yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S 4] pyrator:
Is there a flashable (CWM) Stock 4.4 Rooted rom? I have looked and havent seen one. Anyone know of one being worked on? 2 Simple reasons i ask, wifi calling and 4.4.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S 4] ddizzy81:
None as I know of. I think its because the full firmware has yet to be released
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S 4] elesbb:
Gotta wait till someone who has taken the official update to do a system pull or wait until sammobile has the firmware available. (I'm waiting for the latter :P )
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario Accessories] rob61280:
http://www.pdamods.com/proddetail.asp?prod=KJAMPRBL

any one have this case?

it looks good and you can possibly use the keyboard while still in the case.

R
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario Accessories] toho:
No, I don't but...

I would suggest that you could not use the keyboard whilst in the case as it would not slide out easily, I have got myself one of the PDAir cases which are the only ones that I have found so far that allow you to use the keyboard whist still in the case, there are 2 types to the best of my knowledge, one is a flip type "Leather Case for XDA Mini Pro/XDA Mini S/MDA IV/imate K-Jam/Qtek 9100/HTC Wizard/Orange SPV M6000 - Flip Type (Black)" and the other is a book type " Leather Case for XDA Mini Pro/XDA Mini S/MDA IV/imate K-Jam/Qtek 9100/HTC Wizard/Orange SPV M6000 - Book Type (Black)" they can both be found on the PDAir Website http://www.pdair.com/welcome.php

As a sidenote I have a unopened flip case that my wife bought me, so if you want a bargain then you can have it for a tenner & postage costs.
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario Accessories] jasvinder:
Case which allows keyboard use and cradle dock

Looking for a case that i can keep on the fone even when it is docked in the cradle.

can i do that with the case you have mentioned.

Jass
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario Accessories] jesseramos:
Here's one that can be used with a cradle. Can't use the keyboard with it on, though.

http://www.thepocketsolution.com/Me...egory_Code=mda_iv_accessories&Product_Count=8
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario Accessories] jesseramos:
double post.
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] eg4am1:
Hi

I got my nexus 5 last year around December. I live in UK but got the phone from USA. I have loved it to bits until last week when all of a sudden my network reception indoor has gone almost zero actually mostly I am on emergency calls.

I face this issue at work and also at home, I had tried the following steps to troubleshoot the issue but no luck at all.

1) My colleague at work has the same phone as me and is on the same network as me (EE uk) So I tried my sim in his phone and his in mine. With my sim in his phone he got decent reception almost 4 bars whereas his sim card in my phone produces the same disappointing results, Zero network reception and emergency call. This obviously proved that something is wrong with the phone.

2) I unlocked and rooted the device and tried all the modem versions out there for nexus 5 and no luck with the reception.

3) I installed a custom ROM hoping this might solve the issue but again I was left disappointed.

4) I flashed stock and unrooted the device and downgraded the 4.4.2 to 4.4.0 hoping maybe if the new sw version caused this issue it should revert back, but again nothing.

5) I have now oem locked the device back to original state with 4.4.2 on it

6) I rang google UK and the guys was very helpful but useless at the same time as he asked me to take the sim card out give it a wipe all the basic troubleshooting I tried already. He then mentioned as I got the phone from US he can't help me with a replacement and the phone will have to be dealt with US google. He asked me to call LG UK as they should cover worldwide warranty.

So I rang LG UK and got more or less the same answer from them as they also only cover UK bought devices.

I have run out of ideas and I can't seem to find a fault in the software of the phone, I get decent signal strength outside my house and only struggle indoors. I would greatly appreciate some help with this.

Thanks in advance

Asim
[Sony Ericsson Xperia Neo, Pro] Fragmentos:
​

About​

​

Rom Features​

Based on Official 587 frimware

For Both Bootloader

Pre-rooted

Fully Odexed

Init.d support

Seeder

Tweaked

Removed junk apps

Fully working download music info for unlocked boot loader

Very Smooth and fast

Adreno JB GPU libs

SmoothScroll

Advanced Power Menu

Fully working Theme Accent Changer

Xperia Z1 Framework

30 step volume all menu

Xperia Z1 Themed

Animated Check Box

Xperia Z1 Animations

Xperia Z1 System UI

Xperia Z1 like Settings app

Xperia Z1 like lockscreen

Xperia Z Messaging app

Xperia Z1 Phone book

Xperia Z1 Album

Xperia Z Walkman

Xperia Z Movies

Xperia Z1 Launcher and widgets

Xperia Z1 keyboard

Xperia Z like callscreen

Cyber-Shot Camera Mod

Bugs​

you tell me!!!

