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[Verizon LG G3] Stick2daScript:
I'm not too sure if this throttle thing has anything to do with the YouTube issue. I'm fortunate to still have unlimited data and YouTube is the only place I'm experiencing this problem. I just watched 2 movies on Netflix without a single stutter....

Edit: I'm 100% sure this is a YouTube problem....NO DEBATING! I just installed three 3rd party YouTube apps (FREEdi, Video Tube and Viral) with no issues.

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[Verizon LG G3] SOCOM-HERO:
Thanks VZW! You already throttled Netflix, now this?
[Verizon LG G3] INCREMENTAL:
I can confirm earlier tried to watch a video on 480p, couldn't watch it without buffering, this was with solid 4g signal. Then went into viral video app, watched the same video in 1080p on the same 4g connection and never buffered, it's definitely a issue with YouTube.
[Verizon LG G3] Crooke356:
You're right. It's definitely YouTube. Odd thing is I can stream great in the mornings until 1030am.. Maybe 11. I can tell you that when I wake up at 530am I can stream without issue until 1030. Then, the next time I try at 1115am, it's throttled. So these hours and see if this is the case with anyone else.
[Verizon LG G3] Stick2daScript:
This is true too...I also noticed that from around 11am till 11pm there is the buffering issue with the YouTube app. Maybe YouTube is doing something during those hours.

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[Verizon LG G3] Influxvisions:
Well, they start now I guess, supposed to start on October but I can feel that Verizon is going downhill with this stupid **** they doing. I'm switching to T-Mobile since I just test my 3G working on T-Mobile at full 4Glte speed.

http://bgr.com/2014/07/25/verizon-unlimited-data-throttling/

LG G3
[Verizon LG G3] distortedloop:
Those being throttled should use VPN to hide the traffic from VZW.

I have t-mobile unlimited on my M7. It's great...when I can actually get a signal. Sadly the second I go inside any kind of large building, like my office, or the mall, or a large warehouse/grocery store, its risky useless. Can't even get EDGE signal. This is in Los Angeles, not some little out of the way town. My Verizon phone penetrates all those places, even into the central elevator shaft of my office building. By the way I'm in an outside corner of my building, but the T-Mobile tower is on the opposite side and just can't get through to my side of the building.

Good luck to you giving up Verizon's great coverage, I hope you don't come to regret it.

Some of you are gloating too much over the upcoming unlimited user's throttling. Its only for the top 5% of high users, and only if the tower they're on is congested. That means 95% of us have nothing to worry about.
[Verizon LG G3] johnciaccio:
http://gigaom.com/2014/07/25/verizo...ds-for-its-heaviest-unlimited-plan-customers/
[Verizon LG G3] Crooke356:
What surprised me, is that 4.6gb is the top 5%. I think most people who have fought to keep their unlimited data so long is because they use it. "Contested areas".. What's VZW's criteria for congested? I have a feeling it's not gonna take too much for them to label it as such. I'm one who won't be able to just jump ship because of this, unfortunately. I need their coverage. However, I also need the data. Hopefully a solution will present itself.. Or as you believe, it won't be that bad. Lol, VZW hasn't left me with much optimism.
[Verizon LG G3] johnciaccio:
vpn will not hide the fact that you are using a lot of data from verizon. Only the end point (youtube) will be fooled. You will still be using a lot of data and will get throttled. It may help with specific services being throttled, however as more people use a vpn verizon will just start to throttle all your traffic. Most likely they are already starting to do that..

I will make this easy for people. If you are a high data user and and want unlimited: Go to T-mobile or Sprint.

Otherwise go to a regular plan and pay for how much you use. Then if they still throttle you complain to Verizon.
[Verizon LG G3] jrizk07:
So this has nothing to do with throttling from Verizon whatsoever but it has everything to do with Verizon/Google peering issues.

Verizon has severe congestion issues and won't pay for bigger bandwidth pipes to certain websites (ex. YouTube) Which is why you notice the problem gets worse during peak times.

This has been a hot topic lately, the more we complain to Verizon the faster they'll actually respond to the issue and do something about it.
[Verizon LG G3] Neuromancer0525:
might work

I used to have the same issue on my lg optimus g , try going into app settings and uninstalling the updates then see if it works. weird I know but it worked for me
[Verizon LG G3] squidder:
Dude don't do it. You aren't being throttled. It is simply a YouTube problem right now which is why Netflix etc are working just fine.

