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[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] Guadalupeohara:
We are also hoping that Dev edition will come out as soon as possible. I think it will come out with good upgrading result.. thanks
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] Shaftamle:
Try this thread.

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=2367734

[Guide] How to upgrade without losing unlimited data.

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[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] Firemedic:
Doesn't work if you want to buy the Dev edition with an unlocked bootloader
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] kuronosan:
Verizon is being sneaky as ****. I think it had to do with the new "SIM". Fortunately my plan started intact and I have a ticket already opened with Verizon that guarantees such if they screw up.
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] Okie John:
Thanks for that update.... How were you lucky enough to get yours delivered on the 11th?

The nice Verizon CSR said no shipments would be released until the 11th... Mine would already by here except no Saturday delivery in the rural boonies of northern Oklahoma.

I took the 2 year contract extension. Been a satisfied Verizon customer for 15 years, all the family is on my contract, don't see ever leaving them as long as Verizon keeps making me happy. Every CSR that I have worked with has either been able to take care of me, or shot me up the line to a supervisor who could deliver the goods.

This GS5 that arrive tmw, Monday 4/14 should be a nice upgrade from my Galaxy S Verizon Fascinate.
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] Huachipato:
I'm one of the lucky few with a dumb phone on my plan. I just went to the store early on Friday and upgraded my wife's line - but activated on mine. They took care of me - as far as I know this is the one easy loophole still available to us with unlimited data plans.
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] armyranger172:
I did the same thing. I used my dummy phone to upgrade to the S5, then took my sim from my S4 and switched them. I then called vzw to put my dummy phone back on. I also took the advise of someone on here and got best buy to give me the phone for $99. SO HAPPY RIGHT NOW!!! (I will be happier when we have root!)
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] Shaftamle:
I doesn't matter if its a dumb phone or not. You can use the loophole on a smart phone, as long as its a tiered data plan and not uld

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[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] jpmcnown:
I like to call Verizon every once in a while, just to hear em start into the sales spiel about changing to a different plan, just to hear their reaction as they review my data usage.....see attached.
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] Okie John:
I used to have the Unlimited Plan and 6 lines.

Then money got tight and I got rid of 5 lines and took the cheaper monthly plan....

Can't remember now how much per month the monthly plan is, anyone?

Wife's phone is a dumb phone, daughter's is a Windows phone which switches to WiFi automatically.

I have the Verizon Galaxy S Fascinate, getting the Galaxy S 5 in about 18 hours via FedEx...

Between the daughter and myself, we have not used more than 1.8 gB in 3 years.... we are using our home WiFi most of the time anyway, or at another WiFi location.

What little I do with mine on the road is just to look up vendors and phone numbers.

Don't play games, and don't watch videos....

At 71 now, those stuff don't interest me.

Besides, being a full time moderator on another forum keeps me busy.
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] Shaftamle:
Wow! That's impressive! ;)

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[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] jackpot08:
wow. do you tether or how do you use that much a month? and does verizon throttle you?

i have unlimited and i worry that verizon would flag or watch my line if i tether from a root app
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] jpmcnown:
No warnings/notifications from Verizon. I do/did tether (waiting for root on S5). Basically just to stick it to Verizon, I'll put a 5gb file of some sort up on Skydrive/Gdrive/etc, and download it over and over and over again. I had my S4 plugged into power and still managed to drain the battery completely by downloading Hyperdrive 15(~1.7GB) like 25 times in a day. haha I have found that direct downloading of torrents to the phone seem to be affected recently(throttling-though Verizon would never admit it), so I remote desktop from my phone into my home PC, download what I want, and then reconnect from my phone via FTP, and download that way. Really, it's just to stick it to em. I didn't download unnecessarily one month, just to get a fair idea of how much data I use, and it was around 2GB. I wonder if the little usage chart would switch to TB in the event I broke the 1 TB threshold. Only one way to find out.....brb

Ya know, if someone is on Verizon unlimited data, and looking to jump ship and leave to go to another carrier, a person could assume the liability of their plan, and continue that grandfathered unlimited data. Verizon is very aware of this, and completely cool with it. Call and ask about "relinquishment and assumption of liability". I cringe when I hear about people that just flat out leaving Verizon while on unlimited data, when they could have effectively SOLD their contract.

Here's some people "selling" their grandfathered plans on Ebay
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] Shaftamle:
I'm all for sticking it to big companies. But you don't find that to be a pointless waste of your time?? Hyperdrive 25 times???? Do you honestly think they are losing any sleep over that? Cause they don't.your 1 person out of millions. I worked there for a little under a year and the only time I saw more than 15 gig was 1 dude uses 60. So trust me, your wasting your time.

