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[Galaxy Note 4 General] dazed1:
Please someone help me with this.

So i read some articles about the new codec, but it was too much for me. So in short why does Exynos 5433 dont support this coded?

Does videos taken with the Note 4 in 4K offer 10 bit color in H264? if not, does this lower the quality of the videos shot in 4K?

Is the image quality of 4K tight with the coded type, or only by the compression, for example if you have H264 with good enough bitrate, like 48 megabits afaik, does this mean you get same quality like someone with the same phone but using h265 @~ 25 megabits? is the storage saving only advantage?
[Galaxy Note 4 General] jocman7:
vs.

What about battery comparison exynos/snapdragon - screen on time/duration of battery if you pleas?
[Galaxy Note 4 General] lawtq:
Various posts give their opinions in this. Search. I found them the same. But my n910c =s a battery hog! Somethings wrong with it
[Galaxy Note 4 General] tomaszf:
Hi all,

Polish website PCLab did comparision between Snapdragon and Exynos versions of Note 4. General conslusion is that Exynos is better (yes, battery life too). Quite surprising. As I am not allowed to post outisde links, go to Google and search "pclab.pl sm-n910c".
[Galaxy Note 4 General] JiffyReturns:
Hey. Could you translate some more? I didn't find a button to change it to English, doubt there is. I am also choosing in between those 2.

Edit: managed to get the most out with google translate. The only thing still keeping me from purchasing the C is the future dev support
[Galaxy Note 4 General] ars_92:
Exynos 5433 doesnt support h265 encoding,maybe the gpu in the s6 soc will.....
[Galaxy Note 4 General] dazed1:
its hardware limiation or software? can it be fixed with update?

Also would H264 offer lower image quality 8 bit vs 10 bit maybe, for 4K?
[Galaxy Note 4 General] hiepgia:
New kernel patchset enable ARM64 for Exynos 5433:

Samsung will go 64bit with Exynos 5433 on Note 4.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] Ausboy 2011:
Can a dev comment here please :)
[Galaxy Note 4 General] cmd512:
Just got an invoice via US postal service from FedEx, total amount due = $0.00 even with GBP declared value of 494.99. Like I said, FedEx hasn't charged me for Handtec ordered devices for quite some time already. :)
[Galaxy Note 4 General] dazed1:
What does this mean in real world usage?

1. When will this be updated on our devices? (firmware update i guess?)

2. or it must be enabled via root-custom kernel?

3. How it will effect everyday performance on our devices?
[Galaxy Note 4 General] dazed1:
Ok, i did a little digging.

I just found out by that Polish N910C vs N910F review, that the Wolfson DAC in the Alpha, is the same which is featured in the Note 4 910C.

With that being said, this is what you can expect regarding audio quality,

Galaxy Alpha, (Note 4 N910C - same DAC)

Galaxy Note 4 ( N910F)
[Galaxy Note 4 General] hiepgia:
1. Ask Samsung

2. Android 5.0 64 bit or nothing, not only standalone kernel 64 bit.

3. I hope so
[Galaxy Note 4 General] AndreiLux:
Even if the phones have the same audio chip you can't use those measurements to compare them, there's still a plethora of hardware between it and the audio jack which can be different.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] dazed1:
Yes i know, but it should be very similar. Will you test this aspect, and when will you article be ready? :)
[Galaxy Note 4 General] ars_92:
Its a software thing, as the meizu mx4 has hevc hardware decode on the stock video player ,and its kitkat. Lollipop has this natively. Expect samsung to give us that functionality on the lollipop update
[Galaxy Note 4 General] SJGSM:
Exynos 20nm better than 28nm snapdragon

Exynos is cooler and battery friendly
[Galaxy Note 4 General] Lodix:
Well... the hardware has to support it. The Exynos 5433 and the Snapdragon 805 have support to decode h.265 but not to encode.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] gabi11:
I'm also before purchasing the note.

Until now, the only model that was officially sold in my country was the n910f.

Yesterday some shops started selling the n910c with official warranty.

I've been reading a lot about the differences, and just want to make sure I'm about to make the right choice - n910c.

I don't really care having a huge development community, give me one good rom and kernel and I'm satisfied (never had the chance to try perseus, I have the i9505 ☺) .

Are there any other advantages toward the n910f?

