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[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S 4] ajsmith2442:
can i install the kernel on my t mobile galaxy s4 its running the stock official ota update 4.4.4 not the rom
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S 4] ShinySide:
Yeah
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S 4] destructionj:
whoops ment to post here

http://xdaforums.com/galaxy-s4-tmob...base-4-4-4-nk2-rooted-deodexed-t2990478/page6
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S 4] WangChung81:
Any chance of getting this updated to the OH3 release?
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S 4] Michelbr:
please someone could tell me if this room is multilingual and contains portuguese
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S 4] SirWill:
I have an S4 from AT&T that is rooted and has a custom rom on it already. SGH-i337 5.0.1 Baseband is MK2 with a custom kernel 3.4.0-Sr-AELKernel-v4.3-LP root@friedrich420 #36 from Apr 9 2015. I have clockworkmod recovery v6.0.4.4 installed on it currently.

I am moving the family to T-Mobile. I plan to replace my phone with a S6, and then give my S4 to my son. I was wondering about flashing a T-Mobile rom on to the phone. Not sure what to flash for him. It would be nice to keep it so I can flash new roms to it in the future, even though I probably won't. This ROM looks like fairly factory image but would keep Root and so forth. Probably would be good for my son.

If I was to flash this rom, would I also need to flash a radio update? Should I flash a radio update? Should I flash a new kernel?

What radio if I should, and where would I find it? Kernel?
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S 4] athlonxp2300:
You don't "need" to change roms at all to use your AT&T s4 with tmobile. Assuming it is sim unlocked. (you need the code from AT&T). pop in the tmobile sim and add the tmobile apn. if you "have to" have wifi calling and wifi msm because of poor signal then you would need a different rom. not worth the extra effort if you are happy with your current rom. I'd get a mini cell for the house instead of using WiFi calling now anyway.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S 4] SirWill:
I understand I don't NEED to change, but I want the phone to start over for him, and be as close to normal for him as possible. As for WIFI calling, yeah I'd like to have it available for him. There is 1 particular place we go very regularly that has WIFI available but the Cell Service on all carriers sucks big time. Putting a cell spot there is not possible.

So yeah, I'd like to put a fairly stock ROM on the phone, that preserves root so I can re-purpose again later if I need to. If I'm going to flash a ROM, I might as well make sure I have good radio stuff and just want to make sure that what ever ROM I put on it plays nice with the kernel I have. If not, should I put a new kernel on too.

So, I'm asking for advice here.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S 4] fencell:
Can you post the instructions to install the Rom. Thanks
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S 4] I7210I:
hi

i have a problem with the wifi while turn it on it goes off..and the screen mirroring also get's off, i have the latest kernel that at the original post and the latest radio but nothing workes in these two, what i can do with?

thanks
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S 4] mrroks:
most probably its kernel issue ... do you really have an i9505 ? have you tried changing the kernel ?
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S 4] I7210I:
i have it, yes, and what i did is was download the files from the first thread over here , what to do next?
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S 4] FutureAirways:
+1 Any chance of getting this updated to the OK3 release? (See what I did there) : )
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S 4] lumin30:
We have an OK3 thread. Odin flashable.

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?p=64431358
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S 4] WangChung81:
That's clearly the Official ROM. The question that was asked was with regard to having this MODDED ROM updated to OK3. :confused::confused:
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S 4] ShinySide:
Wont be happening by me
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S 4] timz1313:
Yeah that's a glitch. Lol
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S 4] L.ridge:
i just flash the modems

Hallo guys,my name is Ridge, I'm new in android, i have a M919 T-mobile and i just flashed the modems you guys posted in there but my wifi and Bluetooth are still not giving me acess to on them, i use odin to flash tar files in Cp but nun hapenn, atill have the same wifi and Bluetooth and now i have data that won't turn on as well right after i flashed them, please help me.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S 4] L.ridge:
i flashed this rom on my s4 m919 but still my wifi and bluetooth are:( not working
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S 4] AlaskaLinuxUser:
Hi l.ridge,

This is a pretty old thread, no one is maintaining it at present.

Do you really want Android 4.4?

