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[One (M8) General] gtg465x:
Every picture I've seen showing off the selective focus / blurred background or subject feature looks like a terrible photoshop job. I can't believe they blew the camera budget on another sensor and lens just for that crap and made no other improvements. They should have just figured out a way to do a single 6 or 8 Ultrapixel camera, even if the lens had to stick out a millimeter or two.
[One (M8) General] Rippley05:
Maybe not for you, but you don't speak for everybody.

Maybe people should be using a real camera, or they could use, ya know...almost any high end android phone released in the past 2 years and get better quality.

This isn't the motorola flip phone days. Phones and good camera quality go hand in hand, especially in a high end device. There is a reason why this camera is getting killed (thanks to the poster above you for more "real world" comparisons, showing the One getting beat by a, lol, Nexus 5).

At least the Nexus cut corners so they can offer a high~ish end Android experience. HTC did not cut corners. They spent a lot of time, energy and resources in developing this camera. It just doesn't work. You can't tell me they didn't know, didn't compare with other cameras. They should have went with a proven sensor, trimmed that god forsaken bezel and enjoyed a year of success. I would have grabbed it today if not for that. I actually went to Verizon, molested the store model for an unacceptable amount of time, then went next door and sat at Starbucks trying to convince myself to buy it lol...no go.

I can't see a single upgrade over my G2, I do however, see some downgrades.
[One (M8) General] EtherealRemnant:
That is a gross exaggeration unless you are STRICTLY speaking about the camera because the M8 has a ton of advantages over the G2.

I think that particular poster got a bad camera. That's worse than any cell camera I've seen in a long time, the Moto X included. There's no way that is the norm - and from the shots I've seen in reviews, they seem to agree with me.

The camera is midrange. Its literally the only midrange part of this high end phone. I'll most likely use the front-facing cam more often than the rear anyway.

Would you rather that they put a "better" sensor in and increased the price 60 bucks? Because I'd rather buy a compact point and shoot and get much better pictures than anything a cell phone can offer.
[One (M8) General] Rippley05:
No, I'd rather them use proven sensors like everyone else, and price it like everyone else. Instead of over charging for bad quality. I have looked at tons of comparisons on the web today, some favorable, most are not, as well as taken a lot myself in store. Mid-range is a good way to describe it, although some shots are down right poor.

What upgrades does it really have over the G2? Kit Kat? Which does what exactly? Makes it 'feel" more smooth?

Stock comparison. I have RGB LED, bigger screen with whiter whites in my comparison, while keeping the phone the right size, better camera (by far in my comparison). I can theme everything from the color of the folder, unlock and sleep animation, fonts, icons, nav bar, messaging app and more right out of the box. I can also theme the keyboard, which has a top row for numbers and emoticons. Assign LED notification colors, draw on my screenshots (m8 may or may not have that). G2 charges in no time, has excellent battery (m8 should have at least the same battery life) and, this may be my opinion..but more functional widgets with the richnote, tasks and notebook apps. Also, the q-slide apps. Having a few apps like the calculator hover over everything else in a tidy little corner has come in handy. The quick reply to a text message window, little things like that are throughout this phone.

Where exactly are the ton of advantages? Boomsound is definitely one. What else? The metal body is insane sexy, but the barely there bezels on the G2 look better IMO. Too much wasted space on the m8, it's starting to feel like a TV remote.
[One (M8) General] jlevy73:
Wow those pictures do look very bad and I have the N5 and that doesn't exactly take stellar photos either. Hate to see a comparison of the M8 vs the Z2.
[One (M8) General] msavic6:
I can't wait for the moment I see someone in public flipping an M8 around in order to capture an image with the 5mp camera instead of the 4mp one.

Society is all about number comparisons therefore 5 must be better than 4 to the general public.
[One (M8) General] billybobjones:
compared to a dslr high end android phones are still terrible. i have the xperia z1, and its nothing to write home about. sure when comparing it to other mobile cameras its good, but when compared to a dedicated camera, its bad. So for most people who use photos for quick memories, social media, this is fine.

also you make comments like you design phones. you do know the bezel HAS to be there. With front facing speakers, the bezel hides the digitzer. They have no where else to put it by making the phone that slim, and giving you the features. What phoen are you comparing it to? the xperia z2? biggest bezels on the market? samsung s5? the cheap plastic ugly phone thats one giant bezel? the only other phone that comes close is the g2, and i t doesnt have speakers of this quality, has to place the buttons on the back,

see the g2 which you bezel complainers love to point at.

see that black part at the bottom? that hides the digitizer. notice how it doesnt have LARGE speakers on the front of the device.

