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[Galaxy Note 3 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] lvnatic:
What I mostly wanted to know is if the snap dragon 801 is significantly better then the 800. I don't really care for the camera differences, although I must say that indoor photos are pretty bad, I had better expectations.

But the biggest disappointment so far is the Knox trigger. Coming from nexus devices, I am used rooting my phones as soon as I unbox them. I can't live without adaway, xposed framework or greenify, especially on mobile phones. I still haven't made up my mind yet, but I will probably return this phone and end up getting an HTC one m8 (still hasn't arrived in any of the stores here in Romania, so I will wait until it does and compare it side by side with the note).

[MENTION=219163]Lancelot[/MENTION] strictly from a performance point of view, and in my opinion, I will say that the s5 really isn't worth the extra money. In real life usage, that small improvement in cpu power will be negligible, they will probably perform the same even 2 years from now. The fact that the note 3 has 1 more GB of ram is a big advantage, I still think that one of the biggest bottlenecks on Android devices is the small amount of ram. My nexus 10 has 2 gb of ram and I frequently need to open the recents menu to manually close apps. The note 3 is just perfect.
[Galaxy Note 3 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] LancelotSA:
Lvnatic, may I ask if you have used the S5 at all? I always appreciate unbiased feedback from this with actual experience of a device.

As already mentioned I'll certainly factor in price once the S5 is released but it currently seems like it'll cost me the sane per month here in SA as I would pay for the Note 3. Prices usually change every month so I'll see what happens to the Note 3 price tomorrow.

If they are the same price then my decision needs to be based on spec... and obviously just a little on the perception of what is newer... :)

Does a lack of RAM really create a bottleneck affecting overall usage or does it just affect multi tasking?
[Galaxy Note 3 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] lvnatic:
Like I said, I am on power saving mode 100% of the time, which reduces the cpu frequency and this phone is incredibly snappy. I never close any app, I just press the home button and go to the next one. Games like asphalt 8 or real racing 3, on max settings, run very very well, I'd be surprised if not at 60fps. And the whole ui feels like it's running at 60 fps, everything is very smooth. The phone currently has 68 hours of uptime and there doesn't seem to be any slowdown at all. The s5 may have a slightly better cpu but I really doubt you will notice any difference in day to day usage.

So, at the end of the day, they both probably perform the same, but the note 3 has a bigger screen and the pen (which trust me, when you have sweaty or dirty hands, is a blessing).

So it's up to you, if you want a better camera and water resistance pick the s5, if you want a bigger screen, the pen and significantly better multitasking, pick the note 3.
[Galaxy Note 3 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] antique_sonic:
Price for samsung device most of them in singapore is predictable, for S series, Note series, Note tablet series.

S series and note series always come out at the price SGD 999 or SGD 1049.

As for the tablet series for note always on the range 1049 to 1199.

No matter what spec inside.

Difference only on the dropping after few months.

S series will drop further in just few months compare to note series.

If s series drop to sgd 849, note series will stand still at 949.

And yes lack of RAM really pain in the azz. Especially when we are doin something urgent. :)

Sent from N9005 NC2 ROM.
[Galaxy Note 3 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] LancelotSA:
And then there is this : http://www.droid-life.com/2014/03/3...urate-and-best-performing-screen-ever-tested/

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And this.... http://bgr.com/2014/03/31/galaxy-s5-battery-life-tests-results/

But I know, these things don't matter in the real world, only screen size and the S-Pen do.... :D
[Galaxy Note 3 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] lvnatic:
It's just my opinion, I didn't hold the s5 in hand so you may be right. I was just saying about "on paper specs".
[Galaxy Note 3 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] dr.m0x:
I never said it was superior. I said there are pros and cons to each and for me it weighs in favour of the Note. I though that was the purpose of the thread, to compare the two devices?

At the end of the day they are both just phones and will both be old tech in two years time. If you buy a Note 3 there will still be a hint of doubt that you should have gone s5. If you go s5 you'll wonder if the Note 3 hadn't been the better choice. Sit on the fence too long and there will be another device which outshines both.

