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[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] dhufford81:
No no, I understand perfectly. What I don't understand is why if you don't want to root or mod your phone, then why are you noobing up xda a development website with talks of staying stock. Do as you wish, just don't cry later. That's all I'm saying.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] forstir9:
This post is about the Update that is/was available through the Verizon software updater....why don't you understand that is simply what us non-rooted Note 3 owners want to talk about.

I use this app on my phone to read about others experiences with rooting...in the past it has convinced me to root (Samsung Fascinate). I also read about people bricking their phones, people who root and lose features that the want or need.

Am I allowed to have this phone unrooted? If I stay unrooted am I allowed to have this app? Can I ask questions even though I am unrooted? Can I respond to any post about a OTA update that I would have taken if it was still available?

We were warned many times in this thread about not taking the update...and within other threads in the General section of Note 3 as well. Some of us have been warned and we don't care about the consequences!!! Yet we would still love to talk about the update...

No I don't want to go to the Verizon website and talk about it...I like to talk about here.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] T3KN0P13:
Unfortunately, I got *****slapped for complaining about this "post highjacking" going in in the general forums. In the forums rules it states to stay "on topic" and that's what I wanted to see in this post mostly.

The forums are riddled with WARNINGS about NOT updating to kitkat...and for some reason no one got my point.

I have 6 devices that are rooted and my wife's phone is stock, and she wants it to stay stock. So I wanted to see how the plain old stock update was, but I was told to hit another forum since this is Beans and Hashcodes forums..honestly I do thank them for their hard work, but there are some xda members that want a post or two that focuses on pure stock rom issues. It kinda helps those looking to stay stock.

Development is not all about "rooting" and since we have post all over the place for development and rooting keeping a post or two clean for stock issues would be nice!
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] Cardboard Tube Knight:
Because this is a developer site and if anyone was going to know what would happen with Odin and loading that file on a phone it would be the people here?

That's what people claim to root for a lot of the time, developing and understanding the phone better. So it seems that this will be the perfect place to ask.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] smacsteve:
This is why carrier bloatware is bad...

Obviously there's going to be more issues when a carrier wants to load it's crapware (Verizon VVM for one) and it's more stuff to go wrong with the firmware updates! Ugh! I'm so sick of VZN bloatware. Reading the above post has convinced me that I need to Root! I'm a newbie to Rooting though. What would some of you veterans say is the best link to a step by step (video would be even better) guide to doing it on my Note 3 with 4.3?
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] hovercraftdriver:
I bought mine last week is this is the post I followed:

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=2543386

Then this one to upgrade to KitKat if you want to take it that far:

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=2740466

Just read, reread again, and then another time if you are unsure...click on any associated links and read those too, until you are comfortable of what you are about to do.

I have rooted many phones, but one missed step can make a pretty easy task turn into a pain in the ass, if not a full-blown nightmare....DID I MENTION READ THE STEPS and GET COMFORTABLE BEFORE YOU START??? :laugh:
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] Tersanyus:
For those that may want to know, the NC4 tar file can be loaded thru Odin list like the NC2 file did. I just completed it. Yes I understand I lost something very valuable with NC2.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] amebiasis:
DL just reported an actual OTA is starting to be pushed instead of having to use Kies. So anyone with problems trying yesterday should start checking their phones. Still waiting on the change log from big red though.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] TheLoonyRebel:
It'll take some time for KEXEC to get working due to the amount of work it requires but it can be done. Trust me as someone who experienced this on the Droid RAZR (which was also done by Hashcode btw) I can speak first hand on it being worth the wait. Not to mention who knows if NC4 will be able to be rooted or not. Nope not worth the risk of going to an OTA that may or may not have root just so I can have "the latest."
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] smacsteve:
Confirmed! I'd checked about an hour ago and nothing, but after seeing this reply to the thread I just checked and I'm currently downloading a firmware update OTA. Cool!
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] igotgame:
Can anyone confirm if FoxFi will work on today's OTA update from Verizon? That's really the only thing I care about on this phone when it comes to updating from 4.3 to 4.4.

Sent from my Galaxy Note 3
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] docfong:
Working great for me. I think FoxFi was already updated to work on 4.4.2 before the OTA
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] igotgame:
Yea it was.. Just wanted confirmation for sure.

Thanks!

Sent from my Galaxy Note 3

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Anyone installed the OTA after having rooted with Kingo? Any issues?

I've uninstalled safestrap recovery and now just have a few things frozen to unfreeze and then I could update, but just curious if the kingo root method would cause any issues.

