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[Fire TV General] imtiajmeah:
Does anyone know the difference between the 2. Is it a firmware, hardware or just a sales gimmick?

I've bought the old pro version a couple of days before the FTV version was released....
[Fire TV General] tarvoke:
my guess is maybe they are finally shipping something with latest firmware? I read about the playpads and some of their other gamepads - can be buggy from shipping with old firmware. and they do provide newer firmware through some terrible app that people hate.

oh and one other thing was like, you have to upgrade the firmware incrementally.

so one of the things that pissed people off was, the first firmware *has* to be done on a device of android 4.1 or lower - or either it just won't work or maybe it will brick your controller. and then the next upgrade *has* to be from a device android 4.2 or higher, etc.

so yeah maybe they just wanted to be sure of not pissing off a bunch of vocal spamazon customers right at this big launch/release ........ ???

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also, the chatpads arrived! no dice on firetv, no dice on ouya/KitKat, and, get this - doesn't even work in windows...!!! (someone actually wrote a nice open source windows driver for it lol. but I have not tried it yet)

obviously the wired controller itself is well supported in windows, and also the default HID/input drivers in android & linux. but microsoft in their infinite wisdom decided to somehow take a bunch of time to make the chatpad do something weird, instead of simply tacking on to the generic USB HID input of the main controller. yay.

but there is a userspace program for linux called xboxdrv, ubuntu has a package for it, even - I gave it a try and the chatpad works perfectly. and there are reports of Rpi people getting it working (good news: ARM. bad news: android generally doesn't have a proper build environment. even worse news: android is different enough from "regular" lunix that necessary binary archives like libusb, libboost, x11proto-core, ....... are all missing.)

I guess with a decent ARM toolchain, the program could be built statically and not have to worry about all those libraries being present on the target firetv? but, man, that sounds like way too much work for way too little return. it sure was a good idea tho...

or maybe bribe one of those Rpi users to make a static version ;)
[Fire TV General] imtiajmeah:
I just got an email reply from nyko and just confirmed it's a firmware update.. I have requested details on how to update for people with the older device. .. will let you all know once I have more details.
[Fire TV General] tarvoke:
ah, here it is: beware :eek:
[Fire TV General] imtiajmeah:
Thanks buddy...... I just got a reply back from them.... they advised that I will not be able to update the old Pro Pad to the new FTV firmware, and to return it and order the new one.

Not a happy bunny with a reply like that.
[Fire TV General] 2fastkuztoms:
Thanks for the in deep input, I would be great if it worked but no luck, like you said, too much hassle, there's a lot of cheap mini keyboards options to use.

I ordered the dongle at least I can use the controller to play, now I need to decide what keyboard to buy.
[Fire TV General] imtiajmeah:
Hi guys,

After contacting Nyko CS again with my disappointment with the lack of FTV firmware update they sent me the below reply. I've not tried it yet... If anyone is brave enough please update us all. He advised its not the exact Firmware as the FTV version of the Nyko Pad Pro.... but it's the best we will get.

Please download the PC and Mac updater version from this link, https://www.dropbox.com/sh/nrbp4fefwwu2g6l/IYv8irXZaU, and be sure to follow the directions below.

After you unzip the file you will need to plug your PlayPad into the PC with your USB, then while holding down the UP D-pad button and the A button, press the reset pinhole button on the back of the controller. This will put the PlayPad into update mode and the lights will cycle on the PlayPad, once the lights are moving you are ready. Open the program that I sent and click to add the firmware, then select the Nyko PlayPad Pro bin file, now you can select update firmware to update. Once it is finished sync it to your device and it should be good to go.

