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[Samsung Galaxy S Relay 4G] sorgo:
endangered species listed here

qwerty android phones:

http://www.meetgadget.com/gadget/#/gadget/category/Cell Phones/?f[3373][]=4764&f[7178][]=9439

gsm qwerty android phones:

http://www.meetgadget.com/gadget/#/...?f[3373][]=4764&f[7178][]=9439&f[3327][]=4772

side-sliders qwerty android phones:

http://www.meetgadget.com/gadget/#/...s/?f[3373][]=4764&f[3341]=4486&f[7178][]=9439

I am really considering buying another relay to have another one backup phone just for the day when the qwerty phones will be absolutely extinct in the future.
[Samsung Galaxy S Relay 4G] RodimusConvoy:
Agreed. And Relays seem to remain available through ebay. The prices vary: I've seen some as cheap as $170 and as expensive as $250, but at least they are consistently available from various vendors. And I'm talking brand new still in the package with the plastic. But this may not last forever, though, so yeah, getting two might be in order.
[Samsung Galaxy S Relay 4G] sorgo:
yes, I bought mine (used device) in november for $125 (plus shipping and import charges, it was ~ €150). Now the lowest price for a device listed as NEW is $163. The only problems I had to replace the screen protector and now my display flex cable is starting to die. Maybe a good idea is to by one for spare parts too :) But I would recommend to buy a new one just to make sure that the keyboard mechanism isn't used too much.
[Samsung Galaxy S Relay 4G] Bobby Tables:
I have the non-qwerty F3, and it would be seriously better with 8-16x the internal storage. It does have LTE (awesome if you're in an area where T-Mobile is serving it up), better RF performance (better dBm levels in 2G and 3G areas, at least), and amazing battery life, but the lack of internal storage is its Achilles heel. Naturally, they couldn't be bothered to upgrade that when they tacked on a keyboard, and there seems to be nothing on the horizon with regard to custom ROMs.

I dragged my Relay out of storage, popped my SIM into it (had to use an adapter since the F3 uses a Micro SIM), and fired it up again. Then, less than 24 hours after I take the CM plunge, CM development for the Relay grinds to a halt. :eek:

What a shame, since, other than a couple of rough edges (the AOSP calendar isn't as good as LG's calendar, and LG's calendar isn't as good as Samsung's, and also I can't sort contacts by last name) I like what I see with the M8 release.

What I am really starting to hate about the smartphone market is that every damn phone seems to have some sort of stupid $#!+ somewhere. Nexus 5? No removable battery, no external SD - the latest fashion! Recent Samsungs? Region locked, even if it's a "soft" lock and I'm unlikely to travel overseas anytime soon. Aren't they also locking the bootloaders on the S5 and Note 3? Don't even get me started on Apple's walled garden. Google seems to be steadily inching in that direction as well, as everything gets shoved into Google Play Services. The LG G3 looks promising (they brought back the external SD and the removable battery, yay!) but it's a flagship phone with a flagship price, and it's anybody's guess whether there will be any custom ROMs for it. Also, the buttons on the back make it useless with my windshield bracket.
[Samsung Galaxy S Relay 4G] RodimusConvoy:
I'm still watching eBay, but from reading some of the reviews people left for some of the sellers, sellers are selling refurbs/used Relay 4Gs as new. I wanted this phone to be my "in-between" phone between the one I have now (Epic 4G) and the S5/S6. Now it looks like I might be better off getting the non-qwerty ZTE Overture.

Its decent enough plus I can unlock it for my travels to Mexico. Cricket has gobs of them available ($80) at their brick and mortar stores so...there's that at least.

I honestly think the solution is to start making phone cases that have sliding keyboards that hook up to your phone via bluetooth. But apparently I'm the only one who thinks that, so...

I'm still watching this board, and it seems like the CM offshoots are fairing better, like OmniToad and such. Have you given them a try?

Funny you mention this. I was talking to a friend about Sony's Z2, how I said it not having a removable battery was a deal breaker for me. He said he's just carry around one of those battery charging packs. He said he'd just keep it hooked up to that. That seems a bit...inconvenient, especially since from what I've seen they seem to be a bit bulky. I like having a spare mAh battery in my pocket I can just swap out when the old one in the phone is dead or dying. But I guess what my friend is doing is a solution other folks are doing as well.

I thought for whatever reason T-Mobile doesn't lock their bootloaders on their Samsung phones? Unless tha thas changed? :confused:
[Samsung Galaxy S Relay 4G] Bobby Tables:
After poking around a bit, there's a lot of conflicting information about whether the S5's bootloader is unlocked or not, but it looks like the T-Mobile version is, at least. Still, that's a top-of-the-line phone with a price to match, and there doesn't even seem to be an unofficial CM for the S5. At least it's rootable and can have a custom recovery (and there are some ROMs for it).

