yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[MDA III, XDA III, PDA2k, 9090 Software Upgrading] 2POINT8:
Just wanted to boast a bit:

I am using Helmi's Beta.

Everything is syncing nicely (same slow speed though).

Running Vista x64 Beta 2 Build 5384.

And Office 2007 Beta.

I wonder if this would have been a success using WM 2003?
[MDA III, XDA III, PDA2k, 9090 Software Upgrading] simjo:
I had Vista x646 & Office 2k7 beta 2 working a couple of weeks ago!

I was gonna try changing up to Helmi 1.1 beta if the system remained stable for a while but as usual after a couple of days of use it got very flaky, so I am now back to XP Pro and Office 2003.

Way too many Microsoft Beta's!!!

Still I am sure Helmi's will hold up just fine...Good luck to you!
[MDA III, XDA III, PDA2k, 9090 Software Upgrading] Biohead:
How did you upgrade to WM5?

Did you do that in Vista or XP? I'm running build 5472 and finding it incredibly hard to get the upgrade tool to work without activesync.
[MDA III, XDA III, PDA2k, 9090 Software Upgrading] 2POINT8:
I upgraded to WM5 in Xp 64. Not sure if it will work in vista, didn't try.

I think the ugrade tool will work w/o activesync i think.
[Samsung Galaxy S II Plus] fipil:
Hi

i cannot post in Galaxy S II Plus Android Development forum, so i'm asking here

i have CM11 installed, and there is a problem with handsfree car kit calls - is someone who trying to fix this

in Omnia ROM i read that there is fixed

i have tested with my car kit Sony Ericsson HCB-700, and doesn't work
[Samsung Galaxy S II Plus] DeKiesel:
IF i understood [MENTION=5456406]CoolDevelopment[/MENTION] right he knows how to fix it and will do so once he has some free time on his hands.
[Samsung Galaxy S II Plus] fipil:
if that so, can't wait :D
[Samsung Galaxy S II Plus] fipil:
sadly:( bug wasn't fixed in newest build #9
[G3 General] Billy Madison:
Guys, look at this

This is pathetic results for SD800. And the reason of so low bench results is absence of thermal pad on the SoC.

This was the case with first Nexus 4 http://xdaforums.com/nexus-4/general/hardmod-nexus-4-investigating-thermal-t2144652, the same is with Nexus 5 http://xdaforums.com/google-nexus-5/general/guide-nexus-5s-throttling-solved-adding-t2627714 and the same goes to LGG2.

I mean, when I spend $600+ for expensive phone I want it perform better than competitors' ones, I mean Xperia Z1, Note 3, Xperia Z Ultra. I what my bang for the buck

What do you think? Would you buy G Pro 2 or LG G3 if they will lack thermal grease too?
[G3 General] ChrisM75:
Benchmarks mean nothing, the phone runs fine and quickly, games play fine at good frame rates, so its pointless doing this.

Transferring heat away from a components thats designed to handle it to a component that isnt is a bad idea. You may not think the screen is getting heated, but there a layers of very insulating glass between you and the LCD, you wont be aware just how warm it is. Heat affects LCDs, in time you might end up with a dark spot where the CPU is.
[G3 General] mgolder:
What exactly is the "bang for your buck" that you require? What does the G2 not do for you that the Note 3 or Z1 does that is so crucial to daily life?

Because if it is just benchmarks, then as mentioned above, they mean nothing.
[G3 General] bachera:
not long ago the g2 rocked the benchmarks mwahhaha so there with your thermal grease
[G3 General] bweN diorD:
the kk update killed the bench score, i think mine dropped like 10k.
[G3 General] zathus:
Benchmarks are the worse thing to ever happen to android. You would think that the moto x with its "out of date" specs still running smoother then the s5 would prove once and for all that benchmark scores are pointless. I don't care if the note 3 or s5 put up record breaking omg wtf fml scores...it still lags and mine doesn't! Lol....

Sent from my VS980 4G

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To add to this.... lets say you bought 2 cars. Both cost the same, one car says 700 hp, 0-60 in 3 seconds. The second car has 300 hp, 0-60 in 6 seconds. But once you get on the road, the 300 hp drives better, feels faster in every way and gets much better gas mileage. There's what's on paper, and there's real life.

Sent from my VS980 4G
[G3 General] bachera:
but user experience increased a lot right? ui flluidness/ opening of apps?
[G3 General] bachera:
lol, I dont mind good benchmarks, there just arent any on android that measure fluidness/real life snappyness.

