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[Galaxy S 5 General] illuniel:
art vs dalvik

hi all,

my review is that i changed to art from dalvik on the second week of owning this s5 (all stock, nonrooted) last april. everything was fine and stable then. It felt really speedy because i had just moved from a note 1 to this. I also had experienced no FC's or any kind of instability. I only use this phone for the basic stuff, camera, plus touchdown. I thought all was normal and i was 'living with' the camera lag as I thought it was just flaky advertising that it was speedy with 3 second camera focusing.

Then, sometime in the past 3 weeks, the phone would heat up, occasionally hang, and drain its battery like there was no tomorrow. That was only recoverable using a battery pull. It was getting to me so i tried to find the error and installed OS Monitor to see if there was some background process eating up any resources. I had found a recurring process called kswapd0 coming up every now and then eating up more than 20% CPU time.

I find that strange as android is built not to need swap which is what this kernel process is for. so, I tried google-ing around for errors related to the kswapd0 on the S5 even in this forum but found it for other phones only.

After going through this thread, It occured to me to try to get out of ART and go back to DALVIK and i tried that just now. Bam. Phone feels and behaves snappier. Even the camera is faster loading, focusing, and taking photos.

Will be testing this more for the next 'as long as it feels stable' and report back anything.

so far, conclusion is: stay with Dalvik!

Cheers!
[Galaxy S 5 General] adoksh:
Tried using the ART mode on my Galaxy S5. It must be noted that this is the Indian version of the S5.

The Galaxy S5 in India is powered by Exynos 5422 processor and not the Qualcom. It is a processor with 8 cores.The A15 cores in Exynos 5422 run at 1.9GHz and the A7 cores run at 1.3GHz.

ART mode on this was terrible. For starters the lag was large. Clicking the menu took about 8 seconds for it to open. It was similar for other functions too. Call log took about 15 seconds to open. Notifications did not turn up.

Is this due to the processor difference?
[Galaxy S 5 General] chromatica86:
Art disables too much to be worth while on the s5 right now.

I'm constantly explaining to people that private mode does not work with art.
[Galaxy S 5 General] Lanze777:
Art Runtime system for Galaxy S5

Hello, I switched from delvik too ART and I noticed that if you aren't hooked up too a Good or great Wi-Fi that it takes forever. It'll say it's optimizing all your apps, but I tried installing it several times before having a great Wi-Fi , on 4g lte and when it restarted in was optimizing 15 more apps, but when I unlocked the screen it brought up a lot of apps that weren't working, it switched itself back to delvik several times, but I finally sent a report to android and asked them to fix the bugs and within a half hour my phone was running great! Just make sure you have at least a gig of space before switching, I think that was another problem I was having because my phone is loaded with apps that the memory was full, So I went through with an app that allows you to put some of your apps on your sd card, and that may have helped as well.

I Hope this post helps someone that had the same problem I did. I Love the ART system and the upgrades, can notice a little better performance all around.

Thanks,

Lanze777

P.S.

My phone kept restarting as well when I tried to hook up to my WiFi, or just hit certain buttons on my phone, Don't give up though, other a clean cache, and Good phone memory, it should work for you just fine! Nd if you Don't like it, out can always switch Back to Delvik, and it won't bother your phone at all! Please give a thumbs up if this he's anyone with these same problems. Thanks again!
[Galaxy S 5 General] moudy75799:
Does installing a custom recovery trips knox or makes me lose warranty
[Galaxy S 5 General] racakg:
Custom recovery trips knox and in some countries you will lose warranty.
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario General] theorist:
hi. i was using my IM+ today and i received an MMS message (for the first time ever in three months) and for some reason, it said i had to disconnect from my other GPRS using applications to download or send the mms.

is this truly the case? i have to use mms on a pure, unused gprs connection? and why? thanks.
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario General] theorist:
bump
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario General] baygins:
Could it be anything to do with the different GPRS connections you have on the phone and the individual proxy/WAP settings each one has?

Usually to download the MMS message, the phone needs to the reach the MMSC through a WAP account using a special proxy and finally reaching the servlet to execute/download the message.

