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[Xperia Z1 General] Kanes_Inferno:
Where did you see that T-Mobile certified a build? I've been looking but must have missed that.

Again, I want it but am in no rush. I want it as bug free as possible, since I currently have no issues whatsoever on 4.3. I mostly just want 4.4 for the fixes in the camera, the better image quality would be nice. I already love this camera, it getting better can only be a good thing.

I just hope we don't run into a lot of the SD card issues people have, I save all my.pictures to my SD card..
[Xperia Z1 General] LaosPerson:
I think they are working on that which is why the update is taking forever for us, and t-mobile probably also wants to make sure there are no bugs in the update since kitkat is really different from jellybean in terms of how ram managment and stuff like this is used
[Xperia Z1 General] Walchaar6:
I hope this phone is great I just ordered it, it comes in next Tuesday
[Xperia Z1 General] Elysian893:
It's good, but I wouldn't order one because of the locked bootloader. I didn't know when I bought it, didn't even realize it was different from the Z1.
[Xperia Z1 General] Walchaar6:
I got it directly from tmobile but I don't really root things

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I keep things stock generally lol
[Xperia Z1 General] Kanes_Inferno:
I keep things stock, too. This is the best phone I've ever had. I love it, hopefully you will too.
[Xperia Z1 General] LaosPerson:
It's middle of may and nothing has shown yet, hopefully it will be here by the 31st
[Xperia Z1 General] Walchaar6:
Yah I think I will like it what do you like the best from the Z1s
[Xperia Z1 General] Walchaar6:
Is the camera as good as they say?
[Xperia Z1 General] Lancerz:
The camera is decent.
[Xperia Z1 General] Walchaar6:
Got the phone yesterday and it's pretty awesome it's fast. And the camera is pretty good
[Xperia Z1 General] Walchaar6:
I'm not in a hurry but I do hope they bring out the kitkat update
[Xperia Z1 General] mchlbenner:
Most likely early June but their is a chance they may not update because of lack of sales of z1s.
[Xperia Z1 General] Sovs:
Not a chance. The LG Flex was updated to 4.4 earlier this month and that phone isn't exactly flying off the shelves. Lets be real here. High end devices, volume sellers or not, get the 4.4 update.
[Xperia Z1 General] scoobdude:
Another update out for the Z1 and still nothing for the red headed step child. Can I blame the sprint merger?
[Xperia Z1 General] Kanes_Inferno:
I'm wondering if the Z update T-Mobile did today for 4.3 could mean good news for us Z1s owners.... Update around the corner?
[Xperia Z1 General] Walchaar6:
Any new information about the update?
[Xperia Z1 General] Kanes_Inferno:
I search the net daily, nothing really other than the certified update recently. I'm done caring, honestly. When it happens it happens, would love the update but the phone is perfect for me so far. I have terrible experience with updates in the past from HTC and Samsung, so I'm fine with what we have for now.
[Xperia Z1 General] Walchaar6:
Yah I'm not complaining about the way my phone is now I would just like for it to come out and what do you guys use for group messaging this is really annoying for me I really don't want to us a third party app
[Xperia Z1 General] Kanes_Inferno:
I've been wondering about the group messaging too...
[Xperia Z1 General] LaosPerson:
This is pathetic, KitKat was rolled out for the AT&T Galaxy S3 and that phone came out nearly 2 years ago which is a surprise because knowing AT&T don't like rolling those updates quick. :mad:
[Xperia Z1 General] Lancerz:
Exactly, this is why this is my first and last Sony phone. The Z1s seems like the red headed step child of the group. This phone should have been released with kit kat imo or at least gotten it within a month of release.
[Xperia Z1 General] LaosPerson:
Yeah, only because the poor thing is through tmobile, if it wasn't things would be different
[Xperia Z1 General] Spectre51:
Blame T-Mobile. If you want faster updates then don't get a carrier branded device.
[Xperia Z1 General] mchlbenner:
15th July to 19 of July don't ask either. No trolling update info only.

