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[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro General] Michel92:
Hey guys,

I've got quite a problem: I've got an Magician now, and i'm thinking of buying an Universal. Will I be sorry for it, or be the happiest person on the planet?

The reason I want an Universal, is that the things I use my Magician for, MSN, internet, sending sms and sometimes a short call, is not really what it's meant for. Right now I'm using an SPECTEC SDIO, what means I can hardy download anything. Cause of the Qwerty keyboard, build-in WiFi and larger screen, I think that an Universal is the better choise. Am I thinking right, or are there better options to think of?

Thank you in advance..!
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro General] Kassad:
I went from a magician to the universal. The pros are the screen, combined with opera finally you have real internet and dont get me started on logmein :-). The keyboard is real handy too, this also has a downside, its so handy that all my text messages are two texts long cause the keyboard invites you to type more. A real downside is the size and weight. You cannot put the universal in your pocket (at least I cant). Also the battery life is not that good. I always carry an external accu on penlites for emergencies.

It really depends how you will use it, if you're gonna use it as a phone, stick with the magician, if you're gonna use it as a mini laptop, buy it asap.

And change provider to T-mobile because they offer unlimited data-plan for EUR 9,50 ;-) Because of the unlimited data and UMTS I hardly use WiFi, too much hassle, too much battery drain and too little speed gain compared to UMTS.
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro General] DavidT.:
You might want to hold off just a bit, I believe the HTC TyTN (Or Hermes) is coming your way in just a few weeks. Do a google search on it if you're not familiar with it, on paper it's almost the perfect phone.

If all else fails, or if you really like the Universal's platform (Clamshell, swivel screen tablet) it's one wicked phone My favorite phone so far. :lol:
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro General] Michel92:
That Hermes has the same look as the Wizard, and that's exactly what I'm not looking for. I use my magician to type long pieces of text, and I think the keys are way to small to do that. And ain't it so, that it has an 2.8" screen?

And Kassad, I think T-Mobile Web 'n Walk (Pocket Internet Totaal) is way to slow. With my Magician the internet speed at home stops at 300 kilibyte per second, and I'm still anoyed when I try downloading an MP3file with my phone. (I know, 1meg a second makes people spoiled.. :wink: )

I think when I'm back from vacation I've sold my Magician and the money is there to get my Universal.. (You all don't know one thing about me.. I'm 13.. :P)
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro General] kslakhani:
I think universal has everything on it, the keypd is really makes me more typin, and ofcourse UMTS is more benefitial for downloading data quicker.

Battery drain is not a problem if you use it wisely, well weight is a bit prob but it is alright for me :wink:
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro General] Kassad:
Web'n'Walk works at 320 Kb/s for me, so I'm quite happy with the speed. And when I need it, I can connect to an WiFi accespoint and get a working 1,6 Mb/s :-)
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro General] Michel92:
Sorry guyss.. I was about 10000 kilometers away..;) Had a great holiday..;) Butt.. Haven't got any phone at the moment.. So I used an old Samsung.. But forgot it was not a Tri-band phonee.. :P But.. Now I've got the money for an Universal.. Almost.. Spended wayyyy to much in Sri Lanka.. So I bought an few Nokia Chargers there..*Really cheap..;)..* So I can sell them heree.. So0w I can add that to my Universal savings.. Also have to sell an Spectec wifi-card.. So it ain't going to be a problem.. Now I've got to find one I like..;)
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro General] zanfo:
I have magician too,and I'm going to buy Universal.Can anybody specificates the duration of the battery in the different situation(phone,navigator,pda)?And which is the range of the wi-fi connection?
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro General] zanfo:
nobody can help me? :(
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro General] cmonex:
i think the battery is quite good, disagreeing with the complaints on it. even so, i bought a second battery, very cheap and came with its own external batt charger woo hoo. but i bought it only because i'm a battery maniac :P

you can also get loads of extended batteries for cheap, 3000, 3200, 3800, 4400, 4800 mAh.. the 3000 and 3200 ones are quite cheap and readily available.

