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[Galaxy Note 4 General] POLO_i780:
What!?

That is just weird, I must say, why did they announce Gear VR with the Note 4 when they know that the one variant has a weak GPU that cannot run it properly?

Its little things like this that get to me with Samsung, inconsistencies. Now the VR has also seen quite a lot of interest in many markets (some with Exynos), so that is quite the dilemma. They should have waited until they finally put in a good GPU in the Exynos and then launched VR e.g. if the Galaxy S6 Exy. uses a more powerful GPU or Note 5. Its better to be the one that brings a quality product that is polished, than be the first and have inconsistencies.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] yahyoh:
wut

thats a funny joke , cuz most games runs smoother with higher fps on Mali than Adreno even tho Adremo score lil better on GPU benchmarks
[Galaxy Note 4 General] iba21:
He bought the F so he have to say to all his phone is better.m
[Galaxy Note 4 General] Toss3:
At least it is working internally - we need to keep in mind that the gear vr was developed with the snapdragon in mind and as such is probably going to perform better at first. Once they optimize it for the exynos it's probably going to perform very similarly (the tweet is already almost a month old).
[Galaxy Note 4 General] Bruce lee roy:
Guess SD is better after all ... time to close thread ;)
[Galaxy Note 4 General] Flyer.michael:
Do you know how to use search engines?

https://mobile.twitter.com/ID_AA_Carmack/status/532523541326204928

I dislike uninformed... mostly stupid people...

This thread could have been closed before it was even opened...

Google, ask, yahoo, bing

Learn how to aquire and use the information already existing
[Galaxy Note 4 General] booncol:
I know it's just numbers, but what the hell, it is my personal record!﻿
[Galaxy Note 4 General] jvtrigo:
Is it rooted?
[Galaxy Note 4 General] cole2109:
My best score...
[Galaxy Note 4 General] booncol:
Full stock. Disabled unused apps.

You beat me :/
[Galaxy Note 4 General] iba21:
Well, i don't have to go to google to find some sites like i_love_qualcomm.com to read some posts in it.

Since you are so informed, you should know different hardware arch have different bit responde, i'm meaning, one arch could take less cicles to compile the same task , not all code are the same, it changes..

So.. since i don't play games on phone, i have the play, for me, you could have a geforce 999 in your phone, for me it's the same..

But you were obbly to say snapp is better because you bought it, and sure, probably you have a little "stick", too short, so you need attenction..probably that's the cause

P.s. for me the best mobile gpus are geforce (nvidia) and adreno

Mali, powervm, good gpu, but, commercially the other 2 are not so good

Anyway you still have an old krait 450 with old hotplug logic.

In other words, since qualcomm choses to use big.little on cortex and not it's krait arch, your chip s*ks and you still have short stick (another one time)

Marry christmas
[Galaxy Note 4 General] Flyer.michael:
I was only referring to users who are concidering to buy Gear VR

Your points are valid in regard to most other usage scenarios
[Galaxy Note 4 General] Huntyz:
Stock debloated with custom kernel.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] deio:
Quote:

Originally Posted by Flyer.michael

For Gear VR users the only option is 910F

GPU of 910C is too slow to run it smoothly

If you want to use the Gear VR - only Snapdragon runs smooth because of the better GPU

Not my oppinion but an official statement

[MENTION=4141560]Flyer.michael[/MENTION] where did you got all this crap? Do you have an official statement to prove? With evidence?

You are talking crap. The only reason because Oculus works with Snapdragon is that Note 4 in usa is only 910F, this is the "official" problem.

The two phones have same performance, in real world, not in crappy benchmarks optimized for any of them at a time. The behave 99% the same way and have almost same battery life +/- few percent, depending on what tasks you do.

Exynos version is a one step ahead because of the architecture, which by the way, Qualcomm adopted already with 810/815.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] bala_gamer:
gear vr will and should work on all note 4 models, both the gpu are good enough for gearvr!!!
[Galaxy Note 4 General] jvtrigo:
Stock no root.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] darekz:
You are right but if you want to enjoy gear vr now, you need to choose snapdragon or wait for future software updates.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] iNeri:
Same here. Exynos:

Enviado desde mi SM-N910C mediante Tapatalk
[Galaxy Note 4 General] vhjc:
Mine is also stock, no root and Exynos :D
[Galaxy Note 4 General] djak272:
Guys

i just compared my note 3 snapdragon oc 2.7 with a friends stock note 4 exynos 910c

and in antutu i was able to beat him in cpu tests:D

i was expecting note 4 to beat note 3 but

surprisingly i was able to beat with an year old soc:confused:

