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[HTC One Max] hypoxify:
I can't root/unlock bootloader without rumrunner, right? Here's the error I get:

!! Do NOT for any reason taunt, unplug, drop, eat or pet your device !! Please wait..............
Checking for updates......
Test 1: Rebooting into bootloader
Waiting for fastboot (7/120)
Waiting
Test 2: Booting device
Waiting for ADB (37/120)
must ferment longer...
must sanitize, skunky rum is nasty
hold please.............................................................
[------------------------------------------------------------]
Rebooting into bootloader (again)
Waiting for fastboot (7/120)
Waiting for ADB (38/120)
must ferment longer...
chilling..................
bottles are packed, here we go, shhhhhh....
Waiting for device
rom or root issue? unexpected behaviour detected - flash different rom and try
gain.
ERROR: run rumrunner again.....
Press ENTER to exit

I haven't EVER seen this before, I've disabled all firewalls, rebooted twice, checked online, tried again over and over.I cannot find my error online!! WHAT is the problem here? I'm only doing this to MOUNT a hard drive on my phone! Thanks in advance!!
[HTC One Max] jerrycycle:
I could be wrong being how long ago I use that utility but I think you didn't wait long enough for it to finish.
[HTC One Max] hypoxify:
I dunno. I waited with my phone plugged in until it said that.
[HTC One Max] ktimque:
Are you using the universal one?

Try running the specific rumrunner for your variant.
[HTC One Max] hypoxify:
I'm running the specific HTC one max version for verizon. No one else has this problem, it seems.
[HTC One Max] saltybull:
Same HTC One Max Verizon with the exact same error with rumrunner. Anyone?????
[HTC One Max] neodiver:
I had 2 days of issues when I first used Rumrunner to S-off my Sprint One Max. I must have run it about 30 times and each time I got similar errors. Ultimately it came down to connection issues. Rumrunner is a finicky program, you MUST ensure a 100% uninterrupted connection with your PC. This means completely disabling all antivirus and firewall programs and ANY program that requires attention from your PC during the 20min or so that Rumrunner needs to do its work. In my case it was Avast antivirus that refused to disable, no matter what I did. So I had to carefully (and completely) uninstall Avast. Once I did this, Rumrunner ran like a dream... 1st shot! When it completed, I reinstalled Avast and all was right with the world!

Good Luck guys, hope this helps you out! ;)
[HTC One Max] hypoxify:
Did you ever get the error I got? I'll try disabling EVERYTHING, but I can never tell when all is gone. Nice profile picture.
[HTC One Max] neodiver:
Thanks lol. I don't recall if I got your exact specific error message, It was back in January when I S-offed my One Max. I had several very similar. I ran into the same problem you had with not finding any help with a solution. I just had to keep working at it. Tried a WinXP box first... Wouldn't work no matter what I did. It was finally on Win7 64 that I was able to make it happen, after many more tries. FYI I woulda bet the bank nothing was running. Antivirus very sneaky, doesn't like to be disabled, so it kept re-enabling behind the scene. Finally by thoroughly uninstalling I was able to get it to work.

What version of hboot is your One Max running? Rumrunner doesn't play nice with hboot 2.47. You would need to run the Firewater S-off program if this is the case. I haven't used it as my One Max runs hboot 2.46 but my understanding is that it works very well. Maybe give it a shot? :confused:
[HTC One Max] ScottyRay76:
same here

Hey did u ever have any luck with this...I get same error same script...I feel I'm close and yes this crap is old but its a challenge...all I lack it s-off..I'm root super cid and it will flash but all I have put on it is twrp and it works well...please let me know if u remember..lol...
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshootin] JT1510365:
Hello guys I have a NB1 bootloader S4 Running AT&T firmware. The model number is SGH-i337 I am rooted and i have safestrap installed. I still have the stock recovery built into the phone which i can still get into with any method. My question is that I want to install pac rom that runs android 4.4.2 kitkat firmware. Is it possible? I really want this rom bad and anyone who helps me would be greatly appreciated. Right now I am running carHD rom. My phone still works like brand new. I am a big fan of the pac rom and i just got the s4 2 months ago, am i too late to install it?

