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[Droid Ultra General] ratman6161:
There is a new phone out every other week....

...from some company or other. So there is no way to tell what will be the best price vs performance choice a year and a half from now when my contract expires again.

I have to say thought that even though I have had root on previous Android Phones (Droid 1 and Droid 3) I don't really miss it on my Max. The biggest reason I wanted it on previous phones was to get rid of all the crap that I never used. But with the Maxx it seems like there is 1. less crap to begin with and 2. A lot of it can be disabled (including a lot of the verizon stuff) using the regular android settings menu. So I'm not particularly missing root on this phone.

On my Droid 1, late in its life I did start messing with custom roms just for fun. Funny thing is that I still have that Droid 1 sitting here on my desk running Cyanogen Mod 7.2 (think its .2 - don't remember for sure). It doesnt have cellular access anymore but it still works around the house as a WiFi only device.

PS: I was not sorry to see the Droid 3 go away. That one never lived up to my hopes for it. I liked the form factor and I do sometimes miss the physical keyboard but the CPU always seemed slow and I almost immediately regretted getting a 3G device rather than holding out a bit longer for a 4G phone.
[Droid Ultra General] svzurich:
I am very impressed with my Maxx, even today. I don't trust Verizon, and am leery of Lenovo. I want to continue with this company's awesome path that started with Google's purchase, but I am not sure that Lenovo will allow that. I am also disappointed that thanks to Verizon I am still running 4.4.0.

If they release a 64gb Moto whatever with a super battery, and the quality stays the same, I will stick with them barring further course changes for the company strategy.
[Droid Ultra General] SupremeOverlord:
My last 2 smartphones have been Motorola Droids and I love both of them. Unless in the future they remove the things I love about the phone (NFC, Qi Charging, Awesome Battery) I don't see myself using a different brand.
[Droid Ultra General] bwheelies:
When using other phones in the store, they just don't do it for me. I do love the Android experience on this latest phone.

I am ready to leave Verizon because of their scheming ways.

In the store moments ago the sales reps are telling a customer that his only option to get a new phone is to give up unlimited data or buy outright. Did not mention device payment plan. Shysters.
[Droid Ultra General] Gtech145:
I think I'll stick with Moto. My next device won't be a Droid though. The successor to the Moto X sounds pretty good.
[Droid Ultra General] ratman6161:
How to keep unlimited data...

...or at least how I did it. Don't get your phone at the Verizon Store. Order it online from Verizon (not from Amazon, wirefly, ect or any other third party - direct from Verizon). Along the way choose the option to "keep my existing plan". It let me keep my unlimited data plan that's been grandfathered for me ever since my first smart phone way back when (was a Samsung i760 Windows Mobile if anyone cares). I chose to "pick up in store" even though I had ordered on line. They guys at the store couldn't believe I still had unlimited data. They said they thought that couldn't be done.
[Droid Ultra General] Archangel:
I will stay with my Droid Mini. It has the best combination of size, power, apps, and now with it able to utilize the XLTE speeds makes it even better. I am just not that interested in getting a phone that I have to carry in hand vice in my pocket because every phone out now is 5" plus. I swear most newer phones are nearing the size of my Nexus 7 LOL.
[Droid Ultra General] Einsteindks:
I may jump ship if one came out with either 64Gb or SD card slot.

fat-fingered and Maxx-ed out.
[Droid Ultra General] ratman6161:
The Moto E has an SD card slot and the newer release of the Moto G is getting one too. I don't know if this is an indication that Moto is changing its philosophy with the Lenovo merger (Google doesn't like SD Cards) or just an acknowledgement that these "lesser phones" don't have enough on board storage to be useful without one. The E for example has only 4 GB storage and according to the article I read, has only 2.2 GB left for the user after the OS and system apps are installed.
[Droid Ultra General] akellar:
I would lean towards the latter and it being a cost saving move.
[Droid Ultra General] s_u_n:
These are Verizon phones

The title lists only the Droid series - Ultra/ Mini and Maxx.

The 'real' Motorola phones are the X, G and E for now.

So, question should be rephrased to "Who will stay with Verizon after the Ultra/Maxx/Mini?"

I am not in the US and using the Droid Maxx. My earlier phone - Motorola Defy - is still working after 3 years and several CM installs.

The hardware is pretty strong on that one and the build quality is good. The phone got wet several times in the rain and there have been no permanent issues due to water.

