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[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] Kevbodian:
It is HTC japan's fault for not securing their devices. Sharp has had so many unlocks, but it is still using SEMC board and surviving the industry. If an unlock for these models is released, it will not damage HTC Japan's future, it will make it brighter as they will work harder to secure it. It's a two-sided coin, really.

But, I guess your solution (if we can call it that), won't be released, so why bother perfecting it? If its just some command or trick to flash, then someone else will do it soon.
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] Asukal:
i had not say not release this forever,,

after i fix(or pof) problems, and when the time come.

i will do that, :D
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] guaiwujia:
the db2020 on new sharp has not great progress yet

and softbank has change their guiding principle of their 9&8&7 Series mobile phone
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] guaiwujia:
I did think what Asukal said about the messages is true ,it would be protect the JP WM5 market on a certain extent
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] guaiwujia:
hoping hear new great news from you again :)
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] tomh0411:
Sales system in Japan is wrong.

Everything comes from mobile sales system in Japan I think.:(

Instead they change their insentive program , they insist Simunlock is wrong.

Therefore Japanese citizen they are misunderstanding that mobile is alomost free

or close to free. Then Some people try to sell them out of Japan because

cancelation is cheaper than their profit. They are making business with this incentive program wrongly.

Solution to be

1, HTC can sell simfree version like Nokia in Japan.

I am hoping this way will normalize Japanese mobile sales business model.

2, If Softbank simply increases the cancelation fee, it will stop exporting to

Aisian counties such a inflow and damage Hermes price in Asia.

HTC Japan asks Softbank to increas cancelation fee, then HTC HQ must be

happy to stop price reduction in Asia and keep good sales in Japan.

So conclusion is this is not the matter of SIMunlock but wrong business model in Japan. Why don't we encourage HTC Japan staff in this way?

In fact Japan is out of mobile world in the world because of this situation.

In Europe more than 50% they are enjoying prepaid mobile phone and simunlock is widely offered. Anyway soon or later VOIP, SIP will solve such a small problem and break though the telecommunication world.

Softbank has a good postion who is able to offer both normal mobile line and internet telephone but now they behave otherway arround. Softbank can be No.1 with this kind of service if they offer.

I respect Asukal's decision because he is contributing a lot in this world

and as well hope WM5 and all software and hardware available in Japanese everywhere in the world.

Thanks for long reading.
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] Zgembo:
@tomh0411:

I must admit that I absolutely agree with you! It is somewhat strange and ineffective business model here in Japan. And for some reason they are keeping it without even considering other solutions (like one back in Europe). Also, it is very strange and stupid that they don't allow legal SIM unlock in SoftBank, if users paid-off their phones... I think this should be changed somehow. Pressing Asukal not to release this unlock method is also very stupid. Someone will figure it out anyway, and they will probably charge people for unlocking (like ime-check) and behave just like average thieves...
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] qtotter:
i was concerned of the same thing when you posted your first message. i thought softbank would stop selling hermes in japan if this unlocker were released.

i have to admit it was wrong in the first place that they sold x01ht in the same business model where they sell other phones.

i am sure softbank is asking htc to make the sim lock tougher and tougher. x01ht sold in the future might not be even unlockerable at all....

i am also worried about askal... i am sure he would receive TONS of email asking for the info from now on...

for those who got disappointed, you should not forget you can always buy unlocked hermes from expansys or something at a fair price. even htc z from docomo is still unlockable and reasonably priced. the price of x01ht is simply insame.
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] KevinBaker:
Personally I'm not happy by this; and I'm not even affected by it.

The internet (as we know it), and in particular boards like this were designed for the free exchange of information - a group of like minded people helping each other out. So what if Softbank or whoever has a bad business model - that is their own problem, and if they are too stupid to figure out how to change it then perhaps they should not be in business. I wonder, do they actually employ people to PM on forums begging tools not to be released, or if it is the work of a couple of retailers who have some sort of bias towards keeping the system how it is.

Free sharing of information should not be stunted by the bad business models of companies.

Cheers,

Kevin.
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] sn00x:
I don't think it's a bad buisiness model, you just don't understand it.

Softbank sponsors the device. They would be stupid if they did this without getting the money back later (through the contract). With their simlock they just want to ensure that they don't loose money!

Take a PS3 or example. Sony has to sponsor the console and will get their money back later with sold games. What do you think Sony would say if you could get a free unlocker that unlocks the consoles and allows customers to play games for the xbox on ps3? They would sponsor consoles and push their rival - they would loose money!

If you want a unlocked device pay for it or be patiant!

