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[Galaxy Note 4 General] gekkehenkie11:
He said, probably to troll, that the s805 was 'old cpu hardware', so I said, it's quite weird then that that old hardware is capable of beating the Exynos when it comes to gfx. It's the same chip.

Anyway, as much as I really love (but not really) spending time on forums bickering with people about who has the best SoC, I'm out of here. I bought my Note 4 for custom ROM modding and that's where I'm going to spend my time, I find that a lot more fruitful. I hate touchwiz so my mission is to make CM12 run flawless on the Snapdragon and flatten any bugs that surely will arise.

Everybody that's going to continue bickering here about their SoC's: enjoy.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] POLO_i780:
Well said.

End of the day Samsung are going to treat these phones exactly the same, and with Google using the S805 in the Nexus 6, that tells us that 64bit still is not a big deal in Android, and probably won't be until this time next year.

The Nexus 6 was announced the same nite I was getting my Note 4, when I heard about the SoC it had I pretty much stopped caring which variant I got while sitting through the Samsung presentation & launch.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] Okarina26:
i don,t think snapdragon,s adreno 420 is better ..!!!!! NO OVERCLOCKING YET...!!!
[Galaxy Note 4 General] Lodix:
Well indeed the kraits CPU have some time in the market.

Again... you talk about CPU and then you say that Snapdragon "beats" Exynos in GFXbench which is a GPU test...

Please read the post of [MENTION=277817]sweeper[/MENTION] :P
[Galaxy Note 4 General] coldfever94:
55k wow... I would consider myself very lucky if I get 49k when I get 49k its like 49020 49045, otherwise its always lower. How did you get that without overclocking ? Did you use a custom rom without bloatware and stuff ? This is similar score to the guy who is making ultimate kernal who overclocked.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] AndreiLux:
Ignore him. He's clearly a troll or severely lacks reading comprehension, that was clear from the discussion yesterday.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] Okarina26:
sweet rom debloated and performance governor and a cool device..:cowboy:
[Galaxy Note 4 General] Lodix:
Haha... I see.

Are you gonna make a deep review of the Exynos as you did with the kirin soc ?? :P
[Galaxy Note 4 General] AndreiLux:
Working on it.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] McMackson:
Someone said there are different "quality" versions of Exynos. For example, some come equipped with a better AMOLED scene (no color shift). Is this true in any way?

Also, what are the chances the Exynos get 64bit enabled later? Something tells me that only the Korean Exynos version might get it?
[Galaxy Note 4 General] alex3run:
Your comment on the results of 3DMark for Exynos 5433 vs snapdragon 805? Exynos performs there a bit better and that doesn't prove your words about superior GPU in Snapdragon.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] AndreiLux:
Hrm I'll do a comparison with the review unit we got back in October. That'd be interesting if that's the case. This version I got has better colour shifts than my S4, so I don't see this problem people are reporting?

If they switch to an ARMv8 kernel, they'll do it on all units. But I still haven't seen evidence of this being worked on.

Edit:

This is my unit.

[YOUTUBE]Y0WtL2Ycdi4[/YOUTUBE]

I see what people mean by colour-shift, but this is no worse than any other AMOLED in the past.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] McMackson:
Thanks. Yeah, I guess it could just be individual imperfections among the screens.

Seems a difficult choice, this. The Exynos vs. Snapdragon...
[Galaxy Note 4 General] iba21:
[MENTION=4167023]AndreiLux[/MENTION] do you like this new chip?? :D
[Galaxy Note 4 General] ernani:
Althoutgh the discussion on this thread convinced me about 20-30 pages ago to go for the Exynos, now I'm having second thoughts... I'm mostly concerned about the support by the developers community regarding the Exynos variant. Granted that there already are 4 tw custom roms by acclaimed developers of the xda forums, and some kernel ports (e.g. Adam's kernel, also we are crossing our fingers for Perseus :) ), but I can't be sure if after the transition to Lollipop, with all the difficulties that this will entail for the developers (e.g. rooting, xposed framework which is doubtful if it can be supported, etc.), we will continue to have custom tw roms, mods (most of which are based on xposed) or even be able to *root* our phones.

