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[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] ravenofdoom:
I'm not quite sure what happened, but for some reason when I reboot my phone, I now see an unlock symbol and the words "Custom". The only things I've done recently is change from DALVIK to ART... and booted into the ODIN / recovery by accident (Held vol down + power + home button). I didn't flash anything or anything like that (just powered the phone down when in that screen).

Has anybody else seen this???

EDIT: When I try to go into stock recovery (volume up + Power), I see a "Maintenance Boot Mode" with options of Normal boot, factory reset, and safe mode.

This is what my ODIN mode currently now looks like

Maintenance mode

When I try to go into stock recover (either volume up or down + power)

EDIT x2. I see now that stock recovery is volume up + home + power (whereas just volume + power gets you into the last pic I posted which is some sort of samsung default recovery separate from ODIN). Yeah, everything looks fine, just weird that switching to ART is triggering something funky with the bootup.
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] mkitchin:
Yes. Several others have pointed that out when changing to ART. I have not seen anyone confirm this is significant though.
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] ravenofdoom:
Does changing back to DALVIK return the boot screen to not showing unlocked? Also, when in stock recovery, does wiping "cache partition" cause any data loss? (I ask this because I'm wondering if there's uncleared davlik cache that's taking up space on my phone and if wiping would recover some space... I know that jumping to ART takes up more space because the apps are changed in format/storage space, but it seems like quite a bit (my apps went from taking up 2.5GB to 4 GB which sseems more than the +20% increase other places say).

I know when rooted / using TWRP, you can wipe DALVIK cache. I'm wondering if the option in android recovery is the same thing, or if it just merely wipes the app cache (since there's more/other cache floating around I suspect)
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] kuronosan:
I posted about it a few days ago.
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] ravenofdoom:
Yup, I see it here, now:

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?p=52162025#post52162025

Good to know I'm not high on crack. In any event, I think you may be right that ART could be a viable pathway to root - it's one of the few experimental features accessible that likely hasn't been given a thorough combing security-wise... and it's definitely triggering some flag/alert in the Samsung boot sequence.

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I'm not a developer, but I'm wondering how you extract this info... and did the system logger really say verbatim "This is wasting memory and is a security risk. Please fix." --- if so, that seems ridiculous to point to a potential memory leak / exploit. I just wanted to bring more attention to this on this thread.
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] LocoFreek25:
Is anyone looking into exploits against Knox? I haven't seen much documentation on how Samsung uses TrustZone. I know Motorola allowed the bootloader to be unlocked in the secure kernel, which could be accessed through a TrustZone exploit. Is there a way to tell what's on the secure side of the S5? There might not be bootloader access, but root is likely.

Also, switching between ART and Dalvik must require some elevated access. Perhaps there's an attack vector there?

Lastly, what's the possibility of a hardware method? Could the ROM storage be written to from a JTAG adapter. From what I understand, the boot storage is protected on our architecture, so that might make this not possible. Surely, Samsung has some way to program the phones and refurbish them. Does anyone know how this is done?

I don't think I'm "on to something," but I want to hear from folks that have knowledge of what I'm talking about.
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] kuronosan:
Do a logcat and reboot the phone. That is literally what it says.
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] mkitchin:
It is apparently a generic message. You will find a ton of hits if you google it. Here is short explanation:

http://stackoverflow.com/questions/...ext-relocations-this-is-wasting-memory-and-is
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] CliffordKT:
Anybody else getting security updates?

edit:

Sammy trying to set up automatic updates. I hit back button first time instead of decline...

Sorry I'm newbie, only bricked s3 twice been following post waiting to brick this to Lol..

