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[Moto 360] mircury:
Holy cow, I can't believe how thick and ugly that thing is! Incredible. I would put it near the bottom of the list on smartwatch design. I almost laughed when I saw it. Look at the profile of it, not the angle shots.
[Moto 360] gammite:
not sure if serious. did u actually see the watch.

u must be trolling.
[Moto 360] pierrekid:
Hahaha exactly. 360 for the win!!!!
[Moto 360] Phlip00ws6:
Gotta admit the dial on the side could come in handy. Other than that.. same old thing.
[Moto 360] Tonio78370:
Translated : a small Note 3 + Samsung Watch but worse; wrong choice bro?

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[Moto 360] NaterTots:
What'll that cost? $1400 off contract for both pieces? ;)
[Moto 360] mircury:
Haha, there even trashing it on appleinsider. Starting at $349 in early 2015. smh

[IMG="iwatch"]http://cdn1.appleinsider.com/gallery/10405-2622-d7345340114f661b1704bc8a9b8ed83ef33a606c_large_2x-l.png[/IMG]
[Moto 360] neilspenta:
Not trolling. The 360 has terrible battery life and the app ecosystem on apple's watch looks way more polished. Also I'm not a fan of the wedge on the 360, nor the fact that stuff is cut off due to the round display.

Yeah, specs don't mean chit nowadays. I prefer using my nexus 5 to my Xperia z2 or anything that Samsung touchwiz has come on, because its so much cleaner and doesn't lag. Apple iPhone 6+ may not have the quad HD display but it'll provide a great user experience. Also the integration between iOS 8 and my macbook pro, as well as contactless payments will work great.

Don't care how much, as long as the experience is better.
[Moto 360] Character Zero:
Assuming 1 day battery life from the "easy to charge at night" comment.
[Moto 360] Tonio78370:
Everybody has the right to an opinion, I hope you find satisfaction with this choice.

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[Moto 360] mircury:
Seriously, this Apple watch is the best thing that could have ever happened to Android wear.
[Moto 360] gammite:
i am really hoping google takes note and pushes out quick and useful updates.
[Moto 360] pierrekid:
This is the best comment of the day. Apple announcing nothing would have been better than releasing this design. Seriously what were they thinking? Jobs is rolling over is his grave right now..
[Moto 360] mi7chy:
iWatch was ok until they showed the thick side profile. Eye sore like the new iPhone 6.
[Moto 360] mircury:
That image burns my eyes.
[Moto 360] tsy87:
aside from how ugly this device is...

I really wished the moto 360 had NFC built in as well as some of the other sensors.

That aside, you really can't talk about the app ecosystem for the watch yet... the device isnt out, you wont know how polished or unpolished they are until the device is actually in consumer hands.

all that said, I welcome the competition, it gives android the motivation for making an even better product.
[Moto 360] AJerman:
I think the Apple Watch has some interesting features. Particularly the digital crown (though I'm not sold on it) and the "two stage" touch screen if you can call it that, where it can tell a tap from a press. Not much different than a press and a long press, but it could be useful for devices with limited input abilities. Overall, it has a LOT of features. A lot more than we have right now, but it seems like they have TOO many. To me it seems like too many half baked ideas or crappy ideas (really? the drawing and tapping just seems like a great way to annoy, and sharing your heartbeat just seems creepy) rather than a smaller list of really well done ideas. Never the less, it spices up the market and pushes others to do more and better as well. I think the UI is a bit messy and incoherent, but I expect some major UI updates in a version or two should help it look a lot better.

The watch itself is pretty terrible looking to me. Then again, here I am on the Moto 360 forums. I'm not a fan of rectangle watches as much. On top of that it's very round and very shiny with a lot going on with a crown and a button and funky looking bands. It looks a bit gaudy, which I expected. I would have much preferred a more minimal iPhone 5-esque design than the rounded iPhone 6 look. The black version seems to mask some of the curves and shininess though and looks a little better, though I'm still not sold.

