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[Galaxy Note 4 General] dazed1:
Is there an review in which both models are compared? and also any idle/standby tests of this 2 chips? any side by side camera compassion?
[Galaxy Note 4 General] cmd512:
There are a few Youtube comparison videos above where it showed comparable performance in tests, but the Snapdragon device kept overheating and throttling requiring retests. Andrei will have idle/standby tests soon enough. As for camera side by side, I don't think I've seen one yet, but I have seen the shots from the Exynos Note 4 in the picture thread and the picture quality is fantastic. In fact, I think there were low light shots where it performed well.

As for battery life, keep this in mind: Even with the S4 that had the "crippled" BIG.little Exynos chip, the battery life was simply amazing with Perseus. I expect the battery life will improve drastically once Perseus gets developed for a fully functioning BIG.little chip like the 5433 in the Exynos Note 4.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] AndreiLux:
Camera should have no difference so that is not really something to worry about. Seems 3D battery life goes to the Exynos, browsing battery was a bit worse on it though but I need to test a bit more as I have a theory (In any case browser performance blasts the Snapdragon).

We don't have a standardized idle test... my unit lost 1% idling in 2 hours. Idle battery life is stupid metric anyway, it all depends on your wakelocks.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] dazed1:
Тhanks so much for this. So you are saying that Exynos blasted the S805 in browser performance i'm getting this right? :good:

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Thanks.

Edit, one last question, anyone can confirm that the same displays (calibration) and nand is used in both phones?
[Galaxy Note 4 General] cmd512:
Not a huge deal when you can calibrate your screen directly with Perseus/Synapse:
[Galaxy Note 4 General] dazed1:
Agree but i'm not sure i will keep my phone longer then 2 months, i swap phones/tech very often, i will be getting the Nexus 6 after.

So when i will try to sell it, i will lost quite a bit more money if i have the device rooted, many noobs are afraid from phones without warranty sadly.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] cmd512:
You're putting a lot of thought into a device you'll have for 2 months. Seriously, it won't matter if you care about things like resell value/warranty, just get either version.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] xdadevnube:
It appears, according to GSM Arena, that none of the Exynos variants have Band 13 for Verizon.

Ideally, there would be an Exynos Note 4 capable of LTE Band 13 and Band 4 for Verizon. Perhaps it is possible to use Band 4 on Verizon with Exynos, but without Band 13, building penetration would be poor and it would only work in XLTE markets.

The Verizon DE Note 4 would have unlockable bootloader, but it would be Snapdragon. It seems that the only Note 4 models that have Band 13 and Band 4 are the Verizon Retail Note 4 and the Verizon DE Note 4 (and they are, of course, both Snapdragon.)

Do you know of any model numbers or links to info that I can use to further my search? I noticed that Bolivia, Uzbekistan, and Puerto Rico utilize LTE networks with Band 13, so I wonder if there are any Exynos Note 4 models that would be intended for use in those areas?
[Galaxy Note 4 General] alialexali:
hi

any difference in câmera image quality?
[Galaxy Note 4 General] cmd512:
https://apps.fcc.gov/oetcf/eas/repo...ame=N&application_id=544347&fcc_id=A3LSMN910C

I do not see band 13 support there. However, it is confirmed I will have LTE on AT&T with the 910C.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] xdadevnube:
Thanks. It is looking more and more like there may be no Note 4 models that support Band 13 other than the VZW Retail Note 4 and VZW DE Note 4. I guess that is the price to pay to be on Big Red. It is kindof funny how good we had it with the Note 2.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] karlesg:
Although it will be interesting comparing two "same" phones based on different SoC's that have released simultaneously, this comparison will not be "fair" at all. And by "fair" I mean to draw a conclusion for the two different architectures Krait vs big.LITTLE.

Comparing Kraits 450 vs A57/A53 even in 32 bit mode is not fair. Add to that the 28nm vs 20nm manufacturing process and you already have a winner...

Personally I don't have the slightest doubt which is better.

Someone said that QC with SD810 based on stock ARM b.L architecture, "admits" that its own custom architecture is worse comparing to ARM's b.L. My personal opinion is that this is not the case. QC made this shift because its own custom 64bit core implemetation is not ready yet. Why? I don't have the slightest clue. And for marketing reasons because QC doesn't want to miss the "64 bit era" made a quick and easy shift. I am pretty sure that they haven't abandoned their own efforts to make a custom 64 bit core and the will shift back to custom architecture on the next generation Snapdragons after 810. So the "battle" will continue...

