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[Nexus 6  General] notfaded1:
I can't wait..

It's that time of year again and my nexus 10 and nexus 5 are ready for some replacements. I'm all for the new tab and a bigger faster nexus 6 or X. I'm guessing it won't too bendy so might as well get ready to put that baby in my front kakies pockets... I don't wear skinny jeans so this will not be a problem and my guess is it's not going to come out less straight.
[Nexus 6  General] jayRokk:
Says who?

2k displays are a waste of time. 1080 is perfect. Anything above that is ridiculous and belongs on a TV. If I want to watch something truly high def, I'll go to my blue ray player and TV.
[Nexus 6  General] Dr. Krieger:
I agree with you, but I'm just saying that too much rumors usually mean something, it's really happening, despite how much we hate this choice.
[Nexus 6  General] nigelhealy:
+1

but you're being logical and not everyone is logical. People "see" a better display once they been indoctrinated. Personally I think screen brightness matters more than pixel count for a phone which has more occasion to be used outdoors. My Nexus 5 1080p is easier to see outdoors than my OnePlusOne 1080p, that matters more in non-BS real-life than any pixels >1080p,

Still, of course, you can see that >1080p extra improvement,

Isn't it grand! Isn't it fine! Look at the cut, the style, the line!

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BUT the rumors contradict each other! Detail!!!!

This rumor is a 805 5.2 1440p which is the most technically viable one to release now.

[IMG="5.2 1440p Shamu"]http://cdn.gsmarena.com/vv/newsimg/14/08/motorola-shamu-antutu/gsmarena_001.jpg[/IMG]

This rumor is of a much bigger phone

[IMG="6" Shamu"]http://www.androidcentral.com/sites/androidcentral.com/files/styles/large/public/article_images/2014/09/Nexus-6-Shamu-photo-leak.jpg[/IMG]

So you got these:

Both phones are happening if you believe every leak is true

Neither, which is consistent with the facts as there is no firm FCC posting to match.

one of them of which the polls and Apple sales suggest a 6" will sell much less quantity than a 5.2" so pick macho-phone or popular-phone (6" or 5.2")
[Nexus 6  General] Dr. Krieger:
One rumor is a benchmark (and actually quite old since that screen has been around for almost a month), the other has leaked pics of the device itself... You really think they're considered comparable?
[Nexus 6  General] jayRokk:
That benchmark score that was flying around was from the recent Moto X.

All the pictures that have been 'leaked' have either been fake, or photo shopped. The only picture I believe is real along with the benchmarks and FCC docs is the Moto X phablet. Its not the N6/X and I'm willing to place 100$ that we get no new nexus this year. Just android L.
[Nexus 6  General] nigelhealy:
So now you're interpreting the contradictory rumors. The greater point is their contradictions which thus pull in opposite directions.

You also have against the rumors the logic:

(relating to Nexus) Android L was all that was announced at Google I/O

Android L's is mostly a software story but its big change in hardware is 64bit

the 64bit procesor Soc 808 isn't out til next year, all that exists now is sampler units for proof-of-concept

release a phone now is 32bit, not 64bit.

So compound illogical with dumb with contradictory. What you get? Nothing.

Contrast with the HTC Nexus tablet which is consistent with multiple independent data points being consistently pointing to the same specification.

I'm seeing rumors which their contradiction tells me it is basically lie, not unlike what I saw this time last year about the "Nexus 10 2" which never happened a product now 2 years old showing Google doesn't have to release a product on anniversary if it doesn't see a need.

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Typo did you mean that?

Moto X is 720 x 1280, 2GB, Adreno 320, MSM8960/S4.

Not.... 1440x2560, 3GB, 420 805

Did you mean a Moto X Phablet which may be happening?

I agree the inconistency of the data does not show an imminent new Nexus phone. At most, we get an Android L with HTC Nexus tablet launch which has more consistency on specs with two independent referrals to its imminent launch.
[Nexus 6  General] jayRokk:
No I was referring to the rather old benchmark of the recent Moto X. That's old and has been around.

Yes that benchmark you posted is from the phablet.
[Nexus 6  General] nigelhealy:
So you think a Moto X 2014 "Plus" is happening?

To me, the Moto X at $550 RRP with not particularly high specs , 32GB max with no SD slot and a slow cpu is a high price for a low spec. Just making it bigger and the higher spec then points to a $650+ phone. I'm on basically better specs than the Moto X 2014 "Plus" already on OnePlus for $350....

