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[Windows 8 General] e.mote:
>Bann for looking for looking some more reliable input LOL hope not. I really like to get this conversation going so I can judge if this is worth my money.

You don't need "reliable input," just exercise some common sense and ask the questions. Do some actual thinking yourself, rather than just rely on others to do it for you.

The supposed startup Multi-Media Ventures (MMV) has a track record to follow. It prominently claimed to have shipped its iConsole.tv ("the most powerful Android console") last year, then look for evidence. Where are iConsole.tv's support forums, developer chatter, downloads (patches / code samples / drivers / documentation / etc), hardware specs? There is nothing on the iConsole.tv site or from a Google search.

The hardware is vaguely said to have a "fourth-generation Core processor with Iris graphics," but won't specify the exact CPU. There isn't even a picture of the shipping unit. On ConsoleOS's KS page, MMV claimed that the hardware is "out of stock," but on the iConsole.tv page, no OOS is mentioned, and it is only too willing to take your $699 (it took me straight to Paypal).

There are other red flags that scream SCAM! for those who bother to dig into MMV and C. Price's history. From Price's linkedin profile, he doesn't have any programming/engineering background. Nowhere on the ConsoleOS page is there any mention of his team, let alone their tech background. The entire site is basically one big sales pitch, with no substance.

Being mentioned on a popular blog is not proof of anything. Blogs don't have the manpower or the investigative expertise to verify in-depth. Most won't even do cursory fact-checking. Their overriding want is content to fill the space and keep the page hits coming. They need massive quantity of content everyday, and perforce quality takes a back seat.

That said, if you want further veracity and can't/won't do it yourself, you can get help from a blog (or blogs). Contact a blogger from a reputable blog, explain your case, along with red flags found in MMV's spiel, and ask if s/he can look further into it. Unmasking a scam would be a pretty good scoop, and as long as it doesn't take too much effort, the blogger will likely accommodate. Suggest Ars Technica, The Verge, and/or Engadget.

ConsoleOS is supposedly pretty far along, with claims of having reached "Developer Release 1" on 25 target platforms. I don't think it is unreasonable to ask for a PoC video from C. Price, do you? Would be nice to see boot-up from one of those said devices, and some of those fancy buzzword features like InstaSwitch and WindowsFlinger in action, no?

Cons work on people's greed for "good deals" and laziness to fact-check, both of which are under your control. Exercise your responsibility.
[Windows 8 General] GoodDayToDie:
There *was* actually a pretty big homebrew scene around the PS3 hypervisor (did you miss the whole "OtherOS" fiasco where Sony initially sold it with the ability to run Linux via the hypervisor, then tried to block that feature, then some enterprising hackers added it back and in the process broke the console's security wide open? I don't even have any Sony stuff but it was all over the news I was following ~3 years ago, though admittedly I follow a lot of security news). I haven't heard much about it recently, but the ability to install an run your own Linux system on the console was considered a real plus to some people (hard to get a Cell processor to play with, otherwise).

With that said, while I still don't buy the argument about the technical difficulty of using a hypervisor (seriously, not that hard; hard to write one from scratch, yes, hard to employ an existing one, no), the rest of your comments seems likely spot-on. This is a cool idea and seems like it should be possible (all the best scams are...) but I'm very skeptical that it's actually happening.
[Windows 8 General] rockmeister:
I am in the same boat as mcksz. I do hope MMV delivers a dual boot solution for my Asus Transformer T100 (fingers crossed). The idea of Dual boot is very valid. I have tried multiple emulators and have quickly come to the conclusion that dual boot is the only solution for moderately powered Baytrail based 2-in-1. For me "Windows for work and Android for Play" is a very powerful solution.

[MENTION=4369457]MGREX[/MENTION], by Chris Roberts, you mean Christoper Price? if so, he is still very much active on the the Android-x86 forum. Although, he is taking a beating in the Android-x86 forum from some of the skeptics :)

From my viewpoint, they are a startup and were building a dedicated android console and there was no market for it. Now it appears that they are pivoting to delivering ConsoleOS for the desktop and will try to convince the OEMs to ship dual boot solution. I am skeptical of the overall business plan as well... as both Google and Microsoft have shown no interest in a dual boot solution.

