break it.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] ronaldheld:
Mine has arrive late today after a morning problem at the store. Still trying to configure what i can without root.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] tomgillotti:
Still waiting........... shipping out on the 31st......
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] plyle:
That was pretty bad. Didn't make it past her saying the speaker was up by the camera. Ugh! I really need to start making my own videos.