Best option would be to stop jumping up and down and just choose one or the other based on which form factor you think will suit you best. The difference in spec is so small that it will have no noticeable effect on daily usage in and of itself.
[Galaxy Note 3 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] LancelotSA:
I notice the relative silence when clearly superior facets of the S5 are shared... suddenly they are both just phones whereas earlier when I pointed out factors in favour of the S5 I was "attacked".

And please don't tell me how to choose a phone. You have your jump in blind way and I have my well researched way. Each to their own.

At least I am now getting the concession that they are both equally good with negligible differences. The earlier feeling that was being expressed was that the Note 3 was superior. Even though this is still not conceding enough.... a superior screen and battery life, for example, most certainly have a noticeable effect in day to day usage.
[Galaxy Note 3 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] dr.m0x:
I should have put you on ignore the first time after I realised you don't actually want to hear anyone else's opinion. Everything is a personal attack to you and you're just grasping at any excuse to argue with someone. I.e. You are trolling.
[Galaxy Note 3 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] ShadowLea:
Did your research not extend beyond the theoretical praise? It's not even out yet, you muppet. Release date is 11 april. (Hm, I have a Samsung launch meeting 11th april... I wonder..)

That's what I've been doing for a whole page now. This bloke is clearly not seriously considering the Note 3, he's just plain trolling. We should probably direct him to the Apple boards, he'd fit right in.
[Galaxy Note 3 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] dr.m0x:
Whoops ninja edit.
[Galaxy Note 3 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] ShadowLea:
? :confused:
[Galaxy Note 3 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] lvnatic:
I tried the HTC one m8 today, I didn't like it :)

The screen was smaller and it felt like a huge, heavy brick. Yes, it has excelent build quality but it adds a lot of weight. Even if the note is bigger, it feels like a lighter, thinner phone.

But I can't root this phone! :( decisions decisions...

Is there any slight possibility for a safe way to root on kitkat for this device, in the future?

Also, do you guys think the note will get the new TouchWiz UI from the s5?
[Galaxy Note 3 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] RequiemDK:
Whatever arguments one has for the Note 3 over the S5, the one gargantuan improvement the S5 has over the Note 3 is its slow motion recording. It actually looks like true 720p 1/8x recording instead of recording at some absurdly low resolution then upscaling and interpolating frames. Source? Been playing with one for about an hour. The camera does not sound like a great improvement on paper, but in the real world, it feels and works better. The 2 gb of ram does not appear to cripple the S5 even when loading up a bunch of apps when I did.

Most improvements are evolutionary, some are hilarious like how the settings menu is back to the S3's one-page, one-long-column style and some of the flat icons look... weird, but there's no denying that, stock to stock, the S5 is just a touch smoother and cleaner-looking. That's not worth changing from a Note 3 to an S5 (I don't consider that an upgrade at all), but that, and the improved camera, may be enough to sway someone over to the S5 if he has no use for the S Pen.
[Galaxy Note 3 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] LancelotSA:
Muppet, there are many people on a number of forums (this one included but I suspect you don't get out of the Note 3 sub forum much...) that have already shared experiences of hands on with the S5 in stores. The device has also already been released by a number of SPs in the East. There is a world outside of your house...

The question was also specifically asked because people are expressing opinions on the phone as if they have handled it. Lvnatic, for example, specifically referred to real life usage hence my question.

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Thanks for this. I've been looking for confirmation of "slow motion" video recording. It's not mentioned in the official specs and most reviews have guessed it would exist. Glad to hear it has been implemented well.

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Or if they are looking to upgrade from something before the Note 3 and are deciding between the two.
[Galaxy Note 3 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] ShadowLea:
Fiddling with it in the stores for a minute or two is not 'hands on experience'. Store devices are devoid of most heavy apps people use. There is no music player running in the background while you're watching a video and chatting on whatsapp as your network signal changes constantly and the gps has to keep up with a changing position whilst updating 8 widgets, a battery monitor and running the media scanner. There is no MicroSD in a Store device, no personal data. The Mediascanner bug can't exist that way.

