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[Galaxy S 5 General] BoneXDA:
How Samsung can further improve ISOCELL camera

ISOCELL proved to be an important step forward in responsiveness, color accuracy and HDR modes to deliver proper flagship photography, but there's always room for improvements, here are my thoughts:

Sensor level: easiest way to capture more light is to increase sensor area, and while the S5 stepped up from 1/3.06" to 1/2.6", Samsung could still go reasonable larger, the Xperia Z1/Z2 packs a 1/2.3" sensor in a relatively thin body, so that's doable. If Samsung gave up the pixel wars, 16MP or even 13MP on a larger sensor would increase sensor pixel size to deal better with noise. The weakest point of ISOCELL is the loss of details at higher ISO, over ISO1000, especially at the maximum of ISO2000, there's just too much softness. Improved sensitivity could improve details dramatically, I wouldn't mind usable ISO3200 and ISO6400 options for shorter shutter to capture movement either.

Faster lens with wider angle of view: the S5's lens actually has a larger FOV over the S4/N3, but since it packs a 16:9 sensor over the old 4:3, things are tighter at top and bottom. An F2.0 lens with about the Lumia 1020's angle of view would be perfect for most regular situations.

Dual LED flash and LED for selfies: seriously, what's with no flash for the front facing camera? Doesn't make sense. And while the LED on the back of the S5 is quite strong and Xenon might be too much to ask, a dual-LED system for better tonal accuracy could help situations that require flash. Front facing camera could also jump to 5MP, then again, selfies are a boom, and companies are slow to react

Optical image stabilization: let's fact it, it's the key component missing from the S5. To stabilize low light shots for longer shutter and eliminate handshake during video recording, OIS just comes handy. I'm positive we'll get it eventually, but hoping for sooner rather than later

Shutter speed control: oddly missing from most mobile apps is the choice to control shutter manually, our choice from 1/5000 to 8s would give excellent opportunities to play around with shutter speeds. Do away with the 1/15s limit as well, Samsung! Control for all ISO values should be there too.

RAW format: to get unprocessed captures is a something extra for serious snappers, and Google has long been teasing us with the fitting API, yet we haven't got anything like it, no RAW option provided by Samsung either.

Random ideas: gestures for snap? Like nodding head to shoot and eliminate tap-shake. RGB LED at the back? SW can recognize faces, so if doing a selfie with the back camera, a red or green light could note us when all faces are in the field of view. Background de-focus for video? Wind cutting option? Draw on screen to open camera? Fibonacci spiral for composition? Brightness control for video?

How would YOU improve the ISOCELL camera, within reasonable limits?
[Galaxy S 5 General] Pako7:
BoneXDA - you want so much and it's ideal - it will not in the foreseeable samsung_future :D I think most demanded wishes - sensor_1/*" + OIS + RAW

I think that shutter speed can try do patch but get RAW_stream with help patching is impossible.. it's algo located in cam_fw
[Galaxy S 5 General] faremoney:
Hi guys, this is my photographic review of the Galaxy S5

it's in italian, but i think you can still enjoy the photos :)

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[Galaxy S 5 General] Gassity:
Well, the only way how the camera could be improved for now, is softwarely by the hands of XDA developers.
[Galaxy S 5 General] el7145:
Anyone got any tips for taking photos indoors?

This phone takes amazing photos outside, but indoors it seems horrible even with plenty of daylight, the majority of photos come out blurry :(
[Galaxy S 5 General] Icecubed17:
THAT!!!
[Galaxy S 5 General] brazcub:
Went hiking today.
[Galaxy S 5 General] degast:
You can say "shoot" to take a picture right now with the S5.
[Galaxy S 5 General] BoneXDA:
Samsung reveals Galaxy K Zoom - does it pack a 20.7MP ISOCELL sensor?

