yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[Galaxy Note 4 General] arjun90:
Once Samsung is compelled to modify the kernel to be 64-bit compatible, then only will developers will be able to get a hold of it. Before that, its not possible. Now here's some hope for users like you. The Galaxy S6 is going to most likely come with the Exynos 7 with 64-bit enabled out of the box. Developers may be able to port the kernel from the S6, and do something creative for the Exynos Note 4. However, as of now, Samsung has no plans to enable 64-bit for Exynos Note 4 owners, hopefully something will come along the way especially in Korean territory. I will likely come back to this post several months from now. ;)

Samsung can modify the kernel, but doesn't choose to, thanks to the simple fact that many Snapdragon users will be disappointed (majority of Note 4's are Snapdragon-based). It's safe marketing per say, Samsung certainly doesn't want to loose market share especially since cheaper manufacturers are gaining market-share.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] tmac31:
Samsung didnt and cant provide anything 64 bit with 4.4.4. They didnt release any 64 bit capable chip with 5.0 yet including snapdragon 64 bit chips. So we just dont have any idea about it. Samsung doesnt say s615 phones are 64 bit too. So that can stay 32 bit like new a7 exynos 5430 is 32 bit s615 is 64 bit are you sure it will stay 32 bit on both?

Ofc they can keep 64 bit for s6 espacialy if they gonna use exynos mostly on s6. And exynos 5433 already a new generation armv8 cpu with really high performance. Armv8 more important than being 64 bit. If s805 user happy now and gonna be mad if exynos get 64 bit they have problems. There is allready 30% cpu raw power difference atm.

And samsung is samsung they do whatever they want in software wise. They are using h.265 decode capable cpus and advertise phones h.265 capable but doesnt bring h.265 capable video player too. In 64 bit if they wanna bring it they will if they dont they wont. They are still advertising note 4 is 64 bit phone in my country and say 5.0 will bring 64 bit so we will see what will happen if they wont bring it. Just dont trust samsung but they are so complicated in software stuff can do anything..
[Galaxy Note 4 General] calj17:
Owners of Note 4 Exynos Variants join our thread about building cyanogenmod 12 port for Exynos Note 4 with Spen support and developer work to try to enable 64 bits support in Exynos 5433

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=2986964
[Galaxy Note 4 General] d.vasegh:
Snapdragon 805 Performance

now you can see the performance of snapdragon 805
[Galaxy Note 4 General] JNetwork:
How do you know it will NEVER get 64-bit support? Things can change and unless you know the future you can't really know. So many things ppl said will never happen still happened.

Like I remember ppl saying all over the forums that the Xperia x10 will NEVER get Gingerbread update... but it did... even though Sony said earlier they won't update it... thry changed their minds simply.

Same with Note 2. Ppl were absolutely certain it will not get Lollipop and that it's too old and they will drop support for it and focus on newer phones. From what it seems now it is getting the Lollipop version as well.

Just wondering how you know it will NEVER get it
[Galaxy Note 4 General] POLO_i780:
Seems Qualcomm quickly wants to leave ARM Cortex cores, the Snapdragon 810 with ARM A53/A57 seems to truly be just a stop-gap, the 820 will apparently feature Qualcomm's own 'Taipan' architecture. :

http://www.phonearena.com/news/Qual...0-surfaces-Taipan-Krait-successor-due_id65010

I will gladly skip any Snapdragon 810 based device and wait for Qualcomm to launch the 820 as chances are its custom cores will be super efficient much like the Krait 800, 801 and 805.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] tmac31:
Ofc they will want to skip arm a57 is best arm core atm and its already 6-7 months old. S810 is mostly 5433(cpu wise) rival it should have been there for late 2014 and replace s805 which has old krait cores they have been using like 2 years. And for late 2015 they need newer and faster cpu and s810 will probably have problems too and it has already. And samsung will probably move 14 nm in 7420 so 20 nm is already old too. S810 is barely having fun in 20 nm cant even do geekbench without throttling atm. All s810 scores very low atm cuz of throttling.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] Lodix:
Most of the SOCs throttle in benchmarks, the Exynos 5433 throtlles in Geekbench too.

What is the surprised about that ?? Qualcomm always use custom cores.

