yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[Moto X General] N00BY0815:
Maybe a stupid question, but how about a trading thread? Or a database, where ppl like me who dont need their phone unlocked by all means trade their phone with ppl who want to soooo urgently have them unlocked? I bet there are enough ppl who dont mind a non-unlockable bootloader. I never had a phone before, where I didnt want to put a custom firmware on, but this phone really made it. It's just great (except for the cam, which also isnt that bad...).

Cheers
[Moto X General] samwathegreat:
Sounds like a reasonably good idea....but it would violate RULE # 7 of the forum rules. XDA would not allow it.
[Moto X General] m0yP:
Hey guys

I've sent my unlock code (Motorola-provided). Hope it helps.
[Moto X General] Verttex:
You can sell your device on Swappa with the bootloader unlocked. I've been looking to buy one there for awhile. I actually wish it had a requests system.
[Moto X General] mbkintner:
This exploit that may nor may not be released.... does it matter what software version is in use? Do we have enough details to know if it's safe to update to 4.4.4 without losing the ability to unlock the bootloader?
[Moto X General] samwathegreat:
No, we don't have such details. Updating might kill your chances of ever unlocking.

But again, as you correctly stated, at this point we don't even know if the exploit will ever be released.....

Have you checked into the "China Middleman"?
[Moto X General] mbkintner:
I was afraid of that. :(

Yes, I tried the China Middleman and got a refund about 2 days later. I believe my build date is July 2014. I don't have the phone in front of me right now to check.

Thanks
[Moto X General] samwathegreat:
Don't give up. A guy with a June 28th build date JUST got his code. Middleman might have just got a batch of new codes??
[Moto X General] mbkintner:
goomsfa Mass

Well, that sounds promising. I'll keep and eye on that thread.
[Moto X General] ThaSik1:
What's sad is that I only wish for the tool to be released so I can actually use blacked out apps instead of the blinding white ones (hangouts/G+/etc.)..Hopefully someone takes on the challenge of releasing soon or Google gets some coders to make a dark mode for their apps. No point in having an efficient screen with inefficient apps lol

Edit: My bad for throwing things OT. Just had to get a replacement MM and now stuck on stock so I'm constantly checking this thread :/
[Moto X General] mschumacher69:
Huh? Why do you believe an app with a white background is inefficient for the screen??
[Moto X General] N00BY0815:
[OT]Thats all OT and will end here. Its inefficient because Black pixels dont need any power, while white pixels do consume lots of energy. Google for amoled technology and read a bit. [/OT]
[Moto X General] mschumacher69:
That's only (partially) true for AMOLED screens, I say partially because it's only true for the pure black color where the pixels would be turned off, if the color is partially lighter than pure black, the pixels would actually light up and consume as much energy as pure white. It's actually brightness that matters the most, not the color (unless it is pure black of course).
[Moto X General] mushbert:
There's an Xposed module which removes the default background gradient, which I presume leaves them pure black... Not sure which apps this works in but it might be helpful for you.
[Moto X General] bashall:
http://blog.azimuthsecurity.com/2013/04/unlocking-motorola-bootloader.html

Is this old news?
[Moto X General] :
It says April 2013 at the top big as hell. That's as far as I needed to read.
[Moto X General] murso74:
So there might be a trade in program for the new x... Thinking I won't be unlocking my boot loader
[Moto X General] easting:
love to hear more about this....
[Moto X General] roemicha:
Our phone are only worth about $60. IMO not really worth it. Better off selling on eBay or Swappa.

Sent from my XT1058
[Moto X General] samwathegreat:
Yep, pretty ridiculous when (as you said) you can sell for more than triple that on Swappa.
[Moto X General] dutchy716:
What's this??? Check out [MENTION=373605]TheRoot[/MENTION]Ninja's Tweet: https://twitter.com/TheRootNinja/status/508081172568477696
[Moto X General] samwathegreat:
Interestingly, he just deleted that tweet!
[Moto X General] HardBoiledGregg:
So what was it?
[Moto X General] dutchy716:
Its still there for me. Sunshine is the S-off/bootloader unlock for HTC devices so it appears they are adding at least some moto devices too!
[Moto X General] wrldruler:
Image of a bootloader unlock confirmation screen. The previous tweet that has not been deleted reads "Hello Moto"
[Moto X General] samwathegreat:
That would be great....but....refresh it! The tweet is gone...

https://twitter.com/TheRootNinja/status/508081172568477696

"Sorry, that page doesn't exist"

It was there until 1 minute before I posted that he deleted it. Very much gone now.

