yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[Moto X General] evilinheaven:
It's a good phone. Very quick. A little bigger for my taste, but has a good grip apart from its aluminium surroundings, the back plate is rubber-like material.

Both earpiece and speaker are front faced. Don't have much to say about battery life for now, have to use some more...

And as i told, is not mine for sell, it belong to my company, under a NDA...
[Moto X General] MichaelMcEntire:
The last part of my comment was totally meant as a joke.
[Moto X General] evilinheaven:
Those lousy non-native speakers... Never get a good joke!

The moto x+1 outperformed the LG G3 in the AnTuTu benchmark: 45740 Moto x+1 and 27698 G3.

I think that the bigger resolution on the G3 has the guilty here.
[Moto X General] Restola:
so this is why it is quiet today
[Moto X General] abuttino:
https://plus.google.com/u/0/+DerekRoss/posts/Hx6nrqv1pJJ?cfem=1

No announcement coming until tomorrow.
[Moto X General] mickliq:
What a lame way to introduce devices.
[Moto X General] AndreaCristiano:
That's so stupid. You send an invite for the 4th you know the media is leaking that invite yet you don't launch your device till the day after ?
[Moto X General] TBayTom:
Yeah, I guess it is to allow the media to use the device, shoot their video's and take pictures of it first. That way they can release their "first look" pieces after the quiet period is up tomorrow.
[Moto X General] AndreaCristiano:
Still stupid in my opinion. The media could have done that all right after the event
[Moto X General] TBayTom:
livestream for tomorrow: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v1ne0Li7hvs

Edit: not necessarily a live stream of the event, but I think this will be the hangout with some of the moto execs
[Moto X General] Steve-x:
Wow, if Motorola can't figure out how to announce a product its amazing they can still design one. If they wanted to give the media a sneak peak a few hours before an official event I could understand that, but this is insane.
[Moto X General] AndreaCristiano:
Agreed the invite should have been for the actual device unveiling. The media could have gotten there own invite for the pre event
[Moto X General] mtlons:
I hope somebody asks them "when are you hiring a new PR team?"
[Moto X General] Restola:
More likely...why did you fire your PR team before the Lenovo sale completed instead of after?

In all seriousness, I understand why they do it this way. Every blog around the globe is going to have a calm hands on, time to write an actual first impression, time to listen to the moto sales team pitch how wonderful the features are. Instead of a typical event where everyone is just trying to post first and not really paying attention. But why didn't they just announce the press event and public event at the same time so we'd know what to expect!
[Moto X General] OpenBlade:
Finally :D
[Moto X General] mickliq:
After all the confusion, it now seems that the NDA embargo lifts at 2AM ET on the 5th. So I guess all the blogs will be flooded when I wake up in the morning with Moto news :).
[Moto X General] tocirah1:
Short Leak: http://www.vidup.de/v/M2WK9/
[Moto X General] Restola:
those smart watches are LOL large

I think ill skip the first few generations
[Moto X General] mickliq:
I believe that's the new "x" at the beginning of the video. It looks large too. Love the watch faces!
[Moto X General] Infekxion:
Well twist to launch camera and a side mounted power button are present so I'm happy.

Sent from my Hammerhead
[Moto X General] freeintruth:
first impression video from CNET:The new Moto X gets a larger screen, leather back…: http://youtu.be/G4okMlp7qQo
[Moto X General] devilsdouble:
Someone please tell me I am drunk, but I want to be, badly :(

What were Motorola thinking?
[Moto X General] mlodykaras:
Yeah!! Its huge compared to the old one :(

