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[Galaxy Tab S General] kingofthebraves:
My old tablet was a note 10.1 2014 which was heavy, somewhat slow and had a washed out screen when viewed on the sides. The tab s on the other hand is extremely light weight, fluid and virtually lag free (if you use Nova launcher)!! I can't believe Samsung did such a poor job of updating their previous flagship. These two tablets have virtually the same specs but the experience on the note was just painful because you always knew it could do more. Even opening the keyboard and typing on it was kinda slow.

I have no idea what Samsung is doing releasing these many tables to flood the market and I guess they're borrowing a page or two from apples playback regarding planned obsolescence for their hardware.

This is the best tablet experience I have ever had on Android and I have used both the nexus 7s, note 10.1 2014 and the nexus 10. Speed is on per with the note 3 which is a beast of an android.
[Galaxy Tab S General] avenging:
yeah ive seen the 2014 edition as well as the tab pro tablets ive always noticed the screens are kinda washed out or im just used to super amoled on my notes lol
[Galaxy Tab S General] toyanucci:
I agree completely. I will also add that there was a hardware bluetooth issue, because the same bluetooth keyboard that would constantly disconnect on the Note 2014 now works without issue on the Tab S. I had made modifications to my Note and it ran great and battery life was good, but the Tab S is just better, in every way. The ONLY thing I miss is the S Pen and I wish they would just release all their products with an S Pen, because with their track record, I'm preparing myself to be pissed when in a couple months they announce the Note S (I assume around the time they release the Note 4) [emoji35]
[Galaxy Tab S General] 12MaNy:
You know you can just buy an s-pen....right?
[Galaxy Tab S General] toyanucci:
It doesn't work like that. The S Pen works with the wacom digitizer which is built into the screen of Note devices. The Tab S doesn't have th3 wacom digitizer so no, the S Pen won't work with it (the one from my Note 3 doesn't work with it for example).
[Galaxy Tab S General] BarryH_GEG:
The N10.1-14, Pro's, and Tab S' are the same devices repackaged. They're all using the same SoC's, core UI (TW 4.4 with or w/o M-UX), and h/w components. Exceptions being form factor, LCD vs. AMOLED, USB 3.0 on 12" tablets, finger print reader on the S'. Therefore saying "OMG! What a difference!", either positive or negative, doesn't really jive with reality. I've always been kind of LCD vs. AMOLED agnostic. AMOLED colors tend to be more blown out (which I actually like), blacks and contrast speak for themselves, but white's are always blueish. LCD displays tend to be brighter, colors are less vivid and separated, blacks and contrast weaker, with truer whites. Counting Apple's devices LCD still outsells AMOLED 4:1.

AMOLED sucks battery on whites and kicks butt on darker colors. Most productivity apps have white backgrounds which is definitely going to be a problem for productivity users. As will browsing and using the Tab S as a reader.

As for Samsung's LCD QHD tablet displays, they are the best LCD displays currently available and by no means deficient. To each their own...
[Galaxy Tab S General] toyanucci:
I've had both, and the difference in battery life is more than a couple hours doing the same tasks. I didn't comment on the snappiness because your right, it's all the same internals however the software is tweaked differently which makes a difference as well.

My tablets are for web browsing and media consumption and for that I usually get by without any lags or jerkiness WITH power saving on. I posted in the battery life thread and you'll notice my even shots have power saving on as I don't really game anymore much less on my tablet. Either way, I've seen real world improvements but I understand your core point.

I also disagree that amoled whites are blueish, my note 3 and tab s have the truest whites of all my devices including my macbook pro to the point where I use them at about 20% brightness indoors, often times even less because over that the whites hurt my eyes. And this also has me thinking if the battery life test you posted was with brightness at 100% as with my tab s I get about 1 hour and 15 minutes per 10% battery while browsing so I'm not sure what they did to get those results.
[Galaxy Tab S General] BarryH_GEG:
I didn't post to make anyone with a Tab S like it less. I really like the design, accessories, and larger display on the 10.5. But people can get "deals" on the Pro's and N10.1-14 that makes them worth considering (for some). I'm a 10" fan so have no interest in the 8.4 but a Pro 8.4 can be had at Best Buy for $229 which makes it pretty compelling; especially since it's S-800. Point being there's lots to like about the S' but their release didn't instantly make the Note/Pro's cow dung. ;)

The white point average (closest to 6,500K is better) for the devices we're talking about is:

Note 3 - 7,126

Note 10.1 - 2014 - 6,821

Tab S 10.5 - 6,516

Tab S 8.4 - 6,295

IPad Air - 7,377

So the N10.1-14 does better on whites than all but the 10.5 Tab S and with a much smaller margin the S 8.4.

If you're interested, here are the links showing the detailed results for the Tab S and N10.1-14. There's no question the S' results are better (with the exception of brightness) but, for an LCD display, Samsung did a good job with their QHD panels. But let's face it, people judge displays based on what looks best to them and that's more important than statistics.

N10.1-14 - http://www.anandtech.com/show/7378/samsung-galaxy-note-101-2014-edition-review/3

Tab S' - http://www.anandtech.com/show/8197/samsung-galaxy-tab-s-review-105-84inch/2
[Galaxy Tab S General] kingofthebraves:
Same device indeed but the performance on responsive was on the software is staggering. My note was running a custom room with everything tweaked and it still cannot open a keyboard without a split second lag or two. Everything was always one step behind and never instantaneous. The tab s is the only Android device that made me feel it was on par with the iPad in fluidity and that's high praise.
[Galaxy Tab S General] toyanucci:
Hey, theres 1 thing I don't like about the Tab S display. In movies human skin has an orange tint which I can't get used to, I'm awaiting a custom kernel that allows synapse color editing as it's the only one that allows for negative values, all other screen editing apps only allow you to add, not minus.
[Galaxy Tab S General] BarryH_GEG:
You realize there's six pages of counter opinion about performance and lag in this thread with folks coming from Note's and Pro's saying it's noticeably worse on the S? Not challenging you (I'm actually fairly lag tolerant as long as it's not in-app) but either the binning in 5420 got you a chip with super powers or people are having very different experiences. ;)

http://xdaforums.com/galaxy-tab-s/general/disappointed-tab-s-t2803856
[Galaxy Tab S General] kingofthebraves:
Lol to each his own. I setup my androids pretty much the same way so the basis for my comparisons are the same. I'm using the Lte variant BTW running on 800, I'm pretty sure most people are on the WiFi only model, perhaps a reasons for the discrepancy?
[Galaxy Tab S General] mitchellvii:
That's what you get for watching Jersey Shore ☺.

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No lag on mine.
[Galaxy Tab S General] BarryH_GEG:
Aren't you using a third party launcher? Any comparisons I've made are stock<>stock. You shouldn't have to blow away features to get decent (whatever that means ;) ) performance.
[Galaxy Tab S General] mitchellvii:
For me it isn't a matter of principal but just do what works. TouchWiz doesn't work so I replaced it with something that does. I consider anything which the average person can install from the Play Store without root to be "stock" and fair for comparison purposes.

I don't buy Samsung for their awesome software. ☺
[Galaxy Tab S General] Freakstyler:
Which features do you 'blow away' by loading Nova launcher?
[Galaxy Tab S General] toyanucci:
All I needed was root. I deboalted and all was well, same as I did with the note. Others complained of lags there too but I was lag free after debloating there as well. I also prefer touchwiz on my tablet even though I use nova on my note 3. I'll post a review video sometime this week. If it's one thing I wish samsung would do is debloat by default lol.
[Galaxy Tab S General] mitchellvii:
The slow ones ?.
[Galaxy Tab S General] robertc88:
Launchers change the UI of a device. They don't blow away anything, just a different interface to utilize.

Go to task manager and check the RAM with different launchers and the same things in use, the ram ain't going to change. Bloatware impedes performance and alternate launchers do not remove them so that is why folks want to root. One can also turn off featues like multitask if they don't use them.

TouchWiz is much better than it use to be. I can easily live with this UI on the S.
[Galaxy Tab S General] HughesNet:
The pro 8.4 was $249 two weeks ago for a single week. They are back at $330 now and were last week as well.
[Galaxy Tab S General] BarryH_GEG:
Truthfully, if all I wanted was a consumption device, I'd get an iPad. I buy Samsung's (not Android's) tablets because of what I can do with them. I'd never own a AOSP device because I don't see the point. Here's a list of apps (from a previous post) I use on my phone and tablet. Obviously all aren't equally valuable and some are just fun whether others I couldn't live without. "Faster" to me isn't about transitions and app opening, it's about getting stuff done. And some of the stuff indicated lets me do that in ways I can't on other devices. Someone who's blown away TW can probably elaborate on which work and don't with third party launchers.

