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[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] SirWise23:
Has anyone tried to E-mail Edward Snowden?
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] sureshot007:
We just need to convince the NSA that Korea is hiding something in there and they'd have it unlocked in no time.
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] tech_head:
General Dynamics, NSA and DoD already have keys.

Sent from my SCH-I545, KNOX Crippled Version.
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] corona63976:
wow random much lol

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if that were true then all would have same encryption not just a few carriers ...sorry stick the fork back in it cause the goose is not cooked.
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] tutorialbs:
Thanks tech_head, didn't realize how grim things were... guess I won't be buying an S5 afterall.

I will at least be letting Verizon why know, though, and I encourage everyone else to do the same:

https://www.change.org/petitions/verizon-grant-galaxy-s5-users-unlocked-bootloader-upon-request

http://www.verizonwireless.com/wcms/contact-us.html
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] DR4LUC0N:
[MENTION=4679353]tutorialbs[/MENTION] Sadfully no matter how many people we are here in the VZW S5 forum it's still less then like 2% of their non-root-needed customers who enjoy the phone without root. They couldn't even care less if we buy the S5 or not they'll pickup that 2% of us in sales in about a 1 month span... or less.
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] Dennisg34:
Yeah, petitions have come and gone every year with every phone. Get up to only 1k sigs and frankly Verizon just does not care

Exactly, this is why petitions don't work. Probably more like less than .5% of the S5 community wants root. We'd have to raise it to a Federal level, not from carrier.
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] DR4LUC0N:
They should make a patch where in the options you could request root on your own free will. so that way Android stays secure but gives us the option to do as we please knowing that our phones go out of warranty as soon as a custom rom is sent to the phone.
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] robbyoconnor:
I like this option...
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] DR4LUC0N:
I wouldn't even mind this option if they had a un-removable counter to tell the manufacturer that we have flashed a custom rom on to our phone so we can't claim warranty even if flashing stock rom back to our phone.
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] mcornish86:
How about putting $ for class action lawsuit suit against carriers? I bought my phone out right with no contract legal agreement so I sure as hell should be be able to do w/e I want with my phone. Class action lawsuit aren't expensive to get started right??
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] Walter.White:
[MENTION=2376614]jcase[/MENTION] just outta curiosity... Why is it easier to achieve s-off on HTC devices (firewater was released relatively quickly after m8 launch) then let say to achieve bl unlock/exploit on Sammy device?
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] spuniun:
Because I do not believe they are violating any laws nor infringing on any of your rights and any case brought would be groundless.
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] mcornish86:
So locking a bootloader and admin isn't infringing on my rights to do whatsoever with my phone. What about better business bureau?
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] jcase:
You bought a locked phone, while other options existed. Would be like buying a automatic, when you wanted a manual. Yes, they are expensive.

Easier to find and exploit bugs on HTC devices, many more bugs in their firmware.

BBB has no powers, and again it would be like complaining you bought an automatic when you wanted a manual, and were upset they wouldn't convert your car for you.
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] tutorialbs:
Good idea. I remember this from back in the day:

http://www.howardforums.com/showthread.php/544384-Verizon-Users-Sue-over-Crippled-V710
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] dlscott1111:
Day 57, I believe without root. Anyone else surprised we're nearing the 60 day mark?
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] robbyoconnor:
Either help or quit complaining.
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] dlscott1111:
Not complaining in the least. Where did you see a complaint? I've donated and will happily contribute.

Only way I know how to Guage root is by past examples. Seems like most phones are cracked around the 60 day mark?
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] robbyoconnor:
Then you have my apologies.
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] Walter.White:
No wonder devs don't trust bounties Sigh. Smh.

https://twitter.com/TeamAndIRC/status/475664513627197441
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] Demiurge7:
Yes that sucks. However, it is not necessarily the case for all bounties. Feel free to browse the others on xda; afterwards, many Ops then checked off who paid and who didn't. From those I looked at, I did not see any at that low of a percentage. Obviously it happened, but I do believe there would be much higher than 20% going to a dev who cracks the s5.

The xda community has soured over the years, and it is unfortunate the dishonest and the trolls have put-off so many valued developers...
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] Walter.White:
I hear you. I just wish there was kickstarter or something similar so devs get paid out what they see.
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] corona63976:
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[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] yoyochuckd:
I was under impression this thread was about progress of root / bootloader what not. Isn't there another place for politics?
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] Dennisg34:
As I've asked a few times, a highly respected and trustworthy DEV/MOD couldn't open a "Go Fund Me" account to where everyone pledging can put REAL money into their PayPal and then transfer the funds to whoever establishes root? This would be a great way to actually see REAL progresses of money anti'd up since you just don't pledge, but rather already donate the money.
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] spuniun:
And what do we do if that "trustworthy" individual steals the fund or awards it to someone prematurely? What's my recourse then?

