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[Moto X General] mtcrew:
In response to the small claims court..

True but I'm sure Motorola's lawyer could walk you around several blocks and discredit your case within 5 minutes. Small claims court does not mean small claims lawyer. Knowing some lawyers myself, they can quickly change the narrative to their clients favor.
[Moto X General] bigv5150:
It would cost motorola more in lawyer fees than just giving you a new phone. Never going to happen all they care about is bottom line cost.
[Moto X General] TCPDump:
The reason that carriers prevent boot loader unlocks is to ensure uniform and network safe functionality among all devices consuming their network resources. A phone can cause issues with the network regardless of rather the user is under contract or not...
[Moto X General] fakieskr8333:
i dont buy into to that, but i dont wanna clog the thread with my (probably incorrect) opinion lol
[Moto X General] pjsockett:
Yet they sell developer versions of the same phones? That makes no sense at all, if that were the case there would be no exceptions.

They know that phones people tinker with are more likely to be returned and the corresponding tech support and replacements cost them money. People paying full retail on a dev phone are far more likely to know what they are doing and will have less issues. If the dev phone users do need support they have paid more up front to justify the cost of support/replacement over a subsidized user. Again, it's all about the bottom line, but they need to spin to a quality/customer satisfaction angle so they look better.
[Moto X General] beelbeel:
I was pretty excited about the bootloader unlock until I saw that sunshine root costs $25 to use. I definitely appreciate the work that went into the app, but there is nothing about this phone that I need to change that badly. For me, rooting was only about fairly minor tweaks that I have already lived without for almost a year. I'm sure there are plenty of people who will bite, given that people were paying $40 to unlock their phones a few months ago.
[Moto X General] Tigerstown:
Sunshine is for s-off an unlock. Of course after you run that then you can obtain root yourself. I agree i wouldn't pay 25 for root but I gladly paid 25 for s-off.
[Moto X General] PeterDLai:
I've had a 2013 Moto X sitting around on 4.4.2 so I'm definitely looking forward to this!
[Moto X General] smartazz69:
Sunshine

Where do I find the Sunshine for the $25
[Moto X General] eksasol:
Look like getting a used Moto X Sprint would be an affordable option with bootloader unlock and sim unlocked to use with GSM.
[Moto X General] pjsockett:
theroot.ninja is the website for sunshine but the current version does not support Moto yet. We nee to wait for a new version to be released. $25 is assuming the model they are using for HTC devices does not change with the Motorola addition.
[Moto X General] GreenMunky:
Just for clarification, will Sunshine work for 4.4.4?
[Moto X General] sivarticus85:
Don't know yet. It's unknown if the exploit used was patched prior to 4.4.4 being released. However, the exploit was revealed in July at BlackHat, and the 4.4.4 software was submitted to carriers for approval before that, so I'd say there's a pretty good chance this was missed. Also, a few other members here mentioned that the TrustZone partition didn't appear to be updated with that latest OTA (at least on Verizon), which is where the vulnerability exists, so there's that as well. We'll just have to wait and see.
[Moto X General] Wansanta:
If you have Verizon and unlimited data, it costs $30/mo to WiFi tether. With root, you can WiFi tether for free. Well worth $25.
[Moto X General] beelbeel:
That's a good point. My company pays for my phone and for tethering, however.

I'll reevaluate it once the tool is out. Perhaps some compelling reasons to pay $25 will pop up, but I'm pretty happy with the phone right now.
[Moto X General] smartazz69:
Sunshine root

I have the unlimited data and would love to be able to hack the vzw entitlement hack
[Moto X General] Wansanta:
I wouldn't unlock and root a company phone unless I owned the company.

