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[Galaxy Note 4 General] Bruce lee roy:
Personally, I cannot see a "real life" difference. I see a difference in benchmarking but not in app operation or gaming. Not sure if it was intentional but you have mischaracterized my statements pertaining to development; I never said there's there is "no" development but rather there is a lack in development support compared to sd (eg cm12).

The fact is that phone performance consist of much more than just cpu potential. Apple is a glaring example of how important optimization is for developing mobile apps. The reason games consistently outperform on ios is because limited fragmentation allows developers the opportunity to focus on maximizing performance on one platform rather than a slew of platforms. In case of android, THE platform is sd805 found in N6.

Now there's no need to get your panties in a bunch because as I've repeatedly mentioned, this is just my personal prediction. I concede that this prediction may be entirely debunked once lollipop drops but until that happens, you'll have to find a way to sleep at night knowing that there are opinions out there in the vast world that differ from your own.

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I agreed with you last statement. If combination is present on all galaxy models, this could be a major game changer since samsung commands so much market share in Android environment. It will be interesting to see how the company decides to move forward and how their decisions impact the broader market place.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] Lodix:
The Exynos will have CM12 too.

And don't be fool. Adreno GPU has been for a while in Nexus devices and still lacks of any "special optimization". It was said a lot of times your same argument long time ago and look...

Mali GPU are indeed better optimized, just think that they are from ARM which license their CPUs and GPUs for every SOC maker. Android is optimized for ARM, not for any specific SOC.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] jura55:
Ok, and who prepare and compile kernel for samsung devices? Samsung. The same company which is manufacturer of Exynos and the manufacturer of our device...this is I think more importat than the fact that google implements dalvik for android(and really google optimize for SD805 or just for ARM v7 architecture? - which exynos supports also...and maybe samgung change google optimizations from sd to exynos for exynos version.)

Another point is mentioned above, exynos in Note 4 uses exactly the same ARM architecture(v8) as SD810 - so for future this architecture is better than SD805 architecture.....
[Galaxy Note 4 General] tmac31:
1st you didnt try snapdragon and exynos note 4 side by side there is obvious difference every1 can notice(ofc dont expect very big difference there isnt very big difference with note 3 too)

2nd apple always had great hardware its not just optimization like people always think. Android people always were crying omg we have 4 cores but games running better on 2 cores outdated hardware while apple always had far better gpu. Iphones have great cpu and gpu its not just optimization advantage its great hardware also.

Nexus devices had quallcomm cpus for 3 years. And adreno gpus aswell but there wasnt any advantage comes it. Including android itself and all apps nothing on android just optimized for a soc. If there is works better with apps games etc its ARM cpu and gpus cuz its basic.

Well you can expect anything you want i thought same when i bought nexus 4 and nexus 5 too it failed me. But if you want to install to cm or any aosp rom on your note 4 you ll have better luck with it.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] duvalbmarley:
There is no real development goin on for either device just because u see more roms doesn't mean SD has more development both phones have basically the same mods and themes. SD has CM12 which will always have bugs and really handicaps your phones features for a slight performance increase.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] midopicanto:
IMO The Exynos one will be "Much more powerful" because of it's 64-bit cores (A57/A53 cores) and battery wise with it's 20nm architecture that's far better than the old school 32nm ones in power consumption.

So yeah Samsung for the first time ever it's "Home-made" processor is better! 8

Sent from my Note 4
[Galaxy Note 4 General] midreestaj:
Your argument would instantly render incorrect if you check speeds tests of app opening and recalling apps from multitasking between these two socs in question. As far as games are concerned again run a real time FPS bench such as game bench not the graphics benchmarks. Majority of games are running at higher FPS on Mali not Adreno currently
[Galaxy Note 4 General] Bruce lee roy:
Wow so many replies in such a short time. Don't you guys feel this is a waste of emotional capital? Are the differences that substantial? Wouldn't your emotions be better spent on on something important like the FIXED super bowl and the severely tarnished credibility of the NFL... in fact, professional sports as we know it ?!?!!! :o:what::o
[Galaxy Note 4 General] tmac31:
Exynos 7420 antutu scores mostly a ddr4 ram and gpu improvement. im glad i went with exynos note 4 and seems ill keep it long time.

