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[Galaxy S 5 Accessories] fizzgig656:
3 pins or 2

do you know why some receivers have 3 connectors and others have 2? does this make a difference?

I have used a 3 terminal version of the titan on the first page, it worked ok for a week or so, took a goot 6hrs to charge, nfc worked. but now it wont charge. not sure if its the receiver or pad.
[Galaxy S 5 Accessories] kms108:
For the powerqi receiver, the old version does not have the bypass connectors, only the new updated version has it, the old version is slightly less bulge when used.
[Galaxy S 5 Accessories] kms108:
I get all my stock from china, from local shops and the manufacturer direct, but thats is not possible for you, a bit of google will get you all the information, I have also posted a link in this thread, contact them and ask for the new version (old version does not have the bypass contact), as I said, all the information is within the thread, even the information on the old and new version.

word of advice, stock from fonesalesman are made from the same company, it's justs OEM/ODM, but very overpriced, look for the link, and information on how to obtain one at a fraction of the price.
[Galaxy S 5 Accessories] yoonus:
Whats the advantage to having bypass connectors?
[Galaxy S 5 Accessories] eSSeMM:
Tylt VU-Mate NFC Problems

Since I installed a TYLT VU-Mate in my S5 I have been unable to make any NFC payments with the phone.

Last night I tested it at a new retailer (Tesco) and got an error that it detected 2 cards in the phone.

I have emailed Tylt .....

:(
[Galaxy S 5 Accessories] eSSeMM:
Tylt haven't bothered to reply to my request for help. If you need NFC then I would avoid this receiver.

I have now swapped to using the Samsung Charger Cover.
[Galaxy S 5 Accessories] eulae:
This is a very helpful thread!

I have a no name qi receiver and pad, photos attached, and it does what it's supposed to do (sometimes it heats/warms up-not hot, sometimes it doesn't, depends on the position I put it on the pad) until I had this realization after reading this thread. It may have affected my NFC! Prior to having my charger, I've had a chance to use my NFC but just the other night, my bf and I were trying to share a video but can't connect via NFC. We thought thay it may be because I am using an S5 and him a Z2 so we just discarded the thought of using the NFC. And thinking about it now, it may be the culprit. Hmmm.. Well, just sharing. Hehe. Will give an update after I test it without the receiver..

Thanks!

Update: Tried it using my brother's S4. It's working. Hehe. Maybe it was just because of the difference in brand? Hmmm..

By the way, some added info, aside from heating up depending on the position on the pad and I think also of the weather, it's also somewhat bulky resulting to a gap in the camera area of the cover; though it becomes unnoticeable due to my otterbox commuter case. And mentioning my case, it works perfectly fine with my case on. ?
[Galaxy S 5 Accessories] androidbotz:
First and foremost, a ginormous thanks to kms108 for giving life to this thread and also, to all the many contributors for their invaluable input.

Chanced upon this thread while searching feverishly, for information about suitable receivers for the S5 (SM-G901F). Hopefully, someone would be able to advice or share, his/her knowledge and experience on the following setup -

I have ordered Metrans MWT03 transmitter and wish to find out which one of the below mentioned 3 receivers would be best suited in terms of good compatibility, sensitivity, heat dispersion and good charging time with this pad.

Receivers that have caught my attention are # 2, 3 and 6 from the first page. Also, receiver #2 is this still abailable? Searched powerqi website but couldn't find it...:confused:

Thanks in advance and keep it coming!
[Galaxy S 5 Accessories] kms108:
The transmitter you have selected is consider a good one, did you get the normal one or the S version, S version having aluminum suroundings and comes with a power adapter, apart from that it's the same.

I have all the Metrans transmitter apart from the MWT01, my Metrans includes MWT02, MWT03/MWT03S, W5000 and W10000, not to sure if there is any new ones out yet.

Of all the receiver tested, I like the 2nd one, it's the only one that you can position the phone direct in the center, whiles the rest, you have to position the phone to one side.

For the third one, it's a little weak on the detection, but with your transmitter, you shouldn't worry that much, metrans makes reasonable good charger, whiles their receiver are kind of crap.

The six one, is only good if you require the use of a flip case.

2 and 6 produce less heat, as the receiver used copper strands.

As for the time to charge, all receivers should have the same charging time, the amount of current is controlled by the phone, and not the receiver.

hope this helps.
[Galaxy S 5 Accessories] androidbotz:
Many thanks for the reply.