SM-G900V Tapatalk
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] ks3rv3rg:
I haven't switched to the new Sim card either. Same one from s4 to blackberry to s5 and maybe even earlier. The new one is just supposed to secure your information better that is stored on the sim. Can't use the isis wallet for example without it but I could care less about that.
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] mkitchin:
I moved my SIM over from a 2 year old Gnex. I haven't seen any warning.
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] KaM1KaZ3:
I keep getting security updates as well but never accepted I dont know if I really want too are not from what I read online lastnight android might get another update dont know if thats true/false info

Galaxy S5
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] madspeed:
Same here,vive been ignoring them for now

Sent from my p37 Space Modulator
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] droidstyle:
I know I am late to the party but I just want to share some info on the Dev Edition devices. I have a Dev N3 I bought back in December, the device gets no updates and Samsung offers no stock Odin recovery files. The only nice thing about the Dev Edition is most of T-mobiles Roms and kernels are compatible. Also AOSP works if you can get past the bugz, but here is the kicker...I can not upgrade to 4.4 TW Kit Kat coming from 4.3 because 4.4 TW roms are not compatible with the 4.3 bootloader(locked or unlocked). So in order to run 4.4 TW I have to load the retail firmware and turn my DE into a locked Retail variant.

Sure you can buy the DE S5 now and run all compatible 4.4's roms out there, but when 4.5 or 5.0 rolls around the DE will be stuck with its original firmware, due to how the TW kernel is implemented with the bootloader.

My advice is switch to T-mobile if you have coverage in your area. 80.00 a month for unlimited talk, text, LTE(no throttling).

Edit* I just want to add the post above is hypothetically speaking. Luckily we got a 4.4 leak that allowed us to still use the 4.3 bootloader. I was basically referring to OTA firmware updates.
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] KaM1KaZ3:
If anyone has accepted security updates that knox forces you patched the security holes made it even harder to unlock

Galaxy S5
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] kuronosan:
Do you have a Knox counter now in download mode?
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] KaM1KaZ3:
I never accepted it knox counter is fine this is what I have read on the website for knox security the updates work around flaws

Galaxy S5
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] kuronosan:
But do you have a Knox counter, was my question?
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] thewebsiteisdown:
I have not accepted them here because I knew better. I told my wife on her s4 not to accept any either and she said, she wouldn't... I'm in the clear baby lol!
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] ravenofdoom:
What triggers / prompts Knox updates? Is this different from standard update mechanism in settings-about-swupdate? Or is this somewhere else?
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] theneedhamwrath:
I don't think any xda member would accept them... We know better... Lol dening them daily.
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] KaM1KaZ3:
Knox counter is fine nothing there I dont accept any security updates

Galaxy S5
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] kuronosan:
Look, all I'm asking is which variant you have and whether the knox counter shows up or not in Odin mode.

For instance, the international S5 has a line that says:

REACTIVATION LOCK(KK): OFF

KNOX KERNEL WARNING 0x0

KNOX WARRANTY VOID 0x0

If "knox counter is fine" means there isn't a knox counter, please say so. Also, please include your variant.
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] bagery77:
Re: Security Updates

Suppose I'm the lone dummy who accepted the update. I thought it was to deter other nasties like virus or something. This Knox/Safestrap business is news to me as I haven't done or needed heavy modding since Incredible/Thunderbolt days. I got my S3 and sat on the same rom for 1.5 yrs.

You've got me scared now. This sucks.
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] KaM1KaZ3:
You never asked my veriant... I have verizon knox warranty is 0x0

Galaxy S5
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] kuronosan:
Can you do me a favor and take a picture of your Odin mode?
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] KaM1KaZ3:
Product name: G-900v

Current Binary: Samsung Official

System status: official

Reactivation lock (KK) :off

Qualcomm SecureBoot: Enabled(CSB)

RP Swrev: S1 T1 R1 A1 P1

Galaxy S5
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] putney1477:
I'm getting them too. Haven't accepted any as of yet.
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] jagrave:
I did too
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] omgbossis21:
Thread I was looking for here! I have a locked at&t s5 and a few questions/ideas. I have messed with ms8960 phones so the place to start would be flashing a unlocked phones aboot image onto a locked phone to see if it works. Erasing a primary partition like boot.img throw the phone into fastboot? Im not real familiar with samsungs so I could be way off with some of this. Also is there a wallpaper.bin file or something similar on the phone?
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] prdog1:
From past experiences flashing the Dev Edition or other carrier aboot bricks the device. :cool:
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] razzrmaxx:
I have the exact same as this, what does it mean tho?
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] Secondlaw:
You can use FoxFi with USB and BT tethering. It works well if you purchase the full version. The free version disconnects after a few minutes of usage. I use Teamviewer to work from my car when I can or have to. The FoxFi/Pdanet app works great! It's not a wonderful as being able to wifi tether but it's good enough.
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] kuronosan:
I think it means we don't have a Knox counter, because every other carrier has it listed.

I also think ART is key in injecting an exploit.
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] omgbossis21:
That's odd, hard or soft brick? I haven't had a look at a s5 aboot but did have a look at a note 3's and noticed it is labeled within Samsung. I haven't seen that in other qual device aboots before. Wonder if their are any differences In the aboot of a locked/unlocked s5 or its just contains the check for a value elsewhere (like a efuse or param/nv partition). Wish I could root this damn thing!
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] KjK89:
I haven't seen anyone mention this post in a while. It got moved and then seems to have been forgotten:

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=2714516
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] open1your1eyes0:
This is just the stock factory firmware for the device. Most developers are already aware of this since day 1.
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] B767:
Link for the zip file not working.
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] KjK89:
Is it still in circulation tho? As the second reply says, the link isn't working. I downloaded the file in the first day or two that it was posted. If it would be helpful for me to send it to someone I would be happy to. Or is it not really that helpful to have for exploring exploits for root and unlock?
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] BigBot96:
Has anybody tried saferoot? Made for the S4 but the OP claims it should work on Linux Kernel 3.5.5 and less and that it doesn't trip KNOX. There's also a big variety supported devices.
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] briantacker:
I think that was confirmed to report a false positive, since it uses a generic method.
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] ks3rv3rg:
I haven't heard of anyone trying saferoot. The one that was a fraud and caused a false positive is srsroot.

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Link please?
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] briantacker:
That's right, sorry
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] eragon5779:
I tried saferoot. I can verify that it doesn't work.

Sent from my white SM G900V on XDA Premium 4
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] BigBot96:
http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=2565758

Good to know. Thanks.
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] kuronosan:
Funny enough I can browse the system partition easily, just can't do anything to it. Yet.
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] JPD19:
Have any phones in the past NOT been able to achieve root status by devs? What are the chances that no one can root the S5? Debating whether to stick with the S5 or return it and wait for the G3...
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] KaM1KaZ3:
Has anyone looked at samsungs sites how they talk about millions of users that use knox but never once said how they actually forced it on users

Galaxy S5
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] RedBullet:
It is quite possible it won't get cracked. The S4 was that way after the first update. Luckily I still own my unlocked S4...

May just go for the M8 instead...
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] Alarand:
Has anyone attempted getting samsung to switch the firmware of their device?

My naive hopeless 2 cents, after I asked a samsung rep this question and she told me to go to a samsung care place in best buy and that it would only take 30 mins, she might however have just been confused.

I'm guessing it's not possible to switch a verizon contract phone to sprint or vice versa, I'm not sure, but given that most cellular networks are gsm, does it not make sense that someone who sim unlocked and, say, switched from att to t-mobile as a carrier, could get samsung to switch the att firmware to the official tmobile one (and thus unlock your bootloader in the process?)

I mean unless they have a specific policy against it, couldn't this be possible?

I'm thinking mostly about the carrier specific apps and built in software. If you made it seem as though these were valuable to you, what reason could Samsung give for not being able to do this?

It's their firmware and their phone after all.

If they attempted to do it in store and fried your phone with their knox infested corporate computers would they not just give you a t-mobile phone as a replacement?

