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[Moto 360] knoxploration:
Before you do, I'd test to confirm the heart rate sensor even works if it's not in direct contact with your wrist. I'd put money on it not working with the thickness of a leather strap between watch and wrist, even with a hole cut in the strap for it to see through.
[Moto 360] 640k:
i was thinking more along the lines of and entire section cut out for the back of the watch to fit, not just a tiny hole.
[Moto 360] knoxploration:
Ah, gotcha, I probably don't understand where that strap attaches. Figured the strap pins were in the upper layer, which would hold the watch above the lower layer of leather strap.
[Moto 360] roccom33:
Holy crap what made me thing filing down this solid steel band was going to be easy. I'm not going to have time to do this today lol. I made it about halfway on one end. I'll update tomorrow if I finish it off.

I'm determined. I really like this band.
[Moto 360] etc6849:
Has anyone cut part of the circle out on the back to fit 4-5 mm thick bands? Also, what's up with that annoying notch (I think it needs to go to)? I have to say, what a horribly designed watch back!

It appears bands no thicker than 3.4-3.5 mm will fit, and this rules out most leather bands.
[Moto 360] akellar:
If you don't value your warranty, go for it
[Moto 360] kpjimmy:
I have one leather band from a watch band maker I use for most of my other watches. I took the measurements and he said the leather is in the 3mm range where the spring bar is. I'll post pics of it next week when I get it.
[Moto 360] etc6849:
Thanks. I just measured my factory stone grey leather band and it's 3.28 mm thick with the spring bar installed. I'm seriously thinking of ordering 7 watch bands from amazon and returning 6 of them to see which fits the best.

EDIT: I ordered this Hirsch Terra gold brown strap: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B008ATG3KY/

The strap looks a lot nicer if you look around on watch forums or use google images. One of the amazon reviews for the 22mm brown Terra said it 3.58 mm thick. I hope they're right, if not Amazon gives free returns for clothing/jewelry so it doesn't matter.

By the way, I cut out the stupid plastic requiring me to notch my band, but left the full circle on the back. No way am I cutting a notch on a $76 watch band that I may use on other watches. The plastic bump out is very easy to cut with an Exacto knife with a chisel point.
[Moto 360] APeaceofStrange:
Looking forward to running with this silicon band now. Running with leather was awful.
[Moto 360] sushi829:
Where did you buy this band at?
[Moto 360] opasha:
I have it. It's awesome. Here you go: http://www.amazon.com/Richard-Tracy-Brand-shank010-SHANK/dp/B00KIWVCAC/ref=cm_cr_pr_pb_t
[Moto 360] sushi829:
Cool thanks for link! Does it for perfectly with the 360 ?
[Moto 360] kpjimmy:
Ah.... The shank.... It's made for the pebble steel so it is near perfect IMO for a silicone band. It's very comfy and can fit the smallest of wrists and can accommodate a fairly big wrist.
[Moto 360] opasha:
Yep, exactly as kpjimmy said, it fits perfect.
[Moto 360] woedee:
I ordered the white silicone band direct from Richard Tracy a couple days ago http://www.richardtracybrand.com/products/shank-for-pebble-steel so it is a sigh of relief to know that it fits, as I am currently waiting for it & my stone leather M360 to arrive. By the way, if anyone is interested in selling their GREY leather watchband, please inbox me!
[Moto 360] Cr4z33:
Does anybody know if there's any expensive high quality good looking steel bracelet (i.e Omega, Longines, etc.) that fits FOR SURE on the 360?

I know a famous Taiwanese online replica shop that sells also those bracelets separately. :D

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[Moto 360] furiousgtz:
I'm ordering this...anyone bought this band?

http://www.ebay.com/itm/22mm-Black-...1984343?pt=US_Watch_Bands&hash=item4d24544557
[Moto 360] akellar:
You'll have to cut the notch out.
[Moto 360] jt3:
Before you cut those annoying tabs out of your 360, (the ones that require a notched band) you might want to hear about my experience getting a band at a jeweler.

I found a really nice black stainless band at a jeweler, but it had a solid pin tube. The jeweler said that he could cut a notch out of it so that it would fit on my 360. He did so, using my leather band as a template, and I have to say he did a fantastic job. It literally looked like it came that way when he was done.

