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[Moto 360] kpjimmy:
I think so, but if you look at the other end of that second pic, you can see the point of the bend of the link is RIGHT at the semicircle. If you wear your watch kind of tight and you use your hands to push down on something, the stress from your wrist will eventually wear on the semi-circle point and link point. Because you see it right at the bend, there's no guarantee that the bend will miss the stress point. The spring bar is held in there, and is not going anywhere, but the bracelet that holds the spring bar will have wiggle room and then you can get a broken back. And yes, those tabs in the watch are useless unless there's an adapter of some kind that takes the stress point into account.

And with the post of the first pic comparing the pebble band vs the treffol band (thanks for the graphic btw), you can tell the end link will stick out and will bend over the semicircle completely. HOWEVER this will make the band and watch all together a bit longer lug to lug. Meaning the first link in side the watch would not really bend down too much because the bending link will take the stress off of the first link and with any stress on pushing with your watch on. My super engineer II has performed fantastic. I'll post a pic from my phone indicating what I am talking about and hopefully make more sense.
[Moto 360] bsg273:
Haha, wow a picture is really worth a 1000 words here ... or maybe a 100. Looking at your original pictures I was going to say the links on the Super Engineer II looked quite small so I wouldn't see wouldn't see how it doesn't hit the semicircle, but it really is all about that first link and how far it juts out from the lugs. You could almost say the OG Pebble Steel band's first link is the "perfect" size for promoting cracking. It really is too bad that Super Engineer II band required you filing the tabs down on your Moto 360. I do really like that band, very rugged but classy. I want to go with the Truffol band, but it seems even that requires some modification, although someone a couple pages back in the thread seemed to get it to successfully fit just by removing the first links, using the 2nd links as the attachment-links, and claiming you need 7" or smaller wrists (I have no idea how large my wrists are, guess I should measure lol). The first links also seem to be the same size as the second links so it should still "jut out" adequately.
[Moto 360] NWKENT:
Here's the band you need gentleman..no cracks..notch the ends of the band so it'll get past the tabs..and it comes in a shiny to..

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?p=56018427

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[Moto 360] kpjimmy:
No regrets at all regarding the tab removal. Best thing I ever done lol. Love the band and worked great during the rain this past weekend at the Renaissance Festival in Houston. :)

In addition to the modification to the treffol band, meaning using the tab rather end link because of the tapered ends, I have a few spring bars and I also have an old treffol band that I can test that as well. My point is that there was another member from Android Central that used curved end links as well to use without shaving the innards. I am going to test out the curved end links on my other watchbands later at lunch to see if it works.

Stay tuned!
[Moto 360] akellar:
Post a pic of the back of the watch?
[Moto 360] kpjimmy:
I have seen it. Not my style. Reminds me of other bands I have passed in my collection. Just not my cup of tea :).
[Moto 360] NWKENT:
Sure..

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[Moto 360] bsg273:
It's the notching of the ends part that puts me off the most about bands like these. There are a lot of good bands out there with long enough first links to clear the plastic edge of the watch, but I don't exactly have a dremel on hand, nor do I have watch tools or a trusty, steady hand to remove the watch bands without risking scratching the watch or band, so I kinda just want something simple I can take to a jeweler and have them remove links and put it on for a few bucks. Macy's even did it for free for me one time with a traditional watch. I've gone around to a few jeweler's in my area and they look at me like i have 3 heads when I ask if I could pick out a band and have them "notch" it with their dremel.
[Moto 360] NWKENT:
I can certainly understand your reluctantness..but..this is the answer you all are looking for..I have no cracks and took about 30 minutes with a three point and a round small hand held file(s) to notch the ends..

