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[Galaxy Note 3 General] klau1:
What if I want to use a custom 4.3 ROM (just to get BT Tethering) without tripping KNOX?

The guides seems to push you to install the 4.4 ROMs.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] jonleez:
I have the Bell version of N900W8.

Started at MI5, rooted de la vega, then wanted to upgrade to 4.4.2.

Used polishpats way of upgrading with the leaked 4.4.2, flashed all the AP,CSC,CP,PIT, then installed TWRP and autorooted, both with Odin 3.09 - no knox trip

Wanted to try X-note, installed it using TWRP, and no knox trip

Upgraded the kernel using TWRP, no knox trip

Did not like X-note, wanted to go back to 4.4.2, and reflashed it - no knox trip

Downgraded back to 4.3, no knox trip

upgraded to offical 4.4.2, no knox trip

rooted via chainfire and odin - no knox trip

now sitting at rooted 4.4.2 with 0x0 still
[Galaxy Note 3 General] klau1:
Are you basically saying Bell's N900W8 is KNOX untripable?

I'm on MJ4 (UDLV Rooted) with remaining with MJ1 Bootloader

Since I don't want a KITKAT rom, can I just install a custom recovery (TWRP) without doing all that Mexican instruction stuff?

I really just want a 4.3 ROM with BT Tethering.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] kaddict:
Hello,

My friend has just the same phone as me, he bought it a few weeks before me, and he used his own techniques and got 0x1 knox tripped, so I just can't warn you enough : not all N900W8 are "untrippable"

...but...I didn't trip mine and I'm not alone.

Without more information you can't just say canadian w8's are untrippable, cauz they are.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] klau1:
Well, are older the better?

I got mine the first week it came out.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] nexxusty:
I doubt it.

Will look into this. I am positive all N900W8's are the same.

Surely your friend missed something or did something improperly to trip Knox.

Taking this all in. Thanks for the posts guys!
[Galaxy Note 3 General] klau1:
[MENTION=4084386]nexxusty[/MENTION]

in your opinion, do you have to go thru installing KITKAT rom from Mexico if you just want to install another 4.3 ROM that has BT Tethering without tripping KNOX?
[Galaxy Note 3 General] nexxusty:
Klau you took the question right out of my head brother. LOL.

I am not sure... this also pains me as I want to try CF-auto Root right now on 4.4.2 Rogers.

From my knowledge of technology, I dont think it will. Not positive though. I am hoping you do not need to flash this.

I will test for us. Here is hoping I wont lose my warranty. Will report back.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] nexxusty:
Flashed CF-Auto-Root, flashed TWRP 2.6.3.0, 0x0 still!

Now for the info on my phone.

I have done as follows.

Phone came with 4.3 stock --> Root De La Vega --> Flashed 4.4.2 Stock (Rogers) with Odin 3.09 --> CF Auto-Root --> TWRP 2.6.3.0 = Rooted 4.4.2 with TWRP 2.6.3.0 Recovery and Knox @ 0x0.

I'm not stopping here. Will flash everything DrawntoLife has.

Appreciated my man. Thanks again! Easy to Follow Step By Step Tutorial **WILL** be written tonight after I am done at a LAN I am already late for figuring this out. ;)

Talk soon everyone! Happy flashing!
[Galaxy Note 3 General] klau1:
did you consider extracting the ODIN package and leave out the Bootloader?

Remember we had to do that upgrading from MJ1 to MJ4. Reportedly, it was the newer bootloaders that trip KNOX.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] nexxusty:
When I updated to 4.4.2? I did, but I was not sure if that would trip Knox so I left it in the package.

It's irrelevant now anyway, the bootloader in 4.4.2 Rogers is the one I am on now and allowing me to do all this still.

I suggest you update to it. Use the package labeled "N900W8VLUCNB7_N900W8OYACNB7_RWC". That is 4.4.2 for a Rogers Note 3.

