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[Galaxy Note 4 General] dazed1:
How do they differ? same cores, and very similar frequency?
[Galaxy Note 4 General] POLO_i780:
Lol, don't bother mate, the 64bit hype that Apple created has got to many, just sitback and be amused, the Apple hype machine gets everyone one way or another, they made 64bit a bigger deal than it really is and now even those who are not Apple fans or users are singing to Apple's tune :D it amazes me everytime.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] AndreiLux:
There's a lot of nonsense on many sites. And what does the modem have to do with the SoC? It's not integrated.

The 7420 has been upstreamed for almost 2 months now, it's a LPDDR4 chip with higher clocks. Probably also fatter GPU.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] tmac31:
5433 Is 7410. 7420 will probably have higher clocked cpu, mali t760 gpu with more cores,lpddr4 memory and 14 nm process and different modem too.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] -Sweeper_:
Thanks for the input Andrei. Kudos to them if they manage to get a 14nm FF flagship SoC out till April.

Any guess on the final clockspeed for the A57 cores? 1.8GHz for A53s is quite a bit higher than 1.3/1.56GHz (Exynos 5433/S810), perhaps 2.1-2.3GHz for the A57 cores?

Mali T760MP8 @ 750MHz / Mali T760MP10 @ 600MHz would be a good match.

There's a lot of Exynos 5433/7410 DNA there, I hope they release full Android 5.0 64-bit for our Note 4 Exynos devices at some point in the future. :good:
[Galaxy Note 4 General] Log[]:
Thx Andrei for the clarification. I thought this could be possible because nvidia is doing this all the time (rebranding) :) i hope for 64 bit too on our notes :).
[Galaxy Note 4 General] rulala:
3GB RAM , Is it LPDDR3 or LPDDR4 ?

because 7420 support LPDDR4 memory ...

I can not remember When samsung has 3GB RAM with LPDDR4 memory ?

I only heard 4GB RAM with LPDDR4 memory.

If samsung use 3GB LPDDR3 RAM for S6. It is a pity.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] cmd512:
14nm is insane, will probably ditch the Note 4 if that happens.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] bala_gamer:
hehe , almost same here, but one more criteria i would like to see is samsung ditching snapdragon in favor of exynos globally.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] SirCanealot:
I'd be really suprised if 14nm will be ready for the S6. 20nm was ready literally just in time for Note 4/Galaxy Alpha/iPhone 6 :)

Would be a REALLY nice surprise though! If 14nm is similar to the 32nm-28nm jump we got fairly quickly... :D
[Galaxy Note 4 General] iba21:
Guyz.. how nerds are you??

1st) 14nm.. the main problem of the actual tecnologic situation is the marketing.. there is only one chip build in 20nm, are you really sure samsung and other will leave it for the 14nm??

In my opinion, the 14nm finfet will be avaible only on 2016

2nd) you have a working octa hmp at 20nm with good freq, with 3.10 kernel (traduct the new scheduler witch uses gts as it's own logic) the new ARMv8 with AArch32 and 3gb of ram, what would you have more now?? 64bit? For what?

Because since 64 = 32 x 2 it's not meaning phone have a 2x boost!!

And, this is my personal experience, i'm still on a nexus 5 with android L, and ART over that L is the most powerfull trick to use to boost all fluidity, it's more fluid than the iphone.. so.. you may hope samsung will release it soon, not only the 64bit upgrade!!

Octa armv8 + big little + new kernel + lollipop = top phone ever

S810 will be better? Sure

S820 will be better too

Exy 7420 will be better.. the 7422 7430 7433 will be better to.. that's not means you will reach the perfection, but only you will have more hardware, stop

14nm? And after the FF??
[Galaxy Note 4 General] Galuszka:
Guys!

I am thinking about Note 4 purchase, but x64 mode is very important for me. So I decided to choose 910C (Exynos) version, but unfortunately, Samsung lock this device on 32-bit mode.

Is there any chance, that Exynos Note 4 will get 64-bit mode on Android 5.0?

What do you think about that:

http://www.mail-archive.com/linux-samsung-soc@vger.kernel.org/msg39499.html

http://www.mail-archive.com/linux-samsung-soc@vger.kernel.org/msg39710.html

http://www.mail-archive.com/linux-samsung-soc@vger.kernel.org/msg39506.html

https://lkml.org/lkml/2014/11/27/308

http://www.spinics.net/lists/linux-samsung-soc/msg39819.html

https://lkml.org/lkml/2014/12/2/413

Any proofs?

