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[Moto 360] knoxploration:
The people criticizing Verge clearly know little about non disclosure agreements. It is quite possible they had the watch days or weeks ahead of launch.
[Moto 360] Jonny:
Actually I do know about NDA's.

I'm just saying that they will have been more focused on actually using the device to test its features than using it in your typical consumer way. No consumer (unless they are a complete attention whore) is going to check the damn thing every 5 mins or do the gesture to turn the screen on 20 times a minute to check its success rate. Whereas reviewers will do this sort of thing as it forms the basis of reliability testing.

Which do you think will cause the most battery drain, the way a reviewer uses it, or the way the consumer will use it. Some reviews I've read have been where the guy has checked the watch every 5 mins or so (in this case they said it lasted 8 hours). That's clearly not what the consumer is going to do once the initial couple of days of actually having received the device are over.
[Moto 360] menendez1293:
What time zone are you? Also how much have you been using it?

Sent from my HTC One_M8
[Moto 360] knoxploration:
I wasn't referring to you, but to some of the later comments. Specifically, those referring to a "single source".

Any reviewer worth their salt will also test a product like this using it in the same way a real consumer would. Battery life is a key feature of this device, and you can't truthfully review it without judging battery life in real-world use. If Verge says it lasts 12 hours, I'd expect 12 hours in real-world use -- and that gels nicely with Motorola's claim of "all day" use with charging required at night.
[Moto 360] EVOme:
Eastern. How much is tough to answer. I haven't been messing with settings, etc. I've gotten a bunch of texts, emails and calls. It's still at 63% right now. There aren't many settings to mess with on the watch. Most tweaking is done in the apps that push to the watch.
[Moto 360] ChrisNee1988:
Doesn't it still need gps data?
[Moto 360] contentryder:
Have the M360 for about 2 weeks now. I get about a full day plus 8hrs before completely dead. I get notifications from 2 gmail accounts, surveillance camera notifications with motion detection, a lot of text messages, and few navigation routes. The M360 has better battery life than my old Galaxy Gear.
[Moto 360] mitsueks:
I have went from 5% an hour to 3% an hour after the update.
[Moto 360] lanwarrior:
I think if you just use the watch as it is, with no additional application or watchface AT ALL, you'll get a good battery.

I don't have custom watch or Facer, but I DO have application installed in my phone that have Android Wear app, such as Evernote and Sleepwear. I cannot uninstall the Android Wear app separately, like Sleepwear, which by default install the Android Wear app when I install the app in my phone. Moreover, it doesn't make sense for me to uninstall app that I USE just for the sake of the watch battery.

Side note: my Note 3 battery has gone down hill since I start using the watch...
[Moto 360] cbowens:
Not sure if this will help, but you can select which apps will send notifications to android wear devices. In the android wear app, go to the options, and the first option is "Mute App notifications." From there, you can select apps that you want to be blacklisted from sending notifications on your watch.
[Moto 360] lanwarrior:
Evernote and Sleepwear have no notification to the watch, but I believe it makes periodic connection request to the phone. I.e. for Evernote, it will check if the note is up-to-date. I had a case where I updated a note in my phone and immediately opened it in my watch and the newest note is not shown.
[Moto 360] cbowens:
Hmmmm, yeah, that makes sense I guess. Hopefully more functional control will be provided in newer android wear updates.
[Moto 360] lanwarrior:
Quick update:

I took off the watch from the charger @ 8:00 AM. At 5:08 PM, I am @ 35%.

Details:

- Watch running latest firmware

- I have the following apps: Wear Mini Launcher, Evernote, Sleep as Android, Calendar and Wallaby

- NO custom face

- Received about 50 notifications (emails, Tapatalk, Dropcam, steps and Google Now)

- I rarely use the watch to reply to email or text. I DO read SOME of the email and text in the watch, but that's like 3-5 seconds activity.

Conclusion: it's below average. I am sure by the time I get home at 7 - 8 PM the watch will be dead. I can try NOT to read emails on the watch, but then, why do I get a smartwatch in the 1st place if I can't do this for the sake of battery life? ;)

PS: Some application seems to reset itself when I reboot the watch. I.e. Wear Mini Launcher was disabled when I reboot the watch. I have to re-enable it from the phone and have it shows up on the watch. Evernote still functional after reboot.
[Moto 360] rx2mazda:
I'm getting very good battery life on my 360. I use Facer exclusively and also have Wear Mini Launcher and a bunch of other apps on the thing. I get all notifications for 2 gmail accounts, Paypal, and many text messages a day. I also respond to some text thru wear messenger. Took it off the charger @9:00 am and right now(11.5 hours later)I'm at 64%.
[Moto 360] abuzar1:
Today was my first full day with the watch, I am on the latest update. Took it off fully charged at 11am and by 630 PM at was at 7%. I don't know if it's defective since I'm seeing all you guys with amazing battery life. I replied to MANY of my texts using voice texting, was playing around with the watch a bit, used it for navigation for about 30 mins as well.

I am USING the minimal watch face however I do have some speedwatch face installed, sleep app, vimofit, runkeeper, and wear mini launcher. I will uninstall the watch face and vimofit as I don't need those and see how my battery lasts tomorrow. Oh and ambient mode is OFF and backlight is set to auto. Meaning I have to lift my wrist for the screen to turn on, it is off most of the time.
[Moto 360] bruceo:
I have the speedwatch and a bunch of other watchfaces installed also but I am pretty sure as long as it is not active it won't drain battery. I am using default classic and my battery life is great I am at 12hrs and 50% I got one of the first watches so I was anxious since it took over a day to get it charged and updated and battery life was not great and now all is awesome.
[Moto 360] abuzar1:
I don't know why mine is so bad :( If it doesn't get any better I will probably return it to best buy within their 2 week period. In fact I will most likely be returning it anyway because it came with a couple tiny nicks in the watch housing. I'm the kind of person that even the smallest scratch bothers the hell out of me. I take very good care of my stuff so I don't expect to see any damage. Having small nicks in the metal is unacceptable to me in a brand new watch.

So if they don't have another immediately in stock I guess I will have to wait till the stock replenishes but I'm probably not keeping this exact one.
[Moto 360] p_razzi:
First day of usage, watch arrived yesterday. Default Minimal face, ambient off, email and text notifications. Off charge at 5am, now 7:35pm and battery at 63%. I'm impressed, wasn't what I was led to believe.
[Moto 360] Nlue:
15 hours with ambient screen on. Still have 14% battery life. Not ideal but much better than before. I'm averaging about 1.2% per hour with ambient off. And this is with constant notifications from work emails (appx 400/day).
[Moto 360] chrissard:
Have Facer's Grand Calibre watchface, not in ambient mode, wear messenger, wear mini launcher, watch finder, and a number of phone apps sending messages to watch, after 15 plus hours I am at 50% most nights.
[Moto 360] Andromjb:
I get amazing battery life using latest update. I do not use ambient on, it's pointless really, for me. I'm usually sitting at 50-60% in 12 hours of heavy use, 6AM-6PM. 300-500+ notifications, Google now usage -- notes, reminders, occasional timers. That's about 3-4% per hour.

Plenty satisfied with my results. I don't know why people think smart watches should last 2-3 days, it's just not going to happen. Not with current tech. Unless you want to walk around with a brick on your wrist...

A couple tricks to getting great battery life is by not using facer or third party watch faces, period. They just aren't optimized well currently and are huge battery drains.

I have also personally disabled (turned off) the step cards and fitness data, as these are things that aren't very accurate and do nothing for me personally. I'm not a statistics nerd but I would assume these would consume battery if turned on, so disabling them could only help.

I do wish Motorola would have released two versions of this watch. One with sensor, one without. I think they would of sold a LOT more units without the sensor and a full display, but I could be wrong...
[Moto 360] lanwarrior:
Err.. how do you disable the step cards and fitness data?
[Moto 360] Wiley_11:
Go to Start>Fit>Swipe left 2x>Set to off,none,off. :D
[Moto 360] v3ngence:
While doing testing, I got a run of 17h on the simple watchface, I thought it was weird and reset the watch, next run with the same face and same apps got about 50 hours.