I would LOVE LOVE LOVE Sunshine to support the X. $25 is still way less than middleman, and will work for those who are unable to get a code from him.

I've been saying that for....well...since early in this thread.
[Moto X General] aviwdoowks:
http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=53624322&postcount=1

Who is therootninja?
[Moto X General] samwathegreat:
?

We know what Sunshine is. We are wondering why there was a picture of the Moto BL Unlock Warning screen. And why that tweet mysteriously disappeared...
[Moto X General] aviwdoowks:
Not all of us do know :o

A Tease? Edit: Hello Moto=X?
[MENTION=2376614]jcase[/MENTION] are you working on this exploit? Please let us know.
[Moto X General] :
It still shows up for me.

---------- Post added at 04:11 AM ---------- Previous post was at 04:10 AM ----------

Tweet under it also says hello moto.
[Moto X General] wrldruler:
Just tried the current SunShine to see if it would recognize stock 4.4 Motorola MAXX, it does not.

"Sunshine can not be used on your current rom/Kernel combination."
[Moto X General] aviwdoowks:
Is it not tied to your imei somehow? Not in the way of the Chinese unlock but tied nonetheless.
[Moto X General] jcase:
myself and beaups, i control the twitter account

Motorola support is yet to be added to the version on the site, stay tuned (and dont update your phones)
[Moto X General] :
Great news from the man himself.
[Moto X General] samwathegreat:
WOW!!!!!!!!

NICE!!!! So it IS coming!!!

Hope those of you who ignored our advice to NOT update to 4.4.4 aren't out of luck...

Go Jcase!!!!
[Moto X General] easting:
If TheRootNinja is using Dan Rosenberg's method, is IMEI a consideration?
[Moto X General] wrldruler:
I would assume not. This likely exploits a vulnerability rather than using your IMEI to look up a valid unlock code.
[Moto X General] jcase:
We won't be making public the method it uses beyond saying it doesn't use a stolen database of unlock codes.
[Moto X General] easting:
I have an erection. And a paypal. I may be forced to use one of them.

Edit: Buy some wine.
[Moto X General] aviwdoowks:
Tied but not in the official or unofficial manor. As a payment check or the like
[Moto X General] jcase:
IMEI is irrelevant
[Moto X General] kdog350:
Well looks like I'm out of luck. Though even if I didn't update, a replacement moto x will probably come with 4.4.4 already on it.
[Moto X General] :
This thread has changed titles more than I have changed my underwear this week.
[Moto X General] EcHoFiiVe:
[MENTION=2509024]samwathegreat[/MENTION] PM sent.
[Moto X General] KidJoe:
Added unlock code for my X, and its info
[Moto X General] chrisp6825:
Is the collection not open to read?

tapa'd on my moto x
[Moto X General] nhizzat:
12345
[Moto X General] chrisp6825:
Lol dang, I read that when this thread popped up. I must have forgotten, and only remembered it was write only (through the question form), and started to assume a read-only copy would be accessible.

My bads. :P

tapa'd on my moto x
[Moto X General] dlumberg:
Remind me to change the combination on my luggage.
[Moto X General] samwathegreat:
SPACEBALLS!!! That's awesome. You're awesome ;) :good:

LMFAO
[Moto X General] dlumberg:
Spaceballs the forum post
[Moto X General] ryanzurlo88:
Idk if you got the model numbers yet for them. But I know the droid ULTRA is x1080. But anyways I submitted my code and info. Good luck on this theory. Cause I maybe going back to my droid ultra. Running Dev moto x right now. Miss my droid?
[Moto X General] sivarticus85:
Where's the link to view the spreadsheet? Am I just blind?
[Moto X General] :
This question is going to start to be every other post now.
[Moto X General] samwathegreat:
I just wanted to say "THANKS!" to all the ---jerks--- that are putting bogus info into the form.....like "12345", or the most recent "1".....yeah, thanks for the humor you're giving me. Including Mr. XDA username "a"...how original....