First! after the guy who doesnt like firsts.
[G3 General] bweN diorD:
i dont see it. my phone was snappy and fluid before the update, its the same now.

as for the benchmark comments. i agree to a degree that they dont mean a lot, but a 25-35% drop seems a bit extreme for an update.

seems like they boosted the benches to boost sales when it was new.
[G3 General] chaki-:
The fluidity and the battery are awesome. I love everything on that phone. Even if LG doesn't keep it updated it will still be one great phone that i own/ed...
[G3 General] Billy Madison:
I don't care bout benches, I care about what I paid for, and I use, as everyone else does, benches to prove that my item works as intended. Did you hear about lags when doing spherical panoramas? when phone overheats and process too long, longer than it must? It's the same story. Did you hear about "slow focus" in G2? Everybody did. Maybe it partly is because of early frequency drop, maybe not so.

And not only I care for benchmarks, look there http://blog.gsmarena.com/lg-g2-jelly-bean-vs-kitkat-benchmark-battle/
[G3 General] mgolder:
But you didn't pay for a device that guarantees you any particular score in artificially inflated benchmark tests though. No manufacturer will launch a device guaranteeing someone a set score all the time. So what is it that you think you should have that you haven't got now? I thin that is what we can't understand.
[G3 General] Billy Madison:
Man, I want it to not lag earlyer than do another smartphones. Did you hear of lags when playing Spiderman 2? I've heard that G2 is not capable of playing this recent new game smoothly, as device with SD800 should. OK I don't play Spiderman2 and did not by to play benchmarks, I only use benchmarks as examples that internally G2, Nexus 4, Nexus 5 do not constructed properly. And as I did http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=2299888 when I complained of improper color temperatures of G Pro LG reacted and made G2 display perfectly calibrated and on par with HTC One and iPhone 5S. So I think that in future G3 they'll do something with SoC cooling and improve performance when gaming for long time
[G3 General] bachera:
These things have nothing to do with benchmarks:

Did you hear about lags when doing spherical panoramas?Overheating can be many things, I have yet to find a phone that doesnt overheat sometimes. Usually a clean instal fixes this nicely. Its Android I guess and faulty install scenarios.

It's the same story. Did you hear about "slow focus" in G2? -> slow focus is the automatic focus, press on screen where you want focus and its almost instant. Google camera is pretty good. there are other settings that can tweak this.

That said, benchmarks in my opinion do nothing good for true user experience.

I do believe Android needs to step up on the user experience game as my comments above prove enough that this device, I say all android devices, need to much customization to be perfect. All these workarounds :) To fix these real issues that some users find anoying, not higher benchmarks are needed.
[G3 General] bachera:
lol, and does kitkat score less in that? didnt see you post scores once with that nor found your arguments on it.Stop trolling yourself and post some proof then.

so my arguments from that standingpoint still hold.

I also couldnt find it featured on any major android website, wonder why.

the one benchmarktool I dont know, its only got 33 reviews, hardly antutu level. wonder if its representative.

This could be a benchmark that actually does measure some important stuff I am talking about. Interesting. thanks for sharing

omg the downloading is soo slow wow
[G3 General] bachera:
ok ran the benchmark. but I am not impressed as it benchmarks with its own gui, not the actual phones gui. Also it doesnt benchmark the panorama shots or any camera shots for that matter.

I guess I wasnt wrong after all... sad was hoping big on this benchmarking tool to finally have a representative view of a gui from a user point of view.
[G3 General] abhinav.tella:
People, so upsest with benchmarks, its not like its a gaming computer/server where you squeeze every bit of performance regardless of powerdraw etc, its a phone lol, and its smoother than before KitKat.:) Xperia Z is a good example of benchmarks vs sucking in real life ex horrible battery life....
[G3 General] Billy Madison:
Well, from the user point of view you should your Gallery scroll, Zoom scroll, list scroll results. The gallery scroll is what fubar in LG's UI. It scores around 35-37FPS, right? But on the Nexus it scores 50-55 fps or near. All other scrolls on LG are pretty near 60 fps, so as on every other smartphone and all right with them. But gallery scroll is bad. Did you use Tapatalk ever? Have you noticed when you try to swipe from right to left to open next page the tapatalk just stagger, hangs for .5sec, and then completes the move? It shouldn't, scroll must be buttery as is in HTC phones

Check my hwbot prime score it is 1688 and compare to Nexus 5 scores that has same MSM8974A packed in LG box. 2923 points. pretty 50% increase just because of software, huh. Or the next result , 3075
[G3 General] abhinav.tella:
OK, since you mentioned it I did that and got 2745 in HBOT Prime which is not too far off from the N5.