The deadline I had given myself for choosing and actually ordering my Note 4 expires tomorrow, and now I'm more undecided about which of the two to choose than ever. Please HELP!!!
[Galaxy Note 4 General] SirCanealot:
I've seen a crapload of AMOLED units working in a shop the last 4 years and simply some of them have colour shift and some of them don't. I think I've played with 2 or 3 note 4s in my shop and one had really bad colour shift and one didn't.

I had to return an S3 due to really bad colour shift, but I was quite lucky with my Note 2 and 3. My Note 3 colour shifts slightly, but not badly.

It's really luck of the draw, though it does seem to be getting slightly better with each generation if you look at the over all picture.

Edit: I would look towards ordering the Exynos version after Christmas from somewhere, but the screen lottery is really putting me off. Seems much better for me to get a cheap Snapdragon model from my shop when they get cheaper where I can inspect the screen, but in that case I may as well stay with my Note 3 as I'm pretty happy with it (my screen is very good) apart from all the basic issues of the Snapdragon platform. Decisions, decisions. Oh well, I'm skint anyway ¬_¬
[Galaxy Note 4 General] AndreiLux:
Might as well wait for the S6.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] JunaidZaka:
I'm in the same boat too. Hardest decision of my life !! lol
[Galaxy Note 4 General] ernani:
The thing is that my boat is starting to... sink :) . I have to submit my order within the next couple of days (if not tomorrow), because I promised to do it to some friends of mine who also want to order their phones asap, and I *have* to do the purchase (we thought that the more phones we order the bigger discount we might get). But now I'm stuck! I was a huge iPhone fan, but I turned to Android because I wanted the freedom to tweak my device whenever and however I wanted. But I fear that this dream might turn into a... nightmare with N910C and Lollipop.

Can any developer promise that they will continue to share their love and attention to us poor, non-dev Note 4 Exynos users from the next firmware on? Anyone? AndreiLux? Wanam? Not-i? Pleeeeeease :D
[Galaxy Note 4 General] SirCanealot:
Waaay too small ;)

And then I'm waiting a few months till prices come down on anything anyway. My shop is selling s5s for £300-400 already, haha.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] dazed1:
Can anyone which has precise information answer me a few tehnical questions?

1. Are this phones exactly the same other then the chipset?

2. Same antenna/modems? (signal strength)

3. Same display?

4. Same DAC?

5. Same build quality?

6. Same wi fi/LTE support AC and all that stuff?

7. Same 3x microphones which recording in stereo?

8. S805 should be better in camera processing right? or they have same ISP quality?

9. Same memory transfer?

Sorry but i really got no time to read the whole thread.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] cmd512:
You guys are really confusing the issue. The choice is quite simple:

1) If you prefer to have a million custom ROMs to choose from, then get the Snapdragon. However, be aware that 99% off the customizations that these ROMs offer can be achieved now with Xposed, thus reducing their necessity vs a few years ago.

(If you buy into the Google ROM argument, then Snapdragon is the easier route as well. However, keep in mind you lose a ton of functionality that is built into the Samsung ROMs nowadays, which I personally find is not worth it.)

2) If you prefer to have full control of your device hardware, go Exynos as it will have the best kernel around period in Perseus. (I've tried all the Snapdragon kernels for the US S4, nothing comes close.)

As you can see from the many folks that have donated to the Note 4 Exynos Perseus cause, there are plenty of us that prefer to have full functionality of our device hardware + having the better hardware in Exynos. At this point in time, the whole custom ROM appeal is diminishing. As a point of reference, look at the most popular ROMs from Exynos S4 land, they were Wanamlite and now Uncharted (basically stripped down versions of stock Samsung ROMs and nothing more). With Xposed, I don't need a million gimmicky custom ROMs with flashy names. I just need a stock Samsung ROM stripped of the junk (ie, Knox), and I can customize it how I wish with Xposed.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] dazed1:
Xposed can't add coding and app support sadly, custom roms are not everything, the issue is that 80% of the apps are coded for Snapdragon cpu/gpu's they have so much more support its not even funny.

