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[Galaxy Note 3 General] Razor29:
Gotta say I keep having Samsung phones and I ain't sure why.. Maybe the amoled who knows but I have sm-n900 and HTC one... The note ones rooted which in all honesty is a must for me and the phone is more useless then an unjailbroken iPhone. Not to mention the massive amount of WTF fetures and bloatware that can only be described as a business plan modeled similarly to the notion of throwing pasta on the wall to check if it sticks.. So unrooted the almighty phone is slower then my tweaked HTC one.. The fact that I own I rather expensive Samsung smart TV and that mirroring gets disables when custom recovery is flashed(and from what I checked diagnosticly this is the part were the function breaks) is a source for great anger not to mention that more Samsung smart TV related cross fetures get disabled as well.. The device is also prone to damage and instability that I have not had on the HTC no matter how much ni screwed around with it... Samsung has delibiratly sabotaged the rooted user and that is crossing a line. If they wish to deny warranty on the claim of personal responsibility that's unkind and rather dim in my view but its their porogative. But I played top price for these high end appliances and I take great anger with Samsung punishing me for rooting to enjoy my phone payed in full with my cash in a way they did not dilliver.

I must point out that I rooted my HTC and its s-off and it had camera hardware issues HTC did not refuse my warranty because they understood the damage is not from software mods .. That is fair!
[Galaxy Note 3 General] ChainzOfGlory:
Screen size

Personally after having paid for a phone like the note 3, financially, I would not go for the s5. However if it was just a free upgrade like some have, then it's a matter of if the benefits of the new generation are worth it. I'm sticking with the note. Also, a bigger screen never hurt.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] jh787:
Not financially viable, even for upgrading customers.

Would much rather pay less line rental for the slightly older (but more superior) note 3 than pay full whack for the S5.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] Epix4G:
From note 3 to a lg g pro 2 ... then probably note 4

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[Galaxy Note 3 General] spotlight79:
Fail

I owned the S2, after that the S3, S4 and now I have the Note 3, so yes, I am kind of a fan of Samsung phones. But this thing... this S5... is the ugliest piece of hardware I've seen in a long while. The front is more or less the same as the S4 but with bigger bezels... but the back... I simply cannot find the words for that.... I am aware that people are going to go for it, but for me it just feels like a big step backwards - design-wise. I am just disappointed and I hope the Note 4, which is supposed to be my next phone, won't have this back casing... If it does, I think my next phone is going to be either a Sony or a HTC. Samsung should fire their whole design department after this disaster!
[Galaxy Note 3 General] aarick:
Exactly why I am leaving Samsung once the Z2 is released. I has my note 3 rooted from the start, but a recent bad flash through MOP have left me unrooted as I do not want to trip Knox. I do find the phone performing much better in its unrooted state, but miss all the tweaks I was able to make to the phone to make it MINE! So yes, I do believe as well that Samsung is sabotaging rooted users.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] Razor29:
They should learn from the more cat and mouse game that apple plays, that they in my opinion selectively create since as an x-iphoner I can attest that they clearly and systemically assimilated the best sold cydia tweaks in to the OS magicly one jailbreaking windows after its release at or in a new iOS, at least its less direct.

With Samsung it feels as if they really go after root users.

Odd when cosiduring that, the avg users of any device that is modded/jailbroken/rooted is, in fact in the rather small range of 1 - 2 % of users.

Users that in part or to be slme of the best future highly skilled dev's, considering all that I really don't get it.

I logged a complaint to Samsung in my country on Facebook.

They contacted me, took my complaint and they never contacted me again..

The note is a high end device, top range, I don't see why they should give such terrible customer service to the highest paying customers...

But I go where the quality and customer care are both in abundance in some or other, basic form.

