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[Galaxy Tab S Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] qcjulle:
The first thing I do when I get a new Android device is to install Nova. You can't get rid of the Touchwiz bloat just by changing the launcher, it goes way deeper than that. Apple also makes consumer tablets with emphasis on eye candy, but for some reason their devices run smooth and Samsung's don't.
[Galaxy Tab S Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] mitchellvii:
Oh well. Hope you solve your lag problems.

Sent from my SM-T700

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My tablet runs as smooth as an iPad.

Sent from my SM-T700
[Galaxy Tab S Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] CyberManiaK:
By the nature of Android it can't run as smooth as iOS, even Project Butter didn't solve it. Also you can have a very good read at this topic http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=2489041

BTW: You didn't saw the latest videos i uploaded right? Can you tell that you don't see the jerkiness ?
[Galaxy Tab S Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] kenkiller:
he doesn't see anything. :D
[Galaxy Tab S Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] pibach:
Take resent apps, for example, there's some milliseconds lag to react on the button and then another to pop up the GUI. While on iPad that goes instantly.
[Galaxy Tab S Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] xioner:
Is installing CM, on my new tab s 8.4 a bad idea? I know it's say device is still in development for it but I'm getting frustrated with touchwiz automatically installing useless apps like NYTIMES and crap like that. And I feel like it's eating my ram for no reason whatsoever. If not CM is there anything else available or do I have to wait a month/few months I can do so? I saw that CM works well with tab pro 8.4 but the only difference between the two is the hardware correct?

I'm new to this forum and if I've broken any rules I apologise. I hope I can get some help & advice, thanks in advance.
[Galaxy Tab S Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] NixxonExxo:
You can disable the NY Times app. Any other annoying bloatwares that can't be disabled you can go to Google play and disable auto update individually. Personally i think someone here with a background in law should sue samsung for crippling or device with unwanted softwares. Someone already have in samsung homeland Korea and he won so now samsung have a limit number of necessary apps and people have the option to uninstall any apps with an ease of a button.
[Galaxy Tab S Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] pibach:
What is the best way to debloat the tab when on stock ROM and rooted? Maybe a list of most resource consuming crap would help as well. Probably svoice is top of the list, etc.
[Galaxy Tab S Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] kenkiller:
Titanium backup
[Galaxy Tab S Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] HANSB57:
Maybe this can help.

http://xdaforums.com/galaxy-tab-s/help/debloating-t2805503
[Galaxy Tab S Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] NixxonExxo:
Forget debloating. I just want a clean goolgle android os on this tablet. Heres to hoping. :D
[Galaxy Tab S Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] mach281:
I just purchased the S 10.5 (non LTE) but have concerns before I even open it about this lag issue. Has anyone heard if the LTE/Snapdragon 800 cpu solves the stuttering issues noted here?
[Galaxy Tab S Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] CyberManiaK:
If you go for the LTE make sure that in fact has the snapdragon combo, because so far all I have been reading even the LTE's are shipping with the exynos.

Well I just got today a galaxy tab pro 8.4 which has the snapdragon 800/adreno 330 and still have the tab s and is night and day, i'm starting to believe that the culprit is the gpu on the exynos. Web browsing on the pro is WAYYY better than the tab s. I'm not having that weird stuttering, also have not experienced any of the typing lag I was getting on the tab s.

I did some tests using multiwindow doing the same on both tablets and running cpu-z, both use the same frecuency for the same tasks but the tab s registers the keystrokes later, browsing on the pro is butter smooth using the same browser so thix leads me to believe the mali gpu is not up to the task.

So at the end i think i will return the tab s, ofcourse i will miss the amoled screen but i prefer to have an enjoyable experience than having deep blacks.
[Galaxy Tab S Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] thunderstruck!:
I guess the question would then be is it the GPU or is it bad coding of the OS? If the GPU is up to the task, a firmware update might help with the problem. Maybe some of the operations the GPU is performing would be better off running on the main processor. The screen is drop dead gorgeous and I was all set to buy one until I started reading the threads here about battery life and stuttering/hesitation.
[Galaxy Tab S Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] doubledeckersoulwrecker:
I don't like to use my Tab S...