Ps: in overall antutu score exynos got 50k and i just got 41k :o :p
[Galaxy Note 4 General] Toss3:
So a highly overlocked older soc is able to beat a newer SoC in one benchmark? Not surprising in the least. If you could run the Note 3 stable at 2.7ghz 24/7 then it might be a more valid comparison.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] tmac31:
I doubt it can test exynos on full performance yet. Cuz cpu score in normal antutu is different too. What is geekbench score of yours? Its 1300-4300 for exynos.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] Lodix:
That is why Antutu as a benchmark is useless :)
[Galaxy Note 4 General] iba21:
Because ca15 is better than ca57.. benchmark are perfect, and santa is real!! :D

are you really sure cortex a 57 is worst than ca15?

Well, now you know how software changes the benchmarks results.. so.. don't know why peoples do benchmarks all the time
[Galaxy Note 4 General] lycan_codex:
I am quite surprised that this thread is open for a such a long time and folks are still trying to decide which one is perfect.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] djak272:
its highly stable

no over heating or any random reboots + having a good battery life too :cool:

its lean kernel :good:
[Galaxy Note 4 General] tmac31:
Krait 400 is not even cortex a15 just worse. If you set them at same frequency ofc.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] djak272:
i get around 930 on single core and 2684 on multi-core:)
[Galaxy Note 4 General] Clippernote:
I like this thread it makes me laugh. Surprised the poll seems to push the exynos considering most carriers would hold SD in stock?

One thing i might be wrong but you would think SD is a alternative chip source for note4 has less cores but faster single cores but are are they overclocked already and im more interested in heat temps and battery life compared to each other.

Also the last time I checked population of the asian continent outstrips europe and Americas.

Like to know if there are korean roms and Chinese roms developers or even a xda forum equivalent developer's so easy to just think we the center of the universal!

Have to report moderated usage the battery left is about 30% from 9.00am to 10.00pm
[Galaxy Note 4 General] iba21:
Right i suppoused the note3 was the exynos version..

Anyway benchmarks are too dependent of the software runned over the hardware
[Galaxy Note 4 General] Lodix:
Well don't compare all benchmarks with Antutu, there are very realistic benchmarks to see the performance of a SOC.

The Exynos has better single core performance, do not be fooled by frequencies.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] gregman26:
Note 4 910C Exynos stock ?
[Galaxy Note 4 General] Clippernote:
Thats my point i would like to see in depth testing with apps some benchmark apps are made by SD. Questions from a multi core architecture point of view is lower ghz will use less watts and would yield better with multiple apps usages. Surprised to hear single cores on SD are trumpt by exy? Tbf one that clouds results are the fact all manufactures hold back the hardware so they can market so called newer better phones. Hence i usually upgrade after every three years for that leap. Ive played with note3 and the screen is about the only major leap justification of the price increases are far and few in between noticed edge users moaning about 200 dollar price diff.

Im comming from an htc evo 3d. This is heaven
[Galaxy Note 4 General] jvtrigo:
Stock not rooted.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] POLO_i780:
N910F, stock, no root.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] Ausboy 2011:
That scores higher than my exynos stock. Are u sure your not rooted lol
[Galaxy Note 4 General] POLO_i780:
Pretty sure.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] AndreiLux:
Antutu scores are useless, they change with every new version of the app.

Now my 910C is suddenly getting 53K on 5.5.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] Ausboy 2011:
I agree yep new version seems dodgier than ever!!
[Galaxy Note 4 General] POLO_i780:
Lol, just as expected. Gotta love this forum.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] ghawyhob:
Hey bro , is there new update or fix for touch lag .thx master
[Galaxy Note 4 General] Ausboy 2011:
Really.. seriously man. How many times do people have to be told... no wonder devs get the ****s, please just leave xda for all our sakes
[Galaxy Note 4 General] ghawyhob:
Iam very sorry . Thx
[Galaxy Note 4 General] robt772000:
910u. Bam.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] fixfox2:
The antutu benchmark scores are dependent on the CPU temperature .

This is due to thermal throttling ....which is the highest limiting factor now.... overlocking won't help much.

The best performance would be achieved with a cool cpu (i.e. low temp climate or under-volting)

It's important to post the cpu temp (or ambient/room temp) prior to running the tests for comparison purposes.