Help​

This rom is the result of hours of moding/theming and etc so If you like our work & our ROM then please Support us with hiting the thanks button and rate our topic five star.

XDA:DevDB Information

The Awesome™ ROM for Neo, ROM for the Sony Ericsson Xperia Neo

Contributors

poria1999

ROM OS Version: 4.0.x Ice Cream Sandwich

ROM Kernel: Linux 2.6.x

Version Information

Status: Stable

Current Stable Version: 2.S

Created 2014-03-11

Last Updated 2014-07-05
[Sony Ericsson Xperia Neo, Pro] Fragmentos:
CREDITS ,Change Log & Download

Download

Please note before downloading

Read the installation instructions above first.

Please do not mirror my download links. If links are down, please tell me and I will mirror.

You are not allowed to use any part of my rom in your roms.

BLACK VERSION 2.S:

http://expressleech.com/jb5whnlg07p7.html

WHITE VERSION 2.S:

http://expressleech.com/qeag6cvo3jze.html

​

CREDITS

[MENTION=4551527].MoHaMaD[/MENTION]

[MENTION=4989501]sean.paul[/MENTION]

[MENTION=5078388]BDFreak[/MENTION]

[MENTION=4879131]Saqib Nazm[/MENTION]

[MENTION=4501630]DdcCabuslay[/MENTION] [MENTION=4871229]Alex_rac[/MENTION]

and everyone who helped me.... :)

if you think you should be here plz pm me :good:​
[Sony Ericsson Xperia Neo, Pro] Alisoofi:
looks beautiful Rom

try it as soon as possible
[Sony Ericsson Xperia Neo, Pro] Anang_Galih:
Nice sir. Downloading it ;)
[Sony Ericsson Xperia Neo, Pro] Spekk:
Hanging on part ll

Keeps hanging on part ll (while "unmounting" is on screen)
[Sony Ericsson Xperia Neo, Pro] tahassadi:
wait for 5 to 8 minutes on the unmounting screen the execution will start automatically as it takes time for odexing the rom.

hit thanks if it helped:)
[Sony Ericsson Xperia Neo, Pro] sean.paul:
great job bro

and thank u for credit

موفق باشی

good luck
[Sony Ericsson Xperia Neo, Pro] classicmixup:
Greatest and fastest ICS Rom ever....Only problem i face is in some cases text is not visible clearly as it is mixed with background...otherwise flawless
[Sony Ericsson Xperia Neo, Pro] classicmixup:
Like this
[Sony Ericsson Xperia Neo, Pro] pioloo:
Hi! Great rom. :)

It has only some FC, I hope solved in next version. :)

- Expecially in calendar it is a problem, sometime doesn't do notifications. Can I change the calendar app with an other only changing the .apk in /system/app??

- Other problem: after installing all my apps, every time I reboot the phone do the "Android Upgrade", and is more slow, any solution?

Thanks! :)

Xperia NEO

Suave Kernel v6
[Sony Ericsson Xperia Neo, Pro] pioloo:
There will be new versions/updates of this rom or this is the only?

Thanks! :)
[Sony Ericsson Xperia Neo, Pro] hamid-sp3:
New update is coming soon...
[Sony Ericsson Xperia Neo, Pro] Kusai Ghadiyali:
Will this Rom work for neo L?? :confused:
[Sony Ericsson Xperia Neo, Pro] hamid-sp3:
No, I'm surry :(
[Sony Ericsson Xperia Neo, Pro] haovpi:
Bro, when will new update be released? :rolleyes:
[Sony Ericsson Xperia Neo, Pro] haovpi:
It has Worked perfectly so far. Only a little bug found, I can't import contact file (.vcf) from SDcard. Any solution? :cool:
[Sony Ericsson Xperia Neo, Pro] Mehrdad32:
Found another bug, CPU Setting in Advance section did not work and show FC.