A year ago I bought my first Samsung tablet, a Tab 3 8.0. Liked it very much, but when the Pro series came out I ditched the tab 3 and bought the Pro. First mistake. I sent the Pro 8.4 back to Samsung twice because the touch response was so terrible. Then the Tab S came out and I love my Galaxy S5's amoled screen (and the phone in general) so I ditched the Pro and got the Tab S 8.4. Second mistake. I can't stand using it for surfing the web, pages are slow to load, touch response isn't great (I'm always selecting something I don't want to ) and the overall experience is a bad one and I end up using my S5 instead. I've tried different launchers, different browsers, factory resets and nothing has made using this tablet any more fluid. I like to watch Netflix or videos on it, but other than that, it's more of a hassle to use. I read so many people having wonderful experiences with their Tab S but mine has finally pushed me away from Samsung tablets.
[Galaxy Tab S Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] mach281:
Your feedback is much appreciated. FWIW, the word on the street is that Samsung never put an LTE chip on their Exynos SoC. If correct, all LTE versions would have to be Snapdragon. It should be easy to validate what chip a tablet is using since Samsung labels the boxes with the cpu speeds on the back. So if it shows 2.3ghz it would be Snapdragon.

Unfortunately, a google search brings up one offering of the LTE Tab S 10.5 at over $620 with only 16GB storage. That's a little rich, and I want at least 32GB internal. So, I will stick with my Note 8 a while longer.

Good Luck with your Tab Pro.
[Galaxy Tab S Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] CyberManiaK:
Yeah maybe if the CPU handle more operations, the problem will go away, but I don't understand what could be the cause, maybe the Mali GPU is more prone to drop frames, Unfortunately I don't have another exynos 5420/mali T628 to make a comparison. However if this problem is software related I doubt there will be any fix 1st. If not everybody notice the problem and complain Samsung will not do anything. 2nd. Dev support for for the exynos will always be way behind of snapdragon variants, so the chances to get a dev and correct the problem will be very slim and we will never see an AOSP rom for the Tab S. So knowing that a fix is on a "maybe". This is an expensive gamble that I will not take the risk. Now I understand why Samsung is pushing a lot the promotions for the Tab S :(

I'm starting your journey, and though exactly the Tab S is going to be a wonderful tablet to replace my ipad 2 (wifi is failing), and though well my S4 runs pretty smooth so the tab S must act in a similar way but that's not the case.

The problem I see is that reviewers only test them for a couple of days and that's it, and everybody is impressed by the screen. So then they forget to focus on what is also important, Web browsing and scrolling. All the youtube videos reviews only test them scrolling at a very fast speed which is not accurate at all, I don't know anybody who is able to read or use a tablet at that speed.

Yeah that was with all previous variants, but with the Tab S is not happening as usual. The Tab S LTE's have the exynos combo. See this thread

http://xdaforums.com/galaxy-tab-s/help/lte-model-snapdragon-t2842537

Yeah if you can physical check the box then there will be no doubts on which cpu it has, but ordering online will be a gamble, and mostly because everywhere says that the LTE uses the Snapdragon, which is not true.

In my honest opinion, if your note 8 is working right now and don't need to replace it right away, you should wait to see what is announced on september/october.
[Galaxy Tab S Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] kenkiller:
While a Snapdragon may not make a phone/tablet instantly perfect, the Exynos is consistently crappy on ALL the hardware it has appeared.

Make of that what you wish. :(
[Galaxy Tab S Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] thunderstruck!:
I wonder if hassling the sites that gave it such glowing reviews to have a second, in depth look and not just a 10 minute test drive would pressure Samsung enough to get the issue resolved. If enough people say they aren't going to buy one until Samsung uses a better processor maybe we can effect a change. I saw the tablet at Costco, I said "DAMN!" over the screen, they went to a few web sites that all gave it great reviews. I decided to think it over, came home, logged on here and that's when the reality distortion field from the 10 minute reviews stated to peel away. It's a killer screen, but for over $500 I expect a tablet that doesn't lag or stutter.
[Galaxy Tab S Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] deli2011:
Sigh I didn't realise the TAB S 8.4 LTE is using the Exynos chip, else I won't even buy it. Kinda regret now and feels like selling it away. :crying:
[Galaxy Tab S Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] CyberManiaK:
Finally a reviewer which clearly notice the weird behavior

http://androidandme.com/2014/08/news/samsung-galaxy-tab-s-10-5-performance-benchmarks-vs-reality/

What he is saying is exactly what I was having on my Tab S

After a lot debating myself and trying to get used to the Tab S. I return it, and learned not to buy anything with an exynos chip.
[Galaxy Tab S Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Inkedadrenaline:
I still think they made a bad batch of these. I bought mine the first week it came out and here I am now still have yet to have any issues others reported and have literally zero lag. I play clash of clans for 2hrs straight at night sometimes and still have zero lag...

Things I've done :

10.5 32gb WiFi model

Rooted/removed all apps I don't use

Installed Nova Launcher and Uninstalled all TW/magazine stuff.

