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[Galaxy Note 4 General] ShadowFlare:
I think EE only uses 1800MHz LTE band, while Vodafone use 800MHz and 2600MHz.

LTE-A will use the same frequency as LTE and will work with Cat4, only you won't get the LTE-A speeds, They are supposedly backwards compatible.. Kinda like plugging USB 2 flash disk to a USB 3 port..... or USB 3 flash disk plugged to USB 2 port.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] cooldoc007:
i know samsung could.. and what i meant is that only samsung could do it.. i doubt if developers will be able to unlock it.. and most probably sammy wont want it to run in 64bit mode as the SD version doesnt support it..

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I doubt we'll be seeing AArch64 from the community if Samsung doesn't support it themselves, and similar to the 5420 HMP it's because the software stack is tied to the bootloader which is closed source. Of course they could update it but they have absolutely no incentive to do so and the probability in my opinion is near zero. - this is what andreilux posted quite a while back.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] hiepgia:
Bootloader in Exynos Devices Build with AArach64 toolkit. So bootloader is 64bit.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] bogdan_wrc:
Anybody knows the exact differences between

SM-N910FD

and

SM-N910F

?

first is for UAE and the other for Europe. will the one from UAE work in EUR? both have 805 snapdragon..but same networks?

thanks
[Galaxy Note 4 General] ShadowFlare:
Weird, someone from Qatar confirmed he got SM-910C version. which is pretty much SM-910F but with Exynos. But after searching that SM-910FD model, it lead me to lists showing this model as UAE model, as you said.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] iznee:
I can confirm to you that the device sold in Qatar is 910C because I got one. I belive in UAE and Saudi is the same model as well.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] hanykabeel:
I got mine from Kuwait and all the network providers are selling the SM-910 C which make me think why is it different than Dubai !! why did they select the SM-910 s with the snapdragon 805 to run in UAE while in Kuwait they sell the Exynos 5433 version.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] BarryH_GEG:
[MENTION=4167023]AndreiLux[/MENTION] is one of if not the most prominent kernel developer(s) on XDA. There's a bounty on the forum trying to convince him to write a kernel for the Exynos Note 4. He's the author of this article on AnandTech discussing 5433. It's pretty straight forward. 5433 is 64 bit capable but running in 32 bit mode. He's said multiple times in this thread that third parties can't get it working in 64 bit alone so it's up to Samsung. If he's saying it can't be done I'd take that over some lesser sources saying it can. Samsung's never mentioned that 5433 is 64 bit capable in any of their PR or interviews either.

http://www.anandtech.com/show/8537/samsungs-exynos-5433-is-an-a57a53-arm-soc

To make things even more interesting, Samsung announced Exynos 7 as a future chip. Here's the official Exynos 7 B2B website.

http://www.samsung.com/global/business/semiconductor/minisite/Exynos/m/solution.html#?v=7octa

Unless I'm missing it, no where on it does it mention 64 bit. Has anyone seen a press release from Samsung directly saying Exynos 7 is 64 bit? The press covering it have been saying it is but it's odd, at least from what I've found, that there's nothing saying so from Samsung. [MENTION=4167023]AndreiLux[/MENTION] can comment but Exynos 7 appears to be identical or near identical to 5433 specs wise.

Possibilities:

5422 was a near identical chip to 5420 and the former shipped with HMP enabled. We all know Samsung

could

have gone back and updated 5420 and didn't. So Exynos 7 could end up being an updated 5433 with 64 bit capabilities and a new model number leaving 5433 to remain 32 bit.

Exynos 7 is really 5433 with a new name and when it starts shipping under that new name will have 64 bit enabled. Samsung will via s/w update versions that shipped as 32 bit to 64 bit.

Samsung could care less about any of this knowing that the masses don't buy devices based on processor better yet the difference between HMP vs. non-HMP and 32 bit vs. 64 bit. Especially when it'll take many months for a critical mass of 64 bit Android devices to be in people's hands for app developers to start investing in coding for it. People on XDA care about this stuff; the masses not so much. How many people traded in six month old Note 3's for SGS5's simply to get HMP? Tens?

My

guess

is #3. Samsung will introduce 64 bit, probably with much fanfare, knowing it's not going to sell more devices but extracting PR value from it. Unless some major change in their thinking occurs the 64 bit version of 5433 will have a new model number and 5433 will die 32 bit.

All just my opinion

. You're all welcome to believe and debate your own. Bottom line is no one here (me included) can do anything but speculate what Samsung's future SoC product and positioning plans are and how they'll treat previously released products from an upgrade stand point.

