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[Galaxy Note 10.1 (2014 Edition) General] BarryH_GEG:
Personal preference of course. Some things to consider.

It's huge and comparatively heavy.

The N10.1-14 is getting 4.4 and M-UX; it's already listed as a feature on Samsung's commerce sites. It won't get the Pro features but you can download the most meaningful, Hancom Office, in the app sub-forum here. There was some question about a modified version of the Tab/Note|Pro s/w because we have a menu button and those devices have replaced it with a task button. N12 owners have reported that long-pressing the task button provides the menu function we have which means it's one set of s/w with different button function mapping. Other than the remainder of missing Pro features the only two other unique features to the N12 are four multiview windows (vs. our two) and an expanded keyboard with FN, ALT, CTRL keys.

The N12 has an inferior display because the same pixel count that's on the N10.1-14 is stretched out over a larger area. The N12 has a gross PPI of 247 compared to 299 on the N10.1-14. Both use a RGBW PenTile display which means the net RGB pixel count is 227 and the N10.1-14's is at 274. The iPad Air is 264. A couple of reviewers have mentioned seeing a difference between the Tab|Pro 8.4/10.1 and N10.1-14's displays when compared to the N12.

It's got a bigger battery and will outlast the N10.1-14. But the Exynos N10.1-14's take forever to charge so increase that even more for the N12.

It's got USB 3.0 but it does nothing to improve charging time and increases data transfer rates on Windows (only) PCs that are USB 3.0 equipped.

So in the end, especially after the N10.1-14 gets its updates, there's not a lot of difference between the two h/w and s/w wise with the biggest exception being a fairly low (for a 1080P display) net RGB pixel count of 227 on the N12. For reference the N2's 720P display had a net PPI of 267.

Happy deciding. ;)
[Galaxy Note 10.1 (2014 Edition) General] Sudbury78:
Where is the downloads of the hanscom?
[Galaxy Note 10.1 (2014 Edition) General] kevroc:
It's really nice. I don't think the extra size makes it harder to travel with. It is noticeably larger, and you see it the most when holding it with one hand while tapping and navigating with the other. Because it is larger and heavier, there's a lopsided weight to it to where it feels like it's trying to twist out of your hand. Nothing overly dramatic, but you do notice it every time. Unlike the Note 10.1 where your hand covers a larger part of the device and so there is less / none of that feeling. Any type of case etc would most likely mitigate the issue. Other than that the screen is beautiful, sure it may be lower density but nothing I ever noticed after using the Note 12.2. You'll really appreciate the larger nature of text and graphics however, and that is priceless.
[Galaxy Note 10.1 (2014 Edition) General] Stevethegreat:
May I ask how did you get the net PPI figure?

Note 10.1 has an RGBW matrix made of ~4 Mpixels (2560x1600).

This equals to the same subpixel count as a ~2.7 Mpixel RGB panel (PenTile only have 2 subpixels per pixel compared to RGB's full 3 subpixels)

Which means that our Note's effective resolution is 1306x2090.

So the hypotenuse of the panel (via the pythahorean theorem) equals to the equivalent of 2464 RGB pixels

Which finally means that we have an effective 244 PPI (2464.5/10.1)

Which is lower than Ipad's but higher than other 10.1 inch android's. iPad's screen also consumes far less battery has (arguably) better colours and most importantly does not suffer from the grayish blacks we suffer. In short if you want the best "large" panel in the market you have to go to Apple, for everything else our note is the best deal.
[Galaxy Note 10.1 (2014 Edition) General] Stevethegreat:
I honestly don't get your point, a rectangle is made of two triangles whose hypotenuse is the diagonal of said rectangle, which is why one can use the pythagorean theorem to find the diagonal's pixel count.

As for the rest I calculated what's the effective PPI of our device is in RGB terms, again I don't see where I'm wrong. I called it effective because most screens use an RGB panel. A 1306x2090 panel produces exactly the same sub-pixel count as our note. Now due to subpixels' placing one may see a different picture altogether, but holding our note side by side with an Ipad it is more pixilated, which shows to me that the 299 number is literally meaningless since we are talking about a different screen tech...
[Galaxy Note 10.1 (2014 Edition) General] GeorgeP:
Yeah I would have done it the same way Stevethegreat did. But I'm not familiar with how they create the illusion of more subpixels.
[Galaxy Note 10.1 (2014 Edition) General] ddzado:
I am debating which one to get- the note 10.1 2014 or the tab pro 12.2. Does the screen size make it a must have?
[Galaxy Note 10.1 (2014 Edition) General] gcrutchr:
I wanted to get the Note Pro 12.2 until I saw the price (am in Bangkok):

