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[Sony Smartwatch] dansharpy:
For people waiting for things to be shown on the clock face I'm using remote widget and Zooper. Make what ever watch face you want (I'm actually using tasker to show a few notifications you can't do in Zooper directly) and then enable low power mode in remote widget.
[Sony Smartwatch] Nomad1600:
Really nice watch face and it sounds like a good approach. How long of battery life do you get with this set up? Can you compare with a "stock" watch face?
[Sony Smartwatch] idle0095:
Can you still get the notifications on the screen when running remote widget? Hows the battery life?
[Sony Smartwatch] idle0095:
Really want a weather clock face from sony.
[Sony Smartwatch] sushiboy:
I tried it and it's fun. However, the remote widget only sync when my phone screen is on (my phone is HTC One M7 4.4.2). I think it's useful but still can't replace original watch face.
[Sony Smartwatch] dansharpy:
Battery life is still pretty good. Didn't notice a massive difference from stock. Notifications still work fine. You have to enable screen off updates in Zooper especially if you have a clock face! I use 4 widgets, one for the weather one for the clock face replacement one for info (battery of phone and my nexus, WiFi state etc) and one for media control. The media control switches to control whatever I'm playing music from (nexus7 or my HTC one)
[Sony Smartwatch] idle0095:
When you say notifications work the same using remote widget do you see the notifications on the screen like you would with stock watch face or is the notifications just in the status bar?
[Sony Smartwatch] dansharpy:
I use tasker to send notification counts to Zooper. Then they show up on the watch face replacement on my watch and also in watchify which i use to read them on my watch. I can either clear them from my phone using watchify or when I turn my phone on next. I don't use any other notification apps on the watch itself as I can do everything I need with watchify and Zooper. Hope that all makes sense!
[Sony Smartwatch] idle0095:
Ok I get what your saying now. U use zopper to view them. I know using remote widget when you get a notification on your watch it will only show it in the status bar and not on the screen like the stock watch face does.
[Sony Smartwatch] dansharpy:
You could use tasker to show the notification content in Zooper as well using the %NTITLE variable but I prefer to use watchify.
[Sony Smartwatch] idle0095:
I real reason I want to use remote widget is because I want weather on the watch face. But I need notifications to still show up. I use watchify as well. How did you get this to work?
[Sony Smartwatch] dansharpy:
I just use both. Between Zooper ,tasker and remote widget I can make my watch show me everything and anything. Just requires an understanding of variables and passing them between tasker and Zooper. Google is your friend on getting it all set up!
[Sony Smartwatch] kill_dano:
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look around the google + group for call handling pro. The dev talked about it in the comments of one of the beta updates.

I'll get it: He's talked about it a few times:

This is a know problem and it is because third party apps cannot take priority. It is by Sony design so nothing I can change. However I think a solution is found in latest SW2 firmware where you can have widgets on the watch face. I have the beta and I have already included two widgets in the latest beta of this app. In my tests it now works fine. I hope Sony releases soon.﻿

- Mar 5, 2014

#Smartwatch

Just a quick note to say that I am working on an update. Japanese translation is done. I have also started to make a widget for the watchface. This functionality will only be available on the upcoming update of the Smartwatch 2. This will also solve some priority issues.

I will try to round fix some smaller reported bugs as well. Also I will need to address the handling of low power mode.﻿

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This is mainly a small release to test out the new SDK so it will not break things. IF you have the new SW2 firmware where you can put widgets on the watchface I have now included two widgets. One is for call log and the other one will only display the logo. This is mainly to be used for priority over any other running app on the watch.

So if you do not have the new firmware please just test that it works as normal.

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When asked how he got the update:

I got it from Sony when I went to the developer conference, WIPJam, which is part of MWC in Barcelona. They had had a Hackathon there. ﻿

when asked to elaborate on features:

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I do not know when the release will be but my guess is that it will be soon. In most part the new firmware has been stable.

Check out the blog here and you can see some things about the new widget support. Even though they do not show it in action on the pictures.

