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[Galaxy Tab S General] HughesNet:
I actually have 3 of those in the house, my 2 sons and my wife. It is a nice device but not one that would cause me to sell my iPad Min Retina and switch. I was hoping the display and build of the Tab S would be that device. I think I may give it a second shot, try to live on the dark side as much as I can. Now that we have root I may be able to fix a couple issues.
[Galaxy Tab S General] urself25:
I replaced my Tab Pro 10.1 for the Tab S 10.5. Speed and battery life on my part is much better on the Tab S than on the Tab Pro. Also, Wifi reception is much more better. My only complaint is with KitKat and not Samsung. They changed the permission setting and because of than, I cannot copy file from the internal memory to my SDCard with RootExplorer or save it directly on the SD Card with Dolphin Broswer.
[Galaxy Tab S General] mitchellvii:
For what its worth I am running Nova Launcher and have never experienced any lag whatsoever. Yeah battery life isn't great but that is never as advertised.

Wait for Freeza or someone to crank out a nice ROM for us and what lag there may be will improve. His ROM made my 8.4 Pro much faster.
[Galaxy Tab S General] HughesNet:
If you use the Samsung My Files you can do that. And now that there is Root for your tablet you can always remove that restriction right now all together.
[Galaxy Tab S General] urself25:
Yes, I discovered that yesterday. But still a pain that I have to use My Files app while Root Explorer could be doing it without any problem. I'm holding off root for the moment. I rooted my Note 2 but I don't have any reasons for the moment to root my Tab S.
[Galaxy Tab S General] narvel:
I have the Tab 8.4 S and have zero issues with lag or battery and I would consider myself a heavy user. Playing games to watching HD movies while surfing the web and the battery does just fine.

Now... I do have Nova installed and did so as soon as I got the device onlined since I customize the hell out of my devices so I never experienced the TouchWiz launcher. I also have Clean Master and Battery Doctor installed. The combination of these three has made this my main device not only for home and hobby but also my work.
[Galaxy Tab S General] mitchellvii:
Touchwiz is actually Korean for "pretty eye candy that makes your tablet go slow". I swear.
[Galaxy Tab S General] 12MaNy:
I sold my Galaxy Tab Pro 8.4 and bought a Galaxy Tab S 8.4 a couple says ago. Battery and performance are much better on Tab S IMO. This thing will be a beast after flashing a mod or two.
[Galaxy Tab S General] mitchellvii:
My only real gripe with this tablet is not how fast the battery drains but how long it takes to charge. This has to be the slowest charging electronic device I've ever owned. Wonder why?
[Galaxy Tab S General] robertc88:
Are you using the stock charger? I never bothered with it from the get go and I am unsure how many volts it is.

I picked up a Rocketfish 10.2v from BB months ago at no cost using my Rewards. Priceless! :)
[Galaxy Tab S General] mitchellvii:
The stock charger is 5v 2amps. Not sure I would want to risk any higher.
[Galaxy Tab S General] Mr Dasher:
Be careful increasing the volts but the more amps the better. Though high end devices have power controllers so it doesn't matter how much over the specs you go the recharge will always be the same.
[Galaxy Tab S General] Poser:
My two cents

I have owned every galaxy from vibrant to S4. I owned an N10 (currently have a 2013 N7 and N5). I owned a Note 2. For what its worth, even with the extra pixels to push, I don't think this is a hardware issue. Touchwiz has always just been a poorly coded behemoth of a skin. With the exception of the Note 2 (which TW seemed to be very smooth on)...it has always had frame stutters and an ass ton of processes eating up cycles. Whenever I flashed a stripped down...or even better an actual AOSP (I love slim) ROM, performance on these devices have been flawless.

Full disclosure... my 10.5 S is charging right now and I have not even fired it up yet. But I will immediately root and debloat the Eff out of this thing. I agree that Sammy's tablet update cycle is ridiculous...and that a snapdragon should have been the cpu by default, but que cera cera.

Once I fire it up...I will report back.
[Galaxy Tab S General] 30Seconds:
So far here are my 8.4 gripes after about 24 hours of ownership:

Battery life - I charged it to 100% prior to use and was a bit shocked that I lost 10% just doing the setup and installing my apps.

