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[Moverio BT-200 General] gue22:
Glasses standby by double-tapping the frame BRISKLY at right temple

July 21:

"One related issue where I already found help: The manual says you can switch off the display / pause media by a double-tap. Couldn´t get it to work.

It was somewhere stated that you have to BRISKLY double-tap (the glasses near your right temple).

Works like a charm now."
[Moverio BT-200 General] almostinsane:
No login needed:

https://tech.moverio.epson.biz/developer/SystemUpdate.apk

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Thanks, I'll try that.
[Moverio BT-200 General] Xenn0X:
i updated mine just fine tot latest version with internal updater. R version

anyone tried XBMC?

Just flew my dji phantom 2 vision plus and works like a charm.

edit: xbmc works perfectly. tested 480p and 720p works great.
[Moverio BT-200 General] SDTSG:
I asked Epson about reverting to R version if needed:

I do not recommend updating changing the developer version to the retail version. Only the developer firmware is compatible with Android SDK.

Regards,

Ray

that was all I got.... no directions on how to do it.
[Moverio BT-200 General] gue22:
Painless switch from R1..05 to D1.0.5

We couldn´t have guessed that R isn´t compatible with development, could we?

<arrrrggh>

I lack the words / can´t say here ("R"-rated) how much I´ve come to hate silly 1st level support "answers".

I didn´t expect any reasonable answers (factory reset doesn´t do a factory reset???), here or elsewhere, so I took the plunge and switched from R1.0.5 to D1.0.5.

It practically worked like advertised. Just very minor hickups:

- After SystemUpdate.apk it still displayed R, but a restart helped.

- The package download needed a second attempt, but worked seconds later and downloaded quickly.

Talk to you soon!

G.
[Moverio BT-200 General] milmake:
Maybe Developper version couldn't be receive "Digital copyright contents " with WiFi mirroring to avoid copyright violation. And it means mirroring adapter becomes useless, if you have owned BT-200AV.
[Moverio BT-200 General] tcboy88:
may I know your bt200 firmware version?

Is it R1.0.0 or D1.0.5?
[Moverio BT-200 General] Xenn0X:
anyone tried towelroot on the moverio?
[Moverio BT-200 General] milmake:
Just R1.0.5
[Moverio BT-200 General] gue22:
Mirroring and DRM

"Maybe", that´s exactly what I´m fearing.

OOH

They are quite specific in

BT200_RLND105A_EN.pdf - System Software for Developers D105 Release Note

They beat Google to the punch with a great product.

OTOH the whole thing is a mixed blessing:

There seems to be no way back from D to R. At least at this time and what I´ve been told. No word on that in the pretty concise descriptions.

The dev site has bugs and replies take ages. (In different browsers I´ve not been able to change my password there!)

The mirroring app seems to have major flaws, but who cares then when it´s even more castrated in the dev version when it didn´t work first place?! <g>

I´m thrilled to do my first dev steps on the weekend!

G.
[Moverio BT-200 General] Xenn0X:
Just rooted and works fine :)

i am leaving my glasses on R1.0.5.
[Moverio BT-200 General] milmake:
What do you want to send from Nexus7(source) to BT-200(sink)?

I checked some contents and found content with DRM couldn't be sent.

I think at first you should check your home screen can be sent or not.
[Moverio BT-200 General] gue22:
Example of content with DRM not mirrored in D version

Could you be specific what DRM content you couldn´t mirror?!

Thanks

G.
[Moverio BT-200 General] almostinsane:
What did you use to root? I tried Towelroot and the POS Baidu app and neither worked. I rather not run some Chinese spyware garbage to get root anyway.
[Moverio BT-200 General] Xenn0X:
i used the baidu and worked fine. afterwords i removed the root app.
[Moverio BT-200 General] tcboy88:
I have NOT send anything yet.

I am just in the Setting>wifi-direct page

Without using Moverio Sink, I use screen cast or samsung mirror cast to initiate the cast

I can go into the cast mode BUT it crashed immediately

If I am using Moverio Sink app, it will just keep connecting forever and failed.

NOT even go into the cast mode.

Currently I am on D1.0.5, with a rooted Nexus7 and Note3.

Is it possible to go back to R1.0.5?
[Moverio BT-200 General] milmake:
To tcboy88,

BT-200 can't be back from Developper version to Retail version.

