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[Galaxy Note 4 General] POLO_i780:
Have you ever owned a branded phone? The networks load their own junk that runs in the background, my Note 4 is Voda branded and I had to disable a whole lot of their apps, and their app store is baked in so much so that I cant disable it so I am going to load an unbranded UK or German ROM soon to clean it up.

And seeing how that Note 4 SD has an operator boot up, I bet it also has operator apps on top of TW running, that makes the test rather unfair, I hope GSMArena do a thorough comparison as they did with the SD and Exynos S4.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] bernard134:
Lucky in Singapore we get SM-N910G (SD805 + CAT 6 LTE) instead of lower spec due to future proof of LTE, the N910C (Exynos 5433 + CAT 4 LTE) or the infamous N910U (Exynos 5433 + CAT 6 LTE). Phew!!
[Galaxy Note 4 General] cmd512:
Those micro stutters are there with the Snapdragon S4 I had and even my colleagues' S5s. I'm not surprised you're seeing this.

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Yep, agreed.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] KindaJackedForANerd:
Weird I have a note 4 exynos and I haven't experienced one stutter whatsoever everything is like butter. Maybe a faulty unit?
[Galaxy Note 4 General] skivnit:
Don't ever compare a nexus with a Samsung phone, Samsung is full of functions you won't find anywhere else. You want plain googl the experience go with nexus or HTC, want a feature rich phone go with Samsung. That's how it is and how it I'll always be
[Galaxy Note 4 General] POLO_i780:
Used both a Exynos S4 (I9500) and a mates SD S4 (I9505), both unbranded. I owned a Exynos S4.

Never noticed performance differences, in fact I didn't know my mates one was SD until it picked up 4G, then I checked About Device and saw he had a I9505.

Differences came in terms of heat, the I9500 heated up more and performed better in benchmarks, while the I9505 had the same UI performance, performed less in benchmarks and had slightly better battery life.

Before getting my Note 4 I dealt with a friend's SD Note 3 and another's SD S5, again both run beautifully, no stutters, no lags. These are all international units, we generally get international units here in SA.

I'm finding it hard to believe the lag some are experiencing is due to CPU. In a local SA Mobile forum there as a whole lot of us with SD N910F, Exynos N910H and Exynos N910C, and none are reporting lag. I'm getting the impression this is due to Network branding and regional FW issues.

At Phandroid and AndroidCentral there is a mix of SD and Exynos N4 users reporting some lag from a variety of regions, and others no lag, I really believe this is due to networks tampering with FW, Samsung would not allow such a performance disparity, lets be logical here for once people.

Their reputation is on the line and their closest rival now makes big phones to.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] cmd512:
Nope, my Snapdragon S4 had more micro lags here and there even with a stripped down ROM + root. Overall, the Exynos experience is far superior.

I agree that the Exynos heated up pretty badly at first with the original firmwares. However, none of the KK firmware have such issues, even when I'm playing pretty intense 3D games.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] AndreiLux:
Snapdragons will stutter due to hotplugging, that's a technical fact.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] POLO_i780:
Mine doesn't stutter, and its a SD N910F, I am coming from Exynos S2, S3 and S4, and its been a great step up.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] KindaJackedForANerd:
I really hope you get this phone your kernel would be awesome
[Galaxy Note 4 General] POLO_i780:
Wish I could agree but I've had a great experience with my Note 4 SD805, and have not seen any UI speed diff in the SD and Exynos phones I've had, not since the days of the X10 and Galaxy S at least, heck I was blown away the HTC One M7 last year, after gunning for and getting my I9500 S4, having been a long time Exynos fan, last year I learnt a major lesson WRT SD and Exynos, and haven't been bothered on which I get since, if the S5 had 3GB RAM and QHD I would've taken either SD or Exynos. Mates S5 SD runs incredibly smooth, Samsung did a fine job with optimization.

EDIT:

There's no point in me making an argument with you and Andrei though, neither of you own the phone and neither seem to have a single positive thing to say about Snapdragon, seems to be quite a pattern, you've both made your minds up before using either, think its best I leave this until you both own a variant.