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7mMrANKM2H4
[Moto X General] mickliq:
Beautiful design aside, there are a number of "fails" here, notably the size, battery size and lack of MicroSD expansion or a 64GB option (which they may add later, as they did with the OG X). No impulse buy for me...
[Moto X General] mlodykaras:
Well there will be an accessory coming out called "turbo charger" and Its going to charge new moto in 15min so who needs bigger battery ;)
[Moto X General] biggiestuff:
Someone who doesn't have an outlet to plug into :laugh::laugh:
[Moto X General] MichaelMcEntire:
Does anyone know if the new one is coming to Sprint?
[Moto X General] AndreaCristiano:
Man the belly aching on here is a bit much. This new X is better in every way and the dimensions in the hand will barely be noticeable.
[Moto X General] freak4dell:
Yeah, close a centimeter wider and a centimeter taller won't be noticeable at all. /s
[Moto X General] dobbs3x:
I train a lot and use my phone in an armband, the 4.7 moto x fits comfortably in the armband and other larger phones like the n5 don't work well on the arm. One of the reasons I went back to the moto x. So it's not just about the size in hand, but size in other areas of people's life too. Or even how it fits in active ppls pockets, or in the car. I am going to miss the features of the moto x.
[Moto X General] Wansanta:
So what phone are you going to get then? The iPhone 6 will have a 4.7" screen but in a body that I believe is larger than the new Moto X.
[Moto X General] AndreaCristiano:
A CM! Are you guys serious?? For one no phone will stay the size of the current X also the cm doesn't tell the whole story. The slimness and ergonomics of the New x are better than the current. The exaggerations on here make it seem that the New X is the Nokia 1520
[Moto X General] dobbs3x:
I'm not sure yet. I have been eyeing the new iphone in 4.7 although I have not checked the actual dimensions. I use a sports performance device that measures my pace, explosiveness, vertical, hustle, heart rate and the app is way more feature rich on iOS, and was on iOS for almost 2 years before it came to android. The android lacks all the feature I wanted so that's another reason for the iPhone. Apple seems to have the health and fitness market on lock for their device.

I do miss having and ir blaster on my note 3 too. If only I could build my perfect device lol.
[Moto X General] freak4dell:
iPhone 6 is rumored to be 67mm wide. Much smaller than the new X.
[Moto X General] AndreaCristiano:
I'm going to see what Apple has to announce with this iPhone 6 as well because I have a Mac etc at home bit right now the New X is in front
[Moto X General] freak4dell:
Unless they've changed the definition of a millimeter, there's no way to cover up the extra width. It's not humanly possible. I'm sure it feels better than other 72mm wide phones, but that's not what I'm looking for. I'm looking for a phone that isn't 72mm wide in the first place.
[Moto X General] AndreaCristiano:
All I'm saying is that phones will no linger be small until they figure out a way to have no bezel at all in all directions and even then to have a 5 inch plus screen it will be difficult. The majority want bigger screens not smaller
[Moto X General] dobbs3x:
My perfect phone.

4.7 screen

64gb+ storage

Moto control/assist features

IR blaster

Wide lens camera

Quad core

Boom sound speakers

Stockish android
[Moto X General] freak4dell:
Come back and tell me that when there's a widely available phone that's actually small and has good specs. So far, all that's been proven is that people don't want ****ty small phones. The few good small phones that have been made have huge drawbacks. The X wasn't marketed well, nor was the international launch (or even the US launch, for that matter) handled well. The Z1C wasn't available everywhere. We'll see if Sony fixes that with the Z3C, but I doubt it.
[Moto X General] AndreaCristiano:
Umm what are you talking about? Were saying the same thing. I'm telling everyone who's complaining that the New X is to big that no one wants small phones. That small phones although are portable and comfortable they are not desired because of screen size.
[Moto X General] dobbs3x:
Of course I think I want to have the new x in hand and give it a shot first. I still want to check it out.
[Moto X General] freak4dell:
No, we're not saying the same thing. You're saying no one wants small phones. I'm saying no one wants ****ty small phones.
[Moto X General] AndreaCristiano:
Ask yourself why all the minis etc are ****. They're shut because they barely sell so that's why they get less specs. The majority and by a large margin want a 5 inch plus screen
[Moto X General] freak4dell:
That's like the chicken and egg question. Are they ****ty because they barely sell, or do they barely sell because they're ****ty? There's no way to no, because nobody has made a good one that is widely available.
[Moto X General] Wansanta:
This. Even the iPhone users are doing cartwheels over the larger iPhone 6 screens.

The more I use my phone as a hand held computer, the larger the screen I need. And I use it as a hand held computer more than I use it as a phone.