if you just use it as a phone, with the 1620 mAh default battery, and have the brightness at 10% (i always have it at 10% because it is bright enough even at that level! seriously 100% brightness burns my eyes :) ok outdoors i sometimes crank it up to 40%), then i *think* you can use it for two or three days or if you make too many calls it will still probably last 1 day easily. i dunno, i never make calls, just write a lot of sms's. :)

if you use it as a pda, at the same brightness, and you read ebooks, at 10% it will last 8 hours easily (with phone turned on most of the time). normal pda usage (with some wifi and umts), 4-5 hours; umts (continuous), 3-4 hours; wifi (continuous) 3. these are estimates from my experience.

oh and dunno about navigation. i don't use it for that.

finally, wifi range is average, it is ok in most situations.

did this help? :)
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro General] vikasmal:
There are a lot of things to like and a lot of things to dislike about the Universal. The ones that I dont like are:

Battery Life... used to be around 7/8 hours when I first bought it 7 months ago, now its down to 3 hours. But I do make a fair number of calls on it. Even then, the battery life is horrible. 3 hours is a joke and the battery now crashes at 60%.

Bulk: Its a bulky phone, not easy to fit in your pocket, not easy to carry around. Remember, size matters ;-)

Slow: Load a few today programmes and its slow. Compared to my earlier XDA II, its about 60% as fast. On the XDA, everthing was instantaneous, here I have to wait for an application to open. Probably due to the miniscule memory in the phone.

Reception: Signal strength is not on par with most phones but that is true of the XDA too so guess its a HTC issue. Nokia with the same sim card will show full signal and with the Universal, its at least one bar less all the time.

Just few pet peeves........

If I were to do it all over again, I have to confess that I wouldn't buy the Universal.

Cheers, Vikas.
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro General] cmonex:
well, buy a new battery, very cheap on ebay & dont use crappy today plugins, i don't and my universal is fast. :) i do have a today plugin but it is simple and doesn't consume any resources.

maybe this could help..

but the universal is primarily for those who appreciate this form factor. IMO :) i love the form factor :)
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro General] Michel92:
I decided: It'll be an Wizard.. Think the Universal maybe really is to big for me, I tried one in a phone shop, but didn't manage to get it into my pocket. Than I would always have to carry a bag with me, which won't be any of a problem going to school.. But that's not the only thing in life.. :roll: A wizard can't be any problem, because it is not that much bigger than the magician I had. Now I'm looking for an wizard.. 150euros.. Offers, someone..:P..? Only in the Netherlands, taxes are way to high from foreign countries.
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro General] kdskamal:
I guess you have not used the battery properly or you have done something that has caused the battery to malfunction

Yes, it is bulky but then, does any other phone offers you VGA display ?? Nope. You want big screen, keyboard too,then, why yammer about the size :evil:

Mine is very fast. It depends how you have set up your pocket pc. If you use awful apps like spb P+ which make you PPC crawl and use their memory hungry plugins then why r u complaining about the speed bro

Are you using the latest radio ROM ?? I too live in new delhi and the signal is great !!
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro General] howe:
hi kdskamal,

i was wondering what you use in the place of today plugins like P+.. i find it quite hard to replace and have been living with the speed of my Universal.. but i'd love to hear alternatives..
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro General] cmonex:
well, depends on what features you use from spb+. i just need a taskmanager which has a better close button than spb (spb is so stupid) and one that doesn't slow the device down so much.. so i found magicbuttons which is free and consumes very little resources. :) and it even puts icons of the running programs on the "taskbar".

i also needed a battery meter: magicbuttons takes care of this with the help of uptime.

if you need a PIE plugin, there are alternatives again, but i don't use PIE so i can only quote their names, multiie, pieplus, ftxpbrowser (latter is free). but opera is much better ;)

that's all i can say for now, but let us know what other features you need.
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro General] zanfo:
finally I buy the universal!I immaginate it less heavy,but it's ok.

Today I use it for 2 hours as navigator,2 short calls,and the battery is at 32%(total time used 3 hours).Is it normal?

Does anybody know which is the latest italian rom?I have 1.13
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro General] cmonex:
try decreasing the brightness! as i said i have mine on 10% of brightness (backlight). this will surely help. and 10% is always enough. 40% is more comfortable outdoors on a sunny day but 10% is still very good even then as this is a transflective screen, not transmissive. 8)

anyway your usage means 4 hours of battery life, it is not bad.

(oh and don't try 0% it means backlight off, unusable)
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro General] zanfo:
I already follow your suggest!

How many free ram have you after hard reset?And which rom do you use?

I thing I have to buy a bigger battery!
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro General] kdskamal:
For today plugins, you can try iLauncher from sbsh.net

http://www.sbsh.net/products/ilauncher/

something extra:I use handy switcher for task switching. I have assigned my video call button to this app. It can also close the apps without touching the stylus. On top of that, it just occupies 60kb.
[LG Optimus 4X HD] Breaker99:
LG italy confirmed that O4X won't receive kitkat :(
[LG Optimus 4X HD] hallodrix:
No news...

Did you really thought we would get an official update ?!

LG can not even support their current flagships , so why update an old device ?

Gesendet von meinem A210
[LG Optimus 4X HD] PenguinStyle:
There was a little chance half a year ago when Hungarian LG support told me they will make KK for our device... And Yes its another thread about android 4.4 :banghead::banghead::banghead:
[LG Optimus 4X HD] Achraf4X:
When you know that the Samsung S3 is getting kitkat and the main features of the current flagships, you just lose faith in LG, I dropped that phone 5 months ago because it was making me sick, and went for the original HTC One, and the support is still going on year after the release, not a very good strategy to keep consummers ...
[LG Optimus 4X HD] PenguinStyle:
Flash a custom rom and BAM you have the latest 4.4 or enox and you have a G2 and G Pro in one phone
[LG Optimus 4X HD] asgz:
Solution is cm 11 flash and relax

LG-P880 cihazımdan gönderildi
[LG Optimus 4X HD] Achraf4X:
I did, I was on CM, on Vanir, and back to 4.1.2 on Enox and then on Zaiben, using iodak kernel... but I had some bootloops, and since I was too excited whenever I tried a new ROM, I didn't backup, I lost everything and it did kinda piss me off, what I mean is that the average consummer doesn't have to go through all this, we were proud when we bought the phone to say it's a Samsung S3-killer, but how about now?
[LG Optimus 4X HD] gengi:
This is why my next phone will be a nexus. No problems with updates. I should had bought the nexus 4...
[LG Optimus 4X HD] JoinTheRealms:
I just want to make it clear, that flashing the latest 4.4 custom rom is not equivalent to an update from LG. Even if LG gave us 4.2, we would get new blobs (these contain proprietary drivers, this costs LG to distribute) The blobs LG have left us with are a mess, Lots of incompatibilities with Android 4.4, this will only increase with each android update.

This would normally spell the end of third party support (custom roms etc), but the awesome work of the p880-dev team, allowed us to use Nexus7 blobs which are compatible with Android 4.4 and beyond, the issue here is, while the nexus7 has similar hardware, its not identical and those blobs are 100% compatible with our device.

We have been let down by LG quite badly, hopefully the next device you buy (be it a smartphone or tablet) is influenced by its manufacturers history if releasing appropriate updates to it devices, low to high end.
[LG Optimus 4X HD] peppethustra:
Question: considering the point you have superbly explained; considering that we need updated drivers and updated blobs, to make everything working with Android 4.4.x and superiors; has Nvidia released some new code (or may release it, if someone pay for it), fully compatible with our device, which is possible to work on, or is our chipset and other hardware stuff limited by outdated code, to be compatible with newer Android versions, and the only way to achieve a full compatibility would be receiving LG (impossible) updates?
[LG Optimus 4X HD] JoinTheRealms:
I dont want to go to deep, as im no expert. my assumption is (and if im wrong, i hope to be corrected) Nvidia modify their reference drivers to LGs specifications, this presumably costs LG a lot of money to have done. From any means though, we are not gonna receive specific blob updates, The problem for us is LG only have a single tegra 3 device, it doesn't make a great business case to pay for an update that only one phone or device can benefit from, comparatively Asus could essentially update 5 devices for the same price.

