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[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] mircury:
99.999% sure the ATT version will have a locked bootloader. This means it will always be a cat and mouse game with root.

My advice is to wait and not pre-order anything yet. Let the dust settle and see which device will work for you and have root available.

1. You have to ask yourself how long do you normally keep phones? Can you afford to wait 6 months or more (or never if you accidentally take an update) for root on an ATT device you are going to have for 1-2 years?

2. The Tmobile version will most likely have an unlocked bootloader which means you never have to worry about root. It will also most likely work on ATT like the GS5 and the Note3 before it and it will have updates long after Tmobile and Samsung stop supporting it.

If you have Tmobile in your area and you want root it really is the best way to go and cheaper. Why not give them a try? The next best is a Tmobile device on ATT, and third, well.... forget about root.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] Zorachus:
I have the same very question.

Being on ATT, will the Note 4 be able to be Rooted, and even more important, allow Custom Recovery for ROM's ? If not, NO WAY I can get the Note 4. And Safestrap is not an option, that's a handicapped and gimped wannabe recovery.

Nice thing with HTC, they openly and officially allow their One M8 to have the bootloader unlocked directly through HTC's own website. I did just that with my ATT carrier One M8, and converted it to a GPE. Would like to see Samsung allow that too.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] barondebxl:
Without a doubt it will be locked.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] powdered_donuts:
Ikr! I had T-Mobile but we moved a few years back to an area where they don't have service really at all. I wish I could let them pay my termination fees and bring my four lines there I would save money too. Oh well..
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] mircury:
Get the Tmobile device instead and use it on ATT. Don't be pulled in by the ATT Next hype\propaganda either. You still pay full price for the device. Why not get one that you actually own.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] powdered_donuts:
Yeah I know I'm not falling for the next plan and all that crap not interested in adding more to my monthly bill. I thought about getting the T-Mobile version but I'm starting to just lean towards getting a nexus from google when the new one comes out. Hate to leave Samsung behind but I'm feeling like the time has come to move on
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] chong67:
Not a good idea. If you want the phone, go get it now. I remember very well that after someone root the HTC phone with s-off, they make it not rootable with it being s-off. It took many months and ransom money for hacker to find it get rid of the s-off.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] mircury:
Very, very bad advise. You are basically advising people to buy and hope that an exploit will be found, and it's a bad gamble at most. Have you gotten any recent Samsung phones? We aren't talking HTC here. Look at the Note 3, Galaxy S4 and S5 history. I'm not saying you shouldn't buy the phone. I'm saying you should not pre-order it or get it on day one. With the Tmobile note 3 it took a week and a half after release to confirm that it had an unlocked bootloader. At that point a custom recovery was ODIN flashable and root was forever available. It was even faster to confirm that the ATT version was locked down and as of today the bootloader has NEVER been cracked! No CM or AOSP! Only stock kernels are usable. The same with the ATT S5. The bootloader is still locked down. Root has been obtained through an exploit that has since been patched. So if you take an update you are screwed. A bootloader exploit for the latest samsung devices has not been found for the ATT S4, S5, and Note 3 for 1.5 years now.

I have a huge info thread over in the ATT Note 3 section if you want to read it.

My point is, wait for confirmation that a particular device is bootloader unlocked before you put down $750 on a device.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] daraj:
better advice! But you can certainly blindly guarantee that at&t is locked down.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] ewingr:
Am I wanting Root for wrong reasons?

I have been rooting and installing custom ROMS for a few years now. All Samsung phones.

I'm growing tired of custom ROMS. While some are very solid, I have not tried any at all that don't have one problem or another. So, I'm hoping I can be satisfied with just rooting and maybe even staying on TW. I'll be trying to analyze the features I'd lose from Nova if I stay on TW, vs the TW features of the Note 4 I'd lose by going to Nova.

But my main question is do I really NEED root? I'm thinking I want it in order to do true backups (with more concern about data than backing up apps). I am of the impression that data backups may not be possible w/o root. True? Or, depending on App? I know that TIBU seems to want root...I've never tried to use TIBU w/o root.

Also, I use other apps that seem to work better with root, ie. Lightflow, TIBU, Tasker (a must), ES File Explorer, Gravity Box, Notification Shortcuts, Utter, Widget Locker, and others I suppose.

