yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[Moto X General] gammite:
oh, i don't plan on buying it before i handle it. believe that.

and i really don't see a need to upgrade at this point.
[Moto X General] AndreaCristiano:
Yea that wouldn't happen you guys are the smallest of minority
[Moto X General] gammite:
i have been in the cellphone industry since close to the beginning and have seen first hand the evolution of the device. there was a point in time when making the smallest cellphone possible was all the rage. at some point they became too small to be useful and the manufacturers backed off of the "consumer studies" that indicated people wanted the smallest phone possible.

the same thing will happen with this large phone phase. i think it is ridiculous when i see people walking around with the equivalent of a note pad of paper on the side of their head. it looks comical. 'the masses' will soon tire of that as well and phones will once again become palm sized.

there is nothing new under the sun.
[Moto X General] AndreaCristiano:
I'm saying that the phones will probably end robin the 5-6 inch range and that's were it will stay
[Moto X General] ericizzy1:
No DE for verizon.... Too bad.

If i will be able to get the hotspot working on it without being a DE, i would get it
[Moto X General] trentonmc24:
I don't think so. Check out this poll http://www.androidcentral.com/did-motorola-go-too-big-new-moto-x

While those that prefer a bigger phone are a couple percent more, it's pretty close to 50/50. Definitely room for a small phone to be marketable and profitable. That would mean if everyone that complained about being too big actually stuck to their guns and didn't buy one, the manufacturers big phones would sell about 50% less. That would be unacceptable to the manufacturers and maybe then they would give us some options then.
[Moto X General] vikramkhalsa:
I don't think there are enough of us to make a difference. the overwhelming majority either wants large phones or doesn't care enough to look for small ones or be defiant. People want high specs or good phones and it seems like size is something that most people are willing to sacrifice..

If I don't have any good choices after my moto x I might have to give in too :/

If there are people out there ( according to the poll) I don't think they will stand their ground to affect the manufacturers.
[Moto X General] AndreaCristiano:
I also take that poll with a grain of salt it's one poll on one site done unscientific
[Moto X General] mickliq:
It will be interesting (VERY interesting) to see if there's a "Droid Mini" this year. It's always possible (but not probable!) that Moto could unveil a "Moto X Mini" at 4.7" with the same innards as the "new" Moto X. Ya, I'm dreaming.
[Moto X General] trentonmc24:
It'd be awesome if there was. If they kept everything the same as the new Moto X in the same size, or even a little thicker than the current Moto X I'd even pay more for that form factor than I would for the bigger version. I would have bought the Droid mini last year if it would have had 32 gb and the amoled screen.
[Moto X General] devilsdouble:
You were first misinformed about the new X's LED notification and now mistaken about this one.

:good:
[Moto X General] AndreaCristiano:
Misinformed by so called experts on this site. I'm not the one reporting there is an led all in said is what was being said in the New moto X thread. Also I'm not mistaken about the phone size the above poll is garbage get a real poll or something like phone sales that backs up the people want smaller and then well talk
[Moto X General] freak4dell:
LOL. "Your poll is garbage, but don't mind that I'm not posting any sources of my own to refute it."
[Moto X General] AndreaCristiano:
http://www.theverge.com/2014/9/8/6121143/motorola-moto-x-2014-new-review

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I'm not posting any because there are none that are actual scientific polls
[Moto X General] jonnythan:
Has there been any word on when Verizon will get the new X?
[Moto X General] AndreaCristiano:
No real solid dates but the 19th and 29th are being floated
[Moto X General] Note10.1Dude:
Pure edition (Gsm) Coming tuesday on Moto Maker!
[Moto X General] AndreaCristiano:
yea, i posted a thread in the new 2014 moto X about it!
[Moto X General] LunaticSerenade:
I have this issue with my Droid MAXX to some degree.

I just put it in my back pocket, and take it out if I will be sitting for a long period of time.
[Moto X General] zed011:
So is it now basically the same size as a LG G2? I could handle that if it weren't so slippery at the back
[Moto X General] themcfly:
Not a Moto X+1

My bet is that he really donesnt have a Moto X+1 in his hands:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cLXS9xSZYpg

Did not really show anything that could prove that is a X+1. Apart from that boot animation (of which we never see an ending, could perfectly be a playing video). That is a regular Moto X wrapped in plastic. Also never compares the size because "he borrowed his Moto X". But he says new videos are coming soon, so let's wait.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sqhhUBqhUHc

Thank god he shows us the 1080p display. How clever. Well more videos coming anyway huh?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BZjZ2q4JFCs

So basically he is trying to make us thing that thing shoots 4k, he never really stays put to get a sharp image because "he just finished walking his dog" so it's all shaky, and he says he cannot access the camera settings because there is some password thing or whatever. On youtube, changing the quality from 1080p to 2160p really doesn't change a thing, it's all blurry and messed up.

Well, let's take a look at his instagram:

http://instagram.com/p/paKIYGvSu1/

http://instagram.com/p/pc_PnGPSjn/

http://instagram.com/p/peePL4PSqy/

Regular screenshot showing nothing about the resolution, regular overexposed bootimage, and in the only photo you could really compare the size, he doesn't even include the complete phone itself, but only the top part. Also, what is that metal-looking bezel on the left... is that a Galaxy S4 wrapped in plastic?

Either this guy is a complete mess, or he is just trolling to rake up views and subscribers on youtube/twitter/instagram.

Just show a solid, single and simple new proof you have the device that is not the boot animation (or a vide of it playing on a regular Moto X).

My guess is that in the next video, he'll show nothing more that what we just saw. But I'll be happy to be proven wrong.
[Moto X General] trentonmc24:
I hope your right.
[Moto X General] gammite:
Whoever is putting out these "leak" vids is a stone cold idiot. They just want hits to their site
[Moto X General] kdog350:
You may be right, The only evidence going for him right now is this http://www.gizbot.com/img/2014/06/19-motorola-moto-x-plus-1-update.jpg and the r in motorola is backwards
[Moto X General] trentonmc24:
Haha that R being backwards is definitely on purpose, I'm sure that's another one of Motorolas ID marks.

I have a hard time believing that they're really going to sand off the ID marks. Wouldn't that be a dead giveaway to Moto when they turn the phone in and the markings are sanded off?
[Moto X General] zed011:
I don't get why he doesn't just use black electrical tape to cover the marks. I thought this was so obvious , much better than covering it with all that junk
[Moto X General] trentonmc24:
He probably loaned his last roll out to someone or something... Hard to believe someone with a 25k bounty would be so ill prepared.
[Moto X General] zed011:
Now motorola's legal team is after him as per his twitter. Hmmm...
[Moto X General] DiNoise:
yeah, that's another lie, brings more attention, and at the end he might just say he can't show anything now (that would "truly" prove he has a real x+1)
[Moto X General] freak4dell:
That size comparison pic looks like it was done by the same guys who made that OnePlus One ad comparing it to the Z2.
[Moto X General] Restola:
I'm almost certain now it's a fraud. But why would he pick this device to do it? Even if it's making a great CPM from his YouTube views his last x+1 video has 775 views... That's like $1.50 in advertising revenue (probably way less).
[Moto X General] alpha-niner64:
I concur: that post about the legal team can go both ways. I chose not to pay attention to the post because of the ambiguity in context.

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If the phone is on loan, then there's a possibility that the markers are chemically treated such that things like tape could set off a reaction that would be a way of identifying which prototype it was. Using something like wax paper is chemically inert meaning that it would leave no residue and no identifying marks. I think he made the right decision going this route if the goal is to leave no traces.
[Moto X General] Restola:
IIRC this person claimed to have held one a while ago but provided no proof, speaking about the tktechnews leaks http://forums.androidcentral.com/showthread.php?p=3727108

Also evleaks posted a picture of what is claimed to be an x+1 in a case http://evleaks.at/2014/06/23/motorola-moto-x1-encased/
[Moto X General] themcfly:
Evleaks: the real deal

that bottom bezel looks uuugly... but at least the top speaker is consistent with this find in may:

https://twitter.com/evleaks/status/471648399092355072

I think this is the real deal... evleaks is also absolutely reliable compared with this tktechnews guy...

Also about that: I'm now 100% convinced it's a fraud. If you compare this instagram photo and the first video:

http://instagram.com/p/peePL4PSqy/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cLXS9xSZYpg

You can clearly see it's not even covering the same parts with that white eraser. I don't even understand why giant tech blogs are publishing his posts anymore. And the last leak is even better: he clearly said he couldn't reveal the color of the backplate to "protect his source" in the first videos, and now he's putting up this:

http://instagram.com/p/pkX0CQvSn5/

That's clearly from a Moto X. He doesn't know what to come up with, he's clearly out of ideas. I hate these fake clowns.
[Moto X General] Restola:
Yep, everything he has posted could be easily faked by using a moto x. I've very politely asked in comments a few times to provide anything that couldnt be faked with a moto x and he approves my comment (all comments are moderated), tells me "his source is more important than showing me a phone. unsubscribe if you dont like it", then deletes my comment (so i still get the email alert that he told me to go pound sand but no one else can see people doubting his fake leaks on his blog). I think the more credible blogs pretty much realize it too. Androidpolice, androidcentral (my favorites) didnt even bother to share tk's lies but immediately jumped at evleaks.

evleaks is way more interesting
[Moto X General] T-Keith:
The ev leaks x+1, almost certainly is wrong. Looks more like a moto e. They might make the screen bigger, but I doubt they make the bezels bigger.
[Moto X General] zed011:
Agreed. There's no way that is the X+1
[Moto X General] Restola:
This guy claims to have held the X+1 and said over a month ago the X+1 shares design language with the Moto E.

http://forums.androidcentral.com/moto-x2/388599-moto-x-1-moto-website.html#post3643047
[Moto X General] zed011:
hopely it's the front speaker design language and not the huge bezels which would be a rather massive departure from the sleek X
[Moto X General] Restola:
I would think a phone with such bezelage and a 5" screen would be huge. Every leak says it's not huge, so I'm confused.
[Moto X General] trentonmc24:
If he was worried about electric tape leaving traces I think he'd be much more worried about sanding the markings off, as thats originally what he said he was going to do days ago.

I agree, it's gotta be fake.
[Moto X General] kdog350:
He just posted a video of the moto x next to what looks like a galaxy s5. We should all comment on his channel about it ?
[Moto X General] alpha-niner64:
We'll get our answer tomorrow at the event and see whether it's all true or not.
[Moto X General] AndreaCristiano:
http://www.phonearena.com/news/Moto...urprise-appearance-at-Google-IO-today_id57482

Moto X+1 to make a surprise Google I/O appearance, promo render
[Moto X General] Arak-Nafein:
5.2" screen? Ugh, too big. The X was the perfect size/resolution....and they just HAD to go & ruin that.
[Moto X General] AndreaCristiano:
Thats crazy talk I guarantee that the phone will be only slightly smaller probably the size of the 5 inch Nexus
[Moto X General] Arak-Nafein:
:( The Nexus 5 is too big as well. I don't know why they have to keep making everything bigger.
[Moto X General] trentonmc24:
Because of higher profit margins, and bigger screened phones are easier to sell because there big bright glowing screens. Pretty much the same reason LCD TVs vastly outsold plasmas, even though plasma had much better picture quality.
[Moto X General] m4tt94:
This is a fake. I have made the render. I have posted it on AndroidCentral forum, and someone stole it. I have nothing to do with the fake Google I/O or the 5.2" news.

Sorry.

https://hostr.co/file/970/IN45fkSbC9oD/renderwm.png

https://hostr.co/file/970/07Jlykx20otJ/photoshopscreenshotwm.png
[Moto X General] alpha-niner64:
Now this is where it gets interesting. TK Tech News took the image that you claimed(..sorry) to make and ran with it as their source from the "motorola employee".
[Moto X General] AndreaCristiano:
I think you're full of ****. Multiple sites have this render
[Moto X General] m4tt94:
So, how you explain the pictures I've posted? I have made this fake for fun, and posted it on the AndroidCentral forum. Then, someone stole it (read:9to5Google and TK tech news) and said it was real, and then it spread on other sites. I can post the original PSD, if you don't believe me.
[Moto X General] themcfly:
You're right, I read the Androidiani comment too before the fake went confirmed everywhere.

And about this:

https://tktechnewsblog.files.wordpress.com/2014/06/wpid-img_20140625_210215.jpg

WTF is wrong with people? What is different in that picture from a dev. edition Moto x?
[Moto X General] Note10.1Dude:
It does look like an X+1 may have been photographed next to a 360 at Google I/O. All over the normal rumor sites. If it hits with the specks that are rumored, it will be my next work phone. Oh, and it really needs to be out in Aug. Work is changing over mobile policy and I won't be able to hold out past September at the latest. Only question will be if I spring for 64 GB, since I have to pay for the hardware.

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Oh,

and am I the only one that hopes when they resolve what camera they are putting in they go with a really good 4 MP model and not one of these junk 12 MP ones with such small receptor sites on the sensor that they can't be used at less than iso 50 in bright sunlight? Phone camera design is going WAY the wrong way.
[Moto X General] :
Hello, this is my first post so I don't think I can post links. Phonearena.com has an article titled "Motorola Moto X+1 specs leak on Brazilian website." The source link on that article leads to the Brazilian website. From the article:
[Moto X General] Restola:
Phonearena posts anything sent their way with no effort at all to confirm even the dumbest claims.
[Moto X General] chrisomnia1:
What backs are those?

New motomaker backs or x+1?

There is a white dimple now with the moto logo. And look at the gray one below the green one. The camera is closer to top of phone and i don't see a dimple. Hmmm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nz7MjoCykNU&t=2m12s
[Moto X General] abiezer:
I've seen the device in person (can't say how or where) and it is definitely bigger than the current one. The dimple is also much bigger. It does not look like those renders. Also, the one I saw was running the L android version.
[Moto X General] ChrisAG:
How was the look & feel compared to the current X?
[Moto X General] abiezer:
The back was curved in a similar way. The phone was much thinner. The dimple in the back was easily twice the current size. All I can confirm spec wise is that it is running some kind of a Snapdragon 800, quad core, at 2.2 Ghz and 2 GB of RAM. There will be a new gesture system that has never been heard of before. You will be able to get the phone to "breath" by waving your hand. This will be from a multitude of sensors, not from just a proximity sensor like the Samsung phones. They were referred to as "a real gesture system". Rear camera will be 13 MP and front 2 MP.

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Also, the screen size was definitely bigger than 5"
[Moto X General] Wutang200:
Really hope they don't go down the Samsung route of waving hands all over the place looking like a retard. The air gestures are hit and miss to say the least!!

As for getting breathing notifications when the phone is on my desk, the feature is already here. I can just wave my hand gently over the front and it'll breathe into life. No further gestures needed in my opinion!
[Moto X General] zed011:
Please do tell us about the bezels :fingers-crossed:
[Moto X General] mlodykaras:
The most important question is... How the new Moto x feels compared to the old Moto. Is it a lot bigger? Nexus 5 like or bigger?
[Moto X General] AndreaCristiano:
I definitely would like to know. I have tried to switch to another phone but I keep holding on to make sure the new X isn't or is for me. I love my current X just want a bigger higher resolution screen and I'm happy as heck. PS the thinner is awesome :)

MOTO X
[Moto X General] mug2k:
Any idea's on the release date?
[Moto X General] Note10.1Dude:
Rumor is Aug-Sep.
[Moto X General] kdog350:
What phone do you guys think he is comparing the nexus 5 to? Whatever it is, it's running CM11 with an android L theme.
[Moto X General] Wutang200:
Personally I think it'll be launching at the same time as the Moto 360 watch.

If it's bigger than the Nexus 5, I definitely won't be buying it. The Nexus 5 is at the limit of phone sizes that I'm willing to go even though I still think that's too big.
[Moto X General] Erdiou:
Is this the new Moto x+1? It's taller then a Nexus 5 and the screen is bigger. :(

[YOUTUBE]ddqjq625y4E[/YOUTUBE]

[YOUTUBE]NAwGDd9jhAQ[/YOUTUBE]
[Moto X General] rocketsaucev2:
Anything from this tk tech news I automatically take as bs
[Moto X General] kdog350:
+1
[Moto X General] kobester:
My take on all of this is to look at the signs. Why would you be trying to develop software and hardware for an incomplete build of android? We know from previous conversations that Moto and Google have a clear separation. So there is no way that it is running some advanced version of android l. If it was running anything at all I would think it would be 4.4.4. Also the thing that immediately put me off of tktechnews is the supposed Moto x+1 boot. That clock at the lock screen is standard for cyanogenmod. I believe it is called Chronos or cLock. The battery icon is also from CyanogenMod. Last but not least the quick settings screen is all wrong for android l as seen from Google I/o. The so called Moto x+1 in those videos is some device running Cyanogenmod with an android l theme.
[Moto X General] mr_recordman:
Maybe this is the new look of the X+1

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Skinomi®-Te...qid=1406046600&sr=8-8&keywords=moto+x+skinomi

There is even an estimated date of release :eek:
[Moto X General] Restola:
Attached is the picture they have posted to Amazon UK

Says the product has been live since July 2
[Moto X General] mr_recordman:
The Skinomi skin looks the same as the new leaked photo of the Moto G. I would say it is the leaked photo is from Moto X+1.

http://www.gsmarena.com/showpic.php3?sImg=newsimg/14/07/moto-g-2-sighting/gsmarena_001.jpg&idNews=9087
[Moto X General] abuttino:
Wow.. You guys will bite at anything they feed you :)
[Moto X General] Restola:
I dont think the accessory manufacturers have leaked an accurate render of a device before. I could be wrong but I think it's just a semi-generic placeholder.
[Moto X General] kdog350:
Now this is a legit leak! Looks like the skinomi skin was right. http://www.phonearena.com/news/Moto...totype-leaks-out-poses-for-the-camera_id58625
[Moto X General] biggiestuff:
If this phone lands in the mid400 range, I'd be all about it.
[Moto X General] jonnythan:
Looks like a 3-element ring flash on the camera. That's kind of hot.
[Moto X General] zed011:
The middle housing is metal??
[Moto X General] eeshlikhith:
Aluminium apparently
[Moto X General] abuttino:
I hope not. That's a soft metal
[Moto X General] Cronis:
Depending on what kind it of Aluminum it is, could be stronger than some steels. 2024 AL or even 6013 AL would be a good fit. We are talking about a phone with a wood back though... I don't think the aluminum is what you need to worry about! :p
[Moto X General] Slick52:
Just read that the Nexus 6 might be coming in the fall, made by Motorola. If so, I'll have to skip the X+1 and wait for the Nexus. Unless scumbag Verizon doesn't carry it, which now that I think about it, they probably won't. 5.9in screen rumored.

Sent from my XT1060
[Moto X General] alpha-niner64:
I always found this line of reasoning odd. That we can simply slap together a Moto X and a large-screen phone(5.5 inch) in the same category. Especially the Moto X of all phones. I think most of us here who bought into the Moto X was largely because of its form factor. A closer comparison would be the Z1 compact or Z3 compact.
[Moto X General] Slick52:
I definitely will have to see the Nexus, that large of a screen would have to have very small bezels to be pocketable. I love the size of my X, but sometimes the screen is just a tad small for video and games. X+1 sounds about perfect, but having an unlocked bootloader would trump any other features. Has there been any noise regarding a Dev edition X+1?

Sent from my XT1060
[Moto X General] freeintruth:
Is it just me? X's 4.7" is just a right size to pull it out while driving. 5.2" is, well, bearable. 5.9" is just too much. By now we all have a tablet, right? N7 is on sale almost every day.
[Moto X General] alpha-niner64:
It is not just you. I completely feel the same way with people wanting their phone to do everything. Even though I have a Note 2 for extended-work where I am away from a charger ,the inconvenient truth is that such a catch-all approach has its own set of limitations as well, first being the form factor. The last being the screen size. Of course, one can make it all work out depending on what apps to use and what settings.
[Moto X General] bosotros:
I ordered a Moto x because I'm afraid that one-handed phones with decent specs are going to disappear. The x is a perfect size and shape. The current trend of 5+ inches doesn't seem to be fading, they're all just getting bigger.
[Moto X General] SymbioticGenius:
If I could have a note 3 size with MotoX software and radios I would. I gave up my nexus 5 cause Moto signal was better and touch less was truly touch less as well as active display

However I agree the MotoX is comfortable and the only benefit of larger screen is to fit my walls of text better. Why anyone would carry a tablet and a phone is beyond me
[Moto X General] phositadc:
Ditto. I would go further than most and say I prefer even smaller than the Moto X. Droid Mini is perfect size IMO. Very sad there are so few flagships with good specs these days. Also very sad that current gen "mini" phones like S5 and HTC One 2 are a massive 4.5". Since when did 4.5 become "mini? Lol.

Maybe there will be a mini version of the X+1 and it will be the same size as the original X.

Sent from my XT1053
[Moto X General] Restola:
My wife loves her note 3,personally I can't justify it without usingthe pen (which I never use and she uses every day). I am super excited about a 5.1" moto x though.
[Moto X General] treyf711:
I am hoping that the 5.9 tag is total device diagonal. At that size the bezel would have to be virtually nonexistent for me to carry a phone around of that size.