What happens if root is not found for another 12 months and many of us no longer even have the device? How can we get or money back?

What happens if Verizon decided to shut it down and starts legal action against the service holding the funds?

There are, unfortunately, too many potential ways for that idea to go wrong for it to work any better than the honor system.
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] Dennisg34:
...that's the whole point of the "trustworthy" person. It wouldn't get stolen, nor prematurely awarded since it will be a MOD/DEV who would know that. If you no longer have the device then that's on you. Don't pledge money for something that you know is already a tough cookie to crack and then get something else. It's a better way than the "honor" system where Jcase even mentioned less than 20% pays out.
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] kprice8:
Not discounting the credibility of any Mod or Admin here as being dishonorable, but I still think I would rather pay personally to their Paypal when the time comes than pay to a GoFundMe being held by them and chance the idea of them going rogue with the money that has been 'donated' to the GoFundMe.. And as another point to this... WHAT IF, Root is not achieved with this device, and all that money sitting in limbo... How do I get my $100 back?
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] Dennisg34:
No responsible MOD/DEV would ever go rogue with other people's money. These people aren't thieves. And same way it got in, the person can return the money VIA paypal again.

This is for the DEVs who all mostly hate these bounties as most people never pay up and it turns to a big hassle and bunch of BS.
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] amaury48:
I, personally would give my donation directly to someone honorable such as "Jcase" up front and trust in him to do the right thing. If we can't trust these devs whom dedicate their personal time neglecting their families to a certain degree, just to help us enjoy our phones. If in a years time root isn't achieved, well then he can keep my money to help compensate him for all the time he had devoted to our cause.

$100 donation, over 6 months to a year, well then I have spent less than $10 a month for his work. Many of us here cannot begin to appreciate the time and effort that these devs dedicate to this.

Just my opinion........
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] kenkamm:
What he said.
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] Demiurge7:
I agree, but to play devils advocate a bit...

The respected dev says "I am pretty sure I can do this - but it will take X amount of time and therefore worth X for me to do this". I agree, I would have no problem sending my pledge upfront. But what happens when the amount of people who donate funds does not meet what would be deemed worthy of time invested by the dev? I am sure there are more than a few who would be hesitant to do this, so he could end up sitting on a paltry amount of money, with a large task in front of him. I do not see a respected dev agreeing to this upfront, as taking the low-road and refunding based on not meeting a reasonable total would be time wasted and would harm rep. Of course if they were to, I would be in.

Also the mentality of giving $100 (IE), not caring about if it is achieved (to compensate for time), is not something that most people are probably going to share. I of course agree and would do the same, but do not think this is a broad selling point. I am sure there are many people who would either lower their pledge significantly, or would not agree to this mentality at all. $100 donation for work with no end result (potentially) and $500 for confirmed method, are two very different ballgames. Those with the higher amounts are going to be much less likely to contribute (at least what they would otherwise) - which would bring a questionable total to the table. Just remember, we were hearing the "this is not enough to compete with big corp's paying high-dollar amounts for the exploit" before were were hearing the "guarantee" qualm. It could just as easily go back to that first point after all is said and done.

It also should be noted that coordination would be a problem. XDA protects its users by not allowing such a thing to be organized here (paying someone upfront before release). You may be losing potential donations by advertising this option elsewhere.

I present such questions to try and help, not to put a downer on the subject. I would be a participant in any idea that makes reasonable sense for everyone involved.
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] dlscott1111:
It's not a matter of trusting/not trusting devs to me. The bounty thread idea gives incentive to the first to achieve root.

Don't know how an open ended achieve root or not type of thing would work.

Would rather see an enhanced collection/blacklisting non-payers method employed.
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] Franzie3:
Device aging also comes into account. My opinion is within a month or 2 you will have people adopting the device. Most people are used to getting root right away or within a few weeks probably because their old device had it right away or when they got it. I'm not saying this is always true but any device that is maybe 2 years old wasn't nearly as secure as this.

Now even jcase stated the last Bounty paid up only roughly 20% to him. While I wasnt part of that Bounty I did at one point own that device. hell i even had the bootloader unlocked, but thats whatever... My thought is that the while everyone waited for root for months some people may have moved on to another device, or just simply learned to live with it and do not check the forums daily like the used to, hence why they havent paid their pledge. I still applaud and respect jcase for even releasing an exploit. Kudos and brillant work on his part. I feel that unless a bounty is claimed from the initial 1-2 months on creation then it will start to lose its so called 'commitment value'. While i agree some of the Bounty pledges on the S5 seemed outrageous, I dont think someone pledging $1000 would still pony up $1000 6+ months down the road.

