yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S 5] ddizzy81:
No one?
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S 5] raw2000j:
Wifi calling and mms dont work on any 3rd party text app chomp go sms or whatevet only on stock app
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S 5] ddizzy81:
Not WiFi calling. I just have WiFi on and connected. I turned off WiFi calling
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S 5] Chuki82:
T mobile doesn't support mms via WiFi. Disable that setting in any 3rd party app.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S 5] watchout5:
I spoke with a T Mobile rep about this and did some redditing. The problem is MMS in "3rd party" clients which even includes programs like hangouts and text secure. If you're not on their network the picture will not come through because when the server checks your connection it will only see your wifi and it won't think your wifi is authorized to see the picture. T Mobile support was only so helpful, they said they'd consider fixing it in a future patch for the phone so unless you flash a custom ROM you won't get this resolved any sooner. To view the picture turn off wifi for a second. I want a freaking data credit for that bull****. Charge me by the GB then force me to use their connection to use my phone? Boo hiss.
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] ks3rv3rg:
What happened to the bounty thread? I don't see any moderator warnings. Either way, it's literally had 1000 views in a day so maybe it's drawing more attention. The anticipation is killer!

edit: well now there's a mod message. Bummer. Although I understand and respect the mods decision. So basically we're in the same boat as we were when the thread was open. Once an exploit is discovered it'll, most likely, be reopened and the developer will get their recognition and reward. My bounty donation remains the same and I hope all others will follow suit.
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] dejahboi:
There were multiple warnings throughout the thread. I don't usually post anything but just linger and it always got off topic pretty fast. I can see why it's just inconvenient to do a routine cleanup everyday.

Anyways, I hope it comes back online as I've been trying to gather as much knowledge and start working on it myself, but "trolls" and unnecessary arguments are very unproductive. If you have opinion and has nothing to do with the thread...easy thing to do...keep it to yourself.

Time to get back to research.
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] spotmark:
What do you think happened to it? Warning after, after warning, after warning, and people refused to adhere to the rules. I'd be surprised if it gets reopened again. Too many chances have been given. The pledges are there, if any devs can crack it, they know what is waiting for them. Personally, I don't think it's going to happen.
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] davidstre:
Let's start a bounty for anyone who can figure out how to unlock the bounty thread. I pledge a cool $1.00
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] dlscott1111:
I think everyone is just frustrated in the bounty thread. It's kind of parodoxical. The devs have to work in secret to get the root out fast. But there's a huge desire to know progress right now.

So when there's no news to talk about, everyone starts bickering with each other and the thread gets shut down every few days.

I think the pledgers and the devs are both shooting for the same goal and the devs are probably getting as frustrated as the pledgers. Hope everyone can chill out so this thing can get done. My 2 cents.
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] ks3rv3rg:
Well said. Mods generally leave a final message which is why I'm confused. I hope it comes back too. I realize that there were many off topic posts but recently they had been better and, if nothing, informative. I am happy to read through interesting discussion even if it isn't completely pertinent to the threads topic. It's the trolls that I mind... and if there had been any new root information I belive it would be apparent by reading the last page or two... but of course, all this is debatable and what I'd really like to see is people who are motivated and encouraging of the fact that the dev who cracks this phone will get a great payout.
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] kenkamm:
I think it's funny that people just simply cannot resist the urge to post something outside the guidelines of the thread. It's not that hard, people! I posted my pledge and then kept my mouth shut because I didn't have anything else to contribute toward a rooting solution. Seems like a pretty simple rule to me.
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] spuniun:
Pretty sure the troll threatening legal action for not getting the bounty for his "hardware exploit" was the final straw.
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] ks3rv3rg:
Very true, there are many knowledgeable and talented members of xda who, I imagine, would be far more vocal if the masses weren't.
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] ks3rv3rg:
Ah yes, good call. That's so unfortunate...
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] warriorpluto:
Lol I think that guy did that on purpose to shut the thread down. He was literally talking out of his azz
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] ks3rv3rg:
darn... I would really hope that one obvious troll wouldn't get the whole thing shut down... ban that fool!
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] Demiurge7:
Bounty

Yes, shut down for many reasons - namely, the inability to follow the guidelines and keep irrelevant chatter to a minimum. There were repeated warnings, temporary closures, etc. I fully understand and agree with the administrative choice to close it down, especially after regular cleanings and more warnings than I could count (and the scammer... that was odd). I feel like a bit of a failure on the whole deal, but really tried my best to keep things in line (much of it in PM's trying to politely remind folks to keep the posts within the guidelines and relevant)...ultimately, there was only so much I could do.

