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[Nexus 6  General] ChazzMatt:
No, I bet that's the "announce" date. Don't confuse "release" (available for purchase) with "announce".

Microsoft and other companies often "announces" product 3 months ahead of time. Release is when you can buy it.
[Nexus 6  General] wvcadle:
That's a crock.

Anyway, I love leaks. The only thing I didn't like about all the leaks last year is that after all of the leaks, Google didn't even have a release announcement. The devices just showed up. I'd like a big 'to-do' event from Google. I consider the Nexus line to be the best Android phones at the time of their release, let's party it up!
[Nexus 6  General] ChazzMatt:
Google had "stealth" announcements last year. The FCC leak was not a "leak"; confidential test result releases have to be authorized by the manufacturer. That happened within a few days of the "accidental" leak in the Google Kitkat video, where the gen4 LG Nexus 5, gen4 Nexus 4 and gen3 Galaxy Nexus were all shown side by side. Right. ;)

So, Nexus 5 shows up in video produced by Google. Just days later the "manufacturer" authorizes FCC public release of "confidential" test results, with pictures two months before actual release. THAT was the announcement, right there. How about the video where it was left in a bar, charging. Please. Even these Antutu test results this year? Every manufacturer has their own software for benchmark tests. They don't need to use public web testing software. Any public tests that show up are MEANT to show up. (no Apple iPhone 6 benchmark tests leaked.)
[Nexus 6  General] chrisjcks:
Last year, Google announced it on the same day it was available for purchase.

So, 'release' & 'announce' was the same thing. :)
[Nexus 6  General] wvcadle:
Not good enough, even if it were true. I also don't believe Google continues to make the Nexus line just for developers. Surely, we're not so arrogant that we think Google would spend tens of millions of dollars developing a phone just for developers? Hence, if they're going to make it more main stream and gain more sales, and why wouldn't they, they're going to have to up their game.
[Nexus 6  General] ChazzMatt:
Yes, last year the official announcement and release were on the same day. But that is the exception. Too many people confuse "announcement", "launch", "release".

See my post above how google actually "announced" the phone two months before release, in the Kitkat video and the FCC test release. :) That was the PR announcement, without having to officially say anything. It confirmed it was real (video was from Google) and confirmed the specs (from the FCC, and authorized by the manufacturer). Google found a way to release the information without officially saying anything.

I just can't see an Oct 16 release for the Nexus 6. That feels more like the Nexus 9 tablet announcement, maybe the L naming announcement, with all three (Nexus 6, Nexus 9, L-whatever) to be actually released end of the month, first week of November.
[Nexus 6  General] chrisjcks:
If that's an announcement....

You mean exactly like they've already done with the Nexus 6? LOL

We know all the specs.

We have all seen it.

These are coming from Google, leaked by others.

So why would the rumoured 15/16 OCT be 'another' announcement.
[Nexus 6  General] ChazzMatt:
That's why I wish LG was making it again. Look at the difference between the 5.5" 1440p LG G3 and the 5.5" 1080p iPhone 6 Plus.

Even the difference between the 2013 LG G2 and the 2014 Moto X. Both have 5.2" 1080p displays. The LG G2 has 3,000 mAh battery, the Moto X has 2,300 mAh battery -- but the LG G2 is SMALLER.

LG uses stolen alien technology to cram big displays into smaller frames. ;) Whereas Motorola doesn't impress me much. I hope Google engineers actually made the Nexus 6 and kept Motorola at arm's length.

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Because they still haven't named L. Last year they had a naming announcement for KitKat -- to say what the actual K name was. That was when the Nexus 5 video was "leaked". I'm sure they will have a L announcement before the devices are released -- and all the Android fans (myself included) will go over the video frame by frame.
[Nexus 6  General] chrisjcks:
Actually, wasn't that announcement from Nestlé?

Also....

Google, already have. :)

http://www.filecluster.com/news/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/Android-Lollipop.jpg
[Nexus 6  General] ChazzMatt:
No, the video came from Google when they put the Kitkat statue with the rest, and officially announced the name.

That lollipop picture came from Google or made by some fanboi?

EDIT: I search and see it was on Google's Facebook page. So, could be a hint or could be Google messing with us. Last year for all tests they were calling it Key Lime Pie to fool people. Real name was Kitkat which they had decided a full year earlier but kept TOP SECRET.
[Nexus 6  General] chrisjcks:
That lollipop birthday cake came directly from Google.

