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[Galaxy Note 4 General] ls3mach:
I think it is incremental and nothing special. I don't have to pay for my phones, so I just buy what I want.

So, no is the answer, but yes I am buying it anyway.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] Dan1909:
That's a very strange way of looking at it.

Surely if the Note 4 isn't worth it over the Note 3 you'd just get that? But either way, it's not worth arguing over.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] ls3mach:
I'm also ditching Sprint. No need to argue. The other people at my shop want one too, so I'll be getting a 3 or 4. Not sure if I want the Note 4 or the Note Edge. I really like the wallet case I have with my Note 3 and the Note 2, not sure how well that will work with the Edge.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] alhadee12:
How often do people's phone hit water to need water resistance or proofing to determine the upgrade?
[Galaxy Note 4 General] force70:
I don't get ppls thing over water proofing either ..if your getting your phone wet your doing something wrong lol. I spoke if you work at marineland or something okay :D

Still ppl want what they want...
[Galaxy Note 4 General] alhadee12:
I agree with you that we want we want. I have an S5, but I keep it away from water as much as possible. [emoji1] I also wanted the OnePlus, but I prefer customer service when something happens.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] RCJ89:
For me and a few off my friends//family who have the s4 active and S5 are not totally convinced on the waterproofing. A couple have had to have phones replaced due to water damaged even with the charging ports closed be it accidental drop in the bath/shower or toilet or kitchen sink or after being in the rain.

One of the my friends S5 has gone crazy after he tested the water proofing by pouring a small cup of water over the phone with the charging port securely closed.

Another got caught in the rain and his s5 starting crashing, the phones started zooming in and out of the main menu, going onto youtube, playing music randomly and going into contacts randomly. A mate who has the Z2 also has freezing for about 10-15secs after the screen has been dried.

Last but not least my own S5 does the above if my hands are slightly wet and or if the screen is slightly wet (this despite having a screen protector) so its not exactly touching the glass of screen.

So the one thing all these S4 active/S5s have in common is when wet for what ever reason the phones freeze or randomly starts playing music, going into youtube or contacts.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] guycan:
So then water proof is nothing but b**l s**t then yes the spec I not much of a diff from note 3 to 4 expect the camera and dis

SGNote2
[Galaxy Note 4 General] RCJ89:
I am not sold on the waterproofing any longer, early last year I had the Xperia Z as my first waterproof phone, got bored of it after a while gave it to my sister told her always make sure the headset port and the charging ports were covered before putting it anywhere near water.

After a while the screen somehow got water in it and with the Z they could tell if you never covered the ports because if water touched that white tab it would go red and that didn't happen. So I was able to get a replacement.

Now I am not saying this is the same across the board and I am sure alot of these waterproof phones do work, I mean not all phones have the same problems anyway but from the general experience myself, friends and family have had I am not sold on it anymore.

On top of that I find the constant opening and closing of ports annoying now.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] JimSmith94:
It only takes once!
[Galaxy Note 4 General] alhadee12:
True, but should that be the primary reason that a phone is not worth an upgrade? Sony primarily sales those types of devices, but there sales are not near Apple and Samsung.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] goodwinod:
I would have upgraded from the Note 3 if it was.waterproof. I was very disappointed that it wasn't waterproof. I'll wait for the Note 5.

I wish they would quit worrying about metal. This is just what apple people say to make them feel like their phone is the best. Just make it light.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] Jfree3000:
Disappointed, either keeping my note 3 or going to try the xperia z3 or the G3. Hell I even thought about the m8 but that HTC bezel.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] Mchi5:
Not sure why everyone is so concerned about waterproofing. Chances are the phones screen will Crack or phone get damage from a drop then water damaging it...

I think everyone is pre-judging this phone before even seeing it in action in person. I'm going to hold judgement until I see that awesome screen in person
[Galaxy Note 4 General] xManMythLegend:
I don't see it as a reason not to buy...but a waterproof phone has so much more flexibility on how and when you can use it. Not worrying when something spills , rains , or gets splashed makes a big difference.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] itsmikeramsay:
I'm going Nexus this year. As long as it has the Snap805, I'll be definitely transitioning. Note 3 is a GREAT phone, Note 4 is nice, but it didn't WOW me. Note Edge is a big WTF to me, it's unnecessary imo. I always thought I would've been blown away by a curved screen, but after seeing reviews of it where people keep accidentally hitting it, it'd get annoying to me...

