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[Xperia Z1 Compact General] aigaming:
Your fix is doing great i got pilot double sided thick and verry thin end and it worked great with good precision;)
[Xperia Z1 Compact General] Kuminauha:
Also fixed mine with pen method.

Before:

After:
[Xperia Z1 Compact General] spaspa:
Has anyone done the DIY on a white model? ie. with a white marker?
[Xperia Z1 Compact General] Kuminauha:
The pictures above are fixed with DIY black marker on a white version. Doesn't look too bad. I wen't around the whole ring to make it uniform and wiped the excess off with alcohol solution.
[Xperia Z1 Compact General] paulkhim:
i painted mine with a white fine paint marker 0.8mm tip.
[Xperia Z1 Compact General] vetko:
Just a little question: won't the alcohol damage the lens?
[Xperia Z1 Compact General] profyler:
nono, just brush it slowly and not strong. alcohol wont affect the lens.
[Xperia Z1 Compact General] vetko:
Doesn't matter if it's ethyl or isopropyl (or I don't know what type of) alcohol? Because I read on some places that some of them may dissolve the coating on some lenses..
[Xperia Z1 Compact General] profyler:
i dont think so. i used alcohol for cleaning the chrome ring (and of course a little bit of alcohol droped on the lenses) and it didnt change anything to my lenses. If the lense are made of glass or saphire , it wont damage. just be careful.
[Xperia Z1 Compact General] vetko:
How small was the pen You tried with? I got a relatively small-headed (like 2-3mm) and I found it really hard to manage it, I painted the lens also a little bit (in two small 1-2mm spots). I tried it, but it didn't really help on the bleed, so I brushed all down (however alcohol did reach almost the entire lens several times during this process, because I think I used a little bit too strong pen, and was not easy to get rid of the paint - and I hope didn't damage it with the alcohol), and now I will try it to get another pen.
[Xperia Z1 Compact General] profyler:
i did it with a standart cd marker pen. i didnt paint the lens, only a little bit of the silver ring witch i cleaned with alcoohol just fine. you have to be careful and stady hands. alcohol wont damage your lens, dont worry.
[Xperia Z1 Compact General] vetko:
Ok, thanks. Just a last small question: Do you have by chance some kind of oleophobic coating protection on your lens? Because I have my lens full of fingerprints by daily use. I hope it's not because of the yesterday's mission, didn't pay attention before I played with alcohol. :eek:
[Xperia Z1 Compact General] profyler:
nope, my lens is also full of fingerprints... i brush it with my t shirt to get it clean :p
[Xperia Z1 Compact General] slannmage:
I bet Sony will refresh the rear cover at some point and it'll be fixed
[Xperia Z1 Compact General] profyler:
there are already report of z1c wich has no flash bleed... dont know if its true thou
[Xperia Z1 Compact General] levz:
Im one of those, no flash/led bleed i guess they should replace their unit.
[Xperia Z1 Compact General] SirRobin78:
So is there a way to compare the back of your device with one of the other devices, like mine? maybe there are changes?
[Xperia Z1 Compact General] levz:
heres some pix (back) of the unit, later batches i guess, in my country sony just release this about couple days ago. Seems the same physically, altho i dunno for internal parts update though.

Hoping this pix are ok to you guys im using a tablet.
[Xperia Z1 Compact General] vetko:
As far as I can see, the "slope" of the frame around the lens is much more longer, so it is not as perpendicular to the surface of the camera as before, on our models. :good: Maybe this is the solution. Will send it back / ask for another model as soon as I will have time.
[Xperia Z1 Compact General] SirRobin78:
What exactly do you mean with slope? :D
[Xperia Z1 Compact General] profyler:
can you please provide better resolution pics?? aparently, the depth difference from the plastic cover to the lenses, are gone.

cool to see sony doing something (if its really true). bad that they dont seel this device in brazil and i'll never have a chance to change it =(
[Xperia Z1 Compact General] xander59:
maybe a simple test... To take a pictures of the back when the torch is on ? :)
[Xperia Z1 Compact General] rossi2000:
the slope of the edging around the camera lense is wider, i can see this too comparing to my Z1C now

i recently got 2 x Z1C's (both black) for me and the missus, hers definatley has this bleeding but ive not seen it yet on mine. going to try more testing on it and if sony really have revised the design of the z1c im sure as hell be wanting the revised model. if not possibly a refund.
[Xperia Z1 Compact General] slannmage:
I did the permanent marker trick and it has gone unless I have a case on it (which I always will so I can resell it next year to upgrade) so I dunno it doesn't bother me, the back cover is so easy to take off, just get a suction sup and a guitar pic and it is off, I bet you can just get a replacement back easily that has been revised.