Second question: if Galaxy S6 SoC will be similar to Note 4 Exynos, is there any possibility to use S6 kernel to implement x64 on Note 4? What you think about that, guys?
[Galaxy Note 4 General] gekkehenkie11:
That's going to be the day I'm not buying Samsung anymore, I'm not interested in a closed sources phone.

BTW, Cyanogenmod 12 - Android Lollipop release for Snapdragon is out :) http://xdaforums.com/note-4-tmobile/development/unoffcial-cm-12-0-t-mobile-note-4-t2964887
[Galaxy Note 4 General] velimr:
closed source?!? ok, whatever..
[Galaxy Note 4 General] bala_gamer:
ya,it might be closed as far as aosp development is concerned when it comes to exynos. Its not like impossible its still doable, but needs more time, devices like s2, s3 exynos variant has cm12 ports even before our device ;)

and thanks for that link mate
[Galaxy Note 4 General] pedodroid:
Galaxy S4 Exynos also has CM12 with almost everything working.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] Galuszka:
Guys, what do you think about those emails:

http://www.mail-archive.com/linux-samsung-soc@vger.kernel.org/msg39499.html

http://www.mail-archive.com/linux-samsung-soc@vger.kernel.org/msg39710.html

http://www.mail-archive.com/linux-samsung-soc@vger.kernel.org/msg39506.html

https://lkml.org/lkml/2014/11/27/308

http://www.spinics.net/lists/linux-samsung-soc/msg39819.html

https://lkml.org/lkml/2014/12/2/413

Any proofs?

Second question: if Galaxy S6 SoC will be similar to Note 4 Exynos, is there any possibility to use S6 kernel to implement x64 on Note 4? What you think about that, guys?
[Galaxy Note 4 General] Toss3:
Lesson number 1 when it comes to buying anything: NEVER EVER buy anything based on something the product may get in the future for which there is no proof - buy it only if it meets your needs as is at the time of purchase. That way you will never get disappointed because of something the manufacturer never promised, and everyone will be better off.

At this time only the engineers over at Samsung know what they are planning on doing in regards to the 64-bit kernel for the Note 4 and Lollipop (and that could get scrapped if the marketing dept would get the notion that it would piss the snapdragon customers off and result in worse customer satisfaction, or if they thought it would result in more app-incompatibilities and again worse customer satisfaction and more complaints).

So the only thing we know right now is that the 910C is the fastest (in terms of raw speed) Android phone out there right now, and only until we start seeing snapdragon 810/Exynos 7420 phones is it going to be outperformed. And this is true regardless of whether the phone gets 64-bit support or not.

As for your second question: I doubt it as the SoCs themselves appear to be quite different.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] iba21:
And i'd want to add.. 64bit with less than 4gb of ram is unusefull!!

You gain little speed, but you have to remember cpu load goes to 100% in rare cases.. so.. what do you change if a normal task uses 60% of maxfreq in 32bit and 50% in 64bit?????

And you lose a lot of ram since 64bit needs more ram for the same data

So.. or more than 4gb or unusefull
[Galaxy Note 4 General] Galuszka:
So thanks to those emails we gain insight into Note 4 development process? We could predict that engineers over at Samsung are working on x64 for Exynos 5433?
[Galaxy Note 4 General] Toss3:
You'd think with the instant access we have to information people would bother to research and learn before posting, but no - we are forced to read the same fallacies being spouted over and over again, just because of some incompetent "journalist" wrote something on some blog.

There is a boatload of information written by knowledgeable people on this subject, so I think you ought to really try to assimilate what they are saying and stop posting so much misinformation that only adds to the noise that is the Internet these days.

Comparison between 32-bit and 64-bit on the iPhone 5s: http://www.anandtech.com/show/7335/the-iphone-5s-review/4

More information about 64-bit in layman's terms: http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2002/03/an-introduction-to-64-bit-computing-and-x86-64/

Information about ArmV8 from ARM themselves: http://www.arm.com/files/downloads/armv8_architecture.pdf
[Galaxy Note 4 General] iba21:
I don't think if it's an usefull post or not..

Well.. you compare the x86 with the armv7...

Wow...

Why pc switches to the x64?

Because PAE cant extend windows limits

X64 has advantages in some operations, like double precision..