Pentile screen - Part of this is my fault as I did not realize the 8.4 is pentile and I thought both the 10.5 and 8.4 were Super Amoled Plus. There is a bit of a softness to the 8.4 screen that seems unusual considering its size and PPI. In some ways I find the Nexus 7 screen a bit better and more realistic. I own a LG G3 and the QHD display on it is fantastic, and I had thought the 8.4 would have a little of that magic but it is not in the same league at all. I wonder what the real PPI is on the 8.4 considering it is pentile, I gather it is less than the Nexus 7. This may be a dealbreaker for me, I am going to use it tonight and do a little side by side with my Nexus 7 and Note 10.1 2014.

That said Netflix looks great on this device, the best I have seen so I wonder if the app does some sort of edge sharpening. When I watch 1080p content streamed to the 8.4 find it is not as sharp as it should be and really no better than the Note 10.1.

Going to give it another couple of days and see if it grows on me.
[Galaxy Tab S General] Poser:
I find you observations quite interesting. I was all set to purchase the 8.4...(I actually pre ordered it from Samsung, but they dropped the ball with backorders...so I cancelled and went to pick it up from local BB), but when I viewed them side by side (8.4 v 10.5)...not only was I not impressed with the crispness of the 8.4, but I felt that the color reproduction was more garish...and almost washed out. I know that a brightly lit BB was not the best place to view...but I adjusted brightness and moved both to basic and was blown away by the 10.5 screen. I ended up walking out with the 32gb 10.5. I am charging it up now, when I boot I will report further.

I have never been one to be sensitive to the pentile arrangement vs normal sRGB striping, but, in this case I DEFINITELY noticed a difference.
[Galaxy Tab S General] dcaplinger76:
Can't wait too hear your thoughts on that.. I'm contemplating on selling my Tab Pro 8.4 and getting the Tab S 10.5
[Galaxy Tab S General] HughesNet:
I picked up a 10.5 32gb from best buy yesterday to try along side my 8.4. I have a case coming in the mail Monday. I haven't had a full size tablet in years having had a note 2 and 3 then iPad mini retina. The 10.5 is soo much harder to hold! I haven't really noticed much screen difference yet but it is doing decent on battery. I think the 8.4 for me will be more comfortable but why settle for pentile if I don't have to.
[Galaxy Tab S General] Poser:
Being able to one hand my N7 FHD is definitely nice...but this thing is easier on the wrists than I expected. The book cover is pretty functional too. Going through first boot!
[Galaxy Tab S General] mitchellvii:
Just installed Go Launcher Ex. This tablet blazes now and looks amazing. How could anyone find this a disappointing experience?

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Basically unless you enjoy browsing the web in portrait there is NO REASON to buy the 10.5. Text is plenty large enough on the 8.4 in landscape. But if like me you like browsing in portrait the 8.4 will be too small.
[Galaxy Tab S General] HughesNet:
The main reason for me is the far better display tech on the 10.5. It performs much better then the 8.4 on anandtech benchmarks and testing.

http://www.anandtech.com/show/8197/samsung-galaxy-tab-s-review-105-84inch/2
[Galaxy Tab S General] enaybee:
woah ... how do you own a LG G3? My guess is that you are either not in US or you have some special hookup at LG ... lol
[Galaxy Tab S General] simacca:
I am planning on picking the 8.4 up today, but am quite hesitant because of the pentile screen. I should really test one out in the shop first.

I noticed you said that you have a note 10.1 2014. I am curious to see how your comparison of these two are because this also has a pentile screen stretched over a bigger area and should be more noticeable than the 8.4?

Think I will try before I buy.
[Galaxy Tab S General] mitchellvii:
Why do you care about benchmarks? I could show you a tablet running 35,000 and one running 32,000 and I doubt you would be able to tell me which is performing better real world.
[Galaxy Tab S General] Mr Dasher:
For those that are in the process of judging the quality of the 8.4 screen (or even the 10.5) might be a good idea to turn off the "adaptive display" feature.

This has been known to do funky things in the name of battery conservation and display color temperature.

If you are looking for a tablet there are lots of options but if you are looking for an 8.4 Android device to rival the iPad mini then the Tab S can't be beat ... until Samsung releases it's next tablet ( which will probably be next week lol)
[Galaxy Tab S General] BarryH_GEG:
This is similar to what we saw on the Galaxy Note 3, and just like before you get two subpixels per unit pixel instead of three in a traditional RGB stripe. Thankfully the pixel density on the Galaxy Tab S 8.4 is high enough that I wasn’t able to discern individual pixels or be bothered by the diamond PenTile layout. I will admit that I’ve never been the most sensitive to PenTile or PenTile-like sub pixel arrangements, so your mileage may vary.

http://www.anandtech.com/show/8197/samsung-galaxy-tab-s-review-105-84inch/2​

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http://www.displaymate.com/OLED_Tablet_ShootOut_1.htm
[Galaxy Tab S General] HughesNet:
Why do you care if I care about benchmarks? And I suppose you missed where I said I have both of the tablets & am using them both to get an in person sense of the difference? What, did I just hit some special button of yours by mentioning benchmarks? One that caused you to completely forget that I mentioned I'm doing an in person objective test of the differences between them for myself.....
[Galaxy Tab S General] simacca:
I bit the bullet and purchased the 8.4 without trying first. After owning and returning the pro 8.4, I must say that I am impressed with this updated model. The screen although pentile just 'pops'. My main concern was the pentile arrangement, but it's nowhere near as bad as I thought. I can see it, but it doesn't annoy me at all, unlike the note 10.1 2014 or even worse the 12 inch versions. The amoled tech completely outweighs the pentile imo. I'm also finding this tablet just as nippy as the pro version when scrolling etc, even though the processor isn't supposed to be as good as the snapdragon. Build quality is fine and I love the gold accents around the white. I'm sure I will find some niggly negative points the more I use it, but for now I shall enjoy, and go and get the free gifts which aren't as good as the ones you get in the U.S.

I almost forgot about toolbox which I use all the time on my s5.
[Galaxy Tab S General] simacca:
Have found 2 disappointments so far.

1st, the tablet gets quite warm/hot around the camera area and in this summer weather and my already sweaty hands is problematic.

2nd, why can't I scroll back to the beginning of my home pages when I get to the end. It just stops and I have to scroll the other way again! Wtf!

I can understand not being able to disable the magazine ux like on the Pro model, but I have never not been able to continuously scroll through my home pages in one direction....
[Galaxy Tab S General] nohbdyshero:
So far I love this thing especially since it was basically free for me with a $500 gift card from Amazon. A little hard to type on with my thumbs but I am getting better at it. Love the screen the battery is enough for me. Love the 10.5 screen.

Just wish they didn't restrict the multi window to only a few apps should be for all.
[Galaxy Tab S General] mitchellvii:
#1 Have not experienced any unusual warmth whatsoever on the back on my 10.5. I suggest you get a high quality case such as the Samsung Book Cover which is on sale at BestBuy for $39.99 (a steal) which will insulate your hands from any warmth.

#2 Get an aftermarket launcher such as Go Launcher Ex (truly outstanding) and you will be able to have endless scrolling of screens in addition to many cool animations and custom widgets.

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Do some research. If you are rooted there are ways to place any app on the multi window bar.
[Galaxy Tab S General] nohbdyshero:
Yes I know haven't rooted yet will get to it
[Galaxy Tab S General] mitchellvii:
Because you have started a thread indicating you are disappointed in the Tab S in part due to some meaningless disparity in arcane benchmarks 99% of users couldn't care less about and which have zero effect on their real world enjoyment. In case a potential buyer was turned away by your benchmarking complaints I sought to provide counterpoint to your argument.

Back when tablets were slow a couple thousand extra points on a benchmark mattered. Now other than to enthusiasts such as yourself they really don't.

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Thanks BarryH, now I have a migraine. ☺
[Galaxy Tab S General] HughesNet:
I did no such thing. My Op had nothing to do with benchmarks at all. I didn't mention them until you decided to question why I might consider the 10.5 over the 8.4. I never mentioned benchmarks as a reason not to get tab S. You on the other hand seem all to eager to question what size I may want and whether I should or should not care what testing reveals. ND now you are making false statements about a position I never took. My issues in the Op were with the cpu chosen and the battery life when not viewing movies.

I also never ever mentioned cpu benchmarks which you are now talking about. I linked to display test results. Nothing in your post is rooted in reality.
[Galaxy Tab S General] mitchellvii:
Why do you think its about you? Its about the readers of this thread getting the wrong impression and being turned off. I honestly couldn't care less whether you keep this tablet or not. I am merely providing balance to your criticism of this remarkable device.
[Galaxy Tab S General] HughesNet:
The testing gave me pause but my way of handling it is to buy one of each and see what real world use reveals rather than take them as gospel. So far I see no issue with the 8.4 display in personal use.
[Galaxy Tab S General] HughesNet:
It isn't about me when you are making your points in my thread by quoting my posts and claiming I took positions I never took through some phantom concern that someone might miss read the thread? That makes no sense. Especially when you are inventing strawman arguments to counter that were never made.

