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[Galaxy Note 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] chamberc:
Absolutely, and those that have to can identify those devices and lock them out of things that companies are not willing to risk access to for such users.
[Galaxy Note 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] RMXO:
For sure are Verizon and AT&T and not sure about Sprint. TMO will be the way to go for unlocked bootloader on GSM.
[Galaxy Note 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Bataga:
This.
[Galaxy Note 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] T/ROC:
BYOD
[Galaxy Note 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] chong67:
I have never own a Samsung phone.

Can I get the bootloader tempered and keep the Knox intact? I will be using it on T-mobile.
[Galaxy Note 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] bogdan1980:
No you will loose warranty. With Note 4 Samsuck add third Knox protection, it will be even harder to root it or impossible to root. And do not forget locked bootloader. And Custom status. And few more protection that samsuck put it for not give us waranty. You buy an crippled phone, your phone, full of protections put up by Koreans.

Samsuck new quote is this: You buy our phone but it's still ours. You don't own it.

Note 3 rooted knox 1, my last Samsuck crap. I want freedom. Stay away from Samsuck!
[Galaxy Note 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] @home:
So you know for sure that the bootloader is locked?
[Galaxy Note 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] bogdan1980:
Lol, this is Samsuck policy. All Samsuck crappy phones are locked. You could pass this but warranty is dead

Note 3 rooted knox 1, my last Samsuck crap. I want freedom. Stay away from Samsuck!
[Galaxy Note 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Gorgtech:
Samsung offers a great build quality but the software is a pain to handle ;) This was the only reason for me why I skipped the Note 3 and went the Nexus 5 way instead. Sure, this device may not be as good but you don´t have to mess around with knox and other stuff..
[Galaxy Note 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] @home:
So does anyone know for sure that the bootloader is locked?

After 3 pages no one has said fore sure.

Just a load of Samsung bashing.
[Galaxy Note 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] BoBBBBBBBO:
How do you suppose people should know? The phone isn't even out yet.
[Galaxy Note 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] @home:
They seem to know awful lot of other things about it, why not that?
[Galaxy Note 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] chong67:
Makes me wanna cry as HTC phone is easy to unlock.

The reason why I want to root my phone is get rid of bloatware crap.

It use to be I root so I can get tether free, but I dont need it anymore as Tmo give me 3GB for hotspot.
[Galaxy Note 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] BoBBBBBBBO:
They know all about the specifications of the device but they couldn't possibly know about the bootloader because the phone isn't even out yet! They could tell you about KNOX because 100% it's gonna be there, but we couldn't know about whether or not the bootloader is gonna be locked or not. Wait until the device hits the stores and people should know about the bootloader right away.
[Galaxy Note 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] krishaun27:
Do you think Samsung will offer a Developer Edition for the Verizon variant like they did the Note 2&3?
[Galaxy Note 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] frankgreimes:
They should just go Asus, yeah their boot loader is locked but you can eassily download an official unlocker at their homepage.

Also I don't understand BYOD, I'd never use my private phone as a BYOD one because it would mean people would now be having my private number so they'll phone me everythime something doesn't work.
[Galaxy Note 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] fffft:
A locked bootloader is completely different than a SIM lock

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[Galaxy Note 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] scarygood536:
Do you think Samsung would go backwards and remove KNOX? Both KNOX and a locked bootlaoder will be present. No company is going to make their device more vulnerable. They don't care about the people who modify their phone, they care about the security of the mass user. Just because it's locked down doesn't mean Samsung isn't allowing you to use your own phone.
[Galaxy Note 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] fffft:
Samsung will do what they believe will maximize revenues. They've proved to be quite mercenary about it. If there was a backlash against Knox that significantly hurt sales, it would be gone in a heartbeat

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[Galaxy Note 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] bogdan1980:
Samsuck revenues is lower day by day. Now there are lg, sony, nexus, etc. People are hearing about knox, bootloader locked, etc and start picking other brands.

