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[ONE General] nigelhealy:
It is certainly cheaper to buy one bigger phone than one smaller phone and a tablet, but you get what you pay for.

A phone+tablet is better at

Tablet comes with battery, typically 4000mah

Tablet comes with at least 1.5" bigger screen

Tablet+phone allows true multitasking, e.g. emailing during Hulu commercials

Flipside argument

you always have phone
[ONE General] adibeckett:
You also don't have to charge 2 devices, only one. For me I'm running out of outlets in my home, at least ones near me :cyclops:. Charging laptop, Bluetooth headset, other phone, my dad's phone, my own phone etc.
[ONE General] nigelhealy:
Its actually a reverse point. USB is 2.1A max so produces a max ingestion rate of power. 2 devices eat mah twice as fast. For any given minute by mains socket, you can eat power twice as fast tablet+phone than just phone.

My typical travel charger is dual USB 2x2.1A

[IMG="dual USB 2x2.1A"]https://mobileaccessories.ventev.com/~/media/Ventev/CategoryImages/wp%20r22001jpg.jpg[/IMG]

For longer trips a 5 port

[IMG="5 port 40Watt"]http://www.ianker.com/images/pics/goods_img/71AN7105-W5A/71AN7105-W5A_BA_TD01.jpg[/IMG]

I also always leave house with one of these

[IMG="5000mah slim with usb cable"]http://www.easyacc.com/images/201403/goods_img/98_P_1395951597894.jpg[/IMG]

which is 2A input for fastest recharge

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[ONE General] force70:
Companies wouldnt keep making large screen devices if they werent selling.

Its pretty simple :D

Sure theres ppl who want smaller screens nexus 5 etc..some want enormous xperia x ultra etc some in between note 3 etc. But its all about the bottom line. ..whatever isnt selling wont be in production much longer.

I would be curious to see samsungs sales numbers on phablets vs "regular" devices though.

Sent from Canada via my Note 3, Note 2 or One X+
[ONE General] Tha Watcher:
I really can't believe the naiveté of some people. Do you really, honestly think a COMPANY, who exists solely to generate a PROFIT, is suddenly going to mass produce a product that accrues no revenue gains just because they feel so generous and philanthropic? Please tell me you're kidding!!! :rolleyes:
[ONE General] TheAtheistReverend:
That is exactly what is happening. Be careful about throwing insults around. They have a tendency to backfire.

OnePlus CEO Lau: We're selling the OnePlus One at cost
[ONE General] nigelhealy:
"cost' is imprecise.

is it:

cost of hardware

or, cost of hardware, plus international shipping+duty

or, cost of hardware, internatoinal shipping+durty, plus the design cost

or, cost of hardware, internatoinal shipping+durty, plus the design cost, plus the marketing

or, cost of hardware, internatoinal shipping+durty, plus the design cost, plus the marketing, plus cost-of-money from seeding manufacturing

or, cost of hardware, internatoinal shipping+durty, plus the design cost, plus the marketing, plus cost-of-money from seeding manufacturing, plus the support,

.....or....

I doubt it is the very first in the list but how far down they mean 'at cost' is imprecise. You can pretty much define cost right upto price minus margin. i think that is what Peter meant, it is cost of everything but not a margin, not the cost you might think it is which is the first in the list.

FYI Amazon is making a loss too i doubt they making a loss on each item, but their overheads aren't being recovered.

in OPO's case they are trying to not pay much for marketing by hype, "invites", forums, etc. it has created a lot of interest but still could have been done much better to get all the +ve and not so much of the -ve they caused.

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I think it is more about unit margin. The larger phones i suspect are making more margin due to the ego trip the buyer is on when they pay the premium.

If you sell 1000 units of stock commodity $200-300 phones with a $1 profit, you made $1000 profit, but if you sell 100 units of "flagship" $700 phone with $50 profit, despite the smaller volumes you made $5000 profit, 5x what you made on the commodity.

I think that is what is driving this - the muggings who pay a premium.

On the one-born-every-minute basic, hence phablet.

I like OPO's $360 delivered price, not its size.
[ONE General] TheAtheistReverend:
Never implied OPO was taking a loss, or specifics on what the word "cost" means here. Just warning forum members of what often happens when throwing insults around.