http://www.phonearena.com/news/The-...-breaks-all-records-and-reveals-specs_id65798
[Galaxy Note 4 General] jura55:
Another example why the current Exynoses (5433 and 7420) are better than it's snapdragon counterparts( 5433 vs 805 and 7420 vs 810):

http://sonictech101.blogspot.in/2015/01/samsung-ditching-snapdragon-810-for-s6.html

Also we may say that current Exynos(5433) is equal to next version of snapdragon(810).
[Galaxy Note 4 General] tmac31:
http://browser.primatelabs.com/geekbench3/1873705

And here is s810 geekbench of new z4 i dont know but despite having higher freq scores very low compared to .5433
[Galaxy Note 4 General] AndreiLux:
I've said that the S810 looks to be a bad SoC. The S6: http://browser.primatelabs.com/geekbench3/compare/1873705?baseline=1874253

Also the long promised review is out: http://www.anandtech.com/print/8718/the-samsung-galaxy-note-4-exynos-review
[Galaxy Note 4 General] arayoflight:
Great review of the Exynos 5433. Do you have an idea how the 7420 can improve upon in the power consumption or the memory bandwidth. I think only these 2 things seem to be the flaws in Exynos 5433. From today's Antutu result, it's pretty clear that the Exynos 7420 will use the T760 MP8. I suspect they'll repeat the 700 MHz clock.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] tmac31:
Lpddr4 and 14 nm process will come atleast to improve it. But i dont think all improvement worth to switch for it. I just dont know what they can bring for note 5. Nothing can reach to improve from arm. A72 wont be ready for this year.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] AndreiLux:
We'll have to wait and see how it goes. Only a few more weeks left.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] gekkehenkie11:
So ... Can you explain this to me please. I ran some of your benchmarks on my 910F snapdragon and not only outperformed your snapdragon scores but pretty much always the exynos 5433 too. For example I'm getting 4632 work performance (= the total) score on PCmark where you report 4044 for the snapdragon, and where you report 4272 for the Exynos. On basemark OS II I'm getting 1426 where you report 1319 for the Exynos and 1335 for the Snapdragon.

Of course I'm on Cm12/lollipop but you said that never should even matter cause all these benchmarks test low level hardware performance (your own words when it was my argument that most benchmarks test api results instead). So how do you explain these huge differences ?

Also, I understand you're in love with your Exynos and don't care about custom ROM's but shouldn't you at LEAST have noted that when considering to buy either of these two devices, people who like custom ROM's have a HUGE advantage with the Snapdragon version, since Exynos custom ROM development is way behind Snapdragon's ?
[Galaxy Note 4 General] jura55:
In CM12 there is lot less background always running system processes(which eats hw power)....so if you really want to compare HW, you have to compare with same software running on it :) try to run 2 benchmarks in parallel and you will get half values..you cannot compare phone running CM12 with 5 background processes (for example) with another phone running 30 background processes....another thing is for most Note owner is TW a must....another thing is you are running ART(5.0 Lollipop) and trying to compare with Dalvik(4.4 Kitkat), so expect higher exynos score with 5.0 Lollipop
[Galaxy Note 4 General] gekkehenkie11:
Yeah stuff like that was exactly my point. Lollipop differences, an optimized OS like CM12 vs a slow system like TW, it all impacts the scores. But Andrei said that all that stuff would be irrelevant cause these tests would only test hardware on a low level. So if that was true, I wonder how he explains I'm outperforming his scores with such a huge difference.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] jura55:
These tests use HW on low level....but the HW is still used by another processes :) the benchmark app cannot simply stop all other services, which are still using processor, ram and other HW resources, try to run benchmark and call your phone....will it answer or not? :)
[Galaxy Note 4 General] AndreiLux:
I'll gladly explain it to you:

Not only did I never say that all benchmarks test low level hardware (We were talking about Antutu, which is native and low-level except the "Runtime" sub-test), you took the one benchmark out of all examples on that page that is the polar opposite of a low level benchmark. I clearly explain on the page how PCMark is mostly a system benchmark:

Low level benchmarks are such as SPEC or Geekbench, where the Snapdragon is indeed lagging behind the Exynos by a hefty 30%.

