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[Windows Phone 8 General] myst02:
Yes, I've flashed this ROM: 059S4J7 RM-892 VAR FI CV BLACK
[Windows Phone 8 General] ceesheim:
what is the os build number ?

EDIT:

ok found it , its the same as the latest DEV preview build .
[Windows Phone 8 General] ceesheim:
logically it would be one , you post 4 build numbers :D

but it is 8.10.12397.895
[Windows Phone 8 General] ceesheim:
what I wanted too know was if they maybe used a post update 3 build ( I should have known better then that :( ) but they didn't.
[Windows Phone 8 General] ddaflorez:
Mate how to manually update the 1520. Im comming from android but dont know where or how to download a firmware for this phone. Would you bother to post a tuto or provide a link to one . I tried to download the cyan update form nokia care suite but the available firmware there is the same as my phone has which is wp 8.1 with the lumia black update. Thanks in advanced.
[Windows Phone 8 General] ddaflorez:
Done, but still dont get the cyan update. My Phone already has wp 8.1 but with lumia Black. Is it possible to get the update for my 1520 just the way you did with your lumia ? The ponit is that i dont know how to force a finland product code for this Phone.
[Windows Phone 8 General] ddaflorez:
Guess 1520 was nokia's flagship ? there insn'ta schedule for the update rigth ? Can't find one on Google.
[Windows Phone 8 General] h4r888:
Sorry if it's out of topic, but I'm curious whether if it's possible to get either GDR3 official update or 8.1 official update (not beta version) but via developer channel. As currently seems so hard for me to update my phone. Currently, it's only using GDR2.
[Windows Phone 8 General] myst02:
You need to flash this GDR3 ROM and then go through the OTA update to cyan: •059V5R7 RM-937 VAR EURO TR CV BLACK

It's available for 1520 now! ;D
[Windows Phone 8 General] myst02:
Easy to do. Register at http://appstudio.windowsphone.com and download the Preview for Developers app on your phone. Log in with your MS account and search for phone update under settings -> phone update. That's all ;)
[Windows Phone 8 General] davestone:
Is there any performance improvement with Official Nokia Cyan update over the Developer Preview on the Nokia 925?
[Windows Phone 8 General] lohtse:
question for you

I have dev preview installed on my lumia 520..

will this update with official nokia version and updates when available or is it a complete reflash???

somewhat curious what will happen...

also stupid question but is cyan the code name for 8.1?
[Windows Phone 8 General] ddaflorez:
for sure ! Im giving a try.
[Windows Phone 8 General] ddaflorez:
Is it my impression or lumia 1520 runs games better on wp 8.0 than wp 8.1 ?
[Windows Phone 8 General] ddaflorez:
..

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Mate done. Do you know how to set up region in order to receive the properly cyan update ? It keeps saying my pone is update and it has wp8 under lumia black
[Windows Phone 8 General] h4r888:
[MENTION=4687247]anaheiim[/MENTION]

Thanks for the info. It's just that I read it somewhere and they mentioned that if I update my phone using Preview for Developers, I will only get the beta version (not stable version), thus, it may be buggy and cause problems.
[Windows Phone 8 General] myst02:
Yeah, I know. You need to flash the ROM mentioned in first answer, because Turkish Lumia 1520 has already got cyan update. This is Turkish rom.
[Windows Phone 8 General] ddaflorez:
Have you tried ? Can you post some screen shoots ? I flashed the turkish rom and have recrived 2 minor updates for wp 8.1 ( 8.10.12397.895) but nothing about the cyan update so dar . Still on lumia Black.
[Windows Phone 8 General] ddaflorez:
It is updated

Has anyone else tried to updated this phone with succes ?
[Windows Phone 8 General] :
895 is the latest update the preview developers revived last. We re just waiting for cyan.
[Windows Phone 8 General] davestone:
It is just me or the phone acts strange in 8.1 if you are watching videos in the browser? Really weird on 925.
[Windows Phone 8 General] ddaflorez:
Wp 8.1 and lumia Cyan update rolling out today for the lumia 625 in thailand http://a.mynews.ly/!gD.BhbeH
[Windows Phone 8 General] geddeeee:
The Turkish 1520 ROM will not get you the Cyan update. It's been confirmed as fake. Not the ROM, but that Cyan is being pushed to Turkey for the 1520.

I know because I have tried it.....

Cyan will be available when it's ready for the 1520. Just need to be patient!!!
[Windows Phone 8 General] ddaflorez:
Guys will there be a Nokia lumia running android kitkat ? http://a.mynews.ly/!gD.Bhp3I

What do you think ?
[Windows Phone 8 General] towmmyzd:
did you try"kids corner"? Also need to type password?
[Windows Phone 8 General] ceesheim:
no and no
[Windows Phone 8 General] greythorne:
is your ROM from Finland in English?
[Windows Phone 8 General] greythorne:
In that case I can install this and get the cyan update?
[Windows Phone 8 General] ddaflorez:
No you can't its fake for 1520 ! I flashed it. You may get an upgrade to 8.1 preview id you register as developer but nothing about the cyan update.
[Windows Phone 8 General] Katalogboy:
The Update is very Nice:good:
[Windows Phone 8 General] supermax3:
hjhj

this uptate come for lumia 620 ?
[Windows Phone 8 General] ddaflorez:
Product code for unlocked L1520 región/country Portugal ? Red somewhere they already have the cyan update available ?
[Windows Phone 8 General] ddaflorez:
rigth.
[Xperia Z2 Accessories] ca12bon:
Hi all, I was wondering which full body skin protector is the thickest for the Z2? I don't know if anyone remembers the really think clear ones that many iphone 3GS users had, but I need something thick, since I will not be using a case for my Z2.

I used to use a skinomi for my HTC One, and I quite liked it, but I would prefer something thicker (if it exists) for the Z2.

THanks!

:laugh:
[Xperia Z2 Accessories] ca12bon:
Nobody has ANY idea of clear skin protectors here? Cmon guys even just some recommendations will help alot. Just need something to protect the glass if I drop the phone (even though I take good care of it).

Thanks in advance
[Xperia Z2 Accessories] ca12bon:
Thanks everyone for the help, after doing much research across multiple languages, in multiple search engines, and reading tons of reviews I've narrowed down the list to either the Rhinoshield or the tempered glass ones, but right now leaning towards the 0.33mm tempered glass.
[Xposed General] xXArunKXx:
I am running android L on my Nexus 7 but i just wanted to know when will Xposed support the android version??

Or will it ever support android L
[Xposed General] Play3r0:
Android L is a preview version. So you shouldn't wait Xposed for this version. Maybe in few weeks or months we will have Android 4.5 or Android 5.0 with Xposed support :good:
[Xposed General] rovo89:
Yeah.. I'm currently playing around with it a bit, trying to get adb working in root mode and stuff which makes it easier to develop.

It's indeed still a preview release, and it's a moving target (there are very strong signs that Google will update the preview before the final release). Root apps and even some normal apps don't work well at the moment. It's good that I can try what is necessary to get Xposed running, but I haven't decided yet whether I will work on a Xposed preview release for this preview ROM. I'll share some more thoughts once I had the chance to look deeper into it.
[Xposed General] PedroM.CostaAndrade:
if you can get xposed running in android L developer preview it will make xposed available to kitkat with art ?
[Xposed General] tonyp:
How about you just let him work on it and see how it's goes.

There's literally no reason at all to bother him with questions, when he has something new to share he will, when he doesn't those questions will be just annoying to him. Not yours personally, but the sheer amount of people bombarding him with all kinds of art related questions just add up.
[Xposed General] rovo89:
"Getting it running" is one thing, whether it's good to publish it is another question. I've had a prototype of Xposed for the ART preview in December already. Barely tested, needed manual installation, probably failing here and there, but generally it did what it should. But already back then, I've seen that Google is still working actively on improving ART. They have made huge internal changes since then. Last weekend, I made my prototype compile against the master branch of AOSP and I had to introduce lots of conditionals. That's without knowing whether it will actually work, I just changed declarations, calls etc. to avoid compile time errors.

The ART preview in KitKat and the ART almost-final in the Android L preview are different pieces of software. Maintaining support for both of them means basically twice the work, especially for testing. That, and the fact that ART in KitKat was just an optional preview (with potential bugs that may be incorrectly blamed on Xposed), makes it less likely that I will publish Xposed for the KitKat variant of ART. That's not a final decision, it depends on how ART development continues and how well I can support Android L. It's important that Xposed works fine on upcoming Android versions where ART is the only runtime. KitKat support would be a bonus if it's not too much effort to maintain in parallel.

Oh, and for everyone who thinks that posting "pleeeeease" or "you have to support it" will increase the chances of publishing something: It won't. It will just annoy me and make it less likely.

Indeed. I have received lots of hints "hey, Android L is out now" - yes, I know. So for now, I have disabled PMs...

By the way, I have just read the "How to Report Bugs Effectively" essay by the PuTTY developer. It's so true! :)
[Xposed General] hackel:
I just wanted to say how incredibly awesome it is that you're already working on Xposed with this early preview version of Android L. I for one am very happy with my current 4.4.4+Xposed setup, and would rather stick with that than use a newer Android release without Xposed. It's a truly great piece of software that I have come to depend on. Keep up the good work and ignore those who would try to pressure you. We can wait!
[Xposed General] PedroM.CostaAndrade:
Thanks for the answer :D it's what imagined and I understand, I just wanted to make sure that i was right xD

You have done a really great job, and you and all of the good developers of XDA are our heroes!!! Take a beer you deserve it! [emoji106]
[Xposed General] EvanVanVan:
Any chance of a sticky and close on this thread? I was fortunate to find it quickly enough on the second page but I was checking the General and FAQ threads first for this exact info. I'm sure a lot of people are coming to see it.
[Xposed General] rovo89:
Thanks for the hint. I have extended the FAQ item about ART with a link to this thread.
[Xposed General] astmacca:
I use Xposed on stock GPE 4.4.4. Its great, and for my use actually better than some of the more customised ROM's. I find i dont actually want a lot of customisation, just a few things that Xposed with a couple of modules does well.

From what i am reading at the moment, ART wont be a really viable alternative until the release of Android L. Hopefully the GPE ROMs will be early releases. :)

So, i would think that if you choose to continue Xposed releases (if you dont the sobbing from XDA will keep you awake nights!!) then developing for Android L which NEEDS to be ART compatible, and forgetting a version for KK which can use Dalvik anyway is the way to go.

Many thanks for all you efforts.
[Xposed General] resadent:
Hi [MENTION=4419114]rovo89[/MENTION] I have a quick petition for you. Please release your art KitKat "alpha" of xposed so somebody interested can complete it. I think that is pretty fair and it shouldn't take you too much time. Please consider it.
[Xposed General] rovo89:
You mean the source code, so interested developers can compile it themselves? I'm indeed thinking about publishing some work-in-progress code because I'm getting more and more frustrated with L (currently uninstalled it again, I need my phone). Not yet though, I would at least like to get L booting with it (if necessary with permissive SELinux). *If* I ever support ART on KitKat, then I wouldn't want to maintain two totally different codebases.
[Xposed General] resadent:
Thanks for your answher, that's mostly what I meant. I read in the last page you had a prototype running in kitkat+art, so I thought you could publish that work in order for other devs to have the possibility to keep working on it if you don't want to for whatever the reason or even help you with the code. Also, it would be good for any user who wants to use it even if he knows it may fail here or there as you say.
[Xposed General] tonyp:
Never underesimate the stupidity of the users ;)

They will install it, run into all kinds of issues and then come complaining and whining at xda.

This will just cause issues, so I don't think it should be released in any way to endusers.

But I do think the release of the source code is a good idea when it comes with the request kindly not to share any compiled versions.

Each developer who could seriously help working in that complex field (which aren't too many I suppose) won't have a problem compiling it, so it might help in speeding up the development or producing new ideas.
[Xposed General] yanleites:
May be the stupidity is on your side! I don't have a problem to flash 98% done xposed on my KitKat and give feedbacks to the developer.

