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[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] tom1226:
I just got the samsunggalaxypromotions promo verified on twitter by Samsung Support USA. Jackpot.

EDIT: https://twitter.com/SamsungSupport/status/514210692711608321
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] art90262:
Possibly 400 dll rebate (99 bal) after note 4 price, new note 4, new 2 year contract and no throtling guaranteed since its clearly stated that those under contract wouldnt be all while keeping udp sounds like a fantasy to me but hopefully we get it done. Do you know if its gotta be done before oct 1st and how long both 200 offers are valid for?
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] tom1226:
Fine print for Best Buy and Samsung both have the required pre-order period being between 9/19/14 and 10/16/14. Both promotions require the trade in. Samsung promo requires uploading a copy of your receipt and the receipt for a trade in (believe both must be from the same retailer, so trade in at Best Buy). The Best Buy credit is given upon device trade-in and preorder, so that has to happen by 10/16. The Samsung promo says that you can upload your stuff between 10/10 and 11/30, or while supplies last. So I'd want to do the whole thing by 10/10 so that I could upload then and get in before "supplies are gone."

So looks like we preorder up until 10/16/14 at Best Buy. We trade in a device at Best Buy, making sure it is worth at least $10. Best Buy will give us a $200 Best Buy gift card for preordering a Note 4 and trading in a device. We then would upload the receipt showing we purchased a Note 4, as well as the receipt showing the trade in value of the traded device, to the Samsung Galaxy Promotions website. They will then cut us a check for the difference of $200 - our traded in device's value.

So, $299 for a Note 4 on a new 2 year contract at Best Buy plus tax and activation fee. Then subtract $200 in Best Buy credit (could likely have them just apply it to the device purchase after the fact). Then subtract $200 for the Samsung promo (trade in value included here). The catch I'm seeing is to make sure that, if Best Buy offers to credit the $200 gift card onto the Note 4 purchase, you have them do it after the fact on a separate receipt, because the Samsung promo says not valid with any other discounts...so they may see BB Credit as a discount. Not sure on that.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] Gareee:
We pre-ordered 2 note 4s today. The Samsung rep said any working smartphone was valid for tradein, and that we would be given by gift certificates for the rebates at purchase. They also said the gift certificates could be applied to our be account of we liked right after purchase.

Something I hadn't seen mentioned, was be also has a $50 preorder promo... You put $50 down to preorder, and when you buy your phone, they refund the $50, so you get $50 back from be as well as the $200 from Samsung.

With the $299 contract price, that drops the note 4 to an amazing $50 contract price after the rebates.

Personally, I think they are nuts selling them that cheaply. The s5 is $200 right now as it is, but if they are stupid enough to sell the note 4 for $50, I'll take them up on the deal!
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] leyvatron:
Is the deal only on contract or can we pre-order at full price to get the $200 off?
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] Gareee:
https://samsunggalaxypromotions.com/Note4/
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] tom1226:
The Best Buy promotion and the Samsung promotion both do NOT have any language indicating that it must be an on-contract purchase. Typically they're very specific about that (new 2-yr activation required, etc.) in the fine print. So either they forgot to add it, or it also can apply to a full-price off contract device purchase.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] rushless:
I think they have already figured out the administrative perspective of the Best Buy deal and Samsung check deal, so no chance for double dipping ;)

Seems the options are:

1. Best Buy you get an immediate $200 gift card and Best Buy takes care of the paperwork hassles. They usually do the same thing for standard rebates too.

2. Go through the Samsung rebate process and get a check for the trade-in difference from Samsung.

I wonder though if some of the fine print is missing. Seems too good a deal unless the deal needs a two year contract. Seems nothing in it for anyone on the business end if paying full price. All it is

then is losing $200 margin. Not long to find out.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] tom1226:
Oh, more than likely. But then again, they haven't seemed to figure out (or care) about closing the UDP loopholes yet in the Best Buy system.