We know the Manufacturer

We know the specs

We know what it looks like

We know the Android version

What exactly have they got to announce?
[Nexus 6  General] ChazzMatt:
yeah, found it. I edited my answer. Probably just Google messing with us. ;) Like how they called all the "K" stuff Key Lime Pie for internal testing until the actual naming ceremony.
[Nexus 6  General] chrisjcks:
Key Lime Pie was always just an internal name & no marketing images were seen from Google.

This lollipop picture was released to everybody & on a special occasion day - Googles Birthday.
[Nexus 6  General] ChazzMatt:
It may be. it's a hint with a wink. That's Google's style.

But I wouldn't bet $100 on it. :) Until the actual naming ceremony, we don't know. If it turns out to be lollipop, then I'll come back and say you were right!

Last year, after the Kitkat naming ceremony, the candy manufacturer released stupid pictures with song names almost every day -- and featuring the KitKat candy bar. People tried to find meanings, to guess the actual release day, but as far as I know they made no sense. It was Halloween day, of course, because it was a candy bar. All the pictures in between were just for publicity, to get attention. If there was actually any coded messages in the song titles, they were lost on everybody.
[Nexus 6  General] The Fer-Shiz-Nizzle:
Google loves to have fun. Leaks don't mean anything! I was a beta tester for the cr-48 Chromebook that they only produced 60,000. I got 0 notice that I was going to receive one after requesting it. It just showed up on my doorstep. And the literature in the box that it came in, was full of jokes and technological innuendos.
[Nexus 6  General] chrisjcks:
Google have little to announce that everyone doesn't already know.

So I say announcement & purchase will once again be on the same day.

& 15/16 OCT is the big dates that are going round.

When Jerry Hildenbrand also confirms this from his sources - you have to take note. :)
[Nexus 6  General] ChazzMatt:
We don't know the official name of L. Last year that was done TWO MONTHS before release. This year I bet it's two weeks before release.

Show me Jerry Hildenbrand's post, please? I've searched and cannot find it.
[Nexus 6  General] chrisjcks:
You have to watch/listen to the latest Android Central podcast :)
[Nexus 6  General] ChazzMatt:
OK, I just watched and he did not say what you said. He said what I said. Announcement on 15th/16th, actual release LATER.

Android Central Podcast Ep. 205 live recording!

https://plus.google.com/events/cjpamit5gv3m0rdsebfsg4tokr0

32:03 into the podcast...

Jerry Hildenbrand:
[Nexus 6  General] Dr Faustus:
Google Glass, Project ARA, Project Tango, anyone?

Google does not make their primary income on selling hardware. It makes its income in Advertisements used in their search engine. This funds special projects which in more ways than one makes it in the hands of developers and in consumers. The Nexus Line is no different.
[Nexus 6  General] biggiestuff:
You notice there are two lollipops? Big and small? That confirms that there is a 5.9 and a 5.2. Jk hahahah
[Nexus 6  General] Dr Faustus:
Actually I like the theory that the lollipops on top were a misdirection for the real name for L which is "Layer Cake".

Again, not likely but an interesting theory and name.
[Nexus 6  General] Gorjira:
I know we're all hype for Android L(emon Head!) ;) and the Nexus 5.9 but remember this time last year when Google held two non-Android events and we all got our hopes up... Just saying. I'm all hype also, don't get me wrong. I'm gonna take all 5.9 inches so har... I mean... I'm game for this next wave of Androidultion.
[Nexus 6  General] C3C076:
Googlers must be having a great fun reading this thread :)
[Nexus 6  General] Venomous Viper 119:
I think the new nexus will sport a 5.5" QHD display, 2800mAh battery with wireless charging support, no active display (it's a moto thing, not a nexus thing), a really improved 8MP camera with auto focus & OIS, Snapdragon quad core SoC 805 clocked at 2.7GHz, 3GB RAM & adreno 440 GPU & of course, android l. I think it'll be called the nexus 6 & not a nexus x & android l is lollipop.
[Nexus 6  General] Slicktune:
Idk why, but I have a feeling your gonna be right, expect the unexpected, and that's so on point, think about it, I'm thinking those pictures are curve balls being thrown around on purpose by Google them selves to catch us off guard, those pics could be like someone else said "Moto XL"..... it just makes a whole lotta sense guys... think about it, we were wrong about the benchmark pics (ended up being the Droid turbo after all) so what mashes you think these pics are accurate if we haven't seen the nexus logo on this mysterious phone?

