yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[Nexus 4 Android Development] adstraylight:
Those that set the rules can also change them. Some support for legacy drivers can be built in to the system, or am I mistaking what APIs and Hardware Abstraction Layers are for? MSFT have done this with windows to some extent for years. But maybe they’re less invested in the hardware, and more in getting the platform to run on as many configurations as possible.

Seems to me there is a flaw in Google's policy, on the one hand they have the eternal fragmentation issue giving them bad press, particularly in terms of security, but on the other they may be causing this with overly strict requirements hardware wise for the latest versions of Android.

I'm probably being overly simplistic in my analysis though, so apologies if I'm talking complete nonsense..

Edit: Hang on I've just seen the flaw in my own argument, but if a app maker wants to maximise their user base, wouldn't there be a way of them writing for both opengl and vulkan?
[Nexus 4 Android Development] sykopompos:
https://source.android.com/compatibility/overview.html

Google has to ensure that each release is consistent when it comes to hardware and software to ensure apps work across the board without a developer having to make versions that work on each device.

As a developer that works based on actually what resources a device has (so the cdd means nothing to me), it is a massive pain in the butt to try to be compatible across different devices that are anything other then nexuses since I'm assured they are the same (if you noticed, I tote the substratum only works on compatible custom ROMs and nexus stock and don't try to fight for compatibility on anything other like I did with layers)
[Nexus 4 Android Development] adstraylight:
I just read the article,and couldn't help thinking that it is all a little patronising, after all PC owners have had to deal with the fact that software comes with system requirements for years with no great problem. It just makes me question the need for such oversight and control.

If it has to be kept simple, then why not have a more granular system of device categorisation, such as CPU, GPU, RAM etc generation level? In fact all of the above could be incorporated into the device fingerprint on the play store making it very simple for the end user to see how well a given app would run on their individual device.
[Nexus 4 Android Development] sykopompos:
It is a different ecosystem, you aren't talking about a laptop, you are talking about a cell phone and them trying to ensure a compatible ecosystem.

Remember, the competition isn't windows, it is iOS which has the same exact devices for the past 5 years so to entice developers to make apps for android, they gotta offer them the same type of compatibility.
[Nexus 4 Android Development] Char_G:
Oh hai there :D [MENTION=1050103]sykopompos[/MENTION]
[Nexus 4 Android Development] sykopompos:
Run away!!!!
[Nexus 4 Android Development] Char_G:
B

Haha, you know what [MENTION=4661359]robygt[/MENTION] says, you can run but you can't hide from Char :p
[Nexus 4 Android Development] robygt:
[MENTION=1050103]sykopompos[/MENTION] there's no place to hide! MUHAHAHAHA
[Nexus 4 Android Development] googleygoggles:
I'll just hide with those cookies... No one would ever think to look there!?!?!!!!!
[Nexus 4 Android Development] adstraylight:
Found you! You're IT! *steals cookies*

????????????
[Nexus 4 Android Development] googleygoggles:
Hey! Come back here!!!

GIVE THOSE BAAAACK!! ????????????????????????????
[Nexus 4 Android Development] Char_G:
Hey, those are my cookies :eek:
[Nexus 4 Android Development] adstraylight:
Nom nom,, cookies? I don't see any cookies.....me thinks googley must have them.....or maybe Frank?
[Nexus 4 Android Development] googleygoggles:
Shhhh....... Our little secret.......

On an unrelated note, are you guys getting daydream headsets?
[Nexus 4 Android Development] adstraylight:
More ot..... but good news: https://www.cnet.com/news/google-ch...r-computer/?part=propeller&subj=news&tag=link

May the fishie be with you, always... ????????

