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[Galaxy Note 4 General] gekkehenkie11:
Good multi threading programmers are scarce, but that's what makes the money in my industry.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] AndreiLux:
Then you're a joke of a programmer if you don't understand how some things just can't be multi-threaded.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] gekkehenkie11:
Sigh. You really have a reading problem man, it makes discussion with you quite tiresome. I said 'theoretically under SOME circumstances the s805 can be 2x faster'.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] AndreiLux:
And did I disagree with you?

You're basically trying to argue with me then saying the exact same thing:

Multi-threading is HARD. It's not just "split up the work" duh rhetoric.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] gekkehenkie11:
And about 'joke programmer', I was the first in the world to hack the 'unhackable' xbox 360 (as Microsoft called it themselves). What are your programming achievements other than that stupid kernel of yours ?
[Galaxy Note 4 General] joelteixeira:
Isn't enough by now? This discussions doesn't seem to drive anywhere guys.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] t1337dude:
You were basically just saying it's impossible due to workload parallelism, and that the speed is exclusive to synthetic benchmark testing. But obviously Android apps have more capacity for optimization, even if it's hard...

Otherwise, why would they bother making quad-core or hexacore processors at all if they were too much a pain to optimize compared to a dual core? I feel like you're just being stubborn. :p You understand the point we're trying to make but you're using disingenuous details to back up your argument against our point.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] gekkehenkie11:
Man this guy is nuts. Claims one thing and then claims the contrary next and he doesn't even see it. Why are we even having this discussion with him ...

First he says "The S805 cannot be potentially faster than the A8" and then in the next post he agrees that the s805 can theoretically be 2x faster and says he never disagreed with that ...

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Yeah I've had enough of it. Sorry for getting a bit mean but man, I hate it when people step into a discussion all agressive, hyped up and insulting. You evoke equal reactions that way. Anyway, long story short, both the iphone 6 and the note 4 are powerful beasts, let's end it there.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] t1337dude:
As far as the thread is concerned, I think all possible discussion regarding the advantages and disadvantages of each phone variant has pretty much happened. At least we're not repeating that same argument :p
[Galaxy Note 4 General] AndreiLux:
You're absolutely insane with your argument twisting. t1337dude said that with OS optimizations can be potentially faster than the A8. I replied no it can't. Reading comprehension and context.

It doesn't matter if it can be in theoretical fully threaded scenario because that scenario will NOT happen.

You know some workloads can be easily multi-threaded (as these benchmarks), you know some workloads are impossible to multi-thread. You know that anything UI related in Android is impossible to multi-thread. Anything Javascript related is impossible to multithread. Up until Mantle came along, graphics API were not multi-threaded, and that's 8 years after your first quad-core CPU came out, and mobile is far far away from that.

You're right on one thing, this is a stupid discussion not worth having anymore.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] gekkehenkie11:
The one thing we finally agree about :) This discussion is not even supposed to be about Iphone, LOL. Just one question though, if you like A8 so much, why didn't you buy one ? It seems you don't care about framework modding, since you bought an Exynos, so why not an iphone 6 instead ?
[Galaxy Note 4 General] AndreiLux:
And why do you assume that? AOSP is perfectly viable on Exynos, CM has worked on them since the S4, all the source code is available via either Insignal or Hardkernel or Linaro. And as others have mentioned already- Xposed has taken over most needs of modding and made custom ROMs less meaningful. Basically it's not worth the time and effort anymore.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] gekkehenkie11:
No, it's not. The only 1 thing completely available is the kernel itself. On the S4, part of JNI binaries are blobs (RIL interface for example) and framework code is missing like the powermanager to just give you one example. I've been fixing several things on i9500 Exynos Cyanogenmod (I fixed the call audioquality bug people had for ages, I fixed RIL wakelocks and the immense resume/wake up time) and spent a lot of time with IDA, reverse engineering, because of missing source code. I'm not planning to do that again, hence I bought the Snapdragon note.

That's nonsense, Touchwiz is going to stay laggy, how are you going to solve bad programming work with a kernel ???
[Galaxy Note 4 General] AndreiLux:
Qualcomm ROMs also have major issues mostly regarding camera - I'm not up to date with it.

They have fixed any discernible delay and lag as far as I can see in the Note 4 (and Alpha). The lag in previous versions were due to the userspace DVFS hooks, and that got totally rewritten in the Alpha and Note 4.