I can safely assume you can flash this at any point and be fine. Even if you are already on a hacked 4.4.2 or something. There would be no issue updating the bootloader to the same version, would just overwrite it.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] klau1:
So far I don't see the advantage to having KITKAT. Only disadvantages like App Incompatibilities, Depreciated System APIs (could be things in Tasker no longer work) and SD Card Writing.

(I read KITKAT is clamping down on things Apps can do to the System functions)

What was it that stopped the KNOX from Triggering?

Was it the 4.4 ROM or is the N900W8 Canadian naturally untrippable?

Awesome that it worked out for you btw, congrats!! :D
[Galaxy Note 3 General] nexxusty:
It's the bootloader in our phones, it's different than other phones. I cannot tell you why... yet.

I am no dev (also yet) but if we get someone to look at the different bootloaders there will be major differences in the way our Knox works. I can pretty much guarantee it.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] klau1:
So are you speculating that all Canadian n900w8, Even ones on 4.3 can be flashed with custom recoveries without triggering KNOX?

(Without first going to 4.4.)
[Galaxy Note 3 General] kiru:
I would not flash a custom recovery if you are on 4.3. I am pretty sure 4.3 bootloader will trip knox. You need to be on the 4.4 bootloader in order to install CWM or TWRP without tripping. I know this because early on when the note 3 first came out, people were using cf-autoroot and it was tripping knox. Then the 4.4 bootloader came out and the reports started to roll in of keeping 0x0 all the way through.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] nexxusty:
Agreed. I would not update anything but the bootloader BEFORE flashing CF-Auto-Root or a Custom recovery.

I have a lot of work to do to on this tutorial. ;)

Need to specify which bootloader by version number etc, have all the files in one place, one thread.

This is going to be epic once the tutorials though. We still however do not know how and when Knox is tripped. I suspect there is more in depth information on Knox in the Developers Note 3 forum.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] kaddict:
Wow I think you got the "difference". Kudos!

From 4.3 if you dare flash anything (im not including root de la vega or Kingo) : You WILL trip knox.

At that moment I didn't want to trip so I only rooted with Kingo. Knox 0x0.

Again if you'd like to just try to repeat what I have done: ** Warning. I'm a noob and I DO NOT know so much about all this... Make sure you know what you're doing because you can get 0x1 know trip and bootloops trying this. **

From my 4.3-Kingo-rooted W8 ...

1) I have updated OTA to kitkat VLUCNB7 (no matter where you start from or how you do it, after that OTA, you get Stock and without root on 4.4.2)

2) Flashed CF-Auto-Root-hlte-hltexx-smn9005.tar with Odin 3.09

3) Flashed CivZ-SnapKat-Rev2.2-sm_n900T-4.4.2 with Odin 3.09

4) Booted and used the phone for a few minutes

5) Flashed TWRP (hltecan-recovery.img.tar) with Odin 3.09

From that point I took a complete backup (update.zip) with TWRP and tried a few roms (and failed trying them, all bootloops)

Even after that, I am Knox 0x0. I think 4.4.2 may be that difference in not getting tripped.

Good luck folks

I hope my feedback can help you out :)
[Galaxy Note 3 General] DrawnToLife:
Has anyone done this and stayed 0x0?

Being on a custom 4.4.2 leaked rom, I still have the old baseband (like, MJ4 old). Is there a way to update this to NB7 and stay on my custom rom without tripping Knox? I think specifically, are baseband and bootloader correlated in any way?

Also, should I switch to TWRP from CWM? This is kind of irrelevant, but I'm curious as to if there are any benefits to switching.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] hey_joe:
Just extract the modem from NB7 and flash through odin. Make sure to untick auto-reboot and reboot manually when flashing is done.

