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[Galaxy Tab Pro 12.2, 10.1, 8.4 General] metaleloi666:
I bought my TabPro 8.4 in the last week of June in Canada from Staples, was on sale at $350, then I had a $50 coupon, so I paid $300. Very good for Canada, as all is always more expensive around here. However, I'm back from a 2-week vacation in NJ and NY states and I've checked various stores during my stay (BestBuy, Staples, Walmart...) and close to none had the TabPros in stock or in display (but some had the "S").

Is the Pro series still produced or has it already been discontinued in order to make place for the "S" series? When was the Pro series launched? Could it already been the end for it? Thay would be very sad as it's a great tablet. Too bad rooting kills the warranty because otherwise it would be close to perfect. Still, using the Nova launcher, it's pretty good, but it would run smoother if rooted I'm sure.

I'm now selling my Nexus 7 2013 32 GB as I really like the bigger screen of the TabPro 8.4 and even more the microSD slot...
[Galaxy Tab Pro 12.2, 10.1, 8.4 General] rholm:
Use towel root, it doesn't trip Knox. Your warrenty will still be intact. Just don't install a custom recovery.

Cheers,

Rich
[Galaxy Tab Pro 12.2, 10.1, 8.4 General] metaleloi666:
Could you tell me more about Towel Root? I'm very interested in having a rooted TabPro with the stock rom using Nova Launcher, as I did with my Nexus 7.
[Galaxy Tab Pro 12.2, 10.1, 8.4 General] rholm:
Just google towel root. I have exactly that setup.

Cheers,

Rich
[Galaxy Tab Pro 12.2, 10.1, 8.4 General] metaleloi666:
I have already proceeded and it worked.

Now, how can I check if the Knox flag is still at 0x0 ?

Thanks.
[Galaxy Tab Pro 12.2, 10.1, 8.4 General] rholm:
Reboot into download mode. It is displayed in the screen.

Cheers,

Rich
[Galaxy Tab Pro 12.2, 10.1, 8.4 General] metaleloi666:
Thanks! Will check this tonight.
[Galaxy Tab Pro 12.2, 10.1, 8.4 General] jonyrace:
bestbuy.com

Price dropped last night again to 279.99 then it went back up this morning to 329.99. ???

Tried to check my local store, but they didn't have any on display. Forgot to have them price check there. Called after I left but all you get is a call center.

Seems like $250 may be gone forever but really want to take advantage at $279.99

I'm in Socal if anyone knows anything or has any suggestions.
[Galaxy Tab Pro 12.2, 10.1, 8.4 General] Buckster76:
£219 in UK - £100 less than the 8.4 S

I'm in a real dilemma

would love the screen of the S - but on gsmarena the Pro seems to measure better on its Audio (in particular headphone out) and Speaker output

I'm guessing it uses the same Qual DAC that goes along with the Snapdragon 800 - as that combo on my Note 3 sounds sublime for audio

I think its the Pro - and forgo a bit on the screen
[Galaxy Tab Pro 12.2, 10.1, 8.4 General] FishDoc:
Good decision!! I had the S but took it back when the pro dropped to 279. The S screen is definitely better IMHO but not for $120, The pro seems to do everything the S did and maybe a bit faster.
[Galaxy Tab Pro 12.2, 10.1, 8.4 General] brizey:
Amazon copied the price, too. So tempted. Was going to wait on the nexus, but not sure I'm keen on the 4:3 ratio. Plus sd card. Concern here is development. Spoiled by my 2012 N7 that still has a ton of development despite being two years old.
[Galaxy Tab Pro 12.2, 10.1, 8.4 General] jonyrace:
Local Best Buy was out of stock on both colors...

Went ahead and grabbed the Pro for $279.99 at Amazon. :good:

Can't wait to receive it later today.
[Galaxy Tab Pro 12.2, 10.1, 8.4 General] xdm9mm:
I want to buy 2 more for my children, I missed it again for the second time... my luck!
[Galaxy Tab Pro 12.2, 10.1, 8.4 General] BoulderGeek:
Groupon had the 8.4 for $249, last week. Might be a few floating around.