However, here's where the problems started. On many metal bands, that first link doesn't bend very well, relying on the pin tube to rotate. However, the pin tube is WAY inside the 360. The watch body is so wide that on almost everyone, the band will want to exit the watch at a pretty sharp angle, but if that first link doesn't bend, then it can't, and will flare out from your wrist. Aside from looking goofy, it also turns that link into a perfect lever, and will probably break the thin plastic back on the 360, or at the very least, work to pry the back from the watch body, eventually damaging the watch. Luckily, the tabs prevent that on a properly notched band, by not allowing the pin tube to rotate fully. It won't prevent damage forever, since eventually, the lever action would overcome a couple thin plastic tabs, but it saved my 360 while the jeweler was trying to bend the links to fit my wrist. (I'm very glad he did such a good job on that notch, and didn't just cut the entire center portion out.)

Ultimately, that band wouldn't work, so I'm back to the leather band for now (and bravo to the jeweler for not accepting payment, although I felt bad that he put in all that work for nothing), but the experience made me understand why Moto put those tabs there, and why their metal band has that funky looking connection point. You might consider this before you file those tabs down, trying to get some other band to fit.
[Moto 360] bsg273:
Really insightful post. Definitely hit the "Thanks" button for this one. Had no idea the tabs served that purpose of protecting the plastic back from being damaged by a metal band.

Couple follow up questions for ya. When you say that the "first link doesn't bend very well" on many bands, do you mean that many bands are so solid that the jeweler cannot physically bend the first link with pliers? Are there any bands like on Amazon you could look at and tell if the first link "bends well" or not? What criteria do you think is best to look for? Also, why didn't the band end up working in the end? It seems like your jeweler took all the right steps to make it fit. Finally, was this a jeweler at a chain jewelry store or just a local shop? Like if they're trained to be able to do this like a Jared's for instance it would be handy to know they have the equipment, skills, and know-how to customize such a band.
[Moto 360] akellar:
None of the chain jewelers at my local mall sold or worked on watch bands, Jared included. YMMV of course but that's the results I had.
[Moto 360] bsg273:
But why did the band your jeweler customized still not work in the end?
[Moto 360] akellar:
That wasn't me :)
[Moto 360] jt3:
It's kind of hard to explain what I mean by "it doesn't bend very well," but I'll try. If you think about how watch links work, you've typically got a central link, followed by two outer links, followed by a central link, etc. On a lot of watch bands, that 1st pair of central/outer links are fused together (and the central link shortened), to make one solid link for the pin tube attachment. On most watches, where the diameter is thinner than the average wrist, this isn't a problem. On those that have a larger diameter, the pins usually stick way out of the watch body to compensate. On the Moto 360, however, you have a large diameter with recessed pins, which is rather unusual, and most bands are simply not designed to accommodate that. Make sense?

As to how to tell... well, on the moto 360, any band with really wide links will probably have this problem, unless the link structure drastically changes near the pin tube (which is not uncommon). This particular band had wide links, and it was fairly thick, so it would have been really hard to bend that first fused link into the 45-degree (about) angle it needed to be on my wrist.

This was a "watch repair" shop, as well as a jewelry store and repair shop, so they were a cut above your standard mall offerings.
[Moto 360] bsg273:
lol Oops ... wasn't paying attention

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That was a damn good explanation to something very difficult to explain. Many thanks. I know what to watch out for now (no pun intended). So do you think something like the band at the following Amazon link would be a good candidate since it has a finer multiplicity of links?

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B005K2SIKC/ref=s9_simh_gw_p241_d0_i3?pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_s=center-2&pf_rd_r=01182GY3DWGAJG9GTEA3&pf_rd_t=101&pf_rd_p=1688200382&pf_rd_i=507846

I recall another guy on here getting this band to fit with a scrape-job on the watch-tabs, but I wonder if this would be a good candidate for a skilled jeweler like the one you dealt with for modifying the band instead. Btw, what tool/method did your jeweler use to etch away the notch in the band?
[Moto 360] jt3:
I'll assume you mean a 22mm band that looks like that one, since that exact band would slide side-to-side. It looks like it'd be fine, as long as the links adjacent to the pin tube aren't fused to the links actually on the pin tube. It looks like they're separate, but of course, they'd be designed to look that way if they were actually fused. That's why I'm kind of afraid now to order a band online. Amazon has pretty good return policies though, so there's that.

