yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[Kindle Fire HDX 7" & 8.9" General] krasny2k5:
As far i understood in Jcase twitter account the problem isn't the way that the exploit works. The problem that DCMA doesn't cover tablets or set top boxes. Phones are ok, but other devices don't. I'm from europe, so i don't know about DMCA, but maybe someone can explain about this sh!t.

To give you some hope... He said in his twitter account that he is gonna talk about this with his lawyer, but didn't post anything more about this. I keep hope with Qualcomm TrustZone bug discovered by Dan Roseberg an revealed in BlackHat, but isn't public at this moment. more info here
[Kindle Fire HDX 7" & 8.9" General] Wulfpk:
The only DCMA i'm familiar with is the Defense Contract Management Agency( the place that issues take-down notices). DCMA technically covers everything that's why the original thread was taken down. Let me know if that's what you mean.

I agree that BlackHat is the most likely place from which an exploit would come. From what i've read there I'd rather fix my problem now instead of wait an indefenite period. Then again, who knows.

So i went back and read JCase twitter thread(probably should have done this earlier :/). He said, paraphrasing here, " Tablets have fewer exceptions than phones." Meaning it's less likely to be released because as far as we know this exploit is only known to unlock tablets. Fewer exceptions meaning if your exploit exposes sensitive info and it's for a phone you may be able to get away with it but probably not if it's a tab.

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[Kindle Fire HDX 7" & 8.9" General] Hanzo.Hasashi:
Man wtf!! Somebody leak it!!!!Go find this guy ,nobody needs to know who he is!!Snowden rules!

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[Kindle Fire HDX 7" & 8.9" General] Hashbang173:
Is this the qpsa stuff from the thread "Well it must be our lucky day" are something like that?
[Kindle Fire HDX 7" & 8.9" General] krasny2k5:
Sorry, i **** up the letters, i was referring to DMCA: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_Millennium_Copyright_Act
[Kindle Fire HDX 7" & 8.9" General] tl3:
DMCA, not DCMA

I believe it's the DMCA: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_Millennium_Copyright_Act

FYI.

IMO, it's also just an excuse... lame.
[Kindle Fire HDX 7" & 8.9" General] Wulfpk:
Yes

Meaning ?

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[Kindle Fire HDX 7" & 8.9" General] Hashbang173:
OK so the people who visited that thread closet when it was created they could have got the files. If they have enough background knowledge they could generate an unlock but I don't think they would be able to post it.
[Kindle Fire HDX 7" & 8.9" General] Wulfpk:
Yes, exactly what I said.

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[Kindle Fire HDX 7" & 8.9" General] jimyv:
yeap

I was there,..wasn't that all n viper? Said a :(mechanic.
[Kindle Fire HDX 7" & 8.9" General] epicfailol:
What did the exploit do that made it unreleasable?
[Kindle Fire HDX 7" & 8.9" General] Hashbang173:
It used Qualcomm's Intellectual property I think.

I think it used files that had this at the top

# Copyright 2013 QUALCOMM Technologies Incorporated.
# All Rights Reserved.
# Qualcomm Confidential and Proprietary
[Kindle Fire HDX 7" & 8.9" General] epicfailol:
Surley we could have been told the steps to unlock it atleast, or no?
[Kindle Fire HDX 7" & 8.9" General] ggow:
It surely is a shame that it cannot be released, qualcomms big budget legal department would have convinced many of us I'm sure not to release it.
[Kindle Fire HDX 7" & 8.9" General] Hashbang173:
I wonder if [MENTION=2376614]jcase[/MENTION] could give steps with vague file names. Then some people could make the unlock themselves.
[Kindle Fire HDX 7" & 8.9" General] epicfailol:
If the files could be obtained from the kindle. How did jcase get the files in the first place?
[Kindle Fire HDX 7" & 8.9" General] mrkhigh:
I may be mistaken but memory serves it was an accidentally shared file on an ftp or something to that effect... I believe quite a few people have the files...
[Kindle Fire HDX 7" & 8.9" General] AKToronto:
I wonder whether the laws would be significantly different here in Canada...
[Kindle Fire HDX 7" & 8.9" General] gabrielgallo90:
I wonder what would happen to the law if the files appear under false names?
[Kindle Fire HDX 7" & 8.9" General] stapler85:
i think we need to stop wondering and start doing, something. ;)
[Kindle Fire HDX 7" & 8.9" General] gabrielgallo90:
The files exist and is very obvious, the thing is who has them
[Kindle Fire HDX 7" & 8.9" General] jcase:
What the heck is everyone going on about? It has nothing to do with leaked files, stolen IP, nor legal threats from Qualcomm nor Amazon's security teams (I have good relationships with both, and personal friends working for both). I have never been even vaguely threatened by either, both have been incredible to me, and have been really cool, even when I have published exploits for their products.

