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[Galaxy Note 4 General] iggibar:
I just canceled my order. As impatient as I am to get my hands on the Note 4, I've waited this long, and I can wait one or two more weeks to see how other AT&T users are doing with the international exynos model. I believe it will be worth the wait just to ditch AT&T's grip of death, let alone the better camera version that is found on exynos versions. Here's to hoping that everything works. I want it easy, but my heart is telling me to get the exynos no matter what...lol
[Galaxy Note 4 General] iggibar:
I could honestly care less about the warranty. I had issues with both Note 2 and Note 3 that Samsung would not accept as being defective while it had a warranty. That factor alone literally plays absolutely no role in my decision. Better performance and future possibilities with the next OS, vs lagging behind from the get-go. That's an easy choice for me. The real issue for on my part is the LTE/4g speed, and a clean os. I had completely forgotten that piggybacking an os rom wasted so much space on my Note 3 from AT&T. It honestly wouldn't have been that big of an issue if it came with 64gb instead of 32.

Hmmm...decisions decisions...
[Galaxy Note 4 General] BarryH_GEG:
Prior to my AT&T Note 3 every device I owned was grey market and I liked the purity and updates directly from Samsung. I was dreading a carrier phone. It wasn't that bad though. I disabled all the AT&T crap ware so it felt like a real Note 3. The only annoyance was AT&T's hard coded bookmarks.

I'm in a VoLTE market and that, along with their optimized modem, made being on their network a breeze. Back in the HSPA days my grey market phones underperformed friends AT&T phone's data speed and connectivity wise. So going grey market isn't all peaches and cream.

To each their own but a lot of the benefits of going pure vs. carrier and S-805 vs. 5433 are overblown now that devices have so much power, memory, and storage. Facebook, the browser, Flipboard and the like don't need 64bit and won't benefit from it. Playing video stored on the device hasn't been a problem and online video won't benefit because network performance is the lowest common denominator. Gamers and VR users will benefit but only when apps are built for 64bit which is a long ways away. Remember what a cluster it was when 64bit Windows was released? There were few native apps written and 32bit apps got borked in the process. Half the apps on my PC are still 32bit and they're all current.

Life's different today than it was before Android matured, devices had dual core SoCs, and 1GB of RAM. New CPUs and GPUs can't overcome poorly written s/w designed for the lowest common denominator. It's like owning a Porsche and driving it in Manhattan. What's the point of all that available handling and performance if you never get over 30MPH?

So I'm fine with my under performing S-805 AT&T Note 4. The convenience is worth more to me than chasing potential benefits I may never notice or use. YMMV. ;)
[Galaxy Note 4 General] pcman2000:
I'm actually in the reverse situation.

Carriers here in New Zealand will be selling the Exynos version. I wanted a Snapdragon version, but I couldn't find one with full LTE compatibility. As a result, I've just had to order a Exynos version.

To be honest, the difference between the versions is being overblown. They now both have (up to) CAT 6 LTE modems, with the Intel Modem in the Exynos and Qualcomm modem in the Snapdragon. The Exynos has a faster CPU due to it's newer architecture, while the Snapdragon's Adreno 420 GPU is blazing fast.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] mwebb34:
I'm gonna be getting the edge :) can't wait
[Galaxy Note 4 General] BarryH_GEG:
Human nature. We always want what we can't have. ;)

[MENTION=4167023]AndreiLux[/MENTION], did you comment on this?

The big question is why Samsung choose to name this chip Exynos 5433 and not market it as a 64-bit chip in a new product lineup?

The answer could be simply that we won't ever see the 5433 running in AArch64 mode.

The chip's firmware and drivers are running on a "CAL" / Chip-Abstraction-Layer on the lowest level of the driver stacks. In fact, beyond the CPU cores (and GPU), the Exynos 5433 looks very similar to the Exynos 5430 which employs A15/A7 cores.