Peace, Jon
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshootin] jmjoyas:
We cannot install any firmware that isn't compatible with our kernel. That means only touchwiz based ones will work.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshootin] JT1510365:
will we be able too soon when someone creates a method?
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshootin] jd1639:
It's any ones guess if and when that would happen.

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[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshootin] 4ndroid99:
Only when the bootloader gets unlocked, and it won't be anytime soon.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 5] Alarand:
So basically I'll be trying this out tomorrow.

Getting Samsung to put a t-mobile rom on my ATT S5 (and maybe even unlock a bootloader in the process?)

This rep is either wholly confused or a nice guy :good: haha anyway,

some hope is better than none.

Chat transcript:

"info: Please wait for a Samsung Agent to respond.

info: You are now chatting with 'Marlin'. There will be a brief survey at the end of our chat to share feedback on my performance today.

info: Your Issue ID for this chat is (redacted fools)

Marlin: Hi, thank you for contacting Samsung Technical Support. How may I help you today?

Visitor: Hey I'm just wondering why the att and verizon galaxy s5 is denied root access while all other variants we're allowed it?

Visitor: Most of what I use my phone for requires root access and now I'm stuck with this ATT paperweight

Visitor: were*

Marlin: I understand that you want to root your device. Correct?

Visitor: I'd prefer to use a stock google rom

Visitor: but seen as that isn't possible

Visitor: yes

Marlin: Thank you for confirming.

Marlin: Samsung does not recommend rooting the device as it affects the device performance and also void the warranty.

Visitor: But they supported it for the other variants

Visitor: just not att and verizon

Visitor: Samsung specifically blocked root on ATT and Verizon and did not implement that block on any other variant

Visitor: If I had a t-mobile S5 I wouldn't be talking to you right now

Marlin: I am sorry; the features and security settings on the device are carrier specific. The devices are manufactured depending on the carrier requirements.

Marlin: The features on the device would vary from carrier to carrier.

Visitor: But having root access is hardly a feature of the phone

Visitor: What you're saying is Verizon and ATT specifically requested that their variants of the S5 were not allowed to have root access

Marlin: Yes, on few devices the bootloader is locked from the carrier.

Visitor: So lets say I change my carrier to t-mobile but still have this ATT firmware

Visitor: would samsung be able to put a tmobile firmware on my phone for use with the tmobile specific apps

Visitor: an official one

Visitor: without root etc

Marlin: Yes, you are correct. Even if you change the carrier to T-mobile, the device would have ATT firmware as the device is initially released from ATT.

Marlin:

If you change the carrier, the bootloader on the device will be unlocked.

(Uhhhhhhwhat?)

Visitor: My phone is SIM-unlocked. I have used my sisters tmobile sim card in this phone (lie lol)

Visitor: it certainly didnt change anything to do with the bootloader

Visitor: Lets say I go to a samsung care place in best buy would they be able to put the official tmobile firmware on my phone

Marlin: Yes, you can get the firmware changed at Samsung experience shop at best buy.

Visitor: Thank you very much."
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 5] karmuh:
Either way, it really doesn't change anything. Even if they flashed a new ROM/modem (which I doubt they would do anyway) what would be the purpose? You might as well just swap it for the T-mobile model then, since it would be the exact same thing.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 5] scott14719:
Negative. Bestbuy's Samsung Kiosk does not have the ability to change the bootloader of the device. The locked bootloader is tied to the hardware itself (Qfuse) and not just a firmware based lock, so unless they plan on changing the motherboard...
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 5] Alarand:
It's their device if anyone could unlock the bootloader I'd put my money on samsung

edit- The built in hardware restrictions that prevent exploits may not apply given they're not using at all the same tools as the public to modify the phone.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 5] djmouse:
I kinda disagree with that, because I had s4 the official release, with MDL firmware, rooted and kept that bootloader and was able to flash any roms I wanted even international roms and would flash appropriate kernels and add att apns, if I would have taken the OTA MF3, firmware my bootloader would have been locked, and I know threw Odin you can flash bootloaders, so I've been wondering if anyone has tried to take the official tmobile .tar file and use Odin to flash it on an att phone, if that worked and could root all you would have to do is flash att modem and add att apn, but I would figure someone has tried this?maybe I'm totally wrong but seems logical.