ممنون و خسته نباشید ویژه بخاطر این رام زیبا
[Sony Ericsson Xperia Neo, Pro] RazOne:
I can't install it... i install the first part..it boots..after i install the second part..black screen.....

---------- Post added at 05:26 PM ---------- Previous post was at 05:10 PM ----------

I installed it but i cant even go on desktop.only force closes..
[Sony Ericsson Xperia Neo, Pro] grizzlyspid86:
How to download it? The link keeps showing ads and download the wrong file.. :confused::confused::confused:
[Sony Ericsson Xperia Neo, Pro] :
select free download then enter the capcha and then select creat download link! Done! :)
[Sony Ericsson Xperia Neo, Pro] epicsilence:
Your download links have expired, if you make it available,it would be 1 guaranteed download for sure:cool::cool::cool:
[Sony Ericsson Xperia Neo, Pro] :
Hi.

i actually do not have prepared network connection this days.

becuz of it i asked if someone has it upload it for the other guys(http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=54818036&postcount=186)

im so sorry anyway. :\
[Sony Ericsson Xperia Neo, Pro] Mehrdad32:
Hi all and thanks to this ROM :)

I upload last version in dev host. White: http://d-h.st/ffY , Black: No_File!

Try to rename file before installing, Cause ™ may appear error in some CWM...

Note to Poria:

ممنون پوریای عزیز رام رو دانلود کردم عالی بود ولی طرح سفیدش بالا برای آنتن و اینا اذیت می کنه! نمی شه به تم اندروید 4.3 فابریک سونی که الان روی گوشی ها هست و به هونامی هم مشهور هست بشه؟ مثل اسکرین شات نسخه های اول؟ موردی برای تست بود توی پیغام باهام در ارتباط باش رفیق
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy Note 3] diegots:
yesterday i can install xnote 12 in my n900t

easy steps

install visiox x rom based nb7

config ( finish initial set up )

(philpz recovery)

install zip

uncheck option - don´t allow old update-binary

choose zip from....

select x note 12

enjoy

sorry for my english

i am used xnote 12 port of note 3 att

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=2654992

only flash x note port.zip
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy Note 3] scalleysthename:
Did you have to use a kk kernel?
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy Note 3] chuko303:
Of course. I don't see the the install instructions are revelant
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy Note 3] diegots:
sorry after install xnote , install civkernel
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy Note 3] marcviado:
Not trying to be an asshole but i don't see why people keep posting threads like this.. Yes the T-Mobile note 3 can flash international ROMs.. All you need is a kk supported recovery which should be the latest one out,WiFi/Bluetooth fix.zip and the proper kernal. That's pretty much it..
[General Questions and Answers] Alfred Doyle:
Hi there,

I just recently get this devices with a soft-brick, when pass the Carrier Logo (actually YOIGO) it gets into a blank screen and doesn't load the Android O.S.

I only can turn into fasboot during this device has not recovery mode (it's just a quite simple wipe menu). I downloaded a "Stock Rom" for him and flashed via Fasboot (Boot+system+recovery) but after reboot, nothing happens, it still having the same error.

What's the problem? any solution? I'm not expert at android but not noob at all.

Thanks
[Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] GameX2:
Hi,

I am trying to fix a faulty device, which bootloop very frequently, due to a faulty kernel / audio driver. I've found the problem checking logcats, as well as logcats during the boot sequence.

If anyone know how to fix the audio driver, here's the thread: http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?p=50961786

I would like to access ADB from this device, this might help, but I cannot get the device detected at all.

USB debugging is definitely enabled, and the device driver is also installed (Not even sure if I had to install a driver for this 2011 device in first place. Device is detected by computer without a problem).

If I type:

adb devices

The output is just: "List of devices attached" with a blank line.

If I try:

adb shell

This show up:

error: device not found

I can tell that ADB is working for another device - I had a LG-P500, and ADB is succesfully working for this phone.

