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[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 5] greyhulk:
So your excuse for camera lag is that it's not the main function of the phone? Really? That's what you're going with? If making calls is the main priority, then you don't really need a smartphone, do you? Might as well go get a flip phone. For the rest of us, camera is most certainly a priority on a modern smartphone that costs almost $700 and given that competing devices do not experience the same kind of lag in the camera and gallery, our expectations of better performance are hardly unrealistic.

I love when people say "if you want a better camera, get a DSLR. This is a phone". Right. My phone is my GPS, camera, messaging device, phone, and fitness tracker. And it's the only device I have to carry to accomplish all those things. This is basically the point of a smartphone and you seem to be missing that.

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I have the same apps installed on my GS5 that I do on my Note 3 and HTC M8. I tested it yesterday and launching the camera from the lock screen took NINE seconds (it should take 1-2 max). Tapping on the most recent pic to view it from the camera viewfinder took FIVE seconds. Unlocking first and launching the camera from the home screen takes 6-7 seconds. Even the messaging app is slower than it should be to launch, considering how often it would be used.

This does not happen on any of my other phones. Not to this extent. And given the hardware on this phone, there's no excuse other than poorly written software. This is lag. You're entitled to be happy with your device, but at least take off your blinders and acknowledge the performance issues. Ignoring them does not make them go away.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 5] cstayton:
Well, you basically answered your questions, "I have the same apps installed on my GS5 that I do on my Note 3 and HTC M8" I just ran through the exact same tests as you mentioned:

1. Launch camera from lock screen -- Less than 2sec

2. Tapping on most recent pic in camera app -- less than 2sec

3. unlocking and launching camera -- roughly 2sec (did this twice)

i used a stop watch on my PC to time the different steps, so again I'm going to point to something your doing, something you installed, or some setting you changed. if you are comparing TW to HTC Sense or a CM or AOSP variant on your M8 that isnt even a fair comparison let alone a valid one. i have no customizations on any of the devices i tested against.

The whole problem with reporting "lag" is the fact that it is extremely subjective and is rarely compared accross like devices. my perception (IMHO) is that there is no more lag on this device considering the specs behind the hardware than there was on the S3 when it was purchased giving consideration to the hardware.

What it all boils down to is if you arent happy with the device take it back and get a different device, no one is holding a gun to your head forcing you to use this particular smartphone.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 5] greyhulk:
Do you have an SD card installed? Because that's literally the only thing I can think of. I have a class 10 32gb card with a lot of data on it. It's not something I have installed. My apps are fairly minimal and I have turned off most unnecessary services and frozen the AT&T bloat.

I like the device overall, but the lag drives me crazy. It made me get rid of my GS4. My Note 3 has been good, other than occasional power button lag. I was expecting better performance from the GS5 with a Snapdragon 801, frankly.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 5] norbarb:
I'm sorry that you need phone for all of this. I got GPS in my head, photographic memory, I know how to count to more then 5, i like to meet people to have more fun not text them. That what i think i will get flip phone. Thanks for pointing this.. :).
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 5] greyhulk:
Cool story, bro.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 5] cstayton:
that is one thing i don't have, i do have one that i can install tonight when i get home it may well be the actual sdcard slowing the system down, in the PC and Server world the drive speed is determined by the slowest attached device so if you have two drives one 7200rpm and one 5400rpm attached to the same bus both will operate at 5400rpm. my guess is that with the SoC the same will apply, the system may be hobbled by the need of the apps to check/access through the slower speed of the external sdcard.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 5] greyhulk:
You know, it's possible. It would explain why the camera and gallery are most affected. And my Note 3 does seem to be faster now that there's no SD card in it. What's odd is that I have an SD card in my M8 and it doesn't have any of these issues. And it's not like it's a slow card: It's a class 10!
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 5] smknutson:
Look at all the fun were having
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 5] trichert:
How is this still being debated? Use an M8 for a day then use an S5 for a day. The S5 has tons of small lags doing the same functions that the M8 does despite a slightly faster processor. This is not a perception issue, this is a fact. Every reviewer has agreed, those of you defending the S5 as having no lag, have never used a non Samsung phone.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 5] cstayton:
OK, first off READ MY SIGNATURE, I came from HTC Devices to Samsung.

