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[G2 Themes and Apps] defcomg:
Yeah I've seen it been used in the app A Better Camera

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Will give the stacking a try thanks

I wanna try this digital-photography-school.com/hdr-vertorama-photography-create-mind-bending-images/ has anyone tried this?
[G2 Themes and Apps] solfx:
Hmmm interesting, I can add this feature in the future :)
[G2 Themes and Apps] 60nine:
2 steps from being the best camera app :)

1. jpeg preview (dng+jpeg save at the same time)

2. remote shutter

here are the 2 pics taken yesterday with mi2raw (edited in psp express afterwards)
[G2 Themes and Apps] 1bayne:
Downloading now thanks op
[G2 Themes and Apps] kryogenik:
Really nice shots.
[G2 Themes and Apps] 60nine:
thanks - its more because of the location (Bohinj lake area, Slovenia) then the shots themselves :)
[G2 Themes and Apps] akshaypatil869:
Here it is. :D

Nothing special you see, just improvised with what I had. Adjust the mouse pointer and you're done.

For others who wanted to checkout the difference with stacking high iso images.

This was at iso 650.

And after median stacking.

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Besides the ones above are 80% cropped of the original.
[G2 Themes and Apps] kryogenik:
Beautiful country.

I'm in the south of Ireland at the moment. Weather is crap at the mo but will post some pics when it picks up.
[G2 Themes and Apps] defcomg:
Made a flickr Group for all to share your images added some https://www.flickr.com/groups/2719155@N21/
[G2 Themes and Apps] jack-black:
Anyone else besides me gets white halo effect around highlights? Here's what I am talking about : http://dropmefiles.com/yQVMq
[G2 Themes and Apps] Shriac:
Will this work on cloudy G3 1.3 rom.
[G2 Themes and Apps] wulsic:
Those pictures are insane for an phone :laugh::good:

I wonder or the nexus 5 gets support too later and I wonder how it will look like from the nexus 5 camera.
[G2 Themes and Apps] gypsy214:
These pictures are beautiful... Just wish I knew more how to take them like this.Pictures I taken with this app doesnt look as good as that... Are you guys editing these pics? Using photoshop or an app?
[G2 Themes and Apps] defcomg:
I Used Photoshop but now it gives me not enough memory errors aging PC so I switched to Light Room 5

follow this guy's tutorials www.youtube.com/channel/UCyaDDjiNgWX-uRXOx6LPsYQ

I do his basic workflow

Click Default

bring down highlights

Bring up shadows if needed to get a more balanced image

bring up whites without clipping

bring down blacks without clipping

Some Clarity

then set white balance to auto or use wb sample tool on something neutral/grayish

then adjust Exposure in the case Clouds/sky is blown I use subtract

then I adjust contrast most of the time I leave and adjust it the curves/selective color .

to break away from his workflow I disable acr/lr Sharpening and I use either Calvin Hollywood's freaky detail method or high pass or my favorite lab sharpening

oh yeah I do the vignetting stuff set it to about 50 move mid point to the left then remove chromatic aberration for example your image may have some weird green specs or outlines around certain objects you can remove them I do not denoise all my images but if I need to dxo or RawTherapee does a better job than Photoshop.

For B&W I use HSL to produce the images then adjust the different colors
[G2 Themes and Apps] jack-black:
dng 1.4 compression does not seem to work with any of my installed programs. Tried with Lightroom 5 and Gimp/UFRAW - no luck. Can you give a link to an intepreter which can understand dng 1.4 format?
[G2 Themes and Apps] defcomg:
Yeah Perhaps its the shirt lowering the Exposure makes it less noticeable an adjustment brush around glowing area and lowering exposure might be able to fix it anyway did my take on it https://flic.kr/p/owjbJd

is this shot on a g2? didn't know g2 ISo went below 100
[G2 Themes and Apps] jack-black:
yes, it's g2. I've set iso to auto, otherwise didn't change anything.