Cheers.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] cmd512:
Uh, I don't need to own the device to comment on what is known historically. If users are reporting micro lags with the Snapdragon variant, I am absolutely in a position to say "it wouldn't shock me given I've experienced it first hand in previous Snapdragon chips."

(Andrei can comment on his own behalf. But when he says it's technical fact, I'd say he has data to back it up.)
[Galaxy Note 4 General] Lodix:
You can help to get his device here: https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/note-4-exynos-development-device
[Galaxy Note 4 General] cmd512:
YES, let's this thing going!
[Galaxy Note 4 General] lawtq:
Would there be development for N910S too? :)
[Galaxy Note 4 General] cmd512:
Where have you been? Perseus has been Exynos only, I don't see that changing in the near future.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] lawtq:
What rock have you been living under??

N910S is exynos. Sheesh
[Galaxy Note 4 General] POLO_i780:
Snapdragon I'm guessin?

A ton of development, don't even worry about that :D I think I'm looking more forward to what new devs we'll get and the new things we'll get especially with Android5.0 ROMs, and what we'll get from Nexus 6.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] cmd512:
Then I stand corrected, I assumed S was a Snapdragon variant. (I admit I didn't look it up, you can't deny there are a million part numbers at launch with this device).

I don't foresee a problem, unless there are major differences between the hardware other than the main chip itself. From my conversations with Andrei, unless it's changed, it looks like N910C will be his target device.

EDIT: Guess this is easily confused, if you Google N910S, the first two links even say it's a Snapdragon device.

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Android ROMs are a plus, but kernel development for previous Snapdragon variants have been ho-hum at best.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] AndreiLux:
The S is actually both and seems to be Snapdragon majority.

BTW please stop fighting about in regards to what I do.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] lawtq:
Yes it seems the S was thought to be a snapdragon some time ago but it is indeed exynos GOODNESS. I'm sure S is exynos ONLY. Why confuse the market even more with 2 different chipsets with the same model number.

Anyway the more I hear about this kernel the more I'm intrigued cause I have to agree that the snapdragon kernels.... Well, I really didn't see differences, I was grateful for them though
[Galaxy Note 4 General] Willisme1:
That's probably the best way of putting it that I've heard. My Nexus 5 was nice and all, but it was literally just a phone and browser to me, pretty boring stuff really. I know that I can customise, but I'm too lazy to do that much work - I just feel bad now for the way I've slandered Samsung for the last few years...
[Galaxy Note 4 General] TANKRED_ENDURES:
anomaly benchmark 2 2560x1440

note 4 (mali t760)

note 4 (adreno 420)

lenovo k920 (adreno 330)
[Galaxy Note 4 General] keroro185:
Hi there,

Do all N4s apart from the recently announced Verizon Developer Edition have a locked bootloader?

Also, if I purchase an off-contract N4 from any US carrier (eg: AT&T) , are they locked? (ie. I can use a foreign sim card in it if I travel overseas?)
[Galaxy Note 4 General] :
AFAIK only verizon and at&t have locked bootloader. Most people seem to be opting for the tmob some even buying tmob sim free to use on at&t
[Galaxy Note 4 General] keroro185:
Right, so if I get buy a tmob N4 sim free, theoretically I can use a Hong Kong sim card in it in the future right?

Edit: Just to clarify, do the Exynos and Snapdragon both support the same LTE bands?
[Galaxy Note 4 General] sahbin:
Battery life

Hi I live in Belgium and I will buy a note 4 but I am not sure which model to choose the N910C vs N910F.

The exynos model seems to be more powerful and future proof, but according to marques brownlee's review the battery life is not so good comparing with the SD version.

Can exynos users give their feedback about battery life please
[Galaxy Note 4 General] Lodix:
I am having good battery life.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] cyberz:
Yes, and the audio is better, more "clean" on the Exynos thanks to the Wolfson DAC.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] tmac31:
He said exynos version is trying to connect wrong lte bands and wasting battery in us.

Im getting around 6 hours sot in normal usage without power saving and its great.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] POLO_i780:
Neither is more future proof than the other as Samsung will treat both equally with updates as they always have.

I'm not sure about LTE bands between the two, but the N910F is LTE Cat.6 while N910C is LTE Cat.4.

