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[Galaxy Note 4 General] gekkehenkie11:
Of course, but that's the whole reason you guys can claim higher benchmarks in games: cause some guy compared a cooled down exynos to a hot snapdragon in a video, running at throttled speed.

Really, if you want to see 3d performance, just look at the 3d benchmarks, EVERYBODY accepts those results, not only in phones, but also in computer hardware. The only guys who dont accept those results are you Exynos peeps.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] tmac31:
Well i wanted your gfxbench scores(you ignored) and some1 else shared with his snapdragon and its just same with exynos after 5.0 update..

and how do you know its throtled in test? And exynos is cooled down?( i didnt watch video)
[Galaxy Note 4 General] alex3run:
Everybody who know noting? Again you claim that Snapdragon has better fps in RR3 but haven't even waited for the Exynos test. Give us info on what track have you tested your device and we'll give you some results too.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] gekkehenkie11:
Well some facts then:

1) The snapdragon outperforms the Exynos in pretty much every single 3d gfx tests

2) These tests show actually 3d scenery, just like in games and they measure fps performance

3) These tests are designed in such a way to predict performance in games (if they wouldnt be able to do that, what would be the use of their benchmark in the first place)

But somehow magically, the Exynos would actually be better at REAL games. And then, the first REAL game I test, the snapdragon outperforms the Exynos (and I didnt tweak anything, let alone overlocking, I'm sure I can get to even 10% better results) How does that all add up in your opinion ?

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Somebody posted the exynos results, just look I think one or two pages before my post.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] tmac31:
Like i said they are getting same scores in gfxbench after 5.0 update.

And take a look at but you probably gonna say asphalt 8 not optimized i got you

http://www.gamebench.net/blog/samsung-galaxy-note-4-beats-every-other-phone-asphalt-8

And you made a test and saw higher fps (not even cared median score) in anyway without any comparison you decided its better?
[Galaxy Note 4 General] gekkehenkie11:
Yup. Asphalt is indeed optimized for the Exynos, you will always have a few games that are like that (happens in the nvidia/amd debate too)

Testing in game FPS just is quite meaningless. I wasnt the guy who brought it up though, it was you Exynos people, cause you had to come up with SOMETHING after getting beaten in pretty much every single gfx benchmark
[Galaxy Note 4 General] tmac31:
Why did you ignore 1st sentence of mine?
[Galaxy Note 4 General] gekkehenkie11:
Eh ? You think I said that Snapdragon outperforms in EVERY SINGLE gfx benchmark ? I said in almost all of them. Do you want me to put up some links ?

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[Galaxy Note 4 General] gekkehenkie11:
I'm sure 99% of the people feel otherwise. I keep pushing on the admin button with your nonstop attacks, so let's see what they think.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] alex3run:
I'm talking about GAMING text, not GFXBench, and I haven't seen it yet in this topic.

That's why you should stop saying nonsense or nobody will trust you.

Benchmarks are used for promoting one or another device or SoC, they are far from objective.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] alex3run:
Okay, show me then Exynos 5433 test in this topic. If it exist off course ;)

And please stop behaving like a child - nobody offended you. And the only thing you could achieve reporting someones' posts here is to make this thread close. You want this?
[Galaxy Note 4 General] gekkehenkie11:
Just search this thread for "RR3" and you will find it for sure.

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@alex3run : took me 2 seconds:

Exynos: http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=59060845&postcount=2318

Snapdragon: http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=59062679&postcount=2325
[Galaxy Note 4 General] -Sweeper_:
Lets rephrase that properly. It barely outperformed a particular Exynos device running Touchwiz in one metric - highest FPS (if both models ran the test again highest FPS results would most likely be different) while using an AOSP (not stock Touchwiz) and you're trying to mislead people by suggesting this a proper hardware comparison (not 100% apples and oranges).

