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[Sony Xperia T, TL, TX, V] weekender90:
Greetings!

I have 9.2.A.0.278 DaRk Experience v1; is it possible to upgrade to 9.2.A.1.199 (stock-based ROM via CWM, not official firmware) without losing personal data (contacts, messages, downloaded apps)?

Or it's necessary to do a clean install.
[Sony Xperia T, TL, TX, V] bruce1x:
you can move/copy all your apps to ext sd. contacts should be saved to your google account not sure about you messages though. I always delete mine.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S 4] TimSykes:
So I hope someone can help me out. I am still having data drop issues. I have tried 3 different ways to get this thing working with no luck. And under mobile networks if I have WCDMA/GSM selected it will drop and auto reconnect, but if I have the LTE one selected once the data drops it will not come back up.

I have re-flashed radios from the different guides on both a 4.2.2 rom and a 4.3 base TW rom. I have fallowed all the guides in the links below.

I am on a 4.3 rom

Bootloader does not list any knox info, so I assume I am on a 4.2.2 bootloader (is there any way to confirm)

Baseband modem 4.4.2 Current (Former 4.3)

LTE is 4.2

I have been fighting with this for the last few weeks and any help to get me out of this connection hell would be awesome.

[GUIDE] 100% KNOX Free 4.3, NO data drops AND call audio! here's how! [Noob friendly]

[ONLY FOR MDL BOOTLOADER] How to use 4.3 MK2 Modem and Retain Sound

[MDL Bootloader Only!] How to flash 4.4.2 NB4 Modem
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] retrogrymlyn:
I believe this has been posted before, but I wanted to bring it back to life.

I received a new phone from Asurion (I'm on Verizon.) today. It came prepacked with MK2.

You can imagine the frustration with this that I had after having AOSP KitKat on my previous GS4, and I'm willing to do just about anything to bring the new one to a firmware in which I can unlock the bootloader.

Anyway, here is the Change.org link: http://www.change.org/petitions/sam...ock-the-bootloader-of-the-verizon-s4-sch-i545

Were only 340 signatures away.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] tshelby73:
Good luck
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] Mistertac:
Well I signed it what the hell. I just don't think they care though.

They're too much into the big picture to care about us folks who want to flash ROMs . they made the dev s4 to address this, I think that's where they will stay. They'll just end up losing people like us as customers as we move to the other carriers that don't lock them down.

Hey I'm with you though... Why not try. Doesn't cost anything.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] retrogrymlyn:
I agree. The big picture is what Samsung cares about the most. (They are turning more and more into Apple everyday.)

However, maybe with a stroke of good luck and 1000 petition signatures...

Sent from my Verizon Galaxy S4
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] swordmastr54:
From what I know its not Samsung its Verizon att etc , if I buy the international version of this phone its bootloader is unlocked somebody correct me if I'm wrong.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] retrogrymlyn:
To be entirely honest, I'm not sure. Although you do sound correct.

However, I'm sure if this petition make 1000 signatures, Change.org would get it sent to the leads of the departments in both companies. It's called CHANGE.org for a reason, and if they weren't to do that, I would be genuinely surprised. I guess we'll just have to get it signed and see what happens! :fingers-crossed:
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] retrogrymlyn:
Also, Knox was created by Samsung either way. Meaning that they technically could come out with a BL unlock, if they really wanted to for Verizon customers. (unless legal issues?)
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] douger1957:
I'm not sure, but I suspect Samsung is looking to expand into a corporate environment where security is king. I can see the possibility of selling unlocked bootloaders to those customers who know the risks involved, but their challenge is to protect the security of their products. I don't know where Blackberry is with the ability to "root" their phones, but when I was on the Storm, all kinds of people were looking to unlock their devices and were stymied by the security measures in place.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] decaturbob:
enterprise clients who represents the single largest bulk of cell phone sales vs those who mod their phones are driving the security for good reason...modders can purchase the dev edition with an unlocked BL if they want to...

safestrap is our option currently and gives us of plenty of choices.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] joshm.1219:
Well of course they could, Samsung does the actual "locking" of course. But it's the carrier that makes them do it.

To be honest 1,000 signatures is a joke compared to millions of enterprise customers.

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[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] Skrazz:
Barack Obama will personally address this issue if we get enough signatures!

Sent from my SCH-I545
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] mike.s:
I'm not signing that. It doesn't even make sense. ITYM "respectfully." And, they're not going to retire a phone because people are not fully satisfied, they retire phones when they don't sell or a newer model comes out.