Nonetheless I think Asukal and pof did great work and likely had much fun developing the new unlocker - doesn't matter if it will released for public, I think it was worth the work.
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] FAUZ:
:( May be new version of X01HT can not unlock. Everyone please see the picture post by Asukal. Second picuture is catch service but first, picuture on device information that show the version is not catch service. so, second

picuture take old version and first picuture take new versin. So, first picuture can not catch the service. Sorry my explain is not wel.
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] qtotter:
the cancellation fee is very expensive now. but if you do not pay for the fee and disappear, how expensive the fee is does not really matter, does it?

those unlocked x01ht sold in asia or ebay were shipped from japan in this way!
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] Asukal:
currently,,it can not catch the "GPRS"
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] kalintri:
Well, I understand the reasoning behind what Asukal says. He wanted to see WM5 to enter the Japanese market on a larger scale and if Softbank decide it is not profitable they will simply give up. But I think as someone mentioned before increasing the cancellation fee might be one solution. The problem is as people said what if you sign the contract and then just disappear? Well, that is why you sign the contract right, they have all your personal data: Name, Address, bank account... And if you leave the country they can pass the info to the police and customs and the next time you try to enter Japan, you will be arrested and made to pay, or even before that the embassy in your country can refuse to issue a visa. There can be a lot of preventive measures other than trying to make the phone impossible to unlock.

Besides there are many people like me that will be in Japan for more than 2 years to come, despite a few bugs in the English MUI I am very much satisfied with it and don't want to change the Softbank ROM. All I want is to unlock the phone so when I visit my country for a couple of weeks every year I can use the SIM card from my local operator there instead of paying unreasonably high prices for roaming.

So, I think if it is possible to make only SIM unlocker, without actually making it possible to change the ROM, many people(foreigners) will be satisfied here in Japan and Asukal's dream would still be alive(Softbank/HTC interests kept), because how many non Japanese people outside Japan would want to buy a phone in japanese even if it is SIM unlocked? almost noone even if the price is quite low. I mean try selling a x01HT in japanese to someone in Bulgaria for example, they will look at you like you are crazy(especially if the ROM cannot be changed).

Anyway, I also think that Softbank handling of the situation is not adequate, but I respect Asukal's arguments, so I guess I will have to wait some more.
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] qtotter:
hello? those people use fake ids.
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] KevinBaker:
The reason I believe that it is a silly model is just as you say - the user is in a contract. The way it works in Australia (and, as I've seen, everywhere else in the world) is that even if the phone is provided for "free" as part of the contract, there is no problem with the end user unlocking it - its not condoned by the carrier, but they don't go PM'ing people on forums about it!.

The point of a contract is that it is a legally binding document. If Softbank wanted to make sure that they wouldn't lose money on the phone, they would have the same style contract as the rest of the carriers in the world - if you leave early, you pay out the remainder of the contract. This way, even if people only sign up to get the phone, they're not losing out in any way.

Its a different business model to the games industry, this is not like allowing games to be played from a different manufacturer. Its allowing the user to use their phone worldwide with any carrier they please. The user has to weigh that up against losing warranty on their phone for modifying it.

Using your model and applying it to the mobile phone model, Sony would have entered into a contract to provide X service (lets say, one game a month) for $Y, and they will give you the console for free while you are paying this contract. If you decided that you wanted to unlock the consoles restriction and play Xbox games (hence leaving X service, and breaking the contract), you would have to pay out the remainder of the contract with Sony, meaning that Sony would lose no money at all (as the payout figure is the same as if the user had just payed 24 months x $Y).

Cheers

Kevin
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] KevinBaker:
If your carrier cannot detect a fake ID they are not using enough checks to make sure that it is a legit person. Is it the same with your banks over there to get a loan? I thought not.
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] dam:
What I found out might be helpfull.

I was looking on yahoo auction (Japan) for quite a while as I wanted a device. I think there are different categories of second hand device. 1 - plain fraud : They have no warranty (there is no date on the warranty paper), that suggest that they haven't been officially sold.

2 - tricky legal : They have been purchased, and there is a date of warranty. Of course if they have been unlocked/unCID, you can say bye bye to the warranty, but this was legal.

The price on the second hand market is about 30 000/40 000 yens for a 1.09 and 40 000/50 yens for a 1.06 (go to fxtop.com for currency convertion).

I say tricky legal because even if it is true that there are some people that have been disappointed by the device, cancelled their contract and sold back their device, the major trick is to keep the contract (then the device would cost only about 15 000 yens on a two years base), but sell the device. you understand that as you can make a huge profit (at least the double, nonetheless yahoo auction system allows price push up). If you are in Japan you don't care because anyway you need a phone. Only organized groups - gangs - can do that on a business squale (they do the same for PSP, concert tickets etc...).

