yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro Software Upgrading] Asukal:
i think they are buying chips from China, selected one by one.

China Chips in bulk package are a lot of Defected one from Factories,

And also The China Custom is very troubles, some times unfair Tax for us.

this is my experience of my 8years life & Business in china.

i suggest if some body manage this in china,

Guys like this way can buy from china.

And also guys like safety way, and Rich :P, can buy from HK,

Consider the Quality, and the Safety. they can decide themselves

Guys can select the way they like.

i already success from HK.

<soldered 2 years ago as soon as i got Universal, then just have been waiting for this momemt 2years, finaly can use 128MB becoze of Mr,mamaich , thanks for his miracle!:D)
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro Software Upgrading] nyok80:
Hi guys,

Does anyone or anybody selling HTC Universal+memory upgrade 128mb?? If yes how much will it cost? I've just sold mine and bought a kaiser but really miss my universal. Thank you.
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro Software Upgrading] waiyaki:
Lets see :

Using hair as Soy Sauce

Used Lead in children's toys

Took used condoms as recycled rubber for hair bands...

There was another incident about baby milk powder that killed a number of infants...

I prefer to be on the safe side, but $110 is a little steep. But if the quality of the service and hardware is good and reliable, maybe its worth it?

They have also emailed me about setting up differnt pricing for different regions :) So maybe the price will get modified soon? :)
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro Software Upgrading] mctoey:
An opportunity for a more competitive price?

An opportunity for more competitive prices? Anyone else willing to offer the service? Take that the 2xchips cost USD$50-100, I don't get the USD$100-150 service. This only buys 128MB of ram to the old Universal, just to extend its usage life, not a major update. ROMS is still 128MB, an ageing hardware with other dated technologies--USB1,1; Wifi 802,11b; slow SD Card reading/writing speed; mediocure battery life; no GPS; etc, and "no customer support from the HTC!"

It should be far more cost-effective if anyone would offer this service locally, and don't have to ship the phone across the world. As for me, I am UK-based. Anyone?

I am using g4. Think the g4 rom is coming, too. (http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=347551)
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro Software Upgrading] waiyaki:
We must remember that the workmanship ( labour charges ) needs to be paid as well. But well lets wait for their price revision before we see. What about the other guy in china that could provide this as well? Anyone got his website or contacts?

They also reedited the info for the shipping. now its USd$198 for the service and then X for the shipping. To Singapore its USD$20 and USD$30 to USA.

http://octomobile.isl.hk/index.php?...ducts_id=299&zenid=jcg354g8muo3bn98qkgdbginc1

I know that some of you may think that I might as well sell my universal and top-up that extra USD$200 for a new device, but currently I can't find anything to replace it. the only thing good about the new models are that some have higher ROM and RAM. Its a pity that the Athena is not a clamshell.
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro Software Upgrading] Asukal:
thanks for your covering fire for my friends, Waiyaki,

but pls dont say bad things too much about China here. :p

I am afraid the war cozed by nationalism will be started here again,,,,,,,,,,,

This is just one of choice for you,But not all you can do.

If you need more cheaper, you can find the resource by yourself,

Example, you can send PM to the guy who is saying Chinese Prices,

then ask him to help. just example way.

Lets enjoy XDA-Developers com :P
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro Software Upgrading] mctoey:
I am trying to be constructive here. That's what this public forum is for.
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro Software Upgrading] Asukal:
i understood it, your comments was also usefull. they made price separate shipping & RAM Service, :)
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro Software Upgrading] waiyaki:
Its always good to have alternative opinions on stuff, and your contribution is very much appreciated. If there aren't any conflicting view points then this will be a "yes-man" forum.

Now what we need are people who have sent their units to these service providers and come up with a review on how the service was.

:p

But anyway those 2 things aside, I was wondering some stuff since the RAM upgrade is now possible and a commercial service.

A problem I used to face was that I installed most programs on the SD card which was problematic when the unit went into suspension and cuts power to the slot making some of my programs giving a slight delay lag when it power up again.

Don't know if its technically possible, but can rom or a non-suspended type of memory be modded into the system? Something like a flash type of HDD?
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro Software Upgrading] King of Rapture™:
I am still confused!

Now the total cost is $198. Parts are $110 and labor $88.

Pair of chips worth $16 vs $110!

It has nothing to do with China!

