yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[One (M8) General] blackice666:
There was a new version of firewater posted on the official site, at least the MD5 was different. So we were giving it a try...
[One (M8) General] DeeZZ_NuuZZ:
Yea I know that already but it's not helping ppl if all are posting that they got still get whelp message xD

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[One (M8) General] boe323:
Still waiting for my phone but ...I think ill wait as it should come back locked and no tamper banner. At least then when s-off is available for all ....I know then I can remove the dumb banner. UPDATE ...my phone is being repaired ...paid £95 for laminate, lcd and something + touch window. lcd is sharp I think ...which is the crappy dull one ? anyway I know its not the thread for it ....but the m8's are laminated so that's why there scratching ....cant wait to get it back ...hope s-off comes really soon for us.
[One (M8) General] exocetdj:
we will get an extra bottle when we behave ourselves hahahaha :D:D

(or at least thats what the wife says when i want a beer ahahaha)
[One (M8) General] dmo.jr:
Me too whelp sign after first bottle

This is our silver lining
[One (M8) General] The Great Dane:
Once again do as Jcase said "SIT BACK AND WAIT" when/if time comes that a new version will be available I'm sure we will be informed proberly.
[One (M8) General] exocetdj:
Anyone who asks for an update will be spanked and sent to bed without supper hahahahahaha:eek:

we will soon see who the fetishists are hahaha
[One (M8) General] jergutierrez:
I have tried on two different pcs AND a macintosh and it goes through all 12 bottles and says to reboot.

and i've tried about 20 times on each...
[One (M8) General] jergutierrez:
I just read on another topic that firewater was "updated" (or at least has another md5) so out of curiosity I tried this 'new' version and at bottle 2 it gives me the full 'whelp you're out of luck' message, that my htc is not able to use firewater for s-off.

at least now I know that it won't work instead of reaching all 12 bottles and not knowing if it can or can't s-off.
[One (M8) General] spikeydoo2006:
Really don't understand why all these comments about firewater not working are here?

This is a pledge thread, to help with the problem.

Instead of commenting that it still doesn't seem to work...make a pledge. ?
[One (M8) General] diddle09:
I almost reach orgasm after that 1bottle is opened and then the troll dreaded whelp shows up xD

:D

#we are almost there! Go devs! :good:
[One (M8) General] :
If s-off can be achieved I pledge buy you a new iphone 5s...

because marco hanna from phonedog.com keeps comparing every phone to the iphone 5s

every time i read the "iphone 5s" i imagine marco's voice saying it in my head

iphone 5s...

:good:

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[One (M8) General] mushages:
Of course because iPhone 5s is the best smartphone ever made! 4.7" retarded 720p resolution with the smallest battery ever made! It's better because it can charge and discharge faster than any other smartphone in the market! Oh wait and fingerprint sensor! 1.3 DUAL core!! 1Gb ram so it forces you to close apps and save earth
[One (M8) General] GraveDigger176:
yap thats all what i do i sit back and wait...............or watch the stanley cup finals :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
[One (M8) General] Puff1911:
lol

if the thread didn't have all this talk it would be dead.. might as well have some ole talk :D

I doh even get one bottle.. mine whelps right off the bat...

two of the terms of my pledge have expired lol May has ended..

so just he father's day offer still standing :D fingers crossed!!!
[One (M8) General] mushages:
Just to let you guys know. a newer version is out! sadly the same as previous one first bottle then whelp.
[One (M8) General] sirioo:
same here :(
[One (M8) General] blackice666:
I dont know if this was the case also with previous versions of firewater but i got this message:

I am not sure if internet connection on the device was required in older versions of firewater.
[One (M8) General] sjeffrey:
It was.
[One (M8) General] Purest:
Can always fall back to HTC Java card for s-off, at least then you can feel safe upgrading without worrying about losing s-off.
[One (M8) General] dmo.jr:
I get the same message

Keep going dev team!!
[One (M8) General] diddle09:
Hey add 20$ on my pledge. all in all would be 50$ bec i smell the victory
[One (M8) General] :
I wanted to try out the new version of firewater and behold...