The Samsung Galaxy K Zoom is official, a 20.7" camera smartphone with optical image stabilization and 10x optical zoom (4.4 - 44mm focal length). Because it has the same 1.12 micron pixels and an 1/2.3" sensor size, and Samsung announced the 16MP and 20MP ISOCELL sensors 2 months ago (never saying which devices would get 'em), it's reasonable to expect the KZ packing the 20MP ISOCELL. Missing from the spec sheet however is 4k recording, which is a pity, although 1080p/60 combined with OIS should give a smooth enough video, the Exynos 5 Hexa and TouchWiz running KitKat a smooth enough performance, and the 4.8" 720p AMOLED screen a nice enough display for composing images. 2GB of RAM, 8GB of NAND & MicroSD slot, 2430mAh battery (ehh), about what you'd expect. Looks quite okay actually.

True. And nodding or the like could do a silent snap. Why not?

As far as shooting indoors, the regular tips and tricks apply, which I put in the first post. If results are blurry due to handshake, voice command or shooting a burst can eliminate it, plus LED flash or higher ISO will result in shorter shutter. If too high ISO the problem, stability mode or lower ISO with flash can help.

Using the flash is recommended anyway in okay light conditions too, even in daylight outside depending on the scene, like photographing ppl. who are not ideally lit by the Sun and background is brighter.
[Galaxy S 5 General] msavic6:
Could the Galaxy K be possibly packing the same sensor that is used in the Sony Xperia Z2? 20.7MP, 1/2.3" sensor size sounds awfully familiar.
[Galaxy S 5 General] CLARiiON:
1/2.3-inch sounds familiar because it's is common for PnS cameras.

Your cheap point-n-shoot camera use this sensor size in most cases.
[Galaxy S 5 General] tdrussell:
20140426_121145 by Mechatricity, on Flickr

20140426_121158 by Mechatricity, on Flickr20140426_121015 by Mechatricity, on Flickr20140426_121052_lzn by Mechatricity, on Flickr

This was an interesting scene to shoot. I'm conflicted over which i like better, the HDR or non HDR images. It's easy to tell which is which - the darker images are non-HDR. I turned on HDR because i was hoping to decrease the chance of blown out whites on the car, but looking at them later, from an artistic perspective i like the non HDR better. HDR also seems to add, or amplify, some artifacts or oversharpening on the plants down the edges of the path.
[Galaxy S 5 General] ozzyita:
My dog rocky

Inviato dal mio SM-G900F utilizzando Tapatalk
[Galaxy S 5 General] barondebxl:
Wow, very sharp picture.
[Galaxy S 5 General] Ave666:
Seem my camera can't focus moving object. It's always turn blurred picture.

How do you setup your camera for moving object?
[Galaxy S 5 General] andymihail:
Last year with S4 Samsung used different cameras for i9500 and i9505, the Octa-core Exynos version having a better one with Exmor Rs, while i9505 had an inferior version. My question is if this would be the case with S5 as well, can we be really sure there is no difference in camera sensors between G900F and the G900H? Is G900F really having Isocell technology? I need to ask this because Samsung is very often found to be advertising features that are only available on some versions of their products.
[Galaxy S 5 General] simacca:
Surely there must be a way of finding out our camera modules.
[Galaxy S 5 General] luigi311:
Not sure if this will work on a Samsung device but on my M7 I can check the sensor by going to /sys/android_camera/sensor it's a normal file but if u open it as a text it give u information on the sensor. My M7 after sensor swap now has a "ov ov4688 4M" according to the file.
[Galaxy S 5 General] simacca:
Cannot find it on mine :(
[Galaxy S 5 General] luigi311:
I guess it doesn't exist on Samsung device or it's located in a different place.
[Galaxy S 5 General] socalwrx:
Couple shots From this week's nice weather
[Galaxy S 5 General] BoneXDA:
Because there's no 16MP 16:9 sensor available at Sony's with phase-detection auto-focus, I'm pretty sure all units are equipped with Samsung sensors, but since I can't confirm that all version have ISOCELL (or the same lens), I'm also interested to hear evidence from the software.