Developers can now also design clock widgets. I have not tried it yet myself though. So now it should be possible to scrap apps like Clocki (or if they instead update to widgets). The main advantage is that it can run even if you get disconnected. In fact now for my app the widget will show Offline if you are disconnected from your phone. Apps like Clocki will probably stop when they are disconnected. I have not tried any like that myself.

There are also some other small improvements not mentioned in the blog but you will have to wait and see.

Overall it is nice to see the improvements that are coming.

http://www.xperiablog.net/2014/03/0...gs-new-watchfaces-and-customisation-options/﻿
[Sony Smartwatch] spark001uk:
OK mate thanks for that. At least we know it's more of a WHEN rather than an IF, that was my main concern. Just a matter of waiting then, as I've now asked the xperia helpline twice and they haven't even got a clue what I'm on about, very unhelpful!

;)
[Sony Smartwatch] idle0095:
The link is bad.
[Sony Smartwatch] Calystos:
I clicked it got the error, but once I removed the end bits it worked fine and came up as this: http://www.xperiablog.net/2014/03/0...ngs-new-watchfaces-and-customisation-options/

Which is just a re-post of the link in the O/P, so you could also just go and click it there too of course.

I'm hoping that I'll be able to have a binary clock style screen, love that widget on the phone but not found any decent ones that match it for the smartwatch. Least none that look/feel right, most of them I've found were just terrible.
[Sony Smartwatch] sushiboy:
I did enable screen off update (CPU only). Now I know why I thought it didn't work. Actually it worked, but in my case, it synchronized every 2-3 mins if my screen was off. Clock may not be accurate but it's OK for me.

Update:

I found the setting to fix the sync gap. In Zooper's global preference, check "standby updates".

Update 2:

My synchronization is still dropped after 1 hour.
[Sony Smartwatch] hikari91:
Mee too
[Sony Smartwatch] idle0095:
What widgets are those?
[Sony Smartwatch] sushiboy:
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.jvmetrobars.zwskin

Use Zooper 1X1 widget and do some resize and tweaks.
[Sony Smartwatch] Depump:
At moment can we update rom via SUS ?

today i try to connect by SUS it don't show Smartwatch 2

have MN2 and liveview only
[Sony Smartwatch] francis820:
Ah... finally I'm not alone. Yup SW2 has gone off the SUS selection for a week now :confused:

Sent from my Galaxy Note 2, paired with SW2 Sony Smartwatch 2

N7100XXUENA1 JB 4.3
[Sony Smartwatch] JarlSX:
hmmm, anyone notice this happening with the previous update?

maybe the update is almost here?

i've never updated with SUS, so i have no idea
[Sony Smartwatch] Fooox1:
I can not confirm. For me it is still displayed and I can select them.

Just above (red square) button. There is also offered an update.
[Sony Smartwatch] steliosk:
I checked yesterday, it said that there was an update, but nothing it was the same rom.
[Sony Smartwatch] Calystos:
I know that the Smart Connect got an update on the 9th (though some people have reported lots of problems such as it randomly stops working and they need to turn off/on things like bluetooth again to fix it temporarily), so hopefully that means Sony will release the SmartWatch SW2 update sometime soon. I check daily, but nothing yet.

Looking forward to the update though, lets hope it lives up to the hype and delivers us the things that the watch should have had from day 1 such as options for background selectors, more watchfaces (inc options for them, such as backgrounds, or custom features, updated api, etc), and basic settings for things like the annoying timeout which should have a setting to let you alter it as its way way too short sometimes.
[Sony Smartwatch] steliosk:
How do you check it, because when I try to connect with update service, it always says that there is an update but it is the same....

Edit: I downloaded the new version of smart connect, I am checking it...
[Sony Smartwatch] aimfire72:
Yeah, no kidding. Especially since Samsung Gear 2 coming out April 11, which is probably their biggest competition (for now). This update was leaked & teased about what, over 6 weeks ago? Let's go! I swear, Sony must have one guy actually working on the software and about 30 others that have to approve it first. :/
[Sony Smartwatch] Calystos:
I usually just do the following to check for updates to the smartwatch sw2 via smart connect:

Launch Smart Connect

Click SmartWatch 2 (Under Devices)

Click SmartWatch 2 Edit settings

Click ...

Click About

Click Update accesssory

Done

And until the patch update is released it just says already got latest version.

FYI folks yet another update released by sony today for Smart Connect, lol, thats the third or forth this week alone! So guess they're working on fixing it to work with the SmartWatch SW2 update or something.

And yeah aimfire72 its annoying, you'd think Sony would at least give us an ETA or something as-is fek knows whats happening, lol.
[Sony Smartwatch] MJFox78:
why should they give us anything? they already got our money and beside of a few nerds spending their free time browsing through tech-forums and tech-blogs nobody even knows that an update is being worked on... and judging from my experience most of the non-tech-people don't really care for new features, some of them even are annoyed that they have to deal with some tech-stuff and perform an update and learn how to handle new features etc.

let's face it, people like us are a minority and most of the companies don't really care for nerds like us

greetings

MJFox
[Sony Smartwatch] vrl13:
You're basically describing the iSheeps :D but they'll get their appliances soon enough, so it's still up to the XDA&Co people to help developers 'see the light' when it comes to smart devices.
[Sony Smartwatch] MJFox78:
Big SmartWatch 2 update coming (1.0.B.4.80); brings new Watchfaces and custom...

that's a little off-topic here, but: no, the average person isn't an iSheep or an Android-lover

my brother has an Android phone and he didn't download a single app yet because "apps are evil, they steal your data or contain a virus that destroys your device" (of course I told him that's not true, but he doesn't really want to "take the risk")... my sister traded her HTC for an iPhone because the sales guy told her that an iPhone has a much better battery life... you get the point, those are normal people, they don't give a sh*t about an update for their phone, let alone an update for a smartwatch (beside that they won't even come up with the idea to buy a smartwatch because they don't even know that something like a smartwatch exists)

so to make a long story short: Sony doesn't care for the small percentage of users who are eagerly waiting for an update, they have no reason to do so, it's not relevant enough

greetings

MJFox
[Sony Smartwatch] aimfire72:
If you're happy with the watch the way it is, then by all means, don't upgrade.
[Sony Smartwatch] ghalik:
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[Sony Smartwatch] SxperiaS:
Looks like the update should not take much more time.

Developer from watchit said in the app update that Sony new firmware update is upcoming.
[Sony Smartwatch] ikrisna:
I hope this update will also fix battery drain issue on Moto G and Moto X running kitkat
[Sony Smartwatch] steliosk:
Totally agree, the developer of "watchit" application says: "NOTE: Please install this update *before* upgrading to the upcoming Sony firmware!

If the app starts to behave odd after that firmware upgrade, simply uninstall this app and make a clean install - it will restore your app specific settings settings automatically, but you still need to follow the instructions.

Contains a fix for the new firmware and a workaround for users with 200+ apps installed - the list will no longer show all the icons in those long lists."
[Sony Smartwatch] Ruben1987:
I can confirm that a new update for the SM2 is ready. After seeing the same note in the changelogs of Watchit as some of you did I did the following:

* Connected my smartwatch 2 to the PC

* Started Sony Update Service (SUS)

* It reported a new firmware was ready

* It installed and rebooted the SM2

My SM2 needed to charge so a.t.m. I cannot check what update it did. As soon as I have a fully charged SM2 I will try to post some screenshots and confirm the buildnr.

Let me know if other people also get the update and post it here.
[Sony Smartwatch] ParanormalBat:
Only one problem though, SUS always shows an update, and has already bricked the smartwatches of those who have tried to update.
[Sony Smartwatch] Calystos:
According to Smart Connect no update yet, and like HussainQ said SUS isn't always very reliable. Plus I just looked on SUS and all I saw was the MN2 not the SW2 listed. So make sure your not mistaking that one for the SmartWatch 2 SW2 model. As the SW2 was removed from SUS/SEUS some while back and apparently is no longer supported according to an admin on the sony official support forums. According to other posts it was removed because of the problems people were having.
[Sony Smartwatch] ruggs1234:
What...the Smartwatch 2 is no longer supported by the Sony Update Service.