It makes no difference to me if they are making "profit" or not. I got an amazing phone for cheaper than any other comparable device is offered for, and I didn't have to line the pockets of Sammy or Apple in doing so. But I did get to support a new company trying a different rout, and I'm glad that I did. Best phone I've ever owned.
[ONE General] nigelhealy:
Not a comment directed to YOU but chiming with your comment.

"cost" is meaningless really, it means a huge wide range of things which everyone means different.

I agree with the conclusion though, a good decent spec phone for $360. Excellent!

I'd still though prefer Google to take $150 out of the price of the Nexus 5 :) then we all benefit.

I bought 3 OPO and helped 3 others get. I think OPO needs plenty of sales to people who praise it, in a balanced honest way. I want OPO to succeed, not so much because I want OPO to succeed but just so their presence forces the BS out the likes of LG, Samsung and to a less degree Google who still have their N5 for sale at clearly a price which looks sick relative to OPO. I mean, what a stupid set of ideas went into the LG G3 - that stupidly high PPI there's no apps or media to benefit from so it lowers battery life is just macho-specs. Dropping the new handset prices then trickles down into better used prices. e.g. it still a high price for a used N4, I mean they still selling used for >$200 (I sold mine for $245). I bought a N4 recently and it was hard work to get it as low as $100.

So the OPO effect, trickled down, is the ultimate best thing.
[ONE General] drakester09:
Where did I say this is philantrophy? Where did I say they are a non-profit organization?

Their business model is supposedly to earn zero profit (break-even or near that) in a couple of years to build up their consumer base.

This seems like it could work. they are cutting marketing expenditures (and their marketing efforts seem either brilliant or completely dumb) and thus are relying on word of mouth. Their main strategy is to undercut the competition and build a customer following based on their first products and maybe earn something extra with the sale of accessories.

After having a client base, they can monetize it or release new products with a larger margin.

Beautiful of you to throw around some ad-hominem just to endorse your point. Clearly says a lot about the substance of your arguments.
[ONE General] Quinnaay:
Finally swapped mine. Got a S5 and £50 which is a deal I couldn't resist. Couldn't handle the ghost swipes, multi touch issues and yellow band any longer. The CyanogenMod did a fantastic job and they were the reason I lasted so long. The device looks and feels fantastic but it's a shame there were so many problems with it even after a month of owning it and reading the Jira reports to which it seems most are hardware issues.
[ONE General] rickyx32:
2014.07.15 OPO vs. 2014.08.16 OPO

Hey fellas, so I decided to claim another one of my invites this week and I was surprised out of the box at some of the noticeable differences between my mid July OPO and the mid August OPO I just received yesterday. For starters, I thought it was amusing how they added a warning on the sim tray telling you that the sim card should be facing the back cover. As far as the yellow band issues go, the screen appears flawless, it doesn't matter how you tilt the phone, particularly when you turn it sideways, as that is where the yellowing is most obvious on my mid July OPO. Though, I also feel that the appearance of the yellow band fluctuates, maybe it has something to do with the ambient or device temperature, so we'll see how it goes. Finally, the most obvious change I've noticed, though not an issue that bothered me much, is just how much brighter the capacitive button lights are compared to the old OPO. I mean, it currently has XNPH22R, while the old OPO has the new XNPH33R, so I thought that was interesting considering the brightness issue was something they were supposedly trying to address with software.

Anyway, I'll post a side by side picture when I get a chance.
[ONE General] mad4some:
Hey [MENTION=4831493]rickyx32[/MENTION], how much time for you between order placement and shipping notification received?? Also, between ship notice and delivery?? Sorry for slightly OT, but I am at 3 days after order and haven't heard a peep and I'm moving in about 11 days...........getting worried!! lol
[ONE General] rickyx32:
Not a problem, well I paid for it on the 26th early in the morning, got my shipping notification at night on the 28th, and received the phone the next morning on the 29th. Keep in mind that it all depends on where you live. I live in California and the phones ship just a couple miles from where I live. I paid for standard shipping since its the only option I get.