I know if I exchange it, I'll get one with a crappy screen or dead pixels or a pink spot in the camera... just not worth it over a flash that I'll never use because LED flashes suck.
[Xperia Z1 Compact General] levz:
Ok il will try to get some descent reso shot, if not probably daytime cam shot, also it will be included pics from z1c itself night/total darkness samples. Thanks. Later
[Xperia Z1 Compact General] SirRobin78:
This would be great! Is it possible to give us information about the build week, information is on the "paper" in the sim slot.
[Xperia Z1 Compact General] louis0815:
Should it have happened that Sony modified the manufacturing process and went for something like #2 in that post on talk.sonymobile.com?

Original setup (and root cause for the flash bleed):
[Xperia Z1 Compact General] SirRobin78:
I´m not 100% sure but what i see on the 2 pictures is not what i´m seeing on my Z1C...something is different.

Is it possible that someone WITH the bleeding can upload pictures of the back cover to see both together?
[Xperia Z1 Compact General] gabi11:
I'm also thinking about buying it to my wife.

I'll probably ask a friend to do it for me because it's quite expensive in my city.

Looking forward to hearing about build week or something like that, but is there any serial number on the box or something?

Just looking for something that'll be easier to check before buying the device.
[Xperia Z1 Compact General] levz:
Hoping it will be much better than previous,it was captured by daytime now, also by a tablet.
[Xperia Z1 Compact General] SirRobin78:
Yeah, thank you! I think its good to see!
[Xperia Z1 Compact General] profyler:
the ring is definetly higher, so yes, Sony fixed it in with this new production line of Z1C.
[Xperia Z1 Compact General] SirRobin78:
Can You give us the build week please? You'll find it in the sim tray on the little pice of paper to pull out ;)

Gesendet von meinem D5503 mit Tapatalk

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Gesendet von meinem D5503 mit Tapatalk
[Xperia Z1 Compact General] smendes17:
where is the number okbuild week on this paper ?
[Xperia Z1 Compact General] SirRobin78:
You can find this data on the paper on the upper right side, same line the model type:

Example

Model: D5503 14W03

on mine device
[Xperia Z1 Compact General] GiveMe2Beers:
Could you please post some photos taken at the dark with flash, long distance subjects please? :o
[Xperia Z1 Compact General] levz:
I'll try to upload again, take so long to post the sample pic I have on z1c, something error login msg everytime I post these 5-6 pic Thru Droid tapatalk.

Btw mine is Model D5503 14W11
[Xperia Z1 Compact General] profyler:
ok, so everyone who want to buy a Z1C, buy a version that is higher or equal to 14W11
[Xperia Z1 Compact General] Gjole86:
mine is 14w07

and if i take a pic in auto mode i got the blue fog flash bleed.

but if i switch to manual mode, the picture is pitch black with few white dots.

thats the stars on the sky, no bleed at all in manual mode.

i will attach pics in few moments
[Xperia Z1 Compact General] Gjole86:
Sent from my Xperia Z1 Compact D5503
[Xperia Z1 Compact General] smendes17:
Same problem, blue in auto and not in manual. Mine is 14w10

I had order Wednesday and receive Thursday. But I don't think mine have higher piece on the camera lens. And want more details on photos for I can compare.
[Xperia Z1 Compact General] SirRobin78:
So the manuel mode is WITH flash or WITHOUT flash? I´m not sure about that...
[Xperia Z1 Compact General] Gjole86:
both with flash
[Xperia Z1 Compact General] levz:
Outdoor very low light: ,Auto flash,Superior auto

@3 feet distance

@5 feet distance

@8 feet distance

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Indoor kids play room: Total darkness/blackout, auto flash, superior auto

@ 3 feet distance

@ 6 feet distance

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Note: still @ stock 4.3
[Xperia Z1 Compact General] Baldroega:
Is there a way to check the build number on the phone?

I dont know what paper are you talking about.

thanks for the attention.

EDIT: Found it :9

14W07
[Xperia Z1 Compact General] Bionder:
Check out the slot when you have installed your SIM card, you have a small white paper that you have to pull it out.
[Xperia Z1 Compact General] GiveMe2Beers:
Sorry to tell, but i do see the flash bleeding effect almost everywhere, dude :rolleyes:
[Xperia Z1 Compact General] profyler:
negative. i only see a little in the third pic, and i dont even know if its bleed or the color of the flor.

if it had bleed bug, it would be ridiculous worse, specialy the too last fotos.

unfortunetly we cant test both, side by side.
[Xperia Z1 Compact General] Gjole86:
I will do some nice macro shots of the lens and the silver ring later, gimme few hours
[Xperia Z1 Compact General] levz:
right now I'm updating z1c I have notifications said it's system update 14.3.A.0.681, I dunno if it's a KK, its about 300+ mb, be back later and post some photo again in regards to this issue.
[Xperia Z1 Compact General] Darkfall231:
I have a quick question...

For the black model - is there any negative effects of colouring in the chrome ring? Or is it fine if you just colour that thing black as well?
[Xperia Z1 Compact General] Zweistein82:
Just one small question:

Does anyone know, if the build week is somewhere else printed down? e.g. outside the box?

Thanks & Best regards!
[Xperia Z1 Compact General] rossi2000:
both my Z1C's are 14W04

1 has the flash bleed for sure, but the other doenst seem to get it, hmmm
[Xperia Z1 Compact General] profyler:
well, is the silver ring exact the same on both phones? the updated version of the z1c has a higher silver ring.
[Xperia Z1 Compact General] profyler:
you can paint the silver ring if you want. it is just aesthetic.
[Xperia Z1 Compact General] Swaddy:
Cool

thx!

Took those pictures in a bunker before and after the "Edding / Toothpick"-fix
[Xperia Z1 Compact General] kiki-utena:
14W10 flashbleed

Can't post pics because of low post count but I placed a little bit of vinyl tape where people are painting took some photos, removed tape and took the same photos. Flash bleed is so evident even a chimp would notice the difference.

Purchased phone from a Telstra store in Australia, sim pull out reports 14W10.
[Xperia Z1 Compact General] profyler:
As I said, its probably the <14W11 models, that has the fix from sony.
[Xperia Z1 Compact General] GiveMe2Beers:
Still absolute no proof, comonstration or confirm ot that, btw.
[Xperia Z1 Compact General] SirRobin78:
A little update from Germany:

Yesterday, a german website give us information about a confirmation of this bug from sony!

It´s hard to translate in a few words but here is the link:

http://www.inside-handy.de/news/309...-bestaetigt-produktionsfehler-beim-z1-compact

2 informations:

There ARE changes in the production lines since an unknown time!

It is not sure what happend with the current phones - nothing mentioned about a repair or exchange.
[Xperia Z1 Compact General] kiki-utena:
Wasn't disagreeing with you

One user had two 14W04 models and thought one wasn't effected. Another two users had 14W07 and 14W10 models and claimed not to have the flash bleed.

I completely agree the issue wasn't fixed until 14W11 as best as we can guess from the data in this forum but some users seemed to be debating this and I was hoping to add a little more evidence.
[Xperia Z1 Compact General] rossi2000:
updated: subjects may contact the manufacturer directly: "The phones can be tested as usual through our customer service," it said on Tuesday demand.
[Xperia Z1 Compact General] profyler:
theres no official confirmation, but user Levz posted his white z1c and it clearly show a higher silver ring on the back wich blocks the flash bleed.

anyway, i agree that we need still one or two more confirmations.
[Xperia Z1 Compact General] profyler:
delete
[Xperia Z1 Compact General] profyler:
they say only for the colored z1c. i hope they also refer to the black one wich obviously has the problem, too.

i still think that user levz who posted his 14w11 white z1c has already the new production batch with the problem fixed.
[Xperia Z1 Compact General] GiveMe2Beers:
Only colored ones? WTF of an answer is that? :mad:

And the white one is supposed to be more or less "colored" than the black one????

C.mon Sony....
[Xperia Z1 Compact General] codified:
Hi, any news on those shots? Would be very helpful
[Xperia Z1 Compact General] Venekor:
It is pretty obvious since the Japanese version doesn't have the problem and Sony said themselves it had a glass back until the last moment. They changed the back cover to plastic at the last possible moment and kept glass for Japan, that is why if you buy a glass back and fit it, suddenly the issue has gone away.

The back cover just didn't get tested and it'll be fixed in later revisions, if it hasn't already been. I hardly see how this is a major issue though, I bet no one uses the flash until they heard about this problem, LED flashes are crap, just buy a glass back or contact Sony to replace it.
[Xperia Z1 Compact General] Gjole86:
Sorry about the size ... wish i can post small link pictures, with click to see full screen feature. If u know how ... pls tell me so i dont ruin the whole thread

bonus macro shot of the google chrome icon to see the screen up close
[Xperia Z1 Compact General] SirRobin78:
Thank you very much for that pictures! One question, is there any protection on your back side? or is this out of box with removing transport protection foil?
[Xperia Z1 Compact General] cc546:
Same here, mine is 14w09 but I have never experienced flash bleed...although the design is the same as OP's.
[Xperia Z1 Compact General] vetko:
Just try the "night-sky method". I'm almost convinced that it should appear in your case also, if you have the same design...
[Xperia Z1 Compact General] Gjole86:
ye i have plastic protector on the back so i don't scratch it,

its rubbery type so it gives nice grip when u hold the phone.

also the lines around the camera and the flash are from the terapin case i use.

funny i didn't know there is gap between the camera lenses and the silver ring, still it survived 20 mins water/underwater action maybe it should be like that.
[Xperia Z1 Compact General] kiki-utena:
1482 66285456

I contacted Sony Australia, they denied any knowledge of the flash bleed problem or changes to manufacturing to remedy it. They also refused to look at the German news source or to contact their German office.

So I contacted Sony Germany. They stated they were aware of the article but that it was misinformation and they could not comment any more.

Doesn't look like effected users will be getting any relief soon. I just wish Sony would admit the fault and do the right thing. It's not a deal breaker but the way Sony is handling the situation is. If they wont remedy the situation soon I'll be getting a refund from the retailer and never touching a Sony product again.
[Xperia Z1 Compact General] scotth324:
I just tried mine tonight outside. Bad flash bleed. Just got the phone yesterday from Expansys Canada and its a 14w07 model. It nearly turned the picture completely blue/white. I am gonna need to do something to fix this. Wish being as I just ordered it a week ago I would have gotten a new revision but I must have gotten old stock. Will have to see what I can do to make it invisible but an effective fix.
[Xperia Z1 Compact General] levz:
Just updated to kk few days back

Settings: Superior auto (8mp),auto flash

Low light, dark environment

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The last pic i focus the subject at tip of pine tree then led light just scattered all over,same as pointing the to infinity just like night sky, seems the limitation of led flash has been seen.
[Xperia Z1 Compact General] Bionder:
The last pic has "flashbleed" all over... It does seem that even with the change of the back, it didn't work out.
[Xperia Z1 Compact General] profyler:
negative. I can reproduce the last foto even having my bleed fixed. this is the camera algorith making the sky blue, is not a flash bleed.

On the other pics, you can see how he doesnt have the bleed, and believe me, there would be blue fog all over the picture if he had the bleed.
[Xperia Z1 Compact General] Bionder:
I've taken this pic a few weeks ago, to the sky, without any light around me. Sup auto+flash. (the white dot is a star)

This isn't flashbleed?
[Xperia Z1 Compact General] profyler:
no it isnt. Believe me, i can reproduce the same image taking a pic with my phone with superior auto + flash, and my flash bleed is already fixed.

The blue is a result of the camera algorithm + led flash but that doesnt mean its a bleeding, its just how the algorithm has been developed by sony. im pretty sure that you can reproduce it with the Xperia Z1 also.
[Xperia Z1 Compact General] Bionder:
You fixed with the marker?
[Xperia Z1 Compact General] Gjole86:
If there is bad flash bleed it will come on the manual mode too.

same phone, auto and manual mode, way different pictures.

superior auto mode = blue all over

manual = pitch black

thats proof of not having flash bleed
[Xperia Z1 Compact General] profyler:
yep, easyer way. :good:
[Xperia Z1 Compact General] profyler:
yup. still holding..
[Xperia Z1 Compact General] bongokongo:
Bleed everywhere

hello guys.

i've bought anyway a BLACK z1c, in 09/04/14 with amazon.it, despite the warnings in this and other posts in internet

regarding the flash bleed. i've risked because the apparently changing in the production line.... i think this phone is just amazing....it's a pity have a bad camera like this (when sony produces one of the most powerful and performing cameras today) :crying:

anyway...the phone arrives in 11/04/14 and immediately i've verified the model number....unfortunately a model 5503 14W08 :mad:

i've started using the phone AFTER KITKAT UPLOAD to newest firmware 14.3.A.0.681 and making pictures encountering several problems:

- annoying flash bleed

- camera crashes

- speaker problem in income calling (and in games like eternity warriors III and real racing)

:mad::mad::mad::mad::mad:

i'm asking for a replacement and waiting (praying) for a proper model,

i attached you a link referring to a shared folder in google drive where i put several folders containing device photos and different kind of pictures made with my z1c

UNFORTUNATELY I CAN'T SHARE LINK...how can i do?.... :confused:

cheers

bongokongo

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ok..i've to post almost 10 post....
[Xperia Z1 Compact General] profyler:
- annoying flash bleed - do the fix i teached

- camera crashes - install latest fw and hard reset the phone (14.3.A.0.681 is not the latest!)

