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[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] Crooke356:
I've both the M8 and the S5 (FYI my G2 keeps up with both and excels in some situations, not to mention a bigger display in a smaller package). I love the M8. I hide the soft keys and use LMT for pie. I have pie access on the left, right and bottom. So, I've got my full display and it's much easier to navigate being able to navigate from the side of the display. I love the M8. Wide open. Do whatever I want. But I still have my S5. I buy all my devices off contact and the money I'd get back from returning the S5 could be put to good use, i'm keeping it. I think it's the display. The most beautiful display I've ever had on a mobile device. I'm on unlimited data.. Just added wireless tethering.. It can be done without effecting your unlimited data... And while I'd love to have pie and all the other features that root unlocks, i'm satisfied. Keep in mind, the Galaxy brand sells. Keep it for a while and if you decide you can't handle it, then sell it.. You'll make most of your money back. One week before the release of the S5, I sold my S4 for $400.
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] turbosrrgood:
These were my EXACT thoughts when I was looking at the phones in the store. I was leaning towards the M8 when I walked in, but walked out with the S5 for the reasons you mentioned. Both are solid, and these aren't major things, but that edged me to the S5.
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] Syn Ack:
From what I was told a few days ago, the keys won't match. Which won't allow flashing in Odin.
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] Juiced718:
I for sure don't but, is there anyone in here that know how to look for vulnerabilities and write an exploit in here? I'm just wondering ... Even if I was pointed in the right direction I'd give it a shot. I just have no clue...I have a basic knowledge of Linux and would love to try
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] briantacker:
I second this.
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] Juiced718:
Does thia help our case at all?? http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=2726558
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] kuronosan:
No but it's a good sign.
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] mkitchin:
I'm told this is the source code for the Verizon GS 5. I'm told in theory you could look through the code and find a vulnerability.

http://opensource.samsung.com/recep...b=F&searchValue=SM-G900V_NA_KK_Opensource.zip

I spent about 10 minutes and had no clue what I was looking at. I found what appeared to be an email program with code dating from 2007, so that didn't really make sense.
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] Juiced718:
I tried downloading this the other day took mad long and failed...I gave up

If only I had download booster to get this file...

But looks like I'd need root to get it on my Vzw s5...

Is that a catch 22 ?

Which came first ? The chicken or the egg?
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] wonderrx:
So how long did it take the Note 3 devs to get root on Verizon? Did that just happen?
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] Franzie3:
Has there been any movement in the IRC. I cant access it from work and its up at home but ive been MIA from it for a day or so. Usually the IRC gets busy with talk and testing but it doesnt seem like there has been much talks.
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] briantacker:
You're not missing much
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] mkitchin:
Occasional drunk person rambling, odd discussions, but nothing significant regarding the GS5.
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] tdrussell:
Yes
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] bigbarrel:
Please Chainfire. Please give the 900V root.
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] Elite49:
Yeah this place is a ghost town and its release too. Anyone know if anyone else is working on root for this? Any news from S4 forums?
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] omgi0wn:
Yeah I'm really surprised. The M8 forums have a ton of action. Even the AT&T forum for the GS5 has a lot more activity than the verizon forum. I hope this device gets more support since I would rather get the GS5 than the M8. I wonder if switching to ART will allow for an exploit since some people are getting the unlocked padlock icon after doing so.
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] joderme:
Here is the last root method that was used on the SGS4. No telling if it will work or what it might do on the SGS5. Samsung likely has patched this.

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=2565758
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] mexiken:
A bounty may be in order, no????
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] blulite:
Where did you see this? Anything with a "why"?
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] open1your1eyes0:
Trust me guys, this has been tried time and time again. The bounty required for the high level guys to release their exploits to the modding community will never be met (talking about tens of thousands especially when you're talking about Samsung device - the most popular Android devices in the market). These are some of the offers these guys are getting from security companies to release those exploits to them instead. An inconvenient truth but unfortunately a real one. The best chances we have is if any of these guys decide to be nice to us (but we must treat them likewise and not demand these exploits to be released, that is what turns them away most times). Other than that, hopefully our fellow experienced modders might be able to find one or two exploits that happen to work on our devices. Many times the high level guys have said that root is always the easy part.
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] jova33:
The VZW S4 never got a bootloader unlock, and how high did that bounty reach? I pledged $200 or something. And this is why I'm buying developer editions from now on. Not so sure about the S5 DE. The VZW S4 DE was treated like the red headed stepchild, and received little support from VZW or Samsung.