So until then, no killing my hopes and dreams :D
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] rushless:
One thing is known now, the Best Buy $200 deal is for two year contracts/upgrades and not full price purchases. If you are paying full price, out of luck. Again it makes sense. They make no money and just lose money if not contracts. The incentive fees are fed by contracts.

My guess is the the Samsung check deal needs a contract too, in spite of no mention in the small print (the omission of it is not grounds for breach) . I am about 100% certain it will require a contract.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] mademan420:
Does anybody know if you can only trade in 1 smartphone for the $200 giftcard at BB or can you do more than 1 smartphone?

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Was this at a bestbuy?
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] CtK4949:
I also preordered at Worst Buy, the Samsung guy said any working smart phone is eligable for the $200. So I preordered it for Verizon off contract price($700). But when he was trying to set it up. The computer didnt show any $200 deal. He said its cause you have to come back when the phone is available and then you can trade in your old smart phone for the $200 gift card. I hope he is right. You can also use the $200 towards the purchase of the phone.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] rushless:
The Best Buy deal is for contract upgrade purchases only. When you pick your Note 4 up, you then trade the phone and the $200 is only authorized through the Upgrade transaction. My friend showed me the process at lunch just 45 minutes ago. He BTW has a Note 3.

True you have to wait until the Note 4 arrives to trade, but sadly also true full price does not work with at least the Best Buy deal.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] CtK4949:
Dang it!! I guess ill have to find a smartphone worth at least $10 to trade in to Samsung itself. :(

Sadly my Droid Incredible and Blackberry Storm is only worth a buck lol
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] wolfeyes30:
Was just at Best Buys. They said it doesn't matter on or off contract. Also the Samsung rep told me the same thing. Nothing but confusion. ..
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] rushless:
That is my course now too (VZW). Best Buy though is giving the $200 card THEN at purchase, instead of all the paperwork and wait from Samsung and any technicality snag. Catch is, Verizon is thinking it also has to be an upgrade, but still no confirmation. Samsung does have an Out in the promo pre-order wording, since depends on the Terms and Conditions. T&C tends to be indigenous to the carrier and not Samsung.

Seems the carriers and BB also have $kin in the game, so seems highly doubtful paying full price is going to work. That said, until there is an official position published, there is still a Dumb and Dumber chance :)

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I see that, but my bud showed how the point of sale process for the Note 4 trade-in works. Upgrade only POS method to authorize the $200 card.

Added: Any Best Buy folks here to happily refute? :)

Update: Best Buy is backtracking a little now, since they are not 100% sure. The point of sale is set up for upgrades only, but they have no confirmation from Samsung yet on the redemption process.

Still a little chance :)
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] CtK4949:
I hope ur right, im gonna keep my preorder and see what they say on release day.

thanks!!
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] rushless:
This seems the only practical thing to do right now.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] Gareee:
The Samsung rep at my store said this was for any working smartphone period, so long as it has no cracks or water damage. He also said Samsung was paying the $200 to best buy, and that I should pre-order through best buy there instead of with him.

We got our two $50 gift cards for both phones especially at that time, and that $50 "deposit" would be refunded when we purchased both phones.

They also only had the charcoal and white listed for pre order, but after calling best buy, they said the copper/gold was also showing up in the system, and that we could switch to any of the colors on launch day, provided the store had stock available.

I kind of interested in the copper/gold, but think I need to see it in person first.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] wolfeyes30:
I'm still waiting for Best Buys near me to open up the pre order for Verizon Note 4. I see others in this thread have already did so with Best Buys. Makes so sense to me.

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Me too. I just picked a Samsung Fascinate from CL today to use as my trade in. BB site said $15 trade in value. We'll see. I know I'll get screwed somehow some way [emoji15]
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] Gareee:
If they check, its already available in the system for preorder.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] droidguy22:
Who will provide warranty service for Best buy purchases, Verizon or Samsung? Anybody know..