Note 3 rooted knox 1, my last Samsuck crap. I want freedom. Stay away from Samsuck!
[Galaxy Note 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] LegoFarmer:
This is too nice of a phone to not get an unlocked bootloader, I really hope the devs can crack it.
[Galaxy Note 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] tetakpatak:
Yes, there is a very easy way to get rid of Knox and to unlock the bootloader:

Sell Samsuck on ebay, buy a Nexus 5 and enter "fastboot oem unlock" :)

(I am very serious)

tetakpatalked from Nexus 7 flo
[Galaxy Note 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] LegoFarmer:
I would, but I am on Verizon.
[Galaxy Note 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] chong67:
Or HTC is fine.
[Galaxy Note 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Flashvetrin:
Its a given that the bl will be locked.. and we know why The Top corps do it. Theres a rumor that verizon is putting out a dev edition but its just that a rumor.. And knox has now become a standard.. But thats whats so great about Xda we will find a way..? we know safestrap is a way proven... if we Gotta Go there then.... We go there..?
[Galaxy Note 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] LegoFarmer:
Safestrap development will end in September
[Galaxy Note 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] mircury:
....and just like like the S4, S5, and Note 3, people that don't do their research and buy the locked devices will start complaining here in 4 weeks.

Then bounties will start up for an unlocked bootloader; one for the Verizon version and one for ATT version that never gets exploited. The same thing all over again. sigh... and 6 months for root maybe more maybe less...

I don't see why people that have gone through this fiasco already, don't just swear off the locked versions of the device.

Here is hashcode's statement on safestrap.
[Galaxy Note 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] ronaldheld:
Did I read this correctly, that he will no longer produce SS for locked devices such as the N4?

If so is someone going to take over that chore?
[Galaxy Note 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] mircury:
It depends if Secure Linux on the Note 4 has taken away the install path used for safestrap. But yes, he is saying that safestrap in the future will be for unlocked bootloader devices because it is getting harder and harder to get root and the necessary privileges.
[Galaxy Note 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] mchief298:
It's guaranteed and those of big red and big Blue are guaranteed to be screwed. Cuz, y'know... They don't think you should own your device.
[Galaxy Note 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] wase4711:
thats not true; they just dont want to provide a warranty to you when you brick your modified device..

I would be willing to bet that the vast majority of returns/warranty claims that carriers get are due to N00bs screwing up their devices trying to root/unlock/modify them, and then return them claiming "manufacturer defect"..

Man up, and realize that when you screw up your phone by doing something stupid, its YOUR FAULT, and YOU eat the phone; this is a big part of why these phones are getting locked down tighter than a drum now a days, and for that, its hard to fault the manufacturers for trying to reduce the amount of bogus warranty claims made to them because of users ruining their phones and trying to get a new one for free..
[Galaxy Note 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] tetakpatak:
They will deny the warranty also when it is their and not your fault. Remember eMMC hardbrick-bug and Sudden Death Syndrom. It was there due to the faulty chip in the motherboard and all who didn't know about it and insisted were simply cheated by Sucksung's customer service.

Now with Knox they just have an excuse more to get you rid of your rights. They want our money but still remain the owner of our phones? Please don't defend them...

:)

tetakpatalked from Nexus 7 flo
[Galaxy Note 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] wase4711:
not trying to defend OR villify anyone, just telling the truth..

not sure what bug you are referring to, but I am certain that for every one warranty that may be erroneously denied, there are 99 more that get honored that should not be..

how does Knox rid you of any "rights? no one forces you to root/unlock/unlock your boot loader, and no one forces you to buy any brand of cell phone that you don't want to; the 99% of people who do NOT care about rooting/boot loader unlock, and any other modding are happy that there is strong security for their cellphone.

The XDA community may not agree, but the other 99% of users out there want maximum security for their cellphones...
[Galaxy Note 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] JasonJoel:
If you hate Samsung so much, why are you trolling on a Samsung forum?

Go buy something else and leave us alone...
[Galaxy Note 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] wase4711:
I guess its easy to jump on the Samsung hate train, since everyone wants to hate the leader..

Every phone mfg has their "down side", but no reason to hate any of them.