And btw you can just turn off those services and replace the stock keyguard - there goes your lag.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] gekkehenkie11:
Admittedly I haven't seen Touchwiz on the Note 4 myself (my phone is still under way, just bought it yesterday), but several reviewers, the one from Forbes I quoted before for example, claim Touchwiz is still laggy on the Note 4, which to me makes a lot of sense. But I will surely let you know what I think once I have it in my hands.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] tmac31:
I wont say that or that. But about tw just start using it before judging its no where near old tw. Its definetly not slow or laggy.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] AndreiLux:
I don't know what other reviewers do but if you turn off the animations and SVoice on the home button then all discernible artificial delay goes away. The fastest stock device I've handled was the Huawei Honor 6 and the Note 4 is pretty much on that level.

Keep in mind there IS a hardware difference: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GcLeYRZDkTE
[Galaxy Note 4 General] gekkehenkie11:
We'll see. My plan was to flash CM12 anyway, so frankly it doesn't matter too much to me, I bought this phone for modding and fun, not to run stock software, I'd buy an Iphone if I'd want that ;)

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Fixing the few problems that will surely arise on CM12 on the Snapdragon Note 4 is exactly my goal ;) I just hate putting in tons of time to reverse engineer stuff that Exynos doesn't want to release, so I'm supporting Qualcomm who actually care about custom ROM development. I mean, what are these Exynos/Samsung guys even doing, they release source code that isn't even compilable due to bugs (and I'm not even talking about the missing sources). Why then release code in the first place ? Just make up your mind, open up or not. But releasing random uncompilable source code doesn't make much sense to me ... Hence, I won't ever buy an Exynos based device again (until they REALLY open up their sources) and am fully supporting Qualcomm !
[Galaxy Note 4 General] joelteixeira:
Hey Andrei,

What animations are you refering please? Home screen paging?

I'm asking because I got one exynos myself and time to time I see some hiccups. It's not frequent at all, but sometimes it's there. I disabled the flip board as well cause it doesn't seem optimized to work well as a home screen page but it works great on the standalone app.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] AndreiLux:
Developer options > animations to 0x
[Galaxy Note 4 General] xdadevnube:
Is there a good thread or source of info regarding LTE bands on the Note 4?

I would like a variant with unlocked bootloader that works with VZW, so bands 13 and 4. It could be Exynos or snapdragon, but I would lean to the Exynos for Perseus. I'm actually using Perseus typing this post on the Note 2 right now as it has the features and compatibility that i was looking for. It is kind of sad to see how great and unified development of the Note 2 was compared the Note 4. The Note 4 confuses the heck out of me with the absurb number of variants with differing hardware.

I think it is great that both the Exynos and Snapdragon are both getting some attention, but I would pick Exynos any day if it was opened up more.

Ultimately, I don't think a Note 4 with unlockable boot loader and bands 13 and/or band 4 exist.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] fofakis:
N910c

How we work all 8 cores together in n910c?
[Galaxy Note 4 General] yahyoh:
[YOUTUBE]83Hkb3FAncc[/YOUTUBE]

its not that great comparison but as you can see snapdragon 805 has worse throttling issue than Exynos 5433

so in long term usage ( gaming or browsing ) Exynos 5433 should do better

edit : battery usage about the same after running all those benchmarks too
[Galaxy Note 4 General] Super Chimp:
I wonder which version will be less prone too slow down longer term?

All Samsung TW devices I've owned I have had to reboot them after about six months due to them slowing down so much.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] -Sweeper_:
Some new Exynos 5433 vs 5430/5420 benchmarks here: http://forums.anandtech.com/showpost.php?p=36904029&postcount=65

New A57/A53 cores improve performance per clock (compared to A15/A7) running 32-bit code @ KitKat, overall incredible performance for a phone and it should get even better if Samsung allows 64-bit @ Lollipop. This is my first Samsung phone and after all the b*tching bout the slow Touchwiz I was really expecting something laggy but coming from an HTC One M7 I can tell you this phone is smooth. Hardly any lags at all, certainly more fluid than I was expecting. :good:

Octane (Higher is better)

- Exynos 5430 (A15/A7): 5640

- Exynos: 5433 (A57/A53): 8061

Kraken (Lower is better)

- Exynos 5430 (A15/A7): 5056ms

- Exynos: 5433 (A57/A53): 4218ms

Sunspider (Lower is better)

- Exynos 5430 (A15/A7): 445ms

- Exynos 5433 (A57/A53): 390ms

WebXPRT 2013 (Higher is better)

- Exynos 5430 (A15/A7): 262

- Exynos 5433 (A57/A53): 470
[Galaxy Note 4 General] iba21:
Well, the main issue of qualcomm is it's old cpu hardware, i'm meaning, i'm on nexus 5 with android L and, my actual kernel runs at last 2 cores and hotplugs the other 2 by specific values..

