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[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] Sleuth255:
I actually used notepad on my pc. it shows:

24#:MSVOICE

I generally use gsfinder+ to view shortcuts on my PPC but ":" shortcuts show as "invalid shortcut" there IIRC

edit:

you are right! While gsfinder+ does say "invalid shortcut", it also shows hotvoice.exe in the location field. hmmm there must be a way for ordinary programs (like mine) to translate ":" shortcuts then!

now to just figure out how....
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] Sleuth255:
v1.02 released. See page 1 for details. No progress on hotvoice.exe handling yet however.
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] chymmylt:
I'm just currious if you had any luck/progress with button 6 (video call) - even though video call doesn't work in the US I do actually ocasionally use it in Europe but more important would be the extra button :) But reading through, you said you weren't going to touch it till the new HTC rom comes out - is this still current? No pressure - just curious :) anyways, let me just pay homage to all your hard work - it is appreciated - especially since I'm way to dumb to figure it out on my own! ;)

Thanks again!
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] Sleuth255:
Sorry, no major plans to work on the VC button... This could change if I get shot overseas tho....
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] strikeIII:
for some reason i get an invalid file from the link...

nvrmnd...got it to work....
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] ozziegn:
okay, I just bought my Cingular 8525 and I tried to get the PTT working like the OP's instructions say but I cant get it to work. the PTT start file is in the startup folder but I dont get anything.

would someone be willing to help me out here?
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] Sleuth255:
@ozziegn:

First off, did you reset your 8525 after installing the CAB?

If yes, then by using start->personal settings->buttons, do you see button 5?

If yes, then try changing the button 5 press value to <start menu>. Does pressing button 5 launch start?

assuming you have done all this and still no joy:

You will need to install dotfred's free taskmanager to debug. Go ahead and do this (it can be found in the development and hacking forum). Remember that taskmgr.exe in his zip file is not a PC install file; rather it is the ppc exe itself so you will need to copy it to a folder on your 8525 then tap to execute.

Now fire up taskmgr and select services. Is the PTT service started? What's the name of the dll associated with the PTT service?
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] TheCritic:
Very cool!

Sleuth thanks, this works great on my 8525! I'm using it in conjunctin with this:

http://www.vijay555.com/index.php?Releases:VJCandela so when I press and hold PTT the light comes on, when I press and hold again it goes off (would be cooler if the light was only on while I was holding in the button...)

Please post the easy how-to when you get the voice recorder function to work! I'm amazed, but there is actually a feature I miss from my Moto MPX220: quickly recording a voice note of something like where I parked.

Question: Is there any way for you to add press and hold entries to other buttons (and/or the scroll wheel) in the settings | buttons app?

Errata: I notice that the programs I run from button 5 come up in the recently used programs on the start menu, but the other buttons don't cause this.

THANK YOU AGAIN!
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] Sleuth255:
You're very welcome! :)

The recently used programs tag is an "undocumented feature" caused by the way I launch programs using shellexecute. I do this so the shell can handle shortcuts for me. Unfortunately, the shell doesn't handle the hotvoice shortcut correctly either. That's why tapping on the shortcut doesn't launch voice memo. The built in launcher for button functions is different though and it correctly figures out how to handle the hotvoice shortcut. Once I figure out how it does this I'll revert to a simpler CreateProcess command to launch programs and the recent programs list won't be updated any more.
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] BEM:
PTT Hack Remaps Keyboard?

Sleuth255,

Your PTT Hack (version 1.2) was the very first program I installed on my brand new Cingular 8525, and it worked superbly (Thank you! -- I would not have purchased the 8525 without a one-button activation for voice dialing/command).

But I've noticed that I have an anomaly with the slide-out keyboard. Certain left side symbol keys are incorrectly mapped. I have read posts about the keyboard mapping from which I infer that the US keyboard symbols are mapped differently from the UK keyboard symbols (and my errors appear to be the reverse of those reported for UK keyboard users). No one else seems to be reporting this problem on the Cingular forum. By chance, did you include a keyboard remap in version 1.2? If so, could you produce a version without the remap?

Thanks!
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] Sleuth255:
Nope, sorry, wasn't me. I don't mess with keyboard mappings.

That's an odd issue you're reporting BEM. Would you care to elaborate on it?
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] Jackald:
PTT Button

Thanx a gazillon!
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] Sleuth255:
tks Jackald, fortunately for everybody, austin_boy dropped the 1.34 ROM off early enough to give me time to develop this patch...

@pof: if you're monitoring this thread perhaps you may want to make it sticky for a few months until the 8525 buying spree begins to subside. It'll make it easier for new 8525 owners to find.
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] BEM:
Keyborad Mapping Errors

Sleuth255,

Sure -- thanks for your interest. Using the slideout keyboard, when I hit "~" on the keyboard I get "!" on the screen, when I hit ! I get @, when I hit @, I get ?, when I hit ; I get _, when I hit - I get ", when I hit - I get ', when I hit _ I get :, and when I hit ? I get -. I believe these are the only errors. This occurs in Word, Opera, and the other apps I've tested.

