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[Galaxy Note 4 General] Darkangels6sic6:
I was wondering that. Not to mention when they only show the clock of the little cores even at stock it's still missleading.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] midreestaj:
Still it is strange that despite huge OC results are pretty low. Stock Lollipop is getting 4500+ scores easily on note 4 910C with me.. with that amount of OC they should be around 5300+
[Galaxy Note 4 General] tmac31:
Yes it is. With same frequencies 5433 almost getting same scores with 7420
[Galaxy Note 4 General] Lodix:
How can I get that measurements ?
[Galaxy Note 4 General] midreestaj:
Install GameBench from play store and also visit their website to install the client

While you play any game session whole stats will be uploaded to server and it executes a detailed report on that..which can then be viewed on Gamebench website

You can add any app other than game titles to see how CPU, GPU, memory and battery performed during the recorded session of that particular app usage on client side
[Galaxy Note 4 General] arayoflight:
Clock speed is a checking tick-tock after which the CPU can get rid of the calculation and move on to the next one( if it's completed). So, increasing the frequency is basically decreasing the time between two subsequent checks. So it checks more frequently and hence the CPU doesn't stay idle for long after the calculation is complete. However, increasing the clock beyond a point shows diminishing returns as the CPU will more often than not will still be doing the calculation. So an infinite frequency will not give infinite speed but will consume infinite energy.

I think beyond 1.9 GHz, further OCing isn't helping much.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] Mumraa:
Soooo

So were are things now I am not getting a clear picture is it best to go for the Exynos 5433 because of lolipop? And I still cant spot a list showing which models have which processor anyone? Thanks!

:eek:
[Galaxy Note 4 General] radioxmen:
My score with lollipop

Envoyé de mon SM-N910C en utilisant Tapatalk
[Galaxy Note 4 General] yahyoh:
im still amazed how awesome apple cores are in term of performance/power consumption compared to any arm or qualcomm cores

man they are running at low frequency and still non of arm/qualcomm cores can beat them even @2.7Ghz or 1.9Ghz compared to 1.4/1.5 for A8 cores

A8x 3 cores wipe the floor with almost every high end ( 4 or big little cores ) Arm/Qualcomm Soc beside what Nvidia has to offer which nobody ever will use it in mobile devices.....hell even its sucks in tabs too

i know i will get a lot of hate but for real if IOS was more open i would leave android with heartbeat ( lmao at least i will get updates for 4 years , i wont get left in dust... haha )

http://browser.primatelabs.com/geekbench3/compare/1893558?baseline=1888658
[Galaxy Note 4 General] jura55:
you cannot simply compare core agains core and on another OS....or yes you can, but not in the way you ar doing it :) you also have to calculate number of transistors for each core, not just only plain frequency.... if I will have a core with 1 transistor(I know impossible to have any functionality, just as an example) on 100GHz it will still be slower than core with 1 000 000 000 transistors on 100MHz.....Apple uses lower number of bigger cores which have to be more performant than smaller Qualcomm or other ARM cores...
[Galaxy Note 4 General] exclass:
Here dude. Get a note 4, it's beastly. No regrets. http://xdaforums.com/note-4/general/note-4-models-lte-bands-chipsets-t2908049
[Galaxy Note 4 General] tmac31:
You can just put an x86 cpu in a phone too if you want and basically apple cores something like that. They arent really power/ heat efficent you cant put 3 cores of it too any phone atm. Im using 6 plus it has more efficent os, lower res screen but it doesnt provide better battery life(yes it has smaller battery but still) than my exynos note 4 and heats definetly more.

Arm and apple cpus are different apple has big cores use more power and arm has little and more power efficent cores. Yes apple cores are more powerfull and great but

you cant put them 2ghz and make a 4 core cpu like arm cpus.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] kunlegzy:
Lollipop on H, so happy
[Galaxy Note 4 General] Mumraa:
Thanks yes I found this finally too

Model Number	*CPU	*Region

*SM-N9100	*Qualcomm Snapdragon 805	*China

*SM-N9106W	*Qualcomm Snapdragon 805	*China Unicom

*SM-N9108V	*Qualcomm Snapdragon 805	*China Mobile

*SM-N9108W	*Qualcomm Snapdragon 805	*China Mobile

*SM-N9109W	*Qualcomm Snapdragon 805	*China Telecom

*SM-N910U	*Samsung Exynos 5433	*HongKong,Taiwan, Australia, New Zealand, Chile

*SM-N910C	*Samsung Exynos 5433	*HongKong,Taiwan, Australia, New Zealand, Chile

*SCL24	*Qualcomm Snapdragon 805	*Japan AU

*SC-01G	*Qualcomm Snapdragon 805	*Japan DOCOMO

*SM-N910F	*Qualcomm Snapdragon 805	*EUROPE

*SM-N910FD	*Qualcomm Snapdragon 805	*UAE

*SM-N910FQ	*Qualcomm Snapdragon 805	*Turkey

*SM-N910CQ	*Samsung Exynos 5433	*Turkey

*SM-N910G	*Qualcomm Snapdragon 805	*Singapore, Sri Lanka, India

*SM-N910H	*Samsung Exynos 5433	*Asia Pacific

*SM-N910K	*Samsung Exynos 5433	*Korea KT+

*SM-N910S	*Samsung Exynos 5433	*Korea SKT

*SM-N910L	*Samsung Exynos 5433	*Korea LG+

*SM-N910P	*Qualcomm Snapdragon 805	*Sprint – US

*SM-N910R4	*Qualcomm Snapdragon 805	*US Cellular – US

*SM-N910A	*Qualcomm Snapdragon 805	*AT&T – US

*SM-N910T	*Qualcomm Snapdragon 805	*T-Mobile – US

*SM-N910V	*Qualcomm Snapdragon 805	*Verizon – US

*SM-N910W8	*Qualcomm Snapdragon 805	*North America

So it looks like I'm interested in the C version I assume I won't have problems using it in England? I may stick to stock this time at least at first. I just thought the 8 core sounded more snappy with a slight chance it may work better with lollipop in the future? Or would any exynos model work anyway? Thanks.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] exclass:
100% stock N910C. Just tested battery life with lollipop and I can say it's about 15% better than kitkak. I attached the benchmark scores too which are better than kitkat too. Found a very minor bug in messages settings, but nothing important.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] yahyoh:
hmm maybe they updated GTS and improved it
[Galaxy Note 4 General] Artoriuz:
C version is the International version, it support most radios and I doubt that you would suffer from any problem. I'm not sure about all UK GSM operators, generally speaking the EU has the same spectrum of frequencies in use for telephony as us here in Brazil, so it should work flawlessly.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] CLARiiON:
You need to look into the amount of silicon also. A single A8 core is about 12.2mm, where the total 4cores of A57 cluster is 15.1mm. A single core is almost equal to whole A57 cluster of 4 cores. Obviously per core performance and IPC will be more for Apple SOCs.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] Darkangels6sic6:
Not to mention it's the difference of a glorified app launcher and a full blown OS. And iOS real life performance and crashes/bugs don't get shown by its decent benchmarks.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] SLMI:
http://www.sammobile.com/2015/02/13...-n910f-galaxy-note-3-lte-get-lollipop-update/
[Galaxy Note 4 General] -Sweeper_:
For those interested in Exynos 7 Octa performance I posted an updated performance review here here. I've also included Snapdragon 801/805/810, Intel Atom and Apple A8 comparisons. :good:
[Galaxy Note 4 General] :
yeah Apple SoC's are amazingly powerful and efficient. only makes you wonder what kind of performance the Iphones will have if Apple upped their frequencies a bit and stopped being cheap and upgraded the RAM from 1GB to 3GB on their phones. In general, I think it doesn't really matter anymore bc no one needs that kind of power on a smartphone(honestly that's why I haven't even gotten into the Exynos/SD war, I really don't care when I mostly use apps like Facebook or whatsapp or...sending an sms) but it's still interesting to see the power gains we get on each generation.

imo the whole SoC's war these days are a big marketing gimmik just to push phones..yeah I enjoy seeing 50k on antutu but I do realize that it's just doesn't matter for real use of a phone.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] Darkangels6sic6:
It would help the iphone perform a lot better though. And with the more powerful SoC and added ram it would crash a lot less even without optimizing the software to prevent the apps from crashing... though they should do that.

Battery, SoC, ram, camera, features, stability, and optimization. Everything in it is under powered just enough to sell cheap crap at huge profit gains.

You may not need it, but it would help the system. And it would for once do two things.

The iphone would be a lot closer to the power it's always claimed to be.

And it would actually be worth the price tag.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] marleyb:
Reminds me of a famous quote who needs more then 640kb anyways longtime ago lol ;)

http://archive.wired.com/politics/law/news/1997/01/1484 :D:D:D

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correct it's not:(
[Galaxy Note 4 General] POLO_i780:
I'm surprised nobody posted about the Snapdragon 810 vs. Exynos 7420 performance revealed yesterday:

http://www.phonearena.com/news/Prel...mm-made-the-faster-SoC---with-caveats_id65973

Snapdragon 810 myths busted - no overheating, excellent 4K and gaming performance

http://www.phonearena.com/news/Snap...g-excellent-4K-and-gaming-performance_id65970

Seems the chip is actually quite potent and NOWHERE NEAR AS BAD as people were trying to make it out to be, we are going to have seriously powerful silicone from both Samsung and Qualcomm, which is good for us consumers, close competition like this is what drives innovation.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] avs333:
Okay its 64bit, but even with the lollypop update (which _must_ support 64bit but doesn't))) is clear 32-bit, so what? They're too lazy about that, notwithstanding that the device is a cool of a monster, I'd say!

As to snapdragons, nobody ever promised that. And they're 32-bits anycase.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] Darkangels6sic6:
Wow! I knew there was no way the final S810 could be or stay as weak in comparison as it was.

However...at some point and until this test it was as bad as everyone was saying.

Interesting that the roles have switched here though to Qualcom having the slight lead in CPU and Exynos the decent lead in GPU. This makes it like the older days with the S1/S2.

And by the scores I'm guessing that's the developer device that had S810 and 4GB LPDDR4 ram.

It's possible that it had higher performing ram and performance in the device than let's say on a G4 or M9.

However is it safe to assume that the S810 will possibly still throttle faster?

And it's also possible that both could still perform even a little better in final release. And hopefully get updated stability by oem in the future.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] avs333:
Don't believe S810 is ever throttling.

I've read hundreds of messages saying that, but the truth they're a filthy lie because nobody has ever confirmed that on a real device.

First, it works at a slower speed, e.g. < 2 MHz, then it's scheduled all over much better than 800x (they say), and the different technology.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] Darkangels6sic6:
There's already evidence just in the s805/Exynos 5433 Note 4.

And apparently with other devices with Snapdragon.

Whether it's all devices or not or the S810 or not can't be said for sure yet.

However it cannot simply be ruled out.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] tmac31:
Its tested on a tablet lol. And pa says its not throttling. Its been long time and there is atleast 1-2 months till s810 devices out Problems should be fixed.

And that cpu and gpu scores of antutu just wierd.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] avs333:
What's the "evidence" then? No device never had such SoC, and you're saying it's evident. I don't even trace where those "heating problems" came from!
[Galaxy Note 4 General] POLO_i780:
Read the article, thoroughly this time.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] tmac31:
Manifacturers probably had s810 samples for a long time already you dont need a released device for that. And who ever tested g flex 2 said that its heating and throttling without even finishing a single benchmark. And lg admitted it had problems and they fixed it later so it wasnt just a myth.

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There is a tablet and phone. And like anandtech told they used tablet for testing that screenshot say pa tested tablet too. Phone is just there for show off probably.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] POLO_i780:
Really, as this is what PA say:

Does it make any sense to you why the smartphone would be there for "show"? Unless they were showcasing some new hardware that the 810 supported.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] Darkangels6sic6:
It was on a couple sites and posted at least once here. Just a few pages back I'm pretty sure.

No device ever had such SoC?
[Galaxy Note 4 General] tmac31:
Check your antutu 3d score with s805 and compare it. You will understand its not ready on phone.

Check this and read answers too.

https://mobile.twitter.com/RDR0b11/status/566378092508483585
[Galaxy Note 4 General] arayoflight:
Let me clear some things from here.

So there are 2 Antutu scores of SD 810. One with it scoring 52k and one with 62k right. Doesn't that seem a little odd. It does to me.

Anyway, let's ignore the other fact as we know that snapdragons are still amazing. Let's look at that comparison with Exynos 7420.

Single core scores of SD 810 were around 2100 and multi-core were around 8500.

Single core scores of Exynos 7420 were around 2700 and multi-core were around 5500.

That sounds super weird to me. The Exynos is behaving like it's a dual core SoC and not quadrupling the scores like SD 810. So either Samsung doesn't know how to make SoCs or Antutu is flawed or The scores had a typing error( Exynos ones).

Let's see the first assumption that the 7420 is a crap SoC. Now let's see Geekbench score which is a much more conclusive and extensive CPU banchmark. Sorry, I can't post the link as I'm a new user and I think I need 10 thanks or posts to do so. But the exynos scores about 1500 in single thread and 5500 in multi-thread. Here the score is almost quadrupling and the Integer and Floating point scores are more than quadrupled. Hence, our first assumption is wrong and Exynos can push 4x the power of it's one core in multi-core benchmarks.

Second assumption. Antutu isn't an ideal benchmark by any stretch of imagination but it isn't so bad to produce half the intended score. So this may be possible as Antutu can't be optimised for 7420 or it having some issues.

Third assumption seems the most fitting here. As we didn't have a screenshot of the scores but rather a graph of comparison between it and 5433.

There can also be an unlikely issue. That the specific device used for that Antutu had a hardware defect and the chip was only able to run on 2 cores. That fits the description well too.

I'm not saying by any means that SD 810 is a bad SoC. But it isn't as close to 7420 as you think. The multi-core FP and integer scores of 7420 should have crossed 10k easily by that single core score and it would go around 70k in overall Antutu score.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] tmac31:
There is 2 units 1 has 2k screen 1 has 4k thats why there is different scores.

And about cpu scores its antutu fail or something its there for 5433 too.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] arayoflight:
Actually that's not entirely due to 4k screen as the difference in the GPU is just 5k. The other 5k are the cumulative losses in other areas.

That's the reason I don't trust Antutu. Comprehensive benchmarks are useless as they don't give a cleat picture. 2 SoC can have same scores overall but they can be a lot different( one with powerful CPU, one with powerful GPU) and won't have the same speed in any of the scenario.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] tmac31:
Yes indeed i always say antutu is just a fail test. Not even mention that runtime test.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] SLMI:
[MENTION=4167023]AndreiLux[/MENTION] what do you think about samsung/gf's 14 vs TSMC's 16 nm, some sources says that tsmc is better than samsung, what's your opinion about these two
[Galaxy Note 4 General] tmac31:
Tsmc 16nm isnt ready yet if im not wrong.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] SLMI:
But man, according to this article tsmc is better at finfet, if i understood right

https://www.semiwiki.com/forum/content/3546-tsmc-vs-intel-vs-samsung-finfets.html
[Galaxy Note 4 General] tmac31:
It could be better but like i said its not ready. Tsmc on 20 nm atm.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] Lodix:
One thing is 16nm and another 16+nm. The first will come later this year and the other probably next year by the same time.

Samsung has already 14nm, so by next year it will have matured the process too.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] SLMI:
Thanks bro

Thanks for your info
[Galaxy Note 4 General] AndreiLux:
14nm is better and 6 months ahead.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] CLARiiON:
What we know that this manufacturing process numbers don't have direct co-relation to density/leakage etc., Apparently Intel's process is best in the world currently, probably has 1yr lead compared to Samsung/GF, and maybe another 6 months over TSMC.

Some known numbers (smaller is better)

Samsung 28nm = 114*90nm = 10260

TSMC 20nm - 90nm*64nm = 5760

TSMC 16nm - 90nm*64nm = 5760

Samsung 14nm - 78nm*64nm = 4992

Intel 14nm - 70nm*52nm (or 60nm?) = 3640 (or bit more?)

Intel 22nm - 90nm*80nm = 7200

Samsung does have advantage over TSMC both in terms of efficiency and timeline. Intel still ahead, but that's irrelevant here.

Compared to 5422, 7420 will take less than 50% of the surface area per transistor. That's a pretty big jump for a single year.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] SLMI:
So, will the 14 LPP will change anything about these metrics in samsung's finfet or what will the 14nm LPP will bring for better perf and efficiency
[Galaxy Note 4 General] CLARiiON:
LPP should bring in better efficiency - by how much? No clue, I'm not any expert in this. LPP could be 2nd gen of 14nm FinFET.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] tmac31:
G flex 2 benchmarks very different than latest s810 news.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W9IJ6wyjdSM
[Galaxy Note 4 General] Lodix:
Thanks for the video... I was hoping higher scores ( our Exynos alredy outperforms it in Geekbench running in 32bits ).
[Galaxy Note 4 General] tmac31:
I doubt 64 bit gives any performance boost in tests. But it still has higher clock speed. And it has 1080p screen it should easyly pass note 4 exynos on antutu.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] CLARiiON:
The thermal management in a phone will be much different from that of the reference platform which had a tablet and a very thick phone.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] tmac31:
Well i know that and wrote that in last pages. Obviously S810 still has problems with phones.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] Lodix:
Taking in mind that Geekbench is a pure CPU benchmark it should bring some performance boost with 64bits.

And the G Flex 2 has a 1080p display and the Note 1440p ( for antutu and 3Dmark ). Which is the normal score for the 5433 in that last one ??
[Galaxy Note 4 General] tmac31:
I doubt it with same cpu freq 5433 nearly get same score with 7420 even geekbench care about ram speed too it doesnt change it.

And i said in 3d mark and antutu g flex 2 should have get higher scores with 1080p nothing wrong with note 4 scores.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] Fabiolus:
Let's just the the power is notably high on both devices, but in terms of heat distribution and well.. 8 is more than 4.. enough said :D
[Galaxy Note 4 General] CLARiiON:
Qualcomm 810 throttling - https://plus.google.com/113781386215450614303/posts/1dQ2qRvCBjC
[Galaxy Note 4 General] cmd512:
It's the free feature upgrade one gets from being a Qualcomm fanboy. [emoji1]
[Galaxy Note 4 General] SeraphSephiroth:
I own a N910U (Which is Exynos). It's amazing but I have to admit there is bugger all development for it :/
[Galaxy Note 4 General] Lodix:
I tried to run it some times on my Exynos and it didn't get lower scores, sometimes even better than the first run... XD

I just did it 4 times.