Brownlee's review seems to reflect what has usually been the minor differences in Exynos and Snapdragon Samsungs.

I'm using the Snapdragon and getting between 6-7hours On Screen time with 13-15hours off charge, you may check the batt life thread, note that when I plug in I generally still have well over 25% battery left.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] tmac31:
My 2 friends using snapdragon and they both say impossible to get your screen on times without watching video all day. With full charge they barely reach 6 hours and you are saying 7 hours with 25% left i just wonder.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] POLO_i780:
Here you go :) I know its a hard pill swallow but thats what I'm getting, screen brightness at work is Auto +5 and then when I get home I turn off Auto and it sits around what seems to be 35-40% brightness:
[Galaxy Note 4 General] tmac31:
Yes i saw it before. But like i said my snapdragon user friends say they cant achieve it with 10% brightness and 100%battery. But your are getting it with auto brightness and 75% battery usage its just very interesting.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] ShadowFlare:
Can you tap on the Graph, it will show more Battery History details about signal health, and post the screenshot please? People tend to not include this screenshot, but it's as important as the other screenshots.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] Lodix:
And he only used opera mini, we don't know what is he doing during 7 hours with the screen on.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] POLO_i780:
tmac

I am also using WiFi a lot, that maybe the diff. When I took the screenshot I was testing my network, I get no LTE at my place so sit on GSM/WCDMA Option. I also mentioned that I do CPU Only power saving while at work.

Thats a screenshot from a few days ago, what I can do is tonight when I go to bed post what I get today, should be between 6-7hours on screen, as I write this I'm at 86%, 3hours usage and 1h40mins On Screen.

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I used Opera Mini the most, notice TouchPal keyboard is also there as I was WhatsApping and writing in forums a lot.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] ThaiM:
Does anyone know what Rogers Canada is selling? Exynos or Snapdragon?
[Galaxy Note 4 General] ghawyhob:
Great battery

whats ur opinion on snapdragon performance , is there any lag , do u feel how it fast and speed comparing with note 3 snapdragon ? thx
[Galaxy Note 4 General] POLO_i780:
It's certainly snappier than the SD Note 3, the ONLY place that needs work is the speed at which it goes to the Multitasking menu, this is not a matter of CPU though as both SD and Exynos exhibit the same behaviour, it seems to be down to how fast you tap the task switch button, other than that it runs beautifully, no lag, no stutter.

All I want to do now is load an unbranded FW either UK or Germany, which ever gets updates 1st, think I may go UK, as I am sick of Vodas unremovable apps and boot screen.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] :
To change the sim you will have to get the sim unlock code but as long as the phone supports the frequency your operator uses you should be fine. Some exynos and snapdragon can share the same frequency but they do tend to support different bands. There's a thread in general section with all the models and the frequencies they support
[Galaxy Note 4 General] lockieio:
Just for the record if someone is from Croatia we will have both versions depending of provider. Im getting 910c, exynos version. Cheers
[Galaxy Note 4 General] POLO_i780:
For those doubting my results

Another day, and again between 6-7hours On Screen time, notice my battery is at 46%, still plenty juice to get past 7hours but I am off to bed now.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] Lodix:
I don't it is fair to compare your results since you use the power saving mode and just 9 hours of the phone power on... It is not a "normal usage".
[Galaxy Note 4 General] tmac31:
Its higher than my ipad but im guessin you were watching videos alot so its possible.according to phonearena test this phone can give 8.5hours on wifi only and low brightness usage there is no way you can get 10 hours with a usage without watching videos.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] POLO_i780:
Lodix

I use CPU powersaving at work, I was at home today.

Nope, barely watched videos, I did play one when trying to figure out what my brightness is, that was a couple of seconds, I can confirm its 35% screen brightness, checked in video settings.

I used Opera Mini to browse a lot, reading about Microsoft 365 as I am in-charge of possibly implementing it at work, read a review of N4 vs. 6 Plus, did some notes for a meeting I'm planning for tuesday, WhatsApp'd a little, browsed FB and Twitter on and off, checked my Fantasy BPL points throughout the day and continued browsing while watching telly, posting in 3 other forums. I did a lot of typing and browsing hence why Opera, and TouchPal tend to show up the most.