If a game performs better on Exynos then its all due to optimization cause some of the holy sacred graphics benchmarks run 5-10% faster @ Adreno 420 after a single run? Yeah, right. I'm sure game developers spend lots of time optimizing for specific SoCs inside Samsung devices. :good:
[Galaxy Note 4 General] gekkehenkie11:
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If you want to rephrase me properly, then do that, rephrase me properly: The ONLY results that matters are gfx benchmarks results. In game results are useless, cause of the million variables: look to the left inside a game and you might see 'easier' scenery for the gpu to draw and thus higher frame rates. Like, I didnt pay any attention to it but I'm sure if I'd do, I could get much higher scores on RR3 by making sure you're behind everybody in the race, so the gpu doesnt have to draw cars. So in short, in game benchmarks are useless.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] alex3run:
No screenshot for Exynos version, so... And no average framerate for your Snapdragon version. Who knows - maybe your Note 4 stayed around 50 fps most of time or vice versa on 30 - 35...
[Galaxy Note 4 General] gekkehenkie11:
I only posted a screenshot cause somebody asked me to. And yes, who knows this, who knows that. That's exactly why in game benchmarks are useless anyway. Leave it up to the pro reviewers with official benchmarks.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] alex3run:
Please do a measurement once again with average fps, on a concrete track (i'm asking you about it already for three times but you ignore my question), tomorrow I'll test my gadget too.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] gekkehenkie11:
This is getting a bit tiresome. I'm not sure if I dont explain myself correctly or if you don't read my replies. My WHOLE point is and always has been that in game results dont matter due to the HUGE number of variables. I'm sure I could get you a result with at least 10% more fps. But what will you say if I do ? Really, will you then accept the Snapdragon as the better one ? Or will you come up with some reason why the result is invalid ? If you answer that question with the fact that you 'll then say the snapdragon is indeed the better chip, then I'll do it. But no excuses. Deal ? And if not, why would I bother doing it anyway ?
[Galaxy Note 4 General] pappschlumpf:
That's the big rr3 comparison he's talking about. I think original post is a page back. Why the hell average frames is not relevant? Is it lower on SD :D

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?p=59062100
[Galaxy Note 4 General] tmac31:
Lol sorry for old comments i thought you had better stuff to compare. You basically getting a problem reporting post and compared with your tweaked rom , you probably played in fridge cuz you wanna avoid thermal throttling( i got you you just wanna test real performance ofc;)) and you say snapdragon performs better.

You will always be like this;

"Omg im getting 54k on antutu exynos just get 52k its how cm rules." Then you learn exynos is getting 55k and say"have fun with your 3.5% faster exynos you still cant get aosp."

"Snapdragon gpu is best it owns all tests" then exynos getting same or very very similar scores and you just ignore everything again and just cherry pick some test and say "yes its still fast and i didnt say all tests."

And about games saying asphalt is optimized specialy for exynos And taking real racing scores which limits gpu to 266 mhz on exynos(it can go 600 mhz and even 700 mhz in some scenarios) is just fail sorry. And i doubt in real racing snapdragon can still pass exynos cuz i tested it couldnt do that,

But your point about asphalt actually supports us all we said games just run better on mali cuz it has driver and compatibilty advantages over adr o it always been like this its what people trying to say no1 is saying adreno is bad it just has problems with games and it just not a single game.

But whatever you gonna ignore everything and cherry pick whatever you want and say whatever you want anyway,if you fail about it you will go back to"but you dont have aosp" arguement you cant loose man i got you.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] alex3run:
Deal ;) But then I wanna know all variables to make this test as identical as I can do.

And if your device will loose then will you confirm that Exynos has better GPU?)
[Galaxy Note 4 General] gekkehenkie11:
Can you quote me on that please ? Thanks.

Can you explain a driver advantage ? I dont understand what you mean. Different chips have different API's. If a game studio doesnt support a fast API, then it will not run as fast. That's why in some games the Exynos will be faster. It's the same with AMD/Nvida. It's simply impossible to find hardware that ALWAYS runs faster on one chip. But fact remains that Snapdragon outperforms Exynos on pretty much every single gfx benchmark. I asked you if I needed to post some links, you still want me to do that ?
[Galaxy Note 4 General] gekkehenkie11:
First of all, I'm not going to flash back Touchwiz. The whole reason I bought a Snapdragon is that i CAN run custom ROM's. So why should I pretend I can't ? It's the biggest advantage of the Snapdragon and you want me to ignore it ? Then, I'm just running stock CM12, at room temperature. No overlocking, just standard clockspeeds. We could select a specific track and then both agree to get behind the rest of the cars to get maximum fps.