I think there is a popular app (wear launcher?) that must have a random bug, if it doesn't close right (or something) it uses CPU during screen off and drains the battery...
[Moto 360] Techno79:
I think it's very easy with current tech to get an extra day or two from the Moto 360:

1. Use a more efficient CPU (e.g. a Snapdragon 400).

2. May be there is scope inside the device to install a bigger battery (without making it thicker).

3. Using the strap as extra space for battery. There is already a concept which uses a tiny battery in each strap link. Visually it looks like a normal band but with all the links, it actually doubles battery life.

4. Kinetic energy regeneration like on some non-smart watches. This would take up space so needs to be thought about whether the trade off is worth it but it would effectively allow charge to be added by the natural movement of the arm.

This is all using current tech, I'm sure there's more but I would love to have a watch that could last a whole week on one charge. It's not going to stop me from getting the 360 when it's available here in the UK but hoping v2 would hit this mark.
[Moto 360] ChrisNee1988:
1. I agree. Newer chip would probably have been a bit more efficient.

2. I thought the teardowns showed that they used almost every bit of space in the body so I doubt they could increase the capacity without increasing the size or having newer battery tech.

3. Straps are designed to be interchangeable, especially since most people wear watches for fashion purposes more than function. It would be great to see battery integrated in the straps but not at the expense of irreplaceable straps. Also i'd guess that it would drive the price up significantly.

4. Also I don't think the space kinetic energy would take up with be worth the tradeoff. I don't think it could generate enough energy to power a smartwatch for very long. Keep in mind that most regular watches can last years on a smaller battery than the one in the moto 360.

The only other way of squeezing a bit more juice out of the battery is to use an OLED/AMOLED screen. However that would come with tradeoffs like outdoor visibility and screen burn in. So I'm fine with the choice of LCD.
[Moto 360] Techno79:
Yep, I agree with your points. I suppose I missed off probably the thing that would be best and that is further software battery optimisation. Android Wear and the watch is still very new so I'm sure there's still extra things that can be done.
[Moto 360] Andromjb:
It's a watch that shows notifications and records voice recognition. You don't need a ridiculous CPU. I've yet to experience performance issues that would cause me to be unable to perform tasks with this device. Most of the issues currently on the watch are software based. Now, I'm not saying I don't disagree in regards to a more efficient processor. Again, tech isn't really designed or targeted "specifically" for smart watches yet.

Like I said above, the optimal tech isn't quite here yet for smart watches. Until they design more efficient chips, or perhaps I should say a specific architecture for watches, only then will batteries sustain longer life and even perhaps larger capacities can be integrated with component size decreasing.

This can easily be done, the issue is health risks and hazards involved. There is a lot of liability here should something go wrong. Let's say, a wrist band melting onto someones arm or someone being allergic or having reactions to certain materials. Not to mention how they would go about integrating it to properly work with the device and most importantly, cost.

Ya, that's just not happening any time soon...

Patience is a virtue. This is a first gen product using first gen software. It will only improve.
[Moto 360] Steve-x:
Motorola could have achieved quite a bit more battery life with a custom made battery that was not square. However such a custom battery would likely have been way too expensive to have made in such low quantities. I do really wish they would have used a newer processor so we could have had the screen always on and still last one day.
[Moto 360] Do_Whut_Now:
Ambient mode turns screen completely off at 45+ degree angle

Just checking if anybody else noticed. I know that, given time, the screen does completely turn off even in ambient mode (as mentioned in Gizmodo and other sites). But I noticed that if you turn the watch face at a 45 degree angle or more AWAY from you, the screen completely turns off. Works too when you have your arm completely straight down (like when you're in a standing position).