I have ordered MWT03t without the "S". Did quite a bit of research before ordering. Read reviews after reviews and people were generally of the view that the performance of this transmitter was good and stable and more importantly, fell within my budget. It's further reassuring to know from you that it is indeed a good transmitter as I still had doubts.

As for the receiver, my research led me to this thread and am pretty glad at finding it. Would you have any idea if receiver 2 it still being sold by PowerQi? Their website seems to only advertise receiver 3.

Also on the side note, (apologies, as this thread is mainly intended for receivers) what is your opinion on PowerQi transmitters as I intend to get another one for my home.

Thanks & Regards
[Galaxy S 5 Accessories] kms108:
If you have the intention to get another transmitter from powerqi, consider the T300, it's a three coil transmitter, so its has a better detection rate.

For the receiver, I will contact powerqi, I sometime get stock direct from them.
[Galaxy S 5 Accessories] androidbotz:
Thanks very much for your advice. Looking forward to your reply on the receiver.

Rgds.

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kms108, any idea what is the difference between the number 3 (model: N500) and the latest one (N500A)?

Thanks
[Galaxy S 5 Accessories] kms108:
For the 3rd one, since I pointed out it was a sample from powerqi, they have released a updated version which supports the use of a flip case with contact on both sides of the connectors.

The downside is the IC is positioned a little high just under the flash and sensor.

These are the rebadged version of the powerqi, majoriy of the ebay stuff are OEM

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Eco-Qi-Wire...489?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item2a3fe71219

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Adattatore-...4?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_101&hash=item3f4476a15e

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Eco-Qi-Wire...489?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item2a3fe71219

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Qi-Infinity...261?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item20f9e6fcd5

any information about qi that sellers are stating about faster charging, this is just a load of crap.
[Galaxy S 5 Accessories] DroidinAndStuff:
Nice would be to include their indicated charging current with each model. If Samsung brand wireless back for the S5 is any indication, installing it will get you the full 1.9 amps of charging but you lose the ability to put it in any protective cases I've tried, at least without some dremel surgery. The Samsung backs are much thicker, at least for the S4.

Do any of these charge at the 1.9-2.0 amps? Cost on each unit?
[Galaxy S 5 Accessories] kms108:
No QI wireless charging will get you pass 1A.
[Galaxy S 5 Accessories] androidbotz:
Thanks for the update. I now have a better understanding after going through this thread and have shortlisted to receiver #2. Btw, many of the receivers that you have posted on the first page of this thread are readily available from aliexpress as well (after much googling), at a fraction of the cost with free shipping, at least, for the part of the world where I stay. Once again, many thanks for sharing your valuable knowledge with us and please, keep up the good work.

God bless.
[Galaxy S 5 Accessories] Titus_Andronicus:
I have a cheapo receiver off ebay. It works fine with my cheapo base from ebay. Possitioning is important, I guess better basses help with this.

It is 2mm thick at the thickest point (0.08inches). It bulges the case a bit. I am not worried about the bulg, but am worried that the IP67 rating is ruined.

Anyone have thickness measurements for other QI receivers?
[Galaxy S 5 Accessories] fmaorui:
Bought one of these. NFC function still works really well.
[Galaxy S 5 Accessories] s5fan:
I got one question. I'm looking for the thinnest receiver and you have mentioned that number 3:

image: i60.tinypic.[COM]/o8avzt.jpg

is the thinnest one you have tested so far.

It seems that they have released new version of the same receiver that looks like this:

image: g04.a.alicdn.[COM]/kf/HTB1N8rPHXXXXXcuaXXXq6xXFXXXX/202878826/HTB1N8rPHXXXXXcuaXXXq6xXFXXXX.jpg?size=79551&height=800&width=800&hash=b8430432ee9662df5ff8a66c34e663c2

Did you try it? Is it the same thickness ? It seems that this new version supports NFC.
[Galaxy S 5 Accessories] kms108:
The new one has the ic position under the flash, making it slightly pop up.

Both works with nfc.
[Galaxy S 5 Accessories] s5fan:
Thanks a lot. I guess I will try to get the old version :)

Also can you recommend any charging pad for this receiver?

I've seen some 3 coils chargers. Are they worth the extra $ ?
[Galaxy S 5 Accessories] mwrobe1:
Hmmm....I've been using the RAV Power wafer ($7.99) http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00OL6WXEU?psc=1&redirect=true&ref_=oh_aui_detailpage_o05_s00

With this case : http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00KB9AWEE?psc=1&redirect=true&ref_=oh_aui_detailpage_o05_s00

With no issues since I've had my GS5. Pretty nice combo for under $25 IMO.
[Galaxy S 5 Accessories] jjwalker2:
Does anyone know where i can buy the Yijieneng one for a S5?
[Galaxy S 5 Accessories] kms108:
You can buy direct from yijieneng, but it will be quite expensive, or you can try ebay, it may be rebadged to a different name, as yijieneng mainly use there name with product sold direct in china, even in china it's not easy to find.
[Galaxy S 5 Accessories] oscaroktober:
Sorry for bumping this thread, but what would be the best choice overall? I prefer the have as little bulge as possible, and it would be great if it stays IP67. Searched for #3, as that would seem the best choice as it's the thinnest, but couldn't find it. So which one should I get?
[Galaxy S 5 Accessories] Looking Glass:
Want or need IP67? Stay with the manufacturer's.

Wireless charging is still controversial. i.e. LG no longer bundles it in their flagship devices, (G4) only as an option. And the same applies to IP67 in Samsung, USB 3.0......

Looks like this is the reason for this thread to languish....

Regards.
[Galaxy S 5 Accessories] oscaroktober:
Not really, would just be a plus. I prefer being able to use every case I like over IP67 though.
[Galaxy S 5 Accessories] Looking Glass:
Then no need to constrain yourself, go with what you think fits best to your preferences, there are plenty of options......... just read and try.

Regards
[Galaxy S 5 Accessories] James.Markham0757:
Thanks for this. Helps out a lot
[Galaxy S 5 Accessories] sdfgsteve:
I've just contacted Fonesalesman about the SlimPWRCard (http://www.amazon.co.uk/S5-SlimPWRc...p/B00F3J2KNI/ref=cm_cr_pr_product_top?ie=UTF8) about its power output. They tell me that it's 650mA, but they also said that that's the maximum that the S5 can draw. I've seen others at 1000mA, so I'm just wondering if anyone gets that with those higher powered cards, or whether what Fonesalesman tell me is true? I've been looking at getting a more high powered one.
[Galaxy S 5 Accessories] Looking Glass:
I've a Fonesalesman card for LG G4 and it's working like a charm.

Don't trust every claim of manufacturers regarding output..... numbers that no one is able to check.

My two cents on that?: Check the number of stars -or whatever other poll from actual buyers- regarding your desired product, and buy accordingly.

Regards.
[Galaxy S 5 Accessories] kms108:
That because fonesalesman is not the manufacture, all the wireless stuff they sell, they know nothing about them, they just pay for a rebadged product.

with all these wireless stuff, the charging current is limited by the phone and not the receiver.
[Galaxy S 5 Accessories] Looking Glass:
Just for learning, (I'm NOT a technical in this issue) What is the limiting factor in the phones related to Wireless charging?

I've tried several chargers/combinations/cables/brands, etc., and usually, for the same phone, the charging rate has varied a lot. That means, to me, that charger/receiver brand, positioning and quality are all factors. I've never felt that I reached any limit, at least not one even near to USB charging current.

Thanks for your advice.
[Galaxy S 5 Accessories] kms108:
Although most top of the range galaxy models support wireless charging, the actual phone for each model has their limit lock by Samsung, and you are correct, that many factor does contribute to the charging status or compatible issues, but there is one thing that is clear, no wireless charging will reach the speed of the USB through a power plug.
[Galaxy S 5 Accessories] sdfgsteve:
Precisely what I'm asking!

Yeah, that's what I've read too, so I'm trying to find what the maximum I can get is. Not so bothered about how close it is to USB.

It would be nice to know the maximum people have got, and with what combination, or failing that what that magical locked limit is.
[Galaxy S 5 Accessories] Looking Glass:
Kind of "one million dollar" question.

I've never heard before of manufacturers "phisical" limits by themselves (I think actual technology is already a limit by itself) but my experience shows, based on monitoring programs, that you will "NEVER" get more than 30% of the USB charging current in the BEST scenario: Original USB Charger, original USB cable, Original Coil receiver and a good battery. (down from 2.000 mA rated chargers)

Add to that the precise positioning on the charger, and the initial level of the battery (yes, it also affects, don't ask me why) and you have the ideal use for wireless charging: overnight.

