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[Xperia Z3 General] Indicious Flow:
You should understand that battery drain doesn't only comprise of the display itself. You must take other things into considerations. (wakelock, background apps, etc.) And if you really talk about display wise, it's true that AMOLED display allows better saturation in terms of colours and also better contrast ratio due to the no-black-pixel lighting up, but on light surfaces it still suffers on battery drain. You want a phone without such issues? Just go back to Nokia 3310 then :D

And if AMOLED screen is as expensive as an IPS+ LCD screen, I suggest you go check with factories and see how much it's actually made. From my source, they would either practically be the same price, or IPS+ screen tends to be slightly more expensive.

Display is always personal preferences. I'd rather an IPS+ screen due to the natural colors that it produce and it really stands out on the Z2/Z3 as I had hands-on on both of them. And if you are going to discuss this, why not head towards the General Android section? There will be a hell lot of people which will be throwing a lot of facts out making you understand better. No point making this discussion here. Not like Sony will ever go for AMOLED display. They'd rather the real colors then over-saturated and unnatural colors.
[Xperia Z3 General] RHBH:
I don't want a phone with AMOLED, because the color representation isn't accurate as IPS.

What I would like to see is a phone with LCD IPS display lightened by RGB LED, most LCD panels use WLED (white LED).

RGB LED increase the color representation and color contrast.

When you see small tracks on a solid color picture (from light blue to dark blue for example) it's a problem that RGB LED don't suffer from.
[Xperia Z3 General] joelteixeira:
I wouldn't say IPS is a deal breaker to me but, oh man, Z3 would be catching my attention much more with a Amoled display. I was using a Galaxy s4 and now I'm on moto g (gave the s4 to my wife) and I really miss the dark blacks. The blacks on ips is just a light gray.
[Xperia Z3 General] Bäcker:
As the Note4 Display has just been tested as the best mobile display currently available, there is no reasonable argument not to opt for AMOLED in the future - except availability and price.

This includes brightness, color accuracy AND brightness as well as efficiency!

http://www.displaymate.com/Galaxy_Note4_ShootOut_1.htm
[Xperia Z3 General] mudnightoil:
Indeed, people seem to be either grossly misinformed or because X brand uses LCD instead of OLED, they've either become a fanboy of the former or opponent of the latter. Samsung's newer AMOLEDs are hands down the best mobile displays available. There isn't even any competition, to claim otherwise is silly.

They offer far better blacks, contrast ratio (which is vital on a mobile - daylight and outdoors), much wider colour gamut (and accuracy) than any *mobile* IPS panel and lower power draw. Aside from this, pixel responsiveness is effectively instant; for motion, games and overall fluidity and responsiveness they are MASSIVELY better than IPS .. this is the reason the Samsung phones seem so smooth (not because they're faster or have some kind of software or driver based special sauce). Also, because the panel is less brittle, it's less likely to suffer catastrophic damage or the glass/plastic cover smash or crack. They also use fewer toxic substances than LCDs.

As far as I'm concerned, the only other game in town is Sharp's IZGO technology. This because it can potentially eliminate bezels much more easily than competing display tech (see latest Sharp phones), and it reduces IPS-like panels' power draw.

The Quantom Dot filters in Amazon's Kindle tablet do improve colours and blacks a little, but it's really expensive at the moment, and is perhaps a better partner for VA panels, which have much deeper blacks and better contrast than IPS (Sony uses QD filters in their Triluminos VA panel TVs). Also they use Cadmium Selenide, and Cadmium is a very nasty substance.

Emissive Quantum Dot (once they have eliminated Cadmium) is perhaps the holy grail, in a few years time, since it should have none of the longevity issues of OLEDs, and all of the low power, (potentially) low cost, high gamut, high responsiveness benefits.

Anyway, for now I'll be happy with my Z3 Compact that'll be arriving early next week, and use it to complement my Jolla, hopefully with a Sailfish port in due time .... but a Samsung AMOLED screen on a Z4 or 5 Compact would only make it more desirable, in my view.
[Xperia Z3 General] npaladin2000:
Frankly that is a laughable statement, as Samsung Android devices are anything but smooth given their TouchWIZ-based bloat.

The Xperia Z3 is supposed to be using Triluminous technology that includes quantum dots. That will probably have to be confirmed once the phones are released, since in the past there have been Triluminous phones without incorporating quantum dots, but the possibility exists.