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And it can't be hardware Samsung sends phones to carriers they then lock them down and add there bloat.they don't change motherboards

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[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 5] scott14719:
You can disagree all day, but it's still not possible. MDL firmware used an exploit (LOKI) to bypass the chain of trust. In no way was the bootloader unlocked or exchanged. If you look at my signature, you will see that is what I have now. The only way it was possible was via exploit, which was patched in the MF3 firmware update and beyond. As of now, another exploit like LOKI has not been found ( and may not exist).

ODIN can not flash firmware on phones with bootloaders that have been blown Q-fuses...the count can only implement up.

There has been extensive research and testing done about all of this already. Extremely talented Developers have tried every way known (as of yet) to exchange firmwares on different branded phones with locked bootloaders with the firmware of phones that have unlocked bootloader. A good example is the work put into trying to put the GE edition firmware (and unlocked bootloader) onto the AT&T and Verizon S4s...it just couldn't happen.

Please take some time to review the various bootloader threads about the locked bootloaders on the S3s, S4s, etc... Adam Outler has some interesting and technical threads with a lot of information.

Maybe something will be found in the future, but it hasn't been found yet, and Bestbuys definitely doesn't have it.

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I'm fully aware of the tools they use and they cannot unlock bootloaders.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 5] Russ77:
you're linking two affirmative answers to two different questions.

yes, if you switched carriers to t mobile you could get a device with an unlocked boot loader.

yes, you can probably get best buy to flash t mobile firmware to your phone. odds are you could do it yourself.

the two are not the same...
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 5] djmouse:
I've read alot of Adams threads but not much on the s5, what has been attempted and what has not, is there a thread on that? And so your saying it's impossible to put the tmobile firmware on an att phone threw Odin or stock recovery?

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Or trying when running ART when phone is in custom st a t us?

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[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 5] Alarand:
I believe people have tried it using odin which is why I wanted to get samsung to do it so if they brick my phone in the process they're liable
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 5] scott14719:
Q-fuses are on the S5 too, just look at the aboot.

T-mobile firmware cannot be put on an AT&T phone (S4 /S5) with a locked Bootloader with the exception of LOKI (MDL) because the T-Mobile Kernel cannot be flashed to the phone. Not even Safestrap (again S4) can flash kernels. It has been rumored for a long time now that Hashcode has been working on a form of Kexec for the AT&T Samsung phones, but it hasn't happened yet.

The S5s have just come out, but the tech Samsung uses to lock the bootloaders hasn't changed much...and it is working well.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 5] djmouse:
Well please keep us posted on what happens, try to take mental notes on what they try if you can , I'm curious how they will go about It if they even do, I still have a hard time beliving Samsung at best buy would even attempt such a thing, they barley could answer simple questions I've had.

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[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 5] djmouse:
View attachment 2718811View attachment 2718813 idk there's not much difference in the firmware and SE security

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[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 5] Alarand:
Yeah I doubt they will either honestly but I'm frustrated enough to waste a drive to that blue shirted hell hole
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 5] omgbossis21:
Is their a development thread for this phone, im familiar with other qualcom devices and even some on the qfuses.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 5] Schultz_91:
I work at the SES in Best Buy, and I can tell you there is nothing we can do. The things we use are the same that you all have access to. I don't even think we could flash a different carrier's firmware if we wanted to, it'll brick the device.. Definitely cannot unlock the bootloader, as stated above by others.