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[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] jpmcnown:
It's not as though I'm staring at my phone the entire time. I'll be working at my desk, start a download, and go back to work. I understand that my effort isn't going to put a dent in Verizons wallet or infrastructure, nor is it really intended to. I simple do it because I can. It undeniably gets a certain reaction from the pee-ons behind the counter/phone, and that's really all I'm going for. I too used to work for Verizon, and I would have gotten a good laugh out of seeing such a flagrant use of unlimited data.
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] Shaftamle:
I agree, that is pretty funny.

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[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] dts242:
That is ridiculously stupid. Get a life.
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] Lodaserves:
They keep on updating you every call you done?
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] cbrehob:
I purchased my phone full price on the website, I never saw any of the messages you did. If you hit UPGRADE DEVICE you don't get them. If you hit ADD A DEVICE, you get all the messages pointing you at selecting a new data plan.

I even confirmed with the sex chat sales chick about it, buying a phone full price you don't change data plans. I activated with the new SIM card and I haven't seen anything change in my billing.
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] Firemedic:
You confirmed with the sex chat sales chick also..Wow those sex chat lines provide multiple services! Good to know!
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] onyx51:
Unlimited Data

Verizon for the first time ever is responding to market pressure from T-Mobile. You can purchase devices with 2 you contract pricing without losing your unlimited data.

From the direction of a csr, the only reason you can't for the S5 is due to it being a preordered item. So, you would have to wait until you can order over the phone without preordering.

Theoretically, you could call and threaten to leave for T-Mobile and depending on the experience of the rep they may be able to manually add the unlimited plan back to your account. I was able to keep mine and used my upgrade to do the BOGO. I plan on selling the extra phone. It helps that I have 7 lines on my account by the way. Leverage never hurts.

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Oh, and VZW does throttle some users. You can ask to have that removed. You can't see it on your bill, but if you call in you can ask if data optimization is a feature on your account. If it is, then you can ask to have it removed. Don't ask for tech support usually from my experience they won't do it a normal customer service rep would be more apt to change remove it.
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] Shaftamle:
From what I've heard they only throttle 3G use. As far as selling the other phone I'd be very very careful of doing that. From what I heard when I was a rep, they have the ability to charge you for the full price of the phone if ESN is not on your account before a certain time. Meaning if you upgrade your phone and sell it the next day there's a decent possibility you're going to get charged for it. As I said I'm not positive but I believe it needs to be on your account for at least a couple months before you sell it, so I would check into the policy before you end up screwing yourself over. I'm not 100% sure but I thought I'd give you the warning.

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[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] onyx51:
selling the phone

VZW will only charge you full price if you do not accept the Terms and Conditions for the 2 you contract (which I've completed). I can sell the device without ever activating the SIM card. I do appreciate the concern though.
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] jagrave:
I thought the BOGO was on new lines? So you can get it even if you do an upgrade? If do, if you have already received your preorder can you go back? I got mine from best buy.
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] ihavenewnike:
If I buy a phone on contract, but use the same sim I have now, will I keep unlimited
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] ihavenewnike:
I pay for hotspot. But this is why I can never lose my unlimited data, until fiber eventually gets here in like 5 years View attachment 2688945
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] onyx51:
BOGO
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] Illb:
I talked to two reps today who had no idea what data optimization was...

The past two months my data has been so slow. I used to never use wifi, but have no choice now. I'm pretty sure they're throttling me because another line on my account that isn't unlimited has normal speeds when the devices are compared side to side.

For example when I load up a streaming video I can't get 2 seconds worth before buffering kicks in, hers doesn't stop at all. Of course I'm unlimited and she's limited to 2 GB. And downloading a ROM or app is impossible on LTE...
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] jefflikesbagels:
Am I hosed if I have a GS3 with a micro SIM? I'm on unlimited, and my mom mentioned the two GS5 for $200 deal. I really want to keep unlimited because of Spotify and the podcasts that I listen to.

I'm also worried about root. Gone are the days of easily getting root on devices. I think I'd rather wait for the LG G3. Dev phones are way too expensive, I'd have to choose between a dev phone and a month's pay of rent.
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] Shaftamle:
theres a rumor that the next 6 will be on Verizon. Just something to keep in mind

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[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] Firemedic:
You will not be able to keep unlimited unless you either add lines, upgrade the phones on the new lines(There are threads all over explaining how to do this)and then move them over to your unlimited line or if you pay full price.
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] xXPrOwLeRXx:
If you leave unlimited they are offering a max loyalty reward data plan which gives you 6gb of data for a penny more than what unlimited is and honestly that was sufficient enough for me to leave unlimited.
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] Shaftamle:
How is that a good deal for you exactly? You pay more(yeah 1 penny) but more importantly, you go from unlimited to 6gb. Good luck when you need to upgrade and they "no longer offer that package" then you will pay I think it's $60 per month for 6 gig. No deal is better than unlimited.