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The ones at night are bad enough...too many savoury cheese cookies...
[Nexus 4 Android Development] googleygoggles:
I'm surprised Chrome is still the huge memory Hog in 2016. Even MS Edge uses way less RAM. I guess they'll finally catch up in December... Hopefully...
[Nexus 4 Android Development] spider623:
You had to awake me, oh well, chrome 55 is getting lighter
[Nexus 4 Android Development] adstraylight:
And the grouper swims on...now on 7.1...not bad for a fishie approaching its 5th birthday...????
[Nexus 4 Android Development] googleygoggles:
What really? I sorta lost my grouper... Its around the house somewhere... Nothing is wrong with it just stashed somewhere and can't remember where.

Is it sad that it's still the newest tablet I have? Also, what ROM and mods for performance? If you found something then I'll look for it and power it up :laugh:

Grouper will never die!

P.S currently my N5 is on fake Nexus ROM and I'm lovin' it (that's copywrited)

Edit: Grouper successfully on Nougat! Yay! Also, I found that despite all the mods etc. The thing that gives me the MOST noticeable boost is actually setting the governor to "performance" from "interactive" and overclocking 1500 MHZ though I'm not sure how safe that is considering that performance governor forces the tablet to the highest clock speed all the time... I think I'm going back to 1300 MHZ just in case.

Oh and ParrotMod doesn't let me flash it on Nougat... Says its only compatible with 4.X to 6.X.

Oh well. I'm fairly happy with performance so this grouper will keep on swimming for a little while longer.
[Nexus 4 Android Development] googleygoggles:
Pfft.... Sleep is overrated
[Nexus 4 Android Development] adstraylight:
I'm guessing you're using one of daniel's builds, I'm now on the one from Andisa, which incorporates several of the improvements from PM. The downside is that his (Andi's) has a non tweakable kernel, BUT if you're feeling adventurous you can flash the boot.img from daniel's ROM (I used flashify) and get the best of both worlds.

Just remember to re flash super su afterward, as the systemless root makes changes to the kernel's ramdisk.

Oh, and there is a newer version of PM, that will flash, but wont get totally implemented due to N's security restriction, it will however set up zram on Andi's ROM, if you want it..
[Nexus 4 Android Development] googleygoggles:
Ah okay, I am on one of Daniel's builds. Anyways, why is parrot mod so hard to implement in Nougat? Android is becoming more and more iOS by the minute... Oh wait, look no further than the Pixel.
[Nexus 4 Android Development] pincher65:
you haven't forgotten to download the last ParrotMod. he perfectly works with this ROM
[Nexus 4 Android Development] spider623:
Will stick to my Xperia Z2 tablet lol
[Nexus 4 Android Development] googleygoggles:
Did you know I almost bought that tablet a couple years ago? I didn't at the end because it seemed too expensive for its price in the US when it first came out.

So, how is it? Still good now a days?
[Nexus 4 Android Development] spider623:
Deleted
[Nexus 4 Android Development] spider623:
Does this count?
[Nexus 4 Android Development] adstraylight:
My GF has a Z2 that she essentially uses as a laptop with a BT keyboard when she's out on business, I have to say it's pretty impressive, even on the stock 6.0.1...The bloatware would bug me if it were mine, but she seems fine with it, in fact it does have some handy floating widgets eg. a calculator, and the overall ui design is nice, so it's swings and roundabouts...
[Nexus 4 Android Development] adstraylight:
So, I ask you, how long do we have to wait for this CAF based ROM?????!? ???????

Hope dies last???
[Nexus 4 Android Development] a g bell:
Coming soon??
[Nexus 4 Android Development] adstraylight:
I feel like such a ?, just broke the golden rule and asked for an ETA.....???
[Nexus 4 Android Development] a g bell:
Stop rushing the dev?
[Nexus 4 Android Development] adstraylight:
Sorry.... I hope syko's lovin' and livin' life to the full...(does it feel like there's a lot of apostrophes in that sentence?)....
[Nexus 4 Android Development] googleygoggles:
Welcome, to the dark side... We have ?????!!!! [MENTION=5213564]Char_G[/MENTION]

Nop'e n'o't eno'ug'h a'''''''p'''''''o'''''''''s'''''''t''''''''r''''''''o''''''''p'''''''''h'''''''''e''''''''s.

N'eed M'O'R'E!'!'!'!'!'!
[Nexus 4 Android Development] adstraylight:
N'w th't's j'st pl'n sp'ky.....my v'w'ls h'v' g'n' m'ss'ng!!!

S'mth'ng 'ls' th'ts pr'tty w'rd....

https://techcrunch.com/2016/11/22/g...ve-invented-its-own-secret-internal-language/

Bl'w my m'nd anyw'y....

' s'd v'w'ls n't 'wls....!
[Nexus 4 Android Development] Char_G:
Cookies ????????
[Nexus 4 Android Development] googleygoggles:
Doesn't seem that complex tbh... It's k'nda of w'y 'ver exa'gg'er'ting ever'ythin'.
[Nexus 4 Android Development] adstraylight:
Well, just that it poses the question of how it is actually managing to function, it must by implication have an unknown intermediary point in the process.

By being denied the use of English as that thing, then what?

Symbolic? Or even more profound, conceptual? Implying that the dumb machine, that ordinarily only does exactly what it is told, has become capable of imaginative thought. Potentially then leading to questions about a form of consciousness maybe?

Have you ever read Neuromancer? It's main theme is (kind of) about the weight of data and processing power leading to the internet itself becoming self aware. I think we're a loooooong way from that, but it opens the door to the possibility. What would happen if Google gave its neural network access to the web as a dataset to work with?

I agree about the tone of the article, but the content is very thought provoking....?
[Nexus 4 Android Development] a g bell:
Skynet anyoneðŸ˜‚
[Nexus 4 Android Development] adstraylight:
Naah, I'm old school, "Wintermute" ?
[Nexus 4 Android Development] adstraylight:
Don't mind if I do!

?

Banana?

?
[Nexus 4 Android Development] Char_G:
Chocolate chip of course ????
[Nexus 4 Android Development] adstraylight:
Delete, wisdom prevails, no politics.....?, Use your imagination based on recent events.....??????
[Nexus 4 Android Development] googleygoggles:
The bigger question is... What happened to that comment that used to be there?
[Nexus 4 Android Development] adstraylight:
It's a conspiracy, I will not be silence....

?
[Nexus 4 Android Development] googleygoggles:
You will not be grammars too
[Nexus 4 Android Development] a g bell:
Hmm ?? china?

Mix - Donald Trump Says China Remix: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RbM2F-cfN0A&list=RDRbM2F-cfN0A
[Nexus 4 Android Development] googleygoggles:
Lol

"Global Warming isn't real, it's just a Chinese conspiracy" -Trump 2016
[Nexus 4 Android Development] adstraylight:
We are indeed living in interesting times....

Here's a duck surfing!??
[Nexus 4 Android Development] googleygoggles:
Pfft. That's a Chinese conspiracy too.
[Nexus 4 Android Development] adstraylight:
It's not crispy, but maybe romantic.....?
[Nexus 4 Android Development] adstraylight:
Well I thought it was amusing...oh well, just me (again) *sigh*....
[Nexus 4 Android Development] a g bell:
1 like?
[Nexus 4 Android Development] googleygoggles:
Lol. This is just getting weird. What's next? Notice me senpai?
[Nexus 4 Android Development] plegdroid:
That a Surf Scoter ??☕

ⓐⓝⓓⓡⓞⓒⓛⓓⓔ ⓘⓢ ⓝⓞⓣ ⓐ ⓢⓘⓝ
[Nexus 4 Android Development] adstraylight:
Whatever you guys do or do not believe in, have a nice day tomorrow.....??????…
[Nexus 4 Android Development] fr3quency:
wtf are you guys talking about? Is this a spam/flood thread now? :< You've made it the Google+ Substratum page no.2
[Nexus 4 Android Development] a g bell:
Lmao ?
[Nexus 4 Android Development] adstraylight:
It's an antidote to the xda protocol we observe everywhere else, a bit of yin to go with the yang (or is it the other way around?)....?????

And anyway what else does one do while waiting.....?.......

It's also become the unofficial 50k club!
[Nexus 4 Android Development] f4ll3n:
happy new year guys

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[Nexus 4 Android Development] googleygoggles:
Aha! After a month of 0 internet I can finally get online and say this!

Ya Like Jazz?
[Nexus 4 Android Development] adstraylight:
I really do,

When I'm kinda blue,

Sippin' my Witches' brew,

???
[Nexus 4 Android Development] googleygoggles:
So does anyone know where [MENTION=1050103]sykopompos[/MENTION] is right now?
[Nexus 4 Android Development] a g bell:
I think he is no where but everywhere?
[Nexus 4 Android Development] googleygoggles:
So it's Lucy all over again

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I don't know why I'm saying this now but I just realized you end everything with a ?banana emoji

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I don't know why I'm saying this now but I just realized you end everything with a ?banana emoji

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I don't know why I'm saying this now but I just realized you end everything with a ?banana emoji

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I don't know why I'm saying this now but I just realized you end everything with a ?banana emoji
[Nexus 4 Android Development] adstraylight:
Da googly gremlins are back, xda labs can't understand em..???

?

What do you mean only just noticed!?! I've been doing it for MONTHS now....

?

It's kinda become my thing, you know when people have a "thing" to make up for a lack of personality? Well it's my thing now..?
[Nexus 4 Android Development] moriel5:
Deleted.
[Nexus 4 Android Development] googleygoggles:
On related note... Guess what "draft" it's trying to load?

You would think that after all these years they would've fixed that by now.

And yeah I'm very unobservant at times (P.S taco is my emoji ?)
[Nexus 4 Android Development] a g bell:
Ghost is better?

?
[Nexus 4 Android Development] adstraylight:
Nice to know you're with us in spirit...?
[Nexus 4 Android Development] a g bell:
Some of us have gone bananas?

?
[Nexus 4 Android Development] Maxr1998:
Nah, I prefer avocados :P

?
[Nexus 4 Android Development] adstraylight:
I always knew we'd see [MENTION=1050103]sykopompos[/MENTION] on the news one day:

https://www.xda-developers.com/an-interview-with-the-team-behind-the-substratum-theme-engine/

?
[Nexus 4 Android Development] a g bell:
He is to famous now to visit us here?

?
[Nexus 4 Android Development] adstraylight:
I hope he remembers the little people that kept him amused through the long nights of Frank's incarnations..?
[Nexus 4 Android Development] googleygoggles:
*Whispers*

Where's my personal thanks and 1 million dollars?
[Nexus 4 Android Development] adstraylight:
"Probably" in the mail....unless it's like Donald says, "FAKE NEWS"...?

But then, who is to say what's truly true, maybe "post truth" is a lie?
[Nexus 4 Android Development] googleygoggles:
ME. Obviously.
[Nexus 4 Android Development] adstraylight:
I'm aGoG in anticipation of your Guidance, oh Great GooGly....please share your clarity...

Is it Ok to eat mushrooms as a vegetarian?

What is the maximum length of a power nap before it's simply 'sleeping'?

How many hours of your life do you lose looking for things you only just put down, and does this serve any useful purpose?

Is respect earned or assumed?

Have all my other socks gone on tour as the chorus line of a puppet theatre show?

???
[Nexus 4 Android Development] googleygoggles:
1) No

2) Yes (Even if they are actually fungi)

3) 1.5 hours

4) Dozens, and it serves to teach you patience

5) Only the striped ones

7) Definitely not

8) I skipped a number

9) You fell for it again

10) Or did you?
[Nexus 4 Android Development] adstraylight:
I agree.

How about as a vegan?

Phew, then with my current sleep pattern, I'm fully empowered..

I thoroughly approve and endorse this message.

I've never owned any of those, so where did mine go?

Damn, I'll fetch the scissors...?

You did, but I've never been sure of 6 as a concept, does it really exist?

I'm actually quite sanguine when it comes to 9.

Best to consult the cat about this...?...last seen in Dr. Schrödinger's office......?
[Nexus 4 Android Development] googleygoggles:
No, not as a vegan.

You did own some, but their gone now because their striped. Of course, it's standard procedure to erase the memory of you owning them so you don't go looking for 'em.

Here, borrow mine ?

6 is, contrary to popular belief, a myth

No. Just no.
[Nexus 4 Android Development] adstraylight:
This is why I personally avoid isms..

What were we talking about again?

Thanks!

Are you going to tell the maths dept, or shall I?

Why?

And another thing........?
[Nexus 4 Android Development] googleygoggles:
I don't know...

No problem

I tried to tell them, but they said it's already a part of common core and won't take it back.

Why not?

Fight me ?
[Nexus 4 Android Development] adstraylight:
I just find them too restrictive to freedom of thought.

Well I suppose they use a lot of mythical things (infinity, square root of minus one....cue enraged posts from mathematicians ?).

A positive answer to an ambiguous question...

I prefer to make lunch not war.

????????????
[Nexus 4 Android Development] googleygoggles:
Great your making me hungry now... Ughhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
[Nexus 4 Android Development] adstraylight:
[MENTION=1050103]sykopompos[/MENTION] is working on his media profile yet again ?

https://www.xda-developers.com/excl...e-cmte-not-coming-back-lineageos-replacement/

???????????????????????
[Nexus 4 Android Development] Paulroberts:
no ? :confused:
[Nexus 4 Android Development] adstraylight:
Malfunction resolved ????????
[Nexus 4 Android Development] googleygoggles:
That extra chicken emoji is also another malfunction but we're not complaining...
[Nexus 4 Android Development] adstraylight:
Which one? ?????
[Nexus 4 Android Development] Maxr1998:
The last one, I guess ?

?
[Nexus 4 Android Development] sykopompos:
I do

Just been so busy with everything that I haven't had the chance to pop in
[Nexus 4 Android Development] jer_ying_fd:
Good old days indeed
[Nexus 4 Android Development] googleygoggles:
You should really reread some of the older pages of this thread for a major blast of nostalgia.
[Nexus 4 Android Development] Targaeryan:
Justttt passingggg byyyyyyyy *vrooomm* or I think it should be *sheeewwwwww*(dragon flying sound I guess)

I miss the googleysss

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[Nexus 4 Android Development] googleygoggles:
My students abandoned me and the way of the Googley :(. No one seems to be able to master the art of Googleys nowadays...

On a separate note... Is that OnePlus 3/3T you've got now :D
[Nexus 4 Android Development] Targaeryan:
Hahahahaha I've trieeddd.. It barely works out now.. This thread was definitely special!

Yeah! OP3 it is, my n4s screen broke a long long time back and I never got it fixed.. Then went to htc one m8 (hand me down) and finally to op3... What you running now?

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[Nexus 4 Android Development] googleygoggles:
When my N4 screen broke I got a great deal on a new N5 for $80 from some local guy (he had no idea what phone it was). Been using that for almost 2 years with no problems. I should probably upgrade by now though...
[Nexus 4 Android Development] Targaeryan:
Lol! You pulled a good deal.. Op3 is pretty decent.. YUUGEE ? upgrade from n4 and one m8.. Battery goes on and on.. 6gb RAM the fast charging! Dev community is pretty extensive too ..

Miss the guys from this thread! We should definitely revive it!

[MENTION=1050103]sykopompos[/MENTION] get your butt back in heree! We'll keep you safe from the paparazzi!