The faulty device is a Creative ZEN Touch 2, but the name won't be of any help. Let's just pretend it's a generic Android device (Even thought no such Android exists) and forget about the name. The ROM installed on it (Froyo, 2.2.1) was customized by Creative, the manufacturer, since it's not a phone, just a multimedia device.

I was wondering if Creative "blocked" any access to ADB, if that's possible. I do know that Creative "does not encourage self-repair", according to the forums.

I also tried ADB wireless, I pressed the grey button that turned green, and then typed adb connect xxx.xxx.x.108 (IP). On the shell, I got the error:

unable to connect to xxx.xxx.x.108:5555

Altought I wasn't able to connect wirelessly to ADB using my LG phone, neither.

On the ZEN Touch 2, I found the file default.prop, which contain this:

#
# ADDITIONAL_DEFAULT_PROPERTIES
#
ro.secure=1
ro.allow.mock.location=0
ro.debuggable=0
persist.service.adb.enable=0

I honnestly don't know what the default.prop file is about, but I was wondering if the line "persist.service.adb.enable" being equal to 0 / false, could block the access to ADB shell, in some way (if that's possible).

I've read that this file is hard to modify, other than flash a new boot image.

What could I do to access ADB on this device ? Yes, the device is rooted.

EDIT: I have access to a Linux operating system, if that can make the detection easier. Although I do not have ADB installed on this OS, yet.

Thank you
[Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] lion567:
You should edit default.prop in this way

ro.secure=1
ro.allow.mock.location=0
ro.debuggable=1
persist.sys.usb.config=mass_storage,adb
persist.service.adb.enable=1

Also you should look through your /init.rc for lines like this

service adbd /sbin/adbd recovery
disabled
socket adbd stream 660 system system

# Always start adbd on userdebug and eng builds
on property:ro.debuggable=1
write /sys/class/android_usb/android0/enable 1
start adbd
setprop service.adb.root 1

# Restart adbd so it can run as root
on property:service.adb.root=1
write /sys/class/android_usb/android0/enable 0
restart adbd
write /sys/class/android_usb/android0/enable 1

And also you should have adbd binary in /sbin

C:\1\MtkDroidTools2.5.3\adb>adb shell
root@android:/ # ls -al /sbin/adbd
ls -al /sbin/adbd
-rwxr-x--- root root 141212 2013-09-27 14:37 adbd
root@android:/ #
[Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] lion567:
You does already have commands for starting adbd in your init.rc. Here they are.

# adbd is controlled by the [B]persist.service.adb.enable[/B] system property
service adbd /sbin/adbd
user root
group root
disabled

# adbd on at boot in emulator
#on property:ro.kernel.qemu=1
# start adbd

on property:persist.service.adb.enable=1
start adbd

on property:persist.service.adb.enable=0
stop adbd

You have to change

persist.service.adb.enable=1

in your deafult.prop and add (or change if alredy exist) for USB adb connection

persist.sys.usb.config=mass_storage,adb

And yes, to modify your default.prop file you have to unpack your boot.img, edit the file, then pack it back and flash modified boot.img to your device.
[Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] GameX2:
Thank you, I will do that.

I already dumped my ROM with romdump, but I don't have my boot.img yet. I will do ressearch on how to back it up.

I have a problem related to this, I'm not sure if I'll be able to restore it, as it's currently impossible to flash ClockworkMod to this device (No image exist. Same for custom ROMs).

The only thing I have, is Android Recovery 3e, which does not support by default flashing unsigned update.zip. I did applied a patch here, which is supposed to bypass this limitation, but have not tested it yet.

So I should have my boot.img packed as a update.zip, I believe, then give it a try, and flash it through Android Recovery 3e ?
[Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] lion567:
Different devices have different ROM layout, you shoud try to find more infirmation about it.

IMHO the easiest way to get image of your boot partition is via dd. You should have busybox and terminal emulator installed on device to do this:

root@android:/ # dd if=/dev/bootimg of=/mnt/sdcard/boot.img bs=<your boot size> count=1

Yes of course you may create update.zip for flashing new boot.img, but you have to sing it, AFAIK stock recovery check update.zip signature before flashing it.
[Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] GameX2:
There is hardly any way to get more information/help on this device, that's the sad thing. You just have to try according to your Android experience, without relying much on external help.

I will check for dd to dump the partition, as well as the boot size (Boot size of boot.img, most probably), the device is rooted so has busybox and a terminal emulator as well.

Creating an update.zip might be the only way I have to flash it back in, tell me if I'm wrong. Since I can't install CWM without compiling a custom one for my device (Never done that before), I just have access to Android Recovery 3e. You're right, I does check the signature, and block it for most of the files.

I've done this, which is supposed to bypass the signature check. I have not tested the flashing, but Android Recovery 3e was not damaged and is still accessible.

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?p=10624454#post10624454

Will keep you updated, thanks.
[Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] lion567:
For dd command you should use full size of boot partition or partition, where boot ramdisk lives (on some devices it can live separately from kernel). And corresponding device file (eg /dev/bootimg in my example).

If you succeed with boot.img dump via dd, you could use the same dd command, swapping if = and of= files, like this

dd if=/mnt/sdcard/new-boot.img of=/dev/bootimg bs=<size of boot partition> count=1

In this case "bs=<size of boot partition> count=1" protect you from overwriting data in partition next to bootimg in case new-boot.img exceeds the size of boot partition.

By the way, you can look in /system/build.prop file to find some information about device.

Does any ROM flashing tool exist for this device, like ODIN for Samsung, NVFlash for Tegra devices and SP FlashTool for MTK devices?
[Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] GameX2:
Thanks;

I'm trying to find the size of my /Boot partition, for now. Here's the terminal output of cat /proc/partitions:

$cat /proc/mtd
dev: size erasesize name
$cat /proc/partitions
major minor #blocks name

179 0 7815168 mmcblk0
179 1 4309200 mmcblk0p1
179 2 154035 mmcblk0p2
179 3 1 mmcblk0p3
179 4 10395 mmcblk0p4
179 5 3145873 mmcblk0p5
179 6 41076 mmcblk0p6
$

According to the app "Storage Analyser", I would have these partitions visibles:

/sdcard : 4.1 GB total (Internal storage);

/system: 128.68 MB total;

/data: 2.95GB total;

/cache (No info, but I assume there is one!);

And /boot, which I don't know where it's located yet.

Just a guess, the partitition 179 3 1 mmcblk0p3 might refer to /extsd. Note that the ZEN Touch 2 has an internal storage, which is /sdcard, and also an external slot for a microSD card (being /extsd). Which I believe, would make sense that the 1MB partition would be /extsd (I have no external SD card inserted at this point).

I noted a few SPECs from the device, in Elixir, myself:

ARMv7 Processor rev 5 )v7l) 800MHz (200 MHz-800 MHz)

Android ID : 65d3e923b8b46272

Model number: Creative Earlgrey 2.2.1

Kernel: SDK 8 Linux Version 2.6.31

Here's the build.prop file:

# begin build properties
# autogenerated by buildinfo.sh
ro.build.id=FRF85B
ro.build.display.id=FRF85B
ro.build.version.incremental=eng.20110408.110506
ro.build.version.sdk=8
ro.build.version.codename=REL
ro.build.version.release=2.2.1
ro.build.date=Fri Apr 8 11:15:22 HKT 2011
ro.build.date.utc=1302232522
ro.build.type=user
ro.build.user=Creative
ro.build.host=localhost.localdomain
ro.build.tags=test-keys
ro.product.model=earlgrey
ro.product.brand=Creative
ro.product.name=earlgrey
ro.product.device=earlgrey
ro.product.board=earlgrey
ro.product.cpu.abi=armeabi-v7a
ro.product.cpu.abi2=armeabi
ro.product.manufacturer=Creative
ro.product.locale.language=en
ro.product.locale.region=US
ro.wifi.channels=
ro.board.platform=earlgrey
# ro.build.product is obsolete; use ro.product.device
ro.build.product=earlgrey
# Do not try to parse ro.build.description or .fingerprint
ro.build.description=earlgrey-user 2.2.1 FRF85B eng.20110408.110506 test-keys
ro.build.fingerprint=Creative/earlgrey/earlgrey/earlgrey:2.2.1/FRF85B/eng.20110408.110506:user/test-keys
# end build properties
#
# system.prop for ZEN Touch 2
#
# density in DPI of the LCD of this board. This is used to scale the UI
# appropriately. If this property is not defined, the default value is 160 dpi.
ro.sf.lcd_density = 160