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[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] kuronosan:
Wat
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] jagrave:
I have unlimited, my wife has 2gb plan. I had the upgrade. Best buy did an alternate upgrade. Moved my upgrade to my wife's line. Then preordered the phone through her line. When I picked it up we activated it on her line, then hardware swapped to mine. As of today I still have my unlimited. The guy did get a new Sim card out and put in the phone too.
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] dts242:
Verizon does not and can't throttle LTE devices. They can only throttle 3G devices, and only do so if your usage is causing problems for your area.

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Verizon can't throttle LTE devices, per the FCC.
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] Illb:
I'll make a video when I have both devices in hand, but they've gotta be doing something to my data. It takes 10 minutes for a 3 minute YouTube video to play because of all the buffering. And this was across 3 phones too, I tried an old Thunderbolt, a GS3, and an HTC 8x. She's got an iPhone 5, again, I have unlimited data she has 2GB. I'll try to post a video later tonight.

Just makes me wonder what's the point of paying full price for phones to keep my unlimited if the speeds are so slow I can't use them.
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] WillTheGreat:
I'm actually curious seeing the first post, has anyone ever (for w/e reason) lost their unlimited plan buying and activating a full retail? I feel like by procedure they include that into the receipt regardless of whether the phone was put under contract or not.

I still have a S3 that's falling apart, and I haven't done a swap in ages outside of an iPhone which I purchased full retail at the Apple store which they sell to you w/o requesting info.
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] kuronosan:
If you buy it full retail they have no right to change your plan. Some were telling me that people have reported their plans dropping to 2GB once they activated the phone, but I bet it's because the poorly-trained corp associates were doing it wrong.

I bought mine full retail and kept my plan intact. They tried to tell me it might default later without warning and I flat out told them "If it does, I'm still under contract so you'll be hearing from a lawyer".
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] WillTheGreat:
That's what I figured that it's normally due to incompetent reps.
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] kuronosan:
They really don't know how to process people who buy the phone retail because they're so used to people coming in with Astroglide and letting Verizon have their way with them.

Sorry, I don't roll that way. When the rep told me my unlimited data was going to go away, I told him straight up "Bull*@#$. Get me a supervisor."

20 minutes later and a phone call plus a Facebook post and I was out the door with my phone and my data plan intact.

Screw that noise.
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] Jihoonie:
Just called Verizon about this. Here's my story just to confirm that the OP's guide works.

1. I asked the Verizon rep if she could help keep me as a Verizon customer with my 4 lines by upgrading my 2 ULD lines to the GS5 BOGO and leaving ULD intact. She said she couldn't do that but I could upgrade via Edge and pay full price over 24 billing cycles. She also said I could keep ULD if buy the phone outright off them or anyone else. She specifically mentioned Ebay.

2. I then asked if I could technically use my two basic line upgrades to purchase the GS5 BOGO with 2 GB data plans for each. Then cancel the 2 new data lines and return the basic phones to each respective line.

She said that this would technically work because VZW allows customers to change their plans without restrictions. She said that once the basic phones were restored to their respective lines that the 2 new 2GB data plans will automatically be canceled. Then I could activate the new phones on my 2 ULD lines and keep unlimited.

Voila!

I'm going to Best Buy later to upgrade the 2 basic lines and then restoring the basic phones back later in the day.

EDIT: posted in wrong thread. Meant to post in another one linked back a few pages
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] GoronFood:
I work at best buy, and a lady came in and it allowed me to keep their unlimited data. Mine was due to our activation systems error forcing me to process the upgrade in Verizon's backend system. Here's how to keep your unlimited data without having to speak to a best buy peon.

1. order on best buys website and ship to your home, don't change any features.

2. Pop your old 4g LTE Sim into your new phone when it arrives OR get a new one from Verizon and bring it back to best buy to activate. The auto feature change comes when you activate the Sim that comes with your new device.

3.???????

4. Enjoy your unlimited data!
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] Acturbo:
Best way to keep unlimited data and not pay full retail is as follows, this only works if you have a family plan btw:

Add a line with an S5 on it, once activated switch the new line back to a basic phone, switch S5 to line that currently has unlimited data, heres how the math worked for me:

S5 price after rebate where I got it from: $100

Activation fee: $35

non data line on a family plan for 2 years: $240

So total paid for phone: $375 vs a retail cost of $599.
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] Guadalupeohara:
i think this plan is very expensive for all..
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] stajam:
I know exactly what you mean. I only use between 20 to 40 gb a month and they say that out of the 1500 people that talk to every year that I am one of the top 10 peaple that use the most data. I told them they are full of crap, that there are people that use way more than myself but yet they still argue the point. Ha ha. Too funny ?

