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[Galaxy Note 4 General] m3lover1:
Not credit per se. You have to pay off at least half of what the phone cost was, then give the phone back to tmobile and they will wipe out the remaining balance and start the EIP over again with the new phone.

So for example, I bought the G3 for $599 under EIP back in July. I sold it this week for $450 (Damn prices dropped when note 4 was announced). So not including taxes what not, I lost about $150. If I had used jump, I would have to pay $298.50 to be eligible for jump, plus the $10 a month for several months. For me it was much better selling on my own versus using jump. And you almost always will be able to sell it for a higher value than giving it back to tmobile at half of the phones value.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] Baratheonist:
Just for everyone's info, the jump program terms changed some time in April. The new jump(which you are talking about) will cover only up to 50% of your original phone cost. You will be responsible to pay any remaining eip balance beyond that.

The original jump terms credit you for the entire eip balance at the time of upgrade. If you are on the original jump (i enrolled on day 1 of the program) and did not interrupt service, you will be "grandfathered" into the old jump plan and just need to turn in your phone.

I confirmed this with T mobile and have their email response saved in my inbox. Whether this gets implemented remains to be seen the day I upgrade to the Note 4. I suggest pointing such out to the store manager rather than a newbie rep if the same applies to you and issues arise.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] knarfies:
Yeah so you just give them your device and stop paying on that device and start over on the new device. Its almost like renting the device with no interest.

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Good to know, so since I had the jump program when I got the note 3 when it cam out, I should be grandfathered in right? I think after a year I only owe like 300 so that's less than half anyways
[Galaxy Note 4 General] kuromusha38:
Design & Build

Enjoy your new antenna issues and drop out of phones calls! Lol

Camera with OIS

Still crap. I carry my RX100 with me everyone, beat that! Lol

Touchwiz UX Effects

Touchwiz sucks, I put customise rom on my phone, we all do. So what is this even a reason? Plus Note 3 have more roms! lol

Advanced Hardware

Not really. Still going to be lag feast! lol

Richer Display (Super AMOLED 1440 x 2560 pixels)

Are you going to carry a microscrope with you when looking at the display? If not the display is absolutely the same thing. I prefer a longer battery life! lol

Increased Battery Life (3,220 mAh)

Is this a joke? Seriously 20 mah more and this is a reason? You guys are just being a fanboy! Samsung is laugh hard at this joke and so am I. 20 mha lol.

Note Edge Features

This is !@#$%^&* stupid, you can't put a case on and you will crack your phone when you drop it! Lol

Improved S Pen Features

Note 3 developers will implement this features any way! Lol
[Galaxy Note 4 General] joelteixeira:
Seems that you got hurt really bad by Samsung.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] spinedoc:
And wrong on almost every complaint, lol.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] kuromusha38:
The ability to use my phone in the rain and charge my phone faster is more than enough to get the note 3 instead of 4.

Like if you agree.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] joelteixeira:
50% battery in 30 minutes isn't good for you?

Galaxy Note 3 isn't waterproof, is it?

Are you a professional or enthusiastic photographer to carry a camera with so many great cams the phones got today? I just can't imagine carrying another device with me.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] SaschaHa:
That's a joke?
[Galaxy Note 4 General] Kawaisa:
I'm only getting it because of the $200 trade-in promo. But it does have everything I felt was missing with my previous 2 notes - OIS and better construction.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] oneandroidnut:
Let me guess isheep user?
[Galaxy Note 4 General] oneandroidnut:
Agreed but I think front speakers would make it too big for most then. I think note 3 & note 4 size is perfect although the HTC one max was fine by me too
[Galaxy Note 4 General] oneandroidnut:
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[Galaxy Note 4 General] kuromusha38:
No, look at my sig. I use the Note 2
[Galaxy Note 4 General] oneandroidnut:
Can't on mobile and sorry but you have no room to talk if you use outdated note 2
[Galaxy Note 4 General] rushless:
The Samsung $200 price bridge in the US means $542 full price, so I pre ordered one. Was looking at the Note 3 for the same price until the $200 pre order deal was announced.

Samsung must be very concerned with the iPhone 6 Plus and the analysts now stating up to one third of Android users wanting bigger devices might bail. That seems way high, but even if half that, it will hurt.

