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[Kindle Fire Android Development] sabres032:
In my humble opinion every device is different as well as user experience. Some users want performance while some users want battery life. Some devices can handle the the balance of performance with the battery life while some can't. It's all a trade off. Some users have minimal apps installed while others have lots of resource dependant apps installed. Right not [MENTION=4410674]lovejoy777[/MENTION] is trying to find a good balance between the two. Once that happy medium is found and he is able to tweak the kernel with easy scripts we will have to be patient. His goal is a stable build with stable kernel that is easily tweakable so reach user can find his/her happy medium.

My suggestion would be to find the build and kernel that works best for you and use it. If your happy don't mess with the device. Let him and his testers play around with finding something better and then try it. Again if it doesn't work for you then go back to what does. Eventually something that works for all of us will be found and we all will be happy. Which is what we all really want in the end, right?

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Right now I don't think that is necessary. Like I just said every device is different and every user experience is different. I would concentrate on finding a stable kernel setting for the average user that is both fast and stable. Once that happy medium is found then you can work on an easy way for the more experience users to tweak settings to suit their needs. Again we all need to be patient here, as it is you are the only SlimROM maintainer for the OtterX.

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A) happy birthday. B) you were only about 350 miles from me. How often do you make it to the Rochester or Buffalo area? I live about half way between those two cities.
[Kindle Fire Android Development] lovejoy777:
happy birthday koop. wish i had a job like that;) sounds awesome. i just pull cables into houses all day.. boring...
[Kindle Fire Android Development] lllukas:
Happy birthday [MENTION=3816775]koop1955[/MENTION] !![emoji481] [emoji481] Your work sounds amazing ! You are lucky man. I hope someday You arrive to us (Poland), to CD Projekt game studio ;) Thats here They created The Witcher ;)

Sorry for OT Loveyjoy777 ;)
[Kindle Fire Android Development] lovejoy777:
np i like ot :)
[Kindle Fire Android Development] koop1955:
The off-topic was my fault, I'll PM you guys with the answers. I did want to explain why I disappear at times.

Steve, I had posted a link to the "Init.d Toggler" app. Would that help you with the scripts?
[Kindle Fire Android Development] Neoistheone2000:
Hey there, on 8.1 now but stop sleep doesn't seem to be working [emoji22]

I can't seen to post a screenshot [emoji53]
[Kindle Fire Android Development] lovejoy777:
screen shot. /settings/navigation/global/screenshots thin its in the power button menu
[Kindle Fire Android Development] JimDandy68:
So thanks again for your work on this ROM. If I'm experiencing significant UI lagginess, is there something I'm missing in setup? I installed Trickstermod and even though it seemed the governer was already set to SmartassV2, just opening that (and making the kernel settings stick at reboot) seems to have helped some. Otherwise, I find I have to click things more than once, and response is often slow moving within and between apps. Do I need to do a full wipe and reflash, or is this just to be expected on such an old device running KitKat?
[Kindle Fire Android Development] lovejoy777:
no there is a bit of lag sometimes but it shouldn't be that bad. if you didn't do a clean install that will be the reason. 8.1 lots changed in framework so needs the full clean.
[Kindle Fire Android Development] AtomicFizzle:
BTW I do still get SoD from time to time on 8.0. I did a full wipe and clean install too.

I'll try wiping again and a clean install of 8.1 tonight.
[Kindle Fire Android Development] lovejoy777:
strange your the 1st to get them. wait for 8.2 its nearly done
[Kindle Fire Android Development] lovejoy777:
ok need to vote.. do we keep linaro toolchain with no chrome or use google toolchain and have chrome??
[Kindle Fire Android Development] lovejoy777:
1st vote is for chrome :)
[Kindle Fire Android Development] AtomicFizzle:
Not too strange- I am trouble!! 10-4, will hold off until 8.2. Thx!
[Kindle Fire Android Development] kev716:
Advantages of linaro toolchain?
[Kindle Fire Android Development] lllukas:
[MENTION=4410674]lovejoy777[/MENTION]

