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[Xperia Z2 Original Android Development] hillbicks:
So let me get this straight:

If I use this custom recovery I obviously loose my DRM keys, but they're only used for three things:

- "voiding of warranty" (which I don't care about since I'm in the EU for one thing and secondly because my carrier provides me with an insurance for a broken device

- I'm no longer able to play DRM content from Sony, which I wouldn't do anyway.

- I'm no longer able to output HD content over MHL, which, again, I wouldn't do anyway.

Everything else, meaning video recording and playback, colour quality will be the same as before?
[Xperia Z2 Original Android Development] hasenbein1966:
Yeeson says that with Android 4.4 no functionality is lost, only warranty...

But I find that very dubious. On my Tablet Z2 (unlocked and rooted) I can tick / untick "X-Reality" in the settings, but when I play a Youtube Video there is absolutely no difference, so obviously X-Reality functionality is lost.
[Xperia Z2 Original Android Development] jiggyb21:
On my z2 I, nor anyone I show it to, can differentiate between x reality on and off. I've looked at pictures and videos.
[Xperia Z2 Original Android Development] DooMLoRD:
That functionality is only for Album & Movie app... I don't think it works in other apps...
[Xperia Z2 Original Android Development] hillbicks:
So unless I'm interested in using DRM content or streaming HD over MHL there is no need for me to keep waiting for an exploit that would allow me to backup the TA partition?
[Xperia Z2 Original Android Development] jiggyb21:
I haven't found any reason to regret doing it day one. I installed gravity box and it works flawlessly for the few mods I installed.
[Xperia Z2 Original Android Development] hillbicks:
I can't remember where I read that losing your DRM keys also affected video/camera performance, but I can't remember where. I don't mean the camera bug that came with the exploit for the Z1, but I guess I'm mistaken then.

Now I need to figure out what is neccessary to build a ROM for our device and if I should really try that. :P
[Xperia Z2 Original Android Development] jiggyb21:
I read that too. I think it was an assumption made because that's what losing the DRM keys did to the Z and Z1. The camera and video have greatly exceeded my expectations.
[Xperia Z2 Original Android Development] JMonkeYJ:
Can you still use the PlayStation store and play games from it if you lose your DRM keys?
[Xperia Z2 Original Android Development] yeeson:
Bootloader unlock X-reality Contrast figure：
[Xperia Z2 Original Android Development] hasenbein1966:
Left picture = with X-Reality (=****ty oversaturated, unnatural), right picture = without dreaded X-Reality.

Right?
[Xperia Z2 Original Android Development] yeeson:
Yes！:good:
[Xperia Z2 Original Android Development] chesterr:
Can you confirm with this the camera low light features? cause we saw on Z and Z1 forums where they lost the ability shoot good photos in low light. And all the photos came pretty noisy, Can you confirm that it is not affected cause TA had a role in BIONZ post processing, specially during the low light. and I saw it affected on Xperia Z when it was updated to 4.3. so I guess it is the same with Z2.
[Xperia Z2 Original Android Development] fribriz:
Dear hasenbein1966,

With regards to your TAblet Z2 rooted and unlocked; do you have wifi or LTE?4G version?
[Xperia Z2 Original Android Development] hasenbein1966:
WiFi version.
[Xperia Z2 Original Android Development] rehanraza:
Is it possible to to root z2 with locked bootloader. I have seen this in z1c and z1 forum. I hope it's achievable in z2 aswell.
[Xperia Z2 Original Android Development] adamtan:
not yet.

currently Z2 is out with limited stocks and testers/devs dont have a lot of units to work on.

So it might take some time
[Xperia Z2 Original Android Development] riso123:
Wow, so I can't root as my bootloader is not unlockable???

Well that sucks as I want dsp and xposed :(
[Xperia Z2 Original Android Development] benengyj:
Welcome to the waiting for exploit club. :highfive:
[Xperia Z2 Original Android Development] riso123:
Hehe, well I waited long enough for the device so waiting for this shouldn't be a problem.

Guess now people are getting their phones in Europe more Dev work will begin?... Hopefully. ;)
[Xperia Z2 Original Android Development] SwiftSmoke:
That's as long as an exploit can be found, the Ztablet had a long winded way of keeping root without bootloader unlock but that had previous versions of android to rely on. The more up to date the android version is the more secure it seems to get :(
[Xperia Z2 Original Android Development] stanley08:
So wait! Let me get this correctly.