And just because I feel like dropping down to your level for a minute, you have no idea who I am or what I do. You have no idea what information I have access to or what connections I might have. You are not knowledgeable on how many kilometres a week I travel, but in case anyone cares to know, the Berlin-London-Amsterdam triangle is quite a lot bigger than 'my house'. Do not make assumptions.

Except that you're not looking to decide between the two. You made up your mind long ago, whether you intend to admit to it or not. All you're doing here is playing the pompous arse who enjoys trolling a thread.

If you didn't want to hear or believe positive things about the Note 3, don't come to the Note 3 board. Use the dedicated 'What Should I Buy' thread in General.
[Galaxy Note 3 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] dr.m0x:
Close this thread already. It's gone to hell in a hand basket.
[Galaxy Note 3 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Journyman16:
It depends why you want the phone. I came from an S3 - I chose against the S4 because I didn't think the upgrade was worth the money. I still think the same about the S5/S3 comparison. The S3 was the Apple-killer and the changes to S4/S5 just aren't the same level of improvement as the S2/S3 jump.

My Note3 was rooted, and once I broke Knox somehow (I'd rebuilt and simply did exactly what i had done the week before and suddenly Knox = 0x1) I got to install a custom recovery (Philz of course :D) and I'm on Lean kernel. For a ROM I have Alliance ROM which is still 4.3. I can't see the point of jumping into the KK paddock while my N3 is performing like it is.

The N3 as above is extremely fast, it is rock solid for stability and I'm getting excellent battery life - I'm probably not the heaviest user around and the minimum I ahve had so far is a bit over 50 hours. Mostly I recharge after 3 days when I am down to about 30% - it wasn't that good before Lean kernel and I run Greenify and the DU package for speed and battery.

Another + for the N3 is the USB3 port. I know the S5 has one but it has a flap over it. I can't help wondering just how long the flap will last - or the other covers for the holes in the case. Personally I'm not planning on dropping my phone in water so the inconvenience of constantly making sure flaps are closed and having to fiddle with them to plug stuff in is, to me, just not worth it.

I wouldn't worry too much about speed of web pages - that's less to do with the phone and more to do with connection, and as mentioned, the spare RAM you have available. I use Dolphin Jetpack anyway so I don't really notice delays in loading pages.

I use the pen fairly often and it's just a pleasure to use. The handwriting recognition is excellent as are the various things you can use the pen for. (selecting, tagging, drawing, linking etc.) I have a nice real leather cover for my N3 so I can't comment about the use/uselessness of a clear view cover (& I think you can get them for the N3 anyway) - but I'm not a fan of exposing the screen to possible knocks and breakage. AMOLED screens are part of the glass so break it and you're up for half the price of a new phone - seems silly to risk that just so you don't have to flip open a cover.

If you know someone with an S5, get them to run Antutu benchmark app and see what they score. I got 34,500 on rooted stock and 35,600 on my Alliance/Philz/Lean combo. So far I haven't seen anything faster on there than a Note 3 score.

The N3 is a considerable size jump on the S3/S4 but I noticed it for maybe a couple of days; now, those phones are just small. The full HD screen on the N3 is gorgeous - I keep a HD version of the Avatar trailer on it to show it off and it gobsmacks people.

I'd recommend the N3 unless you have a size issue or you simply don't like a larger phone. On that, wait till you see the one-hand operation - very cool.
[Galaxy Note 3 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] ShadowLea:
I laugh at the people complaining about the size and not being able to use it with one hand... I'm a woman, and I can use it with one hand. Without the One Handed mode. (Glove size 6, so quite small hands.)
[Galaxy Note 3 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Journyman16:
*grins* Yeah... I know. I use Nova instead of TW and with my settings the onehand stuff doesn't work - never missed it and I prefer holding the phone in one hand and typing with the other - it feels much safer and I like my N3 too much to risk throwing it across the room with a sudden thumb swipe. :D
[Galaxy Note 3 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] ShadowLea:
Luckily mine can handle being thrown about a bit.. :D (Cheers Otterbox!)