I have managed to rescue my dead watch twice in the 6 months ive owned it using this service.

Do I now have to send it back every time it freezes to the point I cant revive it by holding the power button for 30 seconds.

Argh!
[Sony Smartwatch] Calystos:
Fek knows, all I know is what I read on the various threads on the official sony support forum inc posts from their own admin. Whether or not its an actual official sony backed thing is another story. Perhaps they will bring it back later when its working properly again.

All I know for certain is I don't see the SW2 listed at all on SUS/SEUS, and all the numerous threads I read about how many people had major problems with it causing bricked devices/etc which would explain why it has been removed an whatnot.

It may be that it can still be used to recover dead devices/etc, or restore them to factory defaults maybe, no idea on that one not tried.
[Sony Smartwatch] steliosk:
What about your update? Can you confirm?

---------- Post added at 02:00 PM ---------- Previous post was at 01:29 PM ----------

this is the message from sony forum:

"Solution! Re: Smartwatch 2 NOT listed in SUS software

Options

2 weeks ago

SW2 is no longer supported by SUS.

I suggest that you do the firmware update via the phone application instead. In the SW2 application you can search for new updates."
[Sony Smartwatch] Calystos:
Not quite sure why you quoted me for since I specifically said a few posts back that I don't use SUS to update my SW2 anyways, I only replied to the previous comment stating I checked SUS to see if it was listed as the previous person had stated and I mentioned that I thought they may have got it mixed up with the MN2 by mistake.

I actually said I use the Smart Connect (phone application) along with the SmartWatch SW2 module for it to check, via About, etc. Which is what is recommended and has been for a while now, ;)

And should people check previous pages of this thread itself you would see I also gave specific instructions on how to properly check for firmware updates using Smart Connect rather than using the no longer supported SUS/SEUS software, :) (EG: http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=51798748&postcount=142 for example, hehe)
[Sony Smartwatch] steliosk:
I quoted you to say that you are correct and the only method is through the smartWatch SW2 app.
[Sony Smartwatch] Calystos:
Ahh, k, good call. I should have really linked some posts/threads from the official sony support forums to show the info or something to begin with I guess, lol.
[Sony Smartwatch] ruggs1234:
I accept that the best way to UPDATE the watch is through the Smart Connect software but can Sony PLEASE give us back the REPAIR facility on the Sony Update Service.

I wouldnt have made it this far (6 months) without it!
[Sony Smartwatch] khonarr65:
So has the update been available?

My smart connect still says the watch is on latest version!
[Sony Smartwatch] porio:
I bet that we will first receive an update of the SW2 software on Google Play, and that this update will take care of the watch's firmware.

SO i suggest to look periodically at 'My Apps' on Google Play to see if an update of the SmartWatch 2 app (NOT Smart connect) is available.
[Sony Smartwatch] Pinkcat:
Sony Smartwatch

Cool! I want to have one. :good:
[Sony Smartwatch] Calystos:
I might have misread this a bit, but checking Google Play won't tell you squat if there is a firmware update available via the app. It'd only tell you if there was an update for the actual module/app itself not the firmware/rom for the device.

Though chances are there will be a major update to the SmartWatch 2 SW2 module going purely by all the API and other changes that are rumored so its probable there will indeed be an update released to coincide with the firmware update, this may or may not actually happen mind. It all depends on whether or not updates are required for the changes in the firmware, etc.

Often you won't need to update the frontend gui launcher in order to get a firmware update, as usually the launchers are already working right/etc. The only times you'd generally get a launcher update would be if there were some bugs needing fixing, or say internal variables need altering/etc. That being said, you may have noticed that there have actually been several updates released for Smart Connect, so it looks like they've done some changes to that side of things anyways (no changes or updates released for SmartWatch 2 SW2 app though, not since 13th December 2013), they also released like 4 or more patch updates in less than a week for it all in a row so musta been some major changes/bugs to fix, lol.

