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[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 5] blackwrx02:
You said it in your own post. Most people (customers) don't know a damn thing about their device, and honestly don't want to. I used to be an AT&T COR rep. There is no need for this depth of training to sell a phone to a middle-aged mom who wants to take pictures of her son at soccer practice. Its not practical for AT&T to spend the time and money to develop and implement training for something that 95% of the customer base doesn't care about. I had maybe...maybe 2 or 3 customers who knew anything about their phones. I tried to educate but most of the time just got the deer in the headlights look from the customer.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 5] slapdaddy:
On my S4, any change to a file or an addition/deletion of a file in any system directory would trip this screen. I did a massively complicated removal procedure for Syscope then flashed AOSP and never had to deal with it again....ever. The hate I have for that screen.......
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 5] rachelm920:
LOL this reminds me of when I went into the AT&T store with my S3 with a CM variant on it... and the rep I got was all excited and happy that I modded my phone
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 5] Br4nd3n:
I'm not 100% sure but I think the reason that's happening is because TouchWiz is built to run on Dalvik, ART is experimental on the OS which trips the phone to thinking it's been modified (hence showing custom).

This happened to me on my S4, I had Task650 AOKP on it (AMDL Firmwire). The rep told me "It's not possible to get any sort of AOSP variants on this device, how did you do it!", I believe he thought all the firmwire's were the same and possibly just knew of SafeStrap. So I replied "Magic.". He didn't ask any questions about it after that, he just applied my screen protector.

Made me laugh.. :laugh:
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 5] Christopher3712:
Side note, other than just custom firmware, it's always fun when you get a rep that never understands the phone's full capabilities... dsploit in an AT&T store is always good for a laugh.

I miss root. :(
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 5] ArgareVarg:
Don't even get me started about bestbuy. Most of the employees don't know where anything is. Let alone what it does.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 5] Scott:
Hahaha, thats funny. You made me chuckle with that.

I dont work for AT&T, or any wireless provider... But I do know math...

AT&T 4th Quarter 2013 revenue was up nearly 2%. Keep in mind this was after they started locking down phones like the Note 3 and the S4. Citation 1: HERE.

AT&T has 110+ MILLION subscribes... Thats just under 1/3 of the entire US Population. Citation 2: HERE. Citation 3: HERE.

To think in Q42013 they added 1.2 Million new wireless customers (See Citation 1)...

I dont think they are worried about the very few that can root. If we go else where it will still be less than a small drop in the bucket. As a matter of fact, I would say it would be less than .01% of all the new contracts they added in Q4-2013 (alone). That would be a total .0001% subscribers from the entire base. I calculated these numbers at a total of 12,000 people that would leave because they cant root and I think that is very generous. You would be lucky to have 1,200 people leave because of that.

I just wanted to intermix facts with this conversation... Didint mean to dilute it :p

Anyways, just stopping through to see if the S5 was unlocked and reading this thread tells me no. How sad... :(
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 5] GoombaVinnie:
I don't think you understand how expensive it would be to train all at&t retail employees on all the functions on every new mobile device released each year. I am a construction splicing tech and I don't receive specific training on things. It would be nice but most retail employees don't care to learn that aspect of the job. It does nothing to enhance their career.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 5] TheSheibs:
I would think that they want to be good at their job and therefore do the research on their own to know about th r things they sell.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 5] norbarb:
What career ?

BTW is always good if you go to At&t store and you have to inform At&t representative that if you phone is stolen IMEI can be block so phone is useless. I was trying to sell my S4 and we (guy who want to buy and I) went to store to confirm that IMEI is not black listed and transfer phone to buyer account. Rep did not know this...lol
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 5] Xandlinger:
Did you have an actual sales rep or the greeter? Wouldn't be surprised if the greeter didn't know, but an actual sales rep would know.