I much prefer to approach Verizon for any replacement, they provide next day replacements and much easier to work..
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] Gareee:
Someone actually warned me against the best buy warranty service. its changed hands several times during their contract, and the policys changed as well over that timeframe as well.

I figure I'll find out what the real scoop is when we get closer to launch.

Two cracked s3 screens don't make me feel too comfortable with durability of a larger screen.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] mademan420:
Depends, if you have the extra warranty through vzw added to your bill, they will. If you buy BB's "blacktie service", they will. If you buy neither, samsung will. I know vzw tends to honor manu's warranties if you buy the phone thorugh them though...
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] rushless:
You will get a different answer as far as if full price is part of the pre-order deal or not, depending on the Best Buy you call. What matters though is how they authorize the gift card in their point of sale system. It is currently set-up for upgrades only.

If Samsung is flipping the bill, somebody best tell Best Buy that since as set up in store today, only upgrades can get the $200 card. Their POS is the same set-up at all stores. The local Best Buy mobile manager wants to know himself, since also hopes the deal is for full price so he can update his Note 3 as well. He would trade a cheapo and sell the Note 3 himself (duh).

Added: He did contact their Samsung rep and no answer yet on if they are or not. Even of Yes, it still does not matter unless Best Buy changes their point of sale to allow the gift cards for off contract purchases.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] Gareee:
Once they get it unlocked, that will probably be a moot point.

We always root our phones, and the main reason is to unlock tetheringfor my tablet and install an ad blocker, but with the size of this beast, I might find my tablet goes unused.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] oneandroidnut:
It wont get unlocked. look at note 3
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] testarea1:
The bootloader doesn't have to be fully unlocked in order to root, etc.

I'm running my VZW Note 3 safestrapped with JasminROM 2.3.3. That's full root with free tethering and a custom Kernel setup that even allows for deep sleep on this ported S5 Rom. Have no issues and it's everything I need even though it's not fully "unlocked".

They may not fully unlock the bootloader and all that, but they can come pretty close to having a wide open unlocked phone with some work arounds.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] oneandroidnut:
you think they can achieve that same unlock on the note 4?
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] ronaldheld:
I expect the phone yo be rootable hopefully not too long after the release date. No idea how long it might take to get SS working on it
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] testarea1:
Fingers crossed. Hopefully they can, but we won't know until they do so it's the usual waiting game. They've been successful so far but may take some time though.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] oneandroidnut:
yeah im scared with my g3. still no loki or anything
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] droidguy22:
I don't buy any extra warranty, yes vzw provides manu's warranty, that's why I prefer to purchase thru them (easier to work, provides free shipping both ways, faster service etc..).

However buying from Bestbuy has an advantage in this case, We will know at the time of the purchase about the trade in and even use the gift card for phone purchase, whereas If we purchase at Verizon we will have to wait for Samsung to send the Trade in rebate, there is a possibility of getting denied and knowing after return period (I am buying at full retail, I can afford it for $500 but not for $700)

Does anybody know If we can pre-order Note 4 at Verizon store? Samsung's terms on a similar rebate for S5/Note 3 says " in the same transaction Trade in any working smartphone device Purchase one a Samsung Galaxy S5, S5 Sport, S5 Active, or Samsung Galaxy Note 3" https://samsunggalaxypromotions.com/twobrilliantphonestwosmartdeals/en-us/Rules,

not sure how this will work if we order from Verizon web site...
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] ECrispy:
And this is the problem with newer Android phones, esp from LG/Samsung which have the worst skins. No updates, terrible UI's, no unlocks.

Just imagine how much nicer this phone would be with pure Android L.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] Gareee:
Thing is, you need the integrated spen support, and support for all the additional hardware that isn't in vanilla android.

Samsung already said also that we should see L sometime in November.. that's 2-6 weeks after its launch date, which isn't bad at all.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] art90262:
Remember....verizon always takes their sweet time with software updates....i would add 4-8 weeks to that date
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] rushless:
STILL no answer from Best Buy, carriers or Samsung if the deal is for upgrades only, or full price purchases as well.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] ECrispy:
Samsung version of L is going to look same as current TouchWiz and be slow and bloated, just like their other updates.

Its possible to add support for S-Pen etc, if only Samsung were to open source the drivers.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] droidguy22:
Offer page is updated with full terms & conditions:

https://samsunggalaxypromotions.com/Note4/

Smart Samsung Phone.

Brilliant Friends and Family Deal.

Get a Guaranteed Total Trade-In of $200* on Any Working Smartphone.

Preorder the Samsung Galaxy Note® 4 from any carrier or retailer in the U.S. from 9/19 through 10/16.

Trade in any working smartphone at a participating retailer (minimum $10 trade in value).

Starting 10/10, come back to this site to submit your preorder and trade-in information. Must submit preorder and trade-in information by 11/30/14 at 11:59:59 PM ET. Best Buy customers go in-store to redeem instantly starting 10/17.

Enter your contact information (name, email address, phone number, mailing address (P.O. Boxes are not permitted) and date of birth).

Enter your device’s HEX MEID or IMEI number and Wi-Fi MAC address.

(Applications > Settings > General > About Device > Status)

Upload both preorder and trade-in receipts for validation.

*Pre-order your Samsung Galaxy Note® 4 between September 19th and October 16th and get a guaranteed total trade-in of $200 on any working smartphone. Eligible participants will receive a check equal to the difference between $200 and the trade-in amount (minimum $10) provided by a participating retailer. Consumers who receive an instant rebate at Best Buy towards the purchase of the Samsung Galaxy Note 4 are not eligible to submit an offer claim at https://samsunggalaxypromotions.com/note4. Subject to Terms & Conditions.

You will receive a confirmation email once your information is submitted. Your rebate check will be mailed to you approximately 6 to 8 weeks after validation of your purchase and offer claim.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] deathshead:
Leave LG out of this, the G2 and G2 skins are light and their features rival many custom roms,

I also had a Note 3 as well, and I gotta say.. I never noticed any major slowdowns with touchjizz

and it got even faster with just xposed & Wanam and some startup debloat.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] ronaldheld:
Without derailing this thread I see we have moved to our own boards.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] ECrispy:
Well I have a G2 and its skin is definitely lighter than TW. But not as good as AOSP for sure. I ran my G2 stock (without even root) for many months (only phone I've done so) without complaints.

Now with AOSP its even faster. I had same experience with my S3.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] jayochs:
does bestbuy pricematch verizon? since best buy typically sells off contract for like $150 more than verizon does, i figured i'd try. i don't feel like dealing with a verizon store, so i might just goto bestbuy and get one if they'll price match the 699.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] rushless:
Yes, but still no confirmation if full price purchases are part of the deal for Best Buy or through carrier/Samsung.

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Yet still NOTHING to clarify if full price purchases are included in the offer. To top it off, the Terms and Conditions plus "limitations" afford additional vagueness. I read this kind of stuff as part of my job (not a part I like). Samsung has everyone covered in the wording.

How hard is it for Best Buy, carriers or Samsung to simply say if they are or not? Why the apparent ambiguity? Samsung is flipping the bill for all of this, so why no direction or answer?
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] spartn1:
Hope it includes full price

I just pre-ordered from Amazon.com (ships 10/17 vs 10/24 from Verizon Wireless) and I am hoping samsung offer is valid for this.

Got the additional $70 off with Amazon credit card signup. Also did device trade in with my Samsung Fascinate. ($90).

If all goes well I will get $90 from Amazon, $110 from Samsung, and sell my unlocked and rooted Note 2 for around $175-$200.

