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[Galaxy S 5 General] TheEndHK:
They don't care it because infact there is almost no different. IMX240 is better at low light and ISOCell is better at day time, so they are just 50/50. LTE-A not many regional benefits from it and the only real improved thing is s805 but still in the same generation with s801 just a faster GPU.

But if you give it an OIS and it will be another story :D
[Galaxy S 5 General] jstoner:
Yes, not many would benefit from LTE+ speed at this point, but as far as the hardware is concerned, I think the G901F is one step ahead of the G900F. The chipset/GPU/CPU (clock) combo should give noticeable performance gain (to an experianced user at least). Benchmark scores partially confirm that too.

As for the camera, I m not sure that the split is 50/50, as the IMX240 is not bad under daylight either. If you look at some linked samples here, it's actually in par with the ISOCELL, and only seems to lack in depicting the grass (the IMX seems to suffer from 'crosstalk' in that area). Otherwise they are quite leveled out IMO. I m talking strictly video here. The G900F might be stronger in still imaging - I haven't quite looked into much detail on that, as I m only interested in video.
[Galaxy S 5 General] TheEndHK:
It's is just same and even more noticeably in photo mode so I said it is a 50/50. The ExmorRS sensor is easy to has problem in some low-contrast areas like grass(Apple handles that a bit better with Sony cmos) and it might be a tradeoff for tuning towards to it's excellent and extreme low light performance on this size of small sensor.
[Galaxy S 5 General] jstoner:
I was looking at this video. It's from the original S5 with the ISOCELL, and I ve got a query about it.

At approx 25secs, camera starts shooting towards trees/sky. This is when it starts to get 'dark'. Is that considered to be a 'low-light' scenario as such?

Facing towards the sky - and especially a cloudy sky - makes the phone lose focus and darken everything else in its path i.e. in this case the leaves from the trees - they become darker and darker as the phone starts facing the clouds. This sample is claimed to be shot without HDR. Wouldn't HDR brighten the leaves up and possibly capture a 'more reallistic' sky?

In such conditions, would the ISOCELL produce a brighter video compared to the IMX240 (which is known to behave better under low-light conditions). Or is my assumption on this particular area completely irrelevant to the HDR?
[Galaxy S 5 General] TheEndHK:
You need HDR to bright up the foreground, only HDR can display both sky and leaves. ISOCell would not make a brighter video, but it usually produce a more detailed leaves at outdoor.
[Galaxy S 5 General] jstoner:
So neither ISOCELL or Sony Exmor RS have any advantage in brightening up dark areas like this - it's only a question of whether HDR is ON or OFF, right?

Is that particular scenario considered as 'low-light' conditions? I mean, there is plenty of light on the scene, it's just that facing towards the sky makes things dark...

Cheers
[Galaxy S 5 General] sommesepino:
O. T : I've seen some videos about galaxy s6 and its pro mode but.....there's nothing about shutter speed and raw photo. I'm starting think only Google implemented new api 2 camera
[Galaxy S 5 General] TheEndHK:
Sensor type doesn't matter in this case because has enough light for all type of sensor. It's all about how bad of the auto exposure meter method(average/center/spot) implemented and it is one of the worst area on camera phone or compact camera, you'll need a decent DSLR to handle it if you want the auto works out to be good without HDR helps.

Your concept is right in some parts. In such case, lower the shutter speed should also improved the result(but sky may get over exposed while foreground could show out now) but usually night mode will also take photo at high shutter speed at day light(when it detects many light there and think you wrong picked the scene mode), night mode only will take photo with slow shutter in dark environment only. You need a manual shutter speed supported camera phone.
[Galaxy S 5 General] jstoner:
First of all, cheers for sharing your knowledge on the subject.

Let me highlight the fact that I am only concerned about the video recording capabilities of the two sensors. I initially tried to draw some conclusions earlier on this thread.

You say it rather has to do with the implemented auto exposure meter method (which understandably suffers in mobile phones vs DSLR). Unfornately, in order to be able to make a direct comparison off the two sensors, we need identical samples to draw conclusions from. And the only ones I managed to find is this (good light) and this (low light). Under low light, the IMX240 retains more detail - no question. Under good light, ISOCELL seems to retain more detail in most areas. Like in the grass (or the leaves of the previous sample as you mentioned). And it somehow manages to brighten up areas better compared to the ExmorRS. But again, some areas (like the plastic people) seem more blurry in the ISOCELL sample.