But then again, just a post above someone accused me of running my test in the fridge. I'm sure people will tell the same, just like they're doing now. So there's not much use I'm afraid.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] alex3run:
Real Racing 3 is just badly optimized and doesn't have very hard graphics. Cool Tool says that GPU isn't fully loaded even while GPU is running minimal frequency.

But nevertheless I'll test it as I promised.

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I'm not asking you to flash back TouchWiz. I meant gaming conditions.

Because of very little heating (on my Note, don't know about yours) you can make test even on North pole, I won't blame you for that.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] gekkehenkie11:
You mean a level and car ? Just pick one, take a beginner level though, which is unlocked, cause I dont play games so I havent unlocked anything. In fact, if you want to do this, just let me know what factors you chose and I will do the same. Gotta run though, will be back in 2 hours.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] alex3run:
That would be an ideal scenario.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] gekkehenkie11:
I'm thinking about it and actually it's a horrible idea to even do such test. My whole point has been: game tests are highly inaccurate. To do this test somewhat accurate we'd need to:

1) Test at least 10 recent games, cause 1 game might be optimized for this or that driver, so 1 game would be highly statistical insignificant

2) Post at least 10 test round results per game, cause 1 test round again is highly statistical insignifcant, influenced by tons of circumstances in that particular test round in the game.

3) The way of playing highly influences the results, so we'd probably need to sit next to each other, exchanges phones, both doing 5 test exynos and 5 tests on the snapdragon.

And then, what are people going to say ? "Yeah it was run on CM12 so it's not relevant" or "Yeah he must have ran the test in a fridge, so it's not relevant" All those stuff that has been brought up already will be brought up again so what's the use anyway ? There is no use. The point is: in game tests are highly subjective. Leave tests up to the pro reviewers with professionally designed benchmarks..

I'll be back in a bit ...
[Galaxy Note 4 General] alex3run:
I can do the test two or three times. If the difference will be about couple frames per second then we can talk about statistical insignificance.

I think muck more useful will be to choose more games than run one 10 times.

Also according to my personal experience CyanogenMod doesn't have an advantage in 3D gaming performance.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] TANKRED_ENDURES:
Just capture video playing the very first level after buying first car with 3d person camera using gamebench with onscreen fps meter and show gamebench details in the end of this vid
[Galaxy Note 4 General] gekkehenkie11:
I don't think cyanogenmod influences 3d performance at all. Yet, people bring it up here as a reason why my results were better. They will do the same if I win the new test. So what's the use anyway ? And I must even agree to some of their points. In fact, I highly share their opinion that in game tests are useless cause of the huge number of factors influencing the result. To explain even better: if you look at my results, the difference between the lowest and highest framerate is about a factor 2x (27 fps versus 55 fps). Why is that ? It's because the fps highly is dependent on the specific scenery the gpu has to render. One curve could be really easy to render, but the other really difficult because it has to draw 5 cars. So then, this test would thus be about who is the smartest at taking the test in such a way that the GPU can render the highest FPS (since that could make a factor 100% difference) MUCH more than it would be about real graphical power (cause the gpu's are pretty similar, the snapdragon beats the exynos in pretty much every gfx benchmark but not by a huge amount, let alone 100%)
[Galaxy Note 4 General] Lodix:
Well, you are changing the thermall parameters that control the SOC. The throttling of the Snapdragon is well known.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] tmac31:
the point you just got wrong is all people trying to say is same with you too. no1 denying adreno 420 is powerful gpu like older adrenos too. no1 is saying mali t760 is better than adreno 420. they are neck to neck in benchmarks(scores are very similar) and adreno has advantage on alu so its more powerful.

but like your older post game developers should use that advantage but i dont know its been years but generaly they dont thats why im saying there is driver problems or something i cant knowthat. but its been like this for long time.

asphalt 8 is not optimized for exynos like you said its just using mali s advantage like other games. mali t760 dont have to pass adreno 420 like in asphalt 8 with big margin(40 fps for adreno 60 fps for mali) but generaly it does pass it with 5 fps or 10 fps or whatever or they are just tied.

but if we just look at benchmarks adreno should win always in games too but it dont.

here is another article from last year.exynos note 3 passed snapdragon version generaly .

http://www.engadget.com/2014/02/20/which-android-phones-win-at-gaming/

and here is gfx benchmarks of note 3 versions

http://gfxbench.com/device.jsp?benc...i-T628,+SM-N900,+SM-N9000Q)&testgroup=overall

http://gfxbench.com/device.jsp?D=Sa...,+SM-N900,+SM-N900x,+SCL22)&testgroup=overall
[Galaxy Note 4 General] alex3run:
Don't you think that you're a bit too self assured?) We haven't done the tests so please don't draw the conclusions too early. If the test would be identical then personnaly I wouldn't have any questions.

Also Mali T760 outperformes Adreno in 3DMark (only with a small-small margin) and BasemarkX. So Adreno wins not in every graphics test.

And what about any other games to test? Maybe Dead Trigger 2? Need For Speed Most Wanted? What do you think about it? That will be a huge test ;)
[Galaxy Note 4 General] gekkehenkie11:
Well I said "IF I win the test", which I meant like that: IF. Again, when fps for the same phone in the same game vary between 27 fps and 55 fps (depending on the scenery the gpu has to draw) then doing a 'competition' like this boils just down to one thing: trying to play in such a way that you keep the whole test as close to that 55 fps as possible (or even higher if you optimize some things). That's why such a test would be quite useless in the first place.

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I've never changed thermal parameters. I think some people were doing that on the TMO kernel, I'm not even sure if it got merged into our kernel too, would have to look into that. But I certainly didnt do that.

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That's interesting, I'm reading these results the other way: http://cdn.wccftech.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/11/3D-Mark-1.3.jpg

(taken from: http://wccftech.com/galaxy-note-4-snapdragon-vs-exynos/ )

It says 'higher is better' ;) Or read their conclusion:
[Galaxy Note 4 General] SLMI:
Man, lets get this from scratch in respect

You're saying you don't use 3d so much, you love aosp roms that's ok no problem, now bro, if your phone is enough for you and if the soc is meeting your expectations, then why do you still making this meaningless rat race, why are you still try to compete with others, just don't care about other option, if one in your hand is well enough for you, just don't, and please don't get it wrong I'm not asking or insulting you just givin' an advice
[Galaxy Note 4 General] gekkehenkie11:
You're kinda right. But the same goes for *everybody* here: everybody already purchased their phone. We could just be happy and enjoy it. Yet we're here, competing with each other :)
[Galaxy Note 4 General] tmac31:
edit:whatever my ipad fails to upload...
[Galaxy Note 4 General] torquadon:
Please do not take offence guys, but you must be really bored... This reminds me Intel vs AMD wars, equally useless :p
[Galaxy Note 4 General] midreestaj:
Mali will run majority of the games 'bit better' than the more powerful Adreno. If that bit better can equal Adreno's bit better benchmarks in real life usage... :) They are roughly equal with give and take... Your choice which ever way you go :)
[Galaxy Note 4 General] gekkehenkie11:
Hehe. It's easy to keep saying that cause there's simply no way to do a fair test, so anybody could make such a claim. I could easily post results in games, showing Mali as the winner and i could easily show results with Adreno as the winner. It just depends on how you play the game.

But the fact remains that Adreno is the winner in almost every gfx benchmark and professional review, where reviewers almost always choose the Adreno as the chipset of choice for gamers. Not sure why you guys have such a hard time accepting that.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] Perseus:
Think, this discussion has gone on long enough. All the points to be discussed, are done. Let's end this now.

Thread Closed.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] DelBoy:
What countries are that?

I am in Europe and 4G (LTE) is working normally on my Exynos version.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] EP2008:
I'm in Canada, and the Note 4 that Expansys.ca sells (Exynos version) won't work with Canadian LTE bands. I'm assuming the model you have was meant for Europe?
[Galaxy Note 4 General] DelBoy:
Don't know that. It is N910C version.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] EP2008:
Yeah, your's run on the following frequencies:

Other names :SM-N910S, SM-N910C

GSM frequencies :850 900 1800 1900

Standard UMTS :850 900 1900 2100

Canada has odd frequencies 700, 1700, 2600, etc... different :(
[Galaxy Note 4 General] Lodix:
Yes, it does.

Krait cores are a lower power/performance version of Cortex A15.

