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[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 5] TDizzle329:
You would probably be better off getting people to flood AT&T's and Samsung's Twitter pages with negative feedback. I'm pissed that this device is so locked too, and I thought really hard about getting the M8, but the camera was too crappy.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 5] calvin35:
Can someone explain to me why at&t wants Samsung to lock down the S5 but doesn't ask the same of HTC with the M8?
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 5] 903tex:
HTC was the same way UNTIL they got hate mail and there sales started dropping then they came out with a way for those who want unlocked bootloader to do it but it will void your warranty. it's strange seeing Samsung and att do this as their Samsung phones were never bl locked in the past. If it was for me wanting a android I probably be using a 5s YES I SAID 5S!
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 5] calvin35:
This is exactly what I'm confused about. Samsung doesn't really care because T-Mobile's S5 isn't locked. That means that at&t is asking them to not only lock the bootloader, but to lock it down and make it unlockable. For whatever reason they aren't asking HTC to do the same.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 5] MattMJB0188:
Its probably a number of factors. The majority of Android devices on the AT&T network are Samsung, not HTC. Many customers probably bricked their devices before, Idk. Its funny because the AT&T S2, S3, Note, & Note 2 all shipped with unlocked bootloaders. Maybe they're freaked out because people can do what they want and tether without a proper plan.

Remember guys, AT&T's CEO Randall Stephenson looses sleep over Apple's iMessage and unlimited data plans. That poor cry baby has to invest more capital for each megabyte we all go over. This guy is exactly what the U.S. industry does not need.

http://www.phonedog.com/2012/05/04/...-about-imessage-disrupting-messaging-revenue/
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 5] djkinetic:
Actually ATT does require all OEMs to lock their BL, only thing is that HTC provides its users with a way to unlock their devices via the web (HTC Dev)...Samsung has no such interface or program...The ATT M8 shipped with a locked BL but you can unlock via HTC Dev thankfully ATT isnt forcing HTC to blacklist the ATT variant MIDs from HTC Dev...Verizon takes their locked BL policy a step further than ATT in that they make HTC blacklist all Verizon MIDs from the HTC Dev website...Also I believe Moto via Moto Dev started allowing BL unlocks.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 5] calvin35:
But at&t doesn't just require that the S5 come with a locked bootloader, they want it unlockable and they don't want buyers to be able to mod it. The S4 came with a locked bootloader but Loki doki got around it but at&t blocked that as well. Oh well.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 5] 903tex:
The nexus 5 was a good device but it's battery is not up to what it needs to be for me. No matter what kernel or rom I flashed battery life with my usage was horrible. same usage on the s5 and m8 (when I had it) has been wonderful with my useage.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 5] Simer03:
I literally was thinking the same just now. I had the nexus 5 too and the battery on this thing despite all the bloat whoops it!
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 5] surf1:
That, and the camera, is generally what always held me back from a Nexus, Battery is horrible in use even on a custom tweaked Rom for efficiency. All my friends that have had Nexus devices that was their main complain that turned them off to end up going elsewhere. Great phone to tinker with, but no where near the battery life I get on the S5 or friends M8 even with all the bloat etc. Hours of on screen time, phone calls, emails, whatever, 1st stock Android I've had that has plenty of life still left at end of day even after very heavy use.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 5] Simer03:
It just won't drain... Going on 17 hours
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 5] djkinetic:
ATT didnt require Loki to be patched, Samsung patched that themselves on all devices, just like LG patched Loki on their devices for 4.4.2 (its a security thing as most exploits usually are)....ATT policy is to not support locked bootloaders thats an official stance, Hence all devices shipped on ATT currently ship with locked BL, its up to the manufacturer to want to provide a way to unlock...now if ATT HTC devices were blacklisted via MID, then that is obviously carrier request much like Verizon requires it from HTC...the fact that Samsung doesnt provide a way to unlock, locked BL is unfortunate.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 5] Miguelconcha:
A petition forced mister Obama to address justin beibers deportation but it won't do any good on addressing a locked bootloader? Bummer.. Let's just spam att with negative reviews. See if that works.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 5] karmuh:
Unfortunately, nothing will work. The only way these carriers will change their minds is if they decide to change their minds. They know the ball is in their court, since locking bootloaders won't affect their bottom-line at all.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 5] PunchLick:
Yea honestly it's all up to the individual.

Nothing is really up to the carrier because they do what is profitable and I don't blame them really. All of this is up to the buyer, you can hope someone exploits it or you can switch phones or even carriers. Devs are drifting away and the carriers don't give a **** about possibly pissing off a tiny fraction of their huge amount of customers.

Like I said there's no use getting angry or blaming anyone.. it's all up to the individual as to the choices they go with in this situation. Not these huge companies or anyone else.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 5] yoonus:
Contact Samsung for S5 bootloader unlock tool

Our best chance is to contact Samsung to provide an unlock tool. Since HTC provided one for M8, we should take that point across to Samsung and ask them to provide one for S5.

After all, Samsung is much bigger than HTC and should be able to over come ATT crap easily.

Please contact Samsung via below link. Its the " Voice of Customer " page.

https://contactus.samsung.com/custo...MailQuestionProduct.jsp?SITE_ID=1&titleCode=1

OR hit their twitter or facebook page

https://twitter.com/samsungsupport

https://www.facebook.com/samsungsupport
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 5] sdlopez83:
I'd say they wouldn't but maybe a combined effort with both Verizon and AT&T.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 5] johnkirchner:
In my opinion, phones should be fully unlocked with complete access to root already. We, as the end users, should be able to do whatever we want to our devices to make them more to our own, individual likings. I do understand that most carriers do not want this due to support and warranty issues and trying to explain to everyone that their warranty is void since they rooted it...but not everyone is ignorant when it comes to our devices and actually know how to do very technical things. If we mess up our devices and send it to total brick mode, that is OUR fault and up to US to fix/replace it, not the carrier/manufacturer. This is the risk we take but there are tons of talented and knowledgeable people out there that are willing to help other users out when needed.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 5] rachelm920:
I agree with you 100%... our phones are like mini computers, and I'm able to go into my system files, and even my registry and make changes on my PC... not that it's always a "smart" thing to do, but if you know what you are doing, then what is the problem? Actually registry updates are sometimes necessary for correcting an issue (we just had one with Proxy updates at work and our IT fixed it via a batch file that updated the registry). The carriers just want to be Nazis and control everything. I don't see why a "restore" to a phone wouldn't fix any problem an uneducated user would do, or a developer's option to enable root in which the majority of end users wouldn't use to begin with, much like the hide/show hidden files feature in MS Windows.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 5] Miguelconcha:
Let's all contact Samsung and ask for a unlocked bootloader then. I'll be emailing them. Hopefully they say something good.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 5] lordpelvis:
I really do hope you guys can put a bug in their ear. This is why I went to the M8, because they are being ridiculous about it. You guys all have great points... we should be able to do what we want with our device as educated individuals who know what we are doing, but in the same respect we are a very small portion of the market as someone else pointed out. I wish it was like the old days when they didn't care what we did, but I guess someone had to call in warranty for trying something on here and bricking their device. Not blaming anyone in particular, just stating that something had to cause the carriers and manufacturers to lock them down. Mind you HTC gives a door to open it, Samsung does not at all, so it's still a little on their fault.

Consider this though: When you need your phone fixed under warranty, you have to deal with ATT (if you have the ATT Variant). So it makes more sense for the carrier to not support it, but there's no reason at all Samsung can't give a way to unlock the BL.

I really do hope this changes in the near future. I used to be a BIG Sammy guy... S2 to Note 2 to S4 (prelocked BL) to Note 3... and the Note 3 was my last straw. While I like the features of the S5, I much prefer a phone that's not making me use it the way it is like an iPhone.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 5] Simer03:
I like the fire and the urge to make this happen by contacting Samsung but in all honesty, they have millions of users and emails from 10 or so isn't gonna change their choice! However it is infuriating and extremely annoying I can't rid myself of the most bloat I've ever seen in a phone
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 5] yoonus:
#S5UNLOCKBL to samsung

Please use hashtag #S5UNLOCKBL if you are tweeting...

