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[Galaxy Note 4 General] knarfies:
I have to agree that i wanted water resistance. Samsungs reasoning behind not doing so was because the device was geared towards business professionals and not the everyday common user. Sounds like a shift in where they prioritized their features to be honest given a set dollar amount per device. The going fro 3.0 to 2.0 usb charging was due to the USB 3.0 not widely being used according to their data. Not only that but im sure the 2.0 supports the fast charging feature whereas the 3.0 might not be supported. This is my own speculation of course. Honestly, with fast charging and ultra power saving mode, i dont see a need for a bigger battery. my note 3 has plenty of battery and outlasts my friends iphones. I understand that people are expecting huge changes when buying a device. maybe im a little tainted since it doesn't cost me anything to upgrade with tmobile's jump program but im definitely getting the note 4. every piece of hardware was touch on this device and well, imo its a world of a difference compared to my note 3.

from what i gathered, 128gb sd cards do work on newer phones even though specs say up to 64gb. wireless charging should be assumed as yes since i dont see them offering it on the note 3 and not the note 4.

just my 2 cents
[Galaxy Note 4 General] cinnaC2C:
But will band 12 be available Nationwide on T-Mobile or just in a hand full of states?
[Galaxy Note 4 General] oilfighter:
I wish they would have kept the screen resolution the same. It's good enough in the Note 3 already. No need to waste battery on qHD.

The back firing speaker is actually good for me. I keep on covering the Note 3's speaker in landscape mode. I also remember the S4's rear speakers being louder than the Note 3's bottom firing speaker.

I am really glad that they didn't go with waterproof. I hated the stupid flap on the S5. It gets in the way when ever you want to charge, and broke pretty soon. Only way I'll be ok with the waterproofing is if they made wireless charging standard, or better yet, go flap-less and make the USB port waterproof.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] Native7i:
Note 4 impressions before hands on

I'm really like the update over Note 3.

Just like others I expected water proof/resistant feature. And it make phone thicker as they needed to cover s-pen holder completely. Don't expect such in Note line for few more generations.

No problem about about performance on 805/5433 as LG G3 driving QHD with 801. So 805/420 run the display with no hassle. I guess.

64bit? Quite a deal as everyone rush to it.

USB 2.0? Little bit a problem. It comes just because Note 3 having v3.0.

2 things made me down;

Notification light. I really needed OPPO 7 like notification light that long curvy and colored.

Home button. I needed on screen/capasitive buttons as switching between touch & press makes me scream sometimes. I used Infuse 4G that had capacitive buttons. It's really really nice and much better than on screen buttons. Home button have finger print sensor and I'll give it a barely a pass.

Overall it's good update for anyone except people who own Note 3. They can wait till next fall.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] laztpn0i:
Anybody know anything about the audio chip this thing will be packing?
[Galaxy Note 4 General] ac3theone:
Yup pretty much smh
[Galaxy Note 4 General] windstrings:
Water resistant S5 came out AFTER the first, but wonder if they're planning that trick

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Also would like hdmi out to play movies without wifi assistance... Guess not
[Galaxy Note 4 General] Archiimonde:
I'm very curious about this as well.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] tiguy99:
Do you know if this screen is pentile matrix or RGB?
[Galaxy Note 4 General] Archiimonde:
Most likely pentile
[Galaxy Note 4 General] Lodix:
It is pentile, but you shouldn't worry about this at 500ppi.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] sahil_arora05:
This is what Samsung always does man!!! Same screen same design and just a slight overhaul :D

I was also expecting a 4 GB RAM as well waterproof body but nothing is there!! Just reading Note 5 I googled its specs and found http://thegalaxynote5.com/ on 1st position. I have to mentioned the blog has got interesting speculated specifications :D Hope Samsung brings something like that. :good::D :good:
[Galaxy Note 4 General] borijess:
I.will upgrade to that until then I will enjoy my note 4

Sent from the TermiNOTEr 2! ?
[Galaxy Note 4 General] @home:
6 " is way too big. Getting silly. 5.7 is more than enough for a phablet.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] force70:
6" is perfect as long as the bezels are small, the nexus 6 is not alot bigger than the note really. I could see it being too big if your a female or just a really small man i guess.