As for HTC I agree, since the One X days they have gone pretty far, they are probably best Android manufacturer at Battery/Performance optimization IMO, and Sony is the worst.

My HTC Butterfly (Int DNA) with 2000 mAh battery lasts longer than the Xperia Z (2330 mAh) per charge. Sony Exmor cameras in iPhone and Galaxy S4 perform better than the Z1. At least LG aren't like Sony. :D
[G3 General] Billy Madison:
So, well, at least it is for me to think over, is it something wrong with my unit or its just my latest ROM with knock code has bad optimization, and it will be improved in future. Or, maybe, my PVS of 3 has to do with too early heating of SoC than yours CPU. Maybe you have PVS of 0 or 1
[G3 General] :
did you try a clean install with no recovery of apps/data?
[G3 General] Billy Madison:
I've come to conclusion that it's a issue of F320 ROM. Next update probably will fix it
[G3 General] Moscow Desire:
OK Folks, did a little thread cleaning. Mostly small time trolling and some minor flaming comments.

Sorry if some of yours got caught up in the cleaning process. Nothing personal folks.

Keep it clean and carry on.

Cheers

MD
[G3 General] abhinav.tella:
Lol, mine is the worst binned PVS 0, and actually 6 is best. So technically you have a better cpu than me, with lower voltage/heat though the heat part isnt always true due to other factors..

Maybe you have something constantly running in background, maybe a bad app?

Either way, I hear a second update is coming, with many fixes including knock code. Rogers Wireless in Canada and some in Europe already recieved it.
[G3 General] Billy Madison:
I never saw one with PVS 6, its worse binning and best is 0. The 0 and are most frequently spread, than 3. Never saw no one with 4 or higher

Nope, I have experience to sort such thing out. I even tried to stop thermal daemon, that SoC has noting to do with my low score, it's ROM

Mind you, mine is korean, it had got update with KnockCode and hiding navbar month ago. So I now sure that there's bug in that update and new one will fix it

Anybody heard of 4.4.3 Kitkat bugfixes ROM, BTW? Will it come to G2?
[G3 General] abhinav.tella:
pvs_bin 0/1/2/3/4/5/6 or slow/nominal/fast (current leakage)

Considering 0 requires greatest (mine) voltage and 6 the least, I think its safe to say 6 is best and should generally produce least heat , though other factors can affect that.

Most people I have seen have 2 or 3, my second G2 is a 3.

Here is the PVS Bin thread

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=2489998

But I agree, that is not the cause for your low score. Custom or stock ROM?
[G3 General] Billy Madison:
Seems like one and only pvs 6 here http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=48173313&postcount=41

(current leakage) is, as I think, heat leakage, so 0 heats slowest, but 6 heats fastest

Of course stock, I mentioned it. Latest with ability to hide navbar in any app
[G3 General] :
If you have tried clean installs and no restoring of backups and a variety of roms without breaking warrantee I think you should bring it back.

just for the record, how hot is hot? do you have any measurements in °c? You can use an app like cool tool or gsam battery monitor to see.

last you can do is if your cpu is constantly running high and creating heat then check whats running it so high via a setting in delevopment settings ( enable via hitting build version like 7 times). Forgot the setting name but once you see it, its pretty self explanatory.
[G3 General] abhinav.tella:
Go to any forum Nexus, One X, etc higher PVS bin is best because you need less voltage per given speed, look at voltage tables... which generally means less heat, my PVS 3 runs slightly cooler than my PVS 0...

Actually lot more complicated, has to do with process corners. Fast leakage cpu has faster timings to compensate. But yes it may or may not be better.

PVS 0 2.26 Ghz 1100mv

PVS 3 2.26 Ghz 1025mv

Im guessing your left with a ROM issue, since you have Korean version youre lucky at least updates wise.
[G3 General] trincisor:
You know mainframes are sold separately :)
[G3 General] Billy Madison:
Bump

Anyone care to post benches results to the whole perpetum tread?
[G3 General] Enddo:
that's funny

http://www.phonearena.com/news/LG-s...e-LG-G2-with-KitKat-versus-Jelly-Bean_id52889
[G3 General] ilogik:
Note 3 got a score of 1087976 on Anomaly 2 Benchmark. Considering that the G3 is pushing way more pixels I don't think the difference is that bad.
[G3 General] vimto25:
How do I find wat CPU I have ?
[G3 General] bweN diorD:
A CPU info app from the play store might be a good place to start.
[G3 General] CheesyNutz:
Roflmao people so hung up on number just use the phone

Some Place in rhe milkyway
[G3 General] Lostatsea23:
well the 800 and 801 are different (GPU clock wise)
[G3 General] Billy Madison:
[YOUTUBE]uS7FkKnFGB8[/YOUTUBE]

Not, this is most comprehensive review I've seen up to date. One can clearly see that all other tier A Sony-HTC-Samsung flagship devices are designed to cool CPU properly so to CPU not throttle like crazy. And only LG do not put proper cooling thermal pad onto CPU making it too hot just too soon under any load.
[G3 General] Billy Madison:
[YOUTUBE]YCpcEtokiJ0[/YOUTUBE]

Now this is becoming ridiculous to the point that G3 Prime Cat 6 still lags like he11 in Asphalt 8 even having adreno 420 onboard
[G3 General] helikido:
This is kinda bad
[G3 General] pre10c:
View attachment 2905324 so this is a good one i guess?
[G3 General] nico101:
Mine got PVS 7
[G3 General] kroat999:
Mine got pvs 9
[G3 General] liamR:
The PVS thing is BS, I had 3 different G3s 32GB with PVS 5,7,9 and I compared them, the 5 felt the most snappier and won the benchmark tests, on second place was the 9 PVS G3 and on last place was the PVS 7 (clean stock v10g rom same ambient temp and I repeated the benchmark tests 3 times on each device).
[G3 General] num1gever:
Just to cut out all of this benchmarks BS - Have anyone successfully eliminated throttling by putting a copper pad on the G3, as shown in the OP? Or maybe by applying thermal paste?

I think of trying the process myself, but wanted to see if anyone had already done it.
[G3 General] PrimaryComplex:
http://xdaforums.com/lg-g3/general/experimenting-hardware-mod-t2845220 2 of us have done it. You will probably get around +5000 from antutu so yes, it stops throttling to some extent.
[G3 General] helikido:
Bro the benchmarks have a very usefull a tribute.
[G3 General] xchasa:
Pvs 6 here.

Runs stable around 34 degrees with average use. Very happy.
[G3 General] helikido:
PVS 9 here and I average around 50c normal use.
[G3 General] crzygrmn:
Pvs 6

Runs at arround 36°c very smooth no lag no bugs for 18 days android 4.4.2 d852 v10b.

No updates yet in canada
[G3 General] hashcheck:
Wanting to try hardware mod next
[G3 General] Billy Madison:
http://www.xda-developers.com/android/lg-g3-thermal-throttling

Damp the LG G3 Thermal Throttling
[G3 General] FuPete:
Has anyone already done a hardmod? With a thin copper plate or something? ;)
[G3 General] bulletbeef:
thermal paste 10/10 recomend

I have added some thermal paste to my phone (a cheap, no brand name one) and the difference is night and day. the phone doesnt get hot any more, its cooler to hold and cooler internally as well/doesn't throttle as hard. my antutu scores are mostly between 38k to 41k. they used to be 26k - 34k. and no more lag. its a must!!!!!, my phone feels like a premium device now.

idle 41C antutu benchmark highest recorded 62C (repeated benchmarks)

Some of us who rooted with purple drake and have ui lag should restore to a stock 10c rom, and root with stump root.

10/10 recommend, would thermal paste again.

it is apparent that lg forgot to put pads in some of our phones. there is a gap there in the middle metal frame of the device, also the CPU is in a recess on the board so it may take a little more than a pea size to fill the space.

using LG G3 D851 T-mobile.
[G3 General] shaarky:
Can't someone post the photo guide maybe ?
[G3 General] Racer-1:
It's not that difficult. There are videos around. But you must be careful. The upper screw of the camera is shorter than the other ones and makes technically no sense because it's just for looks.

What do you think is better: thermal pad or paste?
[G3 General] goxi87:
Disassembly guide for LG G3

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sNymIdIXTyI

I put thermal paste, the images below. I noticed that the CPU cools a little faster and needs more time to thermal throttling kicks in. Otherwise heat and also in performance is more or less similar, little better with thermal paste.. It would be great if the LG implemented the cooling as Sony Xperia Z3 has copper heatsink.

Sorry for my bad English. Greetings
[G3 General] KamikazeRO:
seriously? thermal compound? on a phone? tell me more about it... please.

like how will that affect the cooling process? hmm? especially since phones have no damn cooling system?

in order to be effective the thermal compound has to be between a hotter component and a cooler one. in a phone which is the cooler one? NONE! because a phone is too small.
[G3 General] goxi87:
The point of this is that the heat of CPU is spread on the mid frame of the phone housing. As I said it would be much better if there is a copper heatsink to conduct heat away from the processor.
[G3 General] gianrond:
I did this hard mod this morning with a 0.5mm thermal pad. (just the pad...no copper foil)

I'll let you guys know what's the difference in term of cpu temperature as well as throttling.

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Guys...this mod is a must.

Under full load, with thermal throttling disabled, the temperature came off from 81 c to 53c while playing and from 85c to 66 with Antutu.

Impressive. My device runs over 25 celsius cooler than it used to!!

The screen? It doesn't get hot. Just a bit warm under load, but this also happend before.

10/10!

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So...

Before the mod with thermal throttling disabled:

Antutu Score: 43700

Antutu temp: 85c

Gaming temp: 81c

Before the mod with thermal throttling enabled:

Antutu Score: 43500

Antutu temp: 76 max, then thermal throttling

Gaming temp: 68/70c, then thermal throttling

After the mod (thermal throttling enabled)

Antutu score: 46150

Antutu temp: 65/66max, zero thermal throttling

Gaming temp: 53 mac zero therma throttling

This is just amazing. My device now runs over 20 celsius cooler than before, and thermal throttling doesn't happen at all.
[G3 General] xTristinx:
I love your analogy but there is no way in hell that i would choose a 300hp car over a 700 hp one. (actually been in the situation but with 300-500. Funny part was fuel consumption is about on par) but in terms of phones it completely different. Ive pprobably had my best android experience with the lower end , more supported devices such as the moto g and nexus 4!
[G3 General] iNeri:
Hi guys.

which method will work better?

Thermal paste (cooler master or artic) + cooper blade

or

Thermal pad?
[G3 General] Billy Madison:
I think copper blade + Noctua NT-H1. I bought copper blade for my G2 but not installed it yet
[G3 General] arebokert:
Did you ever get around to installing it?
[G3 General] BlackSportD:
This mod plus CM 12.1 nightlys- fast and smooth, thanks OP.
[G3 General] Knowbody42:
When I disassembled and cleaned the motherboard of my G4 after accidentally taking it into a pool, I noticed the Snapdragon CPU had this sticker over it.

It didn't seem like it would transfer heat particularly well to the metal frame, so I bought some 0.5mm thermal pads and cut a square out to put on the CPU.

It seems to have made a significant difference just from the amount of heat I can feel.

The thermal pads I bought are Alphacool Eisschicht 0.5mm 14W/mK: https://www.pccasegear.com/products/32433

There's also a 17W/mK version, but it costs significantly more.

I'm also not sure how much difference there would be between the one I bought and other cheaper ones.

I'm guessing it would be not nearly as much as the difference between having a thermal pad and not having one.
[G3 General] Invicta:
guys, 1.00 mm or 0.50 mm?
[G3 General] Knowbody42:
I used 0.50mm
[Moto G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Krisshp:
Does Moto g have DLNA?

thanks
[Moto G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] slogger001:
no

no dlna and no MHL over USB :(
[Moto G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] mrcorey:
https://forums.motorola.com/posts/428c5c4c37

Maybe

Sent from my Moto G
[Moto G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] tatazeuz:
Just download BubbleUnNP from the Play Store, and you can stream any media via DLNA.

https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.bubblesoft.android.bubbleupnp
[Galaxy S 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] riso123:
Hi,

Does anyone know if it's possible to change the soft menu key so you don't need to long press for the menu?

Rich
[Galaxy S 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Corwin9S:
hi. use "gravity box". look here for posts regarding it : http://xdaforums.com/search.php?searchid=268837065
[Galaxy S 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] riso123:
Yeah I'm already using it, but can't find an option to change the menu key so it brings the menu up instead of the task list.
[Galaxy S 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] riso123:
Never mind, found it now. Cheers mate.
[HTC Desire V] legend92no1:
I got OTA update for my Desire V, it from ASIA(Vietnam), for specific details in this update:

baseband version: 1.10.34D.17_20.26.30.27U

build number: 1.73.727.1

My phone quite slow performance, thus I want to ROOT my phone. But all the tutorial not for my baseband.

How the way can I ROOT my phone?

Please reply my question. Thank you so much for supporting.
[Sony Xperia L] leonardlidwin:
Can we use 4G on our phones???
[Sony Xperia L] `epiee`:
no , our chipset didnt support 4G Band
[Sony Xperia L] leonardlidwin:
owh thx
[Sony Xperia L] przemek4113:
Edit:

Oh, sorry forgot my comment.By saying 4g you mean LTE.Yeah msm8230 chip doesn't support it :(
[Sony Xperia L] leonardlidwin:
how do you do it???
[Android Apps and Games] banzay-tt:
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