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[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] eragon5779:
We have seen them in the past. Who knows.

Anyways, first Monday of October, I will call Wes and talk to him.
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] Sam Spade1:
bootloader

Why verizon doesn't look at the great work these developers do and try and implement there roms on verizon phones is beyond me

I know there complaint is that it taxes there system

But I think the real reason is that they would not be able to put all there

garbage ware (the ones that usually have fee attached)

In the rom without it being easyly removed .
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] eragon5779:
Sent today at 2:10 pm MST
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] ShapesBlue:
Eragon we should seriously consider starting a petition maybe? I know change.org is a good one amongst the petition sites, just a thought

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[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] jkc120:
Petitions won't work. The only thing that has an even remote chance of working is if someone puts together a formal, professional business plan/proposal that will mean more money in Verizon's pockets without introducing note support costs, time or resources and is literally zero risk. And even then it might just be a case where they've been so draconian for so long that they are sticking to what they know.
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] ShapesBlue:
Ok and you know this because you've started one?

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[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] jkc120:
It didn't work for previous devices to get them unlockable, so what makes you think it would work to make them change an obviously calculated policy for ALL their devices?
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] eragon5779:
Petitions have only worked for one device to date. I told them a marketing idea that would earn them money, and they put it into marketing. At least I know that they are at least considering it. It's a step in the right direction.
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] ShapesBlue:
If the petition is strongly supported it will gain attention quickly. I've signed enough petitions to know that. I know this is different but it's not like we would lose anything but attempting to do it

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[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] jkc120:
Reality

Let me put this into perspective for you.

Verizon has about 100 million subscribers.

70% of those have "smartphones" => 70,000,000

50% or more have iPhones of those probably => 35,000,000

Of those, let's be generous and say 50% have mid to high end devices => 17,500,000

Of those, how many do you think actually care about locked bootloaders? Based purely on my group of friends, many of which are "techie" I'd conservatively say 10% (and that's being generous) => 1,750,000

So if you got every since person that cared to sign (hint: you never will), that's 1.75 of 100 million subscribers. That's only 1.75% of their customers, and in reality you'd get maybe 100,000 if you were lucky which is only 0.1 % of their customers.
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] wrongway213:
Not even close to 10% care, maybe 5% even know what a bootloader is. I'd say being generous, maybe 2℅ care... Maybe. Hate to agree with you on this issue, but you're right.
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] jkc120:
Oh I don't like it either, trust me :/ But I'm a realist. I think OP has the best crack at this by proposing it in a way that has business value to them.
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] wrongway213:
Yeah, the only shot this has is if it makes financial sense to Verizon on a level that would outweigh the benefits they perceive themselves to reap by bloating phones... honestly I do think Verizon would make a killing if they just started selling Nexus devices.. still could bloat up all the Sammy's and everything else like they normally do, but offer Nexus devices as to not alienate the people who DO care about locked bootloaders.. plus the much larger group who just like vanilla Android without all the bloat. They'd still have all the bloated up devices flying off shelves, but it would open up a market to them that's closed off.. a lot of people would switch to Big Red for the coverage if they could have vanilla Android without all the bloat.
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] bad bone:
Already started here you go

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?p=52812200

Petition: Grant Galaxy S5 Users Unlocked Bootloader Upon Request

http://bit.ly/1brshoa
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] jkc120:
Case in point. 728 signatures. That's not even a drop in the bucket for Verizon. That's a single water molecule in the bucket. :o

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To us it seems like there'd be "hoards of people switching providers" if Verizon did a 180 and decided not to lock down their devices. In reality, a few thousand would switch, it'd be well within the margin of error for their sales figures, and it wouldn't matter to them. Sad, but true.

Verizon is a (very large) publicly traded company with a board and investors. If it doesn't mean money in investors' pockets, it's not worth their time. Period. I honestly don't think their locking of devices is malicious. I just think they believe (incorrectly) that their current policies mean more profits or it's just plain simpler to ask the OEMs to lock them down compared to the additional overhead or (perceived) costs of allowing unlocked devices, despite the increased customer base (or reduction in loss of customers). It's an economy of scale thing, really.
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] ShapesBlue:
I bet if other variants got involved who are and aren't unlocked there will be more signatures. Sprint, at&t just to name a few. I bet they would be somewhat interested in helping us

And I'm merely making a suggestion it doesn't mean it will happen but it's a start, trying to stay positive here. I'd love a nexus device myself but I'm also realistic in knowing big red won't make any extra money off of it.

