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[Galaxy Tab S General] xRevilatioNx:
Hey guys. Is this guy a douche or what? He's enamored with twisting people's words to fit his own incredulous agenda. Glad the cat is out of the bag.. You lose all credibility with us. You're facile minded assumptions have been proven wrong, by several posters I might add, about why Samsung has these issues. EVERY DEVICE has the javascript issue. Snoopy even went as far to explain why but you totally dismissed him. That's when everyone came down on you.

The ASUS is a "speed demon" it scores the highest Benchmarks across the board (against any other device) at 3200. Scrolling up and down their's ZERO issues. There lies MY issue with Samsung. As my videos have proven, their is substantial stutter-lag when scrolling (browsing websites) I'VE NEVER had an issue with JavaScript. The hang time is obviously minimal on my end (your words in a previous post) when you viewed my video. it's hardly even noticeable. The javascript security conspiracy is you're invention Frankenstein. My MAIN focus has always been and will always be about the stutter-lag when browsing. Asus spoiled me in that regard. It's the closest to a PC experience I've ever had.

As far as javascript goes. . When we tested a few days ago, we all were using the verge.com as the litmus test, for javascript. It passed with flying colors. When you and snoopy were doing further testing. You guys were using CNET. So I gave it go. I saw the minimal hang time and recorded for all to see. so where is the hypocrisy? There is none. Because your narcissistic approach invented it!

So you keep on keeping on with your visceral attacks on every poster here who tried to refute your claims. They all took the high road and said they were done with you. Your true colors are on full blast my friend.

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Amen brother!

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We've all come to that conclusion. He's in his own little world and wants the rest of us, to waddle in it with him.

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No matter what you show him snoop he's always going to think it's exclusive to Samsung.

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This should be permanently tattooed on his forehead lol. But he'll still walk the streets and horn his opinion, as if it's scripture..

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My main issue (and it's discussed in the OP of my thread in the troubleshooting forum ) Is the stutter-lag when scrolling (browsing) the actual website. My concern isn't with page load times. Never has been.
[Galaxy Tab S General] dcaplinger76:
This seems like a good time for the old "Let's agree to disagree" line. I happen to agree with Mitchellvii on the notion that there is some sort of extra security running on Java. However, I am not a developer of any type. I do not find it out of the realm of possibility that it is true though. Nonetheless, I am personally happy with the performance of my 10.5 Tab S, now only if Samsung could officially acknowledge my Tab S as a model number so that I may register it for my perks. All of you have a great day no matter what side of the debate you are on.
[Galaxy Tab S General] mitchellvii:
[MENTION=225650]REV[/MENTION],

You are truly a piece of work. You literally contradict yourself from one post to the next. First you try and convince us that the ASUS is far superior when web browsing than the Tab S. Then when I say the javascript is slowing the Tab S more than your ASUS you say no look, the ASUS is just as slow with Javascript on! The fact you are completely blind to this glaring contradiction is actually a bit amusing.

So let me reiterate once again. Everyone knows that Javascript slows down page loads. Established fact. We also know that it slows down page loads on the Tab S more than the ASUS. We know that with Javascript disabled the Tab S page loads every bit as fast as the ASUS. So the question is, what is causing the extra lag with Javascript on the Tab S (as well as other Touchwiz devices). There MUST be as reason. Either bug or feature. As a bug this simple is unlikely I believe it is a feature - security.

This is a perfectly reasonable hypothesis and yet posters like Rev discard it out of hand. Meanwhile their theory is that the Tab S hardware is somehow flawed which on its very surface is preposterous.

Last point. I have never experienced any scrolling lag or stutter with the Tab S 10.5. Perhaps it is because Rev insists on using the stock browser he sees this? Who knows. Never been an issue for me. [MENTION=225650]REV[/MENTION], your problem with the Tab S has never been page load times? Are you kidding?! Do you read your own posts? Geesh dude.

