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[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario General] eahova:
Fyi, I also got the "The handle is invalid" error the second time I tried it. I had to do a soft reboot, it hasn't happened since (in about 20 runs).

Here are my thoughts on the program:

1) I wish I could use the directional pad to navigate your menus and onscreen keyboard. This is what I thought of when I heard "ThumbMagic".

2) Even though the keyboard is about as big as it can be it's still not big enough. I'm about 80% accurate with my thumb and 90% with my finger. It sometimes didn't respond when I thought I hit a letter as well.

3) The menus could be bigger, too. Maybe in large square form. And scollable using the d-pad :)

4) I like the time chooser window a lot. Now that is how you should design a window for use with the touchpad. Easily correctable mistakes without having to go back.

5) Calendar date selector is good, too. But again I wish I could use the d-pad to select the day. Also it would be nice if it just highlighted the day and you would have to use a softbutton to advance to the next screen. Otherwise you don't know if actually selected the right day.

6) I don't think you made good use of the softbuttons. You could have a menu on the Main screen for the options. And then you could utilize the softbuttons for moving forward and back in your wizards, or other specific functions for each submenu.

7) On the keyboard, you should highlight the letter that was last clicked. Then, the user can quickly see if a mistake was made without having to look away from the keyboard up to the text entry line.

8) Went to enter a task. I usually don't enter a start time, but that wasn't an option. Also, I got a lot of other manditory stuff that I usually just leave empty.

Those are my quick thoughts/wish list. I think you are on the right track and hope you continue with your development. I really hate having to pull out the stylus for things like adding a new contact. But, I also hate having to hit a small area with my finger and having to go backwards through a big hassle to fix mistakes.

I think the best solution always involves utilizing the d-pad and softkeys first. Then putting large square buttons with good spacing where needed. Then if you really need to have smaller buttons: first make them just selectors (like your time window) and you have to hit a hardware key to advance, or worst case you somehow indicate immediately after pressing which one was selected.

Good luck,

Eric
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario General] dreamtheater39:
@GldRush

Thats strange that its laggy at your end. Could you tell me which device you have and what ROM you're running on? Could you try after a fresh boot and see if it still lags? It runs really quick on my universal here, and even on my hima running wm5. The patch above fixes the calculator mainly as that was really slow in taking inputs (had some minor quirks)

thanks,

San
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario General] dreamtheater39:
Thanks eric for the detailed feedback. I'll definitely see how i can improve those quirks you've mentioned...they all definitely make great sense.

Thanks so much once again!

San
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario General] jschaff:
I wasn't able to install and use this program. I downloaded the zip file to my SD card. Then I extracted it to the card but I was not able to run Taponce.exe.

Can you give details on how to get it running on the 8125?

Thanks
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario General] dreamtheater39:
I guess i've mentioned earlier that it runs only from device root\Program files\Taponce

Thanks,

San
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario General] datawrhsdoc:
San,

Your app has a some promise. A couple of suggestions:

1) Querty kdb is very cumbersome. Alphabetic would be better or perhaps a Fitaly style layout.

2) The kbd font is a bit awkward. A generally familiar font, such as Arial Bold would be better.

3) Some of the touch spots don't have visual feedback when touched such as kbd letters, back, space, enter. Adding some visual feedback would be _very_ helpful.

4) Add D-Key navigation

-Jeff
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario General] meschle:
Re: Patch...
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario General] mmorisa:
Re: can't execute

Thanx for the quick tip and I managed to get it run. Will do some testing and see what could be achieved with it.

regards
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario General] dreamtheater39:
@Jeff

Thanks for your feedback Jeff. I guess its more than necessary to go with some visual aid for the keyboard. What do you suggest? The characters being highlighted with some glow effect when pressed? Drawing a box around it might not be sweet, as each character is of different size, can be done though....

@Mark

The calculator was really slow on the universal. There were multiple screen redraws which was slowing it down. It would impact the Universal all the more, because we're drawing 4 times the draw area when compared to the Wizard (VGA display). Now, it has been corrected, its one hell of a difference on the universal, trust me ;-)

@mmorisa

Glad you got it to work, will look forward for your feedback!

Well, i've made a lot more changes so far, and i guess i'll aim for another release in a couple day's time. Many visual enhancements and of course most of the silly quirks fixed! You can now head back to the root node any time by clicking and holding on the back button (or highlighted node). It also shows a nice flashy screen after adding a contact/appt/task etc. that its been successfully added, tap the screen to return to home page, etc.

Thanks,

San
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario General] dreamtheater39:
Here's the new home screen, what do you guys think???

