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[LG G Watch R] Rayan:
The other day I stumbled on an article somewhere on the webs that proved the LG G Watch to last much longer than the Gear Live, I'll search the article and post here. However I don't remember them mentioning about the fact that the Gear Live has a smaller battery and bigger resolution though, so that could be the differentiating aspect.

And yes, I read about the burn-in problems on the 360 which surprised me big time, however since its not OLED based, it appears the damage is not permanent as those pesky OLED based screens which are permanently damaged by burn-in and UV degradation.

As far as I know the only difference between the new P-OLED vs the AMOLED is the plastic used instead of glass to make them flexible. Hopefully LG improved the P-OLED display technology used on the Round, since those ugly LG G Flexes have proven terrible in screen quality according to reports.

Cheers!
[LG G Watch R] Fmstrat:
I would love to see this article, if you find it. The more I've been thinking about the benefits of OLED vs. IPS on watches, the more I wonder about the power use in ambient mode. I was looking at my Kindle Paperwhite, and it being illuminated by just a few LEDs that could run all day easy. In ambient mode, on such a tiny screen, it would require so little light to keep illuminated at a small level. That being said, perhaps it could be the TI processor killing the battery on the 360.

Thanks.
[LG G Watch R] dersie:
The big advantage of the LG IPS screen is that consumption is the same with an all-white screen or a black screen. It was therefore no need to have dim restricted Mode. Dim mode can be the same as the active mode and keep all colors.
[LG G Watch R] Rayan:
Another HUGE plus of IPS is that it does not degrade with use and most importantly, it's not subject to sunlight (UV) degradation, something to be considered specially on a wearable! Even fluorescent lighting degrades OLED based screens!

However, I suppose you are talking about LG G Watch's screen right? The LG Round will not have IPS, but P-OLED which I think its a real shame.

Cheers!
[LG G Watch R] dersie:
Yes G-Watch. Do not know why not IPS on R-Watch. Maybe for outdoor readable ?

I like keep my G-watch always ON with always color display.
[LG G Watch R] pakure:
Pros to LG r watch

1. that oled screen,... burns less battery in ambient screen and on black faces, ....

2. has USB.... so adb and root/development is possible, ..

3. snapdragon processor, future proof....

4. the steel bezel actually is protective to the screen from all those bumps and Knicks you get in daily use. ..

5.easy to change straps. ...

6. Biggest battery in a smart watch 410mah... coupled with the oled screen, you will get 2 days easily

7. Will look great with all those analog wear faces... just look at them on the moto 360 forums and on reddit for the facer app

8. Day light viewing will be great

9. Always on display

10. Full circle:p

11. More world wide availability and service
[LG G Watch R] Rayan:
Maybe, but I rather have a less than optimal viewing screen outdoors than a clear but degrading one any day!

Yes, I like to have mine always on always color too!

Cheers!
[LG G Watch R] gerg004:
Any news on a release date? I'm finally in the market for a smartwatch, and was very close to pulling the trigger on the Gear 2. By all indication after some research, the LG watch is looking much more attractive, both aesthetically and functionality.
[LG G Watch R] Rayan:
According to reports, it's bound for release this month (October 2014)... Exact day? No idea...

Supposedly it will be priced somewhere around $300+ USD, which I really don't get it since it doesn't bring anything new to the table... In fact it's a bit late to the round game but with a smaller screen, plus they are using a cheap-o-display (P-OLED), so it seems like just another smartwarch with same functions as those before it (especially compared to the Moto360).

Don't get me wrong, I too have my sights (and hopes) set on the Round, so hopefully it will come out soon to see how it does.

Cheers!
[LG G Watch R] dersie:
I can not agree with the Moto360 display wich is no round but a cut circle in cinemascope mode 16/9 :(
[LG G Watch R] Rayan:
True... true... However the point remains since it's the closest thing to a full circle! :silly:

The thing is that even though the LGGW Round despite the full circle, it is also tiny in comparison. However for me the only con about the Round is not the screen size nor huge bezel, but the screen technology they decided to use... P-OLED. :(

But ok, I'll give them the benefit of the doubt just because I have been enjoying my current LG G Watch! :fingers-crossed:

Cheers!
[LG G Watch R] zathus:
Okay maybe I'm confused, but why does everybody keep knocking p oled? Is it the newest technology? That's What was used on the gflex. Plus its brighter.
[LG G Watch R] Rayan:
For starters, at least the P-OLED used on the Flex (which is the same used on the Round) is abysmal compared to Samsungs Super AMOLED and IPS screens like the ones on the LG G2 and G3 which are also far superior.