Second, I did compare the S5 to an M8 that's why I chose the S5.

Third, It is debates (Just like this one) that leads to the determination of the cause of said "Lags" whether perceived or real.

And last but not least, Apparently you haven't read the whole thread your statement "Every reviewer has agreed," proves it, because if you did you would see that there are several replies contradicting that very statement.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 5] cstayton:
Ok, I tested with a Class 10 16gb SDcard last night, ran the same tests as before.

And the lag was apparent in all three scenarios, (still IMHO not unaceptable) but definite increase in time to respond, i also tested polaris office as well (Polaris is well known for being laggy and a memory hog) and opening a 5 page document from internal memory took 5+ seconds, opening the same document from the Class 10 SDcard took 9+ seconds.

SDCard is a SanDisk 16GB SDHC Memory Card Ultra Class 10 UHS-1

I think I will walk over to officemax today and pick up a PNY Class 10 see if there is a difference.

Good catch on the External SDcard [MENTION=1488930]greyhulk[/MENTION]
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 5] acPIZZA:
Web browsing feels snappier on the s5 than the m8. I currently have both and am trying to decide which to return.

I love the m8, but there is something about the samsung camera and the security of the water resistance that is making me like the phone...
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 5] greyhulk:
I took my SD card out for today to test. So far, camera and gallery do launch faster. It would be a huge bummer if the SD card is the cause, though. There's nowhere near enough internal storage on this phone for me.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 5] sk8trix:
I guess that's why I don't experience lag, I own a 64gb sandisk. My phone us lag free and so far I can say its the first device where I don't feel the need to have to limit the amount of background apps and services turned on. I have gps,Bluetooth and NFC on all day and still make it to the end of the day at 30-40 %
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 5] FunkALunk:
I have had a problem when receiving call with the screen off. It won't respond to touch to let me answer until it between 2-3 rings in, then it will finally work and let me pick up the call.

I don't know if it's software or hardware related, and if anyone has any idea what might be happening, I appreciate it. Other than that, everything else seems to runs fine. Maybe a small pause here and there, but nothing too terrible. When the S4 came out, it had some similar behavior, but when they pushed a few updates, it just got better. I expect the same with this.

Just have a little patience. If the device had been out for 6 months and had the issues people are complaining about, then it would be different. If you don't like it or can't wait for an update, you still have time to return the device and pick up something else. No worries.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 5] Br4nd3n:
Not true, I came from the sony Z1 and S4. I used the M8, Note 3, and S5 before deciding on this device.

You can buy the ASUS ROG g750 with the 860M and the new gen I7 quad core and still experience slight lag with certain things, same thing goes for these beefed up phones. Nothing is working at the speed of light people!

I will say this, this device is much faster than the S4 with a way more defined and speedy TouchWiz. I only experience slight lag on things I know will lag, any phone junkie should know these things.

Im surprised to say this, but I am very much enjoying this device without root and Nova launcher even though I'd like root, I am patient enough and enjoy the phone enough to wait for it.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 5] Lostatsea23:
What? Lol I have a video I took with my dslr that showed the horrendous lag my galaxy s5 had when I had it... The stock browser is terrible. Chrome is okay but still not as fast as it should be considering the specs.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 5] acPIZZA:
You took video footage of this?