Edit: Since it's been three days you might actually get your shipping notification at night :) Keep me posted. Also, make sure someone is at your home on the day of delivery since the shipping came with signature confirmation and I had to go to the post office and pick it up since no one was around at home, which is weird because when I bought my old OPO they just left it at the porch!
[ONE General] NaterTots:
Yeah they changed to signature on delivery due to reported theft.

I had to sign for my one delivered on 7-24
[ONE General] selayan:
Would you say the yellow band is less prominent in this version? I've been reading on the oneplus forums and seems even those who ordered later still had yellow. I returned mine for a refund but I was thinking of trying again whenever they give me my shareable invites.
[ONE General] rickyx32:
I've bought a couple of OPO's already and I'd say that this one is the best. I shouldn't have said that the screen is "flawless" though, the banding is there, but it is so slight, that I sometimes I feel that my eyes are ****ing with me. I measured it a three millimeters at its most prominent so far, but most of the time it's not even there. I hope more people who bought it this week chime in.
[ONE General] kyleastley:
Received mine Thursday 28th august I can't seem to notice any banding. Phone feels great its snappy no lock ups or FC's. The black sandstone back is strange just wondering how long it will be before is starts wearing off though. Other than that great phone for the money.
[ONE General] rickyx32:
Yeah, it's extremely slight compared to the one's I bought from July, so I no longer consider it an issue. Anyway, the sandstone back does wear out pretty quickly, it did on my old one, and that's with not ever putting the phone in my pocket. I suggest you buy a Diztronic case, and use coupon code "repeatbuyer" on their site. Great quality at a cheap price :)
[ONE General] drmacrofish:
Just curious what your manufacture date was of your latest phone. Mine was 8/9 and I still have some banding, although very minor and I really do hardly notice it to be honest except in certain light settings only and at certain angles, which I do feel is kinds strange.

Would be interested in your comparison shots when you get a chance.
[ONE General] chandanbs:
I got my black sandstone OPO from my cousin @ Hong Kong. It's a 64 gb beauty. Came preloaded with cm11s v25 rom. I think it's a Chinese version make from the back cover written partly in Chinese..

Updated manually to v33 rom. Having scroll issues, stock camera issues when Google camera is installed, voice call creaking noise, battery overheating with themer launcher.. etc.

But, this phone is one of a kind... With zero lags, feather light weight, crystal clear fhd display, sound clarity on my blog headphones is just awesome... I used to call my Nokia lumia 920 a black beast... Now this has taken his place...

Currently my scroll issues sorted out thanks to zePhik for his mod + Franco kernel r15.
[ONE General] furius:
Coming from N5 ...

Hi all, I'm currently using a Nexus 5 and it's a great device with the best dev community you can expect on a device ... but I'm really attracted from the OnePlusOne ... a friend of mine received yesterday an invite so I'm really tempted to switch to the OPO ... I can resell my nexus 5 and add few euros (about 50) to buy the OPO ... the question is: coming from a N5 is it worth to switch to the OPO? I know that hardware side is an excellent improvement, specially in terms of memory and battery ... but I'm a fan of modding, custom roms and so on ... do you think I will regret the gorgeous N5 devs community? How lively is devs community here? From the threads and posts number it doesn't seems to be so populated and promising ... Am I wrong?

Thanks in advance for your opinions! :)
[ONE General] AndroidInsanity:
Back Story:

I just bought my Oneplus One through a UK second hand retailer called CEX, they test phones thoroughly for software and hardware issues before they can sell them, so I knew the Oneplus One in stock would be in good condition with no yellow banding. Of course, since it's probably the rarest modern smartphone in the UK, I needed to pay a premium price for it of £395. Luckily selling my G3 covered most of the cost (the G3 is way too laggy for me personally, but the best looking phone out there).

And there was NO software/hardware issues what so ever, was very pleased.

First impressions:

This is a very very very very smooth and snappy phone, maybe slightly more so than my girlfriends nexus 5, and the build quality is amazing although the sandstone back is taking some getting used to, it's very unique.

The sound quality is underrated, while not perfect, it's no where near as bad as I have heard people say! That goes for loudspeaker and headphones.

The front camera is really good too. especially in good light.

