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[Galaxy S 5 General] frankgreimes:
Please watch this video and as crazy as it sounds it's easy to see the difference there http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=paMb_cgVkug with QHD you get all the advantages of the pentile matrix without the downsides because it's so sharp.

Erica - as usual- is doing a great job and I think she nailed it: " the s5 prime is everything the s5 should have been"

The snap Dragon 805 really shows it's power with QHD displays

On Samsung and LG devices battery life is a non issue because it's easy to carry 2 or 3 with you and that gets even the most demanding smartphone gamer through the day
[Galaxy S 5 General] lilmoe2002:
Nope, I want it to work as intended. And yes, that IS how technology works (read up on Haswell). In Exynos' case, I want my small cluster to do most of every-day tasks at a smooth and consistent rate, and I want my big cluster to handle more demanding tasks as fast and zippy as possible then race back to sleep. That's the whole point of big.LITTLE (regardless of implementation; HMP or cluster migration). ARM clearly says that's how it was intended to work on their website, and were disappointed at current/past implementations. Having the big cluster online for trivial tasks is ridiculous. Even the most demanding 3D games shouldn't need the big cluster 90% of the time because it's mostly about the GPU. Heck, Apple's GPU (running 640p!!) is just as fast as the same GPUs running 1080! (No, I'm absolutely not a fan of their products)

"But once your eyes get use to a higher resolution screen, there is no going back".

Your mileage may vary:

1) 1080 is NOT low. Going from 1440p back to 1080 on a 5" screen won't make a difference to most people.

2) Again, the 720p panel on the GS3 was already not optimum (PPI wise). If it was, going back wouldn't be as bad as you describe.

3) The only time I had the same experience as you is when I was fixing my dad's 480p GS2. Which was admittedly a huge leap back.

I respect your preferences, but your use case doesn't nearly represent the majority of all consumers. That's why we have custom ROMs and Kernels, so enthusiasts like ourselves can overclock/underclock these efficient chips to their needs. Technology has to cater for the majority, not the minority. I have an extra batteries in my pack, but I don't change them nearly as much as you do. Most users don't even buy an extra battery (I myself like interchangeable batteries mostly because they're easier to repair when damaged).

With all due respect, but to each their own.
[Galaxy S 5 General] cmd512:
I know about Haswell, I don't need to "read up" on it. Plus, you're missing the point: Is Haswell more battery efficient? Yes. Is that efficiency required? YES, because most Ultrabooks don't allow for interchangeable batteries nowadays.

Again, my viewpoint is what drives the technology MARKET. If the world of technology worked along your terms, all the microarchitectures before Haswell would have served zero purpose. Again, the only person arguing their niche viewpoint is you, the world of technology and the MARKET that drives it doesn't work even close to your myopic, techno-geek view.

NOTE: I certainly didn't "wait" around for Haswell on my desktop. I have a Sandy Bridge overclocked to over 4GHz simply because it's a damn desktop. On my Ultrabook with a power source that can't be swapped, I did.

As for eyes, "won't make a difference to most people." Tell me, are you quoting **** you read on the interwebs or by actual experience? For me, I don't care of the nonsense graphs, charts, what-have-yous that tell me what my eyes can or cannot detect. When I go from my S4 to my S3, it's painful. When I go from my ATIV Plus 9 Ultrabook with its ridiculous HiDPI resolution to my high end Dell monitor, it's painful. You can quote all the interweb sources you want, the resolution difference is noticeable once you go up.

And yes, to each their own. So, back to your original statement: I disagree, the 9500 SoC has absolutely no issues driving the 1080P screen paired with it. I get better battery life on my S4 than I did on my S3 for normal usage, which again, is more than I could ever ask for on a smartphone.

THIS. When you get used to the higher resolution, the lower one WILL be hard to go back to.

Even with that said, screen resolution isn't even in the top 3 of my requirements. Along the lines of your post, swappable batteries are an absolute MUST. It never ceases to crack me up when I'm in Asia on business, and I see these little kids with their iPhones with a GIANT portable charger / battery pack plugged into it while using the phone at the same time. Makes you wonder, WTF is the point of a slim, sexy smartphone if you gotta pair a massive battery pack with it at all times? :laugh:
[Galaxy S 5 General] frankgreimes:
Same here would never look at a phone without removable battery.yeah seeing people with all their slim, thin devices connected to these charters always makes me laugh screen on a bad day. I like my phones to be a bit heavier so they aren't as easy to drop and also easier to type on.