I'm not sure what the guy used. I assume some kind of saw or grinder, but man, that guy was skilled! I'm not kidding when I say you couldn't tell that it didn't come that way. Had I not seen it before, I would never have even considered that it had been modified. However, the good news is that this would be hidden, so even without that level of skill, you'd probably never see it once installed.
[Moto 360] RMXO:
http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00L8C818C/ref=pe_385040_121528360_TE_dp_1

thats what i ordered yesterday
[Moto 360] Dusty Rhodes:
Hey I have some bad news regarding the watchband... It's kind of proprietary.

I picked up the watch an hour ago and took the band off. You

DON'T

remove the plastic plate, it's permanent. I cracked mine finding out the hard way.

The pin is BURIED within the body and you kind of have to dig to trigger the release. No big deal. Here's what I found...

The band has a cut in it and the body of the watch has a notch. The notch on the body of the watch prevents a band that goes straight across from fitting. So if you have a standard straight end metal band it's a "no go" unless you get out the dremel and start cuttin'. If you have a universal leather band you have to cut your own notch in the band which is much simpler. Also my 22mm metal band wouldn't even fit in the slot. I think a 21mm band is what you need. 22mm is a hair too thick.

I hate leather bands, no offense to those who do. This kind of kills it for me. The aftermarket won't have anything for a WHILE if they even bother.
[Moto 360] opasha:
Thanks for this info, but it seems like this one will fit just fine considering the Pebble Steel had the same exact weird slot: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0..._m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_r=0E869BB2EPW3BZZQ7AJ3

I also have Jacques Lemans Liverpool Chronograph watch. The band looks like this and has that perfect curve with the similar open end like the Pebble Steel metal band:
[Moto 360] Ichibahn SLC:
I cracked mine a while before yours, posted. I guess I should've posted in larger writing, would've saved you some headache.
[Moto 360] Dusty Rhodes:
There is very little clearance between the body of the watch and the gap around the pin. It is a SNUG fit. I'm not familiar with how the Pebble is constructed. Looks like the more expensive heavily constructed bands won't fit.
[Moto 360] brotbuexe:
Can you make some pictures?
[Moto 360] Ichibahn SLC:
I have a pic on my ebay listing for it. Just look for the only broken one located in salt lake city, ut.
[Moto 360] spinedoc:
Hmm, so it looks like we might have some issues. Seems like the official metal band has thinner, narrower arms that slide in. A 22mm band would have to slide in, but would probably be too thick. From pics looks like the pebble band would be too thick as well.

I'll play around with it tomorrow, my BB has pebble bands in stock. I'm also pretty good with a dremel, hehe.

Also on closer inspection my spare Rolex band looks like it has a cover or something over the attachment point, but I can't tell because it's very tight and almost solid. No idea how it comes off, it probably requires a watch shop.

The only thing that really bums me out against Motorola is this "fall" timeline for the metal bands, couldn't they just have given us a freakin date?!?
[Moto 360] spinedoc:
I think the issue isn't so much the shape but how deep the band inserts inside the 360. You would have to stick part of the watchband itself into the slot and that may be too thick. The official metal bands have these thin long arms which insert into the slot which I'm not seeing with any of these other bands.
[Moto 360] Alix8821:
This is all quite upsetting news. I was SO excited to throw this bad ass Shark Mesh band on my 360 wen it came tomorrow... (http://m.ebay.com/itm?itemId=201146637499)

Was everyone with issues using a watch kit? I'm surprised they made this so difficult... Ugh
[Moto 360] Dusty Rhodes:
I'm actually rolling the dice with you. I got the (strapcode of course) black PVC version from amazon. I needed the extra length for my wrist and I like my watches to hang a little lose.

It looks like where the retaining pin goes is only as thick as the little tiny links.
[Moto 360] bludevilx:
Pebble Steel http://amzn.com/B00L8C81BY watch band confirmed working with our watch. Also it's best to use the right tools when dealing with these watch bands. Amazon sells a decent kit for the cheap ... has everything you need to change bands and to resize metal bands. http://amzn.com/B000T9VK56

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[Moto 360] Mr Ian B:
Looks incredible. Did you get the band locally or online(link). Can you do a write up of step by step on how you did it or a video please.

Tia,

Ian B
[Moto 360] bludevilx:
Thanks. Bestbuy carries the pebble steel watch bands. Just went and grabbed one from them. Changing the band is very easy once you have the right tool for it. The tool looks like this and makes it a breeze. You just push the leather band back a little to get to the pin. Both sides of the pin have a tensioner on the end so you can go from either side. Just push the tensioner in a little and the pin will slide out. Careful not to put the band on upside down like I did and have to do it all over again. Looks like I'll have to take one link off the band since It Has a tiny bit more slack than I'd like it to.