If you want to be social go on Facebook!
[Xperia Z1 General] Lancerz:
I've had carrier branded devices before that had plenty of development going for them, unlike the Z1s which has none. It's not the updates that make me not want the phone even though it should have been already updated, the lack of development is what sucks especially for a rom flash-a-holic like myself lol.
[Xperia Z1 General] sgyee:
I wonder if this DMCA shutdown of GitHub sections will affect it.
[Xperia Z1 General] cosine83:
The problem with the Z1s isn't carrier branding or lack of development. It's the locked bootloader. It's perfectly rootable but the lack of an unlocked bootloader really keeps everything in check except Xposed modules. Which, honestly, is all most people need. I can't see custom ROMs bringing much benefit to a device that's already pretty trim in its software. Gravity Box is amazing.
[Xperia Z1 General] mchlbenner:
Hi

T mobile has released kk update

My source has starting on the 15th of July.
[Xperia Z1 General] Kanes_Inferno:
I hope you're right.
[Xperia Z1 General] Walchaar6:
Do you mind if I ask if it's a reliable source I have to.talked to people that I know that work at tmobile and they said they have no information and I asked some Sony people too both said the same thing
[Xperia Z1 General] Kanes_Inferno:
Very good question
[Xperia Z1 General] mchlbenner:
It's from Sony found on T mobile forms.

I have another source testers and that is all I'm going to say.

Update should start on 16th of July.

It will be done by imei number depends on your location.

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Thank you for contacting Sony Xperia™ Online Support.

We apologize for the delay in this response. In regard to your inquiry, the Sony Xperia™ Z1S has not been discontinued. We need to inform you the update for your Xperia™ device was release but as to avoid our servers overloading and crashing from millions of people updating at the same time, we have place schedules for the phone to be updated in batches. Please keep in mind that the availability of the update is dependant on IMEI number, region and service provider (if the phone is branded) - you will receive a message on your phone stating that the update is available and that you can update the phone by connecting it to the PC Companion.
[Xperia Z1 General] Kanes_Inferno:
Hmm... Not doubting you but doubting their verbiage and why they wouldn't officially announce it on Twitter. I'll believe it when I see it
[Xperia Z1 General] mchlbenner:
I agree with you but this is true I'm just tried of waiting.
[Xperia Z1 General] epsix:
Is it 4.4.4? or 4.4.2?
[Xperia Z1 General] mchlbenner:
It's 4.4.4 kk
[Xperia Z1 General] Kanes_Inferno:
Oh nice. I was thinking it'd be 4.4.3 at best.
[Xperia Z1 General] Walchaar6:
Ok i will check my phone every once in a while to see when it comes out hopefully it will come out when they told you it will come out thanks

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Also I don't think this update will help but I sure hope they do something about this group messaging it's so annoying iPhones group messaging is awesome.
[Xperia Z1 General] Spectre51:
I'll send a message to my Sony contact to ask about the Z1S for you guys. Those that know me know my info has proven reliable. Should have an answer tomorrow...or should I say later today since its 01:26 here.

Sent from my Sony Xperia™ Z1
[Xperia Z1 General] mchlbenner:
This as I said should start on the 16th so wait until then before start checking.

Usually these updates come later than they say.
[Xperia Z1 General] lsmaverick31:
I sure hope so. This update has been a long time coming, and from what I hear, the new z1 update fixed a lot of the previous update's problems. Maybe that's what T-Mobile was waiting for?
[Xperia Z1 General] mchlbenner:
What I understand is that 4.4.2 was a disaster so they skipped the update.
[Xperia Z1 General] lsmaverick31:
Makes sense, better to wait a few months and get it done right. I heard of crashes, audio bugs, lag, bad battery life, etc.
[Xperia Z1 General] Spectre51:
Nothing yet. If I don't get anything by Saturday I will ask again.

Sent from my Sony Xperia™ Z1
[Xperia Z1 General] epsix:
Can I OTA update even though I'm rooted with stock recovery?
[Xperia Z1 General] mchlbenner:
I was told that you have to be all stock you can't be even rooted.

You use new root to get unrooted.

I also have ftf file if anyone needs it.
[Xperia Z1 General] epsix:
Nice, what tools do I need to use if I want to unroot? I used jcase method.

Thanks
[Xperia Z1 General] mchlbenner:
You should be able to newroot toolkit to unroot.
[Xperia Z1 General] Lancerz:
Can't you just use the repair phone option on your pc companion app? That will put the phone back to stock.
[Xperia Z1 General] ayuready1989:
you said you have the ftf file, the kitkat ftf file we waiting for?
[Xperia Z1 General] Spectre51:
He will be checking with them soon so should know today or early next week. Will keep you posted.

Sent from my Sony Xperia™ Z1
[Xperia Z1 General] mchlbenner:
No I have the 4.3 stock ftf files I will upload to 4share tomorrow.
[Xperia Z1 General] Kanes_Inferno:
Awesome
[Xperia Z1 General] Chadneu:
Any word on that?

