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[G3 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] objektive_1:
This is a side by side with my N5(left) and G3(right). The color saturation is super high for my taste. Could this be our culprit?
[G3 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] slayer3032:
I really don't know anymore.. I tried to take pictures of what I was trying to explain and I just plain couldn't. It was much more clear on the camera.. I think what I'm actually seeing is the extremely thin font rendering on the stock LG ROM not playing well with the higher resolution. Could it be possible some of us are just seeing high detail fonts which don't work as well on a device with such a high pixel density? I have a G2 running Cloudy G3 and my G3 side by side and really thin fine detail things seem slightly more "smooth" and legible on the G2.
[G3 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] SomeGuyDude:
For the record, someone on Reddit posted this, and THIS is what oversharpening is on their G3. (click2zoom)

There are exceptionally obvious white pixels surrounding the black. That is a PROBLEM and it needs fixed, but I want to emphasize that it's NOT universal and it's NOT what you're seeing in the pictures I posted.
[G3 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] objektive_1:
IDK if its a problem or not. I can zoom into the text like the mybestbuy site and it looks fine. if the page isn't zoomed into looks crappy and jagged. which leads me to believe its a software issue. i can go on any app and it looks fine. I can say some pictures look over saturated also. i just don't know anymore. I've watched netflix etc.. and all that looks beautiful! so again i have no idea wtf is going on except with text on grayish backgrounds.
[G3 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] SomeGuyDude:
I managed to find one app that did it, but like others have said it may be a scaling issue. The only time I could find it was in Words with Crosses, when the clue is highlighted the black barriers have a bit of halo. I don't know whose fault that is and I couldn't find it anywhere else. I do believe it's a software issue though because it seems specific to certain elements.

It's entirely possible it's a QHD problem, who knows.
[G3 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] slayer3032:
I'm thinking the font rendering in Android doesn't weight the fronts correctly or something like that which I can't remember the term for since its been years since I did a little programming. I'm really only seeing this on fonts and if I look closer or use another phone to look at it with the camera I'm seeing that the font is too thin and smears on the screen. Or maybe this is due to the worse than more recent panels contrast ratio?

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Everything in textdroider_DPI looks like crap to me, its the perfect colors to show the smearing thin text.
[G3 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Jangla:
I'm taking this up with LG. Mine shows the problem and having literally just switched from a Nexus 5, it was immediately and massively apparent.

LG are so far, as you would expect, denying they've ever heard of this problem .... so I sent them a few link showing the many, many people talking about it ... and have asked for photographic evidence. I will provide them with it and post back here with some shots too.
[G3 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] objektive_1:
Keep us posted! Kudos to you sir.:highfive:
[G3 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] lightsp33d:
Jangla you're my hero lol. I started this posting here and it's refreshing to hear that someone is just as bothered by this as I am.

I did contact LG as well and they pretty much denied knowing anything about the issue either. And there are so many people that are saying "It's not a big deal" "I barely notice it" "my screen is fine, no problems here"

So it's nice to see someone that sees the problem and cares enough about it to get it fixed. Please let me know if you get any sort of response from them.
[G3 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] navlem:
I noticed after dropping resolution down to 1080p the sharpening is gone.
[G3 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] lightsp33d:
And how exactly does one do that?
[G3 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Batfink33:
Download the app called "Nomone" from the Google Play. You have to be rooted though.
[G3 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] lightsp33d:
Oh ok thanks. It's not exactly a fix since it's lowering the resolution but at least the lettering won't look awful. Thanks man
[G3 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Batfink33:
Yeah, why spend money on a QHD phone only to change it back to 1080.
[G3 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] lightsp33d:
Hey guys I just got off the phone with an LG rep and he said that LG knows about the issue. He actually knew right away when I started to describe the problem what I was talking about, so all of our *****ing and complaining is getting somewhere lol. But he also said that "some of our customers like the sharpening effect"... As stupid as that sounds. If someone likes the sharpening effect then they must also like Ford escorts more than Lamborghinis too. But whatever. Hopefully saner heads will prevail. :)
[G3 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] objektive_1:
Did he elaborate if it was software related?
[G3 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] deadkenny64:
A simple solution would be to ship the phone with the sharpening at default and give us an option to reduce via a slider or disable with a click. That way any of LGs customers that like the effect (or are clueless of it) can do nothing and be satisfied. Kind of reminds me of HBO's refusal to show movies in letterbox because their viewers "don't like the black bars". Most TVs ship with brightness and contrast maxed but at least we can adjust them to a reasonable level when we get them home.
[G3 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] scy1192:
Dropped it down to 1920x1080 and 400dpi, still definitely notice the sharpening. And now the phone app doesn't work

