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[Galaxy Note 4 General] tmac31:
1st apples specs not worse.

2nd there isnt really app drawer lag not even slowdown. If phone stays like this i wont even need a kernel instead of some extra futures. Like i said i used nexus and touchwiz really improved alot s4 s tw not close to this.

3rd i used stock nexus 5 and cm snapdragon note 3 nexus is always faster more reliable and stable. So just go for nexus if pure android experience is what you want. Trust me you will see more and better roms. The difference between nexus 6 and note 4 doesnt worth if you wont use tw. Abit worse screen and camera you not gonna waste whole battery in 1 day in with a phablet so changeble battery not worth it too. Sdcard slot maybe but still not a big deal.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] gekkehenkie11:
iPhone 6 Plus: Apple A8 chipset – dual core 1.4GHz CPU, quad-core PowerVR GX6450 GPU, 1GB RAM

Galaxy Note 4: Qualcomm Snapdragon 805 chipset – quad-core 2.7GHz CPU, Adreno 420 GPU, 3GB RAM

How is that not worse ? On paper we should all laugh at the iphone. Yet, it pretty much comes out ahead in every cpu test and also in some gpu tests.

Just read the reviews that appeared since yesterday, the Nexus 6 is way worse than the Note 4. Battery life is bad, it has slow sequential read and write speed making the whole experience laggy and slow. So that's not an option.

But not for Exynos since it's mostly not open source so it's hard to develop for. Heck, people still can't even call with an Exynos Note 3 running cyanogenmod !
[Galaxy Note 4 General] xdadevnube:
I didn't see this in the thread specifically, so here goes:

Is there a single Exynos Note 4 model that will work on Verizon?

Either one of or more than one of the following?

LTE band 4

LTE band 13

CDMA

I'm pretty sure there are Exynos devices with Band 4, but I can't find any with Band 13. The Verizon Note 4 seems to be the only Note 4 of them (SD or Exynos) all with Band 13, I hope I'm wrong!
[Galaxy Note 4 General] tmac31:
Nope cores and and frequency not everything it just has better architecture better single core power and close multicore performance to s805 so its not worse on cpu.

Gpu is identical if not better.

Ram its just different os android has multitasking ios dont so you can handle things with 1gb ram so not worse in this area too.. so follow technology before laughing stats on paper. Its not about optimization etc it has definetly great specs.

You read reviews about probably a phone with bad software. Do you think if you use cm on note 4 you will have same battery life? Nope on snapdragon note 3 with tw i had noticably better battery life. I dont even add problems or bugs they could be there dont they?..

Read and write speed i dont think google will do that wrong. Whatever its slow or not it wont do laggy experience i think its just bad softwarw lollipop has problems atm.

I said exynos wont have custom stuff like snapdragon didnt say another thing. But for pure android experience just get nexus you will get better experience and wont wait bug free roms for months. And custom thing will be for extra futures .
[Galaxy Note 4 General] SLMI:
Wow great score brother, can you post detailed info screen about score, such as gpu, cpu, etc :good:
[Galaxy Note 4 General] gekkehenkie11:
Oh really ? Then what in the apple architecture exactly makes that 1.2 ghz double core faster than the 8 cores Exynos running at 2.7 ghz ? Explain that to me please. Thanks !

That's nonsense. Of course apple is 'multitasking' too, just not at the cpu level. But it still needs to swap pages into and out of ram if you have apps opened at the same time.

That's probably cause you don't have experience modding and you don't know how to optimize things.

Ok, so you're saying this is basically all nonsense then: http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2014...premium-price-still-comes-with-compromises/2/

Thanks for sharing your thoughts. However I'll stick with the pro reviewers if you don't mind.

