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[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 4 General] tmaddison93:
ok im totally confused, mayb i need to stop reading and clicking on these threads..... so let me get this straight because i am very anxious about upgrading my phone in a good way though. so here it goes.... sorry if im slow... i want to root my phone then upgrade to kit kat 4.4 i am on mk2. 4.3 now. I have the galaxy sgh i337... i need to flash root first, then do safestrap after that i need to upgrade to kit kat 4.4... please insert the links for me with my steps.. im overwelmed now. or please tell me the order of steps.. and i like to use odin. can i use it with all the steps

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ok so if i do this ... does this root the phone? OR after i do this step i need to still install safestap and then 4.4? or after doing this do i go straight to installing the kitkat update i guess thats aka NB1? all i wana do is get to the update . so please list the steps i shld follow from beginning to end... plz.. its soo mch info .. i am on mk2 4.3 already. where do i go from here ?
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 4 General] kpirnie:
you do this after u have rooter mk2 and safestrapped it.

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[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 4 General] phantom1999:
Haven't been on in a while is kit kat 4.4 rooted? My mf3 is rooted just for hot spots.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 4 General] kpirnie:
technically... no not yet... but there are work arounds... check out [MENTION=4631220]Venom0642[/MENTION] and [MENTION=2284570]ted77usa[/MENTION] threads

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[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 4 General] phantom1999:
So just stay where I'm at until 4.4 is rooted.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 4 General] kpirnie:
your call. Im running the mk2 -> nb1 method usimg the rom in my signature... works a champ :)

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[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 4 General] Tanus40:
So there is no Root method yet?
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 4 General] Maribou:
There is not an official root method for NB1 yet. You can however use [MENTION=833788]rebel1699[/MENTION] method to have a working root and SS for NB1.

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=2680868
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 4 General] ewokiscool:
Which Roms Are Supported With The method By muniz_r?

Just want a explination or possibly a short list to roms i will be able to use with muniz_r method

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Would you know of any roms that i can expect to work with using the muniz_ri method?
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 4 General] Maribou:
Sorry, I'm tired, and it has been a long day. [MENTION=4708661]muniz_ri[/MENTION] 's is a stock NB1 stock Rom with root and SS enabled. Not an actual root method.

[MENTION=833788]rebel1699[/MENTION] [MENTION=2284570]ted77usa[/MENTION] and [MENTION=4631220]Venom0642[/MENTION] did manage to get us root with the DEADLY VENOM KITKAT MAGIC TOOL.

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?p=51067706

[MENTION=833788]rebel1699[/MENTION] links you to [MENTION=2982241]guut13[/MENTION] 's thread with a list of Rom's that will work.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 4 General] Mordeth_0:
OK So I solved my encryption problems. I had to go into Settings --> More --> Application Manager --> All --> Find SuperSU --> Turn Off.

Reboot into Safe Mode (shut down. then on power on click the menu button like mad until boot is complete). Then Encrypt Device. That should solve the problem.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 4 General] Tanus40:
Which of the two methods would you consider to be the safest for a noob?
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 4 General] ted77usa:
[MENTION=5481859]Tanus40[/MENTION] either way both method super easy to use and hope u familiar with Odin .... and all the stuff.... make sure u know your firmware is it MK2 or NB1? coz each method using different file for different user.

Swyped From MK2 Dark Venom SS Edition
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 4 General] Tanus40:
I'm not familiar with Odin. Could you please direct me to a guide for it?
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 4 General] kpirnie:
go for the Deadly Venom

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[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 4 General] silrosriv:
Root?

So what about people that just want root to be able to fix the writing to extsd card issue?

I don't want to downgrade, and do 10 other steps to root. I don't want to install SS, or another rom. I just want access to my external sd card back. :(
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 4 General] kpirnie:
if you are on nb1... unfortunately for now u are s.o.l.

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[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 4 General] zablash:
I use deadly venoms tool and it works flawlessly. That is coming from someone who didn't even know what odin was before using his tool.

I have also flashed about 4 of the 4.4.2 compatible roms without trouble. I would recommend that one.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 4 General] riksterinto:
This method worked for me on 4.4.2

I used this method and successfully rooted today.

true-android blogspot ca /2014/03/root-i337mvlufnc1-galaxy-s4-sgh-i337m html

link above just replace spaces with periods (I'm a new account so it won't let me post outside links yet)
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 4 General] kpirnie:
im lovin [MENTION=4631220]Venom0642[/MENTION] s rom. even tho ive made a few tweaks... but thats just my own personal prefss... :) kudos to [MENTION=4631220]Venom0642[/MENTION] and [MENTION=2284570]ted77usa[/MENTION]

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you were able to root a stock s4 i337 on nb1?