In my case though, it didn't make any difference with the signal. It's still mostly 2 bars but could be just my location.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] DrawnToLife:
So are you Knox 0x0 then? :P (also how do you extract a modem.. T-T)

Is there any benefit of me updating to official KitKat? Oh, also, this shouldn't affect my ability to flash down to 4.3 for whatever reason, right?
[Galaxy Note 3 General] hey_joe:
Tripped Knox way before the guide to keep 0x0 came up but the op here flashed the new baseband and I would guess he's still 0x0 otherwise he would have advised fellow users already. I don't think baseband affects any other parts of the phone except signal-related ( I could be wrong ). NB7 modem is here. I haven't tried the official KK as I kind of settle to my daily rom and also am waiting to hear if maybe Samsung put something in the bootloader that might prevent us from downgrading to 4.3, kind of like preventing from flashing back MJ1 when you've already upgraded to MJ4.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] klau1:
When I upgraded to mj4, I kept my bootloader at mj1.

That was the last version udlv works with

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Very excited to see your tutorial
[Galaxy Note 3 General] nexxusty:
I have done what you said you did and I have kept 0x0. I do not know if the Canadian bootloader can Downgrade yet, the person that was downgrading a bunch of times in that post was on the Mexican bootloader when he did it.

Saying that, so far the Canadian bootloader acts the same as the Mexican one. So far in every way it seems, however we cannot verify if someone has downgraded to 4.3 from 4.4.2 with the Canadian bootloader without tripping Knox.

I think if you flash just the system/baseband portion only you will be fine as your bootloader is already updated.

Question is do we HAVE to flash with Odin to keep 0x0. I have been. Need confirmation on that too.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] kiru:
So I just used odin to install the Rogers 4.4 KitKat, rooted using CF-Autoroot (but for the N9005), and installed TWRP as well. Knox stayed 0x0
[Galaxy Note 3 General] Trevorhimself:
Just did the OTA 4.4.2 update on my Bell n900w8 (which I purchased yesterday). Used the n9005 CF-root to gain root and didn't trigger Knox.

Thanks everyone contributing and of course the OP!
[Galaxy Note 3 General] xinfinityoO:
have u done this on a canadian note or the n9005 version..anyone knows if it will work on n9005
[Galaxy Note 3 General] kiru:
I did this on an N900W8 (my note 3 is from rogers)
[Galaxy Note 3 General] klau1:
Is it possible to just ODIN the KitKat bootloader (just to deactivate KNOX for installing CWM) without the System so we can keep the current 4.3 ROM ?
[Galaxy Note 3 General] hey_joe:
4.3 won't boot up if you have a KK bootloader.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] klau1:
Pardon my ignorance in this area. But if 4.3 won't boot up on KK bootloaders, then how are people downgrading from 4.4 to 4.3?

According to this, it's possible (If I understand properly)
[Galaxy Note 3 General] hey_joe:
You have to flash the stock 4.3 firmware through odin which will downgrade your bootloader to 4.3.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] klau1:
Well that clears it up.. I guess it's impossible to have custom recovery (-EDIT: without KNOX Trip) without KK then... Thanks for the clarification!!! :good:
[Galaxy Note 3 General] hey_joe:
You can have a custom recovery but only the one for 4.3 and you can flash 4.3 based roms. But doing so will trip Knox as opposed to being on Mexican 4.4 ( NOT the newly released NB7 as it will not allow you to go back to 4.3 ) where you can root, install custom recovery/roms and will not trip Knox.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] Deviatorz:
Hey guys,

I read most of the posts here. From my understanding since I'm on 4.3 Rogers root with Kingo, I should unroot, root with CF, install TWRP custom recovery, install custom Canadian rom with 4.4.2 (if I want kitkat) + the rom needs to have old bootloader + no custom kernals? It should be ok and not trip knox (though I'm sure there are no guarantees).

Also, what ROMs are you guys using that canadian based? I heard that 4.4.2 just came out for canada so not sure if there are development yet for those custom roms?
[Galaxy Note 3 General] hey_joe:
If you want to retain Knox 0x0, follow this guide. I believe flashing custom recovery such as TWRP while on 4.3 will trip Knox.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] codecxbox:
Lets be informed once and for all..The new Canadian NB7 rims WILL trip Knox and wont let you downgrade to 4.3..sw fail binary 2 > 3
[Galaxy Note 3 General] Trevorhimself:
Can't confirm the downgrading bit though like many others Knox hasn't tripped on my phone.