29,900 baht (~$930). I love my Note 10.1 2014.
[Galaxy Note 10.1 (2014 Edition) General] Stevethegreat:
@ Duly.noted: OK I get you dislike of ipad and it is not without merit but I was comparing the sub pixel count of our device with that of ipad's and unlike what BarryH_GEG said my calculations are not wrong, you said it yourself we have 1/3rd less subpixels. Now I often keep my tablet at a distance of 8-10 inches close to my eyes. Granted I keep it closer than most people, and also -granted- text looks better but everything else *doesn't* and *that's* my point, technically we have a worse screen but to most people it is just fine. It is not splitting hairs though, I would much prefer ipad's panel but then I would lose android's flexibility and the spen

As an experiment put a red text in a yellow background and *tell* me that it looks the same to you (same clarity) as in an ipad, because it sure as hell doesn't to me.

Anyway, this thread is about Note 12.2, so imagine it as a thought experiment in an even larger more spread out fashion. Again to many people this is splitting hairs but I think it is more important to let more people learn of the impact of pentile technology than simply call the panel a 2560 x1600 panel and be done with it. I'm surely not as happy to learn about it *after* I bought the tablet, but you're right it may not be that big of a deal, the biggest deal by far (for me) was/is the "milky" blacks and the atrocious gamma raise when looked at from different angles, both not expected from a panel of this calibre. I sure hope that note 12.2 have/had this issue fixed, because especially in such a large panel it would make quite an impact to its picture quality. Much more than the pentile arrangement would (even in principle) be able to make.
[Galaxy Note 10.1 (2014 Edition) General] GeorgeP:
Yes you are ranting, fine if you want to do that, but your rant has almost nothing to do with the post you quoted. It it not about false information, whether the screen was good enough, nor 4:3 ratio. It is about methodology for calculating PPI. That may be interesting for someone comparing a Tab Pro 12.2, Note 10.1 2014, or an ipad.
[Galaxy Note 10.1 (2014 Edition) General] TabGuy:
Here's my input. I had the Note 12.2 for about a week. I returned it without hesitation for the Note 10.1 (14). Why?

1. It's heavier. I came from an original Tab 10.1 and one would think that 4 ounces more isn't a big deal. That's what I kept telling myself. Yet it is. My hand got tired holding it very quickly where it never got tired holding the 10.1.

2. It's larger. Well, you say, that's the point isn't it? Yeah, but there's an odd thing about it being larger, it's harder to hold it. If you remember your physics class then you'll understand that the center of gravity for the 12.2 moves further from the hand than the 10.1. Throw in 4 ounces more weight and the torque applied to the hand makes it uncomfortable to hold in one hand.

3. The screen is just bigger, not better. The apps don't use the real estate better. They're just larger. It's like putting larger buttons on a pushbutton phone. You don't get more buttons, you just get larger ones. It's the same with your TV. A 50" screen has the exact same number of pixels and resolution as a 40" screen, just larger. Now, for us folks getting older one would think that this would be a good thing. It wasn't. It just didn't feel right.

4. Magazine UX. It was fun. For about 30 minutes. Because it was so limited I found it to be boring after a short period of time. I installed Apex.

5. When I combined it with a Zagg hard keyboard case it did a fine job as a desktop device. The keyboard was full sized and easy to use. Felt great. But, then I found myself pulling out my 15.6" laptop for those times instead. After all, if 12.2 is good on the desktop 15.6 is better.

6. One thing that I really liked on the larger screen was the ability to have up to 4 apps running at once. Mult-apps feels cramped on the 10.1" screen and it felt much better on the 12.2" screen.

My comments here are very personal and may only apply to me. They're intended to be a "heads up." Here's what I'd recommend to anyone thinking about getting a 12.2" tablet. Buy it at Best Buy or any other brick and mortar store that permits easy returns. Try it out, you'll know in a few days if it's for you. If you don't like it just return it. No harm done. (Don't do this at Fry's, they charge a 15% restocking fee.)

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Side note on PPI:

PPI doesn't matter. Look at the screen. Run the apps you normally use. Do you like what you see? Yes? That's all that matters. Period.
[Galaxy Note 10.1 (2014 Edition) General] ddzado:
So I'm hoping to try all this out and see if it bothers me. I've never had a tablet before, but I've used the tablets of others.

I am hoping that I can root the thing and change a couple of the things you were mentioning. For example, I'm on a G2 right now, having the same issues with a bigger screen/apps are just bigger. I changed my LCD density (effectively the screen resolution) and now have a much better use of the real estate on the screen.

Another big test would be if the S-Pen works well on the Tab Pro (yes that's right Tab Pro). You would instantly save $100 minus the difference for buying a stylus. I don't care for the S-Pen software, just the handwriting capability.

I am also nervous about all the bloatware/UX that comes with it... I'm a guy that buys a phone and has it rooted/ROM'd before I go to bed. We'll see how long I last....
[Galaxy Note 10.1 (2014 Edition) General] Stevethegreat:
There are many of us who like to read , for many hours. Be it literature, articles, long emails. While a screen may look beautiful at first glance after long hours it can and will become tiresome if the PPI is below some threshold. As a reader PPI is the first I look for when buying a new tablet. Fortunately note's pentile handles text beautifully so I suspect it would not be a problem for note 12.2 either
[Galaxy Note 10.1 (2014 Edition) General] mustbepbs:
It won't work. The tab pro doesn't have an active digitizer. It wouldn't even work as a capacitive stylus. You'd just get nothing.
[Galaxy Note 10.1 (2014 Edition) General] ddzado:
Well that blows. I mean.. you can draw with your finger... so why wouldn't any stylus work?
[Galaxy Note 10.1 (2014 Edition) General] Duly.noted:
A capacitive stylus is made with a material that effects the electrical current of the touchscreen causing it to register as a touch in the same way a finger does. Pieces of metal will register as well. The spen is a active stylus. The tip is a nonconductive rubber or plastic tip and it affects the touchscreen using a magnetic field detected by the digitizer layer. This allows much greater accuracy and by increasing the magnetic force with a button sensitive to pressure allows pressure sensing. However, it would not function on any device that did not have either a resistive touchscreen or digitizer layer.
[Galaxy Note 10.1 (2014 Edition) General] redstar299:
Get one... The 12.2 is amazing. It's a HUGE upgrade. I don't care about specs and benchmarks... In day to day use its way better.
[Galaxy Note 10.1 (2014 Edition) General] ddzado:
Well I didn't know the S-pen was an active stylus. Thanks for the info.
[Galaxy Note 10.1 (2014 Edition) General] Duly.noted:
No problem man. That's what I figured
[Galaxy Note 10.1 (2014 Edition) General] Stocklone:
I think a 12.2" Android tablet without an S Pen is a crime. I honestly thought they weren't going to release the Tab Pro at this size. But this isn't the first time that Samsung did something that I thought was silly. And it won't be the last.

As someone who takes notes regularly with their Note 10.1 2014, some pen colors look like utter crap (not slightly less better) and should be avoided at all costs thanks to pentile. I think pentile does great for the majority of cases at 1600p but it's not perfect or even near perfect. It's just as silly to say the screen is flawless as it is to say the screen sucks.

I honestly wouldn't minded if Samsung would have done a 1200p version of the screen that was used with the original Note 10.1. I loved the yellows on that screen.
[Galaxy Note 10.1 (2014 Edition) General] ddzado:
I got the Note 10.1 2014. I'm hoping I can like it... I'm already hesitant.
[Galaxy Note 10.1 (2014 Edition) General] mjrshark:
dont hesitant , if ya get the pro , there will be another device better , so you will get the better one you'll find there another one is better .... etc

specially if ya following samsung , everyday new device , small middle large , its good and bad in same time

good you will get what suits you , size , spec etc

bad , they don't really care about software that much and cant find alot of accessories
[Galaxy Note 10.1 (2014 Edition) General] Duly.noted:
I think you will love it man It is a truly awesome tablet. I actually hated all tablets before the 10.1 2014 and the 12.2 Note pro. I thought they were worthless but these changed my mind.
[Galaxy Note 10.1 (2014 Edition) General] ddzado:
I returned it :/

