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[Galaxy Note 4 General] Strategist:
1. QHD screen 515 ppi versus 386

2.Superior processor, SD805 or Exynos 5433

3.16 MP camera with OIS, 3.7 MP front camera with f/1.9 aperture

4.heart-rate sensor

5. UV and SP02 sensors ( not sure what they do)

6. fingerprint scanner

7. Beidou support in GPS (I wonder if this makes a difference)

8. faster charging battery

9. 3 microphones

10. Improved S-pen with tilt/speed sensitivity

11. Metal frame

12. 2.5D glass for better edge gestures

A couple of omissions from Note 3: you have USB2 instead 3 and there is no temperature sensor which IIRC didn't work well anyway.

Overall it seems a really solid hardware upgrade, particularly the screen,processor and camera.

Anything that I have missed? And what do you feel about these upgrades particularly the less discussed ones.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] xda rocks:
Does 2.5D glass adds sturdiness to Note 4 display than the devices that do not have it?

BTW, just adding to your list; The S Pen Pressure Sensitivity level have gone up from 1024 to 2048 level.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] Strategist:
Yeah I think they mentioned in the keynote that 2.5D is sturdier though it would be nice to get some details.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] art90262:
None of those "improvements" make me wanna jump from my n3 as i did from my n2....general concensus is that even though some things got a bit better the majority of XDA members agree this n4 isnt worth the upgrade.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] Tornadobarrage:
Anyone know if it will have 64GB internal?
[Galaxy Note 4 General] Strategist:
I think it's way premature to talk about a consensus. It's quite common when a new flagship is released to see people complaining about it. I have seen it with the Note 3,Note2, GS5,GS4 among others. Then after a few months things will settle down. One year from now people will complain about the Note 5 including happy Note 4 owners who will talk about how much more the 4 brought to the table compared to the 3.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] sonhy:
totally agree with you, there would be very few note 3 owners who were excited to see the note 4 unpacked. if i was on a note 2, I can see the urge to upgrade...

The note series should be about innovation not improvement.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] sonyfan12:
Note2

1/3" bsi, no ois

PWM

6,597К

106% SRGB (good)

blueness/greeness at angle

not good gray and white color

plastic body

lags

arm v7

Note3

1/3" bsi, no ois

PWM

6,612 K

113% SRGB (not good)

blueness/greeness at angle

not good gray and white color

plastic body

lags

arm v7

Note4

1/2.6 bsi with ois

perhaps no pwm

very good calibration like alpha and s5 lte-a

very good viewing angles like s5, alpha and s5 lte-a

metal body

no lags

arm v8
[Galaxy Note 4 General] bogdan1980:
Note 4 no usb 3.0, this is super bad... Instead of transferring data to PC, from PC with 100-200 mb will we have 15 mb.

They take usb3.0 because its cheaper this way... And rom, kernel, emmc, drivers must be 100‰ stable to transfer at that speed. It's easier for them to put usb 2.0 back. For me this mean i will choose another phone with usb 3.0.

Huge resolution that compensate with higher cpu clock and gpu, so in the end performance will be equal or lower then note3...

40‰ more pixels to draw, 40% more gpu speed =the same...... So compared to note3 gpu its the same.

Note 3 rooted knox 1, my last Samsuck crap. I want freedom. Stay away from Samsuck!
[Galaxy Note 4 General] gtalum:
How much data are you transferring between your phone and your pc?

i though the bump back to USB 2.0 was odd, too, but then I realized I never transfer data that way so I am thinking it's a reasonable trade-off to save space and make the build a little bit less expensive.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] tft:
there is really no need for usb3. iirc they said the reason they removed it was because they found out many people weren't using it on the S5 and they wanted to free up some space so they chucked it. i use wifi to transfer files from pc to phone.. its faster than usb2 and i don't need to plug any cables..
[Galaxy Note 4 General] bogdan1980:
This is lame and fake. All people are using usb 3.0 for charging faster on wall. second if you have newer pc case with usb 3.0 you will plug note 3 into blue usb pc case..... If you have usb 3.0 and dont know about it.......

Third, in note3 in setings when you plug it in pc, there was usb 3.0 option... But it was disabled by default. That's why people aren't using it, they didn't know about it.

Personal i transfer weekly hd rec video on pc, 10-15gb plus huge data downloaded on note..... Put them to pc. Usb3.0 is over 100mb...

I rest my case.

Note 3 rooted knox 1, my last Samsuck crap. I want freedom. Stay away from Samsuck!
[Galaxy Note 4 General] busab:
SP02 sensors measure the oxygen level in your blood. Which is a pretty cool feature I think.