BTW, Sammy never advertises their actual camera tech, spec sheet only said 13MP CMOS sensor last year not Exmor R or RS, nor do they say much about this year's snapper.
[Galaxy S 5 General] rulala:
SM-G900I use LSI camera sensor .
[Galaxy S 5 General] simacca:
Is this an app you used to find out? If so, where can I find it, as I looked on play store with no luck.
[Galaxy S 5 General] Pako7:
All SM-G900* use LSI sensor

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stock phone - service code *#34971539#
[Galaxy S 5 General] simacca:
This is mine.
[Galaxy S 5 General] andymihail:
Is there any way S5 could shoot raw? I was just comparing my S5 to One Plus One using Versus app and found out that One Plus can shoot raw and I'm just thinking this could probably be achieved trough software on S5 too. But how?
[Galaxy S 5 General] BoneXDA:
Currently, no, there is no way to shoot in RAW.
[Galaxy S 5 General] JoeFCaputo113:
What are your guys' settings/tricks to getting good quality (non grainy) low light pictures?? TIA!
[Galaxy S 5 General] noideaforusername:
1. Really dark places - Use flashlight.

2. Otherwise - Use stabilization and try hold still while taking the pic.
[Galaxy S 5 General] sommesepino:
the low-light shoots are not goods ,using the stabiliziation too!!!!!there's an impressive difference between the sunlight and the lowlight shoots -.-
[Galaxy S 5 General] Mithrandir007:
I've actually been impressed by the low light shots compared to the S4.

I could quite easily do blur-free shots with little noise in very low light (the picture looked brighter than the actual setting).

Of course, it's still not the strong suit of the camera, but at least I now take some decent pictures in low light instead of not even trying ;)

Another thing that really impressed me is the video camera zoom !

Since the zoom is on the sensor level now, you don't lose quality when zooming in Full HD, and it can actually do some amazing macro movies.

The focus + zoom allow you to film a bee that will take more than the whole screen with amazing sharpness.

I tried with my dedicated Full HD Sony camera, and while the zoom can of course go even further, it's not able to focus on objects at that zoom level (to have a similar macro), not even close.
[Galaxy S 5 General] UXELLR:
Wish they could have given it two cameras at the back. Two equally sized sensors, but one with fewer megapixels like in the HTC one, that could be used to capture night shots with less blur. Dayshots seems already fantastic in s5.
[Galaxy S 5 General] astoncheah:
low light - HDR (more noises)
[Galaxy S 5 General] radycool:
Asus PixelMaster technology

Asus ZenFone 6 with PixelMaster technology can take pretty impressive low light pictures by downsizing the MegaPixel (MP).

I think it is a software based. Perhaps, somebody can port this to other phones to create better low light pictures.

You can view the review at here
[Galaxy S 5 General] BoneXDA:
I agree, it's a software thing. At the end of the day, to capture more low light details, the camera simply has to use longer shutter, and the S5 maxing it out at 1/17s is not gonna cut it. The Oppo Find 7 can go as long as

32 seconds

, so no surprise that it's long exposure shots with low ISO come back quite superb. Of course these require a tripod or stand and a completely still subject, but hey, it's an option oddly missing from the many Samsung camera modes, and easier to make then writing my camera review. C'mon Samsung, I mean really. Give us long exposure options!

Oppo Find 7a at ISO80, 4s, from GSM Arena (click on image)

Source: http://www.gsmarena.com/oppo_find_7a-review-1073p8.php
[Galaxy S 5 General] sommesepino:
why there's not this option for all the android phones???? -.-

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Goog comparison.....could you also report a comparison between stability mode on and off in low-light pictures????thanks!!!!!
[Galaxy S 5 General] devilsdouble:
How is the Macro on the S5? With S4 I could never reach close to subject! Is there any dedicated Macro mode in S5 now?
[Galaxy S 5 General] Mithrandir007:
There is no dedicated macro mode, but I find the macro pictures taken by the S5 great, you can get quite close to the subject.

With macro videos, you can get extreme close ups of the subject too :)
[Galaxy S 5 General] ibinsad82:
so we need in galaxy s5 longer shutter like Oppo Find 7a

and

PixelMaster technology like Asus ZenFone 6

is it possible to implement into a rom ?

Or maybe hope in galaxy note 4 with OIS and few optimizations like these..
[Galaxy S 5 General] Gizmo Wishlist:
Them pictures look fantastic!
[Galaxy S 5 General] shem2409:
Camera comparison between Sony Xperia Z2, HTC One M8 and Samsung Galaxy S5 with detailed analysis of a selection of shots taken with each one, sample videos and a short tour of the camera interface of each device.

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Link to pictures in original sizes:

https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0BwNTKFeHypSqaXliOXhKUWJab3M&usp=sharing
[Galaxy S 5 General] Xxul:
The camera and HDR mode are awesome. For my needs wants and desires the best I can get on a phone

https://www.dropbox.com/s/yjjwsys7h6oqape/20140508_190018.jpg
[Galaxy S 5 General] StickyGeko:
Went for a ride earlier....took some pics along the way.... The camera struggled on the canal.... had to swap to hdr. What do you think
[Galaxy S 5 General] nudawa:
Took a funny sample pic myself today. The upclose pic is cropped from the shot.
[Galaxy S 5 General] noideaforusername:
Lol, you caught them in the act :p
[Galaxy S 5 General] BoneXDA:
Porn is allowed on XDA???
[Galaxy S 5 General] sonyfan12:
BSI is dead. Ascend P7 (Sony IMX 214, last sony sensor with "improved colors") it proved.

It is hoped that this technology samsung share to others

http://www.phonearena.com/reviews/C...G2-iPhone-5s-HTC-One-M8-Sony-Xperia-Z1_id3694

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xP1QR5pFtrQ
[Galaxy S 5 General] dandroid13:
Just noticed this here! If I shake the phone it sounds like there's something loose. But it only happens when not using the camera, if I open the camera app the sound disappears.

Can anyone else test this?
[Galaxy S 5 General] msavic6:
I experience the same thing, from my research I have found that it is normal and is because of the auto focus on the camera. That's why when the camera is in use, the rattle disppears.
[Galaxy S 5 General] BoneXDA:
Both the IMX214 and Samsung's ISOCELL sensor uses backside-illumination pixel technology, as a matter of fact, all of the comparison devices.
[Galaxy S 5 General] sonyfan12:
Read about the isocell, watch video, isocell have better color and dynamic range. See all photos in comparison. See also here

eprice.com.tw/mobile/talk/124/4899661/1/rv/sony-xperia-z2-review/

eprice.com.tw/mobile/talk/124/4899662/1/rv/sony-xperia-z2-review/

4pda.ru/forum/index.php?showtopic=515584&view=findpost&p=30435226

and the others comparisons

Isocell not bsi
[Galaxy S 5 General] sonyfan12:
http://www.androidauthority.com/isocell-how-it-works-344628/

http://4pda.ru/forum/index.php?showtopic=515584&st=860#entry30435226
[Galaxy S 5 General] rulala:
are you "very sure" this time Samsung do it again?

Or just you think S5 will follow Note3 ???

WE know

SM-N900:

sensor - Sony IMX135,

manufacturer ISP - LSI

the module manufacturer - SEMCO

SM-N9005:

sensor - Sony IMX135,

manufacturer ISP - QUALCOMM,

the module manufacturer - GUMI

-----photo come from bluestaral@mobile01

Auto mode （stock camera）

Note3 SM-N900 Exynos 5420

5741kb

Note3 SM-N9005 snap 800

4780kb

HDR mode （stock camera）

Note3 SM-N900 Exynos 5420

5860kb

Note3 SM-N9005 snap 800

4701kb

The same photo Quality? N900 is better (more details) than N9005.

N900 also has bigger files.

So, Who can upload your SM-G900H "Oringinal" pic files ?

because Only "H" is using Exynos.

I don't need others version to compare . Just need "H"

Thanks !!
[Galaxy S 5 General] Pako7:
find H_picture in this thread from vietnam users
[Galaxy S 5 General] sonyfan12:
At isocell better detail, color, dynamic range. More colors. At bsi like some veil.

http://www.phonearena.com/reviews/Sony-Xperia-Z2-vs-Samsung-Galaxy-S5_id3699/page/3
[Galaxy S 5 General] heahmad:
so there is a difference in the sensor of 900F and 900G
[Galaxy S 5 General] BoneXDA:
You don't understand mate. ISOCELL technology refers to the method the pixels are separated during manufacturing. The sensor itself still uses BSI technology as far as metal wiring goes.

Sony IMX - has BSI wiring

UltraPixel - has BSI wiring

PureView - has BSI wiring

ISOCELL - has BSI wiring.

This is what happenes when someone starts spreading misinformation. There is no evidence I know of of different sensors, as far as I know, all S5 variants feature Samsung's 16MP ISOCELL sensor.
[Galaxy S 5 General] sonyfan12:
All blended in a heap.

Sony IMX is BSI sensor

UltraPixel is BSI sensor with absolutely nothing meaningful marketing word "UltraPixel" (less megapixels, the same sensor size)

PureView is BSI sensor with absolutely nothing meaningful marketing word "PureView" (just 3 times larger sensor)

ISOCELL is isocell sensor

http://www.androidauthority.com/isocell-how-it-works-344628/

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xP1QR5pFtrQ

http://www.phonearena.com/reviews/C...G2-iPhone-5s-HTC-One-M8-Sony-Xperia-Z1_id3694

http://www.eprice.com.tw/mobile/talk/124/4899661/1/rv/sony-xperia-z2-review/

http://www.eprice.com.tw/mobile/talk/124/4899662/1/rv/sony-xperia-z2-review/

http://4pda.ru/forum/index.php?showtopic=515584&st=860#entry30435226

http://www.phonearena.com/reviews/Sony-Xperia-Z2-vs-Samsung-Galaxy-S5_id3699/page/3
[Galaxy S 5 General] BoneXDA:
I don't get your point, or rather I don't think you get mine, but we are drifting off topic, so let's leave the Xperia Z2 and the BSI technologies for now. Do you have any S5 photos to share?
[Galaxy S 5 General] Giacos:
These are 8mpx cause are edited :fingers-crossed:
[Galaxy S 5 General] ozzyita:
Inviato dal mio SM-G900F utilizzando Tapatalk
[Galaxy S 5 General] vegetaleb:
Is it true that the S5 has a purple tint problem in low light?
[Galaxy S 5 General] gavinfabl:
Awesome photos!!!
[Galaxy S 5 General] msavic6:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/t7ay2t4x7v38rma/20140516_095744_002.jpg
[Galaxy S 5 General] simacca:
No it has a pink spot problem under certain lighting when snapping certain colours.

Since the latest update mine is hardly noticeable when it happens, which is very rare in my case.
[Galaxy S 5 General] littlegreenalien:
At the park
[Galaxy S 5 General] sonyfan12:
That you write nonsense. I answered all.
[Galaxy S 5 General] msavic6:
I'm pretty sure BoneXDA has a good idea of what he is talking about...

I suggest you research a bit more on BSI and sensor technology before you make ignorant statements towards factual information that is presented to you by an informed source.
[Galaxy S 5 General] sommesepino:
Any samples of low light with stabilization on after the update,please???? :)

Inviato dal mio magico lumia 920
[Galaxy S 5 General] sonyfan12:
Watch proofs
[Galaxy S 5 General] BoneXDA:
Random indoor shots, see full ones with exif via links

Sources, full size:

http://ph.news.yahoo.com/samsung-galaxy-s5-benchmark-results-images-4k-uhd-091114446.html

http://news.smartphone.bg/novini/video-i-snimki-napraveni-ot-kamerata-na-noviya-samsung-galaxy-s5/

http://hotdigitalnews.com/samsung-galaxy-s5-everything-you-need-to-know-faq/
[Galaxy S 5 General] dandroid13:
Sorry, I'm not sure if I understood that.

Enviado do meu Galaxy S4
[Galaxy S 5 General] Pako7:
camera SGS5 - best..

today - quality camera is good, tomorrow - i think even better because will be newer camera_fw..

now understand ? :)
[Galaxy S 5 General] dandroid13:
Ok, I thougth you were talking about the raw imaging function Google said that is coming to the Nexus 5. :p

EDIT: It's strange to see different software versions between these samples. :eek:
[Galaxy S 5 General] Burgscheinkerkdeiktraast:
Well, for me personally camera is huge aspect. I would throw Samsung away if Nokia were with Android.

I doubt they'd do same quality sensor as Nokia, because we had recently Galaxy Camera and it is rather fail than success.

I am waiting for deep camera review but I think now it is not too good. None of optical stabilization in 2014 completely throw it out of competition. I've seen Galaxy 5 videos - no, thank you. Shaking is not for me :P
[Galaxy S 5 General] BoneXDA:
I have some 100 purchased apps on Android and Windows Phone is still behind in apps... but if Nokia comes out with an even better PureView, all in a thinner lighter metal frame and a proper battery, I might jump ship. I can always have my Android stuff on some tablet, but for true cameraphone performance, Lumias are the only option. But for about 5-8MPs of effective detail, so far ISOCELL looks promising.
[Galaxy S 5 General] xeizo:
The amount of pixels is exactly the least interesting technical parameter of a good camera ....
[Galaxy S 5 General] msavic6:
While the Sony has 20.7 megapixels, at that full resolution the aspect ratio is only 4:3, the S5 in comparison is 16:9 at its full resolution of 16mp.

If you haven't used the Z1, the default mode is Auto in which the phone captures a 8MP image which is similar to what Nokia does with its Lumia 1020 where is takes a 40mp image and shrinks it to a smaller resolution while attempting to keep the detail in the image. If you want a full 20mp, you have to use manual mode. The problem is this doesn't work that well and in turn leads to very slow focusing and motion blur in images. Unless the Z2 does something differently, it will suffer the same fate as the Z1.

I'm not sure if Sony is keeping the camera hardware 100% unchanged with the Z2 but I have read countless reports of issues with the lens on the Z1 leading to soft images. The Z1 has a good sensor but its the other parts that really ruin the camera experience with it.
[Galaxy S 5 General] boodies:
The dynamic range on this thing is amazing. And on top of the rest of the awesome features. Can't wait to see what they got in stock for the next note.
[Galaxy S 5 General] BoneXDA:
The Z2 sensor and lens is the same as the Z1's (potential softness at certain parts of the image), but they introduced a dual-ISP system for faster and more accurate processing, we'll have to wait any see. 8MP is about right as far as quality resolution goes, Z1 results are too overprocessed at full 20. Samsung appears to be not going for sharpness at all, which is sensible, although even at 8MP the Xperia Z2 will have more details, but likely less color accuracy and dynamic range. I'm yet to decide which one is better for my needs, although of course I know Lumias do both best.

Taiwanese normal vs. Rich Tone (HDR) shots:

Source, full size: http://iqmore.tw/mwc-2014-samsung-galaxy-s5-software
[Galaxy S 5 General] msavic6:
How does the S5's sharpness and detail compare to the S4's 13mp shooter? The S4 is very sharp in bright light but the images completely deteriorate in sharpness and detail when the lights are dimmed. Im hoping the S5 does quite a bit better in low light than the S4 did since the S4 images were pretty terrible in low light.
[Galaxy S 5 General] gavinfabl:
The S5 looks good but none of the shots are taxing. Typical seen, people in a dim restaurant, moving around slightly. How does this photo come out? Not expecting miracles but it will be a guide. Also in non HDR mode , a shot with bright sun and shadows. to see how well the lens copes with these conditions. I am liking what I see at the moment though.
[Galaxy S 5 General] BoneXDA:
Compared to these pre-production samples the S4 clearly wins the detail battle, again, Sony's focus was on per pixel sharpness. Can't comment on low light, but the S5 appears to increase noise dramatically with ISO, which isn't good, but keeps much better color balance and better exposure than the S4, which is excellent. Best answer will be given with a nice camera comparison in about 30 days.