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[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] kprice8:
I had one month not so long ago where I used 64.23gb of Data in a month.. Never got said one thing to about it. lol
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] Eris _2.1_2010:
Anybody wanna sell their unlimited plan? Lol

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[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] tpike:
I've got a Verizon account rep that told me in training they talked about people using 1tb a month. And how that affects network traffic and tower management. In business accounts it's common to see 20gb per month. And after Verizon gets qos in place it will be an every day thing. Verizon and Cisco have emergency 4g routers that are designed to be your isp for your company when you twc copper or fiber gets cut. Once they get qos Verizon will allow companies to run voip. They will become a viable 4g isp for home and business. They aren't worried about 20gig/month usage
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] cardman827:
Hey, just want to say thanks for this thread!

I just traded in an old Bionic and with Best Buy 50 off smartphone promo I signed up for in Feb. I got the Galaxy s 5 for 10 dollars!!

Of course, even better than that I still have unlimited data..

My situation was unlimited data line had upgrade, I transferred it to a dumb phone line, my contract was extended on the unlimited data line but the plan did not change.

The dumb phone line had a 2 gb data plan for about 2 minutes so they said I probably wont be charged anything for that.

Thanks again and if anyone has any questions I would be happy to answer
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] weasel87:
I can tell you that using the old Sim does work. I ordered my s5 as an upgrade only because they could offer me 6gb for the price of two. I accepted my data loss, I had come to terms with it. Got the new phone and tried to get it going. The Sim would not activate. Threw the old one in and bingo. Working phone with unlimited data.
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] tpike:
Report back after billing. Your plan isn't determined by the sim.
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] kuronosan:
You accepted your data loss? lol
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] aholeinthewor1d:
If you are serious PM me...I have a single line unlimited plan
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] nflchampion:
The people at Costco were more than willing to do the upgrade a different line that doesn't have unlimited data and switch the phone trick after the Verizon people told me that wasn't an option, so it's a true your mileage may vary situation.
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] tpike:
Totally possible and the most popular way to upgrade acc keep unlimited. Sometimes you have to cough up for a new sim card due to changes in card size.
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] nflchampion:
Doesn't stop employees at the Verizon store from stating that it's impossible though.
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] tpike:
That's cause there's no money in doing that. They'd rather lose the 40 bucks because there are enough suckers who bite on the pitch and lose the data. I've gotten the people in the call center to upgrade when the store wouldn't
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] robbyoconnor:
You didn't have to do it...get the upgrade on another phone then just use it for your unlimited account...
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] aholeinthewor1d:
Can't even believe the nightmare I'm going through right now. I was going to add a second line but ended up just upgrading like normal and getting the 6gb for the price of 2. Well first of all what a nightmare that was on its own. So I decided to then return the phone and get my unlimited back. You have 14 day to totally undo the changes and get your old plan back. I had no doubt about this and was reassured by many Verizon reps. I mean legally they have to. Well I returned the device in store and they told me I had to call about the unlimited which I knew they would say. So I called and the kid sounded new and had no clue what I was talking about. He had to check with someone and then figured out he had to submit a request. He told me they would call within 3 days to let me know. I even said "what do you mean to let me know? I have 14 days blah blah" and he said I would get it they would just call to confirm. Well I got no call so I called today and the lady was really helpful. She said the request got denied. She put in another one and agreed legally they had to put it back and she said she filled out the request form differently to get someone's attention and also said she put some "professionally" rude comments in there. I am also about to go over the 6gb so she put in a thing so that I automatically get credited for up to 3 extra GB so that way I don't have to deal with the headache of calling about that. I know verzion wants everyone OFF of unlimited..but without upgrading they cannot legally change your contract..and the fact that I returned the device within 14 days means I should get it back. When I asked the lady what happens when it gets denied again she said I would then have to decide how I want to pursue it (legally I guess)...I mentioned asking for someone higher up when I called back and she said "honestly we can get you up to a supervisor but as long as the rep you talk to knows what they are doing then there is nothing a supervisor can do that they can't" and then explained how obviously they try to avoid escalating just like any phone support company does and that they do it sometimes just because it makes the customer feel they are getting somewhere when in reality they cannot do anything more than a rep. So yes I cannot even believe this is something I have to fight like this for..so when they deny it again I have no clue what to do except call every day cause I will not accept the fact that I gave my phone back and I'm still using my old one yet I have 6gb compared to unlimited. Not gonna happen