Believe what makes you happy. ;)
[Galaxy Note 4 General] oh-beacon:
Where to buy in Canada

I bought all international phones from this company:

3310 - 4151 Hazelbridge Way

Richmond, British Columbia V6X 4K2

Phone	(604) 295-6628

Email	sales@easycellular.ca

Right now they are selling 910U Exynos and 910W8 Snapdragon.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] tmac31:
I doubt they will activate 64 bit but they didnt even introduce exynos 5433 . Exynos 7 and 5433 is same chipset you can see they dont have 5433 in their exynos page. There is only exynos 7 and it says note 4 has exynos 7

When android l come to note 4 it will be like january and all hype will be gone. If they enable 64 bit without a word probably no1 will care and even know about it instead of xda people. Like last year exynos wasnt 4k cappable but still no1 cared and most of the people dont even know what it is. Its not a big marketing boost thing they always release a better version of galaxy s version and people still buy a normal version. Cuz they dont know there is a better version. If they didnt sell exynos version in korea (korea always gets better version) i would be 100% sure that they wont even care about exynos but there is little.chance this time.

And whatever 64 bit is more gimmicky than 4k record for me.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] oh-beacon:
Rogers Canada

910W8 from Rogers
[Galaxy Note 4 General] KindaJackedForANerd:
Then wtf is this http://www.samsung.com/global/business/semiconductor/minisite/Exynos/m/showcase.html#?v=smartphones showing exynos 7 as the chip on Samsung website
[Galaxy Note 4 General] AndreiLux:
To all of above;

Exynos 7 is as imprecise as "Exynos 5 Octa". There's 5 different "5 Octa"'s out there (5410 5420 5422 5430 5800). It's just that, a family name and not an SKU name. The 5410 was marketed just as "5 Octa" until the 5420 was released.

Same for "Exynos 7". They decided to include and market the 5433 as one. Then there's the 7420 which we'll see in the S6 next spring. They're two different chips.

There's no point in arguing about naming shenanigans.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] bogdan_wrc:
the fact is that i have the option to buy it from qatar and use it in europe, but i thought the FQ version was sold in the area.

so the C one will work flawless in europe? i red reviews that in US the exynos version have smaller battery time due to searching for other networks.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hoQKLOrAU4E&list=UUBJycsmduvYEL83R_U4JriQ

if you thought you know the models, then be amazed :))))

http://www.galaxynote4manual.com/samsung-galaxy-note-4-model-numbers-explained-region/

http://www.droidviews.com/list-samsung-galaxy-note-4-models/

so whats the difference between F and FD? some LTE bands perhaps?
[Galaxy Note 4 General] ShadowFlare:
Yeah, those 2 sites are where I got the references for models, plus of course the thread in this General section too.

http://xdaforums.com/note-4/general/galaxy-note-4-versions-cpu-t2883741
[Galaxy Note 4 General] hiepgia:
The important thing is bootloader already in 64 bit. Seem Samsung get ready to update Note 4 Exynos to Androidv5.0 with 64bit. It's not hard, compile kernel (some small change) with Aarch64 and some config in device specific.

Update to 64bit isn't take much time or make more perf.

Let Samsung decide.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] tmac31:
yes its true but since there isnt a better solution came from arm yet. 7420 will be a overclocked 5433 with 100% sure 64 bit and a better gpu last years shown that samsung doesnt really pass note hardware with s series.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] JunaidZaka:
They are selling SM-910C (Exynos variant) here in the UAE
[Galaxy Note 4 General] Yasser.etreby:
true!

ps: i hate his kind of ads

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I believe Exynos 5433 is better than Snapdragon 805, :cool: will give you better performance & Better battery life according to the 20nm technology, also better GPU!! so??!! ;)

PS: as some guys mention about the devs team for snapdragon is 5x more than Exynos?? :eek: here is the thing.. Devs love to challenge, they like to fight every new hard technology in the market specially when most of them are working for free, so guys don't worry GO FOR EXYNOS!! DEVS supporting you! :)
[Galaxy Note 4 General] ghawyhob:
I will go for exynos n910c soon
[Galaxy Note 4 General] TraNe15:
I don't think so. We all know that some exynos devices get good dev support but this time I'm not sure. Just look Note 3. They still waiting for CM... It's just my opinion. Let's wait and see.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] tmac31:
official samsung webpage in my country says exynos version is 64 bit. they changed it today i guess.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] cyberz:
Where is your country and a link to the page you mentions would be appreciated ;)
[Galaxy Note 4 General] tmac31:
http://www.samsung.com/tr/promotions/galaxynote4/spec/
[Galaxy Note 4 General] iba21:
Why you would have 64bit in note4?