Before I do this, I have to Unlock my bootloader.

But before i unlock my BL, I should do a TA backup if i need to save my DRM keys.

But before I do a TA Backup, i must be rooted.

And I can't root without Unlocking Bootloader.

So, bottomline... Wait for an exploit. Yes? :D
[Xperia Z2 Original Android Development] jiggyb21:
No, there is no way right now to perform a TA backup. That's the main problem.
[Xperia Z2 Original Android Development] stanley08:
Aha! I see... Anyways. Looking to get an Xperia Z2 tomorrow. I guess i will have to get used to using Android without root for a while. :( Or buy M8. Their dev section really kicked off nicely. :p
[Xperia Z2 Original Android Development] chesterr:
Well you can root with locked bootloader, and Lots of Devs have done that in the past.If you really don't care about these DRM keys then you don't need to perform a TA back-up. it's just for the warranty purposes and some features. Before it had to do with the camera functionality as well, Now without evidence we never know whether the camera will perform well under low light. If you think HTC One M8 forum devs really kicked off nicely, then you're wrong cause here you have root easily with unlocked bootloader. and with HTC there's no DRM stuff going on. and with KitKat rooting supposed to be harder not easier due to the security purposes. And I am pretty sure lots of Devs yet didn't get the Z2 yet.

And I am pretty sure that DoomLord is busy with his work also so he's not gonna be spending time to find an exploit.
[Xperia Z2 Original Android Development] stanley08:
Lol. I never doubted [MENTION=2784807]DooMLoRD[/MENTION] I used an Xperia before way back (Neo V). And he was fantastic. Hoping to pick up my Z2 tomorrow tho. Or today already :) (Stayed up soo late :p) I'm also happy to see Z2 do better in battery department than M8. As many have said the M8 battery lasts longer. But oh well! When we get to really 'play' with the phone, maybe CM :p I'm sure the extra 600mAh would count :D
[Xperia Z2 Original Android Development] riso123:
Well everything about the phone is great other than music... It's awful! I need\want to root to use dsp from cyanogenmod :(.

I don't know enough to look at exploits myself, so hope a good Dev can find one soon.

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Stupid question, but if I call Vodafone and ask them to allow me to unlock can they simply change it via the network?

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Hmm, maybe it wasn't such a stupid question, I see it does appear to be carrier based.

I don't mind paying a couple of quid to have it unlocked if need be.
[Xperia Z2 Original Android Development] rehanraza:
I filled voda uk unlock form and received email. The unlock code is not present in our database we hav forwarded your request to vendor to provide us with unlock code.
[Xperia Z2 Original Android Development] paddylaz:
This is a noob question so I apologise profusely but if xperia z2 sim free handsets are ALREADY bootloader unlocked (as I've been led to believe?) does that mean I root safely without losing drm keys and/or getting the lag some of you early rooters have been experiencing?
[Xperia Z2 Original Android Development] riso123:
Damn, I'm just about to fill in the same form :(
[Xperia Z2 Original Android Development] jiggyb21:
I feel like a broken record. There is no way to back up DRM keys as of right now. 5 or 6 posts ago. And a couple times before that. You can root and lose those keys with the method in this thread. I was experiencing lag on v1 but have none on v2.
[Xperia Z2 Original Android Development] paddylaz:
Thank you for the swift reply. I didn't actually ask if there was a way to backup the DRM keys. I'm fully aware that's discussed ad nauseam in the previous posts.

I was just wondering about the DRM keys and their connection to the 'locked' bootloader and whether this would be an issue were one to buy a phone that had the boot loader ALREADY unlocked. I was also asking whether sim free handsets come pre-unlocked as I had heard elsewhere.

Found my answers now anyway but thank you.
[Xperia Z2 Original Android Development] jiggyb21:
Sorry. I makes more sense reading now that I've had a coffee. My unlocked phone from Taiwan had a locked bootloader.
[Xperia Z2 Original Android Development] paddylaz:
No worries mate, thanks for the quick replies all the same x
[Xperia Z2 Original Android Development] hasenbein1966:
*rolling eyes* Unlocked bootloader has NOTHING to do with SIM unlocked...

It's just both times the word "unlocked"...

:p :eek::silly:
[Xperia Z2 Original Android Development] paddylaz:
Feel free to roll your eyes back. No-one suggested the two were intertwined with all mobile phones. Sometimes however, you do get handsets that have both (a lovely example being the Nexus 5).

