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[Galaxy Note 4 General] Lodix:
Review of the LG G Flex 2 from GSMarena.... Very disappointed benchmarks ( they confirmed overheating again ) and poor battery life.

This Snapdragon 810 is meh.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] willowpc:
Looks like that the "better" GPU on Snapdragon isn't better as stated, the Mali 760 + Exynos 5433 massacred the Moto Droid Turbo ( Snapdragon 805 + Adreno 420) in performance while gaming.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C-Q7Cql_sLo (PT-BR language, but the important it's the numbers (FPS))
[Galaxy Note 4 General] -Sweeper_:
If the Galaxy Tab S 2 does ship with Exynos 5433 I bet they will enable 64-bit (and don't forget past evidence). Samsung is not dumb enough to gimp their $400-500 premium tablets while Google has a 64-bit capable Nexus 9 in the market for months now.

:good: This just proves that synthethic graphics benchmarks dont necessarily translate to gaming performance. Bragging about minor differences after a single run with cold/cool phones is just stupid. I already expected Exynos to destroy S805 @ GTA San Andreas but the difference in other games surprised me, not only higher but much more stable framerates.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] megatooth:
Maybe the skillful devs of our community will port the entire software using 64bit on our Exynos Note 4. :D
[Galaxy Note 4 General] katamari201:
Buy whichever is cheaper and supports your desired 3G and LTE bands. The difference isn't worth the money.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] AndreiLux:
http://www.playwares.com/xe/44461687

Battery life tests. Nice results.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] TechAnimal:
Look a bit disappointing to me....
[Galaxy Note 4 General] tornado6:
Whatever chip that has the most developer support
[Galaxy Note 4 General] EP2008:
Not good at all... note 2 and 3 seem to beat it in several tests. I thought Sammy said it would be better than the a note 3 .[emoji21]
[Galaxy Note 4 General] Pako7:
Nice? Lifetime - not very. Perhaps with further firmware will be better
[Galaxy Note 4 General] SAVVAS.:
The battery life is quite better in my eyes. Yes it has slighty lower results in video but 12 hrs is super even more considered the higher quality/resolution display. Gaming still very close to Note 3, again not big deal as gaming is a killer and secondary task. The most valuable IMO is the web browsing results in which Note 4 showed a huge mprovement! All considered I think the battery of Note 4 is better at least where it counts!
[Galaxy Note 4 General] Pako7:
I'm afraid to see the results of which will be on the Snap-processor :D
[Galaxy Note 4 General] SAVVAS.:
If you are afraid that SD will have better results then me too:rolleyes: However I think in web browsing Exynos will win that test and lose in Gaming/Viseo tests.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] Pako7:
not.. i think that SD will have worse ;) web & gaming
[Galaxy Note 4 General] sorg:
SD805 uses outdated 28nm tech-process, while 5433 uses 20nm. So, 5433 can be colder and more battery saving. Probably graphics of 5433 will be faster than SD805 as well. What i'm worrying is absence of Anisotropic filter in all previous Mali chips (or at least drivers) making some game look not well (especially roads in racing games).
[Galaxy Note 4 General] :
it has just a slightly better battery then the note 3, but it's resolution is double or more then on the previous notes.

I don't get why they're going for QHD, i've read that you can't even spot the difference after a certain number of PPI, and the extrea pixles just make the overall battery time suffer
[Galaxy Note 4 General] DirtyUsb_Port:
But then we won't strain our eyes and they will adapt to receive and process more data
[Galaxy Note 4 General] *Emix*:
Galaxy S5 (FHD) and Galaxy S5 LTE-A (2K) have almost identical battery results.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] :
I don't really have the time atm to search for articles etc, but it's kinda known that higher resolution means more battery use.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] *Emix*:
Well not in this case.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] Lodix:
You need more power to move them, but if you have an Adreno 420 which is 40% faster than the 330 with a 20% less power...
[Galaxy Note 4 General] jarylw:
That's not what is reflected on their site. They probably pulled a copy and paste or something?

http://www.28mobile.com/collections/mobile-phones/products/samsung-galaxy-note-4
[Galaxy Note 4 General] Lodix:
For that reason i asked them by email. The russian version which is the N910C ( the model they are selling ) has this bands so I wanted to make sure before buying it.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] hung2900:
No. Actually Note 4's screen is more power efficient than Note 3.

http://www.displaymate.com/Galaxy_Note4_ShootOut_1.htm
[Galaxy Note 4 General] Darkangels6sic6:
Why? Well in that case why should we expect the 16mp camera to take 16mp shots or record 4k? Why should we expect the display to show QHD content or reach 750nits? Why expect it to get on the ineternet or make calls?