I want to see if porting the camera features will work on this device. I think they should, right?
[Xperia Z1 General] Kanes_Inferno:
Here's hoping you hear something soon...
[Xperia Z1 General] lsmaverick31:
Third Certification

Sigh. Looks like the waiting game continues. A new version was certified yesterday, so I don't think they'll be releasing an update next day after PTCRB Certification, since this is the THIRD certified update from the site since the phone came out. I hope that they're getting close:

http://www.xperiablog.net/2014/07/1...14-4-b-0-37-and-xperia-t2-ultra-19-1-a-0-474/
[Xperia Z1 General] mchlbenner:
Unfortunately I have not been in.contact with my source so I guess something went wrong.

That would push it back two weeks.
[Xperia Z1 General] lsmaverick31:
What's another few weeks after waiting about half a year? They'll get it out sooner or later.
[Xperia Z1 General] Kanes_Inferno:
Ugh.

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So you haven't been in contact with him but you're automatically guessing two weeks? Seems a bit odd to me..
[Xperia Z1 General] mchlbenner:
Generally they will at least test for at least two weeks.
[Xperia Z1 General] LaosPerson:
Lol there goes our root exploit, if it's taking this long I think they're doing a hard core lock down
[Xperia Z1 General] Spectre51:
Just got word back. Said they were retesting the Z1s update, and maybe in the next week. No info on why the retest. It is coming though and they are close to releasing it, it sounds like.

Sent from my Sony Xperia™ Z Ultra
[Xperia Z1 General] LaosPerson:
Cool, but if it is taking this long there better be no bugs at all lol, I demand pure speed and stability
[Xperia Z1 General] mchlbenner:
I wish we had a leak!!!!
[Xperia Z1 General] Kanes_Inferno:
Awesome, please keep us posted when you hear something.
[Xperia Z1 General] LaosPerson:
Man t-mobile is so dumb, they should just release the darn update, then when news and press rages about bugs, just release a bug fix update like apple then the news will be like, BUG FIX UPDATE FOR Z1S lol
[Xperia Z1 General] mchlbenner:
Sorry guys they closed the thread on the

that had a download link.

I will not be uploading it again so you are on your own.
[Xperia Z1 General] gregbradley:
It doesn't matter anyway. You can always force a repair using pccompanion if you are rooted. That will put you on the latest firmware.
[Xperia Z1 General] Walchaar6:
So nothing new?
[Xperia Z1 General] Chadneu:
new certification the 14th so most likely next month sometime it will roll out.
[Xperia Z1 General] Walchaar6:
Lol not trying to sound rude but every month someone says most likely next month
[Xperia Z1 General] mchlbenner:
I still think it will come this month!
[Xperia Z1 General] LaosPerson:
It better be, I'm mad at this phone right now lol, the galaxy s5 with all crapware feels faster than the z1s, and Sony should have less bloat
[Xperia Z1 General] crixley:
An awful lot of people with "inside contacts" too seem to keep giving later and later dates lol

Funny how many people here at xda have insider info that is all wrong.

My guess is they look at the certification date, take their best guess and try to look cool by saying they have inside contacts within Sony
[Xperia Z1 General] se1zure31:
I am glad I got the old jump plan from T-Mobile. I will be replacing this phone even though it will pain me to do so just because of the water resistance. Plan to get a g3 in August. Sorry Sony but u screwed up on the update thing.
[Xperia Z1 General] Chadneu:
Thank you for this crucial update on your life.

Please go get a new phone if you cant stop yourself from complaining because you're impatient.

Personally I think Sony and T-Mobile are handling this update thing perfectly fine. There have been updates to Android that have pushed this back repeatedly. Add on top of that there is more testing to be done vs the non-branded z1. Rather than release 3 or more small updates, which increases the likely hood of bugs and bad user experiences, we'll get one larger update further down the road.

Lets stop with these pointless posts about how people can't wait any longer for a software update. They dont add anything to the conversation.
[Xperia Z1 General] se1zure31:
If you have paid any attention to Sony's updates, you will have seen that they have messed up on most of them. This is what is delaying the update, Sony being bad with software.

Sure, maybe they get it right here in the next month or two, but android L is right around the corner and you can guarantee its not getting that.

Sure my rant doesn't add anything but I am not the only one that feels this way. Forums help people vent their frustrations.