PS. https://flic.kr/p/owjbJd lol, you totally ruined the colors :laugh:
[G2 Themes and Apps] defcomg:
lol so much for the vintage look haha
[G2 Themes and Apps] gypsy214:
Thank you very much.... On a personal opinion. Witch would you recommend photoshop or lightroom? I can get either one from my cousin.
[G2 Themes and Apps] defcomg:
Personally I would recommend Photoshop the only issue I have with it after updating to CC it requires a lot of ram my PC is aged so 4gb of ram is not enough anymore if you got 4gb+ i would recommend it as you can do more on it if you just need basic photo editing and Ram is an issue go with Light Room the only other plus of LR it easier to manage lots of photos
[G2 Themes and Apps] gypsy214:
I have a 4GB ram.. I may just see if I can get a another version of Photoshop that doesnt use that much of ram and it goes smooth
[G2 Themes and Apps] defcomg:
CC will be fine as long as you don't do luma denoise to morethan one image in ACR I think Camera Raw Filter is the issue I haven't updated in a while give it a try it maybe an issue on my machine
[G2 Themes and Apps] xdabbeb:
Excellent work! Definitely the cleanest/fastest solution I've seen for raw capture.

You're correct that the stock G2 never went below 100, but the modified driver/binary package I put together does allow an iso of 50. Unfortunately, it isn't an exposed key. I would guess it could be addressed natively, but I haven't looked into it much.
[G2 Themes and Apps] 60nine:
4 gb is enough for photoshop to work just fine (especially if you don't have a bunch of other apps opened in the same time)... what u need is a quick scratch disk (ssd preffered) for temp photoshop files...

btw for editing raw photo(s) - lightroom is much better, especially if you have more than one photo to handle (since photoshop can open only one raw image at a time unless you open, edit raw parameters, save as jpeg/tiff, and open another raw image)
[G2 Themes and Apps] defcomg:
how is iso 50 compared to 100 on the g2
[G2 Themes and Apps] gypsy214:
Thank you guys for the help... I dont have much experience with neither photo editing but I put this raw file on my cousin's laptop and used photoshop cc. Now the file saved as jpg but it lowered the file size way low to. Im sure there is probably a way to save to pngs and have full size. Either way here is the picture I edited a little from the raw file of my dog. https://www.dropbox.com/s/bt2v4j421o90zan/IMG_120493302877854.jpeg
[G2 Themes and Apps] xdabbeb:
While it isn't halving post-sensor gain as it would seem imply, it is certainly applying less...which is always a good thing :) My guess would be they put it in b/c Samsung did.
[G2 Themes and Apps] defcomg:
looks good I dunno how you got your dog to pose for that shot.

I don't really worry about saving the files to jpeg/png as I always keep the dng's which have adjustments saved when saving I just drag jpeg quality slider to the end
[G2 Themes and Apps] gypsy214:
She's a natural lol. I have several pictures of her posing for the camera lol joke. I like that g2 shutter speed is fast.
[G2 Themes and Apps] solfx:
AFAIK, these sensors' native ISO is 100. In this case ISO 50 might mean 0.5x analog gain (and therefore should be avoided), which exists for the situation when max shutter speed is reached. :cowboy:
[G2 Themes and Apps] xdabbeb:
There's no such thing as a native iso for a digital sensor as all iso "settings" are just post-sensor gain factors to compensate for downstream inadequacies. Is there a reason you would recommend avoiding less gain? My understanding is that it would generally be better, but I may not be understanding what you're saying.
[G2 Themes and Apps] solfx:
Regarding the native ISO, I'm sure. I'm just not sure which one is for IMX135.

The term "Digital sensor" is inaccurate. The sensor is an 2-d array of photo-сells (photoelectric cells) with a layer of color-filtered micro-lenses. On each readout, each cell sends the voltage it accumulated during the exposure time to the analog amplifier (usually there are 3-4 amplifiers on the sensor). After that it goes to the A/D (analog to digital) converter, which also defines the max bit depth. Only now the digital data is available, already "gained". Since the analog amplifiers have limited gain points (for example 1.0x, 2.0x, 4.0x and so on...) creating weird gain like 2.3645x will be done with digital gain compensation in this stage (usually for resolving exposure time limitation like reaching exposure for anti-banding with accurate ev).

Native ISO is gain 1.0x, i.e. both analog and digital amps mentioned above are set to 1.0x - no gain is performed.
[G2 Themes and Apps] xdabbeb:
I think we're just using different terms. What you're calling "native iso" is just something I had learned was a (widely-used) misnomer in digital photography...and, yes, I know the sensor itself is analog. If I'm understanding you correctly I believe you're referring to the base iso at which the photo diodes reach full well and provide a near full range signal to the A/D without the use of additional post-sensor analog gain. In truth there is always some analog gain in the circuit.

