yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[Moto X General] wrldruler:
Use titanium backup and freeze the Motorola OTA app
[Moto X General] labrat321:
Done, thanks!
[Moto X General] murso74:
Tired of getting nagged by my phone to take the update. I think I'm going to do it and hope the Chinese guy can come through for me soon. Don't have a lot of faith in this boot loader crack happening any time soon
[Moto X General] samwathegreat:
Suit yourself. You could also follow the posted instructions to use towelpieroot and titanium backup to freeze MotorolaOTA and it will quit nagging you...
[Moto X General] murso74:
completely forgot about towelroot. thanks for the reminder
[Moto X General] thelogman:
I took it a step further and used tb to uninstall moto ota completely. I'll be damned if I get updated anytime soon.
[Moto X General] DaRkRhiNe:
That wasn't a wise move
[Moto X General] thelogman:
Why not.
[Moto X General] samwathegreat:
Because now you will need to flash the entire 4.4.2 SBF back on if you want to take an OTA update in the future. Simply "freezing" it would have been more than sufficient, and when you were ready to take the next OTA, one click of the "unfreeze" button would have allowed you to update successfully. There is no benefit to what you did (uninstalling it), and there is no drawback to just freezing it.
[Moto X General] thelogman:
But I never plan on taking the ota, if an sbf back to 4.4.2 is the worst problem Ill have I think I'll be okay.
[Moto X General] EcHoFiiVe:
You could just ask for the ota app around here lol. No need to reflash the stock sbf
[Moto X General] HardBoiledGregg:
Yeah. I got a backup
[Moto X General] toroloco73:
is there a BOUNTY for a project to do it?
[Moto X General] samwathegreat:
There are several bounties, and in several forums for full bootloader unlock.
[Moto X General] doitinthedirt:
where is the like button
[Moto X General] theascended:
Somehow I don't think the lack of a software exploit is due to too few bounty threads. If this works on as many (unpatched) phones as it should, there is a few grand in "promises" out there.

Exploiting a random address execution bug requires knowledge of assembly and the competence to organize memory in a way that you don't just cause CPU exceptions. People spend quite a bit of their lives studying CPU and memory architecture to be able to do that. If you people want to get serious, get off the XDA forums and create a time limited escrow account. Everyone donates the money now. If the money isn't claimed by a certain date the money is returned to the original contributers (probably minus a fee) otherwise it goes to whomever claims it (probably minus a fee).

I understand what XDA purports to be about, but too often work that has very real material consequences for developers is compensated with little more than a click on the thanks button. If you want something that is actually hard to produce, put your money where your mouth is and risk being ripped off. I know the developers are sick of always getting the ****ty end of that deal every time.
[Moto X General] easting:
I'm hoping some developer is working on it. I'd do it if I could, but it's not my trade. I'd pay, as well. Or donate to the author's charity of choice. Or absent that, I'd accept it and say thanks.
[Moto X General] brian Marshall:
I'm following this thread out of interest. Being locked on only two carriers and having the developer edition available probably dampened many developers interest in unlocking the BL for this phone. (not to mention the not so stellar sales figures)

I was really bummed at first, but then I remembered the reason I hacked my old phone was to make it stop sucking (thanks samsung.) After endless tweaking and trying new ROMs and occasionally having to start back over completely from scratch I realized something.

I'm 1000% happier with my moto x than I ever was with a previous phone. I've not even rooted it. I just took the 4.4.4 update, so I probably never will be able to. It addressed my main gripe. the dialer.

I'll keep watching because it's interesting, but I just don't feel like this phone needs to be fixed like previous phones.
[Moto X General] Makarovi:
Does anyone know of anyone that's actually attempting to replicate the exploit?
[Moto X General] easting:
[YOUTUBE]wGdhc9k07Ms[/YOUTUBE]
[Moto X General] HardBoiledGregg:
This may be unnecessary, but funny.
[Moto X General] easting:
I used 'popcorn' setting and it worked!
[Moto X General] DonKilluminati23:
Yesss I love one-click methods
[Moto X General] BriCo84:
Too hands on for me personally.

I don't like having to use additional 3rd party hardware
[Moto X General] CRXP:
When we think i can unlock my xt1058 ATT ?
[Moto X General] KidJoe:
That is anyone's GUESS.