Why do I think it is about me? You specifically said it was.
[Galaxy Tab S General] mitchellvii:
I am sorry if my comments hurt your feelings. OK so benchmarks aren't important then when considering this device? I am glad we agree. The debate has been settled, let's not argue. Best friends?
[Galaxy Tab S General] simacca:
Will check out the book cover if I can get one over here in the UK yet. I actually really like TouchWiz so was hoping I didn't need to change launchers . I don't understand why they would do this on this model as they haven't done it before.
[Galaxy Tab S General] mitchellvii:
Dunno. Try Go Launcher. You will really like it.
[Galaxy Tab S General] simacca:
If I can't get used to the new TouchWiz then I will.
[Galaxy Tab S General] 12MaNy:
Glad we're back on subject....

The only thing about the Tab S that disappoints me a little is the battery life. It's definitely noticeable compared to the Pro. However, it's not a deal breaker for me by any means. Besides, the Tab S has expandable memory up to 128gb & 3gb RAM. Pro doesn't. ....and I dont care what anyone says.....Tab S has a better screen. I have 20/20 vision and I've been comparing them for 4 days now. Lol :p

Now all I need is a stock deodexed ROM so I can start theming and a bada$$ custom kernel so I can see what this chipset can really do. ;)
[Galaxy Tab S General] funb0b:
Had the Pro 8.4 but returned it as the speakers were irritating all being on one side so useless for movies. Very tempted by the S but can't help the allure of the K1 equipped tabs on the horizon. Decisions decisions.
[Galaxy Tab S General] HughesNet:
Funny. Though an intelligent person would easily see through that post. I still find it telling that apparently you have both reverted to emotional and insulting posts and tried to cover it by referring to my own emotional state. While being the only emotional one. It says a lot about you and your ability to communicate and level of maturity that you first invented strawman arguments and then went personal.

To your original and pre-edited statement, yes of course we agree that benchmarks aren't a reason not to buy the Tab S given I never once stated they where. That point was never being debated in the first place.
[Galaxy Tab S General] 12MaNy:
.....I knew the peace and quiet wouldn't last long.:eek:
[Galaxy Tab S General] HughesNet:
Get the Tab S then when a K1 tablet comes out still the Tab S and buy the other. Win win
[Galaxy Tab S General] funb0b:
Had a Pro 8.4, backed it as the speakers were irritating for landscape movies and games, so tempted by an S but the allure of the upcoming K1 tabs is strong.
[Galaxy Tab S General] mitchellvii:
Interesting that I am find battery life is improving now that I've been through a number of charge cycles. Seems to be breaking in.
[Galaxy Tab S General] HughesNet:
I agree. Found the same thing. It also helped to use Next Browser in night mode, Tapatalk in dark theme, ect..
[Galaxy Tab S General] 30Seconds:
I spent a bit of time last night doing some side by side comparisons between the S 8.4 and the N10.1-14 and N7 and have managed to arrive at settings that have improved the S 8.4 display quality during video playback to the point I would consider it to be quite impressive.

What seemed to make the biggest difference was making sure the "Auto adjust screen tone" setting is off. Left on you get a very contrasting image at times in video playback that gives the perception of a loss of resolution. I still find the display to be somewhat unnaturally contrasting and it is difficult to get a good range without setting the brightness quite high. But the fine resolution the display gives seems to make up for it, and you just have to get used to the idea that it is a different sort of presentation than LCD.