The deal stops on 10/16, so street date must be 10/17.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] kuromusha38:
oh please, My Note 2 has been tune and beefed up with the latest rom and gears that it is faster than most of your Note 4.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] oneandroidnut:
Haha yeah right buddy
[Galaxy Note 4 General] rushless:
For me, the $200 deal pushes me into getting the N4 and retiring my S4 as backup. That said, if full price purchases are not part of the deal, my S4 32gb will not be retired. I can rationalize at $530, but not at $742. That almost pays for an Alienware 13 releasing this November :)
[Galaxy Note 4 General] schlepprock:
Simply because I want one.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] MikeyLee:
Clearly this is an iPhone user trying to make himself feel better about his piece of crap phone
[Galaxy Note 4 General] barondebxl:
For the benchmarks junkies

http://www.gsmarena.com/galaxy_note_4_and_galaxy_note_edge_benchmarked-news-9752.php
[Galaxy Note 4 General] barfingmonkey:
Better for my aging eyes!

Oh, and I have normal to large hands, don't like small tiny phones.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] Toss3:
To be honest I'm thinking Samsung are limiting the performance of the Exynos version on purpose. A57/A53 should without a doubt be faster than the s805. My guess is that with some kernel tweaking the Exynos version is going to demolish the s805.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] Lodix:
It is true, Samsung has implemented a kernel in Note 4 optimized for Cortex A15/A7 rather than A57/A53... And with support for 64 bits it will be another little boost.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] Slai:
Id say its quite a decent upgrade. The S-Pen, along with the multitasking changes and OIS, make this worth it for me. The insane screen helps, but its mostly those SW changes. As well as the metal band, that actually does add something to my "want". Then again, I already have the Note 3. Which is just an amazing god damn phone. Even today, a LONG time after I got mine, I still sometimes catch myself thinking "holy ****. this phone is insanely awesome.". So I doubt youll regret a Note 3 anyways. I just prefer having a Note 4. Faster Android L, better SW, better HW, just an upgrade across the board.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] xda23:
Lol. Hell yeah!!! :)
[Galaxy Note 4 General] os10:
Poll should have Gear VR accessory ~ this was the tipping point for me. First to market VR, even with all the limitations, I gotta have it.

Had a chance to play on a commerical VR arcade some 20 years ago, was a simple FPS type game. Thought it awesome despite the low res and high price.... been waiting for this ever since. Hopefully the headset will be available by Xmas :D
[Galaxy Note 4 General] matase:
Hey guys,

I'm pretty disappointed with the new nexus devices. 6P is too large and doesn't have microSD, OIS, and the starting price is a little high. 5X has too small of a screen and it would be a downgrade from my 5.5" OPO screen, also starting price of 5X is too much.

Only gripe with my OPO right now is crappy indoor and night pictures.. I usually take pictures with friends indoors and pictures came out blurry and/or super grainy. I don't have the steady hands to hold the phone completely still for the time it takes the phone to snap a photo. I used to have an iPhone 5 and it used to quickly snap pictures without any blurring. How good is the note 4 snapping pictures? Also how's the screen on note 4? I don't think I can downgrade in screen size/quality from OPO. I spend a lot of time reading on my phone so a screen size is important, otherwise I would get a galaxy s6. Lastly, which versions of the note 4 have unlocked bootloaders? I see there's a few variants.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] jhonyp:
Note 4 display is the best display right now. That's why samsung don't make major changes to it and put same display technology on note 5.

I'm coming from LG g3 QuadHD IPS panel and can say note 4 display is so much better than LG g3 display.

Enviado desde mi SM-N920C mediante Tapatalk
[Galaxy Note 4 General] frankgreimes:
The note 4 screen is gorgeous you won't be disappointed. The camera makes great pictures of course a lower aperture is always better in low light conditions but thanks to OIS you shouldn't get blurry photos.

to me it's by far the best phone Samsung ever made and easily beats their 2015 form over function phones.

since the price should drop soon you'd get a productivity beast for your hard earned money. If you want a more natural color reproduction set the display mode to basic

Reasons to buy it:

gorgeous screen

S Pen comes in handy more often than not

Removable battery

SD card slot

CPU doesn't throttle

highly customizable

outstanding battery life
[Galaxy Note 4 General] NamelessFragger:
The Note 4's a competent point-and-shoot; just don't expect the 8x digital zoom to turn out any good. The sensor's too small, and the lenses don't magnify enough. Makes me yearn for a Nokia 808 or 1020 sometimes for that subsampled PureView zoom, if not a proper full-frame mirrorless or DSLR.