sent from Canada via my Note 3, Note 2 or One X+
[Galaxy Note 4 General] @home:
If you say so. I don't think so.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] hello00:
at least it is better than the nexus 6
[Galaxy Note 4 General] sahil_arora05:
Amazing!! Enjoy it to the deepest!
[Galaxy Note 4 General] eddhard:
I fear to comment on the last few posts but discussion on size is always subjective. Just ask my wife.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] sahil_arora05:
I don't think so that 6" is too big!! If you say so then you will contradict the latest release Nexus 6 also? Though its categorzied as a smartphone but its size says its a phablet now :D
[Galaxy Note 4 General] yellowman82:
Go to the store and hold the LG G Flex, after holding it for a few you will notice it's not that big (no homo). It doesn't take that long to get adjusted to a 6 inch phone at all again (no homo) but seeing the specs on the nexus 6 I'm torn between that and note 4 now. I've never owned a nexus phone due to because it was trash especially with specs and camera only good thing was quick updates but that alone wasn't enough to make me purchase one but that's just my opinion but i'm really torn now don't know if i should get the note 4 or wait for this nexus 6.
[Galaxy Note 4 General] Bruce lee roy:
2 favorite phones of all time: nexus s and note 2... life as a shorty shouldn't be so tough!
[LG G Watch R] ForumNinja:
Hey all:)

Lets take another look at the LG G Watch R, this time put it up against the Moto 360. Its still unsure on exactly which processor will be used in the Moto 360. There are rumors of it touting a Texas instruments chipset, but with that company bowing out of the market some time ago, the suggestion it may well run the same Snapdragon 400 chipset as the G watch R may well be true. For the purpose of this comparison, we will go with the Snapdragon 400, i will update when further info comes in:good: With both devices taking the same circular approach and similar hardware, the decision may not be so easy.​

Display Size:​

[IMG="LG G Watch R Vs Moto 360"]http://xdaforums.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=2923043&stc=1&d=1409749516[/IMG]

Just looking at the display size, the Moto 360 has the edge, with its 1.5" over the LG's 1.3"​

Display ppi:​

The LG has a superior resolution and a slightly smaller screen size resulting in a considerably higher ppi of ~277 PPI, over the Moto 360's ~205 pixel per inch ratio. How these numbers translate to use on a device worn on the wrist is yet to be seen, but clear winner is the LG.​

Display Type:​

The LG has a P-OLED display and Motorola sticking with the more traditional LCD technology. The P-OLED will result in the devices screen being far easier to read under direct sunlight, it also gives better contrast and color depth than the LCD. Winner, LG G Watch R.​

Processor, RAM:​

With both devices (possibly) packing the same chipset along with 512MB of RAM, this one is a draw.​

Heart Rate Monitor:​

Both devices feature a heart rate monitor, great for those of us who are active.​

Water/Dust Resistance:​

Both devices feature full IP67 certification. No worrying about your device while washing hands etc:victory:​

With both devices being so close in terms of hardware, at this point its down to preference over design. The screen technology used could be the killer feature, as reading the screen in sunlight for me is a must for any smartwatch. Looking forward to hearing members thoughts on these two devices:good:​

I will update this post as we get more info in:good:​
[LG G Watch R] highaltitude:
Nice comparison, great work! Now I can't wait to get my hands on them!
[LG G Watch R] dansou901:
Am definitely aiming for the lg g watch r, not only because of the P-OLED display but also because the full area of the display is used (Motorola couldn't do that because of the ports)
[LG G Watch R] hotleadsingerguy:
Because of the what? lol there are no "ports".

They did it because the display technology is in that spot. LG got around it by putting the display tech in the bezel (like most TVs and phones do).
[LG G Watch R] dansou901:
Yeah, was searching for the right word :P

Good to see more people here in this new forum...
[LG G Watch R] Hupsaflups:
No GPS in the LG?

And both heart rate monitors are practically unusable during e.g. running etc.
[LG G Watch R] RunNgun42:
The moto doesnt have a GPS either, they just use the GPS in your phone via bluetooth.

As much as I love the 360, and as much as I keep trying to ignore the black bar, I just cant. Every single time I finish surfing through a dozen 360 pix I look at one pic of the R and immediately fall in love. They say the measurement of beauty is symmetry, and that stupid lower bezel completely disrupts the symmetry of the device. While all LG may have done is camouflaged it, I think their decision is still best.
[LG G Watch R] Darnell_Chat_TN:
A good start. Please add to the comparison:

- Battery life

- storage size

- Full 360 display

- Ease to root and ease to unlock the bootloader

- weight

- light sensor

- number of speakers

I know some details may not yet be available.