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Once I unlocked the bootloader and rooted, I used the Xposed modules Moto Tether and then Root Cloak and I froze the MyVerizon app. As I understand it, Moto Tether prevents a request from ever being sent to Verizon so Verizon never detects that you are using the WiFi mhs. And root cloak prevents verizon from detecting that you are rooted.
[Moto X General] KidJoe:
I don't believe Sunshine will S-OFF Motos. I think it will just unlock the bootloader.
[Moto X General] fakieskr8333:
Moto doesn't have s-off or on. I think that is an HTC thing. But its basically the same thing just different words.
[Moto X General] EcHoFiiVe:
Lol I like how most people on here are like, "I haven't updated yet! I'm still on 4.4.2!!" Yet I'm over here on 4.4.... Lol
[Moto X General] HardBoiledGregg:
Lucky you... I might send for a repair though, as part of my headphone jack (headphones turned) it just goes out. If I do, fingers crossed it comes as a 4.4
[Moto X General] 1ad_m12:
Why are you still on 4.4?
[Moto X General] fakieskr8333:
That's the only version with full root and no write protection.
[Moto X General] TCPDump:
Well, I understand your skepticism. I have seen the effects first hand. Part of the problem is that many "devs" are actually folks who patch together a bunch of ROM "parts" that they didn't write, or have any conceptual understanding of how they function. These include ROMs, kernels, radio images, etc. I'm not here to start drama so I won't mention any names, but I have seen some of XDAs most popular ROMs literally consume many channels on a CDMA tower because some "dev" inadvertently changed the paging cycle on the modem. Most likely because they had no idea what they were tweaking. I've seen custom ROMs cause service problems on cell sites because for voice and 3G data channels.

The reality is that Verizon has the biggest, and most reliable network. This is due, in part, to the fact that they try to keep the home-brewed goodies on their network to a minimum. At the end of the day Verizon's network is very much like a corporate network. You must maintain control of devices on your network, software on devices on your network, etc., to maintain the integrity of it.
[Moto X General] 1ad_m12:
No I don't think so... I'm on an XT1058 for ATT with root and no write protection........
[Moto X General] TCPDump:
1. They tried allowing dev editions this time around to see how it would go. They wanted to try and cater to the "demands" of a very small group of users (developers, etc.). It went so well that they will never do it again. The Moto X+1, no dev edition on VZW this time around. It was fun while it lasted, but that shop sailed.

2. People paying full retail on a dev phone are far more likely to know what they are doing and will have less issues - You are partially/mostly correct. Just because someone has a desert eagle .50 cal pistol doesn't mean they have any idea how to use it. They might, they might not. Mostly they either know what to do with it, or they want to be cool. Regardless, things like unlocking the consumer model then takes that alleged responsible ownership angle you proposed and throws it out the window.
[Moto X General] samwathegreat:
Then you are either on 4.4 or unlocked, or using safestrap. The previous poster was correct...
[Moto X General] 1ad_m12:
using safestrap :good:

Edit: forgot to say I'm on 4.4.2 using the stock firmware via safestrap. My bootloader is from 4.4 and thats why I'm able to maintain no write protection.
[Moto X General] :
If so you have an unlocked bootloader. He doesn't. ;)

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Read that after I posted. ?
[Moto X General] 1ad_m12:
But like I was saying before... If the guy knows what hes doing he can run 4.4.2. Just go the safestrap route and don't upgrade the bootloader. I did it so thats why I was asking him why hes still on 4.4.... He was the one complaining about being on 4.4 lol. I could even tell him the steps if he wanted.
[Moto X General] KidJoe:
As I understand it, its not completely the same.

With s-off and my Incredible and Thunderbolt, I could up and downgrade full Roms at will. All parts.

With moto and unlocked boot loader, you can't downgrade the boot loader, partition table, tz, etc.
[Moto X General] fakieskr8333:
Valid point, I forgot about not being able to downgrade.
[Moto X General] :
Yeah, I'm no Dev, or scientist... But you are absolutely right of course. I don't think the X has any sort of s-off. The X just is what it is. You can't downgrade.... Don't like it... Too bad. Lol

HTC seems to have split up its security with a bootloader obviously and this s-off thing. I'm s-off.... But I'm still an M8 noob, and don't know 100%what it is. Lol But I had to have it. ?

It's something to do with writing to the system is all I know so far. Lol

Yup, I'm quite a noob over in that forum section. ?
[Moto X General] Tigerstown:
You don't need s-off with HTC if all you want is root an custom recovery less you r with Vzw as the block htcdev..well custom hboots requires s-off also downgrading as mention an you also remove the secure boot for starters. I was just saying I wouldn't pay 25 for root if thats all sunshine does if it unlocks the moto bootloader then I would pay it. I been following this thread thinking of getting a second phone is all.
[Moto X General] super65man:
If you guys have any specific questions I'd suggest asking jcase over his twitter, don't all spam him at once that might annoy him, but anytime I have had any questions he's always responded to me. I will state it, unless it isn't already answered and nobody has asked it in the the threads, DON'T ASK HIM. :D
[Moto X General] :
I think the whole point of the rumored sunshine for moto x is to unlock the bootloader. Root without write protection disabled is kinda useless... IMHO. ?
[Moto X General] Wansanta:
I am sure all of this is true. Still, I hate not being able to unlock my bootloader.
[Moto X General] TCPDump:
I get that, and can understand. I always unlock mine. Just trying to point out that there's good reasons. Verizon doesn't have this policy just to be meanies...
[Moto X General] samwathegreat:
Yeah...I suggest not asking *anything* until it is released, OR the devs comment further themselves.

