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[One (M8) General] ajai_dev:
S6 Edge vs M8 Camera Sample's

Well for the last few week's I have been waiting for someone to post a S6 Edge vs M8 review since M9 turned out to be not much of an upgrade. I have found some indirect comparison shots from M8 and S6E from phonearena and I would like to share them with you all to make up your mind if you wanna upgrade from the M8 to the S6 Edge.

[IMG="M8 Low Light No Flash"]http://i-cdn.phonearena.com/images/reviews/173730-image/HTC-One-M8-Low-light.jpg[/IMG]

[IMG="S6 Low Light No Flash"]http://i-cdn.phonearena.com/images/reviews/175038-image/Samsung-Galaxy-S6-edge---Low-light.jpg[/IMG]

S6E has less noise wonder how sky shots at night would look compared to the M8.

[IMG="M8 with Flash from 3ft"]http://i-cdn.phonearena.com/images/reviews/173732-image/HTC-One-M8-in-darkness-with-flash-from-3ft.jpg[/IMG]

[IMG="S6E with Flash from 3ft"]http://i-cdn.phonearena.com/images/reviews/175040-image/Samsung-Galaxy-S6-edge---3ft-flash.jpg[/IMG]

S6 flash too strong but details are there.

This at least gives us a reference point still more low light pictures are needed to make a better comparison. As for me I am not 100% sure that I would upgrade to the S6E depends on more low night shots compared to the M8 also with Note 5 "Edge" coming around maybe they might release it with stereo speakers :)
[One (M8) General] references:
Seems like you used auto settings and your lens on the m8 is dirty as the details are so smudgy. The noise in the first picture is because in auto settings your ISO way too high, seems like its 1600 on the first picture, try gapping ISO to 800 and clean that lens and repeat the test for more fair comparison!
[One (M8) General] redpoint73:
Not his photos, he is sharing pics from phonearena.com, as he stated.
[One (M8) General] xsardax:
Anybody knows if ZOE Camera will be back?? I miss it badly. Specially editing and creating action shots :(

Sent from my HTC One_M8
[One (M8) General] krele90:
Maybe this is stupid question but i want to know if any chance of shooting RAW with M8? :)
[One (M8) General] Jbb3393:
In my opinion, no questions are stupid. [emoji41]

Yes it is possible using this freedcam, https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=troop.com.freedcam

There's a lot of settings so find what works for your but it is there
[One (M8) General] jamiee6610:
So its been a few weeks since the last camera update.

I'm going to post my experience has been as I'm curious if others are having similar experiences?

So since the update -

Auto mode

I have notice the point and shoot feature has been much better in how quick it will focus, I have also noticed that there is a huge inconsistency in light metering in bright environments. It will literally turn most things into silhouette's.

Low light are so so.

Manual

Its had pretty much the same response in features offered previously though I can't find a way of proving it but I'm noticing the iso seems a bit off over 400?

It does what it says on the tin and allows us to point and shoot.

Features and modes

Panoramic shoot modes are borked in my opinion? Now the stitching the images seem to struggle to get a good alignment or consistency. Its a feature I feel we have lost out on.

Zoe

As we know has been removed, the fact we have the ability to use burst to create sequence shots should compensate for it - Wrong! The ability to chose from the sequence is more limited than before, it has more trouble now stitching together the images and create massive anomalies.

We need to have this fixed.

Why on gods green earth remove filters and allow you to add them post shot? We are producing lower resolution images and in fairness its presented us with less of a variety in filters.

The file size increased on the image but I can't see how me made any gain?

I will post some images I have taken using my M8 and you guys can look.

[URL=http://s271.photobucket.com/user/JamieEskdale/media/Japan/IMAG4205_zpskeuem573.jpg.html]
[One (M8) General] knobbyhtccruise:
Is it just me or have htc updated this cam app to suit the m9 and stuffed our m8 :(
[One (M8) General] Karish1989:
Where is the backlight Camera mode ? ... Seriously they ****ed the camera app :( no zoe too :s
[One (M8) General] oylebiri:
Ortakoy/Istanbul
[One (M8) General] koliman:
Can someone tell me how can I disable zsl for raw photography? I have unroted s-off HTC m8 5.0.1
[One (M8) General] defcomg:
In Freedcam Swipe Left > Quality settings> zero shutter lag . set it to off
[One (M8) General] knobbyhtccruise:
It will still come out green though ?
[One (M8) General] defcomg:
Yeah but you need to apply this camera profile https://www.dropbox.com/s/2d8buel10l4iqih/onePLus.dcp?dl=0

It then either tap auto wb or use sample tool it removes green cast
[One (M8) General] n70shan:
Camera is great on this device... better low light performer then S5 but after latest camera update through play store many software features like depth of field etc previously present are now missing.. this should not be done..
[One (M8) General] Eezay:
Wow. Your Photos are pretty impressive in my opinion. :good:
[One (M8) General] rizevnarastek:
Just some breakfast. Unedited. Tapatalk upload.

