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[Moto X General] rhouse1983:
How much is really that much better than original?

Here's my thoughts:

I just got the moto x about a month ago (developer edition) after having the droid maxx and to me there's nothing on the new x that makes me want to drop the old one. I mean yeah some new features but they seem minimal to me. Especially since they will put the new features on the old x if the hardware permits (it probably will for about 6 months then they'll have newer features for the new x only). Is there really any point if you already have the original x to upgrade to the new one? Again it looks like a nice device but I don't see enough difference to make me want to jump right away. I think staying on the old one for another year would honestly be just fine. Think about it: how much on the new one is really a must have?

BTW this isn't a complaint about the new one. It seems like it would be an awesome phone to have.
[Moto X General] T-Keith:
What are you reading? Look at the freaking picture that thing is huge! Just because it's smaller than the S5 or one m8 does not make it OK. The current moto x is barely usable with one hand, the new one is not, that's all. If I want a phone that I need two hands for give me a 6" phone.
[Moto X General] MaKTaiL:
You must have reeeeally small hands....
[Moto X General] knitler:
I just put my X against my N5 and the new X looks to be just a TINY bit bigger than my N5.

http://cl.ly/image/3F2Y0N0B062F
[Moto X General] jangofei:
No wireless charging. It is a little pity. Can't use wireless charging dock like this Ultimus Qi: The Ultimate Wireless Charging Dock on Kickstarter.

http://goo.gl/6YrHYT
[Moto X General] bugsy:
The leaked specs for the iPhone, if accurate, have it at close to the same size in height and width, but thinner. I wish they would have gone no bigger than a 5" screen, but it's still smaller than the HTC One M8, at least from a height perspective.
[Moto X General] km8j:
Where did you get the new X? I thought not sold for few weeks?
[Moto X General] knitler:
Please reread my post
[Moto X General] km8j:
Yea it kind of reads like you have a new one but I guess I see you don't. So does anyone know release information? Highly inconsistent all over internet
[Moto X General] Topsnake:
Agreed, without looking at the pic, it implies you are talking about the new one. Since that is the topic
[Moto X General] Wutang200:
Not that it bothers me much but the new X doesn't even have OIS which is now beginning to become standard in high end phones!!

I think the X will have a very simiilar size to the S5.
[Moto X General] Jason.DROID:
The loss of a true 16:9 camera sensor is a bummer, but it was panned so badly that OmniVision no longer offers it to manufacturers. The new X has a 4:3 sensor that crops for 16:9. 13MP is only in 4:3 mode. 16:9 is under 10MP.

The XT1092 (unlocked GSM/CDMA) is on my radar because it supports the same bands as the Nexus 5 plus a few more for future-proofing, including T-Mobile's band 12 LTE, which AT&T also plans to use alongside band 17.

So, Shamu will almost certainly have the same bands and be unlocked for T-Mobile, AT&T, and Sprint.

Also, for every 1 person complaining about the increased size, there will be millions wanting the bigger size. We're badly outnumbered, and are a niche market. Motorola has to play the game to make money, and the current market trend is in bigger phones. That's also why Apple is going to increase the size of the iPhone as well.

They went the software route to take multiple shots when blurring, subject movement, or closed eyes are detected.
[Moto X General] Jamolah:
The new motox should have had

1. 5" screen

2. 2800mah battery

3. Qi wireless charging

I don't know why they didn't go this route. I know that market research showed that 75% of people wanted a bigger phone but I think 5" is the perfect balance especially with the thin bezels of the motox phones.
[Moto X General] Wutang200:
I think I'll hold out for proper reviews before I make any decisions about the new X.

The battery capacity seems tiny for the enormous screen size and multiple sensors. Motorolas are normally pretty good with battery life and I'm sure this one will be no different, it's just 2300mah seems a little on the low side.

Wireless charging would have been nice but I'm not that fussed about it. Especially as Motorola have announced a turbo charger that can charge the phone to 50% in 15 mins.

I also believe they should have gone with a 5" display, it seems like a well balanced size in between phones and phablets.
[Moto X General] km8j:
When is this thing available!
[Moto X General] Topsnake:
Ever since moto unveiled it i was this guy
[Moto X General] c19932:
It's a shame that moto decided to go this route. I guess moto never planned to have a line of premium small phones. The moto x was just their gateway to get new customers for this new gigantic phone to compete with the big boys. If this phone was 5 in I woulda been more than happy. Oh well, I guess I will try the Galaxy alpha.
[Moto X General] Topsnake:
Can't blame them. That's the industry standard. I welcome the bigger screen.
[Moto X General] vikramkhalsa:
Theres not really anything we can do at the end of the day, Motorola did whatever they thought was good for them/profitable/what most people possibly wanted.. But that doesn't dispel the fact that a lot of people are disappointed.. its just too bad for us.

It probably doesnt feel big in the hand at all compared to most other android phones that their used to reviewing and holding because they're all huge! So I'm sure it feels nice in comparison and relative to the screen size i'm sure they did a good job keeping the edges thin.

However the fact that the screen is 5.2 inches means that it will be harder to reach the edges/corners of the screen, especially with one hand. Regardless of how ergonomic it is, you can't get around that. The reason I came from the N4 to the moto x was that even though the screens were pretty much the same size, the shape and bezels of the moto x made it easier to use with one hand and reach the corners. May not be a big deal to everyone but it will make a difference to some of us.

I wish they made a smaller jump, like 5 in.. being taller and wider means you'll have to stretch a little more to reach different spots. But you're right, perhaps when we actually try it, it won't seem like that much of a difference.. that is definitely possible.
[Moto X General] Verttex:
According to some leaks, it might be available on AT&T on September 17th.
[Moto X General] km8j:
Any idea when available on moto website?
[Moto X General] buschris:
fug at&t... lousy service and lousy customer service.

wow, looking at that pic, if you can't handle the slight increase in size, you don't have to buy it.

Like Pippin in LOTR says... I'm getting one!
[Moto X General] eksasol:
I hope you don't regret the Touchwiz, Knox security, and slow updates.

I would at least look at the Z3 Compact before the Alpha.
[Moto X General] Restola:
Isn't Sony also skinned and very slow on updates?
[Moto X General] rupterr:
Sony has a much lighter skin than Samsung. Updates are very slow....
[Moto X General] LastSilmaril:
Will be sticking with the OG Moto X. Unfortunate given its shortcomings but I don't want to move to Sony but also won't buy another Moto without an SD slot. Maybe the next iteration of the G will make the cut. Let's see.
[Moto X General] vikramkhalsa:
I'm thinking the same thing..
[Moto X General] km8j:
There are rumors it will be available on moto site the 10th
[Moto X General] Jason.DROID:
I find it interesting that they put much less emphasis on their Mobile Computing System this time around. Pretty sure it still has the contextual DSP which acts as a sensor hub and offloads all sensor data which is normally handled by the SoC. What I'm not clear about is the voice DSP. Did they use an upgraded Texas Instruments DSP or just use the integrated Qualcomm one? I mean, the original X's MSM8960Pro has a DSP capable of handling voice as well, but it probably wasn't as good as TI's.

So, quad-core S801/Adreno 330 @ 578MHz, PLUS a contextual DSP for all sensors (and Moto Display) and maybe another voice DSP. Considering the time invested in the Texas Instruments parts (programming), I'd be willing to bet that they just upgraded them to newer, more accurate, and more efficient units.
[Moto X General] Verttex:
edit: whoops I was wrong.
[Moto X General] Wutang200:
These are some of the reasons I wouldn't ever consider a Samsung phone. Also the Alpha 2 would most likely be released 6 months down the line lol and the Alpha 1 would be completely forgotten about by Samsung.
[Moto X General] Verttex:
The Verge just released their review of the new Moto X. They gave it an 8.8 and called it the best Android smartphone they'd ever used even with the smallish battery and an okay camera.

Thoughts?
[Moto X General] sivarticus85:
I just finished reading it as well... The photos to me looked great. Colors looked balanced and that one low-light shot didn't look too grainy. Despite a smaller battery he still got a full day's use before having to recharge. I still plan on getting one.
[Moto X General] biggiestuff:
Let's not forget this phone starts at 99 with 2 year contract. I know most people want a low off contract price but it does start off 100 less than most of the other flagship phones. I think that price will be a big factor for most people signing up a new contract.
[Moto X General] Verttex:
It's also $499 off contract.
[Moto X General] biggiestuff:
yeah, that's what i meant when i said 100 off. I didn't clarify. Thanks for clearing that up. That should be attractive to some. What's the verdict so far on the battery? I'm reading mostly average and about the same as the current moto X.
[Moto X General] chaoslimits:
No developer edition on Verizon means Moto X 2014 is a non-starter for me. Other than that it looks like a huge success, design-wise, on Moto's part. :crying:
[Moto X General] Topsnake:
With no Dev edition, its cheaper to buy it @$99 on a new line, cancel the line, then pay the fee. Comes out to 450 instead of 499. This is for us unlimited users.
[Moto X General] Wutang200:
I hate to say this but the phone really is growing on me! It just looks sleek and from the reviewers handling it, it feels solid. Not to mention a better Touchless experience as it now as 4 mics.

One thing I've always loved about my current Moto X is the call quality and active noise cancellation. This was one of the reasons that made me get rid of my Nexus 5 and I've not ever looked back.

Just waiting to see what Apple releases today.
[Moto X General] Topsnake:
More "innovations" to already available android features.
[Moto X General] Wutang200:
Not really bothered about their innovation but more about how the bigger iPhone looks like.

It's got to be smaller than the new X.
[Moto X General] devilsdouble:
Not impressed. Especially for the camera, the samples look same to me like taken from original X, maybe a tiny bit better, but it's awful that the focusing metre is still ****ed up! The photos are still inconsistent. Colour looks good though.

This doesn't affect my opinion about it though, camera was never really an important factor to me as long as it was passable. But it hurts to see what Moto has done to make the same Sony sensor to look that average than an S4 which uses the same sensor!

Also verge just said a big, better display, where are the details? I am sure it's still a Samsung made one, but which generation?

The review is too early. Impulsive review and rating IMHO.

Still if there is no S5 GPE then I will get this one. Yeah, ****ed up size, but I will just have to get used to it.
[Moto X General] km8j:
When can we buy it!!!! ¡!
[Moto X General] Wutang200:
Damn I'm in love with the iPhone 6!!! The size is perfection. Just wish it came with Touchless Control and Active Display.

Wish there was a way of getting the Moto software installed onto it instead of iOS.

I'm too heavily invested into Android to switch to iOS :(
[Moto X General] aviwdoowks:
If this is accurate, it is sad in regard to screen brightness.

http://www.phonearena.com/phones/benchmarks
[Moto X General] Soldier 2.0:
I'm switching to iPhone 6. I will keep my Android tablet though.
[Moto X General] Note10.1Dude:
Nothing in the 6 or their silly watch to interest me. I expected a bit better for the new X (micro SD and Qi ) but it is good enough that if I can get a no-carrier one (will use on T-mobile) in the next month then I will. Otherwise probably the M8 GPE

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Verge review said brighter than 2013 model so In not sue I believe that measurement.
[Moto X General] DonKilluminati23:
Overall I like the phone, it looks exactly like a phone should look in my opinion. I would prefer a 5" display but it's close enough, I have large hands and I understand that I'm in the minority in not wanting a mini-tablet with me at all times.

I love Motorola's build quality, the OG X wasn't quite the best but it was still superior to Samsung. Fast updates and Moto's software are always nice as well.

Having said that, I won't be buying this phone. Battery life and an unlockable bootloader are two very important things to me. I don't see battery life being all that great on this year's edition, the absolute best we can hope for is it ends up being the same as the OG, and I have my doubts it will be that good. Even if somehow I could wind up unlocking the bootloader, development will be nonexistent.

Assuming the Nexus X will have a 5.9" display and probably not available on Verizon, I'll stick with the OG X for a while.
[Moto X General] km8j:
Does not having an unlocked boot loader prevent you from rooting on the X?
[Moto X General] nhizzat:
Been saving an upgrade on VZW for the new Moto X but now I have to wait until devs get their hands on them. After having Xposed and GravityBox on my current Moto X and Nexus 7 2013, it's a necessity on every future Android device of mine. I used to care for the SD card slot and removable battery, and then I bought a Sandisk Dual USB-OTG stick and portable battery charger. Beats having to power the device off to switch batteries or get access to the SD card (if it's not easily accessible).

