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[Ornate TrueSmart] simple1i:
Between the EC309 & Omate + other x201 models which yields better battery life in real life use?

Is there an alternative to the Omate?
[Ornate TrueSmart] lemacxorciste:
..

Body of Z8 is made of plastic, (polycarbonate.. from the seller himself when i asked with question like : plastic/ polycarbonate or steel alloy/ aluminium for Body?

probably why device is only 73 g weight.
[Ornate TrueSmart] simple1i:
...It's just not worth the hassle. Maybe if it was $100.
[Ornate TrueSmart] pizzaman79:
Check out the wikipedia page of the truesmart. It's got a list of unkept promises. The list is waaay longer than i'd like and I hope it doesn't keep people from buying what is essentially still a nice device.
[Ornate TrueSmart] dev_null:
So can omate custom roms boot on it?
[Ornate TrueSmart] simple1i:
no help on this

I asked this on the 7th of May, I didn't get an answer I thought it was cuz of bias towards the Omate ...the Z8 could take people away from the omate, but now I realised it cuz the Omate support/development has ended due to the mess and lies from Le Pen and Co.

If Omate are working on the next model who's gonna trust em? Maybe people dont know their shady past.

In theory if the Z8 is an exact copy a custom Rom will work.
[Ornate TrueSmart] fg:
Order a few for the forum and we'll let you know!
[Ornate TrueSmart] arovaris:
someone bought this watch?
[Ornate TrueSmart] E:V:A:
This is highly entertaining tragi-comic reading that has panned out just as predicted more than half a year ago. After seeing how the Omate Team have repeatedly been aiming and shooting at their own feet, it's just their own making.

When I first read about this device, I was very excited and wanted to get one asap. However, (fortunately) I was just a little too late to get on the initial batches and started following and searching the Omate forums etc, to discover all the various issues. I soon realized that this potentially amazing "clock" would eventually end up in my box full of discarded and partially dysfunctional HW, since there was no sign from Omate to take their window of opportunity seriously, and quickly resolve their issues. Thus I just stayed around to watch...

There are plenty of HW/SW experts who'd have been willing to contribute for free (including myself) to an awesome product, but in hindsight, Omate's primary purpose was clearly to become rich quickly, and not to create or build.

The most important success indicators are:

1) How you handle customer issues

2) How you keep your product's marketing promises

3) How fast you can deliver the product

4) How you get and keep an expert team

It seem like a text-book case on product delivery failure on all accounts.

By now, Omate would have made more money licensing and selling pre-fab pcb's in kits with full open documentation. If they'd even been able to deliver that. (Even the software to reverse PCB's are open source!)

BTW. It would take at most a couple of days to reverse a 6 layer PCB with this few and well known components, at this small scale. A few TS's to spare and you're done in a week. I'm even surprised it took them this long to deliver a copy, or maybe even the copy-cats got fooled by the Omate delivery lies?

So Omate, what did you expect after 6 months?
[Ornate TrueSmart] simple1i:
Business Objectives

Someone with Technical AND Business sense. You sound like you're from an ITIL background ;)

I'm curious though, aren't most business about 'quick rich' or in the case of government outsourced projects, lies to meet the project deadlines?

It is amazing that a group of developers working for free can produce better products than the big corporates ...and the Omate types. It's their mindset.

Are their any 'Testing Standards' or guidelines for mobile and smart-watch battery life?
[Ornate TrueSmart] simple1i:
inWatch Z- another ShenZhen watch on IndieGogo

Indiegogo - another Smartwatch - inWatch Z (similar to Omate)

This seems to be the way:

- source a unit/watch from ShenZhen

- add Android

- cause havoc

Wonder what unit they are using, similar to this one? Anyone?
[Ornate TrueSmart] tomvdc:
just received my Z8 smarthwatch

today I received my Z8 smartwatch

out of the box it was fully charged and playstore was preinstalled.

the charging cradle has a opening for the buttons and camera.
[Ornate TrueSmart] arovaris:
Good! Its really like aw-414/ iconbit callisto? Is watch case in plastic?
[Ornate TrueSmart] lirona:
Hi,

Do you have FM radio on it and what you get with the watch?