Nice to get a good laugh every now and then.....knowing I can simply erase your bogus data away with one simple keystroke... ;) LMAO
[Moto X General] chrisp6825:
I once was blind, but now I see.. That the opening post is free for all to read. ;P

tapa'd on my moto x
[Moto X General] sivarticus85:
I'm not talking about the form, I'm referring to the spreadsheet itself with the codes.
[Moto X General] Verttex:
We've answered this question multiple times in this thread. Please just read the previous pages of replies.
[Moto X General] sivarticus85:
I've read the last few pages, and all I'm seeing is the link to submit your code info and that's it. I do not see where said codes are listed, as I would like to try them on my own device.
[Moto X General] samwathegreat:
Not a good idea....we don't know if there is a threshold number of attempts to unlock that blows a q-fuse and PERMANENTLY locks your BL. Unless correlating data is found, none of this info will ever be released. (because it will be useless)
[Moto X General] sivarticus85:
Well I think we can agree I'm an idiot who can't read. Somehow I totally missed those posts, probably because I was looking for a link. My bad for not reading more carefully, I'm usually much better than this. Consider this my apology.

Thanks for the info Sam. You make a good point about blowing q-fuses, I had never considered that possibility. Lord knows how pissed I'd be if my BL was permanently locked. Hope you guys are able to generate some conclusions from the info you've received.
[Moto X General] chrisp6825:
I wish I had a spare X, and an appropriate unlock code. It'd be interesting to try multiple codes and see if it does permanently lock and reject the correct code.

Sadly, I feel this may be the only way to find out

tapa'd on my moto x
[Moto X General] samwathegreat:
Fan freakin tastic.

So the only question that people are going to overwhelm us with here is: Are those who updated to 4.4.4 recently out of luck?

The AT&T & Sprint variants got it fairly recently. Any idea if the TZ exploit is patched?
[Moto X General] aviwdoowks:
Does update to 444 fix the vulnerability? I thought not as the discovery came after the first Vzw 444. Later 444 updates, are likely patched then?
[Moto X General] :
I would think its patched. He said don't update your phones.
[Moto X General] samwathegreat:
After what? You seem to be basing your comment on the VZW variant. Several others, including AT&T and Sprint *JUST* got the update, and very likely is patched.

I warned everyone multiple times not to update if you wanted to take advantage of a future exploit. LONG ago.
[Moto X General] JooseyJay:
Can't you flash signed Roms from moto with the locked boot loader? Downgrade>exploit>profit?
[Moto X General] samwathegreat:
No, Never.

The bootloader / TZ cannot be downgraded. Ever.
[Moto X General] aviwdoowks:
Right you are but,

It seems to me that the momentum to push the updates out may :fingers-crossed: have overridden such a deep fix on Moto engineering.
[Moto X General] easting:
Damn. Took the 4.4.4 update in July (VZW), now I guess I'll just cross my fingers. Honestly, 5 tries with the China middleman and now VZW says no Dev version for 2nd gen Moto-X. I'm locked in until 11/2015.
[Moto X General] samwathegreat:
[MENTION=4895568]dier325[/MENTION]

With this recent news from jcase, I'm discontinuing the form submissions - seems irrelevant now, especially considering it never yielded any useful data.

Removing the link from the OP. I have downloaded the results. I suggest you download a copy for yourself just in case, and remove/delete the form. Thanks for your help with the experiment - shutting it down now.

Thanks to everyone who submitted data! Much appreciated.

Everybody: Save $25 back for when the exploit is officially released (or rather, added to the Sunshine App). Remember not to update or take any OTAs in the mean time.
[Moto X General] Verttex:
Thank you all for your submissions. Looking forward to a solution!
[Moto X General] JooseyJay:
http://androidforums.com/motorola-moto-g/852244-downgrade-locked-bootloader-x1028.html

I was referring to this.
[Moto X General] samwathegreat:
Again, you can not downgrade the BL or TZ - EVER!!!!!

Notice that the link you refer to says "downgrade **IN** bootloader". Yes, you can downgrade certain partitions (even though it's extremely unsafe and has resulted in MANY bricks), you can NEVER downgrade the bootloader itself. Period.

This isn't going to help you, and there is no reason to pursue the idea further.

HOPEFULLY, the exploit will work on 4.4.4 - only time will tell. We have no idea. In the mean time, no more discussion on downgrading. Not possible.
[Moto X General] JooseyJay:
I wasn't aware the bootloader was updated with android updates. Always figured the bootloader was manufacturer specific. In my defense I didn't mean to downgrade the bootloader.

:P
[Moto X General] samwathegreat:
No worries. Yes, the BL is updated with OTA updates. The BL is also what is being exploited to unlock. Once the BL has patched the vulnerability, no unlock.
[Moto X General] thelogman:
You literally could not have updated this a second sooner, was about to say forget it and update. Unfortunately now I won't be able to stop checking back for updates.
[Moto X General] samwathegreat:
3 times the title has changed.

ewwwwww :p
[Moto X General] Fadelight:
I've got my $75 ready. I have an august 2013 phone on 4.4 rooted (Justin told me a long time ago not to update), and 2 phones I've purchased since then that are on 4.4.4. Since they are VZW I am hoping I'm good to go.

