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[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 4 General] silrosriv:
I agree, and am one of the people holding out for traditional root. I don't mind flashing other roms and have done so many times on my s2 and note2. But I always had an odin tw stock saved in case I ever f'ed up. I'm not looking to root for other roms (right now). Right now I'm happy just playing around modding with lighting launcher and ss launcher. I know eventually I'll want to start modding my s4 with other roms (as I do love flashing) but I want a flashable tw stock to come back to cuz I've already f'ed up my s4 in the past and got lucky enough that the Samsung experience guys doesn't know what I had done.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 4 General] Maribou:
Full Odin Tar of NB1 for our s4 can be found here. Been out for a while now thanks to [MENTION=4708661]muniz_ri[/MENTION] . http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=2674223

Sent from my warranty voided device...
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 4 General] rebel1699:
In addition to the post by [MENTION=4980764]Maribou[/MENTION] right above me, we also have full odin files for MK2 as well. Have had both for ages. Just grab them out of the general section.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 4 General] andrewdroid:
I've already used Muniz's method and I'm fine with that. Remember guys, things are a bit simplified now since Safestrap can mount /system with nb1.

Don't sneer at the non-traditional root, it's pretty good at the moment and it's been around for enough time where the instructions have been sorted and are pretty clear. I actually was impatient and bit the bullet on it when it was merely a comment within a thread rather than its own one.

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And one more note! Be thankful for what we've got here at XDA, the great developers etc. No more thread drama! It's getting like MySpace up in here!
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 4 General] silrosriv:
Yes, but I'm on NB1. I don't want to down grade just to root.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 4 General] Maribou:
You don't have to stay on mk2. You can downgrade, root, and upgrade back to rooted NB1 using [MENTION=833788]rebel1699[/MENTION] 's Kitkat magic tool.

Then you have a choice of either using [MENTION=4708661]muniz_ri[/MENTION] 's stock rooted NB1 ( http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?p=51331630), or any of the custom NB1 Rom's listed in [MENTION=2982241]guut13[/MENTION] 's thread. ( http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=2616221)
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 4 General] silrosriv:
Lol, yea, but that's too much trouble for a lazy ass me. :) Although, I am very grateful that these devs have even found a way to do that! I commend any of you who can sit there and learn any of this stuff! Some of us either don't get it at all, or are just too damn lazy to learn how (me). I could. I just HATE reading for long periods of time. Lol!

Thank you all from us lazy noobs. ;)
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 4 General] Xanthos58:
Does this root method wipe the entire device?
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 4 General] hankbizzo5:
would have to assume yes..
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 4 General] kpirnie:
yes

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[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 4 General] andrewdroid:
The alternative root method eventually wipes the device *but* at the very beginning stage of the process, after doing the faux-downgrade to mk2 and safe-rooting, it's possible to do a titanium backup and then proceed from there. So it's not as bad as you think.

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(Anyway, I'm pretty sure that's possible).
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 4 General] loganfarrell:
I believe there is a method that [MENTION=4708661]muniz_ri[/MENTION] came up with that's a modified version of the OTA from MK2 to NB1 that keeps root. I haven't tested it yet personally because I am not on fully stock MK2. I have XPosed and a couple other system mods installed, so I will have to go back to stock MK2 first. However, after a quick backup of my data partition and a reflash of stock MK2, then restoring data, I will be testing it. Once I am done, I will post back with my findings.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 4 General] cutty1998:
Hi, I currently own a I337 Galaxy S4(AT&T) that was just repaired for a broken screen & charger port & it was updated to 4.4.2 while in repair .I would like to root the phone,but haven't done any rooting since I had my S2 ,and I am a little rusty (ok,really rusty!) .I no longer have Keis on my PC, and it seems Samsung no longer supports it.I remember it being horrible.I am thinking it must be obsolete by now. Just wondering if someone could possibly steer me to the correct thread to get back on track ,so I can personalize this beautiful device. Any help greatly appreciated!
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 4 General] silrosriv:
I would be pissed that they updated me without my permission and would demand they flash me back!
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 4 General] techi23:
Actually, if you send in your phone to Sammy for repairs, you're gonna have a bad time.