The main dissapointment is the rear camera, the G3 blows it away, so much noise, although clear image helps. And before the G3 I had a Lumia 1520, and the shutter speed on that phone was much more effective at capturing light, the one plus only seems to marginally improve ALMOST pitch black photos (if anyone has any tips about shutter speed on the oneplus one let me know PLEASE! yes I use a tripod)

But besides that, this is a really really solid phone, I feel really lucky to own one too. I am happy that I got rid of the G3 to get this!
[ONE General] TEW999:
My Story

Hi there guys and gals just thought I would put my opinion of this device out there.

Its a monster, quite simply haha.

It is superbly quick feels ever so slightly faster than my fiancees nexus 5.

The OS has been nothing but stable for me no FC's

The screen is beautiful. No yellow banding on the bottom and is pixel perfect for my eyes.

Call volume especially on the 33 update is perfect for me.I have 2 issues with the device though but they are very minor.

1. Is the fact the haptic feedback motor is weak

2. The built in speakers although loud seem prone to a bit of distortion and the occasional audio clipping.

All in all though I love this device and am over the moon to have one.

Its manufacture date is 28/8 so its pretty hot off the production line.
[ONE General] nigelhealy:
Ignore any negativity you may have heard.

It is a great phone but it is physically very big.

sent from my OnePlusOne
[ONE General] force70:
I don't dwell on negativity but to flat out ignore it would be foolish in my opinion.anyone with a reasonable amount of intelligence does their due diligence when researching a new device purchase... Especially an overseas purchase.

No device is perfect especially at first launch..issues are bound to come up and that applies to all manufacturers

Its not the issues with the device so much its how poorly OPO has treated customers who were unfortunate enough to have problem devices. If you have a Samsung or LG device and have problems with it they are taken care of quickly and without hassle.

Until OPO decides to work on that many like myself will not give them our business..even if the device is pretty great (which I think it is especially at its price point).

I've had 2 invites which I declined solely due to poor customer service.
[ONE General] TiVON:
Love this phone! I came from a Xperia E so this is quite the difference... I have encountered no issues so far and everything about it is amazing!
[ONE General] S M G:
Hi guys,

I would like to give account of my experience thus far with the OPO.

I have been an Apple user - and dare is say FAN - since the iPhone 3. My main gripe with Android was (please consider that i was an Apple fan) that i saw the devices as of subpar quality compared to Apple's iPhones as well as Android being laggy due to all the bloatware OEM's and carriers installed on it. That all changed when i first discovered Cyanogemod back in July this year.

After reading forums relating to CM tirelessly i went and bought an Xperia Z2 as i saw it as the next best thing when considering build quality. So the idea was, that i could have a premium quality hardware device and load a bloat-free customized version of Android (Cyanogemod) on it and i would be golden, well that turned out to be exactly what happened. I loved Cynaogemod on my Xperia Z2. Then i started taking pictures and realized that the image quality wasn't great at all. This was in-part due to the Xperia Z2 having some of its camera algorithms encoded in the bootloader - which must be unlocked to install CM. So there was no way of getting the stock camera experience/quality on CM with the Z2.

Thats when i discovered the OPO a device using a Sony camera sensor paired with other top-shelf hardware, and the feature that sold me was it was labeled the "Cyanogemod phone"

Being as anal as i am about quality i was worried that @ $300 i would be getting a particularly decently built device. Eventually i bit the bullet,took a chance and bought the OPO (Chinese version).

All i can say is that this device is by far the BEST VALUE FOR MONEY i have probably got in my life. The build quality feels on par with most of the Apple products i;ve owned the top-notch specs paired with CM11 makes for a truely wonderfull experience. I am of the opinion that THIS is what the Android experinece is all about.

Did i have any issues with the OPO?

Sure, i have the yellow banding at the bottom, but its barely noticeable. I also had the multi-touch and battery drain issue of firmware 30o but that has been completely fixed with 33R,i am currently experiencing NO issues (Except for the slight yellow banding) with my OPO and if OnePlus continues releasing devices such as this,i don't see myself going back to Apple or any other brand for that matter.

To conclude, if you want a fast, beautifully designed device that has premium build quality at an affordable price the is no better than the OPO.
[ONE General] metaldood:
Received my phone yesterday. Manufacturing date is 8/16. The phone is great and sandstone back is just gorgeous. I have seen minor yellow banding at the bottom only when the screen is bright white in color. This does not bother me. I also do not have any ghost touching or multitouch issues. Swiping with keyboard works great. I just wish the notification LED was bit bigger. Camera quality is great. CM is excellent as always. I think this is a keeper unless something breaks ;) Although I look forward to the new Nexus 5/6 , OPO is great w/64 gigs of storage.
[ONE General] OmegaBlaze:
You can play with the settings in settings> display> screen color to get rid of the yellow band completely. Its a thread around here with hella display settings. Just search.
[ONE General] selayan:
I guess if you have a slight case of it this can help. Mine was pretty bad and every setting I tried didn't do anything. The 30 update kind of helped but actually made it more noticeable than it already was lol.
[ONE General] jark99:
H ow do you find out the manufacturing date?
[ONE General] metaldood:
It's on the box.
[ONE General] k3mik4l:
Great phone especially for the amount asking for it. Love the screen size, was a bit intimidated at first but now cannot imagine owning a smaller phone. My nexus 5 looks like an iPhone now to me lol! Loving the variety of custom Roms so far to. Was hesitant at first to pull the trigger and kept my nexus in case I wasn't satisfied. It turns out I'm well beyond happy with the 1+1 and strongly recommend it to everyone if they can get there hands on one.
[ONE General] Krunk83:
There's an app to fix the banding for now and until it goes away naturally. https://forums.oneplus.net/threads/yellow-band-software-fix-no-uv.100868/ also try leaving in UV light for a few hours.

Sent from The One+ One
[ONE General] metaldood:
Is the problem really hardware? Some say it goes away after some time, others say try uv at nail salon, others say keep in sunlight for 5 minutes.
[ONE General] selayan:
We are not sure but it does point to a mix of hardware. I mean mine was bad and I returned it because of the yellow. I tried UV, sunlight, for weeks and it was still there. The new update did nothing for me but make the screen nicer white but yellow band was still seen. It's the backlights on the lower section of the phone.
[ONE General] willham:
Other than my phone restarting

Three times yesterday and three times today I would say this phone is amazing!
[ONE General] rickyx32:
I've bought four OnePlus One's since July and the problem does NOT go away. The yellowing tends to fluctuate, sometimes it seems like its completely gone and other times it comes back at its ugliest. With that fact I can only assume that the problem is affected by ambient temperature. I think that people just jump the gun and make a positive observation when things look good, but are perhaps too embarrassed to take it back after defending their initial stance. I still have my first OPO from two months ago and the problem hasn't changed. The new OPO I got mid August has a much better display with barely any yellowing.
[ONE General] daleski75:
Ordered a OPO over the weekend as temptation finally got to me and wanted to know has anyone jumped ship from the G3 to the OPO and if so what are their thoughts?

Still cannot decide if I made the right decision as I will definitely miss the OIS, Knock code and wireless charging but will love flashing custom roms, customising the hell out of it without even needing root and unlocked bootloader!.
[ONE General] dev0lver:
To flash custom rom you need unlocked bootloader, root and custom recovery :)

Yo and simply can't do anything with rooms if you did not unlock the phone
[ONE General] daleski75:
Yup I know flashed just a few custom rom's in my life so far ;)
[ONE General] osmosizzz:
What Rom are you using?

Sent from my OnePlusOne
[ONE General] willham:
Stock ROM and running 33R. I actually figured out the problem. For some reason out of the box my max CPU was running at the minimum and it was causing my phone to reboot just about every 5 to 10 minutes. I bumped it up to 2457 and everything is running great!
[ONE General] mishko:
Great phone in almost all aspects. Snappy, good looking, great battery life and the price of course. The main camera on the other hand is somewhat of an dissapointment. Thought it would be miles ahead of my old N4's but it's actually not that much better. Or maybe I don't have the camera settings right?
[ONE General] FloopyDoopy:
How's the battery life on it?
[ONE General] willham:
What's your max CPU at?