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This isn't even guaranteed to happen. It could be there just in case. We don't know until it happens. Either way, we still have unlimited and you won't. So enjoy your non throttled phone for 2 GB and then not be able to use it at all. Lmfao
[Verizon LG G3] johnciaccio:
Also they said that throttling would happen only if you are on a congested cell site and have past all the other criteria.

However if people bother to do a bit of googling they would quickly see there are problems with the newer versions of the youtube app.
[Verizon LG G3] Rippley05:
Ahh a nerve was struck. That's karma. Abuse the network then rub it in people's faces...get throttled.

It's great
[Verizon LG G3] JesseMT4G:
I can't even watch a video right now, just constantly loading.

I swear tmobile is so much better if you get signal. I have them and Verizon for work phone as I need to be accessible for my work.

Have 40mbs down and 10up on tmobile and maybe 8 down and 5up on big red... It's a joke! Don't care how congested it is, they are supposedly #1 wireless carrier. Need to do something Bout that. I will say at least I feel safer while on the job as I was having no signal with tmobile in certain areas of PA.

New job....
[Verizon LG G3] scriz:
Works fine for me on my g2. Will test my g3 when it gets here Wednesday.
[Verizon LG G3] distortedloop:
That's the rub.

Your post could have been written by me with those numbers.

T-Mobile *is* throttled on unlimited by virtue of you can't get a signal half the time you're inside a building.

8 down is better than no signal...
[Verizon LG G3] JesseMT4G:
Really, funny my tmobile phone is sitting here in my house with full 4G LTE signal to where my Verizon is on 3G in my house, granted on wifi, but still... If not for needing it for work, I'd laugh in the savings.

Matter of fact just called tmobile as they are running a promotion and saved 50 bucks on my family plan, just.... Like... That...

I can't stand Verizon, had no choice in the matter.
[Verizon LG G3] distortedloop:
Haters gonna hate.

I invite you to come to my office, or the local mall, or the local Costco, all here in suburban Los Angeles and then tell me how wonderful T-Mobile's service is.

You're clearly one of the lucky ones who has good t-mobile coverage everywhere you need it. I'll wager you're in the minority nationally.

The best cell provider is just like real estate, it's all about location, location, location.

I'll have a tough time justifying keeping my T-Mo service once my contact expires, considering ask the dead zones in my area.
[Verizon LG G3] JesseMT4G:
Not hating, I have both sitting right here. Just pointing out the facts I see.

Trust me, in the city around here anyway, nothing comes close to tmobile data speeds. Even get HD voice, which is crystal clear. It can't compete in those areas.

Now when I get out in the boonies, that's where Verizon shines. I switched jobs recently and need to easily get ahold of, unfortunately. Tmobile was dead spots everywhere as I am in the hills, some mountains. I couldn't even place a call, let alone check something out data wise. I had no choice.

Really wish tmobile could use that verizon stuff they recently purchased as I might get signal then.

Sucks having to spend on one line with Verizon that I could practically get two on tmobile. Heck my 5 phone line on tmobile is only 100 something more now. 4 phones on jump program to boot... I am stuck on two year contract again.
[Verizon LG G3] johnciaccio:
I don't think bog red is advertising the best data speeds right now. However as a whole you do get better coverage just not the fastest speeds in the overlap areas.

I actually like tmobile better as there 3g (HSPA+) has higher speed then Verizon. And you do hit plenty of 3g only areas with Verizon.

I will be honest. I like Verizon as they are more lenient on the Edge plans as long as you make your payments on time.
[Verizon LG G3] distortedloop:
I'm going to respond to several posts without quoting them.

If VZW is indeed throttling YouTube, then using VPN to test will reveal that. It will also get you around it until it doesn't. Acknowledging that VZW could someday just throttle all your traffic.

I have one phone on T-Mobile, unlimited voice, data, texts. With corporate discount it costs me $85/mo.

I have four phones on Verizon. One is a voice only dumb phone. One is 4gb data, two are unlimited data. The account shares 700 minutes and no texting, we use Google Voice for texting, and only 200 or do paid minutes per month. That account costs $175/mo with corporate discount.