I'd love a Nexus 5, if it weren't for the battery and "no SD card for you!" issues.

What I hate most, though, is the upgrade treadmill that every damn phone manufacturer wants to force us onto.

I guess I'll have to see how well one of the other ROMs works out for the Relay, if CM is going to be a dead end. I did manage to free up a chunk of space on my F3 as well (some of the bloatware can be uninstalled from LG's app manager, and I had to manually delete 300+ MB of data for QTranslator since uninstalling the app didn't delete the data). So, I could probably live with the F3 for another six months at least. :)
[Samsung Galaxy S Relay 4G] Gibson99:
having just come from a motorola droid4 to the relay a couple months ago, i can say that having a locked bootloader isn't the end of the world as long as you have a good dev community. i absolutely loved having safestrap. it uses TWRP but it uses your internal storage to create "rom slots" which you can put different roms on. the way i understand it, it makes a blob of a file that acts like the system and user partitions when you boot to that other rom slot, and it hides the stock rom's system/user partitions from that other rom. from inside the stock rom when you browse the internal storage, it just looks like a big blob of a single file that is however big you made it when you created the rom slot. if you only have one rom slot besides stock, you still have the rest of your internal storage to use with either stock or whatever rom you use... plus your entire SD card of course.

it's called safestrap because you ALWAYS have stock to fall back on if it turns out your rom has some showstopper bug - you don't have to backup or restore anything - you just reboot, tap the button to enter safestrap, pick which rom slot you want to boot from, and let it finish booting. adds about 5 seconds to your reboot time rather than however many minutes it takes to backup, re-flash, etc etc. i miss that now that i'm on the relay. it made trying out new roms much less risky if, like me, you can't be without a functioning phone. being able to dual boot is pretty cool, imho, and worth the small amount of "wasted" space by keeping the stock rom around.

i too hate the trends towards thinner/wider/etc, sealed batteries, and lack of SD slots. and lack of keyboards!

BT keyboards - some do exist and not all of them are total crap. there's one for the S4 that actually looks halfway decent but i don't know how it feels to type on, nor do i know how it behaves with the OS. http://www.cellphoneshop.net/keys4detach.html

i still prefer the keyboard on my old droid4 when it comes to actually typing, in terms of key placement and feel, but i like having all the symbols available on the relay's keyboard. i just wish i could disable the relay's damned alt-backspace that deletes entire lines. VERY annoying when you accidentally tap alt without realizing it. it wouldn't be so bad if there were an undo function, but there isn't.
[Samsung Galaxy S Relay 4G] Scorpizoid:
I created an Indiegogo campaign to build a high-quality QWERTY Android phone. Unfortunately I'm not able to post links so I'll have to write 9 posts before creating a thread for the campaign :)
[Samsung Galaxy S Relay 4G] tomacco88:
there's rumours of a blackberry android with a qwerty keyboard but its just a waiting game to see if they are true. after all these years im beginning to like the idea of a slimmer lighter phone without the keyboard but none of the flagships tempt me atm.
[Samsung Galaxy S Relay 4G] Suncatcher16:
We must hope! I believe it will be released:)
[Samsung Galaxy S Relay 4G] simpler=better:
The specs on the Relay might be "dated" but it's still more powerful than my first computer. Running OmniToad it's plenty fast enough for me.

I like using my S4 to watch videos or scroll around on reddit, but if I need to get something actually done teh relay comes out. You can't beat a physical keyboard.

When my Relay gives up the ghost I'll probably go back to BB though
[Samsung Galaxy S Relay 4G] k1darkknight:
I actually LOVE this idea, and have seen a handful of cases, generally for specific (highly popular) phones, like the iPhones and Galaxy S# series. I REALLY wish there was more of a market for this, or that case manufacturers could market such accessories in a way that people would realize how awesome the idea is. I'd LOVE a slide-out BT-keyboard case for my new LG G Stylo, or for a Galaxy Note 3 or 4. Alas, it seems such large devices get overlooked for accessories, at least for now. Something like THAT, through crowdfunding, might be a decent enough seller....
[Samsung Galaxy S Relay 4G] unforgettableid:
They are true.