After speaking with mods, it looks like it could be reopened upon an exploit being found. So, where it will not continue to grow (officially), it could return upon a method being found.

I hope and encourage everyone to adhere to their pledges, so that the 18k will still stand (in theory) for any developer still digging for an exploit

. Just because the thread is gone, does not mean that our pledges are... and it would stand to benefit us all by keeping this in mind and adhering to our individual promise.

Given the popularity of the thread, most everyone was awesome... courteous, patient, polite, and within the posting guidelines. It is just unfortunate the poor actions of a few, affected the many (in this case). Thanks to everyone who helped and contributed.

I would think taking any RELEVANT root discussions and collaborations to the original status on root/custom recover/bootloader thread. But please, keep on track there!

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Yeah, I think he was banned as soon as the mods made it over to the thread. Several reported his first post immediately (including myself), so I am sure he is no longer.

I think he was just trying to scam us. His english reminded me of those scam letters you get from Africa, asking if you want 35million dollars for a paltry transfer fee. Pretty foolish if you ask me. I considered posting a warning "do not paypal this guy anything", but figured we were obviously all smart enough not to do that.

I mean, a 1968 patent for something pretty irrelevant as proof? Comon now. It seemed more of an insult to our intelligence than a clever scam.
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] barondebxl:
It was gonna close sooner or later because ppl dont seem to take those warnings seriously. Im glad they closed it, let the devs do their thing and reopen it if/when an exploit is found.
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] davidstre:
You are not a failure. You spearheaded a great fundraising effort that brought in nearly 20k. You succeeded.

The failure came in from nearly every other user. Every off topic post resulted in multiple posts flaming that one off topic. The failure came from users who couldn't refrain from posting self righteously. You were failed by this community. If we do get root it will be thanks to the motivation your fundraising offers developers.

Root has come so fast for so long that we all forget it takes work. It is easy to hit the thanks button on a root thread but when it came time to practice patience and respect while waiting for an exploit everyone fell apart. I read numerous posts insulting your effort and have dealt with similar posts on my petition thread. It makes you wonder if XDA is even a community anymore or just a bunch of brats looking to take from the talented, bicker, and whine.

Anyway, thanks for your contribution.
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] Demiurge7:
Incredibly well put, sir. I whole-heartedly agree, and very much appreciate it.

Faith restored :)
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] Crooke356:
I had to stop checking the thread out as often as I'd liked. It was one of those things where as a kid you'd cover your eyes during a scary movie and leave a crack open so you could just barely see the dead guy. That was me checking in once every day or two. Knowing I'd see something that shouldn't be there and seeing you calmly explaining the rules (again) and calmly explaining all the previous warnings (again) and that if the off topic comments continued, the thread would likely be closed. Anyway, thanks for your effort. It's appreciated. Your attitude through it all is even more appreciated. If only it had rubbed off.
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] Demiurge7:
:laugh: I hear you!

Your right, its not a failure - I dont mean it to seem dramatic... Im just a user, but have never been motivated to start a thread - and therefore new to it. Given noob status in this way, its hard to know if I was doing things right. I put forth effort (especially as it progressed quickly), and took it seriously...though regularly wondering if 'its too much or too little', and with inconsistent feedback (some of which from trolls)... so I appreciate hearing from level-heads very much, and thank you.

Mods are great here, I must say. As long as XDA continues with the standards they set, there will always be success on these forums. Very helpful, responsive, and fair. You, and many others here were also extremely helpful from the beginning (open1your1eyes0), so its definitely been a collective effort.

... well, literally a collective effort
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] ks3rv3rg:
I see no failure by the bounty op whatsoever. [MENTION=4343326]Demiurge7[/MENTION] you helped set the bar for what we value so much, root. If anything I'd hope this has also restored the faith of devs out there. Despite trolls a lack of thanks, there are people willing to recognize the hard work and donate accordingly.