Also, does this phones have same NAND?
[Galaxy Note 4 General] cmd512:
80% of WHAT apps, exactly? I use nearly all of the big custom apps on my Exynos S4 with Uncharted ROM (again, stripped down stock ROM) and Xposed with no issues.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] dazed1:
Everything, from browsers, java, to chat apps....its same like FX8350 vs i5, FX8350 should utterly destroy the i5, but it does not because it does not have proper development support, it can be on pair or better only in apps which was developed for it, and has proper multi core support. Snapdragon is a superior architecture.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] cmd512:
You're kidding, right? What "superior" browser, chat apps, etc am I missing out on? Please quantify these claims.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] dazed1:
I got no time to explain things any further, you know exactly that i'm talking about, EVERYTHING is developed/optimized ideally for Qualcomm first, then Exynos and other chipsets, be real and admit it. In few years they might get equal, but right no there is no WAY Exynos is on pair with Snapdragon regarding apps development/ support.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] cmd512:
You are talking out of your ass, which is why you can't quantify it. There are a million browser options out there, and after messing with all of them, I still go back to Chrome Beta. You're telling me yet another custom browser is more important direct hardware control of your Wolfson audio chip, or direct kernel level color adjustment of your OLED screen? Give me a break with yet another weakass Snapdragon argument.

(I don't have a clue as to what superior Snapdragon chat app you're referring to, I use LINE, Whatsapp, and WeChat to keep in touch with friends and colleagues around the world just fine with my Exynos device, hilarious.)

I'm all for discussing this realistically, but either back up your statements or stfu.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] yahyoh:
wut o.O
[Galaxy Note 4 General] cmd512:
This is what desperation looks like. I'm all for laying out the benefits for each option, but when you start talking nonsense out of your ass for your preferred chipset, it doesn't help your cause.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] dazed1:
Sorry i'm done with talking about the same stuff like 3 times in a row, its enough. If someoone can please answer my previous page questions i would be thankful.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] cmd512:
You've spewed nonsense 3 times in a row. As for your questions, we've covered them more than 3 times already in here, so feel free to read the thread.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] yahyoh:
seems you don't know what you are talking about
[Galaxy Note 4 General] dazed1:
http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=56804289&postcount=1209

Look at the last paragraph.

---------- Post added at 08:22 PM ---------- Previous post was at 08:21 PM ----------

ok.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] Log[]:
Qualcomm delivers a sdk to improve the performance of some games. Its fact that most phones have a snapdragon soc. Bu its also fact that the eyynos cpu is mor capable. So its upt to you to decide. I got the snapdragen because i have ni othwr option.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] cmd512:
This thread doesn't exist to educate those who clearly don't know what their talking about AND too lazy to read up to educate themselves. You could do yourself a great service by reading up on this thread so that you may at one point add something valuable to the conversation.

---------- Post added at 01:25 PM ---------- Previous post was at 01:24 PM ----------

Lol, it's sad really.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] dazed1:
Sorry i didn't realize your justifying purchase can hurt your ego so much, it won't happen again i promise.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] cmd512:
Not at all, it's just amusing when the other side is so desperate to throw out what can only amount as bull**** as argument. Like I said to all the other Snapdragon apologists, please continue as it only serves to embarrass your cause.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] Log[]:
Cmd really you only *****ing in this thread without any knowledge. You remind me of those apple hardcore fans.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] cmd512:
Sure, I've had every Galaxy device since the S1, and this is your 18th post on the forums. You're one to talk about "knowledge," laughable.

Let me guess, one of the butthurt Snapdragon users posted this link in one of the forums so all you idiots could come in and add absolutely nothing to the conversation?
[Galaxy Note 4 General] dazed1:
You can have 29863 Galaxy devices, that doesn't change a single thing, when you measure app launch speed, cpu cycles used, core efficiency, battery drain, read/write I/O, signal strength - compared vs Exynos variant then we can talk, till then keep your nasty insults for your self.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] cmd512:
You really are talking out of your ass now, especially when there has been no discernible difference in battery life in all control tests so far. Talk about spewing nonsense, please stop when you're already way behind.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] tmac31:
quallcomm doesnt even know its superior too. and switching to arm based a57/a53 big little for s810. this thread is becoming a joke realy. it should be closed. and cmd512 please stop fighting with every1 it makes this thread more ridiciolous
[Galaxy Note 4 General] SLMI:
Will you going to release your deep exynos chip review article on the AnandTech or not ???
[Galaxy Note 4 General] Log[]:
Show me a battery comparison with idle time and so on please?
[Galaxy Note 4 General] ernani:
I agree with you. That's why I already mentioned that by xposed framework's own creator, its port to Lollipop won't be an easy task, and if successful, might take some time. Until then, there won't be any customization achievable via xposed, and most probably the majority of custom TW ROMs out there will have to find other ways to port their mods.

