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[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Accessories] nforsans:
Thanks matrix - the pics are great.

I am still stuck though I guess - the circuitboard does not seem to work on my device as, depite having cut the sims I can still get them work in my device (so I have not damaged the sims).

When I place the sims in the circuitboard, the circuitboard in the device, then switch the phone on, I get a message asking me to insert a sim card. Switching the phone and off again does not solve the problem - neither putting the phone on flight mode and back on again.

The one I got is the so-called Dual Sim 10th Gen, Auto STK Menu, Universal holder cut. Did I pick up the wrong one?

Can the circuitboard be incompatible with the Hermes?

Someone on thios forum got it to work though (see earlier posts on this thread).

Thanks for any help/advice you may provide.
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Accessories] matrix866:
I haven't yet the TyTN and i can't try the adapter in it.

The only advice I can give you is to try the DUAL SIM ADAPTER in other phones because many times the problem is that it doesn't make contact!

Just some days ago I have bought one for my uncle and I've made the full operation of cutting and putting the DUAL SIM ADAPTER in the Nokia 3510i. I've lost 3 hours to make it work because the DUAL SIM ADAPTER doesn't make contact.

You have to put a thickness on the DUAL SIM ADAPTER to make contact (between the adapter and the battery). Try in this way. If it doesn't work try to remove the cover of the DUAL SIM and press directly on the CHIP if you can. Try more time in this way to be sure that the adapter work or doesn't work and if it work you can try to put it in the TyTN.

P.S. The dual sim adapter that I have bought is "Dual Sim New 10th Gen, Auto STK Menu, UNIVERSALE". The seller is very serious ;-)

P.P.S. See the cover of the dual sim adapter and see if the tongues are large or small. If them are small (like this) they are ok. If them are large this maybe a reason for which the adapter doesn't make contact.
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Accessories] Si_W:
Just before I do something I regret !

Just checking that even though the sensor plate on top of the SIM is larger than the template area I'm going to cut around that this is just the sensor and not the SIM.

See the pictures of matrix866's and assume that the actual SIM is smaller than the sensor plate.....

Just a little bit cautious !!
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Accessories] Mudstuffin:
I've noticed this dual sim advertising itself as being compatible with any 2g or 2g phone...

Universal Ghost Dual SIM for all mobiles 2G and 3G

http://www.mobileguru.co.uk/acatalog/Twin_SIM.html

Does anyone have any experience of this one? Is it the same as the one on ebay?

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[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Accessories] Si_W:
From the picture and description looks very much the same as the one I have sitting on my table at home !
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Accessories] Mudstuffin:
lol - well hurry up and get cutting, I wanna know if it works :wink:
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Accessories] nforsans:
From the website it says:

"PLEASE NOTE: This Dual SIM Holder Does NOT work with phones with Battery as the Back Cover as it has no space for it."

I suspect it would not work on the TyTN then..

Any comment?
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Accessories] Mudstuffin:
It's actually the second one down that I was talking about - the one where you have to cut the sim cards up :)
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Accessories] wwaveydave:
So has anyone got one of these working with a Tytn (or other Hermes variants) yet?
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Accessories] a0-0b:
(second one down) Looks identical to the one i got from e-bay which is currently in my Vario-II, UMTS is working ok so i don't see any issues - other than the pound of sweat i lost cutting my nice new sim without knowing it would work!

Of course, your mileage may vary, and it's up to you if you decide to get the scissors out, no warranties implied, expressed and my address removed from the forum so you can never track me down ... ha ha ha ha ...
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Accessories] daddyo:
But the tytn doesn't have the battery as the back cover so it should be ok in this respect. Not sure if this holder will wrap round the battery ok though.

my battery cover is flimsy so squeezing a dual holder in may pop it off!

I'm using the second one on the page and so far it is not possible to switch via a menu or inputting a code. You have to turn the phone off via comm manager then it switches ok.
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Accessories] pof:
I finally received mine from ebay:

Dual Sim 10th Gen, Auto STK Menu, Universal holder cut

I put one 64K SIM and one 32K SIM on it, two different spanish providers (Vodafone and Movistar), it works perfect! :D

No problems with 3G: i've tested videocall and UMTS connection (getting around 320kbit) but not HSDPA as there is no coverage in my area.
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Accessories] nforsans:
how do you know if your sim is a 32k. 64k or 128k?

