yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Accessories] Pawlisko:
OK, I made some more research.

First - Battery Usage - SIMore is far more efficient then "13th Generation Adaptor". I guess 5% less then SIM card alone.

Second - Stability - Far move better then other adaptor.

Third - Time of swith - SIM1 - T-Mobile; SIM2 - Cingular; SIM1->SIM2 - 40 sec; SIM2->SIM1 - 38 sec. Counted from click to switch to log in into other network. Band settings: Type of network: Auto; Band: GSM(1900+850)+UMTS(1900+850).

Forth - performance - This is only adapter known by me that I can use with Cingular card thou only in GSM mode, still UMTS is unavaliable on Cingular's card.

Note: More functions will be better implemented in AKU 3.x thou it is more SIM friendy.

I think that reason for this low performance might be radio upgrade. I will wait for official upgrade to confirm, but right now my guts say so. I never had to power on/off that European SIM card alone could log in into network. Something is wrong and it might be radio.
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Accessories] FERNANDOR:
64k Sim Cloners

Hi ... Anyone Ever Used Sim Cloners....i Bouhgt A Couple At Ebay...

But They Were Only Good 4 32k Sims (very Old)

All My Sims Are 64... 2day I Entered Ebay Again And It Seems That The Sellers Are Saying They Work With 64k Sims Aswell

Any Success ?
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Accessories] Pawlisko:
See post #74 in this thread.

Not possible with new cards. And it is not about card size but cypher used.
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Accessories] djtamuli:
Got a really stable Dual Sim Adapter .. wanted to share

Hiya

After lots of study, I have decided to buy two dual sim adapter from ebay recently. I was not sure which one will work in my SE K750i and Nokia 6230i. I have looked the guys feedback and testimony and i came to know that

1. Dual Sim card (Cutting) will work in SE K750i and

2 Dual Sim card ( No cutting required) will work nicely on Nokia 6230i

I have wasted few adapter before, but these adapter worked really well. They are written as 11th Generation. They also says that it would work in 3G phones, but I dont have 3G phones to test it

For your info, just giving you the link of the guys listing.

http://stores.ebay.co.uk/Planet-M-06_W0QQsspagenameZMEQ3aFQ3aSTQQtZkm

Thanks
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Accessories] trentend:
That's effectively the same item that I already have. It works with 3G phones, but specifically states not with 3G USIM.

I do not believe there is currently a fully functional dual sim adaptor for modern 64k 3G SIM cards. I would be happy to be proved wrong, but I have been unable to find any solution so far. I would expect this adaptor not to work with my sim cards. This is a sit tight and wait for developments to catch up with the current technology type scenario.....
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Accessories] Pawlisko:
trentend - your right. The only working adapters for USIMs give 2G capability but not 3G.

Like my Cingular USIM - I can connect to EDGE network, dial, connect to data service but I can not connect to UMTS/HSDPA network, because after 2-3 seconds it will be kicked out form it.

I do monitor adapter market but in my opinion - we have to still wait about year for any solution and probably it want be anything compatible with this adapters just like cloning.
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Accessories] jimi:
My problem is i cannot get the dual sim to read or accept my Three uk 3g sim card, the dual sim application works for most sims except this one. Is there something unique about Three UK sim cards.
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Accessories] pinkopalino:
I see...

With my Sims from Eplus and BASE, which are both said to be UMTS by the provider(s), it works. I get connection speeds of up to 450 Kbits/s on both using the adapter. I have set the band to WCDMA only in the phone app and everything works just fine.

Maybe the provider can enlighten you, whether there are certain alternations or conditions with their supplied sims. They would be my first bet to ask, if you have not done so already.

By the way, I am using the unaltered HTC Test ROM with the Radio ROM it installed with via the exe-update file.
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Accessories] LUIREMA:
13th holder vavolo don´t work

i bought a dual sim in vavolo.com a 13 th generation cut holder. i recives one but it don´t work.

i send a mail to vavolo and i post the sim holder, them vavolo post me another one but the same problem.

i´ve make a lot of test

phones

qtek s200

qtek 9100

tytn

motorola v3

motorola v180

nokia n70

sims

amena

vodafone

movistar

32k and 64 k

finally it only works in my old nokia 8100

but the sims must be without pin code

don´t work in the other phones

http://www.vavolo.com/productdetail...unName,Dual+SIM+Card+Holders,Func_ID,48,,.htm

have anybody the same problem?
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Accessories] must_dash:
Having read the thread several times and struggled to see who has managed what.

Who has managed to get a dual sim adaptor to work in their TyTn / Hermes? I am especially interested in getting 'new' sims and '3g' sims to work.

If you did could you share all the details with everybody, such as: the make, where you bought it from (if e-Bay the link or seller etc), any fiddling or tweaking that was required to make it all work.

Like many others I have bought fom ebay, managed to cut the cards and can't get it to work... I bought this "Dual Sim 12th Gen, Auto STK Menu, Universal holder cut" from "dualholder", in all fairness we are talking and I haven't been 'dumped.
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Accessories] Pawlisko:
must_dash: What do you mean by "getting 'new' sims and '3g' sims to work"

Here we have Cingular with USIM (3G SIM Card) and what I got is that I can log in into GSM (2G) network. No luck with UMTS (3G).

Adaptor name: SIMore
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Accessories] ricorico:
Wow pof,

Know you did it successfully with this "Dual Sim 10th Gen, Auto STK Menu, Universal holder cut".

Guys like me in H.K. feeling frustrate cos we don't have much choice for the adaptor, even we found one of the brand "Simore", but don't work for 3G.

Hope this group can get good stuff for Asia member, transfer by bank is ok.
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Accessories] raix:
So the analog ones without Sim Toolkit Menu are working?

What about this one:

http://cgi.ebay.de/Dual-Sim-10th-Ge...ryZ43805QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

Does someone know if this will work?
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Accessories] trentend:
It depends on your definition of 'work'.

If you want a dual sim holder to provide both 2G and 3G services with the latest sim cards, then the answer is no, it does not work because currently nothing does.

If you have earlier sim's and/or are not bothered about 3G services, then this thread does provide 'working' suggestions.

Personally I'm waiting for a 2G and 3G digital solution (analogue turning off and on the phone to switch sims is no good for me) for the latest sim cards. I think it will come, but the market doesn't currently offer a solution.
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Accessories] sayborg:
This is what you guys are looking for.

freeyourmobile.com

power off/on 3G

(via flight mode without switching off the phone). No battery drain like it is with the digital adaptors!!!
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Accessories] pedromuro:
Switche betewen two lines

How do the switching betewen both lines ??:rolleyes:
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Accessories] freeyourmobile:
We have a dual sim that will work with this mobile.

You may be aware we sell many many different models but have found an older software version that will work with my own Orange m3100 (Hermes).

The dual sim I would recommend is the Advanced MENU Twin SIM (V9.6)

and not the dearest either.

http://www.freeyourmobile.biz/acatalog/dual_sim_cards_full_range.html

Tip...

You have to also put the padding inside the dual sim or above it to apply pressure down on the sim cards to ensure that they have a good enough contact.

You will find dual sim card in the windows program menu once there is a good enough contact on both sim’s at startup.

Most fall at this hurdle as the sims must have a good firm contact with the dual sim and often mobiles either squeeze the dual sim ie you need the padding outside the dual sim or there is too much room and hence it needs padding inside the dual sim.

Patience is the 2nd tip once you have selected the different number let the mobile switch.
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Accessories] cato:
The Digital Dual Sim adapters work but with huge battery drain (in my reference scenario without using radio, with phone on and minimal backlight my Tytn drains more than 80 mA compared with about 40 mA with the normal SIM).

Using the analogue Dual Sim adapter (I use the one that Freeyourmobile sells but they are available from other providers) in the same scenario described before and with the same Sims the battery drain returns to normal value (about 40 mA). Off course you do not have the STK menu and you need to switch flight mode on and off to change the active Sim.
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Accessories] over2land:
Cato-

Are you talking about this card:

I'm thinking of trying this, and wanted to go the route you did... I'm concerned about the battery drain.

Also, is the cut the same for all the dual sim cards?