And to be honest OP, I wouldn't go around trying to get them to flash a different firmware if I were you. Just trying to save you some headache here. Because if they do brick the device, it'll be a hassle.

If the employee was trained properly, then they won't even attempt to flash a different carrier's firmware.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 5] Alarand:
Fair enough thanks for clarifying, the samsung support employees do seem hopelessly inept.

It's not really surprising as much as it is disappointing but yeah one less wasted drive
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 5] djmouse:
There is a development thread for this phone, but since there is no root or exploit yet there are no posts in the development thread yet, if you check t mobiles forum there are development threads with posts, and roms and such.

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[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 5] speckledpig:
Nice try though!
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 5] cstayton:
well unfortunately thats not how it works, the MBL is flashable via odin (or any other device mfg for that matter), in fact if you download any of the samsung official firmwares out there you will see that most (Not all but most) will include a MBL file as well as the system, cache, CSC and other partitions.

Boot Loaders are flashable and do not require system board replacements, if they did no device made would ever (and I meen EVER) have the bootloader unlocked by ANY exploit or other means.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 5] scott14719:
Give it a try and find out. I guess you think all of the work already done towards this (and there has been a lot) is all wrong? I tell you what, get an S4 with MK2 firmware on it and try to flash MDL onto it or even T-mobile firmware onto it via ODIN and then make sure you come back and report how wrong I am.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 5] cstayton:
First I'm not talking about flashing other carriers firmware on AT&T, what I'm saying is that if what you are saying is true then we would not be able to unlock bootloaders (many Samsung devices have had bootloaders unlocked) as well as HTC providing a meens to unlock theirs along with LG, Sony etc etc.

Yes the bootloader is locked on our device (as well as many others) that does not meen it can't be flashed by official methods, (hence the Samsung certs required for Odin) it is no different than BIOS on PC's

I have been in The mobile development world and PC/Server development world as a professional for nearly two decades, I am well aware of the methods and utilities for applying and flashing Boot loaders to nearly any device made some require the use of a jtag in order to do so others only require the device mfg specific method to apply new updated bootloaders.

For instance when the S4 went from having Android 4.2.2 and was updated to 4.4 (my wifes was updated recently) the bootloader was also updated in order to be compatible with the 4.4 kitkat OS.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 5] scott14719:
What is theoretically possible and what is realistically possible is 2 different things. If the community had Samsung's certs or signing keys, this thread and many others like it would not exist. As of now, (outside of a small department in Samsung), it can not be done.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 5] cstayton:
I absolutely agree with you.

What we need is for someone to leak those certs to us, we may not be able to unlock the bootloader but we could sign custom roms and make odin think they where official :good::good:
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 5] Kael ruch:
I believe people have tried it using odin which is why I wanted to get samsung to do it so if they brick my phone in the process they're liable
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 5] cstayton:
T-Mobile Firmware on AT&T S5

Ok, so here's the deal (I just confirmed this with Samsung Support)

Theoretically you cloud flash the T-Mobile firmware on the AT&T S5 however, there are gotchas involved. I am listing drawbacks below:

1. Neither the AT&T nor the T-Mobile firmware packages contain the MBL (this is the first official release with no MBL changes)

2. Both T-Mobile and AT&T S5 devices are identical with the following exceptions

a) LTE Radio frequencies are at a higher rate on T-Mobile vs AT&T (T-Mobile does also support the AT&T frequency ranges as well)

b) T-Mobile RIL (Radio Interface Layer) is by design different and may not work as expected on AT&T devices

meaning that you may not have LTE reception or may have reduced signal strength and reception quality.

c) T-Mobile branded software most likely will not function or will function at reduced capabilities on the AT&T S5

I also asked about the ability to unlock and root the device once the T-Mobile firmware was installed and the response was (as expected)

"Samsung provides these handsets with certain specifications being retained at the request of the specific carrier, T-Mobile does not require locked MBL where AT&T does. We do not provide nor support 3rd party unlock or root applications on any of our devices regardless of carrier

specifications.