Any GSM experts out there?

--selim
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario General] theorist:
hi baygins, does that happen to you as well?
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario General] GapBoyT:
You have to be connected to WAP to download MMS messages on TMobile.

I dunno if the rest are all the same.
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario General] baygins:
It used to happen to me when I was using my SE P900. I havent received any MMS's lately, so I cannot tell. But, since the general way MMS works is the same, I would think the MDA would behave the same way.
[Sony Xperia T, TL, TX, V] adsada arc:
It appears my phone has a fault where the computer doesn't detect the phone when its plugged in via flash mode. So my only opion is to try and over the air update, which the website states go to: Settings > About phone > Software updates > System updates, however 'Software updates' isn't listed anywhere.. anyone know why

thanks
[Sony Xperia T, TL, TX, V] St.Jimmy90:
Do you have stock rom installed? Is your bootloader LOCKED?
[Sony Xperia T, TL, TX, V] adsada arc:
yep I am on stock rom and my bootloader is locked
[Sony Xperia T, TL, TX, V] St.Jimmy90:
Maybe it's called different... On my phone its settings - about phone - update center
[Sony Xperia T, TL, TX, V] adsada arc:
Nope it says nothing at all the options are, statue, legal infomation, model number, android version, baseband version, kernel version and build number..
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Asabi Geliştirici:
I am looking a best rom for Battery performance. I am using i9500. few times I try some custom roms but I didnt any result. Do you suggest any rom as "flash exactly!" ? sorry for my worse English :D
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Asabi Geliştirici:
up up

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[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Repulsa:
"best" rom arent allowed here in xda mate :) feel free to try them for yourself. :)
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Asabi Geliştirici:
No,not best rom. Looking for give best battery usage rom

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[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] jamiethemac:
In my experience, pretty much every ROM will give you better battery performance along with a host of other advantages. Play around with a few til you find one you like :o
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Ky0sHiR0:
I think pure AOSP rom with good batter performance kernel : )
[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Asabi Geliştirici:
I will install Crash or Lidroid rom. Which is better?

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[Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] malybru:
Mod Edit

Whichever way you word it...

"Best" or "Recommend" ROM/kernel threads are not allowed on XDA.

Please test these things for yourself.

This is the only way you will get an unbiased opinion,and then, you can decide for yourself if it meets YOUR needs.

Don't forget to make a nandroid before you start.

Thread Closed

malybru

Forum Moderator
[General Questions and Answers] jialong.david:
Which better?
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 5] Pure+:
Really curious to see if we have any Devs working on the AT&T S5 yet? If so, when do you all think we can expect to start seeing some stuff in the development threads? Obviously BL needs unlocking, if possible. Do we know of anyone working on this?

Thanks Guys!!!:D
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 5] CZ Eddie:
Wow, you haven't read this forum much before posting, have you. :D

No root yet = no development yet.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 5] Pure+:
I am aware there is no root. If your insinuating that there is some other thread on the subject, I am fairly certain there is not. If you mean something different entirely then would you please elaborate?
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 5] sabre31:
My S5 is coming in today. Locked boot loader means no development ever except for maybe some safe strap stuff much later down the road which is just rehash of stock roms. No AOSP or CM.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 5] karmuh:
I personally don't really care about roms, as I like the new Touchwiz and don't want to lose some of its nice features. I would like to have root, though. Hopefully someone finds a way for that to happen soon.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 5] Pure+:
Edited OP to clarify on some confusion about exactly what I was asking.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 5] Pure+:
Yes indeed. I just want some debloat and maybe a cusom kernel for minor performance tweaks.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 5] djkinetic:
Get chainfire the stock recovery for the phone and it will have root.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 5] Pure+:
Can you please elaborate?
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 5] ghost77:
Not available for ATT version of the phone, I hope it will sometime soon, not having root sucks.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 5] djkinetic:
Chainfire needs to the stock recovery to build root for the device, basically auto root by chainfire modifies stock recovery temporarily, flashes su then flashes back stock firmware through odin.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 5] Pure+:
How does one do that? I'll do it now. I just need instruction.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 5] djkinetic:
You can't pull recovery without root on your device, the only thing we ATT users can do is wait for Samsung to post the firmware which they havent, SM-G900A is the ATT model number, Tmo and Sprint are already up so they already have root.

---------- Post added at 12:01 PM ---------- Previous post was at 11:59 AM ----------

http://www.sammobile.com/firmwares/

keep refreshing and hope it gets posted soon lol.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 5] iB4STiD:
hmm
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 5] djkinetic:
Keep in mind guys that if the ATT BL is locked chances are CF Root will fail to flash or boot even if CF builds one for ATT...also if this happens knox warranty is tripped leaving you without warranty coverage and no root...likely a new KK exploit will have to be found...hope I'm wrong about the BL as I'd like to get rid of bloat before handing the phone off to GF..
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 5] chrispyutec:
Wow this iB4STiD person has some serious thanks racked up!!! Hey iB4STiD, are you going to be working on stuff for the S5?
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 5] MattMJB0188:
You better hope he is. He was one of my favorite S4 developers. :D
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 5] sabre31:
He just released some excellent roms for the M8...and they all rock.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 5] AxAtAx:
I am all over this, there will be a Vision rom soon!:good::good:
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 5] djkinetic:
There won't be anything if devs cant find a root exploit
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 5] AxAtAx:
I think I know this, it said soon! And it will happen.....:good::good:
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 5] johnnyutah22:
Great to hear. Do you know something we don't as far as root goes? Safestrap, CF Auto, something else? Please let us in on this secret.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 5] surf1:
Praying to the Android Gods that a root option w/o tripping Knox is found
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 5] AxAtAx:
I know a person working on this, lets wait until he does the release, shall we!:good::good:
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 5] djkinetic:
According to chainfire, if the S4/Note3 was rooted via modifying system, the S5 could be vulnerable to the same exploit...just a wait and see what happens.

Here's his exact quote: Anyone know if the S4/Note3 on AT&T/Verizon were able to be rooted with modified system? If that is the case, rooting those variants will not be that difficult, just time consuming.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 5] jaxf250:
Best news all day. Fingers crossed!

Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-G900A
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 5] dcd17:
Yes! Bring on the Goldeneye... Two days w/out it and I'm jonesing!
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 5] Boraltis:
Yeah, don't lose hope. The Note 3 dropped with a locked BL (which still hasn't been defeated) and Designgears and Chainfire had root for us within a few weeks, if I remember correctly. You find out just how much you can accomplish with Xposed framework under those conditions lol. And once hashcode gets safestrap running on the phone, you'll get a nice collection of roms going. You really can't **** around with the kernel, so it's all Touchwiz-based, but major tweaks, debloating and theming are nothing to scoff at.

Just be patient. It's all you can do right now.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 5] Pure+:
I just ed looked around at some of your work. Looks great. Can't wait for the s5 to get a try at it. Now we just need root.....
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 5] Lostatsea23:
He's alright ;) Lmao
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 5] jayv81:
This is all I need. Not knocking ASOP roms but I just like TW.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 5] Boraltis:
Same here, especially with the Note. You nuke the S-Pen features when you abandon Touchwiz.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 5] Pure+:
And now there's even more reason to like TW with the refinements samsung has made. It's better than ever.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 5] Lostatsea23:
True. Need to get rid of all this bloat though.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 5] Pure+:
Yeah for sure. I honestly don't know who uses the bloat apps? Especially since there are after market apps that are 1000x better at doing the same jobs.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 5] surf1:
I'm actually with you guys on this. I never cared for TW stock before, but Sammy nailed it on this phone, no lags or anything, just smooth and fast. Don't care for icons but that's an easy fix. I used shostock on my S2 which yeah was TW based but it was so refined, and had better battery life then all the other S2 roms I tried and hardly any hiccups like happened in other roms.

So I'd be fine with safe strap and TW based, mainly just to remove bloat and hopefully not trigger Knox.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 5] Pure+:
It's funny how the only thing samsung didn't do right was that instead of truly making 4 different colors of the phone, they just popped some different colored backs onto the black variant and called them different. Other wise they definitely nailed just about everything on the phone.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 5] johnnyutah22:
Not good news, Chainfire posted this in the CF-Auto Root thread.

