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[Other SmartWatches] inWatchUSA:
Hey Apokriphos,

The only test models I have been sent have not been fitted with full sized batteries or storage to save cost. The battery size has not changed but the hardware specs have slightly, going to a 6 axis vs 9 axis will help. That said and as you have seen, Shake comes at a cost and 3G does as well. We will have to see how everything pans out on this. Of course we will do all possible on the software side as well.

Repair/replace will be covered under the warranty for new units. For existing Z owners, we will work to have a repair/replace system as well but first we will start with building a parts store in the website where new ribbon cables, mics, clasps, ect. can be bought. For a whole band, as in Theo's case, we will have to see what is cost effective. We are not interested in making profit on this, we just want to do right by current owners and keep devices in service.

It is my firm goal to show through practice rather than promise that inWatch is a company that looks out for its users and the wearable space as a whole. Stay tuned for new announcements to this effect in the weeks to come :)
[Other SmartWatches] Lokifish Marz:
[MENTION=5891605]inWatchUSA[/MENTION] If you have somebody that can do the repair, I can send the unit I did the IP test and review on to you so you don't need to source parts. The only issue is it has that backlight issue I told you about from doing the test. It's PCB related so all the other parts should be fine. That's if Theo would be OK with that til you guys can get properly stocked with parts.

I'd offer to part mine out and do the repairs but I'm neck deep in traditional watches that need my attention.
[Other SmartWatches] Theo de Kok:
That's a great offer Lokifish, thanks very much. And if IWatchUSA can do the repair, that would be great. I don't trust this glued connection, but so far it still holds.

I bought this watch at Chinavasion, so yesterday I send them a ticket about the warranty. They usualy have an excellent service, so may be they will replace it or refund the money. Let's wait for that first.

And thanks again Lokifish
[Other SmartWatches] xda-ulle:
Hello again,

after more then ten weeks I have my inWatch Z back on my wrist \o/ !

I had it sent back to Chinavision, where I bought the watch back in summer 2014, as the conductive speaker in the wrist band stopped working. Probably broken wires within the strap from watch to speaker, but thats guessed. Now I have the same watch but with new wrist band on both sides. Still the metal arm for closing seems to be the original one. It opens quite easily - same as it was when sending it back to Asia.

It is probably much easier to fix, no tools needed: Just bend (more correct: "straighten") a bit the metal part which is on the strap with the holes. The more it gets straight, the more the clip will become harder to close - or to open. At least that fixed it for me.

I remember when sending my watch back for repair I spotted a small crack on the inner side of the rubber wrist band. Next to the part with the clip contacts.

Seeing Theos wrist band breaking all of a sudden, and mine "fortunately" having its melted-in wires to the speaker broken before the strap broke completely (so that I could return within warranty): The wrist band seems to be the weakest part of the watch. It seems to get ageing symptoms quite quickly. So you better handle it very carefully.

And check for those kind of cracks on the inner side every now and then. That might rise the chance to glue or repair the band before it breaks completely.
[Other SmartWatches] nk33:
mate! straightening the metal bit with the holes worked a friggin treat!! thanks so much!!

unfortunately i am still stuck with this battery issue which is a nightmare!!
[Other SmartWatches] Theo de Kok:
Hopefully the forthcoming OTA will fix this. A lot of people (including me) have this problem.
[Other SmartWatches] nk33:
hopefully....but as we have rooted our device and therefore using a custom rom, how can we possibly apply this official OTA unless someone takes the official one and customises it so we can apply it to our device?
[Other SmartWatches] xda-ulle:
Can one of you with Kitkat tell me the name (apk) of the little timer app that came preinstalled with 4.4?

While I was with 4.4 I found it perfect for my purposes. Now with my repaired watch I am back at factory 4.2.2 and decided to wait for the "official" 4.4 OTA.

Until than I just install apps as apk without Google store app.

Have mounted the system.img from Kitkat on my Linux pc but can't find a corresponding apk file - i.e. something like ...timer....apk - neither in /app nor /priv-app ...
[Other SmartWatches] Theo de Kok:
I can find TimeWidget (com.inwatch.widget)
[Other SmartWatches] xda-ulle:
Thanks Theo, but I think thats not what I ment. The app I remember wasn't a widget ... think it is linked at the most right screen of the launcher and then one or two screens down.