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That is because it is a very specific region device, not due to the SOC itself.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] SeraphSephiroth:
Actually it's a well known fact that Exynos devices are the "Here be Dragons" for developers
[Galaxy Note 4 General] yahyoh:
[YOUTUBE]W9IJ6wyjdSM[/YOUTUBE]

not even close to Exynos 5433....what a fail from qualcomm

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yes it should give around ~300 more for multicores
[Galaxy Note 4 General] tmac31:
If 7420 is on 2.1 ghz on a57 and 1.5 on a53 i doubt it changes anything cuz that scores possible on 5433 too with lpddr3 ram. And s810 higher clocked with aarch64 too and its still getting low scores without throttling too.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] mehdi.moha:
GUYS

why exynos GPU is too weak ????!!!

i started this topic : http://xdaforums.com/note-4/help/no...note-3-gpu-t3031668/post58866801#post58866801

but no one has answered me !!!

its always laggy when using transaction effect ==> 3D rotation + "weather now live walpaper "

i never has the same on note 3 n9005 !!!! even on powersaving mode .

but whhhhhhhhhhhhhhhyyyy , its toooooooooooooo weak man !!!! i hate lag :mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad:
[Galaxy Note 4 General] SLMI:
You may hate lag but the exynos gpu is not weak, actually its more powerful than the adreno in real life and day to day usage, try enabling force gpu rendering on dev options
[Galaxy Note 4 General] SLMI:
Guys i know that this is not the right place to ask this, but

Does the lollipop memory leak and wifi bug affects the oems lollipop firmwares such as samsung or htc's
[Galaxy Note 4 General] marleyb:
Memory leak, course it does but it will be less noticed, as the note has 3gb memory
[Galaxy Note 4 General] Darkangels6sic6:
Yikes!
[Galaxy Note 4 General] domy1985:
Does the exynos 5433 support 64 bit in original Samsung lollipop update?
[Galaxy Note 4 General] Lodix:
No, it doesn't.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] Darkangels6sic6:
Its still in the air if it will or will not. If so it will probably be through a later update. If at all might have to be through dev modification based of S6 or future device.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] Jonathan-H:
I wouldn't know, as to my knowledge, I have neither. Certainly I have no wifi bug, it's fine and leaves no battery drain or performance issues. As for memory leak, what is that doing exactly? I don't have any multitasking issues or slow down issues, and I never reboot my phone or clear my apps.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] SLMI:
Thanks guys for info
[Galaxy Note 4 General] mehdi.moha:
got it !!!

force GPU rendering is solved my problem ,,YYYYYYYYYYEEEEEAAAAHHHH :good::good::good::good::D:D:D
[Galaxy Note 4 General] -Sweeper_:
Next gen Galaxy Tab S 2 is rumoured to be powered by Exynos 5433, running Lollipop (64-bit?) out of the box: www.sammobile.com/2015/02/19/exclusive-samsung-galaxy-tab-s-2-8-inch-and-9-7-inch-specifications
[Galaxy Note 4 General] mehdi.moha:
so is there any hope to update to 64-bit
[Galaxy Note 4 General] tmac31:
http://www.phonearena.com/news/Sams...S6-release-date-pegged-for-March-27th_id65978

There is a hope until note 4 gets new touchwiz update but. I doubt they will enable 64 bit for 5433
[Galaxy Note 4 General] SLMI:
Idk bro, I'm still hopeful for 64 bit, maybe they will enable it on later lollipop updates such as 5.0.2 or 5.1 updates, its commercially a 64 bit device in my country, so they should give it, or if the tab s2 come with 5433 someone can enable it on note 4 too
[Galaxy Note 4 General] iba21:
Well.. why all of you want 64bit on note4?

Please give an explanation
[Galaxy Note 4 General] POLO_i780:
Lol, this whole 64bit thing reminds me of how many waited for the S4 I9500 to get CCI working, and kept hoping somehow someway it would.

What benefit will 64bit bring anyway?
[Galaxy Note 4 General] iba21:
With 64bit code.. some more performance.. and sure, more than 3gb of ram

64bit kernel over 64bit cpu and 32bit code..

Our cpu still has armv8 advantages..