Resolution for me isn't a top priority either but if you are going high end I prefer to go full high end, because I'm not changing my phone every 2 years.

And this year it's really a two horse race between LG and Samsung
[Galaxy S 5 General] lilmoe2002:
We're not talking about desktops here, and I'm not the type of person to get an Ultrabook. I'm talking about the trend of CPUs and how stagnant the progress in performance has been. What companies like Intel is doing now instead is to concentrate most of their R&D on efficiency and power consumption. Mobile phones shouldn't be connected to the wall all the time, NOR should a person need 5 to 10 backup batteries!! We're already on 20nm and it's becoming really hard to go lower. You won't see a huge leap in performance after 64bit is introduced (even 64bit isn't a huge leap aside from specific accelerated instructions). We need to get the best performance AT optimum efficiency from these devices. I don't like to BURN my battery life just so I can feel "good" about the specs in my device.

You constantly say that resolution "isn't your top priority" but contradict yourself by saying that you can't go back to 720p. At least we're on the same page that 1080p is great and there's no need for higher on ~5"........ Again, the GS3's screen in PARTICULAR wasn't all that great (pixel density wise) compared to other RGB stripe panel or even diamond pentile 720p screens. The OneX for example had a GREAT screen. My point is that 720p (with decent pixel arrangement) for 4.3-4.8" screens is excellent. 1080p is great for 5-6" screens and isn't that different than higher res on a SMALL 5" SCREEN. Screen quality can dramatically improve without moving to higher res.

Not for me. I want my phone to hold a charge for a whole day with HEAVY usage AND have a removable battery so I won't have to worry about a charger on a weekend trip or when traveling. I'm sure most people agree. And no I'm not quoting anyone here. I want both, not either this or that. Simple.

I'm not interested in iPhones or any phone without a swappable battery for the matter (HTC One included). I stick with Samsung because they're about the only ones that deliver practical, power devices with decent support and software updates.
[Galaxy S 5 General] AndreiLux:
I think you have a bad picture of the state of the SoCs today, I told you over at AnandTech that you were wrong on your assumptions on power management ...
[Galaxy S 5 General] cmd512:
Again, myopic and nowhere close to what actually drives the industry or SoC development. It's great for you to have an opinion, it's another thing to spout it on here as if that's what the industry should adhere to. WON'T. EVER. HAPPEN. Even if microarchitectures get more efficient, they still need to drive higher spec'd peripherals. That's always how it's been, that's always how it will be. Deal with it.

(Feel free to start up mobile device company that uses only the latest and greatest internals to drive last gen peripherals, and let me know how that works out for you.)

And yes, resolution ISN'T my top priority. Replaceable batteries, a cutting edge CPU, 3GB RAM for me are higher on my list of must haves. Let me explain this to you in simple terms so it may be easier to understand: If a phone comes with stupidly high resolution but has a sub-par CPU, no interchangeable batteries, and only 2GB RAM, I would not even consider it at this point. Getting it yet?

"Heavy usage" is vague. My phone takes an entire day of heavy ENTERPRISE usage (which means I actually get **** done that equates to me getting paid) and still has around 40% of juice at the end of the day. If I play high end 3D games on the damn thing however, it won't happen. Stop being vague, the sweeping comments you're making have no merit otherwise.
[Galaxy S 5 General] lilmoe2002:
Thanks for the feedback on AT and XDA (though I do have lots of reservations on AT's way of presenting benchmarks and battery life tests and how everyone there is accepting them). I really appreciate your work (and your code). I was replying (in detail) to someone there who thought that Cyclone had better power dynamic range than a set of small and big clusters. My point about the Exynos 542x is one of many, and isn't my major gripe, software, peripherals, and the extra work these SoCs have to do is. I hope I'm wrong about the 542x and how Samsung implemented their code, but I'd love to see that in actual products, not promises by Samsung, and more demands for higher meaningless specs from its users. (Faster, more efficient SoC's are a good thing, 2400ppi like one there demanded is NOT).

I am (and lots of others) are trying our best in multiple sites to open the eyes of enthusiasts and ask them to stop asking OEMs to upgrade components in places where the returns are nothing but diminishing, and increase their efforts more on things that actually matter and sell.

Thanks again.
[Galaxy S 5 General] cmd512:
Uh, you got it backwards. Here's a hint: There's this little thing called "time-to-market." Whoever gets their product to market first with a new feature sells more. It's marketable, it's new, it's fresh. Everyone else is in catch-up mode. That's always how it's been, that's always how it will be.

Sometimes, the first to market's implementation isn't the best and the second one can then have time to fine-tune the feature. But, no one's ever rolled a feature back 3 years in an effort to market more battery life. Hell, look at HTC's big gamble on "less megapixels," hasn't exactly done what they had hoped for.

Again, I like your enthusiasm, but you're way off base and don't have a clue on how the technology industry works. Frankly, Samsung / LG / Apple could give a **** about what you, me, or any other "enthusiasts" think, all we can hope for is that we don't get stuck again in the S3 situation again where the system was literally crippled because of a major hardware shortcoming.

---------- Post added at 12:09 PM ---------- Previous post was at 12:00 PM ----------

Onto more relevant news: http://www.gsmarena.com/exynos_5433powered_samsung_galaxy_note_4_benchmarked-news-9406.php
[Galaxy S 5 General] lilmoe2002:
Sorry, but that IS your opinion. This is how "underdogs" compete, but best selling products do NOT have the latest and BEST in all specs. They're products that have "great" specs for their intended purpose, work efficiently and reliably, and have good resale value. That is a FACT. Consumers DO have a say in the electronics market. Samsung are reconsidering their design because of all the criticism they're getting from all over. I believe Samsung has similar brand loyalty and recognition as Apple now, they can "get away" with products that have my "stupid idea" of performance and efficiency, it would actually benefit them more in the longer run. Products like these will have a better retail life-span and contribute positively to the image of their products, especially that GREAT specs are cheaply available and are miles better than we had 2 years ago.

Thanks for the insult, but that wasn't my point, nor am I arguing against it. I don't mind the best peripherals as long as they don't forcibly compromise my battery life (among other things), or if I have the option of disabling them, especially when all they provide is diminishing returns.

I have the same phone as you do (probably the same kernel?). Our comparison should be very close (except for the carrier). I use it for lots of TeamViewer and Remote Desktop for support for my clients when I'm traveling or driving. Battery drains in 1% every ~2 minutes on 3G. When I'm browsing the web waiting for a meeting or at the airport, it drops even faster than that (and gets hot obviously). It pinches me that my very same device can do better than that if the peripherals were different. I can always buy another product, but I really like the Galaxy S series and I don't want to change, and sometimes you can't cut an important conference call, support session, or even a browsing session to replace your battery. If it works for you, good. But please don't generalize the entire population, nor your idea of the industry....

I'm sure if you get used to a device with great specs and that lasts days on a single battery charge, it'll be much harder to get back to those 5 hour battery life devices. More so than going back to a 720p screen.

Please keep it calm and clean when you reply. I really appreciate that you're spending your valuable time in replying. But if I'm getting on your nerves, please feel free to ignore my stupid opinion.

Thanks again.
[Galaxy S 5 General] cmd512:
Underdogs don't define the technology landscape. Your niche techno-phobe wishes will fall on deaf ears, even if they make that far. Face it, you're wishes / opinions don't align with any real world consumer technology deployment in the mobile space, you can keep whining and *****ing all you want, but it won't change that fact.

And no, Samsung has nowhere the brand loyalty that Apple has, resale values alone will tell you that much.

You really like spouting a whole bunch of stuff that has no real world data to back it up, don't you? I'm all for opinions, but yours are more along the lines of entertainment than anything else as they're based in complete fantasy.

As for battery life on the S4, I'm not going into the granularities of battery life as there are plenty of threads for that. I'll make the same statement I made before (which you conveniently ignored): I get FAR better battery life on my S4 with its 1080P screen than my S3 in all aspects.
[Galaxy S 5 General] zujko:
http://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_galaxy_alpha-review-1118p5.php
[Galaxy S 5 General] qxps:
Nope, not buggy in the way you imply. They are nice for daily phones, like the google edition roms. Better minimal alternative over bloatware. Buggy and incomplete are aosp releases on exynos socs over the same timeframe as qualcomm variants.

Maybe. Compared to the amount of development we had back on the 9100 for a while, it has decreased quite a bit for exynos socs. It will keep decreasing, like it has been for the 9300 and 9500. And when compared to stability and as you said release speed, qcom models have the upperhand in numbers and time. Exynos will always be the trouble child for development.
[Galaxy S 5 General] JoeFCaputo113:
This looks to really b happening guys! http://au.ibtimes.com/articles/5429...-release-date-specs-features.htm#.UyCvM_ldXT4
[Galaxy S 5 General] degast:
Any valid source on that article?
[Galaxy S 5 General] sohebq:
http://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_ceo_denies_a_premium_galaxy_s5_is_in_the_works-news-8033.php

There you go, nothing is coming. Haha I knew it.

Sent from Note 3 (The beauty & beast)
[Galaxy S 5 General] frankgreimes:
Instead of acting like I knew it all what did people expect him to say? Yeah sure we are working on more premium lines BEFORE even launching their s5? That would be a very stupid business decision..

If there isn't one so be it but I'll be waiting for the official event the worst thing to happen, would be cheaper s4 advanced or the new Blackberry q20 coming out =)
[Galaxy S 5 General] Sensamic:
Yeah. I never believed that rumor.
[Galaxy S 5 General] system.img:
Of course J K Shin would never admit the existence of a premium S5 as it would impact the sales of the original S5 because people will be waiting for the premium one instead.

Maybe they are working on another premium lineup(Galaxy F). Samsung's SVP mentioned about a premium lineup in the recent annual shareholders meeting.
[Galaxy S 5 General] karmuh:
As I've been saying: Anyone who thought another model was in the works and planned for release a month after the S5 launched only set themselves up for disappointment anyways. In the past few months, I've seen rumors saying 3 different S5 models were in the works and planned for release shortly after April...S5 Prime, S5 Neo, and S5 mini...then of course, the Galaxy F line. I'm sure there are more that I just haven't heard of.

Seriously, some of you guys really need to stop listening to these rumors and actually wait until some sort of proof is there to back it up. I figured most of you would have learned from the S5 rumors, but I guess not. Sorry to say, but a "premium" S5 model is not going to happen.
[Galaxy S 5 General] :
Actually the Neo (cheap version) and Mini (small version) are quite reliable rumours since Samsung has done cheaper and mini versions of all the previous Galaxy S phones. But no, a premium model - definitely not coming. The S5 is already 700 euros, what would they charge for a premium S5? 950 euros? Would you pay 1300 US dollars for a smartphone?
[Galaxy S 5 General] sohebq:
Yup that is the big question man. Samsung has the technology, they can make flexible screen phone and metal phone right now but instead they rely on plastic because of price. Samsung wants to go deep in every market and they can't do it but keeping the price high. Price is 1 factor too for diverting crapple users to Samsung.

Sent from Note 3 (The beauty & beast)
[Galaxy S 5 General] Hellscythe:
Hmm, so the Galaxy S4 launched with a Snapdragon 600 and later on Snapdragon 800 versions were released for Korea.

Does that mean he is denying something like that happening with the S5?
[Galaxy S 5 General] :
Not entirely denying no, an improved version will probably happen eventually. But not yet, not until the S5 sales start declining.
[Galaxy S 5 General] degast:
Don't really see this happening. The GS4 was released with the Snapdragon 600 while other phone already sported the Snapdragon 800. Right now the Snapdragon 801 is in one device only, the GS5. Of Course other phones will come out soon, but right now GS5 is the only one with the 2.5GHz-pumped-up edition. Snapdragon 805 will be Note 4 probably. Last year the Snapdragon 600 in the GS4 was already outdated.
[Galaxy S 5 General] :
Very true. I do remember us getting an improved S4 last fall through. Or maybe it was just the 4G version - could just be my memory :)
[Galaxy S 5 General] degast:
That's right, Samsung released an Exynos variants in South-Korea and China and later Snapdragon 800 variants in South-Korea and some other countries. I'm from Belgium and here I can only buy the Snapdragon 600 only.
[Galaxy S 5 General] Hellscythe:
The Exynos versions for South Korea were the special ones that also had LTE right?
[Galaxy S 5 General] degast:
Right
[Galaxy S 5 General] autophone:
I believe they will release another high end galaxy line up on top of the S and Note line ups. my reasons are that they released a somewhat "okay" quality device with the GS5 and they also had a rather "modest" launch event during MWC. 2K screen from samsung couldn't come any sooner as all other manufacturers are releasing one. I think it's time for samsung to have another flagship line and degrade the S line, just like desire brand from HTC. Millions of samsung fanboys will still buy the S line because it's the Galaxy S line although there's a higher end flagship so why not take that chance.
[Galaxy S 5 General] degast:
Because it's an illogical step for Samsung to release a 'new' line of devices so soon after the release of the latest S-device.
[Galaxy S 5 General] frankgreimes:
No it's the exact same opposite think about it, their modest S5 will sell millions = $$$$ so then Apple, HTC, Sony are all coming out with their devices but none of them features 2k - if needed or not is a another discussion - octacore, 4gig ram...you name it that would be the perfect storm and Samsung would for sure steal the show from all of them.

And I like I said even if it doesn't happen there is no downside in waiting, I want rooted devices with CMs so the worst thing happening will be a pricedrop and a more customizable phone not toooo bad if you ask me.
[Galaxy S 5 General] D33KK:
Hope not

I hope the don't release the Galaxy F

I'm gonna pick up the GS5 on release date so if they were to announce a better model in a month or two after DENYING that they are making a premium version I would definitely sell the GS5 and avoid Samsung like the plague.
[Galaxy S 5 General] Hellscythe:
Yep, I agree with you.

releasing another flagship shortly after another one is stupid imo.

(Sony user)
[Galaxy S 5 General] Pako7:
I do not think that samsung will consult with you produce premium or not :cool:

imho - if sales sgs5 be bad, it is possible to release a premium
[Galaxy S 5 General] RCJ89:
tell that to sony. Especially with the z2 situation its not arriving on a wide scale in the uk until may and you know in september the z3 is coming out.

what more is right now at carphone warehouse xperia z is 480, z1 is 520 and z2 is 550. How many people are really going to choose z1 over z2 with that minimal price difference.
[Galaxy S 5 General] Hellscythe:
I doubt Sony will really give a damn even if maybe a few hundred people tell them that lol.

I will do my part and no longer buy Sony handsets.
[Galaxy S 5 General] RCJ89:
I agree with this. Obviously there will always be something better that comes out but atleast give your customers time to enjoy tgeir phone for a while. This 6 month cycle is a joke. Sounds like they have alpt of spare money imo.
[Galaxy S 5 General] Hellscythe:
Yeah, it really is a kick in the guts when your shiny new flagship device is at the bottom of their flagship priority list in the blink of an eye.
[Galaxy S 5 General] JoeFCaputo113:
More fuel to the fire http://www.kpopstarz.com/articles/87375/20140410/samsung-galaxy-f-rumors.htm
[Galaxy S 5 General] da.trute:
i'll be fuming if they bring a metal S5 out, this year when the quite openly denied it.
[Galaxy S 5 General] Pako7:
this leak has been.. say that this is an early prototype sgs5
[Galaxy S 5 General] leoaudio13:
I foumd Z2 screen is ugly with the big gap b/w bezel and lcd itself :| thats why the Z2 was never a choice for me although i prefer Sony sound to Samsung sound
[Galaxy S 5 General] leoaudio13:
SS CEO must have love to squeeze his own balls if he approved another F family next month. Imo
[Galaxy S 5 General] jagrave:
Is this true? If so, you should post some pictures.
[Galaxy S 5 General] system.img:
Did it have a removable back? Does it still look like the original GS5? :D

Edit: I can't make out if you're serious.
[Galaxy S 5 General] leoaudio13:
Imo, sammy will make the current S5 will be the last in the Galaxy family then they will introduce the F galaxy as a new generation in replacement for S line. That makes more sense
[Galaxy S 5 General] system.img:
I think they would still want to make plastic flagships for easy manufacturing.

They cannot manufacture as many metal phones as the current plastic Galaxy S phones.

I think Galaxy F will be a seperate lineup.
[Galaxy S 5 General] jagrave:
So I guess now the question is to wait, or go ahead with the S5. I do have the S5 preordered b/c I have a huge crack in my screen. I was going to wait until that happened. :( lol
[Galaxy S 5 General] RCJ89:
Do you mean loud speaker or headphones,

as i always find both on sony phones suck for volume

i know this time z2 has stereo speakers but i dont know about headphone volume
[Galaxy S 5 General] degast:
Yes, I see what you did there.