Overall, the entire market is in it's infancy. There are a lot of different looking designs and some are better than others, but for an object that's very much fashion oriented based on personal opinion, this is good. Software on both sides of the fence need a lot of work, but I like the idea of healthy competition to help accelerate that work.
[Moto 360] DroidDavi:
Not impressed I want to see what the blogs have to say the moto 360 was to think and needs to be a better watch this is thicker cost more and is just as much of a watch as the 360
[Moto 360] Wim!!:
Not just Android wear. Afaik there is no other smart watch that work with iOS, so you'd have to switch to Android and with nothing really new for iPhone 6 I foresee a lot of people making that switch
[Moto 360] knoxploration:
Hideous looking, it has all the stylishness of a kids' toy. And they're going to live to regret that awful scroll-wheel interface, which clearly shows that Apple has completely misunderstood what people are going to be using these things for. Zooming a map, really? When it requires a phone, and the phone is right there in your pocket? No, you're not going to struggle to zoom and pan a tiny little map on a tiny little low-res watch screen when you have a full-sized phone screen in your pocket. You're going to use your phone for that.

And funny how they "forgot" to mention battery life, which is pretty obviously going to suck. Oh, and why's nobody running around in tears that they are preannouncing ages ahead of time, just like Moto did?

As for the phone, wow. I'm impressed. It has a huge screen when Apple said that nobody needed or wanted a huge screen. It has NFC, when Apple said that nobody needed or wanted NFC. (So all they've done is stop their users having what they wanted for a couple of years, putting them way behind the curve for no reason except stubbornness.) And ... well, other than that, what's the big deal? There's basically nothing in there except the hybrid AF (which could be good or could be lousy, and we won't know until it comes out) that my existing Android phone doesn't have, or doesn't have something even better.

Talk about a me too device. And yet the iHordes will be lining up to sheeple all over it, because Apple. "Think different" my ass. Hivethink, more like.

/rant over

//but ermahgerd they come in SIZES!!!!! lolol

PS: none of the above should be taken to say that Moto haven't monumentally screwed up the Moto 360 launch. They have too, but Apple are supposed to be the 800 pound gorilla; they're supposed to make a useful product, not sit hyping up Mickey Mouse watch faces. (Quite literally.)

PPS: Unfortunately, I disagree about this being good news for Android Wear. Apple screwing up the smartwatch almost certainly guarantees that we'll see a deluge of anti-smartwatch press stories, and a could-have-been-great product category will go the way of 3D, (soon) 4K, and other tech that will sink without trace.
[Moto 360] neilspenta:
Did you forget about the Pebble? Which was arguably the first smart watch that worked
[Moto 360] Wim!!:
oops, yeah I forgot about the pebble.

Anyway still not much choice for iOS
[Moto 360] spinedoc:
Hideous. This is supposed to compete with swiss watches?!!?
[Moto 360] madgalaxy:
When I first saw it I was like "Eeew", but now it has grown on me. I will be getting an iPhone 6 plus and the Apple Watch when it comes out. Not because I am a fan boy, but because I love Technology and Gagdets. My moto 360 works great with my Nexus and I will be getting the new Moto X as well.

Competition is great for innovation which makes all us geeks winners!
[Moto 360] n3vry:
Help I've fallen and can't get up. Yeah looks like one of those.
[Moto 360] Mr Ian B:
Does not do it for me, a lot similar to Sammy Gears. Glad I got my Moto360 w black pebble steel band.

Ian B
[Moto 360] Tower1972:
As ugly as it is, it will be a shot in the arm of the stagnant wearables market, which is needed. At the moment, only people who are tech savvy or enjoy tech in general buy these things, With Apple releasing this, it will bring more attention to the market, and make it more "mainstream" then it currently is. This will be a positive for Android Wear as well!

I get my 360 tomorrow and I cant wait! The only thing about the Apple Watch that has me intrigued is the ability to make payments from your watch! I make payments using NFC on my phone now, and have since my Galaxy Nexus days, and I enjoy doing it. The shock value from people who ask me "How did you do that" or "What did you just do" is great!

BUT...with a tag of 349.00....thats alittle steep lol
[Moto 360] pfroo40:
The user interface for the iWatch looks overly complex, which is a strange turn for Apple. Tap vs press? Spinny crown thing? If you have to put any thought into interfacing with a watch, you're doing it wrong.

The design has a retro-futuristic feel to it and isn't terrible but certainly isn't drool-worthy like the Moto 360. Looking face on it looks very much like a galaxy gear. Who is copying whom now, Apple?

Battery life, there was passing mention of it lasting a day, and needing to be charged nightly. Nothing much to knock there considering that is what all other smartwatches have been getting but it is good news for Moto, Samsung and LG that roughly 1 day of use is the industry expectation.
[Moto 360] Betterjake:
Let's be honest.

I am a huge Android fan, I have the Moto 360 and loving it. But honestly some part of me today was thinking that Apple would release an item that would revolutionize the wearable' industry and make me regret buying the 360. It's something that Apple has done before, because of iOS we have Android, because of iPad we have amazing Nexus tablets. Not that the industry is dependent on Apple, but they made innovations that other companies would follow. But wow was I disappointed with this watch, it's design is uninspired and something that I KNOW Steve Jobs would have laughed at and fired someone over. It doesn't even come close to the 360. Not in design or functionality. How about price?!?! What makes this thing cost $349. I am curious to see the adoption rate and sale numbers. But I don't think it's gonna be to good.
[Moto 360] spinedoc:
Jobs is gone, and with him the realization that his genius is what drove the company. They will probably still sell millions on the Apple name, but I fear that one day it will catch up to them.
[Moto 360] RealPetChicken:
Funny you mention battery life when in fact you have decided to buy the iwatch without knowing the battery life. They didn't mention anything on battery life which I found odd, but sneaky of them.

I can see you blindly love apple products.
[Moto 360] neilspenta:
Not an apple fanboi, have you seen what phones I've been using for the past year or so?

I will buy the Apple Watch based on the great UI, OS, and Bands/look. I doubt it can have worse than 12 hours battery life. (If it does, I'll return it and continue using my kickstarter pebble)

The 360 is pretty useless in terms of features too, Android Wear is basically Google Now on your wrist.

I'm just so sick of Xperia Z2 Sony UI crashing 3-4 times a day :/ that doesn't help me sing praise for android
[Moto 360] RealPetChicken:
Do you have a custom rom on it? Maybe it's defective. I have an HTC m8 one and so far no problems.
[Moto 360] neilspenta:
Nah no ROM, imported from Hong Kong cos not avail in USA.

I had an M8, had so many warranty problems I'm on my 5th one.

The camera is so terrible I just can't use it as my everyday phone.

Converted to GPE and its a great (nexus) experience, but I can't stomach the camera
[Moto 360] RealPetChicken:
Jeez, if the m8 wasn't good enough, maybe android is not for you. Best of luck.
[Moto 360] menendez1293:
To be fair, I do agree that the Camera on the M8 could be improved big time. I love my M8 and wouldn't have a different phone if I could choose, but the Camera is my only complaint.
[Moto 360] Yearoftherat:
I'll wait and see to when they are actually released try one on and make my decision then.
[Moto 360] RealPetChicken:
Yeah, mine as well. They are OK.
[Moto 360] slaydog:
It looks like the bottom of it is round... How is that supposed to sit on your flat wrist?
[Moto 360] Character Zero:
What makes me laugh is seeing a picture of a round clock face on a square frame. Goes really for any smartwatch. I mean, does it not smack a designer in the face on how you are presenting a round picture in a square? It doesn't make sense. How could they not have seen the 360 all those months ago and known they needed to go that route. Its almost as if Apple was just being stubborn and thought that since they made it, it would be different. I will give it that it has some good features. But nothing that can't be done by other companies. Do I really want to buzz the watch of someone else I know (provided that even have the watch themselves), not really. What they need to spend the next 4 or however many months is getting battery life out of it. Even though I think 1 day is fine (really 18 hours with 6 hours to sleep). It seems battery life is a big headline with this watches.
[Moto 360] mi7chy:
The flesh on your wrist will have a nice indent to show that you're Apple affluent.
[Moto 360] knoxploration:
Blame your apps or customizations; it's not the phone. I've had my Xperia Z2 for a month or more now, use it for hours every day, and haven't had a single crash.