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The Adreno 420 is capable of producing better graphics than the MaliT760 MP6@700MHz in the Exynos 5433, but throttles quick. It's only bursts of better. And it's only about 5% better. But then it drops. The Exynos 5433 provides very stable and consistent graphics with much less throttle and heat. Plus has about a 15-20% lead in CPU....if I got that right.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] iba21:
So.. you want it only because phone can do it..

Phone has a battery.. so it can explode.. do you want it explodes too? ;)
[Galaxy Note 4 General] Darkangels6sic6:
Cute attempt, but the point I made stands. The things I listed are the beneficial potentials of what the device offers.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] iba21:
Are you sure 64bit will offer benefits and not malus?
[Galaxy Note 4 General] SLMI:
Man [MENTION=3604114]Darkangels6sic6[/MENTION] is right, 64 bit about potential, if i have that feature built in why wouldn't i use it or why wouldn't i want especially if it's a good thing like this, on the technical side i don't care about large number registers or lower Javascript benchmark scores, i care about restrictions, 64 bit is a beneficial right on that chip an people want that right
[Galaxy Note 4 General] Darkangels6sic6:
Of course there are some draw backs too. Same could be said about most aspects and tech.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] tmac31:
Its not about cpu and not about throttling too. Cpu doesnt really worth alot in games. Exynos mostly use a53 cores only for games. So cpu difference doesnt mean anything.

And problem isnt throttling too cuz if you just start game and play few seconds mali still outperform adreno. Its always been like this. Adreno gpus always had driver problems so mali gpus had advantage in games. And raw power difference is very very little too.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] Darkangels6sic6:
I never said or implied it was about CPU. Just added that factor in at the end. Al though bringing it up CPU does have a little to do with the gaming.

And throttling definitely plays into things. Though its nice to hear it's not just due to throttling.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] midreestaj:
Exynos 5433 has been caught red handed using all of its 8 cores while playing Asphalt 8 (see below) and also EA RR3.

I think BIG little reference has something to do with cpu to keep up performance of graphics

http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=58709458

Although its true that in real time gaming performance Mali-760 surpasses Adreno 420
[Galaxy Note 4 General] tmac31:
When i got the phone ( 4 months ago) i checked with cpu monitor. On rr3 a57 cores were on 700 mhz( its off frequency) and a53 cores were on 1.2 or something. Dunno did later updates change anything about it.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] POLO_i780:
You're not making any sort of sense. Those are features that are clearly beneficial VS. something that will barely change how the phone runs, unless the Note 4 had 4GB RAM and EVERY Android app was fully capable of taking full advantage of the 64bit support, your argument is rather weak, even if Samsung did enable 64bit I can guarantee complete disappoint around here once people realise how little the benefits are AT THIS POINT in time.

In the end Samsung want to keep S805 and Exynos as similar as possible, there is no point in asking when 64bit will arrive, you want 64bit? Wait for the Galaxy S6 or get an iPhone, Samsung never did promise 64bit.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] tmac31:
S805 and exynos are very different. 64 bit will be smallest difference between them if samsung enable it.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] gekkehenkie11:
Finally someone with sense here. 64 biggest advantage is being able to address more than 4 gb. Apart from that one could argue that 64 bit has the advantage of more registers. And yes of course in some calculations it can perform a bit better. However there are tons of real world examples where 64 bit actually performs WORSE than 32 bit. For example see: http://www.osnews.com/story/5768/Are_64-bit_Binaries_Really_Slower_than_32-bit_Binaries_/page3/

I'm sure that if samsung would enable it, a lot of people here would be disappointed. But it's not going to happen anyway :)
[Galaxy Note 4 General] Darkangels6sic6:
That's cute.....So it's 16mp shots are supremely beneficial compared to 12?

It's 750nits is supremely beneficial compared to 650-700?

