yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[Galaxy Note 4 General] EP2008:
Was thinking about it, but I don't upgrade phones very often, so the extra CPU/GPU boost, OIS on the camera, 4 megapixel front facing cam, fingerprint scanner will future proof it for at least the next 2 years.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] NLS:
http://www.ilogic.gr/various/Note_4_vs_Z3_vs_iPhone_6.pdf

Updated with your corrections.

Except the 64bit details because:

1) I cannot find detailed specs of 5433 (even at Samsung) and 5430 is NOT a 64bit SOC.

2) I already mention A8 is 64bit.

BTW it is a different discussion what CURRENTLY (read: for all current smartphones) 64bit means and if it actually means anything serious. Another topic.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] d12unk13astard:
I too use and adore Nova launcher Prime, however...

touchwiz is allways gonna be running in the background, unless you use aosp. Even freezing tw launcher doesnt seem to free up and extra ram.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] EP2008:
I tend to disable/freeze any system components that I won't use, and that seems to free up a lot of ram and stops extra services from running. "TouchWiz Home" is never running while Nova is, but if you mean certain TouchWiz components (like for the s-pen) are always running, then that's what we have to deal with, since they are core components specific to this device.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] Hannah Stern:
All my Missed Features on the Note 4!

What does „TBD" actually being?

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[AVOID MUSUNDERSTANDING - I HATE THEM!]

[I said, that would be better, if it stays. If it gets deleted then... sure, this wil clean junk but your golden photos aren't actually junk !]

That says: This new deleting KitKat feature is a

bad DISADVANTAGE!

The new deleting feature on KitKat was and is a bad idea!
[Galaxy Note 4 General] XdrummerXboy:
Much appreciated.

I thought someone said the N4 DID have FM Radio capabilities though...? Not a big deal at all, but would be nice to have.

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The back is still plastic though, so shouldn't it be fine?

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Also, they have 1A (and probably higher) wall chargers, the cables are usb 2.0. works a LOT faster on my GS3... so is there really a standard limit that low?

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I love apex launcher :)

Tried nova a while back and didnt care for it as much. But lately it seems Nova is far more popular, so Ill have to give it a try again
[Galaxy Note 4 General] georg3003:
me too
[Galaxy Note 4 General] NLS:
http://www.ilogic.gr/various/Note_4_vs_Z3_vs_iPhone_6.pdf

Updated version of my technical comparison (and comments) of the "leaders of Q4/14).

EDIT: Updated again. Some fixes and also added "why buy" and "why not buy" per model.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] Hannah Stern:
Two other Missing things - Damn it!

But I have psyched myself for so long on the Note 4!

And then:

so many missing features?

Two new found missing features:

1.

Let's compare [IMG="Note !3! AirCmnd"]http://www.ooredoo.com.kw/media/afc285db-14b1-4356-a59a-cfe4c9663a15/630510973/contentimages/AirCommand_Scrap.png[/IMG] and here:

(Now see here: is there a quite

BIG

Difference?

)[IMG="Note 4 Air Command without S·Fndr!"]http://www.areamobile.de/img/00/00/86/59/97-samsung-unpacked-2014-note-the-date.jpg[/IMG] Wait..... where is the S-Finder????? Oh my God! The S-Finder is away!!!!!

Where is that S·Finder?

So what? Cleaner UI? Well... the Grey and Ugly KitKat Battery icon is not a cleaner User-Interface! [IMG="S-Pen on S-Finder [technoBuffalo]"]http://www.technobuffalo.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/Air-Command-630x336.jpg[/IMG]

The

Second missing thing is the missing View attachment 2942861 in the big View attachment 2942862

!

So.... faster Usage? Better overview? Better oversight? Less Confusion?

NOT AT ALL! There's not an iImproovend overview because of that!

Even the Note 4 once looket better on GSM-Arena!

I saw someone creating a stock Background Picture of the Note 4!

It was on XDA but i forgot the Name! I had an XDA-Account that time but i forgot to say „thank you"!

Well... the older Note 4 Picture on GSM·Aren

a

looked a little bit better...![IMG="?﻿❤♥"]http://web.archive.org/web/20140828032025im_/http://cdn2.gsmarena.com/vv/bigpic/samsung-galaxy-note-4-r1.jpg[/IMG]

And they suggested right that it's got a 16MP-Camera in the rumor!

http://www.TheGalaxyNote4.com/ suggested a 20MP Camera

And the 12Mp OIS-Camera? How about that?

So what to do:

-Ask if you need my help, whenever and how often you ever want (todo) it!

>Report Dead links

>Speak:„Hannah is a cute girl! She looks so pretty and so extremely beautiful !"
[Galaxy Note 4 General] NLS:
You don't make much sense.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] XdrummerXboy:
Although these things aren't necessarily a huge deal to most people (and usually wouldn't be for me) I decided I'm sitting this one out even though two days ago I was super excited to pre-order.

I just can't bring myself to buy a 32-bit phone with 64-bit on the horizon. It wouldn't make a big deal yet, but I think it would help to future-proof big time.

Note 4 still looks like a solid phone. I will likely be going the way of Android Silver devices if those haven't died before they even came to be, haha.

And if those don't exist, maybe a Note 5 if it has IP67 cert. A JUUUST finished repairing my GS3 from water damage, and to the guy earlier who said "once you have a water resistant phone you will never go back" I say this:

You will never know the value of water resistance unless you have a device that has succumbed to water damage!

I will likely leave this thread though, I've enjoyed everyone's input! :p
[Galaxy Note 4 General] Lodix:
I miss pen window.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] toker_X1:
Same crap from Samsung again

Thanks Samsung. You just saved me a $1000, I will that money to go on holiday instead.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] NLS:
Oh that is a great decision. Money for holidays definitely better.

BUT, N4 is NOT "same cr*p from Samsung".

It is way more of an upgrade than most N3 owners (want to) believe.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] patriotaki:
Agree only downside is it has not 64bit cpu. Damn if it had it would be the best phone for at least 2 years

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Agree only downside is it has not 64bit cpu. Damn if it had it would be the best phone for at least 2 years
[Galaxy Note 4 General] gpvlog:
I have dealt with non water resistant phones since my very phone cell phone. This feature is not a make or break for me personally. It is a very nice feature that adds extra insurance for sure. I do alot of video recording with my Note 2 and transfer those videos to my PC for editing. It can take a long time to transfer so I envied the Note 3 USB 3.0. Now that they have taken it out I am just going to move all my files with 802.11ac.

I was also hoping for a slightly better audio experience like what is found with boom sound but I mostly use headphones for video and audio anyway. Overall I expect to be satisfied with the move from the Note 2.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] JCM800:
If the 4 has audio sound that's as good as my Note 2 I'll consider upgrading to it..
[Galaxy Note 4 General] Hannah Stern:
Stock Wallpaper found!

I found that stock wallpaper!

It was created by „HITMAN-CREED - ,'Myself' " right after the Note 4 Primière in the 3rd September in Berlin „IFA - 2014 - UNPacked.

Link:http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=55222143&postcount=1 found by searching this-

See this·. <---Found by Searching

„dissapointed Note 4"

or „ Note 4 Dissapointened"~ on GOOgle·.·
[Galaxy Note 4 General] fastmike:
Biggest missing item to me is the USB 3 that I found great when I moved to the Note 3 compare to the competition!

This is clearly a step back for Samsung and is going to be again painful to transfer movies and big files...

600$ is their only chance to sale that baby and keep the head of the game

;)
[Galaxy Note 4 General] Snowleopard1900:
I was looking at upgrading from a Note 3 (Verizon) to a Note for or Note Edge and I think I am going to wait also.

Waterproofing

There should only be 2 (maybe 3) storage options... 64gb and 128gb or 256gb with a micro sd card slot

Battery life (I use the 10,000mah Zero Lemon) on my note 3

USB 3 or 3.1 (how else am I going to transfer 128gb of files to the phone or sd card fast)

Stereo speakers with dolby certification. (Why do I put 24bit flac files in my music library)
[Galaxy Note 4 General] Kawaisa:
USB 3.0 is literally useless as it's currently being implemented on phones.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] force70:
You obviously dont do alot of data transfer..3.0 is considerably faster than 2.0 and is of great use for those of us who can appreciate the extra speed.

So to say its useless is quite shortsighted in fact.

sent from Canada via my Note 3, Note 2 or One X+
[Galaxy Note 4 General] Kawaisa:
Yes, it transfers faster if you're writing to the phone's memory, but not the SD card since none of these phones support UHS-I, and with the Note 3 it also turned off radios.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] frans23:
yeah, sure literally
[Galaxy Note 4 General] NLS:
You better read what exactly he wrote.

Also asking for a feature because you are going to use it once, doesn't sound very important.

BTW, to transfer files to your SD (assuming they are not already there), you shouldn't do it over your phone USB connection.

Use a card reader (most computers nowadays have one), or use a direct microSD-2-USB adapter (which costs like what... $5? If it is not included in the card package)...
[Galaxy Note 4 General] force70:
You do things how you prefer dude...and I will do the same.

I do regular (you better read that REGULAR..as in using more than once) backups to a portable 2 tb HDD direct from my device both int and ext storage...this works for me and this is my preference.

I also backup to my laptop and guess what...i use a card reader also.

Some of you guys are so funny.. Do this this way..do it that way like your ways are the best ways lol...everyone has preferences right or wrong its not relevant that's why it's called a "preference".

And just because you don't use the feature doesn't mean it is not important to others.

For example I think needing a water proof device is pointless as i dont need that feature however i realize others may need it and that's cool with me.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] NLS:
So I guess with your "preference" this device is not for you.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] Bruce lee roy:
Non 64bit compatability is not a good reason to be disappointed. Nor will it be for likely several generations following the note 4. Remember 64 bit chip is useless without apps to support it and I know of none that currently provide that support.

I've just arrived at the conclusion that the Android Community has become overrun by Android sheep. Maybe there was a mass migration from the Apple orchards... idk
[Galaxy Note 4 General] onesojourner:
I am a spec fanboy, but I guess I don't really know why 64bit would be useful until we have phones that need more than 4GB of ram.

The only thing I wish is that USB type C could have been announced 6 months ago and made it into this phone. Wireless charging is going to be a must for me. I have worn out the usb port out on my S3 almost twice in 2 years.

[IMG="http://gallery.dpcdn.pl/imgc/News/57116/g_-_-x-_-_-_57116x20140813085427_0.jpg"]http://gallery.dpcdn.pl/imgc/News/57116/g_-_-x-_-_-_57116x20140813085427_0.jpg[/IMG]
[Galaxy Note 4 General] force70:
Im going back and forth with it, I pre ordered one just for the hell of it. I am disappointed with some things about and happy about others.

I was really looking forward to a bigger screen with smaller bezels like the G3. At least the bootloader will be unlocked on my carrier unlike the G3 which is a huge plus.

Once I have it in my hand I will know whether I prefer it or not.

sent from Canada via my Note 3, Note 2 or One X+
[Galaxy Note 4 General] NLS:
While I was the first to bash 64bits on iPhone 5S, based on what 64bit technology is (it mostly is actually, the 64 bit addressing), this is not entirely true. (and is indeed more of a joke on iPhones with just 1GB RAM)

BUT... there are also the new 64bit CPU registers and functions. Also that moving 64bit words is twice as fast as moving 32bit words.

So there is an advantage even before RAM goes to 4GB. Actually even for RAM, since it is already 3GB, remember that more things reserve memory space NOT included in those 3GB, like some buffers and video memory (remember the problem with Windows 32bit and having 4GB RAM... seeing about 3GB).

Also, no it won't take "several generations". Android L will be compiled to 64bit and also the kernel. So all the underlying structure will get advantage of 64bit. Bigger devs will also adapt easily (initially just compiling a 64bit version and later with full new code).

Since I keep my phones for years (although because of my work I see almost everything out there from up close), I want something more future-proof. I guess I'll wait for the next Note or maybe S6 or Z4 if they finally really update the specs in that generation (as although my Note's stylus is a nice trick AND I come from Windows Mobile where the stylus ruled, I find myself popping it out very very rarely).
[Galaxy Note 4 General] rushless:
I have a few, but perhaps with the Note 5 next year :)

1. 64bit 20nm chipset (810)

2. 64GB option.

3. Would have preferred a little shorter rather than taller than the Note 3. That said, the iPhone 6 Plus is taller than the Note 4. Jeepers.

4. Speaker on the front.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] ProdByEchelon:
There's no point of have a phone that's not meant for active users to be water resistant and it doesn't need USB3.0 because it has Quick Charge and it's cheaper to replace the port and cable if anything happens to them.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] rushless:
I agree that there should be an active user option, but the Note 4 would have been even bigger. The protective layer and seal design of the S5 is why it has the extra bezel. Note 4 IMO would be too big then, since would be wider.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] Bruce lee roy:
64bit technology has been around for a while and we are just now starting to see broader range of apps capitalize on it. Most users wouldn't notice the difference since they aren't performing many resource intensive task. it's one thing for Android to go 64 but another thing entirely for dev community.

I really don't see much of a problem with using only 1 or 2gb of ram so long as it's sufficiently optimized to utilize it.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] elracing21:
So I work at bestbuy and I've been able to play with the note 4 demo and I'm disappointed in not having usb 3.0 I don't notice faster charging with the Qualcomm processor. Feel like 3.0 was faster and I miss the transfer speeds. Also the camera is barely an upgrade from the note 3. OiS is an over hype I expected leaps in the sensor but it wasn't. Front facing camera is about 15% better if I had to put a number on it.

I was going to upgrade before I got to play with it now idk.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] Bruce lee roy:
Started from the bottom now we're HERE!
[Galaxy Note 4 General] borijess:
Being able to bend. ?

Sent from the TermiNOTEr 2! ?
[Galaxy Note 4 General] JCM800:
Price..

Listed at £629 on Samsungs website. Disappointed,, thought they'd lower the price to combat the iPhone 6..getting too greedy Sammy..
[Galaxy Note 4 General] Lodix:
Are you saying that the Note 4 has this nanocoat protection or not ?? I don't see the point of your post.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] wase4711:
most of the posts in this thread have no point...
[Galaxy Note 4 General] NLS:
Well his post doesn't make much sense.

Anyway about nanocoating. No Note4 doesn't have it of course. No device has it. There is a company that does this. Only in USA AFAIK and only for specific tested models.

It seems to be a good solution. But is more money to throw on an already expensive device.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] WizeGuyDezignz:
Threads like this are pointless IMO. If you don't like what Samsung is offering with the Note 4, then don't buy it. A very simple but often neglected train of thought. You are the one in control and with the money in your wallet to buy a new phone if you so choose to. Buy something else that checks all the boxes off your list, it's not like the Note 4 is the only Android phone available.

USB 3.0 was an overrated "feature" IMO and same with water resistance. I've owned tens of smartphones over the past 4 years and I have never been in a situation where I needed water resistance. A little rain won't destruct a phone that doesn't have water resistance. And I have no interest in swimming with my smartphone or exposing it to water. The common sense factor comes into play with me, I've never destroyed a smartphone to this day because of water. And I'm not one of those people that likes to have something just to have it for peace of mind. Forget that, I'm a responsible person and if I destroy my smartphone (which I have never done in the past), I will take full responsibility for it.

Also, I think the Note 4 would have been too big if they made it water resistant. Just like the size difference of the S4 to S5. I currently own the S5 but would trade water resistance for the size of the S4. To each their own of course, but why complain about features that a phone doesn't have? It's just a phone after all, just take your money elsewhere.

With all of that being said, I've had a Note 4 pre-ordered since day one. I played with it in Best Buy as well to confirm I won't be cancelling that pre-order. The phone is downright awesome, regardless of it not having USB 3.0 or water resistance.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] BarryH_GEG:
But they sure make great sociological experiments. ;) Some of what I've never understood in these types of threads is the minutia people dive in to and get hung up on. Assuming someone's awake for 16 hours a day, how much of that time is devoted to assessing the perfection of their mobile device? Especially a month in to ownership when it becomes "just a phone" and not some object of mobile lust. If there's a paper-thin gap between the display glass and bezel on one side of the display, how important is that really?

Amen. It made the included USB cable needlessly thick, the USB charging port was off-center, it did nothing to improve charging time, and the sole benefit was faster USB data transfers

only

to a Windows PC. Even then, wireless connectivity was shut off while USB 3.0 was in use.

Another amen. My Note 2 was fully submerged in water for about 15 seconds once until I could fish it out. After drying it off, it thought the headphones were plugged in when they weren't and the speaker screeched like a Chinese tree monkey. The next day it was 100% back to normal.

Mobile device manufacturer's aren't idiots - they know where and how their products are going to be used. As tempting as it would be for Samsung to make devices that had to replaced if dropped or splashed they'd go out of business if their products didn't meet a competitive durability standard.

This is from a device testing video Samsung put out way before water resistance became chic...

Ya think? ;) And how would they make the S Pen and its silo waterproof? S Pens are are electromagnetic and not fond of moisture. I know because I got one wet and had to replace it.

Truth? Unlike from N2<>N3 I don't feel a burning need to move from N3<>Note 4. I have a N10.1-14 that I use heavily and the newer Samsung s/w on the Note 4 (EG: S Note, My Files) is going to make bouncing back and forth between them a pain in the ass. So will the task vs. menu button h/w change. That said, OIS is a

great

feature and the early pics show the camera's a big step up from the SGS5 and a huge step up from the N3; especially in less than ideal light. I like that it looks more premium than the N3 but that's a pretty shallow reason alone to ditch a fine phone. 1080P vs. QHD? That alone wouldn't make me switch and there's nothing wrong with the N3's display. Biggest reason I'm getting a Note 4? I'm on AT&T Next and it's free. ;)
[Galaxy Note 4 General] ECrispy:
The great hardware is rendered useless by terrible TouchWiz skin which is the worst fault in Samsung phones. If you've seen the L preview of TouchWiz, you now how horrible it is and has none of the great looks or features of L.

Since bootloaders are locked and stable roms will be hard to find, you'll be stuck with TW.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] wase4711:
n-o-v-a

l-a-u-n-c-h-e-r
[Galaxy Note 4 General] wase4711:
frankly, with the amount of muscle that most modern smart phones have, the complaints about lag, and how TW slows down your phone are pretty silly; plus, its so easy to set your phone up without alot of the things you mentioned, so why continually whine about how horrible TW is? I like those features, and I know that being on T mobile, with an unlocked boot loader, and people flocking to them like crazy, there will be several custom roms that are based on TW, with some of the "superbloat" taken out of them relatively quickly.

I like AOSP stuff too, but its nice to have a few different nandroids on your sd card, so its easy to go back and forth from TW to AOSP any time you feel like it, ESPECIALLY easy on Samsung devices...with ODIN always there as your safety valve, if needed..

I'm sure the note 4 won't be much different.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] CZ Eddie:
Stopped by Best Buy today to compare my Note 3 vs. their display Note 4.

The width of the two phones was the same to my naked, bad eyes. The height of the Note 4 was more than obviously taller. Like 1/4" taller. Ugh.

I was most interested in how much brighter the N4 was vs. N3 at manual 100% brightness. And while the N4 was definitely a tad "whiter", it was NOT noticeably "brighter".

I know the N3 will hit near 600 nits on auto brightness in the sun, and the N4 goes just a tad higher. But I was hoping manual brightness would be better for things like Lux Brightness app or AOSP, where you lose the extra brightness that Touch-Wiz' auto gives you.

I don't see myself feeling a need to upgrade.

But keep in mind, I was hoping I wouldn't find a need to upgrade.

In less than three minutes, I was hit up by four different Best Buy "Samsung Reps" who had a hard-on for trying to talk me into a pre-order. I've never had so much attention from sales at a Best Buy before.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] sonyfan12:
1) 240ghz flickering

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ynHdzrnBxI4&feature=player_detailpage#t=132

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mdneth_AKKA&feature=player_detailpage#t=130

http://www.ixbt.com/mobile/images/samsung-galaxy-note4/oled-mod.png

2) Bad camera. Note 4 have two bathes with different cameras, first with isocell (rosiness, blueness and oversatureted)

http://www.androidcentral.com/samsung-galaxy-alpha-vs-iphone-6

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rNAHv-E1HWU&feature=youtu.be&list=UUIrrRLyFMVmmL9NDAU2obJA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=atqshKOP55c

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w9m3SskIIvI

http://www.mobile-review.com/review/lenovo-vibe-z2.shtml#s7

http://hi-tech.mail.ru/review/Apple_iPhone_6_Plus_vs_Samsung_GALAXY_Note_4.html

(hi-tech mail made wrong screen test)

also watch phonearena camera tests,

second with sony camera

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=kMrybYOm8Sg#t=51

Need normal camera like in iphone 6 (not 6 plus)