Maybe now, we could try google compiler. We will see whats diference is with new smartassv2 values. What do You think ?
[Kindle Fire Android Development] lovejoy777:
should be speed
[Kindle Fire Android Development] sabres032:
What is the difference between the tool chains?
[Kindle Fire Android Development] koop1955:
After trying out Dolphin Browser, I probably won't be going back to Chrome no matter what.
[Kindle Fire Android Development] lovejoy777:
linaro toolchain compiles the android source code in such a way that it optimizes the finished rom in some way. you nead to read the linaro web page it explains there. (far above me). ok new build just being flashed for testing:)
[Kindle Fire Android Development] lovejoy777:
it didn't boot. ive just swapped toolchains, finished some loose ends and did a make clobber so its going to take a bit longer. i also started on a basic app for installing my scripts (very simple but good for me to learn more:) i think tomorrow now guys. but it should be worth the wait:) a nice clean build.
[Kindle Fire Android Development] kev716:
Speed please

I'm happy with the stock browser so I vote for the linaro toolchain
[Kindle Fire Android Development] JimDandy68:
Think I did do a full clean install, but I'll try again and see how it goes. Thanks.
[Kindle Fire Android Development] gnexdude:
Linaro!!! If I remember correctly linaro builds were so much faster. I use javelin browser with no problems. Thanks for the right to vote!
[Kindle Fire Android Development] pfederighi:
Linaro - there are plenty of other quality browsers. Also the Linaro build was the first time I thought this ROM didn't lag so much that I couldn't use it (please don't take offense as none is intended). Now it is nice, though I do agree with a kvestas that the b4 and b6 kernels had fewer lag issues that b8+.
[Kindle Fire Android Development] lovejoy777:
nice thanks for the feedback. ill stick with the linaro builds as most seem happy to use a different browser. i might still just release 8.2 with google toolchain and see if there really is a difference. (as its already built)
[Kindle Fire Android Development] sabres032:
Might as well get all the feed back possible.
[Kindle Fire Android Development] ayush000:
force close loop

Stuck in a force close loop. com.android.phone and android.process.acore giviing fc. Flashed this ROM over Hashcode's CM11 0608(gave no issues) after clean wipe. Followed instructions to word(except that I've bootloader 2.05). On build 8.1+ and build 8 slim gapps. Clean reflashing didn't help either
[Kindle Fire Android Development] lovejoy777:
you need to clear google apps data its the new gapps.

From Dankoman (slimroms gapps maintainer).

Google changed a bunch of stuff in new play services. This has caused issues for several apps, including maps and hangouts. Some modifications needed to be done, but I think I've got the kinks worked out. After flashing latest gapps (which is version 282), if you're having issues with maps or hangouts won't stop trying to update itself, do this:

1. Remove Google account from phone

2. Clear data for play store, play services, and services framework.

3. Reboot into recovery and clear cache.

This should prevent the need to clean flash (though that will also take care of the issue, if you'd rather do that), and you should only have to do this once.
[Kindle Fire Android Development] lovejoy777:
I've added the above info to op
[Kindle Fire Android Development] Neoistheone2000:
I like Google chrome, if you want someone to test 8.2, I'll do it, I may be slow to respond today, home sick :(
[Kindle Fire Android Development] lovejoy777:
np im sick too. so might be later or maybe tomorrow..
[Kindle Fire Android Development] Hashbang173:
Can anybody test if chrome works on the Official AICP rom? No linaro. Or could someone test with official CM?
[Kindle Fire Android Development] lovejoy777:
i take it it doesn't work on your build either? im trying google toolchain. now i have a build done, give me 10 mins i will check if it works.
[Kindle Fire Android Development] lovejoy777:
ok its not linaro. i just built 8.2 with google gcc and chrome still crashes. so back to linaro it is then. i take it normal otter builds it works? has anyone just converted to otterx who can comfirm?
[Kindle Fire Android Development] sabres032:
I probably won't be able to do any testing until Monday. I just started my work rotation and so far the ambulance transports have been off the hook.
[Kindle Fire Android Development] lovejoy777:
np;) i have been sorting out my source code and github etc. I've swapped back to linaro. but still having a few issues building.
[Kindle Fire Android Development] lovejoy777:
wow. i got carried away and added a few things, i also found the error with building. i had a typo on my linaro toolchain path. i've always had to copy 1 lib over from my old cm build into my linaro compiled rom to get slimkat to boot, now i found the exact error with the slimkat source which stopped it booting. so this is the 1st build that has every lib compiled with linaro. so hopefully this may improve things a little. sorry for the wait but i want to get the next release as good as i can:). steve
[Kindle Fire Android Development] koop1955:
Steve, I just got around to updating to 8.1+, so naturally you will have 8.2 ready and it will be massively improved, curing most diseases and ending baldness. :)

And will of course require a complete wipe.