What happened here is you skim read mid-way through a conversation I was having with someone else, and didn't see the context (shown in my first post) that this was related to the Xperia z2 handset, hence it's appearance in this forum. Please read next time before deploying the attitude.
[Xperia Z2 Original Android Development] RHBH:
The only thing that is holding me to buy this phone is whether this phone will be rooted, at least partial root which is enough to backup TA.

I'm pretty sure that there will be no way to get full root on this phone without unlocking the BL, installing XZDualRecovery then restoring TA.
[Xperia Z2 Original Android Development] riso123:
This sucks. Root is my everything. What's the point in having this phone if I can root it!?
[Xperia Z2 Original Android Development] jiggyb21:
I bought the phone, played with it for a day to make sure it worked then threw caution to the wind, rooted it and have never looked back. This is the best phone I've ever used. Perfect for me.
[Xperia Z2 Original Android Development] riso123:
I would too if my bootloader want locked in!
[Xperia Z2 Original Android Development] dany20mh:
You can root it , but it's almost partial ( if you don't care about your DRM key )

Either way just be patient and wait a little bit, people ( devs ) are not your slave to follow you, whenever they find time, they will find a exploit for it and we all have root with TA backup.
[Xperia Z2 Original Android Development] riso123:
Don't get me wrong, I'm not expecting them to sort it, I understand that.

My understanding is though that I can't root without an unlocked bootloader?

If I can, then please let me know.

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I think your confused. I CAN'T root because my boot loader is locked and can't be unlocked.

An exploit root will work, but there is a chance nothing will ever be found as Dev for our service is almost non existent.
[Xperia Z2 Original Android Development] dany20mh:
That is the point, there is no way right now to root you phone without unlocking your bootloader and doing that will cause you losing you DRM key forever and that is why we all have to wait and be patient so some exploit to be found and let us know to backup TA partition that holding DRM key.
[Xperia Z2 Original Android Development] riso123:
I never said I didn't know that.

I don't care about my DRM keys, so would happily unlock my bootloader to root, but my boot loader is locked and can't be unlocked.

Sheesh.
[Xperia Z2 Original Android Development] dany20mh:
Oh, so you mostly out of lock for now, where did you got your phone ?

From carriers ?
[Xperia Z2 Original Android Development] riso123:
Vodafone?

But I will be able to root via exploit right?
[Xperia Z2 Original Android Development] dany20mh:
From what I read so far in the other thread like Z1, there is a root for lock bootloader too. ( if I'm not mistaken or wrong )

But I'm not sure for carrier specific device.
[Xperia Z2 Original Android Development] RHBH:
I read on Z1s root bounty topic that those some developer managed to get partital root (read only), this would be enough to backup TA, unlock bootloader, flash an advanced stock kernel just like the one on this topic, flash a recovery like XZDualRecovery, power off the device, flash stock kernel, restore TA... Full root on LB...

The problem on Z1s is that the bootloader cannot be unlocked. But at least on unbranded Z2 this won't be an issue.

So, I'll repeat: if someone manages to get partial root, this is enough to backup TA, get full root then restore TA.

But for users that have bootloader unlock allowed: no, I see no light in the end of tunnel.
[Xperia Z2 Original Android Development] riso123:
So basically you don't believe root will be possible for me ever?
[Xperia Z2 Original Android Development] chesterr:
Just hold on brother, everything is possible. :) I saw how Z1 Compact was rooted.

So there will be an exploit soon.
[Xperia Z2 Original Android Development] RHBH:
I don't see any possible exploit for full root with system partition protected (ric service). If there was one, Z1s would have full root.
[Xperia Z2 Original Android Development] riso123:
Ok, so by full root you mean I wouldn't be able to flash a zip such as dsp manager etc?
[Xperia Z2 Original Android Development] RHBH:
Full root I mean, be able to mount system partition as rw... write files in the system... with partital root you have only read access...

You won't be able to install a LB recovery without full root or unlocking the bootloader.
[Xperia Z2 Original Android Development] riso123:
I see.

