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[Galaxy Note 4 General] ShadowFlare:
That's just the beauty of Touchwiz, whatever hardware you have under the hood, it will still show choppiness. Bad coding perhaps, and too much unnecessary 'features'.

Yeah, benchmarks aren't everything, as long as everything to generally runs smoothly and battery life is good, I'd be happy. I'd love to get the Note 4, but I'm rather enjoying the very pocket-able Sony Z3 Compact atm. Battery life on this thing is phenomenal, 3 days 7 hours right now and battery is at 58%, on LTE, never used WiFi. Very light usage, mostly listening to music over Bluetooth Headset to and from work, since I have a work phone which I use for everything else.

[IMG="Efficiency"]http://i.imgur.com/7crQOTG.jpg[/IMG]
[Galaxy Note 4 General] POLO_i780:
Have you tested a SD Note 4 yourself?

I get the same score on the latest version of AnTuTu, of the normal AnTuTu app.

Yep, I think that's best, I am shocked you are getting below 5hours without heavy gaming, heavy GPS or heavy camera use, those are the only things I imagine could bring down a battery very quickly like that on this phone.

Yep, got around 48500 on my SD N4, haven't hit 49K though, but I'm sure if I made an effort to close all apps and do a reboot I could

With me personally it is my usage, haven't done any sort of mods or trickery to my phone, will only be Rooting it later this week to change CSC when I load an unbranded ROM.

You may or not believe my results, as I said before, no point in arguing with people who don't have the phone, but I a, thoroughly impressed, I'm getting excellent results with my usage.

Find it hilarious that now suddenly battery stats are not enough proof, I even ran the phone yesterday on request to show that I get this usage, lol, ah well.

Would've been interesting if I got the same usage with an Exynos Note 4.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] jonstatt:
Yes...I have a white one! The highest I have ever got is 46K (with the very latest version of Antutu). And I just called a friend up to try his and he got 45K. These are both 910F models (EU). I have no idea how you are getting 48/49k?! Before running the test I rebooted and killed some processes.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] tmac31:
Snapdragon version throttles alot. My friend recorded 4k video for 2-3 min then tried antutu it was 26k or something.it doesnt realt say alot of things though but cpu and gpu scores were downed to half.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] jonstatt:
I have noticed this as well. If I keep running Antutu without a resting period, the score goes down and down and down on each run.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] :
Got to agree about the battery, I can't compare to the exynos and don't really see the point. All I can say is the battery on my 910f is phenomenal, I'm a heavy user and it runs rings round my note2 in battery performance
[Galaxy Note 4 General] BarryH_GEG:
Kind of funny actually. Benchmarks totally don't reflect real world usage. 85% of apps and games don't move off two cores in Snapdragon or A53 in Exynos. Benchmarks test all-out performance with four or eight cores and the GPU maxed out completely. So a declining score by repeating a test that in no way resembles how devices actually use resources seems like a double negative.; at least to me. ;)
[Galaxy Note 4 General] DJ_BARO:
How about to import it from Poland?

Hello Guys,

I'm living in Germany and I don't really understand, why in our neighbour country poland there is the Exynos Variante available ((geizhals.eu/samsung-galaxy-note-4-n910c-schwarz-a1161556.html))* but here not :confused:

If I would import it from Poland, would there be any problems with it? ( for example because of the region lock?)

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Also,you can compare and get more usefull information about the two CPU's on here

((http://www.notebookcheck.net/Samsung-Exynos-5433-Octa-SoC.128363.0.html)) *

((http://www.notebookcheck.net/Qualcomm-Snapdragon-805-APQ8084-SoC.108360.0.html)) *

*please without brickets, it didn't allowed me to officially post an URL because of the 10 Post Restriction
[Galaxy Note 4 General] willowmlt:
Can anyone tell were can i buy exynos version online but it has to be from europe country or i have to pay alot of tax !!!!!
[Galaxy Note 4 General] DJ_BARO:
Hi willowmlt!,

I'll already called an price comparison site, where you could import one from Poland. Anyway,have an eye on this price comparision website: geizhals.eu/samsung-galaxy-note-4-n910c-schwarz-a1161556.html

It's the same price like for the international one with the SNP805 (about 720 EUR)

I hope, i could help you ;)

Regards

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PS: IMPORTANT! Get from one of theese websites some information about this device (like the plug, if it is regional locked etc.), before you purchase it!
[Galaxy Note 4 General] willowmlt:
hi thanks for the quick reply but all the websites are in polish or other language . i kinda found a way to contact them i hope they reply to me . one more question is how will the waranty work if i buy the note 4 from other country ?