Thanks,

San
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario General] SBouri:
dreamtheater39, the attachement you got above looks nice.. :!:
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario General] meschle:
Yes San much better than the original - I really like it, much more thumb friendly ;)
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario General] bompus:
I like it.. let us know when there is a release.
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario General] octavarium:
dreamtheater39, it looks really good! When do you think we'd have final version?

thanks!
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario General] yellowdragon:
Hello dreamtheater39

I've been using your application and I like it.

The new home screen is terrific. I was going to suggest making the homescreen buttons somewhat bigger.

Also the querty keyboard does not cut it for me... Being designed for use with a thumb, probably it will be better to change it to alphabetical order.

Keep up the good work! :D
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario General] dreamtheater39:
@yellowdragon

thanks for the feedback, and glad you liked it! An alternate keyboard layout is definitely on the list!

@octavarium,bompus

Thanks! Will definitely intimate when a stable release is out

@meschle

Thanks m8 ;-) I've added button highlights (press state & hover state). Also, i think i'd be animating the analog clock with a seconds needle in place! Currently, i've added seconds to the digital clock display.

@SBouri

Thanks!

Cheers,

San
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario General] mmorisa:
Hello dreamtheater39,

So nice to have bigger keys to press on the screen. Typing is now a lot easier especially composing sms. Good jod, well done and keep it up.

Your new home screen looks much better than the previous. More presentable and eye-catching.

About the keyboard, probably different layout could be added so that user can have more choices about it.

Regards and well done :-)
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario General] dreamtheater39:
thanks m8! I guess everyone have their own preferences over the keyboard layout and it does make sense to give both options, a definite option in the final release!

The home screen has a lot more cool functionality coming in ;) stay tuned!

Here is a proper screen grab (not the latest, but gives a better idea of your screen). The highlight effect on each of the buttons is shown too...

Cheers,

San
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario General] fresh123breeze:
Any idea to support national locales, like cyrilic or greek?
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario General] dreamtheater39:
I do have plans of localisation once i'm done with a full feature english version. If you would be interested in helping me with the translations, email me at sandeep.kowdley {at} gmail.com and i'll ping you once i'm done and ready!

Best,

San
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario General] datawrhsdoc:
The glow effect would be highly visible. You wouldn't even need to display the underlying character since the user's finger would be covering it anyway, so the same graphical glow block could be re-used.

-Jeff
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario General] datawrhsdoc:
Very nice!
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario General] dreamtheater39:
Check this out! An appointment Radar!

Hey guys,

Just added something that i call an "Appointment Radar"! Here's what it does, in a nutshell -

1. You can see all your appointment blocks coming through the channel below

2. It holds a snapshot of -24 hours to +24 hours. The "red arrow" pointing at the center depicts the current DATE and current TIME.

3. The highlighted appointment (in yellow) is automatically picked as the next upcoming appointment, and its details are displayed

4. The time and date are as before, only at different places ;-)

The whole thing happens realtime, so if you're patient enough, you could actually see the blocks scroll through the channel! :D The analog clock is going to be animated really soon!

Cheers,

San
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario General] efjay:
Hi, this looks like a great app. Will it work on other WM5 devices or only the Wizard?
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario General] dreamtheater39:
It works on all wm5 devices (both qvga and vga). Eventually it will have support for even ppc 2k3 OS (it already has, with a couple minor issues which needs fixing).

Best,

San
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario General] SBouri:
dreamtheater39, nice to see the work mate....i recon in time...you could start selling your product once you've nailed everything you want in the first official release
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario General] icecrime:
I really like the idea, and I've just tested the first version on emulator.

My only question is: do you intend to keep this as a standalone application or will it become a today plugin / a full today replacement (like wisbar advance desktop can be) ?

Anyway, I'm looking foward to the next release ! Nice job.
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario General] dreamtheater39:
I dont really think its a good idea to make it as a today screen replacement, mainly because -

1. Since the app must be thumb friendly, it limits the amount of information display

2. There is no space to run a plugin within the app

3. The loadup time of the app is really quick, so its just a matter of 3 seconds away from a click. So you might as well have the today screen as well as the application!

What do you think?

San
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario General] jose_v:
this could be a really nice replacement for the message, task, and appointment items on the today screen though. One line telling you what you have new and another with that appointment radar. potential.

ETA for v.02?
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario General] dreamtheater39:
new message indicator - good idea!

I guess i'd get ample time over the weekend to wrap up v0.2

I guess coming monday would be a good date for anticipating the next realease!

Best,

San
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario General] cizake:
Wow jsut discovered the thread. Trying it now!!

Thanks
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario General] cizake:
I only get Handle Non Valid error.

tried to reboot 5 times. Same error.

