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[ONE General] mahst68:
:laugh:

Don't get me wrong. I like Apple Devices too. I own a Mac Air, AppleTV, etc. but all this hype and a $349 phone has better stats? Yeah, it has 64-bit but really nothing else. I hope OPO remains successful because this is the way mobile needs to go in the States. We have crappy providers, with crappy costs, with no "real" competition. The only way to combat this is with non-subsidized phones. This goes also for the crappy "Edge" type programs too which are essentially up-charged subsidized phones for people who like to upgrade on a regular basis. Now I have a phone that is $349, as good as 3 newer "FLAGSHIP" phones and I am not commit to any carrier... hell, $349 will be the 2-year subsidized cost of the 64GB iPhone 6+.... I am sure tooo that ETF's will go up... mark my words... since essentially you could get a iPhone 6+ 64GB for $349 on contract... cancel for $375... That's $725 which is definitely less than the $849 non-contract sticker price... hell I might even sell some if old Big Red & Big Blue don't close that loop hole.... I am sure though they thought of it and watch if ETF's won't end up being tiered like data...:(
[ONE General] chipstien:
Yeah I admit it is a good looking phone. But I think it is funny that apple is finally getting 1080 res when android has "been there, done that" and is going QHD. Bottom line though..... Apple will be getting a lot of people back that went to android for the larger screen.
[ONE General] nicholaschum:
Imo 64bit on a phone without at least 4gb of RAM is just plain dumb.
[ONE General] cashyftw:
I love android, and I love my one, but I'm going back to the iPhone, something about it, idk. I just like it.
[ONE General] jma9454:
Supposedly you need at least 3gb to notice anything at all.
[ONE General] ilea94:
you guys should read that ;)

http://www.androidcentral.com/why-64-bit-processors-really-matter-android

Qoute from the Author "And for heaven's sake — stop saying the big deal about 64-bit hardware is the ability to use more than 4GB of RAM."
[ONE General] nicholaschum:
I know what I'm talking about. I never said it was bad, I'm saying its just not feasible.

A 64bit architecture utilizes memory more efficiently and more extensively, hence running with more RAM would be more favourable with a 64bit architecture.

Being dumb doesn't mean that I'm saying IT must have at least 4gb RAM, I said in my opinion, I would rather have more RAM with 64bit than 1gb RAM Apple provides. Also I would rather have a computer with 4gb RAM using 64 bit and not 512mb RAM using 64bit.

There's a difference between myself and the link you sent me, I'm not saying you need 64bit to run 4gb RAM, I'm saying running 64bit on 1gb is just "what's the point?".
[ONE General] ilea94:
Hm well the link explains "what´s the point?".

But i agree with you about the rest :)
[ONE General] MetaII:
I changed my iPhone 5s to OPO few months ago, and after presentation iPhone 6 I'm still thinking that it was good idea! :laugh:
[ONE General] Lugke:
since at least iphone 4s apple just runs after the android devices in specs and features.

i cannot imagine a point why to buy apple at this time.
[ONE General] shpotik:
100% agreed! I mean if apple can sue Samsung for billions of dollars why can't Samsung/HTC/Motorola/LG strike back? I'm still waiting for that to happen! Apple is annoying and ignorantly expensive!
[ONE General] WoodburyMan:
As I was watching the Live Blog for Apple's event yesterday every time they said something I found myself saying "Yep...already have that..." In most cases they're features I've had for for over 2 years since I jumped ship from Apple. One of my friends was shocked that I've had NFC payments for the last 2 years with Google Wallet. "But but but you can't use it anywhere like iPay!" "....Yes... I can and have... NFC is NFC. If it has it both devices will work there...". He was trying to say iPay was more secure as his phone is locked and can be unlocked with his thumb. I go "MY FACE can unlock my phone...". When I saw the new Keyboard being demonstrated I literally help up SwiftKey keyboard I had installed and it was identical.

Last years iPhone5S I expected no real new features. They added the thumb print reader. But it was a refresh year. The iPhone6 and iPhone6 Plus are supposed to be leading products with new features... and everything "new" was a direct rip that Android has been doing for in most cases up to 2 years. It's sad to see Apple loose their innovation where they used to be the leaders.