Looking forward to it!

For minimalist fans, I just tried PA GAPPS PICO package. Really small, 36MB. Also, if anyone is interested, PA now offers a GAPPS remover that lets you get rid of components. There is also a flashable for Chrome (and Chrome beta) which might help with the Chrome crashing? Just a wild idea, but if someone wanted to test...

Links: http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=2397942 and http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?p=50684852#post50684852
[Kindle Fire Android Development] lovejoy777:
i like dark slim so i have to use slim gapps. also settings/slimcenter/slimisizer :) we have a built in system app remover:) will try chrome.zip when/if i get this bloody thing built, error error error. gggggrrrrr
[Kindle Fire Android Development] lovejoy777:
complete wipe not needed, worst case its clear google data as before (see op, its there now post 2) :)
[Kindle Fire Android Development] PantherVT:
Hey guys,

I tried out F2FS back in the early days, but switched back to EXT4 due to performance issues, and well, the final EXT4 Build of slim was basically perfect. I'm thinking about changing it up again so I can start using current builds. Do the F2FS builds still suffer lag issues during screen transitions and when playing games? I understand we are talking about a 1st gen kindle here and performance is limited, but a few months ago games that would work smoothly while on EXT4 system didnt work on F2FS. Switching file systems (I think thats what this is) is a little more difficult than flashing a new ROM so I thought I would reach out to the community before making the leap again. thanks!
[Kindle Fire Android Development] koop1955:
While "your mileage may vary" of course, I am finding the 8.1+ much vaster than previous builds. I think that we are definitely on the right track.
[Kindle Fire Android Development] asjimene:
I just tried the chrome.zip ands chrome still crashes. Also calendar storage is constantly crashing since installing the chrome.zip. I'm going to remove it with slimsizzer now and hope things become stable again. If not I eagerly await [MENTION=4410674]lovejoy777[/MENTION] next build!
[Kindle Fire Android Development] eems01:
FYI: Chrome browser still works fine on the last twa_priv OtterX f2fs build. Since development has seemingly stopped on that ROM I'm considering moving on to try and get better sleep battery retention.
[Kindle Fire Android Development] lovejoy777:
i will check his github:) thanks. im releasing new build tonight its very smooth and fast? i think we are getting there.
[Kindle Fire Android Development] Ixthusdan:
Twa_priv used the sgt7 tool chain. When he tried Linaro, he encountered errors.
[Kindle Fire Android Development] koop1955:
For anyone still experiencing lag after a clean install of 8.1+, be sure that you have changed all three transition settings to .25.

This build is quite fast for me.
[Kindle Fire Android Development] lovejoy777:
all im getting with linaro is build errors :(
[Kindle Fire Android Development] gnexdude:
[emoji24]
[Kindle Fire Android Development] Hashbang173:
Have you tried the Linaro 4.7 toolchain?

I can give you a link to it tomorrow if you need it. I think the one I use is build in early 2014.
[Kindle Fire Android Development] lovejoy777:
ill try tomorrow
[Kindle Fire Android Development] Hashbang173:
[MENTION=4410674]lovejoy777[/MENTION]

More Commit's from CM

https://github.com/CyanogenMod/android_kernel_amazon_otter-common/commits/cm-11.0
[Kindle Fire Android Development] bflobills:
Excuse my ignorance, but how do you 'change all three transition settings to .25'?

Thanks
[Kindle Fire Android Development] koop1955:
Settings -> Developer Options. Then scroll down. Tap each one to set.

And don't worry about asking questions, we'll answer!
[Kindle Fire Android Development] lovejoy777:
been busy guys. sorry i will have new one soon.
[Kindle Fire Android Development] asjimene:
Yay! Was getting worried about you lol
[Kindle Fire Android Development] bflobills:
I am loving this ROM - thanks Steve! :good:

I have noticed in BBS that despite setting the wifi to 'never' stay on during deep sleep - the stats say it's been on 100% of the time. Could this be a reason for the higher than normal battery drain? Is anyone else seeing this?
[Kindle Fire Android Development] koop1955:
I will suggest that it is not the ROM (I get excellent battery life, in addition to good performance) but an app that you have running. Try installing Greenify and Wakelock detector (both are freely available from Play) and see if you can find the culprit.