Seems to me I NEED root. Am I misinformed?

Maybe the T-Mobile version of the Note 4 is what I should look for.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] mircury:
Don't forget adaway, my number 1 use for root, and ya you should be looking at the tmo note. That's coming from someone who did it on the 3rd gen note.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] ewingr:
I'll probably look into that. I typically take advantage of subsidy, but may be worth going with TMO. If the Note 4 had 4GB mem, that would make it easier to make the extra spend. I was hoping for a phone that I may be happy with for longer than 2 years. (Of course the root issue may be the driving factor for purchasing the TMO version, irrespective of other considerations).
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] GuestX0019:
Totally agree with you on all points. Except not sure we "have to root". The Note 4 will be able to handle all "Bloatware" and still fly. Koush's Helium does a good job backing up apps/data. No Nandroid, but if you are not rooting and running the risk of soft bricking and needing to restore a Nandroid, they won't be needed. The cloud for Google will always be there to restore those accounts. The rest you can backup to your sdcard and pc. Not sure I need theming like Xposed offers. As, I am liking the stock look of the S5 which I am running on my S4.

That all being said I would probably get a TMO one on ATT if LTE runs fine and root/flash roms since it is in the blood at this point--;)
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] ewingr:
Off topic...

Glad you posted this. I had not heard of Helium. I'll have to check it out.

One thing I like to be able to do is backup and restore just data. I'll have to see if that can be done. It's interesting that it doesn't require root, when everything else does.

....

Just went to Play Store, and leaves me a bit confuse. The instructions are a bit confusing, as 1a says "Root user? You're done", then goes on to say to install on the PC, which implies to me if non-rooted, you must do backups to PC.

I'll go and read the Wiki.

[Update]

A few things that are discouraging, from the WIKI, re: Helium:

If you're using a non-root device, you MUST connect to a PC via the USB port of your device to enable ADB backup permissions.

In problematic applications, ALL Google Apps are listed

...you are using a non-root device, you need to enable Helium at every reboot of the device. This is a PITA

You made a backup to a removable SD card. Again, not advisable as mounting then re-mounting a physical card between devices is problematic for backups. Use PC Download, a cloud destination or device-to-device sync.

Those are just the issues I'm not sure I'd want to mess with. So, hoping to ultimately achieve ROOT.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] GuestX0019:
You can try MyBackUp Pro from Play Store--Have used it for years. Assuming it updates for Note 4--sure it will. You can email them--
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] hack14u:
Yep, just look at our LG G3's. Root, sure, unlocked bootloader, nope, not yet.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] dawheat:
Yeah I don't really care about an unlocked bootloader (though it'd be nice) - having root is far more important to me. The #1 reason by far is to change the lcd_density to a more appropriate value and get more content on the screen. With the Note 3 and every other 1080p Android phone, I had to change it from the stock 480 to 380.

Other things like backups, adaware, freezing/deleting bloatware are nice but not absolute must haves for me. But having the right screen density is an all-the-time difference.

I was lucky to be on MI9 and use RDLV to root my AT&T Note 3. I know a lot of folks who took the KitKat update were stuck until towelroot came out months later. The exploit it uses has been patched in the most current firmwares AFAIK.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] ewingr:
I'm really in the same place. Maybe I'm completely wrong, but I was thinking that if the bootloader was locked, achieving root was also problematic. Is that incorrect?
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] jokersdad:
rugmankc - "You can try MyBackUp Pro from Play Store--Have used it for years. Assuming it updates for Note 4--sure it will. You can email them--"

+1
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] dawheat:
I believe they're two separate things as the Note 3 (AT&T and Verizon at least) did have root even though the BL was never cracked. It might be helpful to read the T-mobile Note 3 dev forums since their BL was unlocked.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] mircury:
Yes, they are two different things, but related. An unlocked bootloader is like a free pass to root. You can flash whatever you want to the phone including the files needed for root. A locked bootloader means an exploit must be found in the stock rom to get root. It is getting MUCH tougher to find exploits and with secure Linux and encryption becoming default on Android L it will only get harder. That is why it took nearly 6 months to get root on the locked bootloader kitkat note 3. Not only that, but as these exploits are found they are patched so they won't work later because they are also a security risk.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] ewingr:
Beginning to sound like if not now, in the not so distant future, we may be having to forego custom ROMS, and ROOT except maybe in Nexus phones.