But please, don't take my words as a "complain", I ended up with some 5 wireless chargers around the home/car for my Phone (and my wife's too), just be realistic on your expectations.

Hope it helps.

Regards.
[Galaxy S 5 Accessories] sdfgsteve:
Not really, it's all relative, which would be fine if there was a base measurement for the USB charger. Also, this thread is specifically not about the original coil receiver (which seems to be universally disregarded as of lower quality than the alternatives). Plus, if you're using three coil pads, then ideal positioning doesn't matter as much. See, I've read through every single post on both threads about these things, and none of them talk about hard numbers, and that's what I'm asking for. At the very least if I know that someone has got over 650mA then I'll know that it is better to look at higher rated third party, not original, coils. :) If not, then it's better to look for the best fitting coils.
[Galaxy S 5 Accessories] Looking Glass:
Well, thas all about it..... 650/2000 mA ............ aprox 30%, about the same máximum I've mentioned. The numbers match.

Regards.
[Galaxy S 5 Accessories] sdfgsteve:
So is 650 all you've measured using Ampere or other similar software?
[Galaxy S 5 Accessories] Looking Glass:
Yes, GSam battery monitor, but as mentioned, this is about the máximum I've got in "real" life. That's why I mentioned the 30% limit.......

Regards.
[Galaxy S 5 Accessories] sdfgsteve:
I got the Fonesalesman one, it chargers at 760mA with a cheap 3 quid single coil pad. :P Now I just need to find either a pad with an NFC tag in it, or an NFC tag that doesn't get fried when I stick it on the charging pad.
[Galaxy S 5 Accessories] Looking Glass:
I moved to an LG G4 since this thread was opened, and my actual fonesalesman card coil replaces de LG NFC chip antenna (in the LG back cover) too...... not as the S5 that keep its own antenna.

http://www.amazon.es/G4-SlimPWRpatc...8&sr=8-1&keywords=lg+g4+fonesalesman+wireless

I never tried the NFC, so I can't say how it works.

Regards.
[Galaxy S 5 Accessories] Choaglund50:
Wireless charging with Element recon Case

Update!

Quote:

Originally Posted by Choaglund50

My Galaxy S5 is now charging with Element Recon black ops case. I bought the Element Recon Black Ops case ($14 on Ebay), with just the PC back. (No metal back, no accessories). I also got the Qifull receiver and 3 coil charging pad. Put it all together and it worked fine first time. I don't know how long it will take to charge, but the phone recognized the charger and seems to be charging. The stock back cover had a slight lump from the receiver, but after installing the Element case you can't tell it's there. The case fits tight like it did before. I'm sure the Element Recon Chroma would work as well. I've yet to install my TechArmor ballistic glass screen protector. Hopefully it will fit too with no problems.

P.S. it charged 2% in the time it took to post this message. 7 minutes (52%-54%)

I installed my screen protector with no problems. Install was very quick and trouble free. No interference with the case. As for wireless charging, phone went from 52% to full in an hour to two hours. I wasn't really watching it for the last hour. Didn't here a beep, but I was in the other room eating dinner at the time.
[Galaxy S 5 Accessories] Corbu:
Sorry for bumping the thread, but which receiver is the one to get now? I am using a charger with 3 coils and the only thing I want is the least amount of bulge especially around the camera. I am NOT using an S-View Case and I don't really mind if I loose NFC although it would be nice to have it working with the wireless charger.

From what I can see, 2 models stand out: Tylt SAGS5ECT VU-Mate Wireless Charge Receiver S5 or the S5 SlimPWRcard - 0.5mm Ultra Thin Qi Receiver Card Module for Samsung Galaxy S5.

Are there any other options? Which one should I get?
[Galaxy S 5 Accessories] Looking Glass:
This thread is all about it, you have to make your own desition at some point,..... :) your choices are good, you'll be satisfied with any of them.... ¡Happy new year!