Cheers.
[Kindle Fire Android Development] Neoistheone2000:
Google released an update to Chrome, let's see if it still crashes :P

Edit: Nope [emoji22]

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@lovejoy777 is there any way I can give you my Titanium Backup of Chrome 26 and you make it a flashable for peoples that want it?

With out my data in it [emoji12]
[Kindle Fire Android Development] lovejoy777:
Good idea, if you get an app called zipme https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=zip.me&hl=en (its awesome) its easy to do it yourself then post it here and get some thanks/credit for yourself:D

[MENTION=4570641]Neoistheone2000[/MENTION] [MENTION=3816775]koop1955[/MENTION] [MENTION=4975132]sabres032[/MENTION] [MENTION=4181897]asjimene[/MENTION]

I have a new rom building slimkat8.4:)

also I need a tester for something special:-; , who's about now?? its awesome, i spent a week making it, sshhhhhhhhhh
[Kindle Fire Android Development] samsat:
I can help you.

US West coast time zone.
[Kindle Fire Android Development] koop1955:
Ready anytime.
[Kindle Fire Android Development] AtomicFizzle:
Bluetooth! [emoji12] he he. I'm game if you need any troublemaker testers.
[Kindle Fire Android Development] lovejoy777:
[MENTION=3816775]koop1955[/MENTION] pm sent, sorry for delay:)
[Kindle Fire Android Development] koop1955:
Got it. I'll be on for hours so don't stress. :)
[Kindle Fire Android Development] KCJunkman:
if you need another tester, i am free also

KCJunkman
[Kindle Fire Android Development] lovejoy777:
[MENTION=3816775]koop1955[/MENTION] let me know:) don't unzip the script. it should work zipped or unzipped as I've implemented that feature. you could delete the script from /system/etc/init.d then try unzipping and then installing it unzipped. hope that makes sense:) i will release it properly after people in this thread have tested it for awhile.
[Kindle Fire Android Development] lovejoy777:
what i was trying to say. was try installing the script zipped 1st then delete it and unzip the file and reinstall again to check it all works.
[Kindle Fire Android Development] koop1955:
Zipped didn't work, although the app had no problem with it. Will try the unzipped version now.

Edit: By "didn't worK" I mean Max Freq wasn't changed. Tried the init.d unzipped and that didn't work either.

Edit: SUCCESS!!!! Followed instructions but manually rebooted and it worked like a charm! Great work!
[Kindle Fire Android Development] lovejoy777:
slimkat build 8.4

wipe/ factory reset

wipe a/dvanced/ system

install rom and gapps

on this build smartass is not set as default just activate it with trickster.

Link: https://www.androidfilehost.com/?fid=95747613655044439

I used zipme app to make a flashable .zip of all my apps and just flashed that after initial setup.

enjoy steve
[Kindle Fire Android Development] lovejoy777:
slimkat build 8.4

wipe/ factory reset

wipe /advanced/ system

install rom and gapps

on this build smartass is not set as default just activate it with trickster.

Link: https://www.androidfilehost.com/?fid=95747613655044439

I used zipme app to make a flashable .zip of all my apps and just flashed that after initial setup.

enjoy steve
[Kindle Fire Android Development] gnexdude:
Thanks Lovejoy, flashed it no issues. I froze Google play services since its constantly running. Do you foresee any issues with this?
[Kindle Fire Android Development] lllukas:
Damn :) im late to the party again :( but i have good explaination... Yesterday i drinked some vodka with my father in law :) Now im ready to test new goods from You ;) send me this script please :)
[Kindle Fire Android Development] sd_shadow:
Don't flash ROMs drunk...
[Kindle Fire Android Development] lllukas:
That was yesterday, i slept really well, like a stone :) Now im clear headed with little hum in head :D moreover, our kindle its unbrickable.

Regards
[Kindle Fire Android Development] lovejoy777:
[MENTION=5279145]lllukas[/MENTION] it needs more work, for some reason its working fine on my nexus 5 but not on my kindle:( its either a permission problem or a dir path problem. i have some jobs to do today then i will sit down and go through my code again. as soon as its ready you can test:) build 8.4 is none linaro as my source errors with linaro now. (i think i know the problem, i just need time to try and sort it. i will keep it as gcc 4.7 while i sort my scripts etc. don't forget to clean install and swap governor to smartass. cheers steve