Most of the time I'm holding a camera, cup of tea, bag, wallet or other misc item, and so I've gotten quite handy at juggling my phone with one hand :p
[Galaxy Note 3 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] CharlesSmith8591:
I like the bigger screen on the phone. Gives much more space
[Galaxy Note 3 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] lvnatic:
Bump? :D:D
[Galaxy Note 3 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] CharlesSmith8591:
For same price I go with the note 3. The screen size makes a whole lot of difference. Camera wise there's really just subtle differences now	bwtweeneach model
[Galaxy Note 3 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] antique_sonic:
Safe root for kk in the future nobody knows. Perhaps by that time, a lot new phones come up alrd. :)

As for tw ui s5, might be, when s5 hit its sales target. :p not so soon mate.

Sent from N7105, powered by DittoNote3 v.3.2 with AGNi PSN purestock v3.9.3 OC
[Galaxy Note 3 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] BobbyHenceMcGee:
Same here, cost me $555 for a Note 3 here in Australia (coming from stock in Hong Kong but still) to get an Xperia Z2 it's $889 and for the S5 it's $899. All prices from Hong Kong stock.

Absolutely ridiculous considering the hardware on the S5 is worse than that on the Note 3. What the hell are they thinking, honestly.
[Galaxy Note 3 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Sammath:
The hardware ain't exactly worse. The soc that will be in the s5 is a little bit better (very little!), same for the camera.

Anyways, to answer your question. If you want a real multimedia powerhouse that has features miles ahead of the competition(imo). Get the note 3 tbh. Spec wise it wont be much of a difference. The big screen and the spen is what makes people buy the note series. It is a great phone.

Having owned a galaxy s1, note 2, s4 and now a note 3. I will never go back to a s serie of Samsung.

In terms of pricing and bang for your buck go note 3 as well. Seriously, asking 700 euros for a phone(s5) like that is just plain bonkers.

As for the tw ui form the s5 to come to the note 3. Of course it will come. It doesn't really have anything to do with sales or anything. They will update it eventually.

Sent from my SM-N9005 beast of a phone.
[Galaxy Note 3 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] ShadowLea:
So I had a fiddle with the S5 at Samsung today.

Put my Note 3 next to it to run some side-by-side comparisons. Guess which one loads, scrolls ans switches faster.

I'll give you a hint: it wasn't the one with a security tag.

There are not enough apps installed on a factory version to fill the 2GB. Just in case we get the 'it was fast in the store so you don't need 3GB' argument again.

They wouldn't let me run a benchmark on it, though. But it would be pointless on a pure clean device anyway as a comparison to a personal device in use every day.

I can't see a single inprovement, wasn't impressed by the camera. (they wouldn't let me share those, either.)

So it all comes down to what size screen you want and if you care about the Spen.

And the price. I'm a true believer of SIMonly, phones on a contract are always more expensive and people are constantly complaining they can't afford 60quid a month after half a year.

It's new so you pay more.

That is also why the Note 3 Neo (or 'sad little wannabe') is more expensive that its big brother. (which is hilarious)

Plus the people buying it are mainly the common cattle who don't want a Note (or don't even know it exists) and rarely care about specs, so they'll pay anyway.

It's always been that way. You pay more for the newest Hyundai i10 than you do for a secondhand Subaru Impreza.
[Galaxy Note 3 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] LiMz:
Thanks for comparison, silly that they wont let you run benchmark / take sample photos.

Are you running custom ROM?

I agree that 2GB wont be enough, I run my phone with greenify and minimal apps running and theres always more than 2GB used.

--

"Skate where the puck’s going, not where it’s been.”

- Wayne Gretzsky
[Galaxy Note 3 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] ewok666:
What really gets me is that they're making another flagship with 16GB where they then fill half of that with os and junk. 2GB of RAM is another slap on the face.

I only bought my Note 2 weeks ago after it became clear that I wasn't going to get a 32GB phone that was either a S5 or Z2.

And it's not like the new flagships are much smaller than the Note these days.
[Galaxy Note 3 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] RequiemDK:
Side by side comparison of a photo taken at default settings with the stock camera app on the Note 3 and S5, then zoomed in to the maximum possible level.

http: //imgur.com/ yUa7tjN (I cannot post links yet. Remove the spaces...)