Regards.
[Galaxy S 5 Accessories] JusTalk:
Thanks for show the detial of reciever. I have a wireless charger may work on it.:D
[Galaxy S 5 Accessories] kms108:
if your charger is qi compatible, it should work, there is only one receiver on the market which works with PMA, but this receiver is pretty hard to find, I only have one of these for testing, but the quality is excellent and very thick.
[Galaxy S 5 Accessories] ansariaamir_leo:
I was wondering if I could use a wireless charger. I'll look for this in the market. Thank You for this informative post! :)
[Galaxy S 5 Accessories] Asura24:
Thx for the info, definitely helped me a lot.
[Galaxy S 5 Accessories] Pleson:
If you bought it from ebay, it looks like a reasonable price.
[Galaxy S 5 Accessories] Kiriakos-GR:
I do not think that it is that smart.

The proper answer this is that the phone will use as much energy the receiver this is capable to receive.

But there is even a better answer than my first one.

The receiver will deliver as much current possible according to wire thickness that the coil this is made of.

Another unspoken truth, this is that Samsung receivers them DO NOT make direct contact with internal battery body,

eventually Li-ion stays much cooler and lives longer.

In summary most to all after market receiver pads, them are cell phone battery destroyers.

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There is some one to blame about the fact that there is no hard numbers ( published product specifications by Samsung).

While the chip inside S5 responsible for power management (enable/ disable / sleep mode of all sensors , WiFi, back light, etc etc, for it Samsung it did distribute product specifications.

But for the second chip responsible for battery charging (which supposedly this is far complex and also supposedly this is three chips in one) they never published anything, at least over the internet.

Searched hard me to find out percentage of accuracy that charging circuitry reports when this is acceded by software, and I find nothing or almost nothing.

This first chip in S5 responsible for power management in most cases this has an accuracy of 1% to 4% when this chip gets stressed.

Therefore I can only assume that the charging chip, this will be also close to such specification.

Possibly Samsung afraid copycats and hiding everything about this charging chip.
[Galaxy S 5 Accessories] Kiriakos-GR:
Since today I have my own story or lesson, of what to expect from a low cost and problematic Qi pad.

Ordered unbranded EP-PG920I Qi charging pad & spotted unexpected QC issues
[Galaxy S 5 Accessories] puterdoc:
Just my results. I have had the flat rectangle, the little coaster one, and now added a car one, with a no name china receiver. Just checked and all mine show 760ma. Now the key I have found is the power source. The third party ac to usb adapters were not strong enough to do the trick. I had to use the Samsung adapters that came with the phone. Must provide 2A to the charge units or they just don't work. The most responsive is definitely the car cradle, and second was the coaster one. 760ma still ranks in the 1/3 area of discussion, but when I use a standard cable to charge I only got 480 ma so it is better for me. Its not the 1200-1800ma you get from stock cable and charge. My stuff gets pretty hot at the 760 rate. couldn't imagine faster or my phone would prob melt.

Added note: At 760ma, it is enough to keep screen running and gps program and call use while still charging. If I used a substandard adapter or cable direct to the phone I get the 480ma range in the car which still drains the battery with such use. So the 600ma range sounds about the break even point if not closer to 700 and I get that from all properly powered Qi sources.
[Galaxy S 5 Accessories] Kiriakos-GR:
You heavily speculating regarding your note.

1) Qualcomm never added true mA measurement to S5.

2) Charging system or power consumption status, this is presented at the user in the form of a car gear box.

Gear one = 450mA (consumption mode / PC USB charging )

Gear two = 740mA ( exclusively visible when Qi charging takes action)

Gear three = 1000mA ( No-Samsung charger & back light= On)

Gear four = 1200mA ( Samsung charger & back light= On)

Gear five = 1700 or 1800mA ( Samsung charger & good cable, back light=OFF ( Or S-view cover closed)

This is what I have charted down so far, if there is other few steps between those charted their variation it is not significant.

Additionally I will say that is not possible to measure incoming voltage and current and make thoughts of what is happening.

For S5 incoming voltage & current this is plain incoming energy in Watt, internal circuitry using this sum of energy to convert it and feed charging circuitry or live components.

Possibly some one can find the truth of how much power the phone using, only if you power it up with out battery by the use of just the power block.

I have not try that yet.
[Galaxy S 5 Accessories] puterdoc:
These numbers make even more sense to me as my screen shows the 760ma reported when wireless charging, but once the screen is off it is full charge in no time. I would say easily better that double the 480ma speed from non-fast charger cable. I do not know if charging amperage and time is constant or exponential ie: 480ma at 10mins = 960ma at 5min. Am now wondering just how much higher the rate is once the screen goes blank on wireless. How did you come by these numbers, and is there an app that logs once the screen is off?

Thanks for the numbers