In my opinion, note4 wont have 64bit anymore.. why?

I was so stupid to believe samsung upgrade his hardware for free, i'm meaning the famouse exy 5420.. it was capable of hmp, never upgraded

Samsung will never upgrade to 64bit because it has to use 64bit for new phones
[Galaxy Note 4 General] pedmond:
How exactly will 64 bit improve a phone with "only" 3GB memory?
[Galaxy Note 4 General] BarryH_GEG:
We know that it's currently not though. Samsung's website contents doesn't really mean anything. They described Magazine UX on the Pro tablets in great detail on their websites and that detail matched the s/w on devices reviewers received to test. 2/3 of the features were disabled on shipping units (to appease Google) and what was on the website modified. So Samsung Turkey could have let the cat out of the bag early and eventually Exynos Note 4's will be 64 bit enabled or what's on the website will just quietly disappear. In other words, I wouldn't read too much in to what one minor market's website says as to what Samsung's future direction really is.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] hiepgia:
64 bit not only improve RAM management but also support new data type 64 bit as well as instruction 64 bit with will improve Application Performance if it support 64 bit

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If samsung upgrade Note 4 to 64 bit so what will you think?:D
[Galaxy Note 4 General] BarryH_GEG:
Samsung's always tried to ensure performance and feature parity on devices that shipped with both Exynos and Snapdragon. If they make Exynos Note 4's 64 bit and make a big deal out of it what good would that do? All it would accomplish is creating the perception that S-805 devices are somehow inferior. Outside of XDA 64 bit means nothing so why create confusion in the marketplace by hyping something not every Note 4 purchaser will receive and 90+% of purchasers won't understand or miss anyway?
[Galaxy Note 4 General] iba21:
Well it wont do it! :D

Anyway it could be a goos think if samsung choses to unlock the 64but function, but, as i sad, samsung could turn on hmp on 5420, but, it used it only for the 5422 over s5 octa.. and s6 will have 64bit since s5 still have hmp.. and s7 will have 64bit + 4gb ram..

Always little upgrades every time..

Anyway as andreilux sad, exy 7 (probably 7420) will be different than the 5433, so, it will have 64bit..

Oh right, why you would have 64bit in the phone when there isn't 64bit code?

i'm meaning, where are apps?

Apple choses to upgrade chips at 64bit and now all want it?!?

What the shame :D

Will you have better phone experience? I'm on a nexus 5 with android L, and, art works good, now the code is different, is faster, so faster, never seen a fast interface as that material design, always pure 60fps

So.. 64bit will be usefull when there will be phones with 4gb of ram, and sure, when code will be corrected for the 64bit

Does someone remember the switch from x86 to x64? It was so slow.. too slow..
[Galaxy Note 4 General] BarryH_GEG:
He also mentioned the SGS6 may be the first to receive an Exynos 64 bit (enabled) chip which kind of makes sense. With the SGS4 sales were probably 25% Exynos and 75% Snapdragon. With the SGS5/Note 3 it was probably 35%/65%. With the Tab S it's probably 90%/10% and the Note 4's probably around 60%/40%. With all Samsung's profit and margin woes it would make sense to focus on Exynos in their flagships to support both their mobile and semiconductor businesses. So it's a guess but wouldn't surprise me if the SGS6 was close to 100% Exynos and the first "official" 64 bit Samsung device. All

pure

speculation on my part.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] iba21:
I think the same as you..

And i'd want to add this

qualcomm's 64bit chip will be equally than the exy 7.. octa + 64bit cortex, and not krait, it means diffenrences will be in other transistors, as like other chips or better memory menagement or better gpu.. for ex

That's why probably samsung will come back to exy for all of it'a devices
[Galaxy Note 4 General] BarryH_GEG:
The only real reason I'm guessing they left was the early LTE radio band limitations which made going with Qualcomm SoC/radio combinations the easier and safer choice based on the volumes Samsung needs. Clearly they've overcome that challenge with the UK Exynos Note 4 supporting nine LTE bands; the largest number I've seen. They've successfully used both PowerVR and Mali with Exynos so I doubt GPU compatibility or performance comes in to play. Has their been an Exynos Note 4 teardown published yet? I'm curious to see whose radio/modem is in it.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] Lodix:
Can someone run Gamebench with Asphalt 8 in the Qualcomm device ???

Mali gives me 60fps all the time.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] AndreiLux:
Samsung's in Korea, Intel in SEA, Ericsson's everywhere else.