Best,

Justin

Customer Service Representative

Nyko Technologies

Follow: [MENTION=606060]nyko[/MENTION]Tech

Like: facebook.com/NykoTech
[Fire TV General] kairnage:
I just got mine so I have nothing to lose. I will give it a shot after I find out how to verify the version. I got an e-mail from them that if my refurb was done done in the last 30 days it will have the latest firmware, but if course he didn't tell me how to find the firmware version.
[Fire TV General] kairnage:
I may have got a dud refurb. it works fine in the OS but not any fire games. I did the update from PC and reflashed from the Anroid app on my Venue 8. So the firmware worked. I am going to pair it to my Ouya and see what happens.
[Fire TV General] kairnage:
So more reading and it appears it may not be a dud. A common problem with the older version of the Playpad Pro is games recognizing it properly. I connected it to my Ouya and GTA didn't see it at all. Deadly Dungeon saw it fine, Order and Chaos saw it but a couple of buttons didn't work. Mind you in all of them it works perfect in the OS. I am going to try their Playgound app because it supposedly let's you properly configure the pad and tell you what games will work.
[Fire TV General] iamtek7:
I have two of the Nyko Playpad Pro's that I got from Gamestop. These are not the "Kindle Fire" ones but the android ones. I took the leap and did the firmware update and it worked without incident. I cannot see any change in any functionality yet (only did one to check the two).

My Playpad Pro's worked flawlessly out of the box so I'm not sure what changed but will keep all posted.

(Got Nostalgia.NES working with this (setup as PS3 controller) and it works great!
[Fire TV General] F0n5:
I have a wireless 360 controller and a receiver. Everything works great in the menus, however when I try to play sev-zero all the controls are screwed up. This doesn't happen with the wired controller... Any ideas?
[Fire TV General] mooseass:
I have a moga pro and am getting fire TV soon. Happy to hear its working so well

Also have a moga pocket laying around... Any chance that one works also?
[Fire TV General] Montisaquadeis:
Anyone tried a Logitech Dual Action yet?
[Fire TV General] archa1c:
This is probably the best suggestion yet for people who don't already own a bluetooth controller or Moga.

You're getting two functional devices in one. A controller for gaming on the go, and a controller for gaming on the Fire TV. Thanks for verifying that it works!
[Fire TV General] Vidikron:
I have a Moga pocket and it doesn't seem to work. It doesn't show up on the Bluetooth pair screen at all.
[Fire TV General] underworld1234:
Can you use Wii remote with the Fire TV?
[Fire TV General] krelvinaz:
My PlayPad Pro arrived today. It is not what I ordered. I ordered the one that was supposed to be for the FireTV.. This one says Android 3.0 and Up "Wireless Game Controller for Tablets and Smart Phones".

Not sure if I should even bother to take it out of the box.

The barcode on the outside box says it matches the order, but the Inside box says it is something else...

The picture shows the back of the box which has an inner box which shows the corner on the left side. The barcode is on the outside box. Have not opened the other box to see what it has yet.
[Fire TV General] justin6162:
how can i connect my wii remote?
[Fire TV General] kairnage:
That is the new one. the one you don't want is the one with the Tegra 3 decal on the back of the outer sleeve. The inner box is the same, but the outer sleeves are different. The new one is still compatible with all the stuff the old one was.
[Fire TV General] kairnage:
I finally got around to taking a closer look at my new one and the old one. The serial will be different. The old one shows 26Mhz as the operating frequency and the old one shows 2.4GHz. I haven't checked playground yet but I am willing to be the firmware versions are identical. which likely means that the Amazon gamepad games should work but it will probably have the same issues with some android games that the older version had.
[Fire TV General] krelvinaz:
I sent support a question about why where was no info on how to use the controller with the FireTV when that is what it was advertised to be for.

They sent back the following:

I won't be able to play until this evening... to see how this works.
[Fire TV General] kairnage:
So far it performs exactly as the older version. The Playground App can see it but can;t identify the firmware version so something has changed. I loaded Bard Tale, Fire TV version, and it can't launch the game. It doesn;t recognize the menu button on either controller. Asphalt 8 works perfect,.Carmegeddon and Deus X both have issues with the sticks and d-pad.
[Fire TV General] krelvinaz:
I just gave it a try... funny part was when it did the pairing, I was looking on the right side of the box for it to show up.... and then started looking at the controller to find out why (correct switch setting)... finally, noticed that it has popped up on the left side of the box.

Tried it with XBMC and it worked well for that where I really had no way to use it before... funny now that XBMC sees my media as before it wouldn't.

Not owning any games... downloaded Asphalt 8 to check that out but I am currently downloading the large extra data it needs to play first. Looks like it will take a while. I don't play a lot of games.
[Fire TV General] kairnage:
I was a Need for Speed freak so all of the Android Racing games are a little bit of a let down for me. But that doesn't mean they aren't good in their own right I am just jaded. lol
[Fire TV General] archa1c:
Gamestop Red Saumrai Works ($15)

This is a great deal on a decent controller. Only $15 at Gamestop (US) right now.

http://www.gamestop.com/android/accessories/tablet-wireless-game-controller-v2/104425

I just tested it and it works well for Asphalt 8 and GTA.