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[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] jamesd1085:
Are these coming straight off the line with kit kat?...just wondering...I have S4 and will be following these forums as well...if you guys are locked down as hard as we are sorry about your luck...I might take a look at some of the system dumps and see what your boot process looks like and see if anything obvious pops up...don't get your hopes up though I'm not a noob but I'm not an experienced dev either
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] tkacer:
for those thinking about the dev edition - read the last 5-6 posts ( #10-16) of this thread.....these guys comments you can take to the bank!

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=2713700
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] jonno95:
i don't think chainfire has said no yet...

http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=51841448&postcount=165
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] Elite49:
I'll take having only Root over nothing at all since this is the only appealing phone to me coming off a SIII. That HTC M8 is not my type of phone at all.
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] Guadalupeohara:
Wow.. :victory: That's are very good rooting about it..
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] Demiurge7:
...I second this notion
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] jpmcnown:
For the record, I tried Kingo, and though it didn't seem to affect anything negatively, it failed to root as well.

I Rebooted into download mode to check the Knox counter, and it appears unaffected too. The note 3 download mode referenced Knox, tripped or not, but this does not appear to make any mention of it. Though likely a pipe dream, does this perhaps indicate that Knox is tripped in a different way?

Interestingly enough, after the effort to root failed, I was presented with a message asking me to accept "Security Enhancements for Android Policy Update", clearly I did not accept this.
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] s60nia:
Willing to try VRoot?
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] mexiken:
That wasn't just you. I got that also. And I haven't even so much as turned on developer options. That was coincidence.

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Yes. Please do brave soul. And let us know what results.

There is a stock file in case things go haywire.
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] open1your1eyes0:
Has anyone tried this method yet?

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=2565758
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] jucytec:
tried no wrky
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] chaplngrillsgt:
I'm in the same boat. I played around with the M8 live demo and was not impressed. Played with the S5 demo and was quite impressed. There were some lag issues on the S5 demo that were unnerving but they also had all the animations and transitions and **** set to the max which I'm sure ate at the processing.

I am thinking of upgrading my S3 tomorrow, but there is no way I can use the S5 and NOT have it rooted. I've just gotten way too accustomed to rooted phones over the last 4 years. I can live with staying on stock TW, but really really hoping for the bootloader to be unlocked too. Fingers crossed.
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] Syn Ack:
Maybe in 6 months we'll have the latest version with root...
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] Franzie3:
Oh now thats not the optimistic guy from 2 days ago :good:
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] mkitchin:
Does the Safestrap method cause any performance degradation? Can you flash a standard 3rd party ROM such as CM or AOKP?
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] Demiurge7:
No, does not cause any performance degradation. You cannot flash any 3rd party roms, only those based off of your stock firmware.

On the S4, Eclipse's S4 TW 3.0 Rom was brilliant, and did an excellent job of mimicking AOSP style while remaining based on stock TW. I owned an MDK and Safestrap version, and often preferred this ROM over the CM/Aokp (Liquid, Slim, Beanstalk, etc) options. Much of this came with the fact you get to keep the TW cam, which was always the best option on the S4.

So whereas safestrap would not be as ideal, it still provided some excellent options for performance and styling improvements, thanks to some amazing development.
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] mkitchin:
Thanks for the info. Safestrap looks like it took some serious skills to create, but I have never tried it. From what I'm reading, Safestrap would be the likely candidate for loading a new ROM on the S5. If that is the case, does it seem like a strong possibility we would never be able to run CM or AOKP on a Verizon S5? Would the only way to run CM on a VZW S5 include buying the development version of the VZW S5? I got my S5 on the 11th, and I'm just trying to figure out what my options are. I really would like to run CM on my phone. I wonder if a VZ Dev edition S5 is such a specialized phone if a CM build will be made especially for that? Thanks for the info. This is all new to me. My previous devices are Galaxy Nexus and a Nexus 10. I rooted and loaded AOKP the day I received each one, so this particular experience is new to me. Obviously I should have done more research first.
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] Demiurge7:
NP

Yes, safestrap would be the most likely type of workaround for a locked bootloader on this phone...given the progression of lock-down with Samsung and VZW (S4, Note3). But who knows really - safe strap came about as the best workaround for a particular situation... a workaround on this could end up in a different direction.

But yes, I would say its a strong possibility (from how its looking so far especially) that we will not be able to run CM, or any other AOSP variation on our S5. If you could on the Dev edition, I don't think those who create said roms are going to want to port it over here if its only for the very-few who have Dev editions - usually this takes unlocking to get such ports, and even then that takes time. Not sure exactly though, I suppose it depends on how it plays out. Lets all cross our fingers and thank anyone involved in helping crack that first step! Im hopeful for all, and am trying to stay positive :good:
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] mkitchin:
I'm trying to stay positive, but I have about 2 days to figure out what I want to do. I really like running ROMS such as AOKP and CM. I'm stuck with Verizon, and I really like Samsung phones. Bad combination. I sent a tweet to CM asking if they planned to support the VZW S5 dev edition. I searched their downloads, and there is a Verizon S4 ROM. I thought I read the S4 had the same restrictions as the S5.
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] Demiurge7:
I hear ya. Its a great phone, just wish we could unlock its potential.