Nexus for me given it's 5.9"... only time will tell...
[Galaxy Note 4 General] pcguy101:
I'm buying the note edge its different,the nexus line is the same every year and those features are already been done .i bought a nexus 5 once hated it and sold it cause it was slow ,battery life sucked.its ashame google can't even do a wow factor in their own line of phones bit they can do boreing and ugly i gave them that credit.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] knarfies:
personally i think the Note 4 is a great upgrade.

1.QHD Display

2.Better looking premium feeling device

3.16mp OIS rear cam and 3.7 front cam said to allow 60% more light which is an upgrade

4. Bigger batter? Fast charging mode and the power saving mode from the S5 is the answer to bigger batteries.

5. fingerprint scanner (im more interested in the app level lock capabilities)

6. speaker means ish to me. if im not paired to my bose speaker, its plugged into my car stereo or level over headphones. my note 2 speaker which was on the back sounded better than my note 3 honestly.

7. better processor and so forth

yes im sad about the no water resistance. i thought this would be a standard but their excuse is that the notes are geared to professionals and business like people. (apparently professionals don't accidentally drop their phones in water or listen to music in the steam room) People are going *itch and moan because the newest device wont turn into a jet and fly them to a remote island but imo, this is a great upgrade and with tmobiles jump program, its not going to cost me anything to upgrade to the note 4 so i see it as a great device to move to.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] Zanr Zij:
For me: only better looking/matterial + better camera. I will buy Duos version if battery life equal to Note 3.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] fix-this!:
The nexus 6 is confirmed to have 5.2".
[Galaxy Note 4 General] DECIM8:
I voted no though I am a bit torn. I like the S-Pen improvements, camera improvements and the fingerprint sensor. I don't get the addition of the S-Health related sensors. I don't like that they reverted to USB2 and neglected to improve the battery. The rest of the changes I am fairly ambivalent about.

With all my likes and dislikes if they had made it Android L ready I would probably be buying one. That would have pushed me over the top.

In reality if I had to get a new device right now I would skip the N4, pay a lot less for an N3 and save my money for something else.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] AngryDinosaur:
No
[Galaxy Note 4 General] DrexelDragon:
No it isn't.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] aulwes:
Multi-view / Multi window has a limited set of apps on the Note 2 and 3 unless you root and use xposed. Did anyone notice if the Note 4 would have Multi-view / Multi window available for any app? That would be a big plus.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] Benny Bosser:
No it won't, it has to do with app copyright infringement and Sammy can't guarantee that evey third party app will work in multi window without fc'ing or breaking multi window (like most apps with side-tabs do). But of course with root there are apps, xposed and roms that allow you to enbale them all. Root is still the way to go if you ask me :D

To answer the question of the thread.

Pros:

- I'm absolutely loving the note 4 design! It just looks so great!

- I love the fact that the screen didn't get bigger, the note series is big enough, if they continue to enlarge these devices how on earth are you going to get it in your pocket?! They should try to make the top and bottom bezzels of the phone smaller, but the phone's already large enough if you ask me.

- I love the new multi window, recent apps and s pen features, it really is a great upgrade

- The new screen is amazing without a doubt!

- Awesome new fast charging function, 50% in half an hour, woooooooooow!

- Camera was already great on the note 3, but improvements are always welcome

Cons:

- I really really really don't like the back speaker. Speakers should be on the bottom of the phone and there should be 2 of them for great sound.

- I would love to see a water- and dustproof phone, but no biggie for me, just buy the Spigen slim armor view case and your phone will survive almost anything (your phone alomst litteraly bcomes a tank :p ).

- The downgrade from usb 3,0 to usb 2,0 is a bit weird, but also no biggie since most things still use 2,0 and the fast charge function is awesome!

- No ram improvement is also a bit weird, but again no biggie, 3gb of ram is great! With android unused ram is wasted ram so 3 gb is more than enough.

In my opinion, if you already own the note 3, you should wait for a note 4 port to the note 3, which will bring all the new goodies to our awesome device (which will definitely be made by one of the great devs on this forum! :D ).