Personally, I also love his decision to release it as a paid app. Its about time devs start collecting what they have worked so hard for and deserve.
[Moto X General] SummerRainbowz:
Questions

Sorry for being a little bit off-topic, but will Sunshine also support the Moto G (4.4.4) and does this bootloader exploit trigger the iswarrantyvoid flag? Thanks in advance.
[Moto X General] samwathegreat:
Of course it will void the warranty. It doesn't matter how you unlock... Unlock = warranty void.

As for the moto g... We don't know and won't until it is released. Stay tuned.
[Moto X General] Topsnake:
Unless Dev edition
[Moto X General] samwathegreat:
You know... You would think it would go without saying, but given recent experiences perhaps not.

What person in their right mind would PAY to unlock a Dev edition? Lol
[Moto X General] Topsnake:
This guy would
[Moto X General] HardBoiledGregg:
That is me before I got my first Android lol
[Moto X General] super65man:
My sides hurt:laugh:
[Moto X General] pjsockett:
A couple of weeks ago jcase said something about getting followers for [MENTION=373605]TheRoot[/MENTION]ninja for the second Tuesday of the month, I wonder if that's our launch day.
[Moto X General] brainwash1:
What is underwear?
[Moto X General] iomthd:
Can't wait to see what this is about!
[Moto X General] glarepate:
Read it and weep.

http://www.motorolatradein.com/

I have a Republic Wireless 16GB handset. Their estimate of trade-in value? $60. :p
[Moto X General] easting:
meh...$60. better than nothing.
[Moto X General] mbkintner:
I've not updated yet and won't until this plays out. But eouldn't it be nice if this works with 4.4.4. And the 4.4.4 that's being released on the X 2014 is the same as the OTA that's out now.
[Moto X General] samwathegreat:
For those with carrier subsidies who got their phones FREE, (most of which are COMPLETELY ignorant of resale value), this might seem like a nice bonus ($60 when I paid NOTHING?).

For those of us who are informed, it's just foolish. ;)
[Moto X General] samwathegreat:
So the bottom line is: it really has nothing to do with the ANDROID version that is on the phone, but rather the Bootloader/TrustZone. It just so happens that the OTAs also update the BL. This means if you took the 4.4.4 OTA, it also updated the BL, and COULD have patched the TZ vulnerability.

If someone was wise enough to NOT update their bootloader/partition table, and ONLY update system & boot, they would likely be able to use this exploit regardless. The exploit takes advantage of a vulnerability in TrustZone (part of bootloader).

The vulnerability is 100% most definitely patched in the 2014 X.

Anyways, this is probably off-topic.

Bottom line is, we will know once it's released, and probably not a moment sooner.

The app will TELL YOU if it is capable of unlocking your device BEFORE you are prompted to pay. That's the good thing...
[Moto X General] JooseyJay:
I hope... So tired of seeing NFL mobile updates
[Moto X General] Verttex:
Just wanted to let everyone know, there is still work being put into TowelPieRoot for those who don't have the money or just don't want to unlock their Bootloader with this utility soon. I've been testing new updates to TPR for around 2 months now and there has been quite a lot of progress made. Thank [MENTION=4850320]iKrYpToNiTe[/MENTION] for his contribution to that exploit as well as [MENTION=2376614]jcase[/MENTION] for PIE and [MENTION=3280118]geohot[/MENTION] for Towelroot.

I too am looking forward to this new utility but just wanted to let everyone know that there are other options as well.
[Moto X General] fakieskr8333:
If there a thread for sunshine? I know there is a website but I was looking to ask a community member some questions.
[Moto X General] samwathegreat:
Patience is a virtue. The only 2 people who know anything at all about the new exploit are jcase and beaups. I doubt they are going to answer any questions.