AllShare Cast

SamsungLink

Shortcuts on the lock screen

Wake up by voice in the lock screen (programmable and "Hi Galaxy")

Multi window

Automatically view content in multi-window when opening files, URLs, and attachments

Watercolor unlock affect

S Voice

Control calls, alarm, camera, and music with voice commands

Direct pen input to write info in text boxes

Air view

Air command

Smart alert

Pan and tilt to zoom/navigate

Palm motion to mute and pause

Smart stay, rotation, pause, and scroll

Samsung account sync for browser favorites, Scrap book, S Note

My magazine

Scrap book

S Note

Milk

Pop up play

Hancom Office

Action memo

S finder

WatchOn

SmartView (Samsung branded TV remote)

Kies air

KNOX

My Files (FTP)

Video editor

Drag and drop between Multi view windows

Daynote

Samsung book cover

Stock browser

Story Album
[Galaxy Tab S General] toyanucci:
You're definitely samsungs target market lol. I remove or don't use most ot the features you listed. I basically browse with chrome beta, watch videos I've downloaded (via the ttorrent app on the tablet) with dice player (or stream and watch directly through showbox) and use facebook and occasionally do some productivity work with a word processor every now and then (more when school is on). I manage my synology nas remotely from the tablet when i need to as well youtubing and thr occational google maps usage if i require a bigger screen than my note 3. I use the galaxy universal remote app to control devices when needed as I find it more useful that watchon. I also use photomate to edit raw picture files from my dslr and use flickr every so often as well. That's what I use my tablet for in a nutshell.

While I may not use all of samsungs features, I still prefer their devices to vanilla aosp android and probably wouldn't buy a aops tablet either. Oh, I use multiwindow quite a bit too and find it very useful!

Also, re media consumption and an ipad, I've had em and didn't like em unless jailbroken. I couldn't torrent (unless jailbroken and even then it was a headache) nor stream outiside of netflix or hulu. Constantly converting my media became a pain as well. With android mkv, avi, mp4, it doesn't matter it gets played somehow. I see android as a step fwd. The Tab S is like a laptop but just lighter, more convenient to carry and use and with way better battery life.
[Galaxy Tab S General] Freakstyler:
I don't think you understand the point of a launcher, Nova and other launchers don't impede or remove the ability to run or use any of the above programs that you listed.

By loading Nova you don't remove TW, as TW launcher is always one click away if you want it back.

Nova, Apex, Go etc will allow all of the apps you list to work the exactly the same way as TW does, only it's faster and more configurable, You don't remove TW, or blow it away, you simply add a better launcher that offers a much more fluid and customizable experience.

It's Win, Win.

So use it with Nova or whatever...... You seem very confused about Launchers, You may wish to try Nova before assuming it's useless.... AOSP builds may remove functionality as you say, but changing the Launcher does not.
[Galaxy Tab S General] avenging:
silly question as ive never owned a tablet but can you livestream with one? with the note 3 i cant anymore like i want to live stream tennis matches because of flash player issues but in tablets can you and if you cant is there a way to watch them on tablets?
[Galaxy Tab S General] BarryH_GEG:
LOL, of course I do. Some of Samsung's features are integrated with their "stuff." For example, accessing the persistent clipboard on stock vs. third party keyboards. I also use 10 of Samsung's widgets which go away with third party launchers. TW has never really bothered me so I don't feel the need to go third party. That's why I can't answer what impact a third party launcher has (if any) on the apps I use.

And talk about blasphemy. ;)
[Galaxy Tab S General] mitchellvii:
@Freakstyler, you're new here so we'll cut you some slack but for future reference, when a dude has over 4000 THANK-YOU'S by his name probably not a good idea to imply he doesn't understand something as simple as a Launcher.

I'm a reasonably bright and knowledgeable guy but when it comes to this Android stuff compared to BarryH I'm a drooling moron. Respect.
[Galaxy Tab S General] xRevilatioNx:
I've been lag free from day one. I prefer Nova over TW. But by no means did I switch over because of lag. I've had none, whatsoever.
[Galaxy Tab S General] BarryH_GEG:
You're mistaking authoritative writing with knowledge. ;) You'd be amazed at how much I don't know. I've walked positions back plenty of times - I've been taught more than I've taught on the forum. That's how we

all

learn.