At this point, no developer has publicly stated they are working on a tool or procedure which makes this exploit easy for people to use and unlock their bootloader.

So its still.... get your bootloader unlock code from Moto's web site, or if moto doesn't offer it for your phone (like ATT, Verizon, Republic Wireless) then hope the China Middleman (see thread in general section) can come through, OR you can't unlock.
[Moto X General] murso74:
i think at this point id rather not have known about this
[Moto X General] crawlgsx:
X2. I'm just going to update my phone, 99% chance I buy another phone before this unlock comes out anyway :angel:
[Moto X General] Archangel:
Ah yeah at this point most will have another phone by the time this ever comes out and if it does by then who cares they can have it LOL. I think most are over the release (or non-release) of this exploit by now.
[Moto X General] murso74:
Plus there's still the Chinese guy... Seems to be a better chance of him getting updated codes than this exploit being put into use
[Moto X General] samwathegreat:
Hi Guys,

Would you please stop posting your "unlock data" to the form? We are not interested in the output of "fastboot oem get_unlock_data" - this isn't helpful. Only actual unlock CODES (tokens) should be posted to the form. I'm getting tired of editing the unlock data out.

I thought there would be an obvious distinction between the unlock data and code....but apparently not. It also appears that some of you are trying to "oem unlock" using your unlock data?!?!?! Several users have now posted their unlock data, and said this code did not work to unlock their device..... NO JOKE! LOL If you are doing this, you need to read up on how to unlock via the Official Moto Website. You are doing it wrong.....

^(Directed only at those who posted "unlock data" to the online form)
[Moto X General] Leslie，Cheung:
Great God, I hope you can break success, I was a Chinese man, Taobao sellers said, giving them codes are foreigners, not the Chinese people, but now there are selling the unlock code, but must if annual output of 14 MOTO X
[Moto X General] bigv5150:
?

sent from "my kungfu is stronger then yours" XT1080
[Moto X General] :
That comment went through a major edit
[Moto X General] HardBoiledGregg:
just as lost as you are.
[Moto X General] mschumacher69:
Lost in Google Translate...

I think what he's trying to say is:

I hope you manage to succeed in cracking the code, I'm Chinese, the sellers on Taobao said that they're getting the codes from foreigners, not from Chinese people, but the reason they are selling the codes is because they have to when their annual income is the equivalent of 14 Moto Xs (14 x 400 = $5600)...
[Moto X General] toroloco73:
no good news...:(
[Moto X General] murso74:
wow.. that was an impressive pidgon to english translation
[Moto X General] dimex:
http://youtu.be/tGDO-9hfaiI?t=28s
[Moto X General] Archangel:
Wow you got that from the post, better than what I could come up with LOL. I finally gave up after the third attempt to decipher it.

Here was my attempt LOL

Great God, I hope you can succeed in being broke when I was a Chinese man, taobao sellers said foreigners are not Chinese people but they sell unlock codes but must if annual output of 14 moto x
[Moto X General] bigv5150:
Lol yeah he did one hell of a job figuring it out. I couldn't for the life me understand what he meant.

sent from "my kungfu is stronger then yours" XT1080
[Moto X General] Cronis:
I wonder if he sold the unlock/hack to Qualcomm... probably way more money in that then a little bounty he could get here. He does run a security company so it would make sense that he might have been working for Qualcomm/Motorola to find holes in their security.
[Moto X General] :
It was already stated by a reputable source, that he didn't
[Moto X General] samwathegreat:
Not a chance. If this were the case, the company would have required a non-disclosure agreement which would prevent him from disclosing the vulnerability.

The fact that there even WAS a vulnerability is very bad PR for Qualcomm.

Anyways, he certainly wouldn't have released the full details of the vulnerability. Once again, jcase himself confirmed that Dan disclosed enough info to fully execute the exploit. Do you think for one second that Qualcomm would have let him SPEAK about the vulnerability, let alone disclose full details if he were working for them?

