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[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam General] meepatme:
am in wallsend too hmm 708kbs that um 0.7mbs out of max 1.8mbs maybe yours hasnt been turned on as per http://msmobiles.com/news.php/5536.html

they got 1024 mbs.

Tested mine again and got 534 kbs my understanding thats 0.5mbs second maybe thats as fast as we get up here ?

Whats the max speed of 3g? is 534kbs more then 3g limit :)

Guess i leave it till tomorrow see if it taking a while for the upgrade to go through

PS Cheers love the phone.

That is when I got all my contacts and gps+ menus back resco etc :)
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam General] chrissyboy6969:
I thought 3g was 384 kb/s and i wouldnt hold too much sway with these tests, i test mine using www.bandwidthplace.com and i get average 1.2mb/s. Using it for surfing its fantastic the speed, the phone is awesome too i have no complaints

Chris
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam General] meepatme:
hmm maybe i am on it then. max ivgot it to say is 700 6700. shame no way to easly tell
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam General] eva_d:
after reading news regarding HSDPA on msmobiles.com, i've decided to give a try. i've called 150 and spoke with guy who: 1) had terrible language, i hardly could understand what he was talking to me; 2) had no idea about HSDPA, however he put me on hold to speak with tech team, after which he told me that HSDPA has been activated.

later on that day, i was at Stansted Airport waiting for my father-in-law to arrive. while waiting i did some tests with dslreports.com, but i couldn't achieve more than 200-300 kbit/s. then i decided to use fit4cat Hermes Tweaker to activate HSDPA, reboot and... got over 800-900 kbit/s speed straight away! nice one! but seems like this HSDPA activation through Hermes Tweaker doesn't work stable, as some days later i couldn't achieve more than 300 kbit/s again... :(
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam General] gloom1st:
Well got my Vario II on Tuesday and i'm loving it. Called T-Mobile C/S tonight

to get HSDPA turned on, am on standard W+W package. Took awhile to explane to poor girl what HSDPA was and she said "don't know what u are on about will talk to our tech dept and call you back". Got to be honest thought i was going to never heard back from her but 30 mins later had a call saying it's now been switched on. So turned Vario off & on and wow went from 250kbs to 980kbs.

So give C/S a call, was no talk about not being able to offer HSDPA on standard W+W package. Just got to try and get them to understand what u want.

Anyway off to play more, got to say first windows phone i have ever used and i'm loving it.

Nick
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam General] johnk1973:
Same here, had to push the issue and said they'd call back, had massive doubts but had the same call back. So far T-mobile CS have been fantastic, glad I left o2 now!! I do think you need to know what you're talking about though before you call.
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam General] jstubbings:
Didnt work for me!

Guys,

Thought id just say that I called up yesterday and spoke to someone im also on standard web and walk.. I explained to her that a few of my colleagues had got HSDPA and she needed to talk to technical support and get it turned on.

I waited on the phone for a while and then she came on, she said that she had spoken to one of her colleagues and he had said I needed to be up-graded to the premium web and walk, apparently i would loose my free minutes and would need a new SIM card... so I gave up! :evil: I think that this will spread round there call centres... I may give it another try later today just out of interest... I think it bad that some people are getting it for free and otheres not....

Ill up-date if I do get it switched on.. it would be nice but its not the end of the world!....

:roll:
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam General] jstubbings:
I tell a lie!

I dont know why... but please see my above post... I just decided playing with the device to do a speed test... now the other day i got 384KBPS on it ... ive just done 3 tests and 2 were 1.1mbps the other about 851 kps so it seems like they have switched it on after all! unbelivable.. Top bannana

! :wink:
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam General] rocketrobot:
Re: I tell a lie!

I had a kind of similar experience with T-Mobile. The first time I phoned I think it was the scotish call center and they put me through to the techies, they said no... unless I upgrade to w&w pro. Just tried again today (newcastle) and they put me through to the techies and said I couldn't get 3g in my area. After I convinced them I could they put it on for me. I'll do some speed tests now.

1.1 Megabits per second from bandwidthplace.com!! Don't think I will cancel the ADSL just yet.
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam General] mrleoni:
DATA SPEEDS ON T_MOBILE

Having purchased an MDA VARIO II and read through these forums I decided to contact T-mobile Technical Support and make sure my HSDPA was in fact working.

He informed me that no, it wasn't, however had I bought the VARIO II under a new contract then it will have been automatically activated (believe that if you will).

It is now activated and my speeds have marginally increased.

As for HSDPA speeds, he compared it with torrents - the more transmitters/antennas in range (seeders) the faster the connection, since your phone downloads packets of data simultaneously from different transmitters.

I'm not sure whether this is total claptrap since I'm no techie, but it explains T-mobiles projected upgrade to up to 20mbps mobile data speeds over the next few years.

Anyone got any more info?
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam General] mackaby007:
Eureka!!

At last after reading all of your posts I thought I'd pop on over to bandwidthplace.com and see if my poor speeds had changed. And sure enough...851 kbps with just 1 Bar of UMTS signal! Great stuff. I thought only download speeds would be affected, but NO, surfing speeds have greatly improved too.
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam General] mrleoni:
Just to get my two cents in here, I've tested my speed with bandwith.com and I'm generally hitting about 1.2mbps, but this does fluctuate, and sometimes its a little slow; however I think it is worth remembering that until April this year nothing like wnw existed.

Last year I had an XDA Executive on O2, as they offered it me a lot cheaper than t-mobile. The main appeal of the exec to me is its browsing potential - but I was going over my monthly allowance on a daily basis! Luckily I discovered this within my initial 28 days, and I cancelled.

I didn't have another PDA for six months.

As it stands I cannot understand why ANYONE who likes browsing on their PDA would stick with dinosaurs like orange and O2 (short of bad t-mobile coverage in your area) - 75 quid for a one gig allowance is obscene! so long as t-mobile are willing to offer me twice that allowance for ten percent of the price I'm happy to not quite hit 1.8mbps.

Nice if you can get it though!
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam General] Schooleydoo:
Just called T-bag and asked for HSDPA and was told the only way was to upgrade to the web and walk pro - £10 per month.

Went for the standard web and walk package instead to see if the speeds increased anyway...

Before the call on 3 bars signal 480kbps, after at full bars 650kbps.

I very much doubt the difference is anything but a signal difference :(

Il call again tomorrow and hope to speak to someone thats a bit special, see if theyl switch it on for free :lol:
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam General] mrleoni:
you DON'T have to be on web n walk pro.

Honestly!

The reason its called pro is because it allows so called "professionals" access to the internet anywhere - this includes Starbucks Hotspots, and is aimed at those who take their laptops everywhere with them. If you wish to connect to the internet on your computer (either by datacard or phone modem) you are obligated to add a pro bolt-on, rather than the standard one. However not doing so won't necessarily mean you will be given a hefty fine, since it is kinda hard for them to prove!

Speed is not an issue, aside from the fact that a laptop loads up web pages faster than a pda. I have HSDPA, and I'm on the standard web n walk package.
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam General] Schooleydoo:
No i know you dont, by the posts above but this blokes supervisor insisted that you do. Just called back and was told they got an email about lunch time today regarding "mobile broadband 2" saying they cannot offer High speed broadband (rated at 1.8mbps) to customers without the web and walk pro package initially. She told me this might change when it goes a bit more mainstream so call back in 6 months :roll:

Strangely she said Web and walk is supposed to have a cap at 380kbps, but as above im hitting 650...
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam General] Chalky:
Got mine Activated today

Literately just come off the phone from T-mobile customer services.

Called again regarding HSDPA.

Since I initally called last Saturday and the lady on the phone said she would activate it, but I've been checking My T-Mob account online all week and there was no mention of it (under- additional allowances & services).

so I phoned up again mentioning that there was no indication that it had been put on, so the (different) lady put me on call for about 6-7 mins and said that there was web n walk pro!

I said no..no..no thats for people who have laptops and data cards, i've just got a new MDA vario II, a phone, It just needs activating. So she put me on hold for another 2-3 mins. :shock:

She returned and said yes, she would activate it (it did'nt get activated on the saturday I phoned??). I also said are there any "additional charges" she put me on hold again and promptly returned and said No.

After the phone call I checked the net speed on dslreports.com/mspeed.

phone was 3bars on 3G with 1MB download took 9.58 seconds at 894kb/sec.

I went back to My T-mob online account and checked again, sure enough

HSDPA 384k Uplink was listed.

Job done! :D

I now have

MDA Vario II + W n W + HSDPA
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam General] manjifrankie:
HSDPA slow speeds...

Well I got my Vario II after using a 910i that got stolen. I have the account upgrade for the HSDPA 384k uplink, but after doing some tests in dslreports and other sites I am only getting 380 on average (Today the speed test is on average 160 kbits/sec using IE, Opera, Minimo, the result is the same...NOOOO), sometimes even lower!!!

I used the fit4cat mobile tweaker to be sure that the HSDPA was activated and the msg in the program says it is. I use the web n walk icon to connect to the t-mobile internet and when connected my signal is showing 3G with 4 bars. I live in Cambridge, I don't know why everyone is getting such amazing speed results and I'm not. Any help or insight on this will be greatly appreciated.

PD- Minimo should be called Maximo, it is a resource hog, not to mention it's size... 8megs instalation!

UPDATE: look into the following post for detailed info on setting up your HSDPA...

http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=Hermes_Utils

Based on the post, this is what I did:

1- verified that the file SETHSDPA.EXE was in my windows directory

1a- verified that SETHSDPA.EXE was enabled in PRECONFIG.TXT (Windows directory)

2- ran the file (SETHSDPA.EXE) and did a speed test. The results: 1439 kbits/sec.

3- created a shortcut (.lnk) and put it in the startup folder verifying that the link was pointing to the proper path.
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam General] manjifrankie:
Close, but not there yet...

Well it looks like I started celebrating too early. After going to sleep thinking all my HSDPA problems were fixed guess what... left my Vario II charging via USB, did another test in the morning, and to my horror 145-160 kbits/sec. I soft reset the mobile, tested again and nothing. Put everything the way it was (no sethsdpa.lnk in startup menu), turned mobile off, then on, tested again and nothing... Noooo. I don't know what to do and since the link to d/l the file SETHSDPAV2.EXE is broken or it just not working for me, well I'm stuck. Can someone help me? Please? :(
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam General] cstross:
I bought my Vario II on T-mobile with web'n'walk (not pro) last Thursday.

Just now it tested at 851kb/sec via speedtest.com, and I haven't phoned customer support or jumped through any hoops to get HSDPA enabled.

Remember, it's a wireless service. If you're in a cell where there's a lot of contention or if there's a thick wall in the way, you're going to be dropping packets and see a much lower throughput. But it looks to me like HSDPA is enabled by default (at least on recent machines/accounts).
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam General] mrleoni:
Yes, if you have a compatible device it will be activated by default. you can look through your settings on t-mobile.co.uk and you should see HSDPA 384kb/s upload (or something like that) activated. if it isn't then you can ring and get it switched on.

If customer services tell you you need to be on the pro plan then just ask to be put through to technical support - they almost always know the score and will activate it for you - thus confirming that you DON'T need to be on the Pro plan.

And stop moaning cos your not hitting ridiculous download speeds - think of it like talktalk broadband - UP to 1.8mbps. Think of all those poor O2/orange customers who are paying through their noses and aren't even getting HSDPA.
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam General] manjifrankie:
3G speeds...

Well, you would be moaning too if you were paying for a superior service and changed supplier to obtain this service only to find that you are only getting 140 kbits/sec. I have read in other posts and other forums that the hi-speed 3G may not be available everywhere in the UK and of intermitent service of the hi-speed... its like being left out...
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam General] mrleoni:
It's still moaning isn't it though? name another network who'll offer you unlimited internet and even the POSSIBILITY of HSDPA for 7.50! the same thing on O2 would cost you ten times as much, so you're hardly making a sacrifice. I'm sure the service will improve with time, but bear in mind that its quite a new thing, and will never be as reliable as cable internet anyway.

personally I am thankful to be able to access the internet anytime for peanuts. I can live with speed fluctuations.
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam General] Schooleydoo:
Just had one last try, chose an option so i knew id get put through to tech support, spoke to a bloke called Alex that knew all about the screen alignment probs and told me to check here www.tm-downloads.com for a t mobile rom upgrade soon. Theres no such site though :(

But, he did activate HSDPA for me :D :D :D
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam General] complete:
Hi, I have just received my MDA Vario 2.

It just will not connect to the internet Via 3g or GPRS, but is fine via WiFi.

I am on Flext 35 with Web'N'Walk and have had HSDPA activated.

I have moved over to this from an MDA Pro, which i never had a problem with.

After approx 1 minute with the Vario 2, when trying to access a website it says that the page cannot be displayed or downloaded because the connection was lost.

If i stick the Sim in the MDA pro it connects straight away.

CS have gone through the settings with me which are all correct.

Can anyone give me some advice please.
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam General] mrleoni:
can you call ok? try doing a hard reset and if you can't connect at all then you clearly have a faulty handset; particularly if you've been through all the settings with tech support.

All settings for gprs/3g are installed in the ROM in order that it works straight out of the box,
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam General] complete:
That's what I was thinking.

It seems that as soon as 3g is displayed it loses the connection.

It was showing GPRS for a minute this afternoon and I could access websites straight away. It then changed to 3g and then hung.

Is it worth the extra speed to change from the Pro to the Vario 2?
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam General] grunef:
http://www.tm-phonedownloads.com/ is the correct URL
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam General] manjifrankie:
Speed problems...

Well, I am not complaining about the web and walk, all I am saying is that there some people the in the same region are getting over 800 kbits/sec most of the time where other people can't enjoy those speeds, and if more people post about it, we may find out the cause, it could very well be a faulty mobile.
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam General] scopes64:
My advice if you want HSDPA enabling on your account .. just stand your ground when talking to TM and you will eventually get it enabled. My recent conversation when like this

Me: Can you enable high speed internet on my account, HSDPA

CS: sure no problem

CS: Ah problem, cant seem to do it .. I will speak with Technical

3 mins hold

CS: Sorry cant be done unless you upgrade to WnW pro

ME: Not ture lots of people have is on non-pro

CS: Sorry it is only available on WnW pro

Me: Can I speak with Technical

CS: errmmm ... let me check

3 mins hold

CS: No problem transfering you to technical

Tech: I understand you want HSDPA enabling. Let me do that now.

Tech: No sorry you need a WnW Pro account

Me: Not true .... waffle waffle waffle

Tech: Let me try again ... no sorry you need a WnW Pro account

Me: [keeping calm and polite] not true .. waffle waffle waffle

Tech: Let me try again .... there you are .. its now active on your account

Hmmmm ... was it a genuine error on their part or are they trained to give in after a period of time.

Not to worry my Vario II now has a HSDPA connection :lol:
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam General] mrleoni:
As regards whether its worth upgrading to a Vario II from a Pro: definitely. There is little discernible difference in speed, and the device is much better as both a browsing device and a modem (aside from the lower screen resolution).

There are no faults with the HSDPA service, but it should improve over time to become more reliable. I am frequently hitting over 1mbps now, sometimes as low as 800kbps, but this is still a massive improvement on my 3g speeds.

In respect of the 3G disconnect problem mentioned on these bulletins, I can only assume it is a handset fault as my Vario II has performed brilliant, with hardly any disconnects. With any such problem I would always just go back to the store and demand an exchange - It'll just mak your life so much easier!
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam General] Frankyg:
It's generally quite variable; with 3 consecutive tests I just got min of 857kb/s with a max of 1.4mb/s. On a saturday afternoon a couple of weeks back I was hitting 1.8Mb/s regularly. But then, I was the first guy in Glasgow to get a VarioII so bandwidth may not have been contended :wink:
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam General] complete:
Thanks for the advice.

I think I will swap the Vario 2 as it does seem to be faulty, before deciding to Ebay the Pro.

With regard to putting HSDPA just say to CS that you are having problems connecting, and they will activate this for you.

I am a mobile phone retailer as well, and next month TMobile are making changes to the WebNWalk Packages.

There will be 3 levels.

1: WebNWalk - £7.50 pmth - 1gb Limit per month. Slower download speeds. (They reckon that you will be unable to download programms, music, I'M, video etc on this add on)

2) WebNWalk Pro - £12.50 pMonth - 3GB Limit per month. Full Data Access but unable to use Skype etc.

3) WebNWalk Max - Approx £25 per month with about 10bg Limit per month. Cannot remember full details, as they were shown to me yesterday on a powerpoint presentation, and I was not left a hard copy, but will receive full info soon.

WebNWalk will not be available as a tariff I.e Flext 35 WebNWalk but only as an add on (Same Price), but WebNWalk Pro will be available as a combined tariff.
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam General] peetd:
Is this going to be retrospective or just apply to new customers and contracts? i have been seriously looking at getting a Vario II switching from Orange because of the w&w but i may look again if they are going to cripple it if you don't pay more. i think this will pi$$ off a lot of new customers.
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam General] mrleoni:
Forgive me if i speak out of my arse here, but how the hell are t-mobile to know if you're using IM/downloading programs/streaming music?

what if you want to use messenger? They surely CANT ban its use, since it is a legitimate windows mobile application, bundled with THEIR handset.

if they ban its used under the web n walk tarif then they would surely have to work out separate data usage charge.

Impossible?

I'd like to hear from an IT techie about this one.
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam General] eva_d:
good question acutally, as i would NOT be happy at all to get slower speed as i already am on WnW basic tariff! or maybe it's good time to migrate to WnW Pro while it's still for £10 only...
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam General] mrleoni:
I am already on the pro bolt-on anyway, as it saves me from any grief and its only £2.50 extra!

The fact that they can apply the bolt-on or take it off immediately and allocate its cost pro rata without you having to wait till the next bill cycle insinuates a need to cover themselves in the event of any tarif alteration, however it IS worth noting that customer services are not always to be believed - as these posts have shown!
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam General] mrleoni:
HSDPA Speed - look at it fly!

Ive posted a lil vid on the Hermes FTP folder showing HSDPA speed with my VARIO II as a modem. It's a bit fuzzy but worth a look.

Leon
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam General] jamijam:
Well, I called T-mob a few hours ago and asked for them to turn on "the high speed internet service aka HSDPA". Asked her whether she knew what HSDPA as well and she said "yes, I know what you are talking about. I am activating a couple of things on your account now".

I assumed this was a succesful phone call to their customer service, but I'm still only getting 350k/s. Hmm....

Guess I'll wait a day before calling again.
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam General] jamijam:
900kbps!!! game on!

Posting this using my laptop connected to the phone over BT using HSDPA and I find it exciting. I'm such a geek.
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam General] mrvanx:
?!?!?!? im confused......how come i get upwards of 900kbit speeds on UMTS when im on o2????? I was always under the impression HSDPA was almost ADSL speeds?? (ie <= 8mbit??)
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam General] jamijam:
vanilla UMTS only goes up to 380kbps or so. If you are getting more then you are on HSDPA, which is strange because I wasn't aware that O2 had theirs up and running?!

Oh and no, you won't see 8mpbs or anything near that. It's usually within the 0.8mpbs to 1.3mpbs range.
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam General] mikeycollins13:
Just tried on Vario 2

on bandwidth speed test and got 1.2M, not half bad...
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam General] dragon576:
1. Why: Check out the Terms and conditions (fair use policy).

2. How: http://www.cisco.com/en/US/products/ps6501/products_white_paper0900aecd80342822.shtml

Fair use policy applies: Flext + web 'n' walk price plans provide unlimited internet browsing on mobile handsets in the UK. To ensure a high quality of service for all our customers, they are not to be used for other activities such as (but not limited to): modem access for computers, internet based video/audio streaming services, peer to peer file sharing, internet based video download and internet based telephony. If such use is detected, notice may be given, after which network protection controls may be applied which will result in a reduced speed of transmission.