As you say not in the Nexus mode which to get the same interet need to be nearer $400.
[Nexus 6  General] jayRokk:
I believe a Moto X 'plus' is more likely than a Nexus phone.

The one plus is cheap but the company is barely making any profits due to this.

Now Motorola is probably the only company with out a phablet phone. Sony- Z Ultra. HTC- ONE Max, Samsung- Note line, LG- Flex which is just a big curved G2 for a much higher price, and even the G3 is considered a phablet. I can keep going with other companies that have phablets.

Why not have Motorola release one after their flagship?
[Nexus 6  General] nigelhealy:
Don't care, I got a fast high capacity cheap pbablet for $372 delivered with case. Your point about them not making money isn't my problem. Their poor support associated with (in part) not making money though is my problem. A separate point.

Many on the Nexus 5 jumped to the OPO as its similar price point and open to customisation.

Your logic is sound. There is an argument for Moto X2 Plus for bragging rights to the macho buyers. But still... the price..... and its expensive without the Apple logo for their lemming to buy an expensive bendyphone.

There is less of an argument for new Nexus due to Nexus advancing Android and Android's next advance being L with 64bit which matches the Snapdragon 808 which is next year's phone.

So you're right, the evidence more logically points to a new Moto, not a new Nexus. I just know I won't buy it and I doubt many wanting a Nexus will either.
[Nexus 6  General] DroidDavi:
As I think about it it makes sense for them to do the 6 inch. The nexus is always based off a phone . Why make a phone built like the moto x to run stock when the x is basically 90% stock. They have to set them apart a little more
[Nexus 6  General] chrisjcks:
Android Police are now confirming the Nexus

And it will be called the Nexus 6 (not Nexus X)

http://www.androidpolice.com/2014/0...-battery-dual-front-facing-speakers-and-more/

5.9" 1440p

3200+mah

Front facing stereo speakers!

Metal frame!

Android L is 5.0 BTW. :)
[Nexus 6  General] badboy47:
Oh God no *throws up* please stop *throws up* anything but not 6'. I will take 6.5 inches.
[Nexus 6  General] nigelhealy:
The theory here is there is a 6" Moto phone happening, just not a Nexus.
[Nexus 6  General] furou:
Bad decision on account of Google to go with 5.9"... Who would want to buy such a huge phone? They pushed it too far.
[Nexus 6  General] nigelhealy:
Checks my watch,,, shakes, nope not April 1st

[IMG="6" phone"]http://media.giphy.com/media/MtabTdMGXUsyA/giphy.gif[/IMG]
[Nexus 6  General] fkloznica:
I think it will have the same footprint as g2 pro.. Same 5.9 inches and 3200mah battery

http://www.gsmarena.com/lg_g_pro_2-6052.php

Huge "phone"!!
[Nexus 6  General] KennyDumah:
Oh my god. I want this phone right now.

:D
[Nexus 6  General] bukithd:
http://imgur.com/6KUiLk4

I find it funny that spigen is advertising cases for the Nexus 5 *(2013)* Seems like they have a *(2014)* model in mind.
[Nexus 6  General] abdel12345:
Good catch but i think they just do that becuase of all the different nexus devices they don't wanna confuse people but that does seem like there's a 2014 version coming. If they released a nexus 5 2014 and a nexus 6 itd probably please everyone since that seems to be the main issue. But if they had a 2014 version would it also be made by Motorola with the nexus 6 or would it be made by lg? Maybe each make 1?
[Nexus 6  General] marleyfan61:
Hear that sound Google?? That's the sound of me buying a Moto X.
[Nexus 6  General] TiltedAz:
That looks good to me. I hope there's more confirming info coming. Increased display resolution, more battery capacity, dual speakers. Keep it coming. :good:
[Nexus 6  General] lude219:
Day 1 purchase confirm.
[Nexus 6  General] Dr Faustus:
I am just hoping we get a price/date leak soon.

I want to prep my cash so I can throw at this as soon as it is released!
[Nexus 6  General] doctor_droid:
Honestly i dont care abt nexus 6..i just want Android L
[Nexus 6  General] nomancoolboy:
My exact same words ..
[Nexus 6  General] Radixtrator:
If the render is real, it wnt be bigger than the iPhone 6 Plus Btw.
[Nexus 6  General] micstar:
So we will get a LG G3 Pro variant...

Let me guess: LG denied already, that they will produce the next nexus?
[Nexus 6  General] Dr. Krieger:
That benchmark probably belongs to the Motorola Droid, can't even get your facts straight.