Please see: http://xdaforums.com/galaxy-s-relay-4g/general/slider-coming-t3213281
[Samsung Galaxy S Relay 4G] Flash-A-Holic:
I actually did this ;). I bought Xiaomi Mi4C (very nice specs) and keyboard case for iPhone 6 (about 20$). Then little bit modding and the results are here: Qwerty Keyboard Slider [DIY]
[Samsung Galaxy S Relay 4G] sorgo:
http://www.ubergizmo.com/2016/12/bla...ercury-leaked/

It looks like BB is about to release another QWERTY phone. But the times of slider keyboards are gone.
[Samsung Galaxy S Relay 4G] sorgo:
Good news everyone. Moto Z slider keyboard mod on the horizon.

Discussion on reddit:

https://www.reddit.com/r/Moto_Z/comments/5vlp1c/moto_z_slider_keyboard_mod_is_here/

Updated design (if you're laze to read it all):

http://i.imgur.com/tWFFEv9.png

Indiegogo link (register for updates):

https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/physical-keyboard-slider-mod-for-moto-z/coming_soon
[Samsung Galaxy S Relay 4G] chuckiev79:
That's sooooo awesome! Not in the market to get a new phone for at least another year or two, but I believe I read moto mods will be supported for at least three more years.
[Samsung Galaxy S Relay 4G] vmu:
Boom, Funded! I'm going for the Moto Z (Play. I like my headphone jack).
[Samsung Galaxy S Relay 4G] segacs:
I would fund this keyboard, but my concern is that, by the time it is released and working, the Moto Z may be obsolete as a handset. I don't want to invest in an entirely new phone on the hopes that it may one day get a working keyboard just in time for the phone to disappear.

I like the idea of the Moto Z in theory. In practice, it feels like the mods are being released too far after the fact, and there's no way app developers will be able to take them all into account when developing or testing.

How about another slider phone that's actually built that way? Somebody? Anybody? My Galaxy S Relay is hanging on by a thread, but I am at my wit's end since I absolutely cannot type on a touchscreen.
[Samsung Galaxy S Relay 4G] demkantor:
I've learned to live with a touchscreen but in truth I would go back to a slider right away if a quality one were to show up

But Lenovo is promising compatibility for 3 years on their mods across a few different models in the z line, so mods for current gen Moto z will work with the new phones coming out soon and at least the following year as well.

But if not, so long as it works well with current Moto z you will have a quality keyboard on a phone at least 3-4 years more advanced than the relay, if this pans out and price isn't astronomical, anyone still on these threads should scramble to the Moto Z
[Samsung Galaxy S Relay 4G] jmichael2497:
Planet Computers based in UK looks promising

Planet Computers based in UK looks promising with their Gemini PDA though their first version is an awkward clamshell... hopefully the next version is better and a slider :fingers-crossed:

https://xdaforums.com/gemini-pda
[Samsung Galaxy S Relay 4G] jmichael2497:
Moto Mod for Z family landscape slider keyboard approved shipping 2018 Q2

i seem to have overlooked the mentions in here or i might've been tempted as well to go this route (probably my habit of dismissing crowd funded projects by default unless they get *a lot* of recommendations).

https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/keyboard-mod-a-physical-keyboard-for-the-moto-z#/updates/all

it looks like the 2016-?? slider keyboard Moto Mod concept that was funded 2017-05 will finally begin shipping about a year later 2018-06, starting with the no-battery version, as the battery version is still going through certification process then they'll be online and in stores .

http://livermoriumltd.co.uk/products/keyboard-mod/

Moto Mods are compatible with the Z family, so despite the almost 2 year time to reality, there are nice modern phones to work with apparently, currently with wildly varying prices depending on carrier locked (why is this *still* a thing?) $300 vs unlocked up to $700 range (but at least all those have a "free" moto add-on offer).

https://www.motorola.com/us/products/moto-z-family

the slider mod seems much more to my taste than the Planet Gemini PDA clamshell (which is more excellent pda than awkard smartphone), as this mod just adds the missing bit of a slider keyboard (with option of bonus battery power), and the screen plus front cam is always available (unlike the clamshell pda)... although both require opening the keyboard to use the main camera (rear in phone, pda only has front).

https://xdaforums.com/gemini-pda

time for me to start researching options and pricing of the 1440P screen DayDream and Oreo ready Moto Z (2016) or Moto Z2 Force (2017)... (update: the Z2 Force has official ARcore support, so i'm leaning that way, waiting to see official Z3 releases for prices to drop).

https://vr.google.com/daydream/smartphonevr/phones

https://developers.google.com/ar/discover/supported-devices

https://www.gsmarena.com/compare.php3?idPhone1=8094&idPhone2=8693#*,us-unlocked,*

(edit: skip Z Z2 Z3 of Play series, they're 1080p. note Z Force (VZW only) has nice big battery)
[Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Sloopdawgg:
So I have looked just about everywhere to see if anyone else has had this crazy issue and I can't seem to find anyone else who has.