Think I'll be jumping ship and sending the phone back tomorrow in favour of the s5. This phone has been nothing but a pain since I ordered it.
[Xperia Z2 Original Android Development] RHBH:
I'm not saying that you won't have full root on a Unlockable BL. I'm saying it's unlikely.
[Xperia Z2 Original Android Development] nyichiban:
Just a question maybe stupid but do all your phones say that the bootloader is unlockable? for my phone I looked at some setting and under bootloader unlockable it says yes. But currently it is locked. Does this mean my phone's bootloader can be unlocked in a different way that will allow me to keep my DRM?
[Xperia Z2 Original Android Development] RHBH:
No.

There are 3 bootloader status;

Bootloader Unlocked: Yes (this means your bootloader is unlocked... Dah :P)

Bootloader Unlock Allowed: No (this means your bootloader is locked and cannot be unlocked)

Bootloader Unlock Allowed: Yes (this means your bootloader is locked and can be unlocked)
[Xperia Z2 Original Android Development] DooMLoRD:
hi mate!

long time no see ;)

good to see you here in Z2 section! when are you getting the device?
[Xperia Z2 Original Android Development] DennisDD78:
Good day!

Guys, is it true that bootloader unlocking doesn`t turn off functions like X-Reality and other ?
[Xperia Z2 Original Android Development] rehanraza:
Any one already rooted please share your observations in terms of functionality lose i.e camera not working or any other Sony app not working. Tnx
[Xperia Z2 Original Android Development] jiggyb21:
I can't tell the difference between on and off. I assumed I lost it until someone posted a comparison photo "proving" functionality is not lost. I could really care less anyway...I prefer my colors natural.

I know not the answer you're looking for but I don't use Sony movie/music apps so can't speak to those. All other Sony apps work just fine. Camera is totally functional, no lag. I have not found any reason to regret

rooting.
[Xperia Z2 Original Android Development] rehanraza:
Thanks for your input. Locked bootloader was the only reason i returned z2 (was with bravia tv offer and only paying 42£ for 12 month with no up front) gave up all just to get Unlocked bootloader. Hope it pays off.
[Xperia Z2 Original Android Development] RHBH:
The Z2 isn't released here (Brazil) yet, our model will be different (D6543, DTV and different LTE baseband). It's expected to launch between Mid May and Early June.

I'll be buying it on the launch, since I got a 35% off voucher from my uncle that works at Sony Brazil.

I already saw the Z2 here, in the hands of Sony employees.
[Xperia Z2 Original Android Development] Lolento:
Does miracast still work after unlocking bootloader? Speaking from Galaxy S4 experience, this is the function that is lost when removing Knox and flashing custom kernel.
[Xperia Z2 Original Android Development] keithross39:
Eh?......remove Knox? That was/is one of the reasons I was considering the Z2 over the S4/S5......because I thought Knox couldn't be bypassed.........
[Xperia Z2 Original Android Development] riso123:
Of course it can. Most ROMs on Samsung variants have it ripped out as default...
[Xperia Z2 Original Android Development] keithross39:
Damn.....lol.....

Now I have 4 phones to choose from when I upgrade.....

Z2, One M8, S4 or S5......

Anyway....enough of the OT :):D

Sent from my Markox powered KitKatted S2
[Xperia Z2 Original Android Development] riso123:
Personally I like the look of the m8, but after the disaster of the z2 being so far unrootable for me, I'm going back to what I know, which is the s5.
[Xperia Z2 Original Android Development] deezid:
Is MHL mirroring possible if DRM keys are lost?

Gesendet von meinem Nexus 7 2013 LTE mit Tapatalk
[Xperia Z2 Original Android Development] RHBH:
Sure, it's a hardware feature that is not software dependent.

What you guys need to understand is that DRM keys (Digital Rights Management) are only vital to proprietary software technology;

Some of the features that are probably not working when Z2 is bootloader unlocked are:

- X-Reality for Mobile

- BIONZ Image Processing (that's why some of you can see differences on locked and unlocked bootloaders picture samples).

These two are software stuff, in some cases it can be dependent of hardware (as BIONZ is dependent of this specific CMOS, that is larger and better than average phones [at least Sony says it is]).
[Xperia Z2 Original Android Development] chesterr:
yeeson says that the pictures are okay in low-light conditions. Can you confirm that? Have you unlocked the bootloader?
[Xperia Z2 Original Android Development] RHBH:
I don't have a Z2 (yet). But I can notice differences on my Z1 with bootloader unlocked and locked (with DRM keys).