[MENTION=4167023]AndreiLux[/MENTION] a question

I know you are a "fan" of the Exynos platform but since SD810 will be stock ARM A53/A57 b.L, are you planning in future to buy a SD810 device and make a kernel for it? QC definitely has better source documentation for custom ROM's and now shifting to b.L. architecture seems a win win combination for you. Also it has a better tradition in GPU's . Probably SD810's adreno will be better than ARM's Mali.

So in the future do you consider buying a Snapdragon 810 device? Yes, no? Reasons?
[Galaxy Note 4 General] POLO_i780:
Your thoughts are correct, as far as I have known, Qualcomm going with ARM big.LITTLE is a sort of transition period, they will us b.L until the Krait 64bit is ready.

You must take the many loose claims made here with a whole lot of salt. ;)
[Galaxy Note 4 General] dazed1:
Anyone can please tell me what LTE freq/bands does Exynos support?
[Galaxy Note 4 General] flatronics:
This is from SM-N910C
[Galaxy Note 4 General] cmd512:
Pretty much the "no-brainer" we've been stating all along. The message gets diluted with all the b.s. fluff being said in here.

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A pretty big leap there. You should probably re-read Andrei's post a page or two back, he clearly explains why Mali will always enjoy more industry standard support and anecdotally has been outperforming Adreno in actual game performance.

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You're making a whole lot of claims, care to reference your "gut feeling?" Everything I've heard (including from those that I personally know at QC), Krait 64 is a pipe dream at this time. The hotplugging and resulting micro lags of the existing Snapdragon architecture (including the 805) are no longer viable, and that's why they are moving to b.L. It's not some "intermediate" step, b.L is the far superior configuration.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] AndreiLux:
I'm a "fan" of the Exynos platform because traditionally I felt that ARM's architectures actually outperformed Qualcomm's and they were the only ARM licensees to actually succeed and put some effort into competing. Only other vendor was Nvidia but they failed miserably on every SoC till now in the mobile space. The S800 was really the turning point that was inarguably better for Qualcomm, also due to the bL fiasco.

I don't think the S810 will be successful or long-lived - it will be the only viable options for vendors like HTC or Sony and maybe even LG and it'll probably get some numbers from those devices but the S6 is going to be mainly Exynos again unless they massively delay manufacturing. The S810's A430 will be about 50% faster than the current A420 according to Qualcomm, we don't know yet what the 7420 will sport in terms of cores but I imagine they'll want to match/surpass that. To be honest both Adreno and Mali suck in comparison what Apple is doing right now with their PowerVR chips so it's a bit of a pointless discussion which one of the two lesser performing architectures is the better one while we're ignoring the elephant in the room. Also I expect Qualcomm's custom core to be out by the end of 2015.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] karlesg:
Sorry no, I cannot give you any reference... Take it or leave it, your choice. But it's something more than a "gut feeling" at what I'm based for these claims.

So the people you know at QC, tell you that they are not designing a new 64bit custom core? Their roadmap is sticking with ARM's A57/A53 cores and architecture?

Hmmm... that's interesting! :)
[Galaxy Note 4 General] cmd512:
I can't say too much, but no, I did not say they are not designing a 64-bit core. What I'm saying is, for Krait 64 to happen, they need to resolve a lot of issues to make it viable in time. There is a thing called "time-to-market" in the hardware industry, and if Krait 64-bit is delayed into 2016, it makes no sense to even launch it at that time.

The point is, the adoption of ARM's instruction set should not be seen as a band-aid, this was not a decision made lightly for a company that has historically drove and promoted Krait.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] tmac31:
im getting very similar gpu scores on my iphone 6 plus and note 4 exynos. both almost same in 1080p offscreen tests. but if you are talking about air 2 gpu its only matched by tegra k1 ofc.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] POLO_i780:
It's the On Screen tests where the A8 destroys all else if I'm not mistaken, either way, no point in comparing iOS devices to Android. My 2yearold iPad4 still outperforms modern Androids at gaming, its part of the reason why I do my mobile gaming on it.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] Lodix:
It doesn't depend on the OS but the GPU and the resolution.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] tmac31:
Yes i know but if we are talking about just gpu power offscreen shows gpu power under same condition. But ofc with 2k screen onscreen tests goes down for note 4. iphones have 720p and 1080p screens. Ye i have ipad air it has great gaming performance no doubt.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] POLO_i780:
Hence why I said no point in comparing iOS and Android devices:

Here we have an Android phone using a screen res comparable to what high end tablets have, I find it gets messy comparing the two.