Here's a video of it in use on a tablet for some other games (not my video, but gives you an idea on potential compatibility).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FJW3SIYpC0Q
[Fire TV General] DroidIt!:
I saw the Logitech F710 and thought it looked really good so I bought it. I fiddled with it for 10 minutes and couldn't get it to function at all. Not on the amazon home screen, in XBMC, or in a game. Love how the controller feels. Anybody else have this one that got it to work?

from my N7
[Fire TV General] hottnikkz:
Any idea how to change the functionality of the Xbox 360's start and back buttons? They respond with the menu and back buttons respectively which seems cool at first but not when you try to map those buttons in an emulator and all of a sudden you can't use the start button. Maybe I'm doing something wrong? Guess I'd rather just have the Fire TV remote handy if I needed to access those Android functions. Thanks!
[Fire TV General] Montisaquadeis:
Have yout tried changing it from directinput to xinput or the other way around? Switch is on the top of hte controller between the shoulder buttons
[Fire TV General] ahoslc:
So since the PlayPad Pro for Fire tv are out of stock for who knows how long. Do you think I am ok with ordering the PlayPad Pro for Android ? What exactly does not work well with them?
[Fire TV General] kairnage:
According to Nyko they are identical. if you get the latest firmware update you should be fine. The Playground app works and will check the version it comes with. Mine came with the 100 version already installed. Both perform the same. My only concern is the Playground app doesn;t see the Playpad Pro for Fire TV but when I contacted Nyko they sent me the same firmware. When I asked about that that is when they told me they are identical.
[Fire TV General] hottnikkz:
Looks like it was an emulator thing. Another emulator allowed me to use the buttons. For those wondering it was SuperGNES (not working) vs Snes 9x EX+ (works great) in my case.
[Fire TV General] DroidIt!:
No, I didn't. Actually thought that was an on/off switch since one side had the x on it. [emoji56] I'll give that a try. :)

from my N5
[Fire TV General] Montisaquadeis:
Not an on/off switch since there are 2 main methods that work on PC the older Directinput and the newer Xinput that has become standard in pc game.
[Fire TV General] cdoty:
Both seem to work fine with the Amazon Fire TV. I bought that Android one at GameStop (has Tegra 3 Logo) and bought the FireTV one from Amazon.

I requested the updated Firmware, and they sent a link to the same file listed on the Playpad Pro page.
[Fire TV General] superkoot:
I tried to used mine but no luck so far. You can go to the menu and search for remotes and then use the red button on the back of the wii remote to pair the device. It shows up as "Nintendo...." but I get an error when it tries to pair. If anyone has been successful, let us know.
[Fire TV General] Rumblebelly5:
I bought a moga pivot and still cannot get it too link with my fire tv, anyone get this to work or can point me in the right direction?
[Fire TV General] daillest319:
is there anyway to link the ps4 controller to the blue tooth?
[Fire TV General] shanecrow99:
I just bought the Red Samurai Bluetooth Tablet Game Controller from Game Stop for about $16 over the weekend. Paired up perfectly with my Fire TV. I was able to map the buttons in a few emulators with no problem.

If anybody is looking for a gamepad that closely resembles a PS3 SixAxis, this is it. It looks like Game Stop is clearancing these out so I wouldn't wait around if you are going to grab one.
[Fire TV General] nstern2:
Anyone know how to fully use a usb 360 controller? I tried mapping it in n64oid but the start button is used for bringing up the menu. Also the right analog can not be mapped at all.

Also is there anything that can be done to get a wii remote working? I side loaded the wiiremote ime apk and it finds and connects to my wii remote, and even recognizes that I have a classic controller plugged in, but I'm not able to switch the IME, so no other app recognizes it.
[Fire TV General] superkoot:
I still haven't had any luck with the wii remotes, I'm currently using the nyko and it is decent. I had the same issue with mapping start/select but I've found that most emulators will recognize the stick-press-down button as a separate input and I've been using that as start/select.
[Fire TV General] quantang:
Did anyone get wii U pro control to work?
[Fire TV General] shanecrow99:
I agree. I am onlyt using my controller for emulation stuff (NES, SNES, TG16, etc) and it works great. Should hold me till root is made public then I will switch to my SixAxis PS controller.
[Fire TV General] to0:
Picked up a red samurai controller today and am seeing substantial latency with it. I press jump and Mario will jump like a half a second later. Nobody else is having that issue?
[Fire TV General] shanecrow99:
Not here. Maybe try a different emulator? See if the problem is with the controller or the emulator software.
[Fire TV General] bradr00lzd00d1:
Does yours work with minecraft or modern combat 4? I can move back and forth and shoot on modern combat 4 but cant turn or look up or down. I cant do anything on minecraft.
[Fire TV General] kairnage:
It will do that on either version. When I recently asked about compatibility they said they couldn't guarantee compatibility with every app, even apps certified for the Amazon controller. Deus X, Bard's Tale, and a few more have similar problem. No Yaxis, no select/menu functions.
[Fire TV General] bradr00lzd00d1:
Well thats upsetting. Looks like ill be reselling and buying the official fire tv one.
[Fire TV General] skeptic_always:
Since I haven't seen anyone mention this (I may have missed it), I tried the Nyko ProPad. This is the little one, not the Pro version. Even though everything I found though google claimed they should be the same other than physical size, I couldn't get it to work. I tried it fresh out of the box, updated firmware via my Android tablet, tried the PC firmware update method, nothing. Held the button for slow blink, fast blink, anything I could think of. I returned it for an official FTV remote which works great.

I'm pretty sure it wasn't a hardware issue, the ProPad paired with my Android tablet fine, and the new FTV controller paired with the FTV fine.
[Fire TV General] sqlunix:
Green Atlas BlueTooth Controller

I am trying to pair a green atlas bluetooth controller and its not working. I am able to pair it to my galaxy s3 phone just fine. When I try to pair it to the fire tv, it sees the device, but when I tell it to pair, it just sits there and then says "pairing unsuccessful". I have new batteries, I have tried getting closer to the fire tv, but nothing works. The lights on the controller just blink the whole time as well. Any suggestions?
[Fire TV General] wunderdrug:
iCade 8-bitty

I managed to get an iCade 8-bitty game controller to work. It takes a tiny bit

of fiddling, and it's probably not useful for most people as it only works with

games which support the iCade protocol (based on HID keystrokes -- which

basically boils down to emulators such as MAME).

Normally, the Fire TV will not let you pair a BT keyboard through the Settings

menu. However, by side-loading the standard Android Settings apk, you can.

- Following the tips from http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=2714494 to download and install the Settings apk.

- On the Fire TV's Settings / Applications menu, launch "Settings".

- In "Settings", click on the "Bluetooth" option under "Wireless & Networks".

- From there, select "Search for Devices" and pair your 8-bitty.

- Now, from emulators such as MAME4droid, you can go into the options menu and select iCade as the input device.

This might also work for other iCade-style controllers, but I don't have anything else to test with.
[Fire TV General] Stevie G:
Xbox 360 wireless controller

Hi guys

I've got a wireless xbox 360 controller, but. I cannot get it to work with my fire tv.

Dunno why it's not picking up
[Fire TV General] popypopy:
Those controllers do not use standard bluetooth or anything. You are using the wireless 360 pad dongle for PC? Mine works fine with that.
[Fire TV General] Stevie G:
No I don't use. Dongle
[Fire TV General] popypopy:
Then you are out of luck until you get one. They are like $10, much cheaper than the amazon controller if you already have the 360 controllers.
[Fire TV General] Newcron:
I couldn't even make the wired 360 controller to work (Gamestop version, not XBOX).

It initially detected it just fine and seemed to work, but then soon enough responses seemed to be randomized and I couldn't figure out which button to press for what. Not only that, it lags the interface greatly to the point that I'm not sure whether or not I clicked, and soon enough stuff are crashing all over the place I had to reboot.

Any tips?
[Fire TV General] popypopy:
I've seen it mentioned some 3rd party 360 controllers will not work well. I have a hori one that works fine, wired MS branded ones work fine, and wireless ones work fine with the dongle.

Since the hori works, and 'real' accessory maker's 360 pad should work, IMO. Something about the super generic stuff is out of whack.
[Fire TV General] Stevie G:
If I buy the PS3 wireless controller, does it also need a wireless adaptor or will it work without it.

Thinking of getting one.
[Fire TV General] popypopy:
PS3 controllers will not work. PS4 ones will work, but strangely.
[Fire TV General] Stevie G:
How you know the PS4 will work
[Fire TV General] popypopy:
From reading posts from other users in this forum and others when I was looking for a controller solution. I went with buying a 360 dongle for $11, since I have a ton of wireless 360 controllers already, this gave me 4 functional Fire controllers with only $11 spent.
[Fire TV General] bobq1979:
Could you tell me where I can buy this dongle?

I've seen a lot of dongles in ebay but I'd like to buy one tested with our Amazon TV.

Thanks a lot.

Have fun
[Fire TV General] bobq1979:
This keyboard-mouse works perfect with our Amazon TV.

Have fun
[Fire TV General] Stevie G:
Bought the SteelSeries Wireless Mobile Controller, works like a bomb.

I must still test more games, works nicely on Asphault 8
[Fire TV General] Montisaquadeis:
The reason the PS4 controller works and that the PS3 controller does not is because Sony went the sane route with the PS4 controller and made it Dinput compatible unlike the PS3 one which requires third party drivers to work on both Windows and Android. You need root on android to get the PS3 controller working.
[Fire TV General] popypopy:
Mine is a knockoff from amazon.com, any of those should work.
[Fire TV General] bobq1979:
Thanks a lot for your answer

Have fun
[Fire TV General] nstern2:
So now that we have root, is it possible to get into the language/keyboard settings to change the IME so wiimotes can be used or would a bootloader be needed for this?
[Fire TV General] treqie:
Yes, I've tried it. Works with a reciever, just like the 360 controller.
[Fire TV General] to0:
You mean like this? http://www.amazon.com/Wireless-Wii-Pro-Controller-Adapter/dp/B00E6553PW

Do you notice any delay with it at all?
[Fire TV General] treqie:
Yes, that one. And well I haven't tried it that thoroughly, but I doubt delay would be an issue.
[Fire TV General] deanemj:
Anyone manage to get any of the iCade series controllers paired? I have several different types and would love to get one going on my AFTV. I own the Amazon branded game controller but it kinda sucks.

Or maybe I'll just buy an Ouya on Craigslist for the controller.
[Fire TV General] to0:
CooL, thanks. Do you know if the single adapter supports multiple controls?

Can you also confirm that all buttons and both joysticks work?
[Fire TV General] Rockwell22:
How to you pair with ps4 controller do you need a dongle ? Or with it work via bluetooth search ? Or wired via usb
[Fire TV General] Montisaquadeis:
PS4 controller uses bluetooth so you just need that to get it working.
[Fire TV General] danknee:
PS3 controller is working for me via this method:
[Fire TV General] bobq1979:
I'll try it.thanks a lot

I got 2 remote controls of ps3

Have fun
[Fire TV General] bobq1979:
Are there more people using this method?

I don't know why it doesn't work.

Are you root?

Thanks a lot

Have fun
[Fire TV General] bobq1979:
Hello everyone

Yes.if you want to use ps3 controller tou have to be root.

I've made all process and my controler of ps3 works perfect.

Thank you very much.

Have fun
[Fire TV General] Montisaquadeis:
Yeah you can only get the Playstation 3 controller working via root. That is why it has taken so long to use them with the Fire TV.
[Fire TV General] deanemj:
How do we get generic Bluetooth controllers working? I've put several different BT controllers in pairing mode and attempted to pair them with my FTV using the game controller menu in settings but I haven't been able to pair a single one. It's frustrating as hell!:eek:
[Fire TV General] Dhickory:
Just an FYI, I saw in the 2nd post that Logitech F310 was supported. At first mine didn't work, but then I realized switch on the back wasn't in the "X" position. After switching it and taking the new firmware update, the F310 works just fine. It was late and I didn't try any games, but navigating worked just fine in the launcher and in XBMC.

Mine is a refurb about 2 yrs old, and works just fine. It's not ideal with a chord, but you can pick up a refurbished one for less than $20.