If not, use Odin or heimdall to flash stock ok3, then flash twrp, followed by one of the great marshmallow or nougat ROMs in this forum. I personally recommend AOKP N. Everything is working pretty smoothly on it, it is great for a daily driver and is not laggy, with all the latest features.

Another good one is AOKP MM, and Slim 5.1.1, all here in this forum.

I hope that helps!
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S 4] L.ridge:
Please send me the links Alaska, I'm new in phone system software and i've heard that Xda is the biggest android geek forum in the world, please help me if ever i am not bothering, GOD bless.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S 4] L.ridge:
Thank you very much [emoji3] GOD bless my friend

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Sure i will do[emoji3]
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S 4] dfw123:
Hello! This stock rom can not connect to t-mobile network. can not use wifi. any update for this rom? Thanks.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S 4] ShinySide:
Just like any other ROM.

Custom recovery

Wipe data

Wipe caches

If you're ocd format system, data, cache, internal,boot, etc

And flash
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S 4] theman1111:
Thanks for the quick reply how about to install the modem because im currently on FNB4.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S 4] ShinySide:
Just follow this using the files for nh7

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?p=51017878
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S 4] dawgdoc96:
My laptop is dead, I'm currently on Dan's GPE 4.4.4 ROM, mobile Odin doesn't seem to work with it. Is there any way to flash new modem without a computer to try this ROM? Thank you.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S 4] lordcheeto03:
I assume that following previous modems, NH7_modem.tar.md5 would be the gsm radio and NH7_NON-HLOS.tar.md5 would be the LTE radio, correct? On that assumption, I will also posit that, as with previous releases, people with MDL bootloaders need only flash the GSM radio... correct?

If all of the above is true, could it be possible that the people with WiFi problems have flashed NON-HLOS.bin and that is what is causing the problems?
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S 4] HampTheToker:
That and/or the build.prop line that needs to be edited: ro.securestorage=false
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S 4] lordcheeto03:
Is anyone else having app FC's? I've a clean flash 3 or 4 times already and each time the Play Store, S-Health, and a few others decide to just start FCing on me for no real reason. I haven't restored any old data or anything, so there's really no reason for it to do that. I will try it again here in a few minutes and pull a logcat, was just curious if anyone else was running into this.

EDIT: I guess this last time was a charm... no FC's to speak of and it's been running strong for about an hour now...
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S 4] starxidiam:
I had issues with WiFi when I first flashed this ROM, but I figured it out.

I flashed the ROM and kernel, and ODIN'd the modem.bin. My WiFi would NOT turn on. I edited the build.prop line ro.securestorage=true (I changed it to false). That didn't seem to do anything. My phone was also stuck on "Enforcing" in the about device section. What I think fixed it for me was flashing Fenny's kernel from his stock 4.4.2 ROM thread. I no longer get the "Enforcing" status and WiFi works great, thanks ShinySide.

A little more info. I am still on the MDL bootloader and do not have knox. I did not odin the NON-HLOS.bin since I think it will affect the sound (did not confirm sound issues though).
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S 4] gaww:
Funny - Fenny's kernel saved me a few times early in 4.4.2 ROM development - may do so again.

Meanwhile - how is the new modem doing overall (am also not KNOX'd) - anyone run it on a 4.4.2 ?
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S 4] starxidiam:
Could be placebo or I'm getting a little better 4g coverage. I came from 4.4.2, Fenny's ROM in fact.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S 4] ShinySide:
Bye Bye Enforcing

https://www.androidfilehost.com/?fid=23622183712470528
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S 4] rfb813:
I'm on the ATT model and flashed the Rom but it is stuck on the T-Mobile boot page. Any ideas?
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S 4] ShinySide:
Do a full wipe?
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S 4] rfb813:
Did a full wipe. Still have the problem.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S 4] ShinySide:
How long you let it sit for? Could take up to 5 minutes to boot building caches and all.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S 4] rfb813:
Last night I let it sit for 15 minutes still did not go beyond the T-Mobile boot screen.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S 4] omnifarious:
First and for most, thanks for you work on this ROM dev! The only "problems" I have encountered with this ROM are xposed installer bootloops with recovery or classical install as well as a fc or 2. Other than the aforementioned ROM appears to be running smooth. Will try with new permissive kernel!
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S 4] ShinySide:
Then im not sure. Especially with your device. I know nothing about safe strap and all of that.

