[Galaxy Note 4 General] Darkangels6sic6:
So much delusion, hate, and misinformation.....

Objective simple fact? The Exynos version has a decent lead. Much better CPU with GPU only minutely behind. However the Snapdragon version will throttle much quicker giving the Exynos better longevity even in graphics.

As well as Wolfson DAC is much better.

And just saying you know for a fact it will not become 64bit enabled is foolish.

As well as a very well made kernel combined with Xposed is indeed equal to or better than vanilla for many people.

But as stated there is definitely development support for both. Yes it still probably favors SD.

Now this doesn't mean Snapdragon is bad, way behind, or doesn't have its advantages. Or that those are the only deciding factors. You still have somewhat better carrier support with SD and apparently a little better modem battery life.

And it's still a beast.

Then all the crap Touchwiz bashing. TouchWiz never has been and never will be anywhere near as bad as people say. Just because you are a developer doesn't make that any less factual either. You're still prone to bias.

Can it be slightly less zippy compared to barebones cm? Yes. Is this some very noticeable crazy number effecting everyone like claimed? Not a chance. Sometimes it's not even seen by the naked eye.

In fact despite all the claims even the S3 runs very well on Touchwiz.

This is no different then iOS users claiming stock android is laggy compared to iOS.

Has it been heavier in the past? Aduh...so was every other skin. In JB it was somewhat heavier, but Samsung always uses best hardware.

Back in Era of S1 and S2 Touchwiz barely had features and ran well. Sense on the other hand was just bogging. And Optimus UI for a long time was a less optimized Touchwiz knock off with less features.

But they have all come a long way. And while it's never been that terrible of course there is room for improvement and Samsung is working on that.

Of course sense or cm are slightly smoother.....they are completely basic and plain. TouchWiz has lots of things that cater to many different people.

It's most functional and flexible UI.

And why is apple brought into everything? And if people want to go there most of their magic or "optimizing" is nothing more than the complete and utter lack of features combined with system wide lock down. If it was all optimizing they would not have a reining world champion title for most app crashes in the world by a large margin every year. And every update wouldn't be so terribly bug ridden requiring 100 updates a month to fix creating more issues half the time.

Any claims otherwise of such are just bias denial and fanboy cries.

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As well as in the past Samsung used Exynos chips for S1, S2, "pretty sure Note 1", and Note 2. And they performed better in most ways to the SD competition and had plenty of development support.

Now with S6 they are said to move back to entirely Exynos. And with 14nm. It's performance makes Note 4 seam good mid.

Now while theoretically the power consumption should be better with the 14nm compared to 20nm same could be said about the 20nm Exynos 5433 and the 28nm S805. While is some ways true apparently when it comes to modem consumption SD is a little better.

Also in comparison the 20nm Exynos doesn't include on die modem while 28nm S805 does. So Exynos might have better CPU/GPU performance consumption the S805 has theoretically better total power consumption. But also throttles a good bit more.

And the separate modem with the Exynos is fairly efficient.

So modem on die and LTE patents was the majority of reasoning for majority of markets getting SD from S3-S5. Probably a little for supply/demand and yield as well.

As far as I know it's the same story with the 14nn Exynos 7420 compared to the 20nm SD810. No on die modem. Could be wrong. However even if true they have a new modem design and a new die setup that combines the modem with other radios thus negating higher power demand. This should level the playing field in power consumption. With much better and less throttled performance to boot. Slight possibility it even decreases power draw in favor of Exynos.

Plus they now have new factories for massive yield.

Plus the Mali T760MP8 should at least keep graphics on par again if not a little ahead...assuming that is their choice of gpu. Adreno shows better GFLOP but that is so far from the whole story.

And Wolfson DAC as well. Hopefully they put more focus on this area.

And being that it's only Exynos that means all development support will obviously be for it.

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What I'm interested in is the UFS memory chips. 3-5 times the speed/performance at 40-50% less power consumption.

Which will eventually make its way to SD cards as well.

What GPU and modem setup will be used New Amoled enhancements. And such.

One of my biggest gripes with the Note 4 was while they improved the efficiency of most components and we're able to squeeze the better overall battery out of the same battery........WHY ON EARTH DID YOU NOT JUST USE THAT AS A BENCHMARK TO INCREASE BATTERY EFFICIENCY EVEN FURTHER WITH A BIGGER BATTERY??????

Now we wait to see if S6 goes the same route or not. Most parts are most likely to receive good efficiency updates. However a bigger battery will be most usefull.

Especially with the latest quick charge/equivelant.

Even if you can fit a smaller battery and get better life still doesn't mean you should use a smaller battery.

Now the S820. That should improve a lot of areas where the S805 and 810 lacked

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And as far as Snapdragon goes.

There is too much hate them aswell. Even for the use of older architecture.

It really only started seeming worse when the next advanced generation of architecture started advancing.

It's actually very good all around what they have done. Initially cortex a15 was less optimized and a little more power hungry.

Plus it's more practical and eco. They were making the best out of what could be done with old tech. And they did quite while and surprised many a lot.

They were able to reach almost 3GHz while keeping a very respectable temperature and power draw. I think that's commendable.

In otherwords they knew that there was a lot of optimizing left to squeeze out. Which is resourceful and saved costs to them and buyers. And ends up for much less waste. And it still compared very well to the newer and less optimized architectures. Granted at much higher clocks....but yeah. That's because they had the work and optimizing to be able to advance to those clock rates which would kill an armv8 right now.

And technically I feel in some ways this could be continued. However armv8 is now reaching a level of very solid work and optimizing as well and the higher clocked A9s are feeling their age a bit. But that's again mostly recent and just not vastly yet.

S810 is going to be good....but it suffers a lot and that's because it's a rushed place holder in the placement of architecture advancement and switch over. Thus probably why it's not Krait. Plus it basically being early stages of armv8 for Qualcom.

Where as the S820 should be them back on the ball.

Should potentially be 14nm with on die modem and theoretically less throttling on great clock rates. Should also then mean low power consumption and will be Krait again.

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So for later this year we have a very exciting guessing and waiting game to see.

-What will the Q3/4 Exynos be or bring? Can it hold the rein as well as the 7420 is set to?

-Will Qualcom come in and dominate with S820?

-Will Apple push an actually powerful chip with the A9? "Not to say prior A chips are weak necessarily, but not as strong as everyone thinks. And severely held back due to upkeep profit and grip over society".

-And what about Nvidea with Denver?

-Plus overlooked Mediatek. Though doubt they will have a breakthrough over the others.

Who on a side note "Mediatek" have often been actually better optimized than SD and possibly even some Exynos on multiple occasions. More constant and less throttled and comparable to less consumption. But regarded as crap just for being behind at times, not as big a player, and cheaper.