I'm sure this was a little irritating... : http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?p=55327246#post55327246

Please don't annoy the devs, lest they regret revealing any of this to us...
[Moto X General] trentonmc24:
Some people have no patience at all. What makes you think a dev is going to tell you any more info than has already been released if you ask him. I just don't understand it, asking stupid questions isn't going to get anyone anything any faster. It'll be here when it gets here, if it's ever going to be released at all. Really wanna motivate a dev? How about that PayPal button?
[Moto X General] Durteedee:
Why does he exist...jcase already has had problems with moto community before, this guy isn't helping[emoji17] let the dudes do their things.

From the Dirty Droid Ultra
[Moto X General] Vintage144:
hasn't happened , isnt going to happen, well my bad , I bought a phone I didn't really investigate , probably going back to my OG Note its still alive and has kk , cm or twrp and anything else you wanna do , can't and don't give a damn about the greedy Networks. They aren't meanies they're greedies
[Moto X General] GeneralSchnook:
Totally agree with the paypal donation thing. Bounties never work, just donate flat out, people! Let the devs know how much you appreciate their hard work!

Patience is a virtue...
[Moto X General] DaRkRhiNe:
In the HTC thread jcase said they don't have anything to publish in the near future for Moto , Guess its gonna take a while.
[Moto X General] Markmaster:
So if I clearly understand: we f***ed - disagree?
[Moto X General] thelogman:
Just a thought, maybe he said this to avoid the inevitable, 10 million people asking him for an eta. If it were me I would do the same thing just so I wasn't constantly being pestered by inpatient people.
[Moto X General] Tigerstown:
So on moto all you do have to do is unlock bootloader to remove w/p...that's what I take from your post? I agree root is nothing without w/p disabled.
[Moto X General] :
Yup, unlock the bootloader and good to go!
[Moto X General] Tigerstown:
Well if the bootloader gets unlocked I'm getting a second phone that day. Lol
[Moto X General] Vintage144:
He shouldn't have said anything about an unlock, he should have just said he was working on solutions that would minimize the questions to Devs , trust just because xda says your a dev doesn't necessarily mean you are or are not , but there's alot of talent in here , I would post in android development only, jcase I'm sure wouldn't have released his code yet either but someone leaked it , im the finished prduct would have been better , he even said he had other plans for the project , but that's life , the way carriers are going they will lock all devices bl , its in there best interest and actually our community is relatively small compared to the consumer market , one reason why the carriers don't care about all this dev work, not mention this is actually an active recruiting board for tech companies as well
[Moto X General] charlieg90:
http://liguified.files.wordpress.com/2009/05/img_1990.jpg
[Moto X General] aviwdoowks:
Don't get the keyboard, but this thread sure needs a cleanup from ramblers like this
[Moto X General] Vintage144:
Haha, This thread is about speculation in the first place , which is basically rumor anyway !
[Moto X General] _litz:
This reminds me of the stock answer you always get from a CyanogenMod dev when asking for an ETA :

"at least a week".
[Moto X General] FirePsych:
No period (.)on the keyboard

. No period (.)anywhere in the post.
[Moto X General] IEcansuckit:
Glad I saw this thread. I was very seriously considering picking up a Dev edition on Verizon. Now I guess the only advantage of that would be the better storage space.
[Moto X General] Verttex:
The Dev edition is covered by the warranty. If this new unlocker works, it will make the warranty on our devices void.
[Moto X General] samwathegreat:
After reading the last 2-3 pages of comments.....

What part of "It's coming, BE PATIENT" do some of you not understand??

This thread is NOT about speculation. That doesn't help anything and it causes some of the ridiculous comments in the preceding couple of pages.

BE PATIENT! Once again: all will be revealed at release time.