Yesterday, Study meeting was held by users in Japan, and some engineers from EPSON joined and said that.
[Moverio BT-200 General] tcboy88:
OMG, the BT-200 is belongs to my lab, not belongs to me...
[Moverio BT-200 General] gue22:
Shouldn´t be too difficult to make a SystemUpdate.apk that reverts the changes, but mostly realization of such things depends on product management with constrained engineering resources and no interest to invest in a small group once the product is sold.

We can only hope that [MENTION=5436663]Moverio7[/MENTION] Eric is a PM of a different kind and reappears some time soon here with some answers / solutions...

BTW:

Ran into Windows Android SDK Manager permissions troubles in Android Studio 0.82 earlier. You need to run it as admin!

Initial examples were for Eclipse, so I switched to the Eclipse package.

The Android SDK Manager is the same for both and its package checkboxes are WEIRD IN A MAJOR WAY!

Got the EclipseADT, USB debugging and a first HelloWorld app working today, both on an Android Virtual Device and the physical Moverio!

One item missing: Couldn´t create an AVD from the Moverio device I defined. Keeps saying "No system images installed for this device" though I think I have. I simply modified a built in one then.

Cheers

G.
[Moverio BT-200 General] Xenn0X:
made a root guide with all needed apk and pictures.

https://www.laurensvanduijn.nl/wordpress/epsion-movario-bt-200-root-en-playstore-installatie/
[Moverio BT-200 General] Xenn0X:
install play store without root might be possible. install mimarket then from there install the google appstore http://www.thisfox.com/2014/05/install-xiaomi-market-mimarket-android-phone.html

edit.. not an option..
[Moverio BT-200 General] milmake:
I'm wondering why this thread title includes "official".
[Moverio BT-200 General] ant.innit:
Scrub that, if you randomly keep clicking the update button is get things rolling...
[Moverio BT-200 General] gue22:
Why "official thread"

After looking at thread starter [MENTION=319829]sev7en[/MENTION] 's profile I can only guess: Get more attention! <g> Or was he blessed somehow by Eric? ;)

BTW: If you didn´t do yet, check out official PM [MENTION=5436663]Moverio7[/MENTION] https://twitter.com/WTEric Mizufuka's Twitter account!
[Moverio BT-200 General] Moverio7:
Epson PM here to clarify on the OS versions

Hi All -

I apologize for chiming in late. Let me outline my understanding of the OS situation and please let me know if you have any questions:

R (consumer/miracast OS)

Pros:

- allows you to use the BT-200 as a "sink" for HDCP, Miracast devices - this includes our "AV wireless video input adapter" and many miracast enabled adapters

Cons:

- Will not allow developers to connect to the device via ADB (android debug bridge)

- The SEViewer app will not allow you to install apps on the sdcard

D (developer OS)

Pros:

- allows developers to connect to the device via ADB and sideload apps via the SEViewer app

Cons:

- does not allow the BT-200 to act as a "sink" for Miracast enabled devices

- once on the Developer OS, cannot be reverted to the Consumer (R) OS. I've been told that we need to pre-install a unique HDCP "key" on both the glasses & handset that needs to be managed by Epson (at the factory). These "keys" can't be managed securely via a remote device refresh.

Some additional notes:

1) In the US, all devices shipped with the D, or developer OS since the majority of our audience required ADB access

2) In Japan and Europe, devices were shipped with the Consumer OS

3) I'm doing some testing on the "miracast AV adapter" this week, so should be able to offer more feedback on that item.

feel free to reach out to me on twitter with any specific requests...

hope this helps-
[MENTION=383455]WTE[/MENTION]ric
[Moverio BT-200 General] proset:
GPS

I found that GPS connection on my Moverio (Consumer version updated to 1.0.5)take a lot of time to get the satellites even in an open space.

And many times it is impossible to get the position, somebody else has the same problem? is it possible to fix it on developer version?
[Moverio BT-200 General] gue22:
Mirror / Miracast and HDCP on developer version

Thanks Eric, for the input!

Sorry for being a bit naive regarding HDCP. I should have known to what length those organizations behind copy protection go.

Could you shed some light on the Mirror app?! It doesn´t seem to work in any case / as a source (as opposed to a sink), even before I changed to D.

Then there was the question why there is no Google certification or what it would have cost or the effort would be.

