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[ONE General] DrunkFuX666:
Hey dude... Great work and thanks for testing the whole wireless thing out. I'm also feeling the major lack of wireless charging in this phone after being on the N5.

Just wanted to quickly ask, can you post the link of the new wireless pad you got which is 1A you mentioned here... I saw one which is 750ma but of course the more powerful the better...

Also, can that pad be used without all the hardwiring... I have a back cover on so will just slip it under there... And dont think will need to charge the device more than once a day so dont really need the USB port access...
[ONE General] inaudible101:
If you are looking for a USB one the best one I have found is

http://www.ebay.com/itm/310947772910?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1497.l2649

It's only rated at 750mA, but the first one I bought I took the red wrapping off and there was a black one under neath that said it was 1amp. I have not tested them with a multimeter though. This one also has one of the best cables I've seen. The other ones are a lot thinner and narrower.

The wireless pad I am currently using does not have a USB cable attached. You could take the one off the one you have and put it on this one however.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/191235987011?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1497.l2649
[ONE General] DrunkFuX666:
How would you connect the s5 charging pad to the one plus without any cables tho...? As far as I know, the one plus doesn't have the terminals to add such a charging pad to...

Edit: I just saw your gallery pics from the last post and saw how you connected it... Don't think I want to go inside and solder... But just in case, your saying you just took the cable off another USB charging pad right?

Also for this phone we need the B-type USB pin...?

Sent from my Nexus 5
[ONE General] N23:
How about soldering or copper conducting tape? ;)
[ONE General] inaudible101:
You said you were fine with using the USB port for the charger and putting it under a cover...

I said if you wanted to use the same pad I am using you would have to attach a USB cord to it since you said you already have a 750mA USB receiver.

After rereading my post I'm not sure where you are having your confusion.

You could try using tape like N23 mentions, but you don't have a lot of room to work so I would find it difficult not shorting the pins if you went this route.
[ONE General] Nomelas:
Very cool, how fast does it charge though?
[ONE General] inaudible101:
Not as fast as a cord, but unless you have to charge quickly it works fine. I haven't tested the actual % per hour though.
[ONE General] DrunkFuX666:
No I haven't bought any charging coil yet, I was just saying I saw the red 750mah one... KT something was the brand... So was wondering If that's the best one available. I also came across one on eBay which has the USB cable with which says 1000mah, but in some pics it says 500mah, in some says 1000... So emailed the seller asking to confirm the situation... But I have no idea how the quality is.

I wish they had reviews on eBay the way they have for amazon for specific products...

Sent from my Nexus 5
[ONE General] inaudible101:
The best one I've used that has a chord is the red one. If it shows 500mA in the pic that's probably what it is in spite of being listed otherwise. The red ones have a thicker better cord too. The only ones that are actually 1amp that I've found don't have a cord.
[ONE General] DrunkFuX666:
I ordered myself the red one off amazon... Here's to hoping its actually 750mah... I was checking my N5 and what speed it charges at wirelessly and it seems to be around 730-760mah...

As for the 1000mah one i was speaking of, the seller has responded and reassured me that it is indeed 1000... It also does have the USB wire... Give it a look and tell me what you think.

http://m.ebay.ca/itm?itemId=380975184137

Sent from my Nexus 5
[ONE General] inaudible101:
I haven't tried that style yet. I would give it a shot and if it isn't the 1 amp one you could always open a dispute through ebay. I had to do that for one that was completely different than advertised and it was pretty simple.
[ONE General] usmave:
hi mate,

would you please check what your received mA are? just did the mod with the palm touchstone and im just getting about 140 mAh but 5,6V.

thanks
[ONE General] DrunkFuX666:
So I had ordered the KR net red one you said was of better quality, but apparently the shipper on Amazon sent me an email saying there is a very big quality problem with the device so all orders are being cancelled. :-/

Went ahead and placed the order for the 1000mah on eBay... Let's hope it turns out OK...

Sent from my Nexus 5
[ONE General] :
So I soldered in a Qi wireless coil & it charges w/o the black sandstone cover but doesn't charge w/ the cover.