Cingular 8525

ROM 1.34.502.1

Radio 1.16.00.00
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] aadadams:
Did you install the Ext_ROM? If not you may need to. I had a similar problem when I ran the TyTN ROM with the TyTN Ext_ROM on my 8525. From early on, I remember there being a cab that changed some of the keyboard associated registry keys in the Cingular Ext_ROM. At any rate, installing/reinstalling the Cingular Ext_ROM will likely resolve your issues.
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] Sleuth255:
@BEM:

Don't know if you've seen this or not, but your kbd map issue fix is here
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] BEM:
Keyboard Mapping Fixed

Thanks for the help -- I did reinstall the Cingular Ext_ROM, and that seems to have resolved the problem (and quite a bit more). I guess I also should have wondered why I had to manually configure some things that should have worked out-of the-box...
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] Perknstein:
Notes Voice Record map to PTT?

Hey Sleuth! Great job on the PTT hack, works great.

I have a related question on the 8525 PTT button. I want to map it to the Notes application's record voice memo feature, but can't seem to find the "Record" choice in the button app list. This was available both on my Loox 720 and my Dell x51v and I thought it was a standard PPC feature. Why can't I find it on my 8525? Been feeling stupin on this one for a week now. Can you help?

Thanks for all your knowldge and advice in the forum!

Perksntein
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] Sleuth255:
What you see in this list is a combination of built-in features (choices enclosed within <> signs) and shortcuts found in the windows\start menu subfolders. Record is a strange one though since it actually refers to a ":" shortcut. There's a link to the record shortcut further up in this thread somewhere I believe. Place that in your windows\start menu\programs folder and you'll see it in your list of choices again.

However, the caveat is that you will be able to map the record feature to anything except button 5. The reason for this is that your hermes shell doesn't know how to execute the special ":" shortcut associated with the record feature (try tapping on the record icon in programs and you'll see that nothing will happen there either). However, the built in button launching code does know how to deal with it. My code uses ShellExecute so button 5 is left out of the fun. Oh well....
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] michaeleherman:
I tried to download this using IE7 and Windows won't open the zip file. It says it's corrupt.
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] URPREY:
It's a cab file. Copy it without unzipping to your PPC and run it on your phone to install it.
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] Perknstein:
The Record.lnk works great, thanks for the quick response. I am flexible about which button it is mapped to anyway. Excellent!

Gary
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] strikeIII:
i know this is a little off topic but how come there isn't a way to map the "ok" button between the Scroll Wheel and the PTT button...i seem to think that button is pretty useless...

BTW, i have a cingular 8525
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] Sleuth255:
When I was playing with button codes it seemed that hooking the regular OK button also hooked that one, so the two may be connected at the hip so to speak. I really didn't research it much tho...
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] strikeIII:
makes sense...one thing that is wierd though...i'm not sure if your familiar with Wisbar Advance 2 but when WA2 is executed it actually changes the state of the side OK button to make it open the start menu while the OK button on the front stays the same...this wasn't done intentionally but if it can change the state somehow then there has got to be a way to detach them from the hip...just FYI...cheers...
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] kevfer:
Text Messaging on 8525

Hi I apologize it this is in the wrong thread, but has anyone found a better way to text message in a Windows Mobile PDA?
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] ol2:
the zip file PTTFix v1.02.zip does not unzip....anyone else having that problem? Error says it's invalid.
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] Sleuth255:
Just tried to download & it worked ok for me. I'm using WinXP built in zip file support. Copied the cab file to my desktop w/no problems. Maybe bad download in your case?
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] michaeleherman:
Corrupt zip file?

I was using IE7 to download this and could not open the zip. I downloaded it again using Firefox and it opened fine.

Great patch btw.
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] ol2:
May be you can post the CAB file please? I still can't download the Zip. Thanks.
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] Sleuth255:
Sorry, the board won't allow direct cab file attachments any more :( I don't know why they changed this....

edit:

I just tried IE7 and it worked just fine for me. There is a caveat however: the download immediately showed 100% complete, however I had to wait a while before the close dialog button un-greyed. At that point, the download was actually complete.
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] jamesz:
All I can say is Thanks!

I was about to return the phone because of the big useless button on the side until I found your fix. I don't see how I'd ever use the PTT feature (if it ever comes out).

I am so glad that I no longer have to fumble to dial a number on the touch screen! Now that the button is fixed I can actually enjoy this device-- I use the voice dial with almost everyone I call!

It looks like Cingular's marketing people had the button applet broken in order to force sales of the PTT and voice dial services. My hope is that most of the people who buy this device are not that stupid.

I'm paying over $90/month on a two year contract. Since I'm still in my 30-days that would have been lost revenue to Cingular because the 8525 was going back if I hadn't found this fix.
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] Sleuth255:
Same here. I would expect that 90% of Hermes owners use at least one of that button's two press actions for Voice calling. I couldn't believe it when I found out what Cingular had done... Had they been thinking, Cingular would've just made PTT assignable to any button aka M$ voice command.

I expect that when they actually release PTT, that'll be my next patch...
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] Music Man:
I found these forums through this hack, which I installed today on my Cingular 8525 device. It works like a charm.

I would like to allow "push button 5 and hold" to become a command to record a new voice memo, which is part of the Notes application. This is something I miss from my old iPAQ 3850 that had a record button on the side, and I used it frequently to make notes to myself.

Do you know the application to dump the Cingular 8525 directly into the recording mode?

Thanks,

Music Man

P.S. My device information is:

ROM Version: 1.34.502.1

ROM date: 09/21/06

Radio version: 1.16.00.00

Protocol version: 32.53.7018.01H

CPU: Samsung 2442A / 400 MHz

Model No: HERM100

Windows Mobile version 5.0, OS 5.1.195 (Build 14955.2.3.0)
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] Sleuth255:
The solution is in this thread somewhere. It involves a special shortcut which is included. However, you won't be able to assign it to button 5 due to the way that I handle commands. For this same reason, tapping on the shortcut itself won't do anything either. Only the built-in button handler knows what to do with the shortcut so you'll be able to assign it to buttons 1-4 and it will work.

HTH!
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] Music Man:
Sorry about not checking the whole thread first.... I didn't realize it had 14 screens of replies at first :)

I got it working. Thanks!

MM
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] Dillsnik:
I'm sorry, but i could not understand how to make the Record function work...I got the option to show up for the button, but like your early attempts sleuth, i got no action from the assigned button.

Do i need to do something with the attached file from Pietrucci?

Thanks,

Dan
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] Music Man:
Button 5 won't work for the Record function. I used Button 3.
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] Dillsnik:
i did not use button 5, i used a different one, but the phone does nothing when i press it.
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] DeanFX:
Hi All, first post. Great forum.

Sleuth,

Is there any way to map button 5 to the Phone Settings (sounds) menu? I have searched and found something in the wiki, but I would like the factory menu. Cingular 8525.

Thanks!
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] wwwes:
vc1.5 behavior with button 5

first off, great patch! thanks for working on this.

I would like to map voice command to the ptt key, but since vc uses press and hold as cancell, this function doesn't work on button 5. I suspect that it won't work for the same reason that notes record won't work, but I thought I would ask anyway. Is there a way to make this work?

I noticed that windows media player and mapopolis navigator don't recognize the button. they don't recognise many of the other buttons either, which is annoying. water water everywhere....

I found that the dpad can be mapped as press and hold in all four directions in wmp, so I'm using those for my soft buttons there. if that isn't obvious to everyone else, maybe I should put it in the wiki. my old ppc6601 had tons of configurable buttons and I miss them.

thanks again,

wes
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] Sleuth255:
When I was running the Cingular ROM with my PTTFix, I mapped Microsoft Voice command to the hold function on button 5 without any issues. In fact, the way I recognize a button hold (keep pressing and the command fires automatically in 300ms) is better than the way that the standard button handler does it. Now that I'm on the TyTN ROM, its a bit tricky to get the hold function right b/c I have to release the button after the press only sense but before MVC thinks I'm doing a cancel. The only function you'll loose if you map MVC to button 5 hold is the hold cancel feature. It'll do this automatically anyway if you don't issue a command.
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] money1:
ptt for cingular 8525

Has anyone figured out how to use the ptt feature on the NEW cingular 8525..says its not available until 2007??
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] Sleuth255:
PTT isn't available yet for the Hermes because Cingular is still building out the PTT feature itself on the UMTS network. Planned completion is 1-2Q07 at which time they will release a PTT upgrade for the 8500 & other PTT capable 3G phones. What's interesting about this is the possibility of adding PTT functionality via this patch to 2G phones such as the wizard. Developing PTTfix gave me a good idea on how they will implement the PTT feature so reversing it for use other non 3G phones may be trivial. We will see.... if the patch doesn't include a new radio ROM then it'll be a piece of cake...
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] AndyMustapick:
Simple Voice Recorder

This is terrific!

Do you know of a way to have the PTT button start recording voice notes when pressed and stop recording voice notes when released?
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] AndyMustapick:
Ignore previous post please!

Sorry for the previous post.

A little more digging through the thread found that you have already answered this question in quite a bit of detail.

Thanks again!

Nice work!
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] smlmkr:
Trouble w/Express Mail

Hi Sleuth,

Love the PttFix. It seems that after installing it Cingular Xpress Mail no longer functions. ie doesn't push mail to my cell. Can you help? I've thought about reinstalling Xpress Mail.

Thanks
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] BNickO:
Thanks Sleuth. PTTFix and A2DPFix really made my new 8525 a great toy. Thanks again.
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] Sleuth255:
hmmm... I wouldn't think it was related. PTTFix is strictly event driven for a specific Cingular authored Window class. I wonder if they use "PTTServiceWndclass" for other purposes too. Based on the classname itself one wouldn't think so though....
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] emmett:
I tried to install the .cab file from my 8525 but I get "Installation of PTTFix.cab was unsuccessful". Ideas anyone?
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] Bosco:
Thank you, i just find it for a long time;)
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] sk0t:
Awesome hack Sleuth.. Thanks much!
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] lonniev:
Cingular/Handango/HTC/Microsoft should recruit you

Thank you for the PTTFix and the Voice Command Bluetooth patch. These work far better than the complete loss of functionality for Bluetooth-activated Voice Command (on my HTC 8525 with a Moto HS850).

Observation (Not Complaint!):

When announcing an appointment or when asking for clarification, the Handango voice sometimes shifts from the headset back to the HTC's speakerphone. (This is a really interesting "feature" since it suggests that the HTC code is dynamically monitoring its audio output and is electing for some reason to switch from one output device to another. As a device driver writer myself, I've not really attempted that level of High Availability before! ;-) )

I do hope Cingular, Handango, HTC, and Microsoft get us a proper fix soon: what a compelling feature to be broken!
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] smlmkr:
So Sorry,

I do believe I made a mistake in the settings of Xpress Mail. Once again Love the PTTfix
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] Sleuth255:
hmmm... out of device memory perhaps? Have you been playing with the development WidComm stack? I was amazed when I ran out the first time when playing with an early rev.

or.... trying to install to micro SD? Don't do this plz... results are "undefined" then ;)
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] Sleuth255:
@lonniev: sorry, I can't take credit for the excellent VC 1.6 patch. xcsdm, another Xda developer, did that one I believe.
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] emmett:
Thanks for replying! Well, I tried your suggestion anyway and it didn't work. This is a brand new Cingular 8525. I haven't done much with the registry. Is WidComm something that comes installed?
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] Sleuth255:
very strange emmett!

Here's the install process:

1. copy the cab file to your device using activesync explorer. Or, tap on the 1st post attachment cab from PIE and choose save, or email yourself same if you have email running.

2. now tap on the cab to install. A red warning dialog should be displayed stating that the cab isn't signed. Choose ok.

3. If you have an SD card, you will be asked whether you want to install to your device or to your storage card. The total memory needed will also be displayed. If you are given the option, choose device.

4. The app will install.

Now, please tell me precisely what you are seeing that might differ from the above and also where exactly the installation is failing. Hopefully we'll get this figured out!
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] computerguy:
also unsuccessfull

i'm getting the same unsucessful message on a new 8525 just received it 12/18
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] emmett:
I did exactly the instructions you have included. I've copied the file to my device (not SD). I only get to step 2. I tap on the cab file, it says "Installing PTTfix.cab ..." (a clear progress box appears). Then almost instantly it gives the error "Installation of PTTFix.cab was unsuccessful".

Anything I could try? I tried fit4cat Hermes Tweaker and selected "Allow non-certified applications". That didn't work.
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] Sleuth255:
very odd emmett! Why don't you check the following:

1. Is there a pttfix.dll in your windows dir?

2. Is there a registry entry HKLM/Services/PTT

3. Is there a pttstart.exe in windows/startup dir?

4. Perhaps a corrupted CAB file did you try to redownload?

If you answered yes to questions 2 & 4 but no to qeustions 1 & 3 (geez.... I feel like a tax form here) then load up dotFred's taskmanager and use it to stop the PTT service, and set it to manual. Now reset your 8525 and try to install again.
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] r111:
Thank you for this PTT button app! It has worked quite well on my new 8525 -- I have it mapped to MS Voice Command. I've noticed the last 2 days that sometimes when I press the PTT button nothing happens. I press it again and a few seconds later Voice Command kicks in, and then again. It's as if there is a 4-6 second latency between the time I press the button and the device responding. Any suggestions?
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] emmett:
That was it! I had a corrupted CAB file. I redownloaded it and voila! Workey! Thanks a bunch. I'll have hours of fun with this. I also got the taskmanager. Great stuff Sleuth255!
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] emmett:
However, now the list of recent programs contains only "Voice Speed Dial". Is this expected?
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] mikewchandler:
This works great. I also had problems loading on my brand new 8525. I redownloaded the .cab and ran it without problems. I had the best luck d/l'ing directly from the 8525 and running the .cab directly. Thanks :D