So far I found that the HTC one in the best of both worlds, and I have been eyeing Sony ever since the z1, now that the z2 addressed the ever deterring screens Sony used for the z series so far its looking a lot more enjoyable and well crafted, don't know how the rooting scene is in regards to sony. But all in all the worst in fair customer care and/or build quality are Samsung and Apple.(oddly enough the 2 best selling companies)

The biggest shame is that the note 3 is a great phone but its so more rigid then any smartphone I personally owned, a lot of wasted potential with higher emphasis in regard to the exynos varient which is even more ironic due to the fact that the exynos is Samsung's own created chip coupled to their phone...

That's why I am jumping ship after the note till Samsung perhaps remember to actually notice what users want and not what they feverishly dream up they want(to those who saw the live unveiling of the Galaxy S4 that was insanely over the top)
[Galaxy Note 3 General] twoxa:
short answer - nobody. lol
[Galaxy Note 3 General] @rbiter:
The s5 might've been cool without Knox. I hope it sells so poorly that samsung changes it tune. Or they might've deliberately sabotaged the design to deemphasize android so they can use Tizen as a stepping stone to... I don't know. Samsung is pretty stupid. Its like they're intentionally stepping on their own toes and people are going to walk away en masse sooner than later if they keep this **** up.

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[Galaxy Note 3 General] maanz "L":
True, mate.

In fact, Samsung always thinks that all Samsung devices belongs to "them", not u, me or us.

They don't care even if we have bought it for few hundred dollars..

Like what [MENTION=4995278]Razor29[/MENTION] said, Samsung should have done what HTC has been doing so that they will not lose their loyal consumers.

But by the looks of it, Samsung will FAIL in the coming years..

It could have been better if the knox sh*t is being made as an optional app for the non business-minded consumers.

Totally disappointed with how everything have been made.

U will not get my support anymore unless the circumstance changes.

Damn stupid Samsung.

PS: I hope that Chelsea FC will terminate the Samsung branding on their jerseys...:good:
[Galaxy Note 3 General] nicholaschum:
Who said HTC hasn't lost loyal customers? I'm 100% sure the majority of Hong Kong ditched HTC for Samsung within the past 3 years, and the people in Hong Kong always have the latest and greatest, following the most high tech phone companies and don't line up for iPhones to be the first to use it, but the first to sell it. HTC phones only appear on those high school students who smashed their iPhone but want to try something new.

My take on HTC: http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1652197

But yes, they should have given the option to enable KNOX at the first place, however it would defeat the purpose if you used an inactivated KNOX phone for business and then the company complains to Samsung and they blame the company as they didn't check the phone at the first place. It's an added step that would cause more problems for Samsung and Samsung isn't willing to waste effort on that.

I must also point out that by giving in an unofficial unlock (S-OFF'ed) device allowing you to change system partitions, you are meant to lose all warranty. In my case above, I used the official HTCdev bootloader unlock and I lost all my warranty, and I had to complain for a refund. The HTC One X to this day does not have an S-OFF method. Also lastly I do agree that what you said is fair, but all HTC has are the fans they have left, without the fans, they are nothing. They lost the Beats logo (which brought most people to HTC) rights, and all that CEO change mumbo jumbo saying that they are selling the company (reported false) isn't adding reputation to the company. They have to keep their loyal customers loyal to them, hence they have to be fair. Samsung still is in the business and they don't have to care for you, if you like it buy it (which most people do) and if they see something cool they copy it (S5) to gain market to the iPhone lovers who want something new.

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[Galaxy Note 3 General] maanz "L":
Why do u think Samsung isn't willing to waste time on that?

So they can waste their time looking at ways to improving their Knox sh*t??

I don't see the need to use the knox sh*t environment in the business-minded world..

What about the complains from the non business-minded people??

Do Samsung care??
[Galaxy Note 3 General] skibadee:
Nice pic , shame the note 3 is so crap in low light. Nearly every pic I take of my son in our house ends up blurring if he moves at all. Not to mention the damn lines you get shooting video with wifi on.

I will not buy the s5 as I feel samsung have shat on us too often now, it's not enough of an upgrade on the note 3 for one, and having less ram is a piss take.

I won't be buying a note 4 either until I know it doesn't suffer from crap low light photos and interference in video.

