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[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] jamesd1085:
Because you have Verizon phones... I have S4 but regularly check here to see what's going on...but on s4 forums our devs talk mostly in pm because Verizon regularly checks here and if they find anything they don't like they patch it in future updates and it gets harder to gain root/bootloader access with each of these patches...if open posting about progress continues they will have all they need to continue standing in our way...good luck here guys...if you guys get root I think s5 is my next move up
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] Droid_JD:
Anyone try this: http://techbeasts.com/2014/05/10/in...izon-samsung-galaxy-s5-sm-g900v-how-to-guide/

No idea of it's legit. It was posted today.
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] elliwigy:
i came from verizon mdk based s4 and i must say for those that upgraded to latest software update it took more time to b able to install custom roms via safestrap so if and when a software update comes to my new s5 i will not update it until hopefully soon i can root it lol
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] RockyCJC:
OK. So in the prerequisite bullet points he indicates that by default the Verizon S5 is locked and you need to unlock it to install custom recovery. Gee. Thanks genius. He has embedded advertisements on some of the key words that would make you want to click on them. He probably gets paid for every person he draws to one of the ads.

If I am right, he should be drawn and quartered.
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] krazy_smokezalot:
"Verizon’s Galaxy S5 by default is locked. You need to unlock the device first in order to*flash*this custom recovery." That's what the site stated in the steps to flash the recovery. so this is for the developer edition of the Verizon S5

Sent from my SM-N900V
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] RockyCJC:
Model # for the Dev edition is ET-G900VMKAVZW so usama bin dummy should fix his article.
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] Droid_JD:
Blinded by enthusiasm.

Thanks for reading it more carefully than me.
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] kuronosan:
Well don't feel bad, it's legit. He's doing what every idiot blogger does: click baiting.
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] briantacker:
Has anyone confirmed that the security update that keeps coming up won't ruin any chance of root? This thing is getting annoying and if it harmless I'd like to just get rid of it
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] Syn Ack:
Well I guess this thread is back lol
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] ks3rv3rg:
Do not accept.
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] cyberace1985:
we don't have root yet so I would assume no one has confirmed anything
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] RockyCJC:
Under Settings-->Security-->Security Policy Updates deselect that automatic security update check box. After I did that I stopped getting the message.
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] |oLo|:
Mine was already unchecked. Which why it is prompting to update. Are you sure yours hasn't updated since you had to uncheck your's?
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] RockyCJC:
I had double checked with other people about the person I show under About Phone and it matches what others have posted.
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] KaM1KaZ3:
Mine is the same not sure if it really means anything
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] Odin80:
The security update was for SE for Android and was installed on my device around the 25th of April. The build number now ends with 15 and not 11.
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] Syn Ack:
Mine is the same too but I checked the security settings and I had automatic updates enabled and checked for the latest update and it said that I had that installed too.....
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] thewebsiteisdown:
It was pushed out to my phone without my permission the other week. I saw it said installed security update something and I was at a loss for words. Shove it Verizon.
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] ks3rv3rg:
You had to have accidentally allowed automatic updates. This stuff doesn't just get pushed to your phone without your permission. For example, I still get the requests to update the security policy. If it had been forced on you then it would have been forced on everyone else as well.
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] ups2525:
My device started lagging and I couldn't figure out what was causing it so I did a hard reset and it took an update...just a heads up everyone.
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] thewebsiteisdown:
I didn't tell it to allow updates.
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] Martinjv71:
So how's the status on root going?....I mean u already have a thread on this....this is root only related. Come on now..
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] KaM1KaZ3:
Its all underground as of now... Better to wait for it to be final than give updates an some one see it an push a patch ?
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] GrabMyWrist:
My phone also updated without me allowing it. Not sure why. Anyway, it's my understanding that SE for Android only pertains to KNOX. Hopefully it won't interfere with ROOT, once it comes.

https://www.samsungknox.com/en/solutions/knox/how-to/lock-down-android

http://www.techrepublic.com/blog/sm...s-serious-about-data-security-with-knox/6509/
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] ups2525:
IMO an OTA 'does' specifically apply to root because IME most of the time that you accept an OTA right after the release of your new device the OTA further complicates acquiring root. I agree to staying on topic and think I'm doing just that.
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] kuronosan:
I'm thinking now the only hope for root lies in the CVE exploit.
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] eragon5779:
I think so too. I think they hit a bump, but they are working on it. Check the bounty forum if you want to read what they are doing (for those who haven't).