"We have just confirmed that various inventive ways patching system doesn't work either for VZW and AT&T models, so there goes that avenue.

Seems now that exploit-based is the only avenue for these models. I don't do those, so you'll have to wait around for someone who does."
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 5] karmuh:
Yeah, we pretty much knew this already -- his method doesn't work on locked bootloaders. However, according to some talk around here, there may be some devs that know another method used to achieve root, so hopefully that turns out to be true.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 5] nbrent1007:
I find it truly amazing that this device isnt rooted yet with all the devs out there. Wow
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 5] djkinetic:
I dont think many devs picked up the ATT Version due to locked BL.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 5] nbrent1007:
I understand i just feel att is one of the worlds largest providers there has to be someone out there lol
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 5] karmuh:
There is, just give it time. It's only been 2 days since it officially launched. Root will happen, just gotta be patient.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 5] MattMJB0188:
This. When the S4 got its bootloader locked in an OTA update, many developers abandoned the device entirely. The T-Mobile S5 is another story.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 5] bvrr0:
I'm thinking about returning my S5 now since I feel like I need the ability to have custom roms and root.

I mainly stayed away from HTC this time because of the nightmare that was my HTC one x when they were trying to find exploits for that.

But now i'm starting to think that it may be easier to just get the M8.

I like both phones and just thought it would be nice to have a removable battery this time around.

What do you guys think about that?
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 5] Lostatsea23:
The removable battery thing doesn't matter too much since both phones have amazing battery life
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 5] bvrr0:
That's true. I guess that just makes my decision harder.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 5] djkinetic:
I have the M8 as my personal device, love it, a day after release got it and unlocked bl via HTC Dev, then 9 days later s-off. If you need custom roms, kernels, root then M8 all the way, you won't regret the switch....I bought my GF an S5 on ATT and she loves it, but she doesnt do any of the custom stuff so it doesn't matter to her. Root will eventually come for the S5 ATT but its a matter of when..a true BL Unlock/bypass likely is out of the question (Safe strap maybe, but that only gets u custom stock TW roms). If you really want an S5 that works with ATT and Unlocked bl get a TMO one, I have one on order for my business line. Only thing is you will need to sim unlock it.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 5] Br4nd3n:
Patience is a virtue people. The AT&T S5 WILL have root, in due time. The TouchWiz OS is extremely refined and honestly just needs to be debloated with Xposed. Switching to AOSP isn't worth losing the features the TW framework gives you. Xposed gives many AOSP styled customizations and with a 3rd party launcher such as Nova or Apex you can get an even better experience while keeping your TW features alive.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 5] Greycloak42:
Yeah, for once touchwiz doesn't bother me. I wouldn't put aosp on this phone after seeing how effective the power saving optimizations on tw.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 5] TOA Duck:
There are still too many people, me being one, who will never be able to live without aosp.

I am so pulling for the devs though cause if the note 4 is not able to be unlocked when it comes ....Well I'm afraid I'll throw myself in the river.

I have a question, if someone gets their hands on a developer version, would that solve all our problems and provide an unlock?
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 5] CZ Eddie:
No, it won't. The only Developer Edition is the Verizon S5.

And there was also a Verizon S4 Developer Edition but it didn't help the non-dev edition VZW S4 people. Not one bit.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 5] Br4nd3n:
It'd been really surprising if the Note 4 wasn't Blocked. My S4 is on AOKP, and I do love AOSP. After experiencing this TW though I for once want to stay, it seemed slow on the S4 but very swift on here. I'm assuming because the 801 and OS improvements. I do want root on my 900A though, mainly for xposed.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 5] daj102:
So is this the firmware that we are waiting for (sorry for the URL format; XDA doesn't let me post outside links yet)

sammobile DOT com SLASH firmwares/3/?download=28224

Honestly, reading through this thread is making me want to return my S5 ... nice phone, nice hardware, but TW is driving me crazy, and I don't think I need the features it brings. The fingerprint scanner is meh at best, and all the 'features' like staying on while I look at it, etc ... don't seem to work for me.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 5] djkinetic:
Firmware is nice to have, but its not what's needed to root the 900A or VZW, a proper exploit needs to be found by somebody. How long that takes is anyone's guess.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 5] az-dave:
Not having root doesnt just Suck, Its BLOWS SUCKS. I now have an AT&T S5 that in all honestly, I cant stand.

I was a happy, Rooted, Verizon S3 owner. Its rooted because I HATE most of the new versions of JB and "KitKat" that come out. I cant stand the new Maps app, it blows (re-zooming out whenever phone is turned or screen goes black - making it completely worthless for someone who uses it to nav).

The new Faux Windows-8 setup of menus and such is worthless on the new S5...no toggles until you do the additional clicks INTO each setting...why? Why - because this seems to be the new norm for virtually ALL developers...they think people WANT to click click click their way thru endless menus and they think dumbed-down icons somehow improve usability. Why bother doubling processor speed when your going to make the icons so bland?

I have more gripes too, like the dumb bubbles that we now get to see whenever touching the lock screen....ripple effect, lights, nope, just dumb, plain old no-graphics quality bubbles. Dumb.

Make my phone faster, then strip it to the bones. Wow. how impressive. And why do we need all the speed when the Apps for it SUCK!

Weather widget...Blows! Give me my S3 weather widget with NICE graphics back...Give me my OLD alarm 2x1 widget with a Simple black background, Not the 4x1 with blue graphics background (yes, the made SOME apps have more graphics, but MOST with less...no rhyme or reason as to why). I want a SIMPLE alarm clock exactly where it was on my S3...Nope, cant have it without root.

Infinite revolving screens - Nope...took that away...Cant allow a user to select from end-to-end, or infinite now can we, must make the change for sake of change...now I get to...click and swipe more to get to other screens...just cuz.

My overall review: A lot about NOTHING, Id rather have my S3 or S4 back and wait for a fully-rooted Custom ROM S5...but something tells me we are not gunna get that for AT&T or Verz.

My S5 is basically a BRICK out of the box. Im glad my company paid for it and not me.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 5] cyberace1985:
you can do some of that with out root but not all of it..... i guess you cant please everyone though
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 5] Br4nd3n:
If you're that irritated at the new TW or KK features and setup than why did you bother to get the S5 in the first place? If you knew about the S4 you'd realize it was a locked BL, and the S5 would of been also. Maybe you should see if you're company will switch it for the M8 since your 15 days isn't up.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 5] TOA Duck:
Stay positive gents. There are some talented devs out there.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 5] Pure+:
Well. I love the S5. It's awesome. But I'll hate myself forever if I don't give the M8 a fair shake. Gonna exchange and give it 2 weeks then make the decision about which phone I truly want.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 5] Pure+:
Hopefully during those 2 weeks we'll see some real breakthroughs in development on the S5.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 5] surf1:
I hope, only complaint I have with the phone is the bloat and stupid S-Health that keeps popping up after calls and other stuff, annoying. Just want root to remove all the bloat. Otherwise awesome phone.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 5] dcd17:
I'm seriously considering returning the phone and then bailing on ATT to take advantage of the incentives at TMobile. I've been with ATT for about 15 years, spent countless thousands with them, and currently have 4 lines with them but I've had enough of this crap. Things get worse with every single release, I don't see why we should play ball with these companies anymore. I've got no problem waiting on root, but from the chatter both here and on the Verizon board, things are looking really grim. I've never seen a device with so little hope out of the gate.

This is a great device right out of the box, but we really do need root access to take advantage of things like tasker and xposed.

I really hope someone at ATT reads this stuff now and then but I highly doubt it matters to them...
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 5] Br4nd3n:
I'll gladly donate a good sum of $$ to the people that find an exploit to give me root. I plan on sticking with TW, but I am very very much missing tasker, my greenify root methods, and some sexy xposed customizations.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 5] jayv81:
We can always start a bounty for the first dev to get us root. That should be a good incentive.