While there are some things I like about AMOLED, unless you have content optimized for it, it's very battery inefficient. And the most popular smartphone applications are generally things like Facebook, web browsing, and a few other things that still don't offer a "dark" mode optimized for AMOLED, that minimizes the number of lit background pixels. White backgrounds are not a friend of AMOLED. .
[Xperia Z3 General] mudnightoil:
1) Your statement is laughable, as it's clear I was talking about the display's motion clarity.

2) None of the Xperia devices use quantom dot filters, and neither does the Z3 or Z3C. Triluminos is just a brand name.
[Xperia Z3 General] npaladin2000:
1. The display's motion clarity is impacted by the motion of what it's displaying.

2. Sony to use Triluminous display tech in future Xperia phones, 'quantum dots' will be your bragging rights
[Xperia Z3 General] mudnightoil:
1) Absolute nonsense, and you know it. Any freezes in UI are just that. The refresh rate of the screen or pixel response is not impacted whatsoever. Anyway, Touchwiz UI has absolutely nothing to do with this thread or the point I was making. This is exactly why I was saying people seem to base whether they like or dislike one display technology on whether they're a fan of the company using it, or not.

2) That article is pure speculation, and dates from nearly 18 months ago. The promotional slide it links as evidence is purely related to Sony's TVs. The quote from the Sony Philippines head saying that it would come to Xperia devices does not back up this assertion, as he merely says "Triluminos" displays will come to the Xperia line, which they have. As I said, it's just a marketing term. The Z, Z1, Z2 and Z3 series categorically do not have QD filters, and given how aggressively priced the Z3 and particularly Z3 Compact are and the huge loss Sony Mobile made (mainly due to mid range models), I can't imagine Sony will be clamouring to increase the bill of materials for Z4 or Z5 significantly, by using a QD filter for the screen or AMOLED.
[Xperia Z3 General] npaladin2000:
Umm the Z3 series hasn't even started shipping yet, and yet you are stating they "categorically do not"? Seems like no one is going to know until they test the things... Unless of course they're just out to pump up Samsung anyway. Thanks for hurting your credibility.
[Xperia Z3 General] mudnightoil:
Since you just seem to be trolling now, I'll put you on ignore. The Z3 has had numerous fairly exhaustive reviews posted already, as has the Z3C. Both have very similar colour gamuts etc to the previous models in the Xperia Z series, and indeed other IPS and conventially lit / filtered phone screens. They don't match the colour profile or gamut of a QD augmented LCD. Besides, Sony would have been beating their drum about it. Oh, and I think QD Vision probably would have proudly announced that their technology was "powering the latest generation of Sony Xperia smartphones"; they haven't, because it's not.

P.S. Only Samsung product I've ever owned is one of the first LCD TVs they made, which I inherited years ago.
[Xperia Z3 General] se1000:
http://www.phonearena.com/reviews/S...alaxy-S5-vs-One-M8-vs-iPhone-5s_id3747/page/2

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SS5DlQIhLTM&t=4m20s
[Xperia Z3 General] npaladin2000:
Wow not to mention 80% of the to-date responses in this poll don't care if a screen is AMOLED or not. Yep, citing facts and sources and truth is trolling, yes-sir-ee-bob.

Back to real life, Sony looks to have a good screen going, I do like how they've left enough configuration in there to re-calibrate the screen temperature oneself if one feels motivated to do so. Seems like everyone's doing wonky color tuning in an attempt to emulate the oversaturation that came from Samsung's Galaxy line.
[Xperia Z3 General] Don_Perrignon:
People keep talking about AMOLED not being accurate. But, is that not just Samsung choosing to over saturate the colors and not the problem of AMOLED?
[Xperia Z3 General] npaladin2000:
That's exactly what it is, AMOLED can be accurate, but it also can show hypersaturated colors, and for a while Samsung used that as a visual differentiator for their product. After all, you need to be able to show a difference in order to sell it.
[Xperia Z3 General] i9100g user:
http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=2884423

Super amoled display on Note 4 looks pretty damn accurate.
[Xperia Z3 General] hansip87:
AMOLED or not, if the battery can take the beating then why not? I have used RAZR Maxx before so i know how AMOLED screen behaves. XZU user here and after some time when i came back to view my friend's Note 3, my eyes got tired of it the minute when i watched it playing PokoPang (i know2).. So you can't force all of us to go to AMOLED, some people prefer LCD more than AMOLED. Plus every professional monitor available in the market is using IPS so no AMOLED is ok for most professional.