You may dispute my results as much as you would like, but this is what I am getting, my GS4 could barely manage 4.5hrs ost with that usage.

Always fun arguing with people who don't even own the phone I must say :)

What I can say is that Samsung has done a brilliant job, whatever it is they did, the phone doesn't even heat up, it runs cool despite the use of a lot of productivity apps.

BTW, you may quote GSMArena much as you want, I'm an ACTUAL user, who has had it 2wks now, and done the SW update Samsung sent out for performance and batt life.

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Did some bit of streaming with Chrome to try get it under 7hours, sorry guys, it aint happening, live with this :D you should be excited. Right, I'm off!

Cheers!
[Galaxy Note 4 General] tmac31:
Well i dont realy care what you are getting i just wonder whats difference with other people? Im not gonna waste 8 hours in a single day on my phone anyway And im using 6plus and note 4 together i realy dont care about battery it just mysterious that you are the only 1 posting this high usage.it could be about opera mini maybe.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] mahdibassam:
Not impressed with my Exynos battery life at all.

Have lost 10% in 45 mins since unplugging.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] ramon2111:
Is something wrong with my sm n910u? Why do I get so little battery life???
[Galaxy Note 4 General] mahdibassam:
I'm in the exact same boat as you. I'm thinking of switching to the Snapdragon. I'm wondering if everyone else is like this too with the exynos.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] AndreiLux:
Been noticing only the U users are complaining about battery, C users have excellent life.

Might be worth to wait for a software update.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] mahdibassam:
Or perhaps I should flash Sweet Rom .
[Galaxy Note 4 General] ramon2111:
So is it only software related? It is not envolved with the hardware?
[Galaxy Note 4 General] ShadowFlare:
That's just plain awesome Note 4 battery life you got there, the Battery history details say it all :good:
[Galaxy Note 4 General] ars_92:
Yeah am using the C version and batt life is either equal or better than my previous note 3,which was snapdragon based
[Galaxy Note 4 General] POLO_i780:
tmac

I'm not the only one, UPSGuy is also getting incredible usage. I find it interesting you don't care about batt life yet are the many one who is disputing my results. I can post today's results here tonight, in fact, I will :D

This is extremely poor, it takes my Snapdragon well over 1hour to drop 10%, it can take a couple of hours if not using the phone much. It should drop 10% in that time only if you're using the Camera heavily e.g. recording long videos.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] pedmond:
Not really, I get 6-7 hours SoT without any power saving with the U variant. If you're getting low times, try to turn off Location Reporting.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] Lodix:
I am getting good battery life too in my N910U.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] tmac31:
Like i said i dont care about your battery life. I just wonder are you manipulating scores or something makes alot of battery difference like opera mini vs stock browser. I saw alot of reviews and i have friends are using it none of them is close to yours upsguy too his scores arent close to yours. Stop talking like people jealous about your scores just give more info so we can understand what makes difference we all are using same phone here. So are you confident any1 who buy this phone can just browse web and get like 10 hours screen time cuz people are checking this thread to buy this phone.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] rickydenim:
Just pre-ordered my Note 4 at Optus (Australia), looks like its Snapdragon for me, don't really have a choice unless I import. Despite the benchmark scores I just hope its a smooth experience, my first non-Apple phone!
[Galaxy Note 4 General] mahdibassam:
It is poor indeed. I'm trying to find the Snapdragon to buy but can't find it anywhere online.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] ShadowFlare:
My speculation was correct then when I said Snapdragon would be more battery efficient than Exynos counterpart back during the start of pre-orders. But on the other hand, Exynos is proving to be more powerful, by a slight margin.

Between efficiency and grunt, I'd pick efficiency between the too, especially with such a small difference in -benchmark- performance. Plus, benchmarks don't really reflect daily usage performance.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] mahdibassam:
Very poor battery today again with my Exynos , with regards to Galaxy note standards.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] SAVVAS.:
Hey [MENTION=1032708]POLO_i780[/MENTION] the results you are getting are very good but as you have already stated, you are usings Cpu only power saving feature. Did you check you battery runtime without that option, normal parameters?
[Galaxy Note 4 General] tmac31:
Well actualy whenever you put 2 version side by side exynos is faster in everyway and you can understand it easyly in loading screens browsing and games running better too.. And when side by side exynos is actualy loosing less battery and definetly heats lesser. It makes me wonder cuz im bored of my 6 plus and thinking about to change with snapdragon and use it with exynos version like i did on note 3. Problem is reports on xda is very different than people around me.