Thanks!
[Galaxy Note 4 General] JiffyReturns:
AFAIK there are a few advantages, the ability to use the CAT.6 modem and some better benchmarks in the graphics department (IIRC 5-7%). I also looked up the polish comparison and took the liberty to translate the first part of the conclusion with GTranslate. Here follows: This - a little childish - headline perfectly sums up our comparison of the two versions of the Samsung Galaxy Note 4, and we hope that this will facilitate the capture of all these definitions of the model;) Just after the tests we had no doubt that the Galaxy Note 4 SM-N910C with Exynos is better than Note'a 4 SM-N910F with 805. already Snapdragon processor issues aside, Hertz and other parameters, which are read aloud well to excel in the role of children Sleeper SM-N910C has far fewer problems with the speed of reaction, efficient and effective system and more even performance tests duration of action (mainly due to the fact that no energy is wasted during idle). So this equipment is more polished and because we recognize that this is the only choice. As an added bonus we get a much more modern, 64-bit processor (which your options really show until after an upgrade to Android 5.0) and a little better headphone, but just those two things will recognize and fully appreciate the relatively few users. Also, the F version supposedly holds the SONY_IMX240 while according to gsmarena, the C variant has an ISOCELL camera. (Posted on 27.11 The Galaxy Note 4 with Exynos chipset has an ISOCELL camera). Lastly only the C version uses Wolfson DAC.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] Lodix:
The Snapdragon can give a bit better results in benchmarks about GPU, but in real life-games the Exynos performs much better.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] tmac31:
This info is wrong it was phonearena's article and they removed it cuz it was just wrong software info on exynos. Last software update fixed it now all versions show sony sensor in isp menu.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] gabi11:
Thanks.

I still have to verify whether I'll be able to buy it from the stores that sell the n910c (work issues), but when summing all the differences, it seems like the exynos variant will be the better choice....
[Galaxy Note 4 General] tploumen:
Then how do you explain this...?!?

See attachment...
[Galaxy Note 4 General] velimr:
there goes another round *grabs popcorn*

ps. I have exynos one, wanted exynos one, luckily exynos one is officially available in Croatia (except at one operator and imported in one store).. but wouldn't enjoy my phone less if I got snapdragon one..
[Galaxy Note 4 General] JiffyReturns:
That's why I said supposedly. I also read under the comments that after the update it didn't show, but no1 confirmed it 100%.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] tmac31:
Well on my 910c it shows sony
[Galaxy Note 4 General] rayone:
Why can't you'll with the different version start posting benchmark results.

Antutu?

I think the Exy wins but just bcos of the 20nm fab, and more recent architecture. While the SD805 ain't bad, it's been overclocked just to match the performance of the Exy.

And I think the N910U is the best version out there for my country (Australia) but the idiots brought over the N910G with the OC'ed SoC.

I've been using a G906S since August, and performance wise it's very good.

[IMG="G906S"]https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-p6Hmfu3pdAE/VFRvnuZc01I/AAAAAAAAI54/P4TQMMLK980/s1440/Screenshot_2014-11-01-16-12-46.png[/IMG]
[Galaxy Note 4 General] Ausboy 2011:
I got my i910u i live in aus and loving it :)
[Galaxy Note 4 General] robt772000:
Where did you get it? I have an Aus 910g and am thinking of getting a 910g for my wife. 910g runs hot.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] Ausboy 2011:
Quality deals on ebay
[Galaxy Note 4 General] SJGSM:
Exynos 8 cores 20nm for ever:

19° Celsius and running.

With Note 3 snapdragon was 42° Celsius battery icon in RED
[Galaxy Note 4 General] Kit:
Got my Exynos U from personal digital. Was able to pickup from george st in the first batch from hongkong.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] gekkehenkie11:
Preview from Cyanogenmod 12 running on Snapdragon: https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B_oPSXZoVv8HT0M0Vzd4c0Y4dEE/edit

Just see how fluent & fast it is. Pretty much the reason I hate that lagging horrible CPU hog called Touchwiz. And makes me really happy I bought the Snapdragon.

(wait for it ;))
[Galaxy Note 4 General] bala_gamer:
Its pretty apparent that exynos has the upper hand compared to sd805,why do people still debate about exynos vs snapdragon on note 4?
[Galaxy Note 4 General] AndreiLux:
Looks the same as stock performance to me. Is CM running a MPdecision daemon or did it get a kernel port?
[Galaxy Note 4 General] rayone:
I paid A$719 for a N910G, -10% GST as it's for work ;)

so all in it would be $653, vs $895 for a N910U... might be able to get a VR Gear for the difference.

N910U is still the best SKU though... damn u Samsung for making so MANY versions of everything.

PS: Antutu score???
[Galaxy Note 4 General] Ausboy 2011:
You can probably get U cheaper now i seen it for around 819 the other day
[Galaxy Note 4 General] cmd512:
Purchase validation.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] rayone:
https://twitter.com/andrewbritton76/status/532890487103819776

@ID_AA_Carmack

Hi John are you able to tell us yet if the Exynos version of the note4 will work with Gear vr yet? Thanks!