But truly, the point is why do you have to mind the screen so much? if you can get much better battery life with Z3 then why must persist on the screen? if the IPS is low grade on the Sony then yes AMOLED is a must, but the truth is, IPS these days is very-very good so no point for debating about the screen.
[Xperia Z3 General] Bäcker:
Proffessional monitors are IPS as AMOLED is not widely available in big screen sizes - and if it is available it is too expensive, at least for now.

AMOLED is leaping in terms of improvements. The current crop (Note4) is already superior in almost every way, compared to current IPS offerings. Better accuracy, brighter, more efficient.

The next years will be very impressive with quantum dots and further AMOLED enhancements.
[Xperia Z3 General] FR∑∑MαNFṙomβlα©kM∑Sα:
IPS NEO

guys just wait for JDIs IPS NEO display with local dimming combined with whitemagic!!!!!:cool:

sure then all of us will like IPS
[Xperia Z3 General] nohcho:
God i hope sony will never use amoled, thats one of the reasons i stay away from galaxy devices. Burn in issues are pretty rampant
[Xperia Z3 General] AdiSimpson:
Our Z3 IPS (650cd/m2) is brighter than Note4 AMOLED(480cd/m2). I like deep blacks on AMOLED Displays :cool:
[Xperia Z3 General] zombiej79:
The triluminous display Sony uses is pretty good I like them good all around performance my vita has the old amoled screen the blacks are better but not worth the extra cost if you ask me
[Xperia Z3 General] abhinav.tella:
OLED uses more power on white backgrounds such as web pages. Blue OLED still does not have a large lifespan that is why Samsung uses a huge blue sub pixel. Depending on your usage/brightness you can easily get "noticable" screen burn due to wear on the blue sub pixel before your 2 year contract ends. Screen burn is inevitable in the long run especially near the clock, you may not easily notice it at first though.

I'm happy with LCDs. (Personal Opinion)

[IMG="Amoled vs LCD Power usage"]http://i302.photobucket.com/albums/nn108/bemymonkey/power.png[/IMG]
[Xperia Z3 General] GollyGeeWillikers:
Fluorescent vs Incandescent

When I buy light bulbs for reading I only get incandescent or halogen. The comparison is similar, in my opinion, as AMOLED is comfortable the way incandescent light is, and LED LCD IPS is more like staring into a fluorescent light.

I have tried many cell phones and I must agree with the original poster. Lack of AMOLED keeps me from buying Sony phones. I appreciate Sony industrial design more than what other companies are coming up with and I would buy an AMOLED Xperia for sure.

I don't care about the battery consumption or burn-in. I had burn-in on my Nexus One (after a year...) but not on any AMOLED device since.

This debate could also be cross referenced with Plasma TVs vs LCD or LED - both of the latter are also akin to staring at a fluorescent rectangle.

But that's just my opinion.
[Xperia Z3 General] nedooo:
After a year if you barely use your phone, power users get burn in after few months...only reason I find AMOLED iferior to LCD...

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+1
[Xperia Z3 General] abhinav.tella:
AMOLED is still way off in replacing LCDs in the near future as even LCD tech is making major advances. In white backgrounds such as Web Ambled still eats way more battery in some cases 2x-3x more. As for burn it's not gone. Burn in occurs due to uneven wearing of OLEDs. The blue still has way shorter life than red or green. Only way around it is to use a white OLED with blue filters like some new LG OLED TVs do but apparently that is still not perfected as it has some weird issues. If you are on a 2 year contract and are a power user with much screen time, you will at least get mild burn in easily before contract ends, especially at the navigation and clock areas.

AMOLED has great blacks and better battery on dark backgrounds but in other areas LCD is still preferrable, it's not like LCD innovation just stopped or anything.... Take a look at IGZO displays now being used in some devices. AMOLED being better on eyes? Not really depends on personal preference, in most cases other than the deep blacks you can't really tell.

In the future OLED may take over from LCDs but right now it's still not ready for prime time in terms of long term usage... Low yields, low life span and high cost. Rembert OLEDs have been there since the late 60s or 70s and only recently became viable for mass use, they are still in their infancy.

I think there is too much hype with AMOLED at present.