Also, my donation absolutely still stands and I hope all others will as well.
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] barondebxl:
I dont have the device anymore but my donation still stands. In fact i may increase it when root is achieved.
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] Dennisg34:
I should show everyone the messages this guy was sending. Basically. Because of his background with that satellite hack, he had to move away from the US and lives in Costa Rica. Said this hack is also the reason for the missing MH flight from the Philippines as well saying th2 US govt wanted those doctors or some crap. Complete nut case
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] elliwigy:
lol so a thread about the bounty thread.. what an awesome topic lol. now u can have all the trolls from the bounty thread come in here now.
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] ks3rv3rg:
Like you? Speaking of unnecessary troll like posts... as far as I can tell, I was asking a relevant question and the responses given have been very supportive and encouraging of the bounty thread op and people's desire to see root accomplished despite rude folks who can't seem to keep their mouths shut...ahem. It's posts like yours that had the other shutdown.
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] ks3rv3rg:
I think that guy sent pms to everyone that posted regarding his "hack". I got one as well. it's such a shame that people will act such a fool when there are literally hundreds of others who all have the same goal...
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] ks3rv3rg:
One thing I can say for sure; I'm stoked for having been involved in building the largest bounty to date. I think people forget that it's pretty fascinating to be where we are as users and have the device we have. Seemingly one of the most secure in history. To watch extremely talented and intelligent developers challenge themselves is great to observe. It's like a basketball game; the most talented individuals coordinating and competing for the next level. Awesome.
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] cyberace1985:
im kind of surprised the thread wasn't mostly locked to begin with and just had them posted to the thread
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] Dennisg34:
Well since I work third shift I had seen his comment right away and PMd him asking about details of this 'root' to which he began his crazy comments Lol and demanding the bounty..bahaha
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] ks3rv3rg:
That is an interesting thought. Maybe going about it with a zero tolerance approach. Anything other than pledges would be deleted. Seems that any kind of discussion would inevitably lead to off topic posts so say no discussion at all. The only real drawback there is the constant attention it would probably need from mods which wouldnt be a very effective use of their resources.

Ohh, one idea would be to use a voting style setup the forums often use. You simply have the option to choose the amount you want to donate via a dropdown menu then click submit. Your pledge is registered and no one is even able to talk much less go off topic.
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] KaM1KaZ3:
Just Odin a recovery.. Do I collect now? ?
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] cyberace1985:
maybe if the OP of said thread were granted moderation for just that thread you could take the workload off the mods. the poll system is nice but then how do you do the odd donations like the few who did high level donations?
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] Russ77:
i have to say it is a phenomenon that I've only ever seen here where a single off-topic post is met with 5 to 10 rather harsh and stern comments about cluttering up threads with off-topic comments. somehow 5~10 replies is NOT clutter?

I am a moderator on a medium sized RC car forum and a member on several sports car forums, and I really don't see that type of commentary anywhere else.
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] ks3rv3rg:
That's also a smart idea. I would think there would be a field where you could enter any number you want then submit it. The op would receive and add the submissions accordingly.
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] ks3rv3rg:
I've noticed that as well. I was a moderator for an online game and there we would see similar situations but one could attribute it to the age group involved in playing the game. But on other forums that I'm a member; diesel truck, welding, mountain biking to name a few, you'll find one or so flaming replies but it's finished after that. A phenomenon indeed.
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] inebriat3d:
not sure if this has been mentioned yet... but has anyone thought about contacting these guys? https://isios7jailbrokenyet.com/ ? I mean.. didn't JCase himself state that he would come back to working on bounties if there was a legit way to collect? seems like these guys are doing it right.. with all the time an energy being spent on these posts you'd think some of it could be directed towards coming up with a good way to secure the monies for this and future android bounties to encourage those to work on exploits. just a thought. my apologies if this is the wrong thread for this thought.
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] ks3rv3rg:
That is a great idea. The platform is powered by https://www.threshold.is pretty sweet! I believe this is exactly the kind of thing we need!
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] inebriat3d:
yeah i saw it last night while on /r/jailbreak. i tweeted @ them, but did not see what actually powered the platform. now we need someone with more ambition than myself to get the ball rolling on this.
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] ks3rv3rg:
Well I just emailed them asking for more information so we'll see how it goes.
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] elliwigy:
has anyone ever thought of creating an apk where ppl can download an app and submit their donations there? make it to where only devs can post updates n donators can keep up on progress without the flaming as well as a way to collect and keep track of bounty.. just a thought.. n i wasnt trollin earlier just thought a bounty? thread after bounty thread got closed as well as theres a post from the mod who closed it and why it was closed was a bit much...

edit: This "apk" could also be used for any bounty.. it would just need someone legit or some way to hold the funds until said bounty is achieved n if not money could go back to where it came from.
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] KennyG123:
This is not possible with our current version of vBulletin.

Apologies..when our team received reports it should have been cleaned more thoroughly. Members should have been advised to not comment back but to use the report button to get a moderator to clean that one post. Replying and commenting on off-topic posts only creates more work for our volunteer staff.
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] jcase:
Those guys are controversial, and many of us disagree with their business practices.
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] cyberace1985:
The concept is nice but the methods might be controversial... But the idea of a safe lock box so devs like you won't be cheated out of a donation for your work.
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] inebriat3d:
this is basically why i brought it up.. i was unaware of any shady dealings.. i thought the shadiness was with evad3rs.. didn't realize it included those in charge of the "prize"
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] davidstre:
In regards to legitimatizing the bounty...