I'm done with buying the latest and greatest Galaxy device (and I've had them all except note 1&2) within a day or so of launch. Too many disappointments since the s3
[Galaxy Note 3 General] celderic:
The lines in the camera with wifi is a serious issue for me.. i assume this is hardware?

I take it nobody had tried putting some insulation around the camera inside the phone?
[Galaxy Note 3 General] nicholaschum:
Out of all the people who have a Samsung device, less that a quarter roots the phone and trips KNOX.

Think about it, rooting == bad for the business world, and also for the average consumer who doesn't know what they are doing, they are trying to make sure that people only follow the full stock experience so they get the updates. Once you root, it is out of Samsung's hand and they can't be sure you won't sue them for data loss due to rooting.

Also, I'm not saying that they would improve their KNOX system, I'm saying that phone companies always do this to their benefit, so that they don't lose money when people muck up their phone by rooting. If the person didn't root they have the right to repair it, as it would be their fault. If you rooted, they have the right to know and not issue you a fix if you burnt the CPU or whatnot. Unless you worked in this kind of business, losing money by repairing people's phones due to their absent-mindedness, you would continue to be against what I said.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] ixon2001:
I never knew of this problem upto today and had my Note 3 since middle of December, & i have taken plenty of pics and video's since then.

But only ever enable wifi when i need to download a large file as my data is unlimited.

So if mine does it also, which i've not tested yet it not a biggy for me.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] mightyox:
Smaller screen with knox crap 2.0? Had enough with Samsung!
[Galaxy Note 3 General] pete4k:
I have wifi on 100% of time, took many videos and pictures and never seen those lines. Are they showing up when downloading something at the same time? Because I even tried to find large game (250MB) and while it was downloading I took video and it was fine and I even verified, after recording, the game was still downloading so I have no idea what are you people talking about. Is it showing for specific note3 models, particular type of video? I was recording 4k, the most demanding format there is, that even my desktop computer have problem playing back without hickups and it was fine recording, it was fine playing back and I took few stills for a good measure, which were also fine.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] xiaohuilang:
Its great
[Galaxy Note 3 General] maanz "L":
What's yr

purpose/intentions

of coming to XDA??

No, rooting will not cause to that extend u mentioned above if u follow the guides correctly.

I'm sure the whole of XDA knows this by now, there are videos on it..

Rooting is not bad at all.

I have a member here who's running a business and still wants to root it.

So, what are u talking about and what is Samsung thinking??

The whole point of having any android devices including Samsung is to make it OUR device, not "THEIRS".

We bought it, so we own it. Our property, not "theirs".

And unlock the real true potential of OUR SmartPhone.

All these posts is to give response to the OP on who's going to "downgrade" to S5.

Most of us here including ROM devs strongly disagree on what Samsung has implemented.

All we have to do is express our views about it, not to debate on this nor backing up/support Samsung Knox sh*t facts etc.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] nicholaschum:
I am not against the fact that you were going all over Samsung's KNOX with hatred.

The thing is, you can't be blinded by hatred and not think of other people's thoughts. Samsung would lose money if people started suing them because of their lies of their advertised solution for businesses.

I'm not here on XDA to rant about user rights and what should be happening (removing KNOX entirely including the counter). But if you chose a phone with KNOX, live with it. It was your choice to buy the phone, and if you didn't know about KNOX prior to buying it, well..it can't be Samsung's fault, as it wasn't them who forced the phone upon you. By buying the phone you agreed that you wanted THAT specific phone, if you didn't want KNOX, maybe you should have bought another device.

I honestly don't care for KNOX, I can trip it all I want. I know I can sell my phone to people who won't even care for KNOX in Hong Kong. But I happen to have the Canadian device that can flash any ROMs, Kernels and Recoveries without tripping KNOX, so I can't complain.

The thing is, rooting will not cause the things I mentioned above if people followed the guides

correctly

. Many people just root the phone without noticing things like the KNOX counter, because they don't do enough research (prove this wrong), and they just mess up.