The only thing I was impressed with was the Camera and display quality. I'll start with the display. Low PPI and resolution aside it is a improvement. Full RGB support means colors will pop a lot better. However unsure of what they say vs what it really looks like. So far, even though I now hate Samsung phones, my Galaxy S4 had the best color quality with its AMOLED screen. The Camera. So far I've had Galaxy S4, Nexus 5, and OnePlus for Android devices. My Nexus 5 was on par with my iPhone 4S, shot the same quality pictures with the same ease of use. The Galaxy S4 was horrible and a step far down from my iPhone 4S. The OnePlus camera is mixed. At times I get better quality shots than the Nexus 5 I had, but half the time they're worse. Under different shooting conditions everything changes. The optics and image stablzation and such they toot in the new iPhone6 makes me think they have made a even larger step forward with their cameras. Their Camera app also is AMAZING and very fined tuned to adjust the camera focus, aperture, and such automatically for you so you get great shots consistently, something I see lacking in many Android camera apps.. they simply don't adjust as fast to lighting conditions and such as iOS Camera app.

Anyway just my .02
[ONE General] acruxksa:
Although this article does touch on additional benefits of 64 bit architecture, It's primary focus seems to me to be more about the new features of the new ARMv8 architecture. I would argue that many of the new features of the ARMv8 are not 64bit specific and could also be included in a 32bit chip.

In fact, the article mentions only two benefits that are 64 bit specific.

So in summary,

Without 64 bit software, the only added benefit to 64bit is larger memory addressing. There are additional benefits that will come with a new ARMv8 spec but they could be implemented in a 32 bit chip as well.

---------- Post added at 10:00 AM ---------- Previous post was at 09:49 AM ----------

It's typical, they add new to the iPhone features and tout them as groundbreaking. My 3 1/2 yr old Motorola Atrix 4g had a fingerprint reader to unlock the phone............. Apple releases TouchID and the fingerprint scanner last year and suddenly what's old is new again. :rolleyes:

They do make sexy devices, just wish they weren't locked down, expensive and tied to a bloated piece of cr@p software called itunes.
[ONE General] rdar_93:
Well I personally don't have any Apple products, mainly because it was always an arm's length out of my price range, I'd have to say that I disagree with everyone here.

Well, mainly the ones bashing the company and it's choices.

Even though the biggest difference in terms of hardware is the processor being 64 bit rather than our 32 bit systems, I'd have to say Apple has a pretty solid build and standard. Granted that EVERY company has their flaws, I'd have to applaud Apple this time around.

Now, for the part where someone said "Oh 64bit processor without at least 4gb ram, that's dumb!"

Not quite. Apple's optimization is off the charts. Scary good actually. The 5s had 1gb of ram, and my old Amaze 4g had 1gb of ram. The 5s had a duo core 1.3ghz processor, my Amaze had a duo core 1.5ghz (O/C'd to 1.7ghz) processor.

Needless to say the iPhone was faster and more fluent in ALL of the tasks as compared to my phone which lagged and stuttered here and there.

It's all about optimization when it comes to Apple.

If I didn't have a OnePlus One and if I were a rich man, I'd definitely get myself an iPhone 6.
[ONE General] ebrandsberg:
You (and the author) are confusing "64 bit" with other things like "more registers". Yes, the ARM processors that deliver 64 bit generally include OTHER advances that are actually nice, but 64 bit itself is a separable aspect of the design. Without knowing many of the details of the A8 processor, we can't say if any of these advances are actually present (or used). As such, you shouldn't translate the comments about "64 bit" with any other improvements that went into the chip design Apple is using.

That said, I can't seem to find any reliable statement on memory in the iphone 6, although many sources say it is still limited to 1GB of RAM. If so, it seems that the biggest changes are the new A8 SoC, screen size and onboard storage (option). Even the 64 bit capable chip isn't stated as being run as 64 bit, and for compatibility with most apps, it likely is still running as a 32 bit chip.
[ONE General] mcbyte_it:
If the iPhone 6 plus 64gb costs less, I would use it, but at this price, triple the price of a OnePlus no.

I used an iPhone 5 for a couple of days as my primary device, love the ecosystem, everything just works, most apps I need are there and work fine, but I was unable to support the small screen size and the fixed single keyboard option. now with the bigger screens and with iOS 8 keyboard feature I can use one.

Currently on my Android device, I have at least 10 apps related to root/backup/kernel/etc, with iOS i don't need to bother about those stuff, iCloud backs up all apps, no need for kernels, cpu managers, root, and it just works.... but this comes at a cost: MUCH MORE $$$s
[ONE General] tee00max:
The talks about the new line of iPhones with meager specs are so pointless. iOS doesnt need to run all these 4GB of ram and whatever specs you want to throw at it to run smooth. iOS is optimzed way better than android and personally I see android never running as smooth and seemless are iOS. I know some will say if you have a GPE device, yeah I been there and done that and they are smooth but its something about iOS thats the top of the food chain when it comes to optimization. I am avid Android person and I love all tech and all that was missing for me was a bigger screen and they have that now so I may find myself pre-oreding one tonight.