It's real frustrating that Android doesn't provide a way for backup of data. That is the main reason I want to achieve root. Although I have several apps that seem to offer more if rooted.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] gtalum:
This is a good point. if Android had a really solid backup method without root, I think it would drive down the desire for root. Most users are perfectly happy to limit their tinkering to using a new launcher and setting it up to look the way they want.

I used to tweak my phone out in every possible way to eke every ounce of performance from it, but now I'm back to a rooted stock Touchwiz ROM and use Nova Launcher Pro to make it look the way I want. I use xposed but I could live without it. I don't have time to mess with the tweaking and all the bugs that occur even in allegedly "perfect" custom ROMs. Give me a good backup and I may just not bother with root any more.

The lack of TiBu for some indeterminate length of time is what is keeping me from saying with certainty that I'll get a Note 4.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] harlenm:
The only reason to have toot for me is titanium backup, getting rid of bloat, and getting rid of the stupid constant wifi and nfc notifications. Also it appears that the Note 4 will have an S finger button in the notification panel. Will never use that and it woild be nice to get rid of it.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] sambrooke:
Does anyone know if the tmo note 4 will be compatible with the att straight talk sim in order to get lte? They have the same bands so I don't see why not.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] mircury:
Yes it is. It is fully compatible with ATT and ATT mvnos including straight talk.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] holywhitebread:
Geohot works for Google now, so that won't be happening.
[Firefox OS Q&A] KUPOinyourWINDOW:
According to Mozilla's roadmap Firefox OS 2.0 finished the Code Complete phase on September 1 of this year (2014, if you're not already aware :eek:). "After this phase, the code is released to our Partners and OEMs, who perform modifications on the source code, certification tests, and device-specific optimizations."

Does this mean that Firefox OS 2.0 is now the most up to date stable version available?

(I am very excited to run a stable version of 2.0 on my ZTE Open C)
[Firefox OS Q&A] darkowlzz:
I am not sure but you could always ask b2g developers in their IRC channel. They are very friendly and helpful.
[Firefox OS Q&A] KUPOinyourWINDOW:
I wish I was skilled with the Terminal then I could just make my own builds :cowboy:
[Firefox OS Q&A] darkowlzz:
Well, it's not really difficult. ZTE's support site has some recent downloads with manual on how to install the updates. Maybe you would like to read the manual, try it out and improve your terminal skills :good:
[Firefox OS Q&A] KUPOinyourWINDOW:
Those manuals tell you how to install updates, not how to build your own.
[Note Edge General] ForumNinja:
Hey Guys and Gals:)

Looks like Samsung is showing off its curved screen technology once again. This time in a smartphone rather than its Gear S smartwatch. The Galaxy Note edge is very similar in respects of hardware to the Note 4, only with a curved edge screen. Its a very interesting design, and getting feedback from those who have tried will be most interesting. So lets take a look at the specifications for the Samsung Galaxy Note Edge. Feel free to comment:good:

[IMG="Samsung Galaxy Note Edge Specs"]http://xdaforums.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=2961213&stc=1&d=1412547659[/IMG]​

Specifications

Display - Super AMOLED 1600 x 2560 pixels, 5.6 inches (~539 ppi pixel density) Curved Edge.

Chipset - Qualcomm Snapdragon 805 (SM-N910S) - Exynos 5433 (SM-N910C)

CPU - Quad-core 2.7 GHz Krait 450 (SM-N910S) - Quad-core 1.3 GHz Cortex-A53 & quad-core Cortex-A57 (SM-N910C)

GPU - Adreno 420 (SM-N910S) - Mali-T760 (SM-N910C)

RAM - 3 GB

Memory - 32/64GB Expandable through Micro SD

Camera - 16 MP, 3456 x 4608 pixels, optical image stabilization, autofocus, LED flash. Video: 2160p@30fps, 1080p@60fps

Secondary Camera - 3.7 MP. Video: 1080p@30fps

Sensors - Accelerometer, gyro, proximity, compass, barometer, UV, heart rate, SpO2

Connectivity - Wi-Fi 802.11 a/b/g/n/ac, dual-band, Wi-Fi Direct, DLNA, Wi-Fi hotspot, Bluetooth v4.1, A2DP, EDR, LE, NFC

Battery - 3,000 mAh

Dimensions - 151.3 x 82.4 x 8.3 mm

Weight - 174 g

Source: gsmarena
[Note Edge General] sumondhk1:
Something different

Note edge is cool and different. So stylish.