And why not call it what Verizon calls it - the Samsung Galaxy S4? Do you think some VP keeps track of the phones by model number?
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] joshm.1219:
wrong site lol

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[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] gnubian:
Such writing. Much horrible. Wow. If you want to make a petition you may want to proofread and/or learn the English language first. However, even if the petition was properly worded it would not help to unlock the bootloader any more than me praying for it to be unlocked. Nice try though.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] douger1957:
Not to mention that from a hardware standpoint, this phone is still pretty good a year after its release.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] xxtoxicravenxx:
Funny fact is the verizon rep spoke yesterday to us saying "all of our phones are unlocked and are free to do what you want with them"
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] mike.s:
That's true from a carrier perspective. He was referring to "SIM locks," which prevent a phone from being used on a different carrier. People who've dealt with GSM phones are more familiar with the concept - other than some pre-pay phones, I'm not aware of any US CDMA ones which were ever locked (and they didn't have SIMs, so it's not a true SIM lock, they did it in a different way).
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] decaturbob:
they are unlocked from carrier veiwpoint

again, its enterprise customers which number in the millions vs modders who number in the thousands who drive this.......

if you want to mod a phone, a developer edition is available
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] void4ever:
I'm sorry but I'm completely confused by your attitude toward this. Here you are on the largest modding website known to man and by your post count you've been here for quite a while. Yet you solution is "buy a dev phone".

I guess that might make sense for the devs who are creating roms for the community, but what about there userbase? Are you saying every single person on these boards (with a locked bootloader) should purchase a dev phone? I mean you might as well just close the site at that point because the userbase is going to dwindle, and then you've just got dev's making roms for devs.

I bought this phone, it is now my property and i should have the option to do with it what i please.

I guess I'll have to start buying dev car's and dev computers when i want to make mods to them too with that kind of attitude.

Void4ever
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] Addiso:
It's not about the attitude, it's about not much could be done to get Verizon to side with us in giving us unlocked bootloaders. Up to this day there has not being an unlock for the S4, Note 3, or newly updated S3. With it being so tight the only way to go is to buy a developer edition. User base or not, the answer for a bootloader unlock isn't going to just fall out of the sky the chances only get slimmer by the holes that get patched up from each loophole. Of course I see your side of your case but I also see why he'd say buy have a dev phone or simply jump carriers or a different phone that can be unlocked.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] :
I think your misunderstanding what a developer device is. It's basically an S4 with an unlocked bootloader, making it easy for developers AND the rest to modify the phone. That is the sole purpose of a developer phone. Development happens on a desktop environment and it's product is loaded on a phone. What did you think a dev device was?

If you were to look at it from your point of view, then the consumer phones are only for consumers, the everyday people that don't modify their phone.

The best solution is as what decaturbob said, buy a developer device. It may be a steep price difference but it's a price to pay to play.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] void4ever:
I know exactly what a dev device is but my point still stands.

There are tons of groups on here that have bypassed bootloader locks via exploits or other methods. It's not like the S4 is the first version to ever have something of that nature. Out of the two other phones I've owned that were locked i never once saw someone say, if you want to mod it, get a dev phone. Those groups had some dedicated and very talented people working on there fav device to make it moddable for everyone. Some did it purely for the challenge, some did it because they love to mod and love to share there creations. And all of them I'm sure believe that we should be able to do what we please with our devices without spending crazy amounts of money.

Void4ever
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] decaturbob:
Clearly you dont understand business models or who drives the product....first of all, I knew what I was getting when I got a S4 running ME7 but I heard hashcode was working on safestrap for it which I am running since release. I can can still mod my phone to a point...

2nd of all, a product marketed to a consumer base will be directed to the those groups who are making the largest purchases...in this case, enterprise customers...

3rd, the consumer version of the s4 is price subsidized and warranty clearly states what is samsungs and verizon's responsibillities for the S4 if a consumer wished to customized....they can walk away from it....

4th, a manufacturer retains certain rights and privileges of the product no matter who owns it as long as a warranty situation is involved...

now my gripe is simple, why not allow a S4 owner full rights to unlocked bootloader after warranty period is up? At this point there really is no longer a financial responsibility on Samsung/Verizon part. Lets us be able to trip knox or whatever and carry on.....

to me that is a more effective argument to samsung and verizon than just plain whining about a locked bootloader.

after warranty is up, lets have it unlocked. Samsung/verizon could sell that to alot of S4 people.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] Addiso:
We can't simply mod a consumer phone anymore without going to a developer phone, that's the whole point. I'm positive that if this bootloader was unlocked there would have been way more mods/talented people on this phone but without a unlock there is only so much that can modded; not everyone is still on the loki bypass.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] joshm.1219:
I think you're confused as to what [MENTION=3882268]decaturbob[/MENTION] meant. He's not advocating that the only way to get an unlocked boot loader is to buy a developer edition is "right", just that's it's the reality.

All of the successes we've had in unlocking countless of phones in the past is completely irrelevant. This device has the biggest boot loader unlock bounty I've seen. It's been like 9 or 10 months with no solution. It's not that people are giving up it's just that it's gotten a lot harder to hack a boot loader.