Seems to me VZW is a much better deal, at least for me. For twice the price I get four voice lines, 2 unlimited data lines and 4gb for the kid.

Re VZW speed, it's all about where you're at. I just pulled 55 mb/s on VZW XLTE using speed test. T-Mobile's never gone over 40 mb/s on HSPA in my area. This is in my home area. Near work VZW is around 8-1mb/s, T-Mo 20+ outside, but dead zone inside.

YMMV, of course.
[Verizon LG G3] Crooke356:
Curiosity here.. What do you mean "abuse" the network?
[Verizon LG G3] johnciaccio:
If I was constantly streaming video especially HD Video, receiving large downloads, downloads or seeding torrents I would be considered abusing the network. You have to remember these are cell sites. This is not your home comcast internet service or such. You are sharing it with other people. Cell sites as internet providers is a developing technology. Coverage upgrades in this country costs a lot of money to providers so users should consider all this before using as their main or only internet service.

Tiered data users are the ones who are really paying for these network improvements and should get best access.
[Verizon LG G3] squidder:
Dude. No nerve was struck. Remember I am the one with unlimited. Also what do you think unlimited means? 10 GB? 20 GB? Call me crazy but I thought unlimited meant unlimited. It is a deal me and Verizon agreed upon and I pay my bill every month. I intend to use what I paid for and what Verizon agreed to. This is not abuse no matter how hard you try to make it seem like it is. You are just jealous of unlimited users and obviously it is you whose nerve was struck. Even if I do end up being throttled I'd still rather have unlimited instead of a set amount of data that if I get close to going over I can't use my phone except to make calls. You are laughing at us unlimited users even though we have the better plans whether we get throttled or not. While we are laughing at you for you thinking you are striking are nerves by effectively saying "haha haha I have limited data and you have unlimited"

It's highly moronic and definitely made my day. Thanks for that.

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Ahh so what you are saying is if I use the phone doing the things THEY ADVERTISE (netflix, Hulu, cloud, downloading large files) I'm abusing it. The only thing that would be considered abuse would be the torrents. You are also making it seem like home internet users don't share bandwidth with other customers which isn't true.
[Verizon LG G3] johnciaccio:
Technically your contract was for two years. The unlimited data users still have are grandfathered and Verizon actually has been doing it out of courtesy. They do not have to continue allowing it and if users continue to put to much traffic on crowded cell sites they much decide to ended the unlimited data totally. This would be their own fault.

Hopefully in the future we can all enjoy unlimited data without issues.

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Keyword there is constantly not occasionally. There is a difference.
[Verizon LG G3] squidder:
Why does everyone believe there is no more unlimited because of abuse? This is for money reasons. Period. It lines their pockets when people go over their data allowance. If unlimited users were really putting a strain on towers that Verizon couldn't handle they would give every unlimited user the boot. They wouldn't just let it keep happening and believe that magically unlimited users were all going to quit using more than 8 GB of data.

Also obviously I know I am technically not on contract but my point remains 100%. We signed a contract with those terms. Verizon is allowing me to be grandfathered to those terms so until they give me the boot I have the same right to download however much I want as I did when I was on contract.
[Verizon LG G3] johnciaccio:
Also there is a difference between home internet throughout cable or dsl vs going through a cell site.
[Verizon LG G3] squidder:
Wow thanks for letting me know there is a difference in constantly and occasionally. You're very smart. Maybe you can also tell me the definition of unlimited. Again, They never said unlimited with a * "you can only download 20gb. Or you can only use it 5 hours a day." I am paying for what they agreed to. In no way shape or form is that abuse.
[Verizon LG G3] johnciaccio:
It does affect users on crowded towers. I had Clear for a while as my internet provider and the service was up and down all day long because of congestion. Spent way to much time complaing about it.

This is why they are or will start throttling at the most crowded sites only.
[Verizon LG G3] distortedloop:
Unlimited plan holders pay a monthly fee just like everyone else, it's not like they're getting a free ride.