Yes..its a $20 band..but it does look nice..and feels good on my arm..not to heavy..(just me thow)..lol

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[Moto 360] ThePublisher:
I can't say for sure, but I would imagine so. Motorola will have to come up with a uniquely shaped solution to keep this from being an issue.
[Moto 360] bsg273:
I wish they would just post a back-view picture of their ugly metal band, so we can see what precautions they're taking.
[Moto 360] 640k:
can you post a link to the Cartier face?
[Moto 360] bsg273:
Do we have the test results yet?! I'm still tuned! lol I also saw that over on Android Central someone got a curved end Speidel to work with no mods. I kinda like their SKU 00177100 and think it'd look great on the Moto 360. The band is at the following link at the top left:

http://www.speidel.com/magento/index.php/watchbands/metal-band/non-expansion-bands.html?band_size=139

What say you? In your professional opinion, you think that might work? You seem to have become the watchband testing guru here on XDA. lol
[Moto 360] kpjimmy:
Sorry I couldn't locate my curved end bands. I was unpacking and packing stuff and put it somewhere "safe" and now I haven't a clue where I put it lol. But I did try the treffol mod and I couldn't get my normal spring bars to fit. However, maybe that treffol guy used the stock spring bar on the watch? Not sure if those are thinner than the standard 22mm bars are.

As for the speidel, if the curved ends are thin enough to be inserted into the watch and catch the spring bar holes, then yes it should work. The guy on AC got it done at a jeweler IIRC. And the curved end bypasses the moto notch so that is a big win there. I think it's promising if you have the same band as that guy.
[Moto 360] applesandsynths:
mesh band

Hey hey!

Wondering where you picked up this band?

Thanks!
[Moto 360] NWKENT:
Sorry so long with reply..See post #431

Here >> http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?p=55987290

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[Moto 360] bsg273:
So the spring bars you used wouldn't even fit through the band or just wouldn't go into the watch itself for whatever reason?

Yeah I think these Speidel's are promising, but unfortunately the one I want is different from the Android Central guy's, and he didn't even provide the SKU of his band. :( Not to mention, how can one be sure any given band bought online won't have the dreaded "2nd link" problem where it presses up against the plastic?
[Moto 360] kpjimmy:
I have a few extra spring bars and none of mine fit. So Not sure if the motos are thinner, I didn't do a comparison. But I couldn't get it to fit.
[Moto 360] sidepocket:
Dark brown Etsy band, black Moto 360

Dark brown Etsy band, black Moto 360.

Yes, the band is pre-notched.

Link to the band.

Link to the face.

[IMG="Dark brown Etsy band, black Moto 360"]http://i.imgur.com/jSNRHxi.jpg[/IMG]
[Moto 360] bsg273:
I like how you just straight up put the information people are going to ask you for in your first post. Much appreciated lol. So many people post interesting bands and faces on here with NO link to either. *forehead slap*

Anyways, I do have an additional question. Is this the first 3rd party "Made for Moto 360" band we're seeing? Do you know of any others?
[Moto 360] sidepocket:
It was the only "official/unofficial" one I saw on Etsy at the time, and there weren't any on Amazon that I saw. If you look on eBay, though, there are a lot of Pebble Steel bands being "re-branded" as Moto 360 bands. If anything, that's probably what this band is. I'm sure the Etsy seller originally marketed this strap as a Pebble Steel band. Smart move on his part.
[Moto 360] Do_Whut_Now:
Ordered and installed. Please note that this is for the Pebble "Steel".

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?p=55678540
[Moto 360] Zhou86:
For anyone who is interested in the Steel Connect M adaptor for the Moto 360, its up on Kickstarter btw, seems like you can really use any 22mm strap on it without worrying about cracking the back plate...
[Moto 360] GTiceman:
Did you back one? I was unsure which to back the M180 or the M225. I got two different answers. I plan on getting NATO or ZULU straps both leather and nylon and I think the 225 would be better but it is a bit pricey.
[Moto 360] audie2k3:
With a Dremel tool to the Moto 360 , and a 7 dollar waist band this what I came up with.
[Moto 360] piepie22:
I end up just file down the notches, this is 21mm black steel band (3mm thick) installed.

I just hope it doesn't crack the back later.
[Moto 360] Zhou86:
I backed the 225 one, more classy and subtle imo.. But seriously the price is quite steep imo, I am still considering it because since the official metal band are due to release on November, 40 days campaign still gives me enough time to re-consider this option.
[Moto 360] GTiceman:
Yea $50 is a lot, that is one of the other reasons I was leaning toward the 180. The 225 adds the more watch curve but I am curious as to how far below the back of the watch the pins sit, the 180 is close to flush which is like most watches.
[Moto 360] akellar:
Asked the steel connect guys what they've done to reduce the risk of cracking. Here's their response, which didn't exactly sell me.

