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[Galaxy Note 4 General] cmd512:
hahahahaha.

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Invalid? Plenty of users that don't have the device actively seeking or waiting on Andrei to pick up the Exynos. Sad, you're the only person in here who gives a damn enough to try to validate your inferior Snapdragon device, go away.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] POLO_i780:
This is a S805 and Exynos thread, I own one of them, I can be here, if anyone should go away, its you, talking about a device you don't own, your point is invalid.

Sitdown and let the owners talk kid.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] cmd512:
Your English comprehension isn't so good, the title of the thread is to discuss which device to get, NOT owners discussion. And, you OWN a thread? Hahaha, get a grip, your delusions of grandeur are hilarious.

But please, continue with your valiant attempts at defending an inferior device, it's entertaining to say the least. :)
[Galaxy Note 4 General] POLO_i780:
To quote what you said:

"Your English comprehension isn't so good".

You should just stick to weirdly following around and brown nosing a dev.

Your delusions of a device you don't own are just sad, and calling it an inferior device when again you don't own it are clearly signs of desperation.

Where you got the idea of grandeur, nobody knows, clearly you're not reading the situation well and need to do some growing up.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] iridaki:
I think his idea of grandeur stems from the remote possibility that a specific developer will build a kernel for his device, after the users team up to buy him one.

I'm not going to even go there, comparing Snapdragon to Exynos, it's pointless. A device is more than the sum of its components, in the sense that different users want, expect and enjoy different things. The question "if given a choice, should I get Snapdragon or Exynos" can be answered with arguments for and against both variants. Demeaning people over the processor of their phone is pathetic. My 2 cents.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] t1337dude:
I'm running the Snapdragon. I don't really care to import a phone for a slightly better processor and slightly better videocard. I'm plenty satisfied with the phone's performance - at this point I'd go for battery life anyways. If I had an option to choose between the two freely with no additional hassle, I'd consider the Exynos, but don't really care much at all that I didn't get one.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] AndreiLux:
I'm haven't been getting in these flame-wars but there's quite a few irrational arguments being made here. There's demonstrative proof that one unit performs better than the other, this isn't about some subjective notion that a person might have, but technically explained causes and effect. The Snapdragon units have hickups and this is caused by their power management mechanic - again something that can be proven and is a known issue. I think everybody has seen the performance numbers and I'll be presenting objective power numbers too soon enough.

But that is what this thread is about - you add nothing to the discussion with such posts either. Some people care about the technical aspect of these devices and that is something you should respect.

But you are right in that demeaning people over which device they have is wrong. I appreciate some people following what I'm doing but I don't want to have fanboys either - so in that regard [MENTION=1984051]cmd512[/MENTION] needs to tone it down.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] POLO_i780:
Brilliant! :D LOL!

And I agree with everything else you said. I thought this is where we left it, but then he comesback spewing garbage about a device he doesn't even own, basing it on 2pages of a thread, lol, I just couldn't help but find him pathetic and call it out.

Other than SoC diff, whatever you get you should be happy unless you mod, then SD is the way, I don't mod, so I was open to whatever, although can't wait to give some Nexus ROMs a go for a day or 2.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] AndreiLux:
Given that you were the one who started this flame war 3 pages ago I think you should also tone it down.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] POLO_i780:
Anything made by a human will have 'hiccups', unless you're showing me MASSIVE 1minute delays and excessive lagging then I couldn't careless.

One thing I have proven with actual results is the incredible efficiency of the Snapdragon with batt results over and over and over, but then you suddenly changed and said that that wasn't good enough, seems you move the yardstick to whatever pleases you.

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I didn't start it, you may go ahead and check, look who was making ludicrous statements about a device they don't own.

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I didn't start it, you may go ahead and check, look who was making ludicrous statements about a device they don't own.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] iridaki:
I am sorry if what I wrote came out wrong, I didn't mean that caring about the technical aspect of a device is pointless, I meant more that engaging in a flame war is pointless. Because most Snapdragon users will defend Snapdragon and most Exynos users, Exynos. I do not like it when Snapdragon users dispute the numbers showing that Exynos performs better on certain tasks as much as I don't like users implying that whoever uses a Snapdragon device and is content with it must be delusional.

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[Galaxy Note 4 General] AndreiLux:
Obviously you care enough to be trying to getting into arguments here over the past several weeks.

I haven't even commented on battery efficiency between the two devices at all anywhere in this thread. All you've been doing is posting random screenshots of your personal battery life, that isn't a proof and is just your personal opinion and experience on the matter. Obviously since you first started posting here you've been trying to rationalize and attack the other camp. I've seen zero difference between the two devices in terms of efficiency when I look at the general battery life people are posting.

Yes of course you started it; here it is. Before this post the conversation was all fine and civil. Don't try to deny it.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] huxley309:
End of the day it's just a phone, pick your device of choice for whatever reasons you need and be happy knowing it suits your needs best.

I flirted between the two as they both have the good and bad points, but baiting and flaming is a bit childish.

You lot are starting to make iphone users seem sensible, so just dial it back a notch eh.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] poshpantspaddy:
Clueless

Hi Guys newbie here. Been waiting to get my hands on a Note (republic of ireland) unlocked for a few weeks. However now I have a choice to make between the International Exynos (SM-N910C) version or the Sanpdragon version. Really I have only 2 questions but I am clueless!

Will the Exynos version work with Irelands 4G networks and can it record in 4K?
[Galaxy Note 4 General] AndreiLux:
yes and yes
[Galaxy Note 4 General] poshpantspaddy:
Cool thanks and million........been trying to look this up for 2 hours:confused:
[Galaxy Note 4 General] cmd512:
It's entertaining (and quite pathetic) actually, I say let him continue. The way he got so riled up after I simply pointed out the trend in here that everyone was going Exynos, comedy gold. At least he recognizes that this isn't an owners discussion thread anymore, there is hope for him yet.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] poshpantspaddy:
max memory card

Oh the Handtec web site saysExynos only supports memory cards up to 64gb. I thought it was 128gb?
[Galaxy Note 4 General] naira1:
Kids, enough already. Let's get back to the simple topic of this thread..
[Galaxy Note 4 General] POLO_i780:
I care enough to be informative, posting as someone who has the device for almost a month, I don't want people to be mislead.

Lol, screenshots from a user informing others is just an opinion now, cool.

As I said, yard stick, down to what you want.

It's all good. :)

Nothing wrong with what I said, cmd512 has been posting rubbish about a device he doesn't own, I'd rather he get another phone and take his ignorance elsewhere. :)
[Galaxy Note 4 General] AndreiLux:
It's 1TB. Those numbers are nonsense anyway.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] BarryH_GEG:
Uhm, yeah. Since no two people have their phones configured the same way, connect to the same networks, run the same background processes, or share the same settings (EG: screen brightness, time out, etc.) anyone here's battery life is pretty useless to anyone else. And the ancients that have been here for a while know that. Objective testing (each phone subjected to identical loads) in a controlled environment are the only tests worth comparing.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] Fuzzi99:
The bootloader is already 64bit the actual OS is what I've been talking about

Sent from my fabulous Note 4 Exynos

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The theoretical limit is actually 2TB although ones bigger than 512GB haven't been made widespread enough to adopt

Sent from my fabulous Note 4 Exynos
[Galaxy Note 4 General] michsu:
just be happy with what you got.. a year down the line, both will not be the fastest out there.. :) I would worry more about the battery life than the speed/apps you can put on.. that's what I said all along to everyone I meet.. I would rather have a phone with 5 features that last more than one day, than a phone with 1000 features that only last one hour.. if your phone doesn't work when you need it to (mainly to make calls), then it's worthless..
[Galaxy Note 4 General] t1337dude:
Just benchmarked my inferior Snapdragon, thing is still quite the beast. I wonder if I'd score higher if I rooted and debloated. I'm also curious if anyone has tried running their phone in 1080P and then benching.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] BarryH_GEG:
Sigh.

http://www.anandtech.com/show/8537/samsungs-exynos-5433-is-an-a57a53-arm-soc

P.S. - The author of that article is [MENTION=4167023]AndreiLux[/MENTION] who people in this thread keep questioning. So unless those disagreeing write kernel code, get published in respected online tech sources, and have 13K thanks on XDA, I'd chill.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] gekkehenkie11:
Still undecided which one I'm going to get ... It's nice to have a fast exynos but we all know how samsung will NOT release the important source code, I've read here in this thread that CM11 still isn't even available for the Note 3 exynos. So, as I *hate* touchwiz, it would make sense to go for the Snapdragon then ...
[Galaxy Note 4 General] POLO_i780:
It is a beast :) don't listen to the idiot calling it inferior when they don't even have a variant.

I get around 48500 with my Snapdragon, so it can go higher and the GPU is a seriously beastly thing, I think the only GPUs that truly rival it are the PowerVR in the iPhone6s, so don't even worry yourself with that, just enjoy the phone and its incredible batt. life to! :D

In just a few months time there will be new beasts in the market with newer SoCs setting new benchmark standards, so don't bother yourself too much with benchmarks. What I usually do with ever new phone is I download benchmarks, run them each twice, take a screenshot then delete them, I'll download them again when we get a new OS update just to see where the phone got better, then again delete.

Learnt my lesson with the GS4 Exynos, it was the most powerful phone for like 3months, then the Snapdragon 800 beasts arrived and mopped the floor with it in efficiency and power, stopped fretting over benchmarks since, always something more powerful around the corner, long as what you got runs well, you'll be fine.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] Kiwito22:
I already have an SD Note 3... why would I get an SD Note 4.... it's basically an overclocked note 3.... I'm getting the exynos version.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] mcaserg:
Tests results on N910C Exynos with custom kernel (Ultimate Kernel) CPU OC 2.0GHz and GPU OC 800MHz (max 900MHz) plus tweaked thermal driver (smaller throttling)

Kernel will be released soon, after some stability tests/
[Galaxy Note 4 General] Okarina26:
i hope its working for the N910U too..;)...cos i loved this kernel on my Note 3..!!!:D
[Galaxy Note 4 General] JuliusUkanis:
Touchwiz hate

I really don't quite get it.. People buying Samsung and hating on Touchwiz? Isn't that the whole point? I am not seeking to offend anyone (just looking for an answer), but why not to buy Nexus 6 instead? I mean - it has the same Snapdragon, Slightly Cheaper, Bigger screen, no Touchwiz, Front facing speakers for god sakes! And the lack of S-Pen makes no difference as you are not going to use Touchwiz anyways?

Me personaly - I love touchwiz, whenever I switch to a Vanila Android ROM, I always feel like it's missing something, something that Samsung makes it work better. I won't denny - it has a ton of bloatware and I will root it as soon as I can to push it even further, but I will always go back to Touchwiz. Thank you for your answers!

Regards,

Julius
[Galaxy Note 4 General] gekkehenkie11:
Valid question. And indeed, that was exactly my plan (buying the Nexus 6), until yesterday, when Google removed the embargo on Nexus 6 reviews ... Tons of reviews appeared, everybody compared it (of course) to the Note 4 and pretty much everybody agreed:

* Battery on Nexus 6 sucks, Note is much better

* Display on Nexus 6 is inferior, especially brightness is much lower

* Slow sequential read and write times on the Nexus 6 makes the whole user experience slow and laggy

* Boot time on Nexus 6 is much longer

* Cam on Note 4 is slightly better (although some say they're about equal, I haven't read a single one who said Nexus 6 was better)

* Weird bugs and random slowness in Nexus 6, but might be due to lollypop bugs.

All in all, I've changed my mind based on the above ...

It's not just the bloatware. Sure, that's indeed one of the major problems but you can unbloat Touchwiz. But still, it remains slow and laggy. Just flash 2 times back and forth Cm11/TW and just scroll through your app screens on both systems and you will just 'feel' it.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] tmac31:
as an old nexus user all i can say touchwiz improved alot.. im using nova launcher (using nova cuz more customizable and better design) and all other slow response laggy etc definetly not on my phone.as an old touchwiz hater i really liked new tw. i think design is still bad but performance is really great. 2 slowdowns are recent apps interface and tab change screen in browser its most i found on my note 4 exynos both have like 0.5 sec delay
[Galaxy Note 4 General] gekkehenkie11:
You mean the s5 ? Yeah I heard that they improved it, I'm still on the S4. Hoping it's true what they're saying indeed ...
[Galaxy Note 4 General] Log[]:
I had lots of phones and i hated TW but the new TW on my Snapdragon Note 4 is fast as hell. A friend of mine who used to use an iphone 5s is now converted to the Note 4 Snapdragon version and he said its as fast as his 5s but with better features. I think you can`t make a mistake with both variants exy or snapdragon because both have their pros and cons but overall in day to day usage they are the same in terms of speed.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] gekkehenkie11:
Ok, just hoping it's true ! Touchwiz on the S4 is just horrible, but I've heard more people saying it's gotten better ... Anyway, regardless, with the Snapdragon version you will most probably have choices of custom roms like CM12 anyway in the future not too far away :)
[Galaxy Note 4 General] gekkehenkie11:
I was just checking the forums here on Note 3 galaxy, both Exynos and snapdragon and I've made up my mind now: the exynos is just NOT the version you'll want if you love custom roms. Even after the successor of the Note 3 lies in the shops now, they haven't even managed to get calls going on CM11 for the Exynos Note 3 !

So, snapdragon it will be for me.

*EDIT* though another problem is that Snapdragon doesn't sell as SIM unlocked, it's always locked to a carrier it seems, which sucks hard when you live outside the US in an Exynos-only zone. Damn. And besides that, only the developer version (which is SIM locked to Sprint) is bootloader unlocked ... Now seriously reconsidering Nexus 6 again ...
[Galaxy Note 4 General] BarryH_GEG:
I guess you don't use a GPU. I'm not saying S-805 is a better choice over 5433 but its world's apart from S-800/1 when it comes to graphics.

Things get a little more exciting on the GPU side. The Adreno 420 is a brand new GPU, offering around a 40% increase in graphics performance over the Snapdragon 801’s Adreno 330 (found in all the current superphones, including the One M8, Galaxy S5, and Xperia Z2). We haven’t been allowed to benchmark power consumption yet, but Qualcomm’s own internal figures say it should be 20% lower. In testing, that 40% bump — in reality, anywhere between 0% and 50% depending on the benchmark — puts the Snapdragon 805 way ahead of anything else on the market. Beyond raw performance, the Adreno 400 series supports OpenGL ES 3.1, Direct3D 11.2 (with a hardware tessellation engine), and OpenCL 1.2.​

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[Galaxy Note 4 General] Super Chimp:
I have no interest in custom ROMs, shocking I know so I feel pretty free in my choice here hardware wise.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] Kiwito22:
So does the mali gpu right? And at that resolution you can see it performs almost the same as the 330 right? When do you think games are going to take advantage of the new features anyway? When your phone is obsolete and long forgotten...
[Galaxy Note 4 General] gekkehenkie11:
If you don't care about custom roms, the choice is easy of course, then Exynos is the version to get.

*EDIT* done some more research and actually, the snapdragon also DOES come SIM unlocked as the "SM-N910F" version !!

*EDIT2* and pulled the trigger, just ordered the Snapdragon SIM unlocked :)
[Galaxy Note 4 General] BarryH_GEG:
Pick your battle. Your first statement and the one I responded to is you stating S-805 is nothing more than an overclocked S-800/1. That's not true.

5433 is a newer 20nm design and S-805 is the last generation of Krait. Ironically, at least based on what's been posted by XDA'rs here, there's little performance and battery life difference. 64 bit could change that but based on minds here greater than yours or mine it requires Samsung implementing AArch64 on a chip they intentionally shipped with AArch32. Glass half full people see that as inevitable while glass half empty people see it as a long shot; especially based on 5420 being replaced by the near-identical HMP enabled 5422. Bottom line is no one outside Samsung knows the answer.

Keep this in mind. The Nexus 6 will outsell the Nexus 9 by more than 10:1. That speaks volumes about Google's intentions for 64 bit adoption. If they were all-in their volume leading 2014/5 device (Nexus 6) would be 64 bit rather than the Nexus 9 which will be lucky to break 5M in sales over the next 12 months.