DMCA doesn't protect me with tablets/consoles. I have no interest in potentially putting my family on the line for anyone but myself and my own.
[Kindle Fire HDX 7" & 8.9" General] jcase:
Dan's trustzone vuln would be no help here as far as I can see.
[Kindle Fire HDX 7" & 8.9" General] krasny2k5:
Thanks for the clarification! I respect and understand your decision about don't publish the root.
[Kindle Fire HDX 7" & 8.9" General] Wulfpk:
Also thanks for the answer JCase. It should help myself and others decide whether we want to wait it out or move on to a different device.

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[Kindle Fire HDX 7" & 8.9" General] aaronkatrini:
Quick question, in what circumstances the DMCA can protect you? I mean, would it be a change on the legislation? Thnx, take care.
[Kindle Fire HDX 7" & 8.9" General] icedtrip:
I figured this was the reason, but thanks for jumping in and clarifying it. This device is my first Android device and I should have done my homework a little better before buying it. Great hardware, but the damn kernel we are tired to is just holding us back. It's a shame, but I certainly don't blame you given the reason.
[Kindle Fire HDX 7" & 8.9" General] gutts10:
Does said exploit work f o r the fire phone... if so release it for the phone and then we can port it ourselves.
[Kindle Fire HDX 7" & 8.9" General] jcase:
If you can port it yourself, feel free, more than one of these works on the HDX https://www.codeaurora.org/projects/security-advisories, but please dont tell me what to release, I've already clearly said I am not releasing something for the HDX or firetv at this time.
[Kindle Fire HDX 7" & 8.9" General] EncryptedCurse:
How about releasing instructions for putting said unlock together on our own? Or would you still run into legal issues?
[Kindle Fire HDX 7" & 8.9" General] murso74:
Good lord
[Kindle Fire HDX 7" & 8.9" General] gutts10:
lol i wasnt tellin you. sorry if i came off that way. we all understand the reasons why you dont release it
[Kindle Fire HDX 7" & 8.9" General] khanhdaojtk:
Please unlock bootloader :(
[Kindle Fire HDX 7" & 8.9" General] jimyv:
lol

Sorry but it wouldn't help you anyway you can only unlock boot loader on a working device.. At least from what I read this bootloader unlock only worked on working functioning device.. If bricked afterwords the unlocked boot loader would allow it to take fastbootcommands properly but otherwise you cannot unlock a brick device.

---------- Post added at 01:48 AM ---------- Previous post was at 01:46 AM ----------

Need to find this vendor mentioned at the beginning of this thread http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=2795602 . So you can send your device to him and have it fixed .
[Kindle Fire HDX 7" & 8.9" General] aranurea:
Maybe whatever N2Aos is planning to do unlocks the boot loader:

http://www.cnet.com/news/n2aos-brings-kitkat-to-kindle-fires/

We'll have to wait and see.
[Kindle Fire HDX 7" & 8.9" General] epicfailol:
I was thinking of extracting amazon's update.bin modifying the boot.img to make it unlocked, repackage, then apply this exploit to the modded file then try to force an update. It most likely won't work b/c nothing I think of ever does, and I wouldn't know how to do it either way.