Sent from my white SM G900V on XDA Premium 4
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] thewebsiteisdown:
I just checked my log on it and it was updated while I was working on a monday. It flashed on the screen and I looked at it at that point and sure enough it said it had updated security something blah. This was around 2:30pm so I was plenty awake lol. Now I just checked my settings and automatic is not, ticked...
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] wataytay69:
Does anyone know if the health service update that's being pushed to the phone should be avoided or would be safe to accept? I'm getting annoyed with being asked to take these updates daily but keep doing so in case they are patching security exploits.
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] Syn Ack:
This is interesting. Last night my phone froze and decided to wipe itself (don't ask me how this happened) and rebooted with the OLD security update version back when the phone launched. I don't know if this will affect root in the long run but it seems that if you accidentally updated to the latest version that you can wipe and return to the old version.
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] ravenofdoom:
You know what's bull$*** is that even when you travel with an international SIM card and have a prepaid data package to be able to tether (as I had purchased in Italy), the Verizon tether check is still active and blocks tethering. Not quite sure that is legitimate as per the terms of Sim unlocking with Verizon / US carriers. Nonetheless, a Verizon root for legitimate global tethering would prove a bona fide reason for needing this.
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] kprice8:
In the interim, you can use FoxFi to bypass that.. Nominal $7.95/one time fee, and if this ever happens again, you have a back-up.
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] elliwigy:
lol this is exactly what the bounty thread is not for...its for posting money you are contributing to the cause not discussion on whats being done.. the thread was already closed n reopened due to going off topic
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] cyberace1985:
its been closed a few times actually

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not to mention all the people who are having fun arguing with jcase in the thread
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] Russ77:
bashing, mocking, and pestering devs such as jcase, designgears, djrbliss to name a few, benefits NOBODY. people like to vent their frustrations and such but going after ANY Dev making an earnest effort to benefit all of us is just foolish and inconsiderate.

a bunch of tools over in the at&t s4 forum ran off some well respected people and it just hurts everyone.
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] KaM1KaZ3:
If everyone keeps it on TOPIC were good ?
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] eragon5779:
Yep. Posting about root methods and progress in the bounty is fine. It was the bashing. I think the CVE was a dead end unfortunately.

Sent from my white SM G900V on XDA Premium 4
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] SpiderSpartan:
Forgive my stupidity, but why can't we flash the developer edition ROM using ODIN? Does it have to do with a signature issue?
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] kuronosan:
Bootloader isn't unlocked.
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] eragon5779:
So people have been mentioning this and I just thought of something. Would it be possible to create an "update" for an app, say the play store, from an official update that would inject root? You could turn off verification and uninstall updates, then install the custom update. Unless I am mistaken? Any app that has root would work, I just know that the play store does for sure.

Sent from my white SM G900V on XDA Premium 4
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] wajdikaradsheh:
I tried but it didn't work
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] jake5253:
Just trying to be helpful, but did you recompile it with correct kallsyms?
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] DR4LUC0N:
Please delete. Wrong post.
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] corona63976:
i tried it just fails to root.:(

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are they still currently trying to root the Verizon S5 or have they finally just stopped? i hope that they haven`t but it`s not looking good.
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] razzrmaxx:
I believe this guy is the ONE who can unlock it. https://twitter.com/djrbliss
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] open1your1eyes0:
Has anyone looked into this vulnerability?

http://blog.cassidiancybersecurity.com/post/2014/06/Android-4.4.3,-or-fixing-an-old-local-root

It seems 4.4.2 was vulnerable but no sure if our kernel patched it.
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] Secondlaw:
Root

Is anyone actively working on this or is obtaining root on the Verizon/AT&T S5 just a pipe dream?
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] KaM1KaZ3:
If someone is working on it we won't know until it's released.. Are maybe it's just a dream everyone wants to come true Only time will tell
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] ks3rv3rg:
Wow, well if that's not patched for us then it seems like an excellent find!
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] jakeprogrammer:
I'm trying to find the code in the kernel from Samsung's open source, but I can't find VolumeManager.cpp
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] ks3rv3rg:
Jcase just said it won't work on the s5.
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] Dennisg34:
I wish/hope there are still some respected dedicated devs out there searching and finding a way of root for us that doesn't care about the money (anti team from Samsung/Verizon to find exploits to patch) and just wants to make lots of people extremely happy and also have bragging rights. It's a bummer the higher respected devs have shyed away all together due to numerous reasons. :(:(
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] thewebsiteisdown:
Yeah the community doesn't seem to be the same any more does it? Almost like they have bigger things in mind at this stage rather then the original thought of making people happy. Well, we'll see how it plays out I suppose...
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] dlscott1111:
Agree. There is intense frustration out there on the part of us average users who want root and probably the devs too. Like a black cloud is over this device. So much pessimism out there. I keep hearing "We may get root by the end of the year" and similar comments. I like to try to stay on the bright side but it's hard with so many negative comments out there.