Think about it for a second. ...
[Nexus 6  General] floepie:
So, yeah, after I thought about it for a second, you could be right.:rolleyes:
[Nexus 6  General] wvcadle:
These are all just toys for Google (not the Nexus). Plus, "makes it in the hands of developers" is not equal to "creating a phone just for developers".
[Nexus 6  General] DrearierJester1:
I second this idea ...
[Nexus 6  General] chrisjcks:
When (not if) Google releases its 5.92" Nexus - I bet all you guys who have been moaning of its size, go & buy it anyway. :)
[Nexus 6  General] ChazzMatt:
We can only hope, right? I would buy a 5.2" 1440p, Snapdragon 805, 3GB RAM Nexus 6/Nexus X/whatever in a second. :good:

I would only wish Moto's 5.2" Nexus version were as small as the 5.2" 2013 LG G2... but Moto has sadly proven they can't do that. :rolleyes:

Moto basically copied the 2013 LG G2 for the new 2014 Moto X but still could not do it as good as LG. :rolleyes:

Same 5.2" 1080p display,

Same 13 megapixel rear camera,

2.0 mp front camera (G2 had 2.1 mp),

Snapdragon 801 (G2 had Snapdragon 800 -- only difference is higher CPU rate, GPU is the same in both).

2GB RAM

OK, do we agree it's basically the same phone? Now here are the differences, READ carefully.

LG G2 had OIS with rear camera,

LG G2 had wireless charging,

LG G2 had 3,000 mAh battery.

2014 Moto X has none of those. The new Moto X has only a 2,300 mAh battery (instead of 3,000 mAh) -- but for some reason is a BIGGER phone. WHY? :confused:

That's right, with same size display, BIGGER battery, more hardware, the 2013 LG G2 is a SMALLER PHONE (in every dimension) than the 2014 Moto X.

Motorola had a year to copy it and still messed it up. If LG had made this 5.9" Nexus 6 for Google, it would be beautiful and more compact.

http://www.phonearena.com/phones/compare/LG-G2,Motorola-Moto-X-2014/phones/7969,8897

2013 LG G3: 5.2" display, 3,000 mAh battery

5.45 x 2.79 x 0.35 inches (138.5 x 70.9 x 8.9 mm)

2014 Moto X: 5.2" display, 2,300 mAh battery

5.54 x 2.85 x 0.39 inches (140.8 x 72.4 x 9.9 mm)

_________________________________

Same way HTC has shown their 5.0" One M8 is almost as freakin big as LG's 5.5" LG G3. What the heck?

A 5.9" Nexus 6 made by Motorola I couldn't immediately buy. I've held the HTC One M8, I've held the 5.1" Samsung S5, I've held the quite excellent 5.5" LG G3. That LG G3 is about the biggest phone size I want to go. And LG managed to cram 5.5" 1440p display into a 5.2" - 5.3" phone "frame".

It's not the display size, it's the PHONE size. We want bigger displays, we don't necessarily want bigger phones. Manufacturers should make every attempt to shave bezels. If LG can do it, why can't others?

Look at the 5.5" LG G3 next to the 5.5" iPHone 6 Plus

There's no reason a phone should be THAT big and only have 5.5" display, when LG manages to put the same size 5.5" display into a smaller frame (and much higher resolution). You hold the phone, not the display.

But since I've held the LG G3 and know that's the edge of my comfort level, I look very askance at this Shamu 5.9' phone.

But since Motorola made a BIGGER 5.2" Moto X phone than the 5.2" LG G2 -- even though it has LESS hardware and much smaller battery (2,300 mAh vs 3,000 LG G2), Moto's 5.9" Nexus 6 is questionable for me. I hope there's a 5.2" Nexus version waiting in the wings (which would still be bigger than it needed to be, since Moto is making it). :rolleyes: But I would buy it, anyway.
[Nexus 6  General] chrisjcks:
I'm glad you've liked your LG devices but to say Motorola can't do small bezels isnt true.

The Nexus 6 is rumoured to be just 8mm taller & 9mm wider than the G3 yet has a screen that is over a centimetre larger & a larger battery.
[Nexus 6  General] ChazzMatt:
I edited my post while you were replying, to add this picture:

Then why did Moto make the 2014 Moto X bigger than the 2013 LG G2, even though it has a much smaller battery and less hardware? No one ever said the LG G2 was "too small"? It's because Moto engineers can't do as well. Same reason Google went with LG for the Nexus 5. The LG G2 was that good, and the 2013 Moto X was not. In fact, Google made Motorla delay the 2013 Moto X for a few months to improve it before release. Moto does "mid tier" phone very well but has never produced a top tier phone, like an LG G2 or HTC One.

While LG was producing the 2014 LG G3, Moto was doing a knock off of last year's LG G2.

Same way the 2013 4.7" 720p Moto X was a knock off of the 2012 4.7" 720p LG Optimus G. (While all the top tier manufacturers were doing 1080p in 2013, best Moto could do was 720p? Even the 2013 4.7" HTC One M7 was 1080p! Moto seems to stay about a year behind in hardware design, is all I'm saying.