Final price should be around $229, no contract extension, and I keep my unlimited data.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] fillyo:
Well, my uncle is finally upgrading to a smart phone. Knowing he would cheap out and get a free phone, I offered my S5 to him and I will pay for the Note 4 and he agreed. So, I am buying a cheap phone off ebay to trade in, as the trade in value must be at least $10 to qualify for the $200 rebate. So, it should only cost me $150 when all said and done. I am on Verizon unlimited also. Looking forward to the Note 4.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] rushless:
Yes, BB matches the carrier.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] jcissell:
So can I just buy any smartphone and traded in? Or will I actually have to put that smartphone on the line I'm using so it shows up that I'm using it when I trade it in?
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] tom1226:
Doesn't need to be in use on your line, just any smartphone you have laying around.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] fillyo:
The trade in phone must have a value of $10 or it is not eligible. I had Samsung confirm this on Facebook. Time to find a Droid Incredilbe 4G ($15 value trade in) on Craigslist or Ebay
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] jcissell:
Do you think the values will drop between now and the time receive phones?
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] droid745:
Did you get a preorder receipt from amazon and a trade in receipt for your phone trade in because I am considering preordering through amazon and those are 2 items that are needed for the rebate check.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] alhadee12:
I'm going to trade in a HTC One. I need to recheck the fine print and see it has anything about the Edge program. Did anyone read anything about that?
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] tom1226:
That depends if you're buying at best buy or not. Going through bestbuy, their promo is instant and can be any smart phone as long as it works and the screen isn't cracked. Even if their trade in estimate is $0.00 online.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] chieunguyen2005:
hi

;););););)
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] staylecrate:
Is there a flashing program like with Tmobile that allows you to put the original Firmware on if your bricked or Loop locked?

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Who ever warned you about Best Buy is right. Their warranty service is horrible. I don't know if they offer any third party warranty service but I would go with that rather than the actual store. A company like Square Trade is good.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] spartn1:
Amazon

Yes and no. I got the preorder receipt as soon as I placed the order. I have to mail in my phone before the trade in is complete. Not sure how/if that will work because they give me a amazon credit for a trade in.

I got their confirmation email and a shipping label, will see what documentation I get after they get my trade in. They did give me a lot for an old Fascinate though, more than it is worth...
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] droid745:
Good to know. Hopefully they accept whatever doc you receive from amazon for the trade in. I want to use amazon because I have an old phone that verizon Will only give me $6 for but amazon will give 25. I would do the bestbuy option except they ate giving conflicting info on if they will give the 200 on no contract purchases,or not.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] tw1n5nak35:
I might have to try this, and turn in my droid bionic so I can get my the new juggernaut 4 :D
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] fillyo:
Unforturnately, it was already pre-ordered through verizon. I was able to get a Motorola Razr on Swappa for $50. So, I get a $15 bill credit, and will get a $185 rebate. Either way, it was worth it to net $150. Now, I have to hand over my S5 to my Uncle next week (since he used his upgrade to buy my Note) and I will have to use an old S3 until the Note arrives. That will be painful.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] 4smartphone:
It's past through fcc I saw it earlier today

It's past through fcc I saw it earlier today
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] art90262:
Have you been able to order yet? I see on bb website the only option is store pickup even if ordered online. I wouldnt want to jeopardize udp for a couple hundred bucks either....
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] Makeroflostsouls:
Going by the Verizon store tomorrow wife is getting the new iPhone 6 :). She is a die hard iPhone fan. Then I guess I will swing by Best Buy and look into getting the Note 4. I really didn't plan on getting a phone this big lol. But with the 200 dollars off for phone trade in I don't think I can pass it up. My HTC DNA has been great but it's getting a little long in the tooth. Both me and my wife are both up on our contracts at the moment so it's upgrade time. Getting 200 for my HTC DNA is great it's only worth 100-120 bucks right now on eBay. Saves me the pain of listing it and all the cost. I really hope this can be rooted at some point just to at least get the bloat ware off.. Wonder if I need to take the root off my HTC before I trade it in lol.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] ronaldheld:
I will check my Verizon store tomorrow and see if they have one on display. Maybe they will know the in store release date.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 4 General] Rippley05:
The date is October 23rd.