I bought the 10.1 Pro for $299 to replace my GT7510, now four years old.
[Galaxy Tab Pro 12.2, 10.1, 8.4 General] metaleloi666:
So, it looks like sadly Samsung has dropped the ball for the 8.4 TabPro to only sell the 8.4 S, which is a shame, as it has been released only 7-8 months ago?

In the local ads here, I can still see the 10.1 TabPro advertised at BestBuy and Future Shop, but nothing about the TabPro 8.4. It's just the 8.4 S.... The TabPro 8.4 is not there anymore.
[Galaxy Tab Pro 12.2, 10.1, 8.4 General] mscion:
Last night I saw a 10.1 TabPro for sale at Staples (In Gaithersburg MD). There was a Tab 8.4 S on display there too. When I checked it out I was not more impressed with its performance than my TabPro 8.4, if not less (of course it helps to have a rooted and debloated device!) . And at $399 a shot, not worth it for me.
[Galaxy Tab Pro 12.2, 10.1, 8.4 General] _dsouza_:
Considering we can run CyanogenMod on the TabPro 8.4 (and not in the Tab S for now), I think the TabPro is still an excellent buy.
[Galaxy Tab Pro 12.2, 10.1, 8.4 General] HKSpeed:
Amazon has it right now (8/20, 1:12pm PST) for $307
[Galaxy Tab Pro 12.2, 10.1, 8.4 General] the Doctor:
With an Exynos chipset, I don't see the S ever having a fully functional and supported AOSP ROM. Speaking from experience (S3, S4). The Pro is a better deal if you don't mind LCD over AMOLED.
[Galaxy Tab Pro 12.2, 10.1, 8.4 General] _dsouza_:
Correct. However notice that the Tab S 8.4 LTE has the same SoC as the Pro (Snapdragon 800) so this model has a better chance to get an AOSP ROM.
[Galaxy Tab Pro 12.2, 10.1, 8.4 General] pinsb:
You need to be careful saying this, there's two flavours of the LTE version.

A US Snapdragon and a EU Exynos, it's because the Exynos chipset supports the European LTE frequencies but not the US ones, thus they had to produce a Snapdragon one for the US carriers.
[Galaxy Tab Pro 12.2, 10.1, 8.4 General] Note10.1Dude:
Best Buy has it for $250. Refurbished models are going for $200 at Rakuten.
[Galaxy Tab Pro 12.2, 10.1, 8.4 General] Note10.1Dude:
I noticed refurb. 10.1 this morning on techbargains. I just got a refurbished 8.4. I could not tell that it wasn't new. I found one dead (black) pixel, but at 400 dpi, any dust on the screen is darker than the single black micro-dot on a white screen.
[Galaxy Tab Pro 12.2, 10.1, 8.4 General] SPreston2001:
I know this is kinda late but Best Buy now has them online for $199 for the pre Black Friday promo... Just brought one for my mother for Xmas! They are selling like HOT CAKES!!! :good:
[Galaxy Tab Pro 12.2, 10.1, 8.4 General] ljv:
I finally broke down and bought another one last night for $249 cause I thought that was a good price. Funny it dropped to $199 today. I promptly got my difference refund :)
[Galaxy Tab Pro 12.2, 10.1, 8.4 General] GTT1:
Me to bought mine on Nov 7th got $50.00 back and bought a second one to use as a gift.

Should be no problem ordering one for store pickup. Naples store had 50 units this a.m.
[Galaxy Tab Pro 12.2, 10.1, 8.4 General] SPreston2001:
Yeah I was actually planning on going out to Best Buy on Black Friday to grab it for the $199 price but when I saw it online for the same price I jumped on it so I could avoid the Black Friday chaos!! $199 is a great price for this premium tablet!
[Galaxy Tab Pro 12.2, 10.1, 8.4 General] nightf0x:
Just got one today from Best Buy for 199. After playing with it for an hour, it's great and the screen is gorgeous.
[Galaxy Tab Pro 12.2, 10.1, 8.4 General] mingkee:
If you live in Brooklyn area, check out BB at Atlantic Terminal (B,D,N,Q,R) as the store carries white T320.
[Galaxy Tab Pro 12.2, 10.1, 8.4 General] Dark_Vortex:
Your story echoes mine. I saw Best Buy had the Tab Pro 8.4 on their web site for $249.99 last week and almost got one, but then read in this forum that it was going to go on sale Black Friday for $199.99. That was Thursday and for the rest of the weekend I fought between trying to get out Black Friday to secure one or just bite the bullet and pay the extra $50.00.