Once again you're right. And to be honest I wouldn't prefer for the time being an AOSP ROM over a TW one, simply because, as you said, one cannot expect to support all the hardware Note has (its pen for starters). On the other hand, I would consider running an AOSP ROM say in a couple of years from now (if I end up having the same phone), simply because I don't expect Samsung to keep releasing updates for ever, or if Samsung introduces more KNOX-like garbage which will make rooting - modding impossible. If I'm not mistaken, from experience, their update window lasts about 1.5-2 years since every device's release.

If this is a fact and we can be sure about having Perseus around for the upcoming Android releases and Samsung firmwares, that would be great - that's what I was asking (partly :) )
[Galaxy Note 4 General] cmd512:
Excellent point, if the Snapdragon architecture as it stands today was so wonderful and efficient, they wouldn't be going to a BIG.little setup just like the Exynos for the 810.

And, I had no intentions of fighting with the aforementioned simpleton, I actually thought he had a point about there being some niche set of superior, Snapdragon only apps. Again, I was sorely disappointed with the spewed nonsense. (Note my responses were cordial until I realized he was talking out of his ass.)

---------- Post added at 01:55 PM ---------- Previous post was at 01:53 PM ----------

The first level-headed, fair response, thanks for that. And I agree with everything you said, Xposed on Lollipop will certainly bring its own set of challenges, but I'm sure that bridge will be crossed when we get there. For the foreseeable future, I think the Xposed support with stock, full featured Samsung ROMs will continue to be excellent.

Oh, and I just noticed you're from the US as well. This is a huge added bonus for me, may be of benefit to you as well: Up until the S4, all Exynos devices would not support US LTE bands. Based on the supported LTE bands on paper, the Note 4 Exynos will be the first Exynos device to have full LTE functionality in the US, which is another added bonus.

(This also speaks to the superiority of the Perseus kernel and the features it unlocks: I ended up choosing the Exynos S4 over the US AT&T S4 because of the features it offered even if it meant I lost LTE speeds.)
[Galaxy Note 4 General] POLO_i780:
Snapdragon users/future users who want an awesome TW based ROM here you go along with a debloating tool, same guy that transferred Note 3 features to Note 2:

http://www.xdaforums.com/note-4/snapdragon-dev/n910f-custom-rom-t2941006

Awesome times have arrived :D enjoy!
[Galaxy Note 4 General] yahyoh:
WOW dude u really need to stop u are just talking BS without any evidence

1- Snapdragon 805 is just improved Snapdragon S4 ( yeah 2 years old tech ) while Exynos 5433 is totally new SoC which based on A57/A53

2 - snapdragon still running on hotplugging = micro lags and stuttering while Exynos using power gating which is newer tech and much more efficient and without any micro lags

3- Exynos 5433 still running on arm-v7 and its its faster than Snapdragon 805 and u cant deny it , imagine if its running on arm-v8 and aarch64 it would be even better and maybe faster

4-Snapdragon built with 28nm tech while Exynos 5433 built with 20nm tech

and BTW

[YOUTUBE]83Hkb3FAncc[/YOUTUBE]

[YOUTUBE]GcLeYRZDkTE[/YOUTUBE]

note 4 with Exynos opens every single app faster and it overheat and throttle way less than snapdragon 805 and battery consumption about the same
[Galaxy Note 4 General] BarryH_GEG:
Question. What's more important with today's QHD displays and more graphics intensive apps? The CPU or GPU? The most fascinating thing about this thread (other than the completely random subjective opinions expressed as fact) is that people pick and choose data to make the point they want while disregarding anything that doesn't support it.

Adreno 440 is as modern and capable as Mali T-760. And Adreno 440 will be in a hell of a lot more devices than Mali T-760 most likely leading to developers optimizing for it. In the past, when Snapdragon/Adreno was in vogue, some of the very people in this thread pissed on big.LITTLE, Exynos, and Mali/PowerVR in comparison.