Bottom line is that all will be revealed at release time.
[Moto X General] fakieskr8333:
Well I was just meant for the sunshine for HTC devices but i guess the method will be completely different for the x.
[Moto X General] dB Zac:
Sold my att x, bought a unlocked x on eBay for cheap cuz it had a dudes name on it, bought and installed a new back..... Problem solved
[Moto X General] HamBone625:
I for on am on 4.4.4 but not the ota I still have a 4.2 bootloader all thanks to safestrap and some patients.. I'm also one of few that bought my x when it was still 40 on contract 60 is just silly for this phone.
[Moto X General] iKrYpToNiTe:
Man I wish there were more users like you, that would have listened and used my method of updating instead of fully upgrading!
[Moto X General] smartazz69:
Find exploit

I'm one of the unlucky ones that lost my droid maxx and got a new one off of swappa and it came with 4.4.4 21.11.21 build date June 18 2014. I'm wondering will the new exploit work on my Droid Maxx because I miss the native tether hack.
[Moto X General] GeneralSchnook:
Considering the release date of 21.11.21 and the revelation of Dan's TZ Exploit (Dan's Exploit being revealed later), I think we may be in luck that 21.11.21 is still vulnerable! Unless Motorola has different versions of 21.11.21 floating around, but I doubt they would do that without changing versioning (unless they were evil).
[Moto X General] smartazz69:
email

It would be nice if we could get an email to know when the exploit is ready and if it works.
[Moto X General] wrldruler:
As suggested earlier, subscribe to this thread and have patience
[Moto X General] a1exus:
Hi, thanks again for all your contribution into this. I also want to be like that user, so I posted question in your thread and patiently waiting for your reply and mean while still on 4.4, but really wanna go for 4.4.4.
[Moto X General] distortedloop:
So the warning says, but..

It really depends on your location/jurisdiction.

In California, and many US states, user modifications to a product cannot legally be used as grounds to deny warranty repairs unless the user modification caused the failure.

Example would be if your volume rocker or camera lens failed, unlocking the bootloader or rooting could not be used as a reason to not fix the issue.

I am 100% confident that in Small Claims court would award judgement for the consumer in such situations.

Always better to know the risks, but voiding warranty is not an absolute.
[Moto X General] samwathegreat:
You would likely spend more time / money / energy fighting Moto than your phone is worth if you had to take them to court, etc. You make a valid point....but...seems like wasted effort.

That being said: Moto has honored the warranty for several individuals who WERE unlocked, even though their official stance is: unlock = warranty void (except for DEV edition). That's not to say they WILL, but they might.

Anyways, regardless of legalities, if you consider the sheer amount of time one would spend fighting them, the best advice is that if you unlock anything but the DEV edition, expect your warranty to be void. We definitely can't account for all jurisdictions and give a definitive answer to anyone who may ask.

From a contractual standpoint, when you unlock the "official" way - through Moto's website, you agree (contractually) that you accept that the process will void your warranty. I'm no lawyer, so I'm not even going to attempt to argue or rationalize further....just know that you could end up in a long, drawn-out battle if you choose to fight Moto on their policy. They have nearly unlimited resources in their legal department - most end users do not.

:good:
[Moto X General] distortedloop:
The whole point of Small Claims Court is to provide CHEAP and quick access to disputes under a certain dollar amount. In California it costs $80 or so to file a claim, and if you're victorious, the judge will award you those fees as part of what the respondent must pay you. There's no lawyering, and cases can be settled in minutes sometimes.

I don't think $80 and a few hours time are excessive when trying to get warranty service for a $600 device, that's less than the co-pay/deductible on most smartphone protection plans.

Not looking to go off topic or argue the point, so I won't discuss any further unless they're are direct questions.

Those interested may want to read this short LA County Web page on the topic describing the ease of the process http://www.lasuperiorcourt.org/smallclaims/ui/
[Moto X General] Ephemera:
I'm sorry not to be a noob but what's wrong with unlocking it through motorola itself? https://motorola-global-portal.custhelp.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/87215
[Moto X General] samwathegreat:
What's wrong is that Verizon, at&t, and republic wireless costumers can't unlock through Motorola. Those carriers forbid Motorola from releasing the unlock codes.
[Moto X General] Ephemera:
Oh. I can understand why RW would do it.
[Moto X General] fakieskr8333:
They should just make it so that once your warranty expires you can unlock your device. What would be the harm in the that?
[Moto X General] HardBoiledGregg:
In a perfect world...
[Moto X General] atrix2man:
So it is being released?? What happens if we are on 4.4.4?? SOL?
[Moto X General] samwathegreat:
It is being released soon. No one knows ANYTHING about it except for the 2 devs. They aren't commenting any further than "Don't take any updates". Beyond that, everything is speculation.

No more questions on ETAs, or whether or not it will work on version XYZ. All will be revealed at release time.

If you want a heads up when it happens, SUBSCRIBE TO THIS THREAD. It will be revealed here as soon as it is available.

Beyond that, PLEASE, no more speculation or questions.