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[Asus Transformer TF700] butcherbird:
I hear ya. I've already sworn off ASUS ... until I hear consistent, excellent USER feedback about any future device I'd consider.
[Asus Transformer TF700] johnlgalt:
This. I did a good bit of research, but when I went to buy my TF700 there was very little info about the internal i/o issues. I had never owned a previous ASUS device but had seen all of those issues, but it seemed that the issues were always treated as "all the previous issues from the TF series are fixed in the TF700".

Having seen sbdags' report on the power of the TF701, I'm sorely tempted to get that device, but since it is going to be a while before I get one, I'll definitely be checking out the competition. But I ma just like you - I am absolutely addicted to the (TF Series) dock and the battery in it....

I am not sure you'll ever have consistent excellent USER feedback (though you may have a consistent majority of positive user reviews) - there are always going to be people who do not like a device for whatever reason. I'm like that regarding iOS-based devices - never gonna own one. No matter how good a device is from crapple, I'll never own one - I would have in the past gone with a Mac as an additional machine, but now that I can do Hackintoshs, I'll never buy a mac.

In the past I've been the same way about Samsung as well, but as it is coming time for a new phone, I might have no choice but to look into a Sammy for a phone...but I have not researched phones in so long, I have no real clue what a good powerful phone is anymore lol.
[Asus Transformer TF700] butcherbird:
If you're cool with stock KitKat with added apps that will eventually be copied by others, check out the moto x. I know it has a rap for being underpowered, but this phone is easily the best smartphone I've had yet. If my X breaks tomorrow, I'm buying another one at motomaker.com within the hour. :)
[Asus Transformer TF700] johnlgalt:
I was actually watching that pretty heavily over at DroidRZR last year when it was in development. I'm pissed the Google turned around and sold MotoMobi out after grabbing only the patents, because I really thought that Google + MotoMobi was going to be a total win situation, hands down, in spite of some info I found out about MotoMobi....

And this time I'm getting a dev edition lol....
[Asus Transformer TF700] butcherbird:
Moto X comes in Dev edition, too. :) Anyway, just my 2 pennies worth. Have fun picking a new phone, [MENTION=2155137]johnlgalt[/MENTION] !
[Asus Transformer TF700] pouldam:
I am well aware that the dock is no where near as functional as on our Transformer, but I still think this new Lenovo tablet (and matching keyboard) does look interesting. I do not know how the processor fares against our TF700s though...

Search for this on YouTube to see a short presentation of the device and dock (I am not allowed to post links): MWC 2014 Lenovo Yoga Tablet 10 HD+
[Asus Transformer TF700] johnlgalt:
The only Android SmartPhones I've had are the:

Motorola DROID (OG)

Motorola Droid BIONIC (current)

I got the OG b/c it was Android 2.0, and vanilla - and I learned all sorts of things about ROMs, kernels, etc. on that phone. Bought it the day it came out.

I got the BIONIC b/c, at the time, it was the best Moto phone out there, plus they had gone back and developed there own LTE chip in-house, and if there is one thing that Moto has always had a pretty decent track record, it was in their chip manufacturing, all the LTE growing pains with VZW notwithstanding. Also bought on the first day it was available.

I'm much more likely to stick with Moto than try another manufacturer, and I followed really closely the development of the X last year at DroidRZR forums, but I did not (and still do nto) have the money to buy it outright - and I refuse to sign over my VZW unlimited data by buying subsidized, and I am still reading threads and posts where talking to VZW customer service is still allowing some people to keep unlimited, although most of those threads have gone dry....

I need battery life and power first and foremost, though, b/c I like to install a ton of apps that keep me connected online even when I am not at home. And so when I know I am going to have money the real search will begin, but you can bet the X will still be a contender. Just trying to decide if the G will also.

But all of that is moot for now b/c I think I want a new tablet first. My phone works perfectly fine, but my tablet is horrendously slow. I've never gotten the level of performance even on cROMi like everyone else has, and it effectively pisses me off that I might have a truly defective tablet.