[MENTION=4267571]sd_shadow[/MENTION] its good to flash drunk:) (that sounds just wrong) :D
[Kindle Fire Android Development] sabres032:
[MENTION=4410674]lovejoy777[/MENTION] I'm working the ambulance all weekend and if yesterday was any indication I'll be running my tail off. Won't be able to test in afraid.
[Kindle Fire Android Development] Ixthusdan:
I flashed, but lost all paid apps. Had to go back. Is that the problem with the store?
[Kindle Fire Android Development] asjimene:
[MENTION=4410674]lovejoy777[/MENTION] busy weekend for me as well :( but I should be able to test on Monday.
[Kindle Fire Android Development] lovejoy777:
np mate i think your job is more important. :)
[Kindle Fire Android Development] lovejoy777:
did you wipe factory reset and wipe system?
[Kindle Fire Android Development] sabres032:
Just cleared my third transport in the last three hours and I still have nine more hours to go.
[Kindle Fire Android Development] lovejoy777:
we all need you guys. i think you do an amazing job. (i couldn't do it, glad people like you are out there). :)
[Kindle Fire Android Development] sabres032:
Why thank you, sir.

With the new build is Google Launcher built in or is it still Nova Launcher? Also, is there still a need to clear out the Google data and play store services or is that why we are factory resetting the device?
[Kindle Fire Android Development] Ixthusdan:
Since it was a different tool chain, I wiped system, data, cache, and da!vik. When I do that, the kindle gets my apps when I log in. All of my purchased apps would not load without buying. I just restored from backup. Never had this happen. I have done this more times than I can count.
[Kindle Fire Android Development] sabres032:
I found some time to clean install the latest release. First smartassv2 didn't set as the default governor, had to set it in trickstermod. Second on first boot Wi-Fi wasn't turning on but that was corrected with a reboot. Everything else is running smooth as butter.
[Kindle Fire Android Development] lllukas:
Lovejoy777 didnt set smartassv2 as default, thats why you set it manualy ;)

I flashed new build at the morning. That was dirtyflash, because my daughter have a lot of SwEEttt GaMESss :) for now everything working good. [emoji122] in my opinion, there is no big difference between this two compilers... (Gsc, Linaro) really, i dont see big improvements at all, if You guys have a diferent feelings, please share it with me. But !!!!

Listen this my friends... Slimkat from [MENTION=4410674]lovejoy777[/MENTION] is the best Rom for our kindle.

[emoji123]
[Kindle Fire Android Development] Os_A:
Smartass v2

I thought the idea was to get rid of Trickster Mod being able to set smartass in the Settings. Looks like it didn't work out for last 2 posters.

PS. I am still on B4 kernel since I don't want to do clean install (daughter will not like loosing some of her apps).
[Kindle Fire Android Development] koop1955:
Lovejoy asked me to try to reproduce this issue. Can you answer two questions, please:

1) What GAPPs did you use? Slim Minimum or some other GAPPs?

2) Did you by any chance restore data using something like Titanium?

Let me know and I will try later.

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To the best of my understanding you will still need (and always need) Trickster to use the Smartass setting; this is merely setting that as the default. The flashable that I was testing for Lovejoy last night is going to be another way of making it easier for users to have a consistent and enhanced experience.

You don't ever need to lose apps when switching to a new ROM. Google itself, Titanium Back or Zipme can all reset them. Personally, I don't recommend restoring data, but restoring just the apps themselves is just fine.
[Kindle Fire Android Development] Ixthusdan:
I always install apps thru Google. I dirty flash if there are no major changes in the build. I do not restore apps through Titanium or any other method. I am using slim mini gapps.
[Kindle Fire Android Development] lovejoy777:
clear google apps data in /system/apps/all on the following apps.

accounts manager

services framework

playstore

then reboot to recovery and clear both caches.

on clean install i do the following.

factory reset wipe

wipe/advanced/

system and both caches

install rom & gapps

reboot (if wifi doesn't lock on just reboot again)

sign into google.

reboot recovery and flash my zipme.zip with my apps (no data).

reboot again and everything is fine.

also i left smartass off default as i thought my new project was going to sort that for us. but its gone bonkers and messes up.

i will post a link to a flashable.zip that will make it default in a few minutes.

your the second person to mention this?? not sure

my eyes are hurting:-s been on it all afternoon trying to figure my new project out. Gggrrrrrrrhhhh. i left
[Kindle Fire Android Development] lovejoy777:
i wish i knew what the %u$k i was doing wrong.
[Kindle Fire Android Development] asjimene:
Sometimes it helps to take a break for a few hours... Your mind will work out the issues in the background.