And the Snapdragon 805 doesn't have any integrated modem.

The developers aren't from Qualcomm, they just work with the model they get.

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The korean version supports LTE on 2600/700.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] ShadowFlare:
Oh ok, I only picked up the Snapdragon 805 specs from Here, that's where I got the integrated modem from and perhaps why the SD805 version get Cat6.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] gabrielgon:
Could you make some tests and post them here? Maybe 3D Mark and other benchmarks.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] ShadowFlare:
Already a THREAD about benchmarks. There's a video to show it a few ones down.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] Toss3:
The 5433 performs worse in GPU benchmarks like 3D Mark and GFX Bench, while it beats the s805 by quite a significant margin in the CPU department. Not sure you'll be able to tell the difference when it comes to real world usage though.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] tmac31:
Exynos version get 16k 3d score on antutu its par with iphone 6 gpu dunno but maybe gfx and 3dmark cant calculate it right or it doesnt have great drivers to work with. And its higher than my ipad air it has near 2k screen too and every game works great as far as they optimize games it shouldnt lag on any game
[Galaxy Note 4 General] SaschaHa:
Mali T760 has a small pixel fill rate compared to other GPUs like Adreno 420 or anything else. So at higher resolutions (1080p+) it's not as fast as others. The Mali Midgard architecture is a little old (around 2 years), maybe they have not expected such high resolutions in 2014 smartphones. I think, next generation will do it better.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] alexcarterkarsus:
I was already almost determined to go for exynos this time after the revelation of it being 64bit, and all the cpu benchmarks point to it being a monster, cpu wise, but now that after seeing more and more gpu tests showing its somehow weaker gpu, I am swinging more back to snapdragon :(
[Galaxy Note 4 General] SaschaHa:
That's the point for me to skip the Note 4 and to wait for the Note 5. Samsung just get ready for it's 14 nm production and I think they will integrate better GPUs in next version. Now it's to hope that Samsung uses the 14 nm production for it's own products and not only for Apple and others (because these "partners" will pay a lot for this). But the Snapdragon 810 seems to be a great SoC too :)
[Galaxy Note 4 General] BarryH_GEG:
You wont. From a Qualcomm presentation discussing app CPU utilization...
[Galaxy Note 4 General] SAVVAS.:
New most detailed review yet of Exynos variant , Here is the translated link.

This time , the Mali gpu scores are top, Adreno 420 level. Interstingly in 3D Mark there is a bug or whatever, which causes lower scores, however after setting off "show demo" the scores are increased significantly.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] tmac31:
Onscreen offscreen difference maybe?
[Galaxy Note 4 General] SAVVAS.:
I don't think so. Check here page 8.

He used both of the options on Note 3 with no difference yet the Note 4 has huge difference:rolleyes:
[Galaxy Note 4 General] tmac31:
Offscreen tests on 1080p probably so both onscreen and offscreen same for note 3 but onscreen mode is 2k for note 4 and it lowers it (same for gfx bench too offscreen mode is working on 1080p)
[Galaxy Note 4 General] SAVVAS.:
I didn't think it that way:good: Still not sure, what about other QHD phones? Do they have this effect too?
[Galaxy Note 4 General] CLARiiON:
So Exynos with Mali 760 is getting almost similar scores as Adreno 420, even after running with half memory bandwidth. Impressive!
[Galaxy Note 4 General] gabrielgon:
We need to be careful because these are good results but some other people are getting adreno 330 like performance. That's what worries me.

I had a Tegra 3 device which most apps would only use one core, and when needed, the others would turn on. That affected gaming as it lagged when it needed to turn on the other cores. This was fixed with an app that forced every core to be on all the time. Is this possible with Snapdragon/Exynos?
[Galaxy Note 4 General] Lodix:
It would drink your battery. But I think that all the Cortex A7 cores are always on in the Exynos version.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] AndreiLux:
It's because of hotplugging which sucks ****.

I explained this once here : http://www.anandtech.com/show/8425/huawei-honor-6-review/4
[Galaxy Note 4 General] Lodix:
True, as always thanks for the info.

There are some technical aspects that I don't undesrtand... xD
[Galaxy Note 4 General] tmac31:
Well adreno 330 like scores with 2k screen thats the difference. And its more than enough.