I cannot say the same for the Droid Maxx. It would be risking too much for me (I paid twice the amount to acquire a Droid Maxx, to what I paid to get a Defy three years ago.)

Hence I have put it into an Otterbox Defender series case to protect the phone since one fall on the floor will kill the phone.

The build quality of Droid Maxx is just like any other phone in the market perhaps.

But there are positives for sure.

1. The LCD has no bleeding, which I feel speaks of good quality.

2. The speaker has good volume and great quality (for music lovers)

3. The battery is awesome. For my limited use, it easily goes to the end of third day for me.

The Otterbox Defender adds a lot of bulk and the inbuilt screen protector reduces the touch sensitivity significantly (especially the virtual buttons).

But since I wish to use the phone for three more years, I think this is the price I have to pay for the beast.

I also bought a used Razr HD Maxx XT926 for my dad last year. The phone is really nice (and the 4.4.2 update is like the icing on the cake).

Luckily I have bootloader unlocked on that one, so I can retain control for a long time.
[Droid Ultra General] svzurich:
So long as I can keep my unlimited data and Verizon keeps their excellent coverage, I likely will stay with them. I'll just look to a more popular phone like a Moto X line that all carriers get. That seems to force Verizon to let Motorola update it faster.

I am an Ingress player, and involved in very active wars with the Las Vegas Resistance. Being able to get data in the middle of nowhere out in the desert is handy for Ingress. Being able to stream video while riding on the interstate is handy too. Verizon must hate me. :D
[Droid Ultra General] bwheelies:
They hate me too. I use 20 to 30gb average per month.

Can't wait to see their next trick to try and get rid of unlimited users.
[Droid Ultra General] jfriend33:
I hope we get the rumored successor to the droid maxx later this year. I hope if it is volte they let grandfathered unlimited customers keep their data.

I hope the refresh is a little more than last. The change from the droid razr maxx hd to the droid maxx was nice. But I only had my maxx hd for 4 months coming from a Galaxy Nexus.

I was happy to have any phone that didn't need constant charging or battery swapping.

I will say I am baffled about the release of Incipio Atlas case so late in the game. It was a pleasant surprise then realized it never really was fully released.

That being said I will respect what Dan Rosenberg said and consider the manufacturer and how easy the bootloader is to unlock. Or maybe just buy dev editions.

Most importantly the fact this model is a carrier exclusive I'm shocked that we got as many cases and accessories that we did. I do envy the moto X because of the options.

Despite all of this it's been my favorite phone. I get compliments all the time and my friends always know who's got juice left after an excursion!

I would kill for a phone that turns into a tablet that turns into a laptop (preferably dual booting) that could even function as a desktop. Each piece with its own battery. Asus padfone really had it right but man oh man did they botch the padfone x! Huge ugly bezels and no keyboard dock are you kidding me!

Sent from my unlocked consumer edition Motorola Droid Maxx xt1080m.
[Droid Ultra General] FelixNZ:
This so much. Not in the US, Got the mini because it was touted as the "newer, faster, better RAZR M" (originally a droid but also had a limited worldwide release I think?)

Love the speed & features of the device and clarity of the screen.

HATE the Verizon hamstringning. Finding out the hard way that Wifi hotspotting had been cynically made useless while we were travelling was a big punch in the gut. Having verizon/amazon/NFL crap on there is annoying, and the lack of open-ability is almost a deal-breaker for me.

If Moto made a proper RAZR M followup, nailing a smaller size phone with all the power and features of the god-awful-sized flagships, without exclusivity rubbish. I would buy it in a heartbeat.
[Droid Ultra General] 335Deezl:
I don't give a hoot who makes it. My next phone will be bought with the same requirements I've had for my last two (RAZR Maxx and Droid Maxx). It must not be a Phablet (It must fit comfortably in my front pocket), be relatively fast, and have a huge battery (probably the most important to me.
[Droid Ultra General] wernercd:
Moto...

They lost my business when they made their phones hard to root (Original Atrix owner here). My Note3 will most likely be my last Samsung as well for the same reason.

I shouldn't have to jump through hoops to disable updates so that I can keep my root (and associated tools that require root)
[Droid Ultra General] ratman6161:
Thing you have to remember is that generally speaking both the carriers and the phone manufacturers don't care if you can root and for the most part don't want you to. Other than phones specifically sold as Developer editions I think we can pretty much expect that rooting is a thing of the past and if you manage to do it, its a matter of luck. dumping a particular manufacturer or carrier isn't going to do any good.
[Droid Ultra General] jfriend33:
I wonder exactly how many people root their phones. Like a percentage by carrier.

And what their reasons for rooting are.

Mine are to get the data I pay for and improve my device.
[Droid Ultra General] GnatGoSplat:
I don't believe in brand loyalty. Any company that will make a smaller smartphone with small bezels and small body which has a good camera, high res, high ppi screen, and reasonably fast CPU will get my money. Doesn't matter to me who makes it. Last 2 years, it's been Motorola because the RAZR M and Mini were the best spec'd phones that actually had small bodies. Some "Mini" phones have small screens, but bigger body size than many 4.7" phones.
[Droid Ultra General] PILLMUZIK3600:
IM GOMMA STICK WITH MOTOROLA.. SINCE IVE HAD A ANDRLID PHONE MOTOROLA HAS BEEN MKING THR BEST HARDWARE IN MY OPPINION... OG DROID/DROID X/DROID 3/DROID BIONIC/DROID RAZR MAXX/DROID RAZR MAXX HD/ ULTRA /MAXX
[Droid Ultra General] flintbomb:
I agree.. Same for me.
[Droid Ultra General] BladeRunner:
That is a very good question. Not a big percentage by any means but enough so that the manufacturers release developer edition devices I would imagine.
[Droid Ultra General] recDNA:
Moto lost me when they went from razr maxx hd which had great specs for its time to the new generation which abandons any pretense of fastest processor or best hardware.

Sent from my Hyperdriven Note 3
[Droid Ultra General] dinkoh:
Any new phones in the market that will rival the MAXX battery? I think Philips has one, but it doesn't support LTE.
[Droid Ultra General] notjaykay:
As long as they're the only ones with Touchless Controls and Active Notifications, I'm going to be hard pressed to leave Motorola.
[Droid Ultra General] flintbomb:
I agree those are my favorite features. Although a little scary the phone is always listening.
[Droid Ultra General] BladeRunner:
the LG G3 will have a 3000 mAh battery
[Droid Ultra General] rdenova:
Moto phones seem the best we have had. Next one will have to be CM capable out of the box. The Droid Razr Maxx was so easy to root, SS and CM. Sucks SS ROMs 1-4 on the Droid Maxx are not usable like they are on the Razr Maxx. Not to mention only 16GB internal, no mem slot and no CM.
[Droid Ultra General] wernercd:
I know that their is a "small" percentage of users that care about doing "fancy" stuff like rooting, flashing, modding, adb, etc... I happen to be one of those. I refused to be unable to backup or change features of my phone if I want - that's why I left the iPhone scene.

I don't have "brand loyalty" either per-se... but if I am happy with V1, then V2 will be my first stop. I was happy with the Note 2 and thus I now have a Note 3. Knox and other restrictions are driving me from Note 4. I understand Phone Manufacturers and Carriers want their control... but when I can't uninstall Yahoo Pages, Random Car Game and Poor Attempt At Voice Search... I have issues.

Some say they don't want a "phablet", but that's definitely my cup of tea. I need the screen real estate. Rooting, flashing, roms, tweaking are my requirements. Qi charging, extended life batteries, high end camera, etc are all huge bonuses - not required but will lead me to a buy.
[Droid Ultra General] Samg381:
Might have to switch to oneplus if verizon keeps up this anti-rooting bs.
[Droid Ultra General] svzurich:
I already did. Also ordered the Saygus V2.

Opened a T-Mobile account recently with my OPO to take advantage of the 2 lines with Unlimited Everything for $100 a month. That's roughly $50 each, which is nothing considering T-Mobile usually offers Unlimited Everything for $80. Covers both me and my girlfriend. Still have my Droid Maxx on Verizon (warranty replacement, can't root it). Waiting to see what crap they pull on the N6.
[Droid Ultra General] ratman6161:
Sounds like what you need to do is buy a developer edition.
[Droid Ultra General] wernercd:
My "full" discount on phone upgrade is next August (although I could steal one of the other upgrades on our plan, I'm currently on hold due to new-job uncertainties :). I hope to see some decent Developer or Dual-Boot (Windows 10) options that are at-least in the Note range.

Hopefully Windows 10 app store isn't still crap by then, otherwise that won't be a worry.
[Droid Ultra General] BladeRunner:
Unfortunately developer edition phones can only be purchased through the manufacturer and get no discount at all.
[Droid Ultra General] bwheelies:
Funny this thread popped up. I just ordered a Nexus 6. Can't say I will get another locked down phone.
[Droid Ultra General] kanagadeepan:
Well... After DroidMAXX, all the phones I buy / use will be having unlockable BL...
[Droid Ultra General] doogald:
I honestly don't care about rooting phones anymore, but Lollipop is out for over 6 months now and the Droid Turbo still has no update, much less the previous year's Maxx/Ultra/Mini. By this time last year those phones had KitKat for months and the 2012 Droids were starting a soak test for 4.4.2.

Verizon has done a poor job of supporting these phones in the last 12 months so the only way that I will stay with Motorola going forward is if they surprise us with a new Moto X this year with enough battery life to get through a day - because last year's model definitely won't for me.

The G6 has a battery that's too small and is made of glass (really? haven't we learned that this is a poor choice?), the M9 has a mediocre camera, I think that the Note 4 and LG G4 are too big for a non-stock Android build, and the Nexus 6 is ridiculously too big. I don't know what I'm going to do, though I know it won't be a Droid. While I think that KitKat isn't terrible on these phones, the delayed update worries me about the timely support of future devices. I think that Motorola can handle it, but I think that Verizon just doesn't care all that much whether the phones have an updated OS, and that worries me if I am going to commit to the phone.
[Droid Ultra General] bigv5150:
There are so many reasons why the maxx and turbo don't have 5.0 yet. First the maxx chip set was an issue and then 5.0.2 had a bad memory leak. So 5.1 became the update os. They had to start testing all over again. The turbo is different it should have been updated but wasn't because of volte. It is native in 5.1 so I think k moto just waited for 5.1 to start testing. I have no real proof of this its just my thinking. I do hope they are updated soon these phones have a shelf life and I'm getting a new phone this year. Waiting to see what moto comes up with next. I don't believe Verizon is holding it up they have updated several phones already. Just my .02

sent from "my kungfu is stronger then yours" XT1080
[Droid Ultra General] doogald:
They're simply not going to update the Maxx until the Turbo is done. All the rest of that is true, but it doesn't matter until the Turbo is done.

Two months now since 5.1 released. If they were almost there with 5.0.x and just had to fix the 5.1 build, it's probably long since time that it should have been done. If Motorola could get the Verizon X update done in three weeks, I have full belief they could have had the Turbo ready by now, if Verizon wanted them to. I think this is a Verizon issue, not necessarily a Motorola issue.

Verizon doesn't hold up Motorola, Samsung, HTC or LG for their branded phones when the software is ready, but David Schuster of Motorola right around this time last year on Google+ hinted very, very strongly that they had 4.4.2 ready for the Maxx but Verizon was holding them up on the update. Remember that, unlike the other phones, Droid is Verizon's brand, made by Motorola on contract, so Verizon decides on the upgrade schedule for the Droid brand (of course after Motorola successfully develops the update.)
[Droid Ultra General] bigv5150:
Well I will stick with moto not out of loyalty but out of likeability. So I saw the specs for the next moto x and it looks good bigger battery more ram and smaller here is the article http://www.mobylak.com/en/news/leak-motorola-moto-x-third-generation

sent from "my kungfu is stronger then yours" XT1080
[Droid Ultra General] doogald:
Yep, if those specs are right, and the camera turns out to be better, I'd go with a Moto X. That "clear pixel" for the camera worries me, though. That was supposedly the advantage of the original Moto X and 2013 Droids - the clear pixel camera. It turned out to be pretty bad.
[Droid Ultra General] someguyatx:
Ha my definition of staying with a device is 3-6 months. I had the original Moto X in 2013 then went to GS4, HTC One, Nokia Lumia Icon (briefly dabbled in Windows Phone), then came back to the Maxx because Active Notifications are really what I missed about the Moto X but I wanted capacitive buttons too. I love the battery life on this phone and will never consider something with a smaller battery again.
[Droid Ultra General] svzurich:
I wish the Moto Maxx had been sold in the US. It was the Droid Turbo without Verizon's shenanigans, but sold outside the US.

I am currently rocking the OnePlus One AND my Droid Maxx. T-Mobile for the OPO, Verizon for the Maxx. OPO is faster and stores more data, but Maxx is the fallback phone that gets the spam calls.

My next will be the Saygus V^2, primarily for the amazing storage on it.

I am hoping Motto makes a Moto X that pulls no punches, can do 64 bit, has at least 128gb storage as an option, and a super battery. I love their stuff, but Verizon's control freak nature turns me off. Make the Moto X super, and work on all carriers, dual sim, with unlocked bootloader. It'll be perfect then.
[Droid Ultra General] pfak:
Not me. Still no update to Lolipop and it's been months! Waiting for my LG G3 to show up in the mail.
[Droid Ultra General] Y_Yan_C:
Motorola C261, MotoRokr E6, Motosurf A3100, Miestone A853, Miestone 2 A953, Milestone 3 XT860, Razr Maxx XT910, Photon Q XT897, Droid Maxx XT1080M, Moto X(2nd Gen.) XT1097

they are all really really solid phones, minor creaking on my Maxx as well, but I dont find it a major issue. My girlfriend's bamboo x 2014 has minor peeling. Tweeted to Motorola (Canada) about it and they sent us a new X within a week! The new black plastic back x is solid as hell! Its not just the build and the near stock software that hits me. Its their business attitude that I admire. I know in the States if you don't like the X that you designed, you can send it back and make a new one! its these interactions that made me love Motorola
[Droid Ultra General] bwheelies:
That looks like a nice rig! I have moved on to the Nexus 6 a few months back and like it but I miss the Moto only apps that make hands free usage a cinch.
[Droid Ultra General] thenameisnigel:
The Moto Maxx is on Swappa.
[Droid Ultra General] krgarwick@gmail.com:
Droid Maxx

Droid Maxx xt1080m Obake - Love this phone! Spectacular battery, great sound clarity, pretty colors, and the size is Goldie-locks (just the right size). Got the bootloader unlocked way back when and have jumped back and forth between Motorola firmware, CMod, and PacMan. In the end, I always end up back in the stock ROM corner of the ring - outperforming any of the custom ROMS even if stock updates are.................really........................slow.............................................

You'll have to pry my Obake out of my cold dead fingers. Or simply wait until I find a better phone!
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario Software Upgrading] davidlucas:
Hi,

Setting up my SBS2003 for push mail on my Qtek 9100.

I have been following the Microsoft setup white papers.

(Step-by-Step Guide to Deploying Windows Mobile-based Devices with Microsoft Exchange Server 2003 )

Trouble is the certificates seem to be causing the problem.

I copy across the only one found in my server clientsapps/sbscert directory ,( its called SBSCert.) to my qtek and it wont run.

It says cannot access certificate.

I tried loading the spaddcert file then adding the certificate and it says not a valid certificate.

CAn someone help me on this?

thanks,

Dave.
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario Software Upgrading] timleedudehk:
Hi,

Check out http://www.msexchange.org for MS Exchange information.

They have lots of information of MS Exchange server stuff. This site is mainly for the XDA/MDA related stuff.

-Tim
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario Software Upgrading] Dr Puttingham:
I'm going to assume you've already created a certificate (easiest way is through the Connect to Internet Wizard)

On your SBS server run mmc from the Run line. Then go to File - Add/Remove Snapi-n. Click Add and add the Certificates snap-in.

Then open the Certificate snap-in. Drill down to Trusted Root Certification Authorities\Certificates and locate the certificate that you created. Right click , All Tasks, Export. Export to der encoded binary (the first one). Now copy that file to your device, execute and all should be well!

Hope that helps.
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario Software Upgrading] davidlucas:
thanks but i'm not sure now what I'm looking for.

Anybody who has it working can you provide me with some help.
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario Software Upgrading] andy_morgan:
You need to export the certificate you created and then install it on your device.

To export:

Open internet explorer and then click,

Tools - internet options - content - certificates - trusted root certificates

locate the one you created, highlight it and then click export.

Follow through the instructions, and export it to a location where you can find it.

After you've exported it copy the exported cert' to your device.

Finally on your device navigate to the certificate and click on it.
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario Software Upgrading] davidlucas:
Well it seems to be working at the moment.

Dr Puttingham has been a great help.

Just trying to sort it out so that I can turn SSL back on but other than that its working just fine.