yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[Verizon HTC One (M8)] nicholi2789:
The only way it would be advantageous to buy the phone outright off contract is if you had unlimited data and didn't want to lose it. Or if you did have an upgrade and we're unwilling to do edge.
[Verizon HTC One (M8)] pettigrew95:
Can someone please explain the subsidies and how you pay for that along with the phone cost? Would be much appreciated as I am very confused...
[Verizon HTC One (M8)] Karl:
true but most of us phone junkies did just that before edge came along even with out unlimited
[Verizon HTC One (M8)] nicholi2789:
Basically when you sign a two year contract, they give you a subsidized price on a device, a discount if you will for signing a two year contract. With Verizon you can only get a subsidized price on a device every two years. Every two years they offer you an "upgrade" to renew your contract and you get a device again at the subsidized price.

Now the reason people pay full retail for a device is because they aren't eligible for an upgrade/contract renewal and have no other way to get it aside from just paying the full retail price of the device and not the subsidized price.

Then there's the people who still have unlimited data. Verizon quit doing unlimited data over a year ago. They offered tons of people "early upgrades" in exchange for dropping their unlimited data plan. So alot of the people who still have unlimited data are eligible for upgrading their two year contract and getting a new device, but don't do it as it would mean losing the unlimited data plan that they will never get again. So instead of renewing their contract, they just pay full retail for the device and don't have to.

Then there is Verizon Edge. Which really when it comes down to it is a total rip-off. But it does allow for people to upgrade their devices sooner.

Basically the way it works is almost like a car lease. The price of the device (full retail) is broken down into 24 payments. So for example the HTC One M8 is 599$ You could go in to a Verizon store pay 25$ down, with 25$ extra a month on your plan, trade in your old device, and take home a new device. Then after thirty days if you pay at least half the total cost of the device you can edge up again. It's kinda cool, but its total rape, because they are getting your two years of patronage at the normal plan rates AND your paying for retail for the device AND you are trading in your old device which they are just gonna sell as a CLNR device. The one saving grace is that you can get a new device as often as you like pretty much.

Hope that answers your questions.
[Verizon HTC One (M8)] Karl:
anyone test to see if they try to force you out of unlimited if you try to go to edge?
[Verizon HTC One (M8)] pettigrew95:
Thank you, that definitely answers most of them. In my scenario, I signed up for Verizon in Sept. of 2012. Last week I went into Verizon and got the M8 through the Edge program. Once I received the phone and I signed the Edge agreements etc. my data plan was bumped from 8 GB a month to 10 GB a month and I'm paying less monthly on my bill. Now logging onto the Verizon wireless website I see my contract end date is still Sept. 2014 so that didn't change, however, my device upgrade date is now 2016 so that changed. So once Sept. 2014 hits I will be off-contract and paying for my service month-to-month and also paying for the M8 if I don't pay it off sooner obviously. So do you think I am getting ripped off using Edge now? P.S. I have a GS3 and about an hour before I went into Verizon I changed devices to my girlfriends old HTC Rhyme and traded that in through Edge for the M8 lol so I still have my GS3.
[Verizon HTC One (M8)] nicholi2789:
They do. I had a couple friends who both wanted to Edge up and both didn't do it because they would lose unlimited.
[Verizon HTC One (M8)] Karl:
gotta love Verizon :good: :eek:
[Verizon HTC One (M8)] bigblunts:
nope

Mods, please delete.
[Verizon HTC One (M8)] Gamerbuilt1:
Htc one (M8) Edge program

I purchased the M8 using Verizons edge program which gave me $20 back per month with +10gb shared data plan. Note that as of April 2nd Verizon has modified this plan to give you $25 back per month making the M8 practically free on the edge program as noted on Phonedog.com. This matches AT&T's 10GB Shared data plan.
[Verizon HTC One (M8)] huichan:
Buyer's remorse

I also used Edge to get HTC One M8. :highfive:

Fantastic phone but getting on Edge bumped up my bill a little.

Coming from Note 3.
[Verizon HTC One (M8)] l7777:
Yes, you're still getting ripped off because you're focused only on the montly payment and the out of pocket cost at the time you get the device.

Monthly payments are the biggest snow job of the american consumer because they never do the math and see how much it will really cost them.

To illustrate the flaw with Edge:

You get a new device on the Edge program. The full retail price of that device is divided by 24 and added to your monthly bill. You might get a discount or some other fluff to make it sound even better but ultimately you're still paying full retail for the device. Now you say but wait, I can get a new device in 30 days. Yes you can get a new device in 30 days, but not until you pay off 1/2 of the device you just got and turn it in. For the M8, that's $300. Now you've effectively paid $300 for the device and are on the hook for half the cost of another device while turning in the first device. Had you paid full retail for the M8 and decided you wanted to change devices you likely could have sold the M8 on Swappa or e-bay and been ahead.

You may technically be "Off contract" with Edge but if you try to leave before half the device is paid off you'll be paying a penalty that might as well be called an ETF. The only reason you're "On Contract" in older plans is because you're paying for the device you just got for a discount. They simply figured it in with your monthly plan and didn't tell you it was in there. Make no mistake, the early upgrade programs are only slightly different than the contract plans, they've just pulled a matrix on you and made you think you had a choice.

In the simplest terms, you'll be paying between half and full retail for all devices purchased on Edge. The only difference is that you won't be paying a large sum up front. For a lot of people this is easier than simply budgeting for a new device. I for one think that all devices should be purchased at retail pricing and the only thing you should get from the carriers is service.
[Verizon HTC One (M8)] pjim:
I am expecting my new M8 today. Using edge on a 30gb plan with 2 voice lines and a hotspot, I pay $24.99 a month for each phone, M8 and iphone 5s. But they give me a credit for $25.00 on each line for the data. Seems fair to me.
[Verizon HTC One (M8)] wormyMNT:
They bumped you up cause with 10gb of data you get $25 off your bill each month on the smartphone on the edge program and $10 off from 4-8gb of data. And personally I wouldn't say the edge program is a rip off. If you're like me and want the newest phone out to date then it's worth it, but if you are a person that doesn't care and can stay with an outdated phone for 2+ yrs then yes it would be a rip off. Like the guy above said, it's like leasing a car. You never really own it (unless you stay with it and pay it off) but in retrospect you always have the newest device
[Verizon HTC One (M8)] xs11e:
It's a DEAL!

I saw Verizon is offering new single line plan for $60 that offers unlimited talk and text and 1GB of data, it drops to $50 if you purchase a phone on the Edge plan.

So.... I ordered an HTC One M8 for 24.99/month* and got the plan for $50/month for a total of $75/month.

I currently have the "Old Fart's" plan for $30/mo. plus $30/mo for 2GB of data for a total of $60/month.

So..... I'm increasing my minutes from 200 to unlimited, my text from none to unlimited, my data from more than I can ever use** to more than I can ever use and getting a $600 phone for $15/month increase ($360 total for a phone that's $530 or more for used ones on Swappa!) Seems like a GREAT deal to me...

NOTE: This plan is KILLER, if I didn't get a new phone on the EDGE plan I'd pay $60/month and that's what I'm paying now for only 200 minutes, no text and more data than I can ever use!

Is there a downside? Yes, I'll be leaving the Samsung side of XDA and I'll miss the helpful folks and the amazing developers there (but my XDA experiences with my HTC Thunderbolt were just as great!)

I'm required to turn in my Galaxy S3 as part of the deal.

*First payment is $25.22 to make it come out to $599.99 for the phone.

**The MOST data I've ever used is less than 500MB since I'm almost always on WiFi, yesterday I was off WiFi for probably 40 minutes while driving (no data needed there!) Today I'll be on WiFi 24 hours. 1GB is more than double what I need but it should avoid any overages....
[Verizon HTC One (M8)] pettigrew95:
If you have a really crappy old phone activate that on your number and trade that in for the M8. I had a GS3 as well and the same day I went into Verizon for the M8 through Edge I activated my # on my girlfriends old HTC Rhyme (which was rooted and I handed to Verizon rooted). So they got an old crappy HTC Rhyme and I still have my S3 and my M8 :laugh: ...I still have from today until this Tuesday to return the M8 and get off the Edge program and re-activate my S3 if I don't like the M8.
[Verizon HTC One (M8)] tech_head:
Edge -> MEH...

It's a lease program, plain and simple.

Leases work for some and not for others.

I use between 5-8GB of data per month. I'm staying unlimited until they kick me off.

I'll pay retail and sell later.
[Verizon HTC One (M8)] superjshorty:
I work for VZW and can testify that EDGE really is a sweet deal. I got mine on Edge and since I'm on Share Everything I still received a $10 bill credit for 2 years which means it only effected my bill by about $15. Which is a pretty awesome deal since you can do it all over again at 12 months...which means I'll only have paid roughly $200 for this phone instead of $600. Money!

Sent from my HTC One M8
[Verizon HTC One (M8)] LPChris:
So you'll have paid the same amount as if you bought it up front and yet not get to keep it when it's time to upgrade? Doesn't sound like a sweet deal to me.
[Verizon HTC One (M8)] superjshorty:
What? No, lol. You will only have paid like half the price. Or less depending on if you go back and upgrade after a year or wait a little longer. If you buy up front its $605.99 or something...if you EDGE and keep it for a year you definitely haven't paid that much. And let's face it...phones start to lose their value after a full two years so you never really get that much out of them anyway.
[Verizon HTC One (M8)] wormyMNT:
No, you only have to pay 1/2 of full price then you edge up to a new device. So, if a phone cost $600 retail. You pay $300 then edge up to a new device. And so what if you don't get to keep the old one. Image it like buying a car, you take a loan/lean out for a car. You pay monthly payments on the car but a yr later you want to trade it in and get a new car. The dealership agrees to pay your loan off you don't keep your old car but you get a brand new one... The edge program is the same way
[Verizon HTC One (M8)] deeznuts:
Exactly! Not rocket science, who keeps 2-3yr old phones? Then thinks 3yrs later it's worth something in cash value or trade in? More like a paper weight but to each their own. I see edge program as my monthly bill is cheap with it, I got hooked up. Basically have same monthly bill as I did without edge so really not paying anything more in my mind. But get to trade up every year or sooner if I wanted to with zero out of pocket. Win win for me.
[Verizon HTC One (M8)] wormyMNT:
Indeed!!! Win win for me too. That's why I went on it
[Verizon HTC One (M8)] pjim:
I don't want to jinx myself, but I got the phones yesterday. I didn't see any return packaging for my old phones. So I call 'em up and ask about it.

The phones I started my original contract with were damaged in an accident, no insurance, so I bought 2 from Craigslist. Since i didn't buy the phones from Verizon.........THEY DON'T WANT THEM BACK! So I keep my old Note 2 and the wife's iphone 4s. So i traded in my car (from the above scenario), they don't want it because I didn't buy it from them, and I still get new cars without any increase in my monthly payment.

Boy...... I don't think I can take too much more of those abusive sales tactics!
[Verizon HTC One (M8)] elir41:
When the two years are up of the $25 off the access line (10gb or more gets $25off; 8gb and under gets $10 off) does your plan jump up back to the normal pricing?

Also, they mention a phone in working order has to be turned in. Can it be any phone? I have some old basic phones that have been collecting dust in my desk drawer.
[Verizon HTC One (M8)] pjim:
I'm not sure about the discount, stands to reason it would cease with the completion of your Edge agreement.

I was made to understand that the phone you started with is the phone they take back, since I didn't have mine, they didn't ask me for anything back.

Your results may vary. I think I just got really lucky.:cool:
[Verizon HTC One (M8)] elir41:
Started with as in your first Verizon phone?
[Verizon HTC One (M8)] young0ne:
something like edge but not

I went to my store yesterday and they have a plan like EDGE but its not. pay for the phone over a 12 months of what ever the phone cost no change in plan whats so ever so I pay monthly and still get to keep my unlimited data .:laugh:
[Verizon HTC One (M8)] pjim:
As in the phone that you started your calling plan contract with. I was still on a 2 yr. Like if you went in a year ago and signed up, That phone.
[Verizon HTC One (M8)] InfiniteXavier:
I like verizon edge a lot. I am not sure why it would raise anyone's bill since they are now giving you a $20.00 credit for moving to edge to compete with ATT. I was told by the verizon rep when i got my M8 that it was going from 20.00 to 25.00 actually but haven't seen it on my bill yet so i can't confirm but all 4 of my lines received a $20.00 credit on our bill when we all upgraded to edge at the end of our contract period.
[Verizon HTC One (M8)] coldconfession13:
I got mine on device payment program . kept my unlimited data
[Verizon HTC One (M8)] Karl:
its no different then leasing a car
[Verizon HTC One (M8)] devilman30:
How did you swing that? Is this a service Verizon is now offering? Are you paying full price 595.00 ?
[Verizon HTC One (M8)] mchief298:
You don't get a set amount of miles per year and as long as your screen isn't damaged you can trade it up... It's very different from leasing a car.

M8, nuff said.
[Verizon HTC One (M8)] Karl:
of course its not going to be 100% alike
[Verizon HTC One (M8)] coldconfession13:
Its something they don't advertise it. They push edge but it's on the site. Full price in payments
[Verizon HTC One (M8)] holla420:
I got my M8 with edge plan.it lowered my bill for me. Of course I had to change things around on my account but ending up being like $17 cheaper. I can go in and pay on it if I like. It's like renting a phone lol
[Verizon HTC One (M8)] keith843:
I didn't do the edge program, I have monthly installments of $50 for 10 months. $100 down payment
[Verizon HTC One (M8)] Zarboz:
They wouldn't let me edge up due to my account spending limit even tho I paid off half my m7 verizon is screwing me constantly lately
[Verizon HTC One (M8)] jlczl:
I had two lines of service with them that totaled $105 per month. One of them had an ETF of $270 and the other an ETF of $310 for a total of $580. I added two lines to take advantage of the BOGO. My total cost for 2 new HTC Ones was $216 including tax plus I got an LG Gpad 8.3 LTE for $54 including tax for a total of $270. My monthly service charges are $105 (same as my first 2 lines). I sold one of my new HTC Ones for $590 on swappa and cancelled the first 2 lines and paying the ETFs with the money I got from that sale. In my next billing cycle I'll be getting a $200 bill credit for having opened up 2 new lines so that credit offsets my initial cost of the 2 new Ones. Additionally when I installed the Isis app I got $40 deposited into that account by Verizon which practically covers the cost of my new tablet.

In short I got a new HTC One and a new LG Gpad 8.3 LTE for a total of $25. Only difference is I have new phone numbers but I don't really care because I use Google Voice anyway.

---------- Post added at 03:21 PM ---------- Previous post was at 03:18 PM ----------

Moral of the story is that Edge was not a good option for me but there is so many variables it may be for some.
[Verizon HTC One (M8)] stu5797:
What is the early termination fee if I do edge?
[Verizon HTC One (M8)] master_o_trunks:
Anyone on the edge program, do you have an employer discount parallel to the credit? I'm wondering if this will be possible.

I'm currently getting 22% employee discount on the data plan only. So for the 6gb share ($80) I get about $19 off. I'm just wondering if they will do the $25 credit with the discount...
[Verizon HTC One (M8)] Zarboz:
350$ per line so I'm told
[Verizon HTC One (M8)] mattlgroff:
There is no more Early Termination Fee if you use Edge. It's the balance on the Edge Installment Agreements that is left at the time of cancelling the line, or removing the device from the account.
[Verizon HTC One (M8)] myn:
I just migrated to Edge to on the m8 too. Like the others have stated with the 10GB shared data plan it actually is $0.01 cheaper a month for my line.

I wonder if we are allowed to unlock our bootloaders (S-OFF) under edge?
[Verizon HTC One (M8)] jrcbandit:
Why wouldn't employee discount apply with the Edge program? It is completely separate. On my account, I have a family share plan with 25% off on 10 GB of data so that goes down from $100 to $75. One of the 3 phones is on the Edge plan and will get the $25 off for that phone ($40-25 + $24.99 for the cost of phone monthly).

Of course you aren't officially allowed, but there is no reason not to. With S-Off you can easily remove any tampering notifications and put it back to S-On before turning it in.
[One (M8) Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Techzealer:
Hey folks!

Does the US unlocked version HTC one M8 support Chinese Language?

If it does, I'll buy one right away.
[Sprint Samsung Galaxy Note 3] BumpinPanda:
I can send messages and calls but I can't receive. I'm running cyanogen mod 11. This happened once before and I had to flash back to tw and then reflash cyanogen. It seems like I can't update my scms number (not sure if that's the exact acronym.) any way to fix without wiping and reflashing?
[Sprint Samsung Galaxy Note 3] BumpinPanda:
bump- Please help me guys.
[Sprint Samsung Galaxy Note 3] micmars:
I think your answer resides in the OP, though I'm not too familiar with AOSP roms, I do know that a lot of updates have hit, and the firmware registers with the towers.

Likely have to update on TouchWiz to the latest.

Perhaps someone else that uses those roms can chime in.

Sent from my SM-N900P using Xparent BlueTapatalk 2
[Sprint Samsung Galaxy Note 3] BumpinPanda:
Thats what ive tried to do. I flashed stock unrooted and it did nothing. I dont know what else to do. Theres barely any documentation on this issue and barely anyone trys to help... Ive searched these forums and others for weeks.
[Sprint Samsung Galaxy Note 3] micmars:
Try This Thread...

This thread should give you a starting-point. You may also try the AOSP threads. Remember, this is a starting point; I have no idea what base you were on prior to flashing your AOSP rom (MJ4, NAB, NC5), but this was someone using AOSP CM11 and started with MJ4. Please tread with caution.

Good luck!
[Sprint Samsung Galaxy Note 3] BumpinPanda:
Is there any way I can figure out if it is MJ4 etc now? I can boot into touchwiz after installing from Samsung forum download.
[Sprint Samsung Galaxy Note 3] Epix4G:
Look at your about device in settings

Sent from my SM-N900P using Xparent BlueTapatalk 2
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] woowhee:
I flashed a new ROM (after backing up, wiping, etc.) and finished restoring via Titanium. Then I rebooted my phone, but once I got out of the boot animation, I was greeted with "Unfortunately, the process com.android.phone has stopped." Then I was thrown back into the boot animation, then back to the message, then back into boot animation, etc., etc.

Anyone know how I can fix this? Do I have to go back to a full factory reset and start all over again?
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] beefynick:
It sounds like a bad flash. I would wipe and reflash the rom.
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] GUGUITOMTG4:
I bet my toothbrush that the cause was titanium backup and or the data that you restored.

Never restore system data, only user apps / data.
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Ben36:
Or you never wiped data flashing the new rom
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] kitoos:
Sometimes, when I restore my data o get same error. I always do wipe cache and problem solved.

Enviado desde mi Nexus 5 mediante Tapatalk
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] WoodburyMan:
Are you installing the Google Dialer addon when you install the new rom? if so you have to first flash your regular rom and gapps, boot, configure things, go back to recovery then flash Google Dialer.

Also this would happen if you were to flash a new build of CM that has the Open Source Reverse Lookup (Open source Google Dialer like feature), then flash another ROM that doesnt have it without clearing data.
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] woowhee:
Your toothbrush is safe.

You were right -- I had to start over and delicately restore only user apps/data. Thanks!
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Ben36:
You just reminded me that I bought a new toothbrush at work today and I've left it in my van. Thanks. Lol
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] pikachukaki:
Only solution for this is clean flash...and i hate it when it happens!!!
[Galaxy S 4 Mini Themes and Apps] Pawel04:
Hey Guys/Girls,

There's a topic on what im about to ask here: http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=2480256 however no-one has replied, hoping s4 mini users may be a bit more helpful ;).

Basically, I'm using Nova launcher and for the life of me can't get my widgets to look like they do in Touchwiz, is there any way to reduce the padding on the widgets?

I've seen someone saying that this is the reason they don't use Nova but Apex instead, can anyone confirm this?

With the screenshots, the one on the left is using Nova launcher and the one on the right stock Touchwiz.

Any help would be grweatly appreciated :).

Cheers.
[Galaxy S 4 Mini Themes and Apps] arsradu:
The Yahoo Weather widget is a 2x2, not 4x2.
[Galaxy S 4 Mini Themes and Apps] Pawel04:
Do you mean in my screenshot? I know as this is a size option with the Yahoo weather widget and i don't want the 4x2 widget. As you could see though, it looks much nicer in the Samsung Touchwiz than in Nova launcher (looks much more elongated).

I've set the number of rows and columns the same as Touchwiz as well as seting the height margin to non and width margin to small but that hasnt helped.

Cheers.
[Galaxy S 4 Mini Themes and Apps] arsradu:
Looks the same on my s4 mini... It's not elongated unless you manually resize it. Have a look at the attached screenshot, please. Tell me if that's what you mean.
[Galaxy S 4 Mini Themes and Apps] Pawel04:
Hmm that looks much better than mine! How many rows/columns are you using? Also are you using Nova launcher? If so which version?

Cheers,
[Galaxy S 4 Mini Themes and Apps] arsradu:
LOL. Yeah, I'm using the default everything in Nova Launcher. Nova Launcher is version 2.3.

BUT

The Yahoo Weather widget is a 2x2, default size. The BBC News widget is a 3x3 RESIZED into a 2x2 to fit into the top right corner. Like in the attachment.
[Galaxy S 4 Mini Themes and Apps] Pawel04:
Wow, complete amateur hour moment for me haha, realized that stock Touchwiz grid is 4x4. Changed this in Nova and now lines up better however there still seems to be quite a bit alot of padding above and below the alarm widget (small i know but annoys me :p). Going to swith to Apex launcher and see what that looks like.

Anyway, thanks for replying arsradu :good:

Cheers.