If you dont like them or how they go to market, then vote with your wallet

there are plenty of other choices out there now..
[Galaxy Note 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] tetakpatak:
I don't hate Samsung. I use i9000, P5110 and N7100 and appreciate excellent hardware quality.

It is just the newest Sammy philosophy that I can't stand, it simply doesn't fit into Linux & Android shareware idea. They went off-road with Knox.

tetakpatalked from Nexus 7 flo
[Galaxy Note 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] wtherrell:
I don't understand. If BL is unlocked why would we need Safestrap?
[Galaxy Note 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Flashvetrin:
if the Bl is unlocked we wont...[emoji106][emoji106]
[Galaxy Note 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] mircury:
It's so you can try roms out without messing with your stock rom. I can think of a lot of reasons to have multiple roms on your device like development. It's almost like multi booting on a pc.

And unlike the current safestrap for locked bootloaders, you can have multiple kernels. Ideally you could have your stock samsung rom and dual boot an aosp rom like cm11 or Android L beta.
[Galaxy Note 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] wtherrell:
Interesting. Never thought about it that way.
[Galaxy Note 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] LIVEFRMNYC:
Has anyone truly bricked their device? Samsung KIES was always my failsafe when nothing else worked.
[Galaxy Note 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] wase4711:
well, there have always been lots of people claiming they have "bricked" their device; since the vast majority of them never had a backup, or a plan to restore in case of a disaster, its hard to know if they really bricked, or they just used that term when they had a easily repairable issue.

any noob who has an issue with their phone is always throwing out the term "bricked", so I assume those same folks are the ones who would try and send in their phone for replacement/repair..

thats how it was with the note and note 2; i didnt have a note 3 to see if that was still happening often
[Galaxy Note 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] cinnaC2C:
So are you saying that it may be impossible to root the Note 4?? I plan on getting mine from T-Mobile. Don't want it if I can't root it.

thanks
[Galaxy Note 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Baurblades43:
Just to let you know, the very SMALL minority of people actually care about bootloaders being locked or unlocked. Most don't even know the definition of bootloader. Some may care about Knox but I wouldn't say the majority does.
[Galaxy Note 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] cinnaC2C:
I am one of those who disagrees. And let me remind you that federal law states, that NO ONE can legally stop you from rooting or installing a ROM on your phone. What manufacturers need to realize is, if the RIGHT of rooting is taken away from us, then, we may start to look elsewhere like Project ARA from google, which allows you to build your own modular cell phone. It is in experimental stages, but it is in the works. My recommendation to Android phone developers would be to keep your carriers on a leash, or things could become disastrous for them in a hurry. Rooting doesn't necessarily make your phone less secure.
[Galaxy Note 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] tetakpatak:
I totally agree. Linux and Android are free shareware. The brands like Apple and now regrettably also Samsung want to charge the money, but still to remain owner of the phones. WTF?

tetakpatalked from N7100
[Galaxy Note 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] mircury:
What you want is an unlocked bootloader. You have the best chance for this with Tmobile. With an unlocked bootloader you don't need an exploit to obtain root. It is as simple as doing chainfire's CF_auto_root and you are done.

As with any new device, wait for confirmation from the developers here on the Tmobile versions bootloader status (This took about a week for the Note 3). This will save you a lot of time and heartache.
[Galaxy Note 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] ZPaul2Fresh8:
I found this funny. From this morning's ventures when contemplating ordering from AT&T.
[Galaxy Note 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Themajesticking:
lol.That's mess up
[Galaxy Note 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] ZPaul2Fresh8:
According to an AT&T sales rep the bootloader will 'Indeed be locked'.

No surprises here people. Might be buying a T-Mobile version like I did with the Note 3.
[Galaxy Note 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] daraj:
I doubt that they even know what a bootloader is!!
[Galaxy Note 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] theorioles33:
True. They may have thought carrier locked but I'm sure the bootloader will be.
[Galaxy Note 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] daraj:
Its a given with AT&T
[Galaxy Note 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] wase4711:
if Tmobile is decent in your area, c'mon over!

they blow away every other carrier, IMO

If you arent sure of their coverage in your area, you can do a one week "test drive" for free and see how they are
[Galaxy Note 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Zorachus:
I may also jump ship from ATT to T-Mobile, just for the unlocked bootloader on T-Mo, I'd rather support them and give them my monthly ca$h over the Nazi ATT network.