Grouper blobs should ensure us the Android updates the nexus 7 receives, but its likely gonna be a rocky road with future updates, like 4.3 to 4.4. No one really know for sure though:p
[LG Optimus 4X HD] peppethustra:
Yep, I only hope we'll not see our device losing some functions, everytime a new android release will come (like viderecording on kitkat)..I know, a phone is not eternal, but I'd like to see it supported until it has the necessary specs to be supported, at least by a great dev community as our is..and our devs are really working hard! But it would be great, having something to do with Nvidia to release new code :)
[LG Optimus 4X HD] sPEADy:
Can some MOD close this thread please its USELESS.
[LG Optimus 4X HD] Captain Sisko:
I take it there isn't official word or press release yet then?
[LG Optimus 4X HD] MidnightDevil:
The problem isn't the phone(s), its the carriers and manufacturers, they kill it. With exception of a few, Samsung, HTC, LG surely sucks more, but I've seen complains from every manufacturer.
[LG Optimus 4X HD] UsernameWasTaken:
It's been discarded and forgotten by LG and nVidia so fast, I'm still amazed we even got a 4.1 update. A former top-of-the-line device that's not even 2 full years old! Imagine you got it on 24-month contract last year, as some did.
[LG Optimus 4X HD] MidnightDevil:
We should flood their twitter and facebook and whatnot.
[LG Optimus 4X HD] Captain Sisko:
I wouldn't flood social media but I am going to write to LG and ask what is going on as the Apple buisiness model doesn't work with Android.

If KitKat goes to the HTC One X and not the Optimus 4x then LG have screwed up yet again.

The Galaxy S2 Went from Android 2.2, to 2.3 Gingerbread, 4 ICS and then 4.2 Jelly Bean which I assume it will not be upgraded to Kitkat unless you want a Custom ROM

In comparison - The Optimus 2x - Android 2.2, 2.3 then stopped at ICS

Was it because the 2x wasn't seen as successful or as best selling as Samsung is that why they stopped support as it wasn't commercially viable to support a rare device?

Or because they are trying to keep each individual device unique in some way? QSlide went to the Optimus G but not the 4x
[LG Optimus 4X HD] MidnightDevil:
Apple support model is very different from Android.

First, because Apple has a very specific range of hardware to support. One update works for every version of their phones (3G, 4S, 5, etc..). Since the hardware between versions is the same or with very little differences.

In this scenario, I'm led to believe our 4X was surpassed quickly since LG release the 4X, and soon after G and G2, so 4X was "forgotten" in the middle. Too bad, since was a flagship phone, didn't got the attention it should.

If the sales weren't what they were expecting, (but they were still sales nonetheless), I guess investing in time and money for a software update which very few people use, isn't exactly a good step, however, there's a good ton of people which use the 4X. It has a good hardware, would support KitKat easily, but I guess it's easier and more profitable to release another high end device and support that one instead, even if equally for a short time.

When I bought my 4X, around 6 months ago, there were posts already mentioning no update for 4.3, i doubt LG would be kindhearted enough to release a KitKat update. But they could at least release the binaries for devs to develop custom roms easier. Oh, but they don't want that either.

Last phone from LG, for sure.
[LG Optimus 4X HD] Captain Sisko:
You raise some good points Midnight I emailed LG and this was their reply.......

I have had a look into this for you and due to the age of the handset and reaching the end of it's update cycle, KitKat will not unfortunately be coming to the P880. I do apologise I couldn't be of anymore help but if you have anymore questions please don't hesitate to email back in. Have a great evening!

Kind regards

Rob

LG Electronics UK Help desk

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LG Customer Services

UK: 0844 847 5454 Ireland: 0818 27 6954

Mon-Fri 9am to 7:30pm Sat 9am to 6pm Sunday 10am to 4pm

Closed bank holidays

www.lg.com/uk <http://www.lg.com/uk>

You can even reach us via our Web Chat facility through the LG UK website

<http://www.lg.com/uk/support/contact-customer-support>

They can't be serious!
[Galaxy S 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Beefheart:
I currently have the S4 on a 2 year contract taken out last May. O2 called me this morning offering me the S5 for £50 if I return my S4, they will cancel the rest of my contract and I will sign up on a new 24 month deal. The tariff remains the same except a doubling of data to 2gb.

Could people who moved from the S4 to the S5 let me know if this is worth it in their view? Cheers.
[Galaxy S 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] degast:
"being able to buy the GS5 for £50."

"still doubting"

oh my god.
[Galaxy S 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Beefheart:
Strange, I can't find any semblance of a response in that post. Thanks for the reply however.
[Galaxy S 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] degast:
Think it through a bit and then come to the realisation that's not a bad deal.
[Galaxy S 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Beefheart:
I have done it.

I'm just a little uninspired by the S5 and how little it differs from the S4. Almost identical in size, screen the same resolution and technology. Fingerprint reader I won't use, nor the heart rate monitor. It will be a better phone of course, and the CPU and GPU is next gen in comparison. Still, for the price I can't complain.
[Galaxy S 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] KarimSalloum:
It's a great deal, good that you went for it. Differences aren't big enough to upgrade from S4 to S5 (in my opinion of course) but for 50 quid you can't go wrong here!
[Galaxy S 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] sohebq:
Better camera+better battery+better display. These 3 alone should be worth to upgrade. If I was on s3 or s5 I would have gone for it despite having ugly back.

Sent from Note 3 (The beauty & beast)
[Galaxy S 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Beefheart:
If anyone has an S5 already, how does it compare in terms of overheating? One of the major drawbacks of the S4 is the overheating doing pretty much anything. For example playing Minecraft results in it being uncomfortable to hold after about 3 minutes.
[Galaxy S 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] neugenusis:
So you are paying £50 AND giving them your S4 while signing a new contract? How much would it cost if you didn't give them your S4 and just pay the full subsidized price? In cases like these, i'd think I'd be better off selling the S4 myself rather than it being undervalued by the carrier.
[Galaxy S 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Beefheart:
They are waiving the remainder of the contract as part of the deal, which stands at around £450. Taking the £50 one off fee into account, this means I would need to sell my S4 for £400 to be in the same position. I wouldn't have a hope in hell of selling a 12 month old phone for £50 more than you can now buy one brand new. I'm basically getting out my contract for the cost of my S4 and £50, then signing up for a better tariff on the same cost as I'm paying now.

The more I think about it, the better the deal becomes. Glad I went with it, even though the S5 doesn't fill me with excitement like the S4 did in comparison to my old S2. I never bothered with the S3.
[Galaxy S 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] hemander:
If you did love your S4, definitely, this is what you'll look forward.
[Galaxy S 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Beefheart:
Currently in a bit of a predicament. I must admit I'm not as impressed with the S5 as I thought I would be. Or, to be more precise, I don't believe the differences between it and the S4 justify the upgrade I have taken and the additional 12 months it's going to mean before I can choose a new phone. Do I return it and go back to my S4 and original contract or do I keep it....decisions decisions.
[Galaxy S 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] simacca:
It can get quite warm, but nothing too serious imo. Give me something to try and I will tell you the results if you like.
[Galaxy S 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Beefheart:
Decided to return the S5. Lovely phone and some great improvements on the S4 (in particular the screen and camera) although nothing to the point where I believed it was worth entering into a new 24 month contract when I have a mint condition Galaxy S4 on my hands.

A bit of an issue returning it though, as the previous 24 month contract I was 12 months into has already been cancelled and O2 no longer do combined phone/call plan contracts. So the best they could do is put me on their maximum call plan only contract for the remainder of my previous 12 months. This is unlimited calls, unlimited texts and 8gb of data for £28 a month (old plan was 1gb of data). So a much better tariff for £10 a month less than I was paying.

I will look at the new Snapdragon 805/810 devices next May when my contract ends.
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] htcman724:
Preordered the gs5 and was just wondering how many other will be leaving the active for the s5?
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] ewa12321:
I stay with active till something's betters with removable battery sd card and lcd screen comes out. I don't have money to switch phones every year, switching them 2 years if lucky.

But if I would win in lottery than I would wait for s4 active 2 or 3 version. Regular s4 has much better software support but I can't stand AMOLED screens and fast permanent screen pixel burn in. That's why I didn't bought s4.

New touchwiz is looking nice and I love to have live hdr in photos and videos

Ah I forget Im still Knox-free so I can root without losing permanent warranty but still on 4.2.2 :( I need 4.4.2 for Talk back but without Knox and with touchwiz stuff. At best with new touchwiz but this won't happen

typed from dark room
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] Miami_Son:
Considering most of us have had our S4As less than a year and are on contract, I'd say it will be awhile before we can even think about switching.
[Galaxy S 4 Active General] htcman724:
I got mine on contract also but with the wifi issues plus a few other ones its worth the extra $25 to upgrade to me