You think a company who designs a unibody aluminum phone, makes it this slim, gives it outstanding features all around (besides the camera and bezels you complain about), didnt think to try to make the bezels as small as they could when the phone has been in development for over a year? You think thats how big companies who spend millions on designing their phones think?

too much wasted space? none of it is wasted at all.

cut the bull****. if you have nothing constructive to say besides whine like an infant then go post on the comments on engadget.
[One (M8) General] P.Mobile:
well looks like ill be keeping my Nexus 5!!! :good:
[One (M8) General] Rippley05:
Again, you say for most people...but who are you to speak for "most people". All the reviews aren't making this stuff up just to anger billybob on xda. I'm not comparing this phones camera to a high end dslr camera..I'm comparing to cameras in phones that are older, and in some cases, cheaper. It's obviously a big selling point for me and other people ...try using google on the subject.

Want examples? How about watching my son play baseball from the bleachers, or watching my daughter dance at church. These are both situations that offer different lighting but explain why I may want to zoom in on a picture just a little bit. I also may want to share it with people easily, so carrying a "high end dslr camera" isn't gonna work, nor should it be the only viable option when there is PLENTY of smartphone camera tech out there ..just not in HTC phones.

I give you the Z2 comment..that thing has terrible bezels. I guess what I'm saying there is..keep the capacitive buttons in favor of more screen real estate. The screen is not much bigger, but the phone itself got plenty taller. I'm not gonna tell you what big companies spending millions are thinking, nor can you tell me that, because neither one of us know. I will say, how smart do you have to be to spend millions developing a camera that ultimately is "mid-range" at best, then do it again the next year? You can't tell me their thinking is "if this camera doesn't offer what they want, they should just grab a G2 or Iphone or a s4". No way. Sorry

They could have done something a little different to lessen the bezel and not make the phone so tall. They didn't. That's not as big of a deal as putting out the first Flagship of 2014 (not counting s5 because it isn't released) with a camera that wouldn't turn heads in 2012, and didn't in 2013. It isn't my job to figure their design out, it's my job to buy it, which a lot of people haven't been doing when it comes to HTC these days.

I'll ignore the whining infant comment, because it shows you're grasping.
[One (M8) General] billybobjones:
they explain that the capacative buttons were replaced in favor of onscreen buttons to deal with different apps better. Some apps need different menus.

the only thing they could do is make the speakers poorer, or take them out to make the phone less tall.

Ill give you the camera zoom in your examples, but this phones camera is more targeted for social media, vacation pics and the like. Also, even the xperia z1 would struggle to deliver good quality photos with what youve described. all phones would struggle as the zoom can only go so far in a phone with a lens that small. Maybe next year they will spend more time on the camera aspect, when 2160p screens come into play. until then 4mp is more than full hd and will suffice for the majority of people.
[One (M8) General] Deiwuzas:
You working for HTC, or smth? :) Or just blind HTC fanboy? :) HTC one camera was damn bad (yes, i had this phone), new HTC one M8 camera sucks badly as well (it doesn't even matter you post photos on facebook, or looking at them on PC). Phone camera not even my main priority (at the moment i have Nexus 5 and i'm satisfied with the results), but the results of ONE camera just hurts my eye.
[One (M8) General] mwatson:
Lots of people commenting on the camera saying "stop whinging and take a dslr with you" or "this is a phone not a camera" ect...

Apple have set the expectation. Its not like we are all stupid and forgot that its a phone. We all know very high quality picture can be taken on a phone because we've all seen what the iPhone can produce. We just want that for android.
[One (M8) General] vegetaleb:
Looks like even the 2013 One take better photos!

As usual HTC will release a big camera update fix in the coming 2 weeks but it will just bring the M8 level to M7.

I hope Peter Chou will release a M8+ with the 13mp camera he used in his new Desire.