Apart from that the rest of the new is just the imagination of the writer.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] tmac31:
Exynos 5433 doesnt really throttle on single geekbench test. I can consistently get 1280 single 4450 multicore score whenever i do it. But s810 cant even done single geekbench test without throttling.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] POLO_i780:
Earlier in this thread people claimed that the S810 and ARM A53/57 were not a stop-gap for Qualcomm, it was quite a laughable convo. really.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] Lodix:
It does, I have checked it.

What matter what the people say ??
[Galaxy Note 4 General] tmac31:
After i read your comment i did another test atm (no cooling no root stock rom nothing special just a random test) i got 1260 single core 4350 mutlicore if its the throttled score i dont know i didnt check with another cpu program but phone doesnt even warm .
[Galaxy Note 4 General] Lodix:
Why do you think that if you put the phone in the freezer it gets better scores ?? SOCs can't sustain high frequencies for a long time (seconds).

Just run the bench with a floating app that measures frequency and CPU temp like system tuner.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] arjun90:
I've had a better experience in Exynos no doubt, the problems already surfacing the Snapdragon 810 are reinforcements to stay away from any SD CPU in general. Never had overheating issues with the Exynos. Though I did come across audio issues in several Exynos based models.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] tmac31:
1 question did you ever use snapdragon phone?
[Galaxy Note 4 General] Lodix:
Only the Qualcomm Note 3, why ??
[Galaxy Note 4 General] tmac31:
Because avoiding max frequency for long time is another story. Limiting max frequency to 1200-1000 or even 800 is another story. Snapdragon thermal throttling is very intense and starts kicking in low temps too. Exynos or another socs can throttle this hard too but last years they showed snapdragon throttling temps are way lower.

Yes i did geekbench with cpu tracker yes cpu doesnt sit on 1900 on a57 and 1300 on a53 whole time of test and yes i got similar score again. But when test is done i reopened a app and cpu went max freq it doesnt really throttled. But like my s800 note 3 if throttling starts it just limits max freq of cpu phone just never go to 2.3 ghz until phone is on ideal temp again.

Thats what i call thermal throttling they say s810 builds atm cant pass 1300-1400 frequencies proper and limiting the cpu always. Its not the same thing what you are talking about on exynos there is big difference.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] Lodix:
I know that the Snapdragon has a lower temperature to throttle but the point is that the Exynos does too.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] tmac31:
Ofc every soc throttle but problem is how and how often they do
[Galaxy Note 4 General] mwebb34:
Im wanting the note 4 Exynox. I see that this model can be rooted. Can the bootloader be unlocked? And could i use it on verizon or At&t. The snapdragon is more popular. Which version should i buy so i can root and unlock. I live in the states, eastern part.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] sireniankyle:
The bootloader can be unlocked, and i'm using mine on at&t. Idk about verizon.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] Bruce lee roy:
For what purpose are you looking to root?
[Galaxy Note 4 General] mwebb34:
For what purpose am i looking to root, hmmm let me think on that for a day or too, lol
[Galaxy Note 4 General] -Sweeper_:
Samsung Drops Qualcomm Chip From Next Galaxy Smartphone

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2015-...ualcomm-chip-from-next-galaxy-smartphone.html

About time. I bet Exynos S6 will perform better than any of the S810-based competitors. Had they done this with Note 4 we would probably be running 64-bit Lollipop by now.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] Flyer.michael:
I'm still sticking with N910F Snapdragon as I got my Note 4 only because of the Gear VR - which surprisingly only few have.

I'll switch if Gear VR will perform better with the VR ... who knows
[Galaxy Note 4 General] WaelElZahr:
Battery Life

Hello,

How's the battery life on the SM-910F?

How much Screen On Time do you get?
[Galaxy Note 4 General] Bruce lee roy:
Good one ... not really... but if it's to take advantage of development, perhaps you might consider looking at dev section of two phones.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] POLO_i780:
I have a N910F and get around 6-7hours Screen On Time, the power efficient smartphone I've had by far.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] NamelessFragger:
As someone on Sprint for the time being, it's not like I have much of a choice: S805-based N910P or no phone service.

That said, I already have two reasons to favor the Snapdragon variants over the Exynos ones:

-Gear VR isn't currently supported on Exynos variants, and it probably doesn't work on the new S810 variant either.

-Camera images are forcibly pre-processed on Exynos variants even with third-party apps.

With those aside, performance of the two SoCs is a wash as they generally trade blows in benchmarks and real-world use, certainly not like the Galaxy S3 where the US Snapdragon variants were thoroughly shafted compared to the overseas Exynos variants, and I'm expecting these two points to change by the time Samsung starts pushing out Lollipop updates.