P.S. - I just installed the second 4.4 update (an update to the update) that Samsung's released for the N10.1-14. Holy crap Batman - it's fast. I can tell they played with the display drivers because the colors are a bit different (yellows are "yellower" - owners will understand), auto brightness a tad higher, and graphics seems noticeably faster. Maybe the 1.0 graphics drivers for AMOLED are tripping up the S'?
[Galaxy Tab S General] xRevilatioNx:
Barry,

Hopefully they do some tweaking on this device as well. I'm all-in for anything that makes our tablets even more of a beast.
[Galaxy Tab S General] mitchellvii:
I want this tablet to project a life size hologram of Nina Agdal. That's probably in 4.5. ☺
[Galaxy Tab S General] c3c0l0n:
I am considering the Tab S, but when I tried it in store I think it lagged in several ways. Going from the store demo to the home screen took a couple of seconds, the same did launching an app. Swiping between home screens was somewhat quick, but not "fluid".

This can have several causes in addition to the device being laggy itself - it ran a demo app, it was very new (so I presume it did not have gotten the mentioned update), and I think it was the Wifi version.

If you think your Tab S does or does not lag, please state whether it's LTE or not. I've read that they have different CPUs.
[Galaxy Tab S General] simacca:
My 8.4 wifi has the odd micro stutter now and again, but otherwise really smooth and quick. Also much better after enabling developer options and switching animations off.
[Galaxy Tab S General] robertc88:
I did that as well and limiting background processes in developers options may or may not help, have not had enough time to digest.

I still do not feel with my device specifically I need to do any tweaking. I am impressed with the way it runs just stock.
[Galaxy Tab S General] simacca:
I think it's pretty slick on stock. Same as the pro 8.4 I had previously. The only thing I don't like is the toolbox icon lags like hell when moving it around the screen.
[Galaxy Tab S General] Freakstyler:
Than why did you post a whole list of non relevant options, tools and apps that are ALL compatible with Nova launcher?

Everything you mentioned works fine with other launchers, so what was your point?

And yet he and yourself have been wrong so many times in this thread, go figure.

If you say so.... :)
[Galaxy Tab S General] BarryH_GEG:
Did you test them all? I said above someone using a third party launcher could better comment. Do what you want but, personally, I rarely use the word "all" when giving guidance here unless I'm 100% confident what I'm saying is accurate. If you have tested them all and aren't just theorizing then thanks for your contribution.
[Galaxy Tab S General] mitchellvii:
Wow so 35 posts and you've already managed to establish yourself as a complete ass. Well done. It takes most jerks longer than that. You seem incapable of communicating your opinion without being condescending and argumentative. #1 rule of forums, always treat the established members with respect even if you disagree with them, especially if you're fresh off the boat yourself.

It is unsurprising that you are rarely thanked for your contribution.
[Galaxy Tab S General] Freakstyler:
Yes, I use all of them under Nova.

The only features I know that don't work under some launchers are some specific TW Widgets, everything you listed however, works fine.

Ironic really considering it was you who claimed without being 100% correct, that those features would be 'blown away' and didn't work with other launchers, and yet they all do...

No problems, perhaps try testing them yourself next time, before theorizing such things as fact.

As smarter than you.... Yes..... It wasn't even hard.

Don't be so sure, you've been a complete jerk since your first post apparently. :)
[Galaxy Tab S General] msavic6:
Barry, from a productivity standpoint did you ever consider the Surface Pro lineup? Minus a couple android specific things on your list, I would think the Surface Pro 3 would serve your productivity needs extremely well not too mention the benefits of having a full windows device. Android can only go so far before it becomes outclassed, Samsung attempts to extend the usability of Android by implementing it's own features and while it will work for many, from a pure productivity standpoint, a mobile OS can't compete with a desktop class OS in my opinion.
[Galaxy Tab S General] kingofthebraves:
I've played around with the SP3 and it just doesnt feel right as a tablet nor as a laptop replacement. You can't maximize the hardware for work and it's too bulky to carry around as a tablet that you can enjoy.
[Galaxy Tab S General] stamatis:
Let's leave the "who is smarter" and the name calling and continue with the topic please.

Thanks.
[Galaxy Tab S General] BarryH_GEG:
To prevent unnecessary debate or comments on other's comments, the following is only

my

opinion.