This will be the first time a manufacturer has done a Nexus phone with better specs than their "flagship" phone. I'm just not confident Motorola is up to the challenge.

That 5.5" 1440p LG G3 is the limit of my comfort level for a PHONE. Anything bigger, I'll have serious doubts about. YES, I am buying the HTC Nexus 9 TABLET. But for a PHONE, I want something in the range of the 2013 LG G2 5.2" - 2014 LG G3 5.5".

IF Google had commissioned an "updated" LG G2 to be the Nexus 6 -- to have 5.2", 1440p, Snapdragon 805, 3GB RAM -- THAT would be perfect! It could still be "based" on the LG G3, like the Nexus 5 was based on the LG G2, but be 5.2" display size. I would even go for a Nexus 6 the same size as the LG G3, if LG made it. 5.5" 1440p. But any bigger frame than that is not desirable.
[Nexus 6  General] chrisjcks:
Not sure why you've added that photo.

It still only shows less than a centimetre taller & less than a centimetre wider.

Yet 3000>3200 & 5.5>5.92
[Nexus 6  General] ChazzMatt:
Because I was showing I already knew what you were saying.
[Nexus 6  General] LNJ:
The SD801 is more than an overclocked SD800.

Faster CPU, faster GPU, faster ISP, faster memory interface, DSDA and eMMC 5.0 support!

HTC One M8
[Nexus 6  General] chrisjcks:
Google Nexus 6: Size Comparison - To Other Smartp…: http://youtu.be/-qzLDwLWqqs

1:15 - LG G3 vs Nexus 6

The size isn't much difference, even with the bigger screen & battery etc. :)

I'd say Motorola have done very well with the design.
[Nexus 6  General] ChazzMatt:
It's still the SAME size Snapdragon chipset. My point is there is NO reason to make a 2014 5.2" 1080p Moto X a BIGGER phone than the 2013 5.2" LG G2, when it has LESS hardware inside and much SMALLER BATTERY. To me shows Moto incompetence. IF anything the 2014 Moto X should be SMALLER than the LG G2, not bigger!

These manufacturers should focus on bigger displays, yes -- but also try to make the overall size as small as possible.
[Nexus 6  General] chrisjcks:
The new Moto X has front facing speakers, 4 Microphones & some IR sensors - they take up room.

OEMs also make devices larger & thicker than they have to for design, feel & build quality.
[Nexus 6  General] fkloznica:
^Has one speaker on front ,not speakers..
[Nexus 6  General] chrisjcks:
Edited.

Yes your right, moto X only has Mono speaker.

Its the new Nexus that will have Dual stereo. :)
[Nexus 6  General] biggiestuff:
That front speaker and multiple sensors probably has a little to do with it. While it is bigger it's not that much bigger. Plus the moto is thinner on the edges for better handling. But I agree. I think could have found a way. Perhaps it would have cost more if they compacted it just a bit more.
[Nexus 6  General] tonyreimer:
And my sources...jk
[Nexus 6  General] LNJ:
What do you mean by same size?

I agree that the fall models should no be reusing the 801 from the spring flagships!

Seems like Sony and Motorola didn't get than memo....

805 or better is where they should be headed like Samsung!

HTC One M8
[Nexus 6  General] nigelhealy:
Correct, a proportion who are moaning about the size will buy it due to geek-fest factor but of those a portion will regret it.

Many sold the OnePlusOne as too big, but often profitably due to the difficulty with getting the phone. If Google manufacture sufficient for demand then used phones $ less than new phone so you'd lose out for the experiment.

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https://plus.google.com/events/cjpamit5gv3m0rdsebfsg4tokr0

At 30mins30s in Jerry argues as this will be the last 32bit Nexus phone, it will get the shortest future support.
[Nexus 6  General] Audioboxer:
I can't do a phone much bigger, so if it really is going to be oneplus one sizing or even more, I'll probably opt for an LG G3 or Moto X 2014 next. Or even just hold onto my Nexus 5 for a bit longer.
[Nexus 6  General] SenK9:
I think many will hang on past this generation of Nexus to their 5s or other devices - CPU performance hasn't dramatically improved for everyday use, SD800 devices are still perfectly fine. Being a 32-bit device where Android L is being touted as 64-bit, this Nexus is going to miss out on a few things. 808/810 devices are coming in a few months, might as well wait, esp since L bugs will be ironed out by then.
[Nexus 6  General] falcon26:
I have to ask. For the people that will upgrade from the N5 to the N6, seeing is how it will probably be 6 inches where the heck are you going to keep it? I mean putting it in your jean pocket will not work its too big. So are you just going to walk around holding it all the time? Just curious....
[Nexus 6  General] eAsyy:
I still dont believe it.
[Nexus 6  General] Slicktune:
Exactly it just makes no sense for it to be that big, no sense. .. I'm already convinced is not going to be 5.9 theres just no logic at all...