Yeah android has had these features for years (NFC) but out of the majority of people (im not talking about us because we are tech heads and know about all features!) honestly know about NFC and know the benefits of it? Since Apple has came out now and introduced NFC payments, it will be mainstreamed now and it will be known by everyone now. Its sad the way that will work but it is what it is.

If you are a true tech head like myself then you have to know and respect both platforms and know that iOS is a premium OS where everything works and you know you have a reliable device, sad to say I cant say that about all android phones. They are getting better but even though they have killer specs when compared to the iPhone, Android is still behind...
[ONE General] HewettBR:
I agree with singer of what you said but android is open source and there is no "ecosystem"control. With iOS the system is designed for one device using only approved hardware. It's much easier to control the look and feel and performance of an OS when it's designed for one set of devices.

I can't stand iOS but that's because it's too simplified and childish in my opinion.
[ONE General] nicholaschum:
No offence but Apple's optimization really is off the charts. It's total ****. Have you tried running Mac OS X 64bit on a 1gb computer? Kernel tasks rack up the computer's processor and RAM so quickly I get stuck on 8mb RAM left. I removed Mac OS X on my computer and kept it with 100% Windows.

Now let's forget about computer software and talk mobile software. The fact that you're introducing 64 bit on a phone that you didn't change in terms of specs, especially the RAM, think about it, dismissing the 64 bit-ness of this, if you were to load higher quality thumbnails and images to render the operating system due to a larger screen....remaining on 1GB of RAM won't help, as well as the 64 bit "optimizations" built in.

The only optimizations that were good, can't compare to an Android, where multitasking actually means multitasking. Apple's optimization is to deep sleep an app when you try to multitask, and that's not optimizing back in the day, to optimize means you make a certain action more efficient. If I can multitask the real way, and be optimized, as well as on the 64bit architecture, only Android will take advantage of this, because it has both the hardware and soon the software to take care of this. Or rather launching an app in 64 bit mode instead of 32bit mode, with sufficient RAM, your performance would be much better.

"Needless to say the iPhone was faster and more fluent in ALL of the tasks as compared to my phone which lagged and stuttered here and there." it is because of the natural interactive governor on the iPhone where the CPU anticipates the touching of the screen and racks up CPU to predict it. Google tried to mimic this but haven't succeeded until 4.3-4.4. Anticipating touch input is a nice touch, but if the iPhone ran on good Android-esque specs, that would be much better - that's all I'm saying.
[ONE General] mahst68:
Love OPO but......

With the T-Mo annnouncement on whole wifi calling deal, i will probably part ways with my OPO on eBay and hope for another invite later... Not that I think the iPhone 6 Plus is a superior phone, in many ways it is not, but so I can take advantage of T-Mo's ETF reimbursement deal and get a iPhone 6 Plus on JUMP!, might as well do it. Then I can also get rid of my current AC Router... sell it on eBay and get T-Mo's Home Tower thing.... Wish T-Mo would open-source the code for WIFI calling or make an official good working android app, but oh well. I do think though that supporting OPO is a good propostion. :good:
[ONE General] playya:
Taking advantage of the new Wif calling does not mean you have to go back in time and get an IPHONE 6. There are other options and better phone choices but hey you do what you feel is right. Also with the new hangouts update you can make calls over wifi with your OPO if you feel like it
[ONE General] mahst68:
Thanks!!!

Definitely thats good to know! I think this way though I can bag some coin now and hopefully pick up another OPO later... Its all about the Fad.... and being a iSheep I guess... I also want to check out the Camera on the new iphone.... I think there is something there with a dicated chip devoted to it on the new A8... curious on the speed and performance... yeah its only 8M but if it can perform super quick, that's a win I guess. Want to check the design and see how Apple Pay goes, see if they can actually get it to deploy more wide than previous NFC attempts.

I am a strong believer in what OPO is trying to accomplish, hopefully this is the start of many great phones with killer stats every year... I'll keep buying what their selling even if it is to test it and sell it to someone else, it is just good to see an underdog doing better than the big boys..:good:

I guess I could get a Note but I just can't do it... Had the S5 for a little bit and like day one was rooting it and trying to get rid Bloatware... my mind and my patience can't take the Bloatware. Yeah say what you will about Itunes and some of the apple not so great services, but truely its nothing compared to the Mountains of Bloatware on Carrier Android phones, excluding Nexus of course. That's also why OPO is great. I just don't get the whole Bloatware thing... carriers so got damn greedy... crappy contract fees, they make money.... crappy phone financing schemes, they make money... tiered data, they make money... etc etc. than cause they can't stop, bloatware on their phones so they get paid for something they are already getting paid for by the customer... the mobile industry in the U.S. is just a joke and we are the punchlines... exit soapbox stage right:cool:
[ONE General] rickyx32:
We can talk a lot smack about Apple's iPhone but their hardware and software just seems a hell of a lot more refined considering how much performance they can pull out of the seemingly wimpy specs... Reminds me of the old AMD Athlon versus Intel Pentium 4.
[ONE General] playya:
Not sure if you had a chance to run Android L on any device but I truly feel Android has gotten it right with it. Apples software does flow properly with what they have but as I have seen on Iphones as with older Android phones it does have issues over time. It is what is though...
[ONE General] nazfalas:
Isn't WiFi calling now part of Hangouts (v2.3)? Free for US/Canada calls and low rates in other countries (0,01€/min for landline and 0,03 for mobile in Germany for example).

If that is something completely different I obviously don't know what T-Mobile's WiFi calling is. :D

Sent from my VanirOPO
[ONE General] Deltido:
T-Mobile wifi calling would make calls over wifi and still display your number to the person receiving the call. With google's (and pretty much anyone else's), they would create some other number that you'd be calling from so the people receiving the calls wouldn't know it's you, unless they have the other number saved as well.
[ONE General] IRPnet:
IMO, the new iPhone may (or not) be the next best thing from Apple.

I remember the first iPhone I got. It was amazing, and as far as camera picture quality goes, even at the poor 5 megapixels it had, the quality of the photos it took were better than my then 8 megapixel on my post-iPhone phone.

However, as most of you modders and tinkerers will know - the downside of iPhones is iTunes.

For music/movies/books/apps you still have to use iTunes, even if you've jailbroken your phone.

The reason I like my Android - and indeed my OPO - is because I just hook it up to my PC and transfer files. No messing, no bloatware iTunes.

If I want to change stuff behind the scenes, I can. That's a choice I have with my Android phones. Indeed if I choose to root it, install updated software,modems, unlock bootloaders, install multi-boot roms, that's also my choice.

If the above isn't true, then I ask you all, why are you on this forum?? We like to tinker and make things the way we like, make it go faster, make it look nicer - get the most from our hardware. With Apple/iTunes that isn't an option! You get it, you're stuck with it - and you have to install iTunes!!

So, thanks Apple. I'm sure your phone is really nice for those that choose Apple. Me, I'll be sticking with my OPO and Android.

Anyhoo, thats my two cents... :)
[ONE General] muzhik:
+1 -- case closed, apple doesnt need more ram than 1gb to run single app at a single time, and they call this optimization. ha... :confused:
[ONE General] InsaneNutter:
You don't need 10+ apps for that on Android either, Android just works too, however the majority of people on here obsessively think they need to be flashing new kernels, cpu managers and so on. I'm not saying that's a bad thing, i'm saying i dont and my Android devices have always worked great. That's where Android is great, if your a power user who likes to tinker, you can. However in theory if you buy a good phone with stock Android, it just works also.

I have root for Titanium Backup and Ad-free, other than that i have always happily used stock Android or Cyanogenmod which has all the tweaks you could ever want, theme supports and so on.

Apple got backup and restore right, its piratically idiot proof. That is one area Android could massively improve in. You cant block adverts on iPhones, or set default apps, such as the Maps app unless anything has changed. So each have pro's and cons.

The point im trying to make though is Android "just works" also, i got my parents Moto G's and they love them. Totally stock and the battery lasts 3-4 days on them with light use.
[Galaxy Note 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] vangocambo:
I'm wondering if there ever be a Galaxy Note 4 without the touchwiz. I really like Note 4 spec, but ii can't stand the touchwiz.
[Galaxy Note 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] gtalum:
You can use a different launcher without flashing a new rom.
[Galaxy Note 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Geeks Empire:
i

remember if you flash another rom u will lose special s-pen functionality

and Note without S-pen means ... idk what does it mean!

so if u don't like touch-wiz u can install launcher :good:
[Galaxy Note 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] mlock420:
Nova is perfect launcher for me
[Galaxy Note 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] vangocambo:
TouchWiz will always touchwiz.

I actually tried Nova and Google Launcher. It is still TouchWiz underneath. Actually i can careless of the S-Pen. I like the note line cause of the screen and the spec. LOL...Maybe i give it a try with the Note 4 since it will come with the new TouchWiz. Hopefully they optimize it.
[Galaxy Note 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] ewingr:
So, if we install Nova, TW is still there, and we do not lose any of the Note 4 TW functionality?
[Galaxy Note 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] RaptorMD:
Correct if you run a 3rd party launcher TW is still running in the background but not an issue in terms of the perceived lag crap people claim. Different launchers offer different benefits and you can use custom icons to make your phone pop. You will retain all of the Notes S-Pen functions and anything else TW offers under the skin.