The issue I am having is that when I plug in Beats headphones or portable speakers into the headphone jack, the audio is only output while I am on my home screen. If I open any other app, pull down the notification shade, or even let the phone sleep, audio no longer pushes through the headphones. It continues to be played but is not being output. Things get even more confusing when I put in Apple ear buds because the issue totally goes away. It only presents itself with headphones such as Beats or portable speakers.

I have had this issue on just about every KK AOSP rom I've ran (tried just about all of them) and using different kernels as well.

I have tried wiping everything and starting from scratch with a clean rom and the issue is still there. It's worth saying that the issue isn't on one single app such as Play Music or Spotify, but rather every app that outputs audio.

If anyone has any suggestions on how to fix this I would be very grateful. I am really a fan of the stock look and fly quite frequently so noise cancelling headphones are much preferred over Apple's.

Thanks for any help given!

EDIT: I'm also on the Verizon Note II
[LG Optimus 4X HD] mackief:
[MENTION=4719724]Adam77Root[/MENTION] , [MENTION=4716493]laufersteppenwolf[/MENTION] & [MENTION=1149134]Demetris[/MENTION] : I need your help.

I'm building a strictly AOSPKK-based rom, using your sources (tried with android-4.4, cm-11.0 & slim-kk branches). Experienced a very strange issue, related to /cache partition, that doesn't let me work on fixing every other issue on the rom.

In fact, during the boot issue, lot of apps are continously crashing, as /cache doesn't let itself mount.

Pulled a kmsg, who told me this little - important - thing:

fs_mgr: Cannot mount filesystem on /dev/block/platform/sdhci-tegra.3/by-name/CAC at /cache

Pulled a logcat too, that told me this little thing too (in addition to the numerous error strings to it related):

F/SystemServer( 530): BOOT FAILURE starting DeviceStorageMonitor service
F/SystemServer( 530): java.lang.IllegalArgumentException: Invalid path: /cache
F/SystemServer( 530):	at android.os.StatFs.doStat(StatFs.java:46)
F/SystemServer( 530):	at android.os.StatFs.<init>(StatFs.java:39)
F/SystemServer( 530):	at com.android.server.DeviceStorageMonitorService.<init>(DeviceStorageMonitorService.java:322)
F/SystemServer( 530):	at com.android.server.ServerThread.initAndLoop(SystemServer.java:581)
F/SystemServer( 530):	at com.android.server.SystemServer.main(SystemServer.java:1179)
F/SystemServer( 530):	at java.lang.reflect.Method.invokeNative(Native Method)
F/SystemServer( 530):	at java.lang.reflect.Method.invoke(Method.java:515)
F/SystemServer( 530):	at com.android.internal.os.ZygoteInit$MethodAndArgsCaller.run(ZygoteInit.java:779)
F/SystemServer( 530):	at com.android.internal.os.ZygoteInit.main(ZygoteInit.java:595)
F/SystemServer( 530):	at dalvik.system.NativeStart.main(Native Method)
F/SystemServer( 530): Caused by: libcore.io.ErrnoException: statvfs failed: ENOENT (No such file or directory)
F/SystemServer( 530):	at libcore.io.Posix.statvfs(Native Method)
F/SystemServer( 530):	at libcore.io.ForwardingOs.statvfs(ForwardingOs.java:132)
F/SystemServer( 530):	at android.os.StatFs.doStat(StatFs.java:44)
F/SystemServer( 530):	... 9 more
W/SystemServer( 530): ***********************************************

Have you ever experienced this bug?

Do you nearly know where the cause could be?

PS: this could help to fix any bug in AOSP KitKat, who knows ;)

Let me know. :)

Thanks in advance,

mackief.
[LG Optimus 4X HD] laufersteppenwolf:
First, nope, I've never seen this yet :D

Do you have some more infos from the dmesg, as this line says a lot, but still not much ;) :p

So, what did you do? did you format the /cache partition manually (not using the wipe-data-way)? If so, which recovery are you using?

What else did you try?

BTW, what do you thing about moving this discussion either into a new thread or into the dev only thread, as it's quite off topic ;) Just let me know and I can move it ;)
[LG Optimus 4X HD] IcanhasLG:
Looks like a mismatch in fstab or a kernel automount script/fstab mismatch to me.

I'd review init.rc (which is created by the ROM build) if i were you. Chances are it's a simple problem, why not post the ROM and let us look at it?

It should be noted that none of the scripts apart from Omni are AOSP compatible (not that they are compatible, they are most certainly not but it's as close as you'll get), i'd revert to last known good and go from there.

It's what i'm doing, my effort is to drag the entire thing along with kernel and built blobs that are currently used and using the latest cardhu drivers, if you are interested in that and know something about kernel progamming, PM me.

---------- Post added at 01:59 AM ---------- Previous post was at 01:19 AM ----------

Well done, you have PM. ;)
[LG Optimus 4X HD] Adam77Root:
I had this once when enabled rootfs security contexts for SELinux. Omni didn't have the needed rules yet. Just revert they commit in the kernel or include common policies from vendor/omni and you're good to go.

Sent from my OmniROM-powered LG Optimus 4X HD
[LG Optimus 4X HD] mackief:
I formatted /data for a factory reset, after installing the rom, and then manually /cache and dalvik-cache.

I know I'm off-topic, sorry for it, if you think it's better to move my post to a specific thread, then do it, no problem! ;)

Thanks, will send a PM with ROM link! ;)

Could you explain more specificly what do I need from vendor? Could you provide that commit, please?

Or better, could you tell me which is the commit to ne reverted in the kernel?
[LG Optimus 4X HD] laufersteppenwolf:
I think [MENTION=4719724]Adam77Root[/MENTION] is referring to THIS commit ;)

About the post moving, I will move it into a new thread when I'm back home later, if you want a special title, just send me a PM ;)
[LG Optimus 4X HD] mackief:
If he was referring to that one, then I already found it by searching on Google.

Already made a build disabling it, right now gonna test: let you know! ;)

---------- Post added at 02:25 PM ---------- Previous post was at 02:18 PM ----------

#UPDATE: Yep, truly fixed. Thanks, guys! :)
[LG Optimus 4X HD] laufersteppenwolf:
Just gonna ping some people to let them know I moved these posts.... just ignore this post ;) :D
[MENTION=4523387]mackief[/MENTION] [MENTION=4719724]Adam77Root[/MENTION] [MENTION=5747515]IcanhasLG[/MENTION] @laufersteppenwolf
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S 5] hapticxchaos:
I've decompiled it and am looking at PhoneWindowManager.smali in Notepad+ but I havent the faintest what to edit to remap it. I see a few entries tha treference long press home button and recent app diags but again I'm not entirely sure what to do.

Thanks for any help you can offer
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S 5] CZ Eddie:
I can't help with what you want.

But just in case you didn't already know, Xposed mods can do this on the fly.

Here's my favorite one. It can remap all kinds of things. As can Nova Launcher and other launchers.

http://xdaforums.com/xposed/modules/app-gravitybox-v2-9-1-tweak-box-android-t2554049
[JAM, MDA Compact, S100 Software Upgrading] Marjinal:
I got Jam and running 1.12.00 WWE ROM and 1.12.10 Radio 1.12.128 ExtROM . Last weeks i have tried to install BRS and i have succeeded but after a while i decided to original shipped ROM ( mentioned above ). Right after all these changings, my device started to fail getting SMS messages ( but sending without any problem ), i think while these tunings something went wrong or something and it caused this problem ( certainly its not about my SIM card or of its settings ). So here is my question : i wanna upgrade my device to the newest shipped ROM as well as the newest Radio vers. , in order to fulfill my aim what files ( i mean which ROM and Radio version and other needed apps etc. ) do i have to have and may i get them from xda ftp ? And my last request from you dear Masters, can this upgrade manage to solve my SMS problem ? This situation is getting very important for me day by day, its itching my brain every moment.
[JAM, MDA Compact, S100 Software Upgrading] erwinsie:
i dont think your sms problem is caused by the ROM. i did use 1.12, and had no sms problem like yours. now im using 1.13 rom and radio (but no ext rom:)), which i believe are the latest for magician at the moment. find them on the FTP. thanks
[JAM, MDA Compact, S100 Software Upgrading] charmz2k2:
O2 Settings

Hi,

I've just upgraded to the O2 Big Storage Rom (WWE_O2_1.12.00.zip from the FTP), I was expecting (probably naiively) to have all the O2 settings etc to be installed as well.

There's no O2 customisation whatsoever and I don't even have the option for MMS in my messaging Folder.

Is there any way to just get the latest O2 Mini Rom?

Or to at least get the settings - i'm assuming that they all come from the extended rom? If so, how should I go about installing that?

I have searched and there's so much going on, it all gets a bit daunting.

Thank you for your help in advance

C