And careers can start from the bottom, you know. A sales rep can become a store manager and a store manager can become a retail leader and so on. Sure it doesn't happen often, but it has happened. A sales rep with AT&T who has AR modicum of selling skills can easily make 60k+. The good ones can easily make 75-85k depending on market. Absolutely nothing to scoff at.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 5] twiggums:
How often do you think that happens? It would be cost prohibitive to train all employees on that, and then on top of it expect them to remember it for the ~%1 of the time it happens. Perhaps the person you talked to did get trained on it, but forgot. I hear what you're saying, and empathize, but truth is it just doesn't happen enough, and is so far and few in between that it'd be wasted time and money most likely. Most of those who are wanting to commit fraud dont want' to step foot into a store with a person face to face to activate a stolen device, they're gonna do it online or over the phone, so then when they're caught they can just disconnect. Who's to say a career can't happen at AT&T?
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 5] composi:
(((EDITED))) Apparently people think I was angry when I wrote this. Not the case. I chose to eliminate this post in order to avoid any more drifting from the subject of the OP's post.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 5] nbrent1007:
Nice story bro. Sounds like you need therapy
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 5] twiggums:
Never had a bad day? ;) Probably not the best place to snap, but it happens!
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 5] composi:
74 posts in almost 4 yrs, I can only imagine the contributions you've made based on this response...lol
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 5] scott14719:
I see your point about the extreme stuff, but if the people that sell the phones don't know about them then who is supposed to? All of the stuff you mentioned is the employees responsibility to know. It's supposed to be what they do. Why shouldn't an employee doing that job not know how to handle the situations that involve the item that the company they work for sells? Are they just supposed to walk around shrugging their shoulders saying, "I don't know...why are you asking me about this?" If I have a question about a car I expect the dealership (and more precisely the sales person) to be able to answer it.

And let's not forget, we're not talking about super-secret, high-level, developer stuff here. We are talking about the everyday behaviors of these devices. The "custom" and unlock icon has been common place since at least the S4...and root has nothing to do with it. If someone working in an AT&T store feels like they shouldn't have to deal with customers and devices maybe they should rethink their employment situation.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 5] composi:
I get what you're saying, however your analogy, in my opinion, is wrong. It is NOT the same as going to a dealership and asking about a car. We sell a service, and the phone is a way to access that service. A dealership sells a car. You don't call Sirius Satellite Radio's customer service asking why your "check engine" light is on, because Sirius is a service, not the device being used to access said service. You have a warranty for a reason.

Trust me, I wish I had more co-workers who took an interest in what they do, because it would erase some of that negative perception customers such as yourselves have of us. I won't lie, the average rep uses the information given by the company, which is the information used in the selling of the devices. For simple troubleshooting, there are steps, and then we have a dedicated tech support division for the more "advanced' issues. Now if the unlock icon was a product of faulty 4G LTE signal, for example, then yes, without a doubt that is our responsibility because we offer that service.

By the way, I edited the previous post...more misunderstandings than benefits.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 5] PS4AndroidHacker:
I work for hhgregg here in Ohio and know much more about Android than some of the guys at Best Buy and AT&T. Best Buy is literally right next door to us and we have customers coming over telling us they hate Best Buy and will never go in that store again. I am a customer service rep and also help sell computers, and tablets as well as close deals for the salesman that don't know jack lol. The AT&T reps didn't know much but I'm not knocking them, they're just doing their jobs. Just saying that this thread has been hilarious to read.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 5] Commodore 64:
Hello to all the fans of less programs/apps forced on the user.

To begin I'm listing what I have disabled/turned off from the stock rom, and I'm getting a better battery life and see less junk.

ANT Radio

ANT+ Plugins

AT&T FamilyMap

AT&T Hot Spots

AT&T Locker

AT&T Messages

AT&T Mobile Locate

AT&T Navigator

Beats Music

BlurbCheckout

Business card recognition

Caller Name ID

ChatON

Device Help

DriveMode

Flipboard

Google Play Books

Google Play Games

Google Play Movies & TV

Google Play Music

Google Play Newsstand

HP Print Service Plugin

Keeper

Mobile TV

MobilePrintSvc_CUPS

MobilePrintSvc_CUPS_Backend

My Magazine

myAT&T

Print Spooler

S Voice

Samsung Account

Samsung Apps

Samsung Galaxy

Samsung GALAXY Apps Widget

Samsung Link Platform

Samsung Print Service Plugin

Samsung Push Service

Travel wallpaper

Wallet (Isis)

Note: I'm not using any of the apps/services listed above, and I have not run into any problems. If you are going to use them then don't disable them.