And in conclusion, Rev has lost the argument because he was the first to resort to name-calling (i.e., calling me a "douche"). Everyone who has debated knows that when you are out of logical bullets you start calling names. And right after I thanked everyone for keeping the debate lively but civil too. Bad Rev.
[Galaxy Tab S General] xRevilatioNx:
My position has always been and always be about the stutter-lag when scrolling (browsing) websites. Maybe if u say it enough. It will sink in? You're pushing your position and arguments on me. I don't have the same argument. I don't give two flying ducks about your javascript conspiracy theories.

My main issue (and it's discussed in the OP of my thread in the troubleshooting forum ) Is the stutter-lag when scrolling (browsing) of actual websites. My concern isn't with page load times. Never has been. never will be. You're so he'll bent on proving your "theory" again, you're totally ignoring my main issue with the browsing. Your incouragable

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The Asus is far superior. I didn't have to try convince anyone of anything. The videos and Benchmarks are fact. I even made my own thread about it on the troubleshooting forum.

You're still trying to prove I'm contradictory. What part of my video tests did you not get. The Verge I had no issues with. The next day, Snoopy tested on CNET and had the Javascript issue. So I decided to test it as well. Sure enough, I had it too (on CNET) I even made a video to show I have it. To share with the world. Where within that is it contradictive?

You're throwing **** on the wall and just hoping it sticks.

Lastly, how many times are you going to keep telling us your "theory"? You're becoming redundant now by posting it in every one of your posts. It's as if you think no one is listening to you?

Do you hear the voices....
[Galaxy Tab S General] MarvelousOne35:
That's the exact reason I returned mine. It wasn't the loading time but the laggy scrolling after the webpage has fully rendered. The loading time wasn't the fastest by any means but DAT SCROLLING AFTERWARDS :eek: Couldn't take a chance on hoping Samsung fixes this problem at some point down the line. I must also say that I have not experienced this problem with the Tab Pros having messed around with the 10.1 and owning the 8.4. Load times and scrolling was significantly better on both Samsung devices compared to the Tab S. I still think it has something to do with amoled but hey that's just my opinion.
[Galaxy Tab S General] Orphee:
Did anyone try on Firefox browser ? (yes I like Firefox, because of plugins like ABE)
[Galaxy Tab S General] Armpowered:
Why put all of the blame on javascript (itself) rather than what it's used for?

To have a quick look and see what's happening, I used "Fiddler" to monitor web fetching on my desktop PC (Windows 7, i5, RAMs etc. 18Mb/s broadband) using Chrome 35....

I just tried www.cnet.com/uk, with javascript enabled it takes 6-8 seconds for the loading indicator to stop, with javascript disabled 2s or less.

This was passing through Fiddler which shows approx. 60 items being downloaded with javascript disabled (virtually all from cnet) but over 200 hits, which include all sorts of twitter/facebook/ads/tracking etc. stuff, with js enabled.

Is the slowdown javascript or simply the fact that it's being used to download so much more "stuff"?

Tried the same thing with techradar.com using IE 11 and very similar results 1sec or less compared approx 6s and about 1/4 the amount of hits.
[Galaxy Tab S General] xRevilatioNx:
Sorry to hear. The bad web browsing experience wasnt enough for me to return it. And as you say, ...... " but DAT SCROLLING AFTERWARDS :eek:" ..... definitely has to be fixed. I just love the display to dam much to bring it back. So I'm crossing my fingers.
[Galaxy Tab S General] HughesNet:
It certainly could be true. He just doesn't seem to leave any room for it to maybe not be true. He completely rules out the possibility that it could just be a bug or that TW isn't well coded. There is nothing wrong with loving your new piece of kit, and clearly he does. But he goes over the line into fanboy and apologist territory and that is annoying some. I am trying my best to help him see that so he can adjust to better communicate his points of view but he doesn't seem to want to take the constructive criticism.

When told performance is sub-par in browsing his answer is to disable a feature to speed it up and to invent a "feature" to explain the hit away in a positive light. Never once accepting that maybe it is just a flaw.

When told that some people (most pre update) had lag and stuttering in their use of the tablet rather then accept their experiences he told them they should mod their tablet, use a different browser, use a different launcher, and use a custom ROM when available. As though any of that is acceptable to someone who expects Samsungs brand new flagship model to work well out of the box like their competitors usually do.