I can't get over how good Netflix playback is on this tablet though. I find their HD content to be stunning on the S8.4 and it looks better than the local 1080p files I am playing through MX Player.
[Galaxy Tab S General] 12MaNy:
Nice. For me battery life is good on Tab S.....noticeably worse than my Pro though. Especially when it comes to media functions. I think a few more charge cycles should help though.
[Galaxy Tab S General] mitchellvii:
Conclusion: Benchmarks don't matter unless you are trying to pick up hot nerd chicks at the bar ☺.
[Galaxy Tab S General] vinnynall:
This is my first android tab (had an ipad) and I'm very happy with my tab s 8.4. Had an issue earlier with side sync but realised the latest update was the issue so went back to the previous version. Battery life is good, screen is ridiculously good and not suffering an lag. :D
[Galaxy Tab S General] BarryH_GEG:
Based on what? Preliminary PR? Teg4 was disappointing performance wise (better [marginally] than Exynos 5420, worse than S-800), was a year late, and a failure according to Nvidia's own CEO. He also said they're out of the mainstream chip business because their cost base isn't competitive with Qualcomm so K1's very existence is puzzling.

http://www.cnet.com/news/nvidia-ceo-sees-future-in-cars-and-gaming-q-a/

S-805 is a more solid bet with an evolved big.LITTLE (it's young but its potential is real) second. No third parties really optimized for Teg4 because it sold so poorly. Whose to say K1 won't suffer a similar fate (if it's released). As for 64 bit, it will be fantastic - 18 months from now when the s/w and other architecture catches up. Does anyone here think Apple's 64 bit chip changed anything meaningfully? Especially paired with 1GB of RAM?
[Galaxy Tab S General] funb0b:
Hello Barry,

Many thanks for your forthright objective view.

I have no bias towards Nvidia, Qualcomm or Exynos

If rumour is to be believed the upcoming Nexus 8 will be 64bit K1 equipped so Google/third party optimisation & support will be strong with this one.

http://m.androidcentral.com/50000-units-xiaomis-mipad-sold-just-under-four-minutes

Already Googles Project Tango is K1 equipped. So Google seem to like the K1.

Business strategies do tend to change rapidly. Not so long ago almost all tabs were Tegra based. The link you kindly provided goes to support the K1 adoption when read carefully.

From personal experience (use both daily) my sub £100 Tegra 4 1gb Tegra Note 7 runs rings around my what was a £700 S-800 3gb Note 3.

"It will all come out in the wash" as my old gran would say.
[Galaxy Tab S General] Poser:
Ok...after a full day of use, here are my quick impressions of the "BIG THREE": Screen, Lag and Battery.

Screen (10.5):

After originally ordering the 8.4, I did a side by side at the local BB...and switched to the 10.5. Mostly for productivity and media consumption the added real estate is superb. Coming most recently from the 2013 N7, this was obviously a large step up in terms of visible work space. I don't need to pile on...since everyone already knows, but, the display is stunning. Great color reproduction (all three modes are interesting) and temperature. To me, side by side, I just liked the 10.5 better than the 8.4...but that was personal preference. Watching streamed content from my nas and gaming was equally dreamy. Web surfing was definitely more enjoyable than on my n5 but not so noticeably different from n7. Productivity (spreadsheets, doc fabbing, email ....typing this) was a huge step up, given that I could use the on screen keyboard similarly to regular keyboard. Bottom line...the screen is the defining feature of this tablet and for good reason.

Lag:

Some would say this is a purely subjective measure...and while I disagree, take it with a grain of salt. There is definitely lag on these tablets, but, I would wager this is a direct reflection of Samsung coding and NOT hardware. Almost all of the lag I have experienced has been related to touchwiz, and magazine UX. It just feels clunky in transitions and you can almost see the frame drops. I surmise, that rather than recode or optimize for the increased display densities, they just ported over existing TW builds so they could push these out on the heels of Google I/O while the world is still a flutter with android news. Gaming, media playback via 3rd party players, rdp were all flawless with nary a hint of stutter. Though the hardware is not cutting edge...it is up to the task, and just needs properly optimized code. Sammy bloat is like a third testicle...merely a spectacle, that does no one any good. Coming from nexus and AOSP builds...that only contributed to the feeling of lag. Slim on this would be strict beast mode.

Battery:

Judging anything off of one cycle is foolish at best...but that is what I got and that's what I will share. Charging is slow...but consumption is equally slow. The N7 had retarded battery life...and this can't compare, but, for a 10.5 inch tab...I have gotten a fulls day use and am still above 54%. That to me is very good and functional. I haven't experienced any unusual warmth under any conditions either.

Additional thoughts:

- the Samsung book cover is worth the investment. Functional and has a premium-ish (this is Sammy we are talking about) feel to it.

- Samsungs predictive keyboard is surprisingly adept right out of the box

- rooting is next up...and can hopefully get some of the nonsense hogging cpu cycles moved to the rubbish bin