Errrr have you seen Android police article this morning? Sounds like I was right and you were dead wrong.

Just as I said a couple of days ago, despite wanting it or not, this phablet thing is definitely happening.

That theory is dead wrong.

Well the leak had a comparison pic with the iPhone 6 Plus, and the Shamu it's a bit shorter but also a bit wider. That's not too bad considering it's half a inch bigger.
[Nexus 6  General] NexusJunkie:
Android L needs to get here already! Nexus 6 is cool and all, I think Android L will do just fine on my 5. If anything I'm most excited about what I've been hearing about Android Silver.
[Nexus 6  General] Radixtrator:
Which is still rumored to be dead...
[Nexus 6  General] _MetalHead_:
Right?? I'm all but certain now that I'm going with the Moro X Pure edition. I'm still gonna wait until the Nexus is announced, but the X is looking more and more appealing with each passing day.
[Nexus 6  General] Xernoxis:
Motorola purposely made nexus 6 like this so they would sell more of moto x.

# conspiracy
[Nexus 6  General] doctor_droid:
Google not intelligent enough to understand this? Double conspiracy ;)
[Nexus 6  General] NexusJunkie:
Regardless, I really like the idea. High end Vanilla Android phone are exactly what I want. I prefer running modules of what I want as opposed to being force fed Sense or Xperia. Nexus line has the better, cleaner UI I prefer but still lacks some of the perks of getting a high end phone, i.e. better camera, water resistant, et cetera. Even still the Nexus price point justifies the more simplistic phone and I can bargain with that.
[Nexus 6  General] Xernoxis:
Well that is already proven when they know a 6" will sell less than a 5". Or they should know..
[Nexus 6  General] Sentrix27:
I'm not sure about it not selling.

You guys all say you won't buy it now... but once the hype builds and launch day approaches... I'm guessing you'll pull the trigger regardless.
[Nexus 6  General] _MetalHead_:
I probably would have had I not already bought and sold the OnePlus One. That was my first experience with a phablet sized device and it was just way too big and unwieldy to be practical for me. And that was only a 5.5" screen. I may end up buying the Nexus 6 if the price is right just to have and tinker with, but it will never become my primary device. I'll let the Moto X 2014 and my iPhone 6 duke it out for that honor.
[Nexus 6  General] italia0101:
The hype ? This isn't an iPhone launch

?
[Nexus 6  General] Sentrix27:
In tech circles there's no question lots of hype. Were you around for the Galaxy Nexus?

Shouldn't need to say any more.
[Nexus 6  General] italia0101:
I was just playing, I've been here since the nexus s...

Personally it looks like it's going to be too big for me.

Just not sure I agreed with " pull the trigger regardless" bit, I actually have a choice in the matter...
[Nexus 6  General] oskimon:
First of all, sorry for my engrish.

Could the recent Motorola Droid Turbo benchmarks mean that a 5,2" Nexus is on the way? The previous Nexuses have been based on other phones, and since Motorola will be building the Nexus and there have been rumors about a 5,2" Nexus for a while now it's all lining up in my wishful mind.

http://www.gsmarena.com/motorola_droid_turbo_has_specs_detailed_via_benchmark-news-9788.php
[Nexus 6  General] hollisnh:
I have no issues with the screen size, just love the N5 light weight at 130grams. its going to suck if the N6 is 50% heavier at around 190grams. I had the LG G Pro for less then a week, at about 172grams and honestly it was way to heavy to keep in pocket or talk on while holding in hand for extensive time. If they can keep it less then 150grams, I will be interested.
[Nexus 6  General] abdel12345:
I just checked out the g pro 2 and saw this awesome feature where you can make the whole display smaller for some one handed use. That would bee a really handy feature on the nexus 6 if it turns out 6 inches. Still gives hope for a smaller version because though i like big screens watching phone comparisons of bigger devices like g pro 2 and z ultra make me feel like i won't be able to handle the size like that one handed
[Nexus 6  General] AntonyStark:
Exactly, Android L Hype could be close to ICS level, people who didn't need a new phone wanted it just for that.
[Nexus 6  General] Red Wolf:
I might not buy nexus 6 if the size is that big, I want a damn phone not a tablet. Google should understand that, why they are building a huge ass phone I have no idea o_0
[Nexus 6  General] AVF Jay:
Has there been confirmation of display type yet? I know resolution specs are pretty much confirmed but I want to know if it's an lcd display or oled?

