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[Galaxy Note 4 General] AndroidNoob22:
Sorry to interrupt but last year I had both the Note 3 Exy n SD and my first preference was Exy at that time as I thought it would be better in gaming, but it was all the opposite and it was a trash for me, few games were just crashing for months n months unless dev fixed them and the ones worked (asphalt) made my phone a boiled egg in just 7 mins n lag was obvious, only then I chose to get the SD on peoples recommendation. Also this year I have both SD n Exy Note 4 and I can gladly say Adreno still performs better than Mali in gaming but Mali is no crap this time as it was in the Note 3 and the difference is so marginal that a normal user might not even notice it, while overall usage (performance) is a slight snappier on the Exy Note 4 it is nothing that someone should be saying that SD is not on par compared to Exy it's I bet normal users wont get the difference, at-least my family n friends dint. Also I see any here bragging the new architecture of the Exynos and saying it's a generation ahead of the Snapdragon, well if that's the case why hasn't anyone said that they both perform equally well (if few milliseconds matter to you Exy is btr) while being a gen ahead in architecture shouldn't it just completely trash out the SD? That makes me really LoL and I'd say get either SD or Exy it's sure you wont be disappointed, if a lil, read properly, just lil snappyness in Exy is what matters get the Exy and if development matters get the SD, and if none matters get any of them, they're the same. Just my personal opinion on personal usage, no hates to the community n members. :)
[Galaxy Note 4 General] midreestaj:
There is no doubt in that Mali-T760 runs 90% of actual 3D titles on a higher FPS compared to Adreno 420

Adreno 420 is a 170'sh Gflop GPU compared to Mali T760 which is a 140'sh Gflop .... See the raw power difference and then you put in the equation the Adreno 330 (SD801 AC bin) churns out whopping 160'sh Gflops and in the end you compare them all to an iPhone 6 GPU 4 cluster Power VR chip sits at ONLY 130 Gflop (lowest of all the above mentioned) - just a raw power comparison

Now the iPhone chip performs better than all but we know that the platform is totally different. What about the android GPU implementation? How is the ARM reference design is pulling FPS/graphics better than a custom design Adreno. We know Mali T760 does outperform Adreno no matter what people say.

Point to think is and If anyone can shed some light on following;

What Qualcomm actually did wrong in the implementation of Adreno or is it game developers are not taking any pain to optimize across different gfx archs?

SD soc is indeed a throttle master lol, how much game play is actually suffered due to it as when session is continued for longer periods of time?

Memory/Bus on Exynos is definitely faster which helps to reduce lags much better in general UI compared to SD counterparts. It is general UI, apps launching, switching between apps to and forth which is the biggest factor in seamless user experience where Exynos takes lead by little margin
[Galaxy Note 4 General] jura55:
Hi man! Still here?? :D Still doesn't realize that Exynos is better or are you trying convince yourself you didn't buy a crap? :D 4 my friend sold their note 4 with SD and bought Exynos when they played with my variant....
[Galaxy Note 4 General] tmac31:
You dont have to feel difference. There is apps to calculate that fps. And exynos delivers better fps in games. Like last year but im not denying last years exynos was heating i wrote that alot of times.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] AndroidNoob22:
I simply don't rely on numbers as real world usage/performance is what counts, still if you feel numbers can tell the other way round, I need not say anything then, cheers!

P.S I am no expert in anything, I can only tell what I feel and see, you guys have far far more knowledge than me so I can be wrong, but what I see myself is what I've mentioned in my previous post, just my 2 cents, have a good day! :)
[Galaxy Note 4 General] tmac31:
If you read the whole conversation i said i dont care about numbers. Im talking about real world tests like fps meter apps that calculate your in game fps numbers not just in theory actual in game test while you are playing a real game(any game you want)like fraps in pc.

So you dont need feel how smooth is a game working. This apps show exynos has higher and more stable fps in games.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] Lodix:
Note 3 snapdragon had double the raw power of the Exynos one in GPU. In games there was not such a huge differences but still Adreno had more fps in games.

It was measured with gamebench.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] gekkehenkie11:
The only one who bought crap is you my friend, just look at the development section: still no real custom AOSP ROM, only some modded Touchwiz crap ! Not even one .. And looking by the current development speed, I'm sure you guys wont even have a stable ROM before the Note 5 is released.

All that means for example you will have to wait for Android 5.1 till this summer, while we will have it maybe next week already (although more likely is that google will release it beginning march). And you are condemend to the worst, most bloated, slowest and crappiest operating system that ever existed: touchwiz. After the s4 I swore to never buy an exynos again and I'm really happy so far :) On the snapdragon we now have even several custom ROM's, Cm12 and recently AICP ! Interfaces are lightning fast. Anyway enjoy your 3.5% faster performance in Antutu while you're watching that crappy OS of yours haha :D
[Galaxy Note 4 General] Lodix:
And you are still talking about ROMs when it we are talking about SOCs... :)

The Exynos version of the Galaxy tablets have more development than the Snapdragon, just because they are sold more. This is the same with Note 4 Snapdragon.

And if you don't know yet, there is a developer that is already working on CM for the Exynos.

Now what is your point ?
[Galaxy Note 4 General] gekkehenkie11:
Yeah I saw it, after a month he still doesnt even have the modem up, let alone that he can boot it. He admitted that most likely it wont be even stable before the Note 5 is out. Good luck wit that man !

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It simply can't be seen apart. If the Exynos would have the interest of developers I would have bought one, much easier for me since I live in an Exynos country :) Now I had to order a 910F from outside the country.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] Lodix:
Since when a CM ROM is totally stable for a device ??? XD

And please, I repeat myself again, We are talking about SOCs not about ROMs.

I don't like iOS but still I know the Apple A8 is a beast.

The interest of developers is mostly to gain money, then they will go for the more world wide spread version. I think you have a brain too to think about things yourself.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] gekkehenkie11:
Well CM12 already is. We're working on the very last few small bugs, but it's stable already.

Fair enough. But that other guy said that people who buy snapdragon buy crap. He doesnt seem to see that a lot of people think that Touchwiz is crap and hence will never buy a phone which can only run Touchwiz. So, in a discussion 'snapdragon vs exynos' I think this very important fact needs to be stated. It's the only reason I went to buy my phone in the USA while I live in an Exynos country.

Eh ? While some developers ask for donations (I'm sure they wont make much than a few cups of coffee), others even don't do that. I never asked or got money for my ROM work. I have a good job that pays me way above average so I don't care about donations. I think that goes for the majority of developers. Anyway this IS getting offtopic now ;) So let's leave it at that.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] tmac31:
Well you are working for months but still have buggy cm12. Im sure tw 5.0 for snapdragon better than cm atm. And i wouldnt call tw slow after updates. Its still faster than my 6 plus.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] gekkehenkie11:
"buggy" ... there are only very few and small bugs left, one of the 3 isn't even in Cm12 itself.I'm sure within 3 weeks it will be totally bug free.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] jura55:
The speed of TW is now maybe better than Nexus 6, with lot more functionality ;) so there is no need to install any nonsupported software like CM12 for anyone who owns Note 4. I executed Antutu only twice on my device (getting about 56000+), but I enjoy much more fluid TW and other apps than my friends with snapdragon variant(and as I wrote you before all of them sold their SD Note 4 and bought Exynos variant). But don't cry, Note 4 with snapdragon is still very good phone.....
[Galaxy Note 4 General] gekkehenkie11:
TW more fluid than AOSP :) Hehe that's a good one.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] Lodix:
TW itself is not faster than pure android stock. The Note 4 Exynos opens Apps faster, but the UI will be more fluid in a Nexus devices.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] tmac31:
So you will get stable(it wont be stable but anyway) cm12 1 month later than official tw. Even your old exynos s4 got the update faster...
[Galaxy Note 4 General] gekkehenkie11:
No it's stable already man. It's been for a very long while already. But I'd say it's best to flatten out the last few small bugs till there's nothing left at all and THEN call it a stable milestone release. People can then choose to use that release or try experimental nightlies. I hope I cleared that up now.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] tmac31:
Battery?
[Galaxy Note 4 General] gekkehenkie11:
Outperforming stock already.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] jura55:
More fluid TW on Exynos than TW on Snapdragon....99,9% Note 4 owners will never install AOSP (with one exception - you :D - and you have only one reason to do it - get speed we have with Exynos :D ) and AOSP has only abput half of functionality than TW
[Galaxy Note 4 General] tmac31:
With everything as stock? Cuz like 1-2 release ago it was very bad.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] gekkehenkie11:
Cyanogenmod has 14 million users already, I'm sure most of them on Samsung since that has the worst Android OS there is (far worse than the one from HTC, motorola etc, most people agree on that, except you guys of course)