Thanks

Rockmeister
[Windows 8 General] e.mote:
>I do hope MMV delivers a dual boot solution for my Asus Transformer T100 (fingers crossed).

The notion of investing--what you're doing--with "fingers crossed" is so adorably naive that I just had to grin a little. As said from the outset, I think it's a good idea for everybody to experience firsthand at being a scam victim, because only then will they learn that not every claim on the Internet is true. In that, I approve of this so-called venture SPECIFICALLY because of its proclivity to go pear-shaped, and $10 is cheap for a life lesson learned.

I wholly understand that there is no argument that can sway you and those like you, because you've made up your mind on the "good deal." Selective input kicks in, and good luck getting through your blinder. Plus, in the absence of hard facts--C. Price had provided zip thus far--you fill in the gaps to fit what you wanted to believe. The best scams let the marks do most of the work.

>From my viewpoint, they are a startup and were building a dedicated android console and there was no market for it.

MMV claims that it shipped the developer "unit 00". Regardless of how good or bad the reception was, the support has to be in place. You don't just ship a dev kit and kiss off your developers because of poor sales. Do you understand this basic concept? This isn't a retail buy. Dev kits REQUIRE support. Yet there is absolutely zilch on iConsole.tv; the site is totally bare. We're not even talking about support, just basic info. Don't you think this is a cause for concern? What does it take for you to open your eyes? No need to answer, that was rhetorical.

Let's assume for the moment that MMV is legit, and iConsole.tv actually had shipped. Would you ever invest in a company that failed so utterly in its first venture that it "skipped town" on existing users, to jump on a second venture? If there's no support for iConsole.tv, isn't that a good indication of the support ConsoleOS will get?

Yeah, I know, whoosh. I hear nothing, I see nothing.

BTW, I don't blame C. Price at all. He's only taking what people gives him. If simpletons want to hand over money for dubious claims, he's more than welcome to it! Heck, checking in now, I see the new goal is $125K! GO CHRISTOPHER GO! DRINK THEIR MILKSHAKE!

The upshot about this is that it's all legal. Before Kickstarter, shenanigans like this are called securities fraud, which can entail major jail time. Now, Price & cohort can simply cop any convenient excuse--"the dog ate my code"--and they'll be in the clear. Personally, I think it's fine. You can't coddle the lazy and the gullible, who thinks "crossing fingers" is the way to invest. Let there be blood.
[Windows 8 General] rockmeister:
e.mote

I understand that we are poles apart on this issue. But isn't *all* kickstarter campaign based on certain amount of faith? Hence it comes to whether you have faith in MMV/Christoper Price (or not) in their ability to deliver on the 25 devices for the $50,000 pledge. I am willing to believe that the they would make good on their promise and also provide patches back to AOSP code base.

You think of it as an investment/securities fraud... but believe me, there are others that look at it as an supporting a campaign to get more android devices on the Intel platform of their choice and see it as a win-win. Categorizing other view points as "naive,gullible,lazy and simpletons" does not make you smart.

Currently they are nearing 43K and assuming that they reach their goal, we can revisit this thread in 63 days! Until then I will refrain from responding to this thread.

Peace!!!

Rockmeister
[Windows 8 General] e.mote:
>I understand that we are poles apart on this issue. But isn't *all* kickstarter campaign based on certain amount of faith?

Sorry, no. Investing isn't about "faith," nor is this particular case a matter of opinion. Aforementioned issues are concrete data points that can/can't be verified. BTW, thanks for confirming my observation, by conveniently ignoring every point made in this thread in the interest of "faith." Your input filter is alive and well.

Whatever you want to call it, and no matter what the amount of dollars may be, KS is investing for the common man. Indeed, when Congress pass the Crowdfund Act to allow KS to come into being, this specific downside--the gullibility of untrained investors--was specifically debated. But the upside--of democratizing venture funding--would more than offset, to which I agree. That doesn't make the downside go away, and we are witnessing such in play.