While we won't be seeing the Exynos 5433 running 64-bit code any time soon, it still takes advantage of the architectural improvements of ARM's Cortex A57 and A53 cores and their ARMv8 instruction set (running in AArch32 mode). Power consumption should also be improved due to the new A50's power management and new retention features. The silicon, similarly to the 5430, is manufactured on Samsung's new 20nm process.

http://www.anandtech.com/show/8537/samsungs-exynos-5433-is-an-a57a53-arm-soc​

​

Is this another "HMP" waiting to happen where 100's of pages of discussion take place with people saying "5420 can be updated to support HMP" when you yourself know it can't without Samsung's support? Can you and your brilliant peers implement AArch64 if Samsung ignores it or is it totally dependent on Samsung? From their being mum on the chips 64 bit potential and giving it a model number that represents their 32 bit line it doesn't seem to me 64 bit will happen unless you development types can make it so. 5420 "could" be HMP enabled but here we are a year later with other Exynos chips supporting HMP and Samsung completely ignoring 5420. So "could" and "will" can be very different things.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] angelky:
Finally found out its juz a very simple issue to get fix :) Now my Note 4 back to normal~ Cheers :)
[Galaxy Note 4 General] EP2008:
It's good to know that this wasn't a real problem! :D I have my n910U on the way and hope it's as perfect as my Note 2 has been :laugh::good:
[Galaxy Note 4 General] cmd512:
Precisely, the warranty argument is a joke. With the annual release of devices, I've yet to even bother with a warranty.

Why bother with Exynos? I can answer that without writing a goddamn dissertation, it's quite simple actually: Because Perseus kernel. If you don't get it, just read the Perseus S4 dev thread. You'll get a chuckle out of the constant stream of Snapdragon users asking over and over if there's a Snapdragon version.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] angelky:
Ya, im glad i can fix it :) And hopefully u will like yours :)
[Galaxy Note 4 General] AndreiLux:
I wrote that article.

I doubt we'll be seeing AArch64 from the community if Samsung doesn't support it themselves, and similar to the 5420 HMP it's because the software stack is tied to the bootloader which is closed source. Of course they could update it but they have absolutely no incentive to do so and the probability in my opinion is near zero.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] bladefrost007:
My note 2 did serve me well for 2 years.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] gabrielgon:
How did you do it?
[Galaxy Note 4 General] angelky:
I did few steps...

1st change ro.securestorage.support=true to false in buiild.prop

2nd use Wifi Fixer app from Play Store

3rd use static IP of your wifi connection.

From the result it still drops and goes back on sometimes, but alot less than before and Im glad :)
[Galaxy Note 4 General] bladefrost007:
My wifi drops too on my note 2. And on my new note 4 i experience it dropping just once since 2days of use.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] angelky:
I think may be my router coz some people said that before, or may be coz i rooted it?!
[Galaxy Note 4 General] bladefrost007:
Maybe its the router or the wifi hardware on the phone. My usb wifi adapter on my pc also drops when it gets hot
[Galaxy Note 4 General] angelky:
Ya, may be my router is old... before when i was using M7, it didn't drop out, but juz can't get on to the internet and i need to restart the router. I think this is the similar case as the Note 4 now....
[Galaxy Note 4 General] darkkain:
Any source?
[Galaxy Note 4 General] AndreiLux:
Well... me.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] clavicle:
That certainly is moving exynos to non-objecting countries like India, where Samsung will push Exynos and we are not likely to see any development of the phablet. In case India gets it, I am sure not to get it.:confused:
[Galaxy Note 4 General] CLARiiON:
Any info on 5433 GPU? T760? Cores?
[Galaxy Note 4 General] thekoRngear:
Guys, what is the reason behind the Exynos version having a significant boost in An tu tu scores than the S805 version if we believe it aint gonna bring the A57+A53 combos?;):) The same A15+A7 BIG.little combo is used and now the difference is bigger than ever. May be the move to 20 nm and (most probably) the new Mali GPU?
[Galaxy Note 4 General] darkkain:
All is here:

http://gpucpu.com/samsung-galaxy-note-4-gpu-cpu-details-sm-n910c/
[Galaxy Note 4 General] aydink_1903:
I think it's real Exynos 5433.

https://translate.googleusercontent...eview/&usg=ALkJrhi5eUo4PG_oM_vqS_lREhNNL3R38A
[Galaxy Note 4 General] progosu:
in the exynos version we will have a wolfson audio chip right? which makes it a better phone for people that like to listen to a good quality music on their phones.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] CLARiiON:
Difficult to explain AnTuTu scores properly, as I think no technical manual exists on how it measures and scores.

Possible factors - better A15 revision. Previous versions of Exynos were on older revisions. With each revision there are newer fixes and improved efficiency. Exynos 5422 (in GS5) uses r2p3 (even thought ARM doesn't specifically lists this version in their website). Exynos 5430/5433 uses newer r3p3. I see even a more recent r4p0 exists.

And obviously better GPU should help. That's all I can speculate. You need much more learned man than me to properly explain benchmark numbers.

