yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario Software Upgrading] sk7575:
I agree I don't think it has to do with push. I just didnt want to go back to a rom that didnt have push.

The thought that cingular did extensive testing is probably a nice idea, but not a nice reality. That company sucks sometimes.
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario Software Upgrading] Phoney:
My story:

POP e-mail set to check every 10 minutes. Never get a disconnection.

Had a 2 hour long conference call without any problems. Yay! (Summiter AKU 2.3 'Test2')

Yesterday, I was in my office with the WiFi (WEP encrypted) turned on. I got a call, chatted for a while, then walked outside... and the call promptly dropped. I looked at the phone, and it was searching for a new Access Point, and the phone signal strength dropped to zero! (Cingular AKU 2.2)

Maybe this is not what you guys are experiencing, but in this case, there was a clear relationship between the dropped call and the WiFi connection drop.

I can attempt some reproductions if anybody's interested, it's simple enough to try.
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario Software Upgrading] CameronJ:
I'm more hoping that Microsoft did the appropriate testing - but that also may be a pipe dream.
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario Software Upgrading] NetHead:
Encountered this problem two days ago with the new Cingular ROM released Monday.

What is the latest revision that does not have this issue? Looks like 2.17 right now, anyone else?
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario Software Upgrading] ratcom:
This rom http://xdaforums.com/viewtopic.php?t=48587 is the last "bug free" rom out there ;) Im using it now after trying out every other rom going. Just dont install the extended rom if you live outside the U.S. because it screws up the gprs, so download (from the ftp site) and install the qtek 2.17 extended rom instead oh and run these two cab's from summiter's orginal extended rom as it sets up the custom parts ;)
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario Software Upgrading] thardie:
I was running my Cingular 8125 with an AT&T sim, and getting the dropped calls. I got Cingular to switch me over to Cingular (Orange Sim) and I still get the dropped calls - So, I think I can safely say -- It's not a SIM issue.
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario Software Upgrading] summiter:
Which ROM are you on?
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario Software Upgrading] robjae:
Problem still exists with official ROM

I went as far as installing the official 2.25 ROM from Cingular and getting a new 3g sim card, but the problem is still there. I am using pocket weather, but not agile messenger. I told pocket weather not to force a connection, but the problem is still there. I have to figure out how to get back the option to manually choose my network, it is gone in the official rom.
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario Software Upgrading] aron7awol:
Re: Problem still exists with official ROM

You need to disable auto-update if you want PocketWeather not to interrupt your calls. I think if forcing a connection is disabled it will help, but if GPRS/EDGE is active before the call starts, your call will be interrupted whether you have it forcing connections or not.
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario Software Upgrading] NetHead:
On a side note, has anyone come up with a way to reproduce this bug consistently?
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario Software Upgrading] jmel:
sort of...

I can have agile messenenger open, make a call, and one out of three times it will try to reconnect gprs and cause the call to fail.

I can also get it to do it sometimes by opening agile right before or during a call.

I run 2.3 and have pushmail with mail2web and agile messenger.
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario Software Upgrading] jmel:
i reproduced again, by starting up agile.... starting a call, closing agile, starting agile again, closing it, starting again, and that second time it tried to connect it said it couldnt and asked if I wanted to go to the contacts list instead.. before i could hit yes or no, i heard the click.......click.....click click, and then x's for signal.

I dont think its related to pushmail, though I do have that enabled.

I will do more testing with agile with pushmail off.

to me, pushmail shouldnt do it, because the provider pushes it to the phone, so if the phone is in a call, gprs wont receive the push...
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario Software Upgrading] jmel:
ok, got it to do it again, this time just having agile open and connected, then quickly making a phone call... agile seemed to just "hang"

during the call, about 4 mins in... click......click.....click click, and 's again... then it tried to make a gprs connection.

hope this helps someone.

EDIT:

I can reproduce it now 100% of the time with agile.

1. Make sure agile messenger is closed for real with task manager.

2. Start agile... wait until it is connected and about to display the contacts list.

3. make a phone call. stay on the line at least 5 mins or so as we've all seen.