Now that I've explained to you, and you hopefully understood the difference between low-level and high-level benchmarks, you can now see the difference in scores come due to the simple fact that you are running on Lolipop on your device while the published benchmarks are running on the stock Kitkat ROM. Again, if you would actually read the article you would see me mention this, also in conjunction on how the Nexus devices are vastly on top in PCMark (Notice how close the Nexus 6 is to what you are reporting):

Lastly, I did not mention custom ROMs simply because that is not done in the publication, period. I don't remember the last time any kind of large site even mentioned such a thing in *any* review. Not only is it irrelevant to 99% of the people, it's especially irrelevant to the target readership on the site as North American units suffer from locked bootloaders.

I understand your underlying desire to attack me on anything, but this is the fourth time you've been trying to instigate a fight in this thread, so let me cut it short and just report you again outright from the beginning.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] gekkehenkie11:
I had this argument with Andrei in this thread a few weeks ago, probably in december. I said, hardware is one thing but the OS is another huge thing. If you test anything, you're not testing hardware directly but you're testing API calls in a certain environment. It's one of the reasons why Apple scores so good, they have a VERY optimized OS. It's also the reason why Cyanogenmod is so much better than that bloated stock Touchwiz. Andrei called me an idiot and whatsmore (he does that a lot). But let's not fall into old habits. I sincerely would like to hear from him why he thinks I'm outperforming not only his snapdragon and exynos results, but pretty much all other phones in his tests. Thanks !

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Ah, there it is :)

No, we were talking about benchmarking in general and how an OS *ALWAYS* has impact on results, except if you run some low level non API tests but these have pretty much nothing to do with real life workflow. I made my point that apple performs well in a lot of tests because of that (next to it having great hardware of course). You said that was nonsense and tests were ALWAYS low level code. Your posts got deleted (I just checked) so unfortunately I cant quote you anymore. But at least you now agree with me here that an OS has a huge impact on daily performance. It was my point that hardware alone doesn't matter too much, it's ALWAYS the combination of hardware + software. I'm sure exynos 5433 has somewhat better pure hardware performance in some aspects but as long people on Snapdragon can run a much faster OS, that difference is more hypothetical.

Cyanogenmod had 10 milion ACTIVE users a year ago: http://liliputing.com/2013/12/cyanogenmod-hits-10-million-users-shipping-first-phone.html, 12 million active users half a year ago: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CyanogenMod, so I'd say they might be over 15 million by now.

I'm not trying to attack you. My point has ALWAYS been that hardware alone is irrelevant. It's the daily performance/user experience that matters and that's coming from a combo of hardware + software as you can clearly now see in my test results, outperforming your Exynos results by far.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] gekkehenkie11:
If you cant have the decency to discuss like an adult, state your opinion and at least respect others, I suggest to refrain from posting or the admin will close down the thread, like he warned you guys last time. I already reported this post the admin so be careful please. Thanks.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] Toss3:
The Eyxnos 5433 is faster than the SD805 and nothing you say will change that fact. Lollipop is going to be optimized for both SoCs so the performance difference is still going to be there. Of course you are going to get a smoother experience running CM (not sure if it is even available on the Exynos so it's not a fair comparison), but that's not why most of us bought the Note 4 to begin with; I personally love the extra features TouchWiz provides, that CM just cannot emulate. If you are happy with your purchase then great, but that doesn't change the fact that the Exynos Note 4 is indeed a lot more powerful than the Snapdragon version.

EDIT: Just tried the PC Mark benchmark on my n910c and got a score of 4923 (ART on 4.4.4).
[Galaxy Note 4 General] RISHI RAJ:
There should be a healthy discussion.Everybody has the right to share his or her opinion without offending others.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] jvtrigo:
I agree with you exynos 5433 is faster than SD805. Of course you can get better and lighter ROMs for each one of them and get better results but that doesn't change the fact that Exynos is better. I don't know why people still want to discuss that.

You can have a good driver driving a bad car faster than a bad driver driving a good car. But that doesn't change which car is better.

PS. I'm not saying SD805 is bad it is just worse than exynos 5433
[Galaxy Note 4 General] gekkehenkie11:
It does if you want to get from A to B as fast as possible. It's nice and all, if you have a fast car but if you get slower from A to B then what does it matter ? That was my whole point. It's then becoming a theoretical advantage only.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] yahyoh:
omg thread turning again CM vs Touchwiz again :silly:

anyways 95% of people don't care or know what software running on their phones ( beside people like us on xda...etc) so do you think they will care about what SoC in their phones ?

people needs something just works without major problems , thats why a lot of people buy iPhones cuz its just works
[Galaxy Note 4 General] gekkehenkie11:
Well you can't see the cpu seperately from the system. Yeah sure you can but it's not what makes the user experience (or even benchmark results for that matter). So for anyone interested to buy either one, it is/should be important what he wants. Dont care about custom ROM's, you like Touchwiz and you don't mind to wait 4-5 months for Samsung to release updates ? Buy Exynos. But otherwise the snapdragon is probably what you'll want.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] Artoriuz:
What are you even talking about?

We've said earlier in this thread that the reason for both Note 3, S4 and S5 lack of Exynos development is just because the international variants were in all cases a Snapdragon variant. The Exynos S3 and the Note 2 (both phones that had Exynos international variants) were one of the very first devices to receive unnoficial Lollipop CM builds.

Samsung is going to go with Exynos for every region on the S6, the development for the SoC won't by any means be scarce as the 2 previous models.

I9300 is probably still one of the most popular devices here at XDA, not only for TW based ROMs, in fact you'll find MORE CM based ROMs for it than for most devices.

Sure, it's harder to develop for Exynos than it is for SD, you have every other big company using SD SoCs for reference, tons of devices using SDs, and a lot of other people working on the SoC trying to port something to some random device that can help you with your own.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] Darkangels6sic6:
One of the first logical and factual comments around. +1....not to discriminate against the others before. You just hit the nail on that specific subject.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] Darkangels6sic6:
Oh yeah.....two other main gripes...

They almost had the 4GB ram chip ready or possibly did for release with the Note 4.

And now we still may only see 3GB on the S6? Which might mean a 4GB plus version later on :/

And aside from hoping to see those much faster and more efficient memory chips...let's hope the rumors of making the base model 32GB happen.....

I can't understand how Samsung are world leaders in chips...especially memory....and release the higher 64GB and 128GB to others but can barely offer 32GB for their own devices.

And same with ram. How can you have 4GB around the corner, 3GB made and provided to others, but use 2GB for the S5?
[Galaxy Note 4 General] midreestaj:
This site shows Antutu benchmark whether or not it is a real one ?

https://ausdroid.net/2015/02/11/galaxy-s6-possibly-taken-run-antutu-exynos-7420-processor/

[IMG="Real or Fake ? Difference is mostly in 3D performance"]http://ausdroid.net/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/Galaxy-S6-Antutu-Comparison.jpg[/IMG]
[Galaxy Note 4 General] Darkangels6sic6:
Yup. All too likely to be real.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] duvalbmarley:
Exynos received update to lollipop first
[Galaxy Note 4 General] SLMI:
Did you get the update bro?
[Galaxy Note 4 General] duvalbmarley:
No waiting for it on sammobile it has been confirmed tho for the people in Poland edit-i have it now

http://xdaforums.com/note-4/general/sm-n910c-lollipop-download-t3027735
[Galaxy Note 4 General] Toss3:
But the bad news is that Samsung didn't enable AArch64. So the naysayers were correct. Let's just hope Samsung updates it once the S6 update hits. Not that it truly makes such a big difference, but it would be a nice to have anyway.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] SLMI:
The weird thing is, i think i saw the s6/s6 edge is also running on lollipop but still on AArch32 mode
[Galaxy Note 4 General] tmac31:
its samsung:) their 64 bit software could be not ready yet. i dont think exynos 5433 will get 64 bit though but everything can happen with samsung you never know.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] gekkehenkie11:
Of course they didnt update it to 64 bits. Man I was just reading the thread, some people even got angry about it !! XDA never stops to amaze me ... Samsung sold the phone as 32 bit, If you want 64 bit you will have to PAY for it, eg, buy a true 64 bit phone that's actually marketed as such ! Welcome to the real world where nothing is for free.