Also every OLED based display is prone to short lifespans, SAMOLED have somewhat improved though, POLED on the other hand have not, also they are prone to UV light exposure degradation, oh and screen burn-in too.

UV light exposure degradation might not be a huge problem on smartphones (which tend to live inside a purse, pocket or case, but on a WEARABLE that's another story naturally

Cheers
[LG G Watch R] slaydog:
I will trade a little picture quality for better battery life- after all, it is a 1+ inch screen, but I'll still have to see it in person first.

I wonder if there can't be an anti-UV coating on the screen similar to any pair of eye glasses..?

Screen burn-in sounds pretty scary considering a watch is supposed to show mostly the same thing at all times. And I definitely want an always on display...
[LG G Watch R] Rayan:
Have you tried the LG G Watch on a sunny day? It's not that terrible really...

However I agree with your anti-UV coating, I wonder why screen protector companies have not come up with one, pretty easy to implement!

Nothing much to do with the screen burn-in issue though :rolleyes:

Cheers!
[LG G Watch R] 2k4ever:
how can you say it won't bring anything new to the table? it will be the first round Android Wear device that always provides you with the most important thing in a watch - the time

No, Motos excuse of an "ambient mode" that is actually NOT always on and still won't get you through the day doesn't count

And OLEDs have huge atvantages in wearables as well: they consume less power and have way better viewing angles

Although I have to admit that I don't have any experience with LGs P-OLED implementation

Burn-in is actually a problem of the Moto 360 as well (will of course be worse for an OLED screen) and I already have an idea of a changing watchface to counter that

However, UV degradation could really become a problem - a screen protector with UV filter could really become a necessity

Another thing I never noticed before: LGs default watchfaces seem to have a sweeping seconds hand!

e.g. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_cNTE8XAcoQ
[LG G Watch R] Rayan:
Good points, but I beg to differ:

1. OLED based screens despite their "energy efficiency" have not proven exactly the best results. Take the Samsung Gear Live as an example (I know it's not OPLED but they are basically the same). It does not provide the best battery duration we would have expected.

2. IRREVERSIBLE burn-in problem inherit to OLED based displays. The Moto burn-in problem while not present on every Moto360 have been proven reversible.

3. The latest Moto360 update took care of the battery problem which according to user's reports, it was dramatically improved.

4. Sweeping hands are not present on the LG Round only. The LG G Watch has them and the Moto360 too.

5. The worst aspect is the fact that OLED based screens DEGRADE when exposed to UV light, yes the sun and office lighting both emit UV, so your beloved wearable will be receiving TONS of UV radiation. However as we mentioned before, a simple anti-UV screen protector (if it actually existed) would be very helpful.

6. It's a shame that despite the $300-350 dollar price tag it does not include at the very least Qi wireless charging despite all the problems they had on the original LG G Watch...

But don't get me wrong, I too want to have the Round as soon as it comes out! I really like it more than any other smartwatch to date.
[LG G Watch R] Darnell_Chat_TN:
Far as an update fixing the Moto 360 battery life issues. That's not confirmed and some reviewers see no difference since the update. Also Moto made no claims of the patch helping battery life. It's likely a placebo effect, from folks who are using their new toy less over time.

If I find a good post update test I'll note it here.

The Moto 360 still has an obsolete processor, which has a documented history as a battery hog.
[LG G Watch R] 2k4ever:
@ Rayan:

you don't differ, you ignore the points I make and instead restate your assumptions once again.

I'm just going to respond to what is new and not repeat my own statements

1. Gear Live has a way smaller battery than the LG G Watch (1/3 smaller). But the AMOLED screen surely helps to get the most battery live out of it.