I would have purchased a 360 yesterday if not for it's terrible battery life. Which is worse than the pre-release review stated.

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=2806528

From a 360 battery life thread:

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[LG G Watch R] RunNgun42:
1% per minute is obviously retarded, that would mean the watch is dead in less than 2 hours. These idiots need to quit averaging out usage since the battery drain is dynamic. CPU's throttle performance up/down on demand. If I drive around the city with the pedal to the metal my car will get 4mpg, does that mean I can therefore only drive 60 miles on a tank of gas?
[LG G Watch R] Darnell_Chat_TN:
Read more reviews. The Moto 360 battery life is bad.

http://www.theverge.com/2014/7/15/5903241/i-saw-a-moto-360-this-morning

http://online.wsj.com/articles/moto-360-review-one-size-doesnt-fit-all-1409896802

http://bgr.com/2014/09/05/moto-360-battery-life/

It has a smaller battery than the LG G Watch R.
[LG G Watch R] RunNgun42:
And those same 3 sites are the biggest offenders pushing out this battery life garbage. The Verge and WSJ started this nonsense. I'll read the reviews of REAL people who are actually using it in REAL WORLD conditions, of which most are saying the battery life is either acceptable or better than expected.

http://xdaforums.com/moto-360/general/battery-life-discussion-t2806528/post55275122#post55275122

all the evidence you need
[LG G Watch R] Darnell_Chat_TN:
I've read through plenty of posts in that thread and can't agree with your blanket assessment. Especially given usage is key and I know what I need. It's your money and I'm happy with any decision you make with it. I'll take the near 30% larger battery and true 360 display, in a slightly smaller watch face.

Some other things to include in the comparison OP, port type and sensors.
[LG G Watch R] RunNgun42:
I'm just saying the verge/WSJ reviews are patently false. There is no reasonable condition in which the watch will ever get less than 12 hours of life without intentionally going out of your way to drain it to death, and as a result they have started this **** storm of paranoia about battery life. Every youtube comment now talks about poor battery life because they saw someone else talking about poor battery life who got it from a forum post on another site that all invariably end up leading back to those 2 damn articles that came out at the same time. The problem is the verge/wsj have such high production value that people took their reviews as the gospel, thinking there's no way such a professional organization could completely botch a review for a product so badly.

When you watch these reviewers attempt to nagivate android wear it's clear they have no idea how the tile system or notification mirroring works. They had no business even touching these devices. It'll take weeks of homebrew review videos to surface online correcting their egregious errors before peoples faith in the device returns to normal.
[LG G Watch R] Darnell_Chat_TN:
More than 2, and they can't all be lying when it comes to the Moto 360 having battery life issues. It's too consistent a complaint and in forum threads there are complaints from the early adopters too. Yet more independent reviews, which again cite battery life issues:

http://mashable.com/2014/09/06/motorola-moto-360-review/

http://www.cnet.com/products/motorola-moto-360/

Motorola says 1 day of use. While the LG G Watch R with almost 30% more battery and a smaller screen is claimed to reach 1 - 2 days of use by LG. For some of us, due to our level of use. We never see the claimed battery life for any device and must consider a fraction of what is claimed. And for me, it's repeatedly confirmed.

It's very user dependent, but obvious I need to stir clear of the Moto 360 and consider the LG G Watch R. For those with less a need, I'm sure they'll enjoy the Moto 360.
[LG G Watch R] Darnell_Chat_TN:
Here's an article that also does a "vs" comparison in similar fashion. It just covers a some more areas.

And this review of the Moto 360 does a true apples to apples test of its battery life, versus other available Android Wear devices, see page 2. The LG G Watch R is not included, since not yet available.
[LG G Watch R] 2k4ever:
thanks for posting the link to the arstechnica article, just wanted to post that one myself

in addition, some more about the limited SoC of the Moto 360:

https://plus.google.com/+RonAmadeo/posts/C3rdRdEme9o

combining the 4 (!) year old SoC with a pretty small battery, why should it be hard to imagine that the battery would hold up all that good?

