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[Galaxy Note 4 General] midreestaj:
Noticed that in LP. Yesterday tested RR3 it abruptly shut down two times on my face without even giving Force Close message. Menus in the game were lagging and I was astonished to see such a bad performance as it ran merely around 30 fps ? Couldnt believe it was same RR3 I ran before on KK

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Having choice to run AOSP/CM is a good option but not as good as it may seem for a device like Galaxy Note series. It's simple... you loose the glare & the glory of it.. It feels like castrating the Note and turning it into a Noteless identity complex :D

Plus 1 to my friend who was too fond of AOSP recently sold his Note 4 and bought a Nexus 5... I mean he did right and its justified as long as he prefers AOSP over any other overlay. I say get a LG G2 its a very good device for development after Nexus
[Galaxy Note 4 General] OctopussY:
Here it is. What do you get?
[Galaxy Note 4 General] tmac31:
Thx my 910c on stock 5.0
[Galaxy Note 4 General] Lodix:
T-Rex scores have increased in LP from what I see.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] midreestaj:
Similar scores here. Stock LP stock kernel
[Galaxy Note 4 General] SLMI:
Well bro, then get ready to suprise, cuz its 32 bit, its on 5.0.2 on the exynos 5433 and its still 32 bit

http://browser.primatelabs.com/geekbench3/1967318
[Galaxy Note 4 General] -Sweeper_:
I wouldn't discard it yet, the retail versions will most likely ship with a newer Touchwiz-Android version. Locking it to 32-bit while cheaper competitors based on Mediatek/Qualcomm support 64-bit is plain dumb.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] Lodix:
Last year they sold the tabs S with the older Exynos 5420 and not with the HMP enabled Exynos 5422 so I would not be very surprised if they released it without 64bit support.

Samsung doesn't seem to be very focused on the power of their tablets.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] bondro:
I am swapping from N910C to N910F right now due to AOSP experience too :)
[Galaxy Note 4 General] -Sweeper_:
Even if 64-bit doesnt bring much to the table in terms of better performance it will probably be a selling point for those buying a brand new tablet this year, people dont replace tablets as often as they buy new phones. It's all about marketing. Soon there will be quite a few ~$100 Android tablets with quad-core A53s running 64-bit Lollipop. People with some technical knowledge like us might understand that (right now) having 64-bit support doesn't mean much, but as soon as the average joe realizes that a $400-500 iPad competitor misses a feature that cheapo Mediatek/Allwiner tablet alternatives possess, things could get ugly.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] Lodix:
I repeat again myself XD

Samsung almost never put the best hardware to their tablets, they don't care.

And the selling point of the Tab S series is the screen. They sold it with an outdated chip last year and they will do it again. They couldn't even compete with last iPad generation in SOC terms.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] SLMI:
But man even at the 2k resolution, exynos 5433 performs pretty well both cpu and gpu, i think it will perform even better at lower resolutions of the tab s2s
[Galaxy Note 4 General] Lodix:
Did I say otherwise ?? XD

The Exynos 5433 will be "outdated" by that time and it can't even compete with last year Apple A8X... Let alone A9X.

That is my point.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] -Sweeper_:
No need to repeat yourself, I didnt say I disagree. I was just pointing out that 64-bit is a selling point for 2015 high-end tablets. Even if Sammy doesnt enable 64-bit and this decision doesnt affect their sales much, IMHO its pure laziness by them and would be a bad move from a marketing POV when cheapo tablets will have it.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] Lodix:
The fact of using the Exynos 5433 says that they don't care at all about it XD
[Galaxy Note 4 General] tmac31:
Why would anybody buy an android tablet? Just waste of money. Samsung and google think that too probably.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] SLMI:
I didn't say otherwise either man, but 5433 is well enough to handle every task, also the architecture of cores are new too, if it's doing its job properly no need to compete with others
[Galaxy Note 4 General] Lodix:
"Well enough" is not enough in the tablets segment with the new Apple and Nvidia great SOCs. At least if they want to compete, because they are not very cheap...
[Galaxy Note 4 General] SLMI:
I dont get what do you expecting from a tablet, it will play games good, it will handle your daily jobs easily and these will continue for almost 2 years, what else do you want from it
[Galaxy Note 4 General] :
I owned a nexus 5, and gave it to a family memeber once I bought the note 4. I update it for him as well every now and then as he's not that tech svy. I can say that hands down, my experience with AOSP has been better on the note 4 then on the nexus 5. just feels like more of a flagship phone with the note 4. the fact it- Nexus 5 is limited to AOSP just like Exynos varients from samsung are limited to TouchWiz. It's the same thing. with the SD 805 however, I can enjoy both world. TouchWiz + AOSP whenever I want(and I do flash touchwiz every once it awhile and I enjoy it..then when I miss AOSP, flash it and vice versa)--> and that is why I chose android in the first place. for more choice.