Sure if pure android experience in itself is your goal, go with Nexus. But in my opinion a Snapdragon Note 4 running CM12 is going to be the best thing out there, performing much better than Nexus 6.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] t1337dude:
Apple's magic is done on a software level, not a hardware level. This also allows them to sell their phones for cheaper (and give them more profit).
[Galaxy Note 4 General] tmac31:
there isnt any 2.7 ghz 8 core exynos. there is 2.7 ghz snapdragon without adding apples mods to cpu its armv7 vs armv8 in most basic area. single core performance is waaay better cores and frequency not everything... 1.9 ghz exynos still has more single core power than 2.7 ghz snapdragon too 1050 vs 1300 on geekbench.

my other phone is 6 plus its not really multitasking it just dont even keep stuff in background. safari cant even hold 2 pages if they are heavy so you feel low ram in everywhere. its just hold on feet cuz ios dont multitask with sameway its basically system stuff running in background and phone is on "no background activities mod of android"

about read speed(write is faster or equal to note 4) believe ars technica but that lag will be gone im sure. nexus 6 wont stay slower like nexus 4 like article showed. but like i said just take their idea im not pushing something.

that battery life tests say alot too nexus 5 which can only get 3 hours sot can pass nexus 6? android 5.0 surely has problems.

about battery didnt we talking about just putting cm on note? if you are fully modding everything you can do that on tw based rom too mostly. i was just comparing stock versions of cm and tw.

and buy whatever you think its best mate. im just telling my past experience.

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hmm whats the magic on ios why they dont implent it on mac why are they using great specs on macs instead of using pentium 4 cpu or something and add ios magic? believe or not that specs are great its not just os optimization. optimization comes when they let you get better performance in games with same power gpu and it comes from app developers.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] gekkehenkie11:
How 'waaaay' better is it then according to you ? Of course there are architectural advantages to be had but I don't believe an 1.2 ghz single core is ' waaaay' better than a 2.4 or 2.7 core. It can be if you test for a single instruction that's optimized to maybe just use 1 clock cycle. And if your run cached calcs only. But that's not a 'real world' application. Same goes for 64 bits, in theory it can be twice as fast but only when you read/write a 64 bit double. Most of the times that's barely real world, most calculations only need 32 bit anyway, so it's not going to be 'waaay' faster at all. No, the secret to Apple's speed is called software. I think the main problem in general for Android is the JAVA framework. JAVA is just not built for speed, yet an important part of Android runs in JAVA. I can write applications in C++ that are easily 4x faster on the same CPU, so that would be 2 times faster on a 2 times slower cpu. Apple has done a great job in software optimizations and that's why it's so fast in general.

And then there's touchwiz, to make things even 'waaay' worse and slowing things way more down.

If iphone wouldnt be able to multitask, then you couldn't receive a whatsapp unless you have whatsapp running as a front process. Again, of course apple multitasks, just not at the CPU level. Hence, of course 1 gb or 3 gb should matter. But again, software optimizations mean all the difference here.

I really doubt it, according to several sources it's because Google is using cheap NAND to cut on costs.

Again, Exynos doesn't release important part of the chipset source code, hence it's very difficult to mod.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] t1337dude:
For the price, the specs you get in an Apple setup are terrible. For how much you spend on an Apple desktop, you could get a non-Apple PC more power for less than half the price. But OSX is faster for processing video/sound, encoding, etc. compared to a similarly specced PC. It's just the way it is.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] gekkehenkie11:
I think one key factor is also the synergy one has if one designs both the platform and the CPU: you can then look at the application level, see what needs to be done fast and make sure that these operations are done in single clock cycles on the CPU. Like hardware decoding video, one could do things in hardware that are impossible if CPU and platform are developed independently.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] tmac31:
Tegra k1 2k single core score? Its running on pure android nexus 9 at 2.5 ghz it doubles single core score of s805 nexus 6 with 2.7 ghz with same "optimized" os. So why cant a 1.5 ghz cpu cant get 1.5k ish scores? there is always better architecture you cant compare a 4 ghz pentium 4 cpu single core performance with 1.5 ghz i7 cpu.

I said at 1st ios doesnt multitask like android so it doesnt need that extra ram. Its completly different os it doesnt let apps run in background always basically 1 app is running in foreground other apps handled different. But ram is really needed for 1gb iphones too as a user it makes me feel it everyday you can see ram clear hiccups if switch apps faster its not perfect.