edit: a simple google searched showed that the boot.img isnt the bootloader, so it wouldn't work at all
[Kindle Fire HDX 7" & 8.9" General] jimyv:
well

KitKat? That link seems to take us to a utility for the HD version not the HDX
[Kindle Fire HDX 7" & 8.9" General] danhvt:
pLEASE help me to fix my fault Jimyv :crying::crying:

http://xdaforums.com/kindle-fire-hdx/help/help-kindle-fire-hdx-8-9-doesnt-able-to-t2816663
[Kindle Fire HDX 7" & 8.9" General] Faznx92:
Also the updates are signed.
[Kindle Fire HDX 7" & 8.9" General] aranurea:
Yes the compatibility for the HDX models is currently being worked on according to the article.
[Kindle Fire HDX 7" & 8.9" General] berndt_toast:
From an article 5 months ago.
[Kindle Fire HDX 7" & 8.9" General] aranurea:
Oooh. My apologies. Didn't look at the date. Weird, considering I always look at article dates. I guess I wanted so much for it to be possible.
[Kindle Fire HDX 7" & 8.9" General] berndt_toast:
Yeah, I think every HDX owner wants it to be possible. :)
[Kindle Fire HDX 7" & 8.9" General] droiduzr2:
This is ridiculous, I thought this device would have been unlocked a long time ago. This is XDA right?
[Kindle Fire HDX 7" & 8.9" General] Hashbang173:
Look at their website:

http://n2aos.com/
[Kindle Fire HDX 7" & 8.9" General] amazonhdx:
I'm waiting for since the beginning of the year

and I can say that just will not buy and would not recommend the purchase of the next generation hdx and fire phone.

absence of a formal solution to the problem hbulk 9008,

lack of interest by advanced xda-developers (Jcase forbidden to publish the decision) to solve the problem hbulk 9008

small number of popular applications in the Amazon Store (not second-class trash to increase the number of applications)

it's really bad
[Kindle Fire HDX 7" & 8.9" General] Choppii:
As much as I like the feel of the hdx, I really hate Amazons take on the OS. I may just end up giving this to my son and getting something else down the road. I'll wait and see how ggow's Nexus rom works out.
[Kindle Fire HDX 7" & 8.9" General] mxzwhx:
If you don't have any risk at all ,why don't you just release it and get this device the best of it ?I am confused ,I mean wouldn't you be happy that a lot of people feel happy because of your work and love you about it ?
[Kindle Fire HDX 7" & 8.9" General] jcase:
If you would read the post, you wouldn't be confused.
[Kindle Fire HDX 7" & 8.9" General] mrkhigh:
Do you remember geohot and the ps3? Jcase doesn't want that to happen to him. Subsequently harming the people he cares for. This is for kicks for him... Not a living and sure not for legal fees.
[Kindle Fire HDX 7" & 8.9" General] aaronkatrini:
We can understand and I'm pretty sure anybody would do the same thing, what about a unbrick/debrick tool?

Since we can't get official support from major custom Roms at least if we had an Unbrick Tool we could roll back in case of a disaster. That would be really nice :)

Thanks
[Kindle Fire HDX 7" & 8.9" General] jcase:
http://www.riffbox.org/
[Kindle Fire HDX 7" & 8.9" General] aaronkatrini:
Maybe something Do-It-Yourself?

With a factory cable and instructions on how to do it in QHSUSB_DLOAD mode.

What do you suggest?
[Kindle Fire HDX 7" & 8.9" General] jcase:
I suggest you write a guide
[Kindle Fire HDX 7" & 8.9" General] aaronkatrini:
The problem isn't writing a guide, I can do that. :)

The problem is that some files are missing such as "rawprogram0.xml, patch.xml" and apparently some other files to be able to flash correctly. Can you provide me these files to be to make a full Tutorial on how to Unbrick the HDX?