The whole point of letting everyone know that **something was in the works for BL unlock** was to spread the word "Don't take any updates".

It's as simple as that: If you would like the possibility of an unlock, don't take any updates, and WAIT, **PATIENTLY** for news. Subscribe to the thread if you want actual updates.

No more nonsense or "we screwed" type messages. Why would someone post that?!?! You don't have any details and you are simply making assumptions based on absolutely nothing.

If you're so impatient that you are torn between taking a new update and possibly getting unlocked - maybe this isn't for you. Just update your phone and forget BL unlock if a couple minor bug fixes and a different color dialer are so important to you that you can't wait.

Lets keep the speculation to a minimum and ONLY post new relevant news that hasn't been discussed already.
[Moto X General] NipplesOfTheFuture:
He said there was no news to publish in the near future about potential Moto support.

In other words - don't ask for updates because there won't be any, but something is obviously in the works.
[Moto X General] Verttex:
Personally, I think we should lock this thread after this post. Too much speculation is going to cause rumors and false rumors will make us look bad.

Yes, we're all excited for the Bootloader Unlock.

Yes, we all have questions.

Yes, we all have to wait.

Yes, it will come eventually.

No, we don't know details.

No, we don't know a release date.

No, don't bother Jcase or Beanups.
[Moto X General] Aionism:
I updated my at&t to 4.4.4 as soon as it got out. What do?
[Moto X General] DaRkRhiNe:
Sit tight and wait for further news from devs
[Moto X General] :
Consider reading some before you post.
[Moto X General] easting:
Forum regulators at work....
[Moto X General] 640k:
second the closing (or purging at the least) of this thread. it has become a dumping ground.
[Moto X General] MArtyChubbs:
You, and now I, defeated the purpose of the post you replied to... There is a better way to show your approval. Look, don't ask... Just saying...
[Moto X General] samwathegreat:
Guys, I would have this thread locked, but since I'm not a mod, I wouldn't be able to unlock it in a reasonable amount of time.

Therefore it would be a dis-service to those subscribed to the thread as we would be unable to notify when it is available.

Hopefully people just read: quit posting nonsense. We don't have the answers yet.
[Moto X General] wrldruler:
Appears it may be moto g only:

https://twitter.com/TheRootNinja/status/510952677585326080
[Moto X General] samwathegreat:
For now, perhaps.

Given that jcase posted in this very forum, I'm rather convinced that it is coming eventually.
[Moto X General] aviwdoowks:
Just the one ready first
[Moto X General] EcHoFiiVe:
LADIES AND GENTLEMEN THE SAUCE OF AWESOME IS UPON IS
[Moto X General] jcase:
huh.

Who leaked what
[Moto X General] userjf:
I don't think so ... they said that he unlocked the "X" live on stage ... and that most SnapDragons are vulnerable.

http://www.droid-life.com/2014/08/07/moto-x-bootloader-unlock-qualcomm/

I read your link as in the "G" is included in this, not exclusive
[Moto X General] jcase:
This is 100% correct.

Heck, I was in a meeting with a carrier not to long ago, when they talked about a single app interfering with their network. A custom firmware can cause a lot of chaos, but don't bother telling people here that is one reason they lock things down, no one will believe the truth.
[Moto X General] userjf:
But they intentionally sell unlocked devices legitimately (like the moto X dev). Why would those be "safe" to their network while the hacked ones are not safe to the network?
[Moto X General] jcase:
Lower availability, less devices on the network that are unlocked, also in that case they immediately know who is on unlocked/unloackable devices and who isnt.
[Moto X General] TCPDump:
They are not safe for the network. The Moto X Dev Edition was a trial thing they did. Don't surprised if it never happens again on VZW. Can't say they didn't give it a fair shake.
[Moto X General] doitinthedirt:
Has anyone tried the boot unlock on a verizon moto x 4.4.4?
[Moto X General] Markmaster:
Do you mean with this app?
[Moto X General] pjsockett:
From twitter last night it sounds like it does not work, but it also sounds like the hang up is that 4.4.4 is not yet rooted. It didn't seem like the boot loader has been patched so there may be hope at some point just not right at release.
[Moto X General] doitinthedirt:
Thanks. I have a new verisen moto x warrenty replacement for one that reboots on its own.. arriving tomorrow hopefully the 444 update wasnt applied at the factory
[Moto X General] mbkintner:
I was under the impression that root was easily achieved after the bootloader is unlocked. Is that only if you unlock the bootloader via official means (i.e. not an exploit)?
[Moto X General] HardBoiledGregg:
It CAN be an exploit! :) Just have to flash recovery then supersu and BAM. Root.
[Moto X General] theascended:
Edited: Just delete this...
[Moto X General] PiousInquisitor:
LOL. And you are building a tool to allow this to happen. Want to see the carriers burn?
[Moto X General] jcase:
?