Good day! Thanks for your support in SteelConnect M, its great to have you as our early backers. We do heard about the cracking of the back of Moto360. So far we are doing good with the combination of the adapter and watch. The adapter were create for the flexibility in changing strap. We cannot 100% sure that it would help on reducing the cracking. One thing i can assure is that, it will reduce the frequency of you removing the strap directly from the back case. If you still have any doubt, please do not hesitate to contact us.

Thanks you
[Moto 360] Agent.:
This translates to "We have no idea but please buy our product anyway."
[Moto 360] Zhou86:
Hmm, poor answer imo. They should design the adaptor in such a way that it snugs in nicely at the slot to prevent any movement of the first link, just like the ones with the Super Engineer II straps, that way, there will be no stress on the backplate whatsoever...I always had the impression their adaptors do that, unless I am wrong about it?
[Moto 360] gkrules:
I got the original Super Engineer from Strapcode. I switched the ends of the band, scraped out the plastic pieces in the watch band slot, and the band fit right in. As an added bonus, the link that goes into the watch doesn't move, so no pressure is put on the plastic back, which diminishes the chance of cracking. It's probably less likely to crack with this band than the stock leather one.

Overall, the watch looks way better, in my opinion. The watch should've been launched with a metal band.

More pictures here: http://imgur.com/a/gkrUk
[Moto 360] Outlaw78a:
I've got man hands/wrists and over 4 weeks with my Moto360 and its pebble steel band. Knock on wood no cracking here.
[Moto 360] NWKENT:
Nice 360..thanks for the photos..

I will probably order the model you have in a week or so, if available..can/will you supply a link to where you purchased your band.?

My dark 360..

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[Moto 360] xbiggyl:
What's the story behind this one?

Anyone find anything closely resembling it?

Out of all the ones I've seen, this one looks the best IMO.

[IMG="Moto 360 Black Metal Band"]http://www.geek.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/Unknown.gif[/IMG]
[Moto 360] pratik_193:
Can you share the URL from where u bought it ?
[Moto 360] hush66:
He already mentioned he bought it from Strapcode. Anyways, here's the link:

http://www.strapcode.com/store/20mm-metal-band-c-165.html?infoBox=3
[Moto 360] Do_Whut_Now:
Primria on Etsy just posted their official Moto 360 leather band! Different colors available!

https://www.etsy.com/listing/207608720/handmade-leather-strap-for-moto-360?ref=shop_home_feat_3
[Moto 360] Dusty Rhodes:
If you use Amazon Prime the price is the same but delivery is in two days instead of a week or so. Just my 2 cents.
[Moto 360] p0tential:
gkrules,

Do you mind sharing which width band you used, 20mm or 22mm?
[Moto 360] 640k:
I did the Target band...
[Moto 360] PsymonDK:
How does the notifications feel with the back covered?
[Moto 360] 640k:
fine, no issues here. at first i thought i was wearing it too loose, but i wore it out while it was loose and could feel every notification.
[Moto 360] gkrules:
I used 20mm. There is a little bit of gap, so I imagine a 21mm might work too, if you want something slightly wider, but don't want to cram it into the slot like you'd have to with a 22mm.

I completely agree. My watch sits on the bony part of my wrist, which would normally increase the risk of cracking, but I haven't had a single issue yet, and I don't imagine I will have any in the future. It almost seems like these bands (SE and SEII) were designed for this watch.

I've also gotten more compliments on this watch/band than any other watch I've had, so that's a plus as well. It makes it look like a normal, classy watch.
[Moto 360] ayamy87:
Hello !

Sione Olive with Cream Stitch

Ps: still looking for the original gray leather band (I have the stone). If anyone reads this and is interested please don't hesitate to send me a message !
[Moto 360] cybercurator:
Very nice! What band is this and what mods did you have to make?
[Moto 360] ayamy87:
From eBay, here is the link : http://www.ebay.com/itm/Genuine-Lea...tches_GL&var=470310046286&hash=item27db52b92b

No modifications (I had to cut a small piece in the middle of the strap)...
[Moto 360] mk92595:
I got bored with the pebble band so I put the leather one back on
[Moto 360] jerflash:
thanks for the info dude!

Im going to be trying the 21mm super Engineer II out from amazon. free returns and all its worth a shot

oh and you said you changed the ends....to what?
[Moto 360] gkrules:
Dusty Rhodes has a pretty good write up on what to do. You basically just exchange the two ends on each side.

http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=55496560&postcount=28
[Moto 360] jerflash:
Nice! thanks man.

I see you both used the 20mm but i just got the 21mm. should be exactly the same thing form the looks of it just a little less gag when installed. should leave enough room for pin access
[Moto 360] thesparky007:
Nice! Where did u get that
[Moto 360] NWKENT:
One word >> AWESOMEWATCH

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Does that style band exert pressure on the back plate at the roundness part..the band appears to "turn down" to the wrist rather quickly..usually means the band hits the back plate and may cause cracking.??

Curious, because I'm about to order the "shiny" model also..and I adore that band with the shiny model..

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[Moto 360] fylim:
Would inserting a piece of small foam underneath the end link help in making the end link rigid i.e. not move down ? Or is there a band design that already does that ?
[Moto 360] NWKENT:
No

Friend..I think adding anything would probably increase the pressure from the band, to the back plate..I have not personally experienced the cracked back plate, I have a band that comes straight out, then turns down, clearing the back plate..there are many posts in this thread that can help you with your question first hand, but its a simple solution, once one recognizes the issue, and how to avoid the cracks..simply..purchase a band that doesn't turn down, at the pins..the first link (pin holding link)..needs to be long, then the next (2nd) link can turn down to wrap the wrist..and this avoids hitting the back plate..there are many in this thread that does this..pick one..(research) the one you like best..just me thow, and NOT a professional opinion..lol

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[Moto 360] Zhou86:
Beautiful.

And that watchface, I went to Boostr's thread to search for it immediately.
[Moto 360] chris420o:
what about this strap would it work?

http://www.ebay.com/itm/22mm-Speide..._Watch_Bands&hash=item5406e41d43#ht_363wt_664

i cant tell where the pins are honestly or where they would go...i love the band and its not a crazy price but to pay 35 bucks for something that will be useless and i cant return is not what im trying to do...ive heard people installed speidel curved ends with no modification which is why im looking at this band...anyone?
[Moto 360] ayamy87:
Hey,

What do you guys think of this handmade leather strap ?? --> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/321553583...49&var=510441975531&ssPageName=STRK:MEBIDX:IT
[Moto 360] rsalas187:
I went to my local watch dealer and he recommended not putting on thick band because it would not fit unless he bent the pins. Then He said if you bend the pins then he couldn't warranty the band staying on. I went with the Pebble metal silver band and it matches perfectly. I have several high watches and it took me awhile to get use of the Pebbles light weight band (feels cheap compared to my Tag, Omega's or even a Invicta) but I think I made the perfect choice. If you have to bend anything don't do it. It took my local watch dealer minutes to size my watch band and put on the new band on for 10 bucks.
[Moto 360] kpjimmy:
Looks nice but I didn't see how thick it is by the spring bar. It should be about 3mm and you'll need either cut out a notch in the band or take out the notches in the watch.

But it almost looks like a band I am getting custom made. I'll post pics when I get it. I should get it by Thursday.
[Moto 360] opasha:
Yeah, but have you seen the engadget pics? Scroll a few pages back and you'll see how retarded the official band looks because of how much it sticks out from the watch. They didn't design it correctly. It looks really really bad/cheap. So based on that, I have a gut feeling these will fit just fine...in fact...even better than the one Motorola has chosen. I am really good with watch bands also, so I'll test out a few and report back when my Moto360 arrives in 2 weeks. :)

Also, are you the same spinedoc from the Surface Pro 3 forums? :)

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Thank you! See, I told everyone they would fit better!
[Moto 360] Phlip00ws6:
I dont know if I love that or hate it...but it does look pretty bad ass. Please post some pics when you get it!
[Moto 360] bradhoschar:
$30 stainless steel band at a local jeweler!
[Moto 360] Alix8821:
I put it on another one of my watches to make sure I liked it. Looks amazing. Obviously need it to fit the 360, but I'm not worried about the looks at all. Just the fit. And I'm good with watches. Have a full watch kit. So we'll see. I'll post ASAP
[Moto 360] spinedoc:
Looks great. Reaffirms my purchase of the silver one, just looks so classy.
[Moto 360] bradhoschar:
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[Moto 360] Mr Ian B:
Did they charge you to install or free install?