I didn't run any scientific tests or anything, Chrome just seemed to flick around faster on the s5.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 5] Lostatsea23:
Yeah. Was contemplating doing a video review of the s5 but couldn't keep it long enough as it was driving me mad. Literally went back and forth between the m8 and the s5 for a week and decided to take a lesser camera and no waterproof for a better build and speed
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 5] surf1:
There must be some flawed phones in production, another thread had some people saying they had 1-2+ seconds lag. Not here, mines is fast and smooth, no lag. Press home or multi and it's as snappy as my iPhone 5S, no 2+ second delays like others have mentioned. Browsing in Chrome is slick and smooth and fast, I used to use stock on my S2 as it worked better than Chrome but stock was fine for me on the S5 I just use Chrome now as whatever glitches it had on the S2 are gone. Apps etc open fast, just as responsive as my 5S. I used an M8 at the store and a friend has one too, there basically the same, I don't see any lag difference. Friends S5 is same as mine too, no lag. Neighbor has a Note 3, no problem there either. I liked the M8 but it was bulkier, camera wasn't near as good (friend downloads or uploads pics off the camera huge difference vs the S5), and its not water proof which is important to me since my S2 suffered death by drowning off the boat lol.

And believe me I know lag as I remember my S2 before I rooted and flashed a rom. And I swear when i used an S4 it seemed worse than my S2.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 5] thebehemoth73:
I believe that a stripped down s5 without any bloatware runs how it is suppose to run, I believe that with all phones. With all the Crap that the carriers put on these phones seriously slows them down. The only problem with rooting and installing custom roms is you disable too many things from TouchWiz which can cause problems and crash. I love all the features from TouchWiz but man its a resource hog.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 5] cstayton:
What? In one post you say you did a video with your dslr showing the lag, and in this post you say you were contemplating it? Really? which is it? if you switched to the M8 then why are you still here? in case your lost here is the link to the M8 forums, HTC One M8 Forums on XDA

Bye now.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 5] twiggums:
Heaven forbid any other users visit this forum...
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 5] Lostatsea23:
I said I was going to do a review. I still have the footage just didn't do a review on the phone. Learn to read please.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 5] chucky_93:
No lag here! Smooth as butter! :thumbup:
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 5] WizeGuyDezignz:
Why are M8 owners and people who hate the lag still here? I really hope we see a day in our lifetimes where people will realize that these are just phones and it's not very serious at all in the grand scheme of life.

It is a phone and there are plenty of choices. People stress in here like Samsung are the only phones available and Samsung is holding a gun to their heads to use only their phones.

If you don't like the phone, simply move on to another phone, forum and enjoy life. It's not life and death.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 5] skyrocketeer:
The lag is there, as it is in any phone. However is it negligible in my usage.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 5] twiggums:
Maybe those "M8 owners" have an interest in the S5? Perhaps their spouse has one? Or possibly they've got something to add to the discussion? i wasn't aware this was a closed forum. If people would detach their feelings and ego from their phone they might not get so offended at someone saying a phone has lag :). I asked my wife and she said she's had no lag on her S5, but to say that just because she doesn't experience it no one does would be sort of silly :-p. To be honest it sounds like the lag is caused by the phone accessing resources on the SD card, but it seems people are more interested in arguing, finger pointing, and denying, than troubleshooting. :(
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 5] surf1:
I still don't understand why some are saying they have lag, and others aren't. I have no lag on my S5 nor does a friend, everything works promptly, opening apps is prompt, home button and multi is almost instant, browsing is buttery smooth. Other friend has an M8 and I still have a 5S and 5, really no difference, maybe fractional ‰ of a second but basically unnoticeable. Definitely not the multi second lags some people are saying. Yet some dingbat on here said it's there and I won't admit it b/c I'm apparently an Android sheeple..... must have missed the fact I own a 5S and 5 lol