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[Nexus 4 Android Development] googleygoggles:
Surprisingly my friend has a 1+3T and it's amazing! It looks absolutely stunning and the fast charging time is ridiculously good (we timed it once).

Maybe if we spam [MENTION=1050103]sykopompos[/MENTION] he shall hear the call and return. It's even better if a Googley occurs because then he gets tons of mentions at once XD
[Nexus 4 Android Development] Targaeryan:
Hhahaha fast charging is insane.. The only prob so far is they still haven't fixed touchscreen latency.. Its a little of the slower side.. Rest of the things are awesome..

Googley didn't succeed... I think it just needs a whole bunch of ppl posting at the same time like those days?

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[Nexus 4 Android Development] googleygoggles:
Maybe XDA finely got around to fixing the Googley bug? I mean, it only took then 5 years...
[Nexus 4 Android Development] Targaeryan:
Possibly.. Or my theory of an insane number of replies being posted to the thread at the same time like those days might be plausible too ?

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[Nexus 4 Android Development] googleygoggles:
And copy/paste still exists so fake Googleys are possible (let's just "pretend" they're real Googleys. No one will know the difference)
[Nexus 4 Android Development] googleygoggles:
Snow on the east coast :D :D

I wonder how [MENTION=1050103]sykopompos[/MENTION] is fairing with the weather...
[Nexus 4 Android Development] sykopompos:
Gonna be a whole lot of ugh, they are calling for 16 to 20 inches here and considering it a blizzard.

It is just starting though
[Nexus 4 Android Development] googleygoggles:
A lot less snow expected here... Only a few inches but snow non the less XD
[Nexus 4 Android Development] adstraylight:
Time to build a Snow-Frank...??????

(I know, I know, just kidding ?)
[Nexus 4 Android Development] sykopompos:
I will push a build up in the op with the old kernel, give me about a half hour. That won't have those issues. I forgot I was going to do that

Sent from my C6916
[Nexus 4 Android Development] ph37rd:
one addition to this... you need an LTE enabled SIM.

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Android KitKat MR2.2 (AKA 4.4.4_r2) OTA Update Rolling Out To Nexus 5, Build Number KTU84Q, Now Pushing To AOSP
[Nexus 4 Android Development] hazwheel:
Me too, but then compared to most here, i AM old [emoji12]

Sent from L
[Nexus 4 Android Development] sykopompos:
Beta 4 with the old kernel pushed back in and new WiFi drivers removed added to the op till able to figure out those issues.

I am looking into them and think I will finally be able to look into this. If anyone wants to do any testing for that, I will put up some test builds. Take notice of your Mac address before flashing these test builds later to let me know if it goes back to right or if the dummy address is still there

Sent from my C6916
[Nexus 4 Android Development] sykopompos:
Gonna get myself a pizza for dinner, more caffeine and then let's try to focus on this

Sent from my C6916
[Nexus 4 Android Development] kdellea:
Okay then which fb am I using because there are no transparency issues.
[Nexus 4 Android Development] :
4.4.4_R2 was literally a 2MB update for radios and connectivity issues in New Zealand, Australia, and India :p
[Nexus 4 Android Development] LuisArmstrong:
awesome! im on! that issue must be fixed
[Nexus 4 Android Development] ph37rd:
Enjoy dinner. Sent you a PM
[Nexus 4 Android Development] ramjet73:
I believe all the T-Mobile USA SIM's (pre-paid or post-paid) are LTE enabled. I'm not sure about MVNO's like StraightTalk since I've only used their AT&T version.

ramjet73
[Nexus 4 Android Development] ph37rd:
I have an old Simple Mobile sim cut down to fit in the N4. No can do LTE.
[Nexus 4 Android Development] dodgebizkit:
I installed the WiFi fix while on beta 4 kernel 8 - WiFi is more reliable and faster but the symbol is permanently orange.

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