I like Samsung but avoid their phones because of AMOLED lol. The Z3 has pretty great display other than the bluish white point due to factory calibration.
[Xperia Z3 General] RecklessTurtle:
I switched to Z3 from Note 3 recently and I do miss the AMOLED experience. Deep blacks, vivid colors... I don't really care about this "un-natural look" argument. Put it side-by-side and the AMOLED output is more pleasant to the eye. For me, that's the end of the story. However, I also like the Z3 screen very much. Hated the Z2 screen where you had to look directly at 90 degrees for a proper saturation and color balance. Turn the phone slightly, colors get washed out, everything shifts towards grey. Icky! Now that Sony fixed the screen problem, I moved to back to Sony camp. :)

Another reason why I liked the Note 3 screen was the special filter they used. Even with low back lighting, I could read the screen under direct sun. Not sure if this is an AMOLED related feature or just Samsung's implementation. Nonetheless it was appreciated. :good: I feel like I have to turn on the brightness more on the Z3 to have the same level of reading experience.
[Xperia Z3 General] GollyGeeWillikers:
I would dare say, if Sony made one Xperia with 5"+ AMOLED and an IR port, those of us who are on the fence would likely choose a Sony over Samsung and Motorola. Even with the AMOLED shortcomings of long term burn-in and questionable battery drain it's definitely a technology I personally put at the top of my phone wish list. Anyhow I suppose that will never happen so it's a moot point.
[Xperia Z3 General] Arju:
I'm actually really satisfied with the screen of xperia z3. I went to a mobile store and checked out both nexus 6 and Galaxy Note 4, both had burn in issues. Yes there are apps that you could download to fix it but the solution sounds so ghetto. Hope they can manage to make it better in future versions. As of current time I prefer Sonys screen technology. I do like the colors of amoled but the burn in is a no go for me.
[Xperia Z3 General] nedooo:
There is no way to fix burn in, only new display can fix it...

That is AMOLED exclusive :)
[Xperia Z3 General] ZPaul2Fresh8:
I'm a power user and own the Note 4, Note 3, Note 1 and Nexus 6 and I've never had screen burn in. Never.

I wish Sony would use super AMOLEDs as well. I love having a contrast ratio of infinite.
[Xperia Z3 General] Arju:
Search Google for: fix amoled burn in ;)
[Xperia Z3 General] nedooo:
AMOLED burn in can't be fixed, study about AMOLED technology for few years and come back to confirm my statement...

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Wahahahahahahaha...joker are you...earth shakes from your power usage...it is proven fact...why so serious...
[Xperia Z3 General] Arju:
You're probably right, I haven't looked into it and I don't want it to be a boiled up topic. The reason they burn in is the reason I don't like them. Love the colors though. The apps that claim to fix the issue makes the burn in less noticeable but it's really a ghetto solution.
[Xperia Z3 General] nedooo:
It is about life span of blue pixels that is about 4 times shorter then red-green...and that is huge difference...

I loved AMOLED from beginning and bought very first ones I knew abouty...Samsung Omnia HD...Samsung JET...Samsung Wave...Samsung Galaxy, Galaxy 2...BREAK :)

Burn in problem is the only reason I hate AMOLED displays now...
[Xperia Z3 General] ZPaul2Fresh8:
I'm just giving you an honest opinion. No need to go fanboy on me. For the past 5 years I've had AMOLEDs. I did have a Sony Xperia Z2 for about 6 of those months and the display is rubbish compared to them. Some people will combat the color accuracy but seriously about every Samsung display that's out now has a display setting that can change the balance. But who cares because everyone's color perception is different!

Both display technologies have their cons but LCDs have more dealing with viewing angles, contrast and battery consumption.

Again this is just my opinion, but I for one would love to see an AMOLED in an Xperia flagship.
[Xperia Z3 General] Arju:
Thanks for the elaboration. I agree, the burn in is a draw back. It's a shame. Hopefully newer technology will conquer that. The good part was good battery life. Think that will help most phones endure longer. Fingers crossed for better amoled technology in close future.
[Xperia Z3 General] nedooo:
I would be in AMOLED train again :)

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AMOLED only drawback is burn in, four times faster dying blue sub pixels (sorry for calling them pixels in my previous posts)...everything else I'm AMOLED fanboy :D
[Xperia Z3 General] Emrah Ayar:
I used galaxy series in the past which had amoled screens. To me xperia's screen is much more realistic.
[Xperia Z3 General] se1zure31:
I really love plasma TVs and oled TVs, but those have near constant movement going on the screen to help limit burn in.

But there is a reason they never made plasma monitors even if you got the better picture.