Thanks and good luck with it,

Arie.
[Ornate TrueSmart] tomvdc:
Inside the box was the watch, charging cradle, micro USB cable, USB wall adapter and manual.

Oh and look what i found in the manual.
[Ornate TrueSmart] tomvdc:
I also got the bt rom installed on my Z8.
[Ornate TrueSmart] Smockingjacket:
How is the screen sensitivity? Also, please update us on the battery quality when you have seen its potential.
[Ornate TrueSmart] simple1i:
Assuming you have or know about the Omate (512MB RAM model) can you see any differences?

Have you tried a SIM and the call quality?
[Ornate TrueSmart] tomvdc:
the screens sensitivity is very good.

i will wait till the end of the week to know the battery potential

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i dont have one yet but I ordered the 1/8 2100 model.

i have tried a t-mobile simcard and it works good but i havent made any calls with it yet.
[Ornate TrueSmart] simple1i:
Oh did you have to apply the security patch?

Are you going to install a custom ROM?
[Ornate TrueSmart] tomvdc:
yes i did have too to get root and recovery installed.

I already installed the bluetooth rom by dees troy
[Ornate TrueSmart] CPGOD:
were you able to specify 2100MHz?
[Ornate TrueSmart] tomvdc:
yes, because my simcard works and I live in europe.
[Ornate TrueSmart] Lokifish Marz:
Could you do me a favor, install and run the apps in the attached zip and report back. It is a series of security check apps that scan for unpatched exploits. The app list is as follows;

Belarc

Bluebox

Duo Security xray

Eeye

Secunia

SRT App Integrity

Also if you could, please visit this page and run the test;

http://www.eset.com/tools/ussdtest/
[Ornate TrueSmart] tomvdc:
Belarc = 4 vulnerabilities, 3 high and 1 moderate.

Bluebox = vulnerable to bug 10148349

Duo security xray = not vulnerable

Eeye = medium risk, Android Device Non-android Mark sources (possible Ostore?)

Secunia = system score 100%

SRT App Integrity = security vulnerabilities: Bug 9950697 is not fixed.

I also did the ussdtest but my imei wasn't displayed so it wasn't vulnerable.
[Ornate TrueSmart] tomvdc:
installed the EUR 512-4 2100 working sensors rom:)
[Ornate TrueSmart] Lokifish Marz:
Do you remember what the Belarc vulnerabilities were?

EDIT;

Without looking at the original firmware it looks like the clone might be slightly more secure than the real thing.
[Ornate TrueSmart] tomvdc:
it says the vulnerabilities are in the android os

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i also installed the security patch when i received the watch.
[Ornate TrueSmart] tomvdc:
Looks like fpse runs without any lag

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[Ornate TrueSmart] simple1i:
The 512MB RAM isn't giving you any issues.

Have you tested most function now? Except for the battery perhaps.

You seem happy with the z8.
[Ornate TrueSmart] arovaris:
Plastic case? Painted?
[Ornate TrueSmart] tomvdc:
Painted aluminium

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[Ornate TrueSmart] arovaris:
Aluminum?? Really? Your is gun color orblack color?
[Ornate TrueSmart] tomvdc:
black color, while I actually ordered the red color.
[Ornate TrueSmart] tomvdc:
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[Ornate TrueSmart] arovaris:
Really, this watch has the same hardware from my iconbit callisto. I think that is same manufacturer. Omate too. Omate, is the name in USA and Canada. If you search in Aliexpress, will see many omate sellers. China is turning the best off tecnology in world.

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My callisto case is metal, no aluminum. I asked from this seller and told me that case is plastic?!! The weight is 93g, z8 is 73g.
[Ornate TrueSmart] tomvdc:
Its not plastic.
[Ornate TrueSmart] boredandre:
I ordered this watch a couple of days ago. Can't wait to see how it performs. How is the battery performing?
[Ornate TrueSmart] tomvdc:
Great, I got it too 2 days without charging.