If the new nexus has an oled screen I'll be getting it over the note 4 without a doubt. The amoled screen is the only thing that keeps me going towards samsung devices.

The last nexus device I had was the one made by samsung and I've been desperate to get another nexus device but I hate the backlight bleed and grey blacks of lcds.
[Nexus 6  General] farangutan:
I would get this and sell my nexus 7.

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I've always liked LCD screens over amoled but these newer amoled screens make it not a factor in my decision making. I hope it's amoled so that I could use something like active display on the moto x.
[Nexus 6  General] joshm.1219:
Lol what a funny thread of speculations to read after already knowing the specs released from AP.
[Nexus 6  General] shawnten:
i wonder how big its gonna be compared to the note 4. actual phone size
[Nexus 6  General] nigelhealy:
The AP is itself just a rumor "unnamed sources" and it contradicts other information. The one individual who has posted this claim has been making the same claim with different mockups for 2 weeks so its not independent corrobating rumors but the same one changing over time. That should temper any conclusions.

Waiting for Google announcement.

It makes sense for Motorola to offer a larger version of the Moto X, similar to why Apple did with iPhone 6+, to complement the iPhone 6, because there is a small % of mobile users who prefer bigger phones, so if you add a large phone you extend potential market share.

The challenge on logic and data ground is for Google's

only

phone be so large as from all the polls, survey, formal and informal, above 5" in size is less appealing.

Compounding the fact that this is one person's unsubstantiated citing of a non-corroborated source:

No FCC posting (that I've seen quoted but I might have missed)

No accessories leaking to match (unlike keyboard case for the HTC Nexus 9) apart from the post that Spigen have changed a case to Nexus 5 (2013) implying a 2014 but then..... Nexus 6 name (the leak's claim of name) then contradicts this point as there is no Nexus 5 (2014) version.

nothing from Google (yet)

I'd be less incredulous if this was a Moto Pure larger phone. The claim this is the next Nexus is baffling.

If this phone is actually happening the price is the key question. I bought my OnePlusOne 64GB with case for $372 delivered, before that I bought a N5 32GB for $385 delivered in May and way back Nexus 4 16GB for $392.07 January '13. Google's history extrapolates to $50 more so 32GB $400 and 64GB for $450 which +tax+shipping means 64GB for ~ $500.

Still hoping for a N5 price drop.
[Nexus 6  General] dwang:
Android Police is usually very reliable.

https://plus.google.com/113781386215450614303/posts/CgieVRCoSSg
[Nexus 6  General] nigelhealy:
As an owner of a OnePlusOne, I'd say it matter more if you want to put the claimed Nexus 6 in a case or keep naked. Bigger phones need bigger cases and bigger cases are heavier.

My naked Nexus 5 vs my naked OnePlus in left/right trouser pockets, I can't really sense difference in weight or size particularly but put the N5 in a thin Spigen case and the OPO in a thin Diztronic case, you can then for sure feel the OPO as larger and heavier.

From my observation, most people put a case and a screen protector but there are polls out there which have measured the % split.
[Nexus 6  General] joshm.1219:
Android Police, along with Android Central's Jerry Hildenbrand (sp?), are usually the most reliable nexus leakers. I've heard it implied on multiple podcasts throughout the last couple years that they have sources within the nexus program.
[Nexus 6  General] nigelhealy:
Of all the sites, I agree that AP is the one I most regard.

I see they are digging in their heels defending their source. Oh s**t Google may do this. It makes no sense to only release one large Nexus phone. In ascending order of maximum sales: 6, 5, 5+6, i.e. they picked the least liked solution this rumor is the total story.
[Nexus 6  General] fkloznica:
http://www.gsmarena.com/compare.php3?idPhone1=6052&idPhone2=6434

G pro 2 vs note4

Plus stereo speakers on front. Probably bigger top and down bezel
[Nexus 6  General] nigelhealy:
I agree with the % probability that AP is correct. However, it is not certain and I'd also challenge if this is just a subset of the whole truth. A Nexus 6 by itself won't be received as well as a 5.2" by itself or a 5.2"+6" launched. There are definately for sure users out there wanting a 6" phone, but they are a minority relative to those preferring smaller.

If they did say:

Nexus 6 is launched and Nexus 5 price drop is announced (which contradict the rumor the N5 is no longer made which tallie with no recent ebay daily deals on N5)

Announce a N5 successor is in 2015 (808 64bit based)

Then it would be more logical and more successful, it is then extending and complementing in a roadmap.