We need this going and hopefully get enough noise to get Samsung attention.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 5] scott14719:
Good luck, the same type of threads and ideas constantly came up with the S4 (still do) with both AT&T and Verizon and it hasn't done any good. There are already several petitions circulating and countless people have Emailed, tweeted, and Facebooked both AT&T and Samsung. So none of this is new or untried. I'm not saying give up, if nothing else you can all at least feel like you tried, and who knows, maybe one day someone will listen. Just don't get your hopes up because as of now, nobody at AT&T or Samsung has any plans. on changing.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 5] brushrop03:
The community is way too small for these companies to listen to you. Give it up. If you want to root and flash and all that stuff, probably need to just suck it up and get a One or wait for the GS5 Google Edition
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 5] scott14719:
Well, if you read what I said, I said the same thing as you, just nicer. However, if people want to take the time to try, why not? It is your opinion (and I generally agree with it) that it won't do any good. But what if it does down the road? There is no harm in trying. Just because you or I think it won't do much good doesn't mean someone can't try and at least feel as if they tried to do something to make a difference. I just think it is important to keep these kinds of things to one thread instead of someone coming around every few days thinking they are the first one to think about doing something like this and making multiple threads about it. I also think people should go into this with a realistic attitude, knowing that there is an extremely small chance, if any, that it might make a difference.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 5] Simer03:
Or just enjoy your phone....

sent from my Galaxy S5
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 5] black-snowflake:
I'm sorry to tell u that it was be locked!!
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 5] brushrop03:
Yeah, I read what you said. I wasn't actually responding directly to you. Just adding on and addressing the entire thread. Sorry.

I didn't think there was a thread as silly as this.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 5] sling:
hmm not a silly thread at all.

I left ATT due to GN3 lockout joining T-mobile purchasing LG G2 totally loving it untill Kitkat update locked us out of recovery so GS5 buy was needed.

Lockdown is occurring on all carriers we need to go after Manufactures.

The EVO 3D release on Sprint changed HTC bootloader policy.

Sprint users owned their Facebook page , Petitions , Emails galore & Android Web sites participated in hammering HTC for weeks...heck my Avatar came from that bootloader war.

A few weeks later HTC CEO stepped up letting us know change would be made customer comes first.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 5] brushrop03:
Like I said in an earlier post, we are a very small percentage of the total phones they sell. Our voice isn't loud enough for Samsung and AT&T
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 5] sling:
You are wrong.

Those like yourself said the same thing during HTC bootloader war
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 5] brushrop03:
You're comparing HTC to Samsung? Ummm.....the difference in number of handsets sold between the two companies makes a difference.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 5] sling:
Hello Samsung was a fart in the wind & HTC was smartphone king during that bootloader war.

HTC didn't have to cave but they did , Samsung can be put in the same position if Android community as a whole steps up.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 5] brushrop03:
Um what year are you even talking about? Last time I remember HTC being that successful was the Evo. Even then, I say again, the total number of handsets matters. Compared to back then, the percentage of "XDA" users has shrunken compared to the total units sold. Out of 50 Million GS3's sold, how many of those do you think are flashing ROMs? Realistically? Not too many. I would guess probably 1-3%.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 5] sling:
Wow just wow, history fact can be found with simple Google search.

What a downer , your debating me while you should be Letting friends you recommend smartphones to....Im sure you have a few know what Samsungs pulling.

You should be posting on Samsung facebook directing smartphone friends & family do the same.

If 50% of XDA development community did the same for a couple weeks straight lock bootloaders would be a thing of the past on Samsung.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 5] brushrop03:
Riiiight

Anyways...after my post, I did the numbers. 2% of all GS3 (globally) users have installed CM on their phones based on CM Stats and 50M worth of handsets sold according to Wiki. And i'm assuming the CM stats are unique users (which I doubt)

2%.........You can try adding a few more thousand for other Roms, but that won't make a material difference in the %

No way would AT&T or Samsung cater to that small amount of people. Yes, go ahead and get 50% of XDA. That would make a huge dent (/sarcasm).

Just get a M8 or pray and wait for the S5 Google Dev edition.

I'll post on FB and have my two other friends who would be interested do it, but I'm realistic. It won't change anything.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 5] sling:
Yep yep such post like yours were present in HTC bootloader war.

They were proven wrong lol

I think maybe 20% of Sprint smartphone users took HTC on , From there it multiplied x100 etc , heck Customers that owned flip phone were posting how disappointed they were with lockdown lol.

It was crazy , HTC facebook was filled for weeks with no air in between postings beating them up for lockdown.

Android web site followed up with write ups on what was going on good stuff.

Such a thing couldn't happen to Samsung , oh no their to big lol
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 5] brushrop03:
Sure, buddy.

I would absolutely love to know where this "20%" and "100x" figures are coming from. Good ol internet...place where you can make claims and with no actual back up and still think you're right.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 5] sling:
Good stuff , the same kind of posting by those that said HTC would never cave lol

HTC caved that's fact my friend :)

http://www.androidpolice.com/2011/0...ve-an-unlocked-bootloader-one-way-or-another/
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 5] brushrop03:
Again, you're comparing Apples to Oranges. HTC back then was nothing to what Samsung is now.

And then you have to consider the company culture. It's quite clear Samsung wants to move to their own Mobile OS at some point in the near future. Why would they want people flashing something over their Skinned Android?

You can wine and complain all you want, but at the end of the day, it's highly unlikely a mere 2% of the market share is going to make Samsung flinch.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 5] PunchLick:
I agree with all of your points, but 2% of a multi billion dollar company like Samsung is actually an incredible amount of money. And thats what its all about is money. If they see a 2% loss for doing something, their financial team would calculate if the thing they are doing is more profitable in the long run compared to the 2% initial loss. Thats to say that the entire 2% of people even leave or threaten to leave.

Huge corporations aren't going to stop doing something, because they have a heart and want to do all they can for a small portion of people complaining. They are going to do what makes them money, which can sometimes appear to be otherwise (but isn't).. even if they say they give a ****.

Like I have said before, I don't blame them.. I love money.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 5] sling:
HTC was the Samsung of today , You should know that seeing your a 2007 member.

Only difference from then and now smartphone customer base increase,

That 2% has great power , we push family & friends in smartphone direction , They convey it to their friends etc makes the world go round.

We are like Steve Jobs without the Apple lol.

Samsung already has safety net in Knox ,It comes down to them supporting customer or carrier,

If 2% made noise also bringing their following into the mix Samsung would cave in favor of customer.

Their Facebook & twitter blasting with continues unhappy bootloader postings for a couple weeks makes for bad advertisement.

No company wants that , At least htc didn't in Facebook .

https://www.facebook.com/HTC/posts/10150307320018084

Now getting that 2% motivated ,thats hard to do in this day and time.

Many believe they are weak.

As far as Sammy OS hmm no comment.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 5] brushrop03:
As an external auditor, I can tell you you're not considering everything in your analysis. Here are a few other things to consider

1) You're assuming all 2% would leave. Highly doubtful. There are people in the XDA community that don't mind and actually like Stock TW.

2) Have you thought of what the cost were associated with having an unlocked bootloader? The amount of returns and such? Companies usually budget for returns and warranty damage, but if phones are bricking and people are lying about why phones are being returned, this could possibly (doubtful) blow their returns budget. Neither you nor I no those cost they incurred on phones prior to locking bootloaders.

3) What were there forecasted sales? Is there still an increase in there sales year-over-year? Did they meet their budget? Going back to point 1, I doubt the loss of those people wanting a unlocked bootloader would cause a material variance between Actual & Budget.