Are 3G sims 128k by default, and 2G 64k?
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Accessories] pof:
On my SIMs it is writen on the back side (plastic) of the SIM card.

I guess you can also know it by checking the amount of contacts you are able to store... but don't know specific details about it.

AFAIK it doesn't matter, this value just says the available memory the SIM card has (how many contacts / sms / etc... are you able to store on the SIM).
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Accessories] Pdanny:
I think it works or not???

Hi guys,

I bought a dual sim adapter from www.multimobile.nl witch looks quite similar to the cards I have seen sofar from E-bay.

Problem I have is that it works fine ie it starts up and goes to Sim1 quite nicely however if I go to the dual sim menu and press sim2 it does not switch...

Phone goes into flight mode and after a couple of seconds it logs Sim1 on again....????

Tried it in 3 other phones and works fine in them....

Any ideas?

Many thanks

Danny
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Accessories] rodalfa:
I bought also the 10-generation dual sim holder (vut) from ebay and one of the two sims didn't work. It was a prepaid 32K sim. The other, 64K contract of the same operator (Amena = Orange) worked perfectly.

They made me a copy of the old sim in a 64K sim, and started to work again.

Somebody has some applications to switch as a Today Plugin? I had one I toutgh worked but now I can't do it work...
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Accessories] pof:
There was the sim status switcher from Wivit, but AFAIK it only works with WM2003 devices.

I am using the STK to switch mine now, its a bit slower and ugly than a today plugin, but I can live with it :)
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Accessories] Pdanny:
Could anybody pls read my question and help me out?

I've got the impression that i have the same thing you guys have bought on e-bay but it still doesn't work on the TYTN .

It works on other phones though.....:confused:

Any ideas?

Danny,.
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Accessories] krestar:
Hi danny,

Have you check that your network selection is selected on "Automatic"?
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Accessories] Pdanny:
Yes its set to auto....

If I select SIM2 in the STK menu the phone goes into flightmode and after 15 20 seconds it logs SIM1 on again....

If I change the cards around same thing happens.....

In other phones it works like a charm...

I'm lost....:confused:

Danny.
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Accessories] Pdanny:
nobody?.......please?
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Accessories] Pdanny:
You would think there are more people around trying to get this to work......

Danny.
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Accessories] pof:
For me it's working perfect on TyTN, I bought the "Dual Sim 10th Gen, Auto STK Menu, Universal holder cut" from seller c.o.ver:

http://myworld.ebay.com/c.o.ver/

Need to switch from STK, but it works fine :)
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Accessories] Pdanny:
Just ordered it.....

We shall see :cool:

If it does I will have a sence of humor failure since I bought the first one for 25 euro and that p.o.s does not work.....

Now incl shipping and handeling it was 6.75 euro:mad:

But as long as it works I'm happy.....so finger crossed....

Danny
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Accessories] hknoener:
anyone make work any adaptor that don't have to cut the cards? I REALLY don't wanna to cut them, so if i need to do that, i won't.
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Accessories] datruth:
I got the dual sim (cut) 10th Gen twin card and a 8525

I have a Cingular 8525 and wonder if I need to unlock my phone and install a tytn rom in order to get this Super Twin Card 10th Gen to work with two Cingular sims.
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Accessories] rodalfa:
Hi,

I got this one also from the ebay, and I was testing it without troubles except... that it is very much BATTERY CONSUMING!!! By battery drawn completely in one day, when it usually takes 2 or 3... and moreover, without swiching the sims!!!

Has somebody the same problem?

(On the other hand, when I cutted one of the two sims it didn't work also, because it was quite old and 32k I think)
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Accessories] Pdanny:
I got it yesterday trough the post.........and...................yes it works....

Finally.

