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[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario Software Upgrading] anichillus:
Gods, ha ?

First of all, I'm a newbie. I have latest molski's rom, I didn't have any problems...I didn't asked "stupid" questions...

Unfortunately I was offended by this poll. Is it only me or this is going too far?

Since when you are a god because you did something good for the community?

News flash, Gods are born with knowledge. Einstein wasn't a god, yet I think he was smarter than all of us togheter.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think when U (molski) first began modding, you didn't knew everithing , and it's impossible that you never asked some silly questions

We arren't born with knowledge, we aquire it, and how else can we learn if we never ask anything. I agree some people ask questions that are already answered, but did it ever crossed your mind that there is no time to read all the posts...wich are quite a few? Nooo, they're stupid, and they can't read, isn't it so ?

That's it...i don't have time to waste with this "stupid" poll.

And the baseline is that I think you only wanted to have the so called "gods" by your side on your forum. But you forget that without Us, the stupid folks, you would be doing your roms....for yourself and that's it. So you need us. We don't need you...you're too smart for us, go along with your Gods :P
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario Software Upgrading] rkwhyte2:
Perhaps Gods went too far. :)

The thing is you don't have to read all of the posts I don't think anyone was asking you to do that. All you really had to do was read the first post in some of the threads and most of the questions you have would be answered. the problem was that many people (not all) never even read the first post in a thread. If you jump in with both feet instead of testing the water with one foot you must accept that sometimes you don't get what you expected.

KIrby
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario Software Upgrading] parlato_edoardo:
I don't think so, only they got really bored.

But they see only the wrong side of the medal.

:)
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario Software Upgrading] molski:
Your absolutely right, but I never asked questions that are aked multiple times before.

This is what I did, the week before I even ordered my Wizard on the web I read about 20-30 pages and 100s of topics on the 3 Wizard forums, therefore, when my Wizard arrived, my laptop was ready and so was LokiWiz, it was easy to CID unlock my device, I was convinced that I knew what I was doing, just by reading, reading and reading.

I suggest you to read all the threads I started, so you can see what I asked!

So you can see what I learned in not even a year.

So you can see how much time and effort I spend on this forum and for the community.

So you can see why me (and others) are a little pissed right now and don't understand why XDA Dev is not taking any strict actions.

The level that XDA wa son was real good, until 1-2 months ago, from that point it went downhill in a very short time.

That's why we want to see if it can be done in an other, better way.

It is NOT my intention to become a concurrent of XDA DEV, but I just wanna discuss issues other then G3/G4 and cid-unlock questions....

And looking add the people that are registered on my website, a lot of people think the same way.

It's not about the Noobs...it is about the people that DO NOT READ, ask questions that I read every day (including the answers) and brick their device and get mad

on people that are trying to help.

Just 2 examples, read the thread about my latest AKU2.3 Rom and Faria's AKU3.2 RC1 Rom....then you know what I am talking about...

Molski
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario Software Upgrading] Menneisyys:
Yeah, I own a Wizard too and liked Molski's 2.26 ROM a lot (also praised it a lot in my articles :) ).
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario Software Upgrading] Menneisyys:
As far as the main subject is concerned, I think some Wiki pages and FAQ's should indeed be created on the most important stumbling blocks and frequently asked questions.

There is indeed a LOT to read and digest for a newbie, particularly when he or she sees contradicting information. A well-explained Wiki page (or a thread starter continuously updated like the Universal A2DP tutorial, which, then, would be made sticky) would help a lot.

Any takers? :)
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario Software Upgrading] pof:
Have a look at the wizard wiki page, it's a chaos!! with a wiki like this, users go to foum and ask without reading.

First thing you have to do is have information well organized in the wiki, this will stop 50% of stupid / repeated questions. For the other 50% just 'be a bit rude' and reply with a wiki link, or "RTFW". This way noobs learn that information is there and is the 1st place they have to go and look.

Then be strict with forum organization: only let upgrading questions be on wizard upgrading forum, other questions move them to wizard forum and use it as a "trash bin" for the upgrading forum, this way the upgrading forum only has useful content and is easier to search there.

This is somehow the policy I'm applying to the hermes forum, and it is working fine by now, of course we have repeated questions but we encourage users to edit the wiki and reuse existing topics instead of starting new ones, see the sticky announcement.
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario Software Upgrading] xultar:
I think it might help if you offer mod positions to some of the Sr members like

Dr Puttingham, Faria, Molski, Kyphur
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario Software Upgrading] markgamber:
Eh, phooey
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario Software Upgrading] Lee1733:
Another thing you have to remember is that not everyone decides to post here. In fact, I would say that most of the intelligent users "read, read, read" until they know what they are doing, then they mod their phones and go on about their business without ever posting anything. Obviously, the people who don't read enough to know what they are doing and thus "brick" their phones, are going to make posts asking how to fix it.

However, being that I am new here myself, as I have just recently bought (and cid/sim unlocked) my wizard, I am not going to try to criticize you for leaving. In fact I'm going to join your forum also because a) The aforementioned group of people seem to know what they are doing with wizard's more than anyone. and b) I enjoy your rom and want to keep up to date with it. Having read through many of the topics when I was trying to learn how to cid/sim unlock my wizard, I do see that there is a problem with forum "cleanup" if you will. The real problem with this forum is that noone bothers to try to moderate it anymore. Hopefully this will not be an issue with Molski's forum. See you there.
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario Software Upgrading] pof:
Please see this post and put your request for moderators there:

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=286379
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario Software Upgrading] crazykiwi:
Count me in

Yes I want in and am happy to help test.

I even donate when I get to a point of using it for real ;)

Qtek 9100 G4 running Faria's latest 3.0.0 ROM
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario Software Upgrading] jpryor:
[borrow thread] Depending on your religion, Gods were as men are now, and men are that they might be Gods. So the pursuit of knowledge and then use of that knoweldge is one aspect of a "God" like attributes. [/borrow thread]

As for the more knowledeable people leaving, I can't blame them. To do what they have done for free and open it up to the rest of us is a tribute to their character.

I am as just as much a noob as the next. In fact, thanks to Cingular's shipped ROM on HTC's website, I had locked myself out of the ext_rom on my G4 Wizard. Thanks to my warranty I now have a G3 wizard. Wary of screwing myself over again, I am re-reading every topic I can find on backing up the shipped ROM, unlocking and upgrading my Wizard.

I haven't posted a "Help I bricked my Phone" thread because of my failure. I read the posts, researched, and used the search function some more and came to a conclusion and plan of action and now I am back in business.

I don't have a problem with Noobs asking legitimate, detailed and focused questions. Faria, MOlski, Dr. P, and every other wizard master was a noob at one point in time.

My problem is that people who may have a serious ADD/ADHD problem (no insult meant to those who have this problem) and go jumping in to something that their high school level intellect can comprehend.

Its like trying to do brain surgery after seeing an episode of nip/tuck or 3lbs (TV shows for those who don't know).

They see everyone else having success so they skip details (the instructions) by going straight for the download llink and expect a perfect result. When it goes horribly wrong they blame the "TV show" for not explaining the pre-op details and process!!

Just my .02 cents.

Jason
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario Software Upgrading] rkwhyte2:
We could call this the "No but I slept at a Holiday Inn Express last night

syndrome".

:)
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario Software Upgrading] nedchecx:
Hey Molski -

Listen, you "gods" need to cut people some slack. The search function for this forum SUCKS. No really it sucks! Anyway, it's hard for people to find info, especially newbies.

Anyway, I went to your forum devoted to yourself. No thanks. I will stay with XDA-developers which is truly a community. Maybe the short tempered, impatient "gods" will all go to your site. The rest of us who enjoy helping others will stick around here. Frankly, this forum has really gotten negative with all of the griping, I guess you can take your marbles and go play at your own house.

Sorry to be a little mean. I'm just saying what we all feel. We appreciate your work, but dang, lighten up. Just my 2 cents, bro.
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario Software Upgrading] newbie2:
I can empathize with BOTH sides of this issue. So, I'm not going to flame anyone for their opinion one way or the other.

Molski -- I've just registered on your forum (as ppcjunky) because I AM running one of your ROMs and I'm LUVIN it!!

However, I will still be checking in on BOTH forums -- in addition to the 6 others I'm registered on. I can't get ENOUGH knowledge about these devices. I LUV reading and learning and THEN applying what I've learned. Whether it's from xda, Molski, HoFo, PDAphonehome -- wherever -- I'm going to still be visiting them all

If there's something I don't understand, I'm going to ask. If I can help someone else out, I will. But like Molski -- I'm sick and tired of answering questions on ALL the forums that have been asked over. . . and over . . . and over again. So, I've gotten to the point of just ignoring those threads in order to keep my BP under control.

PLUS -- the more forums I visit, the more VARIOUS kinds of information I'm able to obtain and the LESS likely I am to go off on yet another unsuspecting poster asking the same question for the 500th time. :p
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario Software Upgrading] Dr Puttingham:
My, our panties are in a wad !

Well, Gods we're not! (and I never claimed to be) Molski, I believe, got caught up in the moment and misspoke. It is amazing however to hear people ***** and complain. Yes the search function here sucks.... get over it! Last year when I came here it sucked..... What's killed the search function here (and a hint, use the post instead of threads) is that there's so much wrongfully posted questions that have already been answered time after time.

I have an attitude it's true. Tough ****. I worked hard learning here and spent (and still spend) hours looking over all sorts of threads that really don't interest me at the moment perhaps. I love knowledge. I love being the very best at what I do, no matter what it is.

I love these phones and helping people. I love making really cool cabs that minimize my rebuild time.

I'll probably always help out here but not to the extent that I have in the past. It really sucks to not be appreciated.

My suggestion to you noobies is to learn your **** the same way we did because a growing number of us are tired of spoonfeeding you guys day after day.

Blast me all you want, what do I care?

I'm here for you - not you for me.
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario Software Upgrading] shogunmark:
i have to agree.. there are a lot of people on here who dont know how to search and ask the same things over and over.. I would gets TONS of pm's a day asking for a help.. and even though it pi$$ed me off i still helped them out in the pursuit of happiness from their device. I even had every intentions of finishing my rom but got busy with life then discouraged by some of the members on the board.. then i got a new device and moved on, but still check back here on the wizard boards.. and i have to say that if i still had a wizard there is no way i would want to finish that rom with some of the recents threads and posts, its like starting all over again!

Now while your idea is good about starting a new offsite board i dont think its going to solve the problem, its just a meer band aid. What we need is tougher enforcement on this board... If we let this kind of stuff happen on this board whats going to stop them from over taking the other boards??? just kinda have to stop it at the source.. if we let this stuff happen its gonna be a mess like howardsforum, have you ever tried to search that board?!?

I wanna point out another good reason why this stuff must stop and a need for tougher mod's.. so most of you know i have now got a 8525/hermes well i was browsing www.htcamerica.net to see if there was any updated roms yet, anyway i was just browsing their support pages for my device and they list external sites for help/tips/tricks/tweaks for their devices... does anyone wanna guess what site was the first one on the list.. it was this board!!!
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario Software Upgrading] shogunmark:
wanna know why the search function sucks.. its because the millions of uneccessary posts from people not wanting to read and to be spoonfed the same information. let me bring up a good example, search the wizard thread for keyboard backlight, i just answered a new post on that a few minutes ago, this is something that has been covered over and over and over

i also want to point out there are 2 different types of newbs, there are ones who register, have a clue, search and dont post stupid questions, then there are the dreaded ones that just register here for an answer and make a blatant post when they didnt even search for an answer
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario Software Upgrading] new2city:
Dear Seniors,

Is there anyway for us, plain old "non newbies but also non-angels" or "the not so experienced but will get there soon with more reading" to get you guys to hang around this forum? I mean, I understand the frustration you feel when asked stupid/repeated newbie questions, as I get this at my workplace where I am the more experienced.

I mean, it is a fact of life, the experienced will guide the inexperienced, so why must you punish the many for the sins of a few. Right now, I would love to join your new forum but I don't feel worthy as I haven't even flashed a ROM yet, it is because I have a feeling it will make a brick out of my expensive(to me) phone. And I was right, as I found out later as I read up your advice.. mine is a G4 wizard phone... (yeah, I know there threads talking about solving this AND there are ways of doing upgrading the ROM on the G4 without "killing the phone"(learnt this from shogunmark, thanks man)...

Anyway, just give us "middle class" a thought before you "abandon" this forum altogether.. So far, the only way I can contribute to this forum is to do what you "detest" most, answer the repeating newbie questions... Hope that helps..

Thanks for all the good work, all the same, you deserve it and you have the right to go.
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario Software Upgrading] shogunmark:
your welcome...

And i think the most frustrating thing is that here within the last month some of the senior members have been flamed.. and no matter how many people you help out it seems like that 1 flame out of a million is enough to make you feel like your not appreciated.. i know i got flamed on my thread, and _S flamed faria and alot of other people on the board...

anyway, blah blah blah, im ranting... i think something we need to focus on is updating the wiki then we can point people there insteading of explaining it over and over until our fingers bleed
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario Software Upgrading] mlehtola:
Agree. I've been here only couple months, but still haven't noticed any kind of moderations. Other thing is the categories, there's over 70000 posts under just 2 categories...it should really ring some bells somewhere!
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario Software Upgrading] Brando457:
just registered and i like the idea molski

the "Gods" of the Wizard rock and I appreciate everything you do. All it takes is alittle, i mean alot of reading and reading again, but once that is done everything is easy.
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario Software Upgrading] WRMG3:
as i do agree with molski about wanting to start his own forum and such i kinda wish the "gods" wouldn't leave. i hope xda steps up and does the right thing to keep these guys here to help out.

i know i'm still a noob, but i have also been trying to help people with searching and what not. i just answered a few threads about noobs asking questions. i know i have a lot of reading a head of me and i have already read a lot. i'm not downloading any roms until i completly understand what i'm doing to my phone and exactly how to do it.

i hope you guys stick around for the ones that do appreciate you guys. even though i don't know any of you and i just started about a week ago i have already thanks shogun and nomad and they really didn't help me out to much but they pointed me in the right direction
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario Software Upgrading] PDAtor:
As far as i own the Wizard for two weeks only I'm a two week n00bie (as Gods say :)) here on xda. But with the help of the xda and without a single question posting found out that I own the G4 one, that it's CID-locked, what ROMs could be flashed on it and finally reflashed it the next day I owned it. So I think the problem is not the forum, but newbies who come here and just don't read or don't even know about the forum, because they got link to the ROM on ftp. Maybe the sticked thread called "Urgent emergency online help" would help newbies not to post in every single thread. And users (not Gods :)) who'd like to help would answer the Q's.

So far I'm interested in two threads - "the free G4 CID-unlock project" and ROMs development. So if Gods will go to Molski forum I'll attend both: xda and Gods forums :)

P.S. To Gods: don't forget that at some point you also were newbies. ;)
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario Software Upgrading] mforce:
All I can say is respect @Mr P for staying human among "the Gods"

And Mr Molski don't get me wrong, I love the roms you "cook" but you're not creating life.

And why you guys call it cooking? its more like mixing.

And another thing, I don't think you can expect 99% of the MDA users that just want a new ROM or new functions to live their life on XDA and reading about ROMS and stuff, some people just want to flash and get on with their life.