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[Ornate TrueSmart] Smockingjacket:
Does this watch have Japanese support?
[Ornate TrueSmart] tomvdc:
Yes
[Ornate TrueSmart] death_entry:
what about this one, apparently only 9mm thick!

http://www.aliexpress.com/item/inWa...72-Dual-Core-1GB-8GB-1-6-inch/1885986036.html

OOo actually you can get em on indiegogo for $199!

https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/...martwatch-use-it-like-a-smart-phone/x/4042531

Bone conduction technology :S EH?! sounds cool.. lol
[Ornate TrueSmart] tomvdc:
Nice but the indiegogie only has funded $4000 and 19 days left

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[Ornate TrueSmart] simple1i:
[MENTION=368203]death_entry[/MENTION] - there's a thread about the inWatchZ

a few developers are able to back it and get a unit now to help test it and feedback to inWatch dev team.

The indiegogo one is aiming to be better then the ones from Aliexpress, its coated with hydrophobic to make it water repellent. The software is supposed to be optimised to give it 7 days stand by time.

...that's the plan anyway. Hope they make it.
[Ornate TrueSmart] Lokifish Marz:
Quick questions to those that got the Z8.

Call quality on both ends?

Battery life?

Build quality?

Firmware quility?
[Ornate TrueSmart] death_entry:
TBH without AMOLED that can then do an always on screen clock with a mainly black background, then I think any smartwatch isn't really that useful :p
[Ornate TrueSmart] simple1i:
As a watch you need the time at a glance.

Depends how much the 'always on time' consumes the battery, if its very little then its a must have function because essentially its a watch. If it consumes a significant amount of battery then maybe some users rather have a watch that tells the time 'somehow' and save the battery life. Its matter of personal preference, while we wait for smartwatch (and mobile) battery's to improve.

But I do take your point, to see the time if one has to:

1. move your sleeve (if you're wearing long a sleeve)

2. And press a button too

You might as well take your phone out.
[Ornate TrueSmart] death_entry:
Yup the amount of times I've had to embarrassingly ask the person on other end of the phone the time as my fancy watch can't be operated with the other hand... Where as OLED would sip power if it was mainly black screens...

Anyone figured how to turn down crazy brightness on TS lol?
[Ornate TrueSmart] Lokifish Marz:
Depending on what version and run you have (512/4, 1/8 1900, early 1/8 2100> THIS

Combined with Auto Brightness > THIS

Not perfect it keeps the TS from burning out your retinas in a dark room and it helps save battery. BTW, most of the stuff in the "[INFO] Everything Umeox" is still valid, even though I have left the dev world.
[Ornate TrueSmart] death_entry:
Ahhh, I might give that a go, might help my poor little battery some what,

Btw what was the model / details of the OEM TS compatible battery you mentioned on the forums previously?
[Ornate TrueSmart] arovaris:
buyed.....
[Ornate TrueSmart] simple1i:
[MENTION=327190]arovaris[/MENTION] - what watch did you buy ...the Z8 clone?
[Ornate TrueSmart] arovaris:
Yes.
[Ornate TrueSmart] arovaris:
I already has a iconbit callisto, its the same for z8, but ii metal case! I think so heavy, 95g. Z8 73g. And case ink out easily. So, i buyed a z8 and will sell my callisto. And i paid 199 for callisto, z8 cost 143.
[Ornate TrueSmart] simple1i:
Hopefully if u sell it for $149 it won't be a loss.