4. watch your call drop like a basejumper with no parachute. click....click.....click click... x's.

It does this every time i do it this way.

EDIT 2

pushmail was off, and the call times are super consistant... between 4 mins 2 seconds and 4 mins 15 seconds before it drops.
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario Software Upgrading] robjae:
No agile and still a problem

I don't have agile and I have the problem. Is there somewhere in the registry that gives priority to certain calls, i.e. voice top priority, data next, then a bluetooth connection last is how it seems on mine. I have to dial several times from my laptop if there is a data connection, or I have to hang it up right before I dial. If there was somewhere in the registry I could change this, it would be nice.
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario Software Upgrading] jmel:
I am saying that I think its bad programming on the app developers... perhaps not the rom...

if it wasnt, this would happen with EVERY gprs app, like pocket ie, and pocket msn...

and it doesnt... so i think its the individual apps that are doing some sort of "calls" in the programming, that the built in apps dont do..

the are "doing it wrong" and thats why they are causing the gsm to drop perhaps...

maybe there was a change in teh rom, but its only affecting phones with these "aggressive apps" running, trying to connect.
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario Software Upgrading] jmel:
Are there any apps that can load on startup that will monitor the state of the phone application?

My thought is that if there were a way to do that, or somehow do a registry entry in the same way that the notifications work, that you could do something like:

"if phone.exe started, kill agile messenger" and maybe have it start it again when the call is done?
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario Software Upgrading] summiter:
I think you may be correct here. I've been looking at this for several days and the method used by IE to pull up a data connection appears different than agile. I have to spend some time picking the two apart, but there's a "nice" way to do it, and a naughty forceful way to do it.

The "nice" way, will pop a dialogue: "Cannot connect. End the current phone call, and try again". The naughty way takes over the radio, disregarding it's current state.
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario Software Upgrading] jmel:
Cool... I was just taking a guess on casual observations... Ive only had my 8125 for a week now, and have been using your custom rom since day 1.

If you ever want me to test anything regarding the dropped calls issue out, feel free to send me a pm, I'll be happy to help.

I sent agile a email to let them know my findings, how to reproduce, and what rom version I was using. Hopefully if it IS a problem with how the app takes over, they will fix it.

I might be talking out of my arse here, but to elaborate on it, I think that agile freezing up means that it is overflowing some sort of buffer somewhere, until the radio just cant take any more requests and "resets".
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario Software Upgrading] NetHead:
It took a little longer here (6:21), but the call was eventually disconnected. Scary.
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario Software Upgrading] jmel:
I'm pretty sure others in the thread would have the same experience if they did the testing the same exact way. I just hope a fix can happen without waiting for app devs to fix their apps.
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario Software Upgrading] CameronJ:
Re: No agile and still a problem

robjae,

It's not just Agile. PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE, post what other apps you have running. I've never run agile in my life and I still have had this problem - for me its Pocket Weather. What we are trying to do here is to identify what apps are causing the problem.
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario Software Upgrading] robjae:
Pocket Weather

Please see my post 6 earlier than the one you commented on, I hope it provides enough info as to what I have and what is going on.
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario Software Upgrading] the blues:
Re: No agile and still a problem

i have the same problem. it is ALWAYS dropping calls. programs i have running at ALL times are: Agile, Weather Panel, and NewsPanel
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario Software Upgrading] sl8125:
I got rid of the hang ups!

After listening to all of you, i changed the spb weather to manual mode and closed the pocket msn. since then i have not got any hang ups. I was able to talk on the phone for 30 min without hanging up. However. i am not a developer so i can not solve the conflict between the continuous coonection of the GPRS causing the hang up. I do believe you guys can though. Without you guys where would we be? Thanks for all your help. And i hope that you can fix this glitch.
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario Software Upgrading] ratcom:
Out of intrest as anyone tried using the gprs "always on" hack to see what difference that makes??
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario Software Upgrading] jmel:
I haven't just because I figured it wouldnt help...

but I'll do some testing right now and report back in a few moments :)

whats that setting supposed to do anyway?
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario Software Upgrading] jmel:
4 mins 10 seconds....click....click.....click click...

agile cant handle a disconnect reconnect properly i swear...

it did seem to reconnect faster with that setting tho, but i dont want agile strongarming my phone calls. :wink:
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario Software Upgrading] ratcom:
@jmel - thanks man , it was worth a try ;)
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario Software Upgrading] jmel:
sure... its all worth a try (nice skins btw)...

I would love to solve the problem once and for all, and will do whatever I can to help figure it out.
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario Software Upgrading] kevev:
Good News!

The new rom released by T-Mobile UK seems to fix this issue. "V.2.21.2.6 WEE"http://xdaforums.com/viewtopic.php?p=310891(select "MDA" then "Vario" for the Wizard rom)

I have used it for 3 days and no droped calls with Agile Messenger. When a call comes in Agile drops connection and does not interupt the call. Went over 6 minutes on multiple calls and no radio reset.

I also have a request. We need someone who is willing to use the latest 2.4 generic rom with the radio rom from this UK build.V.2.19.11. I would like to see if the issue is a Base rom issue or a Radio rom issue. Thank You! 8)
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario Software Upgrading] thefunkygibbon:
i get the same problem with the radio seemingly turning off mid call. i got

aku 2.3

smartkeys

agile messenger

novi remote

not even installed the settings for gprs yet

on uk vodafone
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario Software Upgrading] jmel:
Re: Good News!

FAN FREAKIN TASTIC!

When agile tries to connect, does it say that it cant because a call is in place?

I'd love to know how it deals with a connection while you are on the phone.

A good way to test, is, before the phone call, tell agile to connect, and then immediately dial...

ie will say that it cant make the connection via a popup bubble.

Just curious. and THANKS for the info :)

Lately I've read about newer tmobile and cingluar roms freezing in sleep mode, I just hope the one you talk about doesnt have that as well.
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario Software Upgrading] thefunkygibbon:
Re: Good News!

but i dont see how it can be grps related if i dont have gprs "installed" on my phone if theres no gprs connection installed how can any app that wants to connect initiate a connection which would knock out the gsm?
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario Software Upgrading] jmel:
Re: Good News!

I can't speak for your situation, but all I know is that in my situation and others Ive seen as well, an app is trying to get some sort of network connection, and tries to do so. The phone is set to use gprs, so thats how it decides its going to connect.

when you are on the phone, it gets unhappy, and keeps trying, and trying and trying, until there is an overflow or something, and the radio resets.

Thats what seems to be happening. I'll have to reread what you said was happening specifically to you.

EDIT:

Oy... I checked the whole thread, and didn't see any of your posts about this.

Can you re explain your situation and how it pertains to this thread?
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario Software Upgrading] thefunkygibbon:
i've only just posted in this thread. as i said before i am getting the same problem in that the radio seems to die randomly during a phone call. i've read through the thread and trying to match my software/settings with others but agile seems to be the nearest match, yet everyone else has GPRS set up on thiers and i do not.
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario Software Upgrading] jmel:
how are you using agile without gprs? I know you could via wifi or something, but how are you specifically?
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario Software Upgrading] thefunkygibbon:
well i installed it to try it, and so far i've tried on wifi and when connected via usb. i just havent got round to adding the settings for my GPRS settings yet having only updated the other day
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario Software Upgrading] jmel:
It could be trying to establish a connection, and resetting the radio though, regardless of whether you use gprs I suppose...

like, if wifi is disabled?

You'd have to test the different scenarios and post back, because I'm pulling at straws.
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario Software Upgrading] CameronJ:
That's my guess. Whatever hook these apps are using to try and get a connection isn't even checking to see if there's a phone call in progress - let alone checking to see if the GPRS settings are appropriate.

As far as trying this radio rom - I'm getting on a plane in a few minutes and won't be able to test until tomorrow - but I'll try just flashing the radio ROM from that t-mobile build. I'm guessing that it's not the radio ROM though, as I actually downgraded at one point to a pre-2.2 radio ROM in an attempt to solve the problem. It didn't work unfortunately - if I was running a 2.2 OS ROM with one of the problematic apps, dropped calls.
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario Software Upgrading] CameronJ:
dupe post
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario Software Upgrading] jmel:
I'd like to try the rom, but just want to make sure I won't have any problems going back...

I guess I can do a spb backup and just flash it, install agile, try and flash back... but i'd rather not use a tmobile offical rom in place of summiters fine conjuration.
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario Software Upgrading] jmel:
okay, i'm going to flash the tmobile vario rom above and see how it goes... I'll post back with hopefully good news in a few moments.
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario Software Upgrading] jmel:
well, it sure as hell works!

too bad i hate all the tmobile crap and dont have the patience to customize it and use it.

it passed all possible ways of testing, and says "suspended" next to gprs in the bubble when I click the G icon after the call has started.

dunno whats different, but i've confirmed as the other poster did that it does indeed fix the problem...
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario Software Upgrading] kevev:
Re: Good News!

Glad to see it work for one other person. About Agile Messenger.....It seems to drop its connection to the net. When Call ends Agile begins to reconnect. Just like its supposed to. :D Only problem I had today at work(we have really bad signal there, fluctuates in different places) was when I went in an elevator. Agile will error out trying to connect. Also one time the radio showed no signal for about 10 minutes after exiting an elevator. I did notice that the radio signal indicator will not update as fast as before. takes almost a minute to change status to show current signal when coming out of standby. Good thing is the phone has a signal. It just takes some time to update display. Audio quality is better than any pnone I have every had on T-Mobile. Wonder if this rom is set to use the normal quality gsm codec?
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario Software Upgrading] jmel:
I wish I knew what in the rom was the fix, and/or how to part it out of all the tmobile stuff..

I didnt like how bloated it was, and really missed some of the cool fixes that summiter put in place on the rom he put together.
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario Software Upgrading] CameronJ:
Did you let the customizations run? I'm getting ready to flash the radio ROM - but I'm also wondering if there's something in the extended ROM that's fixing things.
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario Software Upgrading] jmel:
yes, i did, mainly because i'm such a noob and didnt know how to stop it.

are you suggesting that maybe I load the main rom and something like summiters ext rom?

I dont have the first clue about it because admittedly, I havent researched it yet...

but i'm open to whatever you may suggest, because i was digging the stability of the gprs situation :)
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario Software Upgrading] CameronJ:
Update - well, flashing just the radio ROM didn't work. Just had a call drop at the 6 minute mark.
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario Software Upgrading] grinny11:
aww i was hoping that would fix it
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario Software Upgrading] the blues:
ive been running the newest summiter aku 2.3 rom for a few weeks now and have had this dropped call problem. over the last few days though i havent been running agile, but have been running newspanel and weatherpanel. i talked to the lady friend a bunch of times and had NO disconnects.

someone needs to figure out how to extract whatever it is from the new TMOBILE rom so that us non tmobile users can be saved from this annoying glitch.
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario Software Upgrading] kevev:
We need Summiter in tha kitchen! :lol:
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario Software Upgrading] jmel:
and now the good news: :lol:

cameronj did somet testing with me last night and this morning, and built a custom rom using the tmobile base (? did i get that right?) and summiters ext rom.

initial testing on my behalf shows its working fine!

I'm going to mess around a bit more this morning but i just thought I'd drop a ray of hope someones way.
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario Software Upgrading] kevev:
Anyone else noticing IE hanging a long time on some web pages?
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario Software Upgrading] CameronJ:
Glad it worked - I was worried we were going to have to dig through each and every cab file in the extended rom. This solution isn't perfect, as a lot of things in summiter's rom aren't included (CF, ringtones, themes, etc.) - at least it's a 2.2 ROM without this problem. If I have time this afternoon I'll pretty the ROM up and load it to ftp.
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario Software Upgrading] jmel:
Sweet 8)
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario Software Upgrading] thefunkygibbon:
so you had to go back to a 2.2 rom instead of 2.3?
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario Software Upgrading] jmel:
The only downside to this rom so far for me, seems to be that it takes forever to boot, like almost 2 mins it seems like.

after loading this rom, on boot:

ipl/spl 2.24

gsm 2.25.11

os 2.21.2.6

in device information:

2.21.2.6 WWE

3/09/06

radio : 2.25.11

protocol 4.1.13.12

extrom 2.25.11.102

I'll use it for now, and live with longer boot times over dropped calls.

I like agile too much to not use it.
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario Software Upgrading] CameronJ:
[quote="thefunkygibbon]so you had to go back to a 2.2 rom instead of 2.3?[/quote]

Yep. The title of this thread is a bit wrong - I've basically had this problem since the first 2.2 ROM that summiter put together last month. Downgrading to a 2.17 ROM has fixed the problem for me.

The next step for me is to identify what files are different between the tmobile 2.2 and the official cingular 2.2 (which has the same problem). I really want to zero in on where the exact problem is - that way we can tell the developers of these apps where the problem lies. Also - we can then see if including the correct files in future XDA roms (like summiters) will solve the problem going forward.
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario Software Upgrading] jmel:
CameronJ,

the slower boot times is directly related to it being 2.2 instead of 2.3? or is it due to it not being tweaked as summiter did for his rom?
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario Software Upgrading] CameronJ:
I wish I knew. My first guess is that it's just something different in the tmobile 2.2 ROM. I haven't paid attention to any threads discussing the tmobile rom - are others having the same extended start up times with the stock tmobile 2.2 ROM?
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario Software Upgrading] foxbat121:
FYI, the TMo 2.21 ROM is AKU2.0, the same as 2.17 ROM OS. Hence no dropped calls. The call drop issue only occurs in AKU2.2 and AKU 2.3 OS.
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario Software Upgrading] CameronJ:
Way to rain on the parade!! That stinks - I hadn't actually loaded it yet to check it out. Looks like we're all stuck with the 2.17 ROM in that case.
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario Software Upgrading] foxbat121:
I suspect there must be an OS change started in AKU2.2 that causes all these issues. Unless Microsoft releases an OS update (like AKU 2.5) or 3rd party apps get updated to handle the situation properly, I think we don't have much choice or solution out there.
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario Software Upgrading] kjason:
I don't necessarily think its AKU2.2 because this ROM, Cingular_RUU_WIZARD_217_AKU22_Basic.exe, works just fine on my 8125. But all other AKU2.2 and 2.3 ROMs drop call constantly.

So how is this AKU2.2 ROM different from the official cingular ROM?
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario Software Upgrading] jmel:
crap :(

EDIT: I say crap, but I don't really know if I'm missing anything besides the faster load times. Everything else seems to run fine

/me shrugs.
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario Software Upgrading] foxbat121:
It is SIMPLE. 2.17 rom is AKU 2.0 not 2.2. Cingular 2.25 is the only officially released AKU 2.2 ROM. TMo beta 2.24 ROM is the only one with AKU 2.3.

One thing to check AKU version is go to your settings->System->About. Look at your OS build number. It will end with 2.0.0 for AKU 2.0, 2.2.0 for AKU 2.2 and 2.3.0 for AKU 2.3.
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario Software Upgrading] jmel:
how odd then...

because after using the rom above, mine says 2.3...
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario Software Upgrading] kjason:
That ROM I mentioned is AKU2.2 and at least for me there are no dropped calls. My OS build version is 14928.2.2.0. So there is something definitely different in this version of AKU2.2 than all the rest because this one does not have dropped calls.

In case you want to try it out for yourself, here is the FTP link.

ftp://xda:xda@xda-developers.com/Wizard/Roms/Cingular/Cingular_RUU_WIZARD_217_AKU22_Basic.exe
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario Software Upgrading] foxbat121:
Interesting. Wonder what is in that ROM and why it is called 2.17 AKU 2.2? Original 2.17 is based on QTek AKU2.0 ROM. First AKU2.2 showed up in leaked Cingular 2.25.
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario Software Upgrading] jmel:
I am talking about the test rom that CameronJ made out of the official vario one...

that one in system says its 2.3...

discuss :)
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario Software Upgrading] the blues:
so you are not having the dropped call issue with this rom? i may have to downgrade.