We get it Mitchell, you love the hardware. So, what is this odd blind faith you are showing to Samsung with regards to this browser issue? You didn't extend to them that same faith with regard to lag which DID turn out to be software based largely. Why can't you just say that it is at least a possibility that Samsung has an issue, however small, with their browser experience compared to competitors? We all get that you don't personally believe that to be the case, but you can't rule it out.

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REV never contradicted himself. You inferred the incorrect meaning from his statement about disabling java on the ASUS. You seemed to be searching for something to use to attack his position and you thought you found it there. You took away the wrong meaning though.

That said, yes, yours is a perfectly reasonable hypothesis. But one you are trying to push as fact. REV also has made very little effort to blame the hardware for this issue. I believe REV is perfectly willing to blame the Samsung sostware. Your love of the hardware has you blind to all criticism.
[Galaxy Tab S General] mitchellvii:
REV never contradicted himself? I point you to his thread (http://xdaforums.com/galaxy-tab-s/help/web-browsing-experience-samsung-galaxy-t2813695) dedicated to extolling the virtues of his precious ASUS and referring to the browsing experience on the Tab S as "abysmal". Now I direct you to this very thread in which REV argues that having javascript on with his ASUS slows browsing as much as the Tab S, thereby proving that Touchwiz is NOT slowing javascript more than other platforms.

This is a complete and blatant contradiction. If you cannot see that on its face trying to reason with you as a rational person is a waste of time. You simply cannot argue that the performance of the ASUS makes the Tab S abysmal by comparison and then argue that javascript slows the ASUS just as much as the Tab S.

Regardless, I have stated my position and presented my evidence. My hypothesis is sound and makes more sense than just claiming Touchwiz is buggy or that the Tab S hardware can't handle the screen density.

P.S., Again, I have NEVER, NOT ONCE, EVER, NOT A SINGLE TIME experienced scrolling lag using Dolphin Browser (which is supposed to be one of the slower browsers out there). No scrolling lag, no stutter, never.
[Galaxy Tab S General] misteroh:
I'm going to have to say as an actual front end web developer, you're going to have a real bad experience if you disable javascript. Sure we make attempts to make fallbacks for users without JS, but as time goes on we're making the decision to leave JS-less users with crippled functionality much more often.
[Galaxy Tab S General] mitchellvii:
The comments in his thread are downright hilarious. Ok, let me make this clear (again).

I never made the claim that Touchwiz is THE cause for webpages loading slow under javascript. Javascript lags webpage loads on ANY platform. Everyone knows that. Established fact. My argument has been that Touchwiz lags pageloads MORE SLOWLY than other platforms. This is OBVIOUS from the video evidence. So, since javascript pageloads lag MORE SLOWLY under Touchwiz, there must be a reason, a bug or a feature.

Since this behavior has been present for YEARS in Touchwiz I am going with feature. Now why would Samsung implement a feature making webpages load slower? Another question, does Samsung build security into Touchwiz, yes or no? Yes, of course. Is javascript, a potential security risk, yes or no? Yes it is. Is it therefore possible that Touchwiz is implementing a protocol that is filtering javascript for security purposes and therefore lagging it more than other environments? Yes of course it is.

And yet, xRevilatioNx with some knowledge known only to him informs us this scenario is in fact, impossible. On the one hand he claims that his Asus (non Touchwiz) is much faster doing pageloads than the Tab S. Then he claims that, "look, Javascript lags my Asus as much as the a Tab S so Touchwiz is NOT giving additional lag to javascript!" Somehow, he doesn't see the blatant contradiction in his "evidence". His Asus really is magical - it is both faster and not faster at the same time!

Regardless, when your opponent in a debate starts calling names and citing contradictory evidence, the argument is over. I appreciate all of the input no matter how ridiculous at times, but I've won this debate. My theory that Touchwiz adds additional lag to javascript pageloads as a result of a security protocol is utterly plausible. Is it a fact? No, it is a theory as I have stated on countless occasions throughout this thread.