Also sorry for taking the thread off topic.
[Xperia Z1 General] scoobdude:
If T-Mobile would just make their WiFi calling an app in the store I think it would really speed things up
[Xperia Z1 General] mchlbenner:
Dear troll you don't even have this phone so post in your own forms.
[Xperia Z1 General] Chadneu:
I agree. Unfortunately the nature of WiFI calling means it's baked into the OS. That requires a system app and custom libs, at least. This means it wont likely ever be a Play Store app. :(

Bad troll, bad. Your post has no bearing in reality and is based on assumptions which you have no experience to make. If you can't be patient then dont say anything at all.
[Xperia Z1 General] Sovs:
Even that is pure speculation. You're hoping we get a large update. Hell, we just might! Or, we just get 4.4.2 and Sony/T-Mobile calls it a day. Unlikely, but entirely possible. As far as testing goes for branded phones, I have a branded T-Mobile Xperia Z that was rendered practically useless with the recent 4.3 update. Where was all this testing with that? Would have been nice.

So I hope you're right. But either way, my Z1S has been a peach. I have absolutely zero problems waiting for the update unlike a few impatient members here.
[Xperia Z1 General] Chadneu:
The certification file name gives us a hint that its a 4.4 update. Coming from 4.3 that would qualify as a "big update" imo.
[Xperia Z1 General] Sovs:
Yes, a 4.4 update, but not which 4.4 update. Surpassing 4.4.2 and 4.4.3 to 4.4.4 would be what I would consider a large update. But that's probably not going to happen.
[Xperia Z1 General] Chadneu:
I wouldn't be surprised to find those included, which would be why we saw those few certifications show up briefly only to get removed from ptcrb and replaced with this one.

Purely speculation but the timelines make sense.

Also slightly unrelated, but at I/O Google talked about getting builds out to manufacturers earlier so this kind of stuff could be avoided in the future.
[Xperia Z1 General] Sovs:
That might be true for point updates but for incremental updates, it doesn't look that way. At least not right now. My fiancées HTC M8 is getting 4.4.3 but not 4.4.4. But it's "promised" that it will be receiving Android L.

But it would be extremely cool if they got us the latest and greatest.
[Xperia Z1 General] LaosPerson:
Your xperia z rendered useless? llol, don't you know you can install the international firmware? and get 4.4 kitkat
[Xperia Z1 General] Spectre51:
I will check again at the end of this week to see if they have an updated ETA.

Sent from my Sony Xperia™ Z1
[Xperia Z1 General] scoobdude:
Would be even better if you could leak the build. But your effort is appreciated :beer::D
[Xperia Z1 General] Spectre51:
Don't have access to it.

Sent from my Sony Xperia™ Z1
[Xperia Z1 General] scoobdude:
No worries. Getting any updates on the eta is still helpful and appreciated;)
[Xperia Z1 General] Kanes_Inferno:
Awesome, thanks
[Xperia Z1 General] ayuready1989:
this is pathetic, this phone was a real waste of $ , 6+ months and counting and no update... I consider this phone discontinued
[Xperia Z1 General] Chadneu:
No, it isn't discontinued. The only pathetic thing is how you people can't be patient.
[Xperia Z1 General] ayuready1989:
6+ months is beyond patient, it'll be a year, still no update and idiots like this will still say be patient... by the end of this month it makes 7 months still no update lol, I couldn't care less what the official word is, this phone is discontinued.. anyone with sense knows this will most likely be the only update(KK , IF IT RELEASES) unless t-mobile/sony go through this update hell again
[Xperia Z1 General] mchlbenner:
You don't know what your even talking about.

4.4.2 was a disaster that's why it did not get released.

4.4.3 did not work well at all.

They are now testing 4.4.4 which has all fixes in it.

This for update info NOT complaining!
[Xperia Z1 General] lsmaverick31:
Has it stopped working in those six months? If not, then it's not a waste of money. You paid for the phone you got six months ago. Anything else is icing on the cake. I want the update just as much as you, but to call the phone a waste of money? I love mine just as much as the day I bought it.
[Xperia Z1 General] crixley:
Didn't know you worked for Sony!

Which division are you with?

Ftr, you're making vague statements/assumptions and claiming them as fact, then stating someone else doesn't know what they're talking about. Pot, meet kettle...
[Xperia Z1 General] mchlbenner:
I people that testing this know so stop posting your options TROLL.
[Xperia Z1 General] ayuready1989:
if I had "options" I wouldn't be complaining
[Xperia Z1 General] crixley:
Since lies and conjecture seem to get likes/thanks in here I'll follow suit...