The other thing is that iOS devs have far less HW variants to cater for, making it easier to optimize games and apps.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] AndreiLux:
You need to take into account power consumption and throttling, the 6plus is lightyears ahead of the Note 4 in that regard.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] tmac31:
Well ofc i cant do that deep tests. But i can say 6 plus heats more. Didnt notice throttling problems on both(while playing games) im not big gamer though so didnt test it alot.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] Lodix:
Will you compare them in the review ?
[Galaxy Note 4 General] Nuu~:
How big of a difference are we talking about?

Somewhere around 5% or something more significant?

Is it related to the modem? As far as I know, Qualcomm is still the better choice in that regard.

By the way, do you have any idea why the battery life's so different for some people?

If you take a look at the Note 4 battery thread, some get almost 8 hours of screen on time while others can barely break 4 with somewhat similar usage.

That said, someone mentioned that the N910C supports 1800 MHz band 3 and 2600 MHz band 7 LTE.

Is this correct?

Most websites seem to mix up the different models quite a bit.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] AndreiLux:
Use frequency and screen brightness and what you actually do on your device can differ a lot. All you can do is take an aggregate average of all users to compare battery life.

The battery differences are in the 10-15% range.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] 3dward87:
[MENTION=4167023]AndreiLux[/MENTION]

What version you got ? N910C or N910U ?

Will work your kernel to both versions ? (or all exynos versions)

Difference between this two are, N910C have cat 4 and N910U have cat 6.

Felicitari pentru munca depusa aici !

Thanks
[Galaxy Note 4 General] Ausboy 2011:
Andrei mentioned a bit ago he will try cater for all exynos models honestly there isnt much difference between the models on a kernel level
[Galaxy Note 4 General] cmd512:
Just got my N910C from Handtec, snappy as hell. Already rooted and customizing, but the stock over saturated colors are burning holes into my eyeballs. Can't wait to get Perseus to calibrate that damn screen. :D
[Galaxy Note 4 General] bjrmd:
Are you getting 4g, either Tmobile or ATT bands?

Do you know if the music is resampling 44.1 to 48 like some of the other samsung models do?

Thanks
[Galaxy Note 4 General] cmd512:
Haven't messed with any tunes stuff, but yes, AT&T LTE is confirmed. I drove around the neighborhood and saw LTE 4G picked up on both bands 2 and 17. Band 4 is also supported by the device, so no issues. As for T-Mobile, bands 2 and 4 will be no issue, but the phone is showing no support for band 12.

Hope this helps!
[Galaxy Note 4 General] erahk64:
It's possible to get pretty accurate colors by setting "Screen mode" to Basic and disable "Auto adjust screen tone"

in "Display and wallpaper" settings.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] cmd512:
Yep, Basic made a huge difference vs Adaptive.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] TheNewLegend:
guys how big is the difference between the SD805 and SD800 is?

In germany the only model sold is the N910F and I wish I could get the exynos version because it is a truly step forward from my note 3..

The exynos version seems to score alot higher in geekbench, plus its 64 bit 20nm and has a wolfson dac.

Im afraid that the SD805 going to be outdated soon because it uses an old architecture and sd810 is just around the corner. :crying:
[Galaxy Note 4 General] GalaxySpirit:
From what i experienced so far real life usage is amazing despite the variations and any benchmark scores!

(I have the SD model)
[Galaxy Note 4 General] dazed1:
Can anyone PLEASE tell me all of the supported freq/bands for LTE on the 910C i can find the exact ones no where, only mixed up with the 910F...
[Galaxy Note 4 General] tmac31:
you cant really understand speed difference with note3 comes from software or hardware. cuz tw improved alot its very fast. i bet new tw on note 3 will act like a newer and faster phone too.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] headshrinker139:
Been playing with my N910C and must say this device is absolutely fantastic. Battery life is fkn awesome and when I say awesome I now think that my past Samsung devices were all junk in comparison (S1, S2, S4)

Those who have been ticked off by Samsung in the past will probably be happy with the Note 4 if they just tried it one more time.