Too buggy for now. :roll:

BTW I have a 9100 2.17.7.6 Fre
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario General] icecrime:
From the first page of this post:

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[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario General] cizake:
Sorry :shock:

Bad habbit not to read... :!:
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario General] jsmcdon1:
New Home Screen impressions so far...

Very impressed with your talents and the work you have put into this app. Even more so with the new home screen and calendar radar. It looks very professional and has increased the apps productivity by being clearer and more WM'ish (intuitive).

Keep up the excellent work and I'll send a more detailed experience report to you shortly.

Again, great work. I'm still trying to write "Hello World" :D

Jeffrey
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario General] cizake:
When do you expect v0.2 to be available?
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario General] ZeBoxx:
very nice-looking so far... will this be free? Don't want to jinx it for others if you were planning on making it free, but this could easily catch you money :)

a question about and a suggestion for the 'appointment radar'...

the question: what happens if you have overlapping appointments?

the suggestion: you could make the timescale non-linear - that way events that are going to happen in e.g. an hour will scroll by faster and appear larger, while those further into the future will move slowly and be more condensed (you could easily fit the whole upcoming week on it without losing clarity). A professional video NLE I've worked with used that and it's very easy to work with. Bit more difficult to code though :)
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario General] dreamtheater39:
@jsmcdon1

Thanks Jeff for those sweet words! The home screen has improved much more now since i've changed the fonts and sizes. Will be posting the pre-release build really soon!

@cizake

I'm almost through with a pre-release build. I guess sometime soon (3-4 days from now!) would be when you could expect it ;-)

@ZeBoxx

thanks zeebox!

Well, i started off development when i had a himalaya (xda2) and couldnt get around doing anything without the stylus. I spent almost 3 months working on it, and then dumped it into cold storage......when i got my HTC Universal! :D

I resumed working once again from the past 3-4 months, and have been really sweating it out in perfecting the app! Coming to whether or not the app would be commercial, i guess i'm in a situation where in i could use some money :? so i guess i'd be putting it up on pocketgear or handango for something very cheap though...

I plan to constantly work on this app and upgrade upto insane limits of having everything possible under one single app (from weather info to world time, flight schedules, full fledged info management, journal, business companion to monitor your daily activities, finance software etc.) I have a roadmap with quite some detail already for its expansion, so yes, plans are definitely long term!

Also, i plan to use DirectX as its graphic driver in the upcoming release, to have some high powered graphics. So lets see how it goes!

Talking abt non-linear time scale -

I guess its easy to implement it, but the problem will be in indicating what point on the channel signifies what time, unless i have some calibrated markings on the bottom. Again, there's very little space available to do anything like that :S

Definitely, food for thought....lets see what i could do with this idea nonetheless!

Cheers & thanks everyone for the great support!

San
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario General] icecrime:
Any news on v0.2 ?
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario General] JonTheNiceGuy:
Dual Licences?

Hi there.

Love the look of the app. I've just hard-reset just now, so I've not yet installed it, but as soon as I've finished re-installing my apps, I'll try it out :)

You mentioned that you might put it on Handango for cheapish... how about releasing it under some form of Permissive Licence (e.g. GPL), but also releasing the latest and greatest under a non-permissive licence first. This way, you can create a sourceforge project, and post your latest-1 versions there, including source code, and others can make suggestions on the code, submit back etc. The latest release could go on here, or perhaps on the web page portion of Sourceforge.

You could have bug-reports, to-do lists, mailing lists and forums on there, plus you could solicit donations via that as well... and you could even get new developers to work with you.

If you are not intending to make this your core finance generator (that is, not replacing your job), then you could quite easily set up a thriving community around this work.

If people can see the source code, they can also easily write plugins for it as well :)

If you're not interested in doing this, well... ah well, but if you were, it could be cool :)

Take Care,

Jon "The Nice Guy"
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario General] dreamtheater39:
Re: Dual Licences?

Jon, thanks for sharing your thoughts. Unfortunately, at this point in time i could really do with a little funding (personal issues). However, once i get past that stage where i have no financial needs, i'd definitely consider your suggestion.

Nonetheless, i would soon be releasing libs and headers for writing new plugins and subsystems.

Please check www.the-mavens.com for more details on how you could grab the latest release (v1.0), and thanks very much once again!

best,

San
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario General] jschaff:
Wow, what a metamorphosis from the first beta to this version. Quite an upgrade.

But also WHAT A PRICE! $24.95 for this. TOO MUCH. You know we aren't going to pay that kind of money for this. Even the big software houses charge this for a more comprehensive package like Pocket Breeze.