There's been some good reasons listed (AOSP potential on S-805, Perseus on 5433, some low-level features offered in 5433) for picking one over the other but, at the end of the day, for most people most of the time, the performance differences seem negligible. If there were a clear winner this thread would be a lot shorter. But it is one of the more entertaining threads on XDA right now. ;)
[Galaxy Note 4 General] cmd512:
Fair question, but it's a loaded one to be completely honest. I play quite a few 3D games, and they are fairly intensive (Injustice, Madden football, etc). But if I look at an entire day's worth of usage, the CPU is far more important hands down when you consider the amount of time I'm NOT using graphics intensive apps. The overall efficiency of the CPU, smoothness (ie, lack of throttling / microlags), and ability to control all aspects of the hardware with Perseus (memory bus / voltage, CPU voltages, over/under clock, QoS mechanisms, etc), it makes for an easy answer.

Plus, if the heads up videos provided above hold to be true, there is little to no GFX performance difference between the two devices. However, the fact the Snapdragon device constantly overheated during benchmarking and self-throttled also makes the Exynos an even easier decision.

I'd like to see how any of this is "subjective opinions," any other "fair" questions?
[Galaxy Note 4 General] tmac31:
As a long time snapdragon user this "snapdragon is everywhere even on nexus so everything will be optimized for it " stuff started when i bought nexus 4 it had adreno 320 people were omg its the best gpu it owns mali400 on s3. Been 2 years i still have both and s3 still has better gaming performance.

Last year i used note 3 exynos and snapdragon together. I was very sure adreno 330 will beat t628 in everyway it had 2x better gpu benchmark scores but still gaming performance was lower and even 330 is everywhere atm still has worse performance.

I just dunno whats wrong with adreno performance in games but it didnt act like its owns in gpu benchmarks. Probably about drivers i dont know. Its been like 2 years im using adreno and mali gpu powered phones together i never seen better gaming performance in real life.

Without games its just no difference. And people just need to pick whatever they want realy no point on arguing.

Ps:adreno 440?
[Galaxy Note 4 General] SirCanealot:
Err, by the way this comes down to IPC (instructions per clock). Intel have had far superior IPC for a very long time now. While software optimisation does come into it, it's a very small issue compared to the IPC gap between AMD and Intel. (which is, by the way, putting it very simply)

I'm not claiming to be an expert in anything, but you should be a little less aggressive with your reasonings as these are very complicated subjects and it's very easy to be confused or wrong about something.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] AndreiLux:
Development support will always be better for vanilla ARM cores because ARM has the whole industry behind it in terms of it being a reference platform and Cortex CPUs being the main compiler targets. Same for Mali - Mali is actually extremely vanilla in terms of OpenGL ES capabilities and has little extensions. A developer who spends no effort and time in trying to optimize for a certain GPU architecture will always be easier off on Mali GPU because they're coding for plain standards. In a sense, there's many people who say Mali has better all-round game performance, I have no objective proof for this but people seem to make this statement a lot lately.

I'm working on it, but it takes time. For now it seems the Exynos has a bit worse (Wifi) browsing battery life and better GFXBench battery life compared to the Snapdragon.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] zurkx:
heres proof (from my 910U) :

valid.x86.fr/a/dgccim
[Galaxy Note 4 General] SAVVAS.:
Thanks for reminding me to fix/edit my early post. Yes it is already a known fact that this Exynos has the latest and greatest ARM cores!
[Galaxy Note 4 General] dazed1:
I'm sorry i dont want to push your or anything, but any general eta? :(

Its important to me, because i wait for the S805 version for whole 3 weeks, 910C is available and cheaper like 1 month already....so i don't know what to pick (after reading many pages)
[Galaxy Note 4 General] AndreiLux:
Well if you want a TL;DR then you can safely pick the 910C. I should be done by end of next week but it all depends if I receive a certain package by then.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] dazed1:
Omg, this is so strange to me, i never thought it would be such outcome. So you are saying the 910C is superior? what about the camera ISP and the battery life? i'm not an battery maniac, if its like 10% worse (idle and during load) generally i can live with it no problems.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] cmd512:
Why is this so strange? Exynos devices always had superior Wolfson audio chips. Exynos S4 had the newer camera ISP (not sure if there's a difference between the Note 4 versions). There has never been a huge difference in battery life.

There is nothing strange here, the facts have been out there for ages.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] Ausboy 2011:
I also think 910c/u is superior :D