All those photos you take will look really nice on that screen, too. Seriously, only the Note 5 can best the Note 4's screen, and not by much. There should be mirrorless cameras with screens that good so you don't miss the optical viewfinder in a SLR at all.

As for unlocked bootloaders, I think everything that isn't an A (AT&T) or V (Verizon) variant has an unlocked bootloader. Verizon developer editions exist, but aren't easy to find. Just make sure your variant of choice supports your carrier's bands and your preference for Snapdragon or Exynos.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] matase:
I think I am ready to buy a note 4. I need basic point and shoot features from a phone that's better my OPO. I also think I will like note 4 S pen.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] NaVaNzO:
Larger screen, beautiful display, removable battery, you can customize the sh** out of it and feel a new phone every day and the price as well.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] Minivan99:
Basically the costumizability and the raw power it provides. The new angle Samsung is trying to take, i..e emulating Apple, removing very useful features like SD and removable battery, locking down their system, trying to prevent rooting, denying insurance because of KNOX... it's all bad and they're losing support from fans and prospective buyers as well. Their profits have been plummeting constantly since 2 years.

I understand that sd is way slower than the NAND and Samsung's UFS2.0, and I know KNOX is for security purposes, but the SD should be an option for users and they should also NOT be using the KNOX counter to deny insurance and responsibility for things that are clearly not due to rooting. I'm hoping they do something about this for the Note 6 but I highly doubt it. Might be time to look into other phone manufacturers. Maybe the G5 will be as good as Samsung hardware. Who knows.

The camera is also lackluster in low light and the stock camera app leaves a lot to be desired. I mean it doesn't even have RAW support and their algorithms can be much better.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] kamuda82:
Why I'll keep my note 4

1. microSD support

2. Removable battery.

3. Beautiful screen

4.V. fast with custom rom in my case: Nameless 5.1 -masterpice

5. Screen off memo from notes now available in Note 4

6. No difference between Note 4 and Note 5 in case. Looks the same. No advantage of glass premium.

7. Few hundreds euro in my pocket.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] ciscostud:
Awesome video showing everything cool the Note 4 can do. Even I learned something new and I've owned the phone almost a year now lol.

https://youtu.be/2T1r0tDB9zY
[Galaxy Note 4 General] Keladeine:
Hello! I'm new so go easy on me.

I'm gonna stick it out with the Note 4 for a while. There doesn't seem to be many phones that have a long of a life in terms of being relevant, and I'm still a dreamer who hopes Samsung will revert their course. I love the SPen and there's nothing like it on any other phone. So my choices are limited to the Note 4 or 5. Im sticking with 4 for a bit.

1. SD card. The library edition.

It's amazing how fast pictures add up. And I love using FolderSync nightly to have a perfect replica of my music and photo libraries on my phone and an identical version on my computer, that is itself synced with OneDrive to my family's computers. Photos and music and files come in and are synced from many computers and many phones this way. With my big ol sd card my family and I are one massive cloud. :) I don't see any parent with cute kids be able to curb their photo taking.

2. SD card. The work edition.

With root I think it's essential to have this sd card. I want my necessary backups always available to me, and they can take up a lot of space! There's titanium backup and nandroids and mods and fixes. Then there's work! So many industries need you to have a gallery of files of some sort on hand all the time. Web designers and their elements, photographers and their pictures. I'm working on fifty videos for a project right now.

3. Removable battery.

I need my removable battery right now. I need it for an extended battery... Scratching this feature for a pretty glass back was stupid for the everyday user as well, not just for the techie. Netflix is often an emergency babysitter and I love not having that option to give the kids a video without worrying that it will make me need need to schedule in time next to plug.