I hope you are getting more than a couple of bucks per sale.
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario General] SBouri:
$24.95 :x
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario General] dreamtheater39:
well, its a one time buy with free updates life long....thats what i intend rather than charging on every new version....

however, i've applied for a promo code, and should get it in 3-4 days....and i'll pass it here for all the xda-dev guys....should get it at around 14 usds....

best,

San
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario General] jose_v:
In that case, that's a really good deal.
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario General] jschaff:
Agreed. That is more reasonable. Thanks for that consideration for us. It is a very promising app.
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario General] dreamtheater39:
Well, i dropped the price to 15 USDs....should reflect in a day's time...

So hang on for a day ;-)

Do let me know if you think $15 is reasonable or not....else suggest a price from your end!

As i mentioned, i really have no intention of charging on every new version....just intend to keep it plain and simple - a one time buy

EDIT:

At PocketGear.com, its available for 15 USDs right away! Cheers!

Best,

San
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario General] victoradjei:
Well done. If you continue listening, you could have a large following :lol:
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario General] slumpolo:
Any promo for us :lol:
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario General] dreamtheater39:
I guess i've gone as low bro :-(

I get 3odd dollars after all tax cuts and handango keeps their share...

Its a one time buy, i'll make it worth those 15 bucks in the long run, trust me ;-)

Cheers,

San
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario General] jschaff:
No promo needed. $15 is very appropriate. More in line with other PPC software prices.

We will be your main buyers for a while till it gets publicized on other boards like TreoCentral. Be sure to do posts on all the boards you can find.
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario General] dreamtheater39:
I really must thank you for your great support. Please feel free to speak out anything at all you have in mind, I'm all easy going ;-) so anything's cool!

I'm looking at releasing another update after the coming weekend... ;-)

best,

San
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario General] victoradjei:
In that case I will wait for the update before buying :roll:
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario General] dreamtheater39:
Keyboard Effect....need feedback!

Here's a small patch where i need your feedback....

Its a visual aid for the keyboard, check it out and let me know if the basic effect is good, then we could fine tune the colors and visual appeal (will add a skinned button instead of the naked circle ;-))

Also added, fatter hypernode buttons (the other small blue buttons - for example, the first screen you get when you choose "new task")

Cheers,

San
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario General] nmt1978:
in Handago, there are Magic Thumb 1.0 and Magic Thumb Phone Edition -> What is the diffirence between the two versions?
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario General] dreamtheater39:
They are more or less the same, only difference is the Phone edition can send SMS messages too.

However, you could purchase any of the two versions, and the same serial code works for both of them...

best,

San
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario General] dreamtheater39:
New contact picker Interface...

Hey!

Here is the new contact picker interface....let me know what you guys think! You can search for a contact, and directly call/sms/email through a single unified interface now.....what say?

Cheers,

San
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario General] bjevers:
Looks good

I like it. Need to get rid of the comma between first and last names though. I would only put a comma if they are sorted by last then first name.
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario General] dreamtheater39:
Re: Looks good

thanks bjevers...i shall get rid of the commas!

Best,

San
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario General] dreamtheater39:
1.2 almost out!

Hey everybody,

I'm pleased to say that we're almost done with development of the next intermediate version! Here are some of the main upgrades/changes/add-ons -

1. "Message" button has been changed to "Interact" and now consolidates contact searching along with - Dialing(home,work,mobile)/SMS/EMails, with the all new interface!

2. Dialing a contact works with simple thumb friendly icons next to each contact. A single contact-picking screen with all options from dialing to messaging in an easy and intuitive way!

3. The keyboard interface now shows visual highlights for better usability

4. Message account picking interface now refined, looks better and is easier to use.

If you all have any quick features or addons you wish for, now would be the right time to post them :-)

Cheers,

San
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario General] Bacco:
San,

I just downloaded and trying it out. If you're incorporating dialing features, how difficult is it to incorporate caller ID features as well.

I ask that because I, and maybe others, have apps that offer enhanced dialing and caller ID features over he built-in windows caller ID. If both those features can be incorporated into Thumb Magic, then it would be much more complete.

Thanks.
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario General] dreamtheater39:
Thanks Bacco!

What exactly do you mean by caller I'd features? Do you want the app to intercept incoming calls and handle them?

Thanks,

San
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario General] Bacco:
Hi San,

What I mean by caller ID feature is to display the caaler's phone number and a picture if one is attached to that phone number.

Also, I noticed the software has a very memory large foot print. Are there ideas about reducing its memory size?

Thanks San.
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario General] dreamtheater39:
Hi Bacco,

Whats wrong with the default one within the OS?

Regarding the memory footprint, it automatically manages assets, and will ensure that it never crosses 3 megs of mem usage at any given instant. If it does, it starts throwing away some of the low priority resources. However, i do have some optimization plans to bring down the overall size.

Cheers,

San