I disabled bloat but didn't really see any difference there, speed or battery life wise. So if this is true, then maybe Samsung has some glitches in software effecting some phones and not others? I sure as hell don't have a 2+ second delay with home button or multi like some said they had. Then you have people saying they used a Note 3 and it didn't lag vs their S5, well neighbor has a Note 3 and there's no difference between our phones, so go figure lol
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 5] Lostatsea23:
A lot of people who are say I g theirs no lag don't know better. Own something like an HTC one or a nexus and then tell me there's no lag. Anyways the s5 is a good phone but no root right now is killer lol
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 5] surf1:
Reading comprehension much? I said have a iPhone 5S and 5 unless iPhones are considered laggy now :rolleyes: I think I know what lag is considering I had an S2 and remember what it was like before rooting and flashing and I have a Tab 3 that has some lag here and there, and I had an Nexus for a short while before selling it as the phone is gimped by the camera and useless daily with the horrible battery life even with a rom. And I said a friend has a M8 and I used an M8 at the store. No difference here nor on friends S5. Plus you have people saying the S5 lags but the Note 3 doesn't, funny, my neighbor has a Note 3 like I said and there's no difference between hers and mine. Some said they have a 2+ second delay pressing home button or mutli, guess what, mine nor friends has that delay, care to explain that or for the others on here that don't have that lag/delay either? Ears are awaiting. I press home or multi and it opens fast, same for apps, almost instant, if this is laggy, then apparently my iPhone are laggy... you know the phones everything is still benchmarked too for smoothness and speed.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 5] Lostatsea23:
Maybe different chip manufacturers or a bad flash when it came from the factory ? No clue. All I can say is it was laggy for me and I've had two of them
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 5] surf1:
Hence exactly why I was wondering if theres some manufacturing defect or differences. There's no reason I can think of otherwise why mine is fine, friends is fine, and some others are reporting bad lag. Guarantee if my phone had lag I'd be pissed and posting about it or had returned it by now. Plus you have people saying theirs lagged but the Note 3 was fine, well mines just as responsive as my neighbors Note 3 so there goes that theory lol
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 5] Lostatsea23:
Yeah my note 3 didn't lag as much so that's strange. I thought it was maybe the fact that there was so much bloat but I disabled many apps and still...
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 5] Simer03:
Ya gotta remember these reviewers have used every phone so its gonna be noticeable when you're used to one device and then the next device they try out isn't as speedy Or responsive. I like this phone but it definitely is laggy compared to a phone like the Nexus 5 which was a god send with fluidity and smoothness but the s5 isn't slow by any means!

sent from my Galaxy S5
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 5] Ricardo Cheing:
You guys must be high on the Samsung Koolaid!

You have got to be kidding me if anyone has not noticed any lag whatsoever on their S5's. Maybe it's my unit, but it lags like crazy! Whenever I try to open Isis it takes a long time, anytime I browse a website with Chrome the page will stutted while I scroll though it and in some cases freeze for like 10-15 seconds before I'm able to scroll. The camera has a delay opening at times. Even scrolling through the app drawer will lag sometimes.

I am not running any crazy configuration. I have the animations turned on as well as S-View and Gestures. I'm syncing Gmail and 2 Exchange accounts but in settings it seems to list all the other apps I've logged onto. I don't usually close my apps and I use email, facebook, maps, gosms, etc... Nothing that lingers around and uses up CPU cycles and memory. I wish I can get you guys a video, especially of the webpage lag. I will try and update this post with a link to a video I will shoot tonight.

If no one else's device lags then it must be my device. There are some that will tell me to close all my apps and/ or turn off some settings, but why should I? The company I work for just gave AT&T\ Samsung money for a phone that will work fine out of the box, especially one that touts their quad core performance and 2GB of RAM. I should not have to workaround Samsung's inefficient developing of Touchwiz.

Even my old iPhone 5 not even the S, seems just as fast as this slow phone I have - and I can't even compare them hardware wise because their is no point in doing so. I never even had to close apps on the iPhone or turn off the animations, it still felt faster than this phone. However, when it works it's a wonderful phone full of features that Apple should have included in their phones.