For starters, there could be improved GPU drivers for both SoCs alongside Gear VR support for Exynos, Samsung could implement the new camera2 API and Exynos devices could have unprocessed photos on third-party apps as a result, so on and so forth. These are still bleeding-edge devices with a lot of potential yet to be unlocked on the software side of things, and the best is yet to come.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] WaelElZahr:
Cool Thanks!

And do you notice any lag here and there?

I have an Exynos Powered Note 4 (SM-910H) but I want to switch to a 4G Variant. In My country, both Sm-910F and SM-910C are available.

But I'm not getting great battery life with my current Note 4 (About 3h SOT with 15h on battery).
[Galaxy Note 4 General] :
I will never go for an Exynos variant in samsung, i had an S4 4G and also an Exynos version of it! and i had also a Note 3 Exynos version which had only 3G, believe me i hated it so much it can barely stand the day and sometimes it can't. the battery life is not so good on Exynos than on Snapdragon. and i was going to buy a Gold Note 4 but i have found it only in Exynos version, so i have pre-ordered a Black 910F and i can't wait to get that baby

hope that my reply helps
[Galaxy Note 4 General] Lodix:
Teh differences in battery are minimall and it will depend on your usage. But you will regret the loss of performance.

Can you explain what do you hate ?? The Exynos has 4G too.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] :
Battery life in Exynos is not so great than the one on Snapdragon :) i don't care that much about the performance since the Exynos lags sometimes, and development is not like the one with Snapdragon.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] WaelElZahr:
How noticeable is the loss of performance on a scale of 1 to 10?

Also for the battery, I watched Marques Brownle's review of the note 4 where he stated that the battery life did change a lot when he switched from Exynos to SD Note 4.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] Lodix:
The battery is very similar in both versions. And idem with the development, you can have more ROMs with the same things that is all... And we have Perseus kernel.

If you like to play games the Exynos is much better.

That is not a realistic comparison, he didn't have signal most of the times.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] :
No i don't play games on my phone, i use it for my personal and professional use only! and no you can see that development on Exynos is not the one with Snapdragon, give it a time and you'll see the difference and no again, the battery with exynos is not like with Snapdragon
[Galaxy Note 4 General] jdomadia:
Battery life on my Exynos 910C, no root, no disabled app...using as it's came from store
[Galaxy Note 4 General] WaelElZahr:
Oh Great!

Can you please send a screenshot of the Time Off Charger?

And give me more details (is it on Wifi or 4g? brightness level...)

Thanks!
[Galaxy Note 4 General] jdomadia:
Time off charge means if i m not mistaking, screen shot is there for one day 0 hours, i m always on auto brightness never change since started phone from first day, only things i do & care is when i m at home, i use my home wifi & switch to gsm for better signal,outside i use 4g or 3g, nothing special.

---------- Post added at 02:43 PM ---------- Previous post was at 02:38 PM ----------

This screen shots are taken yesterday, now today sot is less because of more than one hour of telephone calls so overall average i get easily 6 hours so no complaints.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] Lodix:
What is the point on having 10 ROMs that are the same ???
[Galaxy Note 4 General] :
It's to look for the best one out of the 10 and what is the point on having a phone that won't last a day and what is the point on having a phone that is ultra fast and you're just using it for games or for web browsing or even for facebook? don't you have a computer ?

we share different ideas and if you're going to ask a lot of question i will respond with a lot more, believe me you should probably know by now that Samsung can't last more than 6months and you'll notice the real thing! haven't you heard that the S4 dies automatically even if it was running great? you should look for problems on the web before buying a new phone !

regards
[Galaxy Note 4 General] Lodix:
My phone last me more than one day, I don't know where do u get that the Exynos has that terrible battery life.

And well, if I pay for a mobile phone I want it to be smooth and run games perfectly, or are you staying that u don't being it laggy and not very good in games ???