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please... that method is for the i337M only... the canadian version.... please make understand this method will not... and does not work on the US version

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[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 4 General] zablash:
Hmm I'll definitely have to give Deadly Venom rom a go! I am currently using the Goldeneye 26 rom slimmed down to literally zero bloatware with the beautiful Domination theme :)
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 4 General] riksterinto:
reply

Yes it was stock S4 i337 on 4.4.2 KitKat(which is NB1 is it not?).

I did it on a Bell Canada device though so not sure if that makes a difference. I assumed most firmware was similar across carriers and just different bloatware, etc was added by each carrier.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 4 General] kpirnie:
yeah... thats the i337M and their update is NC1 not NB1.

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[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 4 General] silrosriv:
They're not. Unfortunately we can't use the i337m version.

(Weeping)

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Aw poo!
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 4 General] andrewdroid:
Ooh, a girl.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 4 General] silrosriv:
Ha!

Lol, yes, I've been a girl since I was born! It's pretty nice. ;) I've been on xda for over a couple of years.

And I'll keep coming back til there's a simple root method for my s4 4.4.2, or get writable privileges to my effing extsd card!
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 4 General] CavyS:
I have a feeling we will be waiting awhile for that. :crying:
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 4 General] big ach:
And suddenly her inbox is flooded :D
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 4 General] DrSeussFreak:
wow, girls on the interwebs, who would have thought? Damn, some of you need to get laid ;)
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 4 General] andrewdroid:
@ Silro. Keep your eye out for news reports on Verizon's GS4 getting KitKat, because once they get it, there should be even more developers working on direct root. I think some of our root methods for previous android versions come from the Verizon devs.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 4 General] kpirnie:
LMFAO

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[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 4 General] silrosriv:
Cool, thanks! I guess for now I'll have to settle for using the stock My Files to copy to my extsd card.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 4 General] andrewdroid:
Actually, ES Explorer recently came out with some 4.4 update but I have no idea whether it actually solved the problem or if it was just a rooted phone solution. Can you download it and let us know? (or anyone else who has unrooted nb1)
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 4 General] silrosriv:
Yes, it works! Woo hoo!
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 4 General] andrewdroid:
Well that's good to know. That's my favourite file browser anyway.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 4 General] Maribou:
I don't know if this will help or not, but If you are having issues with your SDcard check into this.

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php...lopers)|utmcmd=feed&__utmv=-&__utmk=196717359
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 4 General] gwzapata:
I followed this procedure for my NB1 ota, now I am rooted. I have AT&T I337.

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=2692825
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 4 General] Maribou:
Yeah, [MENTION=4708661]muniz_ri[/MENTION] 's method does give NB1 root, he even states in his OP that it's not a traditional root method.

True root will come soon enough though. We just have to be patient. :good:
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 4 General] DrSeussFreak:
I am with you, I want a traditional root, no custom ROM
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 4 General] jonez34:
Knox tripped after root

riksterinto. can you tell me if your knox warranty is still intact after your root? I am on a Canadian 1337m device and am looking to go up to Kit Kat but I want the root when I am done. I have rooted the 4.3 with knox still intact so i am leary about updating if this root method trips the knox warranty flag. thanks for finding this link and sharing it.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 4 General] rebel1699:
Personally, I take any root i can get. Root is root is root.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 4 General] John The Rhino:
Traditional root methods only work for traditional unlocked boot loaders. Who cares how we get root as long as we get root. Right? Achievement of root for locked bootloaders is more impressive than traditional root methods on unlocked devices. Thanks to all who made it happen for our S4!
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 4 General] mg2195:
Not necessarily true...as our phone has always had a locked bootloader and has had traditional root methods for every previous firmware...although I do agree with the fact that we do have this nbl safestrap root rom available is amazing

But hopefully we see a traditional root method shortly after verizon releases there kit kat
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 4 General] John The Rhino:
I was referring to KNOX (perhaps not clearly enough) which is unlike anything we've ever had before on or phones.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 4 General] mg2195:
Actually mk2 had knox, and once rooted superuser would ask if you wanted to attempt to disable it...bottom line is we are more locked down than ever, I think thats what you're trying to say :)
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 4 General] John The Rhino:
Exactly. Which is why achieving root is much more difficult than it ever has been before, even on phones with locked boat loaders.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 4 General] DrSeussFreak:
I am not belittling the work done by those who did the work, I just personally prefer to maintain my custom ROM.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 4 General] andrewdroid:
It seems like Verizon might be purposely waiting until the S5 rolls out in order to update the S4. That way the S5 will seem like more of an upgrade. Anyway, once it happens, there will be more devs working on traditional root.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 4 General] 4ndroid99:
Our best bet for now would be the SS root workaround. The process is easier than you think.