If you're looking for a new phablet sized phone, the Note 4 is the best one out there I think. No other phone manufacturer even comes near Samsung when it comes to phablets.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] Megaflop666:
You haven't met my wife... luckily her s5 is water resistant.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] alhadee12:
Lol.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] Megaflop666:
The octa-core processor technology got my interest but there wasn't enough of an upgrade there for me to consider an upgrade so I'll wait for the note 5 unless my note 3 dies and my warranty is up.... no wait, my warranty anyway expired. 0x1 for life!! F**k Knox while we're discussing Samsung. Hmmm, sorry, back to our regularly scheduled discussion...
[Galaxy Note 4 General] rushless:
Unless you can get the Note 3 new for $200 or $300 less. The Note 3 still has a great display and will have the same overall performance and battery life as the N4. I do not even see the Note 4 as a worthy jump from the S4. Same 28nm chip family and 3D games play smooth on the S4. Plus I would have to pay full price.

I will probably wait now for a device with the 810 since 20nm and 64bit. If the G3 had a good 1080p display instead of the resource hogging low contrast Qhd, I might have got that.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] barondebxl:
Finally someone who makes sense. I read a few posts that said they would buy the note 3 instead...unless it is significantly cheaper than it would be better to go for the note 4.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] bipoler:
........ sigh. ..... the note 4 was NOT created to gain note 3 consumers. .... clearly they are slowing down the tech cycle the way tech changes the yearly upgrade cycle is too frequent, again this phone is not being marketed to current note 3 users so stop complaining lol muah
[Galaxy Note 4 General] fffft:
Not much of an upgrade over the N3

Samsung continues to disappoint. As expressed in this XDA Portal post, Samsung has made a lot of questionable design and marketing decisions lately and is slowly losing their position as a leading brand.

The Note 3 and S5 are great phones, but the S5 didn't really break any new ground, nor does the Note 4 really. Samsung is resting on their laurels and not bringing anything but modest refinements to the table. That doesn't mean that the N4 is a bad phone, but it's really not much of an upgrade from the N3. And the S5 for a supposed flagship phone didn't even give us 32 GB ROM /3 GB RAM. And then there is the S5 Prime fiasco where Samsung flat out lied that there wouldn't be a forthcoming Prime model. No wonder S5 sales have been disappointing.

I could list a lot of N4 disappointments too but in particular not water sealing the N4 like they did for the S5 is enormously disappointing and will prevent me from buying a Note 4. Then there is the missing USB 3, temp sensor, no 64 GB ROM /64 bit /4 GB RAM or anything else significant. The QHD screen would be a big deal on a large screen e.g. a TV, but doesn't make very much difference for a 5.7" screen.

And then Samsung is pushing hard to move from the Android OS to Tizen which is markedly inferior to the very capable Android OS. If Samsung actually moves the Note or S series to the inferior Tizen (just so that they can push their own ads and increase profit margins), they've lost me entirely as a customer.

Samsung could do a lot better. Lets hope that they get back on track before the train derails.

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[Galaxy Note 4 General] PunishedSnake:
For me band 12 trumps m8 front speakers
[Galaxy Note 4 General] RCJ89:
What is band 12?
[Galaxy Note 4 General] PunishedSnake:
It's only relevant to tmobile..

It's their 700mhz lte band 12
[Galaxy Note 4 General] oneandroidnut:
anything is an upgrade from junk note 3 speaker. my g3 speaker is on bottom and will blow note 3 out of the water any day.

4 gb of ram requires 64 bit processors first and not sure a 4000 mah battery is able to fit within the frame

completely wrong

dont think sd 805 is optimized yet for 4 gb or 64 bit. and 3500 mah is about as high as they could probably squeeze in. idk 3220 mah might be
[Galaxy Note 4 General] ttabbal:
4GB RAM (or more) really needs 64bit. It could be done on x86-32bit, but it was a hack and performance suffered some. Since 64bit CPUs were probably not ready in time for prototyping the N4, those make sense. I don't think anyone is shipping mass production quantity of them yet. 64bit has more, larger registers, that can make a performance difference. The increased memory space also does. Unused RAM is NOT wasted by the system. It's used to speed access to data as disk cache. Even with fast flash, RAM is orders of magnitude faster. And garbage collection systems need available RAM to perform well. There is a point of diminishing returns, but we're still a ways from that.