I forced myself to wait till Sunday morning to see what the new sales flyer would bring. When BB's site showed them going for the Black Friday price I bought one with no hesitation! I've been wanting one ever since the product announcement and I learned that it was going to sport 2560x1600 resolution with a 359 PPI. I can't wait to receive it!
[Galaxy Tab Pro 12.2, 10.1, 8.4 General] numlauf:
I was thinking of getting this for my 5 year old. 200 @ best buy but I was wanting an android with a bigger screen than 8.4. Any suggestions 200-300$
[Galaxy Tab Pro 12.2, 10.1, 8.4 General] mingkee:
Your option is:

Samsung Tab 4

LG G Tab

However, both of them have lower spec though G Tab has superior battery.
[Galaxy Tab Pro 12.2, 10.1, 8.4 General] Note10.1Dude:
Lucky 5 year old. My 7 YO just got a 2012 Nexus 7 when his mother got the Tab pro 8.4. I think the Tab Pro is the best you can do in the $200 range for any tablet at the moment. There is something to be said for small screens for small hands.
[Galaxy Tab Pro 12.2, 10.1, 8.4 General] Dark_Vortex:
I agree with this statement. You have to keep in mind that while Best Buy is selling these things for $200 on sale, their normal price is $300. Also, it appears most other places are still selling them for $300+ for a new one as well. You can't even buy refurbished ones at this price. NewEgg, for example, are selling refurbished ones for $240.
[Galaxy Tab Pro 12.2, 10.1, 8.4 General] rdr_m:
Guys i live outside US. One of my relatives bought the tab for me on november 4th from bestbuy for 250usd. now as the tab is selling for 199 , can my relative get the price difference refund? Will greatly appreciate a quick reply.
[Galaxy Tab Pro 12.2, 10.1, 8.4 General] GTT1:
Yes but he has to go today as once the Black Friday sales starts they don't do price adjustments for any item reduced for BF sale. The current sale is not counted as a BF sale but that ends once BB opens Thursday evening.
[Galaxy Tab Pro 12.2, 10.1, 8.4 General] feinburgrl:
I just bought the Tab Pro 8.4 for $199 at Best Buy. Personal, I found the tablet laggy with the Samsung bloatware. My now broken Nexus 7 didn't have this issue as much. Wish I could have the stock version of Android on it. :confused:
[Galaxy Tab Pro 12.2, 10.1, 8.4 General] rdr_m:
You just saved me 50 bucks. thanks a bunch bro. You are a real life saver :)
[Galaxy Tab Pro 12.2, 10.1, 8.4 General] Cobra04:
I bought it today as well. Had CyanogenMod 11 running within 20 minutes of getting home. So much better. Give it a try.
[Galaxy Tab Pro 12.2, 10.1, 8.4 General] alxndrs:
Yes I just did this today, got a price adjustment for $50 from buying 15 days ago when it was $250. And the guy also applied the 10% mover's coupon I used in the original purchase. Total was 180 plus tax?.
[Galaxy Tab Pro 12.2, 10.1, 8.4 General] phstrat:
I just got the tab 4 pro 8.4 at best buy and I did

not

get the $25 google play credit gift...did anyone else get this or did it go away when the price dropped?
[Galaxy Tab Pro 12.2, 10.1, 8.4 General] Arun01:
I went back & fourth on getting this out the nvidia shield tablet. But with all the issues i kept reading on the shield I went ahead & ordered the tab pro. They didn't have any in stock so I'll have to wait until Wednesday to play with my baby argh:rolleyes:
[Galaxy Tab Pro 12.2, 10.1, 8.4 General] crane at citrus:
How to determine "lag"?

What is being used to determine "lagging"??? I don't have any problems with playing the Pinball FX games on the Pro Tab 8.4. I've found that the response of ALL my tablets & the e-ink ereader have the same problem of not being "instantaneous" in responding to my touch; not even the ipad at the store is different in not being instantaneously responsive......