I´d rather have a device where I do not need to jump through all sorts of hoops to install certain (Google) apps or not be able to at all, because I don´t want to visit those dubious sites.

Thanks

G.
[Moverio BT-200 General] sev7en:
milmake - gue22, why official thread? Because when I got the glass I was the first and that new model has never been covered on XDA.

What's your problem instead? Can you explain us? Relax dude, relax.
[Moverio BT-200 General] gue22:
Do we sound un-relaxed? I´m glad there is a thread and the really official head-PM [MENTION=5436663]Moverio7[/MENTION] turns up here now and then.

The "official" label is still wrong, but I don´t actually care.

Cheers

G.
[Moverio BT-200 General] sev7en:
To be clear, it's a community and we are here to share our common passion. Of course for me it is more important the content than the topic for that I don't have problem to contact a moderator asking him to simply remove that tag.

I do that now and cheers to you too, of course. ;)
[Moverio BT-200 General] ant.innit:
its a bit odd Moverio has no developer forums, /shrug

anyone no how to get the background transparent, black is always present.

gps location is also a bit of a joke in this build, i've tried all sorts with no results.

nice thing, but platform needs work.
[Moverio BT-200 General] gue22:
Come on, leave the way it is. Not worth the effort! Don´t be a mimosa!

Regards

G.

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I downloaded an OpenStreetMap app. Can´t get reception inside. I know I had reception behind windows with other devices.

If you read the D version docs: PGPS (for a quicker location) is disabled. Guess they fear you could program something nasty.

Regards

G.
[Moverio BT-200 General] ant.innit:
Yep I read the docs, the GPS is very poor regardless, if Epson want to get anywhere they need to fix that.

For now I'll network the device to a GPS that's quicker, not sure why Epson feel the need to police a platform thats already policed.

I expect its just cheap internals, all good.
[Moverio BT-200 General] milmake:
You don't use "GPS Status", do you?

It can works as A-GPS and would make moverio get the position faster.
[Moverio BT-200 General] jawadtech:
Hi all I had a problem with my first moverio bt-200 that I resived the GPS was not able to find my location at all and I had problem with the update

It keep saying that it couldn't connect to server ,but thanks to the Epson customer service They did provide me With a replacements And updated One with consumer os I was able to Root successfully with braiduroot without any problem I got the Google play store installed everything works fine ,I use the moverio for watching movies sometimes, and I do use them with my Ar drone 1.0 since I have the root I'm using the PlayStation 3 controller To control the drone and I do use it to play games so far I'm having a great experience .

There is something that I don't understand why Epson selling a so called moverio bt-200av in Japan only , dose any one know when Epson will release themiracast AV adapter here in the USA? I would love to get one
[Moverio BT-200 General] cybericebyte:
I got mine today also and I can't update to the latest Developers version. Any way we can get a manual update? Other than that everything is working great. I would like to see some more Bluetooth support. So far no audio over bluetooth and unable to network over BT either. Installed several apps watched some movies and played some VR games. For the most part very happy and impressed. Excited to see just how far I can push these things.
[Moverio BT-200 General] jawadtech:
there is a Manual update but it a developer OS,you should get audio over the Bluetooth try to factory reset ur moverio and try again to update from the automatic updates If that don't work I suggest you call Epson to get a replacement Just to let know if u call they will ask for your credit card They may not tell u that there is $650 deposit that they take of your bank and put it on hold until they receive The broken one u gonna send them if you don't have that kind of money just ask for shipping label to ship them yours firs I guess we have to trust them but they can't lol .by the away audio over Bluetooth should work most likely u got a defected board control But no worries they will help it may take more then a week to get Replacment because they don't have that many in stock , good luck
[Moverio BT-200 General] cybericebyte:
Thanks just my luck! By factory reset will I have to start over with root and apps? As far as Developers version not worried about that mine came with the developer OS installed so I can't change it anyway

.

Updat: factory reset failed error code 3

Upate: notice the issue. It's trying to update from d1.01 to r1.05 instead of D1.05
[Moverio BT-200 General] milmake:
I think it is impossible to update bt200 from D to R.
[Moverio BT-200 General] cybericebyte:
That's what I said
[Moverio BT-200 General] milmake:
Isn't it announced explicitly in USA? It is written in developer's technical document in Japanese.
[Moverio BT-200 General] gue22:
GPS - Only the very first triangulation takes much time!