Too bad that I can't find the screenshots from Lokifish Marz he made with a fresh Kitkat installation and all the launcher sreens ordered anymore ...

The app is a very minimalistic timer with just a big circle on white background ...
[Other SmartWatches] Theo de Kok:
I can see an app called StopWatch, I think that's what you are looking for. Can't find it in memory though.
[Other SmartWatches] Theo de Kok:
A few hours ago the strap broke again. At first glance I thought the glued connection gave up, but it's not. A very problematic strap indeed.

After close inspection of the strap I can find a few more places where it's probably going to break.

I don't dare to wear it anymore, if this happens when I'm outdoors I will probably lose it.

It's a shame a $300 watch has such an inferior strap.
[Other SmartWatches] Theo de Kok:
The strap has developed a third crack while lying on the table overnight. The material seems to disintegrade quite fast.

No one else having this same problems?
[Other SmartWatches] ecsk2:
Does anyone have this available still?
[Other SmartWatches] Apokriphos:
I examined my band very closely but I didn't find any issues beyond surface imperfections and scratches. Could you perhaps attach a picture to show the points of failure?
[Other SmartWatches] Theo de Kok:
I attached a photo. Please note I tried to glue the first two cracks.
[Other SmartWatches] Kirrrr:
[MENTION=6098986]Theo de Kok[/MENTION], I guess the "secondary" cracks may be initiated by glue itself. The glue impregnates into the plastic and can change one's structure. It such case cracks can appear at the edge of the glue impregnation due to inner mechanical tension.
[Other SmartWatches] Theo de Kok:
I agree this could be a reason for the third crack, but the second is too far away from the first (about 10mm). And I repeat: the strap broke without using extra force, just wearing the watch on my wrist. What's the use of a wearable device if you can't wear it?
[Other SmartWatches] Kirrrr:
Hey! I didn't advocate anything! :) It was just a general hypothesis.
[Other SmartWatches] Theo de Kok:
Sorry Kirrrr, I guess my reaction was a bit overdone. I'm just disappointed in InWatch, makig such a useless strap. And giving the advice to by a new 3G Z, would be more cost effective than a repair. Well, a new Z is not on top of my wishlist, to say the least.
[Other SmartWatches] Theo de Kok:
InWatch China replied they can repair this strap for €45. At least I think it's InWatch (Chinavasion writes "our manufacture". But they suggest it's my fault the strap broke ("physical damage").

I know perfectly well you cannot bend such a strap, there's circuitry inside. Now they are trying to blame me for their worthless straps. Mr. Force if you're reading this, be prepared for a lot more complains about this strap.

Of course I will send the watch to China, €45 is peanuts compared to the price of the watch. But i've had it completely with InWatch.
[Other SmartWatches] Kirrrr:
Hmmm.... Why is it useless if it does what phone does??? :confused:
[Other SmartWatches] nk33:
Not sure if you read what i wrote - but what i was saying is that its useless to me for the follwoing reasons:

a) it basically does what my phone does but i always have my phone on me so i always end up using that for whatever task I need

b) it needs my phone to basically operate as i use the phones wifi hotspot so the phone can have internet as I dont want to pay for another sim card, even if it is to be used for data only

c) even if i used a sim card it is only 2g - so basically pretty useless also

d) the wifi hotpost kills my phones battery#

So overall its safe to say its a pretty useless device FOR ME.

Note that i emphasized FOR ME as i am sure there are people out there who will use it as their primary phone with a bluetooth headset and/or boneless tech and they will love it
[Other SmartWatches] Theo de Kok:
On second thought I won.t send my Z for a repair. I´m not going to pay for errors made by others.

The strap used is not up to it´s task, it´s badly designed or badly made (or both). No matter how careful you are, it can break for no obvious reason. But for InWatch it´s obvious: it's your fault. They call that "physical damage" and that's not part of the warranty. And should you decide to take the loss and pay you probably will get another badly strap. So how long that one will last is unknown. So if you think of buying one, think again! There are lots of other smartwatches out there. And for those of you who already possess one, you'd better not wear it, it might break!

From now on I'll wear my Burg15 again. It hasn't got the same funcionality, but at least it's safe to wear it!
[Other SmartWatches] Kirrrr:
... and the silence of Mr. Force is quite distressing.
[Other SmartWatches] dev_null:
HELLLLP!!!!!

I have now found my charger but now i have kept it plugged in for hours and the screen is blank, no charging screen no flash, nothing :crying::crying::crying::crying::silly::eek::fingers-crossed::fingers-crossed:

PLEASE HELP ME!!!!!!!
[Other SmartWatches] Theo de Kok:
see post #188

---------- Post added at 06:59 AM ---------- Previous post was at 06:38 AM ----------

InWatch still refuses to repair my Z for free (I have 1 year warranty). Their argument is they charged others €45 for this repair, so why not me?

So they are aware this strap is faulty, others have the same problem. But I still refuse to pay.
[Other SmartWatches] dev_null:
My strap is not faulty it just wont charge, can they still do it?
[Other SmartWatches] Theo de Kok:
Have you tried to read the voltagelevel on the chargingclip?
[Other SmartWatches] dev_null:
I'm not sure how, I'm more of a software guy.
[Other SmartWatches] Theo de Kok:
That's explained in post#188. Mostly that's the problem of not charging. But it can just as well be a problem with the strap. If that is the case you're in serious trouble.
[Other SmartWatches] dev_null:
I dont have a voltmeter.
[Other SmartWatches] Theo de Kok:
Then try to get one, or let someone do the test for you. I know that's not easy, but believe me, if you want InWatch China to do something for you that's tougher by far.
[Other SmartWatches] dev_null:
Ok
[Other SmartWatches] dev_null:
can i have a diagram or something of what to do?
[Other SmartWatches] Theo de Kok:
I never did this myself. No need to, the watch was charging fine.

Try to read te voktage between the 2 outer pins. There is probably no voltage at all.

Move 1 probe to its neighbouring pin and read the voltage. This should be 5V. If you get no voltage at all, move the probe back to the outer pin and try moving the other probe to its neighbouring pin. This should work.

If you get no 5V but another reading (like 2V68 or so), the problem is not your Z, but either the charging clip, the USB cable, or the USB charger. Try another USB cable, or use an USB port from your computer. Try to bend the USB cable. Somewhere there is a loose connection.

I will not reply to questions for a while, it's 3:45 am here.
[Other SmartWatches] dev_null:
this is a pic that i made https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B9pNkOvvn8u1QnFDUERkRjRUUlk/view?usp=sharing

these results were made by keeping the black probe on the far left pin (except for when i was measuring the left pin, in that case the left and right probes were switched)

if i move the red probe over one than i get 0.01 and if i move the black probe over one than i get -2.65

this was taken DC

I wont be able to respond until tomorrow my time either.
[Other SmartWatches] Theo de Kok:
Try to use an USB charger, not a computer port. That way you can be sure the 2 datalines will be unconnected and can't have a voltage of their own.

Measure the voltage between pins 1 and 4 or between 2 and 5. The polarity is not important. The reading should be 5V. If this is true, your Z is defect. If you don't read 5V, either the USB charger, the USB cable, or the charging clip has a loose contact. And that's reason enough for the Z not to charge. Try bending the USB cable, the connectors etc. (while connected) and see if the voltage changes (likely). Try another USB charger, another USB cab le and finaly another chargingclip (yes, they cost $20).

Most of the time another chargingclip helps. The strap and all that's closely related to it (like the chargingclip) are 100% pure bull****.
[Other SmartWatches] dev_null:
My watch started working again but whenever it dies a have to start charging it with a car charger and then, after a few minutes i can charge it normally.
[Other SmartWatches] inWatchUSA:
The hardware has what is classified as a 2G radio in it. We have seen multiple tests in real world environments where Z will exceed the data speeds of a 3G radio however. With software tweaks, this may be even better. Call quality is very high and, as the screen is 240x240, heavy data usage may not be in your particular use cases anyway. Pairing with a smartphone can get you those faster speeds if needed as well but I do wish the 3G module would have made it into the production model. I am happy to go into the reasoning behind that decision if anyone is interested but it boils down to the size, power use and existing manufacturing and sourcing relationships.

I hope this helps!

Sam
[Other SmartWatches] Tafty:
hallo inWatchUSA

well then I hope that it bears fruit and brings results. what I've made ​​available is of course pure stock. but I would freune me when others also provide something for disposal. meet good luck with yours. see you later
[Other SmartWatches] simple1i:
As well as the speed 3G is more secure then 2G.

So it depends on how much battery is saved using 2G. It's weighing the pro's and con's.
[Other SmartWatches] Lokifish Marz:
Despite the lacking of 3G and SD expansion, it is a well built device. Granted it seems that IP certifications in China are not the same as the rest of the world as it did technically fail. Hopefully inWatch USA and even inWatch can correct this, as well as adjust the official specs accordingly.

At the end of my couple days with it, I am somewhat pleased with the results. It is a well built and more polished device than it's current competitors. I would like to see the security issues fixed, better sealing for a true IP57 rating and multilingual companion app (or at least English) as well as firmware issues fixed but after coming from a TrueSmart, it is a noticeable step up.

In network speed testing I was never able to get anything better than 30-40kbs but this matched the same 2G results from multiple other devices tested in the same location around the same time. Except for streaming media this should be fine for 90% of what folks use their smartphone for.

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[Other SmartWatches] simple1i:
Thanks for the review. Really appreciate it.

How's the battery life?

When all the issues are fixed excluding the 2G, lack SD expansion and the IP rating remaining as is, how would you rate the watch compared to all others out there?

I know submerging in water is not recommended but if it got submerged accidently, does the watch require opening up before using desiccant to dry it out?
[Other SmartWatches] Lokifish Marz:
As an Android based standalone it is the best so far. Calls are very clear, the camera is capable of some surprisingly surprisingly good results

I'd worry about accidental submersion any longer than a quick dunk. Even then I would cringe and worry about the Z.

As far as battery life it is ok but not amazing. inWatch has however acknowledged this is an area that needs work. A proper battery life test takes some time which I will be doing this weekend.

As far as a 1 to 10 rating, look here.
[Other SmartWatches] simple1i:
Not owning a Sony SW2... I would have guessed (before reading your review) it was closer to a Sony?

JarlSX - you're a big fan of Sony how to do think/guess they compare? :good:
[Other SmartWatches] Lokifish Marz:
Like I said in the review "a 'premium class' Gear". Side by side you would swear it was a Galaxy Gear Premium Edition which, my lack of love for Samsung aside, is not necessarily a bad thing.
[Other SmartWatches] mdbrock7:
This appears to be exactly what I am looking for.

1. Where do I order this watch and how much is it?

2. How soon can I get it?

3. I know it has its own sim card and works independently from a phone but could I also connect it to my phone to receive notifications?

4. I assume it would work on at&t and t-mobile networks in the USA, correct?
[Other SmartWatches] simple1i:
1. & 2. It's on indiegogo, RRP $300, order now for $199 you'll get it for Nov 2014. Or if you're a developer and want to help out you may be able to get it in next few days for $199 + shipping but that depends because they were only giving four away. Please contact Sam the CEO. Details in the above thread.

3. & 4. Yes.
[Other SmartWatches] inWatchUSA:
Awesome review and message received

OK, I have some research, meetings and video editing to do. Lokifish, thanks for the great input and thorough review , I am going to use it as our to-do list at the next meeting. The stuff you asked for is not world-altering (minus the camera changes which would need new molds). We cant change tooling at this stage but gaskets, sensors, other internals are all plausible (I say from a rather narrow viewpoint/understanding and do not mean to over promise here). Some things like the brightness I believe are simply not implemented yet but will be in shipped Z (to be confirmed shortly).

I will alter our video to say on screen that the device is 2G (a reshoot is kinda out at this point) and I will alter the website and campaign accordingly as these will be the case when Z ships. For the waterproof rating and auto brightness adjustment, I would like to make sure there is not any intention of complying with these when Z ships. If not, changes are needing to be made to the materials as you suggest. If we are simply not there yet with this iteration (we are still in beta, as you know) I would say that the specs are valid until the production device fails the dunk test or arrives without auto brightness adjust. Does this seem fair?

I could not be happier with this process. Good feedback is invaluable and this forum has already provided a ton of it. It is up to us to take this in and show you that your work and input can equal results. This may seem obvious but I just wanted to put it here in print.

Just the start, lets keep the information flowing!

Sam
[Other SmartWatches] Lokifish Marz:
Thank you for your feedback. Direct interaction with the community is rare and welcomed on xda. And on that note here is the Companion mode review;

inWatch Z Companion Mode Review

EDIT:

I noticed the change in the water resistance specs on the US site and the crowd funding page, man that was fast. Thank you.
[Other SmartWatches] simple1i:
Get Android Wear on it!

Android Wear and IP67 on the inWatch Z - and its easily the best.

Shame no wifi or gps on the new LG Watch and the Gear Live

But the LG watch has 9 Axis (Accelerometer/Compass/Gyro) sensor, same as inWatch Z
[Other SmartWatches] Lokifish Marz:
From everything I've seen of Wear, no thanks I'll pass. The only real advantage it has is better formatting and larger fonts. Other than that it's Now as your launcher.
[Other SmartWatches] simple1i:
... And for people that need to know flight details ;)

Point noted, all that hype for nowt. So I guess there might be interest on Xda to have Wear removed perhaps?... Or amend it?
[Other SmartWatches] Lokifish Marz:
Could do that before Wear.

I had a concept that was faster to use than Wear, but to be honest, Android isn't capable of making it a reality due to limitations in the allowed interactions.
[Other SmartWatches] Lokifish Marz:
24hr BT tethering test.

Except for UI formatting issues due to the tethering app I was using (FoxFi/PDANet), BT tethering works very well. The one dropped connection may very well have been my fault. No custom ROM, no firmware hacks (other than per app ppi) and no dropped connections.

The next step would be to reverse the order and have my phone get access to the internet through the inWatch, but I may hold off on that for now.

The inWatch is not dead or a failed IGG. It's just plotting in it's secret headquarters.
[Other SmartWatches] tj.brewster:
Loki, any insight into what inwatch is plotting?
[Other SmartWatches] Lokifish Marz:
Update for those that don't follow me;

inWatch (my review and yes, I know it needs editing)

Root (Kingo Root works, actually it's the safest of the ones that do)

Gapps (modified GApps Installer App)

Cyril Preiss' SWApp Link

OpenMic+

Bluetooth tethered to a phone that actually supports it (stupid S4 Zoom)

Results;

Have not done a 24hr BT tether test with this setup but should be stable

Notifications from your phone (Phone, SMS, etc..)

Full Google Services access (Gmail, Now, "OK Google", G+, the works)

So with little effort it can be a true hybrid device with more in it's bag of goodies than a Wear smartwatch, and you don't have to wait a year to get it.
[Other SmartWatches] Lokifish Marz:
Dreamcast on an inWatch Z. Sorry for the dark vid but the submersion test seams to have affected the backlight.
[Other SmartWatches] Theo de Kok:
What do you mean with a "car charger"? A 12V device to charge a car's battery or a lighter-adapter (a round device used in a car's cigarette lighter, a kind of USB charger)?

I guess you're not using a 12V charger, you might blow-up your Z with this. You should do a proper voltage reading and tell the results. Your computerport might give an inadequate voltage level (it can be as low as 3,3V and still functioning).
[Other SmartWatches] dev_null:
K well it stopped working again and its getting very annoying, any suggestions?
[Other SmartWatches] Theo de Kok:
Try to read the voltage level might be an idea.
[Other SmartWatches] Theo de Kok:
Don't ask any more questions if you don't like to read the answers.
[Other SmartWatches] dev_null:
I never said that i dont like reading the answers i just said that my watch is annoying me
[Other SmartWatches] Theo de Kok:
No, but you don't do what I ask you to do, and you don't answer any questions I have.

How should I pin down your problem this way?
[Other SmartWatches] dev_null:
When i did the reading earlier was using an iphone charger as i had no other chargers available at the time

and for you question about the car charger, i didnt see it until now, i was in a toyota prius which happened to have a built in usb port that i assumed was made to charge phones so i plugged my z in because i was desperately carrying it around with me plugging it into any usb port i see

sorry if i did anything to offend you i am just very panicky, as i use this as my main phone
[Other SmartWatches] Theo de Kok:
An iphone charger is OK. What voltage where you reading between pin 1 and 4 or between 2 and 5 (only one of these will give a reading). Was it approx. 5V or something else? The polarity is not important.

You did send a link to a photo, but I'm colorblind and can't distinguish between colors unless the are very different.
[Other SmartWatches] dev_null:
the voltage between 1 and 4 was -2.65 between 2 and 5 it was 0.01, i only get 5 if i do 1 and 5