This curve is so informative and nice.

A new Era of phone just begun.
[Note Edge General] daraj:
feel gimmicky!
[Note Edge General] brynwall:
Now I just need to decide between this or the Note 4...
[Note Edge General] patriotaki:
The battery in the edge is smaller?

I wonder how the note edge performs in drop tests.. that little screen without metallic frame is dangerous
[Note Edge General] krelvinaz:
I'm not sure. I think that if you use a case, you won't be able to see the curve display or it will have to leave the whole side open so that you can.

Different though. Would be interesting to see one in my hand to see what it looks like.
[Note Edge General] krelvinaz:
Assuming I eventually move from the Note 3, it would most likely be to the Note 4, but I am not in any hurry to move right now in anycase.
[Note Edge General] xan3x:
I am also wondering if the Edge can take a hit I heard threw a friend the the oled can take the hit. Also anyone knoe of a release date or are any carriers taking preorders?
[Note Edge General] The-Chief:
I'm more concerned about ROM development (or the lack thereof). As much as I would love to jump on this phone as my new digital companion, I want it rooted and ROMmed. Hyperdrive for the Edge would be straight-up ballin'. If I had some assurance that developers will embrace both the Note 4 and the Note Edge, I'd jump on the Edge in a heartbeat.
[Note Edge General] Jspex:
Read in another thread the end of October and the 4 and edge are already on the AT&T store as "coming soon".
[Note Edge General] Co-re:
I wonder how long before the various custom launchers will support this...
[Note Edge General] patriotaki:
Note 4 : 1440 x 2560 pixels, 5.7 inches (~515 ppi pixel density)

Note Edge : 1600 x 2560 pixels, 5.6 inches (~524 ppi pixel density)

The Note edge has a better display?
[Note Edge General] Ukbondraider:
Looks interesting. However it still has it flaws.

Smaller battery... Ok not a deal breaker but another comprise.

Still cheap plastic... The Note 4 is bad enough with its plastic rear but this will feel cheap to hold.

Touch Wiz... Despite the 3gb ram etc why do Samsungs still lag. The flagship Tab S is awful with lag and was only recently released. I was considering this as my main phone given the presence of a dialler.

Price... Apparently will be more expensive than the Note 4. Well I know it has an extra screen but it should come in at the same price as the Note 4 which although may have a rrp higher or closer to an iphone will usually be cheaper than an iphone after negotiating with your network provider.

Touch Wiz...Are samsung blind? Can the not see that their icons and fonts look rubbish, old and childish. Yes I can overlay it with Nova Launcher but the settings etc still have the rubbish looking font design and layout.

No Android L... With new significant change in os round the corner it probably pays to wait for phones that come out of the box with Android L rather than updated to Android L given the tailored chips and components for the new os and ultra hd screen.

Biggest pro is the high definition Amoled screen.

I owned the Note 1 and 2 and am considering the Note 4 and Edge but I will probably wait one more generation. I hope the next Samsungs come in full metal and less bloatware.
[Note Edge General] NickyPicky:
Right Handed Use Only

Has it escaped everyone that this device seems to only support right handed use only? Yea, sure, you can flip it upside-down but then the buttons are against how they ergonomically considered the phone in development.

Just a thought and being right handed, I think it is cool as sh.... Jury is out on if "the gimmick" is worthwhile but yes, at first glance, it seems a little gimmicky until I get one in my hands and imagine how it might help me. Then I may be swayed. Getting either this one or the straight note 4.
[Note Edge General] NickyPicky:
What I wonder is how much of a bezel is at the bottom of the side screen? If there is enough meat then they can make a plasticy case that can hug that and protect it just like they would any other screen but what I wonder is, then, with the screen being so narrow, will that protection interfere with actually getting to the screen.