NB7 (Bell OTA), CF-root and TWRP installed.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] klau1:
Is this a confirmation? Source?
[Galaxy Note 3 General] codecxbox:
My source is my experience.. I tried to downgrade to 4.3 and it tripped Knox and it will not let me downgrade. Dont risk your Note if you want to continue deving it.

Also TWRP will be lost as soon you boot. Only thing working is Cheliung CWM and you cant reboot to recovery via the soft menu or ROM Manager

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You are using a Tmobile unit. I am talking about the Canadian /Latin America version.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] Trevorhimself:
Actually I'm using a N800W8 on Bell in Canada. the Rom I'm running is Wicked and has a T-Mo base. I didn't bother changing my Tapatalk signature.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] Trevorhimself:
Not sure if anyone else has realized but with custom status you cannot truly go back to "stock". I just restored to stock (flashed the NB7 image found on sammobile). Though my Knox is at 0x0 you cannot even request OTA updates as you receive an error that your system is custom, same as running stock rooted.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] soal001:
Isn't this a problem that was previously resolved by triangle away?
[Galaxy Note 3 General] Trevorhimself:
I believe so, I just came across a claim that it works though it didn't specify the bootloader. I'll continue to look and test if I come across any solid findings.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] nicholaschum:
Hi guys, I have 0x0 as well.

Running X-Note 10, if you seen me around on the forums, my sig has what I used in red. Also this was already mentioned in the official Canadian Forums.

:)

Also nothing will break unless you update the bootloader, so don't be scared.

Sent from my fingers to your face using my Samsung Galaxy Note 3!
[Galaxy Note 3 General] DAGr8:
actually .. i updated ota from rooted 4.3 (n900w8) flashed twrp flashed aokp used triangle away . im now fully 4.4.2 and everything is 'official and 0x0 .
[Galaxy Note 3 General] hyogman:
Mexican N900W8

I have a mexican N900W8 note 3, from Telcel carrier. My firmware details are in the attached images. I don't wanna install custom recovery or custom roms, I only wana root my phone. My question is... Can I root using Universal Root-de-la-Vega with my firmware without tripping knox? I can't ask in the URDLV thread because I'm a new user.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] hyogman:
rooting note 3 from telcel

As stated in one of the images, my compilation number is N900W8UBUBMJ4. The other images said that my AP is N900W8UBUBMHG. That confuses me a little... which one is the firmware? Also, the firmware I used to patch with URDLV has the following details (downloaded from sammobile):

PDA: N900W8UBUBMJ4

CSC: N900W8TCEBMJ3

MODEM: N900W8UBUBMJ3

So, I asume that will trigger knox right? I ask a lot because here in Mexico, the note 3 has a price of $1,073 USD. As you can see, Telcel really overprice the phones, and I don't wanna lose warranty, but I wanna delete all the useless bloatware from Telcel.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] bustedwings:
so just to clarify. stock ota update to 4.4.2 (no root? NB7?). flashed twrp with what method? odin? then flashed aokp. then triangle away. just want to clarify
[Galaxy Note 3 General] DAGr8:
I was rooted but i was using wanam that hides the custom status not sure if it s relevant.. And I used Odin to flash twrp
[Galaxy Note 3 General] Masaker514:
I'm in the same boat as code x i updated to 4.4.2 I can't use certain programs as I was able to on 4.3 Tried to downgrade it tripped knox and it blocks from the downgrade. Although i'm able to downgrade just the modem to MJ4 it doesn't help at all. Now I'm stuck with 4.4.2 until someone finds a way around this. I remember rooting a friends galaxy mega and knox was blocking it. They made a custom stock rom which didn't have knox and I was able to reroot his device although it was 4.3 there must be a work around this.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] davethebossman:
I sent this as a PM to nexxusty, but i figured i'd also post it in the thread in order to help the thread (and myself). Please chime in on my proposed steps...

I'm over here in Edmonton with my N900W8 and i'm looking to accomplish the following: 4.4.2 + root + CWM + (0x0). I don't thiiiiiiink i care about being able to downgrade to 4.3... maybe i should care? Meh, someone will find a way for us to downgrade to 4.3 if it's ever a problem. Anyways, I've read the ~6 or so threads that are loosely dedicated to the rooting the N900W8 on 4.4.2, but I think there's a lot of luck and a lot of confusion going around.

I was thinking on doing the following steps:

****Telus gave me a brand new N900W8 on warranty, so right now i'm bone stock on 4.3****

1. Use Kies to do an OTA update to 4.4.2 official

-I also have the SamsungUpdates.com 4.4.2 ROM downloaded for use with Odin

-is Odin or Kies preferred?

2. Use CF-AutoRoot found at http://xdaforums.com/show....php?t=2466423

-just gotta scroll down to N900W8 download link, otherwise use it Odin like any other root

3. Use Chenglu's CWM found at http://xdaforums.com/show....php?t=2614772

-same thing, use Odin and have fun

4. Sit back and relax.

From the sounds of it, our N900W8 can pretty easily just be officially updated to 4.4.2 from Kies and then flash CF- AutoRoot and then Chenglu CWM in a few very easy steps. Yes? No? Maybe so? To me it just seems incredibly hectic to got through the entire set of instructions found on http://xdaforums.com/show....php?t=2614772 ; i feel like the majority of that thread is dedicated to "possibly retaining 4.3 downgrade capability", and moreso dedicated to the other N900 variants. Lots of hoops and loops IMO.

Please feel free to comment on my above steps. And maybe send me in another direction if necessary. Thanks for your help, everyone.

David H
[Galaxy Note 3 General] DrawnToLife:
This thread is what I personally used to get on 4.4.2 with 0x0. I haven't tried downgrading to 4.3, but I have flashed X-Note approximately 5 times, and many kernels as well. I've also updated my baseband to NB7, all while retaining 0x0. Not sure if that helps or not, but I followed this thread exactly as it is and go exactly what you've asked for.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] davethebossman:
Hi DrawnToLife (and everyone else);

I'm good to go! N900W8 running 4.4.2, rooted, (0x0)! To summarize for everyone else reading this thread:

1. started with bone stock N900W8 (Telus phone, FYI) running 4.3

2a. followed http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=2614772 to flash to 4.4.2 official

-after i successfully followed steps to get 4.4.2 with (0x0), i began to be generous with selecting "wipe data/factory reset" in recovery

2b. download CF Auto Root ***for N9005***, not the N900W8 (it sent me into a boot loop)

-don't freak out if you get a boot loop that reads "recovery is not seandroid enforcing"... just chill out, pull your battery, jump back into Download Mode, try CF Auto Root N9005 again

-wipe data/factory reset for safety-ness

2c. download CWM for N900W8, flashed in Odin

-wipe data/factory reset

2d. download Wifi Fix, slap that baby onto your phone's sd card

-wipe data, system, cache, dalvik

-install .zip

-wipe data/factory reset

3. POW!

So.... basically i'm saying i did everything the thread told me to do. Which makes me nothing special. Just wanted people to know that http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=2614772 is totally legit to follow to the letter.

Peace.

David H
[Galaxy Note 3 General] DrawnToLife:
Just thought I'd add that I'm pretty sure the thread that I posted uses the same files, but yeah. Congrats!
[Galaxy Note 3 General] nicholaschum:
Yep this is what I initially used as well. I did it with DrawnToLife but they used the exact same files if not just a mirror with pictures.

Oogar's method definitely works as it was the original one. Just to add - I have flashed many different recoveries and stock kernels from Download Mode (around 5 recoveries to update/fix wrong flash, around 3-4 stock kernels) and KNOX is still at 0x0.

