yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario Software Upgrading] vijay555:
Ok guys, I'm too lazy to read the thread, but I'm wary of fracturing xda devs into/onto other websites. I think all contributing developers should have their own website anyway, for appropriate accreditation of their work (ie, I have my own website, but also release here [and usually release here first!]), but it's convenient to also use XDA devs as a repository for knowledge and contributions on these phones.

If we splinter off, then it'll cause duplication of efforts, and we're a community that thrives off of each others' work.

As an alternative, I propose setting up a new subforum for Brainiacs or similar. Entry should be by election only, ie other members will sponsor someone to be made a member of the Brainiac subforum. This should be a velvet roped community, and will be small, but exclusively for those who want to geek it up. Non members can view but not post, so everyone gains the benefit - less noob posts, but shared knowledge.

Modaco has its Modaco Member's Only forum, and we have a hidden Moderator only forum. I think a Brainiacs forum would be a good, healthy compromise.

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[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario Software Upgrading] ClassicalDonkey:
I am with you guys, it is so boring to look at the same posts!!! My self i was one of those people that did read and i am better for it, but i still will not try somehting till i am 200% sure. Like making my own e_rom. I am still reading how to do it and that has been for months now.

But i do wish people would read more nad ask less!!! it would help so much. Everything you could think about it here, just look!!!
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario Software Upgrading] Vilem:
why is all the biggest contributors gone???

Summitter,risidoro,molski now,shongunmark,ktamas,dr.p, etc etc and me?

[/QUOTE]

Faria, I think I know the answer to this one, also it maybe answers a few of the comments about the wizard Forum also.

The Wizard is old, there's a replacement on the market and one yet to come. This means the wizard is getting cheaper and cheaper, a lot of other people are buying the wizard now.

If you want to get your new, fresh "audience", move on, because the Wizard isn't getting better including the audience.
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario Software Upgrading] fla242:
I think you'rte wrong, i know a lot of newbee who buy new device like tytn ...

And by the way a lot of experienced user who buy "old" device because they are not expensive and because then manipulate them without lost a lot of money in case of error ...

The problem is that guys don't read post before ask question A lot of guys think they are alone in the forum and post anything everywhere...Most of guys are egoist..And the good member who search for something find nothing because the forum become a big bazaar
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario Software Upgrading] Vilem:
You're missing the point here:

1. a lot of people, a lot of stupid stupid questions.

2. less people, less stupid questions.

3. a lot of people, messy forum.

4. less people, neat forum.

5. new phone, new problems.

6. old phone, old problems.

So in this messy forum about an old phone, a lot of people are asking a lot questions about a silly old problems.

................. So if you're an allknowing "God" on this forum, one can expect the previous mentioned.

Me, a "Senior Member", ignore this, I read, read and read, filter the usefull info and use this for my old phone. I'm even running Molski's modified T-mobile ROM, because it's good.......
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario Software Upgrading] jwzg:
OK..here's a great one...

In the thread about changing the splash screens, someone the other day wrote, "how do I get rid of the HTC splash screen?" The answer is RIGHT THERE ON THE FIRST PAGE OF THE THREAD! This guy had over 60 posts and still asked? That is the kind of ignorance Molski and others are referring to. Yeah, I blasted him hard for NOT READING! When I read a thread, I don't want to waste my time reading garbage.
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario Software Upgrading] bittermormon:
Is it possible to have this braniacs forum be able to be viewed by all, but the ability to post is by invite only? While that wouldn't help faria and others with the PM issues, it would still let the community be able to peek in and see whats being cooked up.
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario Software Upgrading] Lee1733:
In response to the PM issues that many of our veteran users are having, I propose looking for either a PM block or PM allow script, that would either block certain users from sending you a PM, or allow only certain users to send you a PM; if it could do both then that would be great. I personally run a phpBB and I have seen such script's for it, however this forum is vBulletin so I'm not sure about it. I would hope that it has as many/more mods than phpBB since it costs money.
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario Software Upgrading] _Nomad_:
This feature already exist.. check your control panel
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario Software Upgrading] shogunmark:
in response to the post about some of us moving on, yes its true, i moved on and got a hermes, most of it cause i wanted to start on something a little more complicated, and kinda wanted to get away from the whiney btching... but i also want to point out that on every visit to this community i ALWAYS drop by the wizard threads to help out... and i became turned off from that due to last battle with _S... but i still come back time after time to look and see if someone needs genuine help. yes there are some n00bs that appreciate our help and some of us seniors have loyal fans and n00bs that understand and want to learn, and i for one love those guys, and was once one of those guys, i wouldnt be here without molski, faria and dr. p... its the ones that post and post and post looking for the same answer and when they dont get it in 30 seconds they start btching and trashing people... its uncalled for and shouldnt be tolerated, i for one wouldnt let it stand if i were a mod, it hurts the integrity of the board as much as people posting warez..
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario Software Upgrading] new2city:
I give in, let's get technical at Molski's forum.. a bit quiet there at the moment... hmmm...
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario Software Upgrading] Dr Puttingham:
A capital idea.