Back to QHD @ 540dpi I guess
[G3 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] objektive_1:
There goes the one reason I would root besides bloatware.
[G3 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Batfink33:
The LG apps like phone and gallery are DPI sensitive. They don't work on any DPI around below 540. To get them to work on a system that has a DPI below 540 you need to install the exposed framework, the "app settings" app and set the DPI individually through that.
[G3 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] lightsp33d:
He didn't say but that is pretty much accepted as fact that the sharpening is all in the software. Some moron at LG came up with that so people can more easily see that their display is sharper than the competition... having them feel more justified in buying it for the QHD difference. The Oppo Find 7 (strangest name for a phone ever) has a QHD LCD screen and that has no sharpening at all. And actually has better contrast and more accurate colors.
[G3 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] objektive_1:
Do you have the Oppo?

My friends cheapo alcatel has better contrast and better color than the G3, and its only qHD. :highfive::laugh::laugh::laugh:
[G3 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] navlem:
Check this out

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If you want your LG apps to work

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[G3 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] lightsp33d:
Haha no I don't have that phone. Wish I did. I have Verizon service so my phone choices are restricted. I have unlimited data though and I don't wanna lose that.
[G3 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] objektive_1:
Didn't you hear that Verizon is going to start to throttle you guys.

http://www.engadget.com/2014/07/25/verizon-unlimited-lte-data-plans-throttling/
[G3 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] lightsp33d:
Yeah yeah yeah. I was just reading that. I was thinking to myself... How ironic I just responded to someone about enjoying my unlimited data on Verizon and I come across that article. Sigh... It's the beginning of the end I suppose. All good things come to an end.

At least once I decide to pull out of Verizon and go to AT&T that I'll be able to get Nexus devices and import the higher spec'd versions of Samsung and LG's flagship 2 weeks after they come out in the USA lol.
[G3 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] objektive_1:
If you don't mind my forthrightness, i would recommend Straight Talk. I pay $48 bucks a month for unlimited talk,text and 3.5gb of 4GLTE data on either T-mobiles towers or At&t's. Which is a great deal imo.
[G3 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] lightsp33d:
Yeah that's not bad at all. Did straight talk pay you to tell me that? Lol. Jk.

It's a little messy because I currently have 5 lines through Verizon. Me, sister, parents and grandma. And none of them care about upgrading except me ;) But yeah I'll definitely think about that for sure. I didn't realize they even utilized LTE yet. Very cool. Thanks man!
[G3 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] objektive_1:
Nah no one pays me. I just can't pass up a good bargain. lol

They don't do family plan thought. :(

So everyone would need to take care of their own line. That would probably be a hassle for you. And you are very welcome. to get back on topic LG needs to fix this shizzzzz!!
[G3 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] lightsp33d:
Fo Sho! I agree. My battery has been pretty trashy lately. I still might exchange my phone for the galaxy s5 since I'm still in my return policy. I know the battery life is better. Plus the screen on the S5 was said to be the "best display we've ever tested" by displaymate and the contrast is insane. I dispise TouchWiz though. And the phone feels like I can squeeze it and break it apart into 100 pieces. Oh the pros and cons... I wonder if Samsung will lay the smack down on specs for the note 4. That's what I'm thinking. QHD. Snapdragon 805, 4gb ram.... But I really do like this LG phone as a whole. Just sad that it's main selling point is its biggest downfall.
[G3 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] objektive_1:
Preach! I purchased my G3 from someone so i would have to do some trading. lol

They probably have roms already. I'm using this phone till either Nexus 6 or Android Silver kicks off.

