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[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] wiz4769:
I have been able to upgrade since the end of June on my S3. But have been holding out to see what is coming out the end of this year. I wanted to go for the Nexus 6/X but since its been so quiet on that front I have been thinking about going for the Note 4...I feel like its too big of a phone to be honest, but hell most phones are going the 5.5 at least route and that is so close you might as well get the 5.7 with s pen and all and be done with it....Im still not 100%.

I pretty much just root my phone and debloat it. I know it wont be right away, but it will be rootable Im sure before too long. I dont care about custom roms for it, just root.

My battery is giving out on me so I want to upgrade next month if at all possible. Not knowing full specs for the Nexus now. If they dont have a full announcement pretty close to the release of the Notes I will take the plunge. If the Nexus ends up being 5.2 and pimped out I will go that way instead.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] mastaofdacat:
Just preordered from AT&T store ! Black !

Sent from THE GALAXY NOTE 3 !
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] mircury:
Well, prepare yourself for a 6 month wait or longer (Coming from the Note 3 forum).
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] wiz4769:
The bad thing is no phones are jumping out at me...my gut says its too big and I wont like it...but looks to be pretty much the best phone of 2014 so far anyways....

Too many questions on the Nexus left hanging, will ATT have it, will it be almost as huge??
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] mircury:
I don't know for sure on the size but the nexus phones will work on ATT or Tmobile for sure. You will most certainly be able to get it from the play store.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] billinaz:
Lucky you, here is what I got this morning for a ship date from Verizon

Order Date: 09/19/2014

Ship By: 10/23/2014
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] wiz4769:
I sure hope its 5.2 .....good to know it will work on ATT tho. Shame that the Note is so locked down, with me already being hesitant, that might be the tipping point to vote no

The Z3 was the only other one that caught my eye even a little bit
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] ewingr:
It's lookin' like I'll be a while before I get one.

I too want to root. I understand that typically the TMO phones are not locked down and can be rooted. But I suspect I need to wait until I see how it goes, whenever they make it available.

I wonder what their purchase price will be. It's pretty steep from AT&T.

Who knows, maybe the Nexus will come out earlier than the wait I'm looking at here, and will go that route...but I think I'd like the stylus on the Note.

Still waiting...
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] wiz4769:
Looking at the Nexus 5, only sprint offers it for a discounted price...will the 6/X be the same?? I dont spend $500 on a phone sorry. I have a discounted family plan so getting a $199 phone on contract is just fine, I have too many lines scattered I could never drop without careful planning anyways...so If the only way to get a Nexus is $500 at the play store its a no go for me...Are these ever available from the other carriers?
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] borijess:
Yeah they are doing that cause they have an offer of 100 dollar credit. That will be applied to bill when purchasing note. Essentially they are not losing any money.

Sent from the TermiNOTEr 2! ;)
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] borijess:
Yeah they are doing that cause they have an offer of 100 dollar credit. That will be applied to bill when purchasing note. Essentially they are not losing any money.

Sent from the TermiNOTEr 2! ;)

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Yeah they are doing that cause they have an offer of 100 dollar credit. That will be applied to bill when purchasing note. Essentially they are not losing any money.

Sent from the TermiNOTEr 2! ;)
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] cvail71:
What is this $100 credit you speak of? I can't find anything about that when buying full retail, no contract.

$825 is BS when Verizon is selling it for $700.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] ReggieSmith:
Sure hope towelroot works on this thing.... as usual it will come loaded down with BLOAT!!! i just want root so i can disable it and remove carrierIQ..
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] natienn:
Best Buy

You pre-order it (AT&T version) from best buy at least for $799.99 even though its still too much but better than $829.99 (black or white).
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] borijess:
http://www.technobuffalo.com/2014/08/29/att-offering-100-bill-credit-with-att-next-activations/

Sent from the TermiNOTEr 2! ;)
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] borijess:
Does anyone know if the cheapest smartphone to trade in to att? That can at least net me 10 dollars trade in value.