Yeah, CM was on the S4 - but only on MDK firmware. After a few months from release, Samsung started locking down the S4's. I dont remember the exact date, but after a certain point (or if you updated it after that point) you were stuck. Samsung picked up where it left off there on the S5 - but as we see here, they got even tighter.

I would be stoked for any options.
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] sureshot007:
And here I thought that when cyanogen went to work for Samsung, they'd actually get their **** together.
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] s'pht:
I'm hoping for a redux of this http://www.droid-life.com/2012/08/15/unsecure-bootloader-can-now-be-flashed-to-verizons-galaxy-s3/
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] Franzie3:
You and everyone in here. I remember using this on my S3 like 3-4 phones ago :) I do not think we will get this without someone very skilled dedicating hours to try and crakc the bootloader. We may get root and with root maybe safestrap.

I hate to be a debbie downer but it seems very quiet all around in regards to the VZW and ATT varients of the device. Sounds like no one is really focusing on it. I could be, and hope i am wrong, but usually there is more interweb chatter about it.

Again it hasnt even been 2 weeks, some devices get cracked within minutes, some before release, and others could be months away.
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] Demiurge7:
Agreed... very disconcerting. Hate to think this could be my last Samsung phone.
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] Franzie3:
For Verizon/AT&T yea. I will probably try and sell mine for a dev edition if it comes out soon enough. Unless we get good news here. I've slowly come to accept no root seeing as my last device I didnt have root about half the time i owned it (Droid maxx). I miss the good ole days of Droid Inc, Thunderbolt, GNex , S3 days where it was a cake walk and roms were nearly a dime a dozen. I think that we are basically at a point where unless you have a dev edition or a nexus you'll never really see a rom. That and its not much to see stock firmware being tweeked, many people want AOSP or nothing. I personally dont mind touchwiz and would welcome a toned down version with AOSP goodies like Beans did for the S3. it was great and I would love to see mods done for the S5 TW if we ever make it that far
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] Maphack:
There's no way a flagship device on the two biggest US carriers won't get attention. Sooner or later is the real question...

Then again I'm no dev, just feel like root has to happen sooner or later.

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[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] sureshot007:
Someone at Verizon or Samsung has to know how to do it. So, why don't we start a collection and just bribe the right person?
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] Franzie3:
Someone is more then welcome to do it. There are just rules about bounties and such.

I personally just downloaded the factory image. I have no idea what im doing with it but im working on breaking everything out and trying to learn on my own. If any security expert or someone who knows what they are doing wouldn't mind me as an apprentice i am more then willing to learn and understand. I'm no idiot when it comes to learning and i am not afraid to ask questions. Just looking for someone to help me learn to crack this beast. I have sat around long enough and contributed where i can and reaped the benefits form others hard work. I feel I want to return the favor.

So I put it out to anyone who knows anything. I am willing to work with you and look into things no matter how long it takes.
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] kuronosan:
I have the kernel source on my Linux vm, but I've no clue what I'm looking for.
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] ks3rv3rg:
The problem is; you have to be extremely competent in the workings of the phone from hardware to software to coding, etc. Finding a vulnerability requires knowing these things and the coding behind them in order to exploit some aspect of said code. There aren't many people with this kind of knowledge... it's unfortunate. I also try to remain hopeful that we'll get root but those competent people have been silent thus far. Which is worrisome. Either way though, this is a pretty great phone.
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] open1your1eyes0:
So here's the present day situation folks... (as far as I'm allowed to divulge)

Unfortunately, exploits are getting rarer and rarer these days with every new Android release (KitKat is probably the toughest yet). The only

discovered to be known working

exploits are being kept private by those people that found them so far because security companies are actually willing to pay the people that found these exploits good money to release it to them instead of the public (this has always been the case but there were many simple exploits in the past that many folks already knew about so they were released anyways just to help out the community because the value of them was quite low).

Just in case anybody is thinking about making a bounty thread, by good money we're talking about upwards of thousands of dollars. Very unlikely we'll even come close to even a fraction of that but of course anyone is free to try if they're willing (you can count me in personally for a $100 bounty if one opens up).
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] Smokey Woody:
Have to say that I love the Galaxy S5, used to have Galaxy s III, and I do enjoy the freedom of rooting and all the capabilities and I do believe that it will come sooner or later but it is just a matter of time before an exploit is found. I can live without root for a little while. My battery lasts awhile, I use Nova launcher so I don't have to deal with the damn TouchWiz crap, and it is quite tolerable considering we are apart of an uptight corporation against rooting. But if there is anything, there are people that are people hard at work to give us what we want and we should appreciate there work.
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] Broadley1:
Canadian sock monkey where are you? :D:D
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] Smokey Woody:
That is great to hear but that the companies will pay people for the exploits will definitely be a problem since they will probably offer thousands. Honestly don't get why they want to keep roots away from us but hopefully some people will no be tempted by the money.
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] Demiurge7:
Seriously, open one up. Ill put the money I would have spent on an additional Dev phone towards it; or $500
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] open1your1eyes0:
Unfortunately I'm done with bounties. I've opened a few in the past for previous devices (namely here, here and here) and unfortunately I don't have the same time on my hands to keep them up-to-date any longer.

If anyone else wishes to take it up feel free to let me know via PM if you'd like to use one of my previous templates for your bounty.
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] Razzzzer:
I would guess a company could not boast a "secure" able to run on your tight corp/government network phone while also having security holes that allow practically ANY software to be installed.

The problem see is not that they are locking and securing, its that they don't offer an open phone for those that want to play and don't care about warranty... having a corp release and a consumer release would be the best of both worlds but... whatever... I am finding less and less use for root... I didn't root my s4 until about 6months in and only loaded a custom rom a few months after that... (but I do love the custom rom lol)...
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] Juiced718:
This is sad to hear... Though I'd be willing to donate to a bounty as well. Doesn't seem this is going g to happen for us, not trying to be a pessimist.
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] mkitchin:
I have a new VZW GS5. My contract was renewed on 4/11 when I bought it. I did no research, and I'm obviously now dealing with the fact that I cannot root it and load CM. These phones are going for $600 plus on ebay. That seems like it is about the price of what the dev model will be. I'm unfamiliar with the dev models. It would still need to actually be rooted, correct? Should I assume a super su will be built for it so I would be able to root it? Is there any hope that there would be a CM build for it given it would be a somewhat rare device? I already partially asked this question, but not exactly like this.
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] Franzie3:
Yes. It would come basically stock with the ability to unlock the bootloader at which point you can then flash a custom recovery and in essence flash root.
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] mkitchin:
The GS4 had the same issue, correct? Did the GS4 get the necessary recovery and CM ROM created to do this? I realize this might not be the perfect place to ask this, but I am not sure where else to ask. Thanks for all the info.
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] Franzie3:
To be honest i do not know whatever issues the S4 had. But any developer edition would come with a way to unlock a bootloader to my understanding. Same was true for Moto X, Droid Maxx, Even the HTC One M7 from last year i believe
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] waleed300:
I'm willing to start up a bounty if you want to pm me your template, I'll also chip in $100
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] :
I will to chip in also. Let's make this happen. These dev's deserve to get paid. Whether it's from the users themselves or the ones that locked us out to begin this.
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] Syn Ack:
Someone java chip this bootloader or something lol
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] Demiurge7:
I grabbed the template and am putting it together now. Should have the thread up shortly.

I agree - its worth a shot, and I am definitely down to throw in a nice chunk. This is the first phone I have owned that is facing a real, no-root possibility. I want to do everything I can to help get something going, and at this point it seems a pledge is the best I can do.
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] dodendemise:
My second S5 comes in tomorrow(Verizon screwed up) and after reading all this it just makes me feel like walking it right back into the store...
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] waleed300:
Sounds good! Let us know once it's up, I am certain we can get at least 100 people to chip in..If we can get this to reach a couple thousand I'm sure it'll catch someone's eye, I'll take responsibility of contacting every tech site admin with links to the thread and ask them to post a story on it! Let's get this thing rolling guys!
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] Franzie3:
probably could get ATT thread involved as well. More people
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] ryanpm939:
root root!

I just want to restore my apps already!
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] Demiurge7:
Ok, got it up:

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?p=52120747

Was a bit hasty, so let me know if I dropped the ball somewhere.

Thanks again to open1your1eyes0 for the help and template.
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] waleed300:
Perfect brother! Looks good!, thanks for taking the time to put this together, and thanks to open1your1eyes0 for letting us use his template. Silly question, is there a link or something so I can pitch in?
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] Demiurge7:
No worries, no such thing as a silly question... just post your pledge on the thread and Ill add it! I was going to add those who mentioned pitching in on other threads, but thought it would be best to solidify all contributions posted only on the bounty thread.

And thank you!
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] open1your1eyes0:
Good luck guys. :good:
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] Maphack:
What's the point of private companies buying someone's discovery of an exploit to root? Unless it's to Samsung or one of the carriers? If that was the case... You'd think you'd be talking hundreds of thousands...

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