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[Galaxy Note 4 General] gekkehenkie11:
How is that ? What does thermal throttling have to do with security, that's not related at all. And power consumption, that's a weird argument. If you want lower power consumption, you should throttle/underclock all the time !
[Galaxy Note 4 General] dw4:
To Snapdragon 810 :D
[Galaxy Note 4 General] AndreiLux:
He means safety not security. Running the chip beyond its designed thermal envelope will cause damage to the silicon and shorten its lifespan. Basically you can burn it.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] domy1985:
Exynos or snapdragon 810 :)?

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[Galaxy Note 4 General] Log[]:
Ofc 810
[Galaxy Note 4 General] domy1985:
Ofc?

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[Galaxy Note 4 General] gekkehenkie11:
That's just speculation. Every chip is different. Yeah sure if you don't want to take risks, don't change it. But really, if you tweak things somewhat and phone doesn't crash, you'll be fine.

And thermal settings differ between manufacturers anyway, shamu uses different parameters than Samsung. So you are saying Motorola is killing their customers chips ? :)
[Galaxy Note 4 General] Tizio.Qualunque:
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[Galaxy Note 4 General] jvtrigo:
If we talk about only the processor Exynos is the best, that's a fact it is not a question of personal preference. It has newer technology and architecture.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] AndreiLux:
No that's what you are saying. Electron-migration and chip damage is real and no speculation. Also a reasonable person would consider that two different phones have different thermal dissipation characteristics, but I forgot who I'm trying to converse here with.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] jvtrigo:
I read 805. Sorry.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] domy1985:
Ok as i live in Germany I don't think we will ever receive 810 model.

I am testing the Exynos right now and it is much more fluid as the 805.

For example if I activate the energy saver option there is much more less waiting time when clicking on the active apps button until they appear.

If we could be sure that Samsung will activate 64 bit on this processor it would be really nice.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] gekkehenkie11:
Hehe you're contradicting yourself here. First you say:

And now all of a sudden, after I've brought to your attention that different manufacturers use different settings anyway, running beyond the 'designed thermal envelope' is not relevant anymore and it's all about thermal dissipation. Haha you're making stuff up faster than your Exynos runs :)
[Galaxy Note 4 General] AndreiLux:
A chip's thermal envelope is defined by the device's thermal dissipation you nutjob. That's why heatsinks exist.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] Clippernote:
Just to add a spanner to the works would it be fair to say that the Exy which the note was designed around would have more testing and thermal design to work around the chip sets?

The Exy is made by Samsung so I would have thought the amount of thermal dynamics testing was rugged?

Would the thermal efficiency better on a domestic market suited to the software running the hardware or would the SD variants software was tested with the same amount of time?

The base codes of the variants are definitely two different types.

I would like to hear from developers on this site who have dissected the base codes to SD and EXY and comment if one code is more efficient than the other? Can they see and compare the two in terms of better designs that’s a real question.

But just to be clear I think both variants work well out of the box to have a secondary chip manufacturer to just work around the Samsung frame work at the speed they release these phones is an achievement in itself.

Another question is how developers are testing each device and what issues they came across which they modifed more easily in one device and not in the other?
[Galaxy Note 4 General] uvaman:
AndreiLux, need to hear your opinion as an expert guy. What do you think, will Samsung enable 64bit on 5.0 for Exynos version?
[Galaxy Note 4 General] AndreiLux:
I saw that they're working on a 64bit 5433 N4 platform but they've changed the device name to trelte64 which is usually not something you would do on a software update. So I have no idea what their plans are or how they'll proceed.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] dw4:
Wolfson sound control FTW Andrei !
[Galaxy Note 4 General] tmac31:
Im pretty sure i saw trelte name sowewhere in the phone.

Edit:found it cpu-z shows device name treltexx
[Galaxy Note 4 General] domy1985:
There it is, but for the n910f the name is the same
[Galaxy Note 4 General] velimr:
F is trlte.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] domy1985:
You are right....so 64 bit is on the way :)
[Galaxy Note 4 General] maxram:
I think mine is Exynos. I notice several lag issues with games such as dumbways to die 2.

When it displays game animation, i notice distinct lags with video and audio.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] Clippernote:
So when a chip market delivers there supply of chips are they locked or unlocked and can be manipulated via software?

I thought companies like samsung just give updates to sort out overheating issues?

Plus there are apps that can over volt or undervolt devices right?

love the popcorn, but like more facts about the devices variants and back up everything you say with facts would be nice :highfive:
[Galaxy Note 4 General] Moscow Desire:
New Years Eve.....

I feel the need....

To send somebody to the Frostlands........

Some folks better Chill Out.....

MD
[Galaxy Note 4 General] Moscow Desire:
Got that right.....
[Galaxy Note 4 General] PockySnacks:
Exynos Variant plays 1080p Hi10p Anime videos on MX Player FLAWLESSLY

Greetings to my fellow anime fans,

I have the Note 4 sm-910U here on T-mobile USA I only get 4g speeds but that's fast enough.

The Exynos 5433 Note 4 plays my high bitrate 1080p Hi10p anime on MX player with no hiccups whats so ever. Probably due to the fact that it is a new A57/A53 ARM achitecture and it uses all 8 cores.

You cannot believe how happy and excited I am.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] Ausboy 2011:
U picked the right model then ;)
[Galaxy Note 4 General] invisiblesushi:
Many people in this thread talking about that Exynos won't get any developer support,

Christopher N. Hesse (raymanfx@gmail.com) are willing to port an CM12 or any rom to Note 4 Exynos, if we could donate enough for an dev unit,

As the Note 10.1 2014 community did, and succeeded. http://xdaforums.com/galaxy-note-10-2014/general/android-5-0-offical-cm-support-t2938652

Please join the donate thread for Note 4 Exynos, http://xdaforums.com/note-4/general/donate-via-paypal-to-cyanogenmod-12-t2986964
[Galaxy Note 4 General] PockySnacks:
I actually got the snapdragon 805 variant for my mom aswell and I returned it after testing it.

The snapdragon 805 is indeed the weaker of the two.

There was noticeable stuttering when playing my 1080p Hi10p anime files.

But it was an improvement over the Snapdragon 600 from my s4 and my Nexus 7 2013.

If you want to use your phone as a movie device for your tv get the Exynos version.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] dondavis007:
It's a Samsung , stuttering is sold as a grand feature ;)

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[Galaxy Note 4 General] tploumen:
No 64-bit activation

2 things to end the discussion:

1) Exynos 5433 will NOT get 64-bit activation with Lollipop (I've heard this from a very reliable and close source, which I can't disclose).

2) Exynos isn't a better chip per se. On CPU side it is, but on GPU side the Snapdragon 805 performs a lot better.

So if you want a gaming device, definitely get the Snapdragon 805. If you want a chip that loads apps a fraction of a second faster get the Exynos.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] tmac31:
1st 64 bit its possible that they wont enable it.

2nd s805 pass exynos in gpu benchmarks with like 5%. And i didnt see a single game works better on s805. So stop giving advices before trying
[Galaxy Note 4 General] tploumen:
1) They won't. Reason: it would be unfair to users in regions where the Snapdragon 805 is sold. Samsung solved the demand for 64-bit by producing a new Note 4 variant with Snapdragon 810 64-bit.

2) If you know all the bechmarks results (Antutu, Geekbench, Ice Storm etc.) you can only conclude that it's a lot more than 5%. There is even a Chinese comparison video on youtube that shows the FPS in heavy games between the two chips. Look it up and draw your conclusions.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] tmac31:
s810 variant is exynos 5433 its wrong search for it. Samsung said its exynos 5433 with new cat9 samsung modem. And last experiments showed samsung doesnt care for differences in variants. Like last year for no 4k video on exynos. S3 exynos didnt get 4.4 update etc. samsung just dont care about it. If im not wrong bootloader is already 64 bit and they are working o a 64 bit kernel atm.

Ye i saw even i saw latest scores cuz my friend has s805 . Antutu shows 15500 gpu score for exynos 16200 for s805. Geekbench is cpu test. Gfxbench shows 17.5 exynos 18 s805. Gamebench shows all games runs with higher fps on exynos too so its 5% to 10. So you can decide whatever you want.

Ps:1 more thing s800 note 3 had 2x better scores than exynos note 3 and it didnt run any game better. Arm gpus always have optimization bonus on games.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] Azcaron:
Oh my god, these are great news for us! ( Exynos owners) I hope :)

Will it be possible to port (64bit enabled) in to Exy. Note 4 if they just knock it off and leave us with 32bit? If this *new* Exynos will be very similar to the 5433? I wonder.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] tmac31:
Well they didny launch it as 64 bit too and its runing android 4.4.4 like others. But if they enable 64 bit for 5433 all variants will be 64 bit im sure
[Galaxy Note 4 General] iba21:
Guyz.. 2 things:

1) why you would have 64bit if ram is of 3mb???

2) why you create those unsense posts?
[Galaxy Note 4 General] Azcaron:
Guy, 2 things:

1) Because a 64-bit processor has other benefits than just the fact that it can work with more than 4 GB of RAM.

2) We are interested in it and we want it - because: 1) :) Like a lot other Exynos users out there.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] fixfox2:
The cpu might be 64 bit but the memory bus is ... 2x 32-bit @ 825MHz

13.2GB/s b/w. ( which is slower than the older 5422, and 5430).

So the memory will be a huge bottleneck in a 64bit (Lollipop) OS.

Reference
[Galaxy Note 4 General] Hannah Stern:
Camera Sensors

The Exynos Variant #Note 4 (and Note Edge) have the Samsung's ISOCELL-Sensor as known from S5.

Advantages:

Higher Speed

1000 Burst shots in row (theoretically ALSO possible with Sony-Sensor) The Qualcomm's Snapdragon Note only can do 30/Row

Better Photo Quality in Edges

The one with Snapdragon has got a Sony-Sensor which is also Good.

Better Photo Quality in the Center of the Picture

4k-Video almost as good as FƵ1000 and

FDR-AX100É

in Daylight-Conditions (Better than Exynos-Sensor)

Superb (in Comparrison to Other Smartphones) LowLight Video - less detail Loss - even better than Oppo Find 7!

##1 Video Camcorder - Better than Xperia Ƶ3/ƶ3 Compact#
[Galaxy Note 4 General] SLMI:
The thing that you don't know is both are Sony imx240 sensors, there was a firmware mistake that shows the sensor as samsung s5 isocell sensor because of features based on s5, later it get fixed and they're both Sony sensor
[Galaxy Note 4 General] tmac31:
It should be tested on real life but we will see if they activate 64 bit. Atm everything is fine.

Check this for bandwith stuff in t760

http://www.anandtech.com/show/8234/arms-mali-midgard-architecture-explored/7
[Galaxy Note 4 General] Hannah Stern:
GSMArena Comparrison Tools

...but the Note EDGE has Isocell.

See the GSMArena-Tools to Compare.

Photo/Video
[Galaxy Note 4 General] AndreiLux:
64bit has nothing to do with bandwidth.

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No it has the same IMX240. There is no Samsung sensor in any Note 4.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] tmac31:
What do you think about trelte64 name do you think they are working on something? And i read at another forum there is a 64 bit kernel source or patch(cant remember wat was it) for 5433.ill post link if i can find it.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] AndreiLux:
I don't know if that device is a new SKU or a renamed C variant. I just find it very unlikely that they'll rename a device's name in a software update. What happens in mainline linux is irrelevant to the phone since it's not compatible.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] tmac31:
Isnt phones name is treltexx is already? Xx was hidden for 32-64 bit codename maybe? So they will change it with lollipop to trelte64 just a guess but whatever we will see what will they do in this month probably or even in ces.

Edit: sammobile shared new note 4 variant is 5433 with cat9 and shared a photo. It shows 5.0.1 and 32 bit on antutu. But they launched it as 4.4.4. Can antutu fully understand spec of phones?

http://www.sammobile.com/2014/12/28...-january-in-south-korea/#.VKaTCZOrA68.twitter

http://global.samsungtomorrow.com/s...nced-tri-band-carrier-aggregation-smartphone/
[Galaxy Note 4 General] AndreiLux:
The xx is irrelevant, that's just the product name in the build prop saying it's an EUR open version. The device's name is trelte for C and H, trhplte for U and trlte for Qualcomm versions.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] Hannah Stern:
[camera] ([videocorder])

...i think there is.

Also the Results from GSMArena are different, so i think so.

But you're more likely right. ;) ‼ :svetius:
[Galaxy Note 4 General] AndreiLux:
It's not about likeliness, you can go into the device's firmware and check the sensor. And I'm not talking about the wrong String that all these sites are falsely basing their stuff upon.

The difference in image quality come from probably the ISP and encoders of the SoCs.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] iba21:
Wow.. you will earn some little boost in some situations, even when in the most of the time you wont use cpu at 100% of cpu load..

A 64bit + less than 4gb of ram = less ram space for data, it has less ram, and less cache too..

So.. i really don't think why you really would have the 64bit in that note4..

Anyway you have the 64bit arch witch loads 32bit istructions, you still have the benefit of that new hardware arch
[Galaxy Note 4 General] jvtrigo:
So why does Apple use an ArmV8 64bit chip with only 1gb of RAM?
[Galaxy Note 4 General] iba21:
Because those are apple and apple fans too
[Galaxy Note 4 General] jvtrigo:
That's how nonsense your comment is. Stop saying what you think it is and go do some homework.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] iba21:
Well would you have a real pure answer?

Because when someone sell a product, it's not important what is that product but what people think it is..

So.. in this case, apple had to put out something new witch could illude normal common owners, why?

Simply, if you don't know how chip works, and what is the difference between 32 and 64bit code, you will se only 2 things:

1) 64 is double than 32.. so.. it's better because it's bigger..

2) apple is the first company witch sells phones with 64bit arch, so, for the common people, that company are better than others.

Why apple had to do it? Because it did it with retina, now 200€ china phone has more ppi than an iphone.. so, retina it's not the top.. m8 has a better audio.. simply, competitor has more hardware "possibility" for common users..

That'a the only thing

In the actual situation the iphone 6 has a 64bit 3cores (if i don't say a stupid thing) with 1MB of cache and 1GB of ram

Why that? Because apple will be able to sell an iphone 7 with the same chip akd 2gb of ram..

For common users it's only a commercial trick to get more pubblicity for that product, so, consumers could buy thay phone because it's famouse, it has a famouse logo, and they suppouse it's better than competitors

Stop..

If you don't think it is real, go to pc shops and look in the catalogue, now all pc with 64bit arch have 4GB or more of ram, and cpus has 3MB or more of L2 cache size..

If ram and cache are not important for the 64bit, you'll see a pc with 250MB of sdram and 500KB of caches

And.. cache misses everywhere

If you know what are cache miss you know why 64bit needs more memory.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] AndreiLux:
WTF are you even spewing around... so much nonsense.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] domy1985:
And now...how is the future for note 4 with snapdragon 805?

Do you think in one year somebody will buy this device without 64 bit :)

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[Galaxy Note 4 General] EP2008:
I'll be happy with the Snapdragon version, which is the standard North American model. Regardless, either one will blow away my Note 2's performance :laugh::good:
[Galaxy Note 4 General] darklord69:
Well, Hong Kong will have the Exynos 5433 for Note 4... only the Note Edge will have the S805....
[Galaxy Note 4 General] CLARiiON:
805 with Adreno 420 gets around 42fps in T-Rex and around 18fps in Manhattan offscreen.

Rockchip RK3288 also used Mali T760. It has a 4 core @ 600Mhz.

RK3288 gets around 10.4fps in Manhattan offscreen. We know GPU is clocked @ 700Mhz. To have a similar performance from Exynos, it will need MP6.

So, I think Samsung will have a Mali-T760 MP6 GPU [MENTION=282156]700[/MENTION] Mhz. It can go upto MP16. Just imagine what it would be if MP16 is used (phone catching fire is an option!). At around MP10, it would probably cross K1 GPU.

All assuming no bottleneck due to memory bus and consistent scaling.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] Lodix:
Indeed Anandtech showed that Mali 760 MP10 was very close to Tegra K1 in raw power but I think it was clocked in a lower frequency... We will see.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] Andrewtst:
Now I wonder got mistake or not all the thought.

The Korean edition box is label as N910S not N910C which is Exynos 5433.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] alexcarterkarsus:
according to geekbench, n910s is indeed powered by 5433
[Galaxy Note 4 General] Andrewtst:
Means all thought previously is wrong.

N910S is Exynos 5433.

So those getting N910C is actually Snapdragon 805 edition, include my country Malaysia.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] alexcarterkarsus:
no, n910c is also powered by 5433
[Galaxy Note 4 General] Pako7:
this very strange.. possibly Samsung changed the plans for the models and processors on its ?
[Galaxy Note 4 General] Andrewtst:
Then Snapdragon is what model number?
[Galaxy Note 4 General] alexcarterkarsus:
N910f, surely
[Galaxy Note 4 General] Andrewtst:
Oh... In this case, maybe N910S is CAT6, N910C is CAT4, and both Exynos. Hmm.

Wait Singapore release is what model then as Singapore is advertising as 4G+ which means confirm is LTE6 but not sure is S805 or Exynos yet. Korean N910S is Exynos but CAT6 as it label as LTE-A.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] AndreiLux:
S,L,K are Korean cat6, C,U are Russian, Asian cat4, H is international 3G.

The rest are S805's.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] xvital:
should i trust this seller ?

he said that he sell the exynos edition, but i am really not sure if i can trust what he said

http://www.amazon.com/Samsung-SM-N9...id=1411757513&sr=8-1&keywords=note+4+unlocked
[Galaxy Note 4 General] Lodix:
Then I am getting russian version, it seems they have the same LTE bands as my country.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] A-Alzayani:
I updated the post, to warn users that (SM-N910S) might be Exynos and not Snapdragon

If only Samsung can communicate with the community directly, we are Samsung most passionate users, and we deserve clear unambiguous informations.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] CLARiiON:
This is what I found in a Taiwan forum, probably 1st time Samsung publicly acknowledging Exynos 5433.

I think some info is like 64-bit, 20nm, 8 cores etc., Can anyone read other info given in this slide.

For whatever it's worth, a Antutu result.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] AndreiLux:
Looks like the GPU is a MP6. A little tad slower than the 420 in benchmarks. But it looks like efficiency went way up over the T6XX's.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] Lodix:
I think the Note 4 in the russian version is under throttling because even the Mali T628MP6 gives very similar results at 600MHz.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] CLARiiON:
This is what is mentioned for Exynos 5433, 15% less than A8. I think Samsung will increase the core count for upcoming Exynos 7420. If this is really a 14nm as speculated, then GS6 will be a considerable jump compared to GS5.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] Azcaron:
You know, not everyone is like us, I'd say that we're the odd minority of fools. There are lots of BFU just concerned that if it's Samsung or Apple, and they practically stolen, what kind of processor the phone has.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] domy1985:
I really like the device but the 64 bit story is disappointing (because currently the transition takes place)

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[Galaxy Note 4 General] iba21:
If there aren't space in cache, and core needs some code witch isn't stored in cache, core needs to compile other code (by out of.order ex)..

You know what i was meaning

64bit uses more memory for the bit storage.. you know it too

If there is too less cache and ram core couldn't find.the next istruction and system performance slows down.. ypu know it too

One user sad why iphone has 1mb of L2 cache and 1gb of ram..

It's unusefull to have an octacore with good arch and hight freq witch have too less cache.. even if there are very good cache prefetcing..

Anyway those are nonsense words..
[Galaxy Note 4 General] AndreiLux:
Beyond the fact that Apple's SoC's have a gigantic 4MB L3 cache and their memory architecture is much superior to ARM's in terms of bandwidth...

Cache addressing has nothing to do with main memory addressing and there is no overhead.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] tmac31:
What do you think antutu shows 32 bit for 5.0.1 on new exynos variant 64 bit is done for 5433 or is it possible antutu cant proparly understand info of device or samsung maybe give fully 64 bit os later.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] AndreiLux:
Antutu shows correctly. It just means it's still 32bit.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] RISHI RAJ:
Micromax yureka is 64 bit having only 2gb ram running Cyanogen
[Galaxy Note 4 General] Hannah Stern:
Beat 40.000 in AnTuTu

Hi, everyone.

Here are the Scores of AnTuTu.

Before Note 4 Release:

Exýnos Chip: 41.680

Snapdragon: 38.622

After

Release Date:

Exynos: 46k

Snapdragon S805: 42k

K means Kilô (1000) (Thousend)

That time, Snapdragon S600 was also a good one ;) - Theoretically the Galaxy S4 could Record 1440p-Video!
[Galaxy Note 4 General] fixfox2:
which part of antutu shows 32 bit?
[Galaxy Note 4 General] iba21:
4mb.. i really didn't know it.. really..

That's different..

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Asus fonepad 8 has x64 and 1gb of ram

:D

My girlfriend have one of that, it's fast, but, apps refreshes too times.. everytime you open browser, all refreshed (not launcher)

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@andreilux

Do you prefere an octa cortex 64bit or the architecture of apple's chip?
[Galaxy Note 4 General] domy1985:
Hi, just a question which can surely be answered by the proofs here :)

64 bit apps will not work on 32 bit processors correct?

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[Galaxy Note 4 General] iba21:
Correct.. cpu needs 64bit registryes to compile 64bit istructions..
[Galaxy Note 4 General] domy1985:
It's not nice ... :) 32 Bit phones without future :P

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[Galaxy Note 4 General] tmac31:
32 bit cpu cant run 64 bit app. It doesnt mean apps will support 64 bit only.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] iba21:
Well i don't think programmers will switch direct to 64bit code in near future..

as my opinion.. you will have a pure complete 64bit in 5-10 years..

Look at pc.. we are in 2015.. my first 64bit cpu was an athlon 3200+ venice bought in 2005.. after 10 years some apps are still in 32bit...

Not all os are pure 64bit
[Galaxy Note 4 General] domy1985:
But even cheaper phones will have 64 bit and so in near future there is not the need for 32 bit apps

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[Galaxy Note 4 General] tmac31:
well iphone apps will be all 64 bit in this year but. It doesnt mean iphone 5 which has 32 bit cpu wont be able to run them.