And what's the other option? That an 8 core cpu with 3 gigs of ram can't handle loading or scrolling a website? I mean come on. Now THAT'S crazy.
[Galaxy Tab S General] mitchellvii:
Depends on what you are doing. If you want to just flash quicky through websites reading and looking at pictures (90% of what most users do), you won't miss javascript at all during those times. However, if you wish to interact with the site such as using popup menus, chat rooms or videos, then yes, you'll need javascript.

So, do you go for the speed 90% of the time and turn javascript on when you need it or do you leave it on all the time and put up with the lag for something you only occasionally use? Depends on you I suppose. I leave it off by default and simply turn it on when interfacing with a site like this one which requires it. For me the tradeoff of blazing speed over occasional momentary inconvenience is worth it. YMMV.
[Galaxy Tab S General] misteroh:
That's absolutely not true. Javascript is being seen more and more as an essential tool, not just for ornamentation. I've worked at a large university and now at a huge healthcare company and do you know what they do to support users with JS turned off? Absolutely nothing. They're completely left out in the cold. We use JS from everything to accessing the main navigation bar to inserting client-side rendered templates via moustache/handlebars using template and JSON data grabbed using AJAX. It might work OK for now, but this is a very quickly changing landscape.
[Galaxy Tab S General] Moscow Desire:
Know what I think?

I think if anybody has to come in here again and clean up the arguing and name calling, this thread will be closed.

That's what I think.....

Keep it civil people, please.....

MD
[Galaxy Tab S General] xRevilatioNx:
Thanks for coming Moscow ?
[Galaxy Tab S General] mitchellvii:
Let's be fair. Only one person in here has been calling anyone names.
[Galaxy Tab S General] mitchellvii:
I think you miss my point. Of course javascript is essential to using something as interactive as a major Healthcare site, but for average browsing about the web, just reading articles and looking at pictues, it is not essential. As a matter of fact, before coming to this website I just browsed through all of my favorite websites (about 20) and never needed javascript once.

If you want the full web experience you need javascript, but in many cases you don't need the full web experience and the extra speed is worth it, especially on a Touchwiz tablet where javascript slows things down even more than usual.
[Galaxy Tab S General] mitchellvii:
You know, I almost wish that just once I could experience this "scrolling lag" on a fully loaded website you guys keep talking about. On my 10.5 I have never experienced anything but butter smooth and fast scrolling. I stopped by the store today and tried to get one of the floor models to stutter or lag when scrolling in Chrome - and you know how lousy store wifi is. Again, butter smooth. No lag no stutter and those units haven't even received the latest OTA.

And then you read the online user reviews on retail sites and 99% of users have nothing to say about laggy scrolling - just the opposite actually. It almost makes me believe you may have a defective model. I mean cmon, think about it. An 8 core cpu with 3 gigs ram has scrolling lag?

Even with all the glowing reviews there is still that one odd review now and then where they complain of lag and stutter. Could it be Samsung put out a bad batch? Maybe a lower binned gpu? Who knows, but the problem is not commonplace if reviews are to be believed.
[Galaxy Tab S General] BallistaSlim:
Try the site I posted before: http://www.aftonbladet.se with javascript enabled in Chrome. It stutters like hell.
[Galaxy Tab S General] 220volt:
Test http://www.aftonbladet.se with java on and film when you do it. You will experience extremely scrolling lag even when the page is fully loaded, Also, try to zoom in and out.
[Galaxy Tab S General] mitchellvii:
Huh zero scrolling lag on Dolphin with Javascript on. However Chrome does experience stutter and rendering problems. My guess is that site implements their Javascript in a way Chrome doesn't like. Probably some in line script to make initial render quicker.

