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[Nexus 6  General] nigelhealy:
In this family we have roughly half prefer Android half prefer Apple. This seems to trace back to whichever they bought first - i.e. inertia. We have one who got Apple first and is sticking to it, I try to probe why and it is one app - Facetime - and that their friends use Facetime - and they just got used IOS way and have to re-learn for Android. One converted to Android for the fact you get a lot more hardware for a lot less money.

However the general trend is towards Android because it can do more which is due to the developer community and unlocked rooted techniques which work reliably. Example is the Dolphin Browser and a hacked Flash Player for those sites which are still flash. One Apple fan here has to use Android to watch Downton Abbey on ITV Player.

Also observing the size of phone and size of tablets. I switched this last week from a Nexus 7 to a Gpad 8.3, and reason is if one or both hands are being tied up might as well use the hand fully and I can hold a 8.3. in one hand easily and so get a bigger 8.3" screen for the same restrictions on my digits as a 7", I took the Newegg offer. I paired with a $30 Sandisk microSDXC 64GB to make a 80GB total tablet for $250 delivered. The 4:3 ratio doesn't make sense in the mini tablet size due to watching videos 33% of the screen is not used vs 16:10 screen 11% of the screen is not used. I did some maths on the imminent HTC Nexus 9 and it is only giving 3% more actual screen when watching 16:9 videos, and we expect the Nexus 9 to sell for $500+
[Nexus 6  General] _MetalHead_:
It's MUCH better in tablet form. Great gestures, super intuitive interface, and that Dell tablet is super smooth and quick for what it is. Plus, the battery life is phenomenal. For the price, it's worth it even just for tinkering. I used to be a die hard windows fan, and then became an OSX fan when I got a MacBook Pro, but then I got a Surface Pro for work and fell in back in love with Windows. Bought the Dell on a whim and man am I glad I did. Coolest tablet ever.

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Yeah, the iPad was my first tablet but I don't think that's why I prefer it. I've had numerous Android tablets too, but I feel that iOS just works better for me when it comes to tablets. I don't need any widgets, and I don't like tinkering with tablets the way I do phones, so Android I think is too complex for me in that regard. And the biggest thing for me is all the apps and games that are available for the iPad. I'm a huge mobile gamer, and iOS has a FAR better selection of quality games than Android does. So don't get me wrong, I absolutely love my N7 and have my eyes set on either the new Nexus tab or the Nvidia Shield tab, but the iPad will likely always be my go to tablet.
[Nexus 6  General] jason56d:
I know we are going off topic again, I apologise, but had to mention this on the solely Apple users (used to be one myself) view of Android!

Went to have my hair cut this morning at my barbers run by 2 Italian men. (Who else?) Was chatting about phones to my barber (same age as me) who has a baby blue iPhone 5c. Showed him my N5.

He liked the phone, but when I said it was Android he handed it straight back like it was a test tube of the Ebola virus or something! "I could never use Android, its too buggy and crashes all the time!" Lol! He has never owned an Android device, ever.

Then in the next sentence told me he had to get his 5c replaced last week as it become unresponsive and he couldn't restore it in iTunes! Haha! Some people need to be better educated in their options.....
[Nexus 6  General] _MetalHead_:
LOL. Android is FAR less buggy and more stable than iOS. I've only ever had one force close on my Moto X in a year (xda app, of course), and my N5 is every bit as smooth as my iPhone 5s was, not to mention it's faster. Every iPhone I've owned (4, 4s, 5, 5s) had apps crash on me ALL THE DAMN TIME. Like multiple times a day, every day. The difference between iOS and Android is that when an app crashes on iOS there's no toast notification so people don't realize what's actually happening. I remember reading an article earlier this year where they actually took hard numbers and compared app crashes between the two OSes and found Android to be a ton more stable. No surprise there. The typical iOS user just has no experience with Android in its current form and has no clue what they are talking about.
[Nexus 6  General] Bei60:
All I wanted from the new nexus was the newest hardward, the final version of Android L, better camera and bigger battery. Why would ANYONE in their right mind, spoil the next Nexus with this huge screen? WHY? I've waited so long for the perfect phone and the N5 was so close...
[Nexus 6  General] a.vandelay:
so it seems like nexus 6 will maybe be the motorolo 6" phablet and not feature 64bit inside, and maybe the htc nexus 8/9 will feature the nvidia k1 denver? otherwise the samsung s6 will likely be the first 64bit (high performance) android phone?

the nexus 5 has aged very well. it's unlikely i'll update to anything non-64bit.
[Nexus 6  General] AntonyStark:
So people want to buy a phone Google may be subsidising, but don't want it to be the size Google want it to be???!! Then don't get one.