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[Moto 360] Tung_meister:
Could you post a picture with it on your wrist please?
[Moto 360] bludevilx:
Sure. Just removed a link so it fits much better now too. For just $20 this will definitely tide me over till the official metal bands are released.:D:D

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[Moto 360] spinedoc:
Excellent! My BB has the pebble straps in stock so I will grab a silver one tomorrow. Can you post some better lit pics of the finished product, especially where the band meets the watch, and also of it on your wrist. Thanks for going to the trouble.
[Moto 360] spinedoc:
Never mind my previous post, those pics are perfect. The band looks GREAT, I'm very happy it's only $20 and we don't have to wait for Motorolas ambiguous "fall" release of the metal band.
[Moto 360] hurricanefloyd41:
I ordered that Pebble band yesterday and it should get to me when my M360 does. Also ordered Kevlar straps hopefully they fit.
[Moto 360] Tung_meister:
I love the style of the band but don't I'd prefer a band that stays the same width all the way round.
[Moto 360] bsg273:
Dang that's awesome. If you live in a major metropolitan region you might should give that guy and the repair shop a plug on here, so those in that area know whom/where to go to.
[Moto 360] jt3:
I edited the first line of my last post, and from your quote, it looks like I wasn't fast enough. I just want to make sure you noticed that the band you referenced was a 20mm band, not 22mm.

At any rate, I live in Wichita, KS, so I doubt I'd help many people, but the place is called Watch Works (although the sign on the door just says "Jewelry Store," which threw me for a second). After this, he's definitely my go-to watch guy.
[Moto 360] bsg273:
Oops, accidentally clicked on the 20mm one in my Amazon history instead of the 22mm. Yeah Strapcode seems to sell the same one in 22mm as well. I've seen some posts where people are having to use a 20mm band instead because supposedly the Moto 360 is possibly about 21mm. Was this your experience or did the 22mm band you had picked out fit width wise at least?
[Moto 360] Rinsewind:
Fossil 22 m strap Orange stitching

I just wanted to share some pics after replacing the original strap. This thread has helped me out a lot to do the right choices before starting :) So thank you all for sharing
[Moto 360] kpjimmy:
I have the SE 2 version of that from strap Co. I had to scrape out the notches in the watch and also swapped the ends. Check out the accessories section where dusty Rhodes and I have the same but different colors.

And we both used 20mm bands because 22 would flush with the moto and be a pain to remove.
[Moto 360] jt3:
No, the one I picked was a 22mm band, and it fit perfectly. The guy even measured my leather band, and showed me that it was also 22mm. Having said that, I will agree that unless you have a good watch pin extraction tool, you'll have a hard time getting to the pins with a 22mm band. A 20mm band will alleviate that, but will slide side-to-side a bit. Just depends on what would bother you more. In my case, I bought a $20-ish watch kit on Amazon which has good extraction tools, because a sliding band would annoy me to hell.
[Moto 360] bsg273:
That's a beauty! Looks like there's no "link-fusion" on the ends of this band so it jutting out isn't an issue. And also looks like a skilled jeweler could potentially etch a notch into it so you don't have to file down the tabs. I'll have to start calling around to my local jewelers and see if anyone is willing to do so.
[Moto 360] kpjimmy:
I have the 20mm and thought to myself, if it didn't fit my moto, it can fit my other watches. I don't have any 21 mm ones lol.

And as for the sliding. It doesn't. Not sure why, I am using the springbars that come with the Moto, not the band. The ones with the band are a bit too fat and short ( because the band is 20mm) for the moto part of the install. I have watch install tools and have to say 20mm is the perfect way to go, unless of course you want to go the 21mm route. As for the 22mm, I am on the fence on. I would love to try it as well, but I wanted to play it safe lol. I am not missing the 2mm too much, the watch still looks great to me. :)

The only gripe is that it's been a looooooong time since metal bands pulled my hair on my wrists lol. But size it correctly and it shouldn't bother you too much.

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Makes perfect sense NOW. Where initially people were saying that it could cause connection problems, which I have no issues with.
[Moto 360] droidkevlar:
Anyone find any ceramic bands that fit? I know the android 22mm one did not, but was wondering if anyone else tried any others.
[Moto 360] furiousgtz:
Can you elaborate?

Can you share the link?
[Moto 360] Rinsewind:
It's store bought in a Fossil store I London so no link avsilible
[Moto 360] akellar:
Sure, there's a notch in the stock band and you'd have to cut a similar notch in the band you linked. FYI this is mentioned about 4000 times in this thread :P
[Moto 360] phatdaddyz01:
Have you made any progress with this? I like this concept, but leave the side where the watch band attaches open like a regular watch so any watch band can be used. Also maybe offer different sizes, I would personally love 24mm. If you get all the dimensions right you can have them 3D printed in stainless at Shapeways.com. Please keep me updated. Thanx.
[Moto 360] Brounoh:
Do_Whut_Now, I am also very keen to know if this worked out. These bands look great. Thanks.
[Moto 360] AndroidRyan:
Id like to know if this would fit as well. This is a really nice watchband.
[Moto 360] roccom33:
I'd definitely buy one if he could make these available., though I'd prefer 22mm. That said I would think 20mm would make the most sense for an adapter like this.. Ideally I would think that a product like this should be as small and unnoticeable as possible. This is how I picture it.... cue bad MS Paint image....
[Moto 360] phatdaddyz01:
That already exists:
[Moto 360] etc6849:
New Hirsch band arrived!

The color shown in the attached pics is the "Gold Brown" version of the Terra band.
[Moto 360] roccom33:
Unfortunately it's already been stated in this thread that it does not fit.
[Moto 360] ChrisNee1988:
Sorry, I'm not a watch expert. Since most of the links on the pebble steel band fused? Therefore would it potentially damage the back?
[Moto 360] r3saucier:
Picked up a couple straps for my black 360 from my local Fossil store for $4 each to tide me over until I find a nice leather strap. I really like it though so I might keep these for awhile!
[Moto 360] Do_Whut_Now:
Primria Pebble Steel leather strap

Bottom line, it didn't fit. BUT! I wasn't about to give up. I had to scrape some material off the inner part of the post holes. Well, it worked! And it looks....NIIIIIIIICE!!!

http://imgur.com/a/AvFiC#fXVKKVI
[Moto 360] Ichibahn SLC:
I'm still working on the adapter I made. Had the first prototype made and it had some problems. I'm currently getting a 3d printer so I can do faster prototyping and then later have it printed in metal. I'll design a few different style adapters.
[Moto 360] opasha:
Did you have to trim the band at all? The Hirsch Tiger looks amazing: http://www.hirschag.com/en/hirsch-bracelet-assortment/tiger-300/
[Moto 360] Do_Whut_Now:
Does it work out? Yes and no. No because the post hole part was too big to fit. Yes because I was able to scrape some leather material out of the post holes which eventually made it fit. The look is pure classic! Hands down one of the nicest "time pieces" I've ever owned. :cool:

https://www.etsy.com/listing/193544401/leather-strap-for-pebble-steel-coffee?
[Moto 360] Brounoh:
Do_Whut_Now, thanks for the report back and for the beautiful pictures! Looks great :good:

What do you mean by "post hole". I don't get that.
[Moto 360] Do_Whut_Now:
It's where the metal post goes into to secure the strap to the watch. That part of the strap was a mm too big to fit into the slot of the 360. So I filed out some of the leather material from the "hole" to make it fit.
[Moto 360] woedee:
Do_Whut_Now that looks great! Thanks for sharing.

BTW are you interested in selling your stock dark grey band? If so, PM me!
[Moto 360] cybercurator:
Do_Whut_Now: That looks fantastic! Thank you for posting the pics and for being brave enough to do this. It looks exactly the same color as the natural leather on the Moto X I just ordered!
[Moto 360] Brounoh:
Got it thanks
[Moto 360] etc6849:
I trimmed the plastic bump out on the watch. I wasn't going to notch my band.
[Moto 360] machoua:
Seems like almost everyone here had a silver moto. I have a black one and just ordered a custom dark brown leather strap from etsy. When it arrives I'll post pics. Anyone has a black moto 360 with brown leather strap pics?
[Moto 360] tvlerizle:
xxx

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[Moto 360] robz2k:
Since it covers the bottom, you have to remove it every time you charge right? Also I'm guessing it doesn't let you do a heart beat reading?
[Moto 360] r3saucier:
Charging works just fine, the heart rate meter does not.