Got a new whelp message...

this time its this:

The first bottle is open

chugging..........

whelp, that bottle is empty, opening bottle 2

chugging..........

remember the golden rule, NEVER take an OTA? Of course you don't

****** device patched by HTC, you are out of luck *********
[One (M8) General] DeeZZ_NuuZZ:
You guys don't even bother to read the 2 last pages? Oh man -.-

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[One (M8) General] blackice666:
Actually, thats something new. We didnt know that the OTA totally fixed the firewater exploit for S-OFF. Im glad i didnt update already.
[One (M8) General] Men noemt m O:
I got my M8 a week ago and updated it to 1.54.401.10 then tried to S-Off but got the whelp message. But (luckily) the camera was broken so I swapped it in for a new one yesterday. I haven't updated this one, still on 1.54.401.5 firmware, I'm not getting the whelp message but my phone just shuts down during chugging second or third bottle and i'm back at the adb prompt. I've been trying for hours, different adb versions, different PC's, different ROM's, also with file transfer to internal storage during chugging but it's the same every time.

But not getting the whelp message means it should work eventually right?
[One (M8) General] Black Antitoon:
Whelp... this is the confirmation we were awaiting. :(

Isn't it possible to downgrade the firmware/HBOOT/whatever with S-ON as long as it is signed and matches your MID/CID? If so, one could still downgrade and then run firewater.
[One (M8) General] exocetdj:
downgrading is not possible at all with s on
[One (M8) General] boe323:
So what happens now then when ppl buy new phones with the ota already on there ?. No more s-off? I imagine when I get my phone back it will have the latest software so im screwed again.
[One (M8) General] :
before anyone bashes me for getting whelp

i never did an update on my phone. when i got my phone and saw the hboot it was already updated

i just got my one on the 28th of may. i prlly got my batch of phones with the ota already installed. :crying:

go team fire water
[One (M8) General] coal686:
Thread cleaned. RDs have earned their respect around here and this whole website depends on their contributions, so please remember that. Now please keep this thread on topic.

Thanks,

coal686
[One (M8) General] npalmy:
25 bucks from me. Got my Tmo phone in store and they already did the OTA....grr. Much respect and gratitude to the developers who work so hard on this and all other issues .
[One (M8) General] koolcat7:
Im in the same boat too! And this is 2nd M8 im trying, first one didn't even get one bottle but this one does, then WHELP.
[One (M8) General] BRYCEFISHER:
Add $25 from me!
[One (M8) General] Puff1911:
same thing here.. with the previous firewater I didn't get any bottles.. but with this release I get one bottle before the whelp :)

I consider that great progress lol
[One (M8) General] opz187:
wheres the 2nd version of firewater??
[One (M8) General] mushages:
Always on the same website.

http://firewater-soff.com/
[One (M8) General] skinsfanbdh:
i think its the one for download. the first one was replaced
[One (M8) General] fmedrano1977:
So is it actually being worked on?

HTC One M8
[One (M8) General] oRAirwolf:
My understanding is that a phone that cannot currently be s-off'd is en route to or in the hands of one of the firewater dev's. They don't really reveal a lot of what is going on, but I think it is safe to say it is being worked on.
[One (M8) General] beaups:
Hate to disappoint, but the check/message just moved for other reasons.
[One (M8) General] billydroid:
Ahh crap. Thanks for ruining our speculation party.
[One (M8) General] koolcat7:
Put me down for 20 please.
[One (M8) General] Puff1911:
lol I don't believe u.. I think u enjoyed disappointing me!
[One (M8) General] jcase:
From who and to which dev
[One (M8) General] ainjobizz:
Yay I got s-off on the latest firewater. I tried about 10 times with the previous version awhile back and would open 1 bottle then it would go whelp and open the second bottle and from there it would just fail but on my first try on the latest firewater I got whelp again but got s-off right after :) I wasn't going to bother but I had nothing better to do tonight and bam. Good luck to you all still trying!
[One (M8) General] mb0:
C:\ADB\sdk\platform-tools>fastboot getvar all

trying to go the temp-root method

this is what i get all the time.

i don't want to use the HTCDEV option to unlock the phone.

is there another way or just wait and hope?
[One (M8) General] blackice666:
Sir, this is a bounty thread. Its not intended for troubleshooting :)

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This is somehow confusing. Did you get the whelp message that says there is nothing u can do etc etc. And after that you managed to get S-OFF?
[One (M8) General] ainjobizz:
This is what I got
[One (M8) General] blackice666:
And prior to this you were getting the whelp message?

This is the original whelp of death message:
[One (M8) General] skr_xd:
Your device's sw and hw details please...
[One (M8) General] ainjobizz:
I always got the whelp message shown in the picture and never got the whelp of death message but it always failed anyway and gave up on it for awhile until I gave it another go tonight with the latest firewater and finally S-Off'd...