Water resistant would be nice, particularly since the S5 has it. The issues with the pen slot and such could be managed fine.

USB3 is an odd choice. Particularly for the connector. If the current one is too big, why not use the newer version that is smaller and doesn't care if you plug in upside down? That would have been a big win. And I don't even use USB3. :)

Screen... I don't know how much bigger they can make the phone. The screen could be bigger if they shrink the bezels. QHD I'm not sold on yet. I'll check it out in person when the stores get demo models though. The N3 1080p screen is very nice though...

Not having qi charging is a bit of a fail, particularly with the small battery. I'd have to buy a zerolemon for it. And no, quick charge and efficiency gains don't offset that for everyone. Make the stupid phones a couple mm thicker and we could have 5000mAh or so.

Spen updates are meh to me. I rarely use the thing. But sure, why not improve it...

Extra sensors are also pretty worthless to me. I have asthma, so spo2 is moderately interesting, but not enough to matter by itself.

Band12 is nice, for those areas that will get it. Not near me, sadly. I could use better building coverage at work.

CPU/GPU is a little better. About as much as is available right now I guess. Software features will end up ported to at least N3, so that's a wash.

I'd also wait for root and bootloader evaluation from developers here. I will not buy a locked down device. Tmobile is good there, so I'm reasonably confident that it will be fine. While I wait, I can watch and see what else might be interesting. No hurry, N3 with Tweaked and DeCAF SlimKat are working well for me.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] ShadowLea:
Such a shame the Exynos 5433 isn't 64bit..

Oh wait.

It is.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] barondebxl:
It does not negate what he said. Read it again. 4gb+ of ram requires 64bit processors but 64bit processors dont require 4gigs or ram.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] Dat Noob:
Well the Ascend Mate7 has a 4100mAh battery and it's almost the same size as the Note 4, so giving us a 3500mAh for the Note 4 couldn't have been too complicated.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] oneandroidnut:
If I recall the mate 7 is slightly bigger and heavier then note 4. Also the battery in non removable correct? Those couple things make it so much easier to give it a bigger battery. While I agree the note 4 should have had a little bigger but I can understand why it doesn't. Costs of redesigning everything for it wouldn't be a big enough gain. Note 3 battery life was superb with new processor and everything note 4 should be better
[Galaxy Note 4 General] Dat Noob:
Yeah you're right. From GSMarena: Mate 7 - 185 g, 157 x 81 x 7.9 mm and a non-removable 4100mAh battery,

Note 4 - 176 g, 153.5 x 78.6 x 8.5 mm and a 3220mAh battery.

The difference in size and weight are not enough to justify the huge difference in battery. It probably has to do with design. Still disappointing though. I really hope we'll see a major improvements. Samsung claims around 7% improvement if I remember correctly.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] Lodix:
With a non reomovable battery you can put a ~20% more battery because there is not need to protect the battery and you gain space, also Note 4 has an s-pen inside that takes a lot of space.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] mty msi:
Most likely I'll go with a $99 Note 3. Only thing I'm waiting for is to use the SPen on the 3 & 4 because the reviews I've read so far say the Note 4 is a considerable improvement. For me to pay at least $300 to upgrade to the Note 4 it's going to have to be a huge difference in how the SPen writes. A lot of the Note 4 features I really don't care about like the monitors and the UHD screen. I use my phone for business and don't watch videos, surf the internet or listen to music.

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The cost, a Note 3 is $99 on a 2 yr upgrade and the 4 will probably be in the $3-400 price range. That's a huge difference.

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I just read today the Nexus 6 is supposedly a 6" screen.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] oneandroidnut:
Read comment below. Exactly true

Yup exactly
[Galaxy Note 4 General] Warnahly:
ok the metal frame is nice with some new specs in the phone

but its a big big big waste of money i meany the back design of the note 4 really sucks, our note3 has more beautiful design

and the note 3 is an amazing device and not worth the upgrade to note 4

maybe its worth if your coming from note 2 or note 1
[Galaxy Note 4 General] oneandroidnut:
explain to me how it isnt an upgrade over the note 3?
[Galaxy Note 4 General] dpoverlord:
I am really confused on this note 4, I WANTED to buy a note 4 really WANTED.