Thanks.
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Accessories] cato:
Yes it is that. You can switch between the 2 sim turning on and off flight mode (no need to power off the entire Hermes).

I cutted my sims for a digital dual sim adapter and use them in the analogue one without the problem.

The only issue is understanding which sim is active. I'm developing a today plugin for it.
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Accessories] over2land:
Well, I got that one, and I've got no small amount of difficulty getting the phone to see the SIM... more often than not, I get a no sim card error. But on the rare occasion when it does see a SIM card, and function, I can't get it to change to the second line, no way no how.

No matter what I do, the phone will only recognize the SIM card closest to the microchip on the dual sim adapter.

Any thoughts?
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Accessories] cato:
over2land, are you able to use all of the 2 single cutted sim with the plastic adapter contained in the package you receive?
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Accessories] over2land:
Cato- Ya lost me.... wanna rephrase that? Also, any luck on the plugin to show what line is active?

And, I figured it out. I was going to start/settings/phone, and looking at the number there. The number there only reflects the SIM in the number one spot on the adapter. the number two number doesn't ever show up, even when it is the active line.

ON EDIT:

Earlier, the way I was figuring out what was the active SIM was by making a call to another phone. Now, I see that by going to SIM manager, I can see which SIM is active, accurately.
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Accessories] cato:
Pelargonium preceded me:

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=302759
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Accessories] achille75:
GUys !!! what about this ONE !!!!

it said " 3G ready" !!!!!!!

http://cgi.ebay.com/3G-UMTS-work-12...114651060QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item140114651060

As anyone know something about this dual sim ???

Does anyone have a dual compatible with 3G UMTS ??
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Accessories] over2land:
As I recall (if you read this whole thread) pof mentioned that that adapter wouldn't fit in the phone...

Might even be on the first post in this thread.

On Edit: Yep, it is on the first post. pof couldn't get the battery cover back on the phone with that style SIM adapter.

And, if you look at page 11, you can see which adapter I've got. DLSreports comes back with 168kb/s I've got no idea if that's 2G, 3G, or what that actual speed is. My phone has the E icon on when I'm on the net, FWIW.
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Accessories] over2land:
At work I get anywhere from 313-754 kb/s... and that's with the H icon.

I'm doubting the 754 is a real number, but I don't really get this G/3G/H/E speed deliniation thing.

This is using that dual SIM adapter I posted on the previous page.
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Accessories] alkizmo:
TIPS FOR THOSE HAVING PROBLEMS WITH DUAL-SIM ADAPTER :

- SIM UNLOCK the phone even if you use SIMs from the locked operator.

From previous experience, I had a SIM locked nokia and a dual-sim adapter with two SIMs from the same carrier. When I'd switch SIM, the phone would freak out with Invalid SIM warnings and/or resets.

- Be PATIENT and CAREFUL. Those things are CHEAPLY made. You got to have your cutted out sims placed PERFECTLY on the contacts.

- When you slide on the top cover, it moves the SIMS around, so you gotta try over and over and over.

- If you get NO SIM error, I'd suggest looking into putting some pressure on TOP of the dual-sim adapter. It might be that the contacts of the adapter don't touch the pins on the phone.

For me, I had to put a tiny piece of folded paper between the SIM adapter and the battery.

With due patience and hard work, you'll have this :D It's only GREAT if you got a use for such thing though :p
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Accessories] greatg:
I recently purchased the Simcore Silver Type 1 dual sim adapter. The sims were cut using the cutting tool. Individually, the sim work in my TyTN. When I install the adapter with both sims, my TyTN freezes and I cannot access any applications. Sometimes it will say no sim installed. Can anyone offer any assistance? TIA
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Accessories] alkizmo:
ya, follow my tips just above you. If it still doesnt work, you got a defective adapter.
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Accessories] chiwah:
y dont you put on one sim a pincode...than you know for sure which one is which that is how i do it
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Accessories] Pelargonium:
Try to use my plugin:

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?p=1219916
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Accessories] freeyourmobile:
A dual sim is available from www.freeyourmobile.biz that will work with the Hermes.

The menu appears as dual sim rather than HTK.

The one you need is the Advanced MENU Twin SIM (V9.6)

http://www.freeyourmobile.biz/acatalog/dual_sim_cards_.html
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Accessories] hugot:
I think i'm going to try it!

Video calls and internet access (HSDPA) will work with this right?

Do you have any solution without having to cut the cards, someone told me that my vodafone card cannot be cuted...
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Accessories] gameparts:
I purchased this dual sim from this company. I unlocked my phone, cut my sims with the cutter also purchased, and IT DOESN'T WORK! My Cingular 8525 (HTC TyTn) says "Invalid or missing SIM card". The sims work fine individually when put back in the recovery card. I tried all the covers and the foam piece for extra pressure, with the same negative results.

Has anyone tried the "New Power on off standard dual sim" from freeyourmobile.biz that says it is specifically designed for 3M Cards?

Very very disappointed!
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Accessories] greatg:
Avoid Simore as a dealer - Do not provide support

Well I don't usually like to post these sorts of threads, but I received a DOA dual sim adapter from Simore. They kept telling me that the adapter would not work in my TYTN. My buddy has the same adapter and it worked just fine. Well after trying to explain this to Simore (several times) they have now stopped replying to my email requesting a replacement. Not a good way to run a business...
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Accessories] drew111:
I import these useful but tricky adapters. They work perfectly on 32K & 64K 3G sim but not on 128K 3G sim:mad: It will not read 128K on any phone I've tried. When used together with a 32K or 64K Hermes will only pick up the that sim regardless of which sim slot is which. And if only earlier version sims are used then both are picked up. The network operators are out to irritate us with constant new sim versions:D
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Accessories] gameparts:
Which Dual sim did you try from Simore? The Silver 1? Your friend definitely has one working in his TYTN?? Are you absolutely positive of that? Because I am willing to buy one from Simore if I know it will work. Simore says "they cannot guarantee it will work". But if I know someone, anyone, has truely made it work I will buy it and report back to this string. Let me know!
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Accessories] dchang:
H all..

i just bgt the dual sim card adaptor from freeyourmobile.com

i got it up and running, sim cards detected, can dial out, sms, etc.

But i realized that after a while, although the signal icon is shows a very strong signal, the phone has actually lost connectivity...cause when i tried to use the phone, it says operation failed or people will not be able to dial in.

Anyone faced this problem? Any workarounds?

Thanks in advance!
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Accessories] gameparts:
I found one that works!!

Ok, after much frustration, much headache, and unkind words exchanged between the people both at freeyourmobile and simone I have finally found a dual sim adapter that works & a plugin that allows you to change sims via the menu. I get 3G service on both sims and no aparent problems! I can dial out and receive calls. Data works via my Medianet ATT carrier. WIFI works. Bluetooth works. Signal remains strong and constant. Here is the info:

Phone: Cingular 8525 (AKA Herm100, HTC TyTn)

ROM version: 2.15.502.3 (latest download from HTC.com)

OS: Windows Mobile 5

Unlocked with free unlocker available here: http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=293665

Carriers: I have two different ATT sim cards/plans, one on each sim: one voice only Sim (business) and one data & voice combined Sim (personal).

Dual Sim Adapter purchased from http://www.freeyourmobile.biz/acatalog/dual_sim_cards_.html

You need the one labeled "New Power on off standard dual sim". This is one where you have to cut your sims. I recommend getting the simcard cutter which makes cutting them really easy.

DO NOT GET THE "Advanced MENU Twin SIM"!!! That one doesn't work!!

Once I installed the cut sims into the dual sim adapter I had to also use the little foam piece that comes with it to make good contact between the two sims and the adapter.

Menu Sim Switcher plugin: It is called Called Dual Sim Today or SIMTodayCab.CAB available here: http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=302759

This plugin allows you to switch sims via the menu and it only takes about 15 seconds to switch between sims! You can also custom label each sim via this plugin so you know which sim is currently active.

I think that is it. If anyone has any questions or problems just let me know. It works great on my phone and I am so happy I finally found a solution!
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Accessories] dchang:
hi gameparts

good to hear u got it working, just wanna check with you, are any of your SIM cards 128KB based?
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Accessories] gameparts:
YES! Both my sim cards are 128K (3G) sim cards! They both work great!
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Accessories] gameparts:
Freeyourmobile.com is now out of this dual sim. I need one for a friend with an 8525. If anyone has the exact same one from freeyourmobile.com called the "New power on off standard dual sim" please let me know.
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Accessories] Malkatraz:
Obviously there are no dual sim adaptors that take uncut sim cards, correct? I'm reluctant to chop to pieces my work sim...
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Accessories] gameparts:
There are no "no-cut" dual sim cards that I have found that will work in my 8525. All of those only work with non 3G phones & sims. I also purchased the sim card cutter and it works great. It really isn't that big of a deal cutting the sims, especially with the special cutter. If you ever need to go back to a regular sim card, the dual adapter comes with a "recovery card" which you just pop your cut sim back into and it works as a single sim again.
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Accessories] Blobstrom:
Thanks for the tip I did exactly as you said and yes it works fine.

Word of warning.

The stick on templates you get to put on your SIM so you can cut them out yourself are wrong, they are far to narrow, luckily i tested on a spare SIM first.

OK now a question, I changed the setting to tap and hold to switch SIMs how do I get back into the menu now, because tap and hold just causes it to switch SIMs
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Accessories] Pelargonium:
Blobstrom, I'm the writer of the plugin. The configuration menu is also available through the control panel of Windows Mobile: tap Start->Settings->Today->Ttems->Dual Sim Today->Options

Pelargonium.
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Accessories] Blobstrom:
Thank you, great program
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Accessories] cudo:
hi, i bought 16 th generatio dual sim holder off ebay wich apparently works with gsm and 3g. 1stly i cut orange uk sim with scissors and it works with the adapter perfectly that was the spare one. next i cut the t-mobile uk one, thats the contract one and o2 uk prepaid one. now only orange one works and i did only cut it to try the two other i did really cut the as good as i could and none of them work either with or without adapter , why ? any expereience ?

cheers,

cudo
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Accessories] dodba:
Hi I have this dual sim

http://www.magicsim.com/en/dual_sim_show.asp?id=33&cp_id=10&sort2name=8

on a trinity with two 128bit sim of different operator.

with this configuration your software doesnt change the sim and like the original stk doesnt work in 3g/umts network
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Accessories] mariochi:
dual sim FOR TYTN

I have tried a lot of dual sim on tytn WITHOUT SUCCESS.

The only one that works is SIMORE. www.simore.ch

Unfortunately it costs a lot and You must calculate an overcharge for custom duties (because Swiss is out of Europe).

So I have paied 50 eur. for a dual sim.

It doesn't worth the value.

And It seems not to work properly if you set the radio setting on UMTS.

It works well only on GSM bands.

Thats all.

Mario
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Accessories] cudo:
hmm..i am using a 6 quid dual sim holder..and it is really good. i mean it does what it is mean to do. i got no problems with 3/3.5G and GSM. i used it on my tytn and now im using it on my tytn II with no problems at all.

cudo
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Accessories] SaintyB:
Cudo

I'm looking to use a dual sim in a tytn ii as well - what brand of adaptor did you use? No probems with data over a 3G network afterwards?

Thanks
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Accessories] gpsenzo68:
Do you have a link to a site?

Het Cudo,

Could you give us a link to the site where U obtained the Dualsim adapter?

Thnx in advance!
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Accessories] furiardy:
I have 6th generation buy from ebay,works good... stk_ui ppc.exe change by dual sim card,the original is gone, why???any idea ???
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Accessories] mixpro:
Ok I have done some testing with my 64k AT&T SIM and my T-Mobile (No Idea what Size) with this one on ebay with no problems and 3G working fine.

http://cgi.ebay.com/Ghost-Dual-SIM-...ryZ48501QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

This one has also worked very well with no problems and 3G

http://cgi.ebay.com/Double-Dual-Sim...ryZ48501QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

I am using the Menu Sim Switcher plugin called Dual Sim Todayavailable here: http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=302759

Good Luck