If I am not mistaken, under video recording, you don't have many options to fidle with e.g. lower shutter speed. Most things are set automatically. So, in our previous sample with the trees when the phone is facing up, both sensors would behave more less the same., right? I am not interested in capturing the sky - I am actually interested only in brightening up the foreground (leaves). Apart from HDR, is there any other option I could use to get better results. Would any of the two sensors have any advantage here (no matter how small...)
[Galaxy S 5 General] TheEndHK:
Speaking of the raw performance, ISOCell performs better at outdoor in many condition but IMX240 comes very closely too. The major different is in minor areas like leaves and grasses.

However, it only true for photo mode because the video encoder seems to be greatly improved quality both day and night on Note4. So, you could find out IMX240 always beat ISOCell even at day time.

You can shoot HDR Video to solve the problem but only available in 1080P.
[Galaxy S 5 General] jstoner:
So, you are basically saying that chosing the IMX240 over the ISOCELL - as far as video recording is concerned - is a no brainer.

My only concern on this claim is the assumption that the IMX240 found in the Note 4, produces exactly the same results as the one found in the G901F. Does it, really? The latter lacks OIS, but I am not taking this into account, as I am not recording hand-held (usually tripod). So it's not a factor.

Unfortunately I haven't been able to find any video samples from the G901F in the comparison tool, so we can't really confirm that it's excatly the same quality as in the Note 4 :(

It could be - that Samsung actually used the Plus version of the S5 as a guinea pig (as least as far as the camera is concerned) for the upcoming (at that time) Note 4....
[Galaxy S 5 General] TheEndHK:
No, I didn't say it's the OIS. I said exactly the H.264 video encoder and the video camera driver on Note4 is much better. And I think Samsung refused to implement it for S5 and force you to upgrade to S6 if you want that quality.

Samsung Galaxy S5 vs Galaxy Note 4 Camera Comparison Video & Picture in 4K UHD

[YOUTUBE]VYGRC5CEgXo[/YOUTUBE]

This is a 4K recording testing on S5/Note4 at day time. You can clearly spotted the Note4 blows away S5 outdoor in every aspect including all leaves and stuffs.

To my understanding, S805 on Galaxy S5 LTE-A is no better because the ISP should be same with S801.
[Galaxy S 5 General] jstoner:
That video indeed shows overall superiority of the IMX240 sensor on the Note 4. I still believe that part of it has to do with OIS, because I think that the Note, due to superior stability, seems to be able to lock on faster than the S5, resulting in better quality. If you noticed, at times when the phone is given more time to focus in the same area, quality is more less similar. With some better exposure from the Note perhaps!

Your argument on the ISP on the S805 vs S801 version of the S5 - is it confirmed? (if I understood correctly you are referring to the video encoder and the video camera driver that exists on the G900F vs G901F). The code

*#34971539#

shows camera firmware related info. Is there any other way to check if the ISP is identical on both variants of the S5?

If there are hardware-based differences on the ExmorRS module found on the Note 4 vs the G901F - then no much can be done. If the difference is software-based (e.g. encoders, drivers), then there might just be a small hint of hope that Samsung might decide to improve the quality on the G901F in a forthcoming firmware update. If not, the conclusion is that - at least as far as the camera is concerned - there is no improvement over the ISOCELL version of the standard S5. In fact, it might be even worse.
[Galaxy S 5 General] TheEndHK:
Stability will help on focus and decreases ghost effect but not the whole video is walking fast around. However, in all situation(both fast or slow) only shown out how good of the Note4 in video quality. Starting at 5:27 begins to do screen capture and comparison, I don't think it's all count to the OIS helping. If you tell me the S5 focus is that super suck then probably it would be very bad when taking photo too.

When they both focus on the same object for a given time, yet it may look just same at 1:1 size but when you zoom in both images(starting at 5:27) you do notice Note4 is much better in details or video compression artifact.

s805 is mainly a GPU upgrade on handling 2K resolution screen, it has little upgrade on ISP as well but I think mainly on focus performance or other function like H.265 decoding. Video encoder mostly is software based.
[Galaxy S 5 General] jstoner:
Yes, the Note 4 did managed to grab a lot more detail - especially in long range objects - which seemed almost blurred out in the S5 sample.

I believe that Samsung saw more potential in the SonyExmor sensor, rather than it's own IsoCell implementation. So, leaving the Note 4 out of the equation - If you were to chose between the G900F or the G901F, with the only focus on video recording - which one would you go for? Is the G901F at least as good as the IsoCell in the G900F (e.g. quality, low-light etc)?
[Galaxy S 5 General] TheEndHK:
I'll say on average IMX240 is better. Qualcomm related ISP is just too bad even on s805, it still can't beat Exynos ISP. Go get a Exynos based S5 if you want the fastest focus speed and better after-processing on balance about sharpness/denoise.

The only problem on Exynos is lack of support on XDA, so there are only a few custom kernels to flash and probably not as many custom roms.
[Galaxy S 5 General] jstoner:
Are you referring to this? The 'octa-core' version of the S5? (G900H). This doesn't have IMX240 - it's ISOCell... Also, from what I ve heard the Mali GPU is inferior to the Adreno found in the G900F/G901F, but if the video recording quality is superior to the other S5's, I m guessing its a fair tradeoff.

[edit] ...actually it's not - no LTE support for the G900H, so that's out of the question. I mean no 4G in 2015? That hurts a bit. So it's probably either the G900F or the G901F. Or the G906S (if it offers any better quality in video recording - I don't care about the screen). If I remember, the camera on the G906S is the same IMX found in the G901F (not sure about the ISP). Specs here are incorrect...

I was between choosing the G900F and the G901F (both European versions). Didn't know there were so many differences between the same base model S5 :(

I am not interested in custom ROMS at all...
[Galaxy S 5 General] TheEndHK:
I'm not sure but after dig out some information on Google, it looks like there are two variables of European S5 LTE-A(SM-G901F), one with s805 and the other one with Exynos 5430 on-board Intel LTE modem supporting all Europe 4G band. I'm not sure if the Exynos model is released or cancelled.

Mali is slower than Adreno but Adreno GPU comes with an over-heating issue(805 performs better this time but it comes again at 810) so after long playing 3D gaming indeed your FPS is slower/stutter than Mali(Adreno will hit a mhz drop to prevent overhot). In general usage, Mali 2D is slower too so the UI smoothness is a bit inferior than Adreno.

If you accept a slightly smaller screen(4.7" 720P) and no MicroSD and water resistant. Galaxy Alpha is also a good choice with Exynos 5430(S5 is 5422) and LTE support, it got 32GB storage and removable battery. The camera is exactly same with S5 but limited to 12MP on software level(have no ideas but it looks like shot at 16MP and resized to 12MP output). 5430 is almost identical to Note4 5433 but just 5433 got 64bit supporting and others should be more or less the same. Alpha is weak on battery capacity with only 1860mah but it got 2500mah battery backcover(limited to Black color of Galaxy Alpha model) on sales on Internet.

Yup, Exynos 5422/5430 focus performance is much better than s801/s805 and denoise/sharpen handling is also better both in photo/video mode. Furthermore, all Exynos platforms used Wolfson dac so the audio output is also a lot better than Qualcomm platform and no worse than Iphone.
[Galaxy S 5 General] jstoner:
Thanks for looking into that. The only S5 Plus (LTE) version I am aware of, is the G901F (805). Haven't ever heard of an Exynos version of it.

As for the Mali vs Adreno - just to mention - I don't play games at all. Just Internet browsing, viewing videos, things like that.

My reason of not considering the Alpha in first place, is because I definately need external card storage slot (32GBs are more than enough, but I need to swap cards). Water tolerant also (my N82 died because of a water accident and I don't plan going through that again...). Otherwise, I actually prefer a smaller screen. I don't want the phone to be bulky. As for the camera, it seems that despite having the same sensor as the S5, the drop in megapixels actually affects the quality. Have a look at the samples here

So at the moment, I am still 'stuck' with the G900F, G901F as my possible options. The G870F would be an option as well - but as far as I know, its got excatly the same camera (and ISP?) with the G900F. Only reason I didn't mention it, it's because its more pricy :(
[Galaxy S 5 General] TheEndHK:
There are some prototypes/engineering of G901F(Exynos) on net but final retail ver maybe got dropped.

Yup, they are all mixed. My advise is to wait til S6 Active out...lol...it should out within half year. I will go for S5 Exynos without LTE actually, because I think better camera and music is more important to me. If you like to go on net, then pick a s805 S5.
[Galaxy S 5 General] jstoner:
I would if I could, but I got no phone at the moment... I have to chose between the G900F, G901F or the G870F - and amongst those three - I guess you would go for the G901F too, right? I just wonder if those video samples are taken from the Exynos version of the S5. But whenever I emailed GSMarena, never got a reply back...

Cause even S6 Active hits the streets in few months time, it will retail over 700EUR - which I can't affort :(
[Galaxy S 5 General] bleros:
There is No exynos on s5 plus aka sm-g901f Just snapdragon 805.
[Galaxy S 5 General] jstoner:
Did some more reading on those S5 variants.

G900H (Exynos, octa-core version) here

G901F (LTE+ version, 805) here. There are couple paragraphs on S805's ISP. And from what I understood (and correct me if I m wrong) the 805 package is clearly superior to the older 5420 Exynos based model. But from what you said previously, I guess you mean that the Exynos ISP is more 'fine tuned' to the S5, therefore producing better quality video recording.

Is there no chance for the G901F to improve on video quality against it's older Exynos based S5? Maybe Samsung releases an improved firmware update that will benefit the G901F in that particular area. So in terms of video recording capability the ranking is like this:

1) G900H

2) G901F (any potential for improvement e.g. firmware)

3) G900F / G870F (those two share same sensor/ISP, right?)
[Galaxy S 5 General] TheEndHK:
Since 4G is a must to you, you have no choice but the S5 with s805 and IMX240(w/o OIS) edition.

The ISP in Qualcomm is always bad(though spec-wise or function-wise looks so much powerful but I've found Apple and Samsung never advertise their ISP), not only the focus is poor and it also got heavy sharper/denoise issue, this is what we found on Note4(s805 vs Exynos 5433). I think even the s805 still can't beat Exynos 5422 on S5. When it comes to focus performance, Apple is always the best, second is Exynos and third place is HTC Imagechip.

http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/samsung-galaxy-s6-active-quad-hd-resolution-spotted-uaprof-1491101

It seems S6 Active is already coming with a model name of SM-G890A.
[Galaxy S 5 General] jstoner:
I mean choice between G900F, G901F and G870F. All of those are LTE enabled...

Isn't it the IMX240 on 805 combo (at least) slightly better than the ISOCell on 801 combo?
[Galaxy S 5 General] TheEndHK:
http://www.mobilesmspk.net/compare/samsung-galaxy-s5-lte-a-g906s/samsung-galaxy-s5-lte-a-g901f

Only G901F and G906 is s805 and IMX240. G906 is far better because it got 2K screen, usb3.0 and 3GB ram.
[Galaxy S 5 General] qav:
you should rule out the usb3.0 as a comparison factor. 901F also have usb 3.0
[Galaxy S 5 General] Ave666:
Thank god he not mention amoled
[Galaxy S 5 General] jstoner:
If there any differences between the G900F (S5 - 801 snapdragon) and the G870F (S5 Active - also 801SD) as far as the camera is concerned? Both carry the same 16MP ISOCell sensor, right?

But whilst the G900F is 5312 x 2988 pixels, the G870F is 3456 x 4608 pixels.

And if you check here, it seems that the Active version of the S5 produces somewhat more vibrant colours. Can anyone here confirm that indeed it's the same sensor on both units?
[Galaxy S 5 General] senzorimobilit:
hello ,

pls can you explain to me why my samsung s5 (lollipop) missing picture stabilization? but there is auto night detection ?
[Galaxy S 5 General] msavic6:
Samsung renamed the picture stabilization feature to auto night detection after the update. There was a lot of people complaining about the "hold steady" message so Samsung made it a bit more clear to the user about what is happening when the phone asks you to hold steady.
[Galaxy S 5 General] Ferm7480:
Hello. After lollipop update there is no more sports shot mode and others in my S5 and only can download 3. Help please

Enviado desde mi SM-G900H mediante Tapatalk
[Galaxy S 5 General] Flavine:
Does the Lollipop update improve the camera quality in any way?
[Galaxy S 5 General] tommy_vercetti:
On Lollipop it allows to save images as RAW, however OEM's such as Samsung have not incorporated the same yet!
[Galaxy S 5 General] noideaforusername:
WOW, the basketball and skateboard pictures looks insane!

Now I can say for sure this will be my next phone :D
[Galaxy S 5 General] sohebq:
Just loving the depth of the field effect. This is superb.
[Galaxy S 5 General] Burgscheinkerkdeiktraast:
Yeah, there is After Focus app on market where you get the same effect.

I wish we could get those effect by lenses, not artificially.
[Galaxy S 5 General] plasmastate:
This is not the same as your normal photo editing refocus. In GS5 the camera takes a photo in three focuses (photo is also larger in size 14-15mb), then you can choose which focusing to keep. Far close or normal
[Galaxy S 5 General] Burgscheinkerkdeiktraast:
Look at the picture with woman. Car is more focused, it is clearly artificial not real lens depth of field :P
[Galaxy S 5 General] msavic6:
The phones takes multiple pictures with different areas in focus and saves all of them thus allowing you to choose the depth of field.

This is akin to you tapping to focus when taking picture except the phone does it multiple times on its own.
[Galaxy S 5 General] dandroid13:
More Galaxy S5 photo and video samples appear in a short review
[Galaxy S 5 General] Burgscheinkerkdeiktraast:
What I mean is lens in phone cannot do such depth of field. Blur is being made artificially like apps in Google Market do even in SGS I.

Here are errors where "blur algorithm" failed - in REAL lens depth capabilities there wouldn't be any sort of these:
[Galaxy S 5 General] xeizo:
Of course its worse than a real Camera, still catching up to do, but surprisingly good anyway from what it looks :)
[Galaxy S 5 General] BoneXDA:
This is true, but the S5 stitches together multiple images of different focal point to minimize such errors, so it's a bit more advanced than single-image blur apps. It's okay for about 1080p.
[Galaxy S 5 General] gavinfabl:
The blur effect is fine and looks ok. I would be happy with that if needed.
[Galaxy S 5 General] RaptorMD:
If these pictures are true representations of what we can expect from the GS5 then CrApple does have something to worry about. That camera is equal to what CrApple pushes.
[Galaxy S 5 General] gavinfabl:
My wife uses a 5S. From what I've seen Apple has nothing to worry about. The 5S is a easy and ultra reliable shooter with great results. That's not going to change. IOS 7.1 will improve it marginally as well.

All the S5 has done is levelled the field. Some features will put it ahead. But it's the classic where the 5S is now 6 months old. So one would expect the S5 to be better until the next iPhone.

And really Samsung should have done more. Nokia Lumia's have OIS and more. .. Samsung should have not levelled but wiped the floor with every smartphone.
[Galaxy S 5 General] plasmastate:
So looks like they're doing equal well then? 6 to 7 months to go for an iphone 6. After iphone's release, about 6 more months for GS6 launch (which will hopefully be better performing than iphone of that time). This goes on and on and on. Apple taking 6 months to launch a better product. Samsung taking another 6 and so on. :).

Only if the looks and build quality was on par to an iPhone.
[Galaxy S 5 General] dandroid13:
http://connect.dpreview.com/post/7685094809/mwc-2014-mobile-photography-highlights
[Galaxy S 5 General] BoneXDA:
S5 vs. Note 3 photos from Prague

Source, full size: http://mobilenet.cz/clanky/samsung-galaxy-s5-v-praze-porovnali-jsme-fotoaparat-s-note-3-14926
[Galaxy S 5 General] RaptorMD:
I have owned the last 4 iphones and sold them all within months of getting them and gone back to Android. I just fine the OS lacking and the camera on the GS5 is equal to what Apple does today.
[Galaxy S 5 General] hung2900:
About outdoor pics, the result is quite the same. On S5 it's a little bit like S4, less aggressive sharpening algorithm, so the picture looks "less sharp" in 100%, but when crop we can see the details are more true to life and less noisy. Color on the flower pic is much better. I think it's a little bit better in dynamic range, but because this is not an HDR photo (Samsung's camera normally has the lighter HDR mode) and the weather is not very favorable.

But I can see clearly the improvement in the indoor pic. I hate the agressive noise reduction of Samsung phones (from S3, Note 2 to S4, Note 3). A prefer a little bit more noisy but more detailed. Waiting for indoor mode (or so-called Smart Stabilization mode) samples.
[Galaxy S 5 General] BoneXDA:
New shots from eprice.com.tw, pretty stellar WB

Source, full size: http://www.eprice.com.tw/mobile/talk/4523/4898431/1/rv/xiaomi-小米-3-MI3-review/
[Galaxy S 5 General] Kriomag:
so no, samsungs LP does not improve camera quality in any way... maybe in future CM there will be API 2 and raw support - then i will knox it to 0x1
[Galaxy S 5 General] Pako7:
Detailed review of the camera from Eldar Murtazin (Mobile Review)
[Galaxy S 5 General] degast:
These are gorgeous! Damn!
[Galaxy S 5 General] :
Wow, better than the 1520 in almost every circumstance :eek: