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[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 4 General] Whizzpopper:
But if you want to delete them - and I do - then you need root.

I've not really spent time with Tasker. It's not really something I felt necessary since I can already do what I need with root. Risk isn't that great. There's always Odin. Anyway, if you want to do things like block ads, control how youtube behaves etc, - basically, use the Xposed framework - you need root.

On this phone, Wanam needs root. Xposed again - launchers are great, I'm a huge fan of action launcher, but to do anything worthwhile, you need root. And I don't mind paying...!

That is true for you, but certainly not for me and probably not for quite a few others here. The only custom roms I'm interested in are AOSP-based roms - even those I tend to remove a bunch of stuff from GAPPs before I flash :D -- but since those are out of reach, I'd much rather do what I want to my phone without faffing about with safestrap etc.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 4 General] Matias1982:
Now the question is how to put a ROM recovery after this Towelroot, which by the way worked flawlessly with Root Checker, superSU, and System app remover (ROOT).(the one with the red can) I was able to take all that bloated AT&T and Samsung apps. And wit a couple people more tweaking I was able to overclock. So the phone works good, but want to see Cyanomodgen or Paranoid ROMs install.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 4 General] DeadlySin9:
You can only use Safestrap due to our locked bootloader. That means no CM or Paranoid or any AOSP.

Sent from my SGH-I337 running GPE
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 4 General] shamelin73:
Now that I have root I like the stock rom but would like to free up some space by deleting some bloat.

I have seen some bloat root combos but would like to just remove the bloat.

Is there a list of what is safe to remove or a file that I can run?
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 4 General] SCWells72:
I've used Safestrap to install rooted 4.4.2 on my AT&T S4. Is there any reason to revert back to stock 4.4.2 and root using Towelroot? Any advantages?
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 4 General] kpirnie:
from what i read once you are towelrooted u r always towelrooted...

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[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 4 General] SCWells72:
Thanks. Does anyone happen to know the process for going from a SafeStrap install to towelrooted stock? Just uninstall SafeStrap and factory reset, then use towelroot?
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 4 General] loganfarrell:
Can you elaborate? I can't say I've looked into it too much (I ran towelroot over the stock rooted ROM when it was released just for fun). Are you saying it survives updates?

Why would you remove Safestrap? Just reflash the NB1 odin tar and then OTA to NC1 and then towelroot. If anything, reinstall Safestrap if the Odin removes it because it's valuable for FULL backups.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 4 General] kpirnie:
i could have read it wrong but i believeieve towelroot is a hardware root.

i do know one thing... ive had to odin back to stock nb1 a couple times and was still rooted
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 4 General] loganfarrell:
It's a linux exploit of the kernel. If it's patched past the current version (likely so) then it will no longer be rooted. The exploit used is a linux vulnerability but a fix will likely be one of the commits for the next version. All previous versions that we can downgrade to should be golden though.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 4 General] kpirnie:
interesting...

yeah Im sure a patch is probably already in the works...

i thought us legislation passed the law to force carriers to unlock the devices already...

if not... they really need to get on the ball... i mean really... whats to stop me from putting a lift kit on my truck? ;)

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[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 4 General] loganfarrell:
I don't think locked devices are a big political concern, but if that were the case, all of us would be a lot happier.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 4 General] kpirnie:
Oh I'm sure it's not :D tools! :laugh:
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 4 General] kevinco1:
I think that was for phones to be carrier unlocked only, not the bootloader. With AT&T you still have submit a request form to have it carrier unlocked and theres no guarantee they'll grant that request.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 4 General] kpirnie:
grrrr gotta love loopholes. guess thats why my cj7 kit wont fit my liberty ;)

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[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 4 General] waterbottle:
Could someone kindly give me some guidance. I have an AT&T Galaxy S4 running Build JSS15J.1337UCUEMK2 Kernel 3.4.0-1921628. I rooted it late last year using SafeRoot. I froze the auto updater based on advice on these forums that an AT&T update would remove my root.

I have been following this thread waiting for a root solution. If I read and understand things correctly TowelRoot can root the latest version. I believe there are several versions that have come out since MK2 - I see reference to NB1 & NC1, but I’m not sure which is the latest and which can be rooted.

So my question is, what steps do I need to take to get to a rooted latest version? Do I need to completely unroot, allow AT&T to update to the latest version, and then use TowelRoot to root again? Do I leave it rooted and unfreeze the updater, then use TowelRoot to bring back root? Or do I have to do some complex steps that I saw someone post for MK2 users which was to use some special tool Odin to manually load NB1, then manually NC1, then run TowelRoot? Why do that instead of letting AT&T update?

Thanks for the help, I don’t want to screw this up.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 4 General] SCFirefighter:
Take all the OTA updates you can, and fix any issues that keep you from applying them.

Depending on what you did you may end up restoring the stock ROM.

However you end up getting 'current', you can use towelroot to get root back.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 4 General] rayven0001:
Phone specs are in the picture. I have a couple of questions. I've rooted my phone with towelroot. I've uninstalled a few system apps. That's all I've done. I've just recently been notified of an OTA update and I've tried to download and install the update. However, when my phone restarts and installs the update, it fails at 26%. Does anyone know why this may be happening? I've tried reinstalling some of the system apps and I've also unrooted the device, to no avail. I can't seem to update. Also, my phone reads custom status, even though I've remained on the stock rom. Could this be from removing system apps? Could this also be why my phone won't complete the update?

Thank you for your time. I appreciate any help you could offer.

- Ray
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 4 General] jd1639:
It's because you've deleted system apps. It's an update, not a complete rom so if any system apps are deleted or modified the ota will fail.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 4 General] rayven0001:
Is there a way I can get a list of the original system apk's to download and reinstall to fix the problem?
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 4 General] rayven0001:
I lost some of the backups of I'd made. Would I have to download a stock room and extract the apk's, or is there a list of downloads available somewhere? I'm sorry, it's just that I've done a bit of searching and can't find anything too specific. I had a link to some at one point. Unfortunately, I've lost it, and can't seem to find it back. :-/
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 4 General] DeadlySin9:
The easiest way is to flash stock. If you want to keep data, check the All Things index thread and find the NC1 stock ROM. That's the easiest way to restore any and all modified files.

Sent from my SGH-I337
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 4 General] rayven0001:
How do I flash stock nc1 without installing safestrap? Can I just replace the apps I've uninstalled with apps from the stock rom I'd download? I was really trying to avoid using safestrap. I never really planned on much more than rooting and getting rid of bloatware.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 4 General] jd1639:
You can flash the nb1 tar file in Odin. Then take the ota to nc1. Then use towelroot to root. You don't need safestrap of you don't want it
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 4 General] rayven0001:
This will work on my ATT SGH I337UCUFNC1? Sorry for all of the trouble. I just want to be sure I won't mess this up.If that happens, I won't really be able to replace this phone. Also, to be clear. I'm trying to take an OTA update to go from NC1. So, if I do all of this, can I take the update I've been trying for? If that would be the case, could you maybe provide me with some links, if it isn't too much to ask?
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 4 General] rayven0001:
Flashing nb1 with odin will work for my phone? If so, and I can then take the ota back to nc1,I assume that I can also take the next ota from nc1 & then root? Maybe? Would that work?
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 4 General] rayven0001:
Did I say something wrong? No soup for me?
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 4 General] jd1639:
Take the ota from nc1 to nl1 then use towelroot to root
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 4 General] rayven0001:
& flashing nb1 using odin will work?
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 4 General] jd1639:
Yes it'll work too
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 4 General] rayven0001:
Thank you. I'm sorry for all of the questions. I'm just trying to get all of the info. that I can.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 4 General] edu00721:
towelroot is totally functional
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 4 General] StoneyJSG:
It also works on the MDL firmware!
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 4 General] DeadlySin9:
Yes. We've already found the hacky downgrade and the same people are working on using safestrap to get a rooted 4.4 ROM through that. Not to mention there are many developers in our and the Verizon forum who will seek out root.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 4 General] Maribou:
We probably wont hear much about it until it is released.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 4 General] muniz_ri:
I just got the full NB1 odin tar and was able to flash onto my M919(except BL) and root. Will pull an NB1 system dump and share. This should move things along in terms of root and NB1 based development.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 4 General] Maribou:
You ROCK muniz! Thanks bro.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 4 General] John The Rhino:
Great job!
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 4 General] muniz_ri:
No problem except for my crappy broadband upload speed. Will post links no later than tomorrow morning.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 4 General] John The Rhino:
If ever I have a son his name will be Muniz_ri!
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 4 General] muniz_ri:
lol, poor kid!
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 4 General] :
lol! We are almost on our way

Question, if I stay on 4.3 with SS, with I ever be able to flash a 4.4 rom, like say goldeneye?
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 4 General] Maribou:
Ha!
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 4 General] muniz_ri:
Not sure, maybe a developer can chime in on that.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 4 General] bennyboy78:
As of now, no :(

I think hashcode is working on getting custom kernel modules working for 4.3 SS. Don't hold your breath though, this stuff takes time
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 4 General] Dhs92:
Did I hear you correctly? We'll have root soon? Thank you muiz! (Didn't see how to spell it, sorry)
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 4 General] DeadlySin9:
The system dump will definitely help development and bring us closer to root since MDL people will be able to run it and try to exploit it.

Hashcode is and has been working on 4.3 custom kernel through kexec, and yes, it does take time. Though as far as running a 4.4 ROM, some people are seeing if they can get SS to work by doing the downgrade from 4.4 to 4.3, flashing a ROM, and then using ODIN to flash the kernel. So it may come before root (with the system dump we can flash a prerooted NB1 through that method and try it also) or it may not work due to the way Safestrap is intergrated (4.4 may patch whatever SS uses to boot or something).
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 4 General] jeboo:
One option Hash may be exploring is an MK2 downgrade->root keeper->NB1 upgrade.

A pre-rooted NB1 may not be possible due to our BLs checking the system.img signature.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 4 General] Maribou:
I was wondering about the BL checking our system.img signature as well.

This new BL is BS! :laugh:
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 4 General] DeadlySin9:
Yes, but the dump can be put in to a custom recovery zip if the hacky MK2 downgrade then safestrap method works.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 4 General] muniz_ri:
Funny, I've been trying that approach, i.e. downgraded, rooted, re-named install-recovery.sh to install-recovery-2.sh but the su binaries won't stay after upgrade to NB1 using OTA zip.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 4 General] nickscap:
Looks like chain fire has found a way to root the GT -I9505 http://www.androidorigin.com/samsung-galaxy-s4-android-4-4-2-update-gets-root-method-gt-i9505/
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 4 General] muniz_ri:
Thanks for sharing but the unlocked BL in the I9505 makes it much easier to root. The root function in TWRP will actually also root the I9505 4.4 OS. Our BL makes it quite a challenge.

But we have the ability to downgrade going for us. The root files (daemonsu, su,.su) stay in place after sideloading MK2toNB1 OTA zip except for the modified install-recovery.sh which gets overriden by the OTA's updater script. We should be able to obtain root if someone can find a way to push the modified install-recovery.sh(attached) script into NB1's system/etc with the correct permissions.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 4 General] jeboo:
Just take the stock update.zip and remove the following lines from updater-script (and flash from SS TWRP):

delete("/system/recovery-from-boot.p",
"/system/etc/install-recovery.sh");

package_extract_dir("recovery", "/system");
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 4 General] Maribou:
But even if the files are present we still wont be able to push the install-recovery.sh file, or get it to work without an actual exploit correct?
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 4 General] muniz_ri:
The OTA zip is also signed and will fail if modified.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 4 General] jeboo:
This is assuming you're on an MK2 rooted base with SS installed. TWRP under SS won't care about signatures.

(I'm just throwing out ideas for keeping root, I haven't tried any of this.)
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 4 General] muniz_ri:
Got it, I understand now. Maybe one of the SS users can try it. I would be interested in the results.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 4 General] MoodSwinger:
I don't know....

But maybe, couldn't the Loki tool be a possibility here since (from my understanding) it sidesteps the bootloader.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 4 General] Maribou:
It's impossible to use the Loki exploit since our current bootloader patches it.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 4 General] bennyboy78:
Not sure this would work... I thought that SS wouldn't flash kernels? I'm assuming the new kernel is within the ota update zip. Although I wonder if we upgrade, then downgrade and install SS, then flash a 4.4 rom?
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 4 General] DeadlySin9:
It doesn't, but we do have the boot.img to flash manually afterwards. If SS can handle OTA zips then this might work. Though I know not all custom recoveries like to work with them.

EDIT: Another issue is the checks done by the OTA installer script. Gotta make sure it doesn't check anything Safestrap modifies.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 4 General] kpirnie:
I am attempting with Kingo Root... and wondering what the consensus is here.

It states it cant do it normally but has to through Odin mode.

Has anyone tried this? If so... did it brick?

I have all apps and data backed up...but i want to know if its worth the shot before i try
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 4 General] Dhs92:
Kingo root fails
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 4 General] kpirnie:
it does fail... does not beick either tho...
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 4 General] muniz_ri:
Anyone know if it's possible to get daemonsu running other than the install-recovery.sh script or a custom kernel? If it's possible we can likely keep root when sideloading the NB1 OTA zip.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 4 General] hovax615@hotmail.com:
I wonder if someone could make a file like a su from file and maybe a jar file? and push it to the gs4 via adb fastboot along with cydiaimpactor and telnet?
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 4 General] Maribou:
IMO the problem is the fact that old exploit methods will not work with the new security implemented in the 4.4 update.

Buffer overflows, fork bombs, and other privilege escalation attacks that worked in MK2 and previous versions to gain root access will not work with NB1. If we are really serious about gaining root access, we all need to work together and do some research on SE Linux, and try to find some way to bypass it. Since SE Linux is running in " Enforced mode" and not "permissive" any of the above mentioned attacks will not work anymore.

I am no Dev/Hacker, but I am willing to help as much as I possibly can.

Just a thought...
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 4 General] bnolsen:
Try to use this discovered exploit to force these locking idiots to open up their phones?

The only useful reason I can see to loader lock your phone is to ensure information stealing and snooping backdoor can run on your phone.

You know, illegal activity stuff that samsung happens to drop on your phone:

http://redmine.replicant.us/projects/replicant/wiki/SamsungGalaxyBackdoor
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 4 General] Surge1223:
Idk if this has been mentioned before or not and maybe [MENTION=2471504]jeboo[/MENTION] can comment on this idea but I know with the Verizon S4 when we were unsure if MK2 was vulnerable to the get/put_user exploit I manually downgraded my kernel to MJ7 and used saferoot since the MJ7 kernel was known to be vulnerable. So if you guys can downgrade to the MK2 kernel (by just flashing the MK2 boot.img through Odin) then use saferoot to gain root on the vulnerable MK2 kernel and after root is attained you can flash the NB1 boot.img back to the device. This depends on if your able to downgrade the kernel or not though you'd have to check the counter in the boot.img.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 4 General] deAtog:
I saw this yesterday: http://redmine.replicant.us/projects/replicant/wiki/SamsungGalaxyBackdoor and immediately wondered if it applied to the Galaxy S4. The wiki doesn't specify, but given that this is a Samsung Galaxy device, anything is possible. Someone with a Galaxy S4 running Cyangenmod may be able to make that determination, I cannot, as I'm currently stuck on MK2 at the moment. If this hole exists and we can exploit it to our benefit, then we may be able to use it to gain root on NB1 and newer releases.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 4 General] ted77usa:
If u guys on NB1 and would like to get root and install custom 4.4 kitkat using Safestrap v3.71. Follow my thread http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?p=51044473.... u need to downgrade to MK2 first .....Goodluck. [emoji106]

Swyped From MK2 Dark Venom SS Edition
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 4 General] kpirnie:
seconded and works a champ!
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 4 General] muniz_ri:
Thanks for the suggestion but just tried it and phone will not reboot after downgrading to mk2 boot.img.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 4 General] marqobazua:
I installed the official 4.4.2 from canada in about 30 minutes ago and i used the cf auto root from the official website on my i337M and works perfectly i got root and use apps like greenify, call timer, and other without a problem :D
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 4 General] DeadlySin9:
That's because you have an unlocked bootloader. NB1 is the 4.4.2 update for the AT&T S4 (I337) and we have a locked bootloader, so we can't use CF-Auto Root. Installing MK2 kernel doesn't work to root because 4.3 and 4.4 kernel isn't compatible. If you want root, check [MENTION=2284570]ted77usa[/MENTION] 's thread he mentioned a few posts up. You have to have a custom 4.4.2, but I don't see that as such a big deal. If someone makes a stock NB1 flashable zip then that could be used but otherwise try out your 4.4.2 freedom.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 4 General] kpirnie:
[MENTION=4631220]Venom0642[/MENTION] has a great nb1 rom too called Dark Venom

Posted from my I337 NB1 Dark Venom 3 SS version --- 20G Free Cloud --- https://copy.com?r=vtiraF
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 4 General] Jose0726:
I rooted with cf auto root
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 4 General] Dhs92:
You have the Canadian version, which is unlocked
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 4 General] CAG-man:
Anyone working on an actual root method for AT&T i337 NB1?
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 4 General] kpirnie:
im sure devs are [MENTION=5227565]CAG-man[/MENTION] but for now i suggest checking into these 2 links:

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=2663545

and

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=2447482

Posted from my I337 NB1 Dark Venom 3 SS version --- 20G Free Cloud --- https://copy.com?r=vtiraF
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 4 General] jeboo:
Keep an eye on the latest kernel exploits, hopefully something useful pops up:

http://www.cvedetails.com/vulnerability-list/vendor_id-33/product_id-47/Linux-Linux-Kernel.html
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 4 General] CAG-man:
I'm just looking. I manage several S4's. I would like to deploy KitKat but need root to modify. I'll admit I usually am a little lazy and wait for a root method, but I might kick around a few thoughts and tests.

I've looked at the side step method talked about here downgrading first, but that won't work for me.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 4 General] John The Rhino:
Xda did it. Kit Kat 4.4.2 with Root. See the All things MK2/NB1 guide.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 4 General] Ramsey:
I need a root method for 4.4.2 Kitkat that does not trip Knox. I need the warranty.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 4 General] rebel1699:
Using my method here will not trip knox.

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?p=51067706
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 4 General] John The Rhino:
My Knox is Not tripped. The method is proven to work just follow instructions.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 4 General] Ramsey:
I forgot to mention that I am using a I337M Canadian S4 version. I am on stock 4.3 and waiting for stock 4.4.2 from Fido. I don't have a custom recovery since it will trip Knox and I don't want to install another modem or something else that could ruin it since I may sell this phone in a few weeks. Will your tool work with my phone?

I am used to using Kingo and it works fine to root and unroot but only with 4.3 :(.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 4 General] rebel1699:
Ahhh. Sorry, no. To my knowledge, it wont work on i337m.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 4 General] DeadlySin9:
I thought root doesn't trip it and only installing a recovery does.

Sent from Black<3's I337 running BlackBox
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 4 General] CAG-man:
I check that often as well. As well as all that is written in this thread. I see a work around to get a rooted 4.4.2 but no root for NB1 ATT rom. That is what I need. I'm working on experiments myself.

As I believe too. The OP of the referenced thread still states no root method yet.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 4 General] rebel1699:
Correct, there is no root method for stock at&t nb1. DVKKMT is the only current workaround.