No other phones caught my attention. I had the Oneplus One and the display was bad,yellow band at the bottom, I could block the BT signal with my hand, and it wasn't as form factor as this phone. If only we could get these weird color and sharpness settings squared out. I wouldn't have a complaint about it.
[G3 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] lightsp33d:
Yeah man, the G3 is still so new that it's selling for just under retail price right now online. So it's definitely still gonna pull some serious coin for the next few months at least.

Eek. That's crazy about the one plus one. That kinda **** drives me nuts. That yellow bar you're describing. I'd notice that almost immediatly. I remember swapping out so many iPhones back in the day for dead pixels and light leakage... And for the iPhone 5 I waited in line at launch day and each black iPhone they opened at the apple store I'd look at and it had chips on the back and sides in the metal. I literally had the apple employee open up 5 new iPhones before I got one that was pristine. Lol Yeah I don't put up with anything below 100% perfection when I buy something that pricey.
[G3 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] objektive_1:
I'm with you 100%. Fine its relatively cheap but its still $360, after shipping. The worst part is that they won't even admit its a defect. That's why i sold the phone, i sold the invites and i haven't looked back since. Yeah the weird text and color annoy me but at least i know it could be fixed b/c its software not HW.
[G3 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] lightsp33d:
For sure. I'd be the same way. But back to the G3, I'm glad that LG at least knows about the people complaining about the screen sharpening issue. I mean that still might be light years away from them deciding to work on a fix. And then roll that fix out... But at least we're being heard. I wish there was I way I could talk to an LG corporate guy and be like look... I'd advise it would be in your best interest to fix this problem BEFORE the Galaxy Note 4 drops. But whatever. I'm just another consumer. Just a small number in the finance book. Lol. Maybe they'll learn with the G4. But that's so far away in cell phone terms, I might as well be talking about time travel. :)
[G3 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Jangla:
Still chasing them. Have provided pics which you can check out yourself here: https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BwR_4rSPFY_vemxPc0JyVXNSQTA/edit?usp=sharing

Obviously, it's pretty tricky to take shots of a screen with a crappy old compact. The images show some of the ghosting but in real life, it's far more evident and grating.

Noted with interest some mention of OTA's taking people from v10b to v10e and getting positive improvements. I'm on v10a and have no sign of an OTA so I also asked them to clarify the situation there.

Also, mine has started telling me it can't update or install new apps as it's out of space. It reports 8.2GB free on the internal storage and 57GB on the SD card. SMH.
[G3 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] lightsp33d:
Awesome. Thanks for the update. Those are excellent quality pictures you took. That Macro mode is awesome on that camera. Unfortunately you really can't see the problem from those shots. Too bad you didn't take a pic of the lettering in the gray column on my.Bestbuy.Com. That's the worst I've seen it. But hopefully they'll get the point...

I did hear that update didn't really help at all with the sharpening but I don't really know what to believe until I see it with my own eyes. There are people out there still that don't even know what we're referring to with this problem and say that their displays are fine.
[G3 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] slayer3032:
T-Mobile has some pretty insane LTE in places like where I live.

Verizon is really starting to fall behind nowadays.

I've really been noticing the text smudging again, I'm really thinking about taking this phone back and going back to a LG G2.
[G3 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] lightsp33d:
Yeah that is pretty insane speed. But I'm sure when there's 7 people on the LTE network...it gonna go fast lol
[G3 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] scy1192:
I've noticed some people saying that they don't notice the sharpening, so I coded up a web page to test it, and took pictures comparing it to my laptop and my old HTC Rezound.