Ian B
[Moto 360] bradhoschar:
FREE!
[Moto 360] monino:
12880

With this tool $4,37, you can change your watch band and size.

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[Moto 360] spinedoc:
Great vid. Silver is the way to go IMO, it just looks timeless. Black is pretty awesome as well, but all the watchbands I've seen have a kind of matte cheapy look to them. But it's just a matter of personal preference, I'm more of a SS Rolex kind of guy versus a black Movado/Rado kind of guy. Still, if I like the 360 I'll probably buy a black one as well and swap them out as I like. $500 for 2 of them is much cheaper than buying a single watch these days.

Do you have any info on the watch band you got? Maybe the packaging has a brand and model #? I only have the big name jewelers at the mall and I'm afraid they will look at me like I have 2 heads if I walk in to them and ask for something like this, they'd probably rather sell a 10k wedding ring than sit and fiddle with a $30 watch band.
[Moto 360] knoxploration:
Anybody switching to a third-party metal band would do well to pay attention to this quote from Anandtech, per Motorola:

"New RF techniques were also used to make custom metal wristbands that don’t interfere with the antennas of the watch itself."

By using a third-party metal band you may well reduce range and cause connectivity problems with your smartphone.
[Moto 360] Phlip00ws6:
According to someone in the watch band thread, he broke that back plastic peice trying to remove it. Its been verified by someone who has installed a new band that it is not necessary to remove the back.

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Do you know if other smart watches use a special band? Or if there has been problems using metal bands with them?
[Moto 360] spinedoc:
Anyone who installed the metal band note any issues with Bluetooth range?
[Moto 360] Myzur:
Sounds to me like Moto is just trying to scare people away from the 3rd party bands.
[Moto 360] opasha:
THIS. I agree. Don't let this fool you. Just do an easy test and walk away from your watch before you put on the band. Then, put the band on and walk away from your watch. That is your range, lol. Second, most of the time where is your phone......most likely, close to your watch :). It's definitely a scare tactic in my opinion. Seriously, who wants to buy their super ugly/incorrect fitting metal band for $80?
[Moto 360] dottat:
Motorola back door conversation....

Moto guy1: ****... Watch bands won't be ready in China until after we launch. . Customers will already be pissed because of low watch inventories... How do we get their money for the metal band?

Moto guy2: tell them it will limit device operations. Profit.
[Moto 360] knoxploration:
This is coming from Anandtech, who know what they're talking about. If they repeat it, you can be pretty confident it's true.

As for no availability of metal straps, my personal belief is that's an intentional move to get some early adopters to pay for two straps, and to keep the higher price with metal strap from getting prominence in early reviews. I don't for one second believe it has anything to do with production.
[Moto 360] spinedoc:
Anandtech is just repeating what Motorola tells them, until they actually test it I'm suspicious. At $80/pop they are seriously price gouging us.
[Moto 360] Jonny:
I call BS unless proof is posted ;)
[Moto 360] Ichibahn SLC:
I just made this real quick. Some correct dimensions. Others not so accurate. Don't have a way of measuring it right now.
[Moto 360] bradhoschar:
Mine had to bend, mainly because I wanted to try a cheap $30 band, before I spend $80 or up on a GOOD band, but the one in the video a month or so ago has been a CHAMP! No issues whatsoever. Ive pulled, pushed, played guitar, drums, and everything and this thing isn't going ANYWHERE. It sounds to me like the guy didn't want to take a risk and bend them, so you wouldn't blame him down the road.

Im glad you got one~! That band looks great!