- speaker problem in income calling (and in games like eternity warriors III and real racing) - install latest fw and hard reset the phone
[Xperia Z1 Compact General] bongokongo:
ok..thanks a lot. strangely when i've did the hard reset, the phone apparently makes better photos and the bleed seems to be less intensive.

for the firmware....i would keep my phone 'stock' in order to resent maybe the phone back to seller. do you confirm me that i can download a new firmware just connecting it with the proper app in my computer?

thanks a lot!
[Xperia Z1 Compact General] profyler:
yes, install the latest firmware available using pc companion or sus, after that, hard reset the phone and youre ready to go
[Xperia Z1 Compact General] Gjole86:
Or just update with SUS (sony update service) there is option to update or update and do total reset at same time,

i did backup my games only and nothing else, as all can be re downloaded and re installed
[Xperia Z1 Compact General] sfigas:
Just done it on a lime xperia z1 compact and it is fixed only a bit. What else can I do?
[Xperia Z1 Compact General] profyler:
you could try paint the chrome ring or change the back cover with the glass one.
[Xperia Z1 Compact General] sfigas:
I already painted the ring and nothing happens.

I am not gonna loose warranty by changing the back cover

In a few days I am going to exchange the phone to Z1.
[Xperia Z1 Compact General] raffounz:
Got my z1c is a 14w12 and it does not seems to have flash bleed

Inviato dal mio GT-I9100 utilizzando Tapatalk
[Xperia Z1 Compact General] Wurstwarenfachverkäuferin:
This might be too late, anyway. And I want to apologise for reciting what has already been said and all ...

Painting the ring does not actually refer to the visible chrome'ish ring - it's the "excess surface" of the camera cut-out that has to be made as opaque as possible ... just as described at the beginning of this thread (the chrome'ish ring usually just gets dyed in the process).

Worked well for me. The difference is huge (from all blue to all black).
[Xperia Z1 Compact General] SirRobin78:
Yesterday, T-Mobile Germany sent my a brand new Lime Z1 Compact, build 14KW17 - the newest build as a know in the wild.

But after first test shoots i´m very unhappy - the flash bleed is there!

Here are pictures taken with a black Z1C build week 03 and the lime Z1C build week 17.

All on auto mode with flash in totaly dark situations - first shot out of the window, house is about 7 m away. Second in the house. Third outdoor.

I´m not sure but i think sony don´t fixed the issue with newer builds. :crying:
[Xperia Z1 Compact General] doenen:
hey! just got mine. build 14w14

took these shots as described, full auto in maximum darkness. my device is black. I took pictures with my XPERIA V phone in the same conditions, in my opinion there is no regular "bleed". both camera lenses were clean!

what do you think? I believe they fixed it. the different colors are just variations in the sensor picking up barely anything.
[Xperia Z1 Compact General] SirRobin78:
The last picture, was it taken with flash in the darkness?

I´m not sure...the first picture...the blue...looks like pictures of my device with flash bleed...
[Xperia Z1 Compact General] profyler:
this is weird. I thought W17 would already been fixed. I guess you'll have to fix it with the marker :(
[Xperia Z1 Compact General] doenen:
well...i can see the picture is blueish but - its a shot into total darkness, what color do you expect? also its not only the part of the photo is blue but the whole area has the same color. to me its obviously not affected by the flash bleed...

at least to me its totally acceptable...

also I saw my z1c has the "glas" back which says "XPERIA" and not "SONY" like with previous versions...
[Xperia Z1 Compact General] kiki-utena:
Not sure that's flash bleed

Those pictures look like they were taken in Auto mode?

The only way to check for flash bleed 100% IS TO USE MANUAL MODE!

If these weren't done in Manual mode could you re-check and get back to us. I replaced my < 14W11 version with the glass back of S02F and it completely fixed flash bleed. However I can still get weird colourations in Auto mode. It's the software that's the problem with that though.