[IMG="Top: HP Laptop, Middle: LG G3, Bottom: HTC Rezound"]http://i.imgur.com/6zV0fkG.jpg[/IMG]

Top is my HP laptop (1920x1080, 141ppi), photo taken by LG G3

Middle is LG G3 (2560x1440, 534ppi), photo taken by HTC Rezound

Bottom is HTC Rezound (1280x720 342ppi), photo taken by LG G3

Web page is here

edit: added my laptop for another comparison
[G3 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] objektive_1:
Man our G3's look like sh*te. Whenever I show people the phone I always show them a video or something. lol
[G3 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] lightsp33d:
What an excellent way to show the problem. Have you reached out to LG about it yet?
[G3 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] scy1192:
I'm sure they're well aware, they did put it on the phone after all... the biggest thing we need to do now is raise awareness. Most people on XDA, Android phone sites, and Reddit will know about it so we need to reach beyond those places.
[G3 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] lightsp33d:
Good point. Very good point. Sometimes I feel I'm alone here with all these blind people not noticing Tue obvious problem.
[G3 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Kev13Dd:
Thanks man- this is perfect. Exactly what I'm seeing

K
[G3 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] evbb:
Verizon: over-sharpening effect? What over-sharpening effect?

Yeah, same unbelievably bad screen performance with the over-sharpening. Can't believe this isn't a bigger deal. Just called Verizon, and it was the first time the rep had heard of it.

Another problem I'm experiencing with the super-high resolution display: current mobile responsive webpages see a browser with all those pixels and serve up very, very tiny fonts. User zooms in to read tiny font. Que lots of annoying swiping and scrolling. So quad HD kind of breaks modern, well designed pages.

I for one bought this phone in spite of quad-HD, not because if it. I knew it was a pure marketing gimmick, likely to cause more harm than good. But it seems the price is too high, with literally no upside.

I think i gotta return this thing. Too bad. Like the size, removable battery, expandable memory, IR blaster, snapdragon 801, Qi charger readiness etc. Might break down and wait for the iphone 6 (with none of those things I want but it will be a solid working tool with kinks worked out). Sigh. Wish I could get a OnePlus One invite.
[G3 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] lightsp33d:
Yeah I'm probably gonna do that too. I'm having problems with battery life. How was your battery life?
[G3 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Pfeffernuss:
Install UCBrowser. One: it allows zooming on mobile pages where zooming usually is restricted. Two: it automatically reflows the text to the zoomed window. No scrolling around. Well, you still have to go up and down of course.

Deinstalled the LG Browser and only use this one. I think it is great :cool:
[G3 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Jangla:
You can do that in Chrome. Chrome Settings > Accessibility > Force enable zoom
[G3 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Pfeffernuss:
No texf reflow, so completely useless for me :cool:
[G3 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Jangla:
Quick update from my "Adventures with LG": they've now accepted there may be a problem and are offering to take it in for repair. No mention of how long I might expect this to take so I've asked them to clarify.

They suggested I download the Update Tool on their website to try force my phone to grab the v10e FOTA - which they only release for PC. I'm on a Mac. SMH.
[G3 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] lightsp33d:
I'm on a Mac too. Smh
[G3 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] düdldihüü:
I really hope this gets fixed one way or the other. The phone isn't perfect but for me, this is the only reason I'm seriously considering returning it.
[G3 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] manaox2:
I have a Verizon G3 and see the problem in the pictures easily though I cannot recreate this issue. It does seem to be a phone by phone issue I guess.
[G3 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] evbb:
Not terrible battery for me, but I haven't pushed it too hard in the 3 days I've had it.

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Thanks! Reflowing the text is pretty sweet. I'll give it a try.

I use Chrome now, which I love, except for this one big problem unique to the ridiculously high resolution.
[G3 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] alizonmi:
I'm in the same situation. I want to keep it, but the resolution is annoying.
[G3 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] nj1266:
Outside of just power saving measures, I've also noticed artificial sharpening. This effect is obvious enough that you will notice it immediately. As a result, halos are all over the display in certain situations, and in general I hope LG adds an option to turn this off.

http://anandtech.com/show/8169/the-lg-g3-review/2

If LG does not believe you, then send them this expert review. One of the best in reviewing phones.
[G3 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] lightsp33d:
I never even heard of that site. But what an awesome review. Thanks.
[G3 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] manaox2:
Have you guys tried using the color adjustment feature under accessibility settings? Anandtech should definitely have tried that before trying certain screen tests.