I was talking about snapdragon i didnt talk about exynos at there. I completly agree exynos will have trouble with mods no doubt at that.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] gekkehenkie11:
I'm getting a bit bored with this discussion. My point was, exactly as this reviewer states:

source: http://www.forbes.com/sites/gordonkelly/2014/10/28/galaxy-note-4-vs-iphone-6-plus/5/

And then you went on on how that's not true. So be it. I'm getting bored of this discussion, you fail to see how Apple did huge optimizations at the software level and how it has the synergetic advantage of building both the OS and CPU, where android is much more CPU independent and thus optimizations are much harder (and besides, it wouldnt even be possible since Android runs at a higher level, in JAVA). And you fail to understand how that results in much higher scores on much slower hardware. So be it.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] tmac31:
So basically you dont have an explanation for tegra k1 scores. I guess its well "optimized" os like you said.

Ps:let me add something it also pass s805 in multi core too 2core vs 4 core "on paper this looks like a mismatch" doesnt? I think you got the whole idea wrong what review said.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] gekkehenkie11:
Of course, that's exactly my point: geekbench says their test runs a bunch of 'real world' simulations: so they run a bunch of operations that call to the OS which in turn instructs the hardware. If you'd really want to compare *PURE* hardware speed, you'd need to test hardware instructions, not OS API calls. But again, that doesn't make much sense, since people don't care about *PURE* hardware speed, they want speed in 'real world' applications, and that's where apple has the advantage of a fast OS, so it comes out on top, using slow hardware.

Man. All this guy (and I) are saying that on paper, a computer with 2x more cores, 2x higher frequency clock and 3x more ram, looks better ON PAPER. Not sure who you fail to understand that.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] flatronics:
Exynos users let's celebrate!!
[Galaxy Note 4 General] tmac31:
Didnt i say even on my 1st msg about this was cpu isnt bad and dont check stats on paper. Or you still think cpu is bad and its just os optimization.?

Since Nexus 6 and nexus 9 has same os so wheres the difference come from in "real life testing geekbench"
[Galaxy Note 4 General] gekkehenkie11:
Yes, of course it's OS optimizations man. My point, if you put 20 basic CPU instructions in one program in a row(things like divide, add, sub, shift, register move etc), then it will execute roughly 2x faster on the Snapdragon than on the apple due to 2x faster CPU. However if you put 20 basic API calls in one program, then you're not talking about just machine instructions, but you're talking about executing API's. Maybe those 20 API instructions translate to 500 machine instructions for the Apple and 1500 machine instructions for the Snapdragon running Android. Hence, THAT is the difference. Executing those 500 instructions might execute faster on the Apple than the 1500 machine instructions the Snapdragon has to process.

If you still don't get this, I'm sorry but I don't know how to explain it better than like I just did.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] tmac31:
Im not saying anything about ios or android. Im not saying android is better optimized. Im just asking 1 thing if tegra k1 powered nexus 9 can pass s805 easy with big margin with same os nothing as a special optimization. How are you so sure that apple a8 cant? Do you think if nexus 9 was running on 1.5 ghz the scores will go down below s805? You should try a8 on android to make a statement like this. You are just making an assumption.im not ignoring os optimizations but you are just ignoring a cpu with lower specs on paper actually could be better.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] BarryH_GEG:
Let's play a game. Let's pretend the iP6 outperforms every Android device on the market by 25%. How many people here are going to convert to iOS? Benchmarks are stupid because they test maximum output (all 4/8 CPU cores and the GPU ablaze). A Qualcomm chart I'm tired of re-posting shows 85% of apps/games don't move off of two cores (or A53) and the rest barely touch more. So none of us here does anything with our devices that's remotely close to what benchmarks are simulating. If we were our batteries would last two hours. Even more stupid then arguing over Android benchmarks is dragging Apple benchmarks in to the comparison.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] Kiwito22:
Then just get a Nexus or a Motorola... i really dont see the problem here?!? Does your phone have to say Samsung on it? Im really confused here. And everything on my note 3 is smooth... i dont know why people keep complaining... i think touchwiz is great but if you dont like it and vanilla android is good enough for you.... i really dont understand what you are doing here... just buy another phone that satisfies your needs.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] gekkehenkie11:
Who's complaining ? I've just bought a Note 4 with snapdragon cause I believe that the Note 4 running vanilla android is going to outperform everything even the devices you just mentioned. I'm not complaining at all man :)

