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[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam General] Sleuth255:
hmmm... when I try that link I get "not available in this region". :(

edit: nevermind, bad link. I did a search and found it. You're right about the "expensive" part. :shock: MobilePlanet does have a good return policy though so I might just pick them up to test with. They have a 15 day no-questions-asked refund policy that does 75%-100% depending on the condition of the return.

Of course, my real dhilema here is this: do I wait for the TyTN ROM update and re-test or do I leap into new technology for the workaround. I really miss A2DP.

I have the same dhilema over flashing the new i-mate ROM. There's a new radio ROM in that RUU that may fix some flight mode issues I've encountered. Specifically, my TyTN occasionally loses its ability to connect via GPRS and the error message states that the phone is active. When I re-boot, the radio is off and I have to physically go into comm manager and turn on the phone.

Of course, if the god Murphy still is the most powerful diety, the day after I complete the i-mate reflash the TyTN ROM will come out (and it will be AKU 3.0) :roll:
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam General] pof:
Then... flash it today!! ;) :P :D
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam General] Sleuth255:
I should "take one for the team" eh?
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam General] efjay:
@Sleuth255, do you have any other registry tweaks installed? Tweaking the cache size, disabling animations etc? Also this may be strange but try loading the TyTN rom on the ftp as opposed to a hard reset. I found even though the only difference from the rom my TyTN shipped with appeared to be the extended rom version it seemed to work better.
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam General] Sleuth255:
I have the following cache tweaks active:

HKLM\System\StorageManager\FATFS\CacheSize=0x1000(4096)

HKLM\System\StorageManager\FATFS\EnableCache=0x1(1)

HKLM\System\StorageManager\Filters\fsreplxfilt\ReplStoreCacheSize=0x1000(4096)
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam General] cam05:
Has AKU 3.0 even been given to the manufactures yet?

Has MS said anything about improving the A2DP stack in AKU3.0?
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam General] Sleuth255:
@cam05:

here's a link to the AKU roadmap showing the features of the various AKUs ending with 3.0:

http://www.mobile-review.com/pda/articles/wm-aku-en.shtml

It has already been released on the iDO. Here's a link to a discussion on this:

http://www.ido-users.net/index.php?showtopic=13.

This will be a major new release that, among other enhancements, will improve A2DP and add more focus to M$'s Direct Push technology. Its logical to assume that the TyTN will be the first Hermes AKU 3.0 release since it won't need to go through additional operator testing and refinements. As such it will essentially be the version released by HTC at the OEM level. This may be a good or bad thing. The Qtek 9100 (Wizard) ROM was also one of the first official AKU 2 ROMS featuring the MSFP but it had several bugs (email vibrate notification in powersave mode didn't work) that were later identified by Operators and incorporated into subsequent AKUs not released for the Qtek 9100.
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam General] Sleuth255:
Here's one for Cingular TyTN users in the US:

The isp.cingular AP works just fine on my TyTN when using the Edge network. There have been several reports claiming that this access goes away when one switches to a 3G SIM. Of course, you can't ever access isp.cingular unless you have the PDA dataplan. wap.cingular is targeted as a smartphone dataplan and as such, has a shorter DHCP lease timeout. This can cause direct push to slow down dramatically.

Interestingly, when I initally upgraded my SIM, I too lost my access to isp.cingular. Yesterday, I contacted Cingular data support and found that my data plan had "magically" changed to the medianet smartphone plan. Nobody was sure how that happened.

As far as isp.cingular availability on the 3G networks goes, I haven't been able to test this. The next time I'll be on Cingular UMTS will be in early October so I'll double check then.

Also, on a very co-incidental note, the roaming indicator on my TyTN has now disappeared. This may be due to tower convergence in my area however...
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam General] gravejoker:
Sleuth255, questions are:

a. Does smartPhoneConnect let's you use isp.cingular.com whereas MediaNet doesnt?

b. What does canadian and international data mean on that plan?
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam General] Sleuth255:
Cingular's plans are a big mess. I asked my rep "What plan gets me isp.cingular" and he said "PDA connect with unlimited data at $39.99/mo. You're on the smartphone medianet plan now which is why you aren't seeing isp.cingular". I said "Will this PDA connect plan allow me to use either AP?" and he said "Yes" so I said "Fine, fire me up". Now both APs work and I can choose to use the medianet proxy if I'm going through wap.cingular.
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam General] goestoeleven:
Smartphone Connect is another name for Media Net

The only plans that get you access to ISP.CINGULAR are PDA Connect and the Laptop Connect plans.