From Carmack:

[MENTION=601027]andrewbritt[/MENTION]on76 it is running internally, but lagging Snapdragon performance a bit.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] iba21:
As i saw this tw isn't so choppy.. someone could say "i don't like it"

The Sense UI is the best in all arguments, fast, beautiful, minimal

Personally i love the original lollipop launcher.. and those animations.. mmmm
[Galaxy Note 4 General] lawtq:
An Egyptian river
[Galaxy Note 4 General] gabi11:
Because people like me, that thinking about buying it, are searching the web and keep seeing arguments about which one is better and putting me in a dilemma... [emoji1]

But won't you miss ton of TW note features (especially s pen abilities if it doesn't work the same on aosp...)

Currently I have the i9505 with GE rom. I also tried aosp and of course TW.

But I think that in the s4, the features I gave up on are in my opinion mostly gimmicks.

It looks like that the note has nicer and more usable features.

Of course every samsung has gimmicks, but the note has features that actually seperate it from other "big phones".

But I never had a note so I could be wrong... [emoji1]
[Galaxy Note 4 General] SJGSM:
Any one knows how to unlock 64bit mode in Exynos?
[Galaxy Note 4 General] Lodix:
You will have to wait for lollipop.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] gekkehenkie11:
I can only speak for Snapdragon since I own that one but Touchwiz there is WAY WAY WAY worse. I've read reports from people who said Touchwiz improved, that's just untrue, it's as horrible as it was on the S4. It's slow, it's laggy and I want it gone :) Can't wait to flash CM12 :)
[Galaxy Note 4 General] tmac31:
Well if its not just exynos power my note 4 definetly faster than my nexus 5. And definetly not compareble with my old s800 note 3. Difference is way too much
[Galaxy Note 4 General] dazed1:
What? no chance, you can put an i5 to touchwiz, and it won't be faster then Nexus 5. Its quite better then S5, and any other touchwiz phone, but its not on a same level with stock Android, no chance.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] tmac31:
well im confident about what i say i didnt read it on somewhere i just tried myself.. you can try if you have same phones around you. i can say its faster than my iphone 6 plus too(on 3rd party apps.)

this video shows exynos note 4 is faster than 6 plus too..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GVkaY-F6Zhs&list=UUhYU73igK5wQhWAXPh3X8PA

ps:im not saying its about cpu power or not. maybe exynos version has better software for now and it can just change in future. but i can definetly say its one of fastest phone ive used. and im sure about it . i always hated tw but this time definetly fast and smooth in everywhere.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] Ausboy 2011:
Agreed tw on my exynos n4 flies its that damn fast
[Galaxy Note 4 General] alex3run:
But it is faster. I know ya'll hate TouchWiz but Exynos Galaxy Note 4 (SM-N910C) definitely isn't slower than Nexus 5. That's my personal experience.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] dazed1:
I got the 910C, but its not faster.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] Nuu~:
I've had both, the Exynos N910C and the SD N910F so I thought I'd write a little about the differences I personally noticed.

The real world performance difference (I don't really play games, so I haven't tested the gaming performance very much) between the two versions isn't that big as some claim it is.

The Exynos opens applications a split second faster and stays a little cooler than the Snapdragon. By no means does the SD get hot by what I've been doing with it.

The scrolling performance is almost equal too. The Snapdragon has some microstutter where the Exynos doesn't, but in my opinion it's negligible as the famous Android stutter isn't gone on the Exynos either. It's something you'd only notice side-by-side.

I found the battery life to be better on the Snapdragon. My usage consists of mostly Web browsing on 3G, chatting on IRC, writing emails, listening to music and sometimes streaming online radios.

I managed to get about 6.5 hours of SoT on the Snapdragon but only 5 hours on the Exynos while doing the same on both devices.

The 3G speeds and signal strength were equal on both models.

The idle battery drain was also the same. Both devices were losing about 1% every 2 hours.

I hope that clears things up a little for those who are still undecided about which model to buy.

Both devices were completely stock on Dalvik without root or custom ROM.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] shinasurada:
I wonder if it could be the 910c radio not being as efficient as the snapdragon radio over 3g? Do you not have LTE in your area? Which location are you at?
[Galaxy Note 4 General] Ausboy 2011:
I get great battery life on exynos (U) version. 6 hours is a piece of cake even with 3g/4g
[Galaxy Note 4 General] Nuu~:
Yep, I thought the same but haven't really looked into it yet.

The SoT seems to be closer together on WiFi but the Snapdragon still takes the lead by quite a bit.