Refer to red edit....haha... I'm no dev and don't claim to be.

I haven't had any FC's. I run nameless as my dd tho so not on tw all day. Have flashed it 3 times today screwing around with stuff but haven't ran into any myself
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S 4] ShinySide:
You got the booting for you or you got twrp going? If its still not booting then I have no idea. Ive flashed it 4 times today messing around with stuff and never took longer then 3-5 minutes
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S 4] EMcTx:
Thanks for posting this ROM. I have a question. I'm trying to change the

ro.securestorage=false, but I can't seem to do that. I've tried to change permissions before editing the build prop, but I just get operation failed. I tried to do this with both Es File explorer and root explorer. I granted both apps superuser permission. Do I need to do something else first to get it to work?

Thanks.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S 4] ShinySide:
No. Should be able to after granting su.

you can slash this if you want
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S 4] EMcTx:
Thanks for the quick reply and file. I've never replaced the build.prop. Do I just swap out the file on my phone?
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S 4] ShinySide:
I said slash haha No just flash it in recovery
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S 4] rfb813:
It booted and I got everything working but wifi.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S 4] Venom0642:
Need to edit your build prop find this and set it to false, ro.securestorage=false

Also make sure you flash the kernel on top says goodbye Enforcing lol! :p

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Flash this Kernel

: http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=55420228&postcount=71
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S 4] EMcTx:
Thanks, worked like a charm. I thought slash was some slang I didn't know about. Should've guessed it was flash :).
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S 4] BurnOmatic:
so whats the magic formula ? ,

1.flash firmware

2.flash goodbye Enforcing

3.flash secure_storage_false_nh7buildprop

4.flash which modem ?
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S 4] ShinySide:
Just the modem.bin
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S 4] BurnOmatic:
sweet thanks bro appreciate the hard work.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S 4] lordcheeto03:
Turned off by administrator, encryption policy, or credential storage.

Anybody getting this message on all lock-screen options other than PIN and Passcode unlock methods? From what I've read, you need to decrypt the phone and SD card (mine isn't encrypted in the first place), remove any VPN's (I don't have any VPN's set up), or remove all device administrators and clear security credentials (I have no device administrators set and clearing credentials didn't solve the problem.)

Any ideas?
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S 4] Eudemony:
yeah, you have to edit your build prop

look for this line near the bottom

security.mdpp=None

add a # to the front so it looks like this

#security.mdpp=None

I'm uploading a version for I9505 as we speak .. click my signature below ;)

You should be able to use it on T-mobile

Wifi fixed and external storage (for Titanium Backup) fixed too

debloated t-mobile apps but still has wifi calling (t-mobile users only)
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S 4] dawgdoc96:
Will you still need to flash new modem? Thanks.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S 4] ShinySide:
About time y'all have to use ours for the latest :p
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S 4] igotlostintampa:
o.o Wait....

Wasnt the 4.4.4 update just security updates for android? and Wifi calling? >.>

Horray! :D
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S 4] ShinySide:
Yeah. Even they gotta flash their nh7 modem
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S 4] dawgdoc96:
Lol
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S 4] Eudemony:
Yes, T-mobile users need to flash NH7 modem.bin (from T-mobile)

and I9505 users need NH7 from the new 4.4.2 rom

If you don't on the I9505 then the sim card is not recognised and you have no mobile data (wifi works as using a custom kernel - never use stock!)

Odin double flash.. actually I got it to flash by Flashing the T-mobile one first (came up with an error) then the I9505 one next (succeeded)

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Yeah, as its a new firmware i.e 4.4.2 to 4.4.4

dumb thing with S4's (well I9505) .. you can't include modems in CWM / TWRP recovery zip files as you could with Galaxy S3's and below
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S 4] dawgdoc96:
Mobile Odin possible? If on stock kernel?
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S 4] ShinySide:
Yeah I know. I've tried to a couple different ways and never works. Have tried flash raw image line in updater, flash image binary , just extracting to partition and something else I found I can't remember. What's stupid is, if you take the OTA guess where it flashes....recovery haha

Oh BTW yeah the white dailer / contacts is a tmo thing
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S 4] Eudemony:
Not 100% as I haven't tried

do you use mobile odin as you are on the new bootloader without knox (0x0 .. and therefore no custom recovery?)