I tried things thoroughly now and I think we were just too impatient.

As far as I can tell there is no anomaly to / deficiency in the Moverio GPS.

Guess we fell for one principal problem that I remember from some 13 or 14 years ago when I had a Toshiba PDA with a pluggable GPS for roughly a 1000 bucks plus 700 for flight navigation software.

This was the time when there were still printed manuals with real content and people even read them.

It said:

The very first triangulation takes time and when you take the gadget to a different place when it is switched off it will take its time again!

Somehow the GPS seems to store / remember data and the next time it´s much quicker to fixation.

This is supported by what I saw:

As I said: I installed the OpenStreetMap OsmAnd app. It nicely shows the number of sattelites it sees and uses.

The first time it took the one or other minute to fixation, but then -- even after I shut down the glasses -- new fixation was quite quick in the range of tens of seconds and it worked inside!

Felt exciting on the bike! <g>

Cheers

G.
[Moverio BT-200 General] cybericebyte:
Okay missed the obvious. The QC code for system update. Let's see what happens once I get a charge.
[Moverio BT-200 General] ahdai:
I own a BT-100, and i know it is capable of composite video input. Been wanting to utilize the composite input for my existing FPV setup.(5.8ghz radio, not wifi). Am not interested in short range video transmission.

Will soon have a BT-200 to play with. It will be used primarily for watching videos. But it looks like it doesn't support video input anymore? Can someone confirm if there is any weird port on the controller unit?
[Moverio BT-200 General] Xenn0X:
For the dji phantom vision users, dji is currently testing and will upload a new version of dji vision to the moverio store.

I am in contact with dji to get a number of bugs fixed including the mis alligned screen :)

No option to input video with hdmi on the BT-200. the weird looking port is the connector for the cable to the glasses.

might be an option to get the feed on the glasses by using miracast on a device that supports 5.8ghz video and miracast?
[Moverio BT-200 General] Moverio7:
Answers to G....

The mirror app w/consumer OS should work decently well in "sink" mode. I've been able to get it to mirror most samsung devices, kindle fire hdx, etc. It doesn't handle authentication keys at this point (ie. Surface Pro mirroring).

As far as Miracast "source" mode, I find it works well with the Netgear PTV-3000 if you have updated firmware (on the PTV3000). This seems to work on both Consumer and Dev OS. I'll test some Sony & Samsung TVs and post the results as well.

As for Google Play/Certification for Google Apps - they only certify phones & tablets at this point. You'll notice that even Glass doesn't have official access to Google Play. For easy access to content, I'd recommend the Amazon app store. Also, I believe prelaunch has published their own guide to "sideloading" apps onto the device. I'll post a link to that once they are done....
[Moverio BT-200 General] cybericebyte:
Ok did the update and all seemed fine but still no bluetooth audio only mic. Rebooted lost root my Web browser and the ability to install any apps what so ever neither side load no any app store works. So I called support to report the issues mainly about the blutooth hardware and was given a reference number and told that someone would get back to me in a couple of days. Not happy. No attempts were made to narrow the issue only the information I stated was taken down.:banghead:
[Moverio BT-200 General] gue22:
Mirror / Miracast; Google certification; AVD from user-defined device

Mirror in Sink mode:

Would have been a great use case to stream the TV program from the Samsung UE55HU7580's second tuner using Smart View 2, but I couldn´t find Smart View 2 anywhere else but on Play.

Now that Smart View 2 is finally out it´s quite nice with the iPad.

That seems to be gone with the dev version anyway.

Mirror in Source mode:

As said: I can get a direct-mode WiFi connection on both, the UE55HU7580 and the UE40ES6710, but nothing shows. The brand new 7580 keeps spinning the wheel with a blank screen when I go into mirror mode. (But maybe it´s the 4k TV´s fault...)

Google Play and certification:

WHAT? Glass doesn´t have official access to Play?

Well, I´m used to pay the price for pioneering. <sigh> But then: It´s a thrilling times. <g>

One programming question:

I´ve been trying in vain to create an AVD from my user-defined Moverio device: CPU / ABI keeps saying "no system image installed for this target" (latest EclipseADT AVD Manager)

I know I got the image installed and I moved the 4.03 system image one level up from the "default" directory as suggested in an old stackoverflow thread, but, alas...

Can create AVDs from generic device definitions, even Wear ones. <g>

No answer nowhere so far.

Thanks for keeping showing here!

G.
[Moverio BT-200 General] Xenn0X:
Thanks eric for the new info :)

the epson store could benefit from some more apps:)

https://moverio.epson.biz/jsp/pc/pc_application_list.jsp
[Moverio BT-200 General] ben1000:
Error 1 when rebooting after upgrade..

Howdy...

My apologies if this has been discussed...

I have the D1.0.1 version. Followed all the direction and was able to get it to offer me the D1.0.5 upgrade...

It downloaded, and asked me to install, so I clicked on ok. The BT-200 then proceeded to reboot to begin the upgrade process...

This is where I ran into trouble. During the reboot, I get the message "Error! (1)" on the screen. The device hangs at this point, and I have to do a hard-reboot by holding the powerswitch until it shuts down... When I reboot again, I'm still on D1.0.1.

I've tried this 3 times... Then rooted the phone to get the play store. Then tried 3 more times... Same Error..

Can anyone shed some light on what this might be and how I can get past it?

Thanks!

Best,

Ben
[Moverio BT-200 General] cybericebyte:
Charge the device to at least 90% then try. I had the same issue at 50%once I charged if to 90 it worked but then I lost my root browser and ability to install apps
[Moverio BT-200 General] milmake:
While updating, if battery gets 50% below, BT-200 updating stops with error.
[Moverio BT-200 General] tcboy88:
Why is that so?

What kind of copyright protection is involved?

As a average user, I really wonder what is wrong if I want to mirror my phone on BT-200.

Please kindly enlight me.
[Moverio BT-200 General] foosy:
Device to brick

In less than 2 days my device went from a faulty one to a brick.

In the first day I had it I was able to observe the following:

1. Sometimes the cursor disappears and there is no way to get it back. This is REALLY ANNOYING!

The cursor is not visible at all, in any screen. You cannot even shut the device down because it wants a confirmation that requires the cursor. The only way I found to get the cursor back is to remove the glasses connector from the base, and then it turns off and you can restart it.

2. WiFi connection is slower than other mobile devices. I tested this with the dji vision app: If preview settings are too high, image freezes or is black - no motion. Only usable preview resolution is 320x240x15fps. This is a shame as those glasses could be much more useful with a higher resolution image.

3. scrolling with the glasses is a pain in the butt. As opposed to a phone where sliding your finger causes the screen to slide, here you have to drag the cursor - ughh, what a terrible design! Drags get confused with clicks and using the sides to scroll does not work reliably either. Epson, if you are listening, all you need is a button or a gesture to switch between cursor mode and slide mode. For example: double click shows a cursor and another double click causes it to disappear and then sliding will be moving the screen.

4. In the review of the glasses people mention that you can tap on the side to hide the display. I could not find where to tap and could not make it do this. Further did not see this described in the documentation. Does it exist?

5. Today, only on my second day, the device turned into a brick.... The battery depleted, the light went red, but before I was able to get my charger - the light went off, and even with the charger, never came on again. I tried different chargers, different cables, alas - the device does not want to charge or to turn on - what a disapointment :(:(:(
[Moverio BT-200 General] timclemans:
I've ran into this myself a few times. I usually end having to keep it plugged in for many hours before any lights turn on.
[Moverio BT-200 General] cybericebyte:
Tap setting is under language and keyboard settings silly place I think. Love the device plugged in to the original charger for 15 to 30 minutes you should see activity. What notice is if you are using it while on charge the Amoy of power to keep the device running is a lot higher than the charge going in so it will drain while on the charger if it's on. One it has fully drained it will take some time to build enough charge for you to see it. Be very patient. Btw this is also the same case with a full drained battery on my galaxy gear watch.
[Moverio BT-200 General] ben1000:
...and if it makes you feel better... I've also had the 'cursor disappearing' issue... Had to do a hard reboot to get it back...

Best,

Ben
[Moverio BT-200 General] milmake:
Why don't many of you use screen capture?

"Tap to mute" is here.

To capture screen is "power + down" simultaneously.
[Moverio BT-200 General] milmake:
Maybe it caused from over-heated. I checked over around 45 degree Celsius it can't charge. BT-200 easily gets over-heated.