Incorrect, it's been available in the USA for a month or so.
[Moto 360] neilspenta:
Ok, so my apps and customizations are the problem. I'm using Face Unlock (otherwise unlocking in water is useless), with Google Now Launcher. Other than that, everything is stock.

I should've phrased it "When I got it, it was unavailable in USA.

I'm not gonna buy a phone when its about to be superseded in a month (With the Z3).

I'm just over Android. And voiced my opinion in an Android Forum. I still prefer XDA-Developers over MacRumors forums :P (The amount of Apple fanbois are ridiculous)
[Moto 360] knoxploration:
Face Unlock and Google Now Launcher are not the problems; both work fine. Either you have faulty hardware, or the issue is caused by an app you've installed or a customization you've made if you're not completely stock.

Don't tell me, you've not installed any apps at all. You just like looking at and hating on the stock apps, right?

The Z2 and the Z3 are, for all intents and purposes, the same phone. The changes between them are so miniscule as to be of no impact. I bought a month ago myself; I couldn't care less that there's a new model number to try and stop sales tailing off.

Yet your problems aren't with Android, or we'd all have them.
[Moto 360] tacosrdelicioso:
BOOM
[Moto 360] neilspenta:
I'm not saying that I don't have any apps installed. And I don't understand why you're being so hostile.

The Z2 itself may be faulty, I can't rule that out,

The Sony UI does lag, and I get the Android.SystemUI has crashed or whatever message on average about 2-3 times a day.

The problem with Android (imo) is that they need a unified experience. Every manufacturer of Android phones have to put their sh!tty looking, laggy, "differentiating" UI on it. The Nexus 5 I have has a great smooth UI, and so does my M8 GPE. The M8 on Sense is probably the best out of the "Manufacturer skins", because I find the same lag on Samsung Touchwiz as well. If you have a Samsung, open My Magazine, and see how it lags. With a Snapdragon 801, or even an 800 it shouldn't lag. Apple's iPhones, hell even the Nexus 5 and GPE M8 don't lag, with the same hardware.

The Z2 is flawed, in many ways, where my tabs pop open randomly (a friend's does this as well), it only allows 8MP photos in Superior Auto, and overall is big and heavy. The Microphones and speakers goto chit when you take them underwater, but the fact that it can go underwater at all is a feat in itself, so I'd let that slide. The speaker volume is low, microphones for recording concerts are terrible, and the inbuilt software stabilization either doesn't work, or my hand shakes a lot. I'm getting notifications to transfer apps/files to SD because I'm at 75% storage, 16GB was obviously too small (Have a 64GB card for photos and other stuff).

The integration with Moto 360 is also flawed, the Moto 360 itself lags, and as mentioned before, battery life is terrible. I was down to 20% in about 8 hours, while having the ambient light sensor on, however not looking at it too much.

Agree the Z2 and Z3 are similar, but imo they should've put a Snapdragon 805 and a 2560x1440 screen in the Z3. That would've been impressive, yet this announcement was just boring. (The Note 4 and Note Edge were more interesting, but I dislike Touchwiz).

To each their own, The only Android phone, I'd ever buy again, would be a Google Play Edition or a Nexus. I'm interested to see what Android Silver is/will be, but I'm not expecting much co-operation from the manufacturers.

I don't know what phone you use, (haven't checked your sig, but I really encourage everyone with Android phones to go use a Nexus or GPE device for a week or two.

Then go back to your Samsung/Sony/HTC Sense riddled phone, and see if you notice the difference. Maybe its just me.
[Moto 360] SoberGuy:
Something to be said for naked Android. I messed around with Atrix and HTC One X after the Sexy Nexy. So nice to be back with an N5.

But back on topic. Apple Watch? Yawn.
[Moto 360] knoxploration:
Perhaps because you're posting factually incorrect nonsense based on a sample size of one and a problem that's likely of your own making.

Funnily enough, it doesn't lag on my identical phone, and I have never seen that message in a month of heavy use. Not even once.

I wouldn't go that far, but the manufacturer UI should always be able to be disabled and/or uninstalled completely without affecting the warranty. Manufacturers need the ability to differentiate; they almost all buy off-the-shelf parts for 99% of their phones, so they can't differentiate on hardware, and people don't buy phones based on the after-sales service, so they have no other way to differentiate. Take that ability away and they'll all go make non-Android phones.

Never had this happen, either. You've just found a common denominator. Whatever you and your friend did to or installed on your phones is most likely the problem.

My god, it's limited to the maximum resolution of the very best iPhone camera ever in one particular mode? Off with Sony's heads!

Uh-boo, uh-hoo. You are really reaching. Put the same size screen and battery in an iPhone and surprise surprise, you get a phone of about the same size and weight.

I was about to say, "And which iPhone can you even use underwater?"

Not if configured correctly. I have never heard an iPhone louder than my stock Xperia Z2 configured correctly, and there's no distortion, either.

True of almost every phone except a couple of Nokias, and Sony offers a dedicated, very high quality external mic for the Xperia Z2 which makes its concert recording better than 99% of phones on the market, Apple included.

That's funny, almost every review I read universally praised it as better than basically every other software stabilization out there.

That, I might agree with, were it not for the fact that I have so far only found one app (Comcast's VOD app) which can't transfer all its data to SD card and work just fine. Everything else has no such problem.

We're talking about the Z2 here, as that's what you criticized and I called you out for. I would agree Moto has made some terrible decisions with the Moto 360, but we can't compare Apple to it until they provide even utterly basic info like battery life. At the current time, Apple's watch looks even worse -- far worse in terms of design and UI.

Most likely they aren't ready to upgrade as they'd have to amortize an entire model's design and tooling across a six-month production run. Here, the phone is largely unchanged, there's little new to design and tool, and so they get a bump in sales for little extra cost, but can still largely amortize across the original design.

I have said repeatedly that I use an Xperia Z2 and have for the last month. I find it vastly, vastly more stable than the only Nexus device I own (a Nexus 10 tablet which Google has rendered nearly-unusable with a recent update, but that's a flaw specific to that one device. None of my other Android gear is affected, even running the same OS version.)
[Moto 360] GtrCraft:
You made my day
[Moto 360] Jonny:
Any chance we could get back to the topic of bashing the iWatch?

Reason being its funnier than the current round of bickering...
[Moto 360] cardidark09:
You know the nexus 5 has the same specs as the i phone 6 plus minus the screen size. Might as well keep your 360 and wait for the nexus 6 or note 4 edge
[Moto 360] wtoj34:
Apple was pretty much spoon fed a chance to knock the whole iwatch thing out of the park. With mixed reviews for almost every smart watch in existence, they could've taken over the whole market with this bad boy. Instead, they bunted. Maybe even sacrificed with a pop fly giving Samsung a turn to hit a homer. 350$ for a watch with the most ridiculous design with the same hindrances that we've come accustomed to for smart watches.

As for the iPhone 6? Doesn't attract me in the slightest way shape or form. The one thing baffles me with these new lines of products, are the prices. The iPhone 6 is 199 for 16gb of storage on a 2 year contract. SIXTEEN GIGABYTES FOR 199? WITH NO EXPANDABLE STORAGE? HOW WILL THAT LAST YOU 2 YEARS? Apple had another home run opportunity here with the somewhat underwhelming year of android devices so far. (Don't get me wrong, I love my m8 to death, but it had little to know innovation. Neither did the s5 or the g3). Will people buy it? Sure, anything with an apple sticker will attract millions of people. Now that's not me insulting apples consumers, its more me "slow clapping" their business and their reputation. I'm disappointed apple, and I think Steve jobs would be too...