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Like I said earlier, did the XDA's share of the smart phone pie increase relative to the overall market increase? My guess is no. I would think the overall market increased in huge multiples whereas the XDA community didn't. It increased, but not at the same rate.

And again...you're assuming all 2% are dissatisfied with their phones. And they can easily quiet all that noise on their FB page and ignore it on Twitter. Bad advertisement? Most people won't know what the heck you're protesting about.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 5] PunchLick:
I guess you missed my entire point. I think they lock these devices down for profit.

I was just giving a few examples and trying to be reasonable with both sides of the story. Also, I wasn't really trying to give a legitimate analysis, and if you were.. you would have to be a lot more elaborate for one of the largest electronics manufacturers profit reasoning behind such a large scale and complicated situation.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 5] brushrop03:
And you missed my point. You can't assume 2% would just stop buying their phones and you can't assume that would affect their sales budgets.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 5] sling:
We here at XDA aka smartphone geeks turned public onto smartphone technology , It just didn't fall into the users hand from the sky hmm Well it did with Apple devices lol

So yes power of the smartphone geek 2% has increased & can make impact if motivated same as it did in 2010-2011 with HTC
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 5] PunchLick:
That's why I don't assume, that's why I trust literally the largest electronics manufacturer (in terms of revenue) to have done their own homework when it comes to something like this. I don't assume anything other than this huge company with a financial and marketing department far beyond what we are capable of.. did their homework for us.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 5] brushrop03:
Lol

/done
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 5] sling:
Good stuff lol
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 5] az-dave:
They dont even have the S5 models listed in the pulldown, so anything written will probably get tossed to the wrong product team.

nuts

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Now Now...that kind of thinking will NOT be tolerated. Rules...there MUST be rules.

LOL - I went on a rant on all the things I dont like about the S5...man did I make a stir...pissed a lot of folks off...so better be careful. j/k - lol.

Im telling you- If this continues...what does the future of XDA and other Devs look like? - One by one...
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 5] sling:
Done done......No were not done.

Why some members dismiss XDA power over smartphone market is beyond me.

Now were done lol

http://www.foxnews.com/tech/2014/04...axy-s5-and-how-to-solve-them/?intcmp=features
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 5] az-dave:
I dont think anyone is dismissing XDA's power...I think there are two carriers and a huge company attempting to show XDA they have control, and attempt to make DEVs irrelevant...not cool in my opinion.

Microsoft did similar tactics back in the day...still do. Ruthless and quite literally backwards.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 5] sling:
Heck screw the carriers they do what they want , Samsung should be the target just like HTC was when Sprint told them they wanted HTC 3D boot loader locked.

HTC said ok Sprint we do what you want , Sprint xda smartphone consumers wanted nothing to do with that so they went after HTC in social media with threats they would no longer buy their product Samsungs here we come.

After a couple weeks of none stop posting on HTC facebook the CEO listened to sprint consumer.

The same can be done to Samsung , Sammys not pro Bootloader lockdown they have knox .

Will ATT an V discontinue Sammy product sale if lockdowns not present?

Yes that would happen in 2010 not in this day in time lol
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 5] az-dave:
Agreed...however Samsungs Hear the Customer sight doesnt list the S5 in the list of devices yet (how convenient) so effectively they will not "hear" what S5 users are saying.

If S5 sales dont chaulk up soon, they may get the point...lets hope.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 5] yoonus:
Rightlly said. We should target Samsung. Bad publicity will not be good at all.

Please take it to their facebook and twitter page. I think, that will provide maximum visibility.

Use relevant hashtags on both. That way, Samsung know what's happening.

https://www.facebook.com/SamsungUSA

https://www.facebook.com/SamsungMobileUSA

https://twitter.com/SamsungMobileUS

https://twitter.com/SamsungMobile

Suggest to use #S5UNLOCKBL hashtag for all posts
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 5] Martinjv71:
Are u serious? Samsung has been an electronics giant for over 15 years. All HTC has ever made has been a few phones. They put 100% into it. Samsung put like only 20% into it and they have crushed HTC since day one. Wow..know your history.