>I am willing to believe that the they would make good on their promise and also provide patches back to AOSP code base.

Then the question is, on what basis are you placing your belief/faith, that the promise would be fulfilled?

>there are others that look at it as an supporting a campaign to get more android devices on the Intel platform of their choice and see it as a win-win

Yes, they can only see the sizzle (the pitch). Investing is about asking "where's the beef?"

>Categorizing other view points as "naive,gullible,lazy and simpletons" does not make you smart.

I don't claim to be any smarter than the next, but I will claim to know how to read a prospectus, and of doing due diligence. For those who proclaim that investing requires "faith," then no offense, but the above descriptors more than fit. Would that your tending of your ego be matched by your common sense, then perhaps this exchange would have a different tenor.

>Currently they are nearing 43K and assuming that they reach their goal, we can revisit this thread in 63 days! Until then I will refrain from responding to this thread.

Yes, we at least agree on this, that the venture will likely reach its goal. And like you, I look forward to its "put up or shut up" moment. I will be here to eat crow, if backers actually get something usable. If it does go sideways, however, I frankly don't expect you to be back.
[Windows 8 General] MGREX:
...........and it just crossed the $50k goal, with over 20 days to spare (and scam even more saps)

You know in this day and age there is no excuse for this, like if this were 1994 the only way to know chris price here is yet another nobody claiming to have done things he didn't and to have a product that doesn't exists would involve either paying a PI or go through tons of paper records yourself, particularly difficult if you don't live in the same place/city.

But now? you can head right into his web profiles and see he isn't an engineer, he doesn't have a team, that anything he said he built its either a fake or simply unrelated to the project, that he is unqualified and that what he says he's working on is far beyond his capabilities, and yet nobody bothers to.

Its like either no-one cares or nobody cares to know at all if its real or not,

Then again after that potato salad bullcrap I guess anyone can ask for money on kickstarter................so why I'm not doing it?:p
[Windows 8 General] GoodDayToDie:
"Man's unfailing capacity to believe what he prefers to be true, rather than what the evidence shows to be likely and possible, has always astounded me. We long for a caring universe which will save us from our childish mistakes, and in the face of mountains of evidence to the contrary, we will pin all our hopes on the slimmest of doubts..."

It's too bad Zakharov is a fictional character, he's more rational than an awful lot of the human race.
[Windows 8 General] fgdn17:
as e.mote said...do some homework / thinking...

goto android-x86 forums and search for Asus Transformer T100 and/or surface pro dual-boot......

it's all been done.....

also note the android-ia image patches and uploaded image by the project leader for T100...I assume according

the T100 uses uEFI 32 bit....therefore some hoops he went through....

see here: https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/android-x86/Asus$20Transformer$20T100/android-x86/j-iKHx23hMg/-jP0X1jBpEYJ
[Windows 8 General] Miker1029:
LOL

About made me fall out iof my Chair then!

Mike (Miker1029)
[Windows 8 General] Christopher Price:
Hi everyone, as founder of Console OS, I decided to come in here and address some misconceptions and incorrect information.

* We are not using Android-x86.org's code base. We just aren't, assertions to the contrary are incorrect.

* We are using AOSP with a lot of additional licensed technology. Our technical partners don't want their drivers or code open-sourced, or we would probably be open source from day one. It's an ongoing conversation - and one we're happy to be leading.

* Android-x86.org does not today run properly on Intel Atom "Bay Trail" devices - they are working on that, as our we - but we're using different codebases and we're using licensed technology to make it work well.

We think our solution will work better, and is designed to dual-boot with Windows 8.1 (even in secure boot mode) out of the box. No hacking, no geekdom required. One installer and a few minutes of your time. It's designed for ordinary people.

* The iConsole Developer Kit, Unit 00, did ship - Engadget went hands-on with a shipping unit, and were generally impressed. The feedback we got from Tier 1 developers led us to build Console OS - so that app developers would have millions of devices quickly that they could scale and target. We'll have new hardware soon, we're waiting for some newer chips that aren't on the market just yet to resume shipping dev kits.