I live in Europe and there is no LTE in my area yet.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] shinasurada:
The u version has a different modem as well, i think its the intel one.

The c version has the st ericsson modem

The f version has the qualcomm gobi modem

---------- Post added at 01:54 AM ---------- Previous post was at 01:50 AM ----------

BTW can you verify if OK google voice command while screen is off will work on the n910c?
[Galaxy Note 4 General] ShadowFlare:
I really wish the idle battery drain is much lower, just like my Z3 Compact, where it only drains 2% throughout the night (8hrs) while I sleep on LTE without WiFi.

My N910C drain 6% throughout the night (8hrs) on 3G with WiFi. I really miss my Z3C idle drain -_-
[Galaxy Note 4 General] gekkehenkie11:
So you're comparing your z3 without wifi with your note WITH wifi ? wouldnt it make more sense to compare them equally ? WIFI drains battery of course.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] shinasurada:
I think his point is that even with 3g which drains more battery, his z3c outperforms the note 4 on a less battery consuming connection which is the wifi.

On a side note, I love android but the iPhone is godly in terms standby battery drain.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] AndreiLux:
Yes it works. Contrary to popular belief this is not a Qualcomm SoC feature.

3G will always drain less in idle. Android is ****ed in terms of wakelocks and Wifi.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] shinasurada:
Thanks for the correction, Andrei. Any theories on the different modems and battery consumption? The Intel 40nm modem seems to outperform the 28nm St ericsson modem power consumption wise based on feedback but there aren't enough data points so I can't say for sure.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] ShadowFlare:
As explained by others, LTE by itself is known to drain more than LTE + WiFi. Because LTE's Data power consumption is huge compared to when it's assisted by WiFi.

3G power consumption is comparable to WiFi according to my experience. But when I switch off WiFi and let my N910C on 3G, it drains even more battery! Like 10% throughout the night of 8hrs instead of 6%.

My Z3 Compact is also completely stock, unrooted, no bloatware was disabled, and not under Stamina Mode, It could last 4 days with light use. My N910C can barely do 2 days with light use lol :p

Idle power management is not good on our Note 4, Samsung need to put more effort, like Sony did to theirs :(
[Galaxy Note 4 General] mehrdadt63:
Ultimately if you want pick a one , which one is your choise ?

plz .... just say F or C :D
[Galaxy Note 4 General] robt772000:
If you want roms like cm12 then go 805 but if you want touchwiz that runs cooler with a slight performance advantages and possible 64bit then go exynos. Im getting both.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] dazed1:
Тhere is one theory, that N910F and N910C, while having the same camera, might shot different quality pictures, (due to tie different ISP) with N910F being better in the daylight, while 910C being better during the night. Can anyone who have them both, please compare them at the best possible way you can, same settings, same time of day, same position, and on tripod if possible? thanks so much :)
[Galaxy Note 4 General] JiffyReturns:
Lollipop on S5 in 31 days. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G2DW6YKhLxY&feature=youtu.be - meaning the support on either model isn't far apart, Samsung takind hold of the horses?
[Galaxy Note 4 General] Ogy77:
N910C support Lte 4g?
[Galaxy Note 4 General] Lodix:
Yes, it does.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] AndreiLux:
I'm not sure about modem battery. I would need to have all the units in my hands to compare that.

I also finished my article, you'll be seeing go online at 11AM UTC tomorrow.

EDIT: It got postponed due to technical issues... sorry everyone.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] Blobq:
Hello

I have been following this thread with some interest and I'm still confused, can someone clarify my questions?

910f is snapdragon 910c is exynos?

CM12 rom will only run on snapdragon?

If CM12 is used as the rom, does this make the s-pen non useable?

Is exynos more fluid with tw?

I'm in uk and will be using Vodafone network on 4g, does it matter what chip version I use?

Thanks.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] dazed1:
1. SD

2. I guess yes

3. Yes

4. Yes

5. Not sure
[Galaxy Note 4 General] dazed1:
Postponed till when? :(
[Galaxy Note 4 General] -Sweeper_:
+1

When is it going online? :(

They just published an article about SanDisk, maybe they don't want to post 2x important articles at nearly the same time.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] AndreiLux:
Early-ish next week, sorry it's not my fault. :(
[Galaxy Note 4 General] Lodix:
Can you spoiler us anything interesting ? :P
[Galaxy Note 4 General] AndreiLux:
Basically I summed it up 2 weeks ago, less browser time than the snapdragon, more gpu battery but at lower performance. Much much higher CPU performance on the Exynos. The article is 13000 words but that's the jest of it.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] -Sweeper_:
Managed to get 8 hours on-screen time on my N910C Exynos model - watched two >2 hours long 1080p movies, lots of web browsing @ WiFi and a bit of 3G web browsing and gaming (GTA San Andreas). Thats twice the OST of my older LG G3. :cool:

@ Andrei thanks for the info. I'm curious about the gfx benchmarks, from my testing Exynos beats S805 in BasemarkX and it's slightly slower ~5% in 3DMark and GFXBench (using S805 numbers from AnandTech's Note 4 review).
[Galaxy Note 4 General] dazed1:
Many users don't realize this. If you use constantly your phone, you will get MUCH higher SOT then if you used it very little, and charge every 2 days.