I am gonna just omit the second paragraph haha
[Galaxy Note 4 General] RISHI RAJ:
Maybe you guys will move on to Note 5 but some cannot & this is the time where snapdragon version gets the next note features in custom roms whereas in exynos version the developer will work hard, give up,loose interest or ask to raise bounty to get all those features & even then not able to match sd variant note 5 features.Yes performance wise it may be less than exynos but it will always beat exynos in getting advanced features & development
[Galaxy Note 4 General] tmac31:
Even i9300 has note 4 features and probably have note 5 features too.... Snapdragon advantage comes when you wanna use aosp roms mostly.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] RISHI RAJ:
True Note 3 exynos users haven't even got CM11 whereas sd users have CM12 already.Also in Note 3 exynos there is only one developer named Dr.Ketan who is trying to port features,who too is not so active after he got Note 4
[Galaxy Note 4 General] kunlegzy:
If you are unlucky with note 3 exynos and you went for snapdragon note 4 well fine but I must say this time around you are unlucky once again.[emoji1]
[Galaxy Note 4 General] RISHI RAJ:
We'll see who's unlucky when Note 5 appears or CM13.Below is the ss of user in oneplus forum which is also a snapdragon who is giving his opinion on exynos note 3 after a year,rest you can imagine.?
[Galaxy Note 4 General] jasonak0s:
Personally dont think that n910c wont get the note 5 features because its also an international model and there are too many exynos variants
[Galaxy Note 4 General] tmac31:
Note 5 will change nothing for note 4 exynos. It will even probably get all features from official samsung rom like s805 version of note 4 it doesnt mean anyrhing. If we are talking about cm you dont have to wait cm13 for it. Cm12 wont be ever stable for exynos too.

But i wont understand people who buy s805 note 4 for cm support while nexuw 6 is outthere with only noticable difference is screen. You can wait months for stable cm on note 4 while you can have pure android nexus in day 1 of the release.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] Lodix:
Again, development doesn't have anything to do with the SOC. If the Snapdragon is the international version it will get more ROMs and stuff, and vice versa with the Exynos.

And I think nobody can complaint about the Note 4 Exynos development.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] RISHI RAJ:
You should understand that people consider cm coz when samsung is slow on releasing update for e.g lollipop they have choice for cm(in future also when samsung will give up Note 4).It's more fluidity in a quality phone which has 16 mp camera with better sensors,better screen & good looks with s pen stylus support.Yes,Note 5 will change nothing on exynos Note 4 coz of closed sources for e.g Note 4 was released with 4.4.4 & Note 3 was on 4.4.2 & no developer was able to port features until & unless a leak of lollipop for exynos was available whereas in sd it was the opposite they ported it without the lollipop leak

---------- Post added at 08:13 AM ---------- Previous post was at 08:10 AM ----------

It has to do with soc coz developer cannot do much stuff if sources are closed eventually the development will become nil when a new phone with new soc arrives(quickly in exynos)
[Galaxy Note 4 General] RISHI RAJ:
Here's the reply from sd user of Note 3 & it doesn't mean that exynos was not international therfore there were less developers.Even one renowned developer named Dr.Ketan(who contributes a lot in both variants)had difficulty in porting features for exynos

*End of Discussion*
[Galaxy Note 4 General] jasonak0s:
I think its lack of will, if not then how they ported the DN4 onto the note 2? Which is exynos on international scale?
[Galaxy Note 4 General] tmac31:
Cm worth something after 2 years when samsung drop support. But atm if you use nexus 6 atm you ll understand camera is almost same sensor doesnt worth, and you ll loose alot of spen features too. It will mostly become just a random stylus. The advantages of note 4 over nexus 6 doesnt worth waiting a stable rom for months. Yes samsung is late with lollipop update but i dont see any stable cm 5.0 do you?

And like i said s3 exynos and note 2 exynos even have note 4 features its closed source too. Porting a samsung rom is always possible even if s6 gonna use exynos again mostly it will have more chance getting better support and porting will be more easy.

Just forget sammy roms exynos will always get them. Only problem is aosp roms.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] jasonak0s:
Also for the note 3 SD was the international version exynos was sold only in some markets, which i case of note 4 there are 2 international versions
[Galaxy Note 4 General] :
Thank you someone knows what i was also talking about! :good:
[Galaxy Note 4 General] jura55:
I'm so suprised, that exists peope who install any CM on any Note device...they will spend so much money and then install software (CM) which cannot fully utilize the device....for Note there is only one way.....touchwiz....if you want CM is nonsense to spend money for any Note....
[Galaxy Note 4 General] gekkehenkie11:
What exactly cant CM do then ? S-pen works perfectly fine here. Installing CM is like chip tuning your car, remove the speed limiters and let it run at maximum speed. Especially on the Snapdragon the difference is HUGE in terms of responsiveness. It's just so fluent and responsive and finally feels like a phone with the hardware specs it's got.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] -Sweeper_:
Yup, I wouldn't touch CM either. There are better phones for a pure Android experience like the Nexus 6 and I actually like Touchwiz. Having tested both versions (N910C and N910F) I can say Exynos is noticeably faster...
[Galaxy Note 4 General] slink_59:
Exynos owners know about cyanogenmod since beginning, theses who buy an exynos is not to get CM on it. It's a personnal choice.