I tryed to run it with 1 at mincores, but, phone becames lagghy when there is the hotplug..

I had the note3 exy, and, it hasn't that issue to that powergating hardware logic..

I suppouse qualcomm will be the best when they will release the 808 and 810 socs.. the powerfull of new hardware + more coding

Anyway you spoke about the difference from A8 to s805.. well, remember 2 things

1) a core2duo CULV is faster than a quadcore Atom

2) in the 99% of the usage, cpu workload doesen't go to 100% for the most of the time, what it means? cpu could be slower than another, but, if you donxt use it for the 100%, what benefit will you have with a faster hardware?

Anyway, i'm glad to see there are a lot of geeks witch contribute to increase the code quality in the world, as you, and andreilux
[Galaxy Note 4 General] tmac31:
Its because note 4 is the most all around phone samsung ever made. They were just bumping specs without software optimization and build qualtiy but this time they gave everything they have.

Im an old nexus 5 and htc one m7 user and i used note 3 too it wasnt a good experience old touchwiz was just slow and laggy. But they totaly fixed performance problem. You are lucky that note 4 is your 1st samsung phone.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] BarryH_GEG:
When BMW started moving away from their famous inline six engines to V6s everyone decried the "new" technology. When they moved from V6s to turbo 4's people had a stroke. Same thing when they moved from hydraulic to electric power steering. In the long run the "new" technology accomplished BMW's goals - more fuel efficiency. And in the end "old" technology models still perform incredibly and didn't lose or gain in resale value.

When the "new" technology big.LITTLE chip first appeared in a Samsung device I was excited because it represented the first new chip architecture in ions. XDA'rs couldn't have given it a colder shoulder. Why was "new" so uncool then and now a "must have?" Simple. Because of LTE the vast majority of Samsung devices offering Snapdragon and Exynos were Snapdragon and people were championing their purchase.

Nothing I've seen in this overwrought meandering "my SoC can beat up your SoC" thread has demonstrated any across-the-board performance differences between the "old' S-805 and "new" 5433. And the pivot to loving big.LITTLE by XDA after over a year of deriding it is just plain fascinating.

Back to our regularly scheduled "yes it is, no it isn't."
[Galaxy Note 4 General] POLO_i780:
I've never found TW to be laggy, I mean, like any Android you get a small stutter now and then, heck my iPad 4 which I've had since its launch also has the odd hiccup/stutter, especially in iOS8, even a friend's iPhone 6 has a moment now and then.

What I generally do with my Androids though is enable Developer Options and Disable Animations, and also with Samsungs I turn off S Voice Home key activation and never experience lag in day to day use. The only time I do experience lag is e.g. when the one 1st boots the phone straight-out-the-box when its new, and you have all your SMS, Calendar entries, Apps, Games etc... Restoring and even then the Note 4 proved to be quite a good experience compared to previous Androids.

The last time I had awful lag daily was my Sony Ericsson Xperia X10 in mid 2010, 4years ago, it was on Android1.6 and had the dreadful TimeScape UI, my word, THAT LAGGED, the phone was beautifully designed, and its UI LOOKED very pretty but its software was terribly optimized, got a GS2 after that and found TW to be quite fast and smooth and never had major issues other than the Dialer being slow to launch sometimes but they seem to have fixed that now.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] gekkehenkie11:
Hehe, it's interesting then how that 'old' snapdragon hardware beats the 'new' Exynos on pretty much every single gfx bench. Anyway this whole 'my soc is better than yours' discussion is quite sad. Just buy the version you like and enjoy it. When I bought my S4, I wasn't even aware of the different chipsets, I bought an Exynos version which turned out to be faster in most benchmark, just like it's now. But when I found out that the Exynos barely was getting development attention from the XDA community because of closed sources and Snapdragon got all the fun, I made sure to buy a Snapdragon this time. But it's just what's your cup of tea, I can totally understand some are not interested in ROM development and prefer the slightly faster Exynos (although I do ask myself then: why buy the Note 4 and not the Iphone 6).
[Galaxy Note 4 General] Lodix:
GFXbench is a GPU test, and it is interesting that the Exynos in real games performs better.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] gekkehenkie11:
GPU is part of the SoC. And pretty much all gfx benchmark run actual gfx, so your comment about how it's better in real games is beyond me ?
[Galaxy Note 4 General] iba21:
Personally i'd want to have a note2 + new tech era.. i'm meaning.. when i had note2, i did 8 hours of screen on in wifi, 6 in 3g, with my heavy usage.. my actual nexus 5 with the same usage can reach 3 in wifi 2 in 3g..