What if it's OIS was disabled?

Who said it would offer mountains of improvement or that it was immediate drastic results and that nobody wanted the more future proofing of it as 64bit content progressed?

And if you don't care about the semi improved performance of 64bit why even be in a thread to discuss the semi better performance of which chip?

Why even have the Exynos then? Its not worlds better. Just better.

Please have a more logical, less bias, and less replying to hear yourself reply if you are going to reply again.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] jdomadia:
(In the end Samsung want to keep S805 and Exynos as similar as possible) note 3 exynos don't have 4k recording & sd800 note 3 has, very noticeable difference & attractive feture but sammy did this why not 64bit for exynos, i don't want to argue how much useful 64bit, but not agree with your point to keep both sd & exynos same they will not implement 64bit.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] POLO_i780:
I'm talking about the phones overall...

You used the word cute in the wrong context and go on to use extreme examples to try make your point, I suggest you take your own nonsensical advice:

Exactly. If they did enable it this thread would be full of moaning over how little of a difference it makes, XDA can be funny in that way. Look at the Lollipop update, people complained that Samsung were taking too long and were updating the Note 3 1st, then we got 5.0.1 and now people are moaning endlessly about the update, lol.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] Darkangels6sic6:
Thanks for that. Another cute and failed attempt of trying to contradict the facts to favor your own opinion in denial. So much for a logical reply. Have fun with all that. I'll still be here if or when you have something factual and mature to say.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] tmac31:
So they are similar on 32 bit but different on 64 bit? They are just different. there are bigger differences between them 64 bit will just add a little thing if it happen.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] iba21:
More registers are not depended of the 64bit but the new architecture.. you still use more registers in armv8 than armv7 even if you use 32bit code..

The big advantages of 64bit is in double precision calculation, less cicle to calculate the same results..

For the rest..
[Galaxy Note 4 General] POLO_i780:
No, you shouldn't be here, you should be at school, learning what words to use in what context as well as the difference between your opinion and an actual fact, you seem to be confusing the two.

Ciao! :)

I'm talking about the phones OVERALL, they have the same Camera sensor, same Display, same build, same features, Samsung are keeping them as similar as possible, that is what I am saying.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] gekkehenkie11:
This is XDA where people push their nonsense onto forums like they are actually facts :) Like Andrei always says when this happens: "Where did you get this nonsense from" ? ;) Since 64 bits doubles the address size and the cpu is backwards compatible (can run 32 bit code), it MUST double the number of registers. A good explanation of this can be found here: http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/X86_As...gisters_.28GPR.29_-_32-bit_naming_conventions

Since more registers means that more data can stay inside the CPU, there's less time needed to fetch data and push/pull stuff on the CPU stack, which takes time. That's the biggest reason of the performance improvement you can see in some situations: it can be thought of a sort of super fast cache.

Double precision calculation on the other hand only yields advantage in some specific applications: 95% of the apps will NEVER even use it. In fact, In all the programming I've done I can count the number of times I needed 64 bit data on 1 hand (well kind of) ;) But more registers pretty much every program could take advantage of. Just disassemble a 32 bit x86 program and see the amount of pushes/pulls of the stack because more than 4 variables are used in a function.

However, again, this doesn't actually mean you will get better results. Like I said, most programs don't even do 64 bit calcs. Then, a lot of time the amount of registers WAS enough already ! And if this becomes the case, the results most probably will be WORSE, because of the bigger amount of mem needed and more time spent accessing RAM (more frequent cache misses). So this explains what I showed before: that in some situations it can equal an improvement, in other cases 32 bit will actually be faster. It depends on a whole lot of stuff. In the end, on average you won't notice much improvement.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] tmac31:
Yes but 64 bit isnt just random feature. It comes from soc like last year 4k record was only for snapdragon. They are already very different on soc. 32 bit or 64 bit it doesnt change anything. Exynos still has all armv8 feautes if a snapdragon user doesnt care atm he still wont care about it. Samsung doesnt have to keep them same cuz they arent same already.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] iba21:
The main problem is.. there are a little number of persons who understand what you wrote..