Thanks
[Kindle Fire HDX 7" & 8.9" General] jcase:
No, I don't have them
[Kindle Fire HDX 7" & 8.9" General] aaronkatrini:
From what I'm reading online I have found that the "rawprogram0.xml" is just an .XML file containing all the partition table on the Device and it is specific for every device, now i have only the partition table for the Kindle Fire HDX 16Gb Wifi (Thor), can you give it a look and see if you can create this "rawprogram0.xml" from this?

Thanks,
[Kindle Fire HDX 7" & 8.9" General] aaronkatrini:
Can you please check this out, apparently it even has some examples on how to get it done,

Thank you for your time :))))

http://m.blog.csdn.net/blog/ziyouwa/16331987
[Kindle Fire HDX 7" & 8.9" General] jcase:
I have no intentions nor time to work on the HDX at this time
[Kindle Fire HDX 7" & 8.9" General] aaronkatrini:
its ok :'(
[Kindle Fire HDX 7" & 8.9" General] murso74:
I like how the more jcase hints for people to give it a rest, the more they bother him.
[Kindle Fire HDX 7" & 8.9" General] aaronkatrini:
I don't believe that we are bothering him, if it would be so he wouldn't mind replying.

I'm not a developer neither consider my self an expert in Android, all I know I have learned it here on XDA or searching on Google.

Look the thing is we are loosing every day developers for this device, first was [MENTION=320147]HasH[/MENTION]c0de which left for the Project Ara, now [MENTION=2376614]jcase[/MENTION] has other plans and cannot release the bootloader unlock because the DMCA.

Every day passing lowers the possibility for having this device unlocked and having fully developed - working ROMs.

What can I say...
[Kindle Fire HDX 7" & 8.9" General] icedtrip:
Sadly, which is why I wish I were smarter on this topic and could do something with this information....
[Kindle Fire HDX 7" & 8.9" General] jcase:
most obnoxious part is the emails i get everyday
[Kindle Fire HDX 7" & 8.9" General] mrkhigh:
You mean I shouldn't be emailing you daily about my att note 3 jcase?...

In all seriousness if you want a tablet with development you have to be really cautious these days there is just too many devices to expect love for them all.

I'm getting ready to buy my girls unlocked Samsung tab 4's and since I'm getting them the 7 inch version I'm questioning the development activity in it...

Gotta check processor, boot loader and demand on these devices these days.
[Kindle Fire HDX 7" & 8.9" General] davekaz:
Nexus rom is great so far. A fast boot up compared to hdxposed and no need for Amazon services if you just want keep prime streaming now that it's incorporated in their app
[Kindle Fire HDX 7" & 8.9" General] davekaz:
The only thing for me not working is headphone jack in which he is working on
[Kindle Fire HDX 7" & 8.9" General] gutts10:
sorry to bother you but quick question... if the reason you dont want to release is because of the DMCA not covering tablets but does that mean all potential expoits are doomed to be restricted by DMCA. So if a capable person on these forums developed some kind of exploit that is unrelated to yours would they face legal problems or risk facing legal problems? im pretty much asking if this device is legally unlockable by an method?

also, what makes this device special? why does the HDX have these legal problems when other tablets seems to get unlocked all the time? Maybe Amazon is more likely to persue legal action that other companies?

i ask you bc the rumor was that you spoke to a lawyer and got professional legal advice regarding this situation.

thanks for your time and sorry we all annoyed you!
[Kindle Fire HDX 7" & 8.9" General] jcase:
This has been explained before, Im not answering more about the HDX/Fire TV. I unlocked a few people during testing, I wont be testing more nor release
[Kindle Fire HDX 7" & 8.9" General] gutts10:
ok... i wasnt askin anything about a release or testing; i know your not goin to. it was a legal question about tablets in general. but whatever, anyone else know an answer to this perfectly legitimate question?
[Kindle Fire HDX 7" & 8.9" General] icedtrip:
The best you can do is go by the following...

He is making a personal decision to not release tablet/console exploits since he is not protected by DMCA. From what I have seen [MENTION=2376614]jcase[/MENTION] state, for him, it has nothing to do specific with the HDX. People here are the ones turning it into the "Other tablets have been exploited, why not HDX??" Now, I don't know jcase or his past released exploits, but at this point I'm assuming he will continue to stay away from releasing any tablet/console exploit until something changes that can protect him with a release.

If you follow the logic here, anyone releasing an exploit to fully unlock a tablet (HDX or other), whether it is based on what jcase did (which how would you know since it isn't being released), that person would be in the same boat....no protection from DMCA.

NOTE: I am NOT a lawyer, I have just been following along in and outside of these threads hoping upon hope for an exploit, but I think jcase has been pretty clear here.
[Kindle Fire HDX 7" & 8.9" General] gutts10:
That's what I figured. Unfortunately, it looks like tablets in general are doomed to have locked bootloaders unless they come factory unlocked. Everyone here keeps ****ting on the hdx but it looks to be a universal problem, as majority of tablets are factory locked.

Looks like we're all Stuck on nexus rom for now(not that that is a bad thing). I love this tablet. I had the Asus tf700 factory unlocked with clean room before the hdx and this hdx with hdxposed or nexus rom runs laps around the Asus. Goes to show you that custom rooms and unlocked bootloaders don't mean everything. I'm perfectly content with my hdx and there's nothing I can't do on it that any other tablet could do.
[Kindle Fire HDX 7" & 8.9" General] icedtrip:
And honestly, [MENTION=5749760]ggow[/MENTION] 's ROM is great and he is constantly working through all the bugs. His ROM is what has kept me from tossing this thing to the side in favor of something else. With the upcoming release of Fire OS 4.0 (based on KitKat), I'm curious how rootable it will be. Now I'm not sure what could be gained with using a newer kernel on a ROM like ggow's, and although I'm getting use out of my HDX as it is, things can still get better on down the road.

Also, I am one of those types that continues to hope. It's obvious that this tablet can be unlocked, so I like to think that it is just a matter of time before someone comes along and releases something. Again, I like to still have a little hope.
[Kindle Fire HDX 7" & 8.9" General] Hanzo.Hasashi:
If jcase isn't going for the unlock, someone else who doesn't care about dmca will. And honestly you guys over in America are so scared with such copyright infringement things, that sometimes it's really funny. There are dozens of ways to release that thing without having to worry about "the law", but that's another story. Way to go jcase you've done a great job and contributed much to this community nevertheless.

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[Kindle Fire HDX 7" & 8.9" General] gutts10:
lol its a very legitimate scare. i think you forget we live under a govt where we cant fart without the NSA knowing. also, the court system is set up where even if a company (ie amazon) does not have sufficient evidence they can sue you anyway and hold you up in court for years and hundreds of thousands of dollars later. money like that is chump change to amazon so they wouldnt mind doing it. goin to a local starbucks and anonymously releasing a exploit doesnt protect you. there many ways to find out where you live and who you are. it would be harder for me as i live in NYC and my local starbucks has 1000s of customers a day and i live in a high density area where the closest XDA member is prob within a block. imagine if you live in a rural neughborhood where you the only XDA member for hundreds of miles.... wouldnt be hard to track you down.

i understand what your saying but its a legitimate scare. its not easy to anonymously release something bc theres always a (electronic) paper trail. i wouldnt risk/release it either.
[Kindle Fire HDX 7" & 8.9" General] Wulfpk:
I agree with gutts, don't laugh until you've lived here. As jcase, you've been awesome thanks for trying. Cheers !

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[Kindle Fire HDX 7" & 8.9" General] icedtrip:
I had the same thought originally, and I like to think I would be smart enough to be able to anonymously release anything. The truth is....it's not worth the risk.