The device in the pics is the "Moto XL"

And not the nexus, can't you see it doesn't even have the nexus logo on it?
[Nexus 6  General] nigelhealy:
[IMG="geeks handbags"]http://media1.onsugar.com/files/2010/03/13/3/192/1922507/905c6862d0e529e1_Man_Bags_2/i/iPad-Bags-Men.jpg[/IMG]
[Nexus 6  General] Slicktune:
Very inconvenient for the user. .. doesn't make sense, this isn't needn't to be an iPad for god sakes
[Nexus 6  General] nigelhealy:
I agree that if the plan is to cancel the N5 and offer a 6" phone whilst a few will be pleased, the majority will not be happy and a net step backwards, and that is ilogical.

So either:

Google has gone dumbwit. Period.

Or, the 6" is happening sooner than later and a 5" phone is also happening later and as it is later is leaking less. So the plan is 5" and 6". That is logical as it then offers larger to those who want it whilst the consensus sweetspot of 5" also exists.

Then 6" leaks rumors is not true.

I hope the middle option and at 6" launch they also do a $100 price drop.

If you want faster, unlocked supports CM and other ROMs then go OPO. Invites on Craigslists and ebay for $10 so total is $370 for a fast 3GB RAM 64GB storage phone not quite as big as Nexus 6.
[Nexus 6  General] jasonleb1:
I used a Lumia 1520 for some time. It's screen is even bigger at an outright 6 inches and it fit in my jeans pockets just fine. And I wear skinny jeans.
[Nexus 6  General] chrisjcks:
Why wouldn't it fit in your pockets?

Note 3 users don't have any problems.
[Nexus 6  General] falcon26:
LOL a man purse! I actually do think it will be 6 inches. Which is why I will probably opt for the Moto X 2014...
[Nexus 6  General] Slicktune:
Note 3 users are big fat ppl with hefty pockets, with 42 inch waist [emoji60]

Can't no big phone like that fit in my pockets
[Nexus 6  General] nigelhealy:
Have you noticed the prices?

I paid:

Nexus 4 for $392.07 from Play store total delivered, when it was out for a few months, and didn't have any issues, but found it too slow for certain apps and 16GB too little

Nexus 5 from non-tax-charging dealer for $384.99 total, which was fine, but my wife wanted a phone and cheapest way to add was...

OnePlusOne 64GB for $360 total delivered

Observe the Moto X 16GB with a microSD slot is $537.49.

Hence Motorola is more expensive and in some ways inferior specifications.

So a Moto X go-large will cost even more? $500 is already a lot more than the Nexus 5 current street pricing which is $380 recent sale.

All these conversations need placing in context of the

price

.

These stupid prices are less-stupid than Apple, the iphone 6 plus is $981 shipped!
[Nexus 6  General] _MetalHead_:
Agreed. Every last one of them. All fat people.
[Nexus 6  General] monkeypaws:
Earlier nexus models in preproduction didn't have the nexus logo. Android police also backs this statement up when someone said the exact same thing. Every piece of evidence points to nexus.

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For example the nexus 5 pre production leak didn't have nexus on the back.
[Nexus 6  General] falcon26:
I know when I tried to put a Note 3 in my jean pocket it would not fit, it went in but it stuck out quite a bit. And that is only 5.5 inches. On the price side with these rumored specs I can't see the Nexus 6 going for less than $450 at least...
[Nexus 6  General] monkeypaws:
My wife's note 2 fits in my back pocket but as you said it does stick out
[Nexus 6  General] feedtheducks:
I wear skinny jeans too! But I'm fat, so I can't squeeze my phone into any of the pockets.
[Nexus 6  General] Dr Faustus:
Not everyone wears skinny jeans, man.
[Nexus 6  General] :
[If] I upgrade, it would be going in my man-bag lol ;) everything except my bed goes in my man-bag.
[Nexus 6  General] AntonyStark:
Its all lies, due to Band issues I had a Galaxy Nexus and Xperia Z side by side in my Jean pocket and I'm a 30 waist. Was probably doing more harm to my fertility than my pocket!
[Nexus 6  General] lexusisf:
it's a Nexus phone after all. I suspect it will be $400 for the 32GB version