Also, one could argue that to be an unlimited user, you must be a long time user, which means we've paid a lot of money to build out and support the network in the first place. To those of you who are newer to the network...you're welcome to use the network we paid for to be built, but we should get best access as proven loyal customers. LOL
[Verizon LG G3] eraursls1984:
IMO the only way to "abuse" your unlimited data is if you tether without paying. In the agreement we made with Verizon that's the only caveat. I wish Google would add the caching feature back to YouTube watch later, my data usage has tripled since they removed it. I think they have a deal with the carrier's though.
[Verizon LG G3] Crooke356:
Yes, traffic will affect speeds. I have unlimited data and pay for hotspot. I use a lot of data and will continue to do so. I do NOT believe this is abuse. VZW has plenty of profit margin to continue to upgrade their services. I understand bandwidth is limited but not so limited as to charge what is being charged. VZW still offers unlimited plans to businesses. Where I work, in fact. So unlimited plans are NOT killing the VZW resources, otherwise they wouldn't be offered at all. They just want more money. Offering unlimited data to businesses still makes sense to VZW, apparently. If VZW offered an unlimited package for personal plans, I would be willing to pay quite a bit for it. As it stands, they haven't kicked me off my unlimited plan yet and until they do, I'll keep it. And use it.

Look at text messages. Free and unlimited in the beginning, then you had to pay for the amount once they became popular. No strain on network there. Hell, look at minutes. This is ALL about money. If anyone is abusing anyone, it's the carriers abusing their customers. I'm surprised this is even a topic.
[Verizon LG G3] sethmo:
I just got my G3 and I cannot watch YouTube on 4g LTE without it buffering every 5 seconds. I just did a Speedtest on LTE and I got 47mbps down/11mbps up.

If I switch to my work's ****ty wifi(3mbps down/1mbps up), I can stream youtube without issue, same when I am on my home wifi.

I am on a grandfathered unlimited plan, but I fail to see how that factors into any of this.

PS.

My old POS HTC DNA had zero issues streaming Youtube on 4g in the same locations I am trying to use my new G3.
[Verizon LG G3] Rippley05:
I am not on unlimited, and my YouTube buffers. It's Verizon
[Verizon LG G3] johnciaccio:
I think we have come to the conclusion that is a problem with the YouTube app. Don't know the cause yet though. If you Google it you see it is not just Verizon. Try to check out with Google some more. Maybe there is a fix by now.
[Verizon LG G3] jestinm:
Verizon is throttling data speed over 4.7 gb / month

Yep, they have started network optimization or throttling till less traffic on same cell site.
[Verizon LG G3] jrizk07:
Again. It's not an app problem, and it's not a throttling issue. The issue lies with the routes that Verizon and YouTube agree to use to transfer data between each others respective infrastructure.

This is the same concept except with YouTube/Google -

http://mashable.com/2014/07/29/netflix-att-peering-deal/
[Verizon LG G3] droidrev71:
It's not the app imo. When I'm at home I can't play a YouTube video with 10gb download and 4gb upload at 360p. I leave home and get on a different tower no issues at 1080p.

It's Verizon throttling my ass at home where I stay 90 percent of my time. My experience can't be any more clear for what's happening. I'm at 9.5gb with 5 days left on my cycle. Never had any issues until as of late.
[Verizon LG G3] johnciaccio:
Still have have not convinced me that the two are at all related. I guess. Google is probably the only one that knows what is going on. This issue effects people who are not on either network. But since it does not effect me there is no reason to continue this discussion.

Good luck.
[Verizon LG G3] jrizk07:
It affects people on other networks too, it's not just tied to Verizon. My point was that it isn't a throttling/app issue. I'm glad it doesn't affect you.....for now. Ignore it if you like, They couldn't convince people the world was actually round either...
[Verizon LG G3] droidrev71:
I know you don't have the answer, but if I am away from my house I don't have YouTube issues. This issue has started about 3 weeks ago. I have a few phones and they all have the same result. My wife's iPhone 5 gets the same speeds and no issues at our house like I have. She uses one tenth the data I use. Tomorrow I'm putting her SIM in my phone and will see if I get the same result. I believe I'm getting throttled but whatever the case may be it's bs
[Verizon LG G3] droidrev71:
After several back n forth conversions with Verizon on Twitter my YouTube app is working today! Don't know why or how.