Maybe we ought to look into legalzoom. We could put the money into a paypal or whatever type of account and pair it with a contract that says if root is'nt found in X amount of days all money must be paid back to the donors. We could put a trusted MOD in charge. No, it isn't full proof but it does put some type of consequence on the table if someone stole.

I'm no lawyer and have no dealings in private sector fundraising. This is just a thought.
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] warriorpluto:
Everyone should just be patient and wait. I know the big companies are paying the hackers for finding the exploits but what happened to just finding exploits for a hobby? Now it's come down to big big money lol just wait for someone to find time and do it for free. This whole thing is ridiculous if you really think about it. Might have root before the year ends. Never know.there is nothing wrong with whomever finds the exploit to get paid, but just look how this stuff is looking. A circus. Just grab an htc m8 and sit the s5 in the drawer until root is found.That's what I'm about to do.
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] spuniun:
I think the larger consequence is the potential legal action that Samsung/Verizon/AT&T could exact on any party taking an official role in such an effort. Regardless of how a suit might play out, companies such as those could effectively bury anyone or any company that was directly involved in sponsoring an official bounty. Paypal and any other service provider would likely freeze the assets the second they received a C&D and not even bother reviewing if any laws were in fact broken. XDA barely tolerates bounty threads for largely the same reason I expect; they just have the benefit of not being directly involved in any of the details but I guarantee they'd purge that thread in a hot-second if they received even a sneeze from a major corporation's legal department regarding the issue.
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] davidstre:
I'm not questioning the situation, I'm questioning your extremely precise time frames regarding with and without bounty. Since you were being so specific I thought you might have a source, not just a twitter account.
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] Dennisg34:
Go back and read his original comment, not sure where your 8 months part derived from. It was one of those "educated" guesses. Like when someone says, "I'll bet you a million dollars..."

I guess the veteran devs who work on this stuff, their twitters (which tweets public information for all to see) aren't a reliable source as to their opinion on this?
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] spuniun:
The most well known veteran security experts with more than a few Android exploits under their belts have been very publicly vocal about

not

actively working on an exploit for the VZW/ATT SGS5 for a variety of reasons.
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] warriorpluto:
Source? Who are these other experts?
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] spuniun:
Twitter and IRC - same folks mentioned many times in all these threads here.
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] gf113:
I'm curious about what reasons they have for not working on these devices.
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] warriorpluto:
That's what I want to know
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] kprice8:
Probably has to do with the great lengths that Samsung and VZW/ATT went to, to keep these devices like, well, Fort Knox....
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] spuniun:
On the one hand, the device is exceptionally secure and the work it would take to find an exploit far exceeds any reward they might gain - most do not feel the current bounty system is assured enough to warrant trust in its payout. Additionally, Samsung et al have bug reporting back channels that pay real money for discovered security holes.

On the other hand, the community here on XDA are somewhat disrespectful towards a lot of the folks that are in the know and openly challenge their feedback with regularity or make demanding, entitled statements that turn those folks off from helping the community.

And lastly, root exploits are typically sourced from known security vulnerabilities reported upstream at the kernel level. Those who implement the root exploits for Android most often are not the same people who find those vulnerabilities so it's mostly a waiting game for the security reports to become public and the smart guys that know how to implement them as exploiting code to release to public. We've all been watching the CVEs since release of the SGS5 and there have been scant reports of issues that affect our kernel; only two possibilities that I'm aware of and both were dead ends (CVE-2014-1737 - floppy module not enabled in our kernel; CVE-2014-0196 - our kernel is not affected).

Everyone just needs to get used to patiently waiting for a public CVE that does affect our kernel and for the devs that know how to implement to do their work... and in the meantime keep your fingers crossed that some security expert finds a hole in the boot chain, however unlikely.
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] warriorpluto:
Nice explanation
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] ravenofdoom:
XDA and its admins don't want to be implicated in supporting (implicitly or otherwise) an operation that condones circumventing proprietary software and security mechanisms. I've seen time and again threads being closed from existential ethical pressures from the financial and legal powers that be. It's one thing to support communications for open development on open platforms, it's another to list conspirators willing to fund exploits against a company that can stonewall with legal and financial threats. I wouldn't say I disagree with this approach, but it is disheartening to the thought that simply anything is possible if willed by the community.