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[MDA III, XDA III, PDA2k, 9090 General] Echelon:
Missing "deep sleep"

To me it looks as most modules dont treat the apm states at all. So beside the wake up IRQ`s and RAM , nothing needs to be awake.

Also the CPU might miss to really fall deep sleep on the Blueangel.

Those things need to be still added and coded.

Regards
[General Questions and Answers] lavive:
Hi,

I'm wondering where I could start a thread about a new phone that is not in the current list of phones?

E.g. I've got a ZTE STAR1 and it's going to be a nice baby to talk about, similar to the interesting XIAOMI.

thanks for your advices

cheers
[General Questions and Answers] TheArc:
Hello [MENTION=3318821]lavive[/MENTION] I have two possible answers for what you're trying to explain. You can start a discussion thread for your device in the General Android section. Please search before you start the topic as there may already be an existing thread. If you wish to have a specific sub-forum for your device you can suggest it here - http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1660354

Use the Thanks button if I helped;)
[Off-topic] roalex:
Hello,

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The survey link can be found here: http://goo.gl/CNFm3L

Thank you !
[Off-topic] roalex:
Many thanks to those who took my questionnaire.

I still need more!

p.s. Let me know if any question isn't clear enough
[Off-topic] roalex:
Thank you for all the completes! This study may benefit us all !
[Off-topic] roalex:
I'm still looking for 20 more, give or take.
[Off-topic] ShadowLea:
Done!

From one about to graduate to another, good luck! :)
[Off-topic] roalex:
Thank you and good luck to you too!
[Off-topic] roalex:
Its still open! The more the better.

Thanks :)
[Off-topic] Jokerank:
fecit!
[Moto X Q&A] jamesino:
Looking at the screen very closely, I can see what can sort of be described as screen dithering. This is most obvious with a solid colored background or an app with a solid colored background. Looking closely, you can see that all the pixels are not uniformly one colored.

I don't see this on my Galaxy S3.

Anyone else notice this?

Edit: To be more accurate, it seems like it's a screen hardware issue. There are faint horizontal, fuzzy, pixelated lines.
[LG Optimus G (International)] coldmalice:
hello, im sorry if this question has been asked before

i was using cm 11, changed to vanir rom(kitkat), and then savvy rom (modded stock rom)

if im not mistaken, kitkat roms using the /0 path for storage and things

so from savvy rom i went to vanir rom again, but i forgot to copy all my multimedia files to /0, so now i cant access all those files even though in the storage capacity all files is still in there somewhere (still detected 12gb is in use)

so guys, how can i get all those files back?
[LG Optimus G (International)] hackenggr:
If there is not expert solution came up, you can always go back to savvy rom copy the files to computer and back to KK again ;)
[LG Optimus G (International)] coldmalice:
one problem with it

i installed savvy rom back, and it says kernel crash :(
[LG Optimus G (International)] krishnanmailbox1:
try epsilon rom/.......... u will see those files again... :good:
[LG Optimus G (International)] coldmalice:
thx sir, i will give it a try

btw, i got another question

if i revert back to stock rom using kdz updater, will all my files be deleted, so the phone will be like a brand new phone?
[LG Optimus G (International)] hasan4791:
Use file explorer or root explorer and check in data/media folder... You can see ur old files hiding silently ovr there..

Sent from my LG-E975 powering Stock 4.1.2
[LG Optimus G (International)] hackenggr:
All files will be deleted with KDZ update Very high probability, not sure because I never checked the old file after changing roms, I am use to backup all the data continuously with computer and clouds before messing with my phone :)
[Sony Xperia Z Ultra] polargirl:
Before anyone flames me for creating this thread and then closing it, I just want to let staff know that I did indeed read the sticky threads.

All the instructions for how to root a C6806 on this site seem a bit complex with many steps and quite risky if you are not a Linux and Android phone geek who knows exactly what they are doing. It seems way too easy to make a mistake and permanently brick a phone or lose Dram keys or simply not be able to completely unroot for warranty's sake.