If you bought it, and it's "yours", then good! Stop worrying about KNOX and never claim warranty, as it is "yours", not "theirs", so they don't need to help you when there's a problem with it, as it won't be "their" responsibility.

This is getting off-topic, but it does warn people that the S5 WILL come out with the KNOX implementation.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] DrawnToLife:
/thread.

I don't understand why people can't understand this. You bought a phone with Knox. You acknowledged that you were buying a secure phone. So why are you surprised when they won't honour warranty because you voided the container. It's literally like trying to refund an open box of cookies by tapping the sticker back on. The warranty bit is set so Samsung doesn't have to worry nearly as much as before. When someone fried their CPU on an S3, they wouldn't be able to tell what caused that. At least now they can tell if something unintended occurred. You have to understand that out of the 10+ million buyers, a very small fraction root their device. Of that fraction, an even smaller fraction have half a brain to properly follow instructions. The half that don't are the ones that complain that they can't claim warranty when they screwed up. And it's their own fault. They shouldn't be playing around with stuff that they aren't confident or competent about. If they're so worried about Knox and its implications, then they should have acknowledged these limitations before they started messing around.

Look, I'm not for Knox. I'll never use it for the 2-3 years that I have this phone, but I'm doing my best to preserve it so long as I have warranty just in case something goes wrong. But I knew that Knox was there. And even if I didn't, I could have returned it once I found out. But you can't say that Samsung is trying to detract from its user base. If anything, they're further warning the average user that they can tell right away if the device has been tampered with in any unofficial way. And this sure as hell saves them a lot of headaches in terms of honour warranty.

(this isn't aimed at you btw)
[Galaxy Note 3 General] airyras:
Not me thats for sure. S5 a ripoff.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] kanagadeepan:
The back of S5 is looking like back of s3 or s4 which got infected with chicken pox, IMHO

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[Galaxy Note 3 General] maanz "L":
U shouldn't spoke at lengths with me in the first place that leads to off-topic.

Everybody has their own views posting here.

But it seems like some people don't agree and goes a bit overboard and others start to poke in and counter-attacking with "facts".

This thread is not about all that "facts"..

This thread is just about "who's buying the S5 and why", not a debate thread.

Plain simple.

So, why go at lengths for this??

Reading all yr posts, maybe u just don't agree with me, but there are a lot more users who has same view like me..

Maybe if u have bought a different variant with the new bootloader in it like the others had, maybe u will have a different approach and views on the Knox sh*t.

Just lucky for u..
[Galaxy Note 3 General] uvaman:
I'll wait for N4 def best option.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] skibadee:
Nope I wasn't downloading anything large. I've already sent it for warranty and all they did was "updated software" which is crap as it came back with the same version as before. The lines went away for a bit then started up again in the last 2 days.

For those who say they don't have this issue, make sure you test indoors with low (not dark) light. Mine does it whatever settings you use 4k or otherwise.

If they release the z2 with a 32gb option im seriously considering selling my Note 3. I hear the camera is pretty much the same as the z1. Anyone have experience with a z1 and the camera quality in low light? Does it blur if the subject moves?
[Galaxy Note 3 General] sanderpunto:
I had s4 for a week. Than switch to note 3. And love this device don't want a smaller s5. With less ram.

Sorry for bad English.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] Tsuri:
i am realy disappointed.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] dodgebizkit:
While s5 is actually inferior to Note 3 (marginally better processor, a third less ram, no s pen and smaller screen), it is still a nice big jump from the s4, so s2 s3 and early upgrading s4 users get a great deal, but i wouldnt upgrade from an n3 or a n2 to s5. I would still choose a nexus 5 over s5.