Me personally, I would rather donate once the method is posted. Why? Well simply because i change devices so often, 6 months from now I may not have an S5, I may have Moto X+1 or Note 4, or Kyocera (kidding).

I still hope for root and even unlock one day, not simply because of the "its my device and i should be able to do what i want when i want" but because I liked to build, flash roms, test, tinker, fix, etc. If we don't see it with the S5, then i'll just make sure my next device either has it, or I wont care so much and just get the next device that will suit my needs.
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] dlscott1111:
Agree. There's kind of a sweet spot for the value of root. At some point in time (not sure exactly when this is) root starts losing value because people get new phones and such.
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] Martinjv71:
So what's the latest status? I can't find it with people turning this into an off topic bounty thread. No wonder Dev don't wanna look in here..they gotta sift through all the off topic crap. Geez open a personal chat room for heavens sake. Your ruining this for people that actually care and are trying to help.
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] ks3rv3rg:
There haven't been status updates other than to say what doesn't work. (And even these are few and far between) Although I agree with you in principal, if there had been real progress updates I'd imagine people would be talking about that instead of the randomness.
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] PuffJr2:
Considering this forum is open to the public, which means anyone can see it, (Verizon/Samsung) the devs would most likely not post anything they think could work in order to allow them to test it.
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] Demiurge7:
http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=53152703&postcount=743
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] Dennisg34:
If you read through all the pages like you're supposed to, you'd see there isn't one. Just the same 'exploits' people are posting. Why would the Devs need to look in here? Anything a Non dev has posted is something a real dev had already looked into. No one's ruining anything, we're all getting sidetracked with an idea that will help a dev want to be more committed to finding root for this phone via getting paid.

To which everyone mentioning the whole 'what about pledges/donations to people who don't have the device anymore' well either you shouldn't have made one to begin with, or just be a man of your word and pay regardless. Idk how people can keep paying $600 out of pocket every 6 months for a new phone. That's a bigger waste of money than if you just paid your $50-100 pledge.
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] jcase:
Has happened before many many times.
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] Martinjv71:
Ok..keep defending the fact that you don't comprehend what thread to post in..thanks again for your bounty post in the root status thread..just solidified my point. People like you get threads shut down. Keep up the great thread..see your always on topic and never whine about stuff that has nothing to do with the thread your in.
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] Dennisg34:
Even the "responsible" ones? Well that stinks.

....I'm not defending anything, and comments replying to off topic posts talking about off topic posts is in itself, an off topic post. Don't be a hypocrite.
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] yoyochuckd:
Lol. "Read through all the pages like your supposed to"? The pages of nonsense. Don't think those posts are SUPPOSE to be in this thread. ;)~
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] Franzie3:
"Sent from my MotoX+1" lolz...this guy over here
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] kgirlx:
It's about time somebody told the truth about s5.the s4 still has a locked bootloader and you people still buy phones with a locked bootloader. Open your eyes people, NSA doesn't allow hacked phones. Yourself are the ones to blame for buying the next Gen phone when the previous is still locked. Enjoy your locked bootloader lemmings.
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] 32BitWhore:
I came from an MDK (exploited) S4. What the hell does the NSA have to do with anything? Did you take your crazy pills this morning?
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] :
Honestly.... It embarrasses me to be part of this forum. I've sat here waiting patiently for a reply that has something to do with status on root and all I'm getting is notifications from people complaining and trash talking. People are talking about bootloaders when the real goal here is root.

I respect the forum rules, search, advise, correct, stay quite and never post off topic (until now) and I've kept my mouth shut for long enough. If this is the way you guys are going to act then no wonder we don't have root, I wouldn't want to help either!

Consider this my farewell.

**MOD's** feel free to keep my pledge of $100 for root in the Bounty Thread. I will pay when root is achieved.

I will NOT be replying to any questions and I will NOT offer any help. It's amazing this forum is still alive and not shut down.

Unreal.
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] Skeetch79:
While I don't have an S5 (an S4 rather), have you ever stopped to think that maybe root hasn't been achieved because this device is many times more secure than other devices? You think with a device that the government is backing and using that root would come easy? I agree the bickering and off topic stuff derails the point of this thread, people who thought that root would come easy with this device or just handed out to the community were majorly delusioned. The trend moving moving forward is basically going to be those wanting root should buy an unlocked/developer device and the non-modder or tinkerer who does not need or care about root should just buy the retail device. It may be a year until root is found for this device. The time frame will only continue to widen as more and more secure versions of Android are created and holes/exploits are patched.

So fare well. Don't let the door hit you on the way out.

/rant
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] IamPro:
So the VZN S5 doesn't even have root? :eek:
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] dlscott1111:
So the NSA is keeping us from root? Can Somebody please explain/confirm/deny this? It is becoming an urban legend it seems.
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] warriorpluto:
That's what I want to know. If so I'll sell my retail while the getting is good and try to get an developer edition. Might drop Samsung all together.
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] kenkamm:
It's not the NSA stopping us from achieving root.

The fact that the device is extremely difficult to exploit is what is preventing root.

And the fact that the device is that hard to exploit is the reason it can be used by employees of corporate entities that rely on high security, such as the NSA.
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] dlscott1111:
I'm confused. Other carriers have been rooted. Are you saying the NSA can only carry Verizon/att s5 phones? What's the source for this?
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] PuffJr2:
the NSA is not the reason the phones are locked down. Verizon/ATT are to control their customers.

Sent from my SCH-I925
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] ks3rv3rg:
LOL! nope! [emoji23]
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] IamPro:
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[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] thewebsiteisdown:
The N.S.A. came out and said that this phone can be used by their employees that don't have security clearance or high security clearance either way. That's why the N.S.A. keeps getting mentioned...

Here's some more on their code being used on our android phones since 2013 or earlier I'm sure. Despite just seeing the story one or two days ago that I'm referring too, I can no longer find the story.. I looked and looked and I just can not find the story, sorry. I'm willing to bet some one else can turn it up.. I came across it on android reddit and can't find it.

I just looked again, still nothing turning up now... I started getting info about our Android SE phones though that I found very intersting and the stories hit on what you're asking about.

http://www.securitysuite.com/nsa-throws-its-hat-into-android-security/

The funny thing is that when you look at their basically, wikipedia page... It only shows their name " N.S.A. " at the very bottom of the page for if you have questions about their code and it's still all incognito and their website name is something along the lines of, tycho.nsa.gov LMFAO...

http://selinuxproject.org/page/SEAndroid

With all the information presented considered, one's inclined to think that Verizon wants to assert more control over their customers / make more money somehow I'm sure of it. Which is the only reason things are locked down on their side, because with T-Mobile, they're facing reality and basically saying without saying it, the phones are wide open to the man anyway so why lock the boot loader etc. on the customers because no matter what, the N.S.A. has access to what they want access to anyway...
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] Russ77:
the NSA isn't blocking or preventing root. the NSA, and for that matter big business and other government agencies, allow this phone BECAUSE it is secure.

VZW and ATT are targeting corporate responsibility phone plans, meaning the corporation or entity has a managed plan with one account, one bill for all of their mobile employees. my company is one of those customers that requires secure devices due to sensitive data. yeah, we use ATT. guess what devices we can get? Samsung or apple. HTC is just not an option, why? unlockable boot loader.

these customers simply will not allow their data on insecure devices which is why blackberry then iPhone dominated so long.
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] thewebsiteisdown:
I never said any of this PLUS WTH KIND OF ANSWER IS THIS EXACTLY?

That's so contradicting that it doesn't even begin to make sense bro??? , seriously, why did you respond to me? You're not even touching on whaT i TOUCHED ON MAN>>??????

They have " their own code " written in to our phones period.
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] Razzzzer:
you mean control the devices on their networks...
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] thewebsiteisdown:
I figured he was trying to say,

Which's really him hitting at the same thing that I hit at in my conclusion reached in my post above which I highlighted using Bold font in the quote directly below this...

However I still stand by my first response to him which was..

I never said any of this PLUS WTH KIND OF ANSWER IS THIS EXACTLY?

That's so contradicting that it doesn't even begin to make sense bro??? , seriously, why did you respond to me? You're not even touching on whaT i TOUCHED ON MAN>>??????

They have " their own code " written in to our phones period.
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] Russ77:
first, I responded to this thread not quote your post so I'm not sure why your feeling singled out by me.

second, I can all but assure you the reasons these phones are locked down is to make them more marketable to ATT and VZWs largest customers.

third, way to quote me with the same unintelligible b.s. response twice... makes me wonder who has NSA code embedded where.
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] PuffJr2:
It's really the same difference. If they control the device, they control their customers. Think about it.
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] thewebsiteisdown:
I agree completely thank you.

Back on subject a little I read in here somewhere, a post by someone that said that someone who's big in the community for finding another knox exploit I believe " I can't remember who for the life of me. " was supposed to be showing a knox exploit coming up at a conference of some sort where he would unlock the boot loader of a popular well known recent big hitter phone for which the name wasn't revealed... I tried looking for the post in this thread but couldn't find it, has anyone heard anything else about this lately?
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] :
This is the post you are referring to.
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] jcase:
Nothing to do with knox, from the description it would seem to be a qualcomm trustzone vulnerability, and from experience I would guess root was required to do it.

https://www.blackhat.com/us-14/briefings.html#reflections-on-trusting-trustzone

I can be/have anything online ;p