Now don't anyone tell me to go back to the iPhone because if I could, I wouldn't be wasting my time posting this rant on this forum. Basically my 32GB iPhone 5 broke and my company's policy allows for either an iPhone 5S 16GB or Galaxy S5 16GB replacement. Between the two of them, I rather have the Galaxy S5 because I can expand it's memory, but even in memory expansion this phone sucks. I just found out that KitKat restricts the apps from moving to external storage so basically I'm stuck using external memory for pictures (which I don't really take). My main reason for wanting to install apps in external and needing an iPhone 32GB in the first place is because I am a student pilot and the ForeFlight FAA charts take up a lot of room.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 5] surf1:
are people even reading what I or others wrote lol. I have no lag whatsoever, I too have used plenty of Androids and even owned a Nexus for a short while before flipping it on CL. And I still own an iPhone 5S and 5. I know what Android lag is, used to own an S2 and own an Tab 3. Friend has an M8. Neighbor has a Note 3. So if the Note 3 has no lag like some S5 users say, how come mine is as responsive, I have no delay when pressing home or multi, or opening apps, period. If I had a 1-2 second lag like some said they had I'd post about it and be passed, believe me lol.

I just texted another friend who upgraded from his Nexus other day and says his is fine as well. There must be a software or hardware defect, I would notice if there was bad lag especially over our iPhone 5S.

See I have none of those issues but some do, my camera sure as heck doesn't have the lag you described as I use it daily. Don't use gestures so not sure there. Sync all on especially since I email like crazy, only thing I have off is blue tooth unless I need it. I disabled s-health etc, all the AT&T bloat etc but honestly didn't see a difference there or battery life difference.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 5] Simer03:
Lag could mean a lot of different things to different people.....to me lag is slow responsiveness. I always loved how fast the nexus could switch between apps, u literally could press the button and quickly press the app and keep doing it really fast and it'd keep up....on the s5, that's not the case, it takes a micro second longer to display the recent apps and sometimes if u touch the app too fast it'll close the recent apps instead of going the app. Something I've noticed but everyone's different.

I certainly am not returning this phone because of a micro second tho... I made money switching to this phone so eff it haha. But also stock KitKat is way faster than sense or touchwiz so that's a big factor too

sent from my Galaxy S5
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 5] g2tegg:
It's funny. I've been using a Note 3 for a few months, rooted with a custom TW firmware. I recently took out my old M7 and realized how much faster and smoother the user experience is. I am not talking about how fast a app opens, as I am comparing a S600 vs a S800 chipset. The Note 3 clearly has much more power. Yet TW still stutters, even with 3GB of ram. Hell, even overclock and it still skips.

The same is with the S5. People who claim there is no lag haven't used a M7/M8 or a Nexus 5. Its pathetic that people have to wait for a custom rom or kernel to get their device operating as it should be. This is why I am skipping out on the S5 all together (for the record I have used one, on several occasions). That and absolutely no development yet. Samsung continues to disappoint, and reminds me a lot like Apple.

Those little "hiccups" that so many people are actually accepting, take a look at this video. This ties into the fluidity of the OS, and how much smoother the M8 is. One thing not mentioned here is how much faster opening up the recent apps opens up on the M8. Also, the S5 will shut down apps in the background while the M8 keeps a lot more open at a time.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nQDcfrBS6-c

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[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 5] garwynn:
Thread cleaned.

Leaving open for now as there are always observations and discussions to be had on UI performance but flaming or allowing this to turn into a fan ("My device is better than yours") thread will not be tolerated. Please troll elsewhere if that is your intent.

Thread will be closed if gets out of hand again.

Thank you.
[Verizon HTC One (M8)] putney1477:
Ok, so I can do the EDGE program and get the M8. I have been reading and reading just about everything here. I am coming from an S3, and before that I had an HTC Rezound which I loved (love the S3 too) I just remember it being a little tricky to get S off on the Rezzy.....paperclip and timer needed. I was never able to do it. I was able to unlock through HTC Dev, but I understand that is not possible for this phone.

I am not all that good with adb etc.I know just enough to get into trouble :) I have been flashing phones and tablets for years, only one HTC tho (and I really didn't need s off at the time) The 3 samsung phones I have had in the past, Fascinate, Droid Charge and the S3 were fairly simple to root and flash roms.

I guess I'm just a little nervous about the commands and putting the files in the correct folders. One of the main reasons I want this phone is because of the removable memory (hard to come by these days) and the fact that I can still mod my phone. Any help you guys can give would be greatly appreciated :)

Thanks!