For example....

Exynos: N910h

1st run .......

Room temp: 30 C

CPU temp: 38 C

Antutu v5.5 score: 50,529 (stock)

2nd run........

Fridge (10 mins):

CPU temp: 19 C

Antutu v5.5 score: 53,124 (stock)
[Galaxy Note 4 General] Ausboy 2011:
Yup the exynos does run hot but i think the sd runs hotter.. undervolting is our best friend
[Galaxy Note 4 General] Clippernote:
If Antutu is so unreliable to use does geekbench 3.0 more stable in results?

I trying to water cool my device just to bench, liquid nitrogen will help ;)

Mine on geekbench is

Single core 1275

Multi core 4182

Apparently geek bench is independant?

Running Exy
[Galaxy Note 4 General] cole2109:
Stock no root...
[Galaxy Note 4 General] fixfox2:
The issue is not with the benchmarking software...... it's more of how hot the CPU gets during benchmarking ( so as to require thermal throttling)

N910h, Exynos 5433

Temp: -: Room 30 C, CPU 37 C

Geekbench v3.3.1: singlecore 1276 , multicore 4236

N910h, Exynos 5433

Temp: Cooled

Geekbench v3.3.1: singlecore 1280, multicore 4362

older cpu's ....

N900, Exynos 5420(Note 3)

Temp: Room 30 C, CPU 40 C

Geekbench v3.3.1: singlecore 949, multicore 2869

P601, Exynos 5420(Note 10.1 2014)

Temp: Room 30 C, CPU 41 C

Geekbench v3.3.1: singlecore 954, multicore 2887
[Galaxy Note 4 General] darekz:
What do those scores mean in real life? Most of use using phone for calls, internet browsing, casual gaming etc. Are there any real life differences between both processors? I only found one so far: gear vr doesnt work with exynos version so far.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] Adrian Markus:
Guys please help me out I live in India(Delhi) I am confused which one to go for Snapdragon or Exynos. I heard Exynos is 64bit. Which one is better. I should go for Exynos shall I buy it from Dubai ? Because in India Samsung has launched only Snapdragon.

Please help me out.

Thanks.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] iba21:
Ehy has a 64bit chip but software runs at 32 bit
[Galaxy Note 4 General] Lodix:
As Iba says right now the Exynos is working in 32bits and we don't know if Samsung will change it with Lollipop. But in general the Exynos is better, just make sure all the bands that you need are present in the device you will get.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] gekkehenkie11:
I'd say:

1) Make sure the bands you need are present

2) Decide whether you want to use stock ROM or not.

If one of the devices doesnt have the right band, choice is easy. If you're not planning on custom ROM's, then buy the Exynos. But if you do, go for the snapdragon.

Personally to me that last is MUCH more important than benchmark scores. While Exynos peeps might have to wait a few more months, snapdragon users have Lollipop 5.0.2 available via CM12 already. And it rocks :) I'm getting 30% higher nand performances scores and the interface is just so much more fluid. Of course in this stage it's still in 'beta', but development is going very rapidly. Today we got NFC up, that was the last thing that was still missing in CM12. So we have all features up now, including the S-pen !! Now it's just about optimizing current things, like battery life that's still better on stock. But that's going to change too :)

But if you're really a basic user, hardly dont understand what a custom ROM is anyway, then you might want to buy the Exynos. That will give you more out-of-the-box power in general and I can surely understand that that's all some people need.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] Lodix:
Exynos is not just better in "benchmarks" xD

And we have some custom roms and kernels.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] gekkehenkie11:
So what then would be better ? It's mostly a theoretical thing. Yeah it might run somewhat better on TW, but CM12 beats the hell out of TW anyway.

Sure you have. The kernel is not the problem, kernel code is available for ALL devices. But the system is not. So Exynos will never see a stable rom like cyanogenmod, that's for sure.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] tmac31:
If your cm12 reached nexus 6 speed you barely match the exynos speed on tw. Ill test cm12 on my old sd note 3 to see how far they progressed

And yes exynos wont have any proper aosp rom.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] Lodix:
Benchmarks are not "theorical". If you don't have in mind Antutu there are a lot of benchs that show the real power of a CPU/GPU/etc.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] gekkehenkie11:
Sure but I mean, what practical advantage will you experience with some higher benchmarks ? GPU difference is almost non existent anyway, if not higher scores for the Snapdragon. So what practical advantage will you have of a bit higher CPU benchmarks if you HAVE to run TW anyway ? From a practical point of view, with Snapdragon you can run CM12 and experience a much more fluent and reactive interface than TW will ever be.