Although it's understandable that some ppl might not be comfortable flashing roms, etc.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 4 General] Russ77:
it looks as if there's a version that doesn't require wiping?
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 4 General] 4ndroid99:
I think so, but I never tried it because I used the first method.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 4 General] Russ77:
has anyone tried voodoo OTA rootkeeper going from MK2 to NB1?
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 4 General] loganfarrell:
From the developer's article about his app: "...Preserving root with OTA Root Keeper won't be possible anymore as new rooting techniques rely on more than just a setuid su binary in /system." So that program won't work, unfortunately. Nice idea though. Because of the way the NB1 update changes the partitions, the root can't survive in the ExtFS.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 4 General] CavyS:
Yeah it'll work....... on the international version. There is no "traditional" root for i337 NB1, period, and now I'm doubting there will be one.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 4 General] DeadlySin9:
Did you try it? I9505 system and such is close enough to ours that it could. CF is the only one that's exclusive to i9505 and other unlocked bootloaders because, well, unlocked. However, I don't see anything on there about supporting 4.4.2. That's the only reason i'd be skeptical about it, since it seems like just another Kingo or VROOT and those didn't do 4.4. The only reason a traditional root may not come about is due to the workaround already being here and from experience nobody will probably search for an easier method if we have one. That doesn't mean one could never be found. And also keep in mind most devs are working on something bigger, like kexec for Safestrap or other possible exploits for the bootloader and whatnot.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 4 General] CavyS:
I dont think the current workraround root should merit not coming out with a traditional one all together, I appreciate the developer who put in the work to make that but I wouldnt find it acceptable if that is the only root method for NB1 or that we would ever fine that type of root to be the new "norm". Obviously there are still a lot of people holding out for a traditional root for NB1 or else there wouldnt be threads like this with 100's of posts in them on various sites. I know I would rather keep a TW rom and root it then flashing some whole other rom that has already had issues with it. And yes I did try that root method and it failed.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 4 General] ozz200127:
[Updated: Q&A] Dan Rosenberg Has Unlocked AT&T Galaxy S4's Bootloader, But We Won't Get To See How For A While - Here Is Why

Published on May 1st, 2013
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 4 General] DeadlySin9:
That's old news. Whole year ago almost. What that is referring to is the Loki exploit. It was never actually a true unlock, and they didn't see it for a while because they waited for other S4's to be released so it could be used on them (namely Verizon).
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 4 General] rebel1699:
Yeah. Notice it is 2013. All that is concerning loki. Not useful in any manner. And, it was not an "unlock". It was a bypass.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 4 General] Maribou:
LOL. This just made my day. Thanks XDA.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 4 General] rebel1699:
You know, what you find "acceptable" is not going to be a concern when looking for exploits. With Samsung, we are in a tough situation right now. We do what we can to get users what they want. But let me be clear, nobody is owed anything. These exploits and methods require hard work, and are done for free. It is your choice on whether to use them or not. But to insinuate anyone has any obligation is beyond idiotic. Especially while devs are working on things with much more reward. Myself and [MENTION=4708661]muniz_ri[/MENTION] do what we can with what we have. Again, stating what you find "acceptable" is an insult. When you put in some work on it, or even have any idea what you are dealing with, please, come back and enlighten us.

End Of Rant

Sorry guys, just gets frustrating when people get that false sense of entitlement. Especially when contributing nothing of themself.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 4 General] mg2195:
He wasn't trying to insult your guys work, he even said he appreciates what you guys have done...I think he just could have had better wording on what he meant. All he is trying to say (I think) is that hopefully one day there will be a traditional root method. although you are right, devs work hard and they do it for free, it is wrong for us users to expect or demand things
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 4 General] CavyS:
Maybe I misspoke by saying what "I" find acceptable, but its pretty clear that there are a majority of people who do not. I in fact should of said "we", like I said before I appreciate and commend the work done to produce the current workaround I just dont think that its a substitute on any level to a traditional root. I can hand you a piece a paper and say its a $100 bill but good luck trying to deposit it in your account. I never claimed to know anything about exploits or coding I'm just stating that by saying since there is a current workaround for a root that it should/does deprioritize a traditional root method is moronic. Also I'd like to make it clear that I am not demanding or expecting anything, if there is never a traditional root method for NB1 so be it, and if we have to pay for a root well I'd be fine with that too.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 4 General] kpirnie:
amen brotha

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[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 4 General] rebel1699:
I hear ya. I just get irritated at entitled behavior, lol.

Here is the layout

There is no traditional root for now. Why? Because for further dev work, root is needed. Well, we have root. So instead of wasting days or weeks looking for a second root, they use the existing method to get started on the bigger things. Its all about time management and practicality at this point. Sammy has us over a barrel, and right now, everyone is busy just trying to get our pants back up.

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Yes, i know what you are saying. And still, even "we" is concerning nobody. This is not the first time methods like these have had to be used on locked bootloaders. Many android phone have had to take this exact same route, with no option. What "we" have to decide is "do we want root, or do we not?" Because, it is very likely that will be the exact outcome, given the current situation. What user find as acceptable has very little to do with what a dev finds practical and/or time efficient.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 4 General] muniz_ri:
[MENTION=833788]rebel1699[/MENTION] - I saw that guys post and just SMH, glad you replied to it. Thanks
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 4 General] Maribou:
And we wonder why devs get irritated and leave this place. Traditional or not, we have root. Plain and simple. IF you don't like it, don't use it. Enjoy your stock uber-bloated firmware. These guys work really hard to achieve what we have today. You have NO idea what goes on behind the scenes to make this possible. [MENTION=833788]rebel1699[/MENTION] , and [MENTION=4708661]muniz_ri[/MENTION] , the majority of the S4 community is in your debt, and we greatly appreciate the time, and effort you guys put into making this possible. With that being said, let's get back on topic and try to stop all this negativity. Save it for another social media site please.

Thanks.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 4 General] Naddict:
thread lightly cleaned. Members are reminded that respect is a mandatory requirement when posting. Just passing through here folks, nothing else to say.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 4 General] Maribou:
Thanks for stopping by Naddict. :good:
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 4 General] CAG-man:
I am still looking into and trying to crack a tradition root method. It is tough. I will keep working.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 4 General] Jamesyboy:
Nope...you mispoke when you shared an opinion (which is what it was) that you pretended was knowledgeable and logical. Respectfully, you just don't understand.

Note: I was actually on your side until your 2nd post. In the first one it sounded like you chose your worse hastily...this one just makes it seem like you just don't know what you're talking about (I don't mean that as an insult, and I'm not being smart...I mean it literally. You just don't understand the developers). This isn't the development lottery. Most don't ask for donations, most, when they do ask that you buy them a beer, come away with just enough to do just that, a few times. The devs don't do this work because they're serving the community. Although they do so in the process, serving the community isn't the motivator for most. They do the work because they a) want root/recovery/ROMs/mods for themselves b) they enjoy the process c) they enjoy the community.

A community that demands progress on certain processes, is entitled to certain features or modifications the dev themselves don't want/need, has an assertive opinion about what they're doing wrong when there merely providing a free service to the community...well, that's a community that is literally spoiling every motivator for them...

If you think about it in those terms, you can see why people would feel so strongly about it. And if you think about it in your terms (why people should be working on what you want at the expense of what they want, how the product of their efforts isn't a substitute, isn't acceptable, or isn't traditional, and discussions of metaphorical or fake hundred dollar bills...all with an air of superiority, sophistication, richness, and know-it-all (my god!!! This guy is the "XDA Simon Cowell"!!)) you'd understand why people feel strongly about your opinion on the subject.

Sometimes Devs are known for jumping the gun a split second too early when a post has any near even a whiff of entitlement, eta, etc...often they inflict collateral damage...but in this case, the person who responded to you was just really, really good at reading people and reading g the tone that lies somewhere in between the lines.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 4 General] kpirnie:
Thank you [MENTION=2629967]Jamesyboy[/MENTION]

I fully agree... and people who "expect" their version of what is "acceptable" is what should be the norm is the exact reason why there arent more developers contributing their hard work on places like this and simply keep it to themselves.

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[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 4 General] Jamesyboy:
Edited and deleted at the request of a user in order to bring the discussion here back on topic.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 4 General] Maribou:
Not to burst your bubble, but the issue has already been resolved. Mods have taken care of it. There is no need to go on and on about it. I'm not trying to be rude, but can we please just move forward and stay on topic. Thanks guys.

Sent from my warranty voided device...
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 4 General] Surge1223:
So has anyone confirmed kingo does not work on 4.4.2? If so, what was the error?

(Im aware theres currently a root method in place, im inquiring for future purposes)
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 4 General] rebel1699:
Yeah, kingo was tried. Not sure of the error, though. Maybe somebody here still on stock 4.4.2 could run and post output. I do know that "PTRACE_PEEKDATA failed: bad address" was an issue on one, same error bypasslkm gives on 4.4.2
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 4 General] kpirnie:
I tried initially. It just ran and rebooted my phone 4-5 times and came back with a big red Failed in the center of the prog.

Is there a log file that it Kingo produces?

I never looked for one... and of course Ive already uninstalled it... but Id b willing to give it another go if itd help...

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