Yes, they are fully aware of the vulnerability now and WILL be patching it (already patched in some devices) but anyways....
[Moto X General] Verttex:
Jcase said he didn't.
[Moto X General] Cronis:
Gotcha^^ was just a thought. Had not caught he already denied having sold the exploit. Seems like the clock is ticking as more manufacturers get updates from qualcomm... wonder why he does not release the exploit?
[Moto X General] samwathegreat:
First, it extremely complicated to make a tool that works on multiple devices and variants without hard-bricking them. Unlocking ONE device (on stage) is likely much easier in comparison.

Beyond that, read my two long posts on this page for some POSSIBLE insight into this: http://xdaforums.com/moto-x/general/request-help-exploit-moto-x-bl-t2828471/page16

They are long, but a good read...
[Moto X General] mushbert:
Perhaps Mr Rosenberg negotiated a trade - indemnity for disclosing the bug and/or releasing a tool to exploit it, with the condition that he give the OEMs and carriers enough time to push patches. That way, the only people it would likely affect are those who actually want to have their devices exploited. Maybe not, but it's a nice dream.

And about those bounties - if an honest developer wanted the money that badly, s/he could just announce they have created the tool, show proof, and state they're not releasing it until they receive payments totalling $10000 or whatever number. People would then proceed to complain (just as they are now), but they would only have themselves to blame if it didn't get published. :victory:
[Moto X General] HardBoiledGregg:
I call that a lucid dream lol.
[Moto X General] N00BY0815:
Do you guys still need unlock codes? I guess mine is unlockable, but I would only request the code, if you need it. I also asked a Motorola customer service guy, if the warranty voids if you request the code. He told the warranty only voids, if you enter the code. Because first he said: it probably should not. But I asked him if it probably does not or surely does not. Then he talked to his boss and I was told warranty 100% only voids if you actually type the code into your phone and unlock its bootloader. Maybe more ppl dare to resquest it, if they know bout this.

Cheers
[Moto X General] samwathegreat:
I would say: don't do it just to add your code to the database. We still have zero correlating data whatsoever.

If you are interested in helping (and have lots of free time), disassemble the Motopocalypse unlock file with Hex-Rays and try to learn how it works. Then perhaps you could take Dan's vulnerability disclosure report and attempt to make a working tool...
[Moto X General] KidJoe:
Not to doubt what you were verbally told, BUT... the WRITTEN WORD on their web site says (bold added by me)....

"...Unless you have a Developer Edition device, once you get the unlock code, your device is no longer covered by the Motorola warranty; in other words, please don't blame us if things go wrong, even if they appear unrelated to unlocking the bootloader."

And later, when going through the process, you get a similar warning (I went through a long time ago)...

That being said, Moto may have many "informal" processes and policies they follow (think reports of first screen break being covered..), but we can't rely on that.

I would proceed with caution unlocking the bootlaoder (unless you have a dev edition) because if a dispute arises, the written word will supersede the verbally told information, as there will be no proof of something said, and it would be their word against yours.
[Moto X General] trentonmc24:
Everyone seems to worry like crazy about losing their warranty from unlocking the bootloader. What's the failure rate of these phones?
[Moto X General] samwathegreat:
Agreed! Probably something in the order of 0.001 (1 in 1,000)? That's my guess anyways...

The fact is....most "failures" seems to arise from people who HAVE unlocked doing things they shouldn't.....downgrading, etc. If they would just READ, it would probably be more like 0.0001 (1 in 10,000)...
[Moto X General] adolfo778:
I've broken the warranty on many phones, I bricked a One X and had a Xperia Z that wouldn't turn on and they replaced them without question, they don't even care to check most of the time
[Moto X General] samwathegreat:
That's not failure...that's abuse. YOU bricked the phone...then claimed warranty....

That raises prices for all of us.

Its no wonder the manufacturers are trying to lock devices down so tight these days. They're tired of people doing things they shouldn't and then attempting to claim warranty replacements...
[Moto X General] pjsockett:
Actually 1 in 1,000 would be .1%
[Moto X General] samwathegreat:
Correct you are. Removed the % signs to make it correct.... 0.001 = 1 in 1,000 while (as you correctly state) 0.1% = 1 in 1,000.

Darn those percent signs!
[Moto X General] jayboyyyy:
If they thought it raised prices or reduced their revenue they would have checked to see if the warranty was valid. Right or wrong, it effects prices as much as it cost to purchase a flying unicorn.
[Moto X General] samwathegreat:
The global IT Industry would seem to disagree with you....

"Service abuse and warranty fraud (hereafter referred to simply as “warranty fraud”) has been a hot topic in our CompTIA services communities as well as within the industry at large over the past year. And well it should be; recent research by PwC estimates that the cost to the industry is between 3 to 5 percent of revenue. We have all been touched in one way or another by warranty fraud. It’s a pervasive industry problem that, much like shoplifting,

can inflate the cost of goods and services to businesses

. Unlike shoplifting, warranty fraud is an extremely broad term that applies all the way from well-meaning (but incorrect) consumers who unintentionally submit fraudulent claims, to criminal organizations that systematically exploit procedural weaknesses within large manufacturers’ programs. Yet, despite all the stories and industry awareness, many OEMs cannot accurately quantify their warranty fraud and service abuse exposure."

http://www2.comptia.org/events/events/amm/news.aspx?BlogTagID=dca93ec9-f8c7-4a56-b72c-9c1325847690

But anyways...
[Moto X General] bigv5150:
The way I see it if you bricked your phone and send it back you get a refurbished unit. All they do with your bricked phone is check it doesn't have any physical damage and fix the brick. It then gets sent to another with a warranty issue. I can't see how that is costing moto that much in revenue.

One other point I get that if your not part of the solution your part of the problem. However after years of doing the right thing I have come to a conclusion. Get everything you can because everyone else is doing it causing you to pay higher prices already. There is a fine line in doing what is right and being a sucker. I don't believe in theft but if I unlocked my phone the bricked it and sent it back to moto and they replaced it without doing their due diligence that's on them. Is it up to me to tell them to check my phone? I think not the burden is on them. Also just because a company has a policy it doesn't mean they always enforce the policy. Everything I have seen so farther supports the latter when it comes to moto and bricked phones.

sent from "my kungfu is stronger then yours" XT1080
[Moto X General] PiousInquisitor:
The article you linked to is 4 years old. One would think in that time they could have solved some of the fraud problems.
[Moto X General] samwathegreat:
Guys...do you really think fraud has changed in the past 4 years? Fraud is fraud. If you want to rationalize it to yourself, be by guest.

Why do you think the MODS close threads immediately upon suspicion of fraud? Here is a good example: http://xdaforums.com/moto-x/moto-x-qa/how-to-permanently-brick-phone-t2856062

No matter how you dice it up or rationalize it, claiming warranty on a phone that YOU bricked is fraud. You are breaking a contractual warranty agreement. I wish that Moto would send back devices that were obviously bricked because of user stupidity to their owners and deny them warranty. Unfortunately, that costs them money and future business as well. We know that 'q-fuses' such as used to unlock the bootloader can NOT be un-blown. If you unlock your BL and send in your phone for warranty repair, moto has 2 options. They can either toss the mainboard out, or (if it is even possible), re-map the q-fuse location to a spare area and re-write the underlying firmware to use the new locations.

Either option costs money. Not to mention the fact that technically, you voided your warranty when you modified your device.

It frustrates the heck out of me! If people would just read, and research before modifying their devices, nearly all of these 'bricks' could be prevented.

You want to say that claiming warranty on a device you bricked doesn't raise prices? Whatever. But at the very least, it encourages OEMs to lock the devices down tighter and tighter. If you claim warranty on a bricked device, you are contributing to this problem. And it IS fraud...

Next time you purchase an 'unrootable' or 'non-unlockable' device, you can thank yourself for the situation if you are one of these people who commits such fraud.

I'm over this. This fraud-rationalization has really irritated me. I'm not getting involved in this discussion further....

My thread (and XDA in general) isn't the place to talk about fraud-rationalization - take the discussion elsewhere. Fraud, committing fraud, encouraging others to commit fraud, rationalizing fraud -- be it Insurance or Warranty is not OK to discuss here at XDA. Go to Howard Forums or anywhere but here.
[Moto X General] bigv5150:
Its not fraud sorry but its not. All you did is send in your device. If they wish they can deny the warranty. This goes for any warranty. Just because you mod something and try to get it repaired under warranty does not constitute fraud. The only way it would be fraud is if you try to deceive the manufacturer by false statements or other means. Just not adhering to their policy does not mean its fraud. All it gives them are grounds to deny the warranty. By the way there are enough things in this world to get upset about. Don't let this bother you that much.

I also just checked out the link you posted. Seems the mod didn't even ask why he wanted to brick his phone. Even though it may have been apparent he never bothered to ask. That seemed ridiculous to close the thread. But if those are XDA rules than so be it.

sent from "my kungfu is stronger then yours" XT1080
[Moto X General] PiousInquisitor:
I think the moral of this whole thread is to buy developer edition phones. Ones like the X whose warranty remains after the bootloader is unlocked.
[Moto X General] bigv5150:
Actually I think the moral should be learn how to fix your damn phone if you screw it up. Or don't mess with it at all.

sent from "my kungfu is stronger then yours" XT1080
[Moto X General] :
By sending in your phone under warranty. You are saying that you followed the policy for returns under warranty. Its fraud, no way around it. Trying to justify it is just ignorant.
[Moto X General] aviwdoowks:
No different than sabotage to a toaster oven to get a warrant claim. Not prosecutable or discoverable, but fraud indeed. Edit, so its your conscious to satisfy....
[Moto X General] adolfo778:
Your overthinking this. motherboard overheated when I plugged It into a third charger car charger. So I thought I'd call HTC and ask if I can send my phone in knowing the warranty was voided because the phone was S-Off and all that good stuff, so I sent it in knowing there's a chance I wouldn't get it back and they sent a new one. End of story

I used to be part of the XDA marketplace here and alot of members did the same sending Thier rooted/unlocked phones in and most if not all were given new devices. Don't see it as fraud as much as I see it that the manufactures don't seem to check if they sent my phone back then I would have gladly took it back
[Moto X General] Archangel:
Lets get this thread back on track. Has anyone heard of any dev attempting to work this exploit?
[Moto X General] samwathegreat:
jcase expressed that he had no interest, mentioned Dan, but Dan never responded. No word from any other Devs. That's all I know.
[Moto X General] pjsockett:
I think the only chance at this point is if there was some kind of deal made that nothing would be released until all of the updates were pushed out, although I think it is more likely that Dan doesn't want to deal with the same issues of whinny ungrateful people as he has on previous releases. I am betting that if we haven't seen anything by now we never will.

I got my phone on the initial release day, there was no developer option at that time. I have been really happy with this phone and never really saw the need to look for mod constantly so I never saw any info on the middleman unlock until it was done. I would happily pay $45 for an unlock if it was still an option for me.
[Moto X General] twinkyz1979:
the middleman has been back for a little while now.
[Moto X General] bigv5150:
Yeah but he got his phone in 2013. The Chinese unlock codes can only be gotten for 2014 phones now.

sent from "my kungfu is stronger then yours" XT1080
[Moto X General] jessewisener:
Maybe this is obvious, but are unlock codes unique to IMEI numbers? Does ChinaGuy have to go find the specific code for each IMEI? Seems tedious. Also, seems improbable that if he is an employee at Motorola or working with one that nobody there has caught on to him/them yet.
[Moto X General] jbanti:
Successfully posted mine From Official Site.. Plz Add XT1033 To the list ty....
[Moto X General] aviwdoowks:
Begs the outrageous Q: is it intentional? Boost the legacy of this piece of hardware?
[Moto X General] KidJoe:
We don't know much about the China Middleman, and the actual person who has access to the codes and how.

We do know.. send your IMEI and payment, and get your code. So far, all unlock codes have been unique. So, as has been speculated many times since the original China web site source, and the middlemen sprung up, and then dissappeared and came back... and due to some of the replies.. the Middle Man (or the person the middleman gets the codes from) appears to have access to a Database from moto, or a dump of a db from moto... to do this, the middleman would have to be an employee, or know an employee who can dump it. Its doubtful they have a bootloader unlock code generator.
[Moto X General] jessewisener:
Yeah, something along the lines of a generator was what I was getting at, like the ye olde keygens of olde. I agree, it's unlikely. But to be honest the whole thing is unlikely.

Just wish he would release it for free.