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oh lol .. thought it might :D

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I just read that you couldn't but never tried.

I wondered if you added the line

# updater-script-91_MODEM

package_extract_file("modem.bin", "/dev/block/mmcblk0p11");

in updater-script if it would actually flash?
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S 4] ShinySide:
Ive tried that too and nadda. I was kinda confident using the flash image binary, user tested earlier, but nope wouldnt take.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S 4] dawgdoc96:
I'm on new boot loader, tripped Knox.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S 4] Eudemony:
hmmm ... wonder how it works on the ota?

I've modded the otas on the 2012 nexus 7 to get them to work on custom recoveries (unreleased, only for personal use) .. maybe if I looked at the otas and see how they do it I could figure it out :confused:
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S 4] Stan42:
Modem works, no sound

Flashed the modems (.tar) so I guess I did the modem + LTE, and now I've no sound. Is there a way to undo the LTE (get an LTE file from a prior baseband? - if so, any suggestions as to which one will give me sound back).

Im going to try the stock image as soon as Ive got it downloaded.

Thanks for posting the images.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S 4] Eudemony:
Ok, well here it says you can use mobile odin to flash modems http://www.xda-developers.com/android/mobile-odin-4-20-bings-support-for-several-galaxy-s5-variants/.. as you are on the new bootloader you will need both modem.bin and non-hlos.bin

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hmm just stating the obvious .. but did you check your sound was turned up? :p
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S 4] Stan42:
Did I check the sound was on? :)

Yes, yes I did. Full volume. Also went in to an app to change the notification tone - nothing.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S 4] ShinySide:
NB4 NON-HLOS.bin?

I pulled the ota for our last update.... I posted it somewhere...See if I can find it
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S 4] ShinySide:
Found it..... applies a .p file which is a patch But then line gave me an idea Im gonna try
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S 4] arocker:
Running nicely on the m919n with Fenny's kernel.

Well done and thanks again Shiny!
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S 4] HampTheToker:
I'm assuming you're still on the 4.2 MDL bootloader.

Flash the NON-HLOS.bin modem from this thread: http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?p=51017878

Should get your sound back.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S 4] Apostlemk:
I've flashed the combo modem file and still don't have WIFI. Anything other suggesting's from anyone?
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S 4] ShinySide:
Flash the build prop in post #82
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S 4] lordcheeto03:
This didn't work.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S 4] jonahtriangle:
Actually this is the one you need. The other one does not have the lte modem this one does. http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=2677252
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S 4] Eudemony:
I'll give you a copy of my build.prop as a flashable zip

backup your current build.prop

flash this via recovery

https://mega.co.nz/#!IhgTEIBJ!l1iXKobGLGD-rsFoRxQmR1uL-FdWUb6RnSKArg_nDrc
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S 4] lordcheeto03:
That worked perfectly! Thanks. I looked at the line you modified and i saw where i messed up.. I went to the bottom, scrolled up, and commented out the first line i saw that had mdpp in it lol.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S 4] theman1111:
I was looking into flashing the new NH7 modem but i was wondering if i had to rename to just modem.bin or can i just flash away via odin?
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S 4] ShinySide:
Rename what?
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S 4] lordcheeto03:
The question was whether or not to rename the current filename (nh7_moden.tar.md5) to simply modem.bin.