Very intriguing concept though. It is this or the Note 4, for me
[Note Edge General] ekerbuddyeker:
Biggest use to me is to have recent apps on the sidebar. Will speed up multi tasking significantly. And not a bar that covers the regular screen. I miss my palm treo hard buttons!
[Note Edge General] Hardcore73:
Loved it when I saw it 2 years ago but the Android Wear watches gives me what I wanted from the side scrolling bar. The idea was great that if I am doing something I can still see my messages at a glance and keep working or sports scores, phone calls, etc. Just not sure how much I need that now. It's the same with my Google Glass. My watch can pretty much do everything that it does, minus the camera, so now it just sits and collects dust.
[Note Edge General] StormyNight:
I read that Samsung will be releasing an SDK for the Edge so that developers can make use of the extra bit of the screen.
[Note Edge General] beanboy89:
This reminds me of the Samsung Continuum. Interesting concept for showing notifications or other small apps, but it just seems gimmicky. I really hope a carrier in the United States picks up the Edge so I can play around with one at some point.
[Note Edge General] dstruct2k:
I remember reading in the comments of an article (can't remember which one...) about the Note Edge where the author stated he saw people using the Edge both left- and right-handed without issues.
[Note Edge General] apprentice:
Samsung announced a range of different cases yesterday at the launch and one specifically for the Edge that allows the side to be viewed when the case is closed.
[Note Edge General] ducster_usa:
Looks good

I currently have a Note 3(and had a Galaxy S3 previously).

I was disappointed when I first found out that the Note 4 wasn't water/dust proof and was going to wait on the Note 5, but then I saw they introduced the Note Edge and it looks great to me. The big plus for me is how useful the extra side screen will be in terms of easily accessing apps that are often used and receiving notifications without turning on the main window.

The only concern with the Note Edge that I have is how exposed the side screen is and if the case manufacturers can somehow find a way to protect that side screen.

I'm really hoping that the Glass Screen Protector companies will come out with a model for the Edge. Also hoping that Urban Armor Gear comes out with a case for the Edge. Finally, I hope that Zero Lemon comes out with an extended battery+rugged case for this model as well.

Keeping my fingers crossed! I just hope it releases no later than October.
[Note Edge General] tw1n5nak35:
I do like the note 4 edge, cause its basically a note 4 but with the weird edge. And honestly I'm not feeling it. Of course I'm saying that now, till I know some one who gets one and then I get owned. I like it the idea, but I like the note 4 but willing to stay with my note 3 till note 5 next year :D
[Note Edge General] sak500:
I've taken risks at times with my devices. I like to take chances on innovative devices. I picked up n92,n80 which were different in some ways and did quite well in the market, however my other two choices weren't so. Both Nokia's first and only Maemo powered device N900 and LG optimus 3D left a bitter taste in my mouth.

Nokia and LG dropped support within a month or 2 after launching their devices. I did however manage to install android on N900 and there was pretty good support from the nerd community for apps and games for quite sometime. It's still considered a pretty good device despite support ended from nokia. That's why I stopped supporting Nokia and moved to apple (yuck, short lived) and LG (even shorter) and now going full steam with Samsung. S3, S4 both have given me good value for money. S5 I skipped as it wasn't much of an upgrade over S4. I wasn't into Note due to not interested in stylus which i never used on N900 as well.

I was gonna wait till S6 but Edge has really caught my attention due to revolutionary design. It may or may not be successful but I for one love to get hold of something which is out of the box. I doubt ip6 or any other upcoming models can match the innovation of Edge.

There are tons of possibilities of customization of the side panel.

I hope it comes out soon and see what the devs can do with it. I for one will be in the front line to buy this.
[Note Edge General] sohebq:
Www.dailymotion.com/video/x256lnf_samsung-galaxy-note-edge-hands-on_tech

Check this demo. I am seriously up for it.

Sent from Galaxy Note 3 (The beauty & beast)
[Note Edge General] xile6:
For now I'm sure it is but I see so much it can do.

The ruler is just killer for starts.

I do like the video controls for movies. It let's you see your full movie while controlling playback.

I like how you can jump between apps without backing out. Yes I know the multitask window let's you do that but this does it without taking up screen space.

Also hear you can get a call on the edge and take it or reject it without leaving your main screen your on.

and that's all normal built in stuff, just wait till the xda devs get a hold it it.

So I think it's pretty damn cool. I'll be a day one order for me.
[Note Edge General] b.huss2:
This