I was there as a researcher, it holds no bearing as to what I do
[Moto X General] PiousInquisitor:
So you aren't working on an tool to exploit the bootloader of the Moto X. Well that settles that. Good day.

FWIW I could care less if you or anyone releases any kind of tool to unlock the bootloader. I took Dans advice and bought a Dev Edition.
[Moto X General] jcase:
What is your problem, why are you putting words in my mouth?

Yes we will release a tool this week or next week, but it has nothing to do with my statement.
[Moto X General] Gtech145:
Just ignore him. Not everyone has a Developer edition.
[Moto X General] PiousInquisitor:
Im not. Im not trying to be hostile ether. Im guessing my first comment wasn't understood correctly. I may be missing something in your replies as well.

Please allow me to restate...

I find it funny that the carriers networks can be affected by custom firmware, the firmware that people are going to flash once they use your tool to unlock their bootloaders. You must not give a crap about the carriers and their networks.
[Moto X General] jcase:
Not my responsibility what broken idiotic firmware people run on their devices, nor is it my responsibility to maintain a carrier's network. I shouldn't have to hold a users hand and tell them what they are allowed to run run on their phones, not my job to teach "rom devs" or app developers how to not break things, nor should I be responsible for maintaining an outdated network.
[Moto X General] PiousInquisitor:
"Responsibility. Whats that? Responsibility. Not quite yet." LOL. Well, Ill think twice about joking around on (like my first post that got this started) XDA. Dis sheet iz sirius biznizz.

BTW i agree with the quoted stuff...
[Moto X General] easting:
Thanks for what you do for the community.
[Moto X General] Guicrith:
Will it work on 4.4.4 bootloader when it is rooted.
[Moto X General] doitinthedirt:
I dont want a custom Rom, but if that is what Verizon is requiring me to do in order to root my phone, than they get what they diserve! I simply want root so I can use my unlimited data plan the way I choose.
[Moto X General] shadowk91:
I think a recap maybe due here.

An exploit was achieved by Dan not long ago and to summarise he was able to successfully Unlock (the bootloader) the Moto X (now considered the old Moto X).

An unlocked bootloader will mean you will be able to achieve true root and tweak it to your hearts desire.

Currently Jcase and Beaups are in progress of bringing out the tool to unlock the Moto X Bootloader for a price which may change but as it appears, seems to be $25.

The exploit when available will be available at http://theroot.ninja and will be called Sunshine.

As far as we know, the exploit may be arriving within 2 weeks, and is most definitely in the works as teased by the picture tweeted from [MENTION=373605]TheRoot[/MENTION]ninja

The exploit will most likely work with 4.4.2 and below. It is advised that if you wish to unlock your bootloader with this exploit please do not update past 4.4.2.

If you are running a later version or wish to have your bootloader unlocked sooner, you might want to shoot a message to the China middleman. (search through this thread for more details)

Please do not spam this thread with any questions regarding an update or spam the devs as they are trying to get it out to us all as soon as they can.

Also please search through this thread before asking a question to see if it's been answered already.

Thanks.
[Moto X General] smartazz69:
I might just have to trade in my Droid Maxx for a Moto X when the new version of sunshine becomes available so I can use the mobile hotspot for free.
[Moto X General] wrldruler:
Crossing my fingers that the X and MAXX are similar enough that his will apply to the Verizon exlcusive 2013 droid lineup as well!
[Moto X General] jcase:
we haven't stated any absolute concrete version numbers
[Moto X General] Markmaster:
I already updated to 4.4.4, so I have no Christmas in the couple of weeks...
[Moto X General] twinkyz1979:
remember 4.4.4 came out for the droid lineup before it came out for the moto x. so currently i don't think the droid lineup on 4.4.4 is the same as the moto x 4.4.4.
[Moto X General] mushbert:
Judging from these comments from this weekend's AAMA, we could be in luck. :highfive: