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[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] Wintergon:
I created this issue for myself on Sunday and thought I was going to have to pull out the old RAZR M until a new ODIN was released.

I installed the leak downgraded to MK2 per Surge's instructions upgraded to the leak keeping root and then decided I would install the Google dialer...it didn't like it too much :crying:. Long story short I somehow broke SS and it wouldn't boot. I could no longer get into recovery mode and got the message you had after trying another recovery attempt.

I don't remember everything I tried during that time but I was able to put my phone in download mode and re-flashed the leak via ODIN. When that completed my phone came back up (whew). Your mileage may vary but it did work for me.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] SamuriHL:
The issue is he wasn't on the leak, he was on NC5 and tried to downgrade using the MK2 full ODIN image which soft bricked. My thought was to treat it similar to being on the leak and try to downgrade with those instructions to get it booting enough to reapply the NC5 OTA update. It's only a theory...
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] merickk:
Would that work to go from ME7 to NC2 with a vz S4?
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] SamuriHL:
At this point I'd not go to NC2. NC5 is the OTA. If you do want to go to NC5 from ME7 (which as I said in the PM I don't necessarily recommend but if you wish to anyway) I'd personally wait for an ODIN flash for many reasons. I'm cautious...I tend to like to be able to fully restore my device. :)
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] Wintergon:
Gotya. Yeah only theories and waiting at this point. I must have read too fast thought he was on NC2.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] SamuriHL:
What you guys and gals really need is a full NC5 ODIN image. Hopefully soon.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] Hashbang173:
Foxfi just got updated with tehering for 4.4 verizon devices support!!!!!
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] SamuriHL:
Good things do come to those who wait. LOL :)
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] merickk:
Or an unlocked bootloader LOL
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] ChaoticHavok:
Is this true?! Can someone else confirm?
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] riker147:
Check the Play Store.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] ChaoticHavok:
Yeah I saw the description but I prefer to have multiple success cases just to be on the safe side.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] riker147:
Have you tested it yourself?
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] Wintergon:
Quote:

Originally Posted by SamuriHL View Post

What you guys and gals really need is a full NC5 ODIN image. Hopefully soon.

Or an unlocked bootloader LOL

Ahmen, +1, etc. to these. I don't think the bootloader issue will get resolved but an ODIN will come in time (fingers crossed for soon).
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] Hashbang173:
Tested and working on stock NC5
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] JTSDeveloper:
Any good looking hope for a root method for nc5?
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] 3aucla1r3:
Foxfi

Works perfectly on NC2
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] swrght13:
Tested foxfi and working on my stock 4.4.2 NC5
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] Hashbang173:
1 thing, It won't let you install the certificate with a pattern unlock. Only pin or password
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] swrght13:
That's what it did to mine. I had to choose one or the other.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] xsalemx:
FoxFi was update today! WiFi tethering works!
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] Hashbang173:
To clear confusion if you choose pin or password and follow the things foxfi does to say it works well
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] AndroidCraig:
I'm stock on rooted MK2 with bloatware removed. Reading about the improvements with the camera makes we want the upgrade. But I don't want to lose root, nor do I want to deal with the SD card issues that KK imposes.

Is there anyway to get the new camera on MK2?
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] Sir_Eagle:
Waiting for this too. Maybe you'll get it for us?

Loved your HOB on my Bionic.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] SamuriHL:
I don't have your device else I'd be looking for it. Keep checking Sam Mobile and Kies. It's bound to show up eventually on one of those places.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] swrght13:
That's correct. It says in the description on the play store that there's a bypass to the pin/password lockscreen, but that only applies to jelly bean. Maybe they'll come up with a bypass for kitkat..
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] mike.s:
Of course - don't update and wait for a pre-rooted install.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] Scorp123:
I'd be very curious to find out the progress or possibly of NC5 update for those of us lucky enough to still be on unlocked MDK.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] mhannah3333:
I did the full wipe Odin before taking the ota. I have noticed my hidden menu still works. Is the hidden menu working with anyone else?
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] Hashbang173:
I think the hidden menu settings are in /efs so they won't be affected
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] mhannah3333:
Ok.. so I guess the full wipe Odin tar doesn't wipe everything.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] swrght13:
I did a factory reset after the odin wipe just to be sure
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] Surge1223:
You can not flash a a full-wipe or no-wipe Odin tar to go back. You have to use a custom made Odin tar. Also for people getting the status 7 error where /preload fails to mount after flashing cache the solution is to boot into stock recovery and factory data reset followed by flashing hidden.img.ext4 via Odin or Heimdall. Why?

consider how the hidden and preload partitions are related, and there's your answer

Hint:

mount("ext4", "EMMC", "/dev/block/platform/msm_sdcc.1/by-name/system", "/system");

mount("ext4", "EMMC", "/dev/block/platform/msm_sdcc.1/by-name/hidden", "/preload");
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] dtomlin:
NC5 is on sammobile
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] Surge1223:
Im uploading the no-wipe and full-wipe Odin tars right now
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] TheOmegaTD:
[MENTION=4939386]Surge1223[/MENTION], when you get a chance, can you update the MD5 for the Odin tars you just posted on the development page? Currently there blank.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] dtomlin:
We're all waiting for you to drop the pre rooted deodexed method on us like you did for nc2. When it hits I'll try to help you field some of the questions you get bombarded with.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] ppat324wi:
Sorry I'f this has been answered before, but I got the kitkat update, and the quick settings icons are still the same, blue and green. Weren't they supposed to change to the white and green like the s5?
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] dtomlin:
No, that's what samsung decides to do with the touchwiz ui. The biggest cosmetic difference is.... The battery icon.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] daodom1029:
Sorry if this has been answered, but what is the difference between NC2 & NC5 builds?
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] dtomlin:
Nc2 was the leak. NC5 was the official ota.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] sgs4lover:
can't get update

i have done the downgrade back to mk2 but i just can't figure out how to get it to take the ota and upgrade assistant won't recognize my s4 on windows and on mac it says theres no new update- but i know there is because the ota is downloaded but fails when i try to install
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] MedleHed:
For some reason I don't think this is the answer they were looking for...

As far as I can see the differences are minimal. They included the apps Isis Wallet, Emergency Alerts, and VZ Protect. And the Software Update button was moved out of the About Phone menu. The date stamp on the kernel is different, but the version is the same. Maybe there are more differences with the bootloader or something, but that's over my head.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] AKNOTTS66:
Are you rooted? if so u must odin back to stock mk2 i believe. You cant just take the OTA 4.4.2 while rooted.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] jhanson:
http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=2735172 should work for you.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] sgs4lover:
THANKS A LOT! THIS LOOKS LIKE WHAT I NEEDED!:laugh::good:
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] portscan:
I went on ahead and upgraded mine. I have came to see i really don't use root as much as I used to. I was waiting for FoxFi to be compatible with KK and I saw the update that it was, so I went for it. I have to say my phone is much snappier and smooth. The battery also seems to be a lot better than 4.3 as well. Only on the 24th hour of having it installed, so it isn't fully baked in to have a total accurate test about it. So far I like it. It was a lot of hype over it for it to be just a few changes. I do like the white icons that it has, but aside from that and the bloat, there really isn't too much difference in it and 4.3. It definitely doesn't have the look the S5 UI has, but that was expected. All in all I like it so far. It is always good to get an update. It kinda makes it seem like you just got a brand new phone. It sort of takes the itch away of dropping 6 or 700 bucks to have the latest and greatest. Just my 2 cents.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] Excessiveidling:
I'm seriously wondering that all these people that are upgrading to kitkat and proclaim about the smoothness or quickness if its just either 1. a placebo effect or 2. an effect of the fact that more than likely a system reset was done during or before update so temp files cleaned up. All in all I must agree with the general smoothness being better (coming from standard non rooted s4 (never been rooted/rom'd or anything) using nova launcher (and having turned off quite a few things).