My market is S-805. There's nothing as it currently stands that makes it worth the gymnastics of importing a grey market 5433 Note 4. Maybe I'll feel differently if AArch64 gets enabled in 5433 but that's a big "if." Same thing if Volta/5.0 creates a wider performance gap even at 32 bit between 5433 and S-805. 5433-based devices might be a better platform for developer's but I can't root because I connect to secured networks. For people not interested in rooting for whatever reason, without 64 bit enabled in 5433, I'm hard pressed to see a reason for not getting whatever device is assigned to your specific region.

P.S. - If I could walk in to my carrier and buy either I'd pick 5433 simply because it represents a newer design. ;)
[Galaxy Note 4 General] gekkehenkie11:
Anyone buying the Exynos because of future 64 bit support: unless samsung will open it up, you can surely forget about it. People can't even call on Exynos Note 3 using Cyanogenmod. Modding the system to 64 bit is just totally out of reach for the xda community without source code (which Exynos doesnt release).
[Galaxy Note 4 General] huxley309:
If you're going by what i've posted, you have to bear in mind that over here if you buy the N910F outright then it's unlocked, otherwise you're just tied to whatever carrier it's destined for.

Lucky for us in the uk most carriers are shying anyway from locking them, as such people are tied into contracts anyway.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] Kiwito22:
Hey now... im just trying to rationalise getting an SD over the Exynos... since i already have a note 3 sd... note 4 sd seems like just more of the same... not picking battles. The problems you listed with exynos is what makes me wonder. Ah, nevermind... im not contributing anything to the thread. Thanks for the replies
[Galaxy Note 4 General] tmac31:
I have exynos version and my friend has 805. They are very similar in gpu power in benchmarks but exynos version is abit better in games. Battery is very very similar since screen is the most battery user cpu gpu doesnt change alot as long as they arent running on full frequency.

Heat is definetly less on exynos way cooler everytime.

Cpu on the exynos is definetly faster and you can see it easy load times faster browsing is faster scrolling smoother cuz stuff loads faster etc. Cpu benchmarks also shows big difference exynos have almost identical multicore scores with tegra k1 and apple a8x. But if everything is loading in like 1 or 2 sec even 50% faster cpu doesnt show the difference so not a big deal atleast on short term. Krait is basically an old architecture even s800 was almost an overclocked s600 in cpu part. But they made it produce less heat when overclocking and gave faster memory and cpu performance so whatever its still good soc. But like exynos 5433 s810 will have 20nm and a57/a53 cpu so they could just give it this year

And 64 bit whatever its enabled or not its not a big thing. So no1 should be disappointed.

Like you i would just pick one but exynos is slightly better but wont have developer support. Last year i used exynos and snapdragon note 4 together both was very similar only exynos was heating more. People just fighting for nothing in this thread :)
[Galaxy Note 4 General] BarryH_GEG:
If it makes you feel any better others in this thread have contributed far less and a hell of a lot less civilly. ;) There's value (hopefully) in discussions like we just had as there are a lot of people on the fence between 5433 and S-805. It all comes down to personal choice; and you're not alone in your rationalizing either.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] skivnit:
I dunno why people are still talking about custom roms when you can just get xposed tweaks and a great kernel. Also why people chose to buy a note 4 with a plethora of features and slap a vanilla android os on it.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] Okarina26:
that exynos is a beast..!!!
[Galaxy Note 4 General] gekkehenkie11:
Cause touchwiz sucks. People here say it's getting better and I believe that (I own a S4, there it sucks really hard), but it's still not perfect, according to reviews like these:

source: http://www.forbes.com/sites/gordonkelly/2014/10/28/galaxy-note-4-vs-iphone-6-plus/5/

So, basically, a snapdragon 805 Note running Cyanogenmod will be a lot smoother than Exynos which is condemned to Touchwiz. Hardware alone doesn't say much. Why do you think Apple comes out on top pretty much every time while their hardware specs are WAY worse ?
[Galaxy Note 4 General] t1337dude:
This has yet to be seen, right? But I agree. Though personally I have *zero* issues with Touchwiz, I would simply prefer to get the most performance out of my device, and the S-Pen isn't integral to my phone usage. I just use it to doodle - which if raw input remains, I'll still be able to do just fine.