https://www.dropbox.com/sc/j0ebk746hhe5jld/AAA9-CKmNibMH6dgeUDMdMnua
[Verizon LG G3] Crooke356:
Mine started working today as well. Changed nothing.

cRookeD Nexus 5
[Verizon LG G3] droidrev71:
Very odd I'd say that this has happened. Glad it's working and hopefully stays that way.
[Verizon LG G3] Crooke356:
Another guy who commented on a YouTube video I posted about this, his is working now as well.

cRookeD Nexus 5
[Verizon LG G3] droidrev71:
Glad to hear.
[Verizon LG G3] INCREMENTAL:
Since we're all on the throttling issue, I'll just leave this here. http://9to5mac.com/2014/07/30/fcc-throttles-verizon-wireless-over-plans-to-throttle-customers/

READ IT, I find it funny
[Verizon LG G3] squidder:
Negative. If that was the case people wouldn't have been able to use YouTube in their browsers with no issues.
[Verizon LG G3] jam.i.s0n:
I've worked at a verizon premium retailer and I saw a guy with unlimited data and using as a whole 200gb. 40gb was the minimum of one phone.
[Verizon LG G3] sebastianraven:
I too have an unlimited plan and I'm streaming on the low end at 9Mbps. Major lag after watching a couple videos. Usually in the evening.

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If you guys have time, check out the Google Consumption Report on your phone:

https://www.google.com/get/videoqualityreport/

This will show when you watch the most and how you're watching.
[Verizon LG G3] Stick2daScript:
The key words here are the guy had "unlimited data"...which means NO LIMIT. He could use a terabyte if he chooses to. It seems that some people have an issue what "unlimited" means. This "network optimization" term Verizon is throwing around is a bunch of bull! If you're on a unlimited plan, high data usage can somehow cause an issue, but if you pay for a large amount of data and use it, it will be fine??? Its all about the money....not to mention that they allow other carriers to use their towers. If it was such a traffic issue, why even allow that?

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[Verizon LG G3] distortedloop:
I've got two unlimited lines and one 4 gb line.

I'm not defending targeted throttling of unlimited plan users, but there's a bit of logic to it that your argument ignores:

Those with limited plans will self throttle to avoid going over their limit, those on unlimited won't.

I see this behaviour in my own usage habits. On my unlimited phones, I will stream music or YouTube in high quality all day long without thinking about it. I will autoupload photos and videos on 4g. I will download or stream video podcasts in 4g.

On my 4gb plan phone, I will lower YouTube resolution to save bandwidth, I will only upload on WiFi, I won't do video podcasts, etc, etc. I in effect self-throttle and therefore put less traffic on the network.

You may not like that logic, but it's real world, and I think it's safe to assume that it is what is driving Verizon to look at unlimited users. Of course the money they could get from making someone pay for 100 gb at $10/gb is a major consideration.
[Verizon LG G3] alcor34:
Settings

Youtube was working horribly for me on the G3 while using my cellular data. This never happened on the G2, and it doesn't happen on WIFI of course. However, I went into the settings of the YouTube app on my G3 and switched the general setting to limit quality on mobile network. And boom. No lag, no stutter, no buffering. Vids play instantly, and in good quality. Granted, not as good as on WiFi, but still.

Sorry if this is late to the game, but I just came across this post.
[Verizon LG G3] droidguy22:
Lol, you are watching 360p/480p on QHD:laugh:, what's the point in using G3:silly:
[Verizon LG G3] ReyStunner:
Thank goodness I thought it was just me.

I have an HTC M8 since April, used to play videos on network perfectly till a couple weeks ago. I dont have unlimited but im not on the share everything that theyve been tryna push down my throat. I dont think its throttling because speeds are great everywhere else, even navigating within the YouTube app, its only video playback.

I hope theres a fix or workaround for this quick cuz its pissing me off.
[Verizon LG G3] 1Thess523:
I uninstalled YouTube updates (Application Manager). Now, it plays videos perfectly - no stuttering or buffering at all.

Apparently this issue was universal with the YouTube apps for Android and iOS and affected all wireless carriers.

Google Product Forums

https://productforums.google.com/forum/m/#!msg/youtube/IHocFLf4B5I/Q4OlH8oYmDMJ

The discuss dates back to 2013 but also includes discussion from these recent issues.

*Edited to provide link