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[G3 Accessories] Deusx Machina:
New backs on Ebay.

Hey, just thought I would post that there are some new back covers (seemingly) with Qi charging. Below are the links for a few of them:

This is for the gold version ($29.99): http://www.ebay.com/itm/OEM-LG-G3-D...e_Replacement_Parts_Tools&hash=item233d61f459

And this is for the verizon model (Which is apparently Qi and will be standard on ALL Verizon LG G3s) : http://www.ebay.com/itm/OEM-LG-G3-D...e_Replacement_Parts_Tools&hash=item233c96e48c

I have no basis for this, but maybe people will have more luck with the Verizon model back? I am picking up an LG G3 from AT&T next week and am very much hoping that we (XDA) figure out a way to get QI charging working on the D850 (AT&T) model. I already have 3 Qi chargers and refuse to switch to PMA just because AT&T is a PMA partner now...

Edit: About the Verizon LG G3 model - that's the rumor right now at least.
[G3 Accessories] jerflash:
Well this is good news. once i actually get my phone in hand a can test some stuff out for myself...may have to sell the att version im getting through work for the tmobile version...atleast it has unlockable boot loader and should work no problem with qi
[G3 Accessories] Forest007:
I have AT&T version of the phone and I am waiting on the circle case to come. I already purchased the power mat. I am getting a little frustrated too about AT&T possibly trying to force our hands to make the change to PMA. I may be wasting my time because I might end up switching to Verizon if their version of the phone has Qi charging. I did an online chat session yesterday on the Verizon website and asked the rep "So will it work with a Qi charging mat and the battery cover that comes with the phone?". She replied "absolutely!". FWIW....
[G3 Accessories] Pilz:
I don't think att modified the hardware, is probably software as others have suggested.
[G3 Accessories] asics10:
For ****s and giggles today I busted out the old palm touchstone and pre coil to try on the G3. I used to use them on the galaxy s3. Got everything set up and once again....Nothing.

BUT, when I touched the touchstone up to the top back left portion of the phone, The screen went black and the big center clock appears like when you close the quick circle case.

Like This:
[G3 Accessories] Pilz:
Is that an AT&T model?
[G3 Accessories] bigdbag:
That's promising right? Does anyone know how the clock screen is activated?
[G3 Accessories] InsaneJester17:
I assume magnets in front cover of quickcircle case.
[G3 Accessories] asics10:
Yes, its the AT&T model
[G3 Accessories] dwd3885:
want me to bite the bullet on the gold version? Looks like exchanges only and no refunds...
[G3 Accessories] Pilz:
They will refund your money if you ask, its just a hassle.
[G3 Accessories] theclueless:
I have the D855 original back plate with wireless charging, all the pins are at the same place, snapped it on my AT&T D850, no dice.
[G3 Accessories] Pilz:
Considering all of the people with the D850 are having the same issue it must be a software thing with the Att model. Has anyone tried using a ROM and seeing if it will work?
[G3 Accessories] Deusx Machina:
Honestly it seems like qi isn't currently working on the AT&T model. I hope that I am wrong, but reports are suggesting otherwise. Hopefully it is just a software issue that cant be taken care of via a new ROM or other such mod. If you do end up getting it please post your results here!
[G3 Accessories] dwd3885:
Has anyone actually taken a UK back and placed the back on the ATT G3?
[G3 Accessories] InsaneJester17:
Has anyone with a D851 from T-mobile had any of these backs work yet?
[G3 Accessories] Deusx Machina:
Looking back at this thread, it seems that the back that users Pilz and awtryau89 both purchased the international back covers for their G3s, both of which didn't work with the D850 (AT&T) model. As far as I'm aware, that back cover is the same that is used on UK variants (I believe it is D855). Of course that seller COULD just have a bad batch, but user asics10 couldn't get the G3 to work with a known working coil from a palm device (that he had already modded to get working with an S3), which did not work. Now perhaps the G3 has some specific requirements so generic coils won't work with it's pinout, but it seems like something else is going on.

Again this is all speculation at this point.

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I'm curious about this as well.
[G3 Accessories] flaring afro:
I don't think it's a specific coil for the G3 as Qi is a standard - all (well built, up to spec) Qi chargers should work. But AT&T has a contract with rival of Qi so finding a way to disable Qi on it makes sense.