Phones are more static in normal use so its closer to a computer monitor.

Quantum dots will make LCDs so much better and can't get here soon enough.

That tech is why Samsung abanded the oled TV business.
[Xperia Z3 General] abhinav.tella:
Not a fan of current OLED's, however a short term solution to the blue phosphors is to use a white OLED with blue filter as a recently released LG TV does.
[Xperia Z3 General] AlvinZahran98:
I don't care but I also don't understand why those reviewers said AMOLED like " the most natural display on the planet" or "The best smartphone display ever".. Because I thought and I believe that my,our Z3's IPS display is natural, colour really aren't as punchy as, like S6, but it is natural, true to life that's why I like this one more, and my Z3's brightness also one of the best ever on a smartphone, also, AMOLED sometimes oversaturate colours and pictures.
[Xperia Z3 General] jerverg:
Agree. If the Z5 would have AMOLED, it would be the best phone in the universe.

My Z3's screen has some slightly yellowish discoloration below the screen when viewing white pages. Right where the nav buttons are. Driving me crazy at times. My S3 I had for >2 years, no burn in. The reason I am waiting for the Note 5. Samsung screens are the best in business as of the moment.

AMOLED is almost perfect now, well at least for me. Pentile+QHD seems fine. But front speakers+water proof is just so awesome to let go.

Sent from my D6653
[Xperia Z3 General] nedooo:
I was not aware of this LG workarround, still sounds sweet as this is first step in order to overcome that matter of quick fading blue pixels...
[Xperia Z3 General] abhinav.tella:
They bought a lot of OLED related patents from Kodak. Color filters of RGB on top of individual white OLEDs is what they already did for one of their new TVs, this avoids they uneven decay between the colors.

They also are trying RGBW I believe, with the last OLED having no color filter, that way even on white backgrounds OLED can then compete against LCD in terms of power.
[Xperia Z3 General] nedooo:
Great I'm looking forward to have OLED again without blue fast dying subpixels :)
[Xperia Z3 General] kalintka:
+1, samsung amoled is not as white as sony ips lcd, even it is more darker but the contrast is a king. I found that i can read text more easier on amoled screen and if there is a sony z with amoled will be a good idea.
[Xperia Z3 General] tomo100brt:
Did anyone look at Samsung Galaxy S6 series screen from angle? Colours are so diferent and unnatural when looking from angle. And colours are little saturated when looking straight at screen. On XPERIA Z3 I don't have those problems. So that is why I don't like AMOLED screens. I prefer XPERIA Z3+ screen because XPERIA Z3 has little cold (bluish) screen.
[Xperia Z3 General] AlvinZahran98:
I don't know why but I don't know if those reviewers eyes are okay. Because I see that S6's display when we see red colour, we see orange-ish red colour, so not natural, so for N6. Z3,M9,G4, and others are great at that subject. Otherwise, S6 display is amazing though, but like i said before, some colour palettes arent that natural... And....... Z3 has white balance settings :good::cool:
[Xperia Z3 General] gorandroid:
I own Galaxy S2 for 4 years now and my friend gotten xperia z2 so i decided to compare screen colors, at first look you can tell that IPS looks garbage (imo), his black color is like dark blue or dark grey, view angles are mehh, z2 is overall great but Samsung's amoled is something really special and that will most likely make me stick to Samsung devices for quite a while, amoled is ages ahead IPS.
[Xperia Z3 General] parental92:
no absolutely no, because of this

burn in is still a problem with modern AMOLED display. why do you think Samsung still using that hideous home button ?
[Xperia Z3 General] Pandemic:
Amoled drains the battery like the crappy touchwiz..

Sony UI is alot better ^^

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[Xperia Z3 General] josephnero:
He needs to get his eyes checked.Comparing S2.lol

I had S2 then S4 moved to Z2 then to Z3.even S4 could not be compared to Z2
[Xperia Z3 General] Apoena:
You should rework your question - my answer is yes, the lack of AMOLED makes me choose Sony devices. As in: the fact that Samsung only uses AMOLED on their top end devices is one of the main reasons (along with price) that I don't buy Samsung.
[Xperia Z3 General] Lord Takyon:
Personally I've never been a huge fan of amoled. The z3 screen is pretty good tbh, far superior to my old z1.
[Xperia Z3 General] fayez69:
Haha I am wondering why did he chose to write such thing on a sony forum? Not a wise choice according to me..invited trouble for himself.. God bless him ?