Anyway they won't stop using Qualcomm even for the S6 due to CDMA.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] bjrmd:
Why do you think all the note 2 varients (I have a cdma usa sprint one) used exynos?
[Galaxy Note 4 General] iba21:
What do you mean about cdma?
[Galaxy Note 4 General] bjrmd:
In the usa we have 2 of the 4 carriers use gsm and 2 use cdma. The cdma is different from elsewhere and now they(verizon and sprint) use different 4g bands. Bottom line is it makes it hard or impossible to use a non carrier device and get full 4g coverage.

So even if you were willing to spend more to get an overseas device cause you want the exynos chip or a wolfson dac for audio, you would be ending up with antiquated radio data speeds.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] TechAnimal:
I think I read somewhere that the FD is dual sim...
[Galaxy Note 4 General] bogdan_wrc:
nope. as you can see from the links above, the FD is single sim.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] yahyoh:
Woah

[YOUTUBE]GcLeYRZDkTE[/YOUTUBE]

but seems like 3GB of ram isnt enough o.O it reloaded half of the apps on the second run :eek:
[Galaxy Note 4 General] Zanr Zij:
That's Samsung. Sony Z3 does not load on second run! Simply Note 4 has much more features and TW is heavier than other!
[Galaxy Note 4 General] tmac31:
yes generally on note 4 1-1.4 gb ram is free i bet z3 has more . note 4 has alot of feature that eats ram. but multitasking is fine no slow down etc when you use pop up windows (tried 3 browser youtube and twitter together it was great.). performance improved alot with new tw so i prefer features over 10 apps running in the background which i wont ever need anyday.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] gabrielgon:
This bothers me too. It's nice to have the fastest smartphone on earth, but terrible multitasking? There are other videos that shows the Z3, M8 and iphone 6 multitasking and all of them are much better at keeping apps opened in the background.

I'll try to take a lot of the bloat away when mine arrives to see if it helps.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] bogdan_wrc:
the C/F variant is written on the box? or how can i identify the model by the box?
[Galaxy Note 4 General] acsbg:
Theres a few labels that state 910C or F or whatever, also if its the exynos the info on the back will say octa core processor or quad if its the snapdragon
[Galaxy Note 4 General] hari smart:
exynos 5433 is 64 bit one......whereas snapdragon 805 in 32 bit:p..........so once android L arrives there will be a vast difference in processing.....

once app developers take advantage of 64 bit arch then exy version can enjoy all while 805 will be left out..... i guess android L will we given fr note 4 before feb and its worth to mention about 610 and 410 64 bit processors of snapdragon for budget phones.........

so by the end of 2015 most of the forth coming above average mobiles will be 64 bit with android L and will cherish with app developers support......it doesnt mean that 32 bit is left out but will surely lack high end games and productivity apps as now seen iphones..........

so having an exynos version is wiser than snapdragon:angel: and this time exynos version is the international one so it ll have enough developement as much as snapdragon one.......:good::fingers-crossed:

if am right press the thanks button:good:
[Galaxy Note 4 General] BarryH_GEG:
Good lord. Did you read any of this thread? 5433 isn't 64 bit enabled, its 64 bit "capable." It's currently hard coded to run in 32 bit via code written by Samsung. Only they, via an update, can enable 64 bit. And no one knows whether or not that's going to happen.

[MENTION=4167023]AndreiLux[/MENTION]. This is a Geekbench score from a shipping Nexus 9. Does this mean it's running in 32 bit or is Geekbench not set up to recognize 64 bit devices yet?

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Geekbench reads the iPad Air 2 as 64 bit so unless it's reading Nvidia's K1 chip wrong (it's 64 bit capable) the Nexus 9 isn't running 64 bit either. If true, none of Google's own 5.0 devices will support 64 bit (the S-805 can't anyway); at least not as it stands.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] AndreiLux:
Up to the Geekbench guys to know. The Nexus 9 has a 64bit kernel.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] ctrlbrk:
Which model exactly supports nine LTE bands?

Sent from my phone
[Galaxy Note 4 General] ShadowFlare:
UK -Snapdragons- do have 9 LTE bands: B1(2100), B2(1900), B3(1800), B4(AWS), B5(850), B7(2600), B8(900), B17(700), B20(800) -> 910F

UAE's Exynoses, coincidentally have the same bands as UK's, so they have 9 LTE bands as well, looking at their spec page anyway -> 910C
[Galaxy Note 4 General] Fuzzi99:
The Samsung rep for NZ has told us that the 910U (at least) WILL be 64bit enabled upon the release of 5.0.