#
# ADDITIONAL_BUILD_PROPERTIES
#
dalvik.vm.heapsize=32m
dalvik.vm.checkjni=false
net.bt.name=Android
dalvik.vm.stack-trace-file=/data/anr/traces.txt

I never used ODIN, but I can tell that ROM Manager is useless, because the device is unlisted - officially, no ROM flashing tool was developped at all, for this specific device. I've checked, usually all those who ask these questions never got replies.

Thank for the help, I appreciate it.
[Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] lion567:
Try to look for /proc/dumchar_info file. If it exist, you coud find useful information in it about partitions on device. But it specific to MTK platform. If you don't find it, look for /proc/emmc.

Also look in /proc/cpuinfo for CPU information.

As for ODINand others - i asked about desktop flash tool for Windows, which can be used to flash device via USB cabel. And ROM Manager is Android tool.
[Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] GameX2:
Both the files /proc/dumchar_info and /proc/emmc doesn't exists - but here's the contain of /proc/cpuinfo:

Processor	: ARMv7 Processor rev 5 (v7l)
BogoMIPS	: 799.53
Features	: swp half thumb fastmult vfp edsp neon vfpv3
CPU implementer	: 0x41
CPU architecture: 7
CPU variant	: 0x2
CPU part	: 0xc08
CPU revision	: 5

Hardware	: ZEN Touch 2
Revision	: 51030
Serial	: 0000000000000000

Using the app "DiskInfo", I believe I've found which partition was /Boot. Here's what I see:

SD Card:

Mount points: /mnt/sdcard, /mnt/secure/asec

Partition name: mmcblk0p1

Total Space: 4.1GB

System:

Mount point: /system (ext4)

Partition Name: mmcblk0p2

Total Space: 128MB (17,8MB free. Is that too low for a normal device usage?)

???: (I assume this is /sdext)

Not mounted;

Partition name: mmcblk0p3

Total space: 1KB

???: (Is this /Boot ? )

Not mounted;

Partition name: mmcblk0p4

Total space: 10,2MB

Data:

Mount point: /data (ext4)

Partition name: mmcblk0p5

Total space: 3GB (2,6GB free)

Cache:

Mount point: /cache (ext4)

Partition name: mmcblk0p6

Total space: 38,7MB (32,3 MB free)

TMPFS MOUNT POINTS:

/dev: Total space: 91,6MB, 12KB used

/mnt/asec: Total space: 91,6MB, 0KB used

/mnt/shm: Total space: 1MB, used: 20KB

/factory: Total space: 128KB, used: 64KB

/mnt/sdcard/.android_secure: Unknow size

***

Using this information, I guess /Boot is mmcblk0p4 ?
[Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] lion567:
May be yes. Try to dump it and unpack. If you succeded - then you are right.

But there can be different varianrs, some SoC manufactures put all non-mountable partitions, such as preloader, nvram, uboot, boot and recovery, in single partition mmcblk0p0.

It seems, that your device built on Creative's own SoC with non-standart NAND partitioning.

Here you can find info about unpacking

http://android-dls.com/wiki/index.php?title=HOWTO:_Unpack,_Edit,_and_Re-Pack_Boot_Images

or here together with scripts

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=443994
[Huawei Ascend P6, Mate] AmbientGhe:
Hey I'm wanting to get my P6 back to warranty standards or as close as (reselling).

I've unlocked its bootloader, rooted the device, and uninstalled bloatware without backup (I don't mind if they don't get reinstalled but nts if it would effect anything) I can't be sure if a custom recovery was installed or not but I haven't installed any ROM's.

I just need the procedure's and I'll google the rest, thanks