Battery life has increased enough to be noticed, but not dramatically.

Next Project: Make an Odin flashable DeBloated stock ROM in both rooted and unrooted versions.

I got a full Stock ROM download from Samsung Kies to start Debloating and adding Root using Android Kitchen.

This file contains four files:

AP_G900AUCU1ANCE_964333_REV00_user_low_ship_MULTI_CERT.tar.md5

CP_G900AUCU1ANCE_964333_REV00_user_low_ship_MULTI_CERT.tar.md5

CSC_ATT_G900AUCU1ANCE_964333_REV00_user_low_ship_MULTI_CERT.tar.md5

BL_G900AUCU1ANCE_964333_REV00_user_low_ship_MULTI_CERT.tar.md5

Accomplished:

System folder is located and the apps listed above deleted from "AP_G900AUCU1ANCE_964333_REV00_user_low_ship_MULTI_CERT.tar.md5"

Also ran this through the Kitchen and got it rooted, signed, zipaligned, ... (Choosing the lazy option for now) and got my output .Zip

Stuck on:

1- the Android kitchen .Zip file is flashable using a custom recovery mod. e.g. CWM or it's PhilZ version, which isn't currently available for this phone.

I don't have previous experience that these .Zip files can be flashed through Odin. So I assume it won't work.

2- Cannot put the System folder I Debloated back together to get accepted and read by Odin.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 5] blkghost22:
Can u share the odin file that has been rooted. Without thw debloating
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 5] Commodore 64:
I'm sharing my Android Kitchen's Cygwin window screenshot of the file information.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 5] blkghost22:
Thx... i was askig so a dev or someone more knowledgable can take a look.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 5] Commodore 64:
so what needs to happen now is the content inside that zip file need to get converted to "system.img.ext4" file, then I will put that file back into the tar ball "AP_G900AUCU1ANCE_.... .tar.md5" and load it up in the PDA section of Odin.

So that is where i'm stuck; in re-packing all those files back into "system.img.ext4" file. There is a delicate way to do this, also discussed in parts somewhere on the XDA forums. One has to know the final partition size to include it in the command used to pack those in to a "system.img.ext4" file.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 5] TheSheibs:
That is awesome. I can't wait to see this finished. Seems you found a way to root it. Are you going to make it so that a "noob" like me can do it?
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 5] cstayton:
even if you get it back in the tar your not going to flash it in odin, the AT&T bootloader is locked odin will not flash a file once you have rebuilt it because it does not contain the samsung signatures. i have already got a fully built flashable ROM for the AT&T just waiting for root and BL unlock.

your on the right path, so dont get discouraged but it just isnt that simple.

P.S. Before you even ask, yes i have tried multiple iterations of building the system.img.ext4 file and signing it.

P.P.S if you really want the best experience from building a rom build a linux box (either linuxmint or ubuntu) the kitchen is a great tool

but running under cygwin in windows there are many limitations including not being able to create a system.img.ext4 file or generate the correct md5sum.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 5] Commodore 64:
Thanks cstayton for giving me a glimpse of what i'm dealing with here. From your comments a I searched further and found

http://autoroot.chainfire.eu/

Standing by for SM-G900A root release. I'm taking down my DropBox Dl link above since it is no use any more.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 5] djkinetic:
No root = No dev on the ATT or VZW versions of the S5 this is because of the locked BL. Likely that there won't be a BL unlock or bypass like Loki. Eventually a root exploit will be found just a matter of time, but no one knows how long that will be. There likely down the road after root will be safestrap which will allow custom TW roms based on the stock TW kernel. What likely won't happen is AOSP.