The UV sensor will tell you how strong the ultraviolet rays from the sun are outside so you will know how long you have before you risk getting a sunburn.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] bala_gamer:
Arm v8? Really?
[Galaxy Note 4 General] apprentice:
This is exactly my opinion too. It's not just Samsung but all manufacturers when releasing a new phone get criticised. I like a new phone every year anyway so I am certainly going to be getting a Note 4 or Edge :)
[Galaxy Note 4 General] jeweller_by:
When you say 'many' it means 'not all'. Those who know how to use usb3 on Note 3 will hate usb2 on Note 4. I have usb3 HDD which I use with my note 3 for quickly copying my photos and videos during travels, I also use the port for quick uploading movies to the phone. I even bought usb3 1Gbit ethernet card, added drivers into kernel for it, and now using it at work and at home, thought WiFi is much slower than 1Gbit ethernet. Removing usb3 port was really bad idea. This was very disappointing decision of Samsung.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] thekoRngear:
+100

The truth is just spoken out. Best thing is to avoid the moaning and whining and with the core spirit of xda lets find out how much development can be made to the device with the given hardware and software to make it even smoother and richer experience. The more improvements are made the more "dissatisfaction" are seen, meh.

I see both the SOCs can decode/play hevc/h.265 is a great hardware improvement
[Galaxy Note 4 General] gtalum:
Most people charge their phones from the wall at night, and in that case usb 3 doesn't really offer an advantage over usb 2. I suspect that I speak for the vast majority when I say I really don't care about usb 3 vs usb 2 on my phone.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] chong67:
I dont even do that. I am getting me 2 extra battery and a external charger for $30. Just pop in/out and go.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] IamIrene:
btw anybody can explain what is that 2.5D glass and SPO2 ?

for the 2.5D glass, a lot website stated that s3 also using it
[Galaxy Note 4 General] Delakit:
Silly children. If the phone isn't worth it to you then don't pay it any mind.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] Zanr Zij:
Simple: small curve edge screen + better viewing angle quality.

curve edge scree: S3, Note 2 already got it.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] DECIM8:
It seems like the Note line is loosing a bit of its identity with this update. Its becoming more of a larger S5 with and S-pen than a powerful, lean business device. The upgrades to the Spen are great and I hope the changes make a noticeable difference. A fingerprint sensor is a great addition as well. The additional S-health related sensors don't make sense to me on the Note line. If I wanted a device to jog with or use at the gym a Note device would be nowhere near my list. These sensors make much more sense on smaller devices or better yet watches that send the sensor data to a phone. I think that dropping USB 3 is a horrible decision. I do transfer large files to and from my device for work on a regular basis. With the N4 I would probably opt to get an external HD which is another item to carry. That said, the largest attraction to USB3 for me is the connector. I find it MUCH easier to quickly plug the connector in the right way, especially in the dark. My real wish in this regard is for a connector standard that doesn't matter which way you plug it in.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] tft:
but if only 2 of every 10 people use the USB 3, is it worth keeping it even though they could make use of the space taken by the usb port for something else in the future? i don't know exactly how many used the USB 3 for transferring files, but my guess is not many unless every person that bought the device also had a computer. samsung clearly had a general idea how many used it.. perhaps its been removed because maybe they will need the space for something else in the future (ie front facing speakers,etc). just speculating..

i'm not saying i am for them to remove the usb3 or against it -- even if all devices had usb3, i would still use wifi because it is faster than usb3 (if you have newer wifi router) and more convenient than having get the cable off the charger and plugging it in. on my home network i have a network drive that i use for photos/files and i just simply launch ES file explorer on the phone (which can access external network storage) and in less than 2 seconds i am transferring files back and forth between network pc and phone without having to be near the pc or network drive.

i know the above may not change your mind and you'll still be disappointed for them removing it, but again, if you have fast wifi give my method a try and you'll never again want to touch a cable again.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] Zanr Zij:
Of course

http://www.anandtech.com/show/6420/arms-cortex-a57-and-cortex-a53-the-first-64bit-armv8-cpu-cores
[Galaxy Note 4 General] Lodix:
Can you prove it ?
[Galaxy Note 4 General] Lodix:
It is a leaked imagen before the Note 4 was released, so it doesn't prove anything.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] Richieboy67:
They removed USB 3 because it takes more room and is heavier and to most people it is not that important.