So, in a nutshell even if you do get T-Mobile firmware on your AT&T S5 you arent any further ahead as you still have the AT&T MBL which is locked and you stand a extremely high chancce of irrevocably damaging your device and voiding any warranty in the process.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 5] Alarand:
Wouldn't the bootloader lock prevent the rom from being flashed in the first place? I figured they would have thought about this and just snook in an unlock as a way to switch the firmwares without hassle.

Clearly I'm new here, I read up on the azimuth posts and everything although my grasp of it is bad at best, the entire reason I joined here was cause the S4 was locked

The thing that got me was what the rep said- when you change the carrier the bootloader on the device will unlock. His English really wasn't all that poor and it seems like a very strange way to word "if you buy an s5 not from att/verizon it will be unlocked"

Maybe there wasn't an MBL file cause the verification system is based on some carrier implemented system, seen as all s5s contain the knox system, but only specific carriers use it.

Would this not also mean that if you were to flash a tmobile device with the ATT rom it would not lock the bootloader? Definitely not to be tried but I have a feeling it somehow would.

edit- Also, if it were the samsung help desk that flashed the rom I don't see how this would void your warranty considering none of it is at all third party.

It's quite pathetic this smokescreen they put up, without even really mentioning the lock/unlock status.

They should really sell this variant as the S5 Fascism revival model. :/
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 5] cstayton:
as long as the firmware file has the samsung signatures technically it should flash, however I for one am not willing to risk that
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 5] scott14719:
This is correct. ODIN will not flash another carriers Firmware (bootloader included) onto an AT&T S4 / S5 with a locked bootloader regardless if it is official or not. The bootloader that is currently on the locked AT&T phone performs a system of checks that will cause ODIN to "fail" every time. The only way to do so would be to pull the bootloader file(s) and modify them so the current bootloader will except the new firmware and the only way to do so (as of now) would be to re-sign the file with Samsung's encrypted signature key (which we do not have). Any attempt to modify the bootloader will break the signature and the chain of trust. As I have already mentioned, (again, as of now) the only way to do so would be to switch the motherboards. If you were going to do that, it would be simpler and smarter just to get a T-Mobile S5.

If anyone does not believe what I am saying,, I invite you to try flashing T-mobiles firmware onto you new and expensive AT&T S5 and see how it goes. At best, ODIN will just give a fail message, at worst, you will end up with a soft brick and potentially a really expensive paperweight. But if that's what it takes, go for it.

I will also caution everyone to remember Samsung's reps often know as little as AT&T's reps.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 5] galaxy s4 nutjob:
If you kept your at&t device but swapped firmware would you get back dl booster?
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 5] djmouse:
OK , so the firmware on Samsung site doesn't include the MBL file (witch is I'm guessing is the bootloader), but the file must exist on the tmobile phone it self?, I have access to a tmobile s5, as of now it's not rooted, but say I were to root that phone and use a root explorer could I extract the MBL file and flash that threw odin? Maybe that is why the file is not in the official firmware,and the carrier modifies the file to be locked or not because the only main differences in the firmware seems to be that, from the info I just read, minus the radio witch you can always flash a att modem on a tmobile firmware, so what I'm getting at is trying to get the unlocked bootloader off a physical tmobile s5, witch would be signed by Samsung and flash just that bootloader to my att s5 via odin or factory recovery?

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[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 5] dan122686:
Okay I work at the Samsung Experience Store and we will not touch rooted phones, help you with your rooting 'experience' nor help you extract the coerect firmware when you brick your phone trying to flash a different firmware on a locked bootloader. We do not assist in unlocking either. People think they can just come into our shops after they've frankensteined their devices and expect us to fix it for them. Well that is not the way it works or the way it will ever work. And if you just called Samsungs general consumer troubleshooting phone number they are clearly mistaken and aren't trained on such. People please don't try this at home and expect us to fix it because I will assure you that when your phone is a paperweight we will not fix it with our Samsung magic wands.