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[Other SmartWatches] Rob Otics:
Gear S vs Inwatch Z

Hello All!

My First thread here!

As I went through the specs of the Samsung Gear S and the Inwatch Z,

I found that the Gear S has a beautiful curved screen, has fitness tracking and runs Tizen OS, which is very fluid. It is also pretty sleek and has 2 days battery life.

The Inwatch Z, on the other hand, has a sapphire display, has a camera and runs android. The other differences are in terms of storage, which doesn't matter. All the other specs are the same.

I would like to ask Sam a question. As the Gear S keeps tracking your location and other data, the battery life gets drained fast and thus 2 days is pretty reasonable battery life. If the Inwatch Z keeps tracking fitness, how long will it last?

One more question, is it possible to get my hands on a developer version($199), for which i can build a few apps? I have already invested in a few other smartwatches and I want to test this one for sure.

Thanks!

Rob
[Other SmartWatches] sch500:
Inwatch z security issues

Loki, really admire your work. Thanks.

What is your latest view on security on this device? Would you recommend users to NOT use it for personal data in the same way you would not recommend this on the Omate? How do the security issues compare?
[Other SmartWatches] far2shok:
Can anybody explain me. Every time i need to answer phone call, I have to touch inwatch strap to my head/skull?

Maybe you can show me video.

Thanks.
[Other SmartWatches] simple1i:
Unless you live in the US it's $199 plus 50 shipping. You might want to consider $280 (approx) from AliExpress.
[Other SmartWatches] far2shok:
I can give link to 270 at AliExpress
[Other SmartWatches] simple1i:
$280 with shipping

$299 from Chinavasion

This is slightly cheaper at the moment
[Other SmartWatches] far2shok:
Best price but only 30 feedbacks for store...

I bot at store with2000+
[Other SmartWatches] simple1i:
... and thank you too. ;)
[Other SmartWatches] sch500:
Security

Can anyone answer my question on security on this watch, given the issues on the Omate Truesmart?

Appreciate your help.
[Other SmartWatches] PrDubis:
Anyone knows where to get an extra data cable and clip?

The Inwatch online shop only ships to mainland China
[Other SmartWatches] simple1i:
[MENTION=5123363]sch500[/MENTION] - if you trawl through the InWatch Z posts, if Lokifish has posted about it then it'll be here else you could Pm him or email Sam Force the CEO of InWatch.

[MENTION=510956]PrDubis[/MENTION] - same goes for you try emailing Sam Force he's email is in this thread.

Although I've emailed Sam and asked him a question here but no reply since the their campaign failed. Shame hey its a decent watch.
[Other SmartWatches] PrDubis:
No answer anymore from Sam, I already tried.

But thanks for your help.
[Other SmartWatches] simple1i:
This is the biggest reason the masses don't trust these new startups and smaller companies and stick with Samsung and Apple (not that the bigger company's are perfect). Very poor customer services and damp right dishonesty... Some of em.

I'm glad user JarlSX talked me out of backing inwatch z. I'd be stuck with $270 incomplete device.
[Other SmartWatches] PrDubis:
You're right. That's a pity because Inwatch Z is really a good device once upgraded to international firmware.
[Other SmartWatches] sch500:
InWatch Z

simple1i. Thanks for the advice.

I have DM'd Loki, but unfortunately no reply yet.

In his immersion trial youtube video he was very complimentary about this watch, but was not so clear about the security of its firmware. He did say it was properly rooted, however, unlike the TS. It would be nice to know a bit more detail about this.

Anyone actually using it for personal data?
[Other SmartWatches] simple1i:
Your're most welcome. Another idea...

Try emailing some sellers of the InWatch Z (ChinaVasion/ AliExpess ...etc) most likely the actual sales rep' won't know, but if you ask them to ask their suppliers or some technical person.

I hope you find your answers ...soon.

I was thinking last that from the stand-alone watches, there's only 2 options i'd consider:

1. Gear S - depends on battery life and price

2. Omate clones now called Z15 - which is more secure then the Omate, comes with playstore, so in theory it should be ready to use, but who knows what real deal. i've said this before ...I'm not a developer, if I was i'd buy it and make a post of all the steps to it ready (rooting, security ..etc), with good points & bad points, what works and dont work. :confused:
[Other SmartWatches] far2shok:
Worldwide freeshiping 25usd. if you are interested in please PM, as new user i can't post links at forum.
[Other SmartWatches] Lokifish Marz:
Breaking my avoidance of xda.

inWatch China is actually Ying Fun which is the 9th largest smartwatch maker in the world. The Z was their second smartwatch with inWatch One, later named the "C", being the first.