After looking around a bit, I noticed the inside of the back cover has terminals & a trace. I angled the inside of the cover to show the trace in the photo. (u can see how it splits the light reflection.) My Qi wall chargers cannot penetrate this loop so my phone won't (wireless) charge.

First, I tried covering the terminals w/ electrical tape to negate the path. I added the sandstone cover, but it wasn't successful. Next, I tried shorting them w/o the cover (like the cover was on) & it charged. I haven't taken off this film yet, but this seems to b the key.. Just wondering if anyone else had to remove this go get internal wireless charging working?
[ONE General] aaron007:
Be careful because in the description it says "wide interface down micro usb".
[ONE General] N23:
That is the NFC antenna, don't short it! It's better to remove if you don't need NFC...
[ONE General] DrunkFuX666:
Yea I noticed that before ordering and got the correct one... Taking forever to reach tho from China... Expected after the 12th Sept...

Sent from my Nexus 5
[ONE General] :
By shorting, I mean I completed the circuit w/ a copper wire that I held in place. It wasn't something I soldered in. How did u guys get internal wireless charging w/ this antenna in the way? This antenna seems to pick up all the wireless power.
[ONE General] :
have u tried adding back NFC by soldering a wire to the pads & running the wire towards the top of the phone? i'm not sure if it will interfere w/ other antennas towards the top but it might b worth a shot... should be easy to do & undo (as long as u have a solder sucker or flat copper ribbon cable.)
[ONE General] huzz:
[MENTION=4412811]eggnog514[/MENTION]

Is a real champ. Was kind enough to share an invite with me.
[ONE General] 4nth0ny:
Any updates on your wireless charging status? I have been following this thread religiously :)

I am really hoping you can get wireless charging working without losing NFC since I use it for Google payments.
[ONE General] :
I'm still debating on whether or not to remove the NFC strip. I'd like to keep it since Apple is supposedly adding payments so I think more stores will use mobile wallet technology in the very near future.

(Get ready for my copout) I figured u were further w/ the phone since u ripped out ur NFC already, so I was hoping u might give it a try first. Also I don't have any thin gauge wire on hand, but that is a simple $2 fix.

I drew a photo of what I was thinking. U can tape ur 28 gauge wire inside the cover then solder it to the pads. U'll prob need to leave a 1" gap minimum between the NFC & Qi, so u may need to relocate ur Qi coil closer to the micro USB port.

If u give it a try, let us know.
[ONE General] 4nth0ny:
Ahh hahaha, you ,must have me confused with someone else but your copout gave me a good laugh :)

I actually haven't started this process yet, I have just been doing research. Your logic is sound about keeping the NFC separate from the coil because the NFC will absorb all of the energy and may cause the phone to overheat. I am just waiting for someone with more balls than me to be the guinea pig so I can get this ball rolling. If I see a Oneplus on Craigslist for a good deal with a cracked screen or something I will purchase it so I can tinker without worry. I update this thread as needed.

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Have you given any thought to trying to relocate the NFC chip a bit higher up on the phone and resoldering it there?

Also this is unrelated but does anyone know how to have a mod remove the 5 minute rule in between posts? I have been a member for many years and I keep seeing this message everytime I try and post.

"To prevent spam to the forums, new users must wait five minutes between posts. All new user accounts will be verified by moderators before this restriction is removed."
[ONE General] :
sorry, i got the discussion mixed up.. yeah, i asked flysmod the same thing earlier today, so i thought it was his reply. i was on my phone so i didnt look closely at the names. my picaso-like finger painting was really for him or the OP to try, actually anyone who already destroyed the NFC capability. my concept MAY be a way to gain NFC & wireless charging.
[ONE General] 4nth0ny:
Yea I figured that, anyways lets hope OP delivers.