The reality is that if a device with a $5,000 bounty hasn't had a solution in 10 months, then a developer device could be the only way to get a truly unlocked boot loader going forward.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] tech_head:
Samsung worked with General Dynamics and the NSA to get the bootloader locked down like this.

The General Dynamic Sectera Edge is a secure phone based on Windows CE/Mobile.

They needed a modern platform and teamed up with Samsung.

Unless there is signing key leak, then there is no hack and I suggest that we all buy something else on the next go around.

Samsung is claiming this is a BYOD solution (KNOX and the secure boot), but most people don't need it for BYOD.

The company must buy additional software/hardware to do device management on an approved Samsung platform. This is not likely to happen at most companies.

Samsung could have taken an approach to secure devices than needed it and leave others alone.

They could have shipped all phones with normal bootloaders and had people do an OTA to lock the phone down.

Genral Dynamics proposed just that, you request a secure implementation and once that is done, you don't go back.

It's amazing that Samsung, who gained popularity from the dev community would throw the same community under the bus.

Why does tripping KNOX void the hardware warranty when you may not have done anything the permanently alter the device?

My next device will be something other than Samsung. No Samsung devices in my house.

They are now the most customer/dev hostile device company that I know of. Even Apple with jail breaking is not this bad.

You jail break your phone, not problem. make sure it is stock when you go into the store for help.

Uckf Samsung.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] :
Samsung worked with General Dynamics and the NSA to get the bootloader locked down like this.

The General Dynamic Sectera Edge is a secure phone based on Windows CE/Mobile.

They needed a modern platform and teamed up with Samsung.

Unless there is signing key leak, then there is no hack and I suggest that we all buy something else on the next go around.

Samsung is claiming this is a BYOD solution (KNOX and the secure boot), but most people don't need it for BYOD.

The company must buy additional software/hardware to do device management on an approved Samsung platform. This is not likely to happen at most companies.

Samsung could have taken an approach to secure devices than needed it and leave others alone.

They could have shipped all phones with normal bootloaders and had people do an OTA to lock the phone down.

Genral Dynamics proposed just that, you request a secure implementation and once that is done, you don't go back.

It's amazing that Samsung, who gained popularity from the dev community would throw the same community under the bus.

Why does tripping KNOX void the hardware warranty when you may not have done anything the permanently alter the device?

My next device will be something other than Samsung. No Samsung devices in my house.

They are now the most customer/dev hostile device company that I know of. Even Apple with jail breaking is not this bad.

You jail break your phone, not problem. make sure it is stock when you go into the store for help.

Uckf Samsung.[/QUOTE]

So in a nutshell, why do you think samsung has implemented such levels of security on this phone?

I personally think it was a very smart move to offer a secured phone and an open phone. That way, you have a phone to cater to each population. When samsung announced this phone, they didn't advertise "unlocked bootloader". This means everyone purchasing it should have known what they were getting into. You can't be mad at a company for working on it's security and then being more upset that it can't be hacked/exploited. Motorola does the same thing with using consumer vs developer devices.

We can only say and reason as to why a company does something, facing reality is the truth. We may sound like we work for Samsung or verizon by promoting a developer device, but it's the truth. If you want an unlocked bootloader, buy a developer device. I'm not going to be biased towards development as I'm looking at both sides. We're not forced to buy any device, so I'm not sure why the hatred towards samsung or verizon.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] brandonair95:
Should just make a petition for the Galaxy S5's boot loader to stay unlocked or at least unlockable. Galaxy S4 support will be almost half of what it is now come April 11th
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] Surge1223:
I think those of us pissed at verizon/Samsung are of the mindset that the developer edition of this phone is the equivalent of the normally offered S4 on sprint, tmobile and the international i9505. I guess we're just bitter the way they treated the Verizon and AT&T communities so we hold both Samsung and Verizon/AT&T accountable for that. Its kind of crappy to call the norm for an s4 on other carriers (tmo, sprint etc) a developer edition on vzw and AT&T. The hatred towards Samsung and Verizon stems from that.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] Mistertac:
It certainly works nicely on say a Sprint S4. Knox is flagged once you root/install custom recovery.... No more secure Knox container. Done deal.... But we have to spend whatever it is now $600 or so to get a Verizon S4 that can accidentally be relocked.... Not that anyone on here has ever done that

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[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] tech_head:
Sorry but KNOX was a feature/plague that was introduced in an OTA without warning that it was going to add a flag that if tripped would void the warranty.

They did not indicate that they would be from now on signing the bootloader with SHA256.

Check you facts, Motorola doesn't void the warranty on a device because you ROMed it. Put it back stock and they will have no problem helping you. Thei policy was announced late last year.