It clearly states that if you send in your phone, they will wipe your phone clean and update it if necessary to ensure that it works fine. They did this to my brother's phone when we sent it in, and when it came back it had MK2 already installed... :/

We argued about it but they said they had that noticed posted and that I signed for the agreement that they would do that.

tl;dr version: don't send to Sammy if you wanna keep MDL.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 4 General] bigcid10:
the only problem that I have found is,even though we can downgrade to mk2 and safestrap

and then load a custom firmware or stay on mk2 and fix the wifi,we still hace the nb1 bootloader

and that alone screws up using some apps ,i.e. ARunchained

there is a selinux workaround ,but that doesn't completely solve the problem
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 4 General] Maribou:
Yeah, that's something we can't change at the point in time. Until we can fully downgrade to MK2, we will always be on the NB1 BL.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 4 General] loganfarrell:
For those that haven't taken the official OTA, the KeepRoot OTA.zip that [MENTION=4708661]muniz_ri[/MENTION] made works flawlessly and also allows you to restore your data partition in SS after you upgrade (assuming you backed up your data first). It also allows you to fully downgrade back to MK2 as it doesn't include the NB1 bootloader. Those that did take the OTA can still downgrade and use the stock ROM, but are still stuck with the NB1 BL. The zip uses the MLD bootloader from what I understand, and for those that were on MLD, you remember that it doesn't prohibit downgrading to MK2. I said I would get back with all the specifics of the ROM, and I think it speaks for itself. It is perfectly stock TW and unmodified other than root and SS. I love stock roms the most personally, but it is really smooth and fully functioning. I am experiencing 0 bugs with WiFi, lock screen, tethering, or anything else. I seriously doubt a traditional root will come, but with the OTA file, the process is drastically simplified. Check it out at http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?p=51331630

I337NB1 4.4 Root-Workarounds(SS_100%_Stock_ROM & MK2toNB1"KeepRoot"OTA.zip)
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 4 General] DanRyan85:
Good morning xda memebers. I am new to my Galaxy S4 coming to this phone from a 3-4 year old device, so bear with me please. What I wanted originally was to root on 4.2.2 but I failed to discover I had to stop an auto update to kit kat before that happened. So now I am on 4.4. And I am a little confused (after reading) about downgrading my bootloader and rooting so I can flash ROMS. Do the ROMS that are available have full functionality? I read a few places some were missing audio, phone and wifi after this was first done. Basically I am used to a more straightforward root approach and am not sure currently if I can pull it off. (I know bricking is always a risk) Maybe if some one dumbs this way down for me I will understand.

Know for why I posted this here...I saw this a few days ago http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/how-root-galaxy-s5-all-models-android-4-4-2-kitkat-stock-firmware-1444505 and got excited for one second because I thought it might help people stuck with kit kat on the S4.

Then I noticed that at&t and Verizon were not listed as models having achieved root....so know the question I want to pose is how likely is it that s4 kit kat will receive root as a indirect result of someone wanting to root the S5 or has the situation not likely to change?

Also, am I over complicating the difference in downgrading partially and rooting vs what I used to do and is it just as easy once you get down the steps?
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 4 General] kpirnie:
the best we can do is point you in the right direction and state... follow directions to a T...

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=2692825

Sent from my Deadly Venom SS 3.0.1 S4 (team: [MENTION=4631220]Venom0642[/MENTION] [MENTION=2284570]ted77usa[/MENTION] [MENTION=833788]rebel1699[/MENTION]) ~ 20GB free cloud https://copy.com?r=vtiraF
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 4 General] gobig89:
I miss the days of the Samsung Captivate....that thing was beastmode. You couldnt hard brick that thing if you tried....almost.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 4 General] slim26:
Okay -- so I probably gonna get killed here ... but here goes ..

just got a shiny new refurb S4 NB1 the phone I gave back to them was MK2 rooted (no recovery or anything on it - just straight up root). The only real things I use root for is volume and lockscreen stuff - a few minor tweaks here and there.