##sorry, that was supposed to be a reply to someone.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] bala_gamer:
You are missing loads of info, AnTuTu is not a proof, they fetch data manually from a predefined set of database.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] Strategist:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=35vMX9ZMpbE

Phone Arena has a video on the UV and SPO2 sensors. Looks quite interesting, hope someone does a detailed review of these features when the phone is out.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] hiepgia:
Pre-benchmark show that single core krait 400 at 2.5Ghz score ~940 vs new ARM core show 1200 at just 1.9 Ghz. So, improve at same clock near 65%. Clock to clock krait 400 series vs a15 is 25%. 40% more is from A57. So, at this point, we can sure 90% that A57+A53 is used in Exynos 5433.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] herpi:
I transfer full HD .ts movie files from my Dreambox/Ultimo every time, for months now; they are 4GB and larger. They play fantastic on my note 3, with MX player.

It may take some minutes to transfer, so what is the problem. Can that really be a deal breaker?

In stead I am waiting for a 64 GB version.

Weird.

Huib
[Galaxy Note 4 General] Zanr Zij:
I believed GsmArena and some other sites.

http://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_galaxy_note_4-6434.php

http://www.pocketdroid.net/2014/09/03/samsung-galaxy-note-4-announced/

http://www.pcpro.co.uk/reviews/smartphones/390604/hands-on-samsung-galaxy-note-4

http://wccftech.com/samsung-galaxy-note-4-released/

http://www.swirlingovercoffee.com/six-major-changes-in-the-samsung-galaxy-note-4/
[Galaxy Note 4 General] Lodix:
They don't really have the information, they just say what the leaks say.

But still nobody has the real information.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] Zanr Zij:
No body has retail device to disassembly it so of course no real info for you. All those links posted after Note 4 released.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] aydink_1903:
https://translate.googleusercontent...eview/&usg=ALkJrhi5eUo4PG_oM_vqS_lREhNNL3R38A

I think it's real.

Regards
[Galaxy Note 4 General] Lodix:
The device that he has is the Sanapdragon.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] aydink_1903:
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[Galaxy Note 4 General] Lodix:
That images are from the leak before the presentation of the note 4. In the pictures of the device on his hands there is a sticker that says "Qualcomm 4G".
[Galaxy Note 4 General] CLARiiON:
Don't understand why is this debate about 5433 still going on? It's crazy.

AndreiLux has been saying this for months now.

Think logically. How can a Exynos 5xxx device be based on A57??

- Exynos 3xxx are used for A7/A8 SOC

- Exynos 4xxx was based on A9-type

- Exynos 5xxx all based on A15-class

So why suddenly Exynos 5433 will be based on A57?

Any A57-class Exynos device will have a new series number like 6xxx. It's so obvious.

1st digit shows the generation of device, 2nd digit usually shows the number of 'major' cores. Like 5250 has 2 cores, or 5430 has 4 cores (ignoring low power A7 cores).
[Galaxy Note 4 General] Lodix:
Well I think we don't even know the name of the Exynos that is inside of the Note 4 with official data.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] SaschaHa:
Look at the Antutu screenshots on the site below. It shows the Note 4 to have 32 bit, not 64. So it's A15 + A7.

https://translate.google.com/transl...23/4912030/1/rv/samsung-galaxy-note-4-review/
[Galaxy Note 4 General] SAVVAS.:
While I am quite pessimistic that Exynos 5433 (if it is named that) is a57,I have to agree that these cpu gains that geekbench reported are very high for a15 even with the 20nm node.Comparing K1 in Shield is really what strikes me! How can a 2.2ghz a15 in an optimised tablet chassis can have lower scores than 1.9ghz a15 in a phablet chassis?

Shield with its 2.2ghz a15 got single core 1100 and multi core 3400 where as Note with its 1.9ghz cpu got 1200 and 4000!!! If we normalize that scores to 1.9ghz then Note cpu is ~30% faster at same clock speed (1.9ghz)! Yes the latter is built on 20nm but still 30% difference is pretty huge and it is more logical to associate it with a57 cores and 20nm rather than solely (a15) to 20nm advances.

Even Galaxy Alpha with its 1.8ghz a15 20nm gets 950 and 3200 where as the 1.9ghz Note 4 cpu gets 1200 and 4000, huge difference for only 0.1ghz increase!

Nontheless, if of course the geekbench scores are genuine then Exynos 5433 is shaping to be pretty powerful chip, be it a15 or a57.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] aydink_1903:
that's very informative.

Last two digits seem like revision numbers.

5430 r3p0

5433 r3p3

Regards
[Galaxy Note 4 General] hiepgia:
As Android 4.4 is 32bit and use Armv7 included in A57, nothing can confirm at this point. Pre-software, pre-hardware... But score very high.