And sure.. you post a link of the difference of the iphone soc.. well iphone is not a cortex..

and as you could know, the 64bit could have more hardware libreries than the 32bit

Would you have the most of the datasheet? Well, i'd want a perfect phone witch have pure fluidity and good battery
[Galaxy Note 4 General] gekkehenkie11:
Yeah you can get to 'almost everything' but there will always be problems. I helped out fixing CM11 on S4 Exynos. Before I stepped in, phone quality was horrible, battery drained and wakeup/resume times were awful. I then went on reverse engineering original ROM to find out what's going on. That's something that's quite difficult cause you need to be able to understand assembler and almost no devs do. Besides that, it's a lot of work. Therefore development on Exynos will always suck and that's the reason you wont ever see a 'stable' release for the Note 4 Exynos. With Exynos, it's best to just forget about custom ROM's and just try to make the best out of Touchwiz (tweak kernel, debloat Samsung spam etc)
[Galaxy Note 4 General] pedodroid:
Why don't you just get a Nexus 6 if stock Android is a necessity to you. Nexus 6 has quick charging, 32gb/64gb capacity,OIS, and exactly the same specs as the Note 4. You obviously don't need or use the S-Pen or all the other Samsung enhancements, so why waste your time with porting CM/Stock Android to the Note 4 instead of just buying the Nexus 6 and enjoy Stock Android from the get-go.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] dazed1:
Bump, does anyone have (or know) of any direct camera comparison of the S805 vs 5433?
[Galaxy Note 4 General] DirtyUsb_Port:
Haha "camera compassion"
[Galaxy Note 4 General] gekkehenkie11:
Nah, Nexus display is worse than Note 4, no sdcard slot and some other issue's like battery life and nand performance although these might be lollipop related (nand performance was mainly due to encryption anyway). And besides that, it's still pretty hard to buy simlock free at the moment, always out of stock: http://www.motorola.com/us/consumers/nexus-6-header/Nexus-6/nexus-6-motorola-us.html
[Galaxy Note 4 General] dazed1:
Fixed, typing on phone :D
[Galaxy Note 4 General] Clippernote:
Hi just got mine its a SM-N910U? I think its a Exynos anyone know?

Jay

:confused:
[Galaxy Note 4 General] velimr:
yes, it is.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] Clippernote:
Thanks its rapid compared to my HTC Still learning how to use it, but very fast indeedie!

Its sad when your phone is better than your home computer :D
[Galaxy Note 4 General] Nuu~:
Just because it has more cores doesn't mean it's faster.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] Clippernote:
You don't know how old my computer is? :p

My Casio calculator is faster than my computer :D

Spent some time playing and its just a super bit of kit, not sure if its worth the premium Samsung is asking, but compared to dual core Appley its good to know if any future software updates it can handle the extra load I'm guessing :)
[Galaxy Note 4 General] bean12147:
AndreiLux what do you think will happen when Lollipop comes along? Will samsung limit our soc to 32 bit for their own reasons or make the jump to 64 bit?
[Galaxy Note 4 General] Kit:
[MENTION=1333543]bean12147[/MENTION]

I hate to be that guy but I really feel for Andrei who takes his time to reply to the same question over and over. If you use search you will see this has been talked about to death.

It seams highly unlikely note 4 exynos will receive 64

Bit, there is so many reasons not to do it from samsung pov imo. Why upset us market and snapdragon users and wast time and money on an already released product.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] Clippernote:
Do they even make 64bit apps?

I know the computers that are 6-7 years old that had 64bit OS and they still use 32bit programs to run on.

Thats why software takes time to catch upto hardware.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] herandy:
Most android apps that are built using Java don't need to be changed. They are already 64-bit ready :)
[Galaxy Note 4 General] megatooth:
This is insane: Snapdragon 810-powered Galaxy Note 4 :confused:
[Galaxy Note 4 General] tmac31:
Samsung wants note 4 with 64 bit i think. If s810 comes for note 4 im pretty much sure they will unlock 64 bit for exynos version too.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] hiimimtayaz:
And what will happen with snapdragon 805 guys???? I don't think Samsung won't create any disparity among its flagship devices of same year. That's a big block although I would be happy if they do so since I got exynos. Hehehe
[Galaxy Note 4 General] JiffyReturns:
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[Galaxy Note 4 General] tmac31:
Nothing difference from today for them will be just dont having 64 bit support. Its not a big deal and im sure samsung wont sell s810 on everywhere.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] hiimimtayaz:
I suppose they will limit Note 4 (810) to Korea itself.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] exclass:
Samsung better not release note 4 with SD 810 if they don't want to push their customers away from buying their flagships. And I am sure that official support for Note 4 will differ very much depending on the chipset. They will probably leave the Note 4 with SD 805 behind.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] nikzDHD:
It will probably be a Korea only LTE-A version as they usually do. S6 will most likely be there first 810 international device.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] iba21:
Here with my n910c TOO!!
[Galaxy Note 4 General] Lodix:
Congratulations :P
[Galaxy Note 4 General] iba21:
:D:D:D
[Galaxy Note 4 General] gekkehenkie11:
I finally got CM12 up and running on 910F snapdragon :) Still some work to do but I can already tell, what a speed difference it makes !! Everything is just so fluid now !! :) Finally it feels like the phone lives up to its specs. And shame on you Samsung, for creating such a horrible interface.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] lawtq:
Good news! And have to agree, you need a rocket ship engine to power touchwhiz smoothly lol although I don't hate it at all. I'll give apple their props, why put expensive state of the art equipment into your phone's when they run smooth on 2 year old much cheaper technology.

Samsung getting it right slowly though
[Galaxy Note 4 General] heero01:
Look at the s4 and s5 they don't mind dropping upgrades .
[Galaxy Note 4 General] yahyoh:
good job , but can u stop bashing samsung ? like for real every post for u it has to contain ( tw is crap , tw is slow , tw is... etc)

and IMO buying N4 then installing AOSP on it like buying BMW and replacing its engine with kia engine
[Galaxy Note 4 General] -Sweeper_:
Galaxy A7 will be powered by Exynos 5433: http://www.sammobile.com/2014/12/10/exclusive-here-are-the-specs-of-the-samsung-galaxy-a7/

1.8/1.3GHz and 2GB RAM. Considering Galaxy A3 and A5 pack 64-bit Snapdragon 410 SoCs, it wouldn't make sense to limit the more expensive A7 to 32-bit. I think sooner or later Exynos 5433 should have 64-bit. :good:
[Galaxy Note 4 General] Lodix:
The A5 and A3 have 64bit CPUs but they are running on 32bit.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] -Sweeper_:
They are running KitKat, lets see what Samsung will do when they update them to Lollipop. If A3 and A5 support Android 5.0 64-bit then the more expensive Exynos-based A7 better support it too.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] astoncheah:
well said. each time he posted here tend to mention himself for how good he had hacked some big company software or how good he had fixed some exynos bugs previously, and bashing tw to promote his AOSP.

i stopped using AOSP long time ago when i realized the tw has been improved so much, the camera picture quality is so good, the camera dual shots/video is so useful which i use a lot in my holiday trips, the multiwindow is so useful, the spen taking notes/screen shots, the screen mirroring to my samsung smart tv and so many unique features which AOSP cannot offer or i doubt it will.

what i need is a good kernel to optimize the sound mod, screen color, cpu performance... now patiently waiting to try out pursues kernel from Andre:).

NEVER for AOSP until they are able to include all the unique features tw offer.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] yahyoh:
there we go

[YOUTUBE]DV2X51kAVfc[/YOUTUBE]

im really impressed :D , the LMK seems killing apps too early tho ? or no enough ram ? :eek:
[Galaxy Note 4 General] tmac31:
c

On note 4 after 2.4gb ram usage lmk starts killing everything. Art reduce ram usage and stock android always use less ram.. But it shows that im right that note 4 exynos is really fast. Its faster than my 6 plus.

Ps: stock browser of note 4 use alot of ram too like 300-400 mb.But its faster than chrome.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] pikul:
Im pretty happy with my note exynos, i havent had any issues with touchwiz, some lag maybe here or there with recents but nothing major, i actually dont hate it, after using sense and stock android for a long time i though i was gonna be dessapointed from reading a lot of people saying that touchwiz is crap, but seriously i cant say anything bad about, maybe just that i like to use a different desktop grid so i can fit more on my screen, wich its the reason i install Nova launcher, anyways im glad i went with the exynos version :)

I know benchmarks mean nothing in daily usage performance but heres my score in antutu with my Note 4 H variant on stock rom no root or anything besides running Nova, i dont want to loose waranty yet lol

Sent from my Galaxy NOTE 4
[Galaxy Note 4 General] SAVVAS.:
[MENTION=1869522]pikul[/MENTION] and to Everybody, Recents button does not lag.

It is pre-configured by Samsung to work like that as it has 2 functions/actions

. Fast press and it will show the recent apps and long press to make it work like the "old function showing options". That's why when you press it the recent apps doesn't appear instantaneously because it waits to see if you are going for long press and thus decide and choose to execute options rather than recent apps.

As for Exynos Note 4 performance, I have to agree with you, it is very fast ,definitely quite better than my previous SD800 Note 3:D Battery life is better but not by much.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] Nuu~:
Are you serious? Like, really?

If Samsung, for some reason I absolutely can't imagine, really decided to add that delay on purpose then how does it happen that the menu opens almost instantly after you open it a few times in a row?

Is there a bug in the internal menu button delay hardware clock timer? That would be really unfortunate. Especially for a highly anticipated feature like this.