KOR! :)
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro Software Upgrading] King of Rapture™:
The previous post is mentioning the total cost!

KOR!
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro Software Upgrading] mctoey:
Thank you very much for your information. I google searched the XL Electronics and it returns a site with Polish domain and written in Polish language. Is this the company you referred to?

Regards.
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro Software Upgrading] waiyaki:
sadly for me when I emailed retronix in Singapore they never replied to me :(
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro Software Upgrading] WizP:
Actually the company and contact are as follows. The guy will be only to happy to help and I believe they will be able to put you in contact with someone who can solder the chips as well.

Dom Webb

Xel Electronics

Tel - 01730 711122

E-mail - dom@xel.co.uk

They are UK based and I believe they charge about $20 per chip for small quantities. The 128MB RAM upgrade is great and I believe that as more people begin to get this done there will be much more by way of speed increase.
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro Software Upgrading] renhui:
Sorry if I didn't make it clear, it should be 40 dollars all inclusive. The pair of chips is worth about 20 and the guy basically charges 20 for soldering and postage(domestic express shipping). And AFAIK, the guy has successfully performed hundreds of memory upgrade for PDAs. So any doubt over chip quality etc is unsubstantiated.
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro Software Upgrading] wtpelzer:
Sorry it's XEL Electronics...

I've just received my chips today... So both my Universals will be off to Retronix next week! :D

Just for your info WizP originally put us on to Dominic Webb at XEL Electronics Ltd. I've just spoken to Joe Tumilty at Retronix and he and Dom are getting together sometime this week with an eye to putting a service together here in the UK to upgrade our Universals. :D

Have a nice weekend guys, fingers crossed we may have someone who can supply and solder the BGA chips here in the UK soon - should cut the cost down too! :)

If you do decide to upgrade your RAM just flash the device with either Mamaich or Ivan's ROM's first so that the person/company upgrading the device can see if the upgrade has worked correctly. I suspect if you don't you'll have them tearing their hair out trying to figure out why the extra RAM isn't showing! :p Well if they aren't members of this forum at least anyways...
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro Software Upgrading] m1ke420:
can i get the chip from a dead universal or do i need to buy 2 new ones?
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro Software Upgrading] wtpelzer:
Nope you must buy new chips...

The chips in your dead universal will be 32meg chips and you actually need 64meg chips. :) So just replacing the chips with the one in the dead universal will give you same RAM you have now and be a lot of work for nothing! :D

Mamaich said it somewhere else in this thread if you want confirmation.
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro Software Upgrading] OrionBG:
Correct me if I'm wrong but didn't this thread began as (adding two more chips to the empty places on the MB)????? Now you are talking for replacement of the original chips with two new ones with double capacity! I'm getting confused here! What is wrong with the first method??

BTW I'm with G4 XDA Exec!
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro Software Upgrading] WoodyWoodpecker:
read this :)

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?p=1646507#post1646507

Greetings ...
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro Software Upgrading] nittin_sp:
I can solder them chips but u need to ship it to me
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro Software Upgrading] hakkinenvthh:
Where r u from? How can I trust u???:D 198$, it's too expensive. Hmm, 198$, we can buy a 2hand Uni. Anyone has a cheaper solution???
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro Software Upgrading] Skwyk:
80$ here in Russia, with chips.

But I don't know how will you send it here, we have problems with mail :|
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro Software Upgrading] spyd77:
uBGA soldering in Spain?

Hi.

I'm from Spain, and I have a Qtek 9000 that desperatelly needs 128Mb. Someone in Spain is able to do the procedure?

-----------------------

Hola.

Vivo en España, y tengo una Qtek9000 que necesita desesperadamente 128Mb. ¿Alguien en España es capaz de hacer el procedimiento?
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro Software Upgrading] jas_pik:
In Poland we can do it with 1 month warranty for service and parts throw Polish PDA Club ( price eq 100 USD ) .

www.pdaclub.pl

So also Mamaich ROM with PP increased from 0 to 7 MB,

http://rapidshare.com/files/74114604/Mamaich_2.15.00__128MB_PP7MB.rar

our forum with info and big number of screens you can find under ( only in Polish but screens show more that 1000 words :

pdaclub
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro Software Upgrading] svyatko:
Guys, has anyone tried this company, I am in UK,London and am really interested in doing the upgrade.

Any info would be appreciated...

Regards.
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro Software Upgrading] pigeonking:
what's the usage of page pool

i had upgraded my universal to 128 mb ram. Thanks for everybody here and especially mamaich.

I have another question:

mamaich's rom doesn't use page pool, and some say page pool would not take any effect and might make the universal slower, but some say page pool would increase the speed of universal..

I don't know whose saying is correct???

could somebody tell me?

thanks
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro Software Upgrading] mhk:
how long this upgrade takes? where? what is exact price in PLN? :)
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro Software Upgrading] jas_pik:
First unit it was few days - becuase of X-Ray inspection . Price is equal 100USD = 250 PLN for PDAClub user throw Polish auction site ( allegro) - for safety reason.

Poland / Bydgoszcz - all contact by mail to : wirek_80(on)o2.pl
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro Software Upgrading] mctoey:
G3 or G4?

Is your Universal G3 or G4? Anyone with experience with 128MB Ram G4 yet?
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro Software Upgrading] homa:
WIKI

Dear Everyone!

Would somebody mind cleaning the WIKI section up a bit? The exact memory upgrade steps can be found in the fora, but if a wiki page exists, then please somebody (especially one who already succeeded with the upgrade to 128megs) tell me and the others around, for example:

Which chip to use? Infineon HYB25L512160AC-7.5 ? It's already in the Uni, they are the 32MB modules, so why replace it with that? And how could one use a bricked Uni? It too has the factory memories, so 2x32MB...

At first I thought an additional 2 modules have to be soldered in, but there are no more pads to do so!

So AFAIK the two 32MB module have to be replaced with two 64MB ones, product code unknown, but can be found easily.

Somebody please confirm my statements and edit the wiki to make it correct.

PS: And how to short-connect the 2 pins? Just a solder-bridge? OK, the professionals must know this, I ask the people at my university about BGA-solder;)
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro Software Upgrading] AlCapone:
$89 for chips ? .almost $200 forthe service ? damn that was *greedy*
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro Software Upgrading] lulazz:
Anybody in Italy that can provide and solder the chips?
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro Software Upgrading] dagosjt:
I'm too from italy and interested in upgrading RAM...
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro Software Upgrading] mctoey:
HYB25L512160AC-7.5 is the new 64MB (each) chip, whereas

HYB18L256160bf-7.5 is the old 32MB (each) chip.

The old 2 x 32MB have to be replaced by the new 2 x 64MB chips.
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro Software Upgrading] wtpelzer:
Just sent my 2 Universals off to Retronix!

Man I'm going to miss them, though all in a good cause I think... ;) I'll let you guys know how it turns out, though I don't think there will be any problems, they seem like a really professional bunch! :D Should have them back by mid-week and be all of £90 lighter :) - all in that is; chips, upgrade and postage included.
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro Software Upgrading] mctoey:
Hi Wtpelzer, are your devices G3 or G4? I am using G4 and am going to have it upgraded soon. Don't know yet if it will work fine with the released 128MB RAM roms. Please let everyone here know the result of the upgrade.

Best.
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro Software Upgrading] Varro:
£90 for two Universals, chips and shipping - good price. Yes, please do let us know of the outcome.
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro Software Upgrading] willy792003:
pls let me know if you find 'lobang' in singapore to do this. i want to upgrade as well. thanks mate :)
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro Software Upgrading] jas_pik:
I'm chcecking diagrams for newest chips - used in Kaiser

http://www.cdmatech.com/download_library/pdf/diagram_msm7200_cs.pdf

and chips used in Universal ;

http://www.cdmatech.com/download_library/pdf/diagram_msm6500_cs.pdf

Maybe we have chance to have GPS ?

Upss:

Universal has msm6250 : http://www.cdmatech.com/download_library/pdf/msm6250_chipset.pdf

Plaese to compare .

So we've possibilty to find stright UART1 and UART 2 in/out coonectors

more than Kaiser
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro Software Upgrading] hakkinenvthh:
"it is possible to add MSM chip that would add AGPS to universal, but this would need a special radio version that was never released by HTC". Mamaich told that. But I hope...
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro Software Upgrading] DrBeer:
Anyone know of a place in Sweden that can do the upgrade?
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro Software Upgrading] greatestkelvin:
Upgrades

I live in Hong Kong. One of the shops told me a year ago that they can do the upgrade. U will be able to see the 128mb RAM but the problem is that the Operating system does not recognize it. As such with or without the upgrade makes no difference.
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro Software Upgrading] beast0898:
If you read through the thread, Mamaich has patched the Kernel so that it can utilise the extra memory.

You need a Rom that has the patch, there are a few Roms in the WM6 Forum that now support the extra memory.

Please ensure you read through the thread properly and the Wiki and ensure you purchase the correct Chips and follow the procedures documented, otherwise it will not work.

Cheers,

Beasty
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro Software Upgrading] Park:
Upgrading Ram on Qtek 9000

Is there a location in the United States that also does the ram upgrade for the Qtek 9000 and supply the chips? If there is please give a phone number, email address, city & state location and contact person. Will the ram upgrade work only on the current two cooked roms that support the 128mb of ram? Will this work on Jason's latest cooked rom which I had installed on my device a few weeks ago which is an excellent rom? Please give me the full details.
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro Software Upgrading] wtpelzer:
Both phones are G3...

Just to answer Mctoey's question... :D
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro Software Upgrading] mctoey:
Thank you very much to Wtpelzer. Greatly appreciated! :D

Best.
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro Software Upgrading] z0d1ak:
a complete upgradation manual

hey folks,

can anyone compile the entire method of upgrading with diagrams and complete procedure in a pdf file ?? so it wud b compiled at one place and v can can get the upgrade done in our native countries with its help. the procedure requirement and indetail soldering help like points to solder and to confirm connections test and everything. so plz who has alweady upgraded his universal make a pdf for all of us thanx
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro Software Upgrading] Jmp_3f8h:
Mee too :-)
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro Software Upgrading] Park:
Upgrading Ram on Qtek 9000

Can anyone out there tell me if they have got there Univerisal upgraded by this company? If so how did your device work after the upgrade. My turns out to be a serial v1.00 (G3) http://octomobile.isl.hk/index.php?...ducts_id=299&zenid=23e4cfudurkfevphhqqqgtc5u2 Here is the email the received today by asking this gentleman some questions

dear customer

Thank you for contacting Octomobile.

To check the generation of your device, get into the Bootloader mode. To

enter to the bootloader mode, press and hold light and power buttons

together and push the reset button with stylus. The backlight is turned

off in bootloader mode so bit hard to read the note but if the device is

G3, the bootloader screen has v1.xx note on bottom of the screen. If it’

s G4, shows v2.xx

About ROM, we will put suitable ROM for 128MB and test, which is

released on developers.com

We upgrade your device and we will test the device before shipping back

to you. If the device is G3 but we couldn't upgrade to 128MB, we will

put it back to original condition of 64MB and send back to you with

refund. If you have problem on device caused by the RAM upgrade within 2

weeks after you received the item, we will offer free repair. If the problem

is caused by burning ROM yourself, we cannot offer free repair even

within the 2 weeks period. We only upgrade RAM and set it up and so we

cannot be held responsible for the device already has some fault before

the upgrade process.

We are based in Hong Kong and you will need to ship the device to Hong

Kong for the upgrade.

After we receive the device, normally takes about 2-3 days to upgrade

RAM and a day to setup / test, and send it back to you right after with

FedEx.

If you have more question to ask, please don’t hesitate to contact us.

Thank you

Best regard

Yuki Yonezawa

--

Octomobile <octomobile@mail.isl.hk>

----------------------- Original Message -----------------------

From: Robert

To: octomobile@mail.isl.hk

Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2007 23:50:01 +0800

Subject: Message from Octomobile

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From:

Email:	N/A Deleted For Security Purposes

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To Whom This May Concern,

I have a Qtek 9000 and wanted to know how can you tell if it is a G3 or G4.

I am using Jason's latest Rom on my device. Will the upgrade work with his

Ram updgrade? What type of warranty is warranted for the Ram upgrade? How

long does it take to do? What location are you in? Please give city &

state? If not in the United States please give city & state of country.

Sincerely yours,

Robert
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro Software Upgrading] shoulders:
a newbie question

the chips required for the memory upgrade are the same for the G3 and G4.

HYB25L512160AC-7.5

Has anyone got a G4 working with the extra memory?

thanks
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro Software Upgrading] scholbert:
Hi there,

I never heard about that.