There isn't any app that will show the "lag" of any touch response that I know of or have read about. I do have a problem with static and or capacitance where I don't even touch a touch-pad or the screen before the tablet or laptop does something.
[Galaxy Tab Pro 12.2, 10.1, 8.4 General] smknutson:
They dropped reference from it on all models on Samsung website
[Galaxy Tab Pro 12.2, 10.1, 8.4 General] Dark_Vortex:
I didn't get the $25 Google Play credit, either, but I'm not too upset. Paying only $199.99 for the tablet I figure I got my savings up front rather than in a gift card.
[Galaxy Tab Pro 12.2, 10.1, 8.4 General] Arun01:
I ordered mine offline from bestbuy. They didn't have in the store. I get it Monday & i can't wait!!:cool:
[Galaxy Tab Pro 12.2, 10.1, 8.4 General] mingkee:
I got the second (good) unit for $200 as well, and I returned the first (defective) unit which I got for $280).

I may comsider one more if the price stays at $200 next week.

This is one of the very best tablet you can get for the price.

I am very satisfied with second unit regardlessly there's no Google Play credit (you can buy some with money having been discounted.
[Galaxy Tab Pro 12.2, 10.1, 8.4 General] kario:
Re: Guide to root and install CM 11

What guide did you follow to root and install CM 11? - Thanks
[Galaxy Tab Pro 12.2, 10.1, 8.4 General] Cobra04:
Root - http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=2661198

For CM or any custom ROM you need TWRP. Follow the root guide but in step 4 replace the file with the one below.

Download openrecovery-twrp-2.8.0.1-mondrianwifiue.img.tar from https://goo.im/devs/OpenRecovery/mondrianwifiue/

*It must be a .tar

Once you do this, make a backup of your touchwiz setup, place it on your computer. Just in case. Then load up and flash CM plus gapps.
[Galaxy Tab Pro 12.2, 10.1, 8.4 General] smknutson:
Also got the $199 deal.

Upgraded from a Tab4 and the difference is amazing, just wish it had the dark Tab S/S5 theme.
[Galaxy Tab Pro 12.2, 10.1, 8.4 General] toanau:
Just got this bad boy in eBay for $189 refurb. Not as good as brand new but will do. Waiting to root now

Slim-bacon
[Galaxy Tab Pro 12.2, 10.1, 8.4 General] tankdog03:
Got the galaxy tab pro 8.4 at best buy for 229 +tax is that a good deal and are these any good? Is the tab style S any better? Probably just a little bit faster I'm guessing.. just trying to decide if I'm going to keep this one or get the tab s intead.. I also bought 2 tab 4's 7 inch for 149 for the kid and my mom..
[Galaxy Tab Pro 12.2, 10.1, 8.4 General] toanau:
Not a bad choice. But the tab S is alittle better as far the screen and processor

Slim-bacon
[Galaxy Tab Pro 12.2, 10.1, 8.4 General] tankdog03:
Yea easy to root chainfire on click really ezsy.. twrp recovery also.. then exposed.....
[Galaxy Tab Pro 12.2, 10.1, 8.4 General] Dark_Vortex:
It's not that easy of a distinction. The Tab S uses an Exynos processor while the Tab Pro (the 8.4 variant only) uses a SnapDragon processor. Another difference is the screen. The Tab S uses an AMOLED screen while the Tab Pro uses an IPS LCD screen. Having used them side by side, you'll gravitate towards the one that uses the screen technology you prefer (IPS vs AMOLED). The snappiness and functionality of the tablets are roughly equivalent.

I bet Samsung is hoping the Tab Pros sell out soon because even though its an older model, the Tab Pro can keep up with the Tab S just fine.

tl;dr version - Don't be fooled by the price drop. This is still a $400-level tablet. Samsung's just clearing them out as quick as they can hoping no one notices that there's not much difference between the Tab Pro and its replacement.
[Galaxy Tab Pro 12.2, 10.1, 8.4 General] Damocles66:
Best Buy just dropped the price to $199. Since I bought about the same time as you, I'll be heading in tomorrow with my receipt to get the $30 difference refunded. According to their Web site, they'll refund you the difference on a price drop.
[Galaxy Tab Pro 12.2, 10.1, 8.4 General] tankdog03:
Yea they sure will.. I asked about that when of bought mine.. I'll b making that drive for $30.. if the s series goes down I might just pay for that 1 if it's only like $50

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Thanks for the info... some sites don't even show the tab pro 8.4

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Awesomeness bro
[Galaxy Tab Pro 12.2, 10.1, 8.4 General] tankdog03:
Best buy will also price match newegg.com and amazon.com and a cpl others I forget
[Galaxy Tab Pro 12.2, 10.1, 8.4 General] mingkee:
I'd prefer Tab Pro over S because.

Snapdragon Processor (more development)

IPS screen (no burn)

Louder speakers (2 versus 1)

Cooler white (S is too muddy on white which is no way acceptable for me)

Price ($200 vs $350)
[Galaxy Tab Pro 12.2, 10.1, 8.4 General] mobbarley:
last couple pages of this thread explains how to get it for $131.xx + tax, buying at Best Buy and price matching to MicroCenter: http://slickdeals.net/f/7553986-16gb-samsung-galaxy-tab-pro-8-4-tablet-200-free-shipping?v=1

did this successfully earlier today!
[Galaxy Tab Pro 12.2, 10.1, 8.4 General] 530farm:
Same went in based on the $180 price at the beginning of the thread, then after getting it saw the end of the thread so went back and got price matched to $131. FLashed CM12 and am going to return my nexus 9. There is not a difference wroth the extra $360 between the 2 devices.
[Galaxy Tab Pro 12.2, 10.1, 8.4 General] waylo:
Looks like they're basically sold out at Best Buy, so their attempts to get rid of their inventory have worked well.

I ordered mine on 12/28 when it was still available to ship or via local pickup. Then 12/31 I purchased another one, but it wasn't available local for pickup anymore. Now, it's neither local (to me at least) nor shipable. So even though it's still listed on the Bestbuy website, probably very hard to get ahold of one at that price.
[Galaxy Tab Pro 12.2, 10.1, 8.4 General] Dark_Vortex:
Confirmed...can't say that I'm surprised. The Tab Pro 8.4 is equivalent to the Tab S 8.4 at half the price.
[Galaxy Tab Pro 12.2, 10.1, 8.4 General] tankdog03:
Got my $30 sale credited back to my cc today.. 199 sale price.. best buy was also sold out...

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Love this Qualcomm tablet.. I also am using the sprint note 3 with the same processor and love them both... both rooted and running very smoothly
[Defy Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Rawwr:
i recently bought a OEM battery for my defy last week

and the problem is that the battery level isn't shown on my device

although the battery bar is 100% all the time

then after 16-18 hours the battery drains automatically, but the problem doesnt ends here

another problem is

i have to charge it through the battery charger or universal charger,

i cant charge it through my phone

(p.s. i have 2 batteries, the other battery gets charged from the phone, but not this one.)

tried 2 different roms

slimkat and AOSPB

any suggestions to my prob ?
[Defy Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] aperture:
try going to /sys/devices/platform/cpcap_battery/power_supply/battery/uevent

and check POWER_SUPPLY_CHARGE_FULL_DESIGN.

if value is at 500 then the circuitry of your new battery is not working properly. it should be atleast 1500
[Defy Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] jalal-jap:
I cant change this POWER_SUPPLY_CHARGE_FULL_DESIGN

my phone is root

?
[Defy Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] DiegoxG:
Do you know if there is a way to solve battery problem because of McGyver trick? I have exactly the same problem, but from another perspective, it happens with any battery, I got one recently and had this problem as well, so I just have the option of charging the batteries via universal charger
[Defy Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Rawwr:
thanks for the reply

i get this > power supply voltage is 0 :-s
[Xperia SP Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] chasezz:
After I've installed the Cyanogen 11 4.4.2 ROM for Xperia sp, my mobile data hasn't been working at all. I can turn it on and off, but no symbol(H, 3g, 4g) appears on the signal icon. I've already tested every possible APN settings. I need your help!! Much appreciated !
[Xperia SP Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] mrjraider:
Check APN or accespoints: Settings > Network and Wireless > Data/more etc..

Check at mobile networks and APN or Accespoints

If these are empty you need to add them manually, so check with your operator for the details..
[Xperia SP Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] chasezz:
already done that, still not working..
[Xperia SP Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] mrjraider:
Enter airplane mode wait a few minutes reboot device and turn off airplane mode

Verstuurd vanaf mijn C5303 met Tapatalk
[Xperia SP Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] chasezz:
Didn't work Q_Q. Could it be that I'm missing some sort of file for data connections??
[Xperia SP Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] noahvt:
Is your operator a virtual operator? Then you need to turn on data roaming! Android detects a virtual operator as "roaming" older versions of cm had the option of national data roaming but cm11 doesn't you won't have to pay more if you turn on roaming in your own country
[Xperia SP Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] chasezz:
Ok so I called my operator and turns out they hadn't registered my SIM number on 3G connections or something like that. Thanks tho!
[Xperia SP Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] balanced_emotions:
Having the same problem :(

I tried the CM11 and AOSX, on both of them I am having the same problem. Though I have setted the APN up, the mobile data is not working. I tried the app Tweak APN but not worked either. Is there any fix about this issue or any solution that someone can help? Thanks.

PS: I am having an Xperia Sola
[Xperia SP Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] noahvt:
Try to enable data roaming (no extra costs will apply if you are in your own country)
[Xperia SP Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] balanced_emotions:
Unfortunately it is not working either :(
[Xperia SP Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] balanced_emotions:
No one able to help me?

Is it me only, having this problem? Isn't there anyone can help?
[Xperia SP Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] m.j.y:
I didn't test which you say but now I have this ROM and it doesn't connect PC. I solved that with sth like airdroid but it's still a problem or I think a bug!!! Isn't it???
[Xperia Z2 Accessories] Meltdown1982:
Hi,

has someone managed to connect the Playstation 4 Controller with the Z2 ?

Is it possible and which games are supported?

Thanks :good:
[Xperia Z2 Accessories] userg2x:
I'm eager to try this, my phone is on its way to its new home, so as soon as it arrives I will check it with my PS3 and PS4 controllers. PS3 controller works like a charm on the Xperia tablet with no additional drivers, it is plug n play!

As for the supported games, I'm thinking that maybe all or most of the games on the Playstation mobile store are compatible, other that than I don't know. Cheers.
[Xperia Z2 Accessories] ronak47:
I can confirm that they do work together.

All you need to do is hold the share and home (PS) button together until the lightbar on the pad starts to flash, once done you just need to pair it via Bluetooth.

Let me know if you need any further help.
[Xperia Z2 Accessories] Meltdown1982:
So I connected my PS 4 controller with my Z2.

The setup was very easy.

But when I use it with games it's reaction is bad. So when I push a button it takes a while till something happens in the game.

Any ideas?

Thx!
[Xperia Z2 Accessories] Meltdown1982:
Input Lag

I wrote today Sony Support about the input lag of the controller.

They replied that "The Playstation 4 Controller is not supported"

Awesome news ! :crying:

Maybe someone fixed the input lag issue of you guys? :confused:
[Xperia Z2 Accessories] ParanormalBat:
It's coming soon. I saw it in an ad somewhere (Xperia Z2 running a game with PS4 controller in the background).
[Xperia Z2 Accessories] aaa:
Z2 smartphone got already several firmware updates from Sony since the last post on this thread.

Did anyone try to connect the dualshock 4 to Z2 again? and see if it is working perfectly now?
[Xperia Z2 Accessories] defsix:
Hi, on 314 and my dualshock works perfectly !
[Xperia Z2 Accessories] aaa:
Dualshock 4? Really? No lagging whatsoever?
[Xperia Z2 Accessories] defsix:
Sorry to get you excited. I never read the 4 bit. Im using Dualshock 3... Sorry.
[Xperia Z2 Accessories] [kEkA]:
I've just read somewhere that with new z3, dualshock 4 is gonna work
[Xperia Z2 Accessories] defsix:
They'll probably make it backwardly compatible, like they did with the Z.... eventually.