This should reduce battery usage even more under ambient mode "on". :fingers-crossed: Try it out and get back to me!
[Moto 360] v3ngence:
That's funny I just found the same thing out right before bed, I put the watch face up and it wouldn't shut off! Turning it on it's side quickly turned it off though :good:

But I love how easy it is to turn on the screen in ambient mode, it makes it so much easier to glance for the time.
[Moto 360] hardtheory:
hi all,

im about to buy when it will be available in france. i have juste a question about battery drain, not about the moto 360 but about the smartphone.

as bluetooth will be on all days and maybe wifi, what the consequence about battery drain of the smartphone ?

thx.
[Moto 360] azsde:
Hello fellow French XDA user :D

It uses Bluetooth 4.0, aka BLE (Bluetooth Low Energy), so it wont take that much juice out of your phone battery :fingers-crossed:

I'm waiting to receive mine, i've pre-ordered it on amazon but no date announced in France yet :crying:
[Moto 360] hardtheory:
thx for your answer, it supposed to be available 6 october in france, that's what i have heard.:fingers-crossed:
[Moto 360] euroclie:
I was lucky enough to get hold of a Moto 360 by visiting frequently the local Best Buy during a trip to Chicago, so I can give you my impressions so far with battery life:

With the initial firmware (I mean, before last update) the watch and phone battery life seemed quite low. I mean, the watch would barely work until evening, and the phone battery dropped faster than usual. On the other hand, I was initially running both Pebble and Wear apps on my phone, even though the Pebble had been replaced by the Moto on my wrist, which may contribute to the decrease in battery life.

After the last firmware update, though, I find the watch battery life to be surprisingly good, but the phone's battery life seems to be still somewhat lower than when I was using my Pebble.

During work time, I try to switch off Wifi / GPS to save some juice on the phone, but phone coverage isn't great at my workplace, which certainly explains why I have troubles getting a full day of phone battery... :(

On a side note, I've been affected recently by the "battery won't fully charge" bug that some have reported. My Moto 360 hasn't charged above 83 or 84% for the last two days. The first time it happened, I restarted it and it charged completely afterward, but last time I did that (and even a reset), it stayed stuck at 84% on the charger. So I decided to let the battery discharge completely and recharge it to see if it somehow recalibrates itself and goes to 100%. I picked up my Moto 360 yesterday morning, used it normally since (screen is off most of the time, and turns on only on notifications or when I flick my wrist to read time). I didn't charge it last night, this morning it was around 25% after 24 hours away from the charger. Not too bad...

I suppose the battery will be depleted slightly before noon, but all in all the battery life now seems quite acceptable. This certainly depends on your usage pattern, of course, and on which Wear applications you have installed on your Moto/Phone.
[Moto 360] Techno79:
In response to your original statement, someone has managed to squeeze out of 50+ hours on a Moto 360 with 20% battery left still to go (http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=55806142&postcount=31). This doesn't mean it'll give you that run time if you start enabling things that'll chew through battery but I think it is justification enough that people can think smart watches can run for 2 to 3 days with current tech!

The primary reason for suggesting the Snapdragon 400 was for it's more efficient power requirements. The Moto 360's CPU is 4 years old and is not as power efficient (http://www.zdnet.com/moto-360-smartwatch-powered-by-a-four-year-old-processor-7000033478/). Any performance gains from using a more efficient CPU are just a bonus.

You are naive to think that the only gains that can be made are by changing the chips, architecture and/or the battery. There are many other components in the watch (display and software just to name 2) which can be improved to increase battery life. The last update significantly improved battery life and I'm sure future updates will do so as well (may be not as much but every little helps). Then using OLED display and enabling a dark theme can also significantly improve power usage.

I don't disagree, but this is still using current tech which was my point.

Agreed!
[Moto 360] Andromjb:
Ya, I actually use my smart watch. Not just look at the time. I don't doubt you can get 2-3 days with LIGHT use, lol. Light use is not really the point of having a smart watch, for my personal use. I can squeeze out a day and a half if I really manage my usage.

I agreed, they could of used a more efficient CPU & battery life would of most definitely increased. They could of used an OLED display. "They could of... they could of...." This is why companies build new products EVERY year...... technology improves.....

It will always come down to someone criticizing tech specs and the product never being "good enough" because they didn't include or use "x". ...and this really annoys me.

No need to get rude. I actually did, in fact, mention software could be improved. I will quote myself since you apparently left it out, or didn't actually read half of my OP.

My point was simply, that technology could be further improved for smart watches in general. Minimizing component size, increasing efficiency, which would in return allow for possibly larger battery capacity and thus providing a longer lasting experience.

Look, short and simple. I did my research before buying the product. I'm happy with it. I have no problems with the decisions they made or the decision I made to purchase. Could the product be better? Of course.
[Moto 360] Techno79:
Where did you get light from? The graph is labelled moderate usage.

And your incorrect statement "I don't know why people think smart watches should last 2-3 days, it's just not going to happen. Not with current tech" is what annoyed me and what prompted me to reply in the first place.

Yes you mentioned it under a different point in a different context.
[Moto 360] qualitymove13:
Let me ask you this. During set up the watch was paired to my M8 Running 4.4.3 but while I have bluetooth turned on via the phone, it doesnt actually show as "connected" as when my bluetooth speaker is connected for example. Is this how it is supposed to be? I seem to get notifications as I am supposed to... I think. haha
[Moto 360] darrenmc168:
No issues after update

I got my 360 2 days ago, and after the first full charge, i updated it, installed several apps, numerous watchfaces, and played with for the first day, left it overnight, and dinner time today it still had 47%, so thats a full days use, overnight on bedside table and still almost half left, no complaints from me.
[Moto 360] travis.redux@gmail.com:
Before update: 12 hours with regular use

After update: After 12 hours when I take it off for the night I usually have at least 20% left
[Moto 360] Andromjb:
v3ngence is posting watch face specific information, not general use. His spreadsheets provide no detailed info about display brightness, notification count/detail, app usage, etc.

I've had my M360 for just over two weeks now. I normally go from 6am-12am (roughly 18hrs) with 15-30% battery remaining from heavy use, with stock faces. It has been charged a total of 18 times since I've opened the box.

I am well aware of it's capabilities with my personal usage. I have yet to even come remotely close to 40-50hrs with "moderate" usage. I'm not saying it isn't possible, but it's diffidently going to require running very minimal settings and light use.

That's fine, you're entitled to your opinions. Just know that I never once attacked your opinions, just a statement in general. So I don't understand the hostility.

Also, my original statement wasn't really incorrect, you just felt the need to take it out of context.

Again, my point is using any smart watch currently available with any decent usage will not grant you near 2 days of battery life. Every tech review and even your average Joe does not disagree.

Sure, you can most undoubtedly achieve 2-3 days or possibly even more with barely using your device, putting it on the lowest possible settings with the most minimal interfacing. However, that wasn't my point, at all.

We are beating a dead horse here. I'm going to move on.
[Moto 360] Techno79:
There's no hostility. Just replying to something that I disagreed with which led to a discussion. Isn't that one of the reasons for a forum?
[Moto 360] Andromjb:
Of course, I just assumed you were coming off a bit aggressive. Let us carry on.
[Moto 360] Techno79:
Sorry if it came across aggressive, it wasn't meant in that way. Agreed, let's carry on.
[Moto 360] Akrifay:
Loving this phone... 4th day ive had it ... First day charged it up and did the update ... 2nd Day ran stock just added mini launcher... off charger at 7am back on charger at 10pm had 36% that was my first full day with it so i was playing with it quite a bit .... 3rd Day off Charger at 7am got home form work about 6pm added Facer and tried out about 10 different watch faces back on charger at 10pm with 46% ... 4th day (today) off charger 7am been running all day with the Citizen face for Facer moderate to heavy use (all days) and at 330PM still sitting at 67% ... I have to say reading these forums before i received my watch i was quite worried about the battery life but so far i have been pleasantly surprised and am very happy with my purchase :)
[Moto 360] The_other_ray:
Holy cow! My battery life has been getting better each day since I got it a week ago today. I'm sitting at 14 hours with 49% left! And I get a lot of notifications throughout the day from ingress, hangouts, g+, emails, etc. I leave ambient mode off because it's useless for me to have it on when I'm not looking at the watch. It allows me to conserve battery life so that when I need to read several messages at a time, I'm not concerned about quickly reading them but instead take my time. This watch is phenomenal!

Sent from my Galaxy Note 2
[Moto 360] r.storm85:
Ambient Off - 18 hours 40% left. Comes out to last around 30 hours.

Ambient On - 11 hrs 30% left. Comes out to last 15hrs

This is 3rd and 4th day of use. Latest update after a factory reset. Didn't see very good battery until factory reset.