I have read somewhere that Mali T7xx is for 64bit cpu.

Edit:

Just run GeekBench 3 on Terga K1 A15 (r3p3)@2.22Ghz and got this result

A15 single core performance at 2.22 Ghz is lower than unknown core at 1.9Ghz? 20nm doesn't help improve performance much like this!

So, if Exynos 5433 is A57+A53 or A15+A7? I guess A57+A53.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] SaschaHa:
Maybe it's software related. Most devices vary in benchmark scores though they have the same SoCs with same clock speed. A57 cores should have about 40 to 55% more performance power than A15 cores according to some theoretical tests. We would have a lot better single core score.

I think, the 4000+ points in multi core are reached because of the additional A7 cores (note, that newer Samsung Octa-cores can handle all 8 cores at the same time).

I'm convinced, that the Exynos 5433 will be A15 + A7 like the 5430. Otherwise they would call him Exynos 6xxx or any different than 5433.

And note: In Antutu v5 the Note 4 is only around 25 % faster than the Note 3 with S800 SoC.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] hiepgia:
As A57 only have 3 decoder same as A15. No way to get another 50% faster. Only 20% in 32 bit and upto 50% when switch to 64 bit.

In Antutu, CPU strong cant get much point. RAM speed, GPU on higher resolution, NAND still the same or not much improve.

When 8 cores pump up, max cpu speed will limit so not breaking TDP.

Just guess for A57 + A53, if it's true, exynos verison will better than Snapdragon!
[Galaxy Note 4 General] CLARiiON:
Exynos 5433 Geekbench detailed result: http://browser.primatelabs.com/geekbench3/745794

Compared to Exynos 5430: http://browser.primatelabs.com/geekbench3/761242

5433 listed as "variant 1 part 3335 revision 0"

5430 listed as "variant 3 part 3087 revision 3"

nvidia shield is "variant 3 part 3087 revision 3" same as 5430.

5422 listed as "variant 2 part 3087 revision 3"

We know for sure that nvidia is using r3p3, same for Exynos 5430. So we can deduce this is as variant 3 revision 3 = r3p3

5422 also matches the same pattern r2p3 = variant 2 revision 3. The number in middle could be some sort of build number/version number.

5433 is weird here. variant 1 revision 0. Is this r1p0? Now ARM lists r1p0 only for A57 SOC at this time. I am just trying to understand this logic, but someone might need to look into this properly.

EDIT: This is getting really confusing now for me.

This is for MSM8939 (Snapdragon 615): http://browser.primatelabs.com/geekbench3/753580

615 is a mid-range 64-bit A53-SOC. It's listed as "variant 0 part 3331 revision 1", meaning r0p1. This makes sense as this is a new SOC, and Qualcomm have chosen an early version to develope upon. The part numbers between 615 and 5433 are very similar 3331 and 3335. This similarity would tell me that they belong to same family.

All these would point to a good evidence that 5433 could really be related to ARMv8, but the number 5433 doesn't make any sense at all. Why not give a number like 6410 instead?

I could be very wrong in all these observations, as I have no technical manual to refer to. Just trying to deduce from what I found.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] CookieMonsterr:
Nice hardware updates! Samsung really went all out!
[Galaxy Note 4 General] hiepgia:
Geekbench for Snapdragon 805 on Note 4:

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=D7G3ju8s1f4 (at 1m41s)

Benchmark show that Snapdragon 805 is 12% lower when compare with exynos 5433 in single core and 25% lower in multicore.

Edit: compare here

http://browser.primatelabs.com/geekbench3/compare/750158?baseline=745794
[Galaxy Note 4 General] CLARiiON:
I think we can be certain now that 5433 is A57-based and supporting AArch64.

Concentrate on that part 3335 in my previous post.

From ARM documentation, we have:

0xD07 is equivalent to 3335 in decimal.

I think we can be sure now 5433 is a 64-bit SOC. But why the hell Samsung using a Exynos 5xxx number is beyond my imagination.

Addendum: Just to verify, I checked the part number for A15.

ARM documentation says part number is 0xC0F, which is 3087 in decimal. 3087 was the part number I found in the Geekbench for A15 SOC. So, I am confident that the part number logic is valid.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] AndreiLux:
Yes those part numbers and scores are pretty damning. I've had the Note 4's full firmware since May and the kernel clearly pointed out at a15 cores. It still doesn't make sense...

It's quite a scandal if this is a A5X part and they're trying to hide it to protect mobile division sales.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] CLARiiON:
Is this to make Qualcomm owners not feel 'bad' ? Not that majority of normal customer will care anyways.