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[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] tshelby73:
Not to mention every time I sign a petition on change. Org I get email spam. And of the 2 I signed didn't make any difference.
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] eheinzeiii:
It's refreshing to read some realism on here. Everyone's points are valid but the reality is that we are such a small amount of Verizon's customers. I personally will do a lot of research before I get my next phone from Verizon and hopefully get one that can be unlocked. I am kind of stuck with Verizon just for the fact that they have the best coverage in the places I work, that all the other carriers just don't. With that said, I really hope something like the OP works out for us. I'm just not holding my breath, but I am willing to support the cause.
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] eragon5779:
The devices would still be locked. The other 99.9% would have locked devices. We would have to physically take our phones in to get them unlocked. They wouldn't lose anyone. Because its pretty much developer edition devices without making a whole seperate device. It isn't advertised, yet we know about it.
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] ShapesBlue:
The rumors are flying for sure about the nexus 6

http://www.talkandroid.com/221673-verizon-reportedly-set-to-carry-the-upcoming-nexus-6/

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[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] Drakonas:
I would be willing to pay $50. Trying not to go out of the ranges requested, but I'd be willing to pay $125 for Developer + Extended Service Plan (ESP). I paid $80 for an ESP with my Developer Edition Moto X.
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] AKMacAddict:
I'd certainly be willing to pay to retain, or repair, my unlocked bootloader. :good:
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] jkc120:
Well, hell has frozen over. Verizon is getting another Nexus. I really don't like the idea of a phablet but having a nexus on Verizon means an open device on the best network so I don't think I can pass it up.
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] ShapesBlue:
Yea i was shocked myself. I'm getting it come June and I don't care if I have to pay full price for it, I'm getting it

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[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] jkc120:
Yep, and although the price is high, I'm hoping that means some of the quality control and lesser built quality issues that plagued the galaxy nexus for example won't be a problem.
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] wrongway213:
my next phone is gonna be a nexus... oh yes
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] KaM1KaZ3:
A nexus device on Verizon.... Shocked to see that
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] jkc120:
And a "pure" Nexus at that. At most, Verizon might pre-install some apps like My Verizon, but since there's one US SKU, that means you can buy it from the Play Store or Best Buy etc and use it on Verizon. Who would have thought we'd see the day...
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] ShapesBlue:
Amen to that man.

"Hell has frozen over and all verizon customers rejoiced"

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[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] jkc120:
All that said, I'd still pay a small premiums for unlocking a device like a G3 / S4 / M8 on Verizon or having a play edition device would work as well. Most of these SOCs support all the bands now anyway.
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] ShapesBlue:
That's very true. I wouldn't mind anyone of those devices mentioned either but man I've wanted a Nexus for awhile. The closest I got was a tablet but instead went with a galaxy tab 2 7.0 which was on the advice of the people at best buy (it was a Christmas gift 2 years ago)

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[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] jkc120:
Having had a galaxy nexus, I am thrilled to be able to get a nexus again and still be on Verizon (coverage and data speeds in my town are bar none).

The higher price point hopefully translates to better build quality/QC, because the GNEX had display and radio issues and it took me a few devices to get one that worked and also looked ok. And when I tried the N5 (w/AT&T) it had similar QC issues (screen light bleed, dust under the screen, shotty vibration motors, etc). So hopefully the higher price point also translates to better QC.

The google play edition phones had a higher price because they were premium devices with better QC and stock android. Sort of the best of both worlds (at a cost), and I see the N6 as being the same. Probably it was intended as an "Android Silver" device, so who knows what the Nexus landscape will look like in 2015.
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] tshelby73:
Let's just hope the nexus 6 gets the updates. The galaxy nexus on Verizon never got the latest update that the other varieties got.
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] jkc120:
Google will be responsible for the updates this time as far as I know. So totally different from the gnex snafu.
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] ShapesBlue:
Since you had a Nexus before the updates completely skip VZW and go through Google? That would be sweet if that's the case

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[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] tshelby73:
On galaxy nexus they came from Google but only after Verizon approved
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] jkc120:
How was the Nexus 5 handled on sprint and tmobile? Were the factory images the same for all carriers or were there different ones for Sprint and/or T-Mobile? If they were the same, then theoretically if vzw slows down the release you can just update via the factory images.
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] ShapesBlue:
Then by some chance it may just bypass VZW all together which would be a wonderful thing

From my CM11 S3
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] jkc120:
Hopefully. There weren't factory images per carrier for N5, so hopefully that holds for the N6 on vzw.
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] ShapesBlue:
Agreed. I'm a little psyched about getting my first Nexus device, I don't care if I have to pay full price for it either

From my CM11 S3
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] eragon5779:
I hate to stop this discussion, but this is the wrong thread. I know I started it, and I apologize, but I was using it to say that maybe Big Red has finally changed their mind.
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] jkc120:
Right you are! Still hoping this unlock thing happens, because in all likelihood, VZW will do something to screw this up or piss off Google and we won't have another nexus for 3 years again haha!
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] Thebear j koss:
No expandable storage on the nexus=no bueno. Vzw has already screwed previous Nexus devices, I assume the same will happen. As this thread is for unlocking any device I'm thinking a nexus on vzw doesn't kill the discussion of this thread. Personally I despise aosp and Google and would never buy a nexus or any product geared toward running vanilla Android. Just my opinion.