But what's with the Antuntu scores ? Exynos peeps are reporting 42.000 and 45.000 scores on Lollipop ? Getting 52.000 here on CM12/Lollipop 5.0.2. 910F snapdragon.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] Toss3:
Samsung apparently messed up and made lollipop even slower than 4.4.4 (getting over 54k+ on my n910c right now). Not surprised, but I wish they had waited and updated to the S6 version instead. This is getting ridiculous.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] Lodix:
Poland's aoftware are usually premature. They always get the fist buggy updates.

And I don't think Antutu is something to take care of it.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] tmac31:
antutu has run time test which doesnt really say anything.switching to art on 4.4.4 reduces antutu score too. and its very early to judge.

all other tests are same
[Galaxy Note 4 General] Toss3:
This run was on ART. So I am getting 54k using ART on 4.4.4 (no OC, just wanam + adam).
[Galaxy Note 4 General] tmac31:
this scores from another forum with 5.0.1 stock. no problem here probably it was just throttled scores.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] Toss3:
Great news! Was already worried Samsung messed something up. :good: ;) So what's the verdict - is it any better than the 4.4.4 counterpart? Also could you test if the new camera api is supported (you can test using lcamera or manual camera)?
[Galaxy Note 4 General] Darkangels6sic6:
It is simply is foolish to claim you know such things and that 64 bit enabling cannot and will not happen.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] gekkehenkie11:
Hehe ok just keep hoping for the next update then. Which will be about 3-4 months after Google releases Lollipop 5.1. Good luck ;)
[Galaxy Note 4 General] tmac31:
its not i think.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] yahyoh:
i dont think samsung will enable it with older phones , they are saving it for S6 for marketing reasons
[Galaxy Note 4 General] Toss3:
So what's the point in upgrading if all of the useful lollipop upgrades have been disabled? :silly:
[Galaxy Note 4 General] POLO_i780:
I never expected Samsung to upgrade the 5433 Note 4 to 64bit and it is not going to happen, Samsung want to keep the variants as similar as possible, if they wanted the Note 4 to be 64bit, there would be no Snapdragon Note 4, we would've had Exynos 5433 Note 4s Globally.

Those who say they are waiting for the next update to get 64bit, don't hold your breath ;)
[Galaxy Note 4 General] Darkangels6sic6:
Don't expect it or hold your breathe yes. But assuming it will is no worse than assuming it won't.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] POLO_i780:
My thing is, here we are with such an incredible phone in our hands, it has a VR accessory, its battery can manage 6,7 heck 8hours SOT even, fast charging, great camera, solid build quality, the best display at the moment, a unique feature set with the highest functionality in the industry yet, here we are, people getting angry over Samsung not giving it 64bit, wtf!?

If you want 64bit go and get an iPhone and comeback and tell us what benefit it brought as so far not even Apple can tell us. The Exynos 5433 is already built on a newer 20nm process and the CPU part has proven itself to be beastly, what more do you want? What will 64bit enabling bring that you don't have already?
[Galaxy Note 4 General] Darkangels6sic6:
Obviously improvements in performance that can be seen more so as the feature progresses and more content is 64bit enabled.

Let's not pull that foolish card now or be the nay sayers of advancement ..especially while talking about the most advanced device. It's kind of redundant.

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Why care which CPU you have then? Why care about updates? Why care about roms and such if it's perfect already? Why care about this device in general?
[Galaxy Note 4 General] CLARiiON:
S6 Edge vs iPhone 6 in Geekbench, now with 64bit AArch64 enabled in S6.

http://browser.primatelabs.com/geekbench3/compare/1888683?baseline=1888658

And against Note 4 5433 in AArch32:

http://browser.primatelabs.com/geekbench3/compare/1878432?baseline=1888658

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Look what we found here:

New Exynos model numbers..
[Galaxy Note 4 General] Darkangels6sic6:
Sweet. And interesting. Maybe one will be a beefed up version with higher Mali T760 or newer Mali for the Note 5.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] arayoflight:
Can't show URLs as I'm a new member.

Isn't that Note 4 you compared with heavily OCed.

The clock of the LITTLE cores is showing up to be 1.8 GHz instead of 1.3 GHz. I expect the big cores to be clocked at around 2.4 Ghz.

This comparison is useless as it should be compared to the stock Note 4 and not a super OCed one.