Sorry to be a little out of topic, but to go back to the core. Great news we can do something with the 1.09 lock system ! Prices of 1.06 are kept high because of that lock "idea" making the business even more profitable, and the re-sale even more attractive for speculation...
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] qtotter:
a telestra shop in sydney did not check validation of my identification... who does?

(you know softbank is not a bank, right?)
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] qtotter:
the price will not be higher than that of htc z.
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] KevinBaker:
Sorry thats incorrect; for you to enter into a contract where you are provided a phone as part of the contract they will always check ID and do a full credit check on you. I know this to be fact.

If you are purchasing a phone outright, things are different.
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] qtotter:
sorry, it was my misunderstanding. i see what you mean now. i had my unlocked phone with me. my contract was not involved with getting a phone.
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] sergiopi:
THEN is the same old story, wiritten from a famous ancient latin, about about the Fox and the Grape. The story ends.

Vulpes alta in vinea stabat uvam:" Nondum matura est, nolo acerbam sumere" .....

Translation

The Fox wants to show how smart he is and tell to everyone he discovered how to stole the grape. But the farmer modified the grape supports and he just understand how high they are. Then he says to all animals arrived do see him stoling the grape:

"Oh, it still isn't done, I do not want to eat it sour" and moved away (FEDRO)

The same old story: SB X01HT shipped after December was unlocked? NONDUM MATURA EST! :-)

I agree with POF simple statement "we are experiencing technical problems..." translation "the grape is taller then we were expected!" :)

Here we (AND HTC PEOPLE TOO) learn by reverse engineeering , testing, bricking our devices mostly AT OUR EXPENCES. That's how they improve security, stability, usability,... as always happened.

Don't worry, they have very large shoulders and don't even imagine you can change anything in the japanese market. Or... may be you can do something: MAY BE YOU HELP HTC AND SB TO START THE BRAIN BEFORE STARTING MARKETING STRATEGY!
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] Kilihari:
Wow, an unlocker for v1.09?

Personally, I would be worried to release an unlocker for v1.09. I think I would release it on one of those Chinese boards or something, some way where I couldn't be tracked. I think it would be a bad move to release it on xda-developers.com, I wouldn't want to be sued by Softbank for infringing on something or some crap...... It wouldn't be worth it, naw just release it on some obscure board somewhere sometime.. and no one will ever know where it came from, what do we care about a business model? What do we care about if Softbank doesn't want us to unlock our phones? It doesn't matter to us! I do find it a little worrysome that imei-check hasn't released an update for this problem and they are probablly worried about softbank sueing their asses off.. comming from a business owner myself, I would be worried about that too.... there is no way I would release a crack like that on a board like this, it woulnd't benefit anything, I would release it on some obscure board somewhere, and it would spread nicely in time..... anyways.. Askual, you da man, cheeres to you Pof.. pritty cool stuff.

-Joe.:D
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] Daimaou:
I just catch this thread and, well a lot has been said, and the thing that I will continue to do after all my years here in Japan is to fight as much as I can this corrupted Teclo Systems... you cannot imagine HOW client are CHEATED in Japan when it comes to fees, services, quality of network... Japan is one of the most expensive country in the world when it comes to telecommunication.

I understand that Askual, had certainly received some worried email from either HTC Japan (The few contacts I had with them was pretty bad, especially toward a News Publication comp like mine, basically... they don't give a XXX to U if you are not AU, DoCoMo or SB) or softbank... in order to shutdown what he was on... Remember unlocking a Phone in Japan is ILLEGAL, several store owners has been sued for that... So we have nothing to say against Askual and we shall respect his action and remember is work on the localization of the X01HT into English.

If all of you have something to say in order to release your stress, please do like I do, take your pen, or call SoftBank / HTC to tell them how much you are unhappy with what they provide to their client and yourself. Also evangelize Japanese people by telling them how in the US, EUR, AU... how things work, like being able to freely change your mobile phone to any operator, to have unlocked phone or being able to unlock them easily, how amazingly cheaper are communication overseas... Things will change in Japan when Japanese will start to learn how things work overseas...
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] qtotter:
this is not true. unlocking is NOT illegal in japan.

what is the connection between unlocking a phone and lowering cost of mobile telecommunication?
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] schpork:
This thread would tend to indicate otherwise: http://xdaforums.com/archive/index.php/t-275172.html

Perhaps only selling the service is illegal??
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] qtotter:
japanese careers might want to give us an impression that unlocking a phone is illegal in japan, and they might use political power to shut down those unlockers' business for some little legal issues (not for unlocking) to protect their business models. but unlocking a phone is not illegal.

awhile ago, a shop which was selling unlocked phones got investigated by police and the owner got arrested. but the charge was violating trademark right, not unlocking phone.

if you can read japanese;

http://d.hatena.ne.jp/shamil/20060914/1158176553
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] Wai Wai:
I think it is a fair trade. The telecom in japan provide this promotion plan. The customer pay the fee and get the phone. It is a fair trade. However, we just hope we can use the phone in other channel. We already pay the phone. Haha.....I wish POF and Asukal can press the material ASAP. Because I have bought the phone and can't use it for 2 weeks.....
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] qtotter:
why did you buy a phone you cannot even use in the first place?? hope you understand the real meaning of the word "fair trade" if you got it outside of japan since it is NOT officially exported. it is sold to be used ONLY under a contract with softbank.

if you got it outside of japan, your money went not to softbank but to some sucker. hope you understand your situation....
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] Kilihari:
I didn't buy my htc hermes... it was free "campain"

Well, I guess.... it's as simple as this... Askual made an unlocker with Pof, it's their unlocker, they can do whatever the frick they want to do with their unlocker because.... well because they made it. It's as simple as that. Also, I guess I can't complain, my Hermes is already unlocked, flashed, cooked and mashed and I have no plans to upgrade my rom.... ever... hehehehe.. Anyways, good night.. end of discussion... I feel bad for Askual and Pof cuz they have to put up with people mailing them with their problems and stuff. Anyways, thanks Askual for the MUI, I plan on using it if no password comes out for the open.softbank connection. Take care my friends.. and don't worry about this, if Askual has found a way to unlock the hermes, then someone else will to, might take a year or two, but someone else might too! hehehhe.. NIGHT!:D
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] :
Compromise!

I just hope someone would be able to crack it before I go back home. Morally, that would be 8 ma'an (roughly 800 bucks) away so SB and HTC will have their own benefit and I will finally own my Hermes.
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] dam:
latin rocks

Very smart:cool:

it made me thought about : why there is this issue with the 1.09 and not the 1.06 ?

Might be that for the 1.06, first it was made and then discussed, and not the opposite.;)
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] sergiopi:
Just to add some knowlwedge to the unlocking porblem: NONE is cracking copyrighted material, we aren't talking about DVD region code...

We are just breaking the seal of our device. Is OUR problem.

In europe (this is a judgement orientation and NOT law, we havent specific law) if you ad a modchip to your xbox or re-flash the bios you are infringing the warranty condictons, the company don't will give any support, exactly the same as I put NO2 in my car!

Less than having not licenced software in your PC !
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] awh_tokyo:
In my case, it wasn't my carrier, it was a high school student working part-time at Yodobashi Camera who sold me my X01HT. She looked at my driving license for all of about 5 seconds, just long enough to glance at my name and address and make sure it matched what I wrote down on the form.

It would be dead easy for someone to use a fake ID to get one of these phones and walk out of the store without paying a cent and without Softbank knowing who they are...
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] Zgembo:
This thing raises way too much dust... What are we doing here? Business plans, legal issues, whatever... Is this forum for lawyers and businessman or I am mistaken? Let's find a proper way to unlock the damn thing first, and then we will discuss about consequences, if any.

Big players like SB will always find a way to cover up their a$$es... All they want is to make more and more money on us anyway, their point is not to praise Hermes or HTC as a 'masterpiece of technology'...

Everybody MUST be able to unlock phones that they own. If we paid for it, or 'prepaid' in a way to get some nice contract, we MUST be able to do it. It is the only natural law, no other laws apply here. Why don't they apply real law when they issue these fancy contracts to the people who smuggle their phones on a massive scale?
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] Kevbodian:
its true the japanese government and media make it look like unlocking in Japan is illegal, but it is not. any shops that have been sued or brought up on charges have been so for violating other laws or contracts.

one such contract may be the one that says not to unlock their phones.

@news report about shop owner in tokyo and shanghai

400 000 000 yen per month is a huge number. that's about $4 million a month. this number is entirely made up.
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] Wai Wai:
What?!! (I am not japanese.....) You mean you can just take ID and some information about you. After registration, you don't need to pay any and you can get the phone?
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] lindseyp:
That's a bit naiive.

I think that high school student only had to look at 3 things, bearing in mind it's your *driving license* she's looking at (or gaijin card), not some scrap of easily-faked paper.

Your name - is it what you wrote? Softbank only accepts applications with the exact same name, in the right order, including middle names.

Your address - not hard to check

Your photo - you're stood right there, a photo doesn't require much scrutinisation. Or is this a case of "they all look the same to me"? in which case it could be a stolen ID card, but then the owner would eventually get the bill and it would become a newsworthy problem pretty quickly if the practice was widespread.