yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] USFguy:
You can find my thread from a little over a month ago in this section but I experienced a similar thing and well it's fatal I bought a battery and tried that but it didn't help, it's currently in the hands of datarecovery.com who are looking at it before giving me a quote to get everything off of it. I don't want to give you false hope but odds are it's toast and it seems like something that's happening more often with the XL now that it's closing in on 2 years for most people.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] marknoll:
I read that it could because faulty power button.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] mudcat242000:
I tried this and unfortunately it didn't work.

I also doubt it is a power button issue because when i plug it into my PC and hold the power button it makes the usb connected noise.

I think it's safe to say that I have a new paperweight. I would just like to know if there's any guess that could be made as to why my phone died (ex: battery, motherboard, etc.) and how the PC detects it if its supposedly dead.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] Heisenberg:
Your phone is possibly not completely dead, you might be able to get a jtag repair done on it. It's definitely worth a try, especially seeing that you still get the connection sound when you hook it up to your PC.

Sent from my Evita
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] nem1yan:
Why is it that no one here ever suggests sending the phone to HTC? My phone bricked once (QHSUSB_DLOAD); I contacted HTC and told them my phone shut off and wouldn't come back on, which was the honest truth and seems to be your problem, and they fixed it for free (I had to pay for shipping.) Other users here have reported similar outcomes from contacting HTC, all with unlocked bootloaders. Before shelling out for JTAG I'd definitely recommend contacting HTC.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] Heisenberg:
HTC routinely charge $200 for a motherboard replacement on devices that have been modified. Plus, the vast majority of Evitas are out of their warranty period now.

Sent from my Evita
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] nem1yan:
http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=2071358&highlight=wip

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1651149

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=2319085

Call and ask first. As with others and myself, HTC has fixed devices that were outside of the warranty (both due to time and unlocked bootloader) at no cost to the owners. At worst they'll tell you it's outside of the warranty, or you'll have spent $5 in shipping for them to tell you that they can either send it back to you, or replace it for the ~$200 timmaaa has suggested.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] Heisenberg:
It's definitely worth a try.

Sent from my Evita
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] USFguy:
I called last month and it was min $90 and nothing would be backed up all data would be wiped.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] marknoll:
[MENTION=701906]mud[/MENTION]cat. If you have HTC repair it ,could you ask the RMA team what exactly what your issue was, and then post here their answer? We would appreciate it.

Thanks
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] mudcat242000:
I will definitely do that for you.

Thank you to everyone for all the help. I will contact HTC and see what they can do for me and keep you all posted.
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] mudcat242000:
Is there a specific HTC repair website that I go to or do I just call their number?
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] marknoll:
HTC.com
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] USFguy:
Very interested to hear what they say, please update when possible
[AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL] USFguy:
Any update?
[Galaxy Note 10.1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] jimmygzzmtz:
Anybody tried to flash the 4.4.2 update that just came out for n8010 on n8013. I was wondering what would be the consequences on flashing it on Odin over waiting for an appropriate one for the n8013, which could take months (sighh Samsung). Any one took the risk?

For the ones who don't know, n8010 is an international Wi-Fi only variant, while n8013 has the exact same hardware and is Wi-Fi only as well, but for some strange reason is USA specific.
[Galaxy Note 10.1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] leppermesiah:
Yes, i did flash my N8013 yesterday. I could not do this through ODIN on a PC because it was giving me an error, so i had to do it with Mobile ODIN and it worked. But the big problem now is that the WiFi does not want to turn ON for some reason. Also tried to Reset the device from the OS and still no WiFi. I'll try later to clean the cache and do proper factory reset to see if this will help and will let you know. If anyone know how to fix this please let me know.
[Galaxy Note 10.1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] erica_renee:
what rom did you flash from .

were you on the n8000 leak or stock firmware. Or did you flash that at anytime?

Do you know if you have the Knox boot loader . Check download mode and see what it says your device is . n8000 n8010 n80xx ..

Or were you on Stock 8013 rom and boot loader .?
[Galaxy Note 10.1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] leppermesiah:
My device is N8013 and was with the stock N8013 4.1.2 firmware. I've tried before to flash it with the first leak of N8000 4.4.2 but i got the same issues with the WiFi. I'm not sure about the bootloader. How can i see if its a new version or old one? I suspect something messed up the PIT file during the flash with leaked N8000 but im not sure. I tried to find official N8010 pit file to fix the partition if its bad, but couldnt find any.

And the interesting thing is that since i flashed with N8000 now i cant use PC Odin. It giving me error no matter what firmware i use.
[Galaxy Note 10.1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] leppermesiah:
I've found a solution with the WiFi problem in this thread:

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?p=53090185

And it's working just fine following this guide :victory:
[LG Optimus G (International)] DracoPiece:
How to flash Slink Rom and other 4.4 kitkat roms on your 4.1.2 jellybean Optimus G

1. First back-up your efs

2. Flash your KitKat stock rom (example you have a F180k, flash F180k_30b)

3. Do a Factory Reset

4. Root

5. Install custom recovery (Use Freegee and choose CWM)

6. Flash Sling Rom

7. Flash Sling patch for your F180 device

8. Flash SuperSu

9. Reboot

10. Enjoy

Hope it Helps just hit thanks button :D
[LG Optimus G (International)] hasan4791:
Why so many unnecessary threads regarding Kk..... So many guides already flooded all over here..... I appreciate that yu want to help users but pls show tat interest in other things.....

PS: MEMBERS PLEASE DON'T SPAM THREAD WITH DUPLICATE TOPICS. IT'LL BE INFORMED TO MODERATORS FOR ACTION.

Sent from my LG-E975 powering Stock 4.1.2
[LG Optimus G (International)] kt-Froggy:
I bet that steps 1, 2 and 4 would prompt a lot of "how to?" questions, no matter how many times it has been explained in other threads... :) Anyway, just a couple of clarifications:

7. Yes, only needed for F180 devices. For E9xx, flashing the ROM (basically, just a /system image) is enough. Also, you may want to "tweak" the patch if you don't want to mess with your BL, modem or recovery (like me). Just remove components you don't want to flash, and adjust the updater script accordingly. If you flash the patch as is, you'll end up with a locked BL and a modem that may not work for you, and you might need to flash another modem and restore EFS (backed up in step 1) - there are more than enough examples of lost signal in pretty much every relevant thread...

8. Not sure about other ROMs, but definitely not required for Sling and VDT (doesn't hurt, but not needed).
[LG Optimus G (International)] nlooooo:
Everybody wants to be important, and most of the time just becomes annoying...
[LG Optimus G (International)] DracoPiece:
i dont want to be important. i just want to share some guide. please just report this post if this offends you or annoy you so this thread can be removed.
[LG Optimus G (International)] Tijmen:
There already are guides on this subject, to keep the discussion clear and organized this thread is closed.
[Sony Xperia T, TL, TX, V] updateing:
I noticed that no one posted such thing here so I decided to make this post. I ported this myself and if you want to include this in your ROM, please mention me in your credits list. No PM required. Thanks!

The original file was taken from Z2 system dump. Not so smooth, may be due to our phone's low hardware spec...

Tested only on OmniROM 4.4 for TX. Not sure if it works on other ROMs

ADD: If you encounter FC on stock 4.3, try this tip provided by Rizal Lovins: http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=53943578&postcount=18

Or you can try removing all previous versions (/data and /system) and put this APK in /system/app, chmod 644 (rw--r--r--) .

Screenshot:

(Modding this thing is pretty easy so nothing more to say :) )
[Sony Xperia T, TL, TX, V] Leo:
xiexie~:victory:
[Sony Xperia T, TL, TX, V] ahmadfaiz:
So i downloaded it..installed it..but it's fc.. :'(
[Sony Xperia T, TL, TX, V] Ainster:
same for me allways fc :confused:
[Sony Xperia T, TL, TX, V] updateing:
Well I tested this on OmniROM 4.4. There is no FC and it works as expected. Maybe it demands some special Android version(4.3+)?

EDIT: Only usable for 4.1(stock) and 4.4(all 3rd-party ROMs). I'm trying to get this working on stock 4.3. You can try putting this file in /system/app (this method works on my 4.3)
[Sony Xperia T, TL, TX, V] Ainster:
ohh im using full stock 4.3 with out root so i can't just put in to system :eek:
[Sony Xperia T, TL, TX, V] updateing:
Well, that's a pity...
[Sony Xperia T, TL, TX, V] Allen Hu:
Chinese :laugh:
[Sony Xperia T, TL, TX, V] Nic.Qy:
Working on my Xperia V Stock Rom rooted deodexed
[Sony Xperia T, TL, TX, V] superricky89:
Thank you so so soo much!

Working on xperia t .205 stock, rooted and with xposed!
[Sony Xperia T, TL, TX, V] gofix:
Workin on PureXT v4
[Sony Xperia T, TL, TX, V] superricky89:
Unfortunately not working on Xperia T, PureXT 4.4
[Sony Xperia T, TL, TX, V] updateing:
FC or runs without ribbons? Have you tried copying it to /system/app and chmod as OP says? (See #11)
[Sony Xperia T, TL, TX, V] superricky89:
Thank you for the answer! Copied to system/app and changed permissions and then I also wiped cache and dalvik...

But can't see the ribbons!

It's very strange because as I wrote some days ago, on stock 4.3 and xposed all was perfect! :(
[Sony Xperia T, TL, TX, V] updateing:
If the custom ROM has the unmodified version of this live wallpaper built-in, it may replace this modded one. You can try removing this xperia_wallpaper.apk from your device(/data/app and /system/app) and then reboot. After that, use System Tuner Pro or something similar to find and uninstall the built-in one. Then you can put this into /system/app and have a try.
[Sony Xperia T, TL, TX, V] superricky89:
You are fantastic!

I was only searching in system/app and I never thought about data/app!

After uninstalling and deleting all the apks, I wiped cache and dalvik and then the live wallpaper with waves appeared!

A huge thank you!

It's really gorgeous! :)
[Sony Xperia T, TL, TX, V] HelixDNA:
xiexie
[Sony Xperia T, TL, TX, V] Rizal Lovins:
[MENTION=4812336]updateing[/MENTION] Great work buddy :good:

Okay just want to tell people that this Live Wallpaper is using Google Signer, so you need to patch services.jar (disable checking signature/Super User Mod) for Stock Firmware, so Live Wallpaper can work without any problem ( and use Latest Xperia Home for smoothness Live Wallpaper)

If still doesn't work edit the build.prop

search this

dalvik.vm.dexopt-flags=m=y

Change to

dalvik.vm.dexopt-flags=v=n,o=v,m=y

and for non stock, there is no need for this it will work perfect like OP said ;)
[Sony Xperia T, TL, TX, V] updateing:
Thanks for the tip! I'll add this to OP :)
[Sony Xperia T, TL, TX, V] TodorSRB:
Is there a way for this to work on non-rooted Xperia V?
[Sony Xperia T, TL, TX, V] WhiteNeo:
Sure.

Decompile the apk,

open Android-Manifest.xml,

change the package name to whatever you like (just not com.sonyericsson.experienceflow2),

recompile, sign.

Done. :good:

Its a matter of five minutes :)
[Sony Xperia T, TL, TX, V] solkas:
z3 live wallpaper and theme

Nice work ! But can you make the new version and the themes from Z3 work also . ( ribbons are not showing when installed ). or maybe a tutorial on how it could be done.
[Sony Xperia T, TL, TX, V] updateing:
It's harder this time, and I'm running out of ideas...
[Sony Xperia T, TL, TX, V] WhiteNeo:
Guess we need the graphic drivers from 4.1 kernel.

EDIT: Did some research. :D

In kernel/drivers/gpu/msm directory you'll find the kgsl driver files.

Most likely those are responsible for most of the graphical glitches on 4.3 - including the issues with Experience Flow LWP.

If we find a way to update them, we could not only make Z3 live wallpaper work, but also get rid of the blue flickering bug. :)
[Sony Xperia T, TL, TX, V] sani007:
Request For Z3 Live wallpaper Ver 2

Hello sir,

i have downloaded the new sony xperia z3 live wallpaper. But it has the same issue of only colors but no flows. Your uploaded z2 live wallpaper is worked for me. If you could please it is very humble request to you to upload the same as z3 flow live wallpaper with flow ribbons which is working for jb 4.3 xperia t. The same as the z2 live wallpaper. I know you could do that.
[Sony Xperia T, TL, TX, V] updateing:
Sorry for the late reply.

I tried porting Z3 LWP but it's not the same as before. Haven't figured out any solution yet..
[Galaxy Grand 2 Original Android Development] shabbypenguin:
Clockworkmod recovery for your Samsung Galaxy Grand 2 (SM-G7102)

Download:

CWM-Beta

https://mega.co.nz/#!dUA2EDhK!98vjETqDr2h4eoi0g-cuAbmS9cLTfqJVfwp6sYXv63s

CWM for NG4 (4.4)

https://mega.co.nz/#!UR5j1AAQ!RHCy_MudMz48TJ3S1-jkfVQgeUDUBr-Io-sIBhG5EOc ----- Mirror

Odin

http://shabbypenguin.com/?developer=Tools

1) Install whatever drivers make you happy and make your device connect (i would suggest samsung ones).

2) Reboot your device in download mode you can use adb reboot download or the hardware key combo for your device.

3) Load up Odin and uncheck auto-reboot.

4) Click PDA and select the CWM tar you downloaded.

5) Connect your device in download mode.

6) Click start.

7) When its finished disconnect your device, pull the battery out.

8) Reinsert the battery and use the hardware keys for your device to power directly into recovery mode (this will bypass install-recovery.sh if you are stock).

9) Enjoy having a custom recovery.

To root simply grab this zip file http://download.chainfire.eu/supersu copy it to your device and flash it in recovery. Reboto and load up supersu, have it disable knox then reboot into recovery and reflash supersu and youll be rooted. :)

if you like my work and wish to donate you can do so here

Special thanks to those who donate:

b0rni67

Thanks to balliboxer for testing

Source: https://github.com/OUDhs/android_device_samsung_ms013g

XDA:DevDB Information

Unofficial-CWM-6.0.4.9, Kernel for the Samsung Galaxy Grand 2

Contributors

shabbypenguin

Kernel Special Features:

Version Information

Status: Beta

Current Beta Version: Final

Beta Release Date: 2014-06-25

Created 2014-06-25

Last Updated 2014-07-21
[Galaxy Grand 2 Original Android Development] RVR:
do u think this line can solve the issue ?

/dev/block/mmcblk1p1 /sdcard vfat nosuid,nodev,barrier=1,data=ordered,nodelalloc wait
[Galaxy Grand 2 Original Android Development] ##W4TCH0UT##:
That's all right.. I have the partition file from grand 2.. And it is proper..
[Galaxy Grand 2 Original Android Development] keshavt:
It doesnt have the option to flash from sdcard? [MENTION=2614663]shabbypenguin[/MENTION] [MENTION=4924398]rutvikrvr[/MENTION]
[Galaxy Grand 2 Original Android Development] RVR:
From external SD card .. No ... As of now ... He will fix it soon
[Galaxy Grand 2 Original Android Development] techmate98:
thanks a lot brother.....
[Galaxy Grand 2 Original Android Development] aapav01:
/devices/msm_sdcc.2/mmc_host/mmc1/ /external_sd vfat default voldmanaged=sdcard:auto

[MENTION=2614663]shabbypenguin[/MENTION] bro can u add this line for external sd card i think this may work i'm 90% sure

Because i have galaxy tab 2 in which the location ext-sdcard is in /storage/extsdcard but in recovery it is set as /external_sd
[Galaxy Grand 2 Original Android Development] shabbypenguin:
Based off your previous information that turned out to be a lie im not exactly too eager to reboot my computer back to linux to restart and make a new image for this.

https://github.com/OUDhs/android_device_samsung_ms013g/blob/cm-11.0/rootdir/etc/fstab.qcom#L16 edit that line, compile recovery for anyone that cares enough. if i get a good lead on how to fix it or decide i want to try bashing my brains in again with more testing then ill compile some more, but at this time the answer is no :P.
[Galaxy Grand 2 Original Android Development] aapav01:
I'm sorry , i was just trying to help and /device partition is not visible or access able when device is booted :(

and balibaoxer have check the this line

adb shell "ls -l /dev/block/platform/msm_sdcc.2/mmc_host"
adb shell "ls -l /dev/block/platform/msm_sdcc.2/mmc_host/mmc1"

and i said

/devices/msm_sdcc.2/mmc_host/mmc1/ /storage/extSdCard vfat defaults voldmanaged=sdcard:auto

but

I am Sorry

CWM recovery Recognizes External SdCard at mount point /external_sd

/devices/msm_sdcc.2/mmc_host/mmc1 /external_sd vfat defaults voldmanaged=sdcard:auto

in i was not telling any lies see the file in attachment >>>> that is file from stock recovery plz do see it
[Galaxy Grand 2 Original Android Development] jdrieper:
I made a backup and it appears within the CWM but I can not find it even with Root Browser, in "/ sdcard / clockworkmod / backup" ... The space was used but not sdcard files against BKP ...

Edit...

I found the backup in: "mnt/shell/emulated/clockworkmod/backup" but in CWM is displayed as "/sdcard/clockworkmod/backup"...
[Galaxy Grand 2 Original Android Development] shabbypenguin:
Added touch

Should fix the whole backups not put where they should go (needs testing)

and i used your exact line [MENTION=5067245]aapav01[/MENTION]

https://mega.co.nz/#!lYQkFCyT!tVGuwAnwME71sPDwjmBs733vOfwI3D3HFhttwKVi4JA
[Galaxy Grand 2 Original Android Development] aapav01:
I sorry Bro. .. this time external sdcard show but it was not mount ing

I:Checking for extendedcommand...
I:Skipping execution of extendedcommand, file not found...
I:Cannot load volume /misc.
E:touch_calibrate: EVIOCGABS failed
I:Cannot load volume /misc.
I:Volume /external_sd is not idle, current state is 0
E:Can't mount sdcard
I:Cannot load volume /misc.
I:Volume /external_sd is not idle, current state is 0
E:Can't mount /external_sd
I:Cannot load volume /misc.
I:Can't partition non-vfat: /external_sd (vfat)
I:using /data/media/0 for /sdcard.
[Galaxy Grand 2 Original Android Development] shabbypenguin:
https://mega.co.nz/#!EJpwwISI!Siwz6J9pknhnoIzJgAIGDd-qlLJ_KxVZhXaNjWuNqHw

is touch working?
[Galaxy Grand 2 Original Android Development] aapav01:
Yeah it started working

I:Checking for extendedcommand...
I:Skipping execution of extendedcommand, file not found...
I:Cannot load volume /misc.
I:Volume /external_sd is not idle, current state is 0
E:Can't mount /external_sd
I:Cannot load volume /misc.
I:Can't partition non mmcblk device: /devices/msm_sdcc.2/mmc_host/mmc1
I:Cannot load volume /misc.
I:Can't partition non mmcblk device: /devices/msm_sdcc.2/mmc_host/mmc1
I:using /data/media/0 for /sdcard.

JUST say like this like this only at the end of mmc1 add / may work just say like ...
[Galaxy Grand 2 Original Android Development] shabbypenguin:
https://mega.co.nz/#!MU4XFQhC!iBSbbzonpVVZb9SEdSjxznj_Jic715ozg2HTAOmLIrk
[Galaxy Grand 2 Original Android Development] vipulm15:
Shabby bro have u tried to do folder mount.?
[Galaxy Grand 2 Original Android Development] shabbypenguin:
i have no idea what you mean.
[Galaxy Grand 2 Original Android Development] Ahmed:
CWM recovery is here at last. Can we expect a full-featured custom rom soon? Something close to CM?
[Galaxy Grand 2 Original Android Development] aapav01:
I:Checking for extendedcommand...
I:Skipping execution of extendedcommand, file not found...
I:Cannot load volume /misc.
E:touch_calibrate: EVIOCGABS failed
I:Volume /external_sd is not idle, current state is 0
E:Can't mount /external_sd
I:Cannot load volume /misc.
I:using /data/media/0 for /sdcard.

:( ?
[Galaxy Grand 2 Original Android Development] shabbypenguin:
can someone pm me the /system/etc folder? just copy it and zip it up and send it to me please :)
[Galaxy Grand 2 Original Android Development] mfaisal98:
If you need a working CWM recovery then see post #26 of this thread. It has a link to a CWM recovery for 4.3. This recovery can backup to and restore backup from "External SD Card" also. I my self tried CWM unofficial recovery and Philz recovery and twrp, all of these gave me a blinking screen and a reboot to system.
[Galaxy Grand 2 Original Android Development] xubairsarwar:
I flashed the recovery successfully mentioned in the post #26 but now I am facing another problem each time I click on reboot system now in cwm it shows root access possibly lost fix it yes/no...everytime I clicked on yes but stil the problem is dere...what is the possible solution for it...I intially rooted my device using towelroot and installed supersu from playstore and everything worked fine...

P.S I am using Supersu v 2.01

EDIT:- As mentioned in one the post I also flashed this zip

http://download.clockworkmod.com/superuser/superuser.zip and removed supersu v 2.01 but it didnt fix the problem

UPDATE:- Finally found that it was due to supersu v2.01.Uninstalling it and flashing the zip of supersu v 1.55 solved the problem...?
[Galaxy Grand 2 Original Android Development] matracapx:
Works on SM-G7102T (brazilian version)?
[Galaxy Grand 2 Original Android Development] WaseemAlkurdi:
Did anyone here attempt to port CWM to the SM-G7105 and failed in so?

Just curious, because I want to do that. No need to waste the time if others failed.
[Galaxy Grand 2 Original Android Development] monnaliza:
Bought my phone in Burma/Myanmar... having trouble loading recovery, tried both CWM-6.0.4.9-ms103g-Beta.tar and CWM-Touch-6.0.5.0-NG4-ms013g.tar.

Model: SM-G7102

Android: 4.4.2

Baseband: G7102DXUBNH1

Kernal: 3.4.0-3174120

Build: KOT49H.G7102XWUBNK1

Any suggestions appreciated.
[Galaxy Grand 2 Original Android Development] matracapx:
Worked perfectly in SM-G7102T with JB 4.3 :) Thanks !!! :good::good:
[Galaxy Grand 2 Original Android Development] Brdas:
Whether I will work for me?

SM-G7012

4.4.2

G7102DXUBNH1

Kernel

3.4.0-3174120

Build number

KOT49H.G7102XWUBNK1

Thanks !
[Galaxy Grand 2 Original Android Development] DgnrtnX:
Ah do you have official cwm for sm-g7102

Thanks

---------- Post added at 01:04 PM ---------- Previous post was at 12:37 PM ----------

Do you have link for cwm i had tried and also get it but have fear that they are not verified

Thank you
[Galaxy Grand 2 Original Android Development] W3ND31:
Man, What are your baseband? The tv hd still works?
[Galaxy Grand 2 Original Android Development] MAXTakki:
i root the phone with this way but i cant install cm 12.1 say this package is for device ms013g,ms01lte; this device is ms103g.

what shall i do
[Galaxy Grand 2 Original Android Development] spritualevil:
I need .img file because I want to flash cwm using flashify.
[Galaxy Grand 2 Original Android Development] neonkat:
Not possible for cwm,btw you get twrp.img and flash(download from xda or via flashify app)it is also stable and user friendly..i think flashify can also download cwm..(not sure)
[Galaxy Grand 2 Original Android Development] spritualevil:
There ain't any option to download cwm not for Grand 2 SM-G7102
[Galaxy Grand 2 Original Android Development] abbody:
thanks man it works :good:
[Galaxy Grand 2 Original Android Development] dhananjay123:
..

---------- Post added at 09:50 AM ---------- Previous post was at 09:45 AM ----------

Will this work in 4.3 ?