If you followed the steps above in that link or Oogar's post you CAN successfully flash back to 4.3 and retain KNOX 0x0. If you update to the latest NB7 you can't downgrade but you can still get KNOX 0x0.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] ponts:
I was previously used the telcel mexican upgrade path to go from 4.3 to 4.4.2. Then I downgraded to 4.3 to get 4.4.2 ota. Still 0x0. Now I'm stock 4.4.2. You are saying I can root and still be 0x0 on my n900w8 running stock nb7?

Thanks
[Galaxy Note 3 General] DrawnToLife:
Check out the Canadian Note 3 Users thread. There are people who have reported that you can, indeed, root stock NB7 from Canadian OTA and keep 0x0. I'd check out the thread and maybe contact some of them?
[Galaxy Note 3 General] thunder2000nt:
Check this ROM for Canadian version of note3

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?p=52060136
[Galaxy Note 3 General] nicholaschum:
You can install any N9005 ROM provided you flash an N900T kernel and the NFC/Wifi/BT fix.

I'm gonna pass on any N900W8 exclusive ROMs.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] snowman2765:
I have a Rogers SM-N900W8 that I bought with 4.3. I upgraded to 4.4.2 OTA with stock nb7. I have been rooted and have TWRP flashed on my phone for about 2 months. I have flashed several custom roms as well as kernels etc. I decided to return to stock, but did not want all of the Rogers bloatware so have flashed the Wind stock rom as that is who I'm with anyhow. After flashing the wind stock rom, I was completely stock, losing recovery and root. I re-rooted and re-flashed TWRP and that is where I stand now, stock but rooted. All of this while remaining at Knox 0x0.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] nicholaschum:
The thing is, you keep Mexican path to be able to downgrade back to 4.3 without tripping your KNOX. NB7's bootloader can't do this.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] Raul77:
hey guys, anyone knows where i can download the STOCK 4.4.2 ROGERS rom? I need to send the phone back to rogers and want to make sure i have stock.

my knox 0x0

Current Binary: Custom

System Status: Custom

Reactivation Lock : OFF

KNOX Kernel: 0x0

KNOX Warranty void: 0X0

Thanks
[Galaxy Note 3 General] nicholaschum:
http://www.sammobile.com/firmwares/
[Galaxy Note 3 General] Raul77:
Thanks for the quick reply, i did download from there yesterday (Rogers version RWC) but when i install it, i got BELL TV and lots of other BELL Stuff which i assume is NOT ROGERS then !!! another issue is, do you know how i can change these 2? my Warranty is 0x0 but these changed.

Current Binary: Custom

System Status: Custom
[Galaxy Note 3 General] nicholaschum:
Which one did you download? They all have the same product code but you will have to choose your carrier version.

Was it this one? http://www.sammobile.com/firmwares/3/?download=26660
[Galaxy Note 3 General] Raul77:
that is correct, thats is the one i downloaded.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] nicholaschum:
If you flashed the file above and you got Bell stuff, just do a factory wipe in your recovery (Factory data reset and Wipe Cache)

Flash one more time. Check if you still have Bell's stuff.

If you still do, hold on to the icon in the launcher, then open App Info. Disable those apps and then send it in. It's fine because it still runs Canadian official stock. They won't check whether your phone is Rogers or Bell through the apps. The CSC is easily changeable. I believe there are apps that can change it, and there's a code you can dial in to select your CSC.

https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=org.vndnguyen.phoneinfo
[Galaxy Note 3 General] Raul77:
Thanks, i actually flashed it 2 times and same result. my main concern is, in in ABOUT phone, under status "Device status is "Custom" " you dont think this is a concern?

Thanks,
[Galaxy Note 3 General] nicholaschum:
Do you have a MicroSD in your phone?
[Galaxy Note 3 General] Raul77:
yes i do.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] nicholaschum:
Remove it and reboot your phone.