The only thing I think you could bring up is CPU throttling on Snapdragon which can affect gaming performance when the device runs hot. But that can be tweaked.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] lopri:
Exynos + U.S. LTE

Is 910C capable of it? I thought I read about it somewhere but I do not remember. Is it compatible with AT&T or T-Mobile's networks (including LTE), just like other unlocked GSM phones?

I did check the supported bands but I want real-life confirmations.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] Lodix:
It is not "higher benchmarks" it is a most capable CPU which means a smoother and a faster experience. Most of the people who buy a Note want all the Samsung features so they won't switch to CM.

And the GPU of the Exynos seems to have a much better real life performance in games than Adreno.

You can tweak throttling and you can burn your SOC.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] gekkehenkie11:
Yeah but that's the thing. Touchwiz is never going to offer the smoothness and responsiveness of an aosp ROM, regardless of CPU power. Sure, if you are a heavy gamer I would suggest to buy the exynos cause you are going to be less temperature dependant. But in all other cases an aosp ROM is going to get you a much smoother general feeling.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] iba21:
If you don't have any special need.. buy the version of your country

If not, buy what you thinks is better for you

the main difference are those:

Exy has a new octacore 64bit chip at 20nm (but runs at 32bit)

Snap has better LTE modules

So.. if you want a newer chip, go to the exy, if you don't think cpu is important on phone and you prefere to have a fast lte, go to snap

I advise to chose snap even if you play games

But if you do a lot of multitasking + apps + web, octa is more fluid and cold
[Galaxy Note 4 General] domy1985:
Doesn't Note 3 with exynos have Cyanogenmod rom?

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[Galaxy Note 4 General] yahyoh:
so what ? even galaxy S3 with Exynos got Android 5 up and running before many snapdragons devices , but no matter what Aosp roms will have more bugs than TW roms on snapdragons or on exynos
[Galaxy Note 4 General] domy1985:
Just a question, but for sure if someone buys a note 4 he does it because of all software features with tw

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[Galaxy Note 4 General] gekkehenkie11:
Yeah but last time I checked (a few weeks ago) they couldn't even call normally ! And that's more than a year after introduction of the device. That's why I suggest to just forget about custom ROM's when you have an Exynos device. Custom ROMs will never be stable on it. At least not within a year time frame and most likely even never (like the S4 exynos, still no 'stable' CM release).
[Galaxy Note 4 General] domy1985:
But if Samsung activates 64 bit in lollipop, it should be fine.

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[Galaxy Note 4 General] shinasurada:
I was trying to confirm this and did get a few replys from PMs to owners. They do work with AT&T LTE bands(did not do homework on T-mobile). Mine will be coming in the next week or two.

Just helping you out so you don't have to spend days searching and reading.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] ps000000:
Will the Snap model has more Custom ROMs ?

( I look at Note 3 Forum but for Note 4 I am not sure. ):confused:
[Galaxy Note 4 General] fazerrider:
I have the N910C octacore. Antutu benchmarks are always 50.000+ points, the N910F snapdragon model gets "only" 43.000 points. In terms of performance I prefer the octacore model. Hoping Lollipop comes with a 64 bits version :)
[Galaxy Note 4 General] POLO_i780:
I have a N910F and get between 48000-50300.

Either variant is a beast, get what is best supported in your country. If you desperately want the Exynos then get the N910U, at least that has LTE Cat.6.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] tmac31:
Wrong advice people should check lte bands for their carrier. Both cant work in everywhere. For US 910c mostly better for example.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] daffie:
Yeah here's hoping that as well. Right now I'm getting a 51.000 Antutu score on my Exynos OctaCore version, which is ridiculous! I got a score of 43.000 on my former HTC One M8, which I already considered to be really fast.

But as others say benchmarks aren't everything. Most importantly my personal user experience on the Note 4 is exceptionally good...even on TouchWiz (which takes up some 1.2-1.3GB RAM by itself). Very smooth and fast, it never bogs down.

The size of this Beast is another matter alltogether...takes some time to get used to personally...but I'll get there eventually :good:
[Galaxy Note 4 General] gekkehenkie11:
Getting 51k on Antutu with my 910F, saw someone post over 52k here with 910F. Not sure where you getting that nonsense. It must have been someone testing it when his device was hot and termal throttling was kicking in. But even then, seems like a faulty device cause the lowest score I have seen myself (when my device was rather hot) was 47k.

Edit, just ran again, 50.723 latest round on my 910F.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] tmac31:
He was talking about old antutu scores i think latest update changed scores. I was getting 50k before update now around 53k on exynos. Thats one of the reasons why antutu sucks. All in 1 benchmarks just worthless.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] gekkehenkie11:
When I was talking about 47k, I was talking about the old version too. I've never seen 43k, even when my device was hot. It's just nonsense to put that up here, 910F guys are getting 51k-52k scores too with the new version and I'm sure with some tweaking and overclocking, 53k+ is possible too (I'm just running out-of-the-box and gettin 51k already).
[Galaxy Note 4 General] tmac31:
Well 47k was it indeed. 43k probably throttled score. I saw 25k on my friends snapdragon too after 3-4 min 4k video record it was very hot and throttled alot. So not important.

Overclocking is another story with overclocking to 2.0 ghz on older version antutu exynos was getting around 57k and its not important too.

And i again antutu is just a fail benchmark i dont care about it like all other all in 1 benchmarks. I just use geekbench for cpu gfxbench for gpu androbench for nand. And delete all after the 1st day of phone benchmarking every day is pointless.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] Barff1984:
If i bought one in the UK, what chipset would be on it? I'm tempted to jump ship from my Nexus 5 and want to know i wont have any regrets.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] Lodix:
In UK the version that they sell is the Snapdragon, but Exynos version can work in UK.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] gekkehenkie11:
I find this VERY hard to believe. Going to try it right now, 4 minutes of UHD recording and then immediately after that going to run the benchmark. Will report here in a few minutes. I expect at LEAST 45k.

*EDIT* after 1 minutes of UHD phone still feels cool

2 minutes in now, slightly warmer but wouldt call it 'hot' at all.

3 minutes, temp slightly climbs, I'd call it warm but not 'hot' at all.

4 minutes, phone is warm but nowhere 'hot'. Stopped recording, immediately switched to AnTuTu wich is now running it's test, 18% in now.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] tmac31:
dunno it was 2 months ago and like 2 updates ago but sure give it a try. and whatever score is cpu and gpu was throttled down to half. my s800 note 3 does it too always or nexus 5 or htc one m7 i saw big throttle on my all snapdragon devices always nothing new for me.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] gekkehenkie11:
Wow I didnt expect this but you were not making this up. 27k score after 4k video test for 4 minutes, so it indeed must have been running at about 50% of it's capacity due to thermal throttling. That's quite bad indeed !

---------- Post added at 07:04 PM ---------- Previous post was at 07:01 PM ----------

Phone was really nowhere 'hot' though, not during video, nor during the benchmark. I think the throttling parameters can be adjusted for throttling to kick in much later, so that it will run full speed up to much higher temperatures. I've been running with TW stock parameters now, will try later with setting throttling temperature 20 degree higher and see what happens.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] tmac31:
thanks for confirmation. its not that bad in games my friend says it doesnt throttle that hard only on 4k record. but its there and always been there for snapdragon. thats why 5 min limit on 4k is there it was even worse on s801/ s800

can you check battery and cpu temp after 4 min record too?
[Galaxy Note 4 General] gekkehenkie11:
Sure will run some more tests later on, also with messing around with the thermal parameters cause I think they can be much higher, since the phone got nowhere hot, not during video, nor during the benchmark itself.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] tmac31:
hmm could be when i tried it was hot. but with updates they could be fixed the heat but still didnt change throttling degrees. it was like 35-40 degrees for my nexus 4 or something. dunno could be very low for s805 note 4 too.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] lopri:
Thank you, shinasurada. It is strange that there has not already been a mini database regarding this interesting topic.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] Lodix:
That is for battery, and the Nexus 4 had the Snapdragon 600.

I don't recommend "tweaking" the throttling.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] tmac31:
It was s4 pro
[Galaxy Note 4 General] Lodix:
Oh right, even more reasons to not compare them in efficiency xD
[Galaxy Note 4 General] gekkehenkie11:
And why is that ? If you experience any problems like crashes or it just gets too hot for your likings, you know you should lower it. At the moment it's clearly set to low for at least my liking, since it gets nowhere hot yet it throttles full force already.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] Lodix:
It is not your likings, it is about the security of the SOC and power consumption.