P.S., Ah so THAT'S what scrolling stutter looks like. Yeah that sucks. In over a week first time I've ever seen it on this tablet.
[Galaxy Tab S General] xRevilatioNx:
^^ delusional fanboy^^
[Galaxy Tab S General] 220volt:
Did you really test desktop version?
[Galaxy Tab S General] Moscow Desire:
:eek:

(me still keeping an eye out...)
[Galaxy Tab S General] mitchellvii:
Not sure what you mean? I tested it on my Tab S 10.5 in desktop view using both browsers. Dolphin did not lag at all while Chrome behaves quite strangely - not just stuttering but chopping of the bottoms of entire pages. Have never seen that behavior in Chrome on this tablet before so perhaps it is just an issue with how that site delivers it's javascript, up front, inline or asyncronous.
[Galaxy Tab S General] BarryH_GEG:
You guys live in a very different world than I do. In my little world there are tons of things beside my browser that affect my browsing experience. Things like sites that long ago gave up UX so they can cram as many interactive ads that refresh themselves every other second on each page of the site. Sites that cram video down your throat two and three to a page when you're on a mobile device looking to read a text article. Sharing public Wi-Fi connections with a zillion other people where, in most cases, there's a single five-year old router sitting a half-mile away. The Internet's monetization, pervasiveness and user volume have made it a mess. That more than Java script is why web browsing sucks. And in the Vellamo tests for SunSpider and Octane the difference between the overall suite test scores for "bad" and "good" never exceeded single-digit seconds. The crap I deal with in my little world makes that difference irrelevant. It's kind of like owning a M-B AMG or BMW M in Manhattan or SFO. What difference does it make how fast it is when you never get over 30MPH?

Here's some browsing on my i7 desktop with dual graphics cards. In both examples I'm trying to navigates the sites while they're loading. The first is non-responsive for a good five seconds. Not pretty.

[YOUTUBE]MkRA03je86Q[/YOUTUBE]
[Galaxy Tab S General] 220volt:
If you scroll to the bottom of the page you can chose mobilversion eller webbversion, webbversion = full page and mobil = is made for smartphone/tablets
[Galaxy Tab S General] mitchellvii:
BarryH,

I agree, the monetization of the web has become quite annoying. You literally cannot view the simplest YouTube video without being subjected to a 30 second commercial first. But THE most annoying thing is the autoplay video ads that are buried somewhere 2/3rd of the way down a page which you have to frantically search for and turn off to enjoy reading a page. Some of these ads even launch themselves as you are already viewing a video clip on the same website and play over it. Nuts!

That's why I find disabling Javascript so enticing. Websites blaze with it off and all of that automated crapfest doesn't run. I turn on Javascript site by site as I need it but it is off by default.
[Galaxy Tab S General] mike2959:
Yes it lags and it's unacceptable

Guy's I've had this tab s10.5 for 3 months and yes it's a lag fest. I have a Note 3, a S5, now a note 4 and the tab s browsing with any browser is choppy, laggy and border line unacceptable. Just to post something here in the window is brutal. I've tried other browsers, I've rooted and debloated, reload original firmware nothing has fixed it. I don't know why, but I'm telling you all it's bad.
[Galaxy Tab S General] simacca:
This tablet is definitely more suited for movie watching than anything else imo. Hopefully a decent firmware update will come out sometime soon. Have now started using my iPad Air 2 as my main tablet, and using my tab s 8.4 for tv/movies.
[Galaxy Tab S General] barth2:
can I have your tablet?
[Galaxy Tab S General] biogon:
My 10.5 S on stock TW was horrible. I would get jerking and lagging like the equivalent of 3-5 fps while scrolling in a browser or in TouchWiz home app.

Switched to CM11 plus AdBlock and it's a world apart. Smooth and responsive. It's approaching iPad smoothness... not nearly there, but approaching it.
[Galaxy Tab S General] drmodify:
Wow what a debate... relax guys it aint the end of the world.

Anyway to help out some objective of this thread, my chrome with java script disabled runs smoother.. stock seems faster still by 0.1 secs when scrolling. Thanks!
[HTC One S] RobeFortu:
the problem is more or less the same of the one on this video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NTOsxyhN6Ng

it is just on from up to the bottom.

Anyone who had same problem so far? Did you fix it somehow?

I was thinking about to root it to use a cpu control, to run it on higher frequencies, to keep the cpu more warm, might that help?
[HTC One S] RobeFortu:
wondering if this: http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=2034973 could help