I ordered the gold back from the same ebay seller before noticing the bad reports. I'll let people know if it works with my Verizon version. I'm going to snap on the gold back before ripping off the inner Qi part to make sure that any problem isn't that I misaligned things. Has anyone tried this back with the Sprint or TMobile version yet?
[G3 Accessories] bigdbag:
Safe to say, AT&T, WHY?! WHY PMA?!

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[G3 Accessories] theclueless:
I tried, does NOT work
[G3 Accessories] dwd3885:
So did you take the could out or simply place the back cover on? Only purchased from the same seller maybe they got a bad batch.
[G3 Accessories] jerflash:
You know what has to happen... Someone with one of these backs needs to go to a T-Mobile store with it or send it to someone with a T-Mobile phone... Let's end this
[G3 Accessories] InsaneJester17:
Send it to me! ?
[G3 Accessories] awtryau89:
I still have my back and could try to get to a T-Mobile store soon. The problem is they may not have a Qi charger. I guess I could take that too. The more I have thought about this and knowing AT&T's past, I think its disabled and a custom rom would fix it. I wonder if we request the feature to be added to G3 Tweakbox, if they would look into it for us. I only have a few days before I need to return this. I just hate to do it then a fix comes.

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I would be happy to meet up with an Atlanta area T-mobile user or I could send it to you for $40. :D
[G3 Accessories] InsaneJester17:
Wish we were local to each other. Alas, Rhode Island here.
[G3 Accessories] fatboypup:
I just bought the att pma quick circle case for my sprint model ill let you know how it/if it works
[G3 Accessories] theclueless:
I have D855, and it works, but I put the same back on D850, it won't charge.
[G3 Accessories] jerflash:
****ing AT&T!
[G3 Accessories] Pilz:
You to the words out of my mouth. Now let's get some customer ROMs. Has anyone tried this with sphinX or the other ROM.

Edit: never mind it's not supported by any of the current ROMs.
[G3 Accessories] ericralph:
So I also chatted with someone from Verizon and they confirmed that the Verizon LG G3 is indeed Qi-capable out of the box. It's actually not a bad consolation prize for defacing the front of it with their logo, *shrugs*
[G3 Accessories] flaring afro:
Qi Capable but it still should need a new back. Like how car radios always used to say bluetooth capable but needed an expensive adapter for it.

Usually it is the Verizon version that actually has hardware features disabled though so I'm surprised it wasn't them this time (comparing to other US models).
[G3 Accessories] S_Dot:
I'm very close to returning this phone because of AT&T's bull****. I guess we are screwed for Wireless charging, I too, was this close to ordering that back off of ebay.

I guess its no dice right now?
[G3 Accessories] Pilz:
The Verizon one doesn't come with a qi back. At least when I looked at it at the Verizon store it didn't have one.
[G3 Accessories] asics10:
If a solution doesn't appear in the next 10days I'm going to return mine too. I'll just pick up the a t-mobile version in a few months, that appears to be working on att. Too bad I already bought a case and a glass screen protector. ****ing ATT
[G3 Accessories] S_Dot:
Does the t-mob version have Qi?
[G3 Accessories] micl9:
Just called AT&T retention - not much they could do for me other than to tell me that I can return the phone. Supposedly its free return shipping and no re-stocking fee.

Case and phone will get boxed up tonight and returned - sux as I really like the phone, Guess its wait for the Nexus 6 or as others have said wait for a TMO variant to show up on Craigslist.

Funny thing was the rep tried to tell me "but we don't manufacture the phone"
[G3 Accessories] asics10:
This is a pretty clear indication that At&t will never sell another phone that qi will work on. So I return it and get my upgrade back, but what am I waiting to upgrade to? Another phone where qi is crippled?

Since I got it for $56 at best buy, think I might just sell it for full price on ebay, then take that money and buy the t-mobile version. I really love the phone, especially the back buttons, but I am set up for qi charging at home, car, and work. Qi is mandatory for me.

Also, I wish someone with ROM and software knowledge would chime in here to let us know what is happening with wireless charging and why Qi is crippled.
[G3 Accessories] fatboypup:
ATT is a major player trying to push the PMA standard ...... think HD-DVD vs Bluray .... VHS vs BETA-MAX ... etc etc
[G3 Accessories] Pilz:
But the real question is did they really mess with the hardware or just software.
[G3 Accessories] fatboypup:
im hoping its just the software! :good: then the devs could fix it to work with either. Thats my hope at least being I bought a PMA case for my sprint version heh:cyclops:
[G3 Accessories] Pilz:
I don't want to go through the hassle of getting another phone again so I hope we can get this fixed. If we can't then that sucks but it will be ok.
[G3 Accessories] awtryau89:
As of right now, I am really on the fence about this phone just because of this and the audio humming issues. I love it but if AT&T has done this, it really irritates me. I would think it has to be in the software. There is no way that those 2 pins in that phone can tell if they are being activated by PMA or Qi. They have to have a line of code that tells the phone if it doesn't have the Circle Case on it to not charge with anything. The thing is, I want to purchased the Slim Guard Case from LG if it ever comes to the US.

I am going to hang on to my phone through this weekend and see what transpires on the bootloader front. If it looks for sure like it will happen, I will trust that we can fix this with a custom rom. If there is no re-stocking fee or return shipping, I will just return it and get all my money back and go to a Nexus 5 and tweak it for the best battery life.
[G3 Accessories] tomdog22:
well that tears it, damn att, i hate you. this is the straw that broke the camels back, today i'm switching to tmob, bye bye orange!
[G3 Accessories] plastik46:
i currently have wireless charging working on a stock back.

i bought the att circle case and stripped the inside sticker off and replaced the current nfc sticker in the stock back.

you can get powermat charging pads for only 16 on amazon.

as a tip there is a metal disc in the middle of the coil this is needed to charge but the reg disc is a bit thick for the stock cover, i found a piece of almost paper thin metal cut it to fit and now there is no added bulk, the back case fits like normal.
[G3 Accessories] Ikyo:
Does the AT&T circle back have any AT&T logos on it? Did you find it at an actual AT&T store? I called and they didn't have any.
[G3 Accessories] plastik46:
yes the same logos as stock i believe..... i didn't pay much attention to that. i ordered the case online.
[G3 Accessories] Ikyo:
I will have to take a look at ordering one online. I was hoping not to switch to Powermat, but it could be a lot worse. I just didn't wan't AT&T logos all over my Sprint device.
[G3 Accessories] fatboypup:
Would you please look again and confirm an ATT logo ?
[G3 Accessories] plastik46:
i can when i get home tonight, i'm currently at work
[G3 Accessories] fatboypup:
Thanks it will determine whether i keep it or not ....
[G3 Accessories] flaring afro:
At least it will soon work at Starbucks, if you go there.
[G3 Accessories] Ikyo:
If it doesn't have a logo on it, then I will be ordering one for sure. That might make me keep the G3.
[G3 Accessories] Pilz:
What kind of metal did you use, copper?
[G3 Accessories] plastik46:
steel or aluminum will work, the piece that was in wasn't copper like the coil. i believe it is for the magnet on the base.
[G3 Accessories] Pilz:
So you could in theory use aluminum foil? I know its not very conductive in comparison however would it work?
[G3 Accessories] ojmbrooklyn:
Same here, I have a Tmo G3 (i.e., D851) and have been trying to locate a Qi back cover or even a Quick Circle case to test Qi. I bought the official LG Quick Circle case offered at Sprint stores and Verizon stores and can confirm that both lack Qi or NFC, they were identical and neither had any prongs as the "cover" attaches over --as opposed to replacing-- the OEM battery cover. Still on the hunt for a back to add Qi to my TMo G3, either Quick CIrcle or replacement back cover, so I bought the white OEM LG cover off eBay (shown above) even though I have the black G3, but it has not yet arrived so I can't provide feedback on whether it functions on the TMo G3. I will post results when it arrives.

While I prefer Qi, I wanted to test the ATT Powermat cover and tried to locate one at a store nearby, but all were out of stock. I have an old Powermat charger here from my HTC Evo days.

By the way, as i posted elsewhere on XDA, you may want to take a look at the LG sell sheet I located online for the Quick Circle case as it contains some footnotes regarding the distinctions between various U.S. carrier versions:

ww.c2wireless.net/pdf/LG_G3_QuickCircle_Case_Sales_Sheet.pdf
[G3 Accessories] plastik46:
possibly haven't tried that, i would look into finding something at the hardware store to use. i feel it wouldn't make that good of a connection.
[G3 Accessories] Pilz:
I wasn't being serious but could you post pictures of what you did?
[G3 Accessories] InsaneJester17:
Oh interesting. So even though that PDF says verizon and sprint's quickcircle has QI, they don't, correct? Tmobile doesn't carry it yet that I know of.
[G3 Accessories] flaring afro:
I think that may have a coating on it, and it wouldn't be completely flat which could be a problem. You could likely find something for cheap at Lowes or home depot.
[G3 Accessories] ojmbrooklyn:
Correct. The only logical conclusion I can draw on that front is that Verizon and Sprint (and eventually TMo) will have more than one version of the Quick Circle case for sale. The LG OEM versions I bought in both the Sprint and Verizon stores were identical to my eye and were identically-priced ($49) and packaged in identical boxes with no carrier markings, only LG. Neither have any prongs as they snapped over the existing battery cover. In short, LG is making a few different versions of the Quick Circle cover for the U.S. versions of the G3, likely: (1) replacement back with Qi, (2) replacement back with Powermat and (3) snap over cover with no charge or NFC prongs. Only time will tell!
[G3 Accessories] plastik46:
i can when i get home, if you are planning on doing this. i would use a heat gun or hair dryer to peel the coils off the back otherwise they are very hard to remove without breaking the coil. also i used a small plastic pry tool to left it up.
[G3 Accessories] Pilz:
Yeah that's what I did to put my NFC coil in my non Att branded back cover.
[G3 Accessories] kindle2nook:
Just got mine from the ATT online store (SKU 4313C). I can confirm that there is no ATT branding on the case.

The case, however, does not work with any of my Qi charging pads :(. My phone is an ATT LG G3.

Edit: Guessing I should have read the product description more, explicitly says its PMA on the back of the box! I might have to go get some PMA pads now, unless anyone has ideas?
[G3 Accessories] uabtodd:
The AT&T version is Powermat, not Qi. You will have to buy a new charging pad.
[G3 Accessories] fatboypup:
YES!!!!!!!!! thank you :highfive: mine shipped today ... now to get it slap on my sprint model and find a PMA pad somewhere
[G3 Accessories] Lorimere:
Just confirming others findings. Got my AT&T quick circle. Finally found A power at pad to test and it works great. The qi back I got doesn't.

I don't mind buying powermat pad, just hate their are no powermat car cradles.

But not too bummed as I love my mountek snap 2 anyway. Can always plug in for long trips.
[G3 Accessories] fatboypup:
are you using on an att handset?
[G3 Accessories] Lorimere:
Yes, this on an AT&T version.

I thought about returning the Qi back. But decided to keep it. I like the choice of rocking a white or black phone. lol
[G3 Accessories] uabtodd:
Which Qi charging back did you buy? was it one of the ones for the Korean model that has a different pin spacing, or was it one for the US/EU variants that has the same pin spacing as on your quick circle powermat case? Just curious if it is a Qi being disabled on the AT&T version issue, or an issue of different pin spacing on the particular back you ordered.
[G3 Accessories] Forest007:
Does the circle case add a lot of bulk to the phone on the back or is it pretty thin?
[G3 Accessories] Lorimere:
This is the US version. So pins match. Just doesn't work on AT&T model.

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It replaces the back plate. Thickness to me is the same. Texture is different, but feels good. I like it.
[G3 Accessories] uabtodd:
Don't have the AT&T case, but do have the Sprint version that doesn't replace the original back cover, but snaps over the back of the phone, and it adds very very little bulk, so I would imagine the only difference you will see on the AT&T version that actually replaces the original battery cover would be the thickness of the front flap.
[G3 Accessories] awtryau89:
I think I am going to keep my Qi charging back close to the full 14 days. I have it packed up ready to go back but I am thinking the eBay company is going to take forever to refund me and then as soon as they do, we will have a fix for this in a custom rom. I just cannot see how this is not disabled somehow by AT&T. In the mean time, I plan on trying to go by a T-Mobile shop and testing. It may take a few days and if someone figures this out before then, it will save me some time.

My plan is to purchase the Slim Guard Case when it finally becomes available for US versions.
[G3 Accessories] Forest007:
It's a shame that the reps in the stores don't know more about the phones that they sell. I went to the T-mobile store today and they didn't know if the phone had wireless charging and they didn't even know what Qi charging was. I also went to Best Buy and Verizon to ask about the Verizon version. None of them could tell me if wireless charging was built in and the guy at Best Buy said "you know more than I do about it".....smh
[G3 Accessories] uabtodd:
best thing you can do is just ask them to let you see one of the phones, pop open the battery cover, and see if the cover has 4 pins on it, or just 2. The back of the phone itself has 4 pins, if the cover has 2, it is NFC only, if it has 4, it is NFC + Qi. AT&T definitely does not have wireless charging out of the box, and is only accessible via the circle case they sell, which is Powermat instead of Qi. Not sure about the other carriers.