CF-Root does not work and never will as long as the bootloader is locked due to how it obtains root (modified stock recovery to push root). /System cannot be modified to root the ATT/VZW S5, this has already been cofirmed by Chainfire. An exploit on Kit Kat has to be found. Sadly anyone who got the ATT S5 expecting great Dev support right out the gate picked the wrong variant.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 5] daraj:
Has anyone tried safestrape?
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 5] cstayton:
I don't believe that the S5 is on his supported device list as of yet, and even then Safestrap requires root.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 5] daraj:
Duh Thats true. So first step is ROOT!
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 5] TheSheibs:
A friend of mine mentioned that the note 3 has a locked BL and Knox but is still able to be rooted. I am wondering if the root for the note 3 would work on the s5. Has it been considered or tried? I would try it but I do not have the knowledge necessary to undo it if something goes wrong. It seems like something that could really mess up the device if you don't know what your doing.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 5] edditnyc:
Don't try it [MENTION=5817013]TheSheibs[/MENTION]. Just wait for root to be announced. It'll be a big deal if and when it does.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 5] Srixun:
[MENTION=5817013]TheSheibs[/MENTION] Try it! if it works youll be the man!

Just be aware of the issues.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 5] Commodore 64:
I have the rom cooked and ready and it was ready to go in odin 3.07. Well the thing is if I'm willing to part with the one year warranty since it will advance the knox counter and at the end of the day that shouldn't matter anyways because even if a root solution/exploit is released, flashing it by odin will still advance the counter ...
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 5] Br4nd3n:
Once root is achieved (hopefully soon-ish) will we see prior AT&T devs flocking to the device for things such as SafeStrap and TriangleAway. I assume once we have root we will have a way to trip the knox shortly after. Root is key.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 5] Simer03:
My s5 is coming in a matter of hours! I'm looking forward to root but I don't mind staying stock for a while as long as I can disable apps! The part I'll have to get used to is no more "Greenify" app but oh well

Sent from my Nexus 5
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 5] Commodore 64:
So what at&t and verizon did was not only lock the phone's bootloaders but encrypt them. The encryption part is problematic for now.

If we can't flash with odin then we can't load custom recoveries like cwm/twrp then this phones becomes less attractive for developers. I have made a rooted version of stock ready with android kitchen but currently I don't have a way to load it on my device to test it.

I tried and Odin crashed, knox counter did not advance.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 5] cstayton:
Well your right, Odin will not flash any custom rom with locked bootloader, once you touch the stock img.ext4 you break the samsung signatures, nothing you can do will flash that file.

If it was as simple as re-creating the system.img.ext4 and flashing with Odin we wouldn't have to worry about locked BL.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 5] Greycloak42:
I've been idling in #sgs5 on freenode hoping to hear good news, but so far nothing.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 5] az-dave:
Threw this out there earlier on a diff thread...bear with me:

Im wondering if one can use Ubuntu to peer inside the S5 on-board memory and system files over USB? Mount it as a drive, do the permissions, and then mod individual apps, files, etc...??

In other words...break into root, by using a good Root on a diff device by mounting the phone rather than booting it?

People say once RAID 5 or other hard-drives or NAS devices go bad are impossible to recover...yes and No...I can pull files by mounting those drives using Ubuntu and then pull that way...yes the drive itself is shot, but I can still get those files...and Im sure there is a way to see the /system files on these phones by different means than booting them directly.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 5] Commodore 64:
Intersting view. I used to peak inside corrupted hdds with various permissions using Knoppix linux in the old days and that thing just ignores the current permissions and let you do your own combination of -rwx ... let's see if I can get this puppy mounted on Knoppix when I get back from work
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 5] surf1:
that would definitely be interesting for a workaround if it can be done on the phone.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 5] az-dave:
Exactly what I was thinking. The trick would be powering on the phone, or at least getting power to its Flash/ROM without actually booting the phone itself. Once the phone is booted I dont know that its file system could be remotely mounted.

I will be porting over my number to the ATT S5 today or tomorrow...and then may be able to play with the S3 in the same manner.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 5] bailey37821:
I'll add to your list of crap that I have stopped as well so far, no ill effects. I guess the very worst case scenario is we dont get root for a while but have a "safe" list for people to refer to. All of yours plus the following:

*google plus (I dont use it)

*google hang outs (I thought it would be an ok messaging app when they added that, but not for me)

*memo

*nnl fingerprint passport (does not work half the time anyway)

*s-health (i can take my own pulse and I dont care how many steps I take) too gimmicky

*sapa monitor

*smart remote

*tags (nfc)

*talkback

Like you said....If you use any of that then keep it active. I dont, so I wont
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 5] az-dave:
I stopped a whole bunch more last night...everything on the phone still working, and great battery life.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 5] skifreek:
List of apps?

atrix-burst-gs2-note-note2-gs5
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 5] az-dave:
this is what I have Turned off without any issues:

Adapt Sound

ANY Radio

ANT+ plugins

AT&T Family Map

AT&T Hotspots

AT&T Locker

AT&T Message

Basic Daydreams

Beats Music

BlurbCheckout

Bubbles

Caller Name ID (Imagine, I still see who is calling...HAHA)

ChatOn

Com.Samsung.android.sdk.spenv10

Com.Samsung.android.mimage/photo

Device Help

DirectConnectManager

Drive

DriveMode

Emergency Provider

Flipboard

Google Calander Sync

Google Partner Setup

Google Play Books

Google Play Movies

Google Play Music

Google Play Newsstand

Google+

Group Play (sounds kinda kinky)

Hangouts

Keeper (lock with @ in it - what is this?)

Market Feedback Agent

Mobile TV

MobilePrintSvc_CUPS

MobilePrintSvc_CUPS_Backend

My Magazine (AFTER removed from desktop manager)

NNL Fingerprint Passport

One Time Init

Phase Beam

Photo Screensavers

Picasa Uploader

S Health (Was too gimicky and adds - great idea, poor implementation)

S Voice

Swype (I dont like the predictive nor swiping keyboard)

Talkback

Travel Wallpaper

Wallet

A few others I may turn off:

AT&T Mobile Locate

AT&T Navigator

BusinessCard Recognition

DirectShareManager

And there were a Dozen or more apps I'd like to turn off, bit dont allow me to, such as

Geo News

FWUpgrade - etc etc...bloatware
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 5] abraxo:
Keeper is a password manager
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 5] az-dave:
thx - I may or may not re-enable...gunna see if I have any issues. None so far.

In mean time, since there is no Root for AT&T, Ive paid to install Nova Launcher and widget Lock.

Im not all that keen on running piggyback skins, but its fast and I like many of the apps and How I can arracnge them better than the AT&T kitkat 4.4
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 5] sk8trix:
Ive turned all these off and so far I am getting amazing battery life, hopefully soon we will have a root and we can completely remove all the stuff we don't want.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 5] C0derbear:
You don't need at mobile locate, Google has a service that does that and it is free.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 5] az-dave:
Im on my 3rd day with no charge (charged sunday night, unplugged monday 8:00am)...still 40% battery - wed 9:30am.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 5] designgears:
Not sure if this was mentioned, didn't read the whole thread.

AP_G900AUCU1ANCE_964333_REV00_user_low_ship_MULTI _CERT.tar.md5

Unless you have the ability to sign your modified odin files, and the samsung cert, you won't be flashing them.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 5] Commodore 64:
Yes I confirm. The flash is a no go.

Anything without the authenticated signatures will not flash using Odin or in recovery mode.

Why? Bootloaders are not only locked; they are encrypted as well.

Did that stop me from trying? No

What happened when I tried it?

- It produced an error message in red on the download page. Odin became unresponsive/connection lost.

- Press and hold power to turn off the phone, then pull the USB cable.

- phone is ok, Knox counter was not advanced (still at 0x0).
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 5] az-dave:
Has anyone tried connecting a rooted S3 or non ATT/VZN S5 to an ATT or VZN S5 and tried tunneling into the non-rooted phone file system thru the USB cable?

In other words get (or make) a special cable that will connect 2 phones together. Boot em both up, open terminal and SU on the rooted phone (so now you have full access to rooted phones file system) - and then try to see if there is a way to view the non-rooted phones files?
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 5] az-dave:
Messing with S5 and Ubuntu now. Have some ways to mount via MTP but its buggy. saw the system directory one time, now gone.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 5] Kael ruch:
That is awesome. I can't wait to see this finished. Seems you found a way to root it. Are you going to make it so that a "noob" like me can do it?
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 5] neer2005:
He needs to be able to write to the system directory in order for it to be rooted
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 5] Kael ruch:
Try it! if it works youll be the man!

Just be aware of the issues.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 5] JEZZEJAMEZ:
I would like to 86 the bloat wear '. I'm very patient. I've waited for the active since release..

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