Since we are talking about general use screen is should be most effective on battery and since its same there shouldnt be big difference.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] jonstatt:
I am confused why Samsung is using Snapdragon for Europe. There is a variant of the Exynos which is the 910C which has all the LTE frequencies needed. So why do they provide the Snapdragon version to Europe if it is inferior. For the US, it has generally been accepted due to the specific LTE frequencies required. But I fail to understand their decision for other regions.

The difference is more than slight from what I can see. With Antutu, the benchmark tops out on Snapdragon at between 45-46K, whereas the Exynos at round 51-52k. That's a 12% performance advantage which is not huge but is not what I would call insignificant either.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] POLO_i780:
I've already said, at work CPU Only power saving, turn that off when I get home, Screen brightness 35%, I do use Opera Mini a lot as I post in multiple forums, I do a lot of reading etc... I'm also on WiFi a lot.

It sounds to me like your Exynos is faulty, I doubt the Exynos is that bad at battery life, you should be getting around 5hours at least On Screen Time.

Did you get the performance update that Samsung sent out 2weeks ago?

I use Power Saving at work mate, yesterday's results were without Power Saving, seriously, this thing is very frugal, I used to have power saving CPU+Display on my S4 and would barely get 4.5hours OST, yet here I am with the Note 4, same usage with upwards of 7hours.

One of these days I will try to be as hard as possible on my phone, and see what I get, but all my results are from my actual usage, I don't do power saving tricks and all that, as I like to enjoy my device, I just turn off what isn't needed e.g. Location is kept at Power Saving unless I need to navigate, I disable G+, and some of the other Google services like Picasa crap, and G+Photo Upload, I have also disabled my networks crap as my Note 4 is branded.

Not quite sure what more I can tell you guys, with this sort of usage on my past Androids, I have never had such brilliant batt life, having owned Xperia X10, Galaxy S2, S3, S4 and now Note 4.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] kristova86:
N4 SM-N910C Supported

Please, Can any one tell me if SGN 4 ( N910C ) will get support here in the development section or not ?
[Galaxy Note 4 General] Toss3:
I don't get it either. Maybe they just remembered how people reacted with the S3 and its exynos chip and lack of sources, and just decided not to bother again?

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Hard to say at this point, but I'm guessing it'll never see CM or any AOSP rom for that matter, but if you do decide on getting it - please donate to andreilux so that he can create a proper perseus kernel for it. ;)
[Galaxy Note 4 General] POLO_i780:
My Snapdragon N4 gets just over 48K in AnTuTu, so I'm not sure where you get 46k.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] jonstatt:
46K is the highest I can get mine to get to so far....and when I check the Antutu average ranking, that's where the Snapdragon's are mainly hitting.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] ShadowFlare:
When I run Antutu v5 on a demo unit in a Samsung Experience Store, it did just under 48k. That was with alot of other applications running, being a demo unit people were just opening stuff up randomly. Was a Snapdragon.

There are just different revisions/versions of Antutu, we should mention which version you used as to not make people wonder "why is my benchmark point lower than yours???".
[Galaxy Note 4 General] mahdibassam:
Yes i have updated my Exynos to the latest version from the settings.

I am 100% sure that I need to get about 5 or 6 hours screen on minimum with this phone instead of the 3 hours I'm getting. Something is wrong.

My dad also bought the exynos , so i will have a look at his stats.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] :
I can get between 48500 and 49000 with the snapdragon but I really don't care about benchmarks. Only complaint I could possibly have is the animation /scrolling can be a bit choppy but my note2 is exactly the same. Definitely no lag just could be a bit smoother
[Galaxy Note 4 General] AndreiLux:
It's counter-productive to everybody here to argue about screen-on time only as you don't know what you're doing in that time and people refuse to do proper testing.

I can also get 12H on my S4 if I want to, doesn't mean it's representative usage.