Also, why the hell would I long-press again after I already took my finger off the button?
[Galaxy Note 4 General] cmd512:
AOSP's a damn joke with all the features you lose.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] tmac31:
No it definetly lags. After 1st press it becomes instant for me.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] SAVVAS.:
I was perfectly clear, try to read again what I said and try to replicate it. And I tried 10 times pressing the button, always 1" delay, it wasn't instant after many times of using it as you have told. I considered it a normal procedure as that button has 2 functions, short press and long press. What about S5 does it also have a delay and 2 functions? If no , then our Note 4 lags.

---------- Post added at 09:43 AM ---------- Previous post was at 09:39 AM ----------

SM-N910C ANK5 everybody stock here. Always 0.5"-1" delay, never instant. If you long press it, do you have the options menu or still it shows recents?
[Galaxy Note 4 General] tmac31:
Options. Mine is on nk5 too. But if i dont press it like 2-3 hours it takes 0.5 sec delay to start animation. But after that every press animation starts instant.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] djeddieone:
I just got my hands on the SM-N910C running Exynos 5433 I tried going into download mode to root the phone and the menu is in asian language not sure if it's thai or chinese or what but I'm not sure what option to choose to go into download mode does anyone have this phone that might help?
[Galaxy Note 4 General] velimr:
uhm, this?

http://xdaforums.com/note-4/general/beware-fake-galaxy-note-4-t2969304

:(
[Galaxy Note 4 General] jocman7:
Pirst impression

I finally received the SM-N910C. After the first interaction I have in terms of fluidity compared with N910X (demo version Snapdragon 805) it is much better. I keep fingers crossed that cuts elsewhere as expected. :D
[Galaxy Note 4 General] jvtrigo:
Just want to say to those that are thinking about buying the exynos variant, go ahead and do it. I have also the N910C running on stock TW and this devil os fast. I have had previously a S5 snap 801 and a S3 LTE all running CM11 and the difference is absurd.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] JiffyReturns:
http://www.gsmarena.com/galaxy_note_4_spotted_with_a_snapdragon_810_soc-news-10469.php. And tomorrow I'm receiving my N910C. My balls ache now.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] sephkateno:
I really don't know which one to buy I already have a note 3 qualcomm but there are some games that have problems like galaxy on fire 2 hd and some other games I don't remember their names some shader problems and I hear that it is a common issue with the gpu drivers or something on note 3 I also tested the game on lg g2 which has the same gpu and the problem was there too tomorrow I'm gonna test a note 4 quad core to see if the gpu bugs are still present this is my reason to to prefer more the octa core right now although I hear the adreno on note 4 is better than the mali any help here guys can someone post their thoughts on this? Or better yet test galaxy on fire 2 hd on a note 4 quad core to check if there are any bugs?
[Galaxy Note 4 General] shinasurada:
For those who have owned both the n910c and n910f, how does the wolfson dac compare to the qualcomm dac? When i tried the n910 the volume output was awfully low, had to crank it up to 9/10. Also, the quality wasn't comparable at all to the iphone6+ i had with me at the time.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] -Sweeper_:
Any update on when the Exynos vs Snapdragon comparison article is going to be published Andrei? :D
[Galaxy Note 4 General] gekkehenkie11:
Hehehe I really just love all those sour reactions from 910C users who are condemned to use Touchwiz. It's quite funny how you have an ultra fast CPU and your interface still runs slow :p Everybody is soooo happy with all those theoretical benchmarks where 910C comes out on top and then they have to turn to a slow and laggy interface, where snapdragon users have an extremely speedy, blazing fast Lollipop interface, haha, gotta love the irony in that :D

Anyway enjoy all your 'features' on that slow and laggy Touchwiz (with fast CPU ! LOL) and better get used to it. because AOSP for 910C will take a LOOOONG time (and when it's out it's going to be buggy like hell and a stable release will NEVER happen).
[Galaxy Note 4 General] cmd512:
You must be smoking something special, none of us are having any touchwiz "issues running slow." Compared to the AOSP ROMs out there, any purported lag you're claiming is peanuts compared to the massive loss in features / functions in AOSP ROMs.

Again, to each their own. But seriously, keep telling yourself whatever you need to cry yourself to sleep at night, it's laughable for any of us who have actually bothered with AOSP.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] gekkehenkie11:
Of course aosp is laughable if you have an exynos based device. Samsung will never ever release needed source code to make a stable aosp port. Samsung makes money by pushing tons of bloatware to you guys of course they won't give that up. Anyway enjoy your benchmarks while snapdragon users will actually enjoy using the device