I used to work in the IT field over a decade ago with some training in Network Technology before I got married and I find these instructions too risky for an expensive phone that is too vital for personal and business needs to take a moderate to strong risk of damaging the phone beyond warranty. I can only imagine how someone with little to no Linux or Android experience would fare trying to follow all these steps.

I was hoping that someone could develop a program or app that could do this a lot easier. Not necessarily one click root easy as ideal as that might be but at least simplifying enough so the less than geekworthy can root this phone. Not making rooting feasible for the general public does only encourages future phone makers to keep phones locked and unrooted.

I would really like to use the 64GB SD Card for apps and I would like to use Avast Security for rooted users but there is no way I can trust myself through all the steps of flash software download, system backup, boot unlock, system version rollback, pre-flash procedures, flash, post-flash inspection and probably a few other things I missed.
[Sony Xperia Z Ultra] iBuzman:
Unfortunately it's a bit more complex than that.. Unless you unlock your bootloader or have root you won't be able to run the app that you want to unlock the bootloader and/or root with.

Good news is you are wrong re "easy to hardbrick" - flashing stock firmware always an option to recover the device.

At the end of the day to get the benefits of what you call "risky" you will have to take a few "risks" :)
[Sony Xperia Z Ultra] blueether:
As buzzy said, there really is no risk in hard bricking the zu unless you really are inept. The steps are easy once you understand them:

1. Downgrade to 532 ftf (read my sticky)

2. Root with Bin4ry's or [NUT]'s tool (see my or lordmanhattan's threads)

3. Back up TA (see lord's thread)

4. Flash latest FTF

5. Unlock BL and flash a rootable kernel

The problem with a 'tool' is you never know what they have donr or not and how to recover.

Sent from CarbonROM on my Z-Ultra
[Sony Xperia Z Ultra] LordManhattan:
It's already very easy to root the Ultra if you're either on .681 or .757 (latest firmware). All you have to do is to flash a kernel and then SuperSU. 2 minutes.

The real issue is what we have to do BEFORE rooting. The TA backup is a pain in the ass, and if Sony would've dropped the whole DRM thing, all we'd have to do would be to unlock the bootloader and flash a kernel.

It's not possible to make a "one click" solution that includes TA backup, so there really isn't any better way of doing it today. It's very easy once you've backed up the TA partition, and you'll only ever do it once per device.
[Sony Xperia Z Ultra] polargirl:
Is that the order to do them in? Each step seems to be its own sticky thread.

Impossible? Why? Unless I read the thread wrong awhile back, it appears that the TA backup thread had a link to a program just for TA backup. It just didn't have everything else that is relatively easy. Why can't a one click root program be built as an extension of that program?

Are the DRM keys the same or unique for every device of a specific model? My husband and I each bought a C6806 directly from Sony's Play Store the very first day they went on sale.

Do I need to flash a kernel or even unlock the bootloader if I'd like to keep the stock OS?
[Sony Xperia Z Ultra] blueether:
Why would I post them out of order?

There is really only one sticky thread that is needed, Lordmanhattan's one. The one I wrote (for the first step) is also covered in LordManhattan's guide, just that if you read my thread you wont temporarily lose your imei no.

No it's not impossible, but remember that all the dev work is done for free, in our spare time, and more often than not to itch a scratch the "we" have.

Yes the DRM keys are unique to each device

No you dont need to unlock the bootloader if you only want root, but it will make life alot easier in the longrun as you will then be able to flash a kernel that has recovery and is simple to install root on. As our phones get more secure you will have to run a custom kernel and recovery to have root
[Sony Xperia Z Ultra] polargirl:
Please link me to that Lordmaahattan thread as he probably has quite a few.

I am quite happy and grateful that there are people like you guys who do this stuff even if it is just to "scratch the itch" and say "we have". I just wish some people would take the battle against the smartphone tyrants to a higher level as all. I have no right asking you guys to take it to a higher level but who else is more able and willing to do it? The need to render locking smartphones futile is a just and noble war.

Is there an Android equivalent to ghosting in Windows that copies everything on the phones' memory right down to the DRM keys or an other mirroring method? I'd feel a lot more comfortable making a clone image than just partial backups.

How can I tell if a TA backup is completely successful before I flash? I guess the Lordmanhattan thread should have info on how to relock and unroot?
[Sony Xperia Z Ultra] blueether:
The definitive thread is this one http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=2569904, quite complex to read, but simple when you understand it. The problem is that it caters for all, ie locked and unlocked, 4.2 to 4.4 etc

This thread http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=2593918 is how to first downgrade and keep the imei number, not strictly needed but might stop you from panicking when it vanishes.

I quite like the way sony do it, allowing you to unlock the bootloader from their dev site, although it does mean the loss of DRM keys.

You can back up the whole phone with dd (often called disk destroyer for how dangerous it can be), but you may need root first - never done it and I would not recommend doing it.

The TA partition is the only one that is really important to back up, and going back to 'factory' is as easy as using the same app to write the backup back then flashing a FTF
[Sony Xperia Z Ultra] Chima2:
I can't say I agree. Although Sony has been generous with the unlocking process, I find myself wondering why it was necessary to lock it in the first place. Polargirl isn't off mark, I spent half a day in frustration (and losing my DRM keys) before I managed to unlock and root. Once I did of course it was sweet, but the path there was a bit perplexing (a myriad of threads here) and quite scary (what if I brick it because I misread one of the 9 different threads?).

That being said, I came from Note II which was a cakewalk - I might be a bit spoiled :cyclops:

Edit: Not to mention, my very first post here was because a rooting thread was obsolete so I, on LordManhattan's advice got in touch with the mods to have said thread un-stickied. This forum is in fact a bit of a mess.
[Sony Xperia Z Ultra] LordManhattan:
Well okay then. Make a one-click solution that downgrades your device to a firmware that has the exploit that Bin4ry's root tool can root, then get a tool to backup the TA partition, while automatically granting it root access, and then unlock the bootloader without you having to enter your IMEI and unlock key, oh... and then update to the latest firmware and also automatically flash Jackie's kernel, boot into recovery, automatically flash SuperSU and reboot.

Not only would it potentially take several hours for the tool to finish, but it will never ever happen. Ever.
[Sony Xperia Z Ultra] polargirl:
Thank you for posting that you agree with me and for also seeing the problem: The instructions are indeed complex and chaotically spread out over nine different threads making it easy to miss a step.

It doesn't have to be all (one click root) or nothing. Even partial simplification would help. Anything better than the several different steps over nine different threads that Chima2 was referring to would help. 3 or even 4 steps in one thread is better than the "solution" currently available.
[Sony Xperia Z Ultra] blueether:
Buy a ZTE if you want hard

Why should I or Lordmanhattan (or anyone) rewrite what has already been written. I, at least, have written the steps out more times than I care to remember. The process is not that hard, and the steps are well documented in well written english
[Sony Xperia Z Ultra] polargirl:
Why? Because they aren't well written. They appear scattered and chaotic to everyone who isn't familiar with this site. Chima2 and I were just trying to give feedback is all. If more people just browsing for rooting solutions were to signup and post, they would probably agree as well. They just aren't here to give you even more feedback.
[Sony Xperia Z Ultra] adfurgerson:
It took me about a week of reading in my spare time to get my bearings and feel confident that I could start to modify my phone. That is a small amount of effort to put forth for a device that I plan to have for at least the next year. Yes it was a little confusing but I managed and am certainly not gifted when it comes to intelligence. I feel that any average person that sets their mind to it can succeed, and any specific questions will generally be answered if possible.
[Sony Xperia Z Ultra] polargirl:
Enough said! It might be worth it to you but probably not to most people.
[Sony Xperia Z Ultra] adfurgerson:
http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=2031989&postcount=45
[Sony Xperia Z Ultra] _Dennis_:
If a week of reading is to much for some then that is good, they shouldn't root their phones.

When people have really 'simple' ways of doing things they tend to skip steps and blame people for it. When something seems hard and daunting they read carefully and completely before starting, then read step by step as they go.

Could the 9 stickies be updated to 1 thread with all information? Why yes they could, and if it is important to you that it be done the best solution would be to write the new thread yourself. It would be a great way to give back to the community. If you notice something you find wrong, and its in your power to fix it, then do so.
[Sony Xperia Z Ultra] polargirl:
That is quite the cynical statement you posted and apparently contrary to even the spirit of this site let alone development and hacking in general. A better good for society is rending the need to root futile should be the goal and easily within reach of this site's members.

Another newbie, zxc1251, has indeed did just that and I have been helping that member with instruction simplification.

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=2769782

The only problem with that is newbies tend to be quite limited in their tech knowledge thus limited in their usefulness when it comes to simplifying instructions for the tech ignorant and semi-ignorant public but I guess some relatively tech ignorant people need to start this if a revolution against unrooted, jailed or otherwise restricted access phones is to happen.

I am trying my best with the knowledge and tools that I have to get this going.
[Sony Xperia Z Ultra] _Dennis_:
The reason I had the 'do it yourself' attitude is all the information to make a new thread is there, just needed presentation, something tech geeks aren't well known for.

There should always be a need to root. Average use case for a phone, having security is important since you store a lot of sensitive information. If phones came rooted or came so rooting was extremely easy imagine how many people would loose their bank account info or their contact info to the not so nice side of the Internet.

Edit:

Let me use this analogy. If you wanted to change the transmission in you car would you

A) search the internet for 15 minutes and the open your hood and start disconnecting things or

B) Spend at least a few hours looking at the specifics for your car (if you've change a few transmissions before) or as long as it takes for you to feel comfortable you won't destroy your car?

If you wanted Linux on your laptop would to research the drivers, installation procedures, and distros first or just download the first one and hope you know how to install it?

All I'm saying in researching is not a bad thing, if more people did it, less would brick their phones.
[Sony Xperia Z Ultra] polargirl:
PCs that ship with Windows serve the tech ignorant public just fine without restricting access for a common user. Developers is a whole different story when it comes to Windows but that is going off-topic.

I realize most geeks aren't comfortable with marketing and presentation issues with people like Erica Griffen (aka: Angel of Tech) being a huge exception. I don't have anywhere near her level of tech knowledge or even most members on this site but I am willing to help or even take over if needed. I just can't be of much help shortening process or making it more comfortable for the public but at least I haven't been totally useless.

Any help in shortening process or partially automating things wherever and whenever geeks can feel comfortable enough is not only appreciated by me but will be by the public as well.
[Sony Xperia Z Ultra] _Dennis_:
How many people know how or care to edit the registry file in windows? Yes a windows box will allow some significant changes, but most are either difficult to do without research or have about 5 warnings telling you what you are doing could effect the booting of your PC.

Phone hacking allows much more such as modifying bootloaders, think of it as comparable to changing the BIOS on your PC....not something a 'normal' person should be doing unless he/she is doing a lot of research, or recovery partitions, like changing the restore points on your PC. Or even changing ROMs, like changing from windows 7 to Linux or Mac (which by the way you can't always do, ie Mac)

I agree making it simpler is not bad but to simple makes other problems.
[Sony Xperia Z Ultra] LordManhattan:
Custom ROMs are more like Linux distros. The average person won't bother dealing with stuff like that.

Not sure where I fit in in this discussion, but I read something something Linux something average person. Did I win anything?
[Sony Xperia Z Ultra] polargirl:
I agree with you that the average user would not want anything to do with custom ROMs if they knew how to root. Most would be quite happy with just being able to delete unwanted bloatware apps, use their SD cards to store apps and some would like to be able to use apps that require root to fully function or function at all especially since many more root demanding apps would be on the market if the average user had root access.

That last point is particularly important to developers. The members on this site who develop apps would have a lot to gain if root became more available to the general public. That alone hopefully will motivate some members to help streamline and simplify rooting.
[Sony Xperia Z Ultra] LordManhattan:
Sure, but root isn't for everybody. Making it super easy for the average person to root, makes it much easier for a person unknown to what root actually is, to mess up their device.

I've wanted to shoot myself two times in my life. Once when the Desire HD became wildly available, and it dropped in price after a year, and about a year after the Galaxy Note's release when also that one dropped in price. New people were flodding the forums and most of them hadn't read squat. Nada. So when they painted themselves into a corner or broke something, it was either Samsung's, HTC's or our fault.

Now imagine a world where people could root every device by simply clicking a button.

1. Android would've been the most insecure piece of software in the world

2. OEMs would try to stop it by introducing even worse things than Knox.

3. People who bricked their devices would complain to the OEM and again, start #2

4. People are idiots.

Would I like an easier way to root? Of course! But it's not that easy to achieve. Even the Nexus' requires ADB to root. Ask an average person what ADB is, and you'll get a weird look, and that's a good thing. Catastrophe avoided.

I understand what you're saying, and I agree to some degree, but it's simply not that easy.
[Sony Xperia Z Ultra] polargirl:
Back to the Windows analogy. If people messing up their phones could simply reflash the Android OS like Windows users simply reinstall Windows when the mess up, then root wouldn't be all that bad. These idiots ***** like hell to Microsoft as well, especially when they delete the recovery partition without making a backup and end up SOL just like with Android but at least they don't void their warranties.

The idea is to force OEMs to stop restricting people's access to their own devices by making it practically futile to restrict it. At the very least, OEMs could be forced to give back access to the SD cards for apps, allow deletion of unwanted bloatware apps and have better system apps that require root access. This would deter the public from tinkering further if they got what they wanted on those three points.
[Sony Xperia Z Ultra] blueether:
The average windows user could't reinstall windows, hell I even struggle to git it to play nice some times and I've been using linux for near a decade and a half - maybe thats the problem I have with windows?

I feel different about security than you by the looks (and most android 'users'). I feel the way Sony (and nexus?) allow you to unlock the BL to root is a good way to do things - no need to find a security hole to gain root. I think all holes should be patched and we should have a very secure OS. I sort of like the SD card read/write that is in KK, although I would do thing differently (each app would be a user and could set r/w for 'other groups' to what it liked). I would also enforce that on the internal space.

Getting OT ;)
[Sony Xperia Z Ultra] _Dennis_:
This I agree with completely. BL unlock is the best way.
[Sony Xperia Z Ultra] polargirl:
I would have to disagree on the average user not being able to reinstall Windows if data backup and restoration is not involved and a large minority is able to do even that.

I do agree with your opinion on Sony allowing the BL to be unlocked. I just wish they'd have an easier way to backup and restore the DRM keys. Ideally, they should a copy and record of them on their own servers for each device they sell up to a reasonable time period.

I am not familiar with how the read/write works differently in Kit Kat vs older Android OSs but I deeply resent not being able to store my apps there any longer. Samsung still allowed it on their S4 phones but not Note 3. I am not sure about S5.

No OS should have any security holes but they all do. There is no such thing as an exploit proof OS for any platform or device and there never will be.

No one including members on this site or OEMs should be in the business of trying to save idiots from themselves but the business of needing to root needs to end. Perhaps the "danger" of nearly everyone having the ability root would force OEMs to at least give back control of a customer's own product to do what they reasonably demand like app access to SD cards, bloatware app removal, and access to more apps in the Google Play store that legitimately need root to fully function.
[Sony Xperia Z Ultra] RealityFails:
I admit defeat to Sony, the risk out weighs the reward. I've searched everywhere for a tutorial without unlocking the bootloader or downgrading. I'm going back to Samsung.
[Sony Xperia Z Ultra] blueether:
So you are going back to a device that has security holes in it so you dont have to do downgrade or unlock the BL to get root - good choice there mate :eek: