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[Xperia Z2 General] green750one:
SCN mode only appears to work at 8MP. This was taken using 'soft snap'

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[Xperia Z2 General] One Twelve:
ok that means the mod cannot take scene mode pictures in more than 8MP like it does with SA.

That should have been set to 'soft snap'. Usually when scene modes are selected that field is set to what was selected.

Do you notice any softness in the picture between using the physical shutter button vs the on screen button ?

you would need to compare shots taken in manual at 20MP with good light and then examine at 100%.
[Xperia Z2 General] green750one:
I'm not sure what mod you're talking about, but the cybershot xposed module I'm running never claims to affect scene mode. All it does is push up resolution of superior auto mode.

If you want 20MP shots every time I think you have to go completely manual.
[Xperia Z2 General] One Twelve:
Was referring to the cybershot xposed mod. somebody said scene modes worked with it too, you've confirmed that is incorrect.

scene mode especially the night modes offer slower shutter speed than what manual can provide. This means only 8MP with those modes or any other scene mode.

Do you notice any difference in image quality between the on screen button and physical button ?
[Xperia Z2 General] green750one:
These are the options for cybershot mod.

I'll take some shots with physical & screen buttons for you. Haven't noticed any difference.
[Xperia Z2 General] le_lutin:
Seems like there is some confusion here.

One of the things that Super-Auto does is automatically select the most appropriate scene mode without the user having to go into manual mode. For example, in SA mode, when you are really close to an object it will automatically choose the macro mode.

So the question is:

When the xposed mod is applied and you're in superior-auto mode, does it still automatically choose the scene for you?
[Xperia Z2 General] aiqbal09:
Yes it does select the mode for you.
[Xperia Z2 General] One Twelve:
Why isn't it reflecting it in the exifs then ?

a few times i've seen auto pick landscape and you see that mentioned. This is with the Z1 with stock.
[Xperia Z2 General] leo_nidas:
My foto stock rooted :D

Wysłane z mojego D6503 przy użyciu Tapatalka
[Xperia Z2 General] vincent2167:
Picture taken on a cloudy day
[Xperia Z2 General] bejoanakmami:
[Macro] With macro lens

taken by Z2 with macro lens.
[Xperia Z2 General] SovietKitsch:
A few shots from my roof after the storm tonight in NYC. Untouched, directly from the phone.
[Xperia Z2 General] doministry:
What is macro lens?
[Xperia Z2 General] bejoanakmami:
Well its these lenses.

u can have the set at about 70 USD. The set includes 3 lenses, macro, fish eye and wide angle.
[Xperia Z2 General] :
Cybershot Xposed

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[Xperia Z2 General] ipmanwck:
Where from please.
[Xperia Z2 General] ipmanwck:
Some from today.
[Xperia Z2 General] bejoanakmami:
U can search for lifetrons photo lens. I think its available worldwide.
[Xperia Z2 General] Rgart:
Hi, there is the possibility to select f aperture, shutter time and iso manually?

i read that the API for the camera is open what is the better app that use it?

Thank!
[Xperia Z2 General] ipmanwck:
Quick one. Auto
[Xperia Z2 General] vincent2167:
Taken in manual mode (as automatic was trying to do a HDR picture) and then slightly cropped.
[Xperia Z2 General] ipmanwck:
This camera is so much better than the g3. Main reason I came back to the z2. Amazing camera.
[Xperia Z2 General] One Twelve:
How is the second Z2 doing compared to the first one you had to return ?

Also interested in seeing more shots of your kids moving about :)
[Xperia Z2 General] ipmanwck:
Much better. Kinda odd really as the first one when looking at the screen when camera app was open it was really fuzzy?? Now this new one I got does not do that. I also took loads of photos in SA today and loads of short clips in 1080p and camera did not over heat.. I did however have stamina and battery saving on so am beginning to think it's a data connection issue with the heat? And 4k of course but I don't use that.

If the G3 had a better camera I would have kept it as everything else on the g3 was great but camera is key for me and honestly Z2 is truly amazing. Some of the shots I took looked like they came from a high end camera! Very happy. Just put a case on it but waiting for a rear glass protector as want to keep heat down to a minimum.)

Can't wait for the z3!!
[Xperia Z2 General] Rgart:
original photo, i used bokeh mode

and yes i love the camera of my Z2
[Xperia Z2 General] One Twelve:
And what is the difference without stamina or battery saving mode compared to the previous one ? the battery is already pretty good as it is without those modes.

It's still early days yet maybe if you manage to hold onto it for a few more weeks i might be more convinced :laugh:

There is no way to set ISO on the G3, not even in stock camera (!), this is ridiculous. The G2 even allowed manual focus.

You can only set white balance or exposure compensation with a 3rd party app. The stock app does not include it. Why would they dumb it down to iphone level. The G2 did not do this.

That too the camera is the same as the one used in the G2. All they did was include some software and this 'laser' thingy which is just an IR LED. Looking at

some

of the photo

comparisons

of G3 vs Z2, the G2 isn't looking that great tbh. And you can't do any manual intervention to improve things unlike with the other phones.

it may come in quad hd, which is overkill and tax the cpu even more. The best phone you can get is current gen cpu with last year or the one before in terms of resolution. There is no need for 1080p on such a tiny device.

I'm wondering if there will be a Z2L this year. Won't come out in all markets though.
[Xperia Z2 General] ipmanwck:
I only used stamina and battery saving to if it had any affect on reducing temperature whilst using camera app. I cannot say for sure but I think it did. Anyone else tried that?

And yes g3 camera is same as G2 but sensor size u think is smaller!!! Pictures were total crap so could not live with it. Will stick with Sony for at least 6 Months now.
[Xperia Z2 General] Marshall_xm:
My bad-bad cat.
[Xperia Z2 General] vincent2167:
I did some test pictures of the Z2 (auto 8 Mpxl) vs 1020 (auto 5 Mpxl). Here are attached the 100 % crops (Z2 on the left, 1020 on the right).

I used the digital zoom (trying the match exactly the same frame) on the last picture.

You can download the full resolution pictures and more samples here:

http://www.photo-production.net/vincentpham/web/Z2_vs_1020.zip
[Xperia Z2 General] ipmanwck:
What's the advantages of the lower res apart from file size?
[Xperia Z2 General] vincent2167:
Manufacturers call it oversampling. You end up with "cleaner" pixels. I actually did also a comparison on the Z2 of 20 Mpxl vs 8 Mpxl (will post it later today).

What I noticed is that additional sharpening is applied to the 8 Mpxl pictures, making the picture more suitable for screen viewing.

EDIT:

Here is 100% crop comparison of the Z2 at 8 Mpx (left) vs full resolution pictures (right).

We can see that the 8 Mxp pictures have an efficient image sharpening applied by the device, which may explain why people usually recommend shooting at 8 Mpx.

All original pictures can be downloaded here:

www.photo-production.net/vincentpham/web/Comparatif_Z2_full_res_vs_8_Mpxl.zip
[Xperia Z2 General] ipmanwck:
Ok I see. Is there a mod for superior auto in all mp settings which will upsampled the picture in the same way as the 8mp mode does. Not sure if any of the mods available does this.
[Xperia Z2 General] One Twelve:
No, this is a one way process. 20mp ->8 mp

However there is a mod that will allow 20mp in SA which stock limits to 8mp. Note that its just for SA, scene mode will still be 8MP.
[Xperia Z2 General] ipmanwck:
I thought so. Seems pointless using mods then if you can't have something like 15mp in superior auto using upsampling tech. 8mp seems great already.
[Xperia Z2 General] One Twelve:
No, its not pointless a 15MP or 20MP shot preserves more detail and helps with crops if necessary. Allows to zoom further on the tv. And SA is faster to take.

Put it this way if you have a max resolution photo you can always resize and pretty it up later. You have to decide which shot merits that extra detail or not.

Was thinking since you want to get shots of the kids, one way to get a 8MP shot is to grab a frame using pc from a 4k vid. Better resolution than timeshift burst which i think is a frame out of 720p. But that is 120fps so will catch fast motion vs 30 fps but higher resolution 4k. More chance to get the best shot this way. 4k has potentially more use in this manner than for making videos. And you only need a few seconds footage.
[Xperia Z2 General] ipmanwck:
Great idea. Thanks for that. Hopefully when Sony sorts this camera issue overheat I will start using 4K but I think 805 chip will be the only thing as it has lots more camera related tech apparently. Z3 is gonna be a beast! But until then I will have a go at that.
[Xperia Z2 General] One Twelve:
Just realise that an 8MP grab from 4k isn't going to be as good as a downsampled 8MP. But it might be able to get those indoors moving subjects that just won't sit still. Surprised the reviewers have not picked up on this aspect yet. Maybe i'm wrong :o
[Xperia Z2 General] ipmanwck:
Yea reviews these days such tbh! Pocket now (Michael fisher) does the best reviews but no reviews fully test camera. I may just do one myself. Oh if I had the time I would. The timeshift is just amazing. I know its only 2mp but so clever Sony!!
[Xperia Z2 General] jaffa1980:
Just a couple I took at work.
[Xperia Z2 General] One Twelve:
Samsung's stock video player makes it really

easy

to grab stills, how about Sony ? or is there any 3rd party player that can do this too.

720p means 1/120s shutter @1MP

1080p is 1/60 shutter @ 2MPand

4k is 1/30 shutter @8MP

1/60 ought to freeze things quite well indoors.
[Xperia Z2 General] ipmanwck:
Sony video player won't do that but you can trim and adjust speed
[Xperia Z2 General] Hortet:
Hello everyone, I'm new in the forum, this is my first message. :p

I have the Xperia Z2 two months ago, but I dont use the camera that much. I think I have taken some cool photos anyway.
[Xperia Z2 General] Tri3Dent:
Nice pictures of fireworks cchant! I took some too from Canada Day in Victoria. Here it is!
[Xperia Z2 General] One Twelve:
This is the best you can get with this camera. Very good. No camera shake at all.

Did you take them in SA ?

Did you use a tripod to stabilse the camera when you took them ? if you did this handheld tell us more.
[Xperia Z2 General] Guest69:
1st one is edited to increase the contrast, using the z2, the rest were on sa with the flash on torch mode, the camera struggle to focus without it. All taken outside at night.
[Xperia Z2 General] One Twelve:
Any way you can post the originals on photobucket ?
[Xperia Z2 General] Guest69:
Originals

http://s103.photobucket.com/albums/m123/mattguest691/?action=view&current=DSC_00442_zps5519ef6e.jpg

http://s103.photobucket.com/albums/m123/mattguest691/?action=view&current=DSC_0060_zpsb375ce1c.jpg

http://s103.photobucket.com/albums/m123/mattguest691/?action=view&current=DSC_0046_zpse80d5ce4.jpg

http://s103.photobucket.com/albums/m123/mattguest691/?action=view&current=DSC_0044_zps16494c47.jpg

I hope that's worked

If not. . . http://s103.photobucket.com/user/mattguest691/library/?evt=email_share
[Xperia Z2 General] Tri3Dent:
I took them in manual with fireworks as the scene. that's all lol. I didn't use tripod, just handheld. I was pretty amazed by the quality as well.
[Xperia Z2 General] One Twelve:
That's what i figured given the shutter & ISO but the exif did not indicate the scene mode chosen.

A handheld 0.8s exposure and no camera shake. This i cannot understand.

DSC_0191 was timed very well just at the time of the burst.

Only one photo shows camera shake but the others do not display any. Does stabilisation help in photos, thought it was mostly for video.
[Xperia Z2 General] Tri3Dent:
I didn't use the camera button, just the on screen capture button. I find that camera physical from causes me to shake. but I just snapped a lot of photos. didn't really time it or anything. just capture capture capture. I deleted a bunch and most of them are blurry due to shaking.
[Xperia Z2 General] jaffa1980:
The detail when trying macro on insects is great! Saw a little grass hopper and thought I'd give it a look see. I got this with xposed superior shot at 15m and cropped some weeds
[Xperia Z2 General] Guest69:
Moon shot taken just now on manual 8mp, maximum zoom, exposure dropped right down, through a cheap, small spotting 'scope. Cat pic sa, slightly cropped.
[Xperia Z2 General] vincent2167:
Automatic mode
[Xperia Z2 General] ipmanwck:
That is amazing! I am uming and aring about the xposed mod. Which one are you using? Thanks.
[Xperia Z2 General] vincent2167:
Here is a comparison (100% crop) of the Z2 (left) vs 1020 (right) set up at maximum resolution (20 Mpx vs 41 Mpx).

Download link for the original files: http://www.photo-production.net/vincentpham/web/Z2_vs_1020_full_res.zip
[Xperia Z2 General] One Twelve:
Tell us more about your camera hold technique. Were your hands resting on something ?

I've seen stable 1/4 (0.25s) stood up handheld shots but getting a stable 0.8s which is three times slower is something else.
[Xperia Z2 General] vincent2167:
After doing a couple of tests on the Z2 here are my findings:

Shooting full resolution vs 8 Mpx :

- The images are sharper on the 8 Mpx (see my previous comparison a couple of pages ago)

- If you don't mind doing yourself some post processing, you can achieve a similar result on the 20 Mpx image.

--> For direct upload of the images on social media, it would be better to use the 8 Mpx mode as images will look crisper

--> If you want to have more room for cropping and like to fine tune the images yourself, shoot at full resolution.

HDR mode :

- The mode is only available when shooting 8 Mpx (in Intelligent Auto or Manual).

- What you see is not what you get. Obviously you will get more dynamic range... but you will also find out that the image is slightly cropped.

Intelligent Auto vs Manual mode:

- If a scene is selected from the Intelligent Auto mode - e.g. landscape - colors may a bit different. Otherwise the 8 Mpx outputs are almost identical.

- I noticed that the Manual mode tends to pick a lower ISO compared to Intelligent Auto. You end up with a better image quality. (Beware of handshake or moving subject as the shutter speed will be consequently lower.)

- What is the "Image stabilizer" option from the Manual mode doing ? It actually bumps the ISO so you end up with a faster shutter speed allowing you the freeze the subject or avoid handshake. On the other hand, the image quality will decrease so use it only when necessary.

- In terms of ISO value: Manual mode < Intelligent Auto < Manual mode with "Image stabilizer" activated

--> Intelligent Auto does mostly the job and can handle most situations (it is is a kind of trade-off). If you have a steady hand, still subject and want to maximize the image quality, go for the Manual mode. If you are still getting blurry pictures from Intelligent Auto, go for Manual mode with "Image stabilizer" activated.
[Xperia Z2 General] ipmanwck:
What focus mode do you tend to use? If your using one of the auto focus options?
[Xperia Z2 General] vincent2167:
I switch between "Multi autofocus" / "Touch focus" for general usage and "Face detection" when shooting a portrait. (I wish there was the same option available in Intelligent Auto which is a mix of "Touch focus" and "Face detection".

It is important to check that the focus box turns blue when you take the picture, otherwise it means that the focus wasn't done properly. It works by contrast detection. If for example the focus box is aligned with a perfectly blue sky (without any cloud), the focus won't be done and in such case it is recommended to lock the focus on another area (using "Touch focus").
[Xperia Z2 General] Guest69:
Wouldn't a simple focus lock function solve all this? To be able to touch focus on any item then lock it while you frame the shot.
[Xperia Z2 General] ipmanwck:
Nice one. Not tried object tracking.
[Xperia Z2 General] vincent2167:
With "Touch focus" you can lock the focus to any area of the frame.
[Xperia Z2 General] Guest69:
But I'm finding that, especially in macro, the camera re-focusses when you take the shot. I was wanting to lock the focus and then have the freedom to re-frame the shot while keeping focus locked on a specific plane. Maybe I'm asking too much of a phone camera.
[Xperia Z2 General] One Twelve:
No it should be able to do just that, Z1 did, in fact it should even set white balance properly by you focusing on something that you know is white and in the same focal range or exposure this way.

Macro might be an exception.
[Xperia Z2 General] jaffa1980:
I think it's called cyber shot... Xposed is well worth it with all the little things you can do to customise
[Xperia Z2 General] Guest69:
I haven't encountered the problem with anything other than macro come to think of it, I can see how that would be more difficult than say a landscape, with depth of field being so crucial in macro. I just get frustrated when the scene is focused perfectly then when you go to take the shot, it tries to refocus. A minor niggle, I'm off away to Northern Ireland tomorrow and seriously considering packing light and leaving my cameras behind.
[Xperia Z2 General] 3mps:
Few HDR shots from Today

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[Xperia Z2 General] neilmc1983:
Taken today, 15mp SA (Xposed Mod)

croped

Panorama
[Xperia Z2 General] One Twelve:
Nice but i figure the ones with the stationary subjects are HDR.
[Xperia Z2 General] Luinwethion:
A few from this weekend... All in auto,

2014-07-05 13.37.41 by rslaporte, on Flickr

2014-07-05 13.43.00 by rslaporte, on Flickr

2014-07-05 13.43.32 by rslaporte, on Flickr

2014-07-05 13.44.59 by rslaporte, on Flickr

2014-07-05 13.45.07 by rslaporte, on Flickr

2014-07-05 13.46.33 by rslaporte, on Flickr

2014-07-05 13.47.14 by rslaporte, on Flickr

2014-07-05 13.47.23 by rslaporte, on Flickr

2014-07-05 13.48.21 by rslaporte, on Flickr

2014-07-05 13.48.50 by rslaporte, on Flickr

2014-07-05 13.49.01 by rslaporte, on Flickr

2014-07-05 13.50.40 by rslaporte, on Flickr

2014-07-05 13.53.39 by rslaporte, on Flickr

2014-07-05 13.53.46 by rslaporte, on Flickr

2014-07-05 13.54.49 by rslaporte, on Flickr

2014-07-05 14.00.11 by rslaporte, on Flickr

2014-07-05 14.02.36 by rslaporte, on Flickr

2014-07-05 14.03.49 by rslaporte, on Flickr

2014-07-05 14.05.37 by rslaporte, on Flickr

2014-07-05 22.23.25 by rslaporte, on Flickr
[Xperia Z2 General] tel033:
Is the led flash the same as in the S/Z/Z1? Because in my S is just too week and photos are yellowish in low light, the Z also take awful pictures in low light
[Xperia Z2 General] Tri3Dent:
Nothing special tho. I was just holding it up in the air just snap snap snap lol.
[Xperia Z2 General] ipmanwck:
Got lucky here
[Xperia Z2 General] One Twelve:
What differences you see with photos compared to Z1 ?
[Xperia Z2 General] Luinwethion:
The biggest difference that I see is that the Superior Auto mode uses less ISO, even in cloudy days.... I remember taking pictures in Superior Auto with the Z1, in daylight and the phone used ISO 400 or something like that.

I will take pictures with both phones to compare.

I never used SA with the Z1, I did all pics in 20mp and resized on lightroom to 5mp... But in another forum a guy said that the oversampling algorithms from the Z2 was good, and I agree, pictures looks awesome, no need to take 20mp to resize anymore.
[Xperia Z2 General] 3mps:
they are hence me saying " a few HDR shots from today " :good:
[Xperia Z2 General] iRadio:
Flower Taken on Manual mode this morning!
[Xperia Z2 General] iRadio:
And one on auto mode....
[Xperia Z2 General] cfarley27:
Has anyone used Google Camera for low lighting to see if the post processing is any different?
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[Xperia Z2 General] Guest69:
On a working holiday at Portstewart, Northern Ireland. Taken on auto.
[Xperia Z2 General] Guest69:
All on auto, still struggling to get the focus right with macro, seems a bit hit and miss.
[Xperia Z2 General] TheOnlyIntruder:
If only we had a focus slider much like the zoom slider, that'd be amazing with this camera!
[Xperia Z2 General] Guest69:
That would be ideal, or even just an effective focus and exposure lock, just found out that the GS5 has both :@
[Xperia Z2 General] TheOnlyIntruder:
We do have that, when we press the camera shutter button halfway to focus when it gets it's focus it sets and locks it in it at that unless you let go so if you need to you can focus on one object then re-position and take the shot. Alternatively you can tap and hold the onscreen shutter button to lock focus.