Used Samsung DVFS disabler(found in play store used thru xposed)

Adaway to remove ads

That's it. No roms, haven't even installed a recovery. And couldn't be happier and I am anal when it comes to lag and responsiveness...
[Galaxy Tab S Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] CyberManiaK:
Well I don't think they are bad batches because I went to sears and the demo had the same problem, then went to best buy and the same. Also i pointed the problems to the sellers, at first they didn't notice anything but onces pointed they agree with me, even they took out their personal phones S5 and S4 and said ohh yeahh this behavior is not normal.
[Galaxy Tab S Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Eddie Hicks:
Maybe because after owning 2 pretty bad ASUS tablets my expectation is low but I'm not having any noticeable issues with my 10.5 S. It runs very smoothly for me. There may be lag and the sort, but if there is it's not to a degree that it cause me concern. I understand that some people look for perfection and may notice or are bothered by things that are not noticed by others. Most owners probably do not come on xda and find that their device do not live up to some standard according to more critical users. They probably just enjoy their tablet doing what they do and not thinking about the issues some here are concerened about. I know personally if I didn't read this forum I wouldn't know there were issues with this tablet. I also know as a person that has been building my own desktops since 386 systems with DOS 3.0 that you will never find a perfect computing system. They all have their little quirks. The quirks you find unacceptable may not be an issue with others.
[Galaxy Tab S Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Inkedadrenaline:
Ya I thought the s5 had a lot of stutters as well. That's why I got rid of it and went back to my note 3. I had ZERO lag on both of my rooted S4s tho.
[Galaxy Tab S Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] CyberManiaK:
Yeah i'm with you. The problem with the Tab S is that it was causing me headache because that jumpiness while scrolling reading. And I found it weird because none of my devices has ever caused a headache, I can be reading for full 4 hours non stop without a problem, but the Tab S after 30 minutes of usage it was causing me the headache.

Yeah my S4 is pretty smooth also, and that smoothness was what I was looking in tablet.
[Galaxy Tab S Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Inkedadrenaline:
Ya honestly if all you want is the smoothest scrolling you should get an iPad. Now I don't say that with sarcasm, I mean it seriously. I know XDA people won't agree but I'm not a dedicated sheep to one side or the other. I love all electronics lol. Apple is definitely the smoothest operating devices out, they just have zero features and customability. I just bought my wife a brand new iPad a couple weeks ago and it's butter scrolling.
[Galaxy Tab S Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] CyberManiaK:
Well i agree with you the ipad has a very smooth/consistent operation I already have an iPad 2( I'm waiting for the next ipad) I really hope the next gen has 2gb of ram.

And the Android tablet I want it for other things my iPad can't do lol example: carry my 10gb of maps/tracks for offline usage while doing 4x4 so GPS and microSD is a must for me. So I will end with the pro 8.4 and an iPad, the pro 8.4 that I bought after the Tab S, is 100% better than the Tab S sure it can compare with the smoothness of the iPad but is not too far behind, well at least is tolerant lol.
[Galaxy Tab S Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] moSess:
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=YHXahMDDXJ8

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=eqlAqk6om2s
[Galaxy Tab S Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] CyberManiaK:
But lets wait to somebody jump here and say " I don't see lag there" lol... And damn dude your is worst than it was on mine..
[Galaxy Tab S Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] moSess:
I put the links in a few threads and one of the resposes was that they didn't have these issues as they are running stock launcher and stock keyboard..... Sad

This price point this far along in android means this is sad ?
[Galaxy Tab S Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] kenkiller:
Hehe....and the singular bozo commenting on these videos keep saying Apex, which run fine on all the current devices out there, isn't optimized enough to run on the Tab S.

Blind men will remain blind. :D
[Galaxy Tab S Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] fletch33:
i was the "sad" reply in one of your other repetitive posts and i guess my word is not good enough.

Watch My S Results

when someone post that they do not have the same issues as you maybe you should consider it possible? no idea why yours does this and maybe it needs to be replaced?
[Galaxy Tab S Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] NerdFurgison:
Just throwing my experience out there, I've had my exynos 8.4 a few weeks now and have noticed zero lag I couldn't be happier with it, and I have owned many devices starting back in the eclair days. I am a snapdragon fan and was on the fence about buying this tab because of the exynos but I'm glad I did I'm happy with the performance. Maybe I just got lucky. Can you check the cpu binning on this tab like you can with snapdragon devices? I'm curious if those with lag maybe have a slower binned soc
[Galaxy Tab S Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Eddie Hicks:
I don't get it, my tablet doesn't behave like that at all. When I scroll it scrolls instantly and smoothly. The scroll down notification screen you call curtain on my tablet scrolls down instantly everytime with absolutely no hesitation. I am rooted and using Nova launcher so that may be partly why I'm not experiencing what I see on your video. As I mentioned in a previous post I had bad experience with 2 ASUS tablets. Because of that I was determined not to go through that a third time. If my tablet was doing what yours was doing in that video I would have returned it too. But believe me or not, I am not experiencing that with my 10.5 tab.
[Galaxy Tab S Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] fletch33:
i am not root and Stock and posted a video a couple posts back of proof that when i say i dont get this lag etc.. on mine you can actually see i dont have it.