The Surfi are great for productivity. Android's great for consumption. Surfi suck more at consumption than Android does at productivity. The Surfi are also too damn big and require too many components and moving parts to travel with. Hancom's a really decent faux-Office product with the biggest issue being some funky fixed settings (cm vs. inches, default paragraph/line/indent settings, and bullet handling). I get by with Hancom for light duty stuff and use Jump RDP for heavier workloads. I can leave my notebook at home 50% of the time which is a big step up from my N10.1-12 which was about 25%. I'm Goldilocks: 8.4" is too small, 12" (any OS) is too big, and 10" is just right. There are times I wish the display was larger but I

love

the portability which is a big priority for me. No tablet's perfect but I've landed on what I think is the least imperfect.

My set up...

And it all fits in here, including the 6' angled USB cable, charger, and tripod stand...

This Samsung commercial does a great job at putting the Surfi in to perspective...

[YOUTUBE]6nFe_SWcq4Q[/YOUTUBE]
[Galaxy Tab S General] stealthieone:
i have been loving my new tab s. my first tablet.

question... when using sidesync, is it possible to send text messages? if not what are you guys using for text messages?
[Galaxy Tab S General] mitchellvii:
There are numerous apps that can use the Internet to send text messages. I've always liked TextPlus. It's in the Market (I refuse to call it the Play Store as I'm not 5 years old).

Haven't used Sidesync yet, but maybe you can. Try it.
[Galaxy Tab S General] dcaplinger76:
You just send a text message from your regular text app that you use on your phone. You are basically just screen mirroring your phone onto your tab.

At least that is my experience from using Sidesync on my Tab Pro... Will find out more when I fire up my new 10.5 after work today.
[Galaxy Tab S General] stealthieone:
when i try to use the message app when I'm using sidesync the keyboard doesn't pop up
[Galaxy Tab S General] dcaplinger76:
What phone are you syncing with? I going to try mine on the 10.5 Tab S tonight with the Note 3... My only experience with it is on the Tab Pro and Note 3 and it worked great, hope nothing changed on the S. I will let you know how it goes tonight.
[Galaxy Tab S General] kingofthebraves:
I'm having the same issue as well. I read somewhere that you need to have the s5 keyboard if you're using side sync on a phone not an s5
[Galaxy Tab S General] simacca:
I had the same problem using SwiftKey
[Galaxy Tab S General] CASz:
I don't think Side sync works with devices before the Note 3. I'm using mightytext for messaging from my tablet.
[Galaxy Tab S General] BarryH_GEG:
SideSync works differently on anything but the SGS5. With the SGS5 you can make and receive calls (from the phone) on your tablet.

With other devices you get this...

MMS works fine with an external keyboard. Like someone said above you need to be rooted with the SGS5 keyboard installed to you the internal keyboard with SideSync.
[Galaxy Tab S General] stealthieone:
Ok I have confirmed that you have to use the Samsung keyboard as the keyboard on your phone, when using sidesync. I have a galaxy s5.

Also it makes your tablet switch back to Samsung keyboard. when you disconnect the tablet switches back to what keyboard you had selected before sync.
[Galaxy Tab S General] xchampx13:
Yeah on my GS4 after I used SideSync my keyboard went from SwiftKey to Samsung
[Galaxy Tab S General] justwondering:
Hmmmm does this feature work with Note 3 ?
[Galaxy Tab S General] Hisma:
I just got my tablet yesterday, nearly a month after I pre-ordered it. I did the sears special on slickdeals, which got me the tablet + book cover + $120 store credit for $500. Killer deal.

I at first regretted buying it, since I had a hp touchpad before and didn't really like it. But this thing is in a whole other league. Just a joy to browse on, so light and functional.

My issue so far is that it takes FOREVER to charge. The tablet came 60% charged out of the box, but when I plugged it in to charge it took 3 hours to charge. 3 hours, to charge 40%. Don't even know how that's possible.

Also, the micro-stutter is annoying me. I have a htc one m8 as my smart phone, and sense just feels snappier and refined.

I want to root and debloat this thing, but I am always leery of doing a root on such a new, untested device. Has anyone experienced lack of stability after root? I am okay with voiding my samsung warranty, since I don't expect to return this thing, but I don't want to make it more unstable by rooting.

Also, can someone suggest the optimal browser & launcher to make this thing fly?

Thanks!