A lot of website say Note4 Exynos is better in terme of battery life and performance. Maybe not true with olders samsung device like Note3 or S4 but it seems Samsung optimized it on Note4.

About the 64bit enabler on Exynos, we now nothing is impossible on XDA. Let's wait Lollipop

Sent from my SM-N910C
[Galaxy Note 4 General] gekkehenkie11:
I think that's indeed the reason why you see some negative reactions from exynos users: they tried a custom ROM before on their previous exynos device and it sucked. Of course it sucked, since Exynos is closed source and development will ALWAYS suck for exynos. Custom ROMs NEVER reach a stable version on Exynos.

If you want an AOSP ROM, never buy an Exynos. Easy as that.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] slink_59:
You're right! I prefer Touchwiz so no care about CM lol. I think that on a Note ,CM is useless you miss Note's (samsung) features

Sent from my SM-N910C
[Galaxy Note 4 General] tmac31:
Well videos you see in youtube for exynos is they are probably on dalvik with animations at 1x. And its still 4.4.4 but you are using 5.0 with art with a rom with nothing inside.

I tested my exynos with nexus 6 side by side exynos launcing apps faster even now but nexus 6 is smoother and more responsive. We have no idea how touchwiz will change in 5.0. It will probably faster from now.

Im not saying cm12 cant be faster but you cant just judge from videos.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] gekkehenkie11:
Yeah the Exynos might become a bit faster on Lollipop, we'll have to see. BTW I was just checking Motorola's site and STILL they have issue's supplying the Nexus 6. The only version readily available is the Blue 32 gb one. Quite a shame that they're having such a hard time getting it to the market (without a contract)

,
[Galaxy Note 4 General] tmac31:
Ye lenovo mostly wanna sell their phones 1st. My friend bought it from a local store without warranty. Thats how i tested. I wanna change my 6 plus for nexus 6 too. 1gb ram is killing me in iphones.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] midreestaj:
I don't get the point of running CM or AOSP on a phablet like Galaxy Note series. You may profit to run these on other phablets but not the Note as the name implies, all those note-ish feature set comes with the TW launcher which is indeed an integral component of the whole formula. If we scrape it off device becomes a common phablet and the name Note becomes irrelevant. IMO better to get a Nexus 6/5 for the purpose of extreme tinkering because those are not the Notes. We've spent the premium for the beauty which resorts within its characteristics
[Galaxy Note 4 General] jasonak0s:
My main concern is that will the 910c get the note 5/6 features via a port?
[Galaxy Note 4 General] Lodix:
¿¿¿¿???? I hope you are talking about CM...
[Galaxy Note 4 General] jasonak0s:
Nope im not, im talking about official samsung firmwares
[Galaxy Note 4 General] tmac31:
If you are talking about official firmwares there isnt any difference. If snapdragon version get note 5/6 features exynos will have it too without any question.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] gekkehenkie11:
You do realize the spen works on cm12?
[Galaxy Note 4 General] Lodix:
Then your question doesn't make any sense.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] jasonak0s:
[MENTION=5468154]Lodix[/MENTION] and why is that?
[Galaxy Note 4 General] Lodix:
Because both versions of the Note 4 will get the same updates.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] jasonak0s:
I dont mean that, i mean that when the official support stops, if we, the N910C will get the features, as the note 2 and galaxy s3 users got the note 4 features
[Galaxy Note 4 General] midreestaj:
Yes I do and I do think it just barely works ;)
[Galaxy Note 4 General] pappschlumpf:
AOSP, not stable on exynos? That's bull**** I think. I've a Note 10.1 exynos running CM12 and on the note 2 I've sold some weeks ago liquidsmooth 4.4.4 was absolutely stable, too. And it will be stable on note 4, too I think. Just have a look to the CM12 donation thread in this section. The guy porting it to 5433 is really experienced and will do an awesome job!