I was really hyped to get the Moto 360, but not anymore :(

still think it looks better than the LG G Watch R, but it won't hold up to my expectations, especially because i really want the ambient mode / screen always on (which btw looks great on the R: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QFO5tCkI__w&feature=player_detailpage#t=134)
[LG G Watch R] Darnell_Chat_TN:
And related: https://plus.google.com/+ArtemRussakovskii/posts/STQoPCSmE5w

Yea, the truth sure is coming out for the Moto 360. And the truth is not looking good.
[LG G Watch R] 2k4ever:
one more truth about the Moto 360: contrary to official communication, it doesn't seem to have a 320mAh battery but the battery is actually only 300mAh ???
[LG G Watch R] Darnell_Chat_TN:
Whatever it is, it can't hang with any other Android Wear Smart Watch. But the battery size has become a point of debate. Moto has released their excuse explanation. But some claim it's even less than 300mAh.
[LG G Watch R] slaydog:
I have one sitting on my wrist right now, and I can tell you the battery life is pretty bad...
[LG G Watch R] fer2503:
LG g watch r? Can you post any photo with the watch faces? :D

The screen is too small to use?
[LG G Watch R] slaydog:
Sorry for the confusion, I have a Moto 360...
[LG G Watch R] fer2503:
No problem :)...what do you think about it? Some impression about screen quality, battery life and performance
[LG G Watch R] Rayan:
Interesting post!

However I have a question in regards of the display of the LGGWR:

P-OLED: Despite the inherent energy savings by using OLED technology, there are one major downside that nobody mentions. First since it's OLED based, it is very prone to degradation due to UV light, and since it's a wearable device, it will be receiving tons of UV light from the sun and office fluorescent light. Also P-OLED particularly, does not stand very well in longevity.

(source: http://www.oled-info.com/p-oled)

Screen Resolution: According to these photos, despite the fact that the LGGWR has more PPIs it clearly doesn't display images as good as the Moto360. As you can see from the following shots of the same screen, clearly the Moto360 renders images much better. Look at the woman's face on the Moto360, her mouth is visible where on the Round not even her nose tip is shown!. Also the white text area does not render the same.

I really hope the Round was using an earlier AW version than the Moto360. However the P-OLED technology really makes me wonder if it was a good screen choice.

Cheers!
[LG G Watch R] fer2503:
So do you think that the display of moto 360 is better than the one of g watch r?
[LG G Watch R] Rayan:
Interesting question, however since I haven't really seen a Round screen in person, I can't say for sure which one is better. But judging from the P-OLED on the LG G Flex, we can say that it didn't do too good (source). I know everything in tech evolves and improves very quickly, so I hope LG uses improved P-OLEDS. On the other hand IPS screens have been pretty successful and offer great image quality both indoors and out.

IPS screens like the one on the 360 while power hungry due to the backlight are much better in terms of lifespans, screen quality and don't suffer from burn-in and UV degradation, but I agree that they're not suitable for smartwatch use.

Perhaps a better, unexploited technology like Qualcomm's Mirasol Screen Techology is better suited for this purpose, unfortunately not many have tried it except the Qualcomm Toq Smartwatch which is a shame, since it requires very low power (like e-paper or e-ink technology), color, great viewing indoors and outdoors, and don't degrade like OLEDs.

But in conclusion, I think that if rumors are correct that the Round will be priced on the higher-end of the price spectrum ($300+), it should at least use a longer lasting screen technology than the so-far mediocre P-OLED screens.

Cheers!
[LG G Watch R] fer2503:
So at this moment the g watch r is a bad choise. On the other hand in my opinion the omap 3 and small battery make the moto 360 a low life product,
[LG G Watch R] Rayan:
True about the Moto360, however I think that if you invest on a spare charger, you can more or less overcome the battery problem, let's just hope future AW improvements on the Moto360 could bring both, battery and CPU optimizations.

But as I said, I hope LG uses an improved P-OLED screen than the one they used on the Flex.

Let's also not forget about the annoying (at least for me) black bar at the bottom of the screen of the Moto360. That's almost a dealbreaker for me.

Maybe if the Round would end up costing $249 at the most, then I wouldn't mind the P-OLED at all.
[LG G Watch R] fer2503:
motorola doesn't have usb port so any spare charger. I hope that lg do a good work with watch R, but the design isn't too good, it appear like a cheap watch
[LG G Watch R] Rayan:
Not having a usb port can't stop you from buying an extra Qi wireless charger stand. Actually any wireless charger will do just fine.