What is the community's overall confidence in that some of our geniuses can really root NB1 at some point in the foreseeable future? I'm leaning towards waiting another week or so to see if a root comes out instead of having to back it down to MK2 and flash rom's. .etc.. but if we think something maybe right around the corner I'm willing to set it up on NB1 without root goodies and wait for a week or two. Anyone care to venture if they are close or not? Or is there a link I can read the progress of this? I'm willing to readup, just not sure where to go as I'm not as technical as most here are.

Thanks!
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 4 General] kpirnie:
gotta do some readin and searchin there slim...

no root for NB1 not sure about the forezeeable future either due to this post:

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=2692825

Sent from my Venomous Droid Blue Chrome Edition S4 (team: [MENTION=4631220]Venom0642[/MENTION] [MENTION=2284570]ted77usa[/MENTION] [MENTION=833788]rebel1699[/MENTION]) ~ 20GB free cloud https://copy.com?r=vtiraF
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 4 General] slim26:
Thanks.. I am totally aware of the workarounds... I'm just failing to find the confidence level as to if they are close to a traditional root.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 4 General] loganfarrell:
Most people will probably have to make a choice to use NB1 unrooted or to use a ROM (Since you say you hadn't done anything but root on MK2, the stock ROM is probably your best bet) I predict that with more pressing issues at hand like updating SS and Google's promise/threat/announcement that rooting will be made more difficult in the future, we will have to take what we can get. And I can assure you if something is going to happen ever in the direction of a traditional root, it won't be in a week's time.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 4 General] DrSeussFreak:
still no root, disappointing...
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 4 General] rbedell:
I have root thanks to the awesome ppl of xda. It is not hard at all.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 4 General] DrSeussFreak:
Root with stock rom? If so please share the instructions
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 4 General] rbedell:
Yep, not currently but it is achievable, but use the root upgrade thread the same way you flash custom with the Odin files that venom came up with. It's a light read. It's better to have custom anyway. Didn't trip Knox here.

P'S the flashing takes longer than the read.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 4 General] DrSeussFreak:
Ah, I am a stock ROM person, I will continue to wait.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 4 General] rbedell:
Why when they have already achieved rooted stock 4.4. You are just wanting the easy way out. Go somewhere else if you aren't willing to step out on the ledge and do something besides a one click. You should be grateful of what we have here. Read a little bit more before saying is not rooted stock.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 4 General] jcase:
Watch your language and respect everyone or I will shut the thread down.

Thread cleaned
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 4 General] andrewdroid:
If you're getting impatient, I would suggest just doing the work around. The "downgrade" sounds like a big deal, it isn't. What it does is just flash the mk2 old kernel that we can root and then install safestrap. Then it's just flash the rooted nb1, and reupgrade the kernel via odin. It's really really not that bad! The odin stuff seriously flashes in like 2 seconds.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 4 General] steelew:
AT&T S4 active just got 4.4

Hopefully this will speed up the stock rooted effort. I'm not sure why everyone feels the need to push people into the workaround way of obtaining root. The reason I don't do it, is it looks like with safe strap you only have a 3GB partition to install apps on. I had an i717 (original galaxy note) and it had a limited 2GB partition to install apps on to and it sucked. Its bad enough that we only have 8-ish GB on the S4. I regularly have over 250 apps installed including games and I bump up against the size limits of my phone as it is. At this point i really wish I had purchased a 32GB onboard storage device and one that was international or GPE. I will never buy the carrier branded version again. I appreciate all the work that goes into achieving root any way you can get it but I need stock with root unless our bootloader gets unlocked too. I ran ROMs on my i717 all the time and now my wife has it and loves it (ROM and all).
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 4 General] loganfarrell:
The SS workaround uses the stock partition. Meaning everything.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 4 General] kpirnie:
correct. 6+G for system... i have another 6g of apps installed and just over 3 free on my 16g s4

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[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 4 General] silrosriv:
So I finally gave in and used the workaround. Had I known it was going to do a full wipe I would've at least done an app backup. However, let me just say that I am still a noob, only rooted two phones not including this one. The link that kevp75 posted was great. I am now rooted thanks to that workaround.