It's that good. Not using custom launchers for the first time. TouchWiz has somewhat become acceptable in its latest iteration.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] Log[]:
You can surely buy the F variant in germany. Of course the Exynos has a modern architecture, but you wont notice the performance increase in day to day use. And if you import you loose the "Gewährleistung" and part of the service. Here is a comparison, and at the end he says there is no real difference in performance.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=83Hkb3FAncc

But of course if any shop in germany sells the Exynos variant at the same price point as the Snapdragon i would buy the exynos version.

Just got the 910C from Redcoon.de its called Frost white EU variant. Awesome :) Gonna compare both exynos and Snapdragon.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] cooldoc007:
finally got ma note 4.. ;) coming from note 3.. this is awesome.. touchwiz has finally become lagfree.. the contacts and phone app opening up with no delay.. i say no need for any 3rd party launchers for now... gonna enjoy this baby... ;)
[Galaxy Note 4 General] POLO_i780:
100%!

The battery life is crazy good, huge leap from my previous Samsungs (S2, S3, S4), I am so glad I skipped the S5, when it was unveiled I just had a weird feeling about it and decided to wait, and the Note 4's batt life alone has made the wait worthwhile.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] dazed1:
So what is the "general" SOT on this version of the phone? i know it vary a bit, but some general idea?
[Galaxy Note 4 General] POLO_i780:
On my SD Note 4 I'm averaging between 6-7hours, there are days where I get +7hours, really depends on what I'm doing, but so far haven't got less than 6hours, the batt life is astounding, it makes me wonder what Xperia Z3 users are getting as that has a 5.2inch display and 3100mAh battery.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] dazed1:
Ahh you got SD, i meant on the Exynos :(
[Galaxy Note 4 General] POLO_i780:
Exynos shouldn't be that different (give or take a few mins), Samsung do a good job of ensuring that there is as little diff as possible.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] dazed1:
I heard (frом MKBHD) and some other users, the the SD version get like 1/2h + SOT...
[Galaxy Note 4 General] tmac31:
nope they also mentioned its due to problem of required lte bands not supported by exynos version in usa. it was keep searching for signal whole the time. im getting 6-7 sot on my exynos version it shouldnt be different since in daily usage cpu/gpu usage is low and screen effects more.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] dannstarr:
As tmac says... Mkbhd initially had an exynos verson that was not suited to the bands he was using.

Battery life on my exynos is awesome, no complaints at all.

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The bands for the sm-n910c are EXACTLY the same as for sm-n910f. The ONLY difference is snapdragon chipset, or exynos ;)

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The sd805 is for quad hd displays, offering the same performance of sd800 on 1080p.

It is a decent upgrade of a chip over the sd800, but you arent going to see a performance increase, because of the extra resolution.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] POLO_i780:
The main diff between N910F and N910C in terms of Network is that the F supports LTE Cat.6 while the C supports Cat.4, my network went with the F as they are rolling out Cat.6.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] TheNewLegend:
thanks for the replies guys :)

are you sure that the EU version from redcoon is the exynos 910C one? if so then I can get the exynos in germany :D
[Galaxy Note 4 General] istrikerx:
If you're on the fence, get the Exynos. You won't regret it.

Aside from the Wolfson DAC being better, this thing flies compared to my mate's snapdragon variant in the UK. His lags and stutters, compared to the ridiculous speed of my exynos version.

Could be software optimisation at fault obviously, but for now the Exynos is a lot better. It's also the same price in the UK as the snapdragon version when bought sim free, so a no-brainer. Plus it's an EU model, so 2 year Samsung warranty intact.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] cmd512:
Same thing I've experienced with every single SD variant I've owned in the past, easy decision as Exynos is a 20nm chip as well.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] arjun90:
What country is your N910C made in?

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What country is your N910C made in?

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What country is your N910C made in?
[Galaxy Note 4 General] cmd512:
Vietnam
[Galaxy Note 4 General] dazed1:
Can anyone post test of Note 4 Exynos DAC test/measurements?
[Galaxy Note 4 General] bjrmd:
If you are talking rmaa testing, that is not very helpful unless you are comparing to another device with the same PC, setup, loading. Also rmaa misses a bunch of parameters (http://nwavguy.blogspot.com/2011/02/rightmark-audio-analyzer-rmaa.html). So if you had a Z3 and an exynos N4 in front of you maybe you could get a bit of comparison.