3. What Darnell_Chat_TN said.

4. I just checked videos of the Moto: the seconds hand definitely ticks on the default watchfaces. Yes, there are apps that provide a smooth seconds hand, but the have a big impact on battery live. However, if LG uses them in the default faces, lets hope they have solved that.

6. Assuming LG has fixed the corrosion problem, for me the charging dock is actually an advantage: its smaller and therefore easier to transport and most importantly it will allow to interact with the bootloader (yes, there is a the possibility to build an adapter for the 360 that for now is shaky at best and will negatively impact the water resistance)
[LG G Watch R] Rayan:
Assumptions you say? They are actually facts, not assumptions my friend.

I will respond to your points just for the heck of it:

1. True, but it should not have to be as bad in comparison to the LG G Watch since supposedly the OLED screen should have somewhat compensated for that.

2. Really? have you guys checked this subreddit?, but here's an important thing, I'm not defending the Moto360, I'm just making some observations on the Round's P-OLED display, lack of new features but still higher price tag. I even stated that I would be getting the Round anyway, so chill dude!

4. Your point is moot since there ARE watchfaces on every AW Smartwatch with sweeping seconds hand. By default, Facer or whatnot.

5. Here my friend you are stating an ASSUMPTION not a FACT, and the FACT is that LG has not provided any global fix to current LGGW users on the corrosion problem. I actually posted a photo where I demonstrated I have the latest firmware but still the ports output voltage! That my friend is a FACT for me, and there's nothing to stand on that make me think LG will fix that on the Round. However, the observation you made about the ADB access through the charger is definitely a plus!

You on the other hand are ignoring my points:

1. P-OLED has a bad reputation since the G Flex received so much negative reviews specially for the screen (search the webs and you'll see)

2. P-OLED like every other OLED based screen has its advantages on smartphones BUT not on wearables due to the fact the smartwach will receive TONS more UV light and if ambient mode us used, burn in problems can occur.

3. Unjustifiable higher price tag without any new innovation (this fact alone can make it less desirable than the competition)
[LG G Watch R] 2k4ever:
[MENTION=222842]Rayan[/MENTION]:

if the Moto 360 is superior in every regard and cheaper as well, why not just get that one?

I would, as I prefer the looks of it

however, there is one major reason I'll go with the R: always-on display

drop me a pn if you want to discuss the rest of your points in private - but only if you consider the whole statements I make and not only the part that suites you
[LG G Watch R] Rayan:
Nah PMs are for woosies... :D

You are taking it wrong buddy, I have considered your valid points too (i.e. ADB access through the charger, full round display, better style, etc.) but:

1. I've never said the Moto360 is superior in every regard, actually I don't even consider the Moto360 superior even to the LG G Watch! It's just innovative that's all and a great 1st Motorola SW.

2. I went for the LG G Watch and not for the Moto360 because of stock shortage on B&M stores (I've been impressed by the G Watch though and don't regret it)

3. I got the G Watch for $100 bucks :victory: while I wait for the Round to come out... (If you read me, you should know by know this fact... I'm getting the Roooound despite my criticisms! :p

4. I will keep both forms, round and square for different occasions.

Cheers man!
[LG G Watch R] Darnell_Chat_TN:
How did you get a G Watch for $100 :cool: ?

I don't even want the square one, but I'll get one if I can for just $100 :D .
[LG G Watch R] Rayan:
I got it off of Craigslist... It's a white version which at first I didn't like, but once I saw it I really think looks way better than the black version.

The next day I got it, the retail value came back to $230... I just checked and it came down again to $189.99 which I think it might me a sign that the Round is about to come out!
[LG G Watch R] Darnell_Chat_TN:
I'm seeing some good deals for it on Ebay. Amazing that it has dropped in value so quickly. Kind of disturbing :laugh: .

So other than the fact it's round and has a bigger battery, what other reason cause you to want the "R"?
[LG G Watch R] Rayan:
By the way, be careful if you plan on getting a used LGGW... Make sure to check for rust on the charging pins, that's why I got it off of Craigslist, because it's a local deal and can check it physically.

Answering your question... Well, what draw me to the smartwarch scene is the fact that I love watches in general and my main planned purpose was to wear different watchfaces as I please and even design my own, and quite honestly a round display mimics the best traditional watches. However people that "upgraded" from a square display to a round display say that round displays are a waste of space when it comes to notification content (cards chopped off), but I digress...

And between the Moto360 and the Round, I like the Round better despite its (what I consider) "flaws".

I like it's "sporty" design with it's round tick bezel (many consider it a con, since while wearing a digital watch face, the tick marks look dumb). That bezel might come handy protecting the display (all my traditional watches that have that bezel tend to receive some impacts the most in that area).

Honestly now I've been liking the smartwarch functionality too, and now I think I can't go back to wear a traditional watch.

I plan on keeping both types of screens though...
[LG G Watch R] Darnell_Chat_TN:
I'd buy new no matter what. But I'm still waiting for the R for now. The drop in value is interesting though. I'll decide when all is available. I mean if I can get a square new for 1/3 price of a round. I might become!e a square :cowboy: .

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This Alpha XDA forum app is removing all of my apostrophes :laugh:
[LG G Watch R] Rayan:
That's a wise move actually...

Cheers and let us know what you end up getting! :good:
[LG G Watch R] Darnell_Chat_TN:
Wow, the LG G Watch (not the R) is now selling for just $149.99 at Best Buy.
[LG G Watch R] Rayan:
Quite honestly I think that is a GREAT DEAL for anyone wanting to get into the Smartwatch trend.

Ultra cheap for a brand new and powerful Smartwatch.

There's no more excuses people!

Get yours today, since that price is supposedly valid today only.
[LG G Watch R] Darnell_Chat_TN:
Moto 360 cracking issues.

http://techaeris.com/2014/10/10/motorola-moto-360-cracking-problem/
[LG G Watch R] Darnell_Chat_TN:
They've jacked up the price to a whopping $159.99 :D !

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And has there ever been a device without dead pixel complaints? The Moto 360 has joined the club.

http://xdaforums.com/moto-360/help/dead-pixels-t2869454
[LG G Watch R] slaydog:
There is a guy on the Moto 360 forum who has both, he's not really comparing them just demonstrating an odd fluke with his 360...

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?p=56087485

Things seem to fit on the display of the LG much better, even though it's a little smaller
[LG G Watch R] Darnell_Chat_TN:
Things do look a little odd on the Moto 360.
[LG G Watch R] Darnell_Chat_TN:
I guess I'm tired of waiting. I've purchased a gently used Samsung Gear Live. Awaiting its arrival now. Probably will be here mid next week.

In all this time of waiting for the "R", I've really gotten over issues with a square face. Especially after seeing some of the Facer square watch faces.

And this is all really v1 product. So the Samsung Gear Live has the heart rate monitor and other features, just a square face. I know the charger tends to break, but they're just $15 to replace.

I hope the R comes to everyone soon and you enjoy it. Maybe I'll get the "R2" next year :laugh: .
[LG G Watch R] Rayan:
Just so you know Darnell_Chat_TN, the problem is not just the charger breaking, but the base of the watch where the charger snaps in breaks too, that's what's been failing to some people. I don't know if Samsung already addressed this already.

Good luck and congrats for your new watch! :good:
[LG G Watch R] Darnell_Chat_TN:
Oh I know, I've read. More often the dock, than the watch. But for some the watch too.

Show me a device and I'll show you a complaint about it :silly: .

We'll see how it goes. The previous owner never had it break on them.
[LG G Watch R] Rayan:
I totally agree with you, take the LG G Watch for example with the rusty pins that despite the software update it still rusts. The Moto360 and the screen burn-in issues, cracking bottom case, etc...

The Gear Live is still a great option!

Cheers and enjoy it!
[LG G Watch R] Darnell_Chat_TN:
I meant to post this in this thread :D .

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?p=56976345

Got it and really enjoying it. Although i got a deal, it's worth the full retail asking price IMHO.
[LG G Watch R] smentoma:
I don't see why users can't continue with this post. I realy like lg watch r but it have some real issues that future buyers shoud know.