My brothers father's sisters friends cousin who works for Sony and T-Mobile said the reason you guys didn't get the update yet is because you're getting android l before it is even publicly released!

Congratulations!!
[Xperia Z1 General] ayuready1989:
definitely sounds like an mchlbenner quote xD, and all these people with sources but still no leak.. smh , definitely people lying on the ETA of this for thanks
[Xperia Z1 General] mchlbenner:
And the trolling continues z1 user.

If you have jump jump then if you want to complain go to t-mobile forms if you don't have z1s don't post then.
[Xperia Z1 General] Chadneu:
You guys need to be mature and quit being childish about this.

I understand frustration but acting like children not getting a toy over a software update is just sad.

threatening to get rid of a device over a software update falls on no ears on here.

Nobody here has any control. They're just relaying any information they may have. Then you come in here and complain about it.

Grow up, cmon.

Keep these posts up and a mod will just come clean them up. They contribute absolutely nothing and **** up the thread with childish remarks.
[Xperia Z1 General] LaosPerson:
Haha got to agree with the people that said be patient but we already waited 6+ months, this is pathetic because even my Acer tablet, a brand that is like 3rd party is about to get a KitKat update, I just received the preupdate for it because the update said it was for preparations for KitKat in the future
[Xperia Z1 General] Spectre51:
Nothing new :( sorry guys. I'll let you know if I get any new info.

Sent from my Sony Xperia™ Z1
[Xperia Z1 General] Kanes_Inferno:
Ugh...
[Xperia Z1 General] Walchaar6:
Anyone else having a sim card problem it happens to me like 3 or 4 times a day on a good day my phone just won't read the sim card and I have no signal this is probably not the best place to post this but I don't know what to do its annoying I changed my sim already too
[Xperia Z1 General] howie040:
4.4.4 is out there on the forums right? Got mine flashed yesterday, testing out original and sony roms. Stock rom is also available.

In regard to the simcard, I remember I had the same issue (i cut the microsim myself). Turned out the I cut it a little bit too small so sometimes it would move a little bit in the slot. Also, maybe you could try a friends phone?

[edit]could also be operator related
[Xperia Z1 General] LaosPerson:
Z1S, not the Z1, we have special bull**** on our phone
[Xperia Z1 General] funky0308:
It's quite hard to understand Sony update policy.

I mean Z1 got 4.4.4 before Z2, crazy world but who cares...

I really think 4.3 is better than unfinished 4.4...

It'll be out guys,...
[Xperia Z1 General] Kanes_Inferno:
I hear ya. I said it a while back and will again, I have zero bugs on my Z1s with 4.3. Do I want the update? Yes. Will I keep checking for news and being hopeful? Absolutely. I may get disappointed when it gets delayed but I fully understand and want it to be smooth and not riddledbwith bugs. Since US carriers take so long to update, I'd rather it be a great update than suck and us have to wait months for a bug fix update that may or may not come.
[Xperia Z1 General] RickWestthe1:
It will suck more when we do get the update and it still has bugs.
[Xperia Z1 General] ayuready1989:
the 28th makes 2 weeks after the new certification, hopefully they start roll out then, if another recertification takes place *facepalm*
[Xperia Z1 General] Kanes_Inferno:
Lol true
[Xperia Z1 General] LaosPerson:
On KitKat I'm looking forward to the smoother experience and color emoji support lol
[Xperia Z1 General] RickWestthe1:
The last certification came 3 weeks after the prior certification. If that holds true, then we could possibly wait until around the 4th of August and it would still be another certification instead of a roll-out. At this point, If it happens it happens, if not, I'm on jump and only have this phone for a few more months anyway.
[Xperia Z1 General] mchlbenner:
The last certified build was on July 14th.
[Xperia Z1 General] crixley:
2 weeks is 14 days?

Who knew!
[Xperia Z1 General] ayuready1989:
true, but hell if I'm going to give t-mobile more of my $ for hardware after this lol..
[Xperia Z1 General] mchlbenner:
It's been 11 days since it got certified.
[Xperia Z1 General] KoscheiTheDeathless:
You mad bro
[Xperia Z1 General] Chadneu:
some people feel entitled to things and get impatient.

i'd say he's mad.

With root and xposed not having 4.4 isnt a big deal on this phone.

The only thing I wish I had are the camera improvements but I have no qualms waiting.