PS we may have the same birthday if your 514 is for May 14, cheers.
[ONE General] :
5/14/84
[ONE General] flymods:
I removed the wireless charging receiver because it was getting too hot with my Qi station. Also I didn't destroy my NFC connection, it's just double stick taped onto the back on the cover and easy to remove and save if you do it carefully. I don't want to keep taking the back off my phone until I have a replacement so I can't try your suggestion right yet. Once I have another back cover I will give it a shot for you.
[ONE General] :
Thx.. I'll prob give it a go now that I know the NFC is relatively easy to remove. I want wireless charging but I didn't want to remove functionality/features. It will have to wait until tomorrow tho.
[ONE General] inaudible101:
What do you want me to deliver on? I have tested the NFC and it appears to not be working. I have a second One Plus One now and will probably attempt to mod it eventually too. You can not place the receiving coil anywhere behind the black NFC antenna or it does not work reliably. There is a rubbery brittle substance on the back of the NFC antenna that I believe is an insulator and blocks the coil. I think the receiving coil is having the same effect on the NFC. I am going to take my back off here in a bit and put the coil under the NFC antenna again and see if it works or if I damaged it when I removed it originally.
[ONE General] inaudible101:
Ok guys. I have some good news and bad news.

The good news is that I did indeed damage my NFC antenna on my first phone and it will not work even without the wireless charger in between it and the back of the case. I was able to peel up (much more gently) the NFC Antenna on my second phone and then place the receiving coil between it and the back of the case like I did before and the NFC does still work.

The bad news is it is considerably less sensitive though. I was able to transfer contacts and light content without problem, but pictures would fail. The reduced sensitivity does require a bit more fiddling to get the devices to detect each other though. So now I have working NFC and my wireless charging is the same as before and is my sole method for charging.

I'm not too worried about screwing up the NFC on the first back I modified since I was planning on replacing it once the replacements are available.

Here are a few pictures of how I have it set up currently, but it looks pretty much the same as before.

http://imgur.com/a/vfUZ4
[ONE General] 4nth0ny:
So if I do this mod will I have to peel off the NFC chip or can I simply place the wireless charge receiver directly between the battery and the NFC chip?

Also did you need to use any adhesive for the wireless charger receiver?
[ONE General] inaudible101:
You need to read the posts. It has been said that it does not work reliably without putting it behind the NFC.
[ONE General] 4nth0ny:
I read the post you posted here and on the opo forum, I just wanted some clarification on what exactly "behind the NFC chip" meant. I understand now and thank you for your help.
[ONE General] C0mpass:
I'm really surprised in the first place OP didn't just include this, being the flagship killer, most flagship devices have wireless charging capabilities, it's just rather odd to me.
[ONE General] 4nth0ny:
Probably to keep the price as low as it is, any comparable phone runs around $600+
[ONE General] inaudible101:
What flagship devices do you speak of? The only phone models that are even remotely known that have this built in are the nexus line and the higher end nokias.
[ONE General] DrunkFuX666:
Alright so I finally got the wireless receiver from eBay I had mentioned... Surprisingly, despite the seller reassuring Me the receiver was 1000mA, I turns out to only be 800mA, and not sure if that's accurate.

Secondly, the USB plug is not the Flat kind where the cable leaves either the "wide end" or "short end", it leaves smack in the center. It'd a bit amazing how even despite direct correspondence these sellers send a product completely different than what they advertise.

Now as far as working is concerned... It IS working... But over the past 4 hours of charge, it only charged about 50% from about 30% to 80% then seems to have plateaued out... Will need to test some more to see what the deal is...

Sent from my Nexus 5
[ONE General] reneftw:
Hello.

Can you please install Elixir2 from the Play Store, then tell me how much "Mah" says under the tab "Informations" while the phone is charging wirelessly?

L.E. You could ask a refund due to the fact the product is not at all like the one in the pictures from Ebay.
[ONE General] inaudible101:
He should for sure open a dispute from the seller. Tell them to send the correct item or issue a refund. It's very easy to get your money back if they refuse. I had to do this with a seller in the past and he just issued a refund since he could not provide the advertised product.

I and another person on here have been using battery monitor widget to measure the mA's. For some reason the phone peaks at a little below 600 mA's. I have tested my receiver and verified it can put out up to 1.2 Amps by hooking the receiver coil up to my multimeter so I believe there is a limitation the phone is settings on the maximum charge it will take. My phone says it's peak charge is 580mA's, but that is taking into account the mA's that are being discharge by the phone being powered on too, so I'm betting there's a .6 Amp limiter the phone is setting.
[ONE General] :
OPO Internal Layouts

I decided to model the inside of the sandstone case to see how I would layout my NFC & Qi, before modifying the internals any further..