For the record, I have a flip phone on a basic line if I need to have a small phone with me for some reason. I sell the upgrade available on that line to pay for the line.
[Moto X General] AndreaCristiano:
IPhone 5S quality phone and yet lost share and usual iPhone users because they were tired of the small screen. Why do you think Apple fans are salivating over the iPhone 6 because of the two New screen sizes! People already writing op-ed on Samsung exodus to return to iPhone. They're are numbers out there about screen size go look. There's a reason even Apple finally went bigger
[Moto X General] freak4dell:
Apple is going to 4.7", not a ridiculous 5.2" or more. If there's proof out there that the majority of people (i.e., not the tech geeks that comment on XDA and tech blogs) want 5"+ screens, show it to me. Until then, you're just making things up to defend your own preferences.
[Moto X General] Wansanta:
I would have to check the specs to make sure, but I believe the leaks are indicating that the iPhone 6 4.7" screen is housed in a body that is larger than the new Moto X so that overall it will be a bigger phone.

And don't forget that they are releasing a 5.5" iPhone 6, too.

The proof is in the fact that this is what manufacturers are making. That is how a capitalistic system based on supply and demand works. The manufacturers respond to demand and if they don't, they are left with an oversupply of devices no one wants to buy.

Also, motorola already published their market research results - 75% want larger phones. They didn't pull that number out of their ass.
[Moto X General] freak4dell:
We haven't seen the 5.5" one yet, as far as I know. The 4.7" has been seen, or at least the body has. Current estimates are 67mm wide, which is much smaller than the X.

Link to Motorola's published results?
[Moto X General] dobbs3x:
Let's just say there is two substantial markets that have interest in both larger and smaller sizes.

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I also think that lots of the apple veterans will regret going bigger. I went bigger, I went to the note 3, it wasn't horrible. I thought I wanted bigger, was not until I actually had bigger for a few months that I realized it was not working the way I planned and went back to smaller. Its hard to say bigger is nicer until you have actually used one for a fee months in day to day situations.
[Moto X General] Wansanta:
I read that on AC, but won't be searching for the post. If you want to find it, it is over there somewhere. One of the mods posted it so I assume it is true.
[Moto X General] freak4dell:
I don't know about that. I think reasonably bigger is a good thing. 4.7" is a really good size, as long as the bezels aren't too bad. 67mm is a tiny bit bigger than ideal, but it's not terrible. The Note 3 is absurdly large, so I can definitely see why you regretted that, but I think a lot of iPhone users will likely be happy with 4.7".
[Moto X General] Wansanta:
I believe you as you sound like you keep up on this. I had read otherwise.
[Moto X General] dobbs3x:
Sorry,I meant anything over 4.7 being big. I think the 4.7 will be good for iPhone.
[Moto X General] Wansanta:
But that is not how the manufacturers see it otherwise they would not let one substantial market go untapped.