no idea what makes 1 unit better than another but there has to be something to this? maybe a particular app or apps that cause issues either from Samsung or Play?
[Galaxy Tab S Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] CyberManiaK:
Well I don't have anymore my Tab S 10.5, I returned. But will be interesting what somebody found for the PVS
[Galaxy Tab S Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Leonart:
As I use my Tab S 8.4 more, I'm beginning to witness a lot of stuttering.

For example, I was using Evernote, and the animations when opening notes had noticeable stuttering. EDIT: For what it's worth, Evernote is actually pretty choppy on my Nexus 4 as well, so it may just be a poorly optimized app. My other comparisons still stand though.

I visited newyorker.com in Firefox, and there's noticeable stuttering as well when scrolling down. The navigation menu would cause the browser to freeze briefly. Chrome was quite a bit faster, but still not truly smooth. In comparison, my Nexus 4 actually handles the site in Firefox a lot better -- for the most part the scrolling is perfectly smooth and consistent, except when scrolling extremely fast and over large distances. Certainly the site is being rendered at a much lower resolution on my Nexus 4. However, if it's the resolution that's at fault, then that would mean the device were underpowered for its display. In fact, I wonder how the performance might be at 1920x1200, and if that would even look good on the display.

It's not even necessarily outright stuttering sometimes as much as it is frame drops on certain animations and transitions. Again, I'm using my Nexus 4 for comparison right now, and the app drawer opens with zero lag and I can scroll through multiple pages of it and it's smooth as butter. Apps start instantly. I cannot say the same for my Tab S.

My Tab S is de-bloated and I only had one app running at a time for my tests, and I'm currently using Nova launcher.

Granted, my stuttering is not nearly as bad as moSess. But it's unbecoming of a device with this price point, in my opinion.

I'm hoping it's something that can be fixed, but it might make more sense to return it than hold my breath? I think the problem is that I really want to love this tablet but it's starting to look like I can't.
[Galaxy Tab S Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] CyberManiaK:
that's why some notice that, and mostly is people that are coming from really smooth devices :( Not to discourage you, but I wouldn't have high hopes that the Tab S will get a lot of development.

If you are rooted, you might be able to do some build.prop hacks and see if that help, this will involve a lot of trial and error.
[Galaxy Tab S Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Leonart:
One other thing, it seems like the LTE equivalent has a Snapdragon processor. I'd be interested in knowing how that performs relative to this Exynos. Sadly, the 8.4 LTE is about $100 more, and is kind of hard to find since it doesn't seem to be intended for use in the United States.
[Galaxy Tab S Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] NerdFurgison:
I have a nexus 4 as well and also a g3 and like I said my tab s has zero lag even when compared to these devices, and the g3 is no slouch. But again maybe I just got lucky
[Galaxy Tab S Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] CyberManiaK:
Currently the snapdragon lte is a myth only lol... All of the Tab S LTE are using Exynos. Maybe in a couple of months we will be able to see the sanpdragon variants.

Or maybe you are not to sensitive. And thats why you are not able to see it.
[Galaxy Tab S Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] NerdFurgison:
I wouldn't say that, the lag on some devices almost drove me away from android in the early days. I went crazy rooting and modding my old captivate to try to get the lag away. A and that's definitely not the only device I had with lag issues just probably the worst. I'm wondering if we could activate the art runtime and that might fix some people's lag issues. Or does touch wiz not play nice with art? Been awhile since I had a Sammy. I know art made my n4 smooth as silk
[Galaxy Tab S Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] moSess:
Returned it yesterday. New Tab S is running better. Now I just have to decide if I want to stay on this UI for the next couple of years as aosp will remain difficult for this tab. It's just stick a resource hog. I like the elegance of vanilla

Sounds like quality control issues

I run the same apps on all my devices. If one can handle them fine, my note 3, and another cannot, that is a fragmentation issue. Which sucks. 2014 people

unbecoming is saying it nicely. Bs is more like it. At this price point I want more. The nexus 8,or 9,I'm sure will not have this issue. But no upgradeable memory. Which is why I like this tab S

Woe is me....