For you skiddish people, if I can do it, so can you. Just follow the instructions EXACTLY and you should be just fine.

On another note (and so sorry this is unrelated) I installed the S5 browser and it works great, but how do I keep the url bar from auto hiding? Send me a private message or a link so we don't bog down this great forum. :)
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 4 General] kpirnie:
gladd it workd out for ya... and welcome to yur rooted KitKat :D

Sent from my Venomous Droid Blue Chrome Edition S4 (team: [MENTION=4631220]Venom0642[/MENTION] [MENTION=2284570]ted77usa[/MENTION] [MENTION=833788]rebel1699[/MENTION]) ~ 20GB free cloud https://copy.com?r=vtiraF
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 4 General] CAG-man:
I gave in to, except I can't get safe strap to see my sd card after the full wipe. No the sd card is not wiped. I have verified nor did I check wipe sd card. I tried 3 times. Any ideas why that might be? It sees the card before the wipe but after, nothing. If I take the card out to verify in my computer, everything is still there. I'm so close to finishing this process. Lol. It is simple except my issue.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 4 General] loganfarrell:
It has to do with 3rd party apps not being able to mount the SD card on the Kit Kat ROM. Try out NextApp SD fix on the play store. It worked for me.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 4 General] DeadlySin9:
He's talking about while in Safestrap, that's different. I don't know why it wouldn't show up, I'd say just make sure it isn't unchecked by default on the mounts for some reason. I know mine doesn't like to remount sometimes but it definitely shows up.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 4 General] CAG-man:
I just reread the other thread and remembered the keep root rom. If I can't get the rooted stock to go, then I will use the keep root rom which doesn't require a wipe.

Edit: Used the Keep root rom. Now my phone has nearly all the S5 features. This should be good for the next year. Thank you to all who worked on the work around. Yes I am still a fan of a traditional method, but this still gets me root. Thank you.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 4 General] Russ77:
how not stock was your 4.3 "stock" rooted ROM?
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 4 General] steelew:
I would have to get rid of some of my apps to use only 6GB. Its nice to hear that the 2 to 3GB limit was false but it still doesn't work for me at the moment.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 4 General] ian_drimworld73:
i hope there is a way in rooting sgh i337 kitkat in the future.. Im from Philippines, it cost me a lot of expenses upgrading to kitkat and openlining my s4. I dont want to revert bact to mk2..
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 4 General] CAG-man:
It was the rom given to downgrade from 4.4 to 4.3 to get to rooted 4.4 with the work around method in the threads So how not stock?

The only thing the rom given can't do is wifi.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 4 General] Russ77:
no WiFi would be a deal breaker for me. I live in the sticks and have to use a microcell to get any signal, so all I get is 3g speeds or WiFi.

all I really use root for is adaway and pushing a few things to system apps occasionally.

I may use my s4 for messing around with now as I upgraded to a fully locked down s5. with adblock plus on WiFi and figuring out how to make it work on mobile data on a non-rooted device, its all good.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 4 General] CAG-man:
The 4.3 with no wifi is only temporary to get to the rooted 4.4. In fact no data usage is technically needed to do the work around method. My phone is currently rooted stock 4.4.2... with working wifi
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 4 General] Russ77:
maybe I'm just being dense... lol. my phone IS rooted 4.3. I had xposed for a while but removed it.

I can flash SS and flash the keeproot no-wipe OTA?
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 4 General] DeadlySin9:
You should be able to just fine

Sent from my SGH-I337 running Blackbox 3.0
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 4 General] Russ77:
thanks. last question... is the theme of 4.4.2 basically the same as 4.3 or does it more closely resemble the s5?
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 4 General] CAG-man:
It is basically the same. The status bar up top is all white. You can down load the S5 apps though after you upgrade to 4.4.2. In the s4 themes and apps forum is a thread with download links. My device is almost all S5 apps now. I don't recommend installing the browser or gallery apps. They seem to be bricking phone. Not all though so those are up to you to try. Don't forget to backup your old apps if you do try S5 apps.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 4 General] muniz_ri:
You can also try out 4.4 NB1 while maintaining the ability to flash back to factory stock MK2 and without doing anything more involved than flashing via Odin. Here is a neutered version of 4.4 NB1: http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=2700726
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 4 General] silrosriv:
Bootloop

Sorry to bother you guys but I have a problem now that I'm rooted. When I plug in my phone to my surface pro it gets stuck in a bootloop. I have plugged it in before with no problems. I made sure I have the right drivers. I even tried kies. Nothing works.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 4 General] steelew:
4.4.2 update going out for Verizon S4, ROOT here we come!

The 4.4.2 update is finally going out for the Verizon S4. Here's hoping that our S4 gets stock ROOT soon.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 4 General] bufordjustice:
I'll drink to that!!!
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 4 General] DrSeussFreak:
Here-Here
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 4 General] silrosriv:
I know AT&T doesn't get their updates quick, but I can't imagine being with a company like Cricket, who just got their update last night!
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 4 General] loganfarrell:
Because when was the last time you met someone who said they had Cricket? They're smaller. They have less customers to please.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 4 General] silrosriv:
Unfortunately, my brother. :( (I don't know why. I can't begin to explain the things my brought does. Lol. )
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 4 General] mg2195:
Verizon just got their's like 3 days ago...and they have a huge customer base
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 4 General] loganfarrell:
Verizon also has a history of sucking at delivering updates in a timely fashion. They're so big that it doesn't matter. Their customers either accept that in return for the service, or they didn't know that when signing up and are too lazy or cheap to get out of their contracts.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 4 General] Royal_Son:
In case I missed it. Is there root for the at&t s4 running 4.4.2 kitkat. (Nb1)
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 4 General] blablu:
Yes
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 4 General] 78530i:
He means "No". Not without changing ROM using Safestrap, which does make it impossible to go back to true stock using Kies (for warranty exchange). The custom ROM is a modified version of the stock KitKat ROM; so you could say by unrooting, you are going back to stock; but it's not really true. Kies won't restore after Safestrap has been used.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 4 General] dmc2359:
It is not impossible to go back to true stock...just odin the stock unmodified nb1 image
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 4 General] muniz_ri:
You can also unroot the custom rom and uninstall ss and end up with factory stock nb1.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 4 General] DeadlySin9:
Along with what they said, Kies hasn't had our firmware since MF3. So using Safestrap isn't the issue.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 4 General] 78530i:
This did not work for me. To be fair, I am returning my phone for intermittent USB connection failures; so...

And, after uninstalling Safestrap as otherwise suggested, I still got "Samsung Custom" boot screen. I am returning my phone to ATT as it is currently stuck. It boots to emergency recovery which neither Kies or Odin can write a ROM to.

I hope they don't blame the USB hardware fault on my use of custom ROM.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 4 General] DeadlySin9:
If they see the custom screen it certainly won't be covered under warranty and they probably will blame that for it. You have to do a full unroot, be on the stock system, and not have busybox installed as well as remove Safestrap. Did you try holding Volume down for download mode?
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 4 General] loganfarrell:
And if you ever want to get rid of that custom Samsung boot logo, run Triangle Away. Obviously for your situation, that isn't practical, but it's useful to know. It makes it appear you are running an unmodified system superficially.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 4 General] es0tericcha0s:
There's also an Xposed mod that makes the system say it's unmodified. Never used it so dunno if it supports all firmwares, but cool idea, in the same vein of looking legit.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 4 General] steelew:
Did this thread die?

Man verizon finally got the update and then this thread died. Are we waiting for 4.4.3 now?
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 4 General] loganfarrell:
Actually, some of us are waiting for more info about Android silver. Hopefully TouchWiz dies with its debut (In my opinion).
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 4 General] steelew:
Wow, don't hold your breath. That's about as likely as samsung and AT&T calling each and every one of us and apologizing for locking our phones down then giving us free galaxy S6's. But good luck. Also the rumors say February 2015. http://www.xda-developers.com/android/android-silver-to-possibly-arrive-february-of-next-year/
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 4 General] John The Rhino:
Lol. If only.