I figured I would wait and see what roms port over vs the note 3, I was keen to really make the switch but there seems to be no real compelling argument in favor of going to the note 4. It almost seems that after reading this its a step back.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] afrosamurai123:
My 2 Cents about an UPGRADE

If the S5 lineup is to be anything of a lesson... I reckon that Samsung will probably launch 3 or 4 more note variants.

How many S5's are there in total today?

So if you have a note 1 or 2, well, the upgrade is, in fact, an upgrade.

If you have a note 3 (like me), it is not an upgrade, it's only a display of opulence and desire, or lust.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] sanjsrik:
I've been looking at the Huawei Mate 7 or another device. It's really a shame. Samsung had a chance to really impress people with the newest device. They just failed miserably and it really won't be a challenge to the apple device even if it is just an icrap. People will buy it because it has an apple logo on it. They won't be rushing to the Samsung Note 4 because it's a new device, they'll just shrug and have the "meh" reaction like I had.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] Warnahly:
im not saying its not a complete upgrade, im saying its not worth the upgrade thats all

im not ready to waste crap load of money for a new phone where mine is perfectly good, not all of us can afford to waste money on every single new phone arrives

i wait for a major upgrade then i'll consider it

note 3 is a great phone it doesnt lag (for me) nor heat up, it has a great camera , great processor, amazing design, what more do the one want ?

for me im satisfied

oh yeah and for the non removable battery ok its a change but im not buying it just for the battery :/

need a battery on the note 3 get zerolemon for about 50USD dont waste 800 just for a new phone over the note 3 and it just has a different specs

need more explaining ?
[Galaxy Note 4 General] Dan1909:
There are a few different versions, but they don't really cause any of the issues that people often state.

In reality, each region has just the one variant, be it the Snapdragon or the Exynos variant. Apart from Korea (and Singapore, I think?) which also have the LTE-A version, as they actually have carriers who support the technology.

Samsung have a habit of releasing a lot of variants, but very few (if any) of them actually see a release. So in the eyes of the general public (who make up the vast majority of phone buyers), there's only the one variant of each model.

The only real downside for us is the splitting of developers between the SD/Exy versions, which is annoying, but not the end of the world really.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] barondebxl:
Speak for yourself buddy, I think the note 4 is absolutely awesome.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] sanjsrik:
I am speaking for myself. Kind of the point of having an opinion.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] barondebxl:
"Samsung had the chance to impress people but they didn't.." You should change it to "Samsung had a chance to impress me but they didn't" . Your opinion does not reflect the masses.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] oneandroidnut:
i agree i used the note 3 for like 9 months and not a phone out there could take it away from my daily use phone. I love my note 3 but the note 4 gets an upgrade in every category possible except maybe usb 3.0 to 2.0 which i dont use and it isnt worth an upgrade? I dropped $750 on my developer edition note 3 last fall and had probably $800+ in it with cases and charger/batteries and sold for $595 so for another $200 i can have a note 4 with all the goodies again you better believe im upgrading! :laugh:

Note 3

2.3 ghz Snapdragon 800

Krait 400 GPU

5.7" Screen 1920 x 1080 with 386 ppi

3,200 mah battery

13 mp rear camera/2 mp front camera

Note 4

2.7 ghz Snapdragon 805

Krait 450 GPU

5.7" Screen 2560x1440 with 515 ppi

3,220 mah

16 mp rear camera/3.7 mp front camera

overall note 4 has it in every spec. touchwiz should be improved, new radios/processor should increase battery life. note 4 ftw

me too i dont get all the hate
[Galaxy Note 4 General] sanjsrik:
Considering your next device is going to be an iPhone. Your opinion and anything you might express really doesn't impress. As far as playing my editor, I can pretty much ignore anything you might have to say.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] barondebxl:
What phone i get next isnt any of your business, and i dont post here to impress anyone. You're entitled to your opinion just like anyone else, just dont speak for everyone. The note doesnt impress you? Great, thats your opinion. It impresses me and others.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] alone again:
No,

USB 2.0, no water resistance

wth Samsung???
[Galaxy Note 4 General] LaZer713:
Yes its worth in every aspect of it.