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[Other SmartWatches] Ar3ohdee:
inWatch Z, as I use it daily ;)

Hey guys,

Quick introduction. I am Rodney Just, Director of Sales/Marketing for inWatch USA. I wanted to speak to some of the things we are talking about with Z, as I use it on a daily basis.

1-I am on the Peninsula across the water from Seattle, and I successfully have Speedtest.net (Ookla) running on my Z and am pulling down almost 200 kbit/s where as the Wiki standard in the US is 200 kbit/s so in the city it is definitely classifiable as a 3G device (Sam has stated otherwise, and I support that). We are just being safe/honest/transparent.

2-Languages will all be supported depending on the region, as we are currently bringing Z to the US, "English" is the primary target/language.

3-YES you are seeing MANY different things between China & the US, and other places with specs and ratings on inWatch Z. Please allow me to address this. Every Region, Country, and sometimes Continents ALL have their respective terminology when it comes to electronics. Besides the aforementioned terminology, there are language differences, research differences, and time differences, etc. So please just ask on here (to me or Sam), OR on the campaign if you have questions about inWatch Z (the Smart Watch/Phone we are bringing to the US and other places). Same great product, Specified/Tailored to the Western User. We are happy to clarify.

4-The Camera is AWESOME, and I use it all the time. Having been an AVID user of my Galaxy Gear (well before anything REAL had come out), AND inWatch Z, I can tell you in my day to day the position of the Camera is a NON-Issue. For functionality/MAJOR use (When I am with friends, at the park, playing with the dogs, etc), I take it off and use it freely/a lot. regular random use, I pop open the app, aim, and shoot just like I used to with my cell phone :). as far as design and repair, it isn't trying to hide that there is a camera, and Z will come with a Warranty in case of any bad scenarios that may arise.

5-Battery Life is pretty accurate, with Med/Heavy use I get 2+ days out of Z. If I stream music all day, have the brightness up all the way, and am pushing it to the max unnecessarily, I will BARELY make it through the day (Same as my S4 Mini/Evo LTE).

6-Sapphire Crystal-YES, this is VERY important to me (I collect watches), and I just updated a video on the Campaign showing me attempt to scratch the crap out of the face with my little Gerber pocket knife. Z withstood it all!

I LOVE that we are talking about Z on here. I love Rooting/Flashing Roms (Disabling Knox, lol), replacing my Odex files so I can tether, etc. So it is cool to see Z being talked about with ALL of the devs/people I talk to when trying to get the MOST out of my device! So definitely let me know if I can address questions you have about Z. It is AMAZING, and getting better - YOUR suggestions/these conversations ONLY HELP, that is an advantage we have over the Big Box Boys (Sammy, LG's and Apples). Talk soon :) -R
[Other SmartWatches] simple1i:
Rodney/Sam - my understanding is we pay the $199 and the basic shipping and we get the inWatchZ shipped this week (which is mostly working. Hardware is all there and working and software has a few minor bugs)

And regardless of whether the Indiegogo campaign makes its goal or not the watch is ours to keep without any further payments to you? Can you please confirm?

And in return we help with ideas and tested but obligation on our part.
[Other SmartWatches] inWatchUSA:
Yes, that is correct. We will update the software when it is final and greatly appreciate the support at this stage. Sorry to be short with the reply, I have been swamped and it is 3am. More soon :)

Sam
[Other SmartWatches] Lokifish Marz:
2G caps at 250kbit/s and 3G starts at 200kbits/s. So still technically 2G. Generally when cell industry folks hear 3G they think the 300kbit to 3mbits range. There are also a protocols involved as well.

2G- GPRS, IMT-SC

3G- UMTS, W-CDMA

Also have to keep in mind that 2G 124kbits/s was called 3G by carriers in the U.S. ,even when it was not, for the longest time. Kind of like how AT&T calls HSPA "4G" when it's actually 3G according to the ITU standards.
[Other SmartWatches] simple1i:
So has anyone backed this watch yet? The biggest concern is the firmware update.

If you don't hit your indiegogo target what are your plans for the firmware and OS future updates?

If you do make your indiegogo target what if devs don't take to the device?