Sent from my HTC One_M8
[One (M8) General] jamiee6610:
Thanks I post here a bit your see others, but my next post is going to show some of the ugly photos and problems I have encountered.
[One (M8) General] redpoint73:
I thought the point of posting the previous photos was to illustrate your points. If not, than it somewhat defeated the purpose?

Like the post you just responded to, I don't see much issue with the pics posted; and they are pretty nice.
[One (M8) General] jamiee6610:
I was using them to show how the file decompression had changed as well as some of the sensitivity to light metering etc.

I couldn't post all the pics in one post, so I'm about to do the second.
[One (M8) General] jamiee6610:
panorama after the update,the moment anything moved it struggled to use it in the image, its like the code now trys to remove the items?

or worse still you get a sequence shot type effect?

This was panorama after i removed the update, how much better it stiched

light metering the 2 shots below were taken seconds apart but your see in auto the kind of problem im talking about

Backlighting seems screwed in that the code has been removed as well as the feature? i will post some examples of how the camera struggled.

That was a bright blue sky behind us if you look on the other image?

These photos were taken moments apart at a crossing and your see that in one of them theres like an area where people war in an black abyss. Both sides of the crossing had equal light yet it was very hard from the camera to work with it? Randomly i would get dead areas in low light situations.

Trek up a mountain and some of the path was very low light, i have not liked the HDR feature on this and always felt it was over processed.

We had about as much light as just before sunset

Heres 2 more comparisons of over processed images verses manual.

Large bright areas can now be a massive problem

Same place different angle using manual settings and it was a battle

This was my biggest disapointment!

We went to Todaiji there's a Buddha world famous kept here its one or the largest one indoor?

But inside is quite lowlight bar the entrance and this is the results i got using stock software.

We do have to ask has HTC been that lazy that its put out an update thats one shoe fits all for the camera functions? If so then it would explain why we now have had a downgrade in some respects? I just hope the release of the M8S will see us have an improvement and more to the point opitimised use of the duo lens ability.

I keep thinking that they have done something dumb and forgotten to to include the relevant code to make Duo camera work correctly or both to work at all?

Only reason i say this i noticed that with things like Camer360 when i first got the M8 it did not have code to support duo lens and it showed in the quality of the photographs.
[One (M8) General] JellyKitkatLoli:
Yummy :)

http://imgur.com/fgHjzgj,gKEuiUH
[One (M8) General] RSK01:
Have not posted for quite a while.

Around Taiwan By Train in 32 Hours by Yik Lim, on Flickr

Around Taiwan By Train in 32 Hours by Yik Lim, on Flickr

Around Taiwan By Train in 32 Hours by Yik Lim, on Flickr

Food Porn by Yik Lim, on Flickr

Food Porn by Yik Lim, on Flickr

National Museum - Singapore by Yik Lim, on Flickr

National Museum - Singapore by Yik Lim, on Flickr

Bistro 1855 by Yik Lim, on Flickr

Keppel Harbor from Spotiswoode 18 by Yik Lim, on Flickr

Look Colnago Merida Ciocc Bikes.. by Yik Lim, on Flickr

Look Colnago Merida Ciocc Bikes.. by Yik Lim, on Flickr

SINGAPORE - Padang Esplanade by Yik Lim, on Flickr

SINGAPORE - Padang Esplanade by Yik Lim, on Flickr

Timepieces by Yik Lim, on Flickr
[One (M8) General] knobbyhtccruise:
Some nice images there Yik
[One (M8) General] jamiee6610:
sweet shots
[One (M8) General] jancarlos1597:
My lovely dog ?, Spike.
[One (M8) General] edios123:
Wow, that pic looks lovely.! :)
[One (M8) General] jancarlos1597:
Thanks man :) [emoji28]
[One (M8) General] doaneramma:
I'v been walking to work every day and my truck got pretty gross, think layers of sap and junk. 3 hours of detailing and it finally came out pretty good!
[One (M8) General] krele90:
No edit, just blur effect on background.

Casey with blur background by Kristijan Sebenji, on Flickr
[One (M8) General] dgwphotography:
I think this thread has gone to the dogs ;)

I need to clean. Max has other ideas... by David G. Whitham, on Flickr
[One (M8) General] reaper420:
My dog won't sit still long enough for a picture so here's my guinea pig instead
[One (M8) General] Mukhi11:
Auto

Sent from my HTC One_M8
[One (M8) General] Extropy:
Took this yesterday. Everything on auto
[One (M8) General] Karish1989:
I really hate HDR, it's broken :(.

I know there are work arounds for HDR to work but still :l.

Seems they fixed a lot for the M9, but yeah M9 has MP instead of UP ...
[One (M8) General] rizevnarastek:
This is an HDR shot I did a few days back. I just zoomed out into the scenery, touched and held to lock exposure then unzoomed back, refrained and took the photo. Without this trick the outside of the bus would be highlighted into oblivion.

Sent from my HTC One_M8
[One (M8) General] mushages:
[MENTION=1144067]hamdir[/MENTION] lol at that full article.
[One (M8) General] hamdir:
okay >> now explain
[One (M8) General] mushages:
if you see the video i posted earlier you would see different colors and results. well you know just for information if i hate iphones i can take very bad pictures with it and claim its out of the pocket and grab an HTC m8 and take the best i can do and still say out of the pocket. till now i dont know who is taking this seriously without leaning to one side. every comparison have different results and i dont know which is right. plus the imore shootout had different angles where light reception can be altered and affect the overall picture quality/color/brightness.
[One (M8) General] hamdir:
you want to hear the simple truth my friend?

no one in the Android space can provide quality like Apple but HTC (balance, calibration etc)

and this is what they have done, they have greatly calibrated their same old camera, the results are extremely close to the iPhone 5s despite having half the pixels and in fact look again at this image

the tree branches are more details on the M8 because it has greater per pixel detail, its doesnt suffer from the tiny pixel problem where precision gets lost

honestly i am not a fan of the digital zoom on the iPhone 5s its a smudgy hell, the max crop on the M8 at least is authentic

also note my comment about the per pixel detail on the M8 (distant tree branches)

believe me such proper camera color calibration was impossible on any Android last year, so for me it's a miracle we finally have good work on the colors

color balance is really half the story of a good picture, they actually admit it even in that same article:
[One (M8) General] sbiricuda:
[MENTION=4156894]spikeydoo2006[/MENTION]

Well, I might have a slightly different idea of "shabby". If you ask me, I would say that it does look shabby, imo. The photo looks "confused", colors are grainy, i wouldn't say this is a high quality pic. Not even a "good" quality one, actually.

[MENTION=4133759]clax6[/MENTION]

Seriously, I do not want to talk crap on this phone. I don't even own one, I'm just considering to move from my old smartphone to a newer one and the M8 is the one that attracts me most.

But the blur effect is terrible in this pic (IMHO, again). The effect messed up with foreground and background, the wall is not well cut.. It still looks like there's a huge gap between this one and some pics posted in this thread, which are awesome.

Could you post the original pic, just to compare?
[One (M8) General] mushages:
the truth is HTC done a good job. As an HTC fanboy I am satisfied with the camera BUT its not the best out there as you can see samsung got their hands dirty and went 16mp on the S5 but in this video :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CjnA9Z22G3s you can see it struggles to get accurate colors. colors are overated here lol and it has a pink/purple spot in the middle like how we had went our sensors went bad on the M7 ( i also struggled in my Butterfly S which had the same camera). now lets not talk about samsung as we are focusing on our camera here. this camera can take beautiful pictures when played right.. now people wonder why the front camera on this device is better than the rear? we all know that the rear still takes better pictures than the front but our expectations was something like 6UP 8UP or last rumor which was 16MP combined with 4UP but HTC came up with duo cameras lacking OIS. why did HTC take this route? was it hard to move up to more pixels and keeping the low light performance. The truth is that we have a 4UP Duo camera with somewhat good colors,details and some stupid/great bokeh effect and basic 3D conversion. atleast this technology gives us good pictures and it has HTC copyright and can catch up against new phones high pixel cameras :good:
[One (M8) General] hamdir:
yes its called a person who takes a good shot versus a clueless one

you think any camera in the world can guarantee a good photo in any hand?
[One (M8) General] sbiricuda:
If it's all about this, I could give M8 a chance. Not that HTC needs me, LOL, just to say.

The fact is that the gap was so serious that I was wondering if it is all about technique and skill. If it was, I'd be satisfied enough. But I cannot say without the phone in my hands.

That's why I proposed a thread to offer tips from the more skilled users to everybody. I am keen to learn how to face the problem, I just wonder if it's something I could actually get through.

ps. It's not all about the camera, but I have to say that it looks like other cameras are easier to use for unskilled people.
[One (M8) General] gavinfabl:
Hello kitty.
[One (M8) General] sbiricuda:
Very nice pic. Could you please post it on flickr or dropbox? Tapatalk is said to compress pictures.
[One (M8) General] gavinfabl:
It's here https://www.flickr.com/photos/gavinfabl100
[One (M8) General] sbiricuda:
Thank you.

I would say that the quality here is good but still not excellent.

Good to know, anyway, thank you for posting :)
[One (M8) General] :
One of the dogs.
[One (M8) General] yvibes:
Anyone have any recommendations for the camera settings or are people just using it on default settings?
[One (M8) General] mushages:
try all default but sharpness -1
[One (M8) General] sharpey:
Compared to a DSLR all camera phones are terrible... phones are for convenience and if you want high quality photos then get out the DSLR
[One (M8) General] blestsol:
Wrong, he should get an iPhone or the Z2.

You people should stop with the dumb comments.

Sent from my HTCM8
[One (M8) General] hamdir:
[MENTION=241112]gavinfabl[/MENTION] your gallery is the proof that all this MP talk is a little bit silly

i have checked your N3 samples and they are all a smudgy hell at 1:1 compared to the M8 photos which you can actually view at 1:1 and making the best out of it's limited MP size (especially if you lower the sharpness)

even when downsampled the N3 photo shows poor per pixel detail, unacceptable IQ, they only look good when downsized

have a look at this:

https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3703/13193385953_f1306d14e1_o.jpg

download it and view at 1:1, its almost like a oil painting for all the aggressive processing as they try to hide the tiny pixel lack of precision
[One (M8) General] itzsnookums:
and why is that??? talk about stupid comments, yours takes the prize...

anyways, here are a few pics i have taken with the M7 recently....no complaints here...

but i would love to have a way to disable the compression......
[One (M8) General] blestsol:
In context he said phone cameras are meant for convenience if you want something better get a dslr. And the general consensus is that the iPhone and Z2 cameras are Dope with the S5 after it.

And then your stupid self posted weed pics. Foh.
[One (M8) General] riginal:
lonely mickey
[One (M8) General] NightOrchid:
Wow what amazing photos everyone, everytime I read this thread theres always new and stunning images that prove time and time again that UltraPixel is brilliant, oin fact, Ide say its actually better than the M9s camera (in the M9s current state).

Its just a shame people like to keep bashing it because 4 is a small number.. hehe.

Ill post some more of my own soon :)

I wonder if the "M8 camera bashers" actually realize that their new 4K TV is actually just 4 MegaPixel, whether its anti-aliased or not.
[One (M8) General] Jbb3393:
Went bouldering this weekend, ran into this guy.

This one below is HDR with no edits.

This is a no edit dimension plus. [emoji2]

https://duoeffectsgallery.htc.com/host/0BxewJGgi0xdBWlhQQnBVYzRSYzg
[One (M8) General] Eezay:
Hey guys.

I thought our front camera had 5 megapixels. So why do the pictures look so distorted? The rear camera looks sharper, although it only has 4mp.

I have taken a few pictures to show you what I mean. Everything on auto, no modifications.

Click on it, zoom in and look at edges, corners and labels.

Rear cam:

Front cam:
[One (M8) General] redpoint73:
Nice. I don't think I've ever run into another climber on XDA.

Is it a rated boulder problem? Or just a random boulder you discovered?

Looks sweet, although a bit highball!
[One (M8) General] Jbb3393:
Just a random discovery. I've been there a few times and set a couple routes for myself and others. Although I have still yet to find a way to pitch the alien. But nice to hear of other climbers here as well. [emoji2]
[One (M8) General] anbinhv:
Your pics look very clear and bright. My pics seem to be blur since updated to 4.4.4 and then 5.0.2
[One (M8) General] knobbyhtccruise:
Are you sure its not just the usual lens glass wearing ?
[One (M8) General] skwieradee:
Hi there. As per Hamdir's advice I rely on auto focus whilst on auto mode (no tap to focus). On picture attached my son although he is on first plan background is clear but he is blurry. Why? Is there any way to make it right? Thanks in advance
[One (M8) General] skwieradee:
Forgot to add picture :)
[One (M8) General] Jbb3393:
Not sure if this helps but here's my two cents when I can't get the right shot I'm looking for, I always clean both lenses before trying anything and sometimes it helps to hide the lease from all light then bring it back so it starts from scratch.
[One (M8) General] jamiee6610:
i received an update this week, seems like the camera has a bit of a focusing issue in auto? Has anyone else got this?
[One (M8) General] thanito:
Hey guys, I recently noticed an issue with my camera when taking a photo in Low light , truly noticeable with flash.

When I take a snap , in image review the photo looks clean and sharp but after selecting the gallery icon inkrder to see it in gallery the image becomes totally soft. All the detail and contrast is lost.

I always remembered that when switching from review to gallery the image colors change, but never noticed the huge change in sharpness and quality.

I remember reading about this months ago somewhere but I never noticed same on my device, quality wise.

Any ideas/tips?

Cheers,

T.
[One (M8) General] crazykas:
yeheeee

yeheeee
[One (M8) General] crazykas:
yep.that's why i revert back to old version
[One (M8) General] jamiee6610:
Likewise but its getting annoying that i have to keep uninstalling the bloody update!
[One (M8) General] crazykas:
if you uninstall it,you will go back to factory version of the camera..I think going one version back is enough,atleast for me
[One (M8) General] jamiee6610:
2 shots from the latest software update
[One (M8) General] redpoint73:
Meant to show there is an auto focus issue? In the first pic, the focus is on the phone. Second pic, the focus is on the glass.

Not saying there isn't an issue. But also not sure these pics show what you intend to.
[One (M8) General] jamiee6610:
No these are just 2 shots in manual shoot mode.
[One (M8) General] jamiee6610:
This is an auto shoot issue

This is manual
[One (M8) General] redpoint73:
The auto shot looks better. The flowers are all in focus, as is the clear jar. The yellow jar, while slightly blurred, is in better focus than the manual shot. Some might say the flowers are slightly overexposed; but its a decent compromise to having better exposure on the darker areas.

On the manual shot, the flowers are the only thing in focus (and even the white flowers look slightly out of focus - can't zoom in to tell for sure). The jars are pretty blurry; as well as the table and background are more blurry then the auto focus pic. Plus, the table and background are underexposed.

Side note, you've framed a light source (ceiling light bulb) in the manual shot, that isn't in the other pic. So the exposure isn't going to be the same between the shots.

Not trying to be contrarian or argumentative. Just my personal observations.
[One (M8) General] zortegas:
An old park, full of squirells.
[One (M8) General] jamiee6610:
No cropped

Personally im not sure im following you with the auto shot being the better image?

Your see the auto shot the flowers are washed out and in some points missing details as a result, the manual was a more accurate representation of the environment i was in.

It was a low light shot and to be fair captivated my problem well when using auto shoot mode, it seems auto tries to over compensate so i have images bleached of detail.

Anyway for what its worth this is an image without the bulb in it.
[One (M8) General] redpoint73:
You recent complaint (Post 2993) was in regards to focus in auto mode. The focus is better in the auto mode pic you posted, hands down.

Being "washed out" (overexposed) is a completely different matter from focus. If you use an app (Photoshop, Picasa, etc.) to tune down the exposure (darken), you'll actually see the detail is actually there. Not so with a blurry (out of focus) pic, you'll never get the clarity back.

Accurate representation of the environment, I obviously can't know that (nor can anyone else except you). But cameras don't remotely work in the same way as the human eye does. The "accuracy" is always a matter of give and take, and subjective. You point out the missing detail in the auto mode (flowers), but the better exposure on the manual mode on the flower results in the background being severely underexposed and missing lots of detail. So again, its subjective, and its a matter of give and take (a matter of compromise between all the various aspects to result in the "best shot").

I'll agree that this phone tends to overcompensate in low light. But that also means that you can pull off usable shots in low light, indoors situations when many other phones fail; and that was HTC's intent all along.

What we're discussing may just be a difference in opinion between how HTC thinks the pics should look versus how you think they should look.

If the intent is to compare photos A to B, you shouldn't be cropping them.
[One (M8) General] thanito:
Bump!

Nobody?