I just wasn't that impressed. It was way to pricey for what it delivered. I'd be way happier with the new Nexus 10 (if it ever shows up).
[Galaxy Note 10.1 (2014 Edition) General] BarryH_GEG:
The new Pro/Note's are truly impressive - for the right audience. They are complete overkill for both purists (Nexi fans) and consumption users. People ***** about Samsung's add-on s/w and they've thrown all that they can conjure in to their new high-end devices; especially those with S Pen and all the additional associated s/w. For productivity users there aren't any tablets on the market better than the new Note's. For others you can pick-up a 32GB N10 for $250 on eBay. The new Asus TF701 with Teg4 and a 2,560x1,600 display can be had new for $349. Compared to between $500-850 for the new Samsung tablets people that aren't interested in all the new features would be better off going for either of the two cheaper and purer alternatives.
[Galaxy Note 10.1 (2014 Edition) General] ps000000:
I ran my 10.1 (2014) P601 for about 2 month ago

I am thinking to swap to Note Pro 12.2 (P901) ............... (No P605 / P905 in my country)

Price different (for both new unit) here is 10000 Thai Baht

(about 310 USD)

(mainly use for Hay Day game & Web browsing / Facebook / PhoneCall )

Does +310 USD is reasonable price for my usage ?

Thanks in advance .:laugh:
[Galaxy Note 10.1 (2014 Edition) General] BarryH_GEG:
It all depends on what you want from the P901 that you're not getting from your P601. Once the P601 gets 4.4/M-UX they'll be almost identical s/w wise and you can get Hancom Office and Remote PC in the apps section of this forum. Side Sync 3.0 is free to all once Samsung gets off their butts and makes the PC client available. They are identical h/w wise except for USB 3.0, a larger battery, and the lower PPI on the N12. If a 10.1" display is too small for you or you don't want to wait for the P601's s/w to be upgraded then get the N12. If you're buying the P901 simply because of Samsung's marketing it as "Pro" and "new" then you're wasting $300.
[Galaxy Note 10.1 (2014 Edition) General] Duly.noted:
exnay on the ancomhay Hancom contacted Xda and had all links removed because it was only for the " pro" tablets
[Galaxy Note 10.1 (2014 Edition) General] GalaxyNotesTx:
Saw it yesterday,,Total waste of money..Our 10,1 is much better!!

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Here are my thoughts..If you want the out of the box experience and like "Cheesewiz" Then yes the new tab accomplishes this with the addition of KitKat.. That is all I noticed..Oh that and the huge price tag and awkward huge screen.
[Galaxy Note 10.1 (2014 Edition) General] GeorgeP:
Yeah, also, it appears they put a device check in the latest version of Hancom. The latest version does not run on a N10.1 2014 (unless you ootray and odifymay).
[Galaxy Note 10.1 (2014 Edition) General] Duly.noted:
I actually have had both and I love my 12.2 the screen size in my opinion is perfect. I always felt the 10.1 was too small. Kitkat is great as well. Even all of the snote apps feel much smoother (snote page changing for instance) and compatibility with many apps is better. Lecture notes runs much better on the 12.2 than the 10.1 which has had some issues with it (particularly In multiwindow) other noteworthy apps include gmd gesture control which is running better on the 12.2. It doesnt like to play nice with the spen on the 10.1

And hancom office (now not available through normal means to you 10.1 users. The screen realestate is also much appreciated when working in Hancom and other apps or when watching movies (or better yet playing emulators :D). The battery life is better and the screen dpi decrease isnt even noticeable (some may disagree but I dont look at my tab through a magnifying glass) multiwindow has some nice new features a few of which do not carry over to the 10.1 even with the available mods. Like the ability to maximize one window without closing the others. The pop up windows not trying to lock down into place every time you move them (very appreciated during multitasking) and 4 way multi instance in hancom and the internet browser. Note taking is much more pleasant as you can actually rest your wrist and arm on the device due to the extra size. The 12.2 is not for everyone but it definitely has many advantages afforded by more mature software (the 10.1 feela like a beta by comparison) and more real estate. And kitkat is very smooth (to the point that after debloating I question the need for custom roms for any reason other than adding functions or cosmetics) To imply it is a waste of money or a bad device is unfair as you are obviously not the target demographic or someone that would appreciate these small (but very very appreciated) boosts to usability.
[Galaxy Note 10.1 (2014 Edition) General] BarryH_GEG:
^^^^^

This.

Laptops come in multiple different sizes too but no one argues that one's "better" than the other. It depends on what you're using it for. A 17" laptop is great for mammoth spreadsheets but you'll need a chiropractor if you travel with it. A 12" ultrabook is a joy to travel with but good luck creating or editing complex documents on it. The 8.4<>10.1<>12.2 comparison is the same thing with the only right answer being the one that provides the best compromise between portability and utility for the individual purchaser.

P.S. - Until we see what the N10.1-14 gets in terms of M-UX/4.4 it's really premature to declare both an advantage of buying a N12. M-UX is still listed as a N10.1-14 feature on Samsung's e-commerce sites so it's not a matter of "if" the N10.1-14's getting upgraded it's a matter of "when."
[Galaxy Note 10.1 (2014 Edition) General] Duly.noted:
Oh didnt mean it that way m-ux looks nice but im using nova (although I set a page of widgets into something similar) and it is true the 2014 will get kitkat. Might try m-ux again and see if it likes being modified with app settings.... dpi change? Hmmmm Its just a current difference. To me the extra screen space for writing/multitasking is easily worth it though.
[Galaxy Note 10.1 (2014 Edition) General] mar11974:
SideSync 3.0 PC Client:

http://www.samsung.com/global/download/Sidesyncwin/
[Galaxy Tab Pro 12.2, 10.1, 8.4 Q&A, Help & Trouble] JaylanPHNX:
Could somebody provide me with the stock dpi for the 8.4? I flashed a ROM that has a different one and forgot to check the original first.
[Galaxy Tab Pro 12.2, 10.1, 8.4 Q&A, Help & Trouble] leatherneck6017:
It's 320.
[Galaxy Tab Pro 12.2, 10.1, 8.4 Q&A, Help & Trouble] JaylanPHNX:
Thanks. I prefer the tablet layout to the phablet/N7 style.

From my Pro Tab 8.4
[Optimus L3, L5, L7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Whohooboy:
I tried to extend my phone memory with CW (using SDCard).

After the procedure choosing the 2056MB, (and making a backup before this) 5GB dissapeared of my SDCard and only added 1GB added to my phone memory. Because I had 5GB occupying, I cannot put it back. So I want to recover that memory. Any idea how?

Thank you.
[Optimus L3, L5, L7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] cmpitg:
What proceduce did you apply? Any reference?
[G Pad 8.3 General] manikkumar20:
Dear all,

I just Bought the Lg G pad 8.3, 5 days ago and want to tell you my story i faced.

I just purchased and i was too excited for its screen, light weight and good specs.. But when i bought within 2 days without installing many apps i got Over heating issues with watching you tube. my tab used to restart with a msg that its over heating and needs to restart. Even i was not able to move my brightness of screen to its max level. Then finally i thought to order a replacement. and after 3 days i went back and Replaced it with other one. New of course. and this time again my bad luck the hearing issue still exits but not as bad as earlier also speaker sound comes disturbing there is kind of glitches and sound is not good in full volume...:(

I don't know if anyone else here is facing over heating problem? or other issues or its only me??

Do shoot your stories and comments here..

Thanks,
[G Pad 8.3 General] ej_424:
Sounds like you are having bad luck. While there are some shortcomings on the unit mine has been solid and my main complaint is purely the screen gama issues. I'm hoping someone can inject a fix into a customer kernel like they did for the V510
[G Pad 8.3 General] Grklein:
Ditto. Never had any overheating problem.
[G Pad 8.3 General] erwaso:
Mine gets warm after an hour or two of straight gameplay but not watching a movie.exchange it again.
[G Pad 8.3 General] RaiderWill:
I had no idea they even shown an Overheating Msg.. Maybe you should try a different Vendor if you have that option.. Try to get one from another batch.. Are you also saying you have speaker issues with the stock LG ROM? In most cases, it's the loudest speaker option without adding something like Viper.. :cool:
[G Pad 8.3 General] manikkumar20:
Yes i 1 had the 12/2013 batch now i got 11/2013 batch. This one seems ok regarding the heating issues...but the speaker on this batch in not as good as i had in my earlier tab which i replaced.. sound feels Shaky voice from thje left speaker..:(
[G Pad 8.3 General] RaiderWill:
May I ask you.. Where are you purchasing your G-Pads from?
[G Pad 8.3 General] manikkumar20:
This is the screenshot of the error i got in my last tab (Sorry its in Chinese) ..It says that I cant turn the brightness to full because of high temperature of tab...
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro Software Upgrading] magicuser:
good day dear users,

sorry for stupid questions.

just getting today my new toy, MDA PRO in german, bought in Austria probably.

it is already open for all sims (so no sim lock, in case that info helps).

i really hope i can convert it somehow to english, can someone tell me if that is possible, and i would be very greatful if someone can even describe me how to do that (hard) software-operation.

thank you very very much in advance!

magicusery@yahoo.com