To resume:

In this thread, Maimach mentioned he hacked nk.exe from WM6 OS to handle 128MByte SDRAM on G3 devices.

This is mentioned also on http://octomobile.isl.hk/index.php?...ducts_id=299&zenid=23e4cfudurkfevphhqqqgtc5u2

...make sure you check your device is G3. G4 HTC universal (i.e. O2 Exec) cannot upgrade to 128.

So i think the statement in the e-mail is bit missleading.

Until anyone would hack the kernel of a G4...

Maybe the kernel itself is the same in those devices???

The RAM is obviously the same.

Regards,

scholbert
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro Software Upgrading] shoulders:
Thanks for the reply, just to clear things up. i have an O2 exec G4 uni. i want to buy the chips and have them soldered in, are they these:

HYB25L512160AC-7.5

I know that the 128mb is only verified on G3 devices with the new ROMs at the minute. G4 will happen.
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro Software Upgrading] -Jonny-:
Upgrading in UK

Hi wtpelzer, can you confirm you got chips from XEL and sent Uni to Retronix, and whole lot cost £90. Also, did you need to send just mobo or whole Uni? I would like to get myself a Christmas present too :D
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro Software Upgrading] wtpelzer:
Yup...

Just to update you, I just got off the phone with Retronix and it would seem that they're going to charge me £25 for each BGA chip they remove and resolder :eek:. When you add the RAM chips at around £23 for a single Uni with postage plus other costs comes to a rather large sum per unit. Then you need to add vat and postage to the work Retronix are doing and you're in for a bit of a shock, I'm only going ahead with it because my company are paying the bill (vat registered), so I'm not going to be hit with a high vat bill when I pay them back but still an expensive mistake though :( ! So to add it all up for a single Uni it will cost roughly £82 :eek: ! For me the total bill adds up to around £152...

My advice : find out who mctoey got to solder his BGA's and go with them, I'm sure it couldn't be much more expensive. ;)

[EDIT] Though that said I did send the entire device to them, they arrived on Monday morning, they've taken both apart desoldered the chips and baked the BGA's etc and will be couriering them back to me today...

[EDIT] You may think that £82 isn't all that much, however to go from thinking you're spending £45 per device to that is a rather large leap and leaves an unexpectedly large hole in your wallet!
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro Software Upgrading] Silto:
Hallo,

I have found a big problem with the SDRAM update.

If I have no overlook something, it is luck when the Pro is running

after a RAM update with the HYB25L512160AC-7.5 module!

The reason is, that the HYB25... is a 2,5V device. But the original

HYB18L256160BF-7,5 is a 1,8V device.

I have checked the datasheets of both Chips. The Power supply Vdd and the IO- Power supply Vddq (different powers are possible) are NOT compatible!!!

The HYB25L512160AC-7.5 will be prosecuted outside of the specification, or, if you change the Power supply Vddq to 2,5V, all other devices on the bus will be prosecuted outside of the specification.

Only if the whole system running with 2,5V (like in other PDA's) than the

HYB25... is ok. But this is not possible.

I never would like spend money for this solution!

In addition, I'm looking for a other solution such as the chip

K4M51163PE-BG75 from Samsung.

This chip is available and it is compatible to the HYB18L256160BF-7,5.

But this chip have a other structure -- 8M x 16Bits x 4Banks.

In this case the MDA need a complex change by the SDRAM settings.

(

Chip: HYB18L256160BF-7,5 4M x 16Bits x 4Banks

Chip: HYB25L512160AC-7.5 2 x 4M x 16Bits x 4Banks (dual chip package)

Chip: K4M51163PE-BG75 8M x 16Bits x 4Banks

)

There is no chip on the market with 1,8V, dual chip package and

(2 x) 4M x 16Bits x 4Banks.

The reason is, the dual chip package are only a temporary solution, until the

technology can produce more RAM to the same die size.

In this case the dual die packages will be changed by a single die (it is cheaper).

To solve this problem, I need a information:

The Universal have in addition a chip K5D5657ACM.

In the Datasheet you can read, that this chip support 32MB Flash (8Bit) and 32MB SDRAM (16Bit).

What is the function of this additional SDRAM (graphic?) and how it

is being related? Is it connect to the PXA270? If yes, which SDCS-line use it?

Regards

Silto