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Agree that the community is changed. I like to believe that we still have great devs working hard behind the scenes.

Rooting itself has radically changed from the droid x days. Back then root was as simple as downloading an apk to the phone and running it. There has been a new phenomena emerge over the past year or so where we all wear out our refresh buttons while we wait with baited breath for root. That used to be reserved for those over at apple (been there done that with the 4s). But now it seems to be the new normal for android devices.

What gives me hope though is that most if not all androids have been rooted within 60 days. Please correct me if I'm wrong.
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] Franzie3:
I think people are just so used to having root or having an unlocked boot loader that they get impatient and once the pot gets stirred everyone gets guilty for being a bully behind a keyboard. Everyone has been guilty. We are coming to a time in android where its more and more difficult to Unlock or root them. Security is a huge thing. We should be greatful we at least have the chance for Dev editions. I'll admit I would love root more then anything but I'm learning to live without it. Xposed is the only reason most people want root to use some customization. Its not like the ROM days of old where you had 10-15 Roms to choose from whether it was aosp or stock. Only nexus devices have really had a big Dev push because they are simply nexus.

Everyone will come around and get used to it and just have to be more picky when choosing a phone that they know will be unlocked or one that will not
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] tech_head:
While I agree with some of what you said, especially the part about choosing wisely.

I don't need to be grateful that they will sell me a phone that I own and not them.

It's my device, I own it. it's a computer with a built in modem and nothing more, nothing less.

I can understand locking the modem for FCC reasons. There is absolutely nothing that makes sense about them telling what I can do with *MY* hardware.

Would you buy a PC with a locked bootloader that would only run Windows? No option to run Linux, if you like?

I should be able to do with my hardware as I please once my device is paid for and not under contract.

ALL full retail devices should be unlocked at purchase time or at least have the option available.
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] thewebsiteisdown:
You nailed it man. Nailed it right on the head, one hit.
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] cyberace1985:
I'm surprised more of hacksung isnt working on the s5
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] Franzie3:
You have your points. Not saying they are right or wrong. Everyone is entitled to their opinion. The problem is that a computer vs mobile phone that runs on a carrier network they can do what they want with. If carriers would offer GPe edition devices on contract we wouldn't have any discussion but unfortunately they aren't. Neither are Dev editions. Now there may be a better argument if you pay full retail for a phone but then again if you wanted to pay full retail for an s5 to save your unlimited data let's say and wanted root. That's why they gave a Dev edition option. My only thing is that it should be available day 1 just like the retail device but that's a separate argument.

It would be nice to see GPe or Dev editions for every major device and also make sure it gets updates. Companies could also make $$$$ with a credit program like moto that gives you say 6 months to pay it off interest free. I'd be game for that.
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] JFam5:
You are right to a point. No respectable SYSADMIN would let your computer latch onto their clean network where you are now the weakest link in the chain to bring down their network and ultimately affect millions of other users. I too want more control of my S5, but I also respect BIG RED for its efforts to ensure that I get the network that I'm paying for without interruptions or bottlenecks caused by uncontrolled devices. It would be best if there was some middle ground.

Also, the deck are working on it when they can. Just like the ipawn phones, they all get jailbreak eventually. Time and patience.
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] dlscott1111:
Buying a phone with a locked bootloader is like buying a car with a trunk you can't get into. I get their are carrier concerns and all but it's a piece of hardware and I own it even if it was subsidized. My 2 cents.
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] elliwigy:
what exactly would rooting a phone negatively impact the xarrier or other users? maybe by bricking phones n getting replacements i can see but if we use the data then we pay for it just the same as anyone else.. i agree with us having a phone n being able to do as we please with it.. if it was deemed to b rooted it would void warranty and everything else such as the edge program etc... i suppose they should give us root or give us a phone without all the vzw bloatand allow us the option to install what we want.. either way nothing is unrootable and i will b patient and when time comes i will root the hell out of this beast of a phone! or move on if a new phones out before that happens that i want...
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] thewebsiteisdown:
We run on windows network though see... We get patches from them or eventually, we can't use basic services we like to use because they need updating. So yes we're technicaly on windows network plus they're all trying to go cloud now, again on their network. Plus I work in a sensitive enviornment and have for years in different sectors, no one cares when the person knows what they're doing.

I could pin point an attack from a cell phone at the drop of a hat and stop it on my network. That's a non issue really. Something out of nothing if you will. Besides you need a token from a key FAB etcetera for the really secure networks, then what will the hackers do? Again non issue really.
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] vermy:
Just curious, why are you comfortable with the Fed locking the modem on your phone?
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] warriorpluto:
Exactly
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] didureboot:
Even on phones that are being paid for on 2 year contracts should have the option to be rooted from the get-go. If you go rent to own a computer from a company like Aaron's rent-to-own, you're not going into it with the expectation of being locked down till it's paid off. You expect to be able to get it home and customize it to your tastes. Same should go for phones. As tech_head stated, it's a computer with a built in modem.
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] designgears:
Haven't really looked into the specifics of this, but maybe it will help someone.

http://doar-e.github.io/blog/2014/04/30/corrupting-arm-evt/

I think is relates back to this CVE, could be wrong tho.

http://www.cvedetails.com/cve/CVE-2014-2523/

It isn't patched yet, but I didn't look into any specific build env required to exploit it, so it may be a dead end.
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] Dennisg34:
If only I knew what to look for/do I would dedicate all my spare time at work looking for the exploits and help root this phone. Sigh for now:(
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] Droid_Evo_8:
I hope people will follow directions and keep it on topic as most of us hate this thread getting locked, or worst, deleted. PLEASE stay on topic. Thanx. :good::good::good:
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] Dennisg34:
...pretty sure this thread has never been locked. You're thinking of the bounty thread.
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] spuniun:
This argument is somewhat flawed. Samsung and Verizon are trying to provide the most secure device possible. Their biggest customers are corporate IT procurement and government agencies who want to know the mobile devices they deploy to end users are free from obvious security holes. An unlocked bootloader or easy root exploit negates any value a secure device might provide. Samsung is working hard to get their equipment into the Pentagon as their choice mobile device and this is how they do it. None of these actions are bad for you, the consumer.

Besides, we have plenty of vendor-locked hardware out there that everyone is comfortable with... PlayStation, Xbox, Wii, SmartTV, in-vehicle communication and entertainment systems, et al.
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] DR4LUC0N:
Sure we have Playstation, XBox and Wii.... But those have all been hacked in the same form we are trying to get rooted, regular Wii can't play emulators and Roms, but once you Soft Mod it, it can do it. That's where I think were trying to go with this though.
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] CyberpodS2:
Right but we don't trash the manufacturer of our game console, we just make the mods we need and accept it as part of the deal when want use roms. The same goes for the phones. Just my opinion...
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] DR4LUC0N:
You sir are correct
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] vermy:
IMHO, I think you're all correct. I don't think either VZW or phone makers are inherently evil, just pursuing economic gain. After all that's their focus, just as the end user is getting the most out of the product they buy. The more we are attached to their world the more likely (they think) we will be to offload our cash to them and their services. It's a matter of supply and demand. Even though I am as frustrated as anyone with their unwillingness to let their phones be rooted easily, I wouldn't have it any other way. If it becomes painfully obvious they are hemorrhaging money due to their devices filesystems being locked they would unlock them. I am far more suspicious of our government that was put in place to be our employees, using our phones to follow our travels via cell phone companies networks, than a market based corporation trying to make a buck. We CAN choose not to give our money to big red, or sammy, but big brother isn't giving us that option. For what it's worth.
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] Dennisg34:
Ignore.
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] Syn Ack:
This thread is free talk about anything and everything regarding root/recoveries/bootloaders. As long as there's no trash talking and mentions of the M8 or G3.
[Verizon Galaxy S 5 General] bryanljames:
This. Agreed.

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I think I should have researched this first and bought the Dev version. Maybe someone will buy my barely used s5 and I will put that towards the purchase :D. Of course my experience with selling things is recieving a bunch of low ball offers :(