What I have been more concerned about with many of the samsung wolfson Dac implementations is the native sampling rate of play. Way back with the S4 exynos, Supercurio commented on the poor sound driver setup samsung wrote, which can't be changed(https://twitter.com/supercurio/status/382134609108295680). They take your 44.1 music(CD rips, downloads, itunes) and resample it to 48 k. Why, I have no idea but it will eat cpu, and unless done really well will introduce artifacts. The old Note 2(what I an using) and Intl S3 do not do this. Interestingly, my sony tablet Z does.

So, anyone who has the exynos, or SD please let us know what the native same rate is. If you need to know how, download--https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=org.projectvoodoo.audiomeasurementsplayer&hl=en which is voodoo measurement and at the bottom of the main screen it will say audioflinger 44.1 or 48.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] AndreiLux:
That's a lot of drama that has never been proven to affect sound quality at all. And it certainly doesn't affect CPU usage either.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] bjrmd:
No drama, just was doing some reading

Fyi, http://wiki.hydrogenaud.io/index.php?title=Resampling

http://forum.doom9.org/archive/index.php/t-131642.html

I know neutron player has 2 levels of dithering to resample and the developer warns of higher cpu usage with best quality setting. http://neutronmp.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1524

I am not an audio engineer, just an amateur, and certainly do not want to start an argument
[Galaxy Note 4 General] corrupteddata:
I don't know about numbers/measurement, but going with ear test on my ATH-M50 headphone, I have to say that my N910C has better sound compare to my Snapdragon S4 and HTC M7. N910C has better clarity and punchy bass. Even with PowerAmp EQ or ViPER4Android, I was not satisfied with my S4 sound. HTC M7 is much better than S4 in sound quality, but I think N910C sounds better than both. I have not feel the need for ViPER4Android yet on N910C.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] dazed1:
910C beats M7? does M7 have good DAC HP AMP? wow that's great to hear!
[Galaxy Note 4 General] corrupteddata:
For AT&T, M7 has the same audio hardware as S4, Snapdragon 600 built-in DAC, but somehow it sounds better on M7.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] dazed1:
Thanks alot!
[Galaxy Note 4 General] Log[]:
I ordered it there and received a 910c version which im using right now. If they send you the f variant just send it back.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] iba21:
Well could you share all uk sites witch sells the exy? Thanks
[Galaxy Note 4 General] cmd512:
I got mine from Handtec 2 days after ordering via FedEx Priority International, VAT was waived for my US order.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] pikul:
Did i just read that the Note 4 sounds better then htc M7? I have both and thats ludacris lol the Note 4 sounds louder yes, better no, bass and sound quality on my M7 its awsome, althoug my note 4 its no doubt louder

Sent from my Galaxy NOTE 4
[Galaxy Note 4 General] wanam:
48000Hz.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] istrikerx:
Handtec.

I think they order them in when they receive your order, took about a 4 days in total. I actually ordered when they said it was in stock, so not sure what happened.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] iba21:
how to waive vat?
[Galaxy Note 4 General] cmd512:
Not sure if it will apply if you are in the Eu, but for those purchasing out of the US, VAT is completely waived.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] iba21:
did you pay the customs duties?
[Galaxy Note 4 General] cmd512:
Not yet, I got my phone within 2 days after ordering. FedEx may send me an invoice later, who knows.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] iba21:
So you payd it about 600$ :eek:
[Galaxy Note 4 General] lawtq:
Fedex ALWAYS send an invoice later. Always
[Galaxy Note 4 General] cmd512:
Eh, not always. I've ordered 2 devices from Handtec already, there was an invoice for one and none for the other. Bottom line is they don't hold it at customs, which is nice as I got the device in 2 days.

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Uh, what? No, I paid around $800 USD (£500 with shipping included)
[Galaxy Note 4 General] lawtq:
You're a lucky son of a, then. I'm always bloody held by the goolies by them. I chose any other courier if I can help it
[Galaxy Note 4 General] cmd512:
Hah, interesting. I'll keep y'all posted if I do get an invoice, nothing yet so far.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] lawtq:
Hopefully you flipping don't get stung!