Entitlement issues.
[Nexus 6  General] wazka2:
If its true, I will defo buy it!

Makes sense to use 64bit processor when introducing support for it in the new os.
[Nexus 6  General] Stigga:
Would be pretty low PPI considering the state of phones
[Nexus 6  General] nigelhealy:
Yes the 810 is 64bit but my understanding is it not available in volume til early 2015. That would be consistent with lack of consistent or credible evidence for an imminent launch.

Also 810 will come at a cost.

The 808 is lower cost than 810 and intended for phones and 810 intended for tablets due to it being able to drive 4k displays better and who wants the battery drain of 4k screens in a phone.
[Nexus 6  General] nigelhealy:
My understanding is the 810 is due in volume slightly before 808 and is for tablets and would be paired with a many pixels screen 4k at 16:9 and say 400ppi means 10" by 5.6" or 11.5" diagonal and be tied to frequent power or be heavy. 808 is slightly later and intended for phones driving fewer pixels and lower total power.

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Yep just looked up again what I was guessing from memory. We are only now in September seeing samples sent out of 810 as demo units proof of concept. Production volume is months off.

Also whilst price is not public any handset with 810 will have hefty price tag so anyone here expecting cheap Nexus phone soon to be launched is basically calling Qualcomm liars.

There is more evidence of tablets first then phones. From what I see I'd not expect Nexus phone for months.
[Nexus 6  General] momsi:
IPS + Active display.... I don't think so.

Well... Google has already proven that they have some very clever minds in their marketing department. The N5 strategy was definitely leaking stuff to provoke rumors.

This time we expect precise rumors, because we're used to it. So Google workes normal and loose with its 6 inch huge shamu.... Maybe a comple hoax, or a new size of super phablets.... Whatever.

But maybe Google wants us to argue about all that... No 64 bit, too huge, and all that... And then bam, they'll release a super awesome 5-5.5 inch phone and everyone is like "duhh", positively surprised ..... Maybe that's all strategy....

But we'll see.

As for the size... Well... I honestly have to say (though I've been rooting and flashing ever since I use android) before I had the Nexus 5 I had a S3 mini... Then unboxing my N5 I thought "damn, that's large.... Hopefully that's cool with my relatively thick but short fingers."

But it was cool.... One of the best phones I know.

Then I had the opportunity to switch to the oneplus one.... And as that came I thought "holy Jesus.... That thing is huge....that'll never work"

And right now I'm very happy.

So I adapted and yes, I'm always happy with bigger sizes (that's what she said ;) )....

But somewhere I guess the trend to bigger phones has to reach some kind of saturation.... Otherwise we'll really walk around with 24" "phones" somewhen.... :D

I personally think the physical size of the oneplus one is my limit. But I'd have nothing to complain with a bigger screen and less bezel in the same physical size.

One more thing, some people say nexus is a dev phone.. Well. I partly agree, and I guess Google still brings top notch hardware paired with latest android and easily unlockable bootloader for a small price. Google won't forget that in nexus 6

But look how the Nexus 5 was marketed.... "capture the moment" and stuff... Large availability at retail stores.... Definitely aming at the normal user too ... And why not, the Nexus line is great, so why not try to sell as much as possible of them?
[Nexus 6  General] jason56d:
That's what we have been discussing in this thread, we won't.
[Nexus 6  General] nomancoolboy:
I hope i get the powers like Mr. fantastic to use such huge devices..

They should have a limit of phone's over all size not just the screen size....

Moto x 2013 was perfect (for its size ) anything bigger than that is just uncomfortable to use .. Even nexus 5 is not good enough for single handed use (atleast for me )
[Nexus 6  General] 7TimesCursed:
Its gonna take something significantly better than the Nexus 5 to get me on board. I recently got my cracked n5 replaced and I got a refurbished phone that seems to be from a late batch. No rattles or light bleed at all. With that being said, I suspect this phone will get a huge second wind once official Android L hits, and will probably keep up with the n6 for the following year performance wise.
[Nexus 6  General] thesebastian:
I won't buy a Nexus with 6".... Wanna still use only one f***ng hand to use the phone. (Nexus 5 without TPU and 69,2 cm of width is my limit).

BUT.....

if they put ARMv8...and 20nm SoC just like Snapdragon 810....

I will not be able to resist !!!!!!!
[Nexus 6  General] Mindfield21:
In these fresh pictures if you use guy's fingers for scale, you can tell that it will not be a 6 inch phone.

http://www.redmondpie.com/google-motorola-made-nexus-6-x-leaked-in-new-set-of-photos/
[Nexus 6  General] Sentrix27:
I have smaller hands and I'd still buy a 5.9" Nexus.

Got used to my G3 quickly, and have used a iP6 Plus demo and it didn't bother me.
[Nexus 6  General] vincentallen2:
But how could you possibly know how big someone's fingers/hands are? Some people have really big fingers and huge hands, and then there are others with thinner fingers and smaller hands.
[Nexus 6  General] Mindfield21:
I have really big hands and I can tell that when I am holding my N5 the space between my top finger and the top of the device is close to what I see at the photo. On the other hand when I hold my 5.5 inch note 2 this space is much bigger. Imagine when we talk about a 5.9 screen.
[Nexus 6  General] setspeed:
I've been using my N5 with the Dalvik runtime for the last year - mainly for Xposed, but also partly to give myself somewhere to go when I become unhappy with the performance of the phone, which hasn't happened yet anyway.

If this N6/NX truly is a 5.9" device then that counts me out of buying it, and I'll happily keep my N5, since there still isn't any other phone I'd rather have (except maybe a Moto X 2014, for the hands-free stuff, but they messed that up by putting a small battery in it).

Android L and ART (when rovo89 updates Xposed) will see me through the end of 2014 and into 2015.
[Nexus 6  General] freesoul27:
Nexus 4 and Nexus 5 passed the FCC at the beginning of September (and were announced at the end of October). This year, September is almost over, and there is no phone that passed FCC and can be considered as Nexus X, Strange.
[Nexus 6  General] Ltdrev:
As for the FCC test I found that piece of info on this indian site (reliability unknown): http://gadgets.ndtv.com/mobiles/new...in-india-moto-x1-gets-pictured-reports-585081

Here's what they had to say in brief: ...ahead of the expected official launch on September 4. Last week, the device had reportedly passed US FCC certification for AT&T and T-Mobile wireless carriers... I just wonders where the hell they got that and if theres any truth in this... (its quite old info)

On gsm Arena they have posted this questionable specsheet:

http://www.gsmarena.com/motorola_nexus_6-6604.php

Hope they have it right as for the screen real estate 6" is way to big for my hipsters pants pockets...
[Nexus 6  General] freesoul27:
They talking about Moto X+1 not Nexus X
[Nexus 6  General] Ltdrev:
Ahhh! thx man, sorry for my mistake Im unfamiliar with moto I was kinda convinced it was about the N'X
[Nexus 6  General] gamer.11:
Get me one of those old age VGA camera phones. A N5 with L preview running on it and with the little knowledge i can change the device name in the about screen myself! and Viola! "the new Nexus 'leaked' images"
[Nexus 6  General] pnut22r:
It's funny, I tend to "try" every current flagship phone on the market, and I keep coming back to the N5. For whatever reason, most phone's are not much of an upgrade, especially for the price difference. My buddy just paid $500+ for the new Moto X. And while I'd love to have one, I can't justify the price difference for spec comparison. Each device has it's stand out feature, but the n5 is an overall solid device. It has some drawbacks, but for a 1 year old, spec wise, it's not out of date. If you're not too far from a charger always, it's fine. And the camera is better than most people say, imo.

I will likely not upgrade if it's a phablet. And I'm okay with that, for now.
[Nexus 6  General] hutzdani:
after mulling over its size, I'd go with it if the price is sub £400.

If you can't get a Nexus phone for under £400 in 2014, ill just go and get a new Moto X
[Nexus 6  General] HUNTERANGEL121:
You know what. That deal seems nice lol. How mint of a N5 are you looking for lol?

Mine doesn't have any scratches and have a glass screen protector on it right now lol.
[Nexus 6  General] Stigga:
Interesting
[Nexus 6  General] dwang:
For the sake of argument lets say google does come out with an updated nexus 5 in addition to the phablet nexus 6.