---------- Post added at 10:12 PM ---------- Previous post was at 10:11 PM ----------

I agree, less ram means inferior phone, regardless of the other benefits of the s5. And your English is fine (I'm an English teacher, I'd tell you).
[Galaxy Note 3 General] nookcoloruser:
I would have thought an English teacher would know not start a sentence with 'And' ;) :silly:
[Galaxy Note 3 General] markyboy81:
Agree with this, I went down this route and picked up a new Samsung NX1000 with 20-50mm and 50-200mm lenses for £300 and the picture quality is much much better than any smartphone camera including the Nokia pureview 808 I used to own.

Plus I can share photos directly from the camera to my phone.

So although the camera changes of the s5 are welcome, the actual improvements will be minimal I reckon.

So I've decided now is a good time to try to sell my S4 and get a note 3 instead..
[Galaxy Note 3 General] ovidiugr:
Note 4 will be better than S5... plus Note 3 is better than S5 in some areas. we have Spen, larger screen, beautiful design, big battery and even heart rate apps that work. ah... almost forgot we have an additional 1GB RAM... and did I mention about the Spen and all the things it can do?

what about the things we don't have like water resistance, 0.3s focus and refocus and realtime HDR? those and others are nice additions. looking forward to see what next Note brings to the table.

a smartwatch would be nice, the gear fit looks amazing.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] ixon2001:
If i had an S3 then i would upgrade to the S5 in an instant as this is what the S5 is aimed at, because most people's 2 year contracts will becoming to an end in April.

If your a simfree user then selling your Note 3 for an S5 is just plain daft, even selling it for a Sony Z2 is wasting money, because what little you gain from the 801 you loose in money, screen size, built in storage, battery & the Z2 nearly as big as the Note 3.

The only real successor to the Note 3 will be the Note 4 towards the end of the year.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] Epix4G:
Check out the lg g pro 2 looks like the best camera on any Android phone 3gb ram no Knox and it has a sd card and removable battery ...

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[Galaxy Note 3 General] @rbiter:
I am holding my reservations about pro2 camera. The original had some issues and I ha sent followed up to see if they were rectified. The 16mp on S5 looks promising, even without OIS, but knowing Samsung they cherry picked samples. Hopefully they got it right. It is beyond aggravating that the note3/S4 camera was a big step down from note2 camera. The note2 camera was good all around without tweaking. The note3 camera is just beyond horrible in low light situations. I currently am carrying around two phones, note3 and moto x. The moto x 10mp camera is a nice all around camera much like the note2's 8mp camera. I love the moto x without a doubt but the note3 is a nice all around phone. The above average low light pics of the moto x is not helping me decide to carry just one phone. Camera quality is a big factor in my phone decision lately. Taking low light pics and scans in any light situation has been invaluable for me lately.

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[Galaxy Note 3 General] Epix4G:
Check out low light pics in this thread

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=2670377

The whole forum is basically about the camera and it looks great so far

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[Galaxy Note 3 General] Cim6:
I guess that I will buy a S5 and keep my note 3.

Then I will choose with wich one phone will be keep.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] justimagination:
Isn't it possible just to get a decent case if you need something dust and waterproof?

Just my opinion, but not a big fan of the S5 when compared to the Note 3.

Won't be expecting much of the Note 4 now.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] dodgebizkit:
The note series seems to be the bicep show off series and the surrounding series now seems to be the iterative iPhone beater popular series that doesn't require effort just a solid upgrade

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[Galaxy Note 3 General] d12unk13astard:
Note series are the real flagship phones and the galaxy s series have gone the way of samsung nexus devices, gimped and overrated. Sure people will still buy them because mostly they don't care or are clueless, but note line are the best specc'd and future proof.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] dr.m0x:
I can't see the Note 4 being a must have upgrade either. Unless it has an fm radio.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] sohebq:
To hell with fm radio.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] ShadowLea:
I always thought I'd miss FM Radio, but I've not had a single moment in which I found myself missing it. I simply bought a 5 euro pocket FM Radio for emergencies (As a bonus it uses AAA batteries, so doesn't drain my phone in emergencies)

I think I'll hold out till the Note 5.
[Galaxy Note 3 General] nicholaschum:
An fm radio is not a good enough reason for me to ditch my current Note for the new one.

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