Any Samsung Touchwiz phone IMO, needs custom ROM's. I could not live with a stock non rooted Note 4. These phones need good TW ROM's that turn into pretty good phone, to incredibly awesome phones.
[Galaxy Note 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] wase4711:
if you're in Lombard, the Tmobile coverage there is great, and they pay all cancel fees, and buy your old phone, so why no be free of the ATT deathstar?
[Galaxy Note 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Slash8915:
I recently moved from Verizon to T-mobile because I was able to get onto my friend's employee account. (Unlimited everything for $20/mo) And since I live in a big city, the coverage is great. BETTER than Verizon in some cases. I don't regret moving one bit. T-mobile is the most open carrier I've ever been with when it comes to modding. Not to mention they keep giving us more and more free perks.
[Galaxy Note 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] wase4711:
agreed; makes you wonder why anyone in an area with good tmobile coverage would have some other carrier..

EVERYTIME I call I get someone in the US, who speaks english, is super friendly, polite, helpful and more.

EVERYTIME I had a issue, including needing a phone replaced twice, they were super easy to deal with, never said anything about a rooted phone being returned, and always shipped replacements overnight, at no charge

Billing is always correct, my local store has friendly, helpful, knowledgeable people, and the area I am in,(25 miles outside of chicago) has perfect coverage, and have never dropped a call.

Add to that, they are sending me a 200 dollar Asus wifi router for free, to improve the wifi coverage in my house, which is pretty good already..I dont need to use wifi in the house, because their regular 4g network is so strong in my house as well.

And, finally, they have a 7 day "trial" you can sign up for, which gives you an IPhone for free for 7 days to see how their network works for you; if you dont like it, just return it, no questions asked, nothing charged to you..

What's not to love with T-Mobile?
[Galaxy Note 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] wase4711:
obviously depends on where you travel...lots of rural and country areas, their coverage isnt that good, but in metro/ suburban areas, as good as anyone else, or better..Frankly, Verizon sucked for me in suburban Chicago, even ATT was alot better
[Galaxy Note 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] erkme73:
With over 20 years of 50-state and international travel under my belt, I've tried all of the national carriers. For my travels, which included both urban and very rural areas, Sprint was the most reliable - followed by VZ. I tried TMO once, but returned the hardware and canceled within their grace period for the complete lack of coverage. That was a few years ago. When I retired, I opted to go back to TMO as they had the best rates, and I no longer have to travel.

I say all of that to qualify this statement: I have NEVER had a cell carrier who's signal was so incredibly volatile. I can go from full signal 4GLTE to E or no service by simply walking 50 feet in a given direction (out in the open). In fact, in the main street to my subdivision has full signal. The moment I turn into the neighborhood (less than 1000 feet) the signal is GONE.

Where it works, it works great. It's fast, it's clear. But it's horribly UNRELIABLE. My wife works at a large level 1 trauma center. Despite a TMO tower being on the 9th floor roof, when she's inside the hospital on any floor below the 9th, she gets ZERO signal. We are currently paying $90/mo to Verizon for their jetpack/mifi. She keeps that in her right pocket, and her Note 2 in the left. She has to use wifi calling (via the wifi provided by Verizon) to be able to use her TMO phone.

Any excuse TMO gives about it being a hospital, with thick lead/concrete walls (X-ray, CT, MRI, etc) is absolute BS - as all the other employees who have ATT, VZ, or Sprint have NO problems.

What is it about TMO's signal that makes it so piss-poor? Who knows. But, I for one, would NEVER recommend TMO if reliability and coverage are important.

That being said, I will probably still by the Note 4 TMO version. I like the unlimited 4G, and for me, cost and customer service is more important than coverage at this point in my life.
[Galaxy Note 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] tetakpatak:
Sorry, US guys, I'm really trying to sound polite and not even a bit rude.... but why don't you use some US-carriers discussion threads? :)

Last page of posts is totally off-topic here.

tetakpatalked from N7100
[Galaxy Note 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] wase4711:
good point; sorry about that..
[Galaxy Note 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] cinnaC2C:
The complaint about T-Mobile's signal being weak in urban areas and sometimes in not so urban areas is plenty popular. Yes, there are times when I have had no coverage, however 90% of the time it is excellent. The customer service is great and more important than their investors. The price is fair too. I have their unlimited Plan for $80.00 a month which gives me everything. T-Mobile is expanding their towers and is planning to convert users to VoLTE.
[Galaxy Note 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] someone0:
Bigger carriers w/ deep pocket(wanna guess where that money come from?) get to bid for better spectrum to use for their tower. If you want them all to be equal, call the FCC and your local gov reps. They are the reason why we have such piss poor broadband and relatively low wireless carriers options, speed and coverage. I have to emphasize on the word relative here because for such a first world country we are in, this is not acceptable to the US citizen majority, yet they all just watch and do nothing while happily accept money from all the big telco and cable companies. There are other countries that are in worse shape that we are, like in Thailand that just started 3G, when its respective neighbor already started 4G.

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On topic, I understand that currently there is no way of resetting the Knox. But is it possible to modify the loader to actually ignore the Knox setting and display it on screen as no Knox have been tamper? Yes, I know it doesn't fix the knox problem, but it might pass your cell rep eyeball inspection.
[Galaxy Note 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] fix-this!:
Same here. I boycotted sammy awhile ago. Screw knox and the uncrackable bootloaders. Ill keep my s-off'ed htc m8 and see what the nexus 6 is all about.

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[Galaxy Note 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] chong67:
Yes free perks on T-mobile! Now you can sent txt for free on GoGo when you are flying. I been sending text free to my friends overseas. I get free 3GB hotspot free. And in 120 countries you can use data for free. It will be in 2G or 3G speed but it works. :)
[Galaxy Note 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] krishaun27:
Tmobile is garbage here in the south. Even if you're right next to a tower you will undoubtedly loose 2 or 3 bars when you walk inside a building. And if there is a storm or hurricane or you're traveling to the sticks, forget it! Switched to Verizon a few years ago with a discount from my employer and never looked back.
[Galaxy Note 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Shibby303:
I just preordered the verizon unlocked version. This is my first time buying a phone unlocked and I'm only doing it so I can keep my unlimited data. Will the bootloader be locked since it's still technically the verizon version even though I paid full price for the phone?
[Galaxy Note 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] wase4711:
did you ask them when you ordered it?

almost 99.99% sure it will have a locked bootloader if it says Verizon on it..
[Galaxy Note 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Shibby303:
I ordered it on amazon. The picture on there does have the Verizon logo on it though. I really hope it has an unlocked bootloader if I'm paying full price..
[Galaxy Note 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] krishaun27:
*THE BOOTLOADER WILL BE LOCKED ON VERIZON!*

If you are going to pay full price why not just wait for Samsung to release the unlocked Developer Edition for Verizon, thats what I'm doing?
[Galaxy Note 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Delakit:
T-Mobile is garbage here in the North, also. ABSOLUTE junk. Same with Sprint.
[Galaxy Note 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] awilson77584:
Really? Carriers get their money. We get the phone. Most phones need to be modified from the base designs to become usable for anything other than calls. The Asus TF700 becomes a great device with ROMs and Kernels that support running /system and /data from a fast microsd. The Galaxy S3 is a useable, albeit with rediculously poor power management, phone with a KitKat ROM and an alternative kernel.

I'm always puzzled when people adopt an authority figure's rules as a standard of truth while some people live by the "Question Authority" credo. Odd. In the US, those people typically become lawyers... Odd.

Thanks for sharing. When I read your first post, I thought to ask if you troll much. Others answered that question before I got to it.

OBTW, what is the point of including an NRA website in a technical developer forum signature? Curiouser and curiouser ...

//so it goes

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