On top of that, doing so anonymously can forfeit the bounties as well as any kind of donations, etc for the hard work. Sure, things can be released for free, but some people's motivation for these things (besides the "because I can" reason) can come down to the bounties, etc.
[Kindle Fire HDX 7" & 8.9" General] aaronkatrini:
Lets say Hi to the guy who had the Gutts!!!:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9iUvuaChDEg
[Kindle Fire HDX 7" & 8.9" General] mrkhigh:
Um and it landed him in court with the ps3. This thread needs closed
[Kindle Fire HDX 7" & 8.9" General] EncryptedCurse:
Bitcoin is always an option. :good:
[Kindle Fire HDX 7" & 8.9" General] icedtrip:
HAHA.... touché
[Kindle Fire HDX 7" & 8.9" General] gabrielgallo90:
Android is based on Linux and Linux is open source, so it is not the same as a ps3 or similar products
[Kindle Fire HDX 7" & 8.9" General] icedtrip:
Android itself is open source, which is why Amazon is required to release certain things when they release a new version of their OS (granted they haven't always been that great at it, or punctual), but the bootloader is a different thing.

Same can be said about OS X and iOS. Originally based off variations of Unix that built NeXTSTEP and later OS X. That's why Darwin exists, but that doesn't mean that everything in OS X and iOS is open source. Simple way of looking at it, Darwin, Android / AOSP, etc are; iOS, Fire OS, etc are not.

PS3 originally allowed you to install Linux on it, but that didn't mean that everything about the PS3 was open source. Same goes for these devices. When you talk about the device and the manufacturer, open source doesn't necessarily apply to the "device". So sadly I would have to say it is very similar.
[Kindle Fire HDX 7" & 8.9" General] Hanzo.Hasashi:
But honestly, Google should do something about Amazon. I mean they are using Android and are "forbidding" all the gapps. You can't even use Google maps! How pervert is this?? What did they think in the first place. They put a hell of a hardware in that thing and raped the Android OS. They don't allow widgets, they don't even allow you to have backgrounds!! How retarded is all this? Even ios is more user friendly and open source than this thing!
[Kindle Fire HDX 7" & 8.9" General] mrkhigh:
So you bought a product with a locked boot loader and are angry about the os you knew you were buying.

Amazon did not intend on using play store or even pages for wall paper to be present on. They designed the device you bought. This stuff is just the fun to be had with it. If you expect it then you chose poorly.
[Kindle Fire HDX 7" & 8.9" General] Hanzo.Hasashi:
It was a gift . It's just a matter of time before I drop it and move on (New nexus maybe) since there is no light in the tunnel.
[Kindle Fire HDX 7" & 8.9" General] Hanzo.Hasashi:
Double post
[Kindle Fire HDX 7" & 8.9" General] gabrielgallo90:
But the Linux kernel starts a bootloader locked by Amazon, ie they are failing conditions of open source.
[Kindle Fire HDX 7" & 8.9" General] rumblpak:
I don't think you understand how the boot process works. The bootrom has nothing to do with linux, in fact, it is usually just assembly to turn on the hardware and secure the device prior to running signed code. There is no reason for the bootrom to be open source because it operates before linux is even run.
[Kindle Fire HDX 7" & 8.9" General] v941726:
How come I can't find anything about a recovery? Such as TWRP. The Kindle is a keeper. Hardware wise. As the person previously said, mine is a gift too. It has value. The Fire OS isn't too bad either. I'm rooted and have gapps.

Overall, I can't find much info on the Kindle. I'm surprised. It's better than my N10.

But nothing about a recovery or changing the lock screen and seemingly simple things
[Kindle Fire HDX 7" & 8.9" General] mrkhigh:
The recovery can't be installed and used without a boot loader. They have something in Dev called safestrap what this does is hijack the booting process and allows you to install stock based custom Roms.