Please don't flame me too hard, just a thought.
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] RepublicanDaddy:
That's a rather intriguing thought. That's certainly thinking outside of the box. On that note, what about getting a t mobile phone off contact, sim unlocking it, rooting it, then insert a Verizon SIM? Would that work or are they on different frequencies and thus incompatible?
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] prdog1:
You get LTE if in AWS area and no phone as Verizon is CDMA and no CDMA radio in TMobile version. Verizon with T-Mobile sim Get LTE if in AWS area but must switch back and forth between LTE and UTMS to get phone. Can't do LTE and Phone at same time on T-Mobile with Verizon sim. Once both have VOLTE would be able to go either way in VOLTE area. :cool:
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] kprice8:
I believe I had heard of a Verizon device being paired with a Tmobile LTE chip and it working, so the reverse could possibly work?
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] B767:
Here is very interested discussion about Verizon G S4 LTE on Tmobile and ATT.http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=2678984

P.S sorry wrong link in beginin, change link to right one.
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] :
I'm confused as to why you'd post this here...
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] B767:
Because of this

. But that discussion show you don't need to switch it should work out of box with LTE on Tmobile because the compatible with Verizon.
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] :
Are you saying you think this might be some sort of an exploit for dev's to look into?
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] B767:
No. Sorry for my offtopic.
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] Crooke356:
Lol, I feel for ya, really do. But you handled it really well. Ending it before you got blasted.
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] RockyCJC:
Would it be nice...

I think it would be very interesting if this "glitch" were somehow a Samsung tech's way of leaving a back door for devs to get though in order to find an exploit to get root????

The camera glitch has been blamed on problems with the handset’s read-only memory (ROM)
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] kuronosan:
Well like I said earlier. Logcat revealed security issues with the camera, but someone has said it probably isn't anything.
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] JPD19:
I have 3 days left until my 14 day trial with my S5 expires. Debating whether to take the chance that a genius will be able to root this phone vs. return the S5 and wait for the G3 (also taking the risk that G3 may not get rooted).

So I heard that the updated S4 never got rooted. Is this true? If so, what's the difference between trying to root the S4 vs. S5? I'm sure people have been trying to root the updated S4 for quite awhile now...
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] kprice8:
Dunno about that, but I know the Note3 has been rooted, maybe a good alternative if you don't want to keep the S5...
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] RedBullet:
Yea, the S4 was only rootable in it's earliest stage. Once it got updated it was locked and you were doomed. still doomed.

I think it is quite likely the S5 will also be doomed. But who knows.

I decided to jump to the M8 instead. Unlocked bootloader, piece of cake.
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] Razzzzer:
Now that I have hotspot enabled on an unlimited plan the need for root for me is diminishing.....

Sad.. but looks like that's the way of things. Only time will tell.
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] RedBullet:
I really think the holy grail is really unlocking the bootloader. From there you can do most anything. If you root without a custom ROM then OTAs can break root.
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] spotmark:
As much as I have an itch for a new phone, I just can't bring myself to pull the trigger on an M8. Everything I read, says the camera suuuuucccckkkkks! I guess, for now, I will continue to follow this thread, and stick with my MDK S4. It may be the last unlockable, rootable Galaxy.
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] RedBullet:
Actually the camera doesn't suck, it is just different, and yes controversial. But I wouldn't say it sucks.

Here is a good article
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] Demiurge7:
This is only somewhat true. The MDK version (first release) was rootable and completely unlockable. Several months later, they patched this and the next series of updates/version were all rootable, but were unable to have the bootloaders unlocked. The safestrap work-around was created, which allowed stock-firmware-based roms to be flashed, as well as a modified custom recovery.

Only the newest update to KK (VRUFNC5) is not rootable from what I understand... essentially it put it up to speed with the S5. Though, there looks like a way to downgrade to keep root and still go to KK if you were already rooted. This update was very recent (April 29th), so I would not consider a few days ago "earliest stage". MK2 was the last build before NC5, and you could root it. Was there another build in between that I am missing?
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] RedBullet:
Right, sorry I should have been more exact and said unlocked bootloader. Fortunately I was able to unlock mine early, and I am still running custom recovery, custom ROM and NC5 radios.
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] spotmark:
Sorry to go off topic, and this will be my last post to that effect. This right here, says to me, that the M8 camera sucks. This was a camera test that Phone Arena did against older phones.
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] chumboy:
Returned my S5 and went back to my Note 2. Still might go back to S5 after root is found.

