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[iPAQ rw6828, XDA Atom General] Yukon_28:
Realy,its so stupid...Like childrens,anyone has HP say its way-way better,and all Atom users say that Atom is better.Wake up,we speak about same devices!I have Atom for a month,also have used HP few hours.Its exectly SAME devices inside!About ROM,Atom has 43mb,but install ShowHidenPartition.CAB and you'll the same as HP's size,HP's ROM bigger only because its have not "hiden" part.

Now,about qualaty & buttons - HP does not have more buttons then Atom,its have 2 soft buttons but have not media & start menu buttons,if you like soft buttons - remap Atoms keys,number of buttons same on two devices.I think we will see start menu key remaper,its not a big problem,personaly i prefer application keys,soft buttons i mapped for long press (used AEButtonMaper).Also,Atom looks better in my (and few peoples i asked) opnion,HP does not looks like something special,and its plastic cover looks bad.Speed - Atom with lastest ROM bit faster,but generaly they have same speed and same sound qualaty,because same HardWare,HP simply can't be better then Atom and Atom can't be better then HP.

So,its realy nothing to speek & think about,its SAME devices that looks little diferent,you have to put you hands on both of them,take a look and use'am for a few hours if you can,after buy one that you like more,inside its a same hardware.
[iPAQ rw6828, XDA Atom General] Osir1s:
Well im a jasjar user by default, but considering switching back to a non clamshell design, so naturally I went and had a play with both of these phones.

The differences I discovered were

1. The Camera quality on the RW6828 is noticably superior, maybe its different software, but I was lead to believe its a HP 2MP SmartFocus, not the same as the o2's but in any event the camera is noticably different

2. I noticed games tended to drag a little on the RW6828. ie, Skyforce would periodically slowdown, and become jerky, as would Atomic Battle Dragons. I imagine thats an area where o2 has the advantage, and some catch up ROMS by HP should correct this.

3. The casing of the rw6828 simply feels and works better than the atoms. Putting aside taste, which is an individual thing, no creaks, or sqweaks from the RW6828, feels like a more solid and better made case.

4. At the moment people can purchase this device for $200 and more, cheaper than the Atom.

Overall there seemed to be improved audio and phone clarity on the RW6828, but that may have been a subjective thing as I tested them both on different networked sims.

In any case the RW6828 won out for me, my first impressions gravitated towards the atom, but it doesnt leave a good impression when you pick it up, the back of it creaks and you notice your fingerprints all over it. Despite both devices being produced by Quanta im inclined to feel some upgraded hardware would have been used, its almost naive to imagine that in all the months since the Atoms production, that they couldnt easily fit an improved camera lens and speaker setup to this device.

o2 Might have the lead with all their ROM updates and fixes they have corrected but im inclined to feel this time difference has allowed HP to produce a better out of the box ROM, and a practically similar device with a few important corrections.

Thats my impressions as someone who recently played with both anyway.
[iPAQ rw6828, XDA Atom General] goldsaint:
i totally agree with u. i tested both device in terms of sound, camera and even programs :

atom : with latest rom upgrade = more stable, better cam and soundquality that gives me an A++++ satisfaction.

Hp : exactly the same as atom with latest rom, but cannot run wisbar advance 2 as the atom (very sluggish) or even xscale scalar wont have any effect on both device.

i think that the key that will help u guys choose between Atom or HP will be the Next Rom Upgrade that will be available for the atom.

i really dont know what they can improve anymore as i personaly love my atom, but if they can make wisbar advance 2 work full speed on it, i'll be the most happiest person cause i'll be able to load the Vista Skin for it.

:)
[iPAQ rw6828, XDA Atom General] X-ZeLsO:
thats right...

but where to buy an HPrw6828? (looks better and I have Spain support)

where do you bought them?!?!
[iPAQ rw6828, XDA Atom General] User22:
Hey X-ZeLsO, my friend, you look like tired of your actual ppc, insn't it :lol:
[iPAQ rw6828, XDA Atom General] X-ZeLsO:
HEY! User22!!

Thats right, my actual device, not was I espected... runs properly, but I'm searching other types, other frontiers... more PDA and less mobile phone concept... lol!

well... look in at the thread... WHERE TO BUY!! (www.doml.com has it, but EXPENSIVE... over 1000$)

Cherrs!
[iPAQ rw6828, XDA Atom General] User22:
You know that this device is not working like it supposed to work, just check my signatur :twisted:
[iPAQ rw6828, XDA Atom General] X-ZeLsO:
yes...

I saw it before...

really descriptive

for this... where to buy an rw6828? :D

rgds
[iPAQ rw6828, XDA Atom General] Nutdhanai:
Sorry but I have to disagree with you there.

They re not the SAME device.. but you need to be appreciative enough to notice these little details that distinguish best from second best -

i) They look different

ii) the HP is thicker in dimension.. thus more solid feel..

iii) The buttons look and feel different, and the HP is a lot more usable (with right software)

iv) the software package are different, HP is A LOT better and more usable

v) Some other things are different maybe hardware..because I dont have the same problem that I used to have with my Atom (Ive used 2 Atoms both with same problem) in thread here http://xdaforums.com/viewtopic.php?t=52821

but if you are a non power user or just dont care of the minor differences then.. i guess they could be the same by your standards.. its just in the matter of details thats all .. and its not stupid..
[iPAQ rw6828, XDA Atom General] goldsaint:
power user

if u speak in terms of details,

i am a power user and i have both device right now :

i can tell u that just by seeing the hp face every morning makes me want to trow up.

the Hp has the exact same motherboard as the atom.

the only noticable thing that change physically speaking are the speakers in front that are bigger than the atom ones.

now...for the sound ? exactly the same !

and if u dont believe still what i say, just try to flash ur hp with the aton latest rom or vice versa and u'll see that it will work.
[iPAQ rw6828, XDA Atom General] Nutdhanai:
Re: power user

i dont think you are just yet because real power users should notice those kinds of difference and would appreciate the little minor details if they offer better experience...or i dont know if you have but maybe you just need to actually use the devices (maybe for at least a week) so that you can actually tell the difference.. not just comparing them when they are sitting in front of you. It did take me a few days for me to notice a couple of improvements over the Atom. (again this is in terms of performance.. not looks)

Just a matter of taste really... but both my Atom squeaks and that doesnt give me the assurance that im using a quality device..

Do you have any proofs that they are exactly the same motherboard and other components? If you dont then try not to post something unproven.. what I do know that they perform different when used in a moving car.. the signals and receptions on the HP is more stable.

but anyhow my posts are merely suggestions and observations and just intending to help people who needs to make decisions on buying Atom over HP... and for people who are unhappy with their Atom to try the HP.

In fact just to give other users more feedback, i ve used me HP 6828 for more than a week now and I have yet to be forced to perform a soft reset.. the device is just so stable.. calls have been above average, push email has been great but have drained the battery a bit more. (go to www.mail2web.com to get your push mail working) Overall so far, I am totally satisfied with the HP 6828 and it has given me even better experience than what the O2 Mini use to give me.
[iPAQ rw6828, XDA Atom General] Osir1s:
Id be more inclined to throw up at the site of the atom and all its finger prints and every spec of dust on the planet. I only played around with the atom for an afternoon and was already sick of wiping down the device or looking at fimngerprints.

But thats each to their own, I cant comment much ive played with both devices but unfortuntely when I finally decided to buy a 6828 the store had sold out :(
[iPAQ rw6828, XDA Atom General] klikman:
O2 XDA ATOM Exec soon!!!!!

there is an upgrade version of atom. with bigger rom, 192MB, intel 520mhz.

check it out here . . .

http://www.ppcsg.com/index.php?showtopic=77804
[iPAQ rw6828, XDA Atom General] Osir1s:
The HP should be good once more ppl have it and manage to hack the ATOM rom for use with the HP.
[iPAQ rw6828, XDA Atom General] Sage:
i work for HP.. i can get 2 rw6828's for $750 each. Brand new in box.

Only available to Australians.

let me now.
[iPAQ rw6828, XDA Atom General] Yukon_28:
Re: power user

You THINK that you are power user,and i am not sure that you are :wink: I am also used both devices,and i have not seen any diference you talking about.I am happy for you that you like you HP,but dont tell us wrong things,you are not one & only here that used both.So,about buttons - what you mean in

?! OMG,its SAME set of buttons!Feels exectly same!Buttons bad on both devices,i realy missed normal buttons panel like on s200 (2x Soft Buttons,Start Menu,OK,Green,Red).This a only reason that make me think about change atom to another device,i think about 9600...

Totaly disagree,in terms of LOOK atom its far better,its not only what i am think,i show to few people both deviced (Atom black,white & HP) - all of them told that atom looks better,guys told that black one is better,looks "cooler",and girls like a white one,because its "sexy" look.

Alsoo,noone like this plastic cover,its realy does not looks good.

Agree,they are.

One thing that i notice - HP camera pics looks better than atom's,not that MUCH,but better.

Please explain.First - i dont care about software,because if you are real power user like you say,you know that preinstalled soft not realy usefull in many terms.Second - i also have not seen something realy usefull in HP ROM you have not in atom's one,specialy if you downloaded all adds from O2 site using auto installer.HP missed manu programs from o2 ROM also,so you totaly wrong,HPs ROM is not better,in my terms :wink:

It is your problem,its not something that all users has,not kind of known bug.I use 2 SIMs - Orange (GSM calls\GPRS) & Celcom (EDGE) and never seen problem you are talking about.May be its because i am not so power youser as you are ? :twisted:
[iPAQ rw6828, XDA Atom General] Osir1s:
Bozo, Blinky, you wanna knock off this little subjective debate.

Debating the damn casing and buttons is like windows fanboys shouting at mac fanboys your not going to get anywhere, why because casing, buttons etc is a personal preference!

If either of you two had actually used this damn device you would note that the current important factor seperating them is that the current Atom rom makes the Atom exactly what it should have been, where as whilst the out of the box rom for the HP is stable and quite responsive, it needs updating just like the Atom did. The HP has a growing list of software which doesnt work on it yet, and not to mention a plethora of games which all work fine on the Atom. So you want the difference? The only measurable difference that is not subjective is the performance of the Roms, so debate that in your pipe and smoke it.!
[iPAQ rw6828, XDA Atom General] chuckster:
Are the accessories for the Atom useable on the RW6828?

1. Battery

2. Charger

3. etc.
[iPAQ rw6828, XDA Atom General] MasK:
Here's my 2 cents on the 2 sevices.

I have used the Atom for 7 months, and now, rw6828 for just over a week.

COSMETICALLY:

I like the way HP looks. it's dual tone casing rocks. Furthermore, no fingerprints. The flip is very useful especially if ya got oily skin, etc :P

As for built-wise, none of my devices squeaked. So not an issue here.

As for buttons, HP has many chrome buttons, which are prone to scratches (like anything else on the device) BUT... they won't fade off. As for the Atom, the power and volume buttons are plastic, but the camera and voice recorder button is rubber! I know it, as I opened up the unit before. This explains why my rubber buttons had it's silver fading off!

Also, if you have many rubbing actions over that silver coated buttons, it will wear off too (atom: red-green call buttons / centre dial)

As for HP, there isn't any silver coated buttons which will have much rubing actions (only the softkeys, which are flat, thus not having much rubbing)

So generally, the HP will look better in the long run.

The LED lights are also placed differently than the Atom, which brings to show that HP really made an effort to differ from Atom and get Quanta to ammend the PCB.

SOFTWARE:

HP is stable and fast right out of the box. I am doing apple-apple comparison here, as I used O2 plus and other softwares on both devices :P

Atom isn't that bad too here. But when it comes to music listening, HP wins hands down. It's bass boost can punch up bass without cracking the music up. I play lotsa bassy tracks, and it really benefits me. 3D surround sounds great too. The only bad side of HP is that once you're playing music, the unit becomes too slow to do ANYTHING else. I gotta pause my track before I send a message out or write a note. I figure it's because of the sound processing. Another downside is that theres a constant hissing sound when ya play your music. Not so bad for me, as my music always overpowers the hiss :P

And oh.. as for the Atom, it just can't handle bass. The equalizer only makes it worse.

Other than these, I also found the soft keys beneficial. That's a way a WM5 device should be. (look at dopod 818pro keys and ya know what i mean)

MISC:

Ringtons sound pretty soft compared to the Atom. Basically anything that comes out from the speaker is much softer

Awwight then.. this are my 2 cents.. oops.. maybe 3 cents. A little too much, eh? :lol:
[iPAQ rw6828, XDA Atom General] splua333:
Im not think so the Hp rw6828 is better than Atom.

The Data never lies. i Had proved that the Spb Benchmark Data for Atom is near and match to my Atom. And some of my rw6828 user had proved that the result too. Show that Atom is much powerful than rw6828 in current ROM for both device.
[7" Kindle Fire HD Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] lpcrazerocks:
Hey kindle owners ! I need your advice and also opinions on the 7' Kindle fire HD...! :)

I am a student and basically I'm getting a tablet for reading and also for movies/music. Before I actually buy it, I need to know what I should expect from getting a Kindle for my daily use. There will be a lil of light gaming tho.

I've read that there's no USB OTG function for kindle. One of the cons because this tablet is suppose to last at least for 5 years. Paying about 200usd on my own as a student so it'll be a painful experience if I don't know what I should expect from this tablet.

All opinions and advice are much appreciated ! :)
[7" Kindle Fire HD Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] wire55:
You would be alot happier with the Nexus 7 (2013) device. That device has alot more freedom. Custom ROM's, Recovery and all that other stuff that the Kindle Fire HD (2013) does not have because Amazon doesn't like us on a different ROM.
[7" Kindle Fire HD Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] FireBean:
I just acquired my Kindle and I am using it for the same reason. It has limited internal storage but I use Copy (20Gb) and GDrive (15Gb) to backup online (for free of course) and move files from my computer, phone and Kindle.

Rooting wasn't hard at all since these fine folks put together some great tools to use. I am running CM11 and I have yet to find any issues whatsoever.

I have only been using it a few days but I can see this being a huge asset for school.

Regard,

FB
[7" Kindle Fire HD Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] wire55:
You can't get a brand new HD 2012 anymore. Only used. And used products are the worst. They could be selling you a stolen device or a half broken device.

Sent from my Kindle Fire HD 7 running PAC-man
[7" Kindle Fire HD Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] lpcrazerocks:
Hello. I'm getting myself the new Kindle Fire HD 7' . Don't see any reason why I should go for the older one. ;)

One of the answers I've been praying to see. haha.. How is reading on the 7' tablet? Is it too small ? I'm afraid that I won't be able to read and need zoom in just to read a part of the page. ( especially magazines) Anyway thanks for replying! :good::good:

I would be happier with the Nexus 7 too, if I had the money to buy one :crying: . However I have been rooting my phone and I stick to one rom after that. I'm not really into development so yeah, more like daily use and some cool add-ons i can do to it . Thanks for replying ! :)
[7" Kindle Fire HD Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] stunts513:
Let's see reasons to buy older 2012 kindle, specs are about the same, it is flashable 2013 is not, we have recovery methods that work on the 2012, we don't on the 2013... 2012 has camera and mic, 2013 doesn't, 2012 has HDMI out, 2013 doesn't... In general the 2013 isn't that great, I think Google play store use on it is still not fully working too, I'll let other people confirm that though.
[7" Kindle Fire HD Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] wire55:
This is why you get the 2012. You can get 2012 one for $129 2013 is $199

Sent from my Kindle Fire HD running AOKP
[7" Kindle Fire HD Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] lpcrazerocks:
Oh my :( . didn't notice that .... was too concentrated on the functions in the system and also purchases on amazon.... Thanks for the comparison ... Wouldn't have notice it without your help ! :good:
[7" Kindle Fire HD Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] lpcrazerocks:
Sadly, over in Malaysia, I'll have to get it via a person managing with suppliers . And they only carry the new Kindle Fire HD. Well that's just so darn disappointing for me. :crying:
[7" Kindle Fire HD Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] lpcrazerocks:
Guys, I have asked for the 2012 version. As you guys have said, 2012 version is much more worth it right? What about the firmware + apps? The software can be converted into the CM 11 without any lags right? Thanks for the reply.... Hope I get this one soon to confirm my purchase ! :o

Apparently , the older version of kindle will cost me 60 USD extra. That really sucks. But please do advise me on the apps and software. From what the seller said, apps and software could be hard for me to get as time pass by. But if I were to root + flash a new rom, that wouldn't be a problem right?
[7" Kindle Fire HD Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] stunts513:
Correct, we have cm 11 ROMs running on it smoothly. The original amazon is on it was only ICS based, which I think was weird, seems like every time amazon releases a new device they don't have the current build of android on it, they have previous version on it. I mean I think even the hdx had 4.2.2 on it instead of 4.3, considering kitkat had just come out and its 4.4.
[7" Kindle Fire HD Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] DeanDomino:
I bought a 7" Kindle Fire HD last week when it was on sale for only 79€. I think it's the best purchase I made this year :laugh:
[Security Discussion] hyloc:
New Lenovo S930 (Chinese import)

com.mediatek.thermalmanager

Did some searching and did not find much significant ,

Just this at github https://github.com/scmsystm/mt6577_...ackages/MTKThermalManager/AndroidManifest.xml

And this

https://www.trustlook.com/report/EDC8E71F39409F368C800813B8AB657E/com.mediatek.thermalmanager/

Also, when I check using a permission explorer app on my phone I also get the same results as above(must be a database)

Now the permissions on the above links are reasonable but on my phone in system/apps/MTK Thermal Manager(com.mediatek.thermalmanager) I have a huge list of every invasive permission.. See attached image.

Should I be worried?

I can't disable it.

No safe root yet (see my post http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=2667379)

Any advice?
[Security Discussion] skankinmonkey:
Can't really see your screenshot. General rule, be scared of chinese stock software. :)
[Security Discussion] hyloc:
Sorry here's a link to the screenshot

https://mega.co.nz/#!GwZB1YYQ!rheOIRKnWc_btI-g8REGtxiFiprtuFneEbKbwgQb6p8
[Security Discussion] theJGstandard:
Yeah I wouldn't trust this at all. Why would a battery management app need to "directly call phone numbers, take pictures and videos, modify contacts, etc, etc" there is an incredible amount of permissions for a battery app.

It may be possible to uninstall, maybe. Try going to your main android menu, go to security settings, device administrator, and see if the app is listed in device admin. If it is remove it from that list and then you will be able to uninstall.

Lemme know if that works.
[Security Discussion] hyloc:
Hi and thanks for the reply.

Opened security settings/device administrator but app not listed there.

In systemsettings/apps only an option to force stop but uninstall and disable are not available.

But apart from that, even if I could uninstall I am concerned that losing the legit functions of the app may mess with my phone.

Stressful because every time I look at my phone now(which is often), it niggles me that my phone camera may be looking back.

Also I have read somewhere(sorry can't find link right now) that disabling this app can cause problems.

Hmm.. Love this phone very much but I wish it was more popular.. :banghead:
[Security Discussion] Baby Jesus:
I've once seen a mention on a Chinese forum that this service is supposed to turn off the phone in case of [battery] overheating (search: +"过热关机" +mtk). Makes sense for the manufacturer given the risk of lawsuits if a phone blows up in somebody's hand.

I've disabled the service a number of months ago and had no problem whatsoever. Lenovo p700i.

--

Edit: Must note, I don't run any games or heavy apps that may heat the phone. My most power/heat-intensive use of the phone is riding bike for a few hours in the 30+℃ heat with GPS permanently on for recording the route. YMMV.

Also, you gave the link to the source, thanks, the source basically confirms the above theory.
[Moto G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] peslap:
The problem is like this:

SOMETIMES when I call someone, the screen turns off without approaching the phone to my ear. The screen is not turning off by pressing the power button or the volume buttons (I enabled using GravityBox to turn on the screen using the volume keys).

After I end up the call, after a couple of seconds, the phone comes back to normal.

Once again, this behavior appears just SOMETIMES! Usually I don't have this problem!

Any ideas to how so solve this problem?
[Moto G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] tampitzel:
I wouldn't worry too much about it, its just a glitch, it happens to me sometimes too , when i put it on speaker and i get close to the phone , the screen turns off and it comes back after a while. it doesn't bother me too much. It might be that the sensor is too sensitive. Have you tried a custom rom ? :)
[Moto G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] elba:
This issue happens to my son's phone too.

Anyway, it shouldn't be random, please double check if it happens ALWAYS after a phone reboot, this is the behaviour of mine