So I'm guessing those who haven't seen the death message will probably get S-Off eventually if they keep trying?

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HTC One M8 T-Mobile Variant and running Sinless GPE 4.4.2 ROM although I went back to stock sense when I did the firewater process.
[One (M8) General] -juanito-:
Getting the whelp message from the first bottle ?
[One (M8) General] GraveDigger176:
all we can do is wait for a working solution nothing more, no matter how many times you around whining here :laugh: :D i'm in the same situation and got everytime the whelp message :good:
[One (M8) General] BRYCEFISHER:
Did you take the latest OTA?
[One (M8) General] :
The first bottle is open

chugging..........

whelp, that bottle is empty, opening bottle 2

chugging..........

remember the golden rule, NEVER take an OTA? Of course you don't

****** device patched by HTC, you are out of luck *********

isnt this the new message up death? ^^^^^

or should i still keep going and chug away? (keep retrying)
[One (M8) General] ainjobizz:
Nope. But I did flash to the latest T-Mobile radio after I got S-Off.
[One (M8) General] oRAirwolf:
I thought some dude in England was shipping you a phone to play with. I guess I was wrong.
[One (M8) General] jcase:
I turned him down, I wasn't sure I could return it in a working order, and the international shipping was a PITA
[One (M8) General] oRAirwolf:
Oh. Well poop. I wish I could do something to help other than pledge my money.
[One (M8) General] jeryx:
I trust you mate... I know you're doing your best... It is a challenge for you... So keep it up... Thank you! I'll patiently wait and profit if the time is right! Have fun!
[One (M8) General] jntdroid:
Sorry if this is a dumb question, and maybe I'm just blind (likely), but is there somewhere that shows which variant's cannot be S-Off'd? I'm currently on a stock M8 with T-Mobile.
[One (M8) General] The Great Dane:
There's has been many opinions but easiest way to find out: try firewater and you will know. [emoji12]
[One (M8) General] M82A1-50:
Sign me up for $25.

Picked my HTC m8 up recently with the OTA already ran on it.

Tired of seeing "remember the golden rule, NEVER take an OTA? Of course you don't ****** device patched by HTC, you are out of luck *********"
[One (M8) General] mikeyinid:
Depends, run this in terminal "/sys/devices/msm_sdcc.1/mmc_host/mmc0/mmc0:0001/cid"

If the output starts with 90 you wont get s-off.
[One (M8) General] The Great Dane:
Not according to Beaups[emoji12]
[One (M8) General] dmo.jr:
I wanted to know that somebody is working on it or we should just pass the s off?

But in the last update i saw a silver lining

I got the first bottle and then whelp of death

Htc one m8 no branded gsm

Running skydragon gpe
[One (M8) General] mikeyinid:
Show me one person with a device starting with 90 that has s-off. My first one had 90, couldn't s-off. Got a new one, starting with 45 and s-off was no issue.
[One (M8) General] The Great Dane:
Not my words mate. Believe you when you saying so, mine is a 90 as well and I'm in same situation. Only telling what Beaups said.
[One (M8) General] beaups:
I have several "90 devices" with s off.
[One (M8) General] v1rk:
Also it's your choice to disclose or keep in suspense, you still get haters tho but gratz man
[One (M8) General] jcase:
I too can say this is incorrect
[One (M8) General] The Great Dane:
Oh you 2 naughty boyz, lol! Keep up the good work and let's hope for a bright future even for the "whelps"
[One (M8) General] mikeyinid:
Ok. I haven't seen your s-off "90 devices". What I have seen is several people in this thread confirm their devices wouldn't s-off with 90, myself included. Not 1 person with a 90 has confirmed s-off in this thread, aside from you. I understand you're being somewhat cryptic and that you know the real reason certain devices won't s-off, I'll take you and jcase word for it and move on.
[One (M8) General] Root-Maniac:
One thing i have learned watching all these bounty threads, Half or more of the people who have pledged, never end up paying, they always have some excuse, (or non at all) as to why they are not entitled to pay there pledge. Then on top of people not paying there pledges, you got trollz on here talking Sh*t to the devs who bring this to us..

"Talk sh*t to me and dont pay your bounty? lol have a nice life losers..."