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[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] phobia09:
Might wanna re-read that lol. It's for next activations on new lines ONLY. Not upgrades.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] borijess:
Yes I know

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[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] someone0:
I think the AT&T employees have 50% discount for the contract accessories, but no phone discount. I could be wrong though.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] cvail71:
That's actually a worse option for because I'd have to pay sales tax. So the $800 phone from BB will cost my $875.

I would prefer to buy it from Amazon (bought my N2 from them) - better return policy, fast shipping, no sales tax. But they have it for $825 too.

It's just ridiculous for the AT&T version to cost that much more.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] natienn:
Well Amazon only has the att and verizon version. And they added taxes in checkout for both (I'm in florida). Maybe an unlocked phone wouldn't have taxes but those available now looks like taxes will be charged.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] oldblue910:
I pre-ordered my Galaxy Note 4 from AT&T today. I'd love to know why AT&T's version is $825.99 while Verizon's is only $699.99. There's no logical reason for it other than someone at AT&T corporate HQ saying "no one buys these at full retail price anyway so no one will notice if we build in a little extra profitability on the back end." If AT&T was selling a 64GB, I could almost understand the huge price discrepancy, but that's not the case. It'll be interesting to see where T-Mobile and Sprint fall with their pricing.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] Kawaisa:
It's $720 at Sprint and $750 at T-Mobile
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] oldblue910:
Where did you find that info?
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] Kawaisa:
http://newsroom.sprint.com/news-rel...h-pricing-plans-that-beat-the-competitors.htm

http://newsroom.t-mobile.com/news/t...ce-to-pre-order-the-samsung-galaxy-note-4.htm
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] oldblue910:
Thanks!
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] stu5797:
How can we all complain to att about this scam. This is ridiculous that the are charging way more for the phone!
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] borijess:
So can't you call att and have them price match competition?

Sent from the TermiNOTEr 2! ;)
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] Raiderman:
I have spent a couple of hours with customer support at At&t, and their smugness and lack of catering to my needs, and now this price difference, has very much soured me on getting another phone from them. Not to mention the locked bootloaders. I will not purchase another phone from them, and will probably switch service providers to T-mobile.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] stu5797:
I tried calling for a price match and it is a waste of time. Even retention couldn't help but at least he was friendly. He had no explanation. I like att and my 10th share plan but this really stinks on their part. Most people will never catch this though.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] cvail71:
True, only a handful of us pay full retail, and AT&T doesn't appear to care because they want to push/lock people in with the Next program.

I've considered switching to t- mobile before, but their coverage in my area is substandard to AT&T. This price gouge is making me reconsider them again though...
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] cvail71:
Amazon only charges sales tax where they have a presence/nexus. To date, IL isn't one of those states. And 9% on $800 at BB is a decent chunk - more than the $25 more Amazon is listing it for.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] ekerbuddyeker:
I am usually a very early adopter of new devices, but for the first time I'm going to wait this one out. I have a note 3 and frankly the differences aren't so great (evolutionary rather than revolutionary... And less so this time than last time), and I just cannot justify spending $825 plus tax on this device, when it's so much less on other carriers. So I will wait a few weeks. The price always drops somewhere, plus there's always the route of calling the retention department, but they can't do anything until the device is out.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] Raiderman:
The price gouge is probably the last straw for me. Ive been with at&t for 5 years, and I thinks their service area is quite good in my area, but the Gestapo policy towards developers is almost discriminatory. Its a simple sim switch at T-mobile, if your phone is unlocked, like most of mine are.

I have 5 lines, and 4 of the phones are rooted, so unlocking them will be easy.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] someone0:
http://gethuman.com/email/AT-T/
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] borijess:
Just emailed him.

Sent from the TermiNOTEr 2! ;)
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] wase4711:
I hate to say this, but you guys must know that ATT doesn't give a rats arse about overcharging/price matching/gouging anybody, anytime, anything...