the funny things about your comment is that it shows how youre a hypocric in this subject. it seems like you got offended and tried to defend your exynos purchase with all cost. well, think again about what you said. genuinely think about it instead of automatically replying just for the sake of arguing. what you are saying is that there is no need for any extra development, such as AOSP roms, as you are happy with your touchwiz. well guess what, you are here on XDA, which is a site dedicate for the sole purpose of extra development for android. so why on earth would you come here if not for the benefits of android- which is having the option to change the phone the way you want it to? in that case why do you come to xda? just to argue about which one has a bigger benchmark scores or to actually enjoy trying new things and explore the OS.

in the slight chance that you actually don't care about using the full benefits of android and flashing new roms and trying new things, which might actually be better, then you shouldn't talk for other people- if you didn't notice I think I've seen dozens of people donate money to get someone a note 4 just so he could help them out and get CM/AOSP roms for their exynos varient. the post I made was soley for them as they face what I faced with the Exynos S4(I9500) I owned.

lastly, what you need to realize is that choice is better. and it's ridiculous that you are trying to argue the opposite. You only have touchwiz, and you might be happy with it. But I have touchwiz. and I have other stuff too. and guess what? we paid the same price and I'm getting more things for it. and saying I got 55k on antutu on stock settings on AICP yesterday was just to show you why it doesn't matter. both of our phone are fast, so the score is just irrelevent. even if the exynos has a bit more performance, it just doesn't matter.

therefore finally you can understand the point I was trying to make- that this discussion should be about what each SoC gives you, and what it is limited to.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] tmac31:
Well i wont understand people who thinks if you dont care aosp you cant come here... exynos variant just lacks aosp support. It still has custom kernels custom tw based roms or other custom stuff.

You can have more choice but you dont have best experience in both world. You dont have best aosp experience and you dont have best touchwiz experience too. But it doesnt matter for alot of people and i understand it so i wont tell you to "dont do that mistake again"

And having more choice doesnt matter for me i just prefer best im not gonna change roms everyday i just find 1 and stick with it. Im not trying be different i just care whats best for me.

If i wanted more choice i could still use my old nexus 5 too or my old note 3s too it doesnt matter i still own them but i use Note 4 and iphone 6 plus atm.

I used my snapdragon note 3 with aosp roms it never gets as good as nexus 5 experience. Waiting for roms to be stable for months is big problem too. Time>money for me. And having tw features is basicaly what made me buy this device(if they didnt improve tw performance i wouldnt touch this phone too.) . So i know my priorities and you know yours good for you. Again im saying i dont judge your decision its your money your call. So you shouldnt do that too its a soc comparison thread. .
[Galaxy Note 4 General] Lodix:
Then for what do you want a Note 4 ??

They are competing in the high end segment, so I expect the best hardware. And of course for the price they are selling it I would not buy it without a much better SOC.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] exclass:
You know some people are not stupid enough so they don't buy their phones to compete with others. They buy it because they like it, unbelievable right?

Kids fighting over who has the best phone, to be cool of course, cause in other life fields they are just losers. Even when the note 4 just came out, there were people talking about outdated soc...

(your logic comparing the phone with tablets) My laptop has more powerful hardware than the note 4. I wont buy the note...

Don't spam the forum with childish posts who are useless to anyone. Go fight your battle over the coolest phone elsewhere.

Reading posts here I think moderators better close this thread, it has nothing new to offer rather than kids fighting with stupid arguments over stupid causes.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] Lodix:
Mmm... I think you got my point totally wrong.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] Darkangels6sic6:
So you reply to them explaining on the factual well known knowledge that the Exynos tends to perform better in real world gaming and that benchmarks don't give the overall real idea.....