3. 64 gb is it? My only reason to move right now is that 32 gb is just not enough internal space for me, even with apps and files and photos on the sd. Too much of each app stays on the internal. I just read that the apk size limit on the play store doubled. So more of an apk is going to get stuck on my internal over time. The Note 5 should have a 128 version.

So when the note 5 came out I went into mourning. Now that mourning is over, I put on the big girl panties and came right over here to xda, rooted my phone, and hunkered down to figure out how to get another two years out of this Note 4.

Next stop is how to live with the 32 internal gb. But with this phone I will have more options than any other phone. This phone can grow with me and my family.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] speedyjay:
I can give a reason not to buy Note 4....no Miui :(
[Galaxy Note 4 General] ianpan24:
+1
[Galaxy Note 4 General] anthony.moua95:
Ditto
[Galaxy Note 4 General] matase:
what does number 5 mean?
[Galaxy Note 4 General] ianpan24:
http://xdaforums.com/galaxy-note-3/themes-apps/app-screen-off-memo-t3196790
[Galaxy Note 4 General] ambervals6:
At $300 is a steal.

Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-N920A
[Galaxy Note 4 General] d12unk13astard:
When we get marshmallow update we will have all kinds of internal space since extra SD card will be formatted as internal. I'm rocking the 128gb SanDisk +32gb so at least 150gb internal gb will be available after the whole partition for android is setup. The note 4 will reign supreme for a long while!!
[Galaxy Note 4 General] tmac31:
i dont know whether android m allow installing apps to sd or not but if its youll have super laggy phone with that slow sd card.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] d12unk13astard:
That remains to be seen...
[Galaxy Note 4 General] Keladeine:
There's a lot of apps that I don't need everyday, but when i do need them, I NEED THEM. They dont get uninstalled because of their need level when I need them, even though they are not every day. These are main candidates to keep completely on the SD card, which, like, [MENTION=2813736]d12unk13astard[/MENTION], I also rock the 128. I need it to exist. And when choosing between existing slow and not existing at all, existing will be fine enough a choice for me.

Thank you for this hope, [MENTION=2813736]d12unk13astard[/MENTION]. Now I have learned rooting and learned basic custom recovery, I look forward to following everyones wisdom on flashing marshmallow when the time arises.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] tmac31:
well note 4 supports 90mb/sec cards most(its best i guess anyway) but your internal storage is way faster than that and nand speed is even more important than cpu speed for smooth running. yes we will see but i bet samsung will cut that feature and wont allow it.

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hope it helps you since im not a gamer i just cant fill 32 gb storage aswell. but i just doubt sd card speeds will be enough for apps.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] Keladeine:
link2sd and speed

Lol! I am not a gamer either, [MENTION=5226195]tmac31[/MENTION]!

Most of the apps that I would let live on the sd card are rarely used, but needed. For instance, my banking app. Usually that stuff happens on the computer, but when a card doesn't work IRL, I better check that app! Likewise, the IFTTT app is something usually managed on the laptop, but sometimes a recipe fails and I am out and about and need to fix it. There's also rarely used apps like compasses, (in navigation) or the like. They aren't used every day, and are for the most part only there when needed, not contributing to the majority of daily use. They don't need too much speed, and are often simple apps.

In your opinion, do you think there is any sd card that is capable of the speed needed? Also, if I may ask some advice, do you have any experience with the process of partitioning the sd card and using Link2sd? I was hoping to use this method as a fix for this rare occurrence of the Note 4 falling short for me.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] tmac31:
how do you fill internal storage without games?(i assume everything is on your sdcard instead of the apps)

well if you have a fast card simple apps can work without problem with slow loading times. i dont have a very fast card i use 50mb ish card samsung evo i havent tested on note 4 but i tested before on s3 it wasnt good but maybe faster card and better optimization by marshmallow can deliver better experience.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] Keladeine:
LOL! APPS, it seems. Apps that don't put a lot of emphasis of putting their stuff into an 'app data' category that can go to the SD card.

For one, Pocket (getpocket.com) which is a read-it-later service. While it SAYS it stores your to-be-read-later cache to the sd card, after deep digging with tech support, they confessed it is a 'known issue' that 'some samsung' devices are giving them trouble. So 2 gigs of articles are on the internal.

For two, photo editor apps. Both Aviary and PicsArt, the best of the photo editor apps, store their effects, filters, and other program related stuff on the internal. They advertise saving to the the sd card, but what they mean are the pictures themselves. The add-ons to the program have no choice to stay but on the internal. So if you do any designing, there's that mess.

Other than that, I have a lot of apps it seems. A lot less than i used to. I have 11 gb left at the moment. Samsung itself takes up about 8.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] d12unk13astard:
What I do right now on kitkat is used xposed to use modules like obb2sd and x internal2sdx to have all the app or game data files be recognized as if they were on internal storage but actually are on external SD card. You do need root for this to work ofc but since you are it shouldn't be a problem. Only the actual app is installed to internal saving tons of space!
[Galaxy Note 4 General] kolembo:
I got myself a 6 edge plus.

The feeling when you walk out of the store is that you've payed to much

Is very slippery. Great screen and looks good, and touchwiz is a lot better - but those edges really complicate the use of the phone.

My Note 4 is better.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] germanmann:
Because Note 5 is ****. Appart from the Software.

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[Galaxy Note 4 General] @home:
That's not a correct statement.

I have both the 4 & the 5 & the 5 is a very nice piece of equipment. It's better than the 4 in all depts bar the SD card.

I have a soft spot for my Note 4 & still use it now & again but the 5 is in a different league altogether.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] marvi0:
For me, the note 4,is till top cause of the memory card and removable battery. Also with custom roms getting better at porting note 5 features to note 4. I will stick with note 4 possibly till note 6.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] Phe-Nom82:
I'm late to own a note 4, but loving this phone so far. Thanks to this community I have it all tweaked out!
[Galaxy Note 4 General] POLO_i780:
Totally agree :)

In actual fact the Note 4 is better than about 99% of the flagships that came out this year, it doesn't heat up like the 810 based phones, it has MicroSD, IR Blaster, powerful GPU, one of the best Cameras around, great build quality and removable battery :)
[Galaxy Note 4 General] Souluo:
I also bought one a week ago. Once it gets camera 2 api, I will be fully content.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] kabuk1:
Truth.

I recently started a new job at a big red phone store(I'm sure you can guess which one) so I get to play with lots of different devices every day. I really think I'll be sticking with my note 4 for a long time because I have yet to encounter another device- save for maybe the LG v10- that even slightly makes me want to upgrade . I've sold a few note 5s in my time there so far, and while it's a good phone, it really does feel very basic compared to the 4. Great screen, great pen, pretty snappy, nice body, but... that's it. It doesn't feel like a swiss army knife powerhouse the way ours does. There's another thread in the T-mo N4 section with a bunch of people ripping on others for caring about things like removable batteries & SD slots, saying that "most people don't care about stuff like that". Uhhhh.... I can now say with 100% confidence that that's NOT true at all. Maybe some people buy a phone without caring about such features, but most people DO care. I have had lots of customers come in with cash in hand, ready to upgrade to a Note 5 or S6 without having done a whole lot of research on them, only to end up leaving with a different phone once I tell them that those models are sealed with no expansion. Once I say that, their faces fall and it's often an immediate, "Oh.... well I don't want it then, what else do you have?". I have even had old people pick something else due to the lack of those features. lol.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] NoteMaxx:
Wife's friend who works at Samsung can get the Note 5 at staff price for me.

Was so excited (getting it as a secondary phone to my Note 4 knowing no replaceable batt and no SD) till I found the only memory option

available locally is a jaw dropping 32GB. Now I'm having second thoughts, can't imagine after installing apps, how's my photo, video and music

going to fight for that pathetic bit of memory.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] kolembo:
I never did understand the reasoning behind 32gb. Coming from the Note 4, I was going to attempt a Note 5 if I could find 64gb. Could not. So got the edge plus.

It's a good phone but you know what? It's my Note 4 I keep reaching for.

Capable, serious and straightforward.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] SoRHunter:
While it's not perfect, you can get a USB flash drive and use it when needed to transfer your files.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] Gizmundo:
Are you still using modules obb2sd and x internal2sdx with Lolipop? Are they working on 5.1.1.?