Do whatever you can to get away from them, if you can, but don't kid youself into thinking they care one bit about overcharging for anything..
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] someone0:
Are other cell carriers much different? Unless you get very good signal from a small carrier from wherever you live & work and you don't go anywhere else, it's practically impossible to escape from the big 4. If you very want to complain, then complain to FCC and your local government rep. They are the real reason we are in the f-up situation in the first place. If there is no ATT, then just a big 3, and considering the big red V in the top and Sprint in the distant second, then we would be in even more screw up. Even though they suppose to be competitors, but they all act like there is no competition.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] spinedoc:
F($* AT&T. The Tmobile one is $549 with the Samsung rebate. I figure it's only a couple hundred more than getting a subsidized one and I still get the $25 monthly credit on my AT&T plan. It's a tougher decision for someone with their heart set on the next plan though.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] reddream1893:
Why is there no "2-year committment" option on the AT&T website for Note 4???

Are they forcing me to use AT&T Next???

Oh no i just found out I had to wait till the end of Nov to enjoy the "2-year committment" pricing.......
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] spinedoc:
Just curious, everyone else who is buying the AT&T version do you guys not care about the locked bootloader and possible inability to root?
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] reddream1893:
Note 3 also has a locked bootloader. Am I not correct?
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] Jonnyredcorn:
Get the next new Nexus 6/X. Its off contract, costs hardly more than a comparable phone on contract and it can be rooted and unlocked. Nexus 5 is one of the best phones I've used.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] spinedoc:
I'll be getting the Tmobile version.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] borijess:
I sent an email to this person. I got a response today. To reply to email with account info. I got a call from them an hour later. Couldn't answer the call but left a message stating they are calling in response to the pricing issue. Let's hope I get the hook up.

Sent from the TermiNOTEr 2! ;)
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] ewingr:
Of course who knows when and what it'll really be. Rumors seem to be all over the place. Then the question is what features are you wanting on your phone, and how quickly are you needing one.

I'm considering that, but want to wait to be sure that it does in fact have an unlocked bootloader.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] animeware:
There something I do not get from ATT Service why are they selling the ATT Version phone for $826.00 without contract

The Verizon Version is $699.99 and TMobile is $749.76 for there phones without contacts. why ATT making it so expensive this doesn't make any since.O tried to call them they told me I cannot look up other carriers exact ATT I cannot price match bunch of $$$$..
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] wase4711:
See post #69
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] chong67:
Simple: Leave

Do you have other carriers in your area? Go with them.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] drmacrofish:
Man, what happened to Negri Electronics? Last year you could buy the Note 3 t mobile version from them for a great deal. Ton of people here on xda did it too. Now Negri website is no more. They apparently got bought out by a bigger company, but I thought their business was to continue. No website though now.

Anyone know?
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] stu5797:
It's now Gsmnation.com. They have pre-orders for an unlocked note 4. Will this work on att?
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] drmacrofish:
Ah, ok. Was wondering about that site. Looks like it is the international version they have there which will NOT give us LTE speeds on ATT or T Mo for that matter. Hopefully they will get some t mobile versions there. That would be great.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] :
Too much testosterone here waiting for this phone, but usually happens that way--;)

Note 4 is my 1st choice at moment. Nexus and yes, even iPhone 6 plus. are next. :o

However, hands on with iPhone left me very dissatisfied--I don't see the hype--just me and not bashing it--

As far as carriers, depends on your location imho. ATT works best for me. TMobile coverage doesn't cut it for my business appt areas.

Verizon, I am sure would do fine also. But, at +50.00 more "per month" for similar coverage quickly surpasses the 100.00, one time, investment.

I also, have been less interested in rom flashing lately. Only run one developer's rom now. Root only would work for me, if no other choice. I don't really debloat the roms anymore. I think the phones, esp the Note 4, will have enough speed and capacity that you won't see any difference in performance. Not like it was when we had .5 and 1gb of ram and 1GHz processor phones.

All IMHO--:good:
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] ferris2375:
As an AT&T customer how can I buy this full retail from T-Mobile and get the rebate?
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] daraj:
Im assuming it works as follows:

Buy the cheapest Tmobile smartphone from Ebay or Wherever;

Buy a tmobile prepaid account so they allow you to buy their note 4;

goto to tmobile store, with the smartphone you bought from ebay, and do a trade in store and buy the Note 4;

submit trade receipts to Samsung to get the remainder of the money;

profit.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] dawheat:
That's how their family plans now work- you pay for the shared data (say 10GB for $100) and then you pay a per-line fee depending on whether the device is subsidized or not:

- if under subsidy - it's $40/mo

- if not under subsidy - it's $15/mo

How exactly did you think they were paying for the subsidy? Previously regardless of whether you were on subsidy or not, you always paid around $40 so it never made sense to do anything but constantly upgrade. Now, if you don't need to upgrade, you can save a decent amount of money.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] wase4711:
the only thing ATT "waives" is your hard earned cash that they take from you every month for crap like this..
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] chong67:
:laugh::laugh::laugh:
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] ewingr:
Surely what I"m understanding is not correct. So for example, I am on the family plan with 4 people, paying 160 per month. The post you were replying to said when you do the upgrade, they charge you additional $25/month/per line. A strict interpretation of that would mean for upgrading a phone on subsidy, I would pay an additional 100 per month every month, being 1200 a year. This surely is not correct.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] phobia09:
If each of the four lines upgrade under subsidy, then yes. If only one line upgrades, you see the $25 bill increase for ONLY THAT LINE.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] dawheat:
Per line - your case would only apply if you upgraded via subsidy on all 4 lines simultaneously.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] ewingr:
It's interesting. Then, if we pay 299 to upgrade, then pay 25/month, it's not much of a subsidy. Might as well buy it full price.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] drmacrofish:
Ding ding ding. We have a winner. :) Best thing to do now with AT&T if on the newer plans is to buy the phone outright, or do Next, which is basically like leasing the phone with 0% finance charge option to buy at any time.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] ekerbuddyeker:
... Except I don't want to pay a total of $850 for a phone. Has to be a cheaper way.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] drmacrofish:
Buy a cheap smartphone and turn it in when you get your Note 4 and Samsung will get you 200$

Also Best Buy has it at full price for 799$.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] stu5797:
I believe best buy told me the price for att is 899.99 not 799.99. Hope you are right though?
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] drmacrofish:
Well online they have it for 799$ I put it in my cart online to check it out. If it is 899$ in store for some reason, they will price match themselves. Lol.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] J-man67:
Am I reading this correctly? I pre-ordered and paid the 299,tax,and upgrade fee. I will also see a $25 increase on my bill?
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] ewingr:
That's what I understand. Pretty much sucks. To me, that means they are not really subsidizing.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] rydaz:
If anyone is interested, BestBuy has the Note 4 for $199 on a 2yr contract at checkout. This price along with the $200 promotion makes it a pretty good deal.

** There may be some fine prints about combining these two deals . Proceed with caution.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] borijess:
The best buy deal for 199 looks to be for new customers.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] borijess:
Bestbuy is selling the att version black for 199.99

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[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] Stigga:
any catch to $199 at BB?
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] wase4711:
yeah there is one; you're stuck with ATT...
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] Stigga:
haha true, I am switching to android (long time iphone user). I am debating the note 4 or the nexus 6. I have a few questions:

-Is touchwiz as bad as people say?

-Can you mod it to remove bloat (samsung and ATT)?

-When do you think Android L will come out for the note?

-How much earlier can you get it with a custom ROM?

Anything else I should factor into my decision? Thanks!
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] wafuzel:
No catch to the $199 deal at best buy with a contract. I checked and it is available for new customers and also folks that are signing a two year extension on their contract. I cancelled my preorder through ATT and ordered it through Best Buy. Also you can trade in your phone to get up to $200 to put towards your purchase when you pick up your phone at the store. You cannot get it shipped to your home if you are thinking of doing the trade in. Worst case for me, I will get less than $200 for my phone and Samsung's promo will cover the difference up to $200. Either way, i would be paying a lot less out the door with Best Buy vs going through the carrier directly.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] Corriewf:
I don't see the note 4 for $199.99 anywhere on Best Buys website..
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] Stigga:
Do you think this is preorder only? I want to wait and see the nexus 6 before buying.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] :
Always bought my phones outright. Bought two S4's Early May 2013. On a 2 year contract. Left TMO for ATT. Buying thru BB can you extend my contact another 2 years buying the Note or iPhone and keep my current older plan. Not sure I like the Next plans.

I got two S4's and a old TMobile LG clam shell, no data on it. 6gb limit and pay 135.00 taxes and all. Seems the new plans would cost me more.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] wafuzel:
I am going back to Best Buy tonight to check some things out so i could ask. However i can guarantee that the preorder price is $199 for ATT on contract. I would imagine it would apply for non preorders as well if they have them in stock. However, rumor is that they were going to lower the price on the note 4 within a few months anyways (holiday season) and it seems Best Buy was a bit early on that front.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] Stigga:
Awesome. Thanks!
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] wafuzel:
For some strange reason the best buy site is now listing the galaxy note 4 back to $299 on contract. I will need to check my pre order to make sure they didn't mess up

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I was able to find the $199 price again when i went to bestbuy's mobile site instead of the desktop version. Strange but it's there again. My suggestion is that if you are interested, pre order it now and force them to honor the price before they suggest it was done in error.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] Corriewf:
I was able to find it by going to the checkout page. I screenshoted it and am going to try and get them to honor the price on the 17th in store. You have to do the store pick up for the $200 phone trade in deal.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] wase4711:
-Touchwiz is a matter of personal taste; some people love it, some hate it, some are in between. You usually need it to run all the unique enhancements and software that Samsung loads on their phones, but you can always use another launcher if you hate it

-to remove ALL bloat, you will have to root the phone, which is usually pretty easy on a samsung phone, but might be a problem if the bootloader is locked, which is most certainly will be, at least initially, on ATT/Sprint and Verizon; probably not on TMobile though

-Android L will come out when Google wants to release it; trying to predict the exact date is like asking when there will be peace in the world...

-Some custom roms already have bits of it on them, but, obviously it has to actually be released before it can be incorporated in any custom rom.

"Generally", Nexus devices are the first ones to get new Android software..

If you think you will use the S-pen, and alot of the software enhancements that will be on the Note 4, then get that

If you want plain jane Android, then Nexus would be better
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] ewingr:
I have read in several places now that if you get the subsidized from AT&T that the monthly rates will go up by 25 or 40 dollars. I don't remember what made the difference between the 2 prices.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] Stigga:
Thanks for the response! I am really torn. I thought I wanted pure android through the nexus but I am in love with there Note 4 screen. Trying to debate if the touchwiz issues are worth it.

Will AT&T boot loader eventually get unlocked?

Last year the AT&T note 3 got kit kat 6 months after release. If L is the same can I root it and get it sooner?

Thanks!
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] J-man67:
Thats rediculous. I would of just went with the NEXT plan if thats the case. I plan to call and if this is true, cancel for now. I was really looking forward to this phone as my clapped out s3 is...well clapped out and tired. I have always purchased subsidized as I am happy with my service and rate. Never had an increase. I paid a 40 upgrade fee, but that was it.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] drmacrofish:
If you are still on an older plan, they do not charge you more. It is only with the newer mobile share value plans that they charge you more for a subsidized phon3, and that is because you are already getting a discount in the plan pricing.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4] J-man67:
Awesome. Thanks for the explanation. Now I just have to call and change the shipping address b/c we are moving to a new office. I can't know a new phone is sitting at home while I'm at work...