To show a link of benchmarks and think that changes something??? And in the link when Antutu showed the S805 getting higher Multi-thread score on that page....If you believe that you are dumb.

And while almost all gpu scores were only minutely better, but they claimed in the article that it was vastly ahead.........

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[Galaxy Note 4 General] gekkehenkie11:
Well the only facts we have on real world gaming is that in the very first FPS test I did, the snapdragon outperformed your Exynos. I suggested to do even more test but strangely none of you Exynos guys want to do that :D You guys rather live in a dream. A dream where all those gfx benchmarks showing that the Snapdragon is better at 3d are all wrong and useless and where somehow magically in REAL games the Exynos outperforms :D Like, if you actually attach a mouse driver to 3d scenery, THEN the 3d part of the Exynos suddenly outperforms haha :D And the more you guys tell yourself that (" all those gfx benchmarks are wrong, in REAL games our phone is better !!") the more you even actually start to believe those lies and the more you feel better about having bought the Exynos !

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So, if best for somebody else is: a phone that actually is FAST, responsive, fluent and those people don't care about a heart beat app or the 'samsung gaming hubb' or what all those useless apps are called, then what ? Are they then allowed to install AOSP in your opionion, if that actually suits them better ? Or are you going to stick "They should have bought an AOSP phone in the first place " ? Even if they want the Samsung Note's screen and hardware ?

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+1. I had the same thing, also bought the Exynos S4 and felt sad that I had to run touchwiz, while the Snapdragon people had all the fun with their custom ROM's and development. I'm pretty sure those Exynos guys here feel the same, that's why they're so sour and feel the need to post insults in pretty much every single post.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] Darkangels6sic6:
You shouldn't mislead like that. Especially with such powerful chips and devices something like the Note 4 could last a person easily longer than a year or two.

Obviously better devices always come out that are stronger. But the Note 4 will get at least 2 years of official updates. Easily possible for more. Plus plenty of after market support for both models after.

The Exynos has general advantage. It just depends which market you are in really and what you are looking for. Exynos has a decently better CPU and generally better real world graphics. Better audio. There is also a small chance a future update or dev unlock will give it 64Bit function.

Snapdragon seems to have less restrictions on the cameras for better results out of third party camera apps. Though this could change. And it seems that the radio chip is a little more efficient in battery performance in Snapdragon.

Also some markets/carriers only have Snapdragon version and as of now I believe GearVR only supports Snapdragon....Which is odd and can change in the future.

Snapdragon has more ROMS. But most will agree that Exynos better performing and having Samsung exclusive features with root, kernel, and xposed is much better than CM.

Both are very solid devices either way that will easily last you more than two years if you don't care about having the latest and greatest every few moths. Plus Samsung is best OEM in updates. Even Note 2 is getting official Lollipop this year. And very likely S3 is too. So you will get official major OS updates until AT LEAST 2016. Easily 2017 and have plenty of hack support.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] gekkehenkie11:
I think ALL samsung phones have 2 years support at last. But can you honestly say you used a phone 2 years ? We all want newer, faster phones when they come out :) I always upgrade when a new phone comes out, even though the older counterpart still work fine (although samsungs DO have a tendency to break down/fail after 1-2 year but I think that goes for most smartphones, that's how they're designed)
[Galaxy Note 4 General] tmac31:
You can do whatever you want dont pick random words from whole comment. I said i dont care about aosp and whatever you do with your phone. And note 4 hardware? Screen is just best in note 4. Others almost same with another snapdragon 805 phone. And again its your choice like i said like me that i never go back to aosp you can just stick to aosp . I dont have time like you to buy a phone and try to make a rom for it for months.(it can be your hobby or job i understand it but i dont care.)
[Galaxy Note 4 General] gekkehenkie11:
Ok, got the impression you almost wanted to prohibit people from installing AOSP if you could do that. But at least you give people their freedom, thanks ;)

It's a hobby. Made a few millions in the stock market with an algo trading system I've developed and pretty much retired now at 37 so I have time for this. I know you probably wont believe me, but it's the truth :)

Never made a penny with CM and have no intention to do so (dont need to)
[Galaxy Note 4 General] Gunthermic:
[MENTION=3604114]Darkangels6sic6[/MENTION] and [MENTION=3296134]gekkehenkie11[/MENTION]

I am only going to ask once.. Chill on the using calling names, or putting down a user. I am okay if you disagree about a subject and that's perfectly fine to discuss this back and forth.