Also the bootloader is currently AArch64...

Sent from my fabulous Note 4 Exynos
[Galaxy Note 4 General] hari smart:
does n910c supports tdd lte bands??? in official samsung website for uae they mentioned that 910c supports fdd band.......whether n910c work in india.......i mean in lte
[Galaxy Note 4 General] iba21:
What do you think about tegra dualcore arch?
[Galaxy Note 4 General] rambo_relax:
gpu exynos

do you know gpu mali-t760 in galaxy note 4 have how many cores??? mp? 8 or 10 or 16?
[Galaxy Note 4 General] bala_gamer:
its 6
[Galaxy Note 4 General] rambo_relax:
Really?? so i think its very poor than adreno 420
[Galaxy Note 4 General] Lodix:
They are almost equal.

It has great single thread performance( better than Apple A8 ), but seems to be very power hungry too.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] michsu:
Antutu 5.2 score
[Galaxy Note 4 General] ShadowFlare:
Got my Exynos Note 4, N910C, colour shifts are there with the slightest tilt, I'll live with it. Just sharing my Antutu 5.2 score. I have not charged the battery, basically put battery on then started playing around with it, I started with 64% battery.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] juicytuna:
7 zip benchmark results as per this thread on beyond3d.

Note 4 Snapdragon: http://pastebin.com/6ypLVu92

Note 4 Exynos: http://pastebin.com/7jm84ZZ0

Single thread compression score = ~1500 for SD805 vs ~1900 for Exynos5433
[Galaxy Note 4 General] nijinski:
910c vs 910u for banking apps

Hi

I'm from uk and the LTE bands here are 3, 7 and 20. From my understanding, the 910f is the uk version with 805 processor. But I'm thinking of getting the exynos version. The only model covering these bands and to be 910c. I'm not too bothered about having cat 6 LTE at the moment as unlikely to get coverage near me any time soon.

I read somewhere that mobile banking might not work on a non-uk version as the apps need a stock uk ROM for security even if it is not rooted. I use my phone for banking a lot and this would be a factor for me.

Does any one know if this is true? Or does anyone have personal experience?

Thanks
[Galaxy Note 4 General] ShadowFlare:
I'm in London, I have SM-910C from UAE, and I have Barclays mobile banking installed + working just fine on my Note 4. My Dad has an Asian release of Galaxy S5 and I installed Barclays mobile banking too on his phone, work fine as well. The person who said that it wouldn't work prolly just trolling.

The mobile banking apps won't work if you Root the phone though, from any phone. There's a workaround to make it work though if you search around.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] nijinski:
Thanks ShadowFlare. That's just what I need to know. About to go order mine now! You're response is much appreciated.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] Fuzzi99:
I'm rooted and my banking app works fine

Sent from my fabulous Note 4 Exynos
[Galaxy Note 4 General] kahine:
hi,

My friend from morocco went to Samsung store (at morocco) and they are selling the SM-N910X. I can't find the spec for this version (exynos / snapdragon, LTE bands....).

It is very strange...

Maybe someone have information about this version ?
[Galaxy Note 4 General] ShadowFlare:
This thread has all model info (some are inaccurate) and the N910X (bottom of the list) is a store demo unit. Maybe he found out by checking the demo unit's build.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] Zanr Zij:
Live demo unit come without modem so it can not use like normal phone.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] cole2109:
My new N910C :D
[Galaxy Note 4 General] pedmond:
Enjoy, my friend :good:
[Galaxy Note 4 General] lawtq:
The best all round version. Where are you guys ordering the C from?
[Galaxy Note 4 General] cole2109:
In our country (Slovenia) we have only C model.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] Ausboy 2011:
I got a u from hong kong for Australia :)
[Galaxy Note 4 General] Kit:
Same, got U frim Hong Kong, 4g works well
[Galaxy Note 4 General] Master_Chief_87:
I wil get my N910C from Austria (GSMshop.at - they got it from Hungaria). I have already sold my N910F. Unfortunately we have only F model in Germany. ALL HAIL TO HUNGARIA! or Poland (they got also N910C) :D
[Galaxy Note 4 General] bouzoubaa:
It is a store demo unit. Here in Morocco we have the N910C.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] mehrdadt63:
accorting to your experience , is that true that battery life of n910c a bit drain faster than n910f ? :confused:
[Galaxy Note 4 General] iba21:
Well i love you! Ahaha

I was searcing a 910C in europe, and, i'm italian, austria is here :D

Do you know that site? Does it send phones in europe?