Well note2 had exy, and i used perseus kernel, and i had a perfect phone

I bought note3 exy to have the same experience + new chip, more performance, more display, more battery, and it wasn't what i hope

As i can see, this s800 is good, but, it has the same issues as qualcomm's phones

Mpdecision

Hotplug old logic

It burns if there is some multitasking

steel need to turn on at last 2 cores to have a good fluid GUI over android L

And it needs too energy

This morning i red the last 10 pages here, i spent 5% for 40mins of screen on.. now i'm at 76% with 92 mins of screen usage..

The power consuption of the chip is absolutely too hight, and sure, backlight was fixed and the same

So.. yep.. with snap you still could have more roms, more comunity, but, if you need more?

This exy is powerfully, it's made in 20nm, new chip, probabily it will have a bad code, i hope andreilux will create a good kernel as what created over note2..

Thats my personal opinion.. i really don't like qualcomm's phone.. but.. probably i'm only an exy fan (GTS fan :D)

edit: and sure.. why qualcomm choses to live the krait arch for the new cortex A57 and A53 over big little?

probably it could be better than a possible krait in 64bits

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And sure..
[Galaxy Note 4 General] darkkain:
I spoke with Manager in Samsung Store in Poland. He said that, pre-orders will start 1'st October and Note 4 will be available - mid October. In Poland basic version will be with Exynos but also Snapdragon version will be available at start. I asked about Exynos and he denied that it only supports 32 bit.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] frans23:
1. He denied anandtech's article, and Exynos5433 only support 32 bit

2. He denied exynos only support 32 bit, which mean it will support 64 bit

sorry, just want to be sure :)
[Galaxy Note 4 General] darkkain:
He said, it should supports 64bit but they didn't get 100% confirmed info :)

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[Galaxy Note 4 General] frans23:
haha, good news :victory:

Sorry, you are limited to 8 thanks per day
[Galaxy Note 4 General] Toss3:
Definitely getting the Exynos this time around - they usually come with a wolfson dac, and this time there might be 64-bit support (20nm + a57/a53 is just better than a tweaked s800). Too bad about the memory controller (typical samsung shenanigans). 800Mz LTE support would be a crucial feature though, so I'm hoping the exynos version is going to have support for it.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] pratik_s:
Samsung's Exynos 5433 is an A57/A53 ARM SoC

http://www.anandtech.com/show/8537/samsungs-exynos-5433-is-an-a57a53-arm-soc
[Galaxy Note 4 General] 2xbass:
See this...

http://www.androidauthority.com/exynos-5433-note-4-64-bit-526566/
[Galaxy Note 4 General] arjun90:
Argh, I was really hoping for 64-bit support because of Android L. :(

I'm still using a Note 2 and wanted to skip the Note 3.

I was having high expectations for the Note 4.

Exynos was the way to go, but now as it seems, both chipsets (805 and 5543) are in a limbo for me.

Might as well go for the iPhone 6 Plus, anyone?

Not an Apple Fan-boy.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] wase4711:
really?

you want a Ibone because the note4 isnt 64 bit?