Swimming pool and beach spy pics will be awful with this 4mp :crying:
[One (M8) General] ratchetjaw:
Yeah I am wondering if the mid range version of this phone with the traditional shooter takes better pics
[One (M8) General] xsystem1:
No optical image stabilization. This is by far the most needed feature of you intend to walk around without a tripod. What a bummer. I am sticking with m7. All my pics will be blurry because my hand twitches the the perfect instant.
[One (M8) General] billybobjones:
theres image stabilization, just not OIS. i suggest you try it before coming to a conclusion
[One (M8) General] vegetaleb:
Dude you should test the camera at night then :D
[One (M8) General] hamdir:
The new Pano 360 ability is simply amazing
[One (M8) General] starbase64:
[MENTION=1144067]hamdir[/MENTION]

freeze AE/AF in panorama for better lights
[One (M8) General] hamdir:
nice tip btw i dont have the phone yet ;) this was the example from Engadget

i think the one i posted is the Pan 360 mode

updated my posted with Anandtech's sample
[One (M8) General] Gamerbuilt1:
March in Ohio. M8 photo
[One (M8) General] gavinfabl:
No problem, providing you go first :D
[One (M8) General] hamdir:
Looks incredible on my M7 screen

Wallpaper stuff

Can you please provide it in high res?
[One (M8) General] WhiteHartMart:
Still getting issues here where auto in low light always takes a black and white image?
[One (M8) General] UgXvibe:
Here are my samples so far.. https://www.flickr.com/photos/50177155@N07/sets/72157643182480033/
[One (M8) General] hung2900:
Some One M8 night shots

Source, full size: http://www.ringhk.com/news2.php?id=8449
[One (M8) General] sbiricuda:
These - are - amazing!
[One (M8) General] hamdir:
Incredible photos people we need to start trending UltraPixel #hashtag in defence of our camera :laugh:
[One (M8) General] vegetaleb:
Purple tint or strong light?
[One (M8) General] UgXvibe:
That has to be lighting.. I have not seen anyone with that problem on this phone yet.
[One (M8) General] gavinfabl:
I think what these photos show from me and everyone else, is just how amazing the #ultrapixel camera is. It is also versatile, in that the concept is take what you see first and worry about any editing afterwards ie. no need to select necessary which mode. Just press the shutter button and decide what to do after the shot. And that's referring not just to depth editing but generally. If you didnt capture the moment there is nothing to show.

I love comparing these M8 photos with my Note 3, iPhone 5S, Z1, Z1 Compact, Lumia 1020, Lumia 925, Lumia 620 and others. The only phone I rate i that list is the iPhone 5S. Note 3 on a sunny day with a landscape. I don't rate the Z1 or Z1 Compact. The Lumia 1020 is incredible hardware but slow shot to shot and start up. I have a Z2 arriving soon when it get released in UK, so I will be curious as to whether it has improved over the Z1 which disappointed me. The Z1 Compact was slightly better but not consistent enough. The only other phone I had that I enjoyed was the S4 Zoom, but that was more size wise a camera, but it took stunning photos.
[One (M8) General] hamdir:
More crazy ufocus by Tetjk

https://www.flickr.com/photos/tetjk/sets/72157643152349865/
[One (M8) General] zimilaci:
check this....

http://www.phonearena.com/reviews/C...xus-5-Nokia-Lumia-1520-Sony-Xperia-Z1S_id3626

its a bit funny.....is that really that bad?
[One (M8) General] hamdir:
Are you even checking the photos on this thread or trolling, because if you are checking this thread it replies to your question every day, respond correctly as my finger is twitching on the report button :laugh:

freaken arenas...
[One (M8) General] zimilaci:
being an HTC one m series fan...trolling is not an option, I wanted to know what others think of that comparison ...cause as I see those pictures are not that bad as they wrote on the site...of course the mpixel number could be a bit bigger I guess :D

and to be honest I am torn between m7 and m8....of course I havent had the chance to feel it my hands... and I really try to find out if its gonna be the same or just a bit better than the m7...

furthermore what do you think of the lack of OIS? is that really noticable?
[One (M8) General] UgXvibe:
I am just tired of reading all these negative reviews about the camera by people that already went into it assuming it would suck. I have decided to stay away from most of these camera reviews now. Reading the comments posted makes me even more angry.. I need a beer. :rolleyes:
[One (M8) General] ILS_SuperNova:
I will just say I'm on the verge of getting the M8 tomorrow as long as the store has stock.