1. Flickering display please comment if you have it or manage to solved the problem

2. Old tv effect

Moto 360 why do you think is better than lg R or viceversa. There is no vs topic about this incredible devices. If you have one please tell us you're opinion why do you considered better than the other one! I can't realy make up my mind which one to buy.
[LG G Watch R] Darnell_Chat_TN:
For me, the 360 was not an option. I need the better battery life. Also, I don't like any delay, so the faster "R" processor also attracted me. And the "R" is taken for a regular watch by most who see it, while the 360 looks like some futuristic device on the wrist and draws attention. I prefer the look that resembles a watch to those who otherwise don't know. Sometimes I am in areas, where I don't want attention drawn to my gear.

The "R" having a truly always on display is something I appreciate now that I own one. The 360 display goes out sometime after feeling no one is giving it attention [emoji13] . I am often at my desk and want to gently move my wrist to see the time, and not have to do any excessive motion, that would activate a sleeping screen.
[LG G Watch R] shaolin95:
Not sure why the OP was never updated but anyone reading the following statement:

With both devices (possibly) packing the same chipset along with 512MB of RAM, this one is a draw.

...is NOT correct. the LG R has a much faster CPU and no lag.
[LG G Watch R] wilsonliang777:
I had the moto 360 for about 2 months b4 jumping ship n got a g watch R.

Pro about Moto 360

1. Looks great with the metal band.

2. bigger display.

3. Heart rate reader works better.

4. The steel casing is very durable.

5. Cheaper $169 vs $299 watch R

6. No lag compared to watch r. That I can experience

7. Display easy to read in sunlight.

Con about moto 360.

1. The backplate cracks with normal use

2. If you have the metal band the plastic spacer for the metal band breaks after a week of use.

3. The battery only last about 8 hours (with display always off)

4. Ppi count too low.

Con about lg watch R.

1. Random reboot

2. Random disconnect

3. Aluminum rim dent very easy.

4. Display too small.

5. Display very hard to read in sunlight

Pro about watch R.

1. Love the always on function

2. Like the oled display

3. Use standard watch band

4. Higher ppi count

5. Longer battery life. G watch r could last me 2 days with one change.

I have not experienced burn in on the oled display or any hard wear related problem yet from watch g. Had lg watch r for like 3 weeks now.
[LG G Watch R] finalbillybong:
I was under the the impression that these watches had difference processors? I'm pretty sure the 360 has a Texas Instrument's OMAP 3 while the G Watch R has a Snapdragon 400....
[LG G Watch R] hornedfiend:
For the record, I have no ideea how the moto 360 behaves, so I won't try to compare the 2 (I don't really like the look of the 360, I think it's too girlish :) ). But, about your G wath R cons here are my thoughts:

1. Random reboot - this never happened for me ( however I do use intersectRaven's kernel)

2. Random disconnect - this happened to me on some occasions, so...agreed (but that might be 3rd party issue like phone model/bt chip - I own a LG G3 and still experienced this)

3. Aluminum rim dent very easy. - come on, this is a very subjective matter. You can do that to any watch. I've been wearing mine almost every day for the past 5 months and hit it quite a lot on walls and whatnot, no scratch, no dent, no nothing.

4. Display too small. - I agree the bezel should've been a little bit smaller and it does impede some swipe functionality, but content wise, the ppi is rather good for a first batch of round screen smartwatches.

5. Display very hard to read in sunlight - not really. Only downside to this is that you have to manually selet sunlight mode (no ambient light sensor like on Moto 360)or increse brightness via 3rd party apps like "wear mini launcher".

Some more things to add on cons:

1. Leather band sucks badly (if you have a sweaty rist or live in a sunny place, lose it fast) and it can get stinky after a while.

2. Screen flickering (or at least a part of the screen) happens on both stock kernels and custom (although, after using latest intersectRaven kernel, I haven't experienced anything like that in a while).

3. Android wear notification system could use some improvements (if you end up getting a notification while launching an app, the notification superseeds the app launching)

I agree on all the pros and I'd like to add the fact that this watch look adapts nicely to watch band changes. You can make it look classy with a steel bracelet, or sporty with a nylon/rubber band. I haven't looked back after getting this watch, it's amazing and some watches (e.g Chronos ) make it look amazing.
[LG G Watch R] dersie:
Triple press on button activate screen in sunlight mode (high brigtness) :) so we can read easily ;)