And it's the same for most watches that's not manufactured by the large corporates.
[Other SmartWatches] Lokifish Marz:
This is inWatch's third watch so I hope publicly accessible firmware, OTA updates, change logs and so on are already worked out. With it being an MTK based device not sure how the source situation is.
[Other SmartWatches] simple1i:
For devs to evloved any device they need access to:

1. Firmware

2. Change log

What else?
[Other SmartWatches] Tafty:
firmware

the only source that I could find so far, is here; http://bbs.inwatch.cc/read-413

I hope I could help so on. so, here are people asking who have support to do with. they should feel addressed now. because if I ever find something alone, then you should find even more certain people. especially if they are involved in the development.
[Other SmartWatches] Lokifish Marz:
Already looked at that and that just a stock rom, not source.
[Other SmartWatches] Tafty:
Yes. Unfortunately no source. I know. but at least once a rom for the safety of all those who have bent something. So better than nothing. why I ask also for a source.:rolleyes:

at least I've made a start.
[Other SmartWatches] inWatchUSA:
HI Taffy, all

I want to lay any concerns to rest here once and for all around the western firmware being completed. It will be done regardless of indiegogo and when it is, it will be made available. As the open hardware movement is not exactly the norm in China, I am still making headway with the team there in terms of showing the value of it. I have a meeting this evening to hopefully complete this and will report back. That should make the rest of the issues around this much clearer.
[Other SmartWatches] simple1i:
For developers to work on a device they need access to:

1. Firmware

2. Change log

And... Anyone?
[Other SmartWatches] inWatchUSA:
YES! Open hardware! Change logs! It is ON!

OK I just got off of skype with Neo (inWatch China CEO). He is absolutely excited to make all this available. We will get a chinese/english tech writer to translate the change logs as they happen and make a link to the latest builds available to select members of this community. I am nailing down the logistics still but this is going to be really fun working with you fine folks. As simple1 alludes above, if there is any other elements that will assist in this process on your end, please let me know. Looking forward to crafting amazing things,

Sam
[Other SmartWatches] arovaris:
Please help me, im very interesting in this watch, its so beatiful. Good solutions, like metal case and bone conduction. But i had asked for all chinese sellers and they answer me that this watchdont support 3g. But, it is a hardware or software limitation?
[Other SmartWatches] StridAst:
Meh, I can see your point, although I want to experiment and test how well the watch handles calls as a standalone, but I don't want to cut my phone's sim card down to a micro size. *shrug* leaves me needing to get a second line, even if it's only for a month. :D Possibly longer if I like how it works.
[Other SmartWatches] nk33:
Let us know how u get on!
[Other SmartWatches] perpe:
Please, read the last 4-5 pages. You asked so much and every one of your questions were answered there.

Don't download and flash files without reading the post!!! Your question with booting into recovery was answerded in my post with the zip and recovery!
[Other SmartWatches] nk33:
but i did read them and you said you need to use TWRP to flash the zip but i told you that TWRP doesnt even run because it says my devices is not rooted...

whats even more annoying is that apps like skygo dont work because they say my phone IS rooted pmsl!! proper lose lose situation!!
[Other SmartWatches] perpe:
Have you read this, too????

Now, what is your problem? Have you enabled adb debug mode? Did you try to boot into recovery with "adb reboot recovery" NO, you don't! You're only trying booting into recovery with apps and some rooting programs and not with the easiest method. If you tried it, then write that you did!
[Other SmartWatches] nk33:
ok mate - but in that post you write that there is no way to boot into recovery if your device doesnt boot. my device does boot so naturally i figured that didnt apply to me.

i will have a look for the guid to boot to recovery with adb and let you know.

thanks for your help
[Other SmartWatches] perpe:
Adb only works with a booting device and "adb reboot recovery" is a well known command. the sentence above says, you can't boot into recovery, if your device isn't booting, then you have to use SP Flash Tool. If your device is booting, you have to use adb reboot recovery.
[Other SmartWatches] nk33:
ok thanks again.

apologies for the hassles
[Other SmartWatches] nk33:
Thanks for your help mate. successfully booted to recovery using adb and flashed the supersu zip file.
[Other SmartWatches] simple1i:
Sam, It's saying $299.99 inc tax & shipping to UK, is there a delivery charge to England?

How long would it take to get to UK?

Thx :good:
[Other SmartWatches] nk33:
got my Razer Edge Pro from the US came next day...

when i get stuff from China it takes 2 weeks!
[Other SmartWatches] Theo de Kok:
I know you British don't like this, but you're part of Europe. Your Z probably comes from Belgium.
[Other SmartWatches] Apokriphos:
I am also curious about these questions.

I would like to know what 3G bands the new Inwatch Z will be using, what type of Gorilla Glass (1,2,3) the screen is made of, and if there are any plans for future android updates such as Lolipop? What is the new IP rating with your new coating?

Optimization of the smartwatch is also a question. If the new Inwatch or a future model gets a new processor, will it have a slow enough speed to enable shake to wake without too much battery drain? (Current min is 533mhz). Will Inwatch Z selling points such as TFT Mirasol be optimized further to allow for always on mode more efficiently? Are there plans to move the electronics and charging port out of the band (two of the current Inwatch flaws) and make band replaceable?

Customized apps for screen size: The Inwatch Z uses a 240x240 160dpi resolution natively, and this limits the display of some apps, even after compatibility mode is activated. Users typically have to modify offending apps dpi to very low levels (<100) to get around this issue, but this induces eye strain. Will increasing compatibility mode viability be in the cards for the future? Will a native offline google voice be worked on for the Inwatch?

Lastly, marketability.

The Inwatch Z is a great watch in both function and style, and that is why I bought it. However, as time goes on, competition in the 'Stand-alone Smartwatch' market will make it more difficult to profit from the US/European Inwatch Z cost plus margin based distribution without changes. What changes are you planning with the Inwatch to increase its appeal while limiting your cost? What promotions are you looking to do?

Lastly, are you planning to do another fundraising round in Indigogo, Fundme, etc?
[Other SmartWatches] Apokriphos:
This might be the specifications of the new model: http://www.amazon.com/inWatch-Multifunction-Bluetooth-Waterproof-Android/dp/B00PRYDZGU

Old model: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0..._m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_r=1XT66KQZAVWM8C5C65TR
[Other SmartWatches] nk33:
i can recommend a great companion app for this called Pushbullet.

with it you can set up push notifications between all your android devices.

You can choose which apps you want to receive notifications for on each device...eg you can set it up for whatsapp, texts, facebook etc and your watch will vibrate and show you the message. its the best one i have used so far and is really easy to set up. best thing is it doesnt matter where the devices are as it does it using the net and your gmail.

you caneven download a mozilla addon so notifications come up while you are using your pc!

you need to have android 4.4.2 or higher for the notifications to work so flashing kitkat is a must.
[Other SmartWatches] Theo de Kok:
Doesn't seem to be the new watch. They talk about sapphire, bone conductance, 9-axis sensor......

And iPone/Sumsang???
[Other SmartWatches] Apokriphos:
Pushbullet is pretty awesome for syncing Android notifications with the PC. I have yet to find any good substitutes for SWApp for the Inwatch Z though.

Those Amazon Inwatch Z links are strange. The first link could be a hybrid 3G model or something else entirely (mislabeled description perhaps?) It talks about Gorilla Glass along with Sapphire. 6 Axis along with 9, etc.

Bluetooth Connection Loss Issues w/ KK:

Since installing Kitkat, I have had absolutely no problems with Bluetooth connection. Battery is amazing too. In companion mode, with approx. 10 calls and 15 texts (15 second wake screen) + random time checks throughout the day, I lose 1% a day if that. So far I have gone 10 days without a charge, or BT connection loss.

Has anyone managed to get Offline Google Voice working? Its one of the few features I pine for from Android Wear.
[Other SmartWatches] nk33:
I tried that swapps and the only thing I dont like is that it seems to take over my phone. I think thats ok if you have a simple "companion-only" phone like gear or sony's one, but since the inwatch z has full android, I like my own launcher, my background etc etc. I also found the bluetooth companionship kept dropping (even on Jellybean) and my s5 would constantly ask me to confirm pin codes for bt connection. In the end I had enuff and uninstalled ot.
[Other SmartWatches] Apokriphos:
I went through those issues as well.

I first setup SWApp and it kept reconnecting to BT - over and over. Sometimes it would lose connection randomly, and I would have to reboot both devices to get it back. It was very annoying.

To prevent the constant annoying BT re-connection messages you must manually create a BT profile using normal BT options and sync it with your phone. The Phone should also have the watch as a saved profile and synced. I used the same profile name for the Smartphone as I used in the SWApp setup phase for the master device. The Watch seems to come with its own name (unlike in 4.2.2), so I left that part alone. It took a bit of tinkering for this to work. For some reason the Phone wanted an input code, but the watch synced automatically even though it should have waited for the code. When I then tried to pair, it failed to recognize the connection. After removing and re-initializing a lot, (the trick here is to do this fast) I eventually got it to stick.

Afterwards, no problems!

I use Smartlauncher 2 as my Launcher, and customized the home screen so all of my important apps (notes, schedule, calender, email, web, music, weather, etc, and google voice, are 1 click away.

I have the SWApp Ingersol clock on autostart, and disabled the lock screen. On pressing power once, I get the backlit watchface. A second press, and backlight turns off but watch stays on (good for daylight mode - thanks Gravitybox) Pressing back takes me to my home screen should I need more functionality.

I often use SWApp to see who is calling during work (phone on silent, watch will vibrate once when a notification appears), and to read and reply to texts quickly. It has a voice function as well (Call Suchandsuch) but it is very limited so I keep that part off.
[Other SmartWatches] nk33:
This sounds good. I may give it another go when I have time.

I was going to ask about the point you brought up about the power button. When I had jelly bean I used to press the power button once and it would go straight to sleep. ( like most androud devices do). Now that I have upgraded to kitkat, it seems I have to press it twice to go to sleep… can I re-enable the press once to sleep function as I have looked and cant find it anywhere…?

Thanks
[Other SmartWatches] StridAst:
I have no idea what firmware will show up on my inwatch z, but in case it's JB instead of kitkat, what are the benefits to the kk rom over the jelly bean rom?
[Other SmartWatches] nk33:
to be completely honest with you, I only upgraded so I could use pushbullet.

It just so happens that another benefit has been that battery life is now outstanding!

Other than that it works the same really.... Unless others can add?
[Other SmartWatches] Apokriphos:
The double-tap to turn off is a new feature introduced in Kitkat, I believe. This is intentional, it allows for us to take some advantage of the Transflective Mirasol display at 0% backlight - because when in direct sun you don't need it - so there is a real power savings.

However, this should be coupled with a customizable timed delay. I believe you should be able to set your time until sleep setting uniquely for both presses. For example, Change it so that backlight is 15 seconds, but no backlight is 30 seconds, etc. I believe Gravity Box has a similar option, but i haven't tweaked it yet to explore how it interferes with the native KK mode.

Lastly, for those of you who haven't installed the latest Beta of SWApp, I strongly recommend. The new custom watchface import feature (a la .face files) adds a lot of functionality we miss natively. Beyond the normal notification share and low battery usage (BT 4.0 + KK optimizations) It also allows you to quickly enable the google voice mode on your phone, say, when driving. Good for quickly setting the GPS, making a call, etc. It's no Andrioid Wear, but it is really a great substitute when on full android.

Please let me know if anyone finds some interesting watchfaces in the classic analog style for the Z. I am looking to build a collection for us to use.
[Other SmartWatches] nk33:
Thanks for that. I will have to play around with it when I get the chance.

However, for now I have a new self-inflicted problem to deal with.

Since flashing the signed kk rom, and rooting usung the su zip, today I tried to use lucky patcher to install the modded google play store. It told me that I didnt have enough space to do so… I accepted this and hit "ok". I then when back to my list of apps to realise my original play store was gone…. Wtf??? It removed my original play store before informing me that it couldnt install the modded one..

My question is what is the easiest way to get the store back lol??
[Other SmartWatches] StridAst:
Still waiting for my Z to show up. (guessing monday or tuesday) Got a question in the meantime. just kind of curious, Does the inwatch z support miracast? While it wouldn't be too useful overall, it would have some use (casting pictures taken to a television for instance, or perhaps displaying things to micacast goggles. (assuming a 1-2 second time lag isnt a deal breaker) There are a few sets of display glasses/visors on the market that support miracast

http://www.epson.com/cgi-bin/Store/jsp/Landing/moverio-bt-200-smart-glasses.do

https://www.chinavasion.com/china/w..._Display_Support_Miracast_For_Android_Device/

http://optinvent.com/buy-ORA-AR-glasses-SDK

Pity the miracast protocol is so weak. If someone could come up with something with low latency, it would be fun to use glasses like the epson bt-200 linked to a standalone smartwatch, perhaps with an air mouse (if someone ever gets a decent bluetooth based air mouse up and running). It would be a fascinating experience. (although considering the lack of non dorky looking smartglasses, it would probably not be an experience you would want to be seen in public doing)
[Other SmartWatches] inWatchUSA:
We definitely support multitouch

We support 11 point multitouch on the hardware, it is up to the devs of the world to make use of them! so pinch, zoom, rotate, multifinger swipe, whatever your little gestural heart desires!

---------- Post added at 01:11 AM ---------- Previous post was at 01:01 AM ----------

When the final checkout process is completed, it will include a tax and shipping step. This will be where you will be able to choose shipping methods and have that charge added on to your total. Working on the rest of the questions earlier in the thread and will get responses to EVERY one of them. If I dont get to one, call me out.

I want to make a device that meets the highest expectations that this forum has for smart watches. That process will be iterative and I want to tell you all that I am using the comments and feature requests made here to build our roadmap for Z. OK, more soon.
[Other SmartWatches] StridAst:
Ok, my Z showed up today. so far so good. Now I think I must be missing something obvious. I've rooted it with kingo root and downloaded the gapps installer apk. Wasn't there something I need to do after I install gapps? Debating if its worth the time to install kitkat
[Other SmartWatches] nk33:
mate do kitkat first - really worth it.
[Other SmartWatches] StridAst:
ok updated to kitkat, I've got the google play store running and I'm rooted. What's the best launcher for this device? stock launcher is total crap, and now on KK the stock launcher keeps crashing
[Other SmartWatches] Theo de Kok:
I'm currently using Launcher2, wich fulfills all my neads. Nova Launcher seems to be better, but chrashes all the time.
[Other SmartWatches] StridAst:
cool, trying smart launcher 2 now. so far so good. it's not crashing constantly like the stock launcher was. thanks

One last question, whats the best keyboard solution for these? I've got a bluetooth pocket keyboard coming but I don't expect it here for another week, in the meantime, is there anything that stands out more then other things?
[Other SmartWatches] Theo de Kok:
It seems InwatchUSA is working with Fleksy to provide users with a new keyboard, but that will take a while. I'm using a bluetooth pocket-keyboard with powerbank and that works wonderful. Maybe it's the same keyboard you're waiting for?
[Other SmartWatches] nk33:
i use nova pro - you need to add it to the compatability listing, then customise it using teamviewer quick support controling through your pc as your mouse gives you the preciseness to do it perfectly.

once setup though you wont be disapointed. i use 3 columns and 3 rows on desktop and same with drawer.
[Other SmartWatches] StridAst:
So, I'm loving this watch so far, except for the battery life. I need to figure out what's not turning off. sometimes the watch heats up, when I'm not doing anything on it and when the screen is all the way off. Not surprisingly my battery life drains fast when this happens. =/ Annoyingly every time this has happened so far, has been when I've been much too busy to do anything about it.
[Other SmartWatches] Apokriphos:
Steps to resolve this issue:

1. Uninstall or freeze all Chinese system programs that come with Kitkat, unless you want them. This includes the Chinese app store, InClub, and several others. You can do this with any sysedit app.

2. Download Clean Master & Battery Doctor. Use Clean Master to see what runs on your watch at boot-up. Disable the typical offenders: youtube, chrome, gmail, etc.

3. Now go to apps, running processes and make a note of what is running when you first reset the watch after above fixes.

4. Of the apps you choose to keep, I would recommend using a Permissions Manager to disable internet on all of the apps you don't need internet for. I feel for the developers, but this will increase battery life.

5. Check to make sure you don't have GPS enabled unless you want it.

6. Reset your watch, download a Cpu Spy type app and observe your CPU processes after letting the watch rest for an hour. It should say 99% deep sleep.

Your watch should have no issues after this. I get approx 10 days using mine as a companion smartwatch (BT paired with SWApp Link only). If you decide to let Clean Master run on boot, it will let you know when your watch decides to run down the battery all of a sudden, and you can find and delete the offending app.