thanks again
[Galaxy Note 4 General] mortusqz:
If anybody need some help with ordering from poland i can show you few sources where to buy ,

regards
[Galaxy Note 4 General] lawtq:
Yes please show!
[Galaxy Note 4 General] mortusqz:
I asked around best online shops for info is it possible send item outside Pl when they respond to me i give here info , but if you are in hurry try here : allegro.pl its biggest auction site in Pl like ebay because Ebay didnt catch up i Poland

regards
[Galaxy Note 4 General] POLO_i780:
Indeed, it is, I am so relieved that it turned out to have such great batt life, as a part of me was skeptical about the benefits of getting a phone of a screen this size, I was tempted to get a Xperia Z3 or LG G3 32GB even, but it turns out I made a great decision going for the Note 4 beast :D

Can't wait to go on holiday in Cape Town in Dec now and take lots of pics with it, this phone is jvrt awesome!
[Galaxy Note 4 General] rambo_relax:
very important!

do you know gpu mali-t760 in galaxy note 4 have how many cores??? mp? 8 or 10 or 16?
[Galaxy Note 4 General] AndreiLux:
6.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] hung2900:
So at this point Exynos is better in perf, worse in battery life right?

I don't know that whether the system can shut some cores when it needs or 8 cores running all the time (which I can see from CPU-Z). Is there either CPU hot-plugging or power gating mode? If 8 cores all running, so when wakelocks triggered, it drains more right?
[Galaxy Note 4 General] AndreiLux:
It's not possible to extract that from sources sadly enough.

Anyway yea, it's an A15/A7 chip.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] Lodix:
Oh, and some interesting information was released ?
[Galaxy Note 4 General] Pako7:
what other information you are interested in? This information was extracted only indirectly, because sources have been designed primarily for Exynos5430 ;)
[Galaxy Note 4 General] hiepgia:
A57 is based on A15 with AArch64 support and some change to support 64 bit. Nothing change for 32bit instruction/register when compare with A15/A7

it's same as AMD64 which can run kernel 32bit without any change. So, the same for A57 can run instruction from A15 32 bit without any change.

Samsung will have 64 bit kernel for Android L soon.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] Pako7:
then your and source code, Exynos5430, too with support for 64-bit? :)
[Galaxy Note 4 General] hiepgia:
i don't tell 5430 support 64 bit as hardware id point to Cortex A15

What i said is same kernel which use on 5430 can run on 5433 on 32 bit mode without minor change.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] Pako7:
until the sourcecode says that 5433 = 5430 + GPU_T760 + minor_change_voltage_politic

we will see in more detail, when will the firmware on Exynos_version_Note4
[Galaxy Note 4 General] hiepgia:
yes. We can sure Exynos 5433 will base on Cortex A57+Cortex A53 base on information on Geekbench.

On kernel side, higher voltage on Exynos 5433 on same high frequency let me believe on it is 64 bit.

It same thing that you can run Windows XP on Intel Core i7 5960X which release after 13 years without any change on kernel.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] Pako7:
Well, well .. let's see :D

may be better to ask yourself the question - why geekbench identified Ex5433 as A57+A53 ?
[Galaxy Note 4 General] frans23:
damn it

i'm really confused

but i hope 5433's really 64-bit for more future proof
[Galaxy Note 4 General] Pako7:
hope all but not strong :fingers-crossed:
[Galaxy Note 4 General] hiepgia:
benchmark between Exynos 5433 vs 5430. If 5433 = 5430+100Mhz-GPU Mali T628MP6+GPU Mali T760MP16+1GB RAM, it can't make a 10% more in benchmark.

http://browser.primatelabs.com/geekbench3/compare/791365?baseline=783363
[Galaxy Note 4 General] Pako7:
i see.. But why do you think that these results "blame" A57 + A53_64bit?

Can other hidden "technology", which you do not know? ;)
[Galaxy Note 4 General] frans23:
yeah, lets :fingers-crossed:

i won't spend my money to buy Note4 then looks obsolete when android L with 64-bit optimized roll out :silly:

but anyone remember this SS from antutu?

it's clearly written 5433 is A57+A53
[Galaxy Note 4 General] hiepgia:
Same core can't make 20-50% improve.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] Pako7:
but you write 10%, but then 20-50%... :laugh: dreamer ;) We will see through month what Samsung tell us in your Exynos_device
[Galaxy Note 4 General] hiepgia:
Mean, if same core in 5430 can't make 10% perf. In Geekbenchmark below, performance gain is 20-50% depend on integer/float work load.

This let us know this is totally new core, better performance for Exynos.

And this is from ARM. ARM Cortex A57

http://infocenter.arm.com/help/topic/com.arm.doc.ddi0488c/CIHFAACD.html

0xD07 = 3335

And this is from ARM. ARM Cortex A15

http://infocenter.arm.com/help/topic/com.arm.doc.ddi0438i/BABCBFDF.html

0xC0F = 3087

These number can tell us clearly than kernel define/kernel comment.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] CLARiiON:
Check this - 5430 vs 5433.

http://browser.primatelabs.com/geekbench3/compare/791365?baseline=783363

AES and SHA1 numbers are huge difference, these 2 increased the most.

For AES, it's close to 800% difference. For SHA1, it's more than 150% change.

These look like due to advancements in cryptographic instructions in ARMv8.

Source: http://www.arm.com/products/processors/armv8-architecture.php

But I think we will have to wait for the phone to be available for confirmation.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] ttayyareci:
what is that!

What kind of a strategy is this? Why they cant make one and the best one... so the devs can focus only one thing and ppl can get the best thing without confusing...
[Galaxy Note 4 General] Pako7:
this i view nearly from CLARiiON. I repeat - when will exynos_device to sale, then we will hold forth :cool:
[Galaxy Note 4 General] Nuu~:
The Exynos power gates the cores instead of completely turning them off.

That's also the reason why many CPU load applications sometimes show incorrect frequencies for some cores.

The Snapdragon on the other hand does hotplugging.

It does save a bit more power while the cores are offline, but wastes a ton of CPU cycle to get them back online which can result in microstutter and other somewhat laggy behavior.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] ars_92:
Cpu z reports the a53 idling at 400 and the a57 at 700mhz.pretty sure batt life will be better if it idles at a lower frequency right? Especially the a57 core,700 seems a tad high. What do you think, Andrei?
[Galaxy Note 4 General] astoncheah:
here i got nearly 13hrs sot in total 23hrs usage if i want to with my s5:fingers-crossed:. but daily usage, i get 5-6hrs sot.

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=2689011&page=43
[Galaxy Note 4 General] tmac31:
700 mhz is minimum for a57 and im pretty sure it mean they are closed but cpu programs cant show it.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] hayderi:
I just bought a new note 4, SM-910c variant but the problem is that it is not showing LTE option in the network mode. Can u confirm if the option is available in ur phone.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] astoncheah:
i am using n910c, no lte option there. it's automatically enabled and detected once your mobile data is on.

edited: the option is there (lte/wcdma/gsm)
[Galaxy Note 4 General] hayderi:
But the note 4 only shows h or h+. but when i install the sim in an iphone 6 it shows LTE. Thanks for the reply.. And the one in pakistan only shows GSM AND CDMA.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] astoncheah:
here is what i have.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] ars_92:
It cant be closed as cores cant go offline on the 5433. There's no hotplugging for exynos. So its really hard to say whether cpu z is reporting it correctly or not. Octa core HMP cpus aren't new anyway,as the s5 has it. Kinda hard to believe that cpu z is reporting things wtongly.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] tmac31:
Hmm interesting icant remember my exynos note 3 realy which didnt have hmp anyway. But exynos 4 s3 had hotplugging. If 8 cores are always active and even on 700 mhz it should waste more battery i think.

Edit: In the HMP solution, each and every core can be activated, and it indicates that any core with no running task can be deactivated.

Its from arm website.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] AlwaysQuestion:
For the users who buy the Exynos version, explain me why ?

In my case, i have to waiting.

The Exynos version (when more products available in Europe) and i don't know which version i must buy.

The Android Lollipop to unlock the power of 64 bits of the Exynos 5433 (Exynos 7 now).
[Galaxy Note 4 General] pedmond:
Lol - I thought that was what this thread is all about :angel: If you try to read the previous posts, you may take your own decision.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] dazed1:
LOL users on XDA, vote for Exynos?? :confused:
[Galaxy Note 4 General] pedmond:
Look at the vote results :D
[Galaxy Note 4 General] dazed1:
Yes, its utterly rubish lol.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] AlwaysQuestion:
And the Exynos will unlock ? We have no real information about it.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] astoncheah:
here is my n910c(exynos) battery usage. NO, it was not normal usage. i turned off gps, sync, nfc and others. just showing exynos is battery efficient too if it wants to be.

for normal daily usage, i get average 4-5hrs sot.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] da4kgr3y:
Galaxy note 4 n910c will be get developed by us, and soon(I hope) will get first ultimate kernel build.

Stay tuned.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] lisbon2004:
Don't forget that many users are tightened to their regional offerings, as asia, or russia is exynos for examle.

few will sign up for the lottery of cross-border purchases and international deliveries.

at the end of the day, that will affect snapdragon userbase numbers.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] kristova86:
many thanks my friend

since I got my Note 4 N910C I am searching for this thread :) LOL

I hope we can get support for this version (Root without break Knox :) ( I hope ) , kernels,Recovery and custome roms. )

Now the main question is will we get this support or not.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] Lodix:
If you want development for the Exynos version please help donating here: https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/note-4-exynos-development-device

To make possible Andreilux can get this device.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] kristova86:
Done. :)
[Galaxy Note 4 General] DJ_BARO:
I'm not quite sure how the warranty does work from theese shops, I guess you must sent it back to the shop where you purchased it. I already sent Samsung an Mail about for example the warranty and the regional restrictions

Stay turned, I will write their answer when I know further :good:
[Galaxy Note 4 General] Lodix:
Thank you :P

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Someone can run Gamebench in Asphalt 8 with a Snapdrsgon device ??

This needs root permissions.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] Azcaron:
N910C - battery life ?

Hi guys, im going for Exynos var. - N910C tomorrow. Can somebody show me his battery life with this model? (screen on maily) Many thx.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] toofimoofi:
Just unpacked my Note 4. Its snapdragon :) Im gonna see how good the ppsspp emu runs on it :)
[Galaxy Note 4 General] willowmlt:
From were did you get the 910C im strugling to get an exynos version from eu :(
[Galaxy Note 4 General] Nuu~:
Poland gets the 910C. There are several stores that have them.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] Azcaron:
I got it from k24.cz, it's a Polish online store ( komputronik.pl ). Cost me abut 18,200 Czech crowns ( 660 EUR). But now they are recorrecting the label of Note 4 and day before the price went up to 19 300 crowns.

Still want to see how N910C perform with battery life.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] bronx:
Let us know mate, I'm quite curious about it as well. ;)
[Galaxy Note 4 General] Lodix:
Can someome with the Snapdragon 805 run Gamebench with Asphalt 8 ???

It needs root.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] gabrymr:
Just got back from the shop, they only have N910C here, so Exynos. It seems to be a good unit so far, can't wait to put it through it's paces.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] mortusqz:
Hi again

so after respond from shops i know ,sadly not many shiping outside Poland if anybody has partial store in mind i can ask them ,I am Polish native so it will be easier to me :) ,komputronik .pl ,large polish shop long in market bit pricy but rather good ,and like I sayed try allegro.pl platform support english language

regards
[Galaxy Note 4 General] cmd512:
Battery screenshots are pointless. The fact one guy is using Wi-Fi and the other is on 3G/LTE is a huge variable.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] bat0nas:
In Lithuania we have 910C (Exynos) as well.

White model - in stock and can be tested at Omnitel stores.

Black model - sold out and.. a long wait for me.. :(
[Galaxy Note 4 General] POLO_i780:
Nothing wrong with white, it is stunning, I had a tough time deciding TBH, settled on Black because I liked how my S4 still looked in black (black mist) even after a year, while overtime I got sick of white on my S2 and S3.

To All who are interested:

Testing my phone with CPU Power Saving off even here at work, I am typing this on my N4 while playing music, ensuring my usage is the same as other days, will see what I get. Sitting at 95% with 3hours21mins off charge, moderate use (WhatsApp, Opera Mini to post here and Twitter), connected to WiFi.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] TraNe15:
Waiting for the results! :good:
[Galaxy Note 4 General] POLO_i780:
Congrats :)

Ensure your results are not above expectation of some around here or they won't want to believe them. ;)
[Galaxy Note 4 General] willowmlt:
Im Kinda confused what to do 910f arrived in my country today but i feel that exynos custom roms will unlock the 64bit . whats you think ???
[Galaxy Note 4 General] :
No custom rom can unlock 64bit only samsung can. 64bit is bootloader dependant and bootloader is closed source. That's why so many n3 and all at&t n4 can't be rooted
[Galaxy Note 4 General] willowmlt:
so should i go for the snapdragon ?
[Galaxy Note 4 General] :
That's a personal choice. I think the exynos will perform slightly better in benchmark tests but the snapdragon will get better development support and seems to have better battery as well.

It's always a personal choice but the new nexus is running the snapdragon so Google aren't in any rush to push 64bit and I can't see anything coming soon that both can't run.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] toofimoofi:
Ok. Its a bit faster then my Note 3 and Tab S. But still not that much of a difference. I havent played much around with ppsspp settings though. I remember that when I found the cirrect settings for my Tab S, the framerates went much higher. Ill let u know. All in all its a great phone. I would have loved it more if samsung also upgraded the RAM to 4 gig. :)

Im running echo rom on it with most of the services I dont use disabled . Its pretty smooth.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] Da-BOSS:
Thanks for the results :) If Samsung put 4 GB RAM then they would unlocked it or let the boot loader to work in 64bit mode :D ;) maybe on Galaxy S6 I hope so :p

By the way I'm gonna get Note 4 :victory: Exynos version [N910C] :fingers-crossed: or I'll wait a little for any rumors about Galaxy S6 specifications ;)
[Galaxy Note 4 General] POLO_i780:
Ran my Note 4 Snapdragon without CPU Power Saving today, listened to a lot of music at work, did a bit of web browsing/forum posting including here, wrote a few emails, WhatsApped quite bit, and worked on my calender a lot as the next two keeps are quite busy. What I keep forgetting to mention is my phone also syncs both my personal and work emails + calenders, I'm very dependent on both this and my iPad at work, more so on my Note though.

Anyway here we are:

15h24mins off charge, got 50% batt and 4h6mins OST, this phone is just beastly with the batt life, wish I had more time to test its camera but I'm so wrecked by the time I get home that I just want to sitback and enjoy my phone and tv, lol. Will try this weekend. :)
[Galaxy Note 4 General] tmac31:
Hmm very good and interesting battery life. I got pretty much same time in my exynos last day. Its pretty much same usage scenario with yours brightness was on auto.now we are very close in battery :) i never got your extreme scores though maybe i should try power saving too sometimes. Here is my screenshots.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] ShadowFlare:
This screenshot is important, shows us your good steady signal so the modem doesn't work extra hard to maintain signal and drain your battery.

So everyone, please include this screenshot as well when posting your battery stats.

Great battery life btw.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] mahdibassam:
That's a good point , take a look at my one (Exynos) :

Not too sure about the colors there , would yellow-ish mean bad signal ?
[Galaxy Note 4 General] Zanr Zij:
You have bad signal + too much wakelocks
[Galaxy Note 4 General] ars_92:
Lol its clear that your phone isn't sleeping when it should. Some apps you are using is killing your battery,so its not the exynos chip. Would have been the same even if you had the snapdragon version. Try to find out the culprit app which is keeping your phone awake. And yeah,your signal seems to be really bad most of the time,further contributing to your bad batt life.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] StajercS:
But what about Exynos (910C) models with unlocked Bootloader? Or is this not same? Sorry for Q., but i'm little lost with this, since i have Nexus 5, and im happy with Stock Rom. :D
[Galaxy Note 4 General] cooldoc007:
from what i have read and based on experience with sammy phones.. 64bit will be a no go from samsung... would ve hoped for it if andrei said its possible... but sadly he too said no.... unless sammy wants to unlock it...
[Galaxy Note 4 General] Lodix:
Someone found that the bootloader in the Note 4 is alredy prepared to work in 64bits.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] cooldoc007:
means?? it could be made to work in 64bit mode?
[Galaxy Note 4 General] cyberz:
Source? :cool:
[Galaxy Note 4 General] Lodix:
Was someone in this thread, look for it.

Yes, by Samsung.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] cyberz:
If Samsung want, yes.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] mahdibassam:
I flashed Sweet Rom , which made things much better , and also greenified a wake lock that kept my phone awake 50% of the time. I got 18 hours and 4 hours SOT yesterday , let's see how I go today.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] HedZior:
Hi, can anyone correct me if I'm wrong on this one its about bands on LTE. EE in the UK had started rolling out LTE Advanced and I wonder if I have cat 4 LTE (150mbs - and that's what they are achiving atm) phone (N910C) will I still be able to use that speed even with cat 4 LTE obviously if the phone operates on that band. So my question really is how is that gonna work with N910C version of the phone on the network that supports LTE-A. Will it show that I'm connected to 4G+ and I will just be capped at 150mbs speed or will it only show 4G in the bar but I will still get the 150mbs speed ? N910C does opperate on all LTE bands needed on EE, 800, 1800 and 2600mhz.