First quick info on the models & assumptions.. 1) I measured everything using my calipers so its accurate enuff for our sake. 2) i didnt care to add contours/rounds to make it look pretty - u get the point.. 3) for the NFC (black pad w/ blue trace), i measured the OUTSIDE of the trace (important for scale & implementation). 4) Qi (gray pad w/ red trace)

Photos:

The OPO-current is the current design + my Qi coil.

The OPO-modification is how i would like to modify my phone's internals. (i didnt modify the black EMI padding in the model, but will at implementation.)

The OPO-nfc-comparison is simply comparing the original location to my intended location.

The OPO-layout-comparison is all the views on 1 layout.. a quick reference.

Implementation:

As u can see from the second photo, the EMI absorption padding extends off the phone & also covers the camera. I will trim the pad when i go to re-position it. I am also considering cutting the small L-shape of the NFC pads to leave them in place. They interface w/ the phone body via spring loaded contacts so

they have to remain in the original location.

I would like to solder a wire (similar to flysmod) to connect the NFC to the pads again.

Well, I just wanted to post some layout concepts & get some feedback before I begin, this weekend. Feel free to comment. The more input/discussion the better!!

If this goes as smoothly as my other projects, I will b on Plan B, C, or D in a matter of minutes.. (There never is a Plan B, but I usually end up there.)
[ONE General] inaudible101:
Is the internals of the NFC antenna really that small? I'm going to have to cut open my busted antenna and take a look this weekend. I wouldn't like my receiving coil that high on my phone, but putting the NFC up there would be fine if you solder wires so the connection is in the right place like you mentioned. I assumed the NFC antenna needed to be that large, but if it's mostly empty that is a great Idea.
[ONE General] :
Qi unit

from what i can see, the NFC doesn't extend anywhere near the bottom of the black pad, but i havent taken it off yet.. I'm basing my guess from the photo i took awhile back, which i attached again. i guess it shrouds the NFC signal from the battery or other internal components..
[ONE General] inaudible101:
Nice, I know one of my NFC antennas is damaged so I'll tear it apart and post pics of what's inside. I might be able to fix what ever I broke while I'm in there too.
[ONE General] :
U should b able to get it working again.. Hopefully it's as simple as completing the circuit. It might not transfer very fast due to wire gauge diffetences, but NFC isn't a great way to transfer files anyway.. I just want to keep NFC for mobile payments.
[ONE General] DrunkFuX666:
I have already emailed them about the issue... They said they will give a partial refund... Not sure yet if I want to take up on that offer. Not really been able to test the amperage yet.

My N5 I had checked and it charges at about 750ma on wireless... Will check what this receiver can do later. But as for now, as you mentioned it maxes out at 600ma, why would it do that when its normal charger is a 2A charger... How would the phone know where the power input is coming from, a charger or a wireless receiver to max out on? Essentially its the same circuit right... So it comes down to the capability of the wireless charger and the wireless receiver...?

At least that's what I would think... I may be wrong.

Sent from my Nexus 5
[ONE General] inaudible101:
Even with the wired charger, my charging rate never goes above 1 amp according to this program. It could also be reporting inaccurately. The pin layout on the inside of the phone is a bit odd for the usb port. There are seven pins total and the two on the left and two on the right are shorted together. I don't know if there's a possibility that the phone somehow uses these extra pins to recognize high amp chargers. I have them bridged with my coil so I actually have my coil soldered to 4 of the 7 pins instead of just two.
[ONE General] :
I marked, in white, the electrical circuits I see for both the Qi & NFC.. I marked the bottom of the NFC so I didn't destroy the antenna. (U have look closely at the NFC reflection since I had to lower the photo quality to the lowest setting. XDA needs to allow higher quality photos.)

Here is the location of my NFC tag compared to the Qi coil when i bias the Qi towards the bottom of the phone. If I was to remove just below the white line, about 2/3 of the Qi coil could see the Qi charger (direct perpendicular lines). If I reposition the NFC (like 3d model), I will get 100% line of sight. Again this is all assuming I'm selecting the right line for what I think is the NFC (based on light reflections).
[ONE General] inaudible101:
Yeah you are right. The NFC antenna is mostly empty space. I think your best bet is relocating it closer to the camera and running wires to where the pads are normally. I added two pictures to my last gallery showing the NFC antenna torn down with none of the extra stuff outside of the coil and the connection pads.

http://imgur.com/a/vfUZ4

It's the last two photos. I'm not sure how necessary the shielding is, but you may be able to tear it down to this level then put the inductive charging coil on the inside next to the batter. I can't imagine it would still interfere like this.
[ONE General] DrunkFuX666:
I checked the mA values using Battery Monitor Widget as I felt that has better time interval Monitoring in my opinion. I tested both my Nexus 5 and Oppo on the SAME wireless charger for comparison sake. Its a Incipio Ghost 100 which has a 1A output. Also have a Nokia DT-900 but was in the other room :P

Anyway... I'm sure you can tell the difference in which shot is the N5 and which the One+, but you can see the charge values are quite different.

1+ One : Almost 500mA

Nexus5: Above 750mA

Iv had previous readings with the N5 to go upto 1100mA, not sure if those were with the Nokia charger or not. Will try that again to confirm with both devices. But for now I think its safe to assume the wireless receiver is not even 800mA but probably less.

Sent from my Nexus 5
[ONE General] reneftw:
My wireless receiver is rated at 500 mA. I attached the results I got. I think I kinda need to change it, the problem is that my phone is xiaomi mi3 and the charging plug is on the lower left corner. I can't find a 1A receiver with a cable that it is not in the center, but on one of the sides so I don't need to bend it.

My values are all over the place, maybe it has something to do with the charger? It's a cheap one from eBay.

I don't know how to get positive mA reading though.

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My receiver is like the one in the photo and I didn't see one with the cable like this rated at 1A.
[ONE General] :
I tried getting Qi working w/o moving the NFC, but it isn't possible. I cut a pocket in the black pad but it didn't work. It's not a big deal since I need to trim the black pad anyway if it needed to b positioned. This attempt was simply trying to save a step. Here is what I tried that failed.

I also considered a hole in the center of the NFC but the Qi coil is the same size as the NFC so I didn't see the point in trying.

edit: i removed the 2 strips in the photo & it still didnt work. I only left them in cuz I know the 3g antenna runs up & down the phone & i wasnt sure if the pad shielded that from the NFC.
[ONE General] DrunkFuX666:
You need to go into settings... Go to monitoring or battery monitoring and change it to every 5 seconds rather than the default or 10 mins its normally on... Then clear all the recent apps and put the phone on charge and leave it there for 10-15 mins u touched... Then turn the screen on and check the stats...

Sent from my Nexus 5

---------- Post added at 09:48 PM ---------- Previous post was at 09:45 PM ----------

I checked the phone on the Nokia charger as well and once again the Oppo is not charging more than 495mA... But this time since it was on charge longer, it did charge to 100%.

One strange thing I noticed is, you you place the phone direct on the charger and dont more it, it will keep getting a steady higher charge... But if you put on the charger then move it slightly, it will keep getting charge, but at a lower unsteady rate...

Sent from my Nexus 5
[ONE General] ikaroweb:
This is awesome. :good:
[ONE General] :
I f'd up..

I F'd up.. I damaged my NFC to the point it won't b easy to repair, so I will attempt to create my own coil w/ stripped wire & E-tape later..

Lessons Learned:

1) NFC is different shape then anticipated.

2) cut atleast 2" from the top of the NFC if u want to save the antenna. U can see, I cut too short & clipped the coil.

3) the NFC doesn't make a loop. There is a short antenna & long antenna so don't complete the circuit!!

4) extra cat 5/5e/6 Ethernet cables r great for small jobs like this. Don't need to look for special coil although solid wire is preferred over stranded.

Photos:

1) damaged NFC.

2) min length of cut (2”).

3) 2 antennas + ideal repositioned coil w/ jumper. (This photo is similar to my intent all along since it keeps the pads inline w/ the spring loaded contacts on the phone)