* We are not being directed or controlled by Intel. Assertions that we are an Intel operation are incorrect. We are using Intel licensed technology to make better solutions for existing PCs and PC Tablets - as well as new devices.

* Hundreds went hands-on with our demos at Intel's GDC, and at Mobile World Congress booths before that. They certainly aren't fake. And you'll be able to go hands-on soon too.

I'm not going to respond to naysaying posts that deride Console OS - I'm just here to share the facts and set the record straight. Thanks everyone (well, almost everyone).

ConsoleOS.com
[Windows 8 General] Miker1029:
check engadget 2013/05/13 iconsole-tv-x86-android-game-console

Ok I read it, What I don't get Is it Sounds Exactly Like the Android_X86 I have Installed on my Dell 1750?!?!?! There was absoulutly nothing special about what I read, I also have Linux Installed, and win 7 and win xp.... WTF??? Am I Just confused?

Mike

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Ya I noticed this a couple weeks after I started on Him on Android_X86.org, I was asked to back off so I did.....

Mike

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Im Sure you do, You know the Minute I was Directed here, The First Thing I did on every POSITIVE Message about this crap is look at your Sign Up Date, If You Haven't been here for 1+ Year (And That's Low) I'm not listening and I Suggest No One Else Does....

My Opinion Of Course, MAY 2014, PLEASE!

Mike
[Windows 8 General] Christopher Price:
So, the iConsole Developer Kit does a few things that were very compelling last year:

1) OpenGL ES 3.0 in a custom-tuned Intel Iris-tier graphics array

2) HDMI + DisplayPort optimizations - first 4K shipping Android

3) 64-bit Kernel out of the box

4) Dual Ethernet for LAN and ADB simultaneously

5) Everything in a tested, Android-certifiable box that outperforms any other dev kit out there

The feedback we got from the iConsole Developer Kit, was that developers wanted a large user base before they could scale their games and apps to handle the performance deltas we were giving them. As a startup, it's hard to guarantee user numbers - so we are focusing on software first, taking the stack we've been building for 18 months and getting it ready for existing OpenGL ES 3-ready PCs and PC Tablets.

And, that's what we're doing with Console OS today.

ConsoleOS.com
[Windows 8 General] Miker1029:
My opinion

You know what man, I got one for you, Why Don't you just put it out there and show an ACTUAL Product, PROOF!, Just a Little bit, You claim you paid for all these Proprietary drivers, Well Why don't you put out one product with these "Proprietary Drivers" that run on something that Android X_86 Don't run on?? My god stop talking already and show something.......

Your JUMPING Google's a$$ about android X86 using Proprietary Drivers, Trying to get the project shut down, THE PEOPLE ARE NOT STUPID, Especially, Tech Geeks....So Why don't you just give up, Cause XDA is really the wrong place for you to be, The Folks around here, can and will bring you down, WITH PROOF!!!

AND Everything your Doing is for a PRICE, Price, Hate to tell you but INTEL WOULD KILL TO HAVE ANDROID AND WINDOWS ON THE SAME SYSTEM!!!! THEY DON'T NEED YOU!!! What you REALLY think There going NO WE DON'T want android on or systems?? Are you nuts, They Would love to break the strangle hold Mr. Gates has on the PC world, and If they have to ALLOW Us to use Propriety drivers to do it they WILL!! And So Will Google that's why they aren't paying attention to your whining about Android_X86!!!

And Watch AMD, Radeon, They Will ALL Follow Suite... Hell they already are, Your just trying to make a buck before they get it done....

Don't Go Away Mad, Just GO AWAY!

Mike

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!s.../google-code-hosting/rGES4lO-bq0/N-51WAQZQgYJ

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/android-x86/Cq7McLWCYOs
[Windows 8 General] Christopher Price:
We've done live demos at two major tech conferences this year. Hands-on demos at GDC, MWC, and AnDevCon Boston. All at Intel's booth. Intel would not let us exhibit there if we were vaporware - they tested all our demos hands-on first.

Intel invited us to be their keynote ISV speaker at AnDevCon Boston. Hundreds of people use Console OS-powered laptops there.

What we have showed on YouTube are the same demos hundreds of people have gone hands-on with at those three trade shows.

ConsoleOS.com
[Windows 8 General] Miker1029:
Well Your going to Be Supporting SO MANY SYSTEMS, It's not gonna kill you to put one on the NET to DL and TEST, That's even AS good AS Android_X86 OR BETTER!!!!! Let's see ONE!!

Mike
[Windows 8 General] Christopher Price:
Watch the AnDevCon Boston Intel keynote, Intel Developer TV, or one of the many YouTube videos where bloggers went hands-on at MWC and GDC.

I would take any further assertions that we're vaporware with a massive grain of salt.

Our Kickstarter backers who pay for Console OS Pro are funding the development of Console OS. They'll get first access to Console OS.

ConsoleOS.com
[Windows 8 General] Miker1029:
And for Anyone interested, Go here: https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/google-code-hosting

And Search "X86" and it will show you "A PERSON" Trying to get Android_X86 Shut down, And who would have more reason?

Not Accusing, Just Putting it out there, Decide for yourselves, All the links I've posted are open for you to see, I suggest your read em you can see my line of thinking on this Entire Project (ConsoleOS), And the Entire thing started a couple months after I read a Post on Android_X86.org, Where Mr. Price Advised a Member that was looking For LIBHOUDINI that the "Links where removed due to violation and him advising the poster and anyone else not to host them), Then he started posting his crap on ConsoleOS and Went back AND Deleted his Statement as to cover his tracks so he could CLAIM he was on Android_X86 side...All links posted above, You decide, I'm interested in what the rest of the Community thinks......:cowboy:

Mike

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Don't wanna watch I WANNA SEE CODE!

Mike
[Windows 8 General] Christopher Price:
Also to clarify one other misconception earlier in this thread - Console OS is not an annual subscription. Console OS Standard will be free to download, upon the release of v1.0.

Console OS Pro will retail for around $19.99. We expect to ship one major upgrade per year. The differences between Pro and Standard are outlined at ConsoleOS.com.

But again, Console OS Standard will be

free to download and free to use

. If you are a skeptic, wait for v1.0. But Kickstarter backers will get Console OS Pro and free upgrades for life. And, as an added perk - they'll get to be our beta testers.

And that's why we're asking for $10 on our Kickstarter - we get funds to emerge Console OS with gusto, and you get Console OS Pro free for life. Backers also get to vote with their wallets and tell us what hardware we should support next.

ConsoleOS.com
[Windows 8 General] zabihjan:
I am confused I have already donated. I hope it is not a scam
[Windows 8 General] Miker1029:
Here's is the Post he went back and deleted from ADROID_X86.ORG When he started PREACHING his Commitment to the Project,,,

Mike
[Windows 8 General] Christopher Price:
Sent you a private message. I'm happy to answer any questions you may have here as well.

We have a few naysayers, clearly. But, my team has spent 18 months working night and day to make this happen. We're not going to let a small minority out speak the thousands that have voted with their wallets already.

There is clear demand for a drop-in, industry-licensed solution that makes PCs and PC Tablets seamlessly dual-boot Windows and Android without any modding. We're taking the CyanogenMod model and applying it to PCs.

And again, naysayers can download the free version when we hit v1.0. We're offering perks (lifetime Console OS Pro upgrades) and beta access to those that back Console OS Pro. Console OS Standard is what we intend to offer for free.

ConsoleOS.com
[Windows 8 General] fgdn17:
ya kind of strange that after working on something for 18 months all one can produce is "watch the video"...???

then when asked they mask it with oh we got NDA's / licensing / special insight / etc.

if you been at it that long and cannot produce a test build for doubters to try....that says it all...IMO
[Windows 8 General] Christopher Price:
Again, we've let people go hands on. Hundreds of people at multiple trade shows. See my past comments in this very thread.

We have some licensing bills that have to be paid before we can release. Hence, Kickstarter.

ConsoleOS.com