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Battery has been fixed I think more than a month ago already, it was draining mostly due to NFC holding the phone awake (which used non standard methods, which samsung likes to do a lot). But it's all fixed already and battery life now outperforms stock.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] jura55:
Only 14M? And majority of CM who has Samsung devices use old unsupported devices...there is no need to install CM on Note 4....I have the same speed and lot more functionality with TW.....
[Galaxy Note 4 General] gekkehenkie11:
Haha yeah you're the guy saying TW is more fluent than the Nexus 6 hahaha :laugh:
[Galaxy Note 4 General] jura55:
You know, Nexus 6 is much less fluid than Nexus 5 ok? ;) I know why I wrote Nexus 6.... so HAHAHA
[Galaxy Note 4 General] gekkehenkie11:
I bet you have never even see a Nexus 6 man. TW more fluid, haha that's a good one !
[Galaxy Note 4 General] AndreiLux:
For somebody boasting about AOSP you sure don't seem to know much about Samsung's optimizations, such as the ART improvements, the user-space DVFS services, or for in this instance the simple fact that the stock ROM uses boosts on the scheduler to speed things up in certain situations.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] gekkehenkie11:
LOL samsung improvements ? You mean the bloatware they pre install for you, running processes you can't even uninstall unless you root ? Their interface shill is known to be the most heavy and CPU consuming there exists for android. Happy for you they made some optimisations. It still sucks.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] jura55:
Ok, so why did you buy Samsung device? :D doesn't make sense for me :) I think you are only trolling here
[Galaxy Note 4 General] gekkehenkie11:
After I bought the S4 exynos I swore to never buy a phone again that could only run Touchwiz. But with Snapdragon you have several AOSP rom's to choose from.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] TANKRED_ENDURES:
this thread is going to be closed again :(
[Galaxy Note 4 General] gekkehenkie11:
Why ? No insults have been going on at all. Although we all disagree, it hasn't become nasty at all. Hoping it will stay this way.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] AndreiLux:
The last few pages are the 5th instance where you try to detail this thread with your flames and arguments. 2 weeks ago you were attacking me about benchmarks and boasting how your SD Note 4 got higher scores (54k vs 52k) than KK Exynos users. Now that LL is out on the stock ROM and the numbers reversed (As predicted) you claim that it's not important. Whenever somebody tries to bring up any kind of factual argument you come up with some ridiculous reasoning or just troll back as in the last few posts.

At this point I think this thread should just be closed lest you get a topic ban.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] gekkehenkie11:
Where have I been flaming exactly ? Unlike you I never insult people. You are the only one doing that, not only in this thread but everywhere on this forum you call people who disagree with you 'idiots'. And the only one doing ridiculous reasoning is you. Who cares about some slightly optimized dvfs if you have to run an interface that is SO much more cpu heavy ? How can you seriously even bring that up here ?
[Galaxy Note 4 General] TANKRED_ENDURES:
I own exynos variant and for me worst part is gpu throttling. According to gfxbench snapdragon variant throthles as much as exynos http://gfxbench.com/device.jsp?benc...=Samsung Galaxy Note 4 (Adreno 420, SM-N910x) . Both variants have lower long time performance than my 3 years old nexus 4 lol
[Galaxy Note 4 General] gekkehenkie11:
Thanks your link works now :)
[Galaxy Note 4 General] TANKRED_ENDURES:
if aosp rom have higher throthling temps and therefore have more constant fps than i think snap variant with aosp rom is better for games. For everything else both variants nearly equal
[Galaxy Note 4 General] dondavis007:
If you buy a Samsung phone you'll get TW but after having quite a few different Sammy phones I'll just have to say, there is nothing like an optimized TW. It doesn't really mather if TW technically is nicely optimized if I don't feel the optimization using it ;)

Lollipop is a step up 4 sure and if the djungledrum is correct the next version of TW finally will give the hardware the software it deserves.

Sent by a mobile gadget...
[Galaxy Note 4 General] yahyoh:
lol like people give a **** about AOSP ? enjoy buggy AOSP with buggy CM on your Note 4 :good:
[Galaxy Note 4 General] gekkehenkie11:
lol like people give a **** about buggy, lagging, bloated and slow TW ? Enjoy that slow, lagging and buggy **** on your note 4 :laugh:
[Galaxy Note 4 General] zocster:
Well.... bought my wife the 910U, and now am waiting on the 910G for me... should be here today. The U while it's fast in various areas, I find it lags in others. Let's see what the G brings.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] RISHI RAJ:
Guys chill out,its just a phone which will get outdated or many of us will move on within a month or two.So why such debate.Its just a phone.Both of them have equal performances slightly here or there,doesn't matter.But we are here in xda forever,so please try to maintain cordial relations
[Galaxy Note 4 General] gekkehenkie11:
Actually you're right. The S6 with its 14 nm 7420 will outperform them all this sunday on introduction. Maybe I'll buy it for my girlfriend. But then again, brrrrrr Touchwiz, even if it's not for me ;) But who knows, now that it seems it might be coming only in Exynos, it might actually get some development support !
[Galaxy Note 4 General] willowpc:
Exynos is better than snapdragon, in games, in CPU, in GPU (in practice: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C-Q7Cql_sLo), maybe lose at battery , but ok, end of story.

Yeah, *maybe * we will never receive a AOSP/CyanogenMOD ROM.. but who gives a **** ?

Who wants a AOSP experience buy a nexus 6 or a motorola device, i can easily exchange the milliseconds faster to open an app on AOSP, for the functions, ecosystem, originally, exclusive experiences that touchwiz brings to me.

Who in your mindfulness will exchange:

* Multi Window

* Pen Window

* Smart Stay

* SoundAlive

* Reactivation Lock

* Automatic recommendations

* One Hand Mode

* Side Key Panel

* Adaptive Display

* Private Mode

* Native Call Blocking

* S-Finder

* Quick Connect

* Interview/Meeting Mode on Voice Recorder

* S-Health

* S-Note

* Scrap Book

* Smart Remote

For a fuc*** AOSP clean without any of these functions ? You'll have to download a lot of apps for *emulate' (not quite as good as is on stock) these functions, and a lot of these functions it's impossible to emulate...

Yeah, bought a 700 dollars device to get the same experience/system that you found in a 100~300 dollars device (Moto G, Moto E, Nexus)...

Congratulations, excellente job ;)
[Galaxy Note 4 General] gekkehenkie11:
Haha. I literally wouldnt use ANY of those futures at all. Really, I walked through the list a few times, why the hell would you want any of those Samsung bloatware BS things that consume memory, cause network traffic (and thus wakelocks) and drain your battery ? And same experience with a $100, hmm then please sell me a phone with 2.7 ghz cpu, 3 gb RAM, 5.7 QHD resolution, fast charging, 16MP back, 3.7MP front cam for $100 please, I'd like to buy a few :) Same experience as a $100 phone, that's a good one :D And BTW, adaptive screen is in CM12 available too, but I always have it disabled. As is call blocking, never used it in neither TW as CM but it's available in both. And things like s-health, really ? Can you honestly say you EVER used that ? I never see anybody in the gym using his smartphone to measure his heart rate LOL. S-health was always the first app I'd unbloat on Touchwiz cause the phone functions better without such bloatware.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] ramon2111:
Why buy samsung in the first place if you are not going to use those features
[Galaxy Note 4 General] gekkehenkie11:
Show me an alternative with a screen with the same qualities running AOSP and I'd buy it right NOW and would never look back to samsung :)
[Galaxy Note 4 General] willowpc:
You can buy the Motorola Droid Maxx that brings to you the pure android experience with the same hardware of the note 4 snapdragon variant for much less than you have to pay for the note 4.

Actually, the biggest function of the note line it's his S-pen, with the all functions that came with her ... like multi selection, air view, Photo Note, S-note, 2048 levels of pression, and others. . Change the biggest and greatest feature of the phone for nothing than a poor system that can be found in the exactly same way and color on the most cheapest phones today it's burn money...

What makes a note be a note is the touchwiz, with cyanogem or any another AOSP rom it's just a bigger phone, with no differential, like the Nexus 6, iPhone 6+ and others...

Sorry for anything wrong in the text. . I'm still learning English ;P
[Galaxy Note 4 General] gekkehenkie11:
LOOOOL, you are seriously comparing the Note 4 to the Droid Maxx ?? :laugh: You do realize that thing has a 720p screen, which you are comparing to the 5.7 QHD Super AMOLED of the Note 4 ? :laugh:

I don't care much about the s-pen (I rarely use it), I don't care AT ALL about Touchwiz (I hate that piece of buggy bloatware). But the simple fact is that the Note 4 has THE best screen that is known to mankind at the moment, even beating the Iphone 6. And THAT I do care about. Combine that with 3 gb of RAM and cpu/gpu that are at the top of the field and you have a killer phone. IF it runs AOSP of course ;)
[Galaxy Note 4 General] midreestaj:
I can see all the Snapdragon band wagon crew shifting very soon to Exynos.. I can sense it coming... Most naturally and intrinsically ... until I say the dawn of SD820 which is also, subject to the improvements if that brings any to dominate the Exynos counterpart in future.

We the SOC geeks on this forum are way too relentless in this regard.. There is no staying of the meek here.. the old will get cold eventually. The seeds are planted...
[Galaxy Note 4 General] ipsuvedi:
I read last couple of pages found some of your posts were logical...but now... i realized now you are driving this thread your own way....no respect to Devlopers...no respect to Companies...no respect to Facts..no Respect to innovative features.........respect only for own ego...own facts and own interest.

If You bought Samsung Note 4 and you dont care SPen and other TouchWiz features; then it shows how abnormal you are...and how you are wasting your own (really your own ;) ?) money and new modern features. What you want is:

I want/use iOS on my Htc device ...

I want/use TouchWiz on my iPhone

I want/use Sense ui on Oppo

I want/use Windows on lg G3

I would like to use MotoBlur in my Goophone!

And ...the most interesting is...I WANT/USE AOSP ON NOTE 4 :D ;) :P And i dont care about s pen....modern features....SoC...etc etc....then what do you care???

And who cares what you like or not...!!!
[Galaxy Note 4 General] gekkehenkie11:
This thread went without insults for a good while, but here you go. Messaged the admin, hopefully he'll take care of this. You can disagree with people here, I do that a lot myself, but throwing in childish insults and personal attacks, you might do that at home, but that's just not the way to behave here on XDA. If you can't bring up the decency to discuss like a grown up, better to stay out. Might save you from getting banned.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] ipsuvedi:
LoL

I didnt think that you are so much childish to discuss here. My membership in XDA seems more mature than your childish posts.

Your demands are like child

Your posts are like child

Your facts are like child

Your facts are like child

Your behaviour is like child

And now ...your this threat is also like child. You yourself trolling here...and warning me...??

lol-wa!
[Galaxy Note 4 General] cmd512:
Just put him on ignore like many of us have. He goes into threads just to talk up his useless Google ROMs, even went into the Exynos Perseus thread to do just that. If that's not a sign of compensating for "shortcomings," I don't know what is.

But yeah, agreed, the very thought of him reporting anyone else is laughable at best.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] alex3run:
Okay, let's buy a smartphone for GPU benchmark and ignore its poor gaming performance.

You're a dreamer and all of your proofs are benchmarks. You ignore Gamebench, Youtube videos that are comparing REAL WORLD gaming performance of Mali T760 and Adreno 420.

Mali and PowerVR GPUs have always been better than Adreno.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] SLMI:
I'm sure he meant to Moto Maxx, and man you're like a little child that wants a candy and cries for it all the day, you don't give a f*** about peoples opinions, all you do is crying for cm on note 4, i don't think that you know anything about tech either, if you really want an aosp rom you shouldnt bought the note 4, it's a device for pros, not for child's like you, you could very well bought a nexus 6 or a moto maxx if you desiring aosp so much
[Galaxy Note 4 General] alex3run:
Mali T760MP6 has 72 - 84 Gflops (600 - 700 MHz). You can count it by youself.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] midreestaj:
The performance you have stated for Mali T760 in MP6 is at 300MHz Or a T760 MP4 at 600MHz

In MP6 config it ranges from 122 to 140 GFLOP (600-700 MHz) although it would rarely use 700MHz frequency depending on the game/benchmark etc
[Galaxy Note 4 General] alex3run:
I suppose you're wrong here. ARM clains that Mali T62x/T760 have 17 Gflops/core at 500 MHz, that's 34 Flops/cycle. But 14 of them go from SFUs which usually are not counted. So then we have 20 Flops per cycle from one core and 120 flops from the MP6 variant. And for 600/700 MHz - 72/84 GFlops respectively.

But Gflops don't metter that much.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] midreestaj:
This.... and rest is a recalculation at your end :)
[Galaxy Note 4 General] alex3run:
Not from my end. I just quote Anandtech's thoughts. They already did exploration of Mali Midgard architecture.