Using PHPBB is a step in the right direction :) hoping Molski will be using stickies and tutorials..

Does this subforum even have mods?

My 2 (euro)cents.
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario Software Upgrading] s4vva:
Close the door behind you

I think Molski and the other 'Gods' are making this far more complicated than it has to be. If you see a stupid question just do what I do, dont answer it.

Your not obliged to contribute but your help is welcome. I appreciate the hard work you guys have put in, I am running one of the Molski ROM's now and I am very happy with it.

I dont understand why you would let stupid questions get to you, just dont take it personally and ignore it.
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario Software Upgrading] ronh:
I agree, just as I've written in the thread about faria's 3.2 rom see here, I miss the moderation.

I spend a lot of time on a large forum in Holland but there's quite an active moderation. Thinks rarely go offtopic and are cleaned if so.

And noob questions are moved to the Trashcan forum, with a remark from the moderator to search or so.

I too have joined the new forum, but I regret that this forum is loosing so many good members and developers.

One tip to the group of developers (don't like the term God's) which are leaving now: Create a group of very active Moderators, or else you'll face the same problems in a nick of time on your new forum.

I'll keep visiting xda-dev because I was just going to try the new ROM's, but mostly came here for other issues. And mostly found where I was looking for.
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario Software Upgrading] _Nomad_:
Ok guys, why don't we just let this rest now. The mods have seen this situation and have aknowledged the need for more active moderators on the forum... You can cast your vote here.

Molski, faria and the rest will all be sourly missed and I for one wish them the best of luck with the "new" forum and I hope that one day it will be a great source of knowledge that can very much coexist with this site.

And I know that both newbies and senior members are frustrated over the situation that has developed over the past couple of months, and that some even feel greatly offended by it.

But come on guys. Why don't we just try to concentrate on what we do best here on xda-developers, find new and better ways to mod and improve our beloved phones;)
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario Software Upgrading] risidoro:
IMHO

IMHO, people who know a bit more than others (but, pls, don't call them gods!) should spend a little time in the wiki section of this site. Or they should write a simple tutorial and post it in the forum.

A couple of months ago, i was able to install a custom rom in a friend's locked G4 and i posted somewhere that i was able to do it. In a day, i received more than 100 PMs from people asking the details. Instead of answering them one by one, i wrote a small tutorial and posted it.

I still receive some PMs but most people find my tutorial and: a) learn something useful; b) solve their problems and c) don't bother me.

Molski, i know you're tired but i think this is the cost of notoriety. People believe in you, pls don't quit this forum!
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario Software Upgrading] fla242:
You're right !!

only the G4 section is (for the moment) safe

join you to molski forum ;)
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario Software Upgrading] molski:
Oh my god, this thread explains exactly what is going on with the Wizard forums right now.

Strange thing is that a lot of members that don't even have 10-15 posts also start complaining here, especially about me for saying all this, but before this thread they wanted to kiss me because they are so happy with my Molski.Biz Roms :S

A lot of senior members know exactly what I mean after reading my post, so guys, be honest, it's true.

I think my "pissed off" point and the points of almost all (already left) senior Members are noticed by everyone on XDA.

I still will continue my own forum, just as another knowledge base and running the way I and other senior members (ya all know who I am talking about!) like it most! It just feels great to have the power to close topics that are not needed at all !

The thing I hate most is that in a whole post about how I hate it that XDA is going down the drain, all *****ing members only saw the word "God"....

If you *****ing folks just knew how many PM's and mails I get with questions and problems that are talked about and solved already here on XDA the last few weeks!

So I only have to say this right now, XDA you understand our situation and the problems we have with XDA going downhill very fast?

This topic can be closed!

I hope a mod will do this real soon!

Molski
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario Software Upgrading] xultar:
You can't go by post number alone. I've been a member for a while...I enjoyed reading mostly. I have a low post count but it doesn't mean I'm new to the forum.