We pretty much know that the next nexus will be made by motorola and it will probably be based on the moto x 2014. If we compare the current nexus 5 specs to the new moto x, we can see that it going to be a minor upgrade to the current nexus 5 at best. The biggest complaints about the nexus 5 are battery life and camera which the moto x doesn't fix at all.

The moto x camera isn't much better than the nexus 5 nor is the battery. I suppose we can hope google upgrades these two features, but based on past history, that probably won't happen.

If the new nexus 5 does come out and it is based on the moto x, there would be no reason for any current nexus 5 user to upgrade.

I for one will be looking forward to the nexus 6 phablet and I hope the huge 3200 mah battery is accurate.
[Nexus 6  General] nigelhealy:
Thanks - also the most logical choice if a new Nexus phone is imminent is just a tweak of the current design due to 810 being expensive and not in volume shipment now hence of the many leaks, this one is more believable

http://www.gsmarena.com/nexus_6_flaunts_snapdragon_805_on_antutu-news-9327.php

So tweak up the screen res a bit, the cpu a bit, the memory a bit, the camera a bit. Drop the useless stupid small 16GB memory model as Nexus don't have SD slots (16GB + SD slot is cheapest way to get lots of storage) so either just 32GB, or offer 32GB and 64GB models. Whilst no one needs the 5.2" as current 4.95" is big enough, it is a "free byproduct" of also tweaking up the battery a bit, that 0.3" taller allows a 50% bigger battery, combined with Android L you might see 50%-80% more battery life. Also a free byproduct of slightly bigger is a heatsink can spread wider to reduce thermal throttling for a big more speed.

The one after it uses 808, or its successor next year.

Given the polls, the tweaked N5 which is only a fraction bigger will sell 2:1 at least more than a 6" model.

Another option is both are happening, a N5 5.2" available from Nov 1 and and a N6 6" available from (made up....say...) Feb 2015. The N5 5.2" has no reason to cost any more than the current model, but if they attempted to sell a 808 6" I can see it being a lot more, $100 more at least hence N5 2014 shipping Nov 1st.

Hence here is my guess based on logic and technical knowledge not based on rumors:

Oct 30st announcement

Nexus 5 2014 edition

N5 2014 edition is 5.2", Snapdragon 805 (not 64bit), Andoid L, 3GB memory, 1440x2560 16:9 screen, 2800mah battery

N5 2014 32GB $349, 64GB $399

Nexus 6, shipping Feb 1st (guess)

Nexus 6 808, 64bit, Android L, 1440x2560, 3GB

Nexus 6 32GB $400, Nexus 6 64GB $450

New Nexus 9 tablet, Snapdragon 810, 64GB, shipping Dec 1st, $500

I'm just looking at what hardware dates and costs exist, not basing on rumors, and if I worked for Google that is what I'd do based on what I observe of what sells.
[Nexus 6  General] _MetalHead_:
The fact that it's made by Motorola is reason enough for me to upgrade. Their design and build quality is always top-notch, and their radios are bulletproof. Those are my biggest complaints about the N5.
[Nexus 6  General] dwang:
So what you're saying here is motorola is going to come with out another 5.2 inch device that has significantly better specs than their moto x 2014 that they just released?

That makes no sense at all.

So motorola is going to release their flagship moto x with gimped specs and a month later a nexus 5 comes out with way better specs?

If motorola is coming out with another device so soon, why wouldn't they have just released the moto x with these specs? Its completely illogical. There is no way a new nexus 5 will have the specs you've stated.
[Nexus 6  General] nigelhealy:
You're making a different point and neither of us is wrong. I posted that if a phone is imminent then it makes more sense for an upgrade N5.

It's the probability of one being released is then a separate point.

I've just pointed to the evidence that a 64bit phone to announced in October doesn't make technical commercial sense as the electronics inside is not available yet and if you tried it would be expensive.

Other points made of a tweaked N5 2014 is too small an upgrade for any to swap is also true but a totally different point.

Everything has its day, and 64bit Android L's phone day is in early Q2 2015 and 64bit Android L' tablet day is a bit nearer. Whether either is released is separate point. There is so little consistent data I don't see any real evidence a phone is being released any time soon. Your point is one argument "why bother" I've added that the real performance gain at a reasonable cost is 2015. Combine it all together and there is no Nexus phone coming out soon.
[Nexus 6  General] dwang:
Ok i agree with you that I don't see a new nexus 5 coming out. But I think a nexus 6 phablet coming out in the fall is likely.

The nexus 6 will be new phone in the phablet category so there will be nothing to compare it to in terms of upgrade from the previous model.
[Nexus 6  General] nigelhealy:
Two separate issues:

probability of what when

if a phone was released soon what it would be

I'm pointing out that 2014 is not when a 64bit 810 phone can occur, it doesn't align with Qualcommn's publicly stated timeline material, specifications, intent. It would involve a change of public material. i.e. a Shamu 6" can be a prototype proof-of-concept, to field test feedback prior to tweaking for a 2015 launch, but it can't be a mass produced cost-effective 2014 shipping phone. i.e. Nexus 6 810 soon is BS. Other options and their probabilities can be discussed.

Personally, if a reasonably priced N5 size was released I'd be very interested. I'm more interested in the lower battery drain for a given load, which can still burst upto more performance, from 808 which is a Q2 2015 window.

Performance in tablets.

Battery life in phones.

Is what Google should and need focus on.

So 810 9" tablet sooner.

808 5" phone later.

Those then get reference mass volume 64bit architectures into owners hands, they then pull developers to port to 64bit Android L, which then breaks 4GB for the higher-end 2016+ timeframe as it takes upto a 2016 to push through an architecture change across all apps particular "enterprise" ones.

As an owner of a OnePlusOne, I cannot find any need for more performance from it, it is blistering fast on 805 and 3GB memory. The issue it has is it too big. Poll agree with me. So its with Google, do they release a tweak to hold market share or skip it as not worth bothering and the big phone event is 2015. If I were Google I'd release a tweak, but really Google I/O's consciousnesses was at wearables, cars, Android L, not phones+tablet hardware, there's no sign of appetite for releasing a tweaked phone, on the other hand a tweaked phone is easy, as you say, take parts of the Moto X 2014 and tweak, although personally I'd for a tweak just take the N5 and tweak it as easily done.
[Nexus 6  General] _MetalHead_:
The OnePlus One has an 801, not an 805. And yeah, WAY too big. I couldn't even fit mine in my pocket, which is just ridiculous. I can understand women buying phablets because they can just toss them in their purses, but where the heck am I supposed to put mine? That's the only reason why I sold my OPO, pretty much everything else about it was great (though I wasn't a fan of the design), and it was definitely blazing fast, but it just wasn't practical. I honestly think 4.7" is the absolute perfect screen size, though I am comfortable with the N5's screen.
[Nexus 6  General] nigelhealy:
I stand corrected sorry

Mine also doesn't fit on my bike handlebars and no wireless charging.

Well judging by the forums you either must stay at home the whole time on your phone typing 1000 times a day you love you phone wearing your baggy trousers, or....

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Now - I actually having gone through N4, N5, N7, Gpad, have two levels. I'm just out just me, minimalist, phone, my pockets. That then a NExus 4 is the perfect size, N5 is tolerated, OPO doesn't fit. If I sit down it tend to fall out or I can't sit down and its out on the table. Or I'm out for a longer time and I'm carrying stuff like water, food, clothing, etc and then its a tablet as basically a tablet is much much better than a phone. I can do two things at once and the tablet is draining its 4000+ mah battery and my phone isn't draining quick.

I've already decided after I tried to adapt to the OPO I want rid, it is just what do I do. I've posted here I want to swap a N5 and PM'd someone waiting a reply.

Separate point is there is a niche for large phones. That is accepted. But it is still a niche. Polls prove it.
[Nexus 6  General] _MetalHead_:
That's what I did- sold my OPO, making $100 profit, and bought a new N5 (got rid of my original N5 about 6 months ago). Couldn't be happier with my decision.
[Nexus 6  General] nigelhealy:
Well done, the cheapest new 32GB N5 has been $375 .... so you must have sold your OPO for $500-ish? Well I could have but dithered waiting for myself to adapt to the OPO's size which never happened. My bad.... My current plan is for used N5 to drop.
[Nexus 6  General] _MetalHead_:
I sold it for $460. Exactly $100 more than I paid for it. Had it up on Craigslist for 2 hours before it was sold.
[Nexus 6  General] MohamedHusseinMohamed:
better camera and bigger battery

i wanna bigger screen and better camera :silly:
[Nexus 6  General] doctor_droid:
And ofcourse bigger pockets
[Nexus 6  General] Dr. Krieger:
I don't like it too, but a 6" phablet coming out within a month and packed with 2K screen and Snap 805 SoC is definitely happening.