Security;

The Z is NOT rooted. It actually took me two weeks of testing multiple rooting methods to find one that worked. Not even the common "roots everything MTK" methods here on xda worked. It eventually took using Kingo Root.

Unlike the Omate and it's sister devices, as well as the clones, the Z uses "user-key" firmware instead of "test-key" firmware. It means that the firmware is a proper build verses an engineering build. "user-key" builds are, by design, more secure as it does not log everything and is generally not wide open for testing purposes.

Firmware wise the Z is as secure as the majority of MTK devices on the market. So, not ideal or perfect, but a lot better than a wide open engineering builds. Masterkey exploit fix and a good AV like ESET should cover most of the bases.

The Omate clones are only slightly more secure than the Omate. Last one I tested had root ADB turned off in the kernel but that was about it. I found that all the other holes were still there.

Other options

Part of my frustration is the nobody has gotten it yet when it comes to smartwatches. Shine in one area and stink in another. Looks good but UI is horrid, UI is good but looks hideous, looks and UI are meh but QC is nonexistent. Some of them my laugh at me or ignore me but I predicted a 30-40% shorter battery life on the 360 vs it's competitors without even touching one. Got the size of the LG R within a couple mm prior to the CES announcement.

My suggestion, wait. The Sammy has the tech but the band is as wide as the screen (think EC-309 kinda wide). Omate has potential but is a Beta device. The Z is the most finished of the China smartwatches but still misses on the UI. A lot of "almost but not quite" in both the standalone and advanced companion areas.

It will probably be some time, if at all, before I post again for reasons I don't care to rehash. I wish you guys the best of in finding "the watch". Those that follow me or Dan or a couple others from the Omate, read the posts/comments really close.
[Other SmartWatches] PrDubis:
Using the watch for a few weeks now with the multilingual firmware and it's really great.

You loose the pedometer and the weather forecast but you get Play Store and more useful functions.

What a pity we can't get the nice OS as seen on the US website...
[Other SmartWatches] sch500:
Far2shok

What is your opinion of the InWatch Z? Do you have any concerns about security as has been expressed by Loki concerning the firmware issues?

Thanks

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Many thanks for this. Really useful comments. Sorry to drag you back!
[Other SmartWatches] simple1i:
Conclusion is:

Best to wait maybe 1-2 years for the technology (better battery and optimised software... Etc) to evloved for a watch to be smart. Shenzhen folks don't have much to copy this year. Maybe the Gear S but the battery life will be poor.

Gear S' battery won't last 2 days, if it lasts 1.5 days people might consider it, but the UK price is expected to be too much. If by any chance Samsung really have worked on optimising the software maybe it could last 1.5 days... let see.

Omate X with Nucleus OS has some potential. Nucleus is designed for low power devices, omate x claims 7 days use, with no Sim, WiFi & cam and a reputation to rebuild it might give 6 days, but I don't know enough about Nucleus OS to even speculate... if someone could enlighten us please? The WeLoop with its simplicity has potential with its 21 day use, but highlights the fact that to get a decent battery life with current battery technology a smartwatch is limited to basic functions compared to a smartphone.

We can make a comparison that current smartwatches are where cells were, say 10 years ago or more? Making smartwatches not smart at all. There's a reason Pebble used an LCD screen and it bought them success.

Slightly off topic...

The Chinese government are working on a new OS for desktop's and mobile to rival Android. They want to stop spyware that they claim is coming from Android... Might change the smartwatch industry if they get it right.

Meanwhile a big Thank You to all the devs, working hard... hacking, bricking, getting frustrated, becoming excited with the current smartwatches. Without you it would take longer to get to where we are now & take much longer to move forward. [emoji106] [emoji5]
[Other SmartWatches] gangstaman:
Hey so I receive my inwatch z tomorrow and I was wondering if it comes with the play store, I've read that I have to install it and that its already rooted? I will update you guys on how the watch is running etc after I use it for a few days. Is there anything else I need for it to function properly? Thanks!
[Other SmartWatches] PrDubis:
Multilingual firmware comes with Play store
[Other SmartWatches] gangstaman:
What is the best companion mode app, or best way of using companion mode? As in how I set it up

Thanks
[Other SmartWatches] Lokifish Marz:
What build version? The v15 official multilingual and the v15 multilingual engineering build that I have do not.
[Other SmartWatches] PrDubis:
The one I've posted a few days ago
[Other SmartWatches] Lokifish Marz:
That link is dead "The file does not exist. It may expired or be removed by the sender."
[Other SmartWatches] simple1i:
Can you provide the link where you purchased from please?
[Other SmartWatches] PrDubis:
Sure. I've bought the watch from dinodirect and they provided me the firmware file as I flashed it with the Chinese one and wanted to go back to original.

I'll try to shoot some pics when back home and I'll try to upload the file again. The broken link was the link the supplier gave me.
[Other SmartWatches] far2shok:
Answered at PM
[Other SmartWatches] gangstaman:
Is it possibly to answer calls from the inwatch as its in companion mode with no sim, u get texts but I cant seem to find out how to answer calls

Thanks also any quick tips on how to get maximum battery life?
[Other SmartWatches] simple1i:
Here's the AliExpress shop

Let us know when you receive it and how you find it :good:
[Other SmartWatches] far2shok:
It will arrive at few days... I'll post pictures and make little review.
[Other SmartWatches] simple1i:
I can't seem to find it on DinoDirect: http://www.dinodirect.com/watch-phone/?sortby=2 - any idea?
[Other SmartWatches] far2shok:
In this store you also can find extra

USB Cable and Charger For Inwatch Z
[Other SmartWatches] vscmaster:
But these extras delivered with watch.

Package
Size	153 x 93 x 70mm
Weight	244g
Accessories	1 x 580mAh Battery
1 x Charging clip
1 x USB Cable
1 x Card pin
1 x User Manual
[Other SmartWatches] far2shok:
Somebody at this forum asked about additional Charging clip and USB Cable
[Other SmartWatches] vscmaster:
Also became one of the owners of inWatch Z. :victory:
[Other SmartWatches] Shogo2009:
How's the battery in a real life scenario? Are you also using the 2G?
[Other SmartWatches] far2shok:
Today recived form Aliexpress store. With working Play Market.

Cool Watch.

Which keyboard do you use?
[Other SmartWatches] dexxx76:
I use on my Symvalley AW414 the Fleksy keyboard.

Have the watch German language?
[Other SmartWatches] far2shok:
My version of firmware have only English
[Other SmartWatches] far2shok:
How to make watch/clock always on.

(don't every time push button to see time)
[Other SmartWatches] PrDubis:
Multilanguague and Play Market original firmware:

http://en.mail.qq.com/cgi-bin/ftnEx...4d42044a3759&t=exs_ftn_download&code=e87d47c0
[Other SmartWatches] far2shok:
Great keyboard . Thanks.

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To slow downloading speed. can you download it at another source or dropbox.
[Other SmartWatches] PrDubis:
That's the original link from the supplier, I didn't download it. I guess, it won't be so long, let's say half an hour...
[Other SmartWatches] far2shok:
Manual inside?

Tried to download 5 times... nothing

i think for downloadng you have to have account at http://en.mail.qq.com/
[Other SmartWatches] PrDubis:
Just downloaded it, took 45mn

---------- Post added at 06:51 PM ---------- Previous post was at 06:44 PM ----------

Same file, but from my Dropbox:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/kjrsdds1jpds4in/inwatch.rar?dl=0

It's still uploading, so please wait 30 mn before getting it.
[Other SmartWatches] far2shok:
Is uploading new firmware for inwatch the same as to smartphone? turn it off , run FT and than turn it on...
[Other SmartWatches] dexxx76:
I use Awesome On Off Smart Screen but is not always on, only when you turn your hand the screen goes on.
[Other SmartWatches] Dan_000s:
Thanks for the link, I download the file 3 times but always give a CRC error in system.img.

I already tried to delete the chinese characters in folder names with no luck

Can you help me?
[Other SmartWatches] far2shok:
I mean only clock(digital or analog) visible at screen, when i use Awesome On Off Smart Screen, screen with apps apears...
[Other SmartWatches] far2shok:
Who used new firmware (from link posted before) which new improvement, battery life.

Thanks...
[Other SmartWatches] Dan_000s:
I tried but winrar give me a CRC error in system.img
[Other SmartWatches] far2shok:
the same problem... waiting for new update.

What about battery life. my discharged after little more than 24 hours
[Other SmartWatches] vscmaster:
SuperSU

Has anyone granted root right for the programs? The OK button at the prompt dialog is outside the screen.

[IMG="SuperSU Prompt dialog"]http://xdaforums.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=2453251&d=1386980237[/IMG]
[Other SmartWatches] far2shok:
Maybe try to add program to "compability Mode" at System settings...
[Other SmartWatches] vscmaster:
I will try, but first of all SuperSu is need to remove :( because it is in system apps
[Other SmartWatches] far2shok:
there are two version of firmware at official site INWATCH_Z_V14 and INWATCH_Z_M2_V03, who know which version is newer , what is difference?

firmware
[Other SmartWatches] far2shok:
Good review. Great ideas.
[Other SmartWatches] perpe:
Hey guys,

got my inWatch Z today. It pleases me. I can't say a lot about it, I have to play with it a little bit ;)

My watch has the buildnumber Inwatch_Z_M2_V03, it is prerooted, but it comes without a superuser app. It's the kinguser su binary, found the superuser apk at http://upfile.mobi/584607, after installing kinguser switching to an other Superuser App works. I switched to SuperSU.

The watch is signed with the testkeys, it's possible to use it to flash own zips, but they must have some mediatek recovery specific files (scatter.txt, SEC_VER.txt, type.txt)

In recovery mode the keys doesn't work, you have to long press power to shut it off, but should be enough for the moment.

AND... it has fastboot. :)
[Other SmartWatches] perpe:
Got an OTA update right now, but it failed. After the update it should be M2_V04. I suppose the update is only for the non multilingual version of M2_V03. All the sha1 checksums for the apk files seems to be wrong.

Be careful if you get it.

After the download the update.zip can be found in /sdcard/googleota, if you want to keep it (I did).
[Other SmartWatches] vscmaster:
My post how to add SuperSU to the Compatibility apps:

1. You should have adb and root installed;

2. Go to shell as root,

adb shell

,

su

;

3. Mount system folder,

mount -o rw,remount -t rootfs rootfs /system

;

4. Grant RW rights to the /system/app/,

chmod -R 777 /system/app

;

5.

exit, exit, exit

, now you are in PC console;

6. Copy SuperSU.apk,

adb pull /system/app/Superuser.apk

;

7. Remove SuperSU.apk,

rm -R /system/app/Superuser.apk

;

8. Install Superuser.apk,

adb install Superuser.apk

;

9. Now in Compatibility app you have to see Superuser.
[Other SmartWatches] gangstaman:
How do I root my watch with Kongo if I can't connect my watch to the comp, doesn't get recognised? Is it suppose to, I also can't run Kongo firmware on my watch, how do I root in this case? Thanks
[Other SmartWatches] vscmaster:
Do you mean Kingo Root?

Do you have developer option(7 times typing on the Build number)?

Do you turn on USB Debugging in the Developers options?
[Other SmartWatches] gangstaman:
Then do I connect my inwatch to my computer because my computer doesn't detect anything when I connect it up after I've turned on USB debugging
[Other SmartWatches] xda-ulle:
I got this(?) update too. md5sum update.zip: 6a8e14c97644370c6cae0be9d6113725

Anyway, it fails to install.

But how did you find out, that it is something like "M2_V04"?

And for me, the checksums aren't wrong. For example first file from MANIFEST.MF:

Name: patch/system/app/InwatchClockAE.odex.p

SHA1-Digest: ENr81gubwKf4SdtVIKk/mNnHE2E=

sha1sum patch/system/app/InwatchClockAE.odex.p
10dafcd60b9bc0a7f849db5520a93f98d9c71361 patch/system/app/InwatchClockAE.odex.p

echo "ENr81gubwKf4SdtVIKk/mNnHE2E=" | base64 -d | hd
00000000 10 da fc d6 0b 9b c0 a7 f8 49 db 55 20 a9 3f 98 |.........I.U .?.|
00000010 d9 c7 13 61 |...a|
00000014

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The system settings are quite restricted on stock inWatch z.

If you are interested in accessing more options you can try this:

adb shell am start -a android.intent.action.MAIN -n com.android.settings/.Settings

But no activities for lock screen :(
[Other SmartWatches] perpe:
I know that it's the M2_V04 because I read the inWatch Z chinese board with Google translate. V04 is rolling out since end of August.

After every flash you can find the recovery logs at /cache/recovery, the most importent log file is the last_log

...
mount /system /dev/block/mmcblk0p4
Verifying current system...
[B]file "/system/app/ApplicationGuide.apk" doesn't have any of expected sha1 sums; checking cach[/B]e
failed to stat "/cache/saved.file": No such file or directory
failed to load cache file
[B]script aborted: assert failed: apply_patch_check("/system/app/ApplicationGuide.apk", "740b7b8967ec2dbb17a7a81b4759f36baf32a71d", "401a91ac18e235d5eaa587ea2d761c623ca87e6d")
assert failed: apply_patch_check("/system/app/ApplicationGuide.apk", "740b7b8967ec2dbb17a7a81b4759f36baf32a71d", "401a91ac18e235d5eaa587ea2d761c623ca87e6d")[/b]
E:Error in /sdcard/googleota/update.zip
(Status 7)
Update.zip is not correct
Installation aborted.
...

This is the important part. You can see that it fails on the apps to patch. I assume that the clock apps don't have any multilingual stings, but the other apps have.

The second thing is, that our ROM is manipulated. There is a /system/build.prop~ file, this file is a backup file, created from a linux texteditor. This indicates that some one has modified this ROM after the build.

Edit:

you can also look into the file /system/data/misc/ProjectConfig.mk. In it you will find this line:

MTK_PRODUCT_LOCALES = en_US zh_CN zh_TW ldpi mdpi hdpi -sw600dp -sw720dp

This means the original ROM, the one without the modifications, was build to support english and chinese, but without the support for other languages. My device supports more then these languages.
[Other SmartWatches] vscmaster:
Yes, it is M2_V04 update.

I have already updated on original Chinese firmware.
[Other SmartWatches] far2shok:
What gives you Chines firmware update without other languages
[Other SmartWatches] simple1i:
New watch similar specs to InWatch Z?

Its a shame some of you are having issues with a watch that's quite pricey ...unless you enjoy hacking it :) then its all good.

Check out posts 1, 21 & 22, A new watch by Umeox, that should be released soon - it has a similar processor MT6572 as the InWatch Z - however! its says on one of the posts that its all speculative ... maybe that's changed now that its being released :confused:
[Other SmartWatches] perpe:
[MENTION=6016654]far2shok[/MENTION]

The OTA update for the inWatch Z Firmware. Our devices was shipped with a "custom multilingual ROM", but the OTA is for the original stock ROM. I will switch to that ROM and will try the update afterwards.

[MENTION=1938297]simple1i[/MENTION]

Nope, I don't have a need for an Omate Truesmart Update. The only interesting feature on it are more pixels and KK. I felt in love with the transflective display of the inWatch Z. What should I do with more pixel, if it isn't readable outside?

My watch was a gift, I don't care how much it costs. The only downside at the moment is this update, but it isn't a big deal, because the stock ROM has english support, this is enough for me. Better then the disappointments that others had with their Omate Truesmart. Don't think that the new Umeox device with 1GB RAM and 8 GB ROM will be much cheaper than the inWatch Z.

And the CPU... the Truesmart has an MT6572 CPU, too, so why do you think, it will be better on a new device?
[Other SmartWatches] Dan_000s:
I just update from stock firmware v14 to v15 OTA without problems

Changelog:

Fix battery issue

Very happy with this new firmware but I miss Multilanguage and I installed gapps
[Other SmartWatches] simple1i:
[MENTION=1938297]simple1i[/MENTION]

Nope, I don't have a need for an Omate Truesmart Update. The only interesting feature on it are more pixels and KK. I felt in love with the transflective display of the inWatch Z. What should I do with more pixel, if it isn't readable outside?

My watch was a gift, I don't care how much it costs. The only downside at the moment is this update, but it isn't a big deal, because the stock ROM has english support, this is enough for me. Better then the disappointments that others had with their Omate Truesmart. Don't think that the new Umeox device with 1GB RAM and 8 GB ROM will be much cheaper than the inWatch Z.

And the CPU... the Truesmart has an MT6572 CPU, too, so why do you think, it will be better on a new device?[/QUOTE]

Perpe - Take a deep breath ...it’s only a watch. That Laurent LaPants has left a lot of people mad.

Think about the Context, XDA = an information sharing forum, my post wasn’t for you only. Had I said:

“Perpe, this is a command from Joachim Gauck, you MUST buy this watch, buy 5 of them, wear them on each arm, on each leg with pride and the other one for your happeniss in the morning as you arouse", then I’d deserve your sermon. :D

Your questions are not really pertinent, all have watches have good and bad points , just sharing info’ with folks. In fact I’m the OP for the InWatch Z, so I’ve nothing against it.

... reminds me of a rant by user: cosurgi on the Omate clone Z8 thread see post 13.
[Other SmartWatches] perpe:
Nope, there is really no need to take a deep breath.

Was my posting angry? Wasn't my purpose. Here you can see my weak English. ;)

Nevertheless it's my opinion, everyone of us tries to find the best device for his needs and I have found my device for the moment. The inWatch Z isn't perfect, too, but for me it's the better one.

What I really want to say is: It's really nice that Umeox will release a new device, but you can't say anything about that device until it's released and you got one to test it. Nobody knows how good or bad it will be and no one can say how much it will cost, this means for me it doesn't matter, if they release one or not. Comparing an existing device with a non existing one, you know that I mean?

Sure, I'm also curious about it and every other new releases, even more if it has the same CPU and KK.... porting ;)