'nuff said!
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario Software Upgrading] shogunmark:
it has my vote as well
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario Software Upgrading] alexn2:
it is clear what everyone's greviance is. People are testing beta and expecting the results of a final product. That said apologies to the rom cooks here. Anyone notices __s absence from the comments. He must have learnt his lesson. So what next?

Limited access to view and not comment on some forums and unlimited access to other forums. Question, who will offer answers on forums that have unlimited postings or the brianiacs will never visit the common (ignorant) folks forums.

If you download a cooked rom and have issues to report, where will you post comments, at brainiacs or dummy forums?

If you have stupid questions as explained by someone here that volume breeds stupidity where will those questions be asked? Who will offer answers, the rest of the dummies or brianiacs thay visit the dummies forums?

We seem to be missing the whole point here, a forum is where you have the free flow of ideas. Sure you are bound to get pissed off when some calls you a #$%2Hd%* just becuase you cooked a rom to make their phone run better and did it at no cost to them, but how can that be avoided? Stupid people always say stupid things. Creating a new forum at Molksi will end up with the same result. He'll just be a mod cook plus moderator and have to delete the same stupidity here. So the solution.

Create additional sections for example under Wizard, create a section for roms and a subsection for each variety. Allow the room creator to have a section for the rom, description etc, then create a seperate section for support, this way someone looking for the rom and related issued by experts can read but not comment. They can post comments in the support area where others can assist them. If the rom creator has a comment/solution that is useful to all users he can post the information under the rom section. This way users can follow the evolution of the rom on one thread and find support answers on another. This way everyone, smart and stupid go to one place to look for information xda.....
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario Software Upgrading] cushcalc:
You said a lot of good stuff, thoughtful stuff.

Reading all the (what seems to me) petty bickering that has been going on, I don't know whether to laugh or to cry.

I have learned a lot of things by reading and searching (that search function is woefully obtuse, I must say) - it sure hasn't been easy.
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario Software Upgrading] shogunmark:
ok, i think the "GOD" term has been well over used in this thread.. it seems like some people stopped reading at that word but forgot to see what else is behind it.. let me copy/paste:

"Me, Dr Puttingham, Faria and a few others..."the Gods of the Wizard Upgrading Forum" (if I can call myself and the rest of them like that) are pissed off"

he wasnt calling himself or any others gods, was just making a reference point of what some others have called us, i have been called it (while i do believe that i am :D )... anyway i think the phrase was taken out of context.. ok had to get that off my chest, all the god posts were bugging me.. have a nice day :p
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario Software Upgrading] navy2010:
Registration problem

I registered under the same user name: Navy2010, it won't let me logon and i never received the verification email. I might entered a wrong email address? What can I do?

Thanks
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario Software Upgrading] JKR:
Didn’t this used to be a developer forum, and non-developers weren't really supposed to post. I'll regurgitate what I read before, more mods are needed. to be honest though, as a ROM cooker myself, finding extraction methods isn't all that easy. I spent a good 4 hours looking for extraction methods for one ROM. It's kind of hit and miss at the wiki on this, and google didn't help either. I finally found it (just started reading mamiachs posts from as far back as was in the forum. And yet I still didn't ask for this info. I was, and still am, convinced that it was purposely made obscure to prevent the flood of posts from those that didn't really know what they were doing, and bricked their devices.

Regards,

Jason
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario Software Upgrading] alexn2:
You had an interesting and long quote only to make me laugh with your last comment. By the way another issue, we posters get no respect (we are celled idiots becuase of our low post count), unless we promote ourselves with these kinds of silly comments.

So to the Gurus/gods/Wizards high post count is not a criteria for testing roms, there are lots of genuises that just watch this forum without making silly remarks. I for one look silly as a newbie yet without giving details will eat your for breakfast ala PPC.
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario Software Upgrading] alexn2:
Why did you pick the wizard froum with all of the ongoing issues to post this question. Now we all look really bad. Maybe like someone said, there are too many wizards around so everyone comes here.
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario Software Upgrading] mdsharpe:
this kind of elitist attitude will not work for you. the idea of a community is that everyone participates, and if a small few who consider them to be "gods" decide to alienate everyone else, who they call 'noobs', then that is no longer a community.

remember that everyone was at one point a 'noob'.
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario Software Upgrading] shogunmark:
i would like to congratulate you on a fantastic first post!!!! its this kinda of stuff that makes this a great community! and you my friend can pm me anytime and i will be more than happy to help you out where i can, you remind me of me when i came here, i registered and didnt post for 3 months, just read, and read and read, then after i felt comfortable and knowledgable i started posting! some consider me one of the guru's these days, but i still consider myself a noob, there is so much to learn and such little time to learn it!

oh and you if wanna hear *****ing, just call my wife :D
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario Software Upgrading] texasaggie1:
Dude, what you need is a vacation

Mollski - First of all let me say, 'Thanks' for all of your hard work. But I need to say that you and and a few others have flipped out a bit. If you hate a post or a pm and it is stupid, just ignore it. Don't let it bother you. Sure they are lame, stupid, and a waste of time... just ignore them. They way you are going you look a little ridiculous... like those guys in high school that think they are smarter and better than everyone. No one really even KNOWS or cares what they think. They too think they are 'gods' and in the eyes of a few, they are. But to most they are just what we call in the u.s. 'nerds.' I don't think that is what you are or want to be known as, but that is where you are headed. So take a vacation and come back ready to ignore the rude and ignorant types.
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario Software Upgrading] texasaggie1:
Wow

Dr P - everybody who reads this post is already 'OVER' the fact that the search engine sucks. That is where your logic is flawed. In fact, even the new people are 'over' it. Ok now, we are over it, but it still sucks. It is hard to find any useful info. I just google what I need from here. Anyway, they can't find info so they re-ask. That is a fact of life that you need to get 'over.' It's the same with not posting the 'right' way. If you have a life outside of this forum it takes several months to figure things out. We should just be patient, and like I said to Molski, ignore stuff when it bothers us. If not, you'll just end up bitter old men.

By the way, a forum by it's definition is where people discuss. EVERY forum is like that. People focus on what is fresh, not posts from three months ago. Most of us are too busy to read all of the old stuff on here. I say that because every forum is like this one, even down to the gods griping and leaving. It's just a fact of life.

I really do appreciate your work and hope you stick around and keep on building this community.
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario Software Upgrading] markgamber:
There's two problems with that....you can't ignore the parrots squawking because it's everywhere. It ruins a search that was barely functional to start with. It turns a well written tutorial into 65 pages of worthless crap. It clogs PMs, you can't find your own post from 10 minutes ago. Simply ignoring what you don't like doesn't fix anything. In fact, it makes it worse. The second problem is that the clueless don't deserve to be dismissed out of hand, they deserve to be taught so they're not clueless. Every one of the people around here who know what they're doing were clueless one time and one way or another, they learned, then turned around and taught others. If the clueless today are blown off, who's going to be doing the learning and teaching tomorrow? Correct, no one. The site needs a

REAL SOLUTION

not compounding ignorance with ignorance. In the meantime, if the experts want a vacation, they deserve one, let them alone. And chill with this "gods" crap, too. I'm athiest, I don't believe in Zeus, and I seriously doubt that anyone really needs the pressure of being called a "god" by someone who thinks that will get them the password to a rom or whatever makes them think they're cooler than the kid next door today. There's no quick fix to the problems here so relax and let those capable of sorting it out do so.
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario Software Upgrading] shogunmark:
except for me, i am god :eek:
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario Software Upgrading] alexn2:
Ok god, we need a new rom 3.2 that works perfectly. Did you know that God is perfect?????????????????????????
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario Software Upgrading] terribletrouble:
Moving away from XDA

You know, this is such an interesting topic, I read many groups/posts daily, and contribute a fair amount under various aliases. The number one thing that I see everywhere, is the need that people feel to shout, swear, complain, cry and so on.

The main purposes of these boards, is information sharing. Come on in, look it up, once you are finished with an extensive search, you either have your answer or you do not. If you do not - and you have looked - then feel free to post, someone else is bound to have a similar problem. Sometimes n00bs also have problems. I personally flashed my device to risidoro's ROM a while back, and had the same problem that another n00b had, I had to flash back to the original, before I could go on up. Well, it was his post that lead me to the solution.

So I will happily go to any forum to find the info I need, but it sure is nice to find it here on XDA, all under one roof. Bearing in mind that a big search will sometimes yield results for another device, which work just fine on our Wizards, like an application issue.

My solution, is that users cannot post until they have read X number documents, maybe the reading of docs can be tracked by cookies, or something like that. What it will rid the boards of, is someone who wants to flash, gets stuck and then says, "I'll post for an answer". Before they can do that, they have to read 50 pages of data on XDA. (Very difficult to determine which pages they will or have read, but it will make them search before they post.) I think I have read every single page on this forum, hence I have not actually had the need to post a question here.
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario Software Upgrading] kyphur:
Change is on the way...

Guys,

How about this....

Everyone calm down for a bit, just relax and enjoy the holidays. The moderators are now aware of the situation and doing what they can to get us some Moderators in the Wizard Forums.

If a few active Wizard owners work together to keep these forums moderated then things will get better. What we need now is patience.

I think that we will see some new Moderators and when that happens if the users work with them I'm sure things will change for the better.

I'd bet Molski, Faria and the others would appreciate someone actively cleaning the threads and reducing the duplicates.

We also have a few dedicated users working on fixing the WizaWiki. This will be a big help to Noobies and veterans alike.
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario Software Upgrading] ClassicalDonkey:
I would say that was a good idea, but then why should we have to have that!!! it would be a pain in the butt for the people that have been here abit, as we would all have to do it before we could post again!
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario Software Upgrading] Nate731:
Well Said!

Unfortunately, with any online forum there's that element of "noob-ness" that everyone goes through at the beginning, Even Molski (Great job on the 30mb rom BTW :)), Faria, Shogunmark, etc... The difference is making the effort to find your answer before you post, and then when/if you post being realistic about it. NOBODY is on these forums 24/7, period. NOBODY is going to answer a demanding question. Like was stated earlier in this thread, we're all here of our own will. If you don't like it here, it's YOUR OWN perogative to leave. All of the whining about Molski, Faria, etc leaving is bull****. Personally I don't have the time to devote to home-brewing roms, so I go read what everyone else has posted and what they have shared. If they leave, then I'll follow and READ some more. It doesn't necessarilly mean abandonment of XDA by anymeans, just that now there'll be yet ANOTHER source for information.

[SOAPBOX]

I'm the resident IT guy for my company supporting about 60-75 people, most of which don't want to learn anything. I completely understand Molski's point of view on this situation, I mimic it in real life every day. Everyone wants the toys, and they want them NOW. But when they break them, IT'S SOMEONE ELSE'S FAULT! Well SH!T, if they had bothered to listen or read, then gues what? You wouldn't have these problems now, would ya? It's EASY to draw a direct parallel from that to this (and many other) boards. Many of the noobs, but not all, need to take some damn responsibility of their actions, and find their own damn information. The rest of us had to at the beginning!

Welcome to the world of tomorrow where everyone expects to be handheld through their life by Mommy and Daddy, then the authorities (government, corporate life, internet forums, etc). Welcome to the world of tomorrow where we've learned that it's OK to whine and cry and pass the blame when we've screwed up. Welcome to the world of tomorrow where we expect everyone else to protect us from ourselves. Welcome to the world of tomorrow where we all expect to get something for nothing...

Now maybe the "Gods of the forum" comment by Molski was too strong of a statement, but it gets the point across. If you choose the read too far into it, you're looking for a fight already and it's probably not with anyone on this board. Go have a beer (Mt. Dew for the under21 crowd) and chill out.

[/SOAPBOX]
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario Software Upgrading] madrascafe:
suggestion on your forum

maybe you should have a thread for NOOBS
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario Software Upgrading] newbie2:
Couldn't have said it better myself. Seems the MAJORITY of the "under-30's" population think the whole world owes them "instant gratification". They want it NOW, and they're gonna' get it now. Doesn't matter who they get it from, either . . . as long as THEY don't have to do anything for it.

I think they ALL need to listen to Bill Gates' speech about the REAL WORLD that he made to a graduating class. Luv him, or hate him -- he made some EXCELLENT points!!

RULE 1

Life is not fair - get used to it.

RULE 2

The world won't care about your self-esteem. The world will expect you to accomplish something BEFORE you feel good about yourself.

RULE 3

You will NOT make 40 thousand dollars a year right out of high school. You won't be a vice president with a car phone, until you earn both.

RULE 4

If you think your teacher is tough; wait till you get a boss. He doesn't have tenure.

RULE 5

Flipping burgers is not beneath your dignity. Your grandparents had a different word for burger flipping - they called it Opportunity.

RULE 6

If you mess up, it's not your parents' fault, so don't whine about your mistakes, learn from them.

RULE 7

Before you were born, your parents weren't as boring as they are now. They got that way from paying your bills, cleaning your clothes and listening to you talk about how cool you are. So before you save the rain forest from the parasites of your parent's generation, try delousing the closet in your own room.

RULE 8

Your school may have done away with winners and losers, but life has not. In some schools they have abolished failing grades and they'll give you as many times as you want to get the right answer. This doesn't bear the slightest resemblance to ANYTHING in real life.

RULE 9

Life is not divided into semesters. You don't get summers off and very few employers are interested in helping you find yourself. Do that on your own time.

RULE 10

Television is NOT real life. In real life people actually have to leave the coffee shop and go to jobs.

RULE 11

Be nice to nerds. Chances are you'll end up working for one.
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario Software Upgrading] alexn2:
So now we're done with the poetry, when is someone going to serve up some cooked 3.X roms.

I'm still **managing*** faria's rc1 with no messaging. Messaging is broken (crying)....... but not *****ing....