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[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] bearded. zombie:
I work in verizon customer care I'll submit the idea again to management again and hope it helps more and I'll even send the link around to sign petition
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] ShapesBlue:
Ignore this post it was meant for another topic lol

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[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] bearded. zombie:
Haha ok and in my response it was gonna be a yes from what I've heard and read.
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] ShapesBlue:
Oh ok, I realized after I posted what I did I was in the wrong thread

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[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] eragon5779:
Has anyone that has contacted Verizon heard anything back as of late? I haven't gotten any more info yet, and the first of the year is right around the corner.
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] ShapesBlue:
As much as I think most people would hope this is a possibility most have just accepted that they will always control what users do. Best bet is to get a nexus 6 from the play store. I moved on from. Big red for this exact reason. I'm free from high bills and locked bootloaders

From my S3 running BlissStalk
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] santanac:
I'll gladly pay $25
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] str8str:
Free from high bills? Can you elaborate? You pay as you go or with a different carrier?
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] elliwigy:
well.. the s6 is going to be coming out so might as well start a similar thread up for that device as well lol
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] ShapesBlue:
Straight talk, My verizon s3 runs off of verizon towers while on ST for a mere $45 a month. Yes it's prepaid but it's a lot cheaper than what I was paying for the same service at nearly $100 a month for one line

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[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] kilroy1stcav:
Does anyone remember the late '80s when Micro$oft locked your computer from unistalling all the bloatware and only allowing you to install certain programs that they wanted you to? There was an Antitrust suit against them and they had to refrain from this and allow uninstall of all bloatware! Well we have the same situation here and, Im hoping, before long that our cell phones will be liberated the same way!!!!!!

So for me, I don't think I should have to pay for extras, root included and/or bootloader, for a device I bought and paid for! I bought on opening day so don't flame me and say I should have bought the Developer device, I wasn't aware there would be one, or I would have, Plus the DEVELOPER DEVICE is limited too, you cant upgrade, so a catch 22!
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] ShapesBlue:
Sadly no I don't remember that one, not old enough here. That's a great idea although I doubt big red would even budge. It's a great idea but all VZW cares about its how much money it makes. Customer service does care about people as they are trained to do (former c/s rep here) but when the end of the day comes no one truly cares

From my S3 running BlissStalk
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] tshelby73:
The problem is Verizon can throw their network card out claiming unlocked devices can damage their network which we don't own.

Sent from S4 using the worst jacked up version of Tapatalk to date
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] ShapesBlue:
They can always use that lame excuse, truth is it won't hurt there precious network

From my S3 running BlissStalk
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] tshelby73:
They mostly use that excuse for us grandfathered users

Sent from S4 using the worst jacked up version of Tapatalk to date
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] ShapesBlue:
That's very true. It's not like tethering will break there network. Verizon has a very funny way of taking care of there customers, more like losing them

From my S3 running BlissStalk
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] Rakuu:
I think part of the issue is a lot of you think you're entitled to being able to modify your phone and this that and the other because you own it and its your device, when in reality you don't. Unless you paid full price (around 600ish) then you actually don't own it, it's on a lease to you and its part of your bill every month, and in this case Verizon owns it and has every right to say "no i wont let you do that with our phone". I may be wrong though, feel free to correct as this is pretty much just speculation.
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] jkc120:
Then they should allow you to unlock the bootloader if you pay full price, which they don't let you do.
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] ShapesBlue:
While you are correct there are those of us who have fulfilled our contracts and own our phone, according to VZW that still doesn't give us a right to do what we want with them

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[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] Rakuu:
I completely agree, and that makes it arguable wether or not you should be able to, but my point still stands that i believe that theres a majority that have not payed of their device, i know i personally haven't.
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] elliwigy:
lmao.. im a QR for a cellular company and believe me when i say you cant train a person to care lol.

they might empathize when needed but being genuine and following through with action is another story..

Many times i call in and each time i get similar scripted empathy statements.. it really depends on the individual. they either have it or they dont but it cant be something that can be trained to the masses without personal experiences or genuine care for others
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] ShapesBlue:
That's for sure. We had scripted words ourselves but sometimes you just had to go away from the robot words and be honest to people, we were taught that apologizing can be the major difference in the call going positive or negative

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[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] elliwigy:
where i work there are no scripts. they want you to be yourself and personable. but apologizing (sympathy) isnt always best bcuz a lot of things are not yours or the companies fault. Empathy is putting yourself in the customers shoes and letting them know youve been there yourself and will do everything you can to help.

Agreed that the connection does dictate how the entire interaction will go.

Usually you need to listen and build that connection within the first 30 seconds of an interaction or else the connection is lost and the customer will be more difficult to deal with.

In carrier world, connection is big because the happier your customers are with quality/connection (customer engagement) the more likely they are to be an advocate and recommend friends n family to join.. the worse, well, the more likely they are to leave and say bad things causing others to leave and turn away potential new customers.

With that being said, besides new customer/customer churn, it does not tie in with the business needs outside of the arpu/revenue. Meaning Verizon will not allow us to unlock the BL if in any way they feel it would not generate revenue or could "potentially" impact any of the business needs negatively.
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] ShapesBlue:
That's very true. But with big companies it's all about the $$$ especially VZW

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[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] str8str:
Come on guys keep this going
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] ldeveraux:
There's already a petition thread to unlock the BL. This thread is redundant and should be closed.
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] eragon5779:
This thread is about talking directly to the heads of Verizon about changing their stance on locking their devices and replacing the developer edition devices with a fee to unlock the bootloader instead. Not a petition.
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] ldeveraux:
Neither of which will happen, most likely, but good luck with that. :good:
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] str8str:
Not with that attitude. Carry on bye.
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] ldeveraux:
If you could point me to the last time a campaign like this that was successful, I'd believe. It's just not going to happen. Don't get me wrong, I'm on board, It's an idea at least, which is more than most people are willing to offer. Carriers don't look highly on XDA, because they think it's a forum of "hackers" and general ne'er-do-wells. I'm just not holding my breath...
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] btonetbone:
A quick Google search would show you that Asus and HTC both did it after a series of complaints and requests. Now please take your defeatist attitude elsewhere or at least just play nice.
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] ldeveraux:
Uh, no. When has Samsung or Verizon (2 of the stingiest companies with their IP) ever cowered to users requests? I am playing nice, just because you don't like what I'm saying, doesn't make it mean.
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] ShapesBlue:
I'd have to agree with you, it always seems when someone here on xda disagrees with someone else people get defensive. I do agree that I doubt Samsung will cave do to some petition. They are a large company and are out to make money.

Being how I was on big red for a long time I got used to unlocked bootloaders, but in reality it's a thing of the past besides having a nexus device. Although even in that regard VZW will find a way to screw that up also

Sent from my Nexus 5
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] str8str:
Look people once thought it was impossible to walk on the moon and there were all kinds of people and companies, govnt,etc against that but we perciveered and did that so I'm sure little ol Verizon is no biggie just have to keep at em. So please take your negativity somewhere else it's not needed or welcomed here on a site like this.
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] ldeveraux:
It would appear you're never going to get it, so forget it. You can go ahead and remind me a third time to take my negativity elsewhere if you'd feel better.:highfive:
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] ShapesBlue:
I supported your comment previously and here you go again being negative. I'm nearly sure they are looking for support in the bootloader unlock versus negativity. While in reality it may not happen there's still a possibility

Sent from my Nexus 5
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] s44:
Not so firm, if you're still on Verizon.
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] eragon5779:
I emailed the executive VP. In other words, the head VP
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] vmancini3:
To be honest....I feel like I shouldn't have to pay anything, even if that meant I had to sign some sort of waiver or something stating that I give up the ability to have a warranty, HOWEVER, I'd pay $25 no questions asked if I knew I'd be able to get my bootloader unlocked (on a future device of course, seeing how I am already unlocked at the present moment)

[MENTION=5581362]eragon5779[/MENTION] , please keep us updated if you hear anything else from Verizon! I really like your idea and ambition!
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] VMFortress:
Also a long time lurker of XDA and have been following the Galaxy S4 bootloader unlocking development since day. If this could happen I would be very grateful, however I do agree that we should not pay anything since it is our device. But if the opportunity came I would pay up to $25. Beyond that I have a feeling you get to a price range in which Verizon would get less money charging more because fewer would use the service. That said, I do agree with one of the past posters stating that it could bring in customers for Verizon or do other good on their side as I know many people who left Verizon because of locked bootloaders.
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] Blue:
I would pay $25-$50. Even though I see no point is making people pay because we bought the phone already and it we should be able to do what we want with it in any way.