Samsung could have secured devices in the "SAFE" program and left those that don't need it, without the crazy bootloader restrictions.

If you need it, it's a one way trip.

But what they did was forces it on everybody and that was their decision.

I know how to vote with my dollars. They won't get another dime for their devices from me.

I've bought a few, won't buy any additional. Will that hurt them? Probably not unless other people do the same.

On principal I don't eat at Denny's for more than 20 years now.

As long as I live, unless under duress, I won't go into one due to what happened when I was in my 20's.

Samsung is in the same boat with Denny's and Walmart for me. I won't patronize them.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] Mistertac:
I'm with you there man... This probably will be my last Verizon phone when the time comes for me to make a switch.

And no Walmart???, I'm not sure I could miss out on the deals nor the people watching. It's second to none.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] tech_head:
Bad experience with Walmart. Also when Sam was in charge they treated their employees differently. Now for his family, it about the billions. I refuse to make them richer while my tax dollars subsidize the employees with public assistance. Walmart employees got more than $15 billion in public assistance while Walmart made billions. I'd rather pay for my goods up front and not through tax subsidies and public assistance programs for the Walmart employees. So for me, no Walmart.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] Mistertac:
When you put it that way... It pisses me off too lol

Crazy world we live in
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] extramarganza:
This is just over a 100 away. Let's get some more traction on this thread!
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] Oishikatta:
Unfortunately that's still about 99,900 short of being barely noteworthy.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] jtio21:
I just signed every phone since after the rezound has been locked down by Verizon and I am about sick of it.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] ConnorWGarvey:
Don't renew your contract

I don't know what I was thinking when I signed up with Verizon. I had forgotten how anti-consumer they are. I'll be petitioning with my wallet by not renewing my contract and going to another carrier and phone manufacturer.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] ayemiller:
There are dev editions of the brand new s5....Verizon certainly does not make it easy to get unlocked devices, but if you do a small amount of homework, you can enjoy unlocked bootloaders on verizon.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] jwhistler:
The solution to this is, of course, do not buy another Samsung phone and, if at all possible, leave the Verizon subscriber role.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] Chad85:
So whats official signature count currently as of may 7, 2014?
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] Hashbang173:
http://www.change.org/petitions/sam...ock-the-bootloader-of-the-verizon-s4-sch-i545

looks like 25 more to go!!!!
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] Recon Squirrel:
make that 24!!!!!
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] asharad:
20
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] ffchampmt:
+1

@ 985 signatures

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[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] atharwaqas:
only 3 more to go

Guys, only 3 more sigs and we are there. I am not too confident what Verizon would do but its worth the shot..
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] mike.s:
3 away from being completely ignored. Whoopee! :victory:
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] douger1957:
Yeppers.

The modding community is minuscule compared to corporate purchasing departments. A developer's edition is available as a nod to modders.

It would be wise to temper expectations.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] Hashbang173:
Just 2 more!
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] caniswesley:
Not that it will do any good, but: +1

There is just one slot remaining.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] joshm.1219:
I signed, this petition is still stupid.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] Hashbang173:
Ok we have a 1002 now, why does it now say 498 needed now?
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] ffchampmt:
So change.org can spam you. I got 3 emails today!? Tell your friends!

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[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] droid4lif3:
I signed it as well hopefully we can unlock the bootloader, I just got the phone and I didn't even know it had a locked bootloader. This really sucks because I paid full price for the phone and it is mine I should be able to do whatever I want with it.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] joshm.1219:
Damn should've done your research before you paid full price. You could've gotten a Dev edition for the same price with an unlocked boot loader. Or you could've gotten a used Dev edition or MDK phone on Swappa for $300-$350.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] douger1957:
And with the spring release of newer phones...hello S5 and One M8... that price should be dropping soon.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] Oishikatta:
If you're within the return period, you might consider returning it.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] TTLayland:
These need to stop being device specific.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] mike.s:
They need to be realistic - more like "Please offer developer phones with subsidies." They're simply not going to make standard phone offerings less secure. Most customers don't care, and large sources of revenue (enterprises) want the additional security.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] tshelby73:
Knox is pointless for business as my business only use iphone

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[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] joshm.1219:
And your business is the only business there is, so obviously no other business people use Android
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] tshelby73:
I guess some may use Android but most company's stay with one device makes their tech support easier. Just like all the computer's stay on the same operating system. Their seem to be more iPhone in the wild so that's what most company's use. We used to bring our own device now they just issue us iphones.

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[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] joshm.1219:
Of course it's easier to use one device, my friend's company issued them all S4's not a multitude of different Android devices. I just don't understand the point you were trying to make? I think you got yourself a little confused. Why would Knox be "pointless" because most businesses use iphones? Samsung invented Knox exactly for that reason, to try to gain enterprise customers.