Is what i would be saying if i was jcase or beaups
[One (M8) General] dementio:
All I get is "can't execute: Permission denied"
[One (M8) General] GraveDigger176:
try this "/sys/devices/msm_sdcc.1/mmc_host/mmc0/mmc0:0001/cid" on running android and usb debugging enable in adb window

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if I have s-off no matter by whom or what i pay the pledge word is word and i stand for it :cowboy: if you say what you should also stand for it thats my opinion :good:
[One (M8) General] 123421342:
They probably have another exploit (i'm pretty sure jcase mentioned something about not wanting to burn one yet) but don't want to release it yet. They have their reasons, they aren't being malicious. Leave them alone they work hard enough as it is.
[One (M8) General] mikeyinid:
Nvm
[One (M8) General] WackyJoe:
Easy solution...?

There is an EASY solution to this and if any moderator or senior member can bring this idea to whomever it needs to be brought to, it would be great:

BOUNTY ESCROW

Instead of just "pledging" $100 or whatever, have people put it into an escrow account of some sort.

Have a high ranking moderator/senior member hold the money.

So the basics would be:

1) Someone pledges $50, or whatever amount, by sending the money via PayPal to the ESCROW account.

2) The person who "wins" the bounty, gets it.

Kind of simple, I don't know if this was ever brought up or if it was ever tried...but I sure as hell know that if I see a REAL tangible amount going up and I KNOW that I will get that if I can win the bounty, then I would try harder or basically have more incentive to put in the time and effort.

You can also put a little twist into this by putting a time frame.

For example, before 6/30/2014 I will pledge $200, if from 7/1/2014 to 7/15/2014 I decrease it to $100...afterwards $50 minimum.

This last part doesn't have to be there, but it's a thought as some like to currently pledge in this fashion.

Can I get any :good: on this idea?
[One (M8) General] GraveDigger176:
thats a really good idea if a escrow account is done i pay my 50€ pledge :good: :D :cool:
[One (M8) General] y2jdmbfan:
Can someone explain the 90 serial number thing? I just got another Developer Edition, but I haven't opened it yet. Hoping that I can still get s-off on this new one, the date on the sealed package is 3/26/14. If someone could post an example serial, that would be great.
[One (M8) General] v-b-n:
Holy crap ... I S-Off'd HBOOT 3.16 with OS 1.54.707.x ... it was giving me problem from day one ... opening 3 bottles then exiting or whelps and nothing ...

I read in one post (sorry can't remember where) that if this was run while copying a large file (presumably to cover all the bottles so at least 1GB in size) to internal storage , S-Off was achievable ... and wow .. did it work ...

I started firewater , kept Android File Manager ready and iOS 8 Beta IPSW (:p 1+GB) ready to copy ...

As soon as it said preparing, one moment, I started the file copy and lo behold, after Bottle 2 I got S-Off'd

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[One (M8) General] matinm90:
I tried doing that out of curiosity, but firewater stopped because I touched the device. It didnt fail that is, it just stopped. So how did you copy the file?
[One (M8) General] gagdude:
Gonna try this out while copying OSX Yosemite.... will report back later.

EDIT: No go. Tried it twice. Damn.
[One (M8) General] koolcat7:
I have tried the "file copy method" too many times and never works. Nothing bad happens, but it always still "whelps".

So you upgraded to OS 1.54.707.x??? I am on 1.54.651.8 (I didn't accept any OTA software updates).

I'm wondering if I were to update, it would maybe make firewater work or would it be not good to even try that?

And what do you mean you kept android file manager open?
[One (M8) General] :
dude i tried firewater right now and its still giving my a whelp message.

its that one rude message saying "you know that golden rule about OTA update" blah blah blah

idk what the heck you did... enlighten us please.

i dont really follow what you are saying. unless you're just pulling our leg

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and what the heck are you talking about with iOS8?

what? :confused:
[One (M8) General] blackice666:
Im in also for paying in advance.
[One (M8) General] v1rk:
I'm ready and waiting, point me in the direction of where to send and should be done instantly
[One (M8) General] downwiththebanksters:
2 suggestions:

1 Whatever happens to you, i.e. whelp or s-off, please post as much detail as possible about your device: hopefully including colour/32gb or 16gb/ country/carrier/CID/serial number. That would give we mortals data to play with even if the firewater folks know more. If that were done from the start of the thread it might have been of some benefit.

2 Maybe the OP should put a banner in the first post saying don't upgrade using any OTA's if you want s-off?
[One (M8) General] blackice666:
I think that there is a thread where "whelpers" posted this info. However i think that there is no benefit by this statistics since the developers said that the issue is already known by them.
[One (M8) General] downwiththebanksters:
Well they are holding their cards fairly close to their vest about this. Quite frankly they are in a war with HTC, and the first casualty of war is truth. That said, what I'm advocating is all about crowd sourcing of the best data possible. Although suppressed, it has been a help for the Chernobyl and Fukashima folks. I think it is just good policy to state as much info as you can here. One never knows what may be unexpectedly found if the sample size becomes large enough.
[One (M8) General] jbwdevos:
Alcoholics

Can we PLEASE make it clear... If you get to the second bottle, you have no problem. This bounty thread is not for alcoholics ;)

This thread is for people who want to be drinkers too!
[One (M8) General] v1rk:
Dont agree with the first suggestion won't provide much use to anyone but with the second suggestion people who buy the phone will already have the ota installed on the phone
[One (M8) General] exocetdj:
do not upgrade via ota if you want s off

i repeat!!

do not upgrade via ota if you want s off!!!!!!! :p
[One (M8) General] The Great Dane:
will that say that I shall stay away from da ota????[emoji12]
[One (M8) General] exocetdj:
nah u must update via ota :silly::silly::silly::silly::silly::laugh::laugh:
[One (M8) General] phatmanxxl:
Incoming wave of posts asking "Why can't I get S-off still?"
[One (M8) General] The Great Dane:
jah ain't life just wonderful[emoji12]
[One (M8) General] v-b-n:
First off, it's no joke...SOff worked for me the way I described ...

Second for the confused people, ios 8 was just the latest 1GB+ file I had lying around! it has nothing to do with the SOff

Thirdly I copied via the standard android file manager way on OSX (I have enabled mtp mode with adb using drivedroid)

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Actually that's not true either ... I have gotten upto bottle 3 after which firewater would crash and phone would enter qhusb mode
[One (M8) General] jbwdevos:
[MENTION=2368624]v-b-n[/MENTION] you don't know what the whelp message looks like. Please read other posts.

Verstuurd vanaf mijn HTC One_M8 met Tapatalk
[One (M8) General] v-b-n:
Actually I have had multiple M8 phones since it's launch .. So I have a pretty good idea what whelp message is from firewater

Just because I am suddenly replying to this thread doesn't mean I am ignorant .. Peace :)
[One (M8) General] jbwdevos:
Nevermind.

Verstuurd vanaf mijn HTC One_M8 met Tapatalk
[One (M8) General] blackice666:
Did you ever get this message?
[One (M8) General] v-b-n:
Yes... On one of the previous devices which I had ota'd ... not this one... Incidentally this one came with the newest os and firmware ... And soff was successful after my last attempt as I detailed few posts back
[One (M8) General] koolcat7:
So ive heard, but I'm not updated, 100% sure, and still firewater goes thru one bottle then whelp. Therefore there has to be another cause for this whelp other than updating OTA (still I would NOT try to OTA...) I'm not sure how many updates pushed out but I am on an earlier version compared to a newer version someone posted they got s-off on.

Also note that on my first M8 I accpted the OTA update and firewater whelped then too. I'm fairly certain the whelp error has nothing to do with OTA update.
[One (M8) General] carloss2013:
The first bottle is open

chugging..........

whelp, that bottle is empty, opening bottle 2

chugging..........

remember the golden rule, NEVER take an OTA? Of course you don't

****** device patched by HTC, you are out of luck *********

they have patchted exploit with ota
[One (M8) General] :
could the m8 be the new HTC ONE X?

where the newer batches of phones it would never be s-off'd.

better jump boat to the htc one m9 and never take an OTA guys. or buy it day one so it doesnt get patched when it has the OTA pre installed
[One (M8) General] koolcat7:
Of course I do remember that rule! However, I never got the "device patched by HTC" message, even on first OTA'd phone.

OK, they must have patched the OTA since I tried on my first M8 then.... All I'm saying is I have a phone without the update and still no luck with firewater.
[One (M8) General] P4THOG3N:
I'd be down for that if it helps the dev's comfort level for investing time in the feat.
[One (M8) General] dmo.jr:
S off is like the jb on ios

It's just the matter of time!!

Just be patient!!
[One (M8) General] dkotoric:
Except allot more people working on it for IOS

Sent from my HTC One M8
[One (M8) General] skirlomator:
20$ from me once my T-Mobile m8 is s-off'ed.
[One (M8) General] beaups:
True. And it's odd considering how accessible android is (adb, open source parts, etc). Instead we all just wait for someone else to do it.