In order to actually check for a firmware update you need to make sure you have Smart Connect installed, along with the SmartWatch 2 SW2 module. You then launch Smart Connect on your phone, go to the SmartWatch 2 SW2 item in the Devices list, then click SmartWatch 2 Edit settings, click the ... item and go to About then finally you can check for updates there. :)

However, it does no harm to actually check the store for updates to the frontend gui's of course, so yes it is a wise thing to do now an then too. But remember the actual firmware is only updated via running the app itself, and that the store page won't actually tell you if theres a firmware update out or not yet.

Oh and @khonarr65 no, no update available yet. I'm checking daily, but nothing yet unfortunately. (Just checked as I wrote this as well). Am sure soon as its available someone will make a post, :)
[Sony Smartwatch] JarlSX:
i've installed all firmware upgrades by updating the Smartwatch 2 app on the phone and let it update the watch

i actually don't think there's been an update to the Smartwatch 2 app without a new firmware included

unless ofcourse you just bought the watch, with older firmware, install the app, then it will update the firmware right away

seems to me updating the firmware is only possible by a Smartwatch 2 app update, since the support was removed in SUS

so yes, checking the Play store for an update is right now the only way to see if there's an update

afaik anyway :)
[Sony Smartwatch] Brewn:
Changes and new features in the firmware of the smartwatch will in most cases require an update of the Smartwatch-App on the phone as well. Why shouldn't they simply upgrade their Smartwatch-App via Google Play first and package the latest Smartwatch-firmware with the App itself? This would make it so much easier for them to distribute firmware upgrades, as they wouldn't have to deploy a separate infrastructure for distributing new firmwares. Actually, I am pretty sure they already do so - the smartwatch App is almost 5MB which could very well include the current firmware for the Smartwatch.

Anyways - we'll (hopefully) see in the near future ;)
[Sony Smartwatch] Calystos:
Aye, who knows what they'll do to the store system in the future.

I bought my SW2 about October last year, installed Smart Connect & the SW2 module, ran it an checked about an it said there was a firmware update so updated. I vaguely recall December when the launcher module/app got updated but was just a minor update for bug fixes/stability. I can't recall if there was a firmware update or not then, I know the previous update was indeed the larger firmware update that added things like new watch faces/etc, so yeah they may probably include the firmware in the update, not always but sometimes.

I wonder if the firmware update is included in the app itself (current v1.3.19 is 2.30MB according to store page anyways), which on the one hand would make sense for terms of speed and immediate update access, but on the other hand would of course mean a constant waste of storage space for something that probably would only be needed once (less of course you somehow rolled back a firmware/etc).

Pros & Cons regardless which path is taken I guess, all depends on the device in question in the end. On newer devices space isn't often an issue, so its fine, but on older devices space is always an issue so would be a problem if not checked carefully. But who knows how they handle it, or how it works precisely. It may have the firmware included (for speed/accessibility/etc), or it may just link to a site where it can check for latest firmwares/etc (for space saving/etc, and of course the obvious to be able to check for newer versions).

*shrugs* Who knows, hehe, :)

Lets all just hope it lives up to the hype, and they finally add all the things it should have had from day 1, lol. I'll be happy if I could change the damned timeout, background wallpaper, and have the option to have better watchfaces (like say I like using a binary clock but the app for it has to be ran all the time to have it replace the watchfaces which drains the battery faster unfortunately).

How about you lot, what things would you peeps want added/changed/removed?
[Sony Smartwatch] JarlSX:
december update of the SW2 app brought the 1.0.B.3.46/1.0.A.3.8 firmware update, with new watchfaces, that's the last update to the app and also the firmware

edit:

i still want to be able to set the screen/message timeout, it's often just a couple of seconds too short

and some way to create watchfaces, none of the watchface apps can show notifications in an acceptable way, making the watch unusable