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[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] SamuriHL:
It's definitely more efficient. I've been running it since 15 days after it dropped on my GPE. My note 10.1 2014 was just updated last week and there was a noticeable difference between 4.3 and 4.4.2. It's not placebo. They reduced the memory footprint of Android. The idea was to make it work better on lower end devices so they could get them off of GB. While the majority of this upgrade is "under the covers" it's a worthy upgrade in terms of performance and stability. Let's not forget the security updates, too, which will make finding root a joy (/sarcasm).
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] jdlt1:
Google wallet works!
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] ppat324wi:
Im getting massive battery drain on my phone, 44 percent for android os. Anyone else have the same problem?
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] SamuriHL:
Could be the 4.4.2 bug. Sadly. Being fixed in 4.4.3. Gotta go. :D
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] jwhistler:
Yeah...guess I'll be staying on 4.3 with root for a while :crying:
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] peppersu812:
Bug? What bug? Only bug I know is the bootloader is really buggy. It won't unlock. Lol
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] Redflea:
Screen mirroring works on rooted KitKat NC5 for me, yay! Never worked on rooted JB.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] Caprice_0083:
Nope........nopenopenopenopenopenope

I'm not taking this update, the last one robbed me of being to install all the great ROMs and now I'm stuck with safestrap compatible ones. I like Hyperdrive 13 but i know there is better I can't install.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] :
That is just downright rude to scott.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] jwendt79:
Has verizon mentioned a date for this update? I could care less about the update but the wife wants it....
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] damnyouwaffles:
Guys how do I get this update if I am rooted on the latest for Verizon? Do I just remove SuperSU through the option in the app and then I can safely take the update? I know its not out yet but I kind of want to be prepared.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] holla420:
U would have to Odin back to stock. Mk2 or mj7 which ever ur phone is running. Then take the update

---------- Post added at 11:17 PM ---------- Previous post was at 11:11 PM ----------

I feel u on being safe strapped in but I've been an exclusive hyperdrive flasher. Been in all his ROMs even when I was mdk. The man is a genius. Best tw ROM out but that's just my opinion. Yea all these new ROMs popping up looks fun but there's nothing like HD RLS. :thumbup:
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] jwhistler:
No way I'm taking this update. I've worked too hard to get 4.3 working in a way that I'm "mostly" satisfied.with the S4's performance.

I'm rooted, which I don't want to lose because through root I've been able to freeze most of the useless crapware that Verizon and Samsung have stuffed on to this phone.

I'm also running the GEL/Google Experience Launcher found on KK 4.4 so, for all practical purposes, my phone is as updated as I need or want it to be.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] Bloodcrav:
It's gonna be the same old story. The person takes the update then two weeks later everybody is pissed because there's no root method or they can't downgrade.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] JihadSquad:
Yeah they are saying stuff like Samsung replaced Google's emojis with their own, even in hangouts and Google keyboard.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] tech_head:
Yep, running 4.3 with Wanam, Wallet and tethering working fine.

Not willing to give that up for 4.4.

This is my last Samdung phone anyway. Completely turned off by KNOX and the S5 just isn't enough of an upgrade to separate me from $600+.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] Mistertac:
A lot of them that took the OTA are also getting stuck with the mk2 baseband as well... Things are not going to well for some of them
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] coltonwood:
any idea if the kitkat update, when it comes, will be like the s5's version of touchwiz as revealed yesterday? or is that an s5 exclusive thing?

for reference if you haven't seen: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jUX2t1QjfVw
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] Mistertac:
Well my sprint s4 already got the 4.4 update and it looks just like 4.3 lol so the s5 is going to have a few different things I think that make it stand out
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] coltonwood:
well dang. i know some people had the update but i hadn't looked into it enough i guess. thanks for the reply buddy.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] Mistertac:
No prob. All in all the s5 is noting more than an s4.5 if you ask me lol

At least people can get their heart rate right from the phone once they realize that themselves after buying it...
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] coltonwood:
i definitely agree. kinda sad. the touchwiz looked a little weird, but i would have liked to have tried it out, which is the only reason i ask. otherwise, i'm perfectly happy with my s4 (running Nova anyway lol).
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] fillyo:
Did you have the S3? Did you say the S4 was an S3.5? The differences between the two were greater than I thought, I owned the S3 for over a year before picking up an S4. I am sure it will be the same way going from the S4 to the S5.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] Mistertac:
I myself didn't have the s3 but my girl did and I think there was definitely a lot of improvements going from the s3 to s4 for sure... But not as many going from the s4 to s5.

Snapdragon 800 or 801 whatever it is.. And a slightly better camera just don't do it for me. Sure having it be more water resistant and the other gimmicky things are Cool but not a deal breaker for me.

It's still an awesome phone, I just think they dropped the ball and left the door open for companies like HTC to pass them up.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] :
Are cell phones suppose to have a blu-ray player with satellite TV, i7 cpu to play flappy bird smoothly, 4k display on a small screen to watch YouTube?

Don't mean to sound rude, but I would like opinions. If you were a cellphone manufacturer, what would YOU have done?
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] Mistertac:
Alright. You like the S5 a lot. That's fine. Not saying it's a bad phone, I just think it could have had some more done to it in the way of build quality and perhaps more or a revamp on its TW to name a few.

http://mobile.pcadvisor.co.uk/reviews/mobile-phone/3503692/samsung-galaxy-s5-hands-on-review/

I get what you're saying I wasn't meaning that the phones junk. Just that they could have done some things different, but hey not every phone a company makes has to be totally different from the last. And it's just my opinion.

Here is another great site I base my opinion on

http://www.gizmag.com/galaxy-s5-vs-galaxy-s4/30985/
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] mikeneff2006:
Hey Surge, is there a difference between VRUFNC2 and VRUFNC5? And if so what are they?
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] V0latyle:
Is the search function on the forum broken or something? I don't get it.

NC2 is the leak, pre release. NC5 is the official OTA. You have officially exhausted your allowed number of noon questions...
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] mikeneff2006:
Wow Nice sarcasm, what a ****... Thank you, I appreciate the information though.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] peppersu812:
How do you expect for people to learn. Not only is he that but he can't spell. Noon is actually called "noob"
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] ppat324wi:
Rooted NC5? How?
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] Mistertac:
Android OS eating up more battery than your screen on time under battery stats means you have all sorts of wakelocks going on. Not having root some things you should try :

Turn Always Allow Scanning under WiFi advanced menu to off.

Put your GPS to battery saving mode or GPS only and don't let Google use your location and WiFi for " better" results. Course this all depends on how you use your phone.

With all damn Sammy apps and Google always wanting to know your location and WiFi scanning all the time your battery will take a hit.

When the Nexus got Kit Kat this was also a problem that everyone was not to happy about
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] SamuriHL:
Lol. There really is a bug though.

http://phandroid.com/2014/03/24/android-4-4-3-battery-draining-bug-fix/
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] Mistertac:
Yea there's the camera bug too .

Without having root I was just throwing out some ideas to help. Realistically you need to remove a ton of bloat, use Greenify, and grab a Wakelock detector of some kind to chase down the rest.

Sux for those who updated without giving the possibility of root some consideration
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] SamuriHL:
Yup. Is there a bounty for this build? If not someone interested in acquiring root for it might consider starting one. I know the s5 bounty is quite large.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] Azuma73:
Yeah mang....where's Boba Fett when we need him!?!?
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] SamuriHL:
LMAO! This is not the root you are looking for....move along. :D
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] MedleHed:
Again, just pointing out the obvious that NC2 is the leak and NC5 is the OTA does not answer the question. But... If one were to search they might find an answer.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] mike.s:
I know, I know! And I haven't seen the question answered.

The difference between NC2 and NC5 is 3.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] MedleHed:
I answered it! They added 3 apps and moved a menu. So yeah, the difference is 3.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] Redflea:
I'm lucky enough to have the MDK bootloader, so I've loaded Jkruze's rooted NC5 ROM from here.

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=2721118
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] Ryitt:
Apologies if this has been mentioned before here, or is in another topic....But has anyone noticed a severe battery issue since the upgrade? I currently have developer options turned on so that window animations are off, power saving mode on, all "smart features" disabled, location off, BT off, wifi as needed, brightness low, battery doctor and greenify killing apps regularly, and yet I still have massive draining problems.

In fact, I am having a hard time even making it a full day on a charge. Before the update, I could make it the whole day of texting / twitter / chromecast streaming / brief news reading and still have about 40-50% battery after about 19 hours. Now, Im looking at 10% doing the same thing, and slam through the first 15% off the charger in about an hour or two of light to no usage. Has anyone else had this problem, or know of a remedy?
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] dtomlin:
I just noticed that I am online stalking Surge like a psychotic ex girlfriend. Lol. I guess I'm anticipating his pre rooted NC5 more than I noticed.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] tmushy:
Im hoping once they root the s5, the same method will be used to root the s4. Lets admit it, they are pretty much the same damn phone
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] SamuriHL:
That's my thought, as well. The build should be pretty darn close if not identical. But 4.4.2 is going to make it tough to root. Samsung and Google both increased the security. If a root exploit is found, it's likely going to take some time. Maybe something brilliant like safe root will be found that works on a whole Android version. That would be sweet.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] rslu2:
Do those evil virus implanting chaps at mgyun have a root solution yet?
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] rushless:
Sammy and VZW went the extra mile with the S5 as far as defending against "evil" modders. Will be interesting if is rooted and how complex it might be.

It has been almost a year and still no result for the S4 worth unlock, in spite of the focus and effort.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] sparkk:
Pure curiosity

I have no experience with finding exploits or any other magical feats, but I was wondering how this all works. I tried to search for the info but the actual process to find exploits was lacking. Could you explain a little or point me in the right place? Also, how could I get get a look at bootloader etc. files? Is it something that I can pull from the phone or whatever? Thank for any help you can give.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] SamuriHL:
It's not some "weekend project". The people that do it are extremely good at what they do. And what they do is rip apart kernel code looking for permission escalation exploits. Tools like IDA Pro make it a lot "easier" but it's extremely difficult and tedious work. Once a permission escalation exploit is found, then code has to be written to take advantage of it. That's what the root exploits are....they're pieces of code that execute in a specific way to escalate privs so that the system partition can be written to and the su binary pushed to it. It was difficult before, but, now things like SE Linux and KNOX make it even more difficult....preventing found escalation exploits from actually being used. I've been a software engineer professionally for 19 years and I can tell you this level of reverse engineering is well beyond my capabilities. Dan R is a professional in the field of kernel security. I don't know JCase's background but clearly he's got a good grasp of kernel security, as well. These guys literally spend hours/days/weeks pouring over code to find exploits. And it only gets harder as they're patched when found and measures taken to prevent exploiting them in the first place. I sincerely wish more people had an appreciation of what goes into finding and exploiting permission escalations for root. Maybe then people wouldn't be so hasty to upgrade and start asking "when is root going to be found" an hour later.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] decaturbob:
Too much to get into in this forum. ..

sent by safestrap enabled bajarom
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] Charlie115:
That right there was the most awesome informative answer I've seen on xda in a long time!!
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] jerrod22:
Is the keyboard freezing for any of you occasionaly, and won't go away, and if you press power button to turn screen off, your phone turns off?
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] Poofster:
only thing i had wrong was on my way home from work tonight i noticed i had no signal wifi or data..have wifi at at work...had to reboot phone to get it back then got seven text messages at the same time....some sent atleast 7 hrs earlier that never arrived ...weird thing was i received several emails in that 7 hours at work but no texts? but no keyboard problem
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] spjetrovic:
Wanted kitkat so i returned to stock MK2 took the KK update. Test drove kk for three days , wasn't impressed. There is a few bugs. something not right with the data/cell reception.keyboard and back button sometimes doesn't respond. So I returned to MK2.

Ask me how and I may tell;)