An unlocked bootloader would be nice but I was extremely happy with just root (even without setting write protection off permanently) on my Moto X. I didn't need to unlock the bootloader but the Middle Man had my unlock code and it was only $45. Well worth the money even if developers drop support once Motorola does.
[Moto X General] jcleary:
This phone looks great, bring on the Moto Maker in Europe!
[Moto X General] Verttex:
Phonearena just released their Moto X battery statistics and they don't think it looks good.

What do you guys think?
[Moto X General] nhizzat:
Hope wish and pray for a developer edition Droid Maxx 2014?
[Moto X General] jonnythan:
I'd be ecstatic if my 2013 Moto X had ever gotten 5 hours of screen on time.
[Moto X General] aviwdoowks:
Yes for those on 444 already.
[Moto X General] Topsnake:
Not likely
[Moto X General] rupterr:
They say it's good. As long as it's lasts 24 hours for a typical person's cell phone use I'm fine with it.
[Moto X General] AndreaCristiano:
http://www.engadget.com/2014/09/11/moto-x-review-2014/

Here you go read this! Screw phone arena
[Moto X General] Talguy:
Does anyone think we'll get the updated active display software shown on the 2014 moto X on the original Moto X? I loved that I can view every notification with that software update.
[Moto X General] BrokenWall:
Motorola has already stated that if you buy direct from MotoMaker then you will get unlockable boot loader. Just don't buy your phone from VZW or AT&T.
[Moto X General] AndreaCristiano:
I think phonearena has an unrealistic battery test. Just like the epa test with mpg. Doesn't reflect real world use
[Moto X General] DonKilluminati23:
Correct me if I'm wrong, but that is for the GSM version only. I'm on Verizon.
[Moto X General] Gundabolu SC:
I personally feel Motorola is preparing for Android L! As it is supposed to bring some excellent battery management improvements... So we might not need a huuuge battery after all? O.o
[Moto X General] AndreaCristiano:
It will definitely improve and being that they're making the nexus I'm sure they have an idea of by how much already
[Moto X General] biggiestuff:
While the numbers are important, i usually put more weight on how the results are vs other flagship phones that they've tested. I didn't expect the new moto x to be like the s5, z3, or hTC one but the fact that it's close to the lg g3 is promising.
[Moto X General] AndreaCristiano:
Exactly. I mean who the heck plays video for hours and hours straight? Do you live in your grandmas basement
[Moto X General] bendirkss:
Is there specs on the sizes of both phones? I was really hoping Motorola didn't increase the size much, the moto x is a perfect sized device.
[Moto X General] Wutang200:
Well according to battery tests done on a Nexus 5 running Android L Preview, battery performance got an increase of 36% which is a huge amount considering the hardware was the same as before.

Hopefully the final version of Android L makes the O/S even more battery efficient. I can see the new Moto X hugely benefiting from Android L in the battery department. Especially once Motorola tweaks their apps to fully utilise the new runtime and battery saving features of Android L.
[Moto X General] nhizzat:
Source?

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www.google.com
[Moto X General] bendirkss:
Found it right away, thanks! Can I get a link as to where you found that site?
[Moto X General] Note10.1Dude:
At this point my only question is when can I buy a pure edition on Moto Maker? I'm ready to part with cash. Developer Edition (customized) would be an even better option. And please keep the 64 GB option from the current X.
[Moto X General] Rattles:
looks like pre order will start on Tuesday. Pure Edition will go for $499 which is quite a bit more than i thought it would to be honest. oh well, i am sure that it will be $350 in a month ;)
[Moto X General] Note10.1Dude:
Yes, I am ready to order. still a better deal than a Samsung S5. I think I may hold out for Oct. If the rumored Nexus X happens at 5.2" and an 805 then I will be a first-day order on that. Otherwise Moto X pure here I Come.
[Moto X General] Jason.DROID:
I wonder if Google will implement some of Moto's features in the Moto Nexus. It'd be a departure of sorts, but also provide others with some of Motorola's best software on top of a stock experience.

I guess we'll find out.
[Moto X General] aviwdoowks:
There is the "Open Mic +" but computing overhead kills battery life for phones other than the Moto/Droid line.

So no, without the dedicated processor hardware.
[Moto X General] km8j:
So how do we know if the unlocked model supports T-Mobile fully? Also will it support volte?
[Moto X General] Jason.DROID:
It has all of the bands necessary, including HSPA 1700MHz for non-refarmed areas.