The source who AP has may either be selective what leaked or just works in and knows one corner of the roadmap.

I'll still reserve logic and common sense to balance rumors.
[Nexus 6  General] jayRokk:
That article is based on stuff they already 'knew' and just a shot of the front of this new phone. It doesn't mean its the nexus 6, they are speculating it is.

And you must be new to this thread because you didn't predict or mention anything that PLENTY of people hadn't already said.

AP is an extremely reliable source but ultimately only google knows.
[Nexus 6  General] nigelhealy:
That isn't what they said. They said they had new reliable evidence.

This one chap at AP has been mentioning this one 5.9 Shamu over weeks, but 2 weeks ago was saying no evidence, now is saying they seen credible evidence.

We also don't know what part this source knows, is it whole or subset. Example, this one leak is true and coming out of Moto whilst say there is also a LG N5 revision going on this one leaker doesn't know or didn't say (not a rumor just an example).
[Nexus 6  General] jayRokk:
Which new evidence? Evidence is shown and proven. All they said was "we have new and reliable evidence" which ultimately isn't evidence to me. Do they really have it? Maybe. Do I believe it? Not until the phone is officially announced.

And AP keeps publishing contradictory stuff. First they didn't have any source, now they do, and they been knowing for a while, but that just contradicts that they didn't know and didn't have a reliable source.

Its all up in the air right now. Remember when the N5 came out. Everyone had 'reliable' sources up until google 'accidently' leaked the phone in a video, which didn't match ANY of the leaks or reliable sources people had.

So can google be doing a much better job at keeping the N6 a secret? Could be.
[Nexus 6  General] nigelhealy:
They are protecting their source which is perfectly fine. AP has a track record of not stating they have seen evidence they haven't seen. So I believe they believe their source. What I challenge is if their source is telling the whole truth.

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Come on, when you post about rumors and then post when you got new information, by definition they contradict each other as the details change.

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Based on what AP wrote, I'd say a 6" Nexus looks probable. I just challenge if this is the whole story. We got the iphone story going on the side where (unscientific) the website trackers show more iphone 6 visiting websites than iphone 6+ are visiting websites indicating smaller is more popular, but it not scientific as 6+ could just be made by Apple in smaller % and so they force less sold.

I won't buy the Nexus 6. I just replaced my tablet to make it better fit my needs and if I could get a new N5 32GB at a decent price I'd buy it, unless, I could see a 808 based N5 out in early 2015 as that phone will be faster and better battery life. I will not buy a N6. It's stupid large and all the problems I got with OPO are even worse and my OPO I got for very little money (after factoring the invites I sold) so I ain't paying $500 for an even worse phone. I never dropped my N5. I've dropped my OPO twice due to its size. N6.... look out!
[Nexus 6  General] jayRokk:
I can understand the whole protecting your source deal. But it isn't evidence, or a source to me or any other person that isn't in AP so it still leaves me with speculation.

What people also need to understand is that the picture of the phone AP published IS a mock up and the device can still turn out to be something completely different.

The N5 is based on the G2 and they look completely different.

So maybe it is by Motorola and hopefully it looks completely different and has smaller dimensions for the frame. The AP render looks bulky and huge. The 6+ looks extremely unappealing to me due to its immense size. So I'm just gonna sit tight and hope for the best and hope for google and moto to work some magic out.

I will not buy a phone, a Nexus phone, at more than a 400$ price. I loved the Nexus line for the price as well and if its anything different, I'll look somewhere else or just keep my N5. It still runs like butter on a hot pan so I'm not too eager for a new Nexus.
[Nexus 6  General] nigelhealy:
Agreed its not as strong evidence as it could be.

Yes I think we all see that, they got oral information and guessed what it would look like. To me the key fact is 5.9" which is too large and the pixels density will worsen battery life, at least with my OPO it is driving a lot of light but only at 1080p.

I don't care its too big. Period.

Agree. I gave my N5 to my wife, I periodically touch it to do e.g. flash latest Franco kernel and its absolutely perfect, my wife is getting typically down to 20% battery after ~ 14 hours off base and she plonks on a QI charger next to bed. Sorted. I miss it with my monster big but very fast reliable OPO. I also have Nexus 4 I gave to my daughter, it is a good size but too-dim screen. N5 is perfect apart from a need for a few tweaks. So does that confirm no new N5 as its so good it can't really be improved upon? Our compliments to N5 is why there is no N5 2014? N6 is differentiation, to run alongside N5 til N5 2015 808 faster/better edition?