Specially on low-light pictures, but colors tends to be a bit over saturated with LB, this can cause excessive noise, that's why people says that Superior Auto sucks and Manual mode is better (where you can control the light enviromment and increase or decrease), at least on UB Superior Auto works great.
[Xperia Z2 Original Android Development] jiggyb21:
There's no denying what effect it had on previous z's however there seems to be a belief that they don't carry over to the z2. How bad is the noise in low light. To me the z2 with my unlocked bootloader is taking better low light photos than any phone I've ever had. Nexus 5, S3, HTC One, z1s to name some.
[Xperia Z2 Original Android Development] Lolento:
Hate to call you out but you are wrong.

Miracast doesn't work on Samsung phones once knox is disabled and custom kernel is used, regardless of whether Miracast feature is left alone or ripped. Miracast just simply won't connect.

This is the reason I am not buying another Samsung.

I am wondering if we have the same issue with Z2, can anyone physically confirm rather than just assuming it will work?
[Xperia Z2 Original Android Development] jiggyb21:
How is it a disaster? The phone has barely been available, and it's expensive. It takes money and time for devs to do their thing. Someone already told you how demanding you come off and you said that wasn't your intention. You seem that way to me to be honest.
[Xperia Z2 Original Android Development] chesterr:
Hey I'm sorry if it's too much of asking. Since you're bootloader unlocked, do you think you can provide me some low light shots you've taken?

Original picture if can. with different modes if you have Thanks a lot :)
[Xperia Z2 Original Android Development] KevinB88:
How is it with s5? Are features, missing because of missing knox, back if you flash original Rom with knox or are they lost forever like drm of z2?

Gesendet von meinem D6503 mit Tapatalk
[Xperia Z2 Original Android Development] riso123:
I wasn't talking about Miracast lol?

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Urm, you just taking what I'm saying the wrong way. I have NEVER made demands to devs and never would. I appreciate how clever their work here is and how much time and effort it takes.

What I am demanding and unhappy about is, firstly the delay in the phone launch with no updates really from Vodafone or Sony, only to get the phone and find its locked down making riot difficult if not impossible.

Reading through updated here it's been said many times that root, even if made possible via an exploit may never be fill root and I would never be able to install custom ROMs etc.

So again, I'm not complaining about the dev, but the lack of ability I seemingly will never get compared to a Samsung phone.

If this still sounds like a complaint about devs to you, then I don't know how to make it any clearer to you that I'm not.
[Xperia Z2 Original Android Development] jiggyb21:
I don't mind at all. I'm curious too if I am using a phone with less than designed low light capabilities. For a good comparison to what you have in mind and to avoid posting 20 pictures, can you be a little specific? How dark are we talking? Did the "extra" noise occur with and without flash? Inside and out?
[Xperia Z2 Original Android Development] chesterr:
Okay well, Low light as in You know take some shots when you go out at night. Eg: if you're in a pub at 9pm it's inside and if you take pics of a street at the same time it's outside and you're just using the street lights only and inside the pub you can use the flash but outside it's kinda pointless. As an example here you can see in BoneXDA's post.

http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=51797584&postcount=122

Cause this will confirm that Sony's Bionz image processing tech still interacts with the TA.
[Xperia Z2 Original Android Development] jiggyb21:
I started a thread here. Tell me what you think. I'm curious what you think. I never took a pic prior to unlocking so I have nothing to compare to.

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?p=52198327
[Xperia Z2 Original Android Development] leviatus:
Does any1 know if the audio effects are affected as well?
[Xperia Z2 Original Android Development] RHBH:
It shouldn't be affected.
[Xperia Z2 Original Android Development] ManuH8:
i have one Z2 from Vodafone with bootloader LOCKED and "NO"... is not possible do root or anything with this bootloader locked?
[Xperia Z2 Original Android Development] DooMLoRD:
not at the moment...

if and when someone posts a root exploit we can get root on locked bootloaders... till then no go... :(
[Xperia Z2 Original Android Development] ManuH8:
Ok, thanks! but maybe is possible? For example, on z1 with bootloader locked i can do it, right?

Thanks for your job!
[Xperia Z2 Original Android Development] RHBH:
On Z1 yes, because you downgrade to 4.2.2, root and update without losing root. But there is no 4.2.2 to Z2.
[Xperia Z2 Original Android Development] benengyj:
Does this root method still work on the latest firmware version?
[Xperia Z2 Original Android Development] huangjs:
I do think so.

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Still waiting for Z2 exploit for root!!!:highfive: