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[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] psychobob123:
Don't cry like me.....

My phone was running great. I had my favorite apps that needed root, and I had gotten rid of all those stupid ads placed next to buttons. Then I accepted the update. I didn't know that it was this ugly ad infested monster that would not offer me anything. Just more apps to disable and crap that makes me mad.

Who do I donate to that will help get this thing rooted?

I will gladly be a test subject and try anything that needs to be tested. Let me help in anyway I can.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] :
Sorry but it looks pretty bleak for root on the OTA, the S5 root thread is at $17,112.00 for root. Believe me there are some very talented devs working on this but with that kind of cash and no root it doesn't look good at all. It's for a different phone but it's the same 4.4.2 android os.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] hairdewx:
I was able to update and keep root.

I did pay for the premium SuperSU, not sure if that makes a difference.

I was also initially failing the OTA update with error 402. To fix this I did the following:

1) Uninstalled Xposed Framework

2) Rebooted

3) Uninstalled multiwindow mod app

3) Replaced system/csc/feature.xml with the feature.xml.backup that was created when I used the multiwindow mod app

4) Rebooted

5) Disabled Superuser

6) Enabled Survival mode

7) Downloaded and installed OTA update

8) After update I enabled Superuser right back
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] bodhisattvah:
I have the paid SuperSU as well. The only thing I did different was not disabling it before updating. I did turn on survivability mode though. It wasn't obvious to me that I should have disabled SuperSU (since I wanted to keep root).

So anybody attempting it, maybe try that? Or just stick with NC2 and avoid NC4/OTA updates until this is sorted.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] stupidchicken03:
I paid for SU Pro

-Disabled SU

-Entered Survival Mode

-Accepted/Installed Update

-Reboot

-Kept/Enabled Root

:)
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] LeftyGR:
Ok. So a number of you are going up from nc2 to nc4. Regardless of whether reasons you had... honestly, what differences between the two are you getting? Has the slight update been worth it?

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[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] hsbadr:
It isn't worth it. Even if they've rooted NC4 now, they lost all the benefits of the leaked bootloader (e.g., downgradability and "kexec" possibility). Additionally, they'll have no option to reroot or recover when needed––until finding a root method for KK, which could take a long time.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] thelonewolf1985:
I keep getting error durring the install. i have removed the xposed framework, wanum exposed, disabled su and entered survival mode, no luck... any thoughts?
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] matt_1224:
I think maybe you need to speak for yourself and not for everyone that has updated. As I've said before and will say as many times as needed, I don't need to be able to downgrade nor do I care about kexec. They are useless to me.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] hsbadr:
Sorry, but I didn't mention you in my reply. Anyone on NC4 may lose the root for some reason and then wait for a KK root method. The ability to downgrade gives an option to reroot when needed. However, you can do whatever you want.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] LeftyGR:
That may be true, for you and for others. Reasons don't matter. But what I'm actually asking is (if you were on nc2) was there a quantifiable difference for you between nc2 and nc4?

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[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] vt_hokie2008:
How can I get the notification for the OTA update to go away?
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] hairdewx:
Check if system/csc/feature.xml was modified by another app. Often apps that add features such as more apps to multiwindow and the pen window will edit that file. The update will fail if feature.xml fails a crc check. Hopefully there will be a backup if it was edited by an app.

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This thread discusses some of the differences.

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=2749401

I wanted the new modem firmware for the best XLTE experience coupled with the best stability for work so updating through the OTA was a no brainer for me.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] thelonewolf1985:
How would i rename the xml to use the .bak file?
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] hairdewx:
Let's say you have two files:

system/csc/feature.xml

system/csc/feature.xml.backup

Use a file explorer app that has root access such as ES File Explorer and

rename system/csc/feature.xml to system/csc/feature.xml.something

rename system/csc/feature.xml.backup to system/csc/feature.xml

then reboot.

***This assumes the .bak file you have is of the original system/csc/feature.xml file***
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] thelonewolf1985:
Oh nm i figured out where they hide the mount rw options in the new version of es
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] LeftyGR:
This

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=2753732

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[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] Michael R.:
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[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] thelonewolf1985:
still failing
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] hairdewx:
Have you done anything else to your phone? Maybe enable service menus? Something is not matching up with what should be stock.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] stupidchicken03:
I remember reading some were having issues with the VZ Visual Voice mail keep popping up in the notification bar about an update to it. I cant find the post right now but im having the same issue. Is there a fix for it?

Edit:

found it on the first page of this thread. Guess ill try calling Tech Sup and see if they can reset my VM.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] thelonewolf1985:
nothing else that's why I am at a loss, doesn't give any error numbers or anything
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] hairdewx:
When you check for software updates it will pop a window up showing the last failed attempt and there should be an error code in there somewhere. It doesn't mark it specifically as an error code.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] igotgame:
I think if you used Safestrap recovery at any point...You have to Odin back to stock MJE before you can take the OTA update. I haven't seen anyone say they successfully updated when they used Safestrap in the past.

I have Safestrap recovery uninstalled and am back to just stock rooted and the OTA still just fails.

Sent from my Galaxy Note 3
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] thelonewolf1985:
never used safestrap
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] igotgame:
I wonder if having the "Custom" logo at boot is an issue when trying to do the OTA?

Sent from my Galaxy Note 3
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] hsbadr:
A safe upgrade to NC4 is available here.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] welube:
N900VVRUCNC4 on SM-N900v

I would like to know if there is anyway to downgrade from Kit Kat 4.4.2. flashed using N900VVRUCNC4 on SM-N900v. I need to root it once the verizon setup blocks a lot of stuff here in Brazil causing unstable Internet from 3g and wireless. I read that there is no way back, but must have a light at the end of the tunnel. Please let me know any possibility. Thanks a lot.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] Borderpatrol1987:
Once your on NC4, your stuck
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] forstir9:
I thought root wouldn't happen?
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] fletch33:
I don't think anyone said that exactly but just that it keeps getting harder and devs speak of just not putting in effort anymire. Looks like 18k did it for geohot though :)
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] 92slammer:
What r you talking about???
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] Circlel05:
Verizon has one that should work for you.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] T3KN0P13:
Wow! Intelligent answer...read the title please.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] mjh68:
So you come to Xda developer's forum for info on Stock updates.......try DROID life [emoji3]
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] Circlel05:
Just saying. If you don't like being warned by someone who does a ton of work for everyone to use freely then don't read these forums. If you've been here any am out of time I'll bet you have benefited from his work and knowledge in some way. Complaining about him posting warnings is rude.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] T3KN0P13:
Yes I do! when it concerns how the update effects my phone and the title is regarding the Verizon update. So spamming don't take the update does nothing for me. I have other devices rom **** loads of roms. I wanted to find out how the stock update performed, but maybe you're right I'll head somewhere else for this info since it's going to be high jacked.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] amebiasis:
+1 This is general forum for developing. DL is more for android fans and regular public.

Ya if your not familiar Beans along with Hashcode and a few other awesome devs are the people who has given us root/safestrap/custom roms/ and looking at the possibility of kexec which would allow us to run custom kernels/aosp based roms. I've been using Beans stuff since my GS3 days. Trust me he was not trying to promote his or anyone else's work. As you said this is a general forum. He was as he has done in the past giving everyone including new people not familiar with this stuff a heads up not to take this unless you want to possibility to loose all root features, safestrap etc to anyone that might be reading this thread. Thats all. No promoting his stuff just trying to save newbies and people not all that familiar a huge headache.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] Dc4479:
Your blood pressure must be through the roof, keep calm man. You may not have found his post helpful but I certainly did. As I'm sure countless others have as well.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] platinumrims:
Just throwing this out there... I read an article a few hours ago saying the 4.4.2 update was available via computer but hasn't been pushed OTA yet..
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] T3KN0P13:
So as a forum for general developing we are not supposed to find out how the original stock update is going for the people installing it on there phones. Maybe we wanna know if the bootloaders still locked or maybe just maybe someone can install the stock rom and let us know how it went and what issues or bugs they have found.

I guess taking pictures must be a developers thing so i should refrain from looking in there since im a noob

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=2478957
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] amebiasis:
You do realize bootloaders, bugs, etc are a development issue right?

And yes there are other threads about random things. He just stated that he is working on a way to achieve root etc. And someone asked a ? And you started complaining

after that. No one else has complaned. Everyone else is complaining or trying to explain to you. This is a brand new update just launched right away. You won't get all your answers you want right now. If you want them then download it for yourself, and report back as other people will surely do and let us know on this thread. You haven't allowed but a few hours to pass and want answers now.

Let's get back to topic now...

MODS it'd be nice to clean this thread up if possible and WAIT for people to actually report on things.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] T3KN0P13:
Lol this isn't a post about rooting it's a post about the software update through Verizons software...where in the title does it state that..no this is more about everyone pouncing on a thread pushing anti kitkat bull****.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] jaimanny:
Root new Firmware?

Has anyone figured a way to root the new note 3 Verizon 4.4 firmware?

I used Kingo when I was on the 4.3.. but that doesn't work for 4.4

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[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] cyberpyr8:
I ran it through the Verizon upgrade software and other than locking up after the first boot at the lock screen (battery pull fixed it), it is working fine. It took a few minutes to balance out then it started working normally. The whole process took about 20 minutes.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] Big Cam:
There is a process for updating to Kit Kat from 4.3 if you are rooted, if you took the OTA update, you are out of luck for now.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] ShaunWinSC:
Okay everyone lets stop feeding the troll T3KN0P13... Most everyone knows what the forum is about.

Looking forward to see what can be done with MC4! Until then, long live NC2!!!
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] maliciousintent:
Took the update though the vzw software updater.

Only one problem. Visual voice mail prompted me to update the visual voice mail app.

I don't use visual vm. But since it said it would be free for basic vvm I went a head the app said there was a problem and to call tech support.

So I killed the app. It prompted me again to update vvm.

Forced stop, cleared cache and data reboot. Prompted again. Called tech support.

They had me do a factory data reset. Still prompted me to update the vvm app.

Tech support ended up reseting my vm account to new user. So far no new prompts to update the vvm app.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] BeansTown106:
mehh.. all im doing is telling people to hold off on updating if they want to retain root because going forward there is no publicly diclosed CVE that we can use on kitkat at this point.. if ur here your more than likely here about rooting, roms, etc.

if u want the ota go for it i wont stop you but the bootloaders are definetly incremented so no going back and getting root

nc2 bootloader = 0000000200000009

nc4 bootloader = 0000000300000009
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] acetkbez:
google wallet

so does google wallet tap to pay work on the verizon ota?
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] bajasur:
There is not much to be informed about regarding stock updates...really only one thing..

DO NOT TAKE THEM.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] giovonniAndroid23:
Do we have root?

Ok, so i took the update, installed working great! BUT i cant get root, tryed Kingo, no luck, IS THERE A ROOT METHOD for verizon 4.4.2 that DOES NOT involve a wipe?
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] BeansTown106:
nope and prob wont for a long time
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] forstir9:
I came home and took the update from VZW upgrade assistant...yet I am still on 4.3 and plugging it back in tells me that my phone is up to date.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] ryanbg:
Just reaffirming what beans said, do NOT install this upgrade. Aboot is patched so you can NOT downgrade back to 4.3. This is very useful for a variety of things, and the NC2 build can be put on top of the NC4 system given time. STAY PUT, AVOID OTA. Kernel modules are billions of times more important than any benefit this update could ever provide, other than a full unlock.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] forstir9:
There isn't an update available for me anyway...Kies and Upgrade assistance both say that I am up to date and i am still at 4.3.

I am on the Edge program and I am leaning towards not rooting so that there isn't any excuses if I go to upgrade in a year. I usually only root if there is something broke and rooting is the only way to fix it. Besides bloat I am not seeing anything broken on this Note 3...well except that I can't upgrade and others that they can!
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] cyberpyr8:
I'm not very happy with this so far. It lags. The visual voice mail prompt came up a few times and fails. The battery fully charged now has a notification that beeped. Did I mention it lags? Don't upgrade yet. This is not very good so far.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] Trigster:
I'm getting the same thing, its possible it was pulled already?

Or it may only be out for certain S/N's.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] Borderpatrol1987:
http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?p=52210306
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] stryfetew:
I don't even see the update for mine.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] destevez1:
Neither do I
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] amebiasis:
Me and the wife are on the edge and monthly payment/upgrade programs to. From what an actual verizon store rep told me we should be good as long as we can roll back to stock and unroot which we can do currently, and know isn't tripped. Even then he said he roots and roms his phones he said, if know is tripped they can always basically do there own JTAG and that it will be back to normal and not to worry about modding our phones. Saying that I'm running a custom rom, rooted and heavily themed. I wouldn't worry to much about it man and enjoy our custom phones we didn't subsidize but bought out straight!
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] cdhinch:
I had the same problem that maliciousintent had with Visual Voice Mail. I spoke to someone in tier II support and he said that there have been other reports of people with the same problem with VVM. He said that it likely a bug that will have to be patched.

It is quiet possible that the update has been pulled until they squash the bug.

Charles
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] stryfetew:
I think they pulled the update honestly. The minute I found the G+ threads about it being pushed out it disappeared..
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] slowz3r:
NC2 to NC4 wont work via update assistant. Any workarounds?
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] ShaunWinSC:
Not sure if this will help?

http://www.samsung-updates.com/details/27868/Galaxy_Note_3_Verizon/SM-N900V/VZW/N900VVRUCNC4.html
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] slowz3r:
am downloading now. not sure how its packaged
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] Jweimn:
How would this package be installed?
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] mjh68:
Looks like flashed in Odin
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] Jweimn:
Does that involve a full wipe or no?
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] mjh68:
I would just wait until beans has a chance to play with it. Otherwise , you will be stuck on this without a way to flash back
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] Jweimn:
Yea I was probably going to wait until OTA is available or the Kies/upgrade assistant method is opened up again
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] slowz3r:
Where you trying to upgrade from NC2 or MJE? I was trying to upgrade from NC2, and yes I understand the upgrade is most likely pulled now but I was getting a message from SUA saying that upgrade was not supported from my firmware or something like that. you get anything similar.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] Jweimn:
I was trying from MJE I must not have gotten to the update quick enough as I just get I'm up to date
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] slowz3r:
Hmm I'm looking for someone trying to upgrade from NC2 to see if they got the same error I got.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] Jweimn:
I'd imagine to update will be tricky from the leak as you are not on the upgrade path anymore so you couldn't by any official means I'd think.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] slowz3r:
I guess I'll have to wait and see when it comes live again. In the past (not with samsung) Ive been able to upgrade from leaked versions to official. So who knows how it will pan out.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] Jweimn:
No yea I agree hopefully it just let's you upgrade that'd be the easiest
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] sinclac:
I got this when i tried to go from NC2 to NC4ota

verizon note 3 your device's current firmware version not supported
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] slowz3r:
Worked from that download link

I just Odin'd from that link someone posted earlier in the thread, worked just fine, no problems NC2 to NC4
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] Tersanyus:
I tried to upgrade from the nc2 leak. Software update said firmware not supported too. Kies said was on most current.

Completely stock NC2 leak here. No root or anything.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] slowz3r:
see my reply above.

EDIT: since it this started a new page. I was able to flash from NC2 to NC4 from the links posted earlier in the thread. No problems jsut straight forward Odin and no wipe needed.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] TheLoonyRebel:
To anyone considering jumping to NC4 if you are on the leaked NC2 please read this:

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=2727876

I would strongly listen to Hashcode on this. You are risking losing a ton of benefits right now with NC2 just to gain a few minor things on NC4. Not worth it folks.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] sinclac:
Downloading now and the free link is SSSLOOOOOOWWWWW

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I myself am on the edge program and don't plan on doing anything fancy with the phone.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] TheLoonyRebel:
Read what Hashcode wrote anyways. There's a number of benefits that you are going to pass on.

And also BeansTown is working on something so we can get NC4 working with the NC2 stuff. So yes it'll be worth waiting a bit. Trust me on that.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] slowz3r:
As of late rooting hasn't had anything that would make me really wanna stay back. Unless a boot loader unlock was available I don't care anymore. I miss my nexus :(
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] TheLoonyRebel:
NC2 = insecure kernel that could lead to a potential way of getting AOSP ROMs on our Note 3 via KEXEC. That alone is worth it.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] Cardboard Tube Knight:
Using the binary posted earlier in this thread would it be possible for me to use Odin to update my phone to Kitkat? I understand it's not recommended, but would it be possible?
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] shojus:
To everyone telling people NOT to update, let them! This has been said so many times that it's getting super old and if they wanna take this update than I would just sit back and laugh after they figure out they can no longer root or do anything that requires root privileges. Get some of that shiny new NC4 everybody because all these devs have just been joking with everybody the whole time and root lasts forever... :p Android is slowly but surely getting locked down and exploits are closing FAST, if there even is one. Stay rooted my friends! Thanks Beans for checking this out as well. You are a HUGE asset to this community. :good:
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] slowz3r:
That's what i did. No problems here

I knew that NC2 was vulnerable when I flashed nc4 but I personally don't regret it. The day I see someone flashAOSP or flash a custom kernel or even a custom biitkoader then I will have regrets but now everything is all speculation and we don't know what progress is actually made toward this goal
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] dhufford81:
If I see anyone crying in the future about taking this update and not being able to root, ROM, or whatever, be prepared. It will not be nice words.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] sinclac:
What you don't seem to understand is NOT all of us want to do that stuff (I don't want to take the chance with my warranty) so i don't care about that.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] slowz3r:
Most of the people who wine about not having root don't really frequent these forums much so your warning goes unheaded anyway. I updated and if I dug my own grave then so be it but right now what awesome things does rooting give us. Sure we have xposed and that's it no kernels nothing
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] droidstyle:
Why would you not want root? You mean to tell me you want a fully bloated device with apps that are full of advertisement?

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Lets see..root allows us;

Adfree

Removal of bloat

Wanam xposed

Build prop editor

Terminal Em

Back up applications such as Tibu

To each is own but I could not stand to be on a fully bloated full of advertisement stock rom. Root gives me the choice to set my device up the way I want it.
[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] LeftyGR:
There's a few other things you get with rooting vzw n3's. Customized settings and tweaks, themes, and removing all the crapware vzw adds onto the device.

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[Verizon Galaxy Note 3 General] forstir9:
Once the OTA is available than Verizon will be selling the phone with the 4.4 already downloaded....Are the buyers of those phones allowed to whine and complain?