However I will not tolerated the other un-needed stuff.

Clean it up......

gunthermic

Forum Moderator
[Galaxy Note 4 General] SLMI:
Man please, you're really dont talking sensible, you just played rr3 in bonet or helmet cam first time, where there is not much to draw for gpu (even my old note 2 can do 45-50 easily in that cam) and you saying it performs better, you really should learn how to compare,how to compare two things in same conditions, how to be objective, all you do is spamming for your s805 soc is better and having better community support, what you do is like, when you bought something that you don't like, you regret and trying to not show your regret and trying to make your product best with yelling everywhere and saying s805 is better, s805 is the best, that must be a real butthurt for you

Man its ok to them competing in high end segment, but when regular people bought these tablets they wont look at the chipset, they won't care about ram speed or micro architecture, they will care about build quality, a good screen, long term performance like 1,5-2 years and a good performing ui, in that case I'm saying that if I'm going to buy one of these i won't care about SoC that much, cuz i know that it will do its job properly, and i know that it will be enough for me, then I don't need to compete with others, i mean nobodys going to bring his tablet and say "haha man my tablet is better, it has a third gen 64 bit, it plays games at 60 fps", cuz its a ridiculous conversation it's childish and wont gonna happen, i mean if its enough for me then i don't care about others, on the other hand dont get my point wrong, I don't sayin youre wrong, youre right too you want your tablet to compete with latest chips on the otherside i want to my tablet to perform well
[Galaxy Note 4 General] eRode:
You have read....and that is why u dont get it.

So much crap on xda
[Galaxy Note 4 General] Lodix:
The screen itself is more efficient but you need to move that extra pixels with the GPU.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] Toss3:
If you want a fully working version of CM, then do yourself a favour and skip Samsung's phones and get a Nexus 6 instead. The snapdragon, like its S4 counterpart, is going to get old real fast with newer 64-bit SoCs coming in 2015. The 5433 on the other hand could potentially get a boost in performance from Android L, and we already know it is faster than the s805. I don't know, but to me the choice is pretty simple: 20nm instead of 28 (better battery life, and less risk of thermal throttling), A57/A53 vs Krait 450 (ArmV8 vs Armv7), Mali T760 vs Adreno 420 (Mali should be faster), Wolfson DAC vs Qualcomm's own, etc. The A15 version of the S4 still holds its own even today, while the s600 is awfully slow compared to newer s800 handsets.

I also believe that Samsung are basically having to restrict the performance of the 5433 at this point in order to be on the same level as the s805, and that custom kernels could unlock the full benefit of the SoC.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] cmd512:
Precisely why so many of us i9500 users never bothered with the S5, well said on all fronts.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] midroid:
The site anandtech confirm that the Exynos 5433 is of fact the first bark A57 / A53 SoC to the market. We see one 4x of the bark A57, configuration of the CPU 4x bark A53 Big.little
[Galaxy Note 4 General] SAVVAS.:
Some Benchmarks of Exynos variant. It is surprisingly sad that the Mali 760 Gpu can't even beat Adreno 330, whats wrong with that?

MANHATTAN OFFSCREEN:12.5 fps T-REX OFFSCREEN:22.8 fps

LINK
[Galaxy Note 4 General] EP2008:
Perhaps you should see this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fswpNWQ2780

The Note 3 outperforms the Note 4 with Exynos in several benchmarks - it's quite disappointing to see, to be honest.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] Toss3:
3D Mark and Antutu are the only ones I trust. Quadrant etc are just absolute crap. Seen scores over 51k on the Exynos version.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] gabrielgon:
It's disappointing anyway.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] mwebb34:
Will the bootloader be unlockable on Note 4 and note 4 edge? I'm do for an upgrade I currently have the HTC onemax with verizon . I'm trying to decide on which version of the note 4 I wanna get, I like the edge its pretty kewl.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] hiepgia:
Benchmark is benchmark, not a real deal when coming to daily use. Numbers don't tell how this phone will perform.