And if many people feel this way, they will stop buying bigger phones and the manufacturers will respond accordingly.
[Moto X General] biggiestuff:
But how does it work without a battery? hahaha jk
[Moto X General] AndreaCristiano:
And in a nutshell is why many people are buying larger phones and small phones are like the dodo bird
[Moto X General] trentonmc24:
The reason the new X is so much bigger has less to do with customers demanding bigger phones, and more to do with the fact that those specs, in the body the size of the OG X would cost nearly twice as much to manufacture.
[Moto X General] AndreaCristiano:
That has no bearing on it at all. The screen is bigger because of consumer polling. Google has done this extensively and the ideal size is 5 to 6 inches.
[Moto X General] freak4dell:
So then how was Sony able to do it? It's not like the Z1C was any more expensive than a flagship, and I don't expect the Z3C to be, either.
[Moto X General] trentonmc24:
I wasn't polled
[Moto X General] AndreaCristiano:
Sorry you were left out
[Moto X General] trentonmc24:
Because the Z1C is pretty much the same size as the X area wise, maybe slightly bigger.
[Moto X General] AndreaCristiano:
The reality is bigger screens bigger phones. If you want something small either stay with current X or deal with subpar phones. Even the moto G is now 5 inch screen
[Moto X General] Wansanta:
This is consistent with everything I am reading - iPhone users by and large are ecstatic about the release of an iPhone with a bigger screen and Apple is trying to reduce losses to Android due to its small screen size.
[Moto X General] AndreaCristiano:
Thank you. Someone using logic understands and realizes that if all manufacturers are going the bigger phone route the demand must be for bigger phones
[Moto X General] trentonmc24:
Is the demand truly for bigger phones though? Or is it for the phones with the highest specs?
[Moto X General] AndreaCristiano:
It's obviously for bigger phones. They wouldn't be making 5 plus inch screens if no one wanted them. They would make smaller phones with the same specs as the current flagship. They're is no reason my current LG g3 is the size it is other than the desire for it's best feature the 5.5 inch quad hd screen
[Moto X General] trentonmc24:
Correct me if I'm wrong but the G3 isn't exactly selling like hotcakes. Manufacturers haven't given us a choice between small and large phones. If you want the phone with the best specs it has to be the biggest they make. They make you believe that the screen size is bigger and better, but the real reason flagship phones are bigger is because bigger=cheaper to design and manufacture. I'm not saying bigger phones are not popular, I'm saying the reason they're as big as they are is because they have to be for today's specs.
[Moto X General] AndreaCristiano:
LG isn't selling well because it's LG and not Samsung. Android is Samsung in sales no other way around it.
[Moto X General] biggiestuff:
I think LG G3 is on target for 10 million from what i read recently. By far their best selling phone.
[Moto X General] freak4dell:
Uhhh...what? The Z1C is 127x64.9x9.5mm, making it smaller in every dimension than the old X. The Z3C is 127.3x64.9x8.6, which is still smaller than the old X, and absolutely miniscule compared to the new X. Yet it has the same SD 801, 2 GB RAM, a microSD slot, and a bigger battery.
[Moto X General] mickliq:
I've watched a bunch of reviews on the 2014 X. My conclusion is that it's really a beautifully designed device and they've priced it right (with room to go down, I'm sure) based on it having a few shortcoming but some advantages, against the big 4 SD801 competitors (GS5, LG G3, HTC One M8, Xperia Z2/Z3). I suppose the downside is the small battery, lack of internal storage/microSD expansion and probably inferior camera against all but the One M8. Upside is the software and "Moto" awareness.

That being said, I'm waiting on the z3c.

The Moto 360 is really beautiful, shame it's already sold out. Hope Moto hasn't shot themselves in the foot by not having enough inventory in the pipeline.
[Moto X General] devilsdouble:
You are surely, definitely, must be kidding right? :confused:
[Moto X General] AndreaCristiano:
No not kidding. My old moto X and nexus 5 there wasn't a huge difference. The difference was the squared slab that the nexus 5 was, with the new X the ergonomics will make it even less noticeable unless you all have midget hands
[Moto X General] trentonmc24:
The Z1C isn't much smaller than the OG X, take into account the flat back of the Z1C vs the tapered back of the X and it's probably the same, maybe more internal volume. The Z3C is the same dimensions, but like the Z1C it is flat backed with no taper, so there's more area to work with. Also since the Z3C probably doesn't have a CDMA radio that saves space as well. I never said it was impossible for phone makers to fit specs like that in a smaller body, I just said it was more expensive to design and build, and when these manufacturers sell millions of devices, they care about every penny. Does anyone know what the MSRP is of the new Z3C?
[Moto X General] vikramkhalsa:
This.

Even if the bigger phones are selling better, I still personally think its because those were the phones that are marketed and pushed as flagships, next big thing, latest and greatest etc to consumers. I don't think it was majority consumer demand for larger screens ( i'm sure a lot of people do want or like them) but more of the manufacturers making bigger and bigger phones ( because "bigger is better", more space for electronics, bigger battery, etc) and the idea of phones being your primary media device and replacing laptops/tablets etc. So what I'm saying is, the big phones don't sell necessarily because thats what people want, I think people have been buying them because thats become the only choice if you want a popular or high end device. There just aren't any many small options for good, solid phones. So everyone buys bigger when there are no other options with good specs Then that just became marketed as better and an advantage that android had, so apple was forced to respond to it. And I'm sure there are many iphone users that are jealous or would want/like a bigger screen. But 4.7 is still reasonable, and considered "small" in the android world.

Anyways, just my opinion because I'm frustrated that there aren't good options for sub 5in android phones (there haven't really been since all the flagships started getting bigger and all companies went that route to compete) Moto x was perfect and I think a lot of the people liked it for that reason. My phone is still running great but I don't know what I'll do when its time to upgrade.. (z3c? new moto g? just give up and get new moto x? or wait for something else)

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People won't stop buying bigger phones because there are barely any small phones that have good specs or are available/known to the public..Moto G was very successful!
[Moto X General] AndreaCristiano:
I'm sorry but you obviously do not understand the free market. Large phones don't get pushed if no one wants them. They are made because of demand. If the demand was there for sub 5 inch phones there would be a plethora. Companies are here for one reason make profit. They make profit by making what sells period.
[Moto X General] devilsdouble:
I won't say anything, but just gonna let this comment slide :rolleyes:
[Moto X General] AndreaCristiano:
http://phandroid.com/2014/09/05/moto-x-unboxing-first-impressions-video/

Watch this video you will see in hand it is barely noticeable that it's bigger

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My bad :(
[Moto X General] trentonmc24:
Large phones get pushed to convince people to want them. Products don't get pushed based on how much people want them, that makes no sense. Your correct that companies are here only to make profit, and the easiest way for them to make profit is to make a bigger box (phone), so they can fit more stuff, (specs), then wrap it in pretty wrapping paper (giant screen) so that people will buy it.
[Moto X General] AndreaCristiano:
There are so many mistakes in this post I will not even comment
[Moto X General] Wansanta:
Thank you for explaining economics 101 to everyone. Geez, really are we the only 2 people who took that course in college posting on this thread? Seriously folks, capitalism is really simple! That's why it works!!!!!!!
[Moto X General] freak4dell:
Capitalism isn't that cut and dry. Yes, ideally, sellers supply what customers demand. However, when customer choice is limited, it's extremely hard to tell what customers actually want. Take ISPs. Nobody really wants a capped connect, throttled speeds, the "privilege" of leasing a modem for $5 a month forever, etc. Yet, those things are still widely prevalent in the market. If we're going by what the textbooks say about economics, that wouldn't happen. Fact is, real life isn't a text book. Most people have no choice but to buy service from an ISP that does all that crap. It's very possible the same principle applies to phones. Most people have no choice but to get a giant device, because that's the only way to get a device with halfway decent specs. Whether most people actually want the giant device or not is unknown (although you guys claim to know, but still have yet to post a source).
[Moto X General] AndreaCristiano:
https://medium.com/@somospostpc/a-c...creen-size-statistics-and-trends-e61d77001ebe

good read

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eZ9c-2tH_Qk

listen to his comparison of hand feel and size, although different , feels the same as moto X OG in hand but more premium
[Moto X General] PiousInquisitor:
From the first article: "The data refers to released models, and doesn't directly refer their sales in the market or consumer preferences." <- This article doesn't help your argument at all.

As for the Verge video and all videos out right now: who's to say they didn't get the unit for free to say it is all that. When independent reviewers get the phone and comment on the size ill have more confidence in the size comparison.

Honestly, the size doesn't really bother me. Its the lack of storage and no big red dev edition that turns me off to this phone. Ojala there is a 64gb dev edition option later on.
[Moto X General] AndreaCristiano:
Bringing all side's into the agreement I do not go blindly into an opinion. Also I do not believe the theory of free phone. They do mot keep the phone it's only a test unit for review purposes and the verge is very respectable. Finally I believe there will be an unlocked moto maker version for all carriers
[Moto X General] Restola:
From phandroids video I think the new x is the perfect size. Can't wait to try one.
[Moto X General] AndreaCristiano:
Yea that's a great video as well. Android authority has another there's a bunch. Can't wait
[Moto X General] x000x:
lol some guy on ebay is trying to sell moto x+1 PREORDER on ebay for $799
[Moto X General] rupterr:
I like it overall but I gotta see how it feels in hand.
[Moto X General] AndreaCristiano:
I think it's gonna be great
[Moto X General] gammite:
i am definitely not interested in having a larger phone. if i need more screen real estate i have 7 in, 8 in and 10 in tablets.

with that said i will see how this feels in the hand. but honestly since the og x is getting all of the new software goodies of the new x i really might not care to upgrade at this point.
[Moto X General] trentonmc24:
Don't buy it. I'm not. If everyone that complained about phones being too big didn't buy them then they would spend the extra money required to engineer smaller ones. Don't buy the bigger screen = better bullcrap the manufacturers are feeding everyone.