You do lose two things with the PDA Connect plan, both of which are annoying:

- bundled SMS

- access to Cingular Video

Maybe the plans will change with 8525 is released (and thus there will finally be a Cingular-offered 3G PDA phone device)....
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam General] gravejoker:
But both of those are pretty costly compared to MediaNet (only 20$). Does Push email/Exchange ActiveSync email work well with MediaNet proxy?
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam General] goestoeleven:
my personal experience has been that the TyTN does better with ISP than WAP.

I had to jump through a lot of hoops to find exactly the right config with WAP that would behave well with my Exchange Server.

Also, the proxy settings can wreak havoc with both WiFi and with desktop passthru connections. You may have no trouble, but I generally prefer not to use a proxy.

So is it worth the extra $20 a month and have less functionality and no included SMS? Probably not...

I'm waiting for new plans around the 8525 before making any changes...
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam General] gravejoker:
goestoeleven

What does canadian and international data mean in the data connect plans?

- JoKer
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam General] goestoeleven:
Sorry, Joker, but I haven't a clue!
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam General] Sleuth255:
A2DP:

So I ordered the Nokia HS-12W stereo headset from mobileplanet today. I've been looking for a setup that does phone handsfree too so it was pretty much a no-brainer. Sometime next week, we'll have the answer to the TyTN A2DP skipping mystery.

The TyTN radio:

The radio on my TyTN isn't as good as the one on my 8125 was. However, I didn't really get excellent performance from my 8125 until I loaded up the 2.25 radio ROM. I'm now eyeing up the iMate ROM with renewed interest....
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam General] Sleuth255:
WOOHOO!!!!! Nokia HS-12W = Skip Free A2DP!

:D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D 8)

The title says it all.....

There you have it. Bluetooth headset hardware makes a huge, perhaps the only difference!

I'm jamming to Jimmy Buffett's "Last man Standing" as I write this. I've gone through 3 previous tracks without so much as a hiccough. Heck, my 8125 didn't do this good!

Now to test out the phone capabilities of this Nokia gizmo....

edit: after initial testing WOW!

So the HS-12W makes/receives calls and uses AVRCP to pause music while all this is going on. It registers Handsfree, headset and Wireless stereo profiles with my TyTN. To get A2DP to pair back up after you turn it on, just press the music button. No need to go into Bluetooth settings and do a refresh as with some headsets. Pull off the rubber fittings and fit the earbuds with the included foam inserts as the manual suggests for knock-you-out-of-your-chair bass.... Pressing the call button brings up the voice dial app although I couldn't get it to do this while music was playing. Incoming calls worked just fine though: I was automatically transferred to headset mode when the call came in. It doesn't look like caller-id was transferred to the headset display though.

I still have the problem where I lose my digitizer while TCPMP is running if I try to do too much else. The fix is to close all inactive apps, go into powersave mode then come back out of powersave mode.

Powersave is strange on a TyTN.... I've noticed that sometimes it won't pair up with my car handsfree unless I take it out of powersave mode. This only happens occasionally. Hopefully HTC will make improvements here when the next TyTN ROM is released...
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam General] efjay:
Sleuth255, good to hear you are enjoying the Nokia, I wont feel so alone with mine now :)

Re the caller id, Jetware is working on it - their latest test version has enabled phone book browsing with the V-3 BTH8 and they say they are still working on Nokia compatibility. So could be more good news coming.
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam General] dherrero:
Same herer. Nice device
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam General] Sleuth255:
Make sure you override the automatic DNS server setting and set yours to the following:

4.2.2.1

4.2.2.2

The DNS server setting is pretty well buried in your advanced connection properties for whatever connection you're using in My ISP.

Also, for better WiFi operation, in your network adapters properties, make sure you set the "My network card connects to:" option to "The Internet".