The answer is no... Don't do that.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S 4] mamdroid:
Dude your great, thanks for all that you do for us. Could give a crap about 0x1 lol. I feel the same way about an 0x1

Thanks again!!!
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S 4] knightsh:
Came from Insane. Wiped cache/dalvik/formatted system. Flashed rom....no wifi. Build prop edit.....no wifi. Flashed posted kernel....no wifi. All else seems to be working. Do I need to wipe data/factory reset for the wifi issue?
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S 4] ShinySide:
You have to do a full wipe. You're not only changing android versions you're skipping. Will it fix your WiFi issue? Maybe maybe not.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S 4] negerhab:
Hi sorry I haven't flashed through odin for awhile, I know you flas the modem.bin through CP but where do I flash NON-HLOS.bin? I flashed the ROM, the kernel, and changed ro.storagesecure to flase, and odin'ed the modem, and but when I odin'ed NON-HLOS, I lost sound and still can't enable wifi, any help would be appreciated, thanks so much! :)
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S 4] Venom0642:
On AT&T Deadly Venom as you see it works data and wifi
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S 4] negerhab:
Hey if anyone can please help, I did a full wipe, followed the instructions, still no sound or wifi, really up the creek here. Worst case scenario, can someone tell me how to get back to 4.4.2, thank you.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S 4] ShinySide:
Flash https://www.androidfilehost.com/?fid=23622183712471571 and sound should be back
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S 4] epsix:
You guys should rate this thread 5 Star ShinySide was always the first to release and help alot of peoples.

Thanks bro.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S 4] guspeed:
Same thing happened to me, I'm with Metro pcs lost of sound and very laggy phone after flasing both bin files.

I had a backup of my old 4.2.2 modem so I flashed it then reboot it and sound was back, then went back to odin and flashed only the modem.bin not the NON-HLOS.bin, reboot and then went back to TWRP recovery and flashed fenny's kernel and profit!!! new modem and WiFi working. ;)
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S 4] Stan42:
How do I figure out what bootloader I have. ROM versions, Basebands Im ok with - never knew there were multiple bootloaders as well :)
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S 4] ShinySide:
Hopefully when Samsung releases source, I already requested, can add the wifi fix to nh7

Download android terminal emulator type

getprop ro.bootloader

Hit enter
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S 4] guspeed:
That would be awesome, thanks for keeping our phones up to date :good:
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S 4] Stan42:
Thanks!

M919UVUMDL

I guess this is the original bootloader (non-Knox) that came with the phone (I rooted and flashed CWM as soon as I got the box home :) )

Is there any downside to getting the new bootloader and the new LTE Radio? (other than the invalid warranty issue, which Ive already dealt with)?
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S 4] The Sickness:
Dont know if this has been covered.......but fixing the wifi is a build.prop issue. Or am I speaking on a different wifi problem?
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S 4] ShinySide:
MK2 came out in november i think it was, So anybody that bought their phones on mdl most likely your warranty is up anyways. Its a one manufactures warranty. not a life time so really for most tripping knox means nothing. or so it should,

Better signal. And if tmo pushese out a volte update like they did for the note if you want it you gotta update
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S 4] negerhab:
Thanks for your help, unfortunately it didn't work, my phone is all jacked up, going to go back to 4.4.2 for now.

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Thanks so much, going to try that now ☺ Did it fix the WiFi too? That's another problem I'm having as well.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S 4] The Sickness:
To fix wifi to come on just edit the build.prop

Find ro.securestorage change it to false
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S 4] shrty4luv:
Or you could try a different kernel...
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S 4] negerhab:
Does anyone happen to have the 4.2.2 modem? Trying to find it and no luck so far.

I'm gonna try that again after I get the sound back and defarf my phone, thanks! :)
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S 4] The Sickness:
Its not the kernel.

EDIT: I was wrong. Didnt think about it till after I posted this.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S 4] ShinySide:
https://www.androidfilehost.com/?fid=23622183712471637
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S 4] negerhab:
Thanks so much, sorry for being a pain
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S 4] chispas109:
Deleted
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S 4] negerhab:
Guspeed, do you mean Fenny's Kernel from 4.4.2?

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Thanks Shiny, it worked :)

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Just wanted to thank everyone for the help, I'm up and running again! ?
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S 4] ShinySide:
Its all good, not really a pain when I have all the firmwares already
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S 4] MAFU21:
[MENTION=5580710]ShinySide[/MENTION]. Well the mayor issue here in 4.4.4 rom is the data problem. And the device not connectimg to PC. Am I wrong? Talking about devices with old bootloaders.

Those are the two issues i have seen.