You lose like 1% battery on 1 hour, so in 24 hours you will lose at least 20% battery life, and have much less SOT then someone else using it at once since he plugged it off from the charger.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] JiffyReturns:
I am between the same choice.. I could get the C for 789€ from Elisa cause I'm not a client there and the F for 650€ from EMT. I would really like the C but I am not sure anymore if it's worth going 150€ over :s. Could anyone throw in an opinion?
[Galaxy Note 4 General] dazed1:
No, it does not worth, even if i have the C ;)
[Galaxy Note 4 General] shinasurada:
Is the reduction in browser time significant?

What is the importance of CPU vs GPU and how does it affect usage?
[Galaxy Note 4 General] dazed1:
Cpu is more important, it effects everything, GPU games mostly, and slightly the UI, but only if the device has noticeably slower gpu, which is not the case here.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] AndreiLux:
12%. But I think it's fixable by custom kernel.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] Lodix:
We are waiting for yours :P

The Snapdragon 810 has the same configuration of CPU as the 5433, can they make in some way a noticeable different in performance in any way ?? Like cache or something ?? just talking about the CPU apart.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] megatooth:
What will happen if Samsung allows 64-bit @ Lollipop? Those with the Exynos will laugh with Snapdragon?
[Galaxy Note 4 General] AndreiLux:
The S810 is higher clocked (1555/1958), has LPDDR4 memory, and has a fatter GPU. It's going to be faster. The 7420 is the competitor to the S810, not the 5433. Plus we haven't had any S810 devices even announced yet...

yea
[Galaxy Note 4 General] -Sweeper_:
If thats a real Galaxy S6 then Exynos 7420 looks remarkably similar to our Exynos 5433:

- A57/A53 cores: 1.8GHz clock but thats a prototype, I expect Samsung to match or beat Qualcomm S810 clockspeeds in the final version. 64-bit support.

- 3GB RAM

- Mali T760 GPU: Adreno 430 should be 30% faster than Adreno 420. Samsung could opt for an MP8 variant (33% more shader cores than Exynos 5433) at similar clockspeed or even a lower-clocked MP10 variant.

- 20nm HKMG Samsung process? I guess 14nm FF should be ready for Note 5.

Exynos 5433 looks a little bit like a 2015 chip in 2014. :p

https://translate.google.com/transl...tp://www.cnmo.com/news/459610.html&edit-text=
[Galaxy Note 4 General] Nuu~:
People always make 64 bit support a much bigger deal than it really is.

Yes, it does have significant performance increases in specific scenarios, but it's nothing you'll realise in day to day usage unless you do some kind of number crunching on your phone.

For regular applications the difference is much lower.

As an example, take a look at desktop Firefox and Goggle Chrome.

Their 64 bit versions are not really faster than the 32 bit builds.

This is also the case for many other programs and should be no different for Android.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] megatooth:
It does not matter. It's a big asses from Samsung. Overnight will turn my note4snap in Note 4 Neo. :fingers-crossed:

Cinderella!
[Galaxy Note 4 General] AndreiLux:
It's 1.8 GHz on the little cores. Those are probably final clocks.

And I'm pretty much sure it's 14nm.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] bala_gamer:
14nm?? :eek::eek::eek: are they skipping 20nm altogether then? being 5433 the only product
[Galaxy Note 4 General] Ausboy 2011:
20nm im sure was only a stepping stone
[Galaxy Note 4 General] DANOFDANGER:
Exynos 7420 is the same as 5433 save for 64bit support, i believe it was done for confusion prevention on marketing.

810 is 20nm but as i understand the big.little archetecture may be a temporary replacement until they bring their own in.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] hiepgia:
It's a short node. Samsung will use it for baseband chip or another arm64 chip.

Samsung 14nm fab is ready. And Exynos 7420 will use it
[Galaxy Note 4 General] AndreiLux:
They're two totally different chips.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] Log[]:
I read on multiple sites that the 7420 is just a rebranded 5433. Only they changed the modem.