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I've lost you. Not sure what point you are making or even want to make. If your point is a 1.2 ghz cpu can theoretically perform certain tasks faster than a 2.4 ghz cpu, of course, it's totally up to CPU design. The reviewer just stated that a computer with 2x more cores, running all cores at 2x higher frequencies and having 3x more rams, on paper has the better specs and you disagreed with that. Whatever man, this is getting ridiculous.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] Lodix:
Is it so complicated to understand that the Apple A8 is just better than the Qualcomm Snapdragon 805 ?? Even running at max frequency the A8 has more raw power at 1'4GHz than the old krait running at 2'7GHz. If you think cores and frequency are all you don't know anything.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] tmac31:
Well you totally understand everything wrong. The reviewer want to say dont just check numbers it doesnt mean SPECS should be better and 1.4 ghz 2 core can outperform 2.7 ghz 4 core. You still dont want to admit apple a8 could have more raw power you are still saying it can do certain task better.

And its been like 4 messages or something and you are still ignoring my question about nexus 9 and nexus 6 cuz its a basic explanation a8 could have more raw power too but you are still saying it comes from os whatever

Numbers are not equal to specs. Numbers are just numbers. You were saying apple is selling old and bad cpu and im basically saying its not.

Do you think 8 core 2 ghz cortex a7 cpu has better specs than a 4 core 1.5 ghz cortex a57 cpu? Thats what reviewer want to say he wants you to understand numbers doesnt mean you have more power and dont fool yourself with illusion of numbers. Numbers are just marketing stuff this days.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] pedmond:
All these flame wars - I have a feeling this thread is degrading rapidly :(
[Galaxy Note 4 General] Lodix:
The most important thing of a CPU is the architecture of the cores.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] gekkehenkie11:
The reviewer literally says: "The Note 4 may seem more powerful on paper but the iPhone 6 Plus not only holds its own every step of the way, but in real world use it is the faster and more responsive of the two devices." He LITERALLY says it !! Then you deny that. That was the whole point.

The 2.3 ghz Tegra K1 is 1.9x faster on single core performance in geekbench than the 2.7 ghz clocked s805, while the clockspeed is even slightly lower (17%). I've never said a slower CPU clock (core) could be faster in certain scenario's, quite the contrary, I've said repeatedly that it's totally up to CPU design and test method. In this case, the Tegra scores very good on this benchmark, cause the Tegra uses a technology where it's not using modern OoO technique but it's analyzing program flow and optimizes that using a lookup table which it stores in cache. So, branched operations will be very quickly. However if you test a program without many branches, it will be slower due to the overhead of calculating the branches (which the snapdragon doesnt have to do). However on this specific test it comes out great and in fact, it might come out very good in a lot of tests. But the clock speed difference here is only 17%, while the clockspeed difference on the Apple vs the Snapdragon is 93% !! And then, we're talking about just one core, the Snapdragon has 2x more cores !! So on paper, it's not just 2x faster, it's 4x faster. Now of course, the Apple might use interesting optimalisation techniques that the Snapdragon doesnt, caching is slightly different, apple has more L1 cache but less L2 cache, so that favours progams using repeating instructions, commonly used in benchmarks. But it sounds almost impossible that a CPU that is running at 50% of the cores and 50% of the clockspeed would be faster at performing calculcations.

The reason, why Apple comes out ahead is the OS. The core of Android is JAVA while the core of IOS is object C. In general, JAVA is just WAY slower at performing tasks, cause code is running inside a virtual machine, while C objective is running directly on the CPU. I'm myself a developer for a high frequency trading firm, so progam execution speed literally equals results and money in my job. Hence, I'm writing all my code in fast C++ code, directly on the machine itself. My order throughput in my code is millions of messages per SECOND, while on Java it's already quite good if you're able to reach 40.000 messages a second. So, a 20x faster CPU running the JAVA program would come actually out SLOWER than an ancient CPU running my fast C++ code. And you'd go "Wow, you see, that's not an old cpu, that's just a cpu with tons of optimisations" totally ignoring the fact that JAVA is a really other beast than C.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] cmd512:
Donation limit achieved, Perseus kernel is a go for Exynos. All the Exynos adopters and those that traded in their Snapdragon variants for one are in for a treat! :)

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Oops, didn't see your post, woohoo! Which online store are you guys picking up your C variant from?
[Galaxy Note 4 General] flatronics:
I'm from Philippines, the released version here is C and stores and telcos are running out of stocks!

luckily I got one already.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] manook:
Just pulled the trigger on a N910c from handtec UK. Seems to cover all frequencies for Three so can't wait. Was on the fence about which model or a n6 but this looks better to me
[Galaxy Note 4 General] cmd512:
Yep, me too, got all of my international devices from Handtec, never had a single issue with them. From the US, it's £506.89 with 1-2 international FedEx shipping included as it would be VAT-free. That's less than most of the Asian sites (ie, 28mobile) even before shipping. Should have the device by early next week, woohoo! :)
[Galaxy Note 4 General] Lodix:
Just to make you understand, there are different types of cores... Cortex A7 are very weak and even 8 cores at 2GHz like the mediatek chip in test ( less antutu ) and in real life will be slower than a dual core Cortex A15 at 1'5GHz because one core is optimised to low power and the other for perfomance.

The Cortex A15 are big cores, more expensive to build and demand a lot of power. But mediatek only want to sell marketing and gain money so Mediatek takes advantage of fool people who thinks cores and frecuency are the most important thing...

Why don't you understand Apple A8 is faster than krait without any SO optimisation? ?
[Galaxy Note 4 General] dr.m0x:
Exynos all the way because I haven't seen a snapdragon that supports the lte band 28 which is used in my country. If I needed band 17 instead I'd be singing a different tune.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] cmd512:
Wait til you get Perseus for Exynos, there isn't a single kernel in Snapdragon land that comes close.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] dr.m0x:
Yeah had it on my Note 2, although it's good news I'm already very happy with my new baby even running the stock kernel.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] blackinifinty:
I think we all agree on that the exynos cpu is a better choice, but this is a serious question, cpu power is not anything.

I have heard while cpu use less power the external and non intergrated modem use a lot more power..

Can anyone confirm that, there is a lot of talk about cpu/gpu batter consumptiom, but how much battery does the exynos version and the modem use for 3G data traffic ? considering I use my phone mostly for using internet I guess it is more important.. Have any one done a serious comparision in the modem battery consumption between snapdragon and exynos version ? This is for me the only dealbreaker.. otherwise I only see benifits with the exynos version, better cpu and gpu and soudn quality.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] gekkehenkie11:
If you don't plan to run custom ROM's, you're right. But if you want to run cyanogenmod for example, then snapdragon clearly is the one to get.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] t1337dude:
If the Apple A8 was faster than Krait, shouldn't the iPhone 6+ absolutely smoke the Note 4 in benchmarks? Or are you denying that the Apple iOS is heavily optimized compared to Android's OS?

I thought it was fairly common knowledge that Apple uses less-specced hardware with more optimized software to achieve their results. This has always been true with their Apple computers and I'm not sure why they'd completely change their strategy when it comes to phones. Their phones are less powerful but more efficient, which contributes to why they have much better battery life.

What you're saying is that the Apple iOS and Android OS are optimized the same...but we all know that the Apple iOS is definitely giving performance boost on the software side of things...so what you're saying makes no sense.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] Lodix:
Omg.... Let's take apart the OS.

I am saying the CPU in A8 outperforms the Snapdragon 805 and you can see it in benchmarks.