I finally flashed the newest MJ9 (4.3) firmware on the Note 2 and now about 5 new roms are opened to me.

Running Alliance on an unlocked Note 2 is like getting a new phone.

QUESTION: I now have an unlocked Note 2. If I buy an S5, can I just put the Note 2's SIM card in the S5 and get it to work?

Can I move the note 2's sim to another phone myself or does the Verizon store need to do something to the SIM in order to switch phones?

If I can do it, then I could have 3-4 phones and just swap the SIM to the one I feel like driving that day.
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] RedBullet:
Can't get more official than the internet! ;)

Like I said, it is different, I have it and the S4. I wouldn't say it sucks. There is no limit to what I don't know...
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] Syn Ack:
It excels at low-light. The iPhone5S already covers that just as well, plus more.
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] RedBullet:
... and ease with which the bootloader can be unlocked...

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[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] Syn Ack:
I'm reporting, which this might be my 1st time ever, because you consistently troll here, and it's getting old man.

Nor is this the thread to be talking about the M8 for any reason.
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] jcase:
Cease the off topic discussions please.

Only posts relevant to the Galaxy s5.
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] ks3rv3rg:
So what ever happened to the dev that got the S5 donated to them because they had a "potential" root method? I'd love to hear some progress updates, whether good or bad.

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Also, I really like the S5 camera. I really think it just takes a little getting used to. My favorite camera was the S4 and the HTC thunderbolt, but the S5 is extremely capable. And hell, maybe it's security issues will lead to a possible system write capability. Here's hoping.
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] kuronosan:
I'm still looking for holes to point others to. I'm wondering what happened to that "developer" as well.
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] eragon5779:
No kidding

Sent from my white SM G900V on XDA Premium 4
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] bill15872:
The developer edition seems to be available now. It has an "Add to Cart" button and doesn't say coming soon anymore
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] Dennisg34:
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[/COLOR]Also, I really like the S5 camera. I really think it just takes a little getting used to. My favorite camera was the S4 and the HTC thunderbolt, but the S5 is extremely capable. And hell, maybe it's security issues will lead to a possible system write capability. Here's hoping.

One thing I was a little disappointed in from coming from the S4 to the S5 (minus root) was no more quick glance, and have the camera modes...you'd think Samsung would keep them? Hell, even my future father-in-law's Note 3 has all the S4 camera modes, plus a few new ones! WTH Samsung!

Is this possibly something we can add in Touchwiz ROMs once root is achieved?
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] jideay:
Where did you see that? Can you post a link?
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] bluremi:
I went ahead and got an S5 without waiting for root.

It was a bit of a pain to restore all my apps and settings without Titanium Backup, but I got around that by using each app's export/import settings function and copied is to my phone/sdcard using my PC and USB cable.

I did the same for all my ringtones/pictures/videos etc. Took me about 2 hours to get everything just how I like it.

The native file manager and gallery app can move files around the SD card (only 3rd party apps have this limitation). Also, 3rd party gallery apps like QuickPic can delete photos (just not move them).

Since I discovered this I am very happy with the phone now. I will be happy if a root exploit is discovered in the next few years but in the meantime I can do everything I want with this phone.
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] mike163:
I found the link. It's on the Samsung website. You can click on the Add to Cart button, but when you view the cart it's empty.

http://www.samsung.com/us/mobile/cell-phones/ET-G900VMKAVZW
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] kprice8:
And yet with a few simple clicks, and going to the 'Cart' at link posted above, alas, there is not anything there....
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] jideay:
Just above the "add to Cart" button it states:

"Please check with an authorized Samsung retailer for price information"