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Uh, yes, lol, I know this as well. but gotta research tablets first. The same issues that are deal breakers for jtrosky are for me as well. I don't want a tablet that I have to enable BT on to use a KB, which not only does not charge the tablet but drains it faster b/c BT is enabled and being used....
[Asus Transformer TF700] -Betu:
I heard the tf701t has better hardware but more flaws.
[Asus Transformer TF700] johnlgalt:
[MENTION=518363]sbdags[/MENTION], lead dev for cROMi-X ROM for the TF series and co-dev for the cROMBi-kk ROM for the TF series says it is a much better machine overall, with less flaws, IIRC.
[Asus Transformer TF700] sbdags:
TF701 is a better device in every way. It's a shame that it gets such negative reviews due to a poorly designed hinge. That is the ONLY fault I can find.
[Asus Transformer TF700] jtrosky:
Unfortunately, the hinge is one of the main components that make up a "Transformer" device, so if they don't get that right, it's a pretty big "turn-off" for such a device. If I was in the market for a "tablet-only" device (with no keyboard dock), I definitely wouldn't go with an Asus device.

My main attraction to the Transformer series is their ability to, well, transform! :) Sounds like they really missed the boat on one of the key components on the TF701. It's such a shame - Asus always seems to get *so* close to the perfect Transformer!! :)
[Asus Transformer TF700] -Betu:
Understood. Thanks

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Really? Something to consider.
[Asus Transformer TF700] butcherbird:
Gotta give ASUS one more chance to make it right. ASUS learns slowly, but they start off with great ideas. :)

"OK Google ... Transformer TF702 release date"

Nothing yet.
[Asus Transformer TF700] berndblb:
Thank God! My TF701 is still brand new! I'm not ready to call it a legacy device!
[Asus Transformer TF700] butcherbird:
I didn't know you had one! Do you have any problems with its hardware or software?

Did you keep your TF700T?
[Asus Transformer TF700] berndblb:
Oh yeah! My TF700 is strictly for play and flashing now. I have hardly anything on it in terms of data, a "bare bones" setup to make it easier to experiment. Still love that tab.

But even with CROMBi-KK - the 701on CROMi-X is so smoooooth in comparison. A joy to use.

The keyboard feels/is way cheaper on the 701 and I had to exchange both once: The 1st tablet's LCD went out after 2 days (got it exchanged), and the 1st keyboard had the infamous disconnect issues badly. The replacement has them barely - hardly noticeable in daily use. Nice thing is, they refunded my money for the 1st KB and told me to keep it! Didn't even want it back - that's how crappy they are! LOL

I'm about to send it to pershoot, the CM11 dev for the 701 who doesn't have one.

Especially the KB issues gave this tablet a bad rep which is a shame - it's totally gorgeous. I was always wondering about users complaining about lag on the 700 with CROMi-X. The 701 out of the box made me understand. And on CROMi-X 6 it's even better...
[Asus Transformer TF700] butcherbird:
Thank you for the news. I wonder if the 701 + keyboard have been improved since its release. If so, maybe the OP doesn't need to find an alternative device -- just a latest generation 701?
[Asus Transformer TF700] berndblb:
Thanks for getting us back on topic! ;)

Well, the tablet is great no matter what. But I have yet to hear from someone who got a keyboard with a newer manufacturing date than 12/13 (and those are few!).

There are rumors out there that Asus just gave up on keyboards for the TF701, will market it as a tablet-only in the future (a TRANSFORMER tablet w/out a keyboard???) and put their chips towards the next generation.

I doubted the rumours until recently. I haven't seen any new keyboards, there was no recall, no acknowledgement of the disaster with these KB's by Asus - no nothing. Now I do wonder if they just wrote them off. IDK.

But I'm glad I got one... :)
[Asus Transformer TF700] butcherbird:
Well, based on what you're saying, it sounds like ASUS has quietly acknowledged the fact that the product is defective (by discontinuing them). Now, let's hope ASUS is developing the fix in the next model -- and hopefully gets it ALL right this time.
[Asus Transformer TF700] Ananasnonym:
The isolation of my charger cable for my TF700 went off and so i "fixed" it with isolation tape => a short circuit or something like that broke accelerometer, SD reader in The Dock, USB in the Dock, automatic brightness and data link to PC. Is unlocked, so repair isn't worth it.

So I looked around for alternatives, comparison with TF701 and more, but all in all I will stick with a TF700 for now. The possibility to run Linux (at an absolutely reasonable speed) in dualboot with Cromi-X (with data2sd and hunds kernel very smooth!) plus screen, lightweight, battery! (there is no tablet netbook hybrid with 9h+ on the market), support by devs (THANK YOU XDA :good::laugh:).

In comparison to the TF701 it has a more or less better keyboard, and I think the better hardware is not worth the upgrade (yet?). I will wait for a Tegra K1 Transformer => Linux mainline kernel support! Then it will be the TRUE transformer (mainly Hardware 3D acceleration). The Transformer book trio looks interesting though, but too expensive right now..

It may be that I will stay because I managed to order a replacement with broken screen for 100€ - and will exchange the screens - hopefully the digitizer versions will fit! Nevertheless, the price for what you get from a Transformer TF700 is the best one can get on the market right now.
[Asus Transformer TF700] usern ameisval idandnot:
I come to the conclusion that the TF 700 is still superior to the TF701. I tested both next to each other in planes and trains.

TF701:

Half as bright as TF 700 even with IPS.

Glass way more easily stained by fatty fingers.

Battery drains much faster when watching movies or reading a book.

Movies in 720p look ****ty. I have most my things in 720p or 1080p. Battery drain in native resolution movies is insane.

Keybord plastic instead of alu.

Lighter than the 700 and smoother. But how is that great if it is empty after half an atlantic flight?
[Asus Transformer TF700] johnlgalt:
I have to ask - did you put either device into airplane mode when using it in the airplane?
[Asus Transformer TF700] butcherbird:
The new update to Docs and Sheets in Android - allowing for offline editing at last - have instantly made the TF700 useful to me while working on the road. Glad I never sold it.
[Asus Transformer TF700] usern ameisval idandnot:
Doesnt make a difference for me.
[Asus Transformer TF700] tcorless:
Has anyone checked out the Transformer Pad tf103c, (MG103... at best buy)? My tf700t has touch screen issues.
[Asus Transformer TF700] rycheme:
I bought it today and so far, I'm liking it.

Edit: After 15 days, it shut down and wouldn't come back to life. This is after it had randomly shut off a few times within the past week. I returned it and bought a Galaxy Tab 4.
[Asus Transformer TF700] jtrosky:
Well, I think I have switched over to the dark side! Well, not really "switched", but "exploring"!

I was at Staples the other day and they had the Asus Transformer Book T100 on sale for $350 (64GB version - was $100 off their normally-high price).

This device is a 2-in-1 device that runs full Windows 8.1 (not RT) and has a keyboard dock and a 10" touchscreen.

I must say, overall, I'm pretty impressed. It's a very fast device (quad core, 1.3Ghz Intel Bay Trail processor) and even comes with a full version of MS Office 2013 (Home and Student Edition - basically, everything except Outlook). Battery life seems to be excellent as well.

Still learning Windows 8.1, but it is definitely nice being able to run ANY Windows application...
[Asus Transformer TF700] johnlgalt:
I've been playing (on and off) with a friend's Surface Pro 3. Full Win 8 Pro (so I can RD into it as well), and 2" larger diagonally. Comes in a few flavors, from a 4 GB with 64 SSD all the way to an 8 GB + 512 GB SSD. The one I've been playing with is the 4 GB + 128 GB SSD.

That thing is pretty damned awesome. The keyboard (and power connector) snap in place via magnets, and the KB can be used flat, or slightly elevated, giving it a real laptop / desktop KB feel. The screen is awesome, the boot times and power on / power off times are fabulous, and Windows 8 is not all that bad considering I already used it through he consumer preview. Tablet also comes with pointing device / pen, and I already have tons of Windows software b/c my home machines are all Windows (7) based, anyway. The KB being a separate purchase is a bit of a bummer, though.

I'm ditching tablets made by ASUS. I'm tired of having to install mods and workarounds to make it work the way it is supposed to OOB. The SP3 works exactly as it should OOB. And since it is going to be a portable desktop-class machine for me, 2 grand for the top end model is not against my religion, seeing as how my next desktop build is going to run a little over 4 grand (Video cars and TB SSDs, mainly).

My phone is going to remain android, and I may change my mind down the road (particularly if M$ makes their Office Suite for Android tablet compatible, which it currently is not for my TF700). But for a tablet, unless something else is out there that will truly wow me, I think I am going to be headed for a SP3.

*Plus*, there is always the Android x86 project if I really want Android lol....
[Asus Transformer TF700] jtrosky:
Honestly, I can't believe that I bought another Asus device either... BUT, for the $350 I paid (at Staples nonetheless), it's an amazing bargain. For $350, you get a full Windows 8.1 tablet with:

- A quad core, 1.3Ghz Intel Bay Trail processor

- 2GB RAM

- 64GB storage

- Stereo speakers

- MicroSD slot

- Micro USB port

- Micro HDMI out port

- A full version of Windows 8.1 (not the crippled RT version)

- Full version of Microsoft Office 2013 (Home and Student edition)

You also get the keyboard dock - it's included with the device for the $350 price. Hell, it probably costs close to $350 if you to buy Windows 8.1 and Office 2013 at retail costs! So, it's like you get the tablet and the keyboard dock for free! The only port on the dock itself is a full sized USB 3 port (which comes in very handy for a mouse or an external device (DVD drive, thumb driver, etc). The trackpad on the keyboard dock also works very well (multi-touch capable).

I've only had the device for a few days, but I must say, this thing is very fast. Nothing like the Netbooks of the past. I am thoroughly impressed with the speed and how fluid the device is for a $350 device. Also impressed with batter life.

The biggest issue (in my opinion), is that a 10" screen is a little small when using "legacy" Windows applications via touch. However, it's definitely not a show stopper and I'm quickly getting used to it.

To keep costs down, they did skimp in a few areas:

- Device is all plastic - no nice spun-metal like the TF700. However, this also makes the device very light.

- There is no battery in the dock.

- Screen resolution is only 1368x768 - however, it's been fine - not really any noticeable difference than my TF700 for everyday use. It's actually the same resolution as my work laptop - an HP Probook 6560b, which has a larger screen (so the PPI is actually less on the laptop).

I was actually interested in the Surface Pro 3 - until I saw the price. Just way too much, in my opinion.
[Asus Transformer TF700] johnlgalt:
My biggest concern with all the ASUS devices has been and always will be the speed of the internal NAND flash that they use. The SSDs in the Surface Pros are very fast.
[Asus Transformer TF700] jtrosky:
I can safely say that the NAND speed is not an issue with the Transformer Book T100 like it is with the TF700 - this thing flies - and it's running a much "fuller" OS... Really, you'll have to try one out at a retail store - it truly is an impressive device for the price tag!

It even boots up quickly. I haven't run into any performance issues whatsoever - and I've been using it pretty much exclusively since I got it. The biggest issue is trying to control non-Metro apps with your fingers on the small 10" screen when using it as a tablet (undocked). Works perfectly when docked (when using track pad or mouse) though. I would think the finger-control of non-metro apps would still be an issue, even if the screen is two inches larger like the Surface Pro. Have you found that to be an issue with the Surface Pro 3 when using it as a tablet?
[Asus Transformer TF700] flhthemi:
Samsung Galaxy Tab S 10.5 (SM-T800)

Out of the box Antutu:
[Asus Transformer TF700] jtrosky:
Yes, but does this device offer a keyboard dock? That is the main goal of this thread - to discuss other devices that have transformer-like functionality - and a keyboard dock is a key part of that functionality!

Still thoroughly enjoying the Asus T100! It is *so* nice being able to run all of the Windows applications that I'm used to on such a portable device with great battery life. While there are Office apps for Android, I've found that NONE of them properly display Excel and Word documents (unless they are super-simple)... I did also find out that there is a newer "version" of the T100 that has an even faster processor (1.8Ghz instead of 1.3Ghz)... I may end up returning this one to staples and getting the newer, faster version on-line (for $20 less as well!).... My current one also has some VERY minor imperfections - there is a small gap at the top of the trackpad where I can actually see metal underneath - just doesn't look right. Also have one pixel that is brighter than the rest. I wouldn't normally return a device for these small imperfections, but considering that I can also get a newer, faster model for $20 less, it makes it more worthwhile to return it...
[Asus Transformer TF700] flhthemi:
Samsung makes one and Logitech makes one.

Logitech

Samsung
[Asus Transformer TF700] jtrosky:
Yes, but they are not true keyboard docks. They are simply bluetooth keyboards combined with a case. Very different for the following reason:

- You need to use a case to use them

- They don't have a built in trackpad

- They don't have a full-sized USB port

- They require separate power (batteries) and also require bluetooth to be enabled on the tablet, which uses more power on the tablet as well.

- They are just not as "integrated" as a true keyboard dock...

etc...

You can add a bluetooth keyboard to any device - what we're talking about here are devices with a true, integrated keyboard dock. I've owned both types and there really is a substantial difference between the two types of keyboards - obviously, I much prefer the true keyboard dock.
[Asus Transformer TF700] _that:
Do you only use it as a small laptop or also as a tablet? Most Windows apps are probably pretty useless on a tablet without a keyboard.
[Asus Transformer TF700] jtrosky:
I use it as both... Mainly use it in laptop-mode though.

However, even the "legacy" Windows apps are still very usable in tablet mode - although, with a 10" screen, some "hotspots" *are* tough to touch accurately, but you can pinch-to-zoom to make small "elements" easier to touch... But, for things like web browsing, etc, it's still *very* usable in tablet mode For more "intense" Legacy apps, I imagine a stylus would also help a lot for the small "elements". Really, legacy apps work the same as they would with a mouse and keyboard though - your finger is the mouse and of course it has an on-screen keyboard that pops up as needed for typing (just like Android does).

Obviously, the "Metro" apps are designed for touch use, so they work really well in tablet mode.

Like I said, I've been thoroughly impressed with this device, especially considering the $350 (or less) price tag!
[Asus Transformer TF700] johnlgalt:
I'll definitely look into it and play with it, or the newer version as you say. If they are using an SSD (mSATA type) or else much much better NAND flash than they have in the past, I'll consider it.

The other great thing about the surface pro is that it has built in USB 3.0 port, and is 12", though. That extra 2" makes for a huge, almost incomparable difference compared to a 10" screen.

One thing to mention, though, with the SP3: The KB is just like the Sammy, Not a KB dock, per se, though it does connect directly to the tablet. The SP3 is also plasticized, but it has breather holes built into it, and the KB, while being very thin, can fold up to an inclined position or lay flat.

One plus+ SP3 comes with a stylus. Using OneNote to take notes / write whatever us a breeze.

[MENTION=4878287]_that[/MENTION] - with Windows 8, desktop / metro navigation is a breeze, and a popup KB in tablet mode is about as good as most tablets with popup KB, but he optional external KB is much much better, particularly if you are composing long drafts of text.
[Asus Transformer TF700] jtrosky:
Don't get me wrong - I'm sure that the SP3 is a better device. Just not sure if ti's $1000 (or more) better! :)

I would definitely prefer a 12" device, but the 10" is still very usable. I just can't get over how well this thing performs, even running a full version of Windows 8. It really is amazing for the cost.

The T100 gets great reviews too, so I don't think I'm alone in my opinion.

The T100 does have a full-szie USB 3.0 port, but it's on the dock. It has a micro-USB on the tablet itself, which is used for the charger (finally, no proprietary changer!) and it can also be used as a "regular" USB port with an OTG adapter.

Can also connect an un-powered USB dock to the full-size USB port which is nice.

I was seriously considering the SP3 until I realized how much it cost.

Does the SP3 keyboard "dock" require it's own batteries?
[Asus Transformer TF700] _that:
I need to play with the SP3 at a store when it becomes available. The fact that it's almost totally unrepairable (see https://www.ifixit.com/Teardown/Microsoft+Surface+Pro+3+Teardown/26595) for its price holds me back. I don't really need a portable PC anyway.

I can't do real work on anything less than a full-sized mechanical keyboard, a precise mouse, and 1-2 big monitors. A laptop or the TF700 with dock is already a big step back, and on a touch keyboard I am so slow that I use it only when there is really no other way.
[Asus Transformer TF700] jtrosky:
That's the nice thing about running Windows - need to do "real work"? No problem - connect a full sized USB keyboard, a mouse and a monitor (T100 has an HDMI-out port as well) - I can do all of that without even needing a USB hub (USB keyboard, bluetooth mouse and an HDMI monitor). With Android, it's always such a hassle getting external devices to work right due to lack of drivers and you can't run the "normal" apps that you use at work, etc. I always had to RDP into a Windows server to do "real work" - now I can do it all on the T100!

It's the best of both worlds. Of course, the T100 is not going to be as fast as a full-fledged desktop, but for 95% of tasks, it'll be just fine... If you REALLY need full desktop power, the SP3 would be a better choice (not sure if it has HDMI out though).

As much as I like Android, I always find myself trying to figure out ways to do things that I do everyday at work - and they usually involved some type of hack or workaround (if I can replicate the functionality at all). For a tablet-only device, Android is great, but for a device that can be a laptop or a tablet, Win 8 is pretty interesting...