It was faster to write "in increses double precision speedness" so normal people can be happy since there is a boost in some condictions witch they don't know what are..

anyway good explanation ;)
[Galaxy Note 4 General] Schrotty35:
I have sell my 910f and buy a 910c and the 910c are smoother. But the camera on 910f are better. On 910c the camera is to bright. With camera fv5 the pictures a darker and a little better but not optimal. I use Wanam 1.6 rom.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] naokilla:
Nothing wrong with snapdragon here
[Galaxy Note 4 General] arayoflight:
Let me say something here:

ANTUTU SCORES DON'T MATTER.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] naokilla:
Enlighten me...as your opinion is vague
[Galaxy Note 4 General] Lodix:
Antutu is almost useless as a benchmark.

And the Exynos has better scores in Antutu anyway.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] gekkehenkie11:
LOL, don't expect a valid answer other than what you just saw: 'it's useless' (yeah sure) or 'because scores are different between versions' (while everybody uses the latest version so who cares). It's because there are a lot of Exynos fanboys in here who don't like benchmarks where the snapdragon and exynos come out about the same (getting 54k myself on my 910F/CM12).
[Galaxy Note 4 General] alex3run:
You want to say that Antutu reflects real world performance? Who is fanboy then? :D

Anyway if that was true then Mediatek should be more powerful than Exynos 5433 (and off course Snapdragon 805). Do you belive that?
[Galaxy Note 4 General] Darkangels6sic6:
You are right and wrong. It does seem to give more variable results. And there are also many exynos bashers here.

Plus Cyanogenmod results are an entirely different story. And speaking of mods are another reason scores vary. Though that would obviously apply to more than antutu
[Galaxy Note 4 General] gekkehenkie11:
A benchmark that tries to reflect real world perfomance as accurately as possible, by measuring in game fps rates, nand speeds, mem speed and cpu performance, all together, ehm... why wouldn't that reflect 'real world performance' ? And what should it test exactly then in your opinion to get closer to testing 'real world performance' ?
[Galaxy Note 4 General] tmac31:
I remember i was getting half score with cm and getting way faster speed than a tw rom in old days. Antutu reflects just nothing. And according to antutu s805 better than s810...
[Galaxy Note 4 General] Toss3:
Yup tries and more often than not fails. Run gamebench, or do a simple high fps video of both side by side to see how they perform (for software). There is not question about the fact that the 5433 is the better SoC, even compared to the s810.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] gekkehenkie11:
In most gaming benchmark the Adreno comes out ahead.

Sure mate. Every benchmark where the 805 comes out ahead or equal is just wrong. Life can actually be that simple, right ?
[Galaxy Note 4 General] tmac31:
There isnt any gaming benchmark instead gamebench.others just test gpu for different scenarios it doesnt mean anything about games.

And there isnt any benchmark(instead of gpu tests) s805 pass exynos including antutu even with cm
[Galaxy Note 4 General] gekkehenkie11:
Gpu is part of the SoC isn't it?
[Galaxy Note 4 General] Toss3:
Not every benchmark is reliable. And the s805 is architecturally inferior in almost every way to the Exynos 5433, as has been proven by a plethora of people who actually know what is what when it comes to SoCs (Adrei being that person here on XDA). You cannot argue that an older architecture would be better just because your tweaked and pimped out rom scores a little higher in certain benchmarks. The A8 is still the best SoC, yet it doesn't out bench every other SoC out there.

Also care to quote those gaming benchmarks?
[Galaxy Note 4 General] gekkehenkie11:
Hehe yeah Andrei is more important than antutu and fps are not important. You are right how silly of me to think otherwise. Sorry.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] tmac31:
Yes i didnt say anything about adreno. And i didnt say lets forget gpu. All I said gpu benchmarks cant show real world gaming performance..

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Like i said antutu shows s805 is better than s810. And cuz you love antutu more exynos stock can get over 55k on antutu after 5.0 update you gotta tweak more on cm
[Galaxy Note 4 General] gekkehenkie11:
What's the difference between a demo of a game, like Antutu runs, and 'real world gaming' then ?

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I didn't even tweak anything, I'm sure I can get to 57k with overclocking & temp tweaking although I might have to put the phone in my refrigerator while running the test LOL. But seriously, 54k is untweaked performance. Most benchmarks I've seen from exynos get to 52k-ish.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] tmac31:
Dunno ask game developers and say why adreno 420 is better but mali t760 delivers way better fps in games. I dont care about it. Talk gameloft and ask why adreno 420 gives 30-40 fps on asphalt 8 and mali t760 gives 60 fps they will have the proper explanation for it not me.