Sent from my Galaxy Note 3
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] mlin:
Kinda relieved to see NC2 wasn't the final build. I've found it to be a little buggy.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] matt_1224:
Took the ota update with survival mode checked in SuperSU and now I have kitkat and root, yay!
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] fletch33:
GOOD NEWS!
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] Snook321:
Hey what font is that?
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] bdrlgn05:
It's called Burbank. I installed it using an app called iFont
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] njfoses:
Most people will be on to another device long before this may come to fruition.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] ShaunWinSC:
Would that mean we could Odin in NC4 from NC2 with Survival Mode checked in SuperSU?
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] amebiasis:
Has anyone else tried this?! Awesome if it's true have you tried using root checker to verify?

[MENTION=4395895]BeansTown106[/MENTION] could this be a loophole for us to have custom TW roms on NC4? I'm sticking w/NC2 but I know you were looking into getting root on this build.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] matt_1224:
Ya I used root checker. Here is an image proving I'm on 4.4.2 NC4 with airterm open where I executed su.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] sublimaze:
You have balls of steel. Kudos for taking the plunge and reporting back :good:
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] rebdogg:
Excellent! I didn't know the update came out until I just pulled my phone out of my pocket and saw it was mid download. Hit cancel and came straight here to see what you pros are saying. Thanks for the tip!
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] CuedUp:
Balls of steel indeed. And great use of the multiwindow/floating window to show off your root! :good:
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] matt_1224:
If anyone does what I did then they are assuming all the risk. Just because I did it and still have root doesn't mean that everyone will have the same results. With that said if anyone wants more proof I will be happy to oblige.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] amebiasis:
+1 For the balls of steel post lol

And also talking with some other guys, since the NC2 leak most of the other roms had the updater takin out so it wouldn't update. What rom were you using a stock 4.3? This is possibly some huge news so just trying to figure it out, my buddy who had a stock root N3 doesn't want to lose root, so curious how you did this exactly. I'm sure others are too! Thanks for the info and taking the dive!
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] edwmsjr:
[MENTION=3125825]matt_1224[/MENTION], I'm running the 4.4.2(NC2) leaked, pre-rooted, deodexed build that Beans put out and I can't do an OTA because it's disabled (I get "unfortunately settings has stopped"), and I think most devs do that to prevent accidental OTA's.

So, I had a couple of questions. What were you running before...4.3 or 4.4.2(NC2)? Also, you were obviously rooted since you had SU, but what firmware/rom were you running? Did you have to do anything special to enable the "software update" feature under settings? I think that covers it. :)

Thanks in advance for your answers!
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] matt_1224:
I was running stock 4.3 MJE rooted with kingo 1.1.5 and no safestrape installed. Again anyone that does what I did is assuming the risk that it may/may not work for them.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] rebdogg:
Thanks man I'll hold off a bit until I pull the trigger. Were you completely stock before you did this? Should have asked that earlier.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] Morlok8k:
Can you tell us what else you have had on your phone? Like Wanam Xposed to hide the Custom status, etc?

I'd like to see others confirm this before I do the same.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] matt_1224:
I was running stock 4.3 MJE rooted with kingo 1.1.5 and no safestrape installed. That was it, no tweaks to hide anything just plain old stock.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] Morlok8k:
thank you.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] rebdogg:
What do you have going on with your N3? I'm stock with safestrap and Wanam. Thinking about trying this tonight although losing root would suck. I'd install the leaked rooted rom but my computer just recently crashed and burned. I also don't have balls of steel :(
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] Morlok8k:
I dont have safestrap, but i have Wanam (and other xposed modules).

I also did the tether provisioning hack on the framework file itself. (though i did that before installing xposed, so wanam can do that for me instead.)

I've heard that removing bloat (instead of freezing it) and messing with framework files can make the OTA fail.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] RngrYogi:
Hey guys thanks for all the wonderful info. For the guys who used the survival feature of the superSU app coming from MJE did u disable superuser first before enabling the survival mode and then update or did u leave it enabled when you did the update?
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] matt_1224:
I think that I'm the only one that has taken the leap of faith so far. All I did was enable survival mode and take the update. I didnt disable anything. Stock 4.3 rooted with Kingo, safestrape wasn't installed.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] RngrYogi:
Ok I'm in the same position as you.. Ill leave superuser enabled and do the ota with the survival mode turned on and report back in a few mins. WISH ME LUCK!!! lol
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] matt_1224:
Just know that youre assuming the risk if anything does bad.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] AviationPhotographer:
I can confirm as well, enabled Survival Mode in SuperSU, ran the OTA update, finished installing just fine and still had full root! Thanks for the heads up on Survival Mode!
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] RngrYogi:
Ok. First attempt failed. on stock 4.3 rooted with kingo no safestrap but wanam exposed installed. hmm wonder what went wrong.. may try one more time with superuser disabled otherwise I won't risk it again lol

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Im pretty sure I know what happened. I edited my build prop a while back to enable viper4android fx to function properly. I bet if i edit it back temporarily ill update smoothly.. let me give it a try.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] matt_1224:
Just a crazy idea that actually paid off.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] rebdogg:
So I went ahead and did the update...downloaded and tried installing but got an error. Tried it twice. Any ideas of what must be going wrong? I do have a few modules turned on in Xposed such as NFC while screen is off and can't remember what else. Not looking good so far :(
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] RngrYogi:
I can't get mine to update either.. I need a stock copy of the MJE Build.prop as I think mine had more edits than I can remember to turn back. And I disabled xposed and its modules and disabled SuperSU with survival mode on and nothing is allowing the update to finish.. I get error 402.

Can anyone provide a Stock build.prop I can't find one anywhere! lol Thx in advance
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] rebdogg:
How do you disable the exposed modules and put everything back to normal? I know there were a few things I changed around but can't remember all of them.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] LeftyGR:
When you activate xposed the first time, it puts a zip on your internal sd. Flash it.

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[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] ScottMach:
Created an account just to confirm that stock, rooted rom with survival mode checked on SuperSU was able to take the OTA and have full root on NC4. Good times! Thanks to matt_1224 for the heads up.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] rebdogg:
I just went ahead and disabled it. Everything looks like it's back to how it was before xposed (custom with unlocked lock shows up in boot screen, NFC icon is back, battery icon is back to normal) but still won't let me update. Not too worried, I'll eventually get to install the leaked rom but now it's just the point that I want to figure this out because it's bothering me!
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] ogrosticlops:
I'm not replying to troll or to incite an argument, but why the rush to adopt NC4 and the new bootloader? What advantages do you see above using the NC2 leak with all of it's nice holes and older bootloader? I'm only asking because I generally love running the newest (even alpha) builds of android for my devices, but to update your bootloader even though you get to keep root, when several of the cream of the crop devs have suggested against it.. I'm just trying to understand.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] fletch33:
Beans any word on a pre-root release coming?

thanks
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] rebdogg:
I definitely hear what you're saying. As for myself, my computer just crapped out so can't manually install the leaked rom. This would have been a great way to update yet keep root and use my phone to do the things I have been doing. I usually don't go too crazy with tweaks, just little things here and there. If I were able to update and keep root I would have been perfectly satisfied with it. But yes i totally get what you're saying and I might as well go that route if I can't figure this out.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] ogrosticlops:
If you can bite the bullet for just a bit, or even get a few seconds to use a friend's computer ( since the pc is only necessary for the tiny firmware flash with odin) I'd really urge you to hold out. And I'm saying that from experience. I'm the guy who use to try to tweak Hero sense to run on my HTC G1 when it clearly was never going be capable. But, I did have a Droid X, that I loved and never gave up on, and even though there's no goal in sight for our device, when kexec 2nd init was ready for the X, it unlocked a WORLD of awesome roms, and all the features that are manufacturer specific, even hybrid roms. It's really neat that we have the potential that it may happen, and to lose the chance just to update now for what amounts to not a ton of features seems like it could be disappointing. Like I said, we all make our choices, and when I set my mind to something, good luck stopping me, but I just wanted to throw my 2 cents in, from tons of experience, having a lot of devices, with both locked and unlocked bootloaders.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] matt_1224:
Because maybe there are only certain things that we wanna do with root that doesnt involve the bootloader.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] ogrosticlops:
I can understand that, I'm just trying to get a perspective, as I see past the quick fix and look forward to the availability of other options that may arise in the future. After a few months of touchwiz, I like change and have AOSP for a while, and switch back. I'll drop it here, and thanks for your reply. I hate how things here can devolve into arguments in every direction, or someone asking the same questions every page. This sub seems mostly modded well, or illiteracy-free, and I love it here. It's always turns into a battle on XDA, and It's cool to see people calming down and just going with it.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] matt_1224:
I wasn't trying to start an argument or anything with my last reply. The only reason I even posted the fact that I updated and kept root is because there is always gonna someone like me that doesn't care for unlocked this or that. I only want root for certain things.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] Michael R.:
This is exciting stuff! I run eclipse and the performance and battery life are outstanding. The thought of Kexec and aosp has me revved.

Definitely giving beans some beer money when I get paid.

I'm curious if people were able to get passed the "firmware not supported" error they were getting
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] fan_y22:
Has anyone else tried taking the OTA with the SU survival mode trick? Did it work for you? I'm very tempted but too chicken and don't want to risk root... :(
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] igotgame:
I tried but the update failed. The only thing I remember doing was adding WiFi Hotspot toggle which I reverted. I've unfroze all frozen apps. So I'm not sure what is causing my issue at the moment.

I did have safestrap recovery installed but I uninstalled it..I used kingo but don't know if that's the issue.

Wish I could figure this out, but I'm not sure.. I didn't make any build prop edits or anything. I wonder if the Safestrap install has something to do with it because I still have that custom unlock logo on boot.

Sent from my Galaxy Note 3
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] MeridianSun:
Same problem here. It's frustrating.

Sent from my Note 3
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] igotgame:
I think it's got something to do with Safestrap recovery.

I really don't want to Odin back to stock MJE, but might not have a choice.

Sent from my Galaxy Note 3
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] MeridianSun:
I don't have safestrap. I did use wanam and xposed though. I returned everything to stock and unfroze everything but no go.

Sent from my Note 3
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] igotgame:
Did you use kingo to root?

Sent from my Galaxy Note 3
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] MeridianSun:
No I didn't. I rooted it when I first got it and I got it when the phone was released. I don't remember the name of the root.

Sent from my Note 3
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] kididaho:
Do not try keeping root with SuperSu in survival mode with Odin. I tried and lost root.

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?p=52655988
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] matt_1224:
I was on complete stock 4.3 rooted with kingo(not sure that actually matters). Never used Wanam or had safestrap installed. Idk why it worked for me but I'm sorry you guys can't accept the ota

Sent from my rooted Note 3 on 4.4.2 NC4 baseband
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] neopolotin75:
I think that's the key for any on willing to try it. Have you noticed anything different than NC2? I wonder if it's just the radios and incremental boot and that's it.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] matt_1224:
I was never on NC2. I updated from stock MJE. So I couldn't tell you a difference if I wanted to lol.

Sent from my rooted Note 3 on 4.4.2 NC4 baseband
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] igotgame:
I'm not seeing great things about battery life so maybe it's a good thing the update failed for me. I'll stick with 4.3

Sent from my Galaxy Note 3
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] cp2001:
I can also confirm, enabled Survival Mode in SuperSU, ran the OTA update, finished installing just fine and still had full root via root checker. Thanks for the heads up on Survival Mode. I was on stock 4.3.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] fan_y22:
I tried taking the OTA with the SU Survival mode trick, but install failed… Stock 4.3 MJE, rooted and Safestrapped.

Any ideas?
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] igotgame:
Same here... Uninstalling safestrap apparently isn't good enough.

Sent from my Galaxy Note 3
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] lostintelligence:
I Odin'd back to stock 4.3 when my OTA failed. I then used Kingo to reroot my phone and then used survival mode to take update successfully and retain root.

I too had a bunch of modifications that were failing the OTA but flashing stock fixed that.

I did realize this morning though that should any more updates come (ie 4.4.3 or other) I'm stuck here unless they develop a root for KK.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] Morlok8k:
I'm stock, rooted. only changes have been tether hack + wanam xposed.

I've rolled back the tether hack.

SU survival is enabled.

I still had wanam enabled. i tried the update, but it just went to the recovery menu. Error 410.

I rebooted. disabled the wanam module (but not exposed itself).

tried again. (it redownloads the whole update? thats stupid...)

system update started. i looked away for a minute then saw the boot screen. no change. Error 402.

uninstalled the xposed framework. rebooted

downloaded for the third time, the OTA. failed. error 402 again.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] tonedinh:
Can't use my note 3 on T-Mobile now

I have the Ota update and bow it won't work with TMobile, does anyone know how to get other carriers working?
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] herrdrjonz:
Why take this OTA?

I don't know why anyone would try it and lose the ability to try all the other ROMs out there. For example, I'm on Biggins ROM now which is just excellent. And if I want the NC4 update, I can get that on droidforums dot net (there is some thread on it already). I haven't had the itch to try to bother to go from NC2 to NC4. And I'm worried that pure OTA even rooted might not be future proof yet.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] ccctexas:
Ok. I should have slowed down, but I updated OTA before I read this - never thought Verizon would make it almost impossible to root. ANY CHANCE AT ALL I can root this thing now? I really want to restore SD card capabilities and get rid of some of the extra software.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] Borderpatrol1987:
Nope, now your stuck till a root, if any is found.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] ccctexas:
There has got to be a way. Seems lIke no matter how hard the big guys try to thwart it, someone works around it. Thanks.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] airmaxx23:
There isn't even a way to root NC2 unless you install a pre-rooted version. You currently can't use Odin to go back to MJE to regain root either.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] NeoMagus:
If there is a way for them to do it you're going to be waiting a while for it

http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=52609797&postcount=42
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] Invixtus:
I can confirm this also. Enable Survival Mode, left Superuser enabled, Ran the OTA update and finsished installing and I still have full root.

I was failing initially to update and it was due to my dpi setting. I had to change it back to stock 480.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] igotgame:
I'm guessing you never used Safestrap right?

Has anyone successfully updated that used safestrap recovery at some point?

Sent from my Galaxy Note 3
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] Invixtus:
Not on this phone.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] Xproplayer:
I am similar to you but I have a bunch of apps disabled, a lot of verizon things mostly, do you know if that will matter?