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Unfortunately again misleading info. The whole world thinks Exynos 5433 uses A57 :laugh:

Faster this myth is broken, better for everyone.

Any Exynos SOC in 5xxx series would be A15-based.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] AndreiLux:
There is no reason because there's nothing out of the ordinary. I'm getting 910/3300 on Geekbench and 42000 in Antutu with the Kirin 925 in the Mate 7 and considering the 5433 has about 50% higher bandwidth than the Kirin and absolute fatter GPU the scores are exactly where they should be.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] SaschaHa:
Both SoCs can handle h265 codec. Some leaked information (a system dump from Note 4) show that the software supports only h263 and h264 but no h265. Same for Galaxy Alpha. GSMArena confirmed, that they could not play any h265 file though it's SoC is able to do this.

That's why I disappointed from Samsung. I hope, there will come an update that supports all the special features of both great SoCs.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] bala_gamer:
One debatable question that comes between 5433 and sd 805 is the implementation of quick charge, if samsung is making use of qualcom quickcharge 2.0 for faster battery charging I wonder what what they will do for 5433
[Galaxy Note 4 General] ipsuvedi:
AFAIK the fast charge is for both versions!
[Galaxy Note 4 General] bala_gamer:
then whats the tech behind it? for qualcomm they have their quickcharge 2.0 supporting all their latest gen soc. havent heard anything as such for exynos variant.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] CLARiiON:
They have mentioned 2 different techs for fast charging - QC 2.0 and Adaptive Fast Charging

I am assuming Adaptive Fast Charging is for the Exynos.

Also Engadget reports that "The charger at least comes with fast-charging capability and the phone maker claims that the battery will charge 30 percent faster when you use the charger that comes in the box. I clarified with Samsung that it chose a proprietary solution instead of licensing Qualcomm's QuickCharge tech, but it insisted that you could still use QuickCharge 2.0-compatible chargers to achieve the same results."
[Galaxy Note 4 General] leomax999:
Those scores are very high for A15, specially single core scores for similar clock.

I don't see much bump in the clocks either. K1 which can go upto 2.3Ghz doesn't get this high scores.

I think we are either looking at a bump in frequency (to around ~2.5Ghz) or a better core.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] invincible_oo7:
Exynos will be the beast?, but with smaller community? of devs..

So hard to decide!!..??

By the way guys...

Check this out... http://is.gd/BEYgw5

Android Authority is giving away Note 4, so don't forget to take part!!☺??
[Galaxy Note 4 General] AndreiLux:
Quickcharge is a marketing term. There is no tech behind it. It's possible on any phone.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] a5ian300zx:
Hi,

Also if i remember correctly from Note 3 the snapdragon will use a builtin Audio Dac while the Exynos had Wolfson Dac much better quality.

I wonder which Audio Dacs these chips use.

Thanks
[Galaxy Note 4 General] SaschaHa:
The main argument for Exynos modell is the fact that it's 20 nm against 28. I think that will result in more battery time.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] bladefrost007:
I replaced my router and it still drops out but comes back on again automatically and reconnects on itself. Not so much of an issue for me.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] angelky:
Lol, ya, actually its not a very big deal, but juz sometimes when u using the internet and it drops out then goes back on again.... its quite a bit annoying......
[Galaxy Note 4 General] bladefrost007:
Lol just a little bit annoying but only takes a few seconds before it reconnects again and you can continue your browsing..

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Oh angel i just noticed we have the same version of the note 4. HK exynos version
[Galaxy Note 4 General] angelky:
True, but, its better be fixed :) I will keep looking for solutions anyway :)

Oh really? But, for my understanding i doubt to think it's coz the phone is HK version would related this issue.....
[Galaxy Note 4 General] bladefrost007:
Let me know when you find a solution[emoji6]
[Galaxy Note 4 General] angelky:
Yes for sure :)
[Galaxy Note 4 General] kristova86:
Opinions

Very good morning to every one.

I am waiting for this device, I am live in Saudi Arabia and after little search here I knew that we will get the version

N910C

and I don't know if it exyons or SN-805 version.

so can any one help me with some information about the device

N910C

and if it wouldn't be supported by Developers, which type I have to buy with SN-805 and LTE supported in my country.

what is the international version will be, is it N910C or N910S or what exactly??

which one is 64 bit (exynos or SN-805)

thanks in advance.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] :
http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=2883741

Galaxy Note4 All Models

All models are listed here 910c is exynos and no one knows which model will be supported best. The exynos is thought to be 64 bit but unless samsung update it then it will be running 32bit. All the answers and info you want are already posted in this forum
[Galaxy Note 4 General] bladefrost007:
Im glad my note 4 is exynos.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] Lodix:
The N910C is the Exynos version, the most supported will be the SN-805 cause USA and Europe will get it. But you will get root and some roms either.

There is no "international version" really, but the Exynos is the ARMv8 with support for 64 bits.

Which frequencies do you need for LTE ??
[Galaxy Note 4 General] kristova86:
thanks for your replay, but how can I know frequencies?
[Galaxy Note 4 General] Lodix:
Which is your carrier ??
[Galaxy Note 4 General] Nuu~:
You have to ask your local service provider about which frequencies they use.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] kristova86:
STC in Saudi arabia
[Galaxy Note 4 General] Lodix:
Then you need 1800/2300... the fisrt one is very common but the second is weird. Last year you were getting both versions ( Exynos 3G + Qualcomm 4G but the international version and didn't have 2300 ) so any model with 1800 will work in your 4G but maybe with not the best coberture.

You can get the European version N910F with SN-805.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] BoneXDA:
I get higher GFX Bench scores with the Adreno 420 (QHD S5 LTEA) than the Note 4 Exynos which is interesting, I expected better raw performance from the T760.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] bladefrost007:
I hope theres more to the exynos. The 64 bit plus the gpu capped. I think custom roms will add more performance in the future.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] tmac31:
Both get very similar scores on manhattan but ye adreno 420 gets little bit more on benchmarks. But game performance is better on exynos. I used note 3 snapdragon and exynos on gpu part adreno almost doubled exynos 1 but i was getting better fps in game with exynos.

So this year we see very similar scores and i think we can see better gaming performance on exynos again. Dunno but adreno always get better scores in benchmarks.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] BoneXDA:
Yeah but is there evidence to this on the 420 vs. T760 level?
[Galaxy Note 4 General] tmac31:
Well we know gta lagging on snapdragon version on max settings but smooth on exynos version.

But gta always lagged on adreno so we gotta see other games . Most important is thermal throttling anyway. What we sure of is they both get very very similar gpu scores in gfxbench(17 off 11 onscreen on both)
[Galaxy Note 4 General] gabrielgon:
Nice man, thanks! I'll keep this mini tutorial just in case I have this issue when I get mine. Thanks again.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] angelky:
No problems :) As this still not the best way to solve it, but....at the moment is better than nothing, cheers :)
[Galaxy Note 4 General] Lodix:
Can you please share a screen shot ? :)
[Galaxy Note 4 General] BarryH_GEG:
The bezel cracked above the S Pen slot on my AT&T Note 3. It required replacing the whole screen assembly which was a $200+ repair. It happened in the second month I had the phone. If I didn't have a warranty I'd have to have eaten the $200+ repair or live with it and take a bath resale wise if I tried to sell the phone. To each their own. ;)

Congratulations. That's the first solid reason I've seen posted about picking one over the other. :good:

To those that missed it, it's

highly

unlikely 5433 will ever support 64 bit. The creator of Perseus kernel

is

[MENTION=4167023]AndreiLux[/MENTION] and he confirmed that without Samsung's support 64 bit can't be enabled in 5433 by third party developers alone. It's no different than enabling HMP in Exynos 5420. It

can

be done but only by Samsung. They ignored 5420 and released 5422 which is almost identical but with HMP enabled. So if you're buying a Exynos Note 4 solely for 64 bit access you may want to think again.

P.S. - To those members that had a two page conversation about Wi-Fi routers I can't tell you how rude and inappropriate that was. Next time, send each other private messages when you're having a detailed conversation that has nothing to do with the topic of the thread.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] BoneXDA:
Sure thing. S5 LTE-A:

Note 4 Exynos from igao7
[Galaxy Note 4 General] Lodix:
Thanks :)
[Galaxy Note 4 General] neflictus:
Man, this is head spinning. Do I make a mistake if I choose the Exynos version instead of the Qualcom?
[Galaxy Note 4 General] BarryH_GEG:
What do you or anyone else here use your phone for the majority of time that makes you think one vs. the other is going to make a difference? If there was lag and stutter on S-800 and Exynos 5420 it's most likely s/w so I doubt even faster h/w is going to help something using so few resources like a screen transition. The choice for gamer's is different. Historically games seem better optimized and tend to perform better on Adreno. At least based on the Samsung forums I follow.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] tmac31:
Games always ran better on mali gpus.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] BarryH_GEG:
Not being a gamer I can't add a single thing. But this should get Interesting. ;)
[Galaxy Note 4 General] -Sweeper_:
Geekbench 3 scores

S805

Single core: 1064

Multi core: 3035

Exynos 5433

Single core: 1253

Multi core: 4170

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D7G3ju8s1f4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J0N4Jd0Vm4E

Not sure about Mali T760 vs Adreno 420 but Exynos's CPU performance is stellar.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] ghawyhob:
Finaly , i decide to buy snapdargon , i know exynos better in cpu performance from what i see in benchmarks but snapdragon 805 better in gpu performance also development support and custom roms and we will have custom kernels which can overclocked the cpu performance so the problem of cpu speed and lower benchmarks can be solved by overclocking
[Galaxy Note 4 General] tmac31:
Well you wont see any difference in normal usage. Maybe exynos 1 will load stuff abit faster but not a big thing. And dont forget s805 already a overclocked chipset. And you can always oc exynos too. But anyway jusy stick the version samsung brings ur country imo it will work best like that
[Galaxy Note 4 General] Lodix:
Overclocking is useless.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] Anmolh:
I dnt know which version to buy any suggestions :(
[Galaxy Note 4 General] ramon2111:
So I am going to buy the note 4 as an upgrade from iphone 5s, I mostly use it for gfaming and videos, so which one should I choose for having a most not lagging gaming performance, and which one you think would keep a better performance by 2-3 years when I will make my next upgrade?
[Galaxy Note 4 General] joelteixeira:
Agreed and both are great chipset. IMO doesn't matter how many benchmarks we see, I doubt anyone would really feel any difference in day by day usage. Facts like the GTA performing bad on SD is not because the cpu isn't capable but some lack of optimization.

Here in Brazil we are getting the exynos variant but I'm a little concerned with battery life. Would love to see gsmarena doing a new test (battery only) on exynos model.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] Lodix:
Yeah me too, in theory Exynos should be a bit more efficiency because of the big.LITTLE and being built in 20nm.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] joelteixeira:
You're right, on the paper it should be better but um concerned after seeing this:

https://twitter.com/MKBHD/status/520931524712341504

I hope is some kind of network issue. [MENTION=2181552]DelBoy[/MENTION] got exynos and he says is great.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] Lodix:
3 Hours onscreen in just 7 hours of use is weird... which model does he have ??

I got Exynos Note 4 too and I have much better autonomy.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] joelteixeira:
It's the exynos, since it'a not the default variant for United States maybe his note 4 is struggling with network (well, i certainly hope so).

Edit: does note 4 have kids mode?
[Galaxy Note 4 General] Lodix:
He seems to have a good network... I tell you that you will can get about 5 hours in one day.

And Yes it has kids mode.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] PhatFishNL:
I have the Exynos version and the batterylife is great. With medium use it can last 2 days. Also the fast charging is such a wonderful addition :good:
[Galaxy Note 4 General] gabrielgon:
He probably has some app keeping the device awake. What's strange about it is that I would guess marques would have noticed that... But I guess exynos is worse regarding battery.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] tmac31:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V0UjjB0ekeQ

Exynos gaming maybe some1 can make it watchable in forum.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] Agaranda:
Hi.

Wich one is better in terms of sound quality trough a pair of high end earphones?
[Galaxy Note 4 General] Ausboy 2011:
Well exynos usually hosts the wolfson audio chip inside but who knows maybe SC would ;)
[Galaxy Note 4 General] BigJPNut:
Nexus 6
[Galaxy Note 4 General] Lodix:
I think Exynos is more futureproof being ARMv8 and built in 20nm. The next Qualcomm Snapdragon 810 will have a very similar CPU as the Exynos 5433.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] ashwin123:
Hey man thanks for sharing - I show the video in the 1st place, nice to see it being shared :)

To embed youtube videos you need to take the part after "watch?v=" in this case "V0UjjB0ekeQ"

Click the YouTube icon above (when you are posting) that will get you [YOUTUBE][/YOUTUBE]

Place V0UjjB0ekeQ in between and you'll have...

[YOUTUBE]V0UjjB0ekeQ[/YOUTUBE]
[Galaxy Note 4 General] FireWall123:
Booked the Snapdragon in white

Mmmmm

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