I'm not sure if the 50 is the base iso for the imx135 either, but follow me here...Even if we assume it is 100 (as Sony tends to be), I still don't see how using 50 is inherently "bad". If base is 100 and the circuit can't apply less gain then the only other way to do it would be to adjust exposure. While a push (i.e. achieving an effective iso of 125 from 100) should be avoided as it results in reduced highlight headroom AND increases shadow noise, a pull (i.e. stepping down to 50 from 100) would also reduce highlight headroom BUT would also reduce the amount of shadow noise...which is a big problem with tiny cmos sensors in smartphones.

Anyway, sorry to derail the thread...I could talk about this stuff forever. Thanks again for sharing your work.
[G2 Themes and Apps] solfx:
Indeed, we talk on similar stuff in different terms. I'm sorry I had to run into trivial details - I did it to fall in line and to keep other users (those who maybe not familiar with this) on track.

The IMX135 has 10bit AD. 0.5x digital gain leaves you exactly with 9 bits. 9 bits of linear raw data - may lead to gradient banding after sRGB gamma and of course no room for grading.

This trick, indeed, works nice for video in Canon DSLRs - the target bit depth of the video is 8 bit while the AD in the sensor is 14 bit (16 times 10 bit). So ISO160 (which is ISO 200 * 0.8 digital), for example, looks better than ISO100 in terms of shadow noise. But if you shoot stills with DSLR, stick to analog gain points (usually log base 2 of native) just to avoid loosing accuracy.

If ISO 50 was a good working point I assume that vendors would use it in their AAA algorithms more often than only when with ISO 100 exposure time passes 1/2000. On the other hand, they don't always know what they are doing :)

I can talk about this stuff forever too....:good:
[G2 Themes and Apps] solfx:
Works for me in Camera Raw 8.6. Could you share a sample file?
[G2 Themes and Apps] solfx:
And a new version is out!
[G2 Themes and Apps] Dri94:
Are the pictures people are posting here post edit? If so can some post pre edit n post edit pics?
[G2 Themes and Apps] 60nine:
great, thanks...

i see the basic browser is included - nice touch... would be even better if when you click on an image a preffered editing app opens (or it asks you would you like to open it with "this or that")

for example - if i click on .dng file in my file manager, the image automatically opens in photoshop express...

just a suggestion, not a request... i hope you'll consider it...
[G2 Themes and Apps] thevinh.btr:
Computer cannot access mi2raw folder

Mi2raw folder hidden when i connect the phone to computer. others folder in DCIM is normal. I try all method usb connection but still hidden.

what's wrong??
[G2 Themes and Apps] akshaypatil869:
Happens to me too, I copy or move the files using LG file manager to another folder and then it becomes visible on pc. Try using wireless storage as well.
[G2 Themes and Apps] jack-black:
I noticed that I don't see the files if I connect via USB, but if I connect via wireless storage, then I can see all dng's in Mi2raw folder.

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OK, I have just installed Adobe DNG converter, and now Lightroom can import compressed dng's.
[G2 Themes and Apps] solfx:
Reboot the device... Its not Mi2Raw that causes it and I'm still trying to understand what does...

If you try to open a dng file in a standard file browser, does it have the option to open it with PSE?
[G2 Themes and Apps] bender_007:
^ as soon as you copy the whole folder to ... Let's say "downloads" folder it's visible. Happened also with some other apps.
[G2 Themes and Apps] 60nine:
yep... as i've said...

when you try to open .dng file from standard file manager for the 1st time, phone asks you what to do with it (open as text, audio or image file)

i selected image file and it asked me "do i want to open it with pixlr, photoshop express or snapseed"...

i choose psp express of course (because other ones don't support dng's), selected "always open with" and thats it...

now it opens with psp express every time
[G2 Themes and Apps] khaytsus:
ALL raw photos have some initial processing done to them. Without it, they'd be dull, dark, and colorless. Once the initial parameters are set, typically determined through testing of the specific camera using test targets, images are generally given that initial set of settings and you adjust from there.

If you mean someone processes a picture out without doing any adjustments, then one with adjustments... That's easy enough, but kind of pointless? If you don't want to make adjustments to the image parameters (exposure, color balance, contrast, sharpness, etc), this isn't the camera app for you.
[G2 Themes and Apps] solfx:
Done it and it works nicely :) Will be integrated into the next version

But PSE doesn't have white balance controls or any other raw related features. Have you seen another decent raw decoder app which shows itself in the list of apps when you open it from the standard file browser?
[G2 Themes and Apps] 60nine:
you misanderstood me :)

the file browser shows you all image editing apps you have installed, not other ones... (see screenshots)

since i alredy pointed file browser to psp express - when i click on "image" it opens .dng in psp express...

btw psp express has temperature option (screenshot)
[G2 Themes and Apps] jack-black:
I use Photo Mate R2, which works very well.
[G2 Themes and Apps] xdabbeb:
Manually triggering media scanner should make it show up. If you want to integrate that into your app you could do so like this:

Runtime.getRuntime().exec("am broadcast -a android.intent.action.MEDIA_MOUNTED -d file://" + Environment.getExternalStorageDirectory());

The need to execute it via shell is because of a KK-specific issue detailed here
[G2 Themes and Apps] solfx:
Works from standard browser?

OMG I missed all the temperature / tint / etc. controls in PSE :D Thanks for the screeshots

My implementation of the feature triggers only apps which support dng file format, so irrelevant apps won't be even shown
[G2 Themes and Apps] kryogenik:
Looks good, but I wouldn't pay for an app outright without a crippled/trial version to try first.

https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.tssystems.photomate2
[G2 Themes and Apps] jack-black:
What do you call a "standard browser"?
[G2 Themes and Apps] 60nine:
btw someone asked for before/after images...

here is one example (darker one is before editing)
[G2 Themes and Apps] jack-black:
Yeah, unfortunately they did not have any trial so I decided to take a risk. Works well enough and has almost all controls that I need. Does not read compressed dng's though.
[G2 Themes and Apps] solfx:
device's file browser
[G2 Themes and Apps] solfx:
:good: Y-o-u a-r-e g-o-d :good:
[G2 Themes and Apps] jack-black:
I have two file browsers installed - both of them from the Play store. Didn't know there was a standard browser? How do I open it? I have 'File Manager" and "Root File Explorer". The first one complains that the file type is not supported, when I tap on the dng file, the second suggests to complete action using one of the many installed apps, including Photo Mate.
[G2 Themes and Apps] solfx:
And if you choose Photo Mate, does it open the dng correctly?
[G2 Themes and Apps] jack-black:
yes, it does. Actually Photo Mate has it's own file browser and you can set your home folder to mi2raw's, so it's easier to go directly to Photo Mate and work from there.
[G2 Themes and Apps] Dri94:
That's not what i meant. I'm actually very skilled with photoshop but never had a nice camera so i don't have much experience with raw files. So i was wondering how the picture looks at first to know if my camera isn't working properly with the app or i just need to put in Photoshop.

(My computer is down so i couldn't just test it myself).

Thanks this us what i wanted! I can't wait to edit my pictures.
[G2 Themes and Apps] 60nine:
no problem... here is another example...

the weather that day was dull... rainy, cloudy, no sun at all...

i was taking images simultaniously with my mobile phone and olympus e620 dslr camera
[G2 Themes and Apps] jayt0625:
Nice camera app with very fast shutter speed. Now I just have to play around with the settings and read up on how to save and view the photos...
[G2 Themes and Apps] lauticol:
I absolutely love this app, it's simply perfect! Now I'm watching a lot of videos in Youtube so I can edit them in a more professional way.

I'll love to see and option to set the aperture time (don't know if it's possible, but I think some Lumia's can do it¿?), and maybe a way to turn the LED on so we can focus in the dark or use it as a support light (like if using a flashlight app).
[G2 Themes and Apps] Bwyan Benton:
There's no such thing as aperture time. I think you mean shutter speed. And yes some of the nokia lumias can do it to a max of 4 sec. Android cannot do it at this time do to a limitation. Not properly anyways.

I've been using this app for the last few days and the results are amazing. I work with Lightroom on a daily basis and these files are proper dng's. I probably will never use the built camera app anymore since I'm always in Lightroom everyday anyways editing photos. LG really needs to include this in an update to there camera.
[G2 Themes and Apps] lauticol:
Yes! I meant that, sorry, got messed up in the translation lol! I didn't have idea about that Android limitation, thanks for the info! I wanted a slower shutter speed as I'm getting a lot of noise even under the sun, and can't make it go away enough with Lightroom or Photoshop. Also I think i'll have to get some kind of holder with a tripod mount so I can play with it better!
[G2 Themes and Apps] Bwyan Benton:
Your seeing noise because the files are completely unprocessed. Thus no noise reduction applied. Slower shutter speeds under the sun will not help in fact they will just massively overexpose your photo to complete white without a nd filter. One thing you are doing is pixel peeping, that's how your seeing this noise. Do not pixel peep. Some of the best photos done by professionals are noisy as hell if you pixel peep them. Pixel peeping ruins the joy of capturing the moment. I've printed images at ISO 10000 with my Nikon d610 at 13X19 and they look amazing. If you pixel peep, you see the noise.

One thing I can help with hopefully is what I've been doing with these files from my g2 in Lightroom is setting my noise reduction at 20-25 and color noise at 100. Sharpening I set at about 50-55 with masking. My images are coming out fantastic, again if you pixel peep them you will see noise. But the more noise you remove the more detail you also lose so don't worry to much about the noise as photography is about capturing the moment my friend.
[G2 Themes and Apps] lauticol:
Thanks for the response, I'm not pixel peeping at all, is that I can see some purple pixels (noticeable without zooming in my monitor) in blues when shooting in mid-to-low light. I tried noise reduction in Lightroom but I usually have to set the noise reduction pretty high and I loose details. Thanks for the tips anyways, they are truly appreciated!
[G2 Themes and Apps] Bwyan Benton:
That's weird

Do you see that issue with the default camera app?

I'm not seeing any sort of issues like this at all on my phone.
[G2 Themes and Apps] lauticol:
Maybe it happened due to the bad white balance it had when I loaded it into Lightroom (the unedited DNG has a yellow tint), because unedited you can't really distinguish the purple pixels, but after you change to a more accurate white balance, there are those purple pixels showing up.

I took a similar picture with the default camera and it looks a lot less sharper, but without any purple colour. Also didn't notice them in other pictures I took, so maybe was just in that scenario
[G2 Themes and Apps] Bwyan Benton:
I do notice the yellow tint when loading them into Lightroom but it's no issue to correctly fix that with the white balance dropper. Hopefully it was only something in that scene you shot. And since you didn't notice it in other pics I'd say your ok. The default camera is completely useless to me now after using this app. I'm shocked how much sharper and better the images really are. Have fun with the app friend!
[G2 Themes and Apps] lauticol:
I totally agree, have been trying taking multiple exposure images and then turning them to HDR in Photoshop and they look a lot better than what the default camera's HDR mode. Would be nice to have some kind of HDR mode where it takes the underexposed, overexposed and the normal picture quicker than selecting exposures by yourself and messing the entire frame because of moving accidentally the phone.

Will take more pictures tomorrow and give more feedback, until now, it's very good :)
[G2 Themes and Apps] solfx:
I don't fully understand what do you mean, but I think you are talking about the typical shadow noise or hot pixels (http://www.kenrockwell.com/tech/hot-pixels/)

Anyway, ACR/Lightroom should handle it.

Raw image doesn't include white balance, each color channel is 1x amplified. The DNG header holds just the recommendation for the decoder (ACR for instance). Since (so far) I can't get the white balance recommendation from the phone, I've just put the white balance of day light for all :)
[G2 Themes and Apps] lauticol:
Well, it's not like hot pixels, they're not as sharp and are all over the dark areas of the picture. Can't really explain, will try to attach the image zoomed a bit so you can see.

But don't worry, I've taken some with daylight and with I could get amazing picures, really loving the RAW capture, it takes amazing photos for a phone!
[P3300, MDA Compact III General] thormdac:
@all, !!!!!TAKE CAUTION HERE, SEEMS TO LEAD TO VARIOUS PROBLEMS WITH DISABLING THE EXTROM CABS!!!!

see (german) post here:

http://www.ppc-welt.info/community/showthread.php?t=86251&highlight=Extended+Rom+unlocker+neo

go to post from crawltochina (post nr7 on first page) and download.

cheers
[P3300, MDA Compact III General] rionuj:
Very good !!!!!!!

I just did it and it's OK :D
[P3300, MDA Compact III General] Samson711:
PPC-Board

Interesting Discussion there in the WLAN Topic ;) Sounds so familiar ^^

I really Hope that T-Mobile did not order a device that is built by their individual wishes and has WLAN disabled by hardware. I don't Know how much T-Mobile Netherlands and T-Mobile Germany cooperate, regarding their "Buying Management" Maybe the Fact that NL Artemis comes with WLAN is sign enough ;)
[P3300, MDA Compact III General] rjs_artemis:
Thanxs!

Will try it tomorrow..
[P3300, MDA Compact III General] Imer:
It does not work for me :(

I can see a new folder "Ext_ROM2" and its content but cannot write inside nor copy files from it to an other place.

BR, Imer
[P3300, MDA Compact III General] victoradjei:
Not even with Totalcommander?
[P3300, MDA Compact III General] Imer:
I am using Resco Explorer 5.35. So you think Total Commander will succed ?