I can't imagine caring about that in an android phone at this point, especially since there is no 64 bit software to even see if there is any advantage to 64 bits in a cell phone..
[Galaxy Note 4 General] darkkain:
xda wizards will unlock 64bit power in exynos ?
[Galaxy Note 4 General] wase4711:
and then, what will we do with it????
[Galaxy Note 4 General] darkkain:
We will wait for Android L
[Galaxy Note 4 General] hung2900:
Hardware should go before software.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] Lodix:
There is no peoblem with hardware.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] bala_gamer:
It's not wizards, it's one wizard and he goes by the name [MENTION=4167023]AndreiLux[/MENTION] :D, (experience from my past exynos devices)
[Galaxy Note 4 General] TANKRED_ENDURES:
I almost sure htc desire 820 source codes dont have aarch64 support for snapdragon 615 too. Its OS limitations
[Galaxy Note 4 General] AndreiLux:
i doubt that
[Galaxy Note 4 General] Toss3:
Do you think we are going to see any benefits from it being armv8 capable, even though it is running in 32-bit mode, or is 64-bit really necessary in order to gain any advantage over ArmV7?
[Galaxy Note 4 General] Lodix:
It is a new architecture with some improvements and tweaks in performance without running 64 bit software.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] Toss3:
Do you guys know if the exynos version is going to support the Gear VR? I was just thinking that if Carmack needed low-level access that they might have only concentrated on the one device - the s805 version. The Gear VR is also only supposedly releasing in the US at first, which could mean that it only has support for the s805.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] -Sweeper_:
Krait is old news (28nm Krait first appeared in Snapdragon S4 back in 2011), Qualcomm is going to use 20nm 4xA57+4xA53 cores just like the Exynos 5433 in their Snapdragon 810 2015 flagship.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] manook:
Got my n910c today coming from an M8. Wow, this thing flies and the camera is so much better. Glad I went for the exynos version as I have yet to see any lag. Im very fussy with phones and this has ticked all the boxes for me.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] Lodix:
Yeah, but we were talking about CPU. I am telling you that people have been reporting better gaming experience in exynos...

In GFXbrnch my note 3 Qualcomm has a bit better results onscreen than my Note 4 exynos. I can run at 60fps Asphalt 8 and Note 3 is around 30fps :P

Some Exynos variants has Cat 6 too... and it is useless in most countries :P
[Galaxy Note 4 General] gekkehenkie11:
We were talking about the snapdragon 805 vs the exynos, and I said that the 805 beats the exynos in pretty much every gfx benchmark. Then you said "yeah but that's GPU". I'm not sure if you fail to understand that the GPU is part of that same chip or that you're trying to make some other point, in which case I fail to see it.

Thanks man, but if you don't mind, I'll go with official benchmark results.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] BarryH_GEG:
That would mean a lot more if there was a more discernable performance and battery life difference between the two. Without that, since both SoCs perform so similarly, what difference does it make? I'm sure Samsung SLI would have been happy to sell Google Octa 7 chips for the Nexus 6. If Google, the God to so many here, is OK with S-805 in their 2014/5 flagship device you'd think folks here would be too. I'm not saying it's better than 5433 but it's certainly a capable SoC by today's standards. And "tomorrow" is an esoteric argument as most here will be in the Note 5 forum in ten months anyway.

Does anyone here have something to link to that shows an overall power or battery life differnce between the two SoCs? I'm guessing not or it would have been offered up already.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] Lodix:
Iba was talking about CPU and you quoted him with GFXbenchmarks.

And if by "beating" you mean around 5fps more then ok...

Also the Snapdragon throttles more and get more hot than the Exynos.

Gamebench is another benchmark which says that Adreno even getting a bit more fps in GFX in real games the Mali is better.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] -Sweeper_:
Exactly. Mali T760 barely lags behind Adreno 420 in the two most popular graphics benchmarks out there

Using my N910C results and AnandTech numbers for the S805 version

3DMark Unlimited (Overall/Graphics/Physics)

Exynos: 20276 / 20584 / 19268

S805: 20717 / 21119 / 19424

GFXBench T-Rex Offscreen

Exynos 37,6 fps

S805 40,9 fps

Minor difference and those are short running GPU benches. Actual gaming performance relies a lot more on consistent performance over time and CPU+GPU performance (not just GPU). In the end of this video after multiple benchmark runs S805 performance drops A LOT more than Exynos: www.youtube.com/watch?v=83Hkb3FAncc&feature=youtu.be&a=

One pratical example - GTA san andreas runs like crap @ max settings on the S805 and is totally playable on Exynos

S805 (he changes settings in the middle of the video) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HQ4WgowL3Ls

Exynos: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=27lxN_NkK8Y