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Nope i constantly get 55k after 5.0 i was getting 53500 or something with kitkat too.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] gekkehenkie11:
If every 3d test/game would have the same results, then why do you think people have developed different tests ? Of course in one game this cpu/gpu can come out ahead and in the other the other. Testing something is really complicated and depends on so many different factors. I could easily design a *CPU* test that would be hugely in favour of the 805, simply cause clockspeed is 2x higher. It really depends: what do you test ?

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Damn, that's SO much better than 54k. I'm going to sell my Snapdragon now I want that 3.5% more :)
[Galaxy Note 4 General] tmac31:
Yes true but asphalt 8 was just an example. All games run with higher fps on mali. Its about driver and compatibility problems of adreno. And its just not about adreno 420 is being new or something else all older adrenos had same problems.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] gekkehenkie11:
The GPU in exynos is known not to be as good as snapdragon, that has always been the historical fact. This time they've come close, but Snapdragon is still the gpu winner. gpu intensive gaming thus will come out ahead.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] tmac31:
Like i said i dont give a **** about antutu. I dont care about all in 1 benchmarks they are just fail. And i said im writing cuz you love it. And im writing again your scores better than s810 it just shows how fail is antutu.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] gekkehenkie11:
And I dont give a **** about Asphalt, so we can give each other the hand there :)
[Galaxy Note 4 General] tmac31:
Nope sorry about that. Gpu on adrenos known to be good cuz it gets better benchmark scores and people just cAre about benhcmarks. Note 3 exynos had half scores of s800 note 3 in gpu scores. It was still outperforming adreno in games.(i have both version of note 3)
[Galaxy Note 4 General] gekkehenkie11:
LOL in your dreams. The majority of the gpu benchmarks show Adreno as the clear winner.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] Lodix:
Every single game performs better in the Exynos, someone posted a video some days ago that compared Adreno 420 and MaliT760 side by side n different games.

And what is the point of a benchmark that changes the scores a device by thousands just because an update, normal conditions, software, etc etc....

It is not SOC benchmark. If you want to know the power of a SOC you have to do different benchmarks of specifics part as CPU, GPU, Band, etc.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] tmac31:
Sure lets go with san andreas. mc5 or something else i dont care its the truth and always been like this.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] gekkehenkie11:
Here snapdragon comes out ahead quite often: http://wccftech.com/galaxy-note-4-snapdragon-vs-exynos/

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So your conclusion is: gpu benchmarks are all just stupid, it's non important and every review that has ever been written testing gpu performance is totally irrelevant and wrong, even the benchmark that run actually 3d tests, cause ... you know once it's not a game but a fps demo it's irrelevant :laugh: . That's an 'interesting' perspective :laugh:
[Galaxy Note 4 General] tmac31:
Haha sure. Keep thinking that.

I always use 2 phones.in last years.

S3 and nexus 4. Both 720p In benchmarks mali400 just sucks adreno 320 just blows it but mali400 still outperforms it in games.

S800 note 3 and exynos note3 both 1080p. Adreno 330 way better in benchmarks mali again outperforms it in games.

This year mali t760 and adreno 420 is pretty much neck to neck in benchmarks and mali again outperforms adreno in games.

Gpu benchmarks show raw power of gpu but it doesnt mean powerful gpu should run games better. Its same in pc world too. Nvidia has better compatibility than amd.

And why would i care about a benchmark if i can test games myself? What can i do with gpu other than games they are best benchmarks for a gpu. Why should i care about fill rate of gpu or triangle output etc if its better in real world.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] gekkehenkie11:
So antutu is wrong and gfx benchmarks are wrong too.and exynos is simply the best. Sorry for thinking otherwise. I wonder how it is when snapdragon gets to test lollipop 5.1 beginning of March. When you guys have it in July too, we can do some new tests : till then!
[Galaxy Note 4 General] tmac31:
Nope just antutu sucks. Gpu benchmarks just test gpu not gaming performance. its different. And cm is still buggy and on alpha if im not wrong. But proper 5.0 out from samsung. Even for older devices too.