Sadly, you are right, none of them know anything about any phones, other than iPhones, seems like they all use those.
[G3 Accessories] Forest007:
I had my Samsung wireless Qi charger with me and was planning to ask them if them would test it to see if it would work but none of them had a phones yet....at least that's what they said.
[G3 Accessories] plastik46:
as promised:

1. looks like there is no att branding on the case after all.

2. i modified the coil and used the original metal disc because of a stronger magnetic grasp to the base. I basically removed all layers including the thicker lead sheet layer to compensate for the thickness of the disc.

3. applied a layer of thin vinyl to cover the coil and disc, Like the factory version.

this mod does not add any bulging, and the stock back case sits flush like it came out of the box.

hope this helps some people out.:victory:
[G3 Accessories] S_Dot:
Is this a QI mod? Does it work with Qi Chargers?
[G3 Accessories] Ikyo:
Can you provide a link to where you got it? I know a lot of people including myself are wanting one.
[G3 Accessories] plastik46:
no just powermat chargers
[G3 Accessories] Lorimere:
Not sure which your asking about.

But I ordered the AT&T PMA quick circle on the AT&T website when I bought the phone, so got it 50% off.

If your asking about the Qi backplate (Verizon branded) that doesn't work on AT&T phones. I got it on eBay.

http://m.ebay.com/itm/151340377228?txnId=1111856115005

Looks like he went insane. Was only $40 when I bought it.
[G3 Accessories] S_Dot:
You don't happen to have a meter do you? I'm sure you can measure the potential on the golden coil to see if the backplate is actually seeing a potential difference.. ie, induction from the charger. Should be DC volts.
[G3 Accessories] Ikyo:
Yes he did. I don't get why he thinks he will sell them.
[G3 Accessories] eelton:
I think the reason the Qi charger doesn't work on the AT&T phones is that Qi puts out 5V and Powermat is 18V. The question is, can the phone be changed through software to accept the lower voltage, or is it different hardware from the international model.
[G3 Accessories] jerflash:
Now this is an interesting development. This would probably mean it's a hardware thing... No way to mess with it. Who cares I will probably only keep the phone till the nexus 6 drops lol
[G3 Accessories] awtryau89:
Not necessarily. They can code it in the rom to activate at lower voltage.
[G3 Accessories] jerflash:
Well here is hoping you are right. I still want that slim guard case... That's just a really nice case. Even with out qi
[G3 Accessories] Fastnova007:
Or something the could code in an xposed module...
[G3 Accessories] joeliotta:
So that white one should work for wireless charging on a white phone without performing any surgery on any US version, right? Does it add any bulk?
[G3 Accessories] asics10:
I was on another forum and someone had mentioned how AT&T disabled qi wireless charging on the Nokia 1520 at the hardware level. There is a hack to get qi working on that Nokia, but it involves basically changing out hardware. So I'm assuming this is the exact same thing that ATT did with the G3. Taking mine back today, will get the t-mobile model.

The link if anyone is intersted:

http://forums.wpcentral.com/nokia-lumia-1520/254121-2.htm#post2276451
[G3 Accessories] Ikyo:
If anyone has the Qi charging back and an AT&T device, let me know. I would be interested in purchasing it for my Sprint phone.
[G3 Accessories] Pilz:
That's Nokia who would probably get manipulated easier than LG since LG has a much larger market share. I don't think it's a hardware thing just use, but we will see in time.
[G3 Accessories] fatboypup:
i wonder if theres any chance the att pma back on my sprint handset will fry something ..... it should either work or not right????? :eek:
[G3 Accessories] jerflash:
18 volts to 5 volts...better have an extinguisher handy lol
[G3 Accessories] sanumaj:
I m in touch with both ATT and LG on this. Opened a case and will return the device if it is not resolved. ATT feedback was that it is likely LG's insistence to favor powermat. Lets see where this gets to. Expecting a call back from both LG and ATT today.
[G3 Accessories] jerflash:
let us know i am very interested
[G3 Accessories] Pilz:
Lg supports qi not power mat so Att is dumb.
[G3 Accessories] manther:
I don't have any wireless charging pads/docks yet, so I don't mind using PMA, but... I don't like the quick circle flip case. Is there another way for me to get a PMA capable case or back cover replacement for the AT&T variant?