I just take a look at GFXBench database: AMD Radeon R9 290X gaming is much better than nVidia Geforce GTX660Ti but GFXBenchmark score show GTX660Ti higher than R9 290X. :eek: I got Xiaomi MiPad too but in gaming it doesn't perform better than my SM-G900H.

Same to Quadrant Score, it's outdated benchmark.

I just trust Geekbench score for CPU side and 3DMark score for GPU side. :good:
[Galaxy Note 4 General] anonymous-_:
For the netherlands it wil be the SnapDragon 805. I think it is for hole europe.

See Screen :silly:
[Galaxy Note 4 General] Toss3:
Yup, that's why I'm counting on getting mine in the UAE when I go there in December (longer wait, but at least I'll get to enjoy Android L on my N5 in the mean time).
[Galaxy Note 4 General] Vangelis13:
Same here but luckier on the timing. Planning on getting mine from Taiwan through a friend. It's released on the 9th. Android L will be promptly enjoyed on the n5 too. ;)
[Galaxy Note 4 General] anonymous-_:
Okej,

I found the samsung Note 4 Manuals online and they say that the model number is:

SM-N910C

SM-N910CQ

SM-N910F

SM-N910H

When I search on this models they say it is a Exynos processor inside...

Oyeah this are the links:

http://downloadcenter.samsung.com/c...7/SM-N910_UM_EU_Kitkat_Eng_Rev.1.0_140926.pdf < ENGLISH

http://downloadcenter.samsung.com/c...SM-N910_UM_Open_Kitkat_Ger_Rev.1.0_140929.pdf < GERMANY

EDIT:

Reaction from netherlands site:

Little confusing, but eventually the version sold here - SM N910F - the quad-core Snapdragon SoC with a clock speed of 2.7 GHz.

The SM N910F Gonna be sold in EU!
[Galaxy Note 4 General] cybermessiah:
I plan on upgrading to the Note 4 from the original Note 1.:cyclops:

I usually keep a phone for 3 years..so my main concern is the ability of the phone

to be able to have good dev support for quite a while.:good:

Facing a bit of a dilemma as the Snapdragon variant would tend to attract more dev support, while I'm under the impression that the Exynos has better performance and may hold a better equipped processor for the upcoming Android L (64-bit).:eek:

I live in Taiwan and the Exynos version is out on the 9th ..or I could import the Snapdragon variant from Australia...obtaining both are no issue.:victory:

Which variant would you suggest is better for someone who isn't going to upgrade for a while?:eek:
[Galaxy Note 4 General] darkkain:
I think, that exynos will be more future-proof.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] DelBoy:
I got Exynos version few days ago and it is really great so I would say to anyone go for Exynos if you can.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] EP2008:
Except if you're in a country where the Exynos won't give you LTE... that's the trade-off right now.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] ShadowFlare:
I'm still not convinced with Exynos, does the 5433 use an external Cat4 LTE modem, eg. intel LTE modem?

Snapdragon 805 uses Krait 450, which is customised aging mature Cortex-A15, Adreno 420, Integrated Cat6 LTE modem, all developed in house by Qualcomm. So each component should be working more harmoniously and efficiently.

But eh, this is all my opinion.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] gekkehenkie11:
Like another mod already noted: the subject of this thread pretty much equals fighting. The exynos people keep throwing in insults, they will keep doing it, like you see. Everything that could have been said, has been said. So everybody knows how this is going to end ... This car is driving full speed towards that cliff :)

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Then show me ! Just record a 3 minute race and show me a better FPS result chart.

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Hmm and how is that different from the Exynos reactions here, in your opinion ? At least I haven't thrown in a single personal attack or insult
[Galaxy Note 4 General] tmac31:
Haha you are awesome. Ill start using my old nexus 5 for you... Please stop that nonsense aosp support thing yes we knew aosp isnt for exynos it didnt come up later it was like this for years.in my country we have 2 option its not a must to buy exynos. i used alot of snapdragon phones with alot of different roms i just didnt like the experience. And i dont care about aosp too cuz i dont like it you can be using it first time in a proper way but i used it long time with nexus 4-5 and note 3 snapdragon.