Photo taken by my Galaxy Gear.

For what it's worth, my Note 3 may be extensively optimized (at least to the extent that an unrooted device can be), but a stock S5 is still more fluid, and the camera on the S5 is not "a little better" than the Note 3's. The difference can be quite significant even in good lighting conditions, and only gets bigger when it gets darker. As for the screen quality, I love my Note 3, but you can see for yourself in the above photo - both devices had auto-brightness turned off and brightness cranked up to the maximum, on Adapt display mode. This comparison was not made with an S5 in a store (although that picture was taken in one), but with an actual unit straight out of the box, then loaded with all the apps that I use and used over a day.

It's getting to the point where the only real difference between the Note series and the S series flagships is the S Pen, at least until the next Note flagship comes out, and we fully expect the Note 4 to wipe the floor with the S5. Until then, I think that if one doesn't need the extra screen space (the S5's screen is plenty big mind you) and the S Pen, the S series is probably a little more attractive. Personally, I need the S Pen for all sorts of things, probably a legacy from my Palm Tungsten T3/T5/TX days, and that says it all.

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[Galaxy Note 3 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] pete4k:
Actually Galaxy S series is Samsung flagship, Note 3 is a flagship for niche phablet market, so either phone will have top available hardware available at the moment of the phone introduction and since S5 is introduced 6 months after Note 3, it's no wonder CPU and GPU is a little faster on S5, but never the less Note 3 has more RAM, bigger screen and cost less. As far as your picture comparison, I'm a little confused: I thought S5 has higher resolution camera than Note 3, therefore if everything was the same and pictures were enlarged to max pixel per pixel level, letters on Galaxy S5, should be larger than on Note3, since they are the same size something does not add up. (If you're not sure what I'm talking about take a picture with front and back camera, front camera's objects will be smaller at max magnification due to less pixels, everything else being equal). Also the amount of jaggies make me think the picture wasn't focused perfectly or the light was rather low. Either way I would expect camera on the S5 to be better, just by being 6 months newer.

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;51625436]Side by side comparison of a photo taken at default settings with the stock camera app on the Note 3 and S5, then zoomed in to the maximum possible level.

http: //imgur.com/ yUa7tjN (I cannot post links yet. Remove the spaces...)

Photo taken by my Galaxy Gear.

For what it's worth, my Note 3 may be extensively optimized (at least to the extent that an unrooted device can be), but a stock S5 is still more fluid, and the camera on the S5 is not "a little better" than the Note 3's. The difference can be quite significant even in good lighting conditions, and only gets bigger when it gets darker. As for the screen quality, I love my Note 3, but you can see for yourself in the above photo - both devices had auto-brightness turned off and brightness cranked up to the maximum, on Adapt display mode. This comparison was not made with an S5 in a store (although that picture was taken in one), but with an actual unit straight out of the box, then loaded with all the apps that I use and used over a day.

It's getting to the point where the only real difference between the Note series and the S series flagships is the S Pen, at least until the next Note flagship comes out, and we fully expect the Note 4 to wipe the floor with the S5. Until then, I think that if one doesn't need the extra screen space (the S5's screen is plenty big mind you) and the S Pen, the S series is probably a little more attractive. Personally, I need the S Pen for all sorts of things, probably a legacy from my Palm Tungsten T3/T5/TX days, and that says it all.

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[Galaxy Note 3 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] arash2901:
can anyone add a link or something! comparing pictures taken by s5 and note 3?

s5 vs not 3 (in my opinion)

better camera, screen

finger print

water resist

lacks of s pen

I don't think there is a big difference between battery and ram
[Galaxy Note 3 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] antique_sonic:
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I helped the earlier post to repost the link ( [MENTION=5643139]pete4k[/MENTION] ) :

http://imgur.com/yUa7tjN

finger print is new tech for handphone I guess, but my fingerprint always got problem even on my office finger scanner :p

hahaha. so this improvement doesn't wow me a lot.