Only one small thing......when you click on your phone properties when it is on my Orange account it gives the number of the other one...:confused:

But that is detail.....most important is that it works....:D

D.
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Accessories] mihaixl:
It gives the number valid in the boot proces
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Accessories] trentend:
I've just bought this, and before I cut my sims I'd like to clarify a few points.

1. What is STK? Any information gladly received. Can I continue to use my today plug-in (I'm M3100 on orange, and quite fond of the orange interface).

2. Can I turn a SIM off (while leaving it in the phone) so that calls and incoming sms dont ring the phone.

3. Can I autoswitch so that incoming calls/sms on either sim alert the phone.

4. How do I define which sim is used for sending a text or making a call.

I appreciate this may be covered elsewhere, but I'm not able to find it and would like to ask the stupid questions so I know exactly what the situation will be when I have the two sims installed.

Thanks in advance for any help.
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Accessories] Pdanny:
STK is short for sim toolkit menu...

What is does is as soon as you put in de dualsimcard it will generate an extra menu called dual sim....

In that menu you can define your active sim.....and switch to the other sim when you want to...or you can tell the menu to auto switch every 0-99 minutes....

So you can only have 1 active sim at a time.

You keep all tour today plugins aswell full UMTS capability.

The only thing tou do is cut away acces plastic...wich you dont need.....

Works like a charm for me.....:D

Danny.
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Accessories] datruth:
Do I need to change the rom on my Cingular 8525?

......any help would be appreciated.:confused:
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Accessories] trentend:
Thanks for that Danny.

I have one other problem. The template for cutting my sim, provided in the box, seems to bear no relationship the the contacts on the card - ie I would be cutting accross the apparent contacts of the sim (newest generation) if I followed the cutting pattern. Surely this is wrong?

Are new generation sims the wrong size to work with this holder?

Is the cutting advice in the packet incorrect?

Obviously I'm a bit nervous about cutting across the contacts of my sim card....

Edit - operator information added:

It's an orange sim card (contract) and an orange sim card (payg) that I want to use. Anyone with any experience of latest issue orange sim cards in the UK?
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Accessories] john999uk:
Dual Sim Issue

Help

I have put a dual sim card in my SM3100 and can't get one of sims to work.

Its not a straight forward problem of the card broke. I have both a 10th (2 of) and a 13th generation adaptor's and I get the same issues with both.

The phone sees both cards (other is T-mobile and is always fine) and it picks up the number in the application that the card adds. I can even swap from one to the other and everthing looks fine, nice strong signal when they come up. The problem is when I try and make a call from my phone with the orange SIM I get an operation failed message.

This will be unconnected but I thought I would mention that it was working fine before my number was ported over and it does work now and again (say 1 in 15 goes) now.

I have put the sim in the resume card and it works fine.

Any thoughts?

Cheers
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Accessories] taguapire:
Hi,

I have a question about switch lines. Ihave ONE SIM card but it has 2 lines, How I switch between two lines?. I don't have a dual SIM adapter, just single SIM with two lines.

Regards,

Taguapire.
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Accessories] trentend:
Just as a follow up. I decided to buy myself a sim cutting tool. Which I duly used on two recent orange uk sim's. One payg, one contract. The dual sim adaptor recommended by pof did not recognise the sims at all.

I placed the sims in the resume sim blanks and both sims worked fine as before.

So I think this generation sim adaptor does have a problem with the latest orange sim cards, whatever their specification is.

I would very much like any recomendations from people who have any dual sim holder working with latest orange uk sims.
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Accessories] Pawlisko:
trentend - you probably have newest USIM card. I do have 64K USIM (3G) card from Cingular US (310-410 Prepaid) and have same problem. I does not work.

On my primary card T-Mobile US (310-260 Post-paid) no problems at all, also with other European cards - Orange PL (260-03 Prepaid) and PL PlusGSM (260-01 Prepaid) no problems.

Remember that STK on adapter disabled embeded STK on card, which may be needed to run SIM card.

I use 13th Generation Adaptor.
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Accessories] Pawlisko:
datruth - if you have new Cingular's USIM (3G) 64K cards - it will not work.

I've used 13th Generation Adaptor and brand new card. See my post #61 in this thread.
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Accessories] trentend:
I appreciate your feedback, could you clarify the following points for me?

"I do have 64K USIM (3G) card from Cingular US (310-410 Prepaid) and have same problem. I does not work." - even in your - "I use 13th Generation Adaptor."?

Could you also explain what you mean by this? "Remember that STK on adapter disabled embeded STK on card, which may be needed to run SIM card."

Thanks again for your help. I've no doubt a suitable solution will appear. I will monitor it. It's very important for me to get the two cards working on one phone.
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Accessories] Pawlisko:
AFAIR 13th Generation Dual-SIM adaptor [CUT] is the newest one. Guy I bought it from had on description of adaptor that it will work with SIM cards not 3G SIM cards.

3G SIM card is also know as USIM - thou mine prepaid 64kB USIM card from Cingular is not working.

That is why my assumption is that in future on next generation of adaptors it might work.

Here few of people reported that UMTS works, but this is about their cards, their are not USIMs but network allows them to use 3G services.

On one of my card I have STK putted by network operator. It gives me when I want it TV Schedule, GPS location, nearest movie theatre - it sends SMS to operator and it knew where I am, check against database and sends me via SMS answer. On other card I had STK which allowed me to easier use mobile banking - when you put your SIM card to adaptor STK on card is unavaliable.

My assumption is that maybe on USIM there might be hiden STK which is required by operator to work and STK on adaptor disables it so, there is internal problem and it does not want to work.
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Accessories] trentend:
Thanks for that. Very clear now. I will sit tight and pray. Cheers.
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Accessories] OdeeanRDeathshead:
I just got my super twin card, it is the same as the other cut ones and says it has the STK. My question is (before I cut or play with my sims) where is the STK? Will it just appear when I plug the sim in or is there supposed to be some disc or software that need to be installed before proceeding. My holder did not come with any other thing - can someone tell me please?
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Accessories] Pawlisko:
Let me explain it to you.

In twin card you will prabobly have black chip, by the cut corner - in which you have STK which controles which card is in use etc.

STK will apear in Programs - icon blue SIMcard, and name "Dual SIM card" - there is no software to install. This is what STK is all about - program inside SIM card what will work in almost all mobile phones.

If you have any other question fell free to ask :)
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Accessories] OdeeanRDeathshead:
Thank you for the info, I will get cutting now!

I had seen those blue sim icons before but had never looked at what they did, now I realize they are present on my post paid gprs account sim too.
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Accessories] OdeeanRDeathshead:
I have experimented and am disappointed. It took a bit of fiddling to get it to work because it needed more pressure to make contact.

The good news:

If the spongy sticker is applied and forced down it functions. I use one prepaid vodafone sim and one 3(three) full featured sim for their umts network. 3's sim had no markings to tell me about its type. With this setup I could switch between sims to make and receive calls using both networks.

The bad news:

There is a long delay between switching sim and being able to access phone settings. About 5-10 times normal on my device. umts functionality is not stopped. If I connect a page loads at high speed as normal for ~1 second, after that the network kicks me off. It seems like as the posts above suggest, something is missing on my device and the 3 network dose not want me on both its planet 3 or its internet while using the dual sim stk.

Its so agonizing because with the high speed of my connection I can see the pages loading before getting kicked. I could always just do several reconnects in a row by hitting the refresh button and get a whole page but that seems ridiculous.
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Accessories] Pawlisko:
trentend and OdeeanRDeathshead - Help might by on the way. I just bought new adaptor - expensive (30USD each) - supose to be SIM/USIM compatible.

I will keep you posted, when it will arrive at my place. Give me 1-2 weeks.
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Accessories] trentend:
Thanks Pawlisko, I'm still monitoring the thread. ;)
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Accessories] OdeeanRDeathshead:
Thanks, I am on holiday now so luckily I don't need it right away. I will keep watching!
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Accessories] trsoghier:
Dual Sims on Cingular 8525

I have recently purchased a Cingular 8525 and am getting tired of carrying two phones around. Is there a way to put both phone numbers on the 8525? I assume the basics would require unlocking and cutting up my existing sim cards but wasn't sure if there is a way to get both programmed onto one sim. :rolleyes:
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Accessories] Pawlisko:
trentend & OdeeanRDeatchshead - I guess that next week I will receive package, it was sent out from Hong Kong and it's right now probably in US Postal Service facility. So I hope that by 1/13/07 I will tell you if this new adapter is working.

trsoghier - answer for your question is complex.

a) you mentiones programing both numbers into one SIM card. It is called cloning and right now it is not possible with new cards. Problem is cypher algorithm. Only cards coded in Comp128v1 cypher could be cloned. Right now most of mobile operators moved to Comp128v2 or Comp128v3 or OTA or completly custom codes. It is not possible to code such a card without cooperation from operator employee who has access to MNC - so we rule this option out

b) Adaptors type II AKA "No-Cut DUAL SIM Adaptor". It is not possible to put such adaptor into TyTN. If you will do it, it will be seen. Besides most of adaptors mentioned before will not serve Cingular 3G SIM card AKA USIM.

c) Adaptors type I AKA "Cut DUAL SIM Adaptor". Only posibility right now to have 2 numbers in TyTN. Then still most of the adaptors will not serve Cingular 3G SIM card AKA USIM.

d) You will wait for new expensive card while it will came to me, see note for other guys and then you will know if it is possible to have 2 USIM cards working in your device.

About unlocking - first put second SIM card in your TyTN and if you will be asked for unlocking code then you will know that your device is SIM-locked. If it happens see forum for remedy, if not good for you.
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Accessories] trentend:
Cheers Mate, still monitoring. ;)
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Accessories] dcoelho:
Ok. I also have my dual sim. Now tell me: what tool have you used to cut the sims? which is more secure to avoid damage the SIMs? Thank you
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Accessories] Pawlisko:
dcoelho - I've used both methods

Cut out with scisors and with sim-cutter device. I prefare using sim-cutter because it is easier and shape is exactly as required to work with dual-sim adaptor.

Hope this helps
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Accessories] dcoelho:
Pawlisko: I am in Portugal and I have asked in all mobile stores in Lisbon and nooe has a SIM cuter. I know I can buy one in ebay or similar site but is a little expensive only for cutting 2 sim cards.

So, I have only the scisor solution and I risk to damage my sim cards.

Thank you and have agood new year.
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Accessories] pof:
I've stopped using the dual sim-adaptor and noticed a huge battery increase, with the cut sim-adaptor it was lasting 2 days... now with a normal 64K SIM lasts 4 days.
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Accessories] dcoelho:
I cutted a 5 Euro sim and I have damaged it.

No more tries cuting sims with a scisor or similar tools.

I'll continue using my old spv500 as 2nd phone.
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Accessories] Pawlisko:
dcoelho - if you will put back SIM card to your phone - is it working? Because it might me problem which trentend and OdeeanRDeatchshead mentioned. Some SIM cards (USIM) will not work with normal adaptor.
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Accessories] Pawlisko:
trentend & OdeeanRDeatchshead - package came. And I have good and bad news.

Good news - USIM is working. I can use my T-Mobile (SIM) and Cingular (USIM) card in device.

Bad news - Cingular should be UMTS/HSDPA endabled but when I try to connect to UMTS network it is not working. Phone is going crazy, have to soft rest it to make it working again.

I will contact with seller to see why my card is not compatible with UMTS.

Seller: http://myworld.ebay.com/garagesale125

You need to buy Type I holder card - like this one: http://tinyurl.com/urf57

Here is info about product from producer: http://www.a-men.com.tw/en-product.htm

Here is comparison of producers items: http://tinyurl.com/y2cb6k (PDF file)

It consumes battery less then other adaptors but still more then normal SIM card. More info soon.

Gold option gives possibility to clonning if you have all needed codes.
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Accessories] dcoelho:
No, I put the sim in the "resume" card and is not working at all.

Tha conclusion is that the risk of damage a SIM is very hight unless you use the proper tool.
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Accessories] trentend:
Thanks, I'm reviewing that, and trying to find out whether it should work for my orange sims.