It supports band 4 and 12 LTE, as well. T-Mobile is still rolling out their lower 700MHz band 12 capability.

It won't support T-Mobile Wifi calling (they need T-Mobile's permission), but not sure about VoLTE.

The XT1092 supports the necessary bands for 3 U.S. carriers, excluding Verizon. It has CDMA 800/1900MHz, which is Sprint's frequency. Verizon uses 850/1900MHz. Voice is almost always on the lower frequency, while 3G is on 1900MHz.

See here under XT1092:

New Moto X Specs
[Moto X General] Wutang200:
I'm going to bite the bullet and pre-order this tonight.

The touchless control and active display features just win it over for me despite it's huge size. Almost all the reviews have been positive other than the camera which I can live with,.
[Moto X General] chaoslimits:
Probably gonna wait on the new Maxx. Maybe the Chinese guy will come through again :fingers-crossed:
[Moto X General] km8j:
yea but is the xt1092 the one that is the unlocked version.... or will there be carrier selection you think?
[Moto X General] Note10.1Dude:
Well, a lot of Moto X features are making it in to Android L. I think the X will still have its unique sauce - but the difference from plain android will not be as much as it was a year ago.
[Moto X General] smallpotatoco:
That sucks! Most of the new feature in the new moto x will not be updated in the old moto x even tho it can support it:mad:
[Moto X General] grossermanitu:
Where did you get this information from
[Moto X General] Jason.DROID:
Motorola doesn't make a T-Mobile version, for whatever reason. I think T-Mobile only carries phones it thinks it can sell, like Samsungs and iPhones.

So, if you want T-Mobile Wifi calling, you have to use a SIM-locked T-Mobile variant phone. If T-Mobile decides it wants the Moto X, maybe Motorola will accommodate them with an actual locked version.
[Moto X General] km8j:
I know all of this but they can still sell versions with different bands
[Moto X General] Jason.DROID:
Why? The unlocked version supports all of the major bands needed, including band 12, which the AT&T and Verizon phones lack.

For T-Mobile/Sprint:

You get Quad-band GSM, Penta-band HSPA (850, 1700, 1800, 1900, 2100MHz), and Octa-band LTE (2, 4, 5, 12, 17, 25, 26, 41).

CDMA 800/1900MHz is also thrown in.

You'll only use a few of those, mainly 1700/2100MHz or 1900/2100MHz HSPA, and bands 4 and 12 of LTE. GSM is usually 850 or 1900MHz.

With a Sprint SIM, it'll use CDMA and bands 25, 26, and 41 LTE (Spark).

With an AT&T SIM, it'll use 1900/2100MHz HSPA, and band 17 LTE (4 or 5 in regional areas where low-frequencies aren't allowed).

Why make another? It's basically a Motorola branded Nexus.

The only other versions will probably be for smaller carriers and Canada.
[Moto X General] Note10.1Dude:
Anand may have messed up their review, but they did not list Band 12 for the pure/t-mo model. I could not find confirmation either way on the Moto site.
[Moto X General] Jason.DROID:
It's listed as the Sprint model, but that's actually the unlocked XT1092. Look at the bands of this "Sprint" model on Anandtech. It supports the 3 carriers. There's no reason to support HSPA 1700/2100MHz unless you use it on T-Mobile in a non-refarmed area.

The AT&T model definitely doesn't have band 12.
[Moto X General] Jason.DROID:
Nope, looks like the XT1092 will never see the light of day.

The unlocked version will be the XT1095 or XT1097 with 1700/2100 HSPA enabled.

We'll just have to hope for future band 12 support, since band 12 and 17 are related and are both lower 700MHz. Usually amplifiers combine support for both.
[Moto X General] jonnythan:
Very much want to buy, but need to wait for the Verizon subsidy.
[Moto X General] Note10.1Dude:
I'm not positive the XT1092 will never see the light of day. Assuming it has already been developed, Republic Wireless's business model kind of needs this phone to be released. It may not show up as a Sprint native phone.

I hope AnandTech just made a mistake about the bands on the pure model.

I'm holding off ordering - I have a corporate account that is going away next month, so an android will finally replace my BBry on my business line, but I am holding for possibility of Nexus neXt. I will have 14 days to port once they tell me my changeover date.