I can't remember, is the battery on the Z8 removal? It's 500mAh right?
[Ornate TrueSmart] tomvdc:
Yes

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[Ornate TrueSmart] arovaris:
Im looking many others omate "clones" in aliexpress. This is like simvalley aw421. Only 189 with DHL! Look description, waterproof. http://www.aliexpress.com/item/3G-s...-slot-micro-sd-card-slot-WIFI/1908157122.html

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Woww...i didnt see this...only 500mah. :(

Case paiting is resistant? Dont peeling in a shock?
[Ornate TrueSmart] simple1i:
It's got 600mAh battery

IP67? - I would email them to confirm first

Most important it gives a 1GB/8GB option - is that even if you order 1 watch?

Does the cradle come with a hole so that the buttons can be used... Like the Z8 that user Tomvdc has got?

I have emailed them all the questions. Let see what they say. If they don't understand I might need someone that speaks their language.

Their reply:

Anna Gong: 1. Can I order 1 piece in with the 1GB RAM 8GB ROM model?

it support external memory mciro sd card upto 32GB

2. Does you have a black colour?

now only silvery and golden color

3. Can you confirm it's IP67?

yes, it is basic waterproof , it can not diving or swiming,

4. Does the charging cradle have a hole so that the buttons can used when the watch is charging?

the charing is clip, do not suggest use it when charging

5. What is the battery mAh ?
[Ornate TrueSmart] simple1i:
I've noticed that if you add the $150 Z8 Omate clone to your basket in AliExpress and leave it there for a few days, sometimes they drop the price to $142.49. :laugh:

Also be careful user tomvdc ordered the red one and he got the black one. I would not want a red one ... at my age :o
[Ornate TrueSmart] arovaris:
Its really black? For me, silver...its the same from this image?
[Ornate TrueSmart] arovaris:
other "clone", cheaper http://m.aliexpress.com/item/1913555861.html
[Ornate TrueSmart] simple1i:
The price is without shipping. With shipping it's $148
[Ornate TrueSmart] tomvdc:
in euros there is only a 2 euro differrence
[Ornate TrueSmart] simple1i:
Tomvdc - with Bluetooth on how many days use are you getting?
[Ornate TrueSmart] Skander1998:
This turned out so messy I'm actually getting a gear 2.

I almost paid in the kickstarter but decided to wait and see how the market evolves.

Omate's reputation is ruined for good, clones are actually arguably better than the "original" mess.
[Ornate TrueSmart] tomvdc:
2 days:)
[Ornate TrueSmart] simple1i:
Battery life

With current battery technology with medium to heavy use all watches are limited to 2-3 days or less.

As well as better battery management software a break through in battery technology is needed.

Until then http://www.technologyreview.com/ne...oft-aims-for-smartphones-that-run-for-a-week/Microsoft are working on a few ideas, interesting reading...
[Ornate TrueSmart] lirona:
Hi,

I get my Z8 and I put my SIM CARD and I can't do call or receive call (I am from ISRAEL) this SIM CARD work fine in my Omate TrueSmart.

Please if some one can help me!!!

Thanks,

Arie.
[Ornate TrueSmart] tomvdc:
Check the imei

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[Ornate TrueSmart] lirona:
Hi,

When I try to install the ROM I get a ERROR: update the partition.

What I need to do?

Please help.

Thanks,

Arie.

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Hi,

What I need to check?

Please help!!!

Thanks,

Arie.
[Ornate TrueSmart] Edyvargas:
Hi, where did you buy this Z8?

Hi, where can i buy this Z8, and do you know if there is a version for 850Mhz?, thanks.

also, this smartwatch has vibrating motor for incoming calls?,

Has speaker for talk directly to the watch?

it has magnetic sensor and compass?

Thank you!
[Ornate TrueSmart] simple1i:
You can buy if from here, please view the spec's.

I do not have one, I think only 1 or 2 people have purchased one so far. if you do buy one let us know about your experiences :good:
[Ornate TrueSmart] PichaLatigo:
Does it use Sim or Microsim card?

Omate is using microsim but aliexpress says "single Sim card"

thanks
[Ornate TrueSmart] tomvdc:
Microsim, because the z8 uses the same hardware as the omate

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[Ornate TrueSmart] PichaLatigo:
Ok thX.

I ordered a Z8 last week because I'm not expecting to receive my october preorder TS before the end of july
[Ornate TrueSmart] tomvdc:
Same here

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[Ornate TrueSmart] Edyvargas:
Great, thank you simple1i, im not sure about the frequency for my country yet (2G 3G 850 Mhz, i think).
[Ornate TrueSmart] arovaris:
3g is 2100 only.
[Ornate TrueSmart] Edyvargas:
MTK 6572 or MTK 6577

Thank you, do you know if its 850Mhz for regular GSM?

Also a question: The chip of the Z8 is MTK 6572 Dual core 1.3Ghz, but the Zgpax and EC309 are MTK 6577 Dual core, this are almost the same, but what its better? (answered)

i found the answer here: http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=2455489

Also i ask to a store if this watch has magnetic sensor (or compass), still waiting for the answer, but perhaps some of the owners knows about it or has already use it with navigator? thanks
[Ornate TrueSmart] arovaris:
Mtk6572 is much better than 6577 for battery saving. I already had a zgpax. Z8 is much better. Better water protection, battery and camera position. Dont buy zgpax, very bad build quality too, buy z8. Has compass sensor. Yes, works at 850mhz in 2g.

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You has this option too: http://www.aliexpress.com/item/Newe...Dual-core-512M-4G-1-54-screem/1913555861.html

Its released. Hardware is the same for z8, but different design.
[Ornate TrueSmart] Edyvargas:
Great to know, thank you arovaris :good:, the new model looks interesting too...

(update) Found a seller that told me he has a 3G 850 mhz version too (for the Z8), dont really know if can be ¿?...cant post the link but its Aliexpress store/602229
[Ornate TrueSmart] Lokifish Marz:
Patience my fellow smartwatch lovers. I'll know more in a few hours.
[Ornate TrueSmart] Lokifish Marz:
Sorry it took so long but my initial impressions and submersion tests are done. An x201 dies in the process.

Even with it lacking 3G and SD expandability, I find it to be a far better and more finished device the TrueSmart or it's clones. It's not perfect but for $50 more it is a noticeable step up.

[YOUTUBE]bTa6W0jbT0A[/YOUTUBE]
[Ornate TrueSmart] death_entry:
Wow, that's pretty definitive, zero water resistance.... not even a little bit...

Do these spray counter water damage things work? Money back guarantee might as well try it on your TS...

http://irevivespray.com/
[Ornate TrueSmart] PichaLatigo:
Are you talking about Z8 or about Inwatch Z?

Thanks for the video review. When I started watching bubbles I did see tragedy approaching....
[Ornate TrueSmart] boredandre:
I received the z8 today. Looks and feels good but the screen is way to responsive. But I can live with that. A bigger problem is what the "invalid imei" message. Anyone got any ideas on how to fix this issue? :)
[Ornate TrueSmart] Lokifish Marz:
Was talking about the inwatch. No echo during calls, is better built, more secure, camera is much better. Only down sides are still not a true IPx7 device and no 3G or SD. The best comparison is think Galaxy Gear but with 2G, 5MP cam and wifi in a metal case.
[Ornate TrueSmart] tomvdc:
I used this website to get the imei of my z8

http://www.plusdroid.com/Blogandnews/how-to-change-restore-imei-no-on-android-phones-and-tablets/

I use the mtk droid tool to restore it

and dont forget to make a backup in case you lose the imei again
[Ornate TrueSmart] Edyvargas:
Hi, a question please for those who have the Z8, the available colors are black silver and red, but the silver is dark silver or light silver?, and the black its totally black or its a little grey?, thanks
[Ornate TrueSmart] Smockingjacket:
Wow, Omate have really flipped out over this vid on google plus and kickstarter. It is certainly not the reaction a respectable company would act like. It is like watching a car crash happening in slow motion.
[Ornate TrueSmart] boredandre:
Thank you tomvdc

I tried but I get a message saying "AT command is failed to send"
[Ornate TrueSmart] lirona:
Hi,

Can I get answer on this:

Originally Posted by tomvdc View Post

I also got the bt rom installed on my Z8.

Hi,

When I try to install the ROM I get a ERROR: update the partition.

What I need to do?

Please help.

Thanks,

Arie.
[Ornate TrueSmart] tomvdc:
I dont know, because when I installed the rom, it installed succesfully on the first try.

just follow the instructions carefully.
[Ornate TrueSmart] lirona:
Hello my friend tomvdc,

Do you have the same problem as I have, after a full charge of the battery, I see the on the watch 100% for 2 days which then drops to 90% to 80% and then the watch turns off!!!

What should I do to solve this would be normal?

Thanks and have a good day,

Arie.
[Ornate TrueSmart] tomvdc:
I dont know

My battery works fine

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[Ornate TrueSmart] PichaLatigo:
Just received the Z8 smartwatch in red color. I've got same error in notification bar: INVALID IMEI

I guess I have to open back cover with the screwdriver to get imei number cause *#06# code also says invalid.

Once I got it if I follow your link when says

Now enter the command

AT+EGMR=1,7,THE-FIRST-IMEI-NUMBER

after -FIRST- Have I to put my imei number?

Sorry for the dumb question but I'm not used to rooting.

Thanks in advance
[Ornate TrueSmart] tomvdc:
The imei is needed to use the simcard and you put the imei on the z8 using the mtkdroidtool

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[Ornate TrueSmart] PichaLatigo:
Where is supposed to be IMEI number?

I see some numbers on the battery but they are about the battery capacity. Should I remove red plastic spacer?

[IMG="Z8 back"]http://fotos.subefotos.com/003a6077f9ab0103596b4dad7f1f39b0o.jpg[/IMG]

Orange connector doesn't let me to remove completely the plastic spacer but just opening a gap in one side I don't see any number below the spacer.

How did you get the Imei?

Thanks in advance
[Ornate TrueSmart] lirona:
Hello friend,

I got it from AliExpress supplier kenny chen by EMAIL.

Arie.
[Ornate TrueSmart] tomvdc:
you can also use a imei generator and use that as the imei
[Ornate TrueSmart] death_entry:
And highly illegal in alot of countries, the network operator might block and report you...
[Ornate TrueSmart] tomvdc:
Oh i didnt know

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[Ornate TrueSmart] Edyvargas:
...Hi tomvdc, how its going with the GPS of the Z8, everything is good and fast set of satellite?, thank you.
[Ornate TrueSmart] PichaLatigo:
I received 3 different IMEIs from AliExpress/Shenzen. I guess all z8 owners have same IMEI... :confused:

hello friend,

"Yes, the factory don't install the imei number for Spain country here, cuz your country customs very strict for phone products.

Here is the IMEI number from factory. please try to install this into the phone, then can works well. please don't worry.

Best regards

Kenny"

Introduced IMEI with mobileuncle MTK Tools Now Z8 is working as a standalone mobile. Micro and speaker work very clear in phone conversation (in this task, it seems better than the Omate).

GPS just used once. Endomondo took around 5 minutes to have GPS ready. I was outdoor. No GPS indoor. No GPS fix installed yet.

Worst thing of this smartwatch is battery. It is marking only between 100% to 90%. When is 90% it switches off. And when charging it goes from empty to 100% in less than 10 minutes. What about yours?
[Ornate TrueSmart] lirona:
Hello my friend,

I have the same thing with the battery, It is marking only between 100% to 90%. When is 90% it switches off. And when charging it goes from empty to 100% in less than 10 minutes.

I thought it was a battery problem so I asked the manufacturer to send me a new battery.

Is there a solution?

Might have to do battery calibration?

Thanks and have a good day,

Arie.
[Ornate TrueSmart] PichaLatigo:
Z8 paired with Jabra Sport bluetooth headset and Zephyr bluetooth Heart Rate band. Those with Endomondo Pro app make a nice sport Combo