Any idea why they are not using Exynos globally, specially since they can use this Intel model for LTE communication?

There was a rumour that Qualcomm gave them some "deal" for using 805 in Note 4. Not sure what to trust now..

Atleast give it a proper name like Exynos 6xxx :confused:
[Galaxy Note 4 General] AndreiLux:
They don't have the manufacturing capacity for a global launch. 20nm will be a short node and replaced by 14nm products in spring.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] Lodix:
Where is supposed to be sold the Exynos version ?
[Galaxy Note 4 General] CLARiiON:
Should be similar to this list. Maybe a few exceptions.

http://www.sammobile.com/2013/08/15...agon-800-variant-sm-n9005-specs-confirmation/
[Galaxy Note 4 General] Lodix:
Bad news then. I don't understand this movement from Samsung.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] SAVVAS.:
They have a superior chip at least on paper and they didn't even bother to brag about it! Samsung must stuck in the wall otherwise they wouldn't brag the competitors inferior chip rather than their own superior chip. Probably the absence of Android L and manufacturing limitations caused this pathetic situation to have a superior latest generation 64 bit 20nm chip and remain silent! Obviously they wanted to protect the SD sales which is the bigger slice in the pie.

Logically, they will make some big noise in the Galaxy S6 event in which they will have an even better 64bit Exynos version with Android L onboard and if they are comfortable enough then they will cease SD (810) chips.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] Burgscheinkerkdeiktraast:
This made me laugh, completely worthless "features" I say.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] busab:
Agreed. Although hypochondriacs will love the oxygen level sensor.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] Lodix:
Why woukd be Apple able of selling that much chips and Samsung not ?
[Galaxy Note 4 General] SAVVAS.:
Just to make it clear , for competitors I was referring to Snapdragon. As for Apple I honestly don't how they do it, they had a custom 64bit armv8 cpu for 1 year ago :eek:
[Galaxy Note 4 General] karlesg:
Yes, good point. But I think there is still something that's confusing me.

The Note 4 variants....

From what I had read the Exynos would be the SM-N910C variant, and the snapdragon the SM-N910S variant.

for example

http://www.sammobile.com/2014/06/20...nos-sm-n910c-and-snapdragon-sm-n910s-flavors/

In geekbench I'm reading for the SM-N910U variant.

Also in geekbench for the galaxy alpha (SM-G850L variant) for processor it says: ARM UNIVERSAL5430 @ 1.30 GHz 1 processor, 8 cores

And in motherboard: universal 5430

But in geekbench for SM-N910U variant for processor we have:ARM Samsung @ 1.30 GHz 1 processor, 8 cores (not clearly stating processor)

motherboard: universal 5433

I have searched for note 4 variants and found this

http://mysamsungphones.com/samsung-galaxy-note-4-model-variants-revealed/

Yes A LOT of variants....

So maybe the SM-910U variant does not have the same Exynos processor with the SM-910C variant?

I don't know I'm really confused right now... :eek: I simply cannot understand how on earth Samsung electronics widely released their first 64bit Exynos SoC and we don't have an official announcement? Nothing on twitter? Nothing on fb? Nothing on web? Complete silence????

This is not normal... Also model name 5433 stands for a minor improvement over 5430. It just does not make sense. The A53/A57 64bit DEFINITELY is not a minor improvement. Andreilux was clearly speaking about A15s in firmware... What happened? they were hiding the A57s? Really now? Conspiracy theories? Excuse me but I cannot believe this. I just can't believe that Samsung engineers can even think or act like this for marketing purposes, sales, etc. And as an engineer, I believe that if there is a mixup it's not on purpose.

Seriously now, this exynos 5433 thing is very very strange and honestly it doesn't make any sense..... I will be greatly surprised if 5433 turns out to be a 64bit A57/A53 but according to geekbench there is at least one variant (SM-910U) with a 64 bit A57 Exynos.... :eek:

Do we know where this variant SM-910U will be released? Where did this benchmark come from?
[Galaxy Note 4 General] Richieboy67:
For the Note 5 they are adding a sperm count sensor. :D

I don't mind the sensors but would rather have them lower the price and remove them. Still, they want people to upgrade so ading bells and whistles is a way to do it I guess.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] aulwes:
Not completely worthless for track athletes.... I can't wait to try this during my next session of 400 meter repeats. Instead of a 60 sec rest I could try resting until oxygen levels return to normal. It may not work but is worth an experiment.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] busab:
Ha ha. That put some bad images into my head as to how exactly it would take the reading.