People who have actually seen it and wore it (@IFA Berlin) say the Round is very high quality and very good looking. I would have preferred it to be white metal instead though.
[LG G Watch R] fer2503:
spare charger can increase battery life, but moto 360 need also a spare processor :laugh:
[LG G Watch R] Rayan:
It's more like "Moto360 needs a different processor altogether" LOL .... I guess we'll never know for sure why Motorola decided to use such an old, inefficient and power-hungry CPU on the Moto360.

Cheers!
[LG G Watch R] fer2503:
Also i don't like the 1,3" screen of g watch r. I think that was better a 1,4 inch display or maybe 1,5".i hope that it isn't too small to watch the notify text or other text
[LG G Watch R] Rayan:
I agree, however a plus of a smaller 320x320 screen is pixel density which results display better defined picture and fonts.

I think I've concluded that even though the Round's release is near, I will get a Moto360 and sell it or return it after if I like the Round better.

Now I'm torn between the black or metal one. However some say that scratches on the black version reveal the metal beneath, so that's a thing to consider too.
[LG G Watch R] fer2503:
You can return a product? O.o
[LG G Watch R] Rayan:
I agree, however a plus of a smaller 320x320 screen is pixel density which results on a display better defined picture and fonts.

I think I've concluded that even though the Round's release is near, I will get a Moto360 and sell it or return it after if I like the Round better.

Now I'm torn between the black or metal one. However some say that scratches on the black version reveal the metal beneath, so that's a thing to consider too.
[LG G Watch R] Rayan:
I agree, however a plus of a smaller 320x320 screen is pixel density which displays a better defined picture and fonts. Single pixels less visible.

I think I've concluded that even though the Round's release is near, I will get a Moto360 and sell it or return it after if I like the Round better.

Now I'm torn between the black or metal one. However some say that scratches on the black version reveal the metal beneath, so that's a thing to consider too.
[LG G Watch R] slaydog:
Sorry, I didn't see your post. I have returned the 360 - it's just not ready for prime time yet. And neither is Android Wear for that matter.

I will give the LGGWR a shot, though. I know that Android Wear will get better in the future...

It is going to be released in a silver metal version too, but it won't be available on release day from what I have read...
[LG G Watch R] fer2503:
Lg doesn't say anithing about release date and price. No presto order is possible
[LG G Watch R] Fmstrat:
First post needs to be updated. The processor win goes to the G Watch R, as it will leverage a Snapdragon processor just like most other watches, while the Moto 360 went to the scrapheap for a 2 year old power hungry processor.

Also, I would update the P-OLED review to add on that the G Watch R will likely support ambient mode more effectively, as the OLED tech allows only pixels that are not black to be powered (significantly). The Moto 360 can't last the day in ambient mode, but the G Watch R should have no problems.

Thanks.
[LG G Watch R] Rayan:
Well, despite the fact that I'm looking forward on getting a Round, I'm aware that oled based screens while less power demanding, have not proven that successful in that regard.

Take the Samsung Gear Live (or other Gears) as example. Compared to the G Watch, the Live underperformed in power consumption. I know that the G Watch has a larger battery, but still it should have been at least equally good.

Also, let's not forget that OLED based screens are prone to degradation from normal use and even solar UV radiation, which is a no no for a Wearable device.

Well see how it goes.
[LG G Watch R] Fmstrat:
Since it's hard to test this given different devices with different screens, I get your point, but OLED overall has been proven to conserve battery life. I don't have the link handy but there was a real world study conducted on the mA draws from different phone screens, and then calculations done off power savings using an estimation of around 40% of battery going to screen. It was a pretty big difference (~20%) if I remember right, which can mean quite a bit for a smartwatch.

Unfortunately the only good "smartwatch" test we have is from Arstechnica: http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2014/09/moto-360-review-beautiful-outside-ugly-inside/2/

While repeatable, given the heavy use cycle it's not really representative of daily use in ambient mode. The OLED on the Gear Live is brighter, thus using more power when full-on in that test scenario.

I share the degradation concern, big time. Though I'm more worried about how many burn in issues are going to exist with these OLED panels. That being said, posts have been popping up about burn-in with the 360, too, so who knows.

Ben