I am sure that there are many users like me who will agree to do it, don't forget that hundreds of users still using Dalvik because of xposed!

Some module won't work or other small bug isn't a reason not to use it.

So, if you think you are so smart-you are wrong!
[Xposed General] tonyp:
Don't get me wrong, as soon as it's in a functional beta state I'm with you there, but what rovo had wasn't even close to an alpha stage afaik. At that point users feedback is hardly ever useful for developers as it's quite obvious what's working and what isn't. Here you need useful logs and no general feedback (and usually you're testing a new version every other minute, so it doesn't really make sense to make testing releases and wait for feedback).

Please don't read my post as offense, the fact that you're actually reading here means you're not in the scope of "users" I was referring to.

It's sad, but unfortunately xda(-developers) usually isn't the best place to do and discuss actual development. There are loads of people who fail to read instructions, the OP or a couple pages back before posting, which results in lots of redundant bug reports of well known problems.

The situation has improved in the last years and the staff is doing a great job at keeping it within boundaries, but still loads of development threads (see e.g. the N5 section) are getting spammed with stupid and redundant posts.
[Xposed General] yanleites:
Ok, First of all there are always be "stupid and redundant posts", because when I see "franco kernel" thread for N4 - it's thouthends of pages, not many people will search inside to find simple answer to question like "how to flash", it's much easier to ask again and get an answer in 5 minutes.

About Rovo, I think if it works on his phone, there is no reason not to let other users WHO WANT to use the new Xposed version, again, few modules less didn't kill anyone, so f I use 5 instead of 10 modules - it's OK by me.

I tried to change to ART (ofcourse disabled Xposed), but I had to install 6 other apps instead to make phone look/work as with Xposed, I think it's not worth it, but ART working better... After 1 day I changed to Dalvik and Xposed.

In coclusion, I prefer almost ready Xposed + ART then Dalvik with 100% working Xposed.
[Xposed General] kingvortex:
LOL. Translated - "Give it me now! It's not fair that rovo is keeping it to himself!" No offence, but that is how your posts are coming across. There's also no need to be insulting to someone that has contributed many things to the users of this site.

The reasons for not releasing the experimental version in a precompiled easily installable state were explained clearly by tonyp. The Xposed framework is a hugely complicated project to begin with and the fact that rovo has a test version does not mean that it's anywhere near ready for end users to install on their devices. If it didn't work properly, there would be many, many people with unusable devices flooding this section complaining that rovo broke their phone. Even if the experimental framework itself worked perfectly on the multitude of devices people have, it may break some modules, which would cause complaints and headaches for the module developers, because most people wouldn't mention they were using the test version.

As for it only being released to people that agree that it may not work. What normally happens here is that people that just want the latest version apply, then disappear without ever providing any feedback apart from complaints that "It doesn't work", with no useful logs etc provided.

The source being made available is the correct way to go here. It ensures, in the most part, that only people that have knowledge and understanding of the risks involved and are able to collaborate properly with development are able to install the experimental version. Not impatient people that just can't wait to make their phone cool and don't read or search threads before modifying their expensive device.
[Xposed General] Bronto9:
Why don't you keep L as a secondary rom(with MultiROM)? By doing so you can test xposed on L, and then switch to kitkat when you need your phone.
[Xposed General] DaringDomino3s:
[MENTION=4419114]rovo89[/MENTION]

I agree with [MENTION=3605868]tonyp[/MENTION] that sharing uncompiled code source for other development is a good idea, actually quite clever (fends off the hungry trolls - "if you give a mouse a cookie..." well same goes for some users, except its a much longer book and has the same characters saying saying similar or identical things only pages apart.

A benefit of this is that you may be able to find peoole willing to act as maintainers after a working compilation is created for the kk ART.

kind of like a port-friendly version for the devices that don't get developed officially or not past 4.4.

This would benefit in more than one way, users of devices that will not see development development past kitkat, while freeing you from too much overload if you were to covrer dalvik, kk ART AND the hopefully final runtime in the next official release.

I actually never knew L's runtime differed from the ART on KitKat, i thought kk's runtime was experimental in that they wanted to prepare developers for its future implenentation, rather than it was in experimental form its self (even though i read the cautionary explanation when switching to it in dev options) are there differences in dalvik runtimes between builds, as well?

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Seems a little too easy to me...

from what I've read and experienced, nothing is ever easy when it comes to debasing, not even testing...plus multirom is another variable that isn't necessarily stable and "L" can be a pain in the arse as a secondary rom with 4.4.4, as the user data can conflict with 4.4 when using L.
[Xposed General] rovo89:
Check the list of latest commits: https://android.googlesource.com/platform/art/+log/master

I didn't bother to count them, but there have been hundreds (if not thousands) of commits since KitKat. Each of them could break the hacks done by Xposed to inject code. Some of them actually do. Even since the release of the L preview, there have been lots of commits, e.g. the compacting garbage collector which might need to be considered.

Dalvik was more mature and stable. And it was mainly functional programming, whereas ART is highly object-oriented. As there is no stable "API" for accessing the internals, that's much harder to work with than Dalvik.
[Xposed General] DaringDomino3s:
[MENTION=4419114]rovo89[/MENTION] how are these commits https://android.googlesource.com/platform/dalvik/+log/master different from those you linked me to? There are many of them as well in dalvik, are these commits that do not interfere with your 'hacks'?

That was simply a question for my personal understanding. No point being made, for the record.

I admit I don't know too much about the actual workings of Xposed framework, but I understand thst the active nature of art in its own way would require a more complex set of hacks.

My suggestion was merely to pass the buck on to others for this current experimental kk art after a more formal version of art is emploed. It appears to not be that simple...I mean due to ARTs nature, I assume. I still see dalvik references in L, though, which is confusing to me.

An uninformed wish is that either the new runtime will be cleaned up enough so that a solution comes to you or that someone will just hack the new release to allow dalvik runtime instead. >magic!<

Was Xposed originally difficult to come up with for dalvik?
[Xposed General] jukiewalsh:
[MENTION=4419114]rovo89[/MENTION] just want to say thanks for all the work you do. People let's not complain about it not being "fair" that he hasn't released a version yet. It's his framework, he'll release it when he's good and ready. People are either going to be complaining that it's not available or they're going to be complaining about it not working if an unfinished product is released. I guess asking for unfinished source would be a reasonable inquiry but only for real devs who want to learn (not me by far, I wish I had skills haha) but rovo don't be guilt tripped into releasing some bs, just ignore it and let the trolls continue to ask for eta's on a daily basis all the way leading up to release even though their question's already been answered.
[Xposed General] Massi-X:
[MENTION=4419114]rovo89[/MENTION] could you add an option for make coffee?

I asked this for year but you never hear me.Thanks!

PS.Ahahh in every case thanks for your work this is only for relaxing :P
[Xposed General] rovo89:
If you check the bottom of the first page, you will see that it shows changes of 6 months for Dalvik. For ART, it's 5 days. That's quite a big difference in the pure amount of changes.

Apart from that, Dalvik is used by pretty much every Android phone out there (except for a few developers). You think twice before making big change to such a widely used software, and they shouldn't be necessary for stable software. For ART, it's the other way around: It's not used widely yet, so it's less risky to make changes. It will be used widely, so it's a good opportunity to make them now. And ART isn't finished yet (e.g. the compacting garbage collector wasn't in the L preview), so these changes are also necessary.
[Xposed General] toggly:
[MENTION=4419114]rovo89[/MENTION], excellent work on Xposed - it is by far one of the best! Are you or will you be looking for users to help test Xposed on Android L?
[Xposed General] boltthrower56:
Should we revive this thread ? I mean i would gladly donate at least 20 bucks for this.
[Xposed General] GermainZ:
I'm actually going to close it. Please see this post for more info, as well as the FAQ. Thanks. :)

I've also created and stuck a redirect thread which takes you to the relevant FAQ entry: "Does Xposed run on ART / Android 5.0 / Android L / Lollipop yet?".