As far as the rest of the MediaNet "hoops" are concerned, they mostly revolve around deleting the proxy. However, the proxy speeds up browsing significantly so its useful to have. The solution is to set up two connections in MyISP, one which uses the proxy and one which doesn't. Then, when you are using an app such as VeriChat which won't work with the proxy, you manually change connections first. A PITA for sure...

Also, for direct push users, the WAP.CINGULAR AP available to MediaNet subscribers has a DHCP lease timeout that gets significantly shortened when the network is busy. When it gets shortened to under 7 minutes direct push slows down dramatically. This is because the default direct push heartbeat is 7 minutes and if your IP address is changing every 6 minutes, the connection has to get re-established by your TyTN during the 7 minute timeout. The effects of this are that emails can take as much as 7 minutes to appear, your battery life gets significantly shortened, and occasionally you won't even get an IP address; instead you'll see the dialog box "a valid IP address couldn't be obtained". On a TyTN, when this last condition occurs, email delivery will stop altogether until you recycle your phone radio by turning the phone off then on again in conn manager. Hopefully, with all the new radio ROMS being released for the Hermes, this issue will be resolved. In fact, I wouldn't be at all surprised if this and that pesky roaming triangle issue weren't the major reasons that explain why the Radio version on the new Cingular ROM is so much newer.

I'm looking forward to reports on this in the TyTN upgrading forum. Heck, if the TyTN ROM upgrade isn't released by Oct 1, I'm gonna go with the Cingular ROM.
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam General] Sleuth255:
hmm... some interesting car handsfree enhancements in their software. Are you using the Jetware client on your TyTN currently? Does the current version add any features to the HS-12W connection? Ultimately, in a perfiect world, I would like to see Caller ID and current song selection on the Nokia's display.
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam General] efjay:
The current beta release doesnt add anything for the Nokia but they have said they are working to make it compatible.
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam General] Sleuth255:
Tks. Jetware's on the watch list.... It would be nice if they came out with Nokia support right about the same time CorePlayer 1.0 comes out with AVRCP support.
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam General] cam05:
Sleuth dont get fussy over the caller ID and LCD! Your last headset probably did not even have an LCD :p

Damn happy to hear that this has worked out for you. No skipping, quality issues or connection problems deserves a big A+

Now I will proceed with the TyTn purchase :-)

Thanks again. Awesome thread!
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam General] Sleuth255:
I am really liking this headset! I'm listening to a 96k AAC+ Shoutcast stream running over the 4 bar Edge connection I generally get here at home (that must be a Cingular tower in my back yard) and its real smooth. Makes me yearn for UMTS coverage here 'cause then I could light up the 128K streams... This headset runs pretty much all day on a charge (which is about how long my TyTN goes when playing tunes too). The earbuds are incredibly comfortable, I can hardly tell they're in... I didn't like my Sennhausers because they hurt my ears over long periods, so I was a little leary about the HS-12W because of it, but my need for A2DP drove me on. Range is a bit limited though; I'm getting about 5-6 meters before it starts dropping out. The headset says its still connected, but the stream cuts in and out. Still, I'm certainly not complaining. This headset has really crisp highs and bass you can feel. A bit brighter than my HPs which had a real nice overall sound balance. I'm running my bitpool at 58 now too with no issues.
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam General] Sleuth255:
To Summerize the A2DP solution for the original TyTN ROM then:

I know of 2 A2DP headsets that work w/o skipping:

Itech S35 Clip (many posters claiming skip-free operation)

Nokia HS-12W (tested personally)

The following reghacks need to be applied:

[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Drivers\Builtin\Wavedev]

"Priority256"=dword:00000080 (128)

[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\Microsoft\Bluetooth\A2DP\Settings]

"UseJointStereo"=dword:00000000 (0)

"BitPool"=dword:0000003a ( 58 )

"MaxSupportedBitPool"=dword:00000050 (80)

"MinSupportedBitPool"=dword:0000000e (14)

[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Drivers\Builtin\BtA2dpSnd]

"Priority256"=dword:0000003c (60)

(thanks to efjay for hammering out the priority and bitpool settings :D)

If you are experiencing skip-free A2DP on your TyTN and your headset is different from one of the two listed above, plz post!
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam General] pof:
Sleuth255, would be great if you (or someone else) can write a wiki page with this information... bluetooth problems and solutions found, etc... I haven't done it myself as I don't have any headsets and i'm not really following all the BT threads.
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam General] Sleuth255:
I'm on it. I'll do a writeup on Oct 1.... unless the new TyTN rom comes out first, then all bets are off... :twisted:
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam General] Sleuth255:
Ok, so I've just flashed the latest Cingular AKU 2.6 ROM! My first suggestions on doing this yourself is:

TyTN battery at 100%

ScreenSaver on your PC disabled

All non essential apps closed

Having your PC hooked up to a UPS is a nice touch too because...

The RUU says it'll take 25 minutes and it means it! Mine took 23 minutes

Be Patient

(did I mention be Patient?)

Anyway, I've got direct push back up and running and am testing it out...

Ok, direct push checks out fine. No issues. Vibrate notification in powersave mode is fine.

I've installed TCPMP and there appears to be no major A2DP changes.

My HP headset still skips although it doesn't seem to be quite as bad. Powersave mode still stops the stream :( However, the ROM is snappier than the original TyTN ROM so the effect of everything slowing down to a crawl is much less pronounced now.
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam General] Sleuth255:
Well, everything's re-installed. So far, there's not much different from the stock HTC rom except that the voice call button is inoperative and the left side Talk button is hardcoded to PTTServiceNotYet.dll. This last "feature" is a PITA since I launch voicedial often to make phone calls using this button. I may just write my own little version of this dll that will simply call the standard voice dial app, the theory being that if I overwrite the ROM version then I'll get the hooked button press, or maybe this dll does the hooking at startup and just overwriting with a dll that does nothing will free up the button for remapping again.

things seem a bit snappier but this might be wishful thinking on my part. There's no ATI Imageon fixes but I wasn't expecting this as the problem seems to be TCPMP oriented.

WMP still won't stream AAC files to the headset btw. This one's a bit surprising since one of the only known differences in AKU2.6 was supposed to be WMP related...

Return from powersave still places the screen in portrait mode...

So bottom line: no reason to upgrade to this from the stock rom that I can see yet.
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam General] Sleuth255:
Good News

That pesky multiple low battery warning issue caused by the battery initially spiking to 100% before dropping back down the actual level after returning from powersave appears to be fixed. The battery level still spikes, but the low batt warning tone isn't repeated nor is the low batt dialog displayed when the level drops back down. Instead the low battery icon is displayed and the left softkey changes to "notification". Pressing it brings up the low battery notification dialog.

The TCPMP audio stutter issue appears to be fixed as well. I can't make the stutter happen now. Streaming WiFi shoutcast works great too. I'll check tomorrow to see if the issue with A2DP & WiFi is also fixed (left my Nokia headset at work :roll:). That would make this a worthwhile upgrade IMO...

Bad News

This AKU2.6 Cingular ROM also updates the bootloader from 1.04 to 1.06 so downgrades aren't possible once you go here.
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam General] emilem:
any chances t-mobile will import their european mda vario II into the states anytime soon ?
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam General] warmkiwi99:
Hi Sleuth

what's the trick for Shoutcast. I can't get it to play....
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam General] Sleuth255:
I use TCPMP to play shoutcast streams. When you click the "play me" button for your desired stream on the shoutcast website, a file called "shoutcast.pls" gets downloaded. Make sure you associate .pls files with TCPMP and it pops right up. I use GSFinder+ for file association edits.

edit:

I found out today that you can do this in TCPMP. .pls files can be associated in the "File Associations" options page... (who'd have guessed it eh???). I would imagine that this is set by default since the shoutcast.pls file appears to be a playlist containing one entry in TCPMP.
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam General] warmkiwi99:
thanks - will give it a go....
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam General] Sleuth255:
Well, streaming ShoutCast through a WiFi connection and out to an A2DP bluetooth connection is still a no go. Low bitrate streams break up less than high bitrate streams though. Talk radio 16K streams are usable. To be honest, I never checked to see if these worked using the original ROM either though.
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam General] Sleuth255:
For Cingular US TyTN owners:

Here's another "bug" that the v1.31 8525 ROM fixes: No more roaming triangle!

It's been 3 days now and I should've seen the triangle quite a few times, but its gone now :D
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam General] Sleuth255:
Well, tomorrow I board a plane for Washington DC and for the first time I should be lighting up UMTS on my TyTN. So much to test, so little time! I need to see how battery life is on the 3G network, test download speeds and verify the "burst" issue that people have reported using wap.cingular but which seems to go away when using isp.cingular. I'm also interested to see if communicator mobile will permit VoIP connectivity over 3G as it does with WiFi.

Also, here's the latest in my efforts to reactivate the usless PTT key in the Cingular ROM.

Using an undocumented coredll.dll export called "UnregisterFunc1" in combination with the more well known RegisterHotKey function, I've succeeded in taking over control over every key but PTT, the video call button and the windows button. Damn. Back to the drawing board. At least I now know how Water did smartskey....

I've got one more trick up my sleeve though: SetWindowsHookEx. This little gem was recently added to WM5 for the purposes of hooking the keyboard/physical buttons to intercept their scan codes. I'm guessing the above buttons will register here. Interestingly, SetWindowsHookEx can only be done by a single WM5 process; all other attempts will return an error. So, if I do succeed I'll be sure to activate the PTT service then re-try my test to see if this is the method that Cingular employs too (my program should fail to hook the keyboard if the service is active). There do seem to be some security hurdles to overcome though... I might need a signed app to activate this too.
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam General] gravejoker:
What's communicator mobile? Let me know your 3G exp in the DC area. I am in the DC area too and would love to know more about it.
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam General] Sleuth255:
Here's a shot of my today screen. Communicator mobile is right above email and right below my (stolen from Treo700W) google search bar.

Communicator Mobile is part of Microsoft Live Communications Server. There's a PC counterpart called Office Communicator that looks identical. It's tied into my outlook calendar on my TyTN so it automatically sets my presence to "in a meeting" etc based on my calendar.

LCS is essentially an IM system that transports over TLS and uses the SIP protocol. Both the PPC and PC clients encompass VoIP so you can elevate your "presence" to voice capability when using them over a high speed network.

The PC version also has video call capabilities (although its gen1 stuff with lousy compression codecs). The news here is that M$ is totally updating this system when they roll out Office Communicator 2K7 with a more advanced WM5 client to coincide with CrossBow. M$ plans to enable the TyTN's front facing camera with their new app too! I'm hoping they'll be all over this during MEDC 2K7...
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam General] goestoeleven:
just curious, but what are the rightmost two tabs in PocketPlus?
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam General] Sleuth255:
Spb Time and Spb Backup.
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam General] Sleuth255:
Ok, so here I sit at the gate in Chicago O'hare with an extra hour of tiime on my hands due to weather. That's the bad news. The good news is I've got a UMTS signal!:D :D :D

Dslreports shows 750KB v.s 100 that I normally get on GPRS.

Also, my entire TyTN seems to be running faster now.... Could the radio rom be taking extra processor cycles when it's running on the GSM bands??

Speaking of GSM, FieldTest reports that the GSM band is completely dead. My phone is now a CDMA device. Very cool technology here.

I'm not seeing any delays running through isp.cingular either. I'll switch over to wap.cingular in a few to test throughput there too.

btw: Cingular's ROM shows a big "U", not a "3G". The 3G bitmap must be a part of European operator customizations.

streaming audio is next......

(I feel like a kid in a candystore now)
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam General] SteinyD:
I feel the same! I'm in London this week just after receiving my Tytn. 20 miles outside of NYC, I am unable to get UMTS service. Here in London, you don't get anything BUT UMTS service! Not to mention, I picked up the Linksys Traveling Router and have my hotel room setup with wireless connectivity! This device also rocks in WLAN mode! I'm loving it!
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam General] d.cortez:
Sleuth...do you use the Bluetooth icon to turn Bluetooth off/on? care to share details on this feature? thanks!
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam General] Sleuth255:
yep. that's bticontray and tapping there get's me directly to bt settings. when bt is off, the icon has a red slash through it. its a ppc2k3 app and throws an unsupported os warning during installation, but it works just fine.