Here is what mine is set to. I don't see halos on auto brightness at least.
[G3 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] nj1266:
Anandtech tests phones stock. I do not think they do screen adjustments before testing. This way they can compare stock to stock. It equalizes the playing field across all the phones they test.
[G3 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] lightsp33d:
Yeah pretty much everyone knows about that now. I still notice the sharpening effect though. It seems to be more of a placebo effect if anything.
[G3 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] objektive_1:
What's a placebo effect? the changing of the contrast?

I already can't stand the color balance, I don't want the contrast to look like an S5. In the screen shot you'll see where I have mine set. Yellows are more mustard yellow than orange yellow, also takes a lil bit of the reds which is nice.

http://imgur.com/FSV86qD
[G3 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] BigBlue007:
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[G3 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Skizzy034:
Can someone take a physical shot of their phone where they see the "sharpening?" I see that some people really complain about it but I don't really see what the big deal is.
[G3 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Kev13Dd:
See the middle shot below. Text has white halo around edges, where non sharpened screens do not. Which sucks, since the pixel density looks so much better that text should too

K
[G3 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] shook187:
I mention this in a few threads and no one could direct me in the right direction. Personally I think its a non issue and I have since moved on trying to find it. If you haven't noticed it by now you probably never will.
[G3 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] manaox2:
I use Firefox. I've never used the stock browser. Perhaps that helps.
[G3 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] hello00:
i can only see it on gray backgrounds
[G3 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] BigBlue007:
[MENTION=3010852]shook187[/MENTION]: It might be a non-issue for you and others, but that doesn't make it a non-issue in general. :)

[MENTION=3008102]manaox2[/MENTION]: Changing the browser will obviously not help because the issue is not limited to the browser. It can be observed anywhere.
[G3 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] lightsp33d:
The best way for you to see it is to go to my.bestbuy.com and look at the small text in the right gray column on that page. If you can't notice it there then you won't notice it anywhere.
[G3 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Kev13Dd:
Or the website here

K
[G3 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] shook187:
So I went to the site, what exactly am I looking for?
[G3 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Kev13Dd:
Look for the white outline around the black text (see picture above comparing it on different screens). Zoom in and out, as it's more noticeable on small text. Try looking at it in the "recent app" menu too, super noticeable for me there

If I had a camera with a good macro lens I'd take a picture

The white edges around the text should NOT be there

K
[G3 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Kev13Dd:
Ok so I took a few photos of my G3 (using my S3 camera). The album is below:

Album of over-sharpening on G3

Here is the best example:

And now zoomed in:

That white border just should not be there. There are only two colors, grey and black, and there should be a cut and dry transition. And while it might require zoomed in photos on a specific webpage to see, it shows up everywhere and it's a problem not because it's there, but because I notice it and it ruins the clarity of text on a 2K screen

K

EDIT:

Ok, here are the pictures of the same text on my SG3 (taken with the G3)

And zoomed in:

Big difference. One is of course blurrier due to lower resolution, but that's why I got the G3- for sharper text. Not for sharper WITH halo...
[G3 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Skizzy034:
I can't see it faintly, but I really don't notice it much.
[G3 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] evbb:
Returned the LG G3 today. Battery life worsened significantly over the last few days as I started to push it harder. Also the phone got extremely hot just browsing the web, which is no bueno. All that on top of the laughable oversharpening effect nonsense... Waiting for either the Sony Xperia Z2 or Z3 on Verizon or T-Mo, or the iPhone 6. But won't get either of those if they go down this insane pixel density rabbit hole like LG. Too ridiculous and causes so many problems. The main two features I care about are camera quality and battery (with heavy preference for user swapability). Whoever can deliver best on those two in a next gen flagship device is going to get my money. Penalties for gimmicks like insane pixel density, fingerprint scanners, "smart stay" style bloatware, 3D anything, features that only work with other products by the same manufacturer (Galaxy Gear integration, iCloud), etc. Who's with me, people! Let's make it a movement!