I've played with this phone briefly in two different shops and the camera was first on my hit list . . I took two shots note 3 in one hand and M8 in other! Took identical shots and M8 produced better colour and just as much detail as the note 3 . .

Even zooming in . .yeah you can see a slight difference were mp are concerned but unless your printing photos etc then it's not even worth saying this cam is bad!

Even when I had the Z1 for a short time it didn't wow me with its 20mp cam . . . .
[One (M8) General] gavinfabl:
What is your point? I dont understand..

I had read that ages ago. My point of view is based on me owning the phones, not being loaned for 2 weeks as many of the big sites are lucky enough to do, and based on hundreds of photos taken in realistic situations. I also find the early photos and reviews by major sites are not always unbiased. I base my views on real peoples photos.
[One (M8) General] iNiREALiZED:
Few more from yesterday. I really am loving the camera.
[One (M8) General] Blazeitup123:
Ufocus

Im happy :D
[One (M8) General] DigitalMadness:
Totally agree with you. Z1 cam is a dissapointment
[One (M8) General] hamdir:
ok so i will make this statement:

if the upcoming HTC phone with a new sensor no matter what it is DOES NOT have these COLORS, I will hold into the M8 and skip whatever beta testing HTC wants us to make on their mind blowing next

color, white balance and consistency makes the entire image, its a limited 4MP camera but its an amazing camera

this thread is the best HTC photo thread i have ever visited to be honest

everyone here makes it look like taking awesome photos is so easy
[One (M8) General] ILS_SuperNova:
I actually excited to see how third parties even htc evolve the dual cam . . .at the moment there's a few nice effects on there but I'm trying to think of what other possible ways that the depth sensor can be used :p
[One (M8) General] hamdir:
please tweet this beauty mate with #Ufocus #UltraPixel hashtag :good: and maybe #reviewersgetalife :laugh:
[One (M8) General] The-Last-Hylian:
These photos are simply gorgeous!

Some of the detailing that we can see is superb, some of these ufocus pics are amazing!

This thread is the best representation of what can be achieved with this camera!

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Does anyone remember this thread? http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=2400318

We need to get this guy an M8 and put him back in Japan for a few weeks!
[One (M8) General] Rado_vr6:
Personally I think the M8 takes great photos. It's quick on the draw and the quality is exceptional. 4mp or not, it captures the moments I want right when I need them.
[One (M8) General] Rado_vr6:
Pictures look just fine. I don't know what the fuss is about
[One (M8) General] Arthur Hucksake:
And the beauty of it is, that is just software.

They can roll out an update with additional effects whenever they feel like it.
[One (M8) General] ghareeb59:
The camera on the Z1 is crap, but now I can't wait to get the htc one m8
[One (M8) General] ILS_SuperNova:
Well just got home with my new M8 ;) haven't played with camera enuf yet but again people need to see this thread before saying the camera is bad or even terrible
[One (M8) General] riginal:
Really appreciate this thread guys, Very nice photos

Specially want to thank people like hamdir who actually provide info & proof instead of the whole stupid "If you want a great camera buy a dslr" crap

Now that I have read through this thread I have doubts about going for Z2

It's kinda weird though that although some reviewers are biased but last year all have on thing in common, in most of the reviews & shootouts M7 finished last and that was the main reason I skipped on HTC One max, really loved that device, Maybe I should just go for a max after all since I see some great photos here from one mini which also doesn't have OIS

Kinda confused right now

Actually I don't take pictures that much but if I want to spend this much on a smartphone I want everything about it to be at least great (if not the best)
[One (M8) General] ghareeb59:
Congrats mate..
[One (M8) General] sebsal:
Been playing with my new M8 this morning. The camera is great. It's better than the M7. I actually really like the 3D tilt option, it's really impressive. The post focus option, the effect seems a little strong.

The sky is still too bright at the default settings but using touch to focus on the light area can draken it. Basically, a wee bit of effort means you can make the photo look however you want.

Really impressed with what you can do with a photo after you've taken it. I always loved the zoe feature and it's great to see its improved. Rather than getting a couple of seconds per zoe, you now hold down the button for the length of time you want it to capture. You can get some great action photos by taking a zoe and then choosing the single frame.

It's also extremely quick. In fact the whole phone is blazingly fast. I thought the HTC One M7 was quick but this is amazing!
[One (M8) General] ILS_SuperNova:
One thing I hope can be added if it's at all possible . . Ufocus etc can be used in all photos (flash ,low light etc)
[One (M8) General] fernando sor:
this is a great shot. I could never get this good a shot on my LG g2.
[One (M8) General] hamdir:
Really too bad the so called experts in the media can't see the big picture
[One (M8) General] DigitalMadness:
Bought One M8 today. Just one word - Omfg. Will see if there is any build issues first. Its a beauty though
[One (M8) General] hamdir:
Sigh more mind blowing camera results

https://www.flickr.com/photos/spybreak/sets/72157643351794005/
[One (M8) General] Arthur Hucksake:
Terrible camera, look at how awful these are. Rubbish!! They were instasnaps. I aimed the phone, clicked one button.... couple of them I had to select edit and click on ufocus. All of that effort for these horrid results.
[One (M8) General] crucky:
Gesendet von meinem HTC One_M8 mit Tapatalk
[One (M8) General] ILS_SuperNova:
? I can't tell if you are being serious but if you are then you need help haha these photos are ace!
[One (M8) General] Arthur Hucksake:
Heh really pleased with the camera. It's effortless, that's why it's even more impressive.
[One (M8) General] DigitalMadness:
Im so weak for HTC so i went and signeda two year contract extension.

The only thing i've noticed is that the volume button is a bit "wacky" guess its normal because its metal. The camera is just insane
[One (M8) General] sbiricuda:
Thank you guys for all this feedback in the thread.

As you know I was a little worried about the camera in the beginning and I was about to give up with considering to buy the M8.

Now, the more I see these pictures, the more I'm happy I've finally purchased it! :D
[One (M8) General] ILS_SuperNova:
Some you guys may know better but could HTC make dual camera work with flash etc?

Also what do you think third parties could achieve with the dual camera?
[One (M8) General] Superguy:
I gotta say, you guys are great HTC salesmen. :D

I was going to sit this round out. My wife and I moved to AT&T a couple days ago. I looked at the GS5 and the M8. The GS5 was kinda meh to me. Didn't see much to get excited over compared to the GS3 I had lying around. I liked the M8 a lot, but all the bagging on the camera turned me off.

I had been thinking it over a lot, wondering if I could deal with the camera. Then I ran across this thread and bam ... I was sold.

To me, it looks like this is a camera that doesn't do so hot in default mode and requires a bit of tweaking to get it to shine. I think that explains the mixed reviews on it - most people are going to use it as it is and not tweak it. However, if the effort's put in, some great pictures are to be had.

So, I'll be ordering this phone.

I like the suggestions for putting a guide together for taking pics with this phone. I've picked up a few tidbits in this thread. Having a centralized place to learn how to really use it would be great.

Thanks all for your work on this! :)
[One (M8) General] UgXvibe:
Your cat doesn't look impressed.. haha
[One (M8) General] BookOfRick:
Finally got how to get the most out of HDR. Frame for exposure and press for focus, then lock to seal them and then reframe. The exposure doesn't change on where I select but where I frame it to be before I lock.

Manual mode is extremely helpful for the thin plants swaying in the wind, or using touch to expose without having to move away the focus.

All in manual except the motorcycle in HDR (moved frame until car is only in bottom right corner, locked exposure based on frame and locked focus on the car then moved back)

Really miss the OIS for lowlight HDRs though :(

edit: pictures look better on device ._. slightly bumped up saturation and contrast
[One (M8) General] Arthur Hucksake:
He was pissed because I keep putting him down on the floor, annoys me jumping up on the desk. He was waiting for me to do it again. :p

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They look great. So much potential with this thing.
[One (M8) General] roirulz:
my first shot

HDR + AE/AF lock
[One (M8) General] assasin34:
I wonder how they will look like when you need zoom or crop:)??

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