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[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] dsmitty15:
did you have iphone before

IF so you need to dekink your number from imessage
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] mdeblaz:
Fortunately, I have never owned an iPhone...
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] jamesino:
Is it safe to assume that all new Verizon Galaxy S4s purchased in-store or online will ship with 4.4.2 pre-loaded and hence, will be un-rootable?

Is there any way to run an AOSP ROM on a new VZW GS4 that came pre-loaded with 4.4.2? Are there any third party website that I can pay to send me a bootloader unlock code, like with the Moto x?

Edit: I've been hearing the term SafeStrap being thrown around a lot. What exactly is it? From what I understand so far, it seems to allow you only to run TouchWiz based ROMs, correct?
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] Paramemetic:
I'm having issues with overheating also, usually when using GPS + anything else. GPS + bluetooth, GPS + calling, whatever it is, it goes from "totally fine" to "your phone will shut down" in about 15 minutes. Being in a call while using GPS tends to be the fastest cause of overheating.

I don't know how much of this is because of it being in a lifeproof nuud + a dashboard mount, I assume maybe it's just not venting properly, but basically this overheating problem is a real issue.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] Skeetch79:
Samsung does not use unlock keys. Therefore, there isn't a site to buy one from. Secret lies in aboot and bootloader.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] tshelby73:
Anyone else have issues with data or Google apps not loading data every now and then? Reboot fixes it for me. I'm using surges odex method.

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[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] Leo G:
I have issues with the data not turning on every once in a while. Since the upgrade to 4.4.2 the data icon is always on the screen. If data is turned off then you can see if you are in an area with data and what it is (4G, 3G, 1X). I should be able to turn the data on and it should light up the icon in less than a few seconds. Sometimes it just won't go on. Just sits there grayed out..

What I have been using as a work around is to activate airplane mode and then deactivate it. 90% of the time the data comes on when I use this method.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] tshelby73:
My data icon shows data and the arrows are showing data moving just doesn't seem to load anything.

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[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] decaturbob:
Plenty of info can be found on safestrap....

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[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] Leo G:
Haven't had that issue, yet. But I did have my first overheating issue the other day. Not sure how hot is hot but my apps indicated 102F and Battery Monitor Widget showed a 2600ma draw for about 10 minutes. Went from 70% to 40% in 10 minutes. Had to do a battery pull to make it stop.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] XRSTOY1:
Kit Kat Sucks!!!

Wow, I am so surprised but I think KIT KAT really sucks, I did the upgrade to it and all sorts of my programs stopped working. Titanium Backup can't write to the SD card anymore, (there is a fix for this, but Just saying), Root explorer doesn't work, Total commander doesn't see the sd card

anymore without having to backtrack to it. It has just ugly white Icon at the top charging or drained the battery is just white. It seems that all they did with KIT KAT was tighten up security and break things. I downgraded back to good old Jelly Bean and here is where I plan to stay. JMO

:cool:
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] BoulderGeek:
I am interestedly watching this space for reports of the new 4.4.3 that is being pushed to S4 GPE devices.

I wonder if they have fixed any of the above complaints?

I am also holding fast on 4.3.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] CmbtEngr:
Question

I'm not a total newbie to the whole rooting / ROM thing, but i do have a question that maybe someone here can answer.

I have a rooted S4 from Verizon that is still running MK2. I can't, as noted in this forum, install the OTA update because I am rooted. I understand that and am okay with the messages for now. Until the 4.4.2 update gets the root issue resolved (I love me some Tasker), I will be staying there.

Here is my question: I am having trouble getting my Bluetooth to stay connected to my Jeep Patriot (via UConnect), and the issue seems to be with JB. The posted updates in 4.4.2 reflect that Bluetooth (and Navigation) now work better with more outside devices. Is there a ROM I could flash onto my MK2 build that will give me 4.4.2 (or emulate its features), until the OTA update gets resolved?
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] biikman:
the speed at which verizon puts out updates, it could be the s6 will be out before 4.4.3 :eek:
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] tshelby73:
Anyone try using samsung the headphone controls. My volume down button doesn't work but up and pause work. I'm on surge stock odex with mk2 bootloader.

Update: the down button must be broke my daughter's set worked fine.

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[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] fillyo:
I like it, but I will refuse to buy it based upon Knox, and it will be locked down. I miss the freedom of my unlocked S3. I am rooted on MK2, and hoping they will root 4.4.2 when it comes out, otherwise, I am not updating. Hoping the new One has an SD slot, if so, I am definitely picking one up.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] ffchampmt:
It's leaner on using system resources and Google throws wallet in Verizons face by incorporating nfc payments into the OS.

I dislike the patchwork of roms and xposed moduals and themes to get my S4 looking and feeling like my Nexus 7 2014.

If there isn't a root exploit found I won't be going. I can't stand Verizons bloatware on my phone (or Samsungs for that matter).

Sent from my HyperDrive 14 Driven MJ7 Verizon Galaxy S4
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] Caprice_0083:
Wasn't trying to be rude and trust me I'm more than thankful to Scott for giving us something to work with after Verizon locked us up in that last update but I have a right to my opinion. I was a heavy cyanogenmod guy and now I can't use it.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] Shaftamle:
Its nothing like flashing a ROM. Especially when you don't like it, try to flash a nandroid and realize you no longer can. Ask any previous MDK user who couldn't resist Apps2SD. What did that worthless function do? I have 105 apps running ART and still have over 2 gigs left. Some may like stock, but its FAAAAAARRRRRRR from clean, and fast if you use the phone for text and email. As a power user, well, good luck.

My last question, stock may be functional, but let me ask. How is your tether? What about battery? Anything close to 23 hours with 4 hour screen on an 2 hours GPS? Probly not. Google wallet work yet? How about the ads?

I wouldn't have sacrificed new tech just to get the phone out 2 months earlier.

It may be a good phone, and Sammy may still rule android, but they lost some ground here. Less Pixels per inch from the world leading HD TV manufacturer is like smith and Wesson producing a hand loaded musket riffle for the 21st century. Kind of going backwards. no? I know its only a little different, but its the principal. It should be better. Especially when we WILL see it from at least 2 other companies. Maybe even APPLE!

SO I ASK YOU. If your cell phone manufacturer, how embarrassed would you be as the world's leading display manufacture if Apple, above all companies had a 2K/4k, whatever,screen before you?

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[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] :
Wifi tether works on stock :) battery is same as any other rom with the so called "tweaks" known as placebo init.d and build.prop scripts. I've in fact had higher than 1d +4 hours screen and gps. don't use Google wallet so I can't say anything for that. In regards to ad removers, used to use them all the time until it started blocking the pop ups that I actually needed.

Because if 4k displays can be incorporated into TVs now, that does not mean they are necessarily ready for mobile devices. Look how long 64bit took and look how much longer i7s are taking. If computers have had i7s for years already, how come they haven't made their way into mobile devices yet?
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] Shaftamle:
Teather works with foxfi and the $20 per month option from big red. Unless you on the family share, but I can imagine teather being to use full with a data cap.

Battery talk is obviously subjective.

As far as them not being ready. I would normally agree with you. Leaks hype stuff up. For instance, theres a rumor about the s5 having an iris scanner. That I believe is a little way. The only reason I feel differently on the screen, is because from what I've heard, Sony, HTC, Nexus and apple have all rumored a 4k display. So are they all lieing?

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[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] Coycaine:
Do you think those battery numbers are good on an S4? Because I would be pissed if I only got 4 hours screen on time for just one day of use.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] Shaftamle:
That was a random day that I happened to look at it. And yeah, I'll take 24 hours battery life with those numbers. 4 hours is a lot of time. Like I said before, battery talk is subjective. 4 hours of screen on time for someone reading emails is different than 4 hours for someone streaming video. Brightnes level, multitasking and other hardware intensive activities can make 4 hours for some, very different than for others.

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[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] Coycaine:
I think we can agree reading emails for 4 hours would suck!
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] Shaftamle:
I agree. But you get what I mean. ;)

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[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] stuartv:
I don't know about anybody else, but I KNOW I wouldn't be able to see the difference between a 1080p and 2K or 4K screen on a 5'ish inch screen.

Personally, I'd rather stick with a 1080p screen and have my device last longer on a battery. I mean, no matter how long they can make it last with newer tech and a 2K or 4K screen, there is no question they could make it last even longer with all everything else the same and a 1080p screen. And that is what I would choose.

For that matter, I'd rather have it be 8 - 9mm thick and use the extra thickness for a bigger battery, too. There is a point where being thinner doesn't help me at all. But, a phone that would last a week without being charged would be really nice!
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] Shaftamle:
The battery is huge for the s5. And trust me, YOU WOULD SEE A DIFFERENCE. If nothing else the color would by insane. I never thought it could get better. Go to a best buy and check out their 4k TV's. It is MINDBLOWING!

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[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] Mistertac:
I'm not sure if anyone in here has talked about this yet but just an FYI :

The Sprint users that have taken the NAE (4.4) update have lost the ability to download anything directly to their SD Cards.

Apparently this is by design from Google so to make or... Insist that more people use their cloud storage instead.

For rooted users with a recovery they made a flashable zip to fix this issue. For non rooted users it seems they may have to wait for an update ( if it ever comes )

Just figured I'd share this here since many have been complaining of this over in the sprint forums and I'm sure we will face the same thing here on Verizon.

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Here's the link to that thread where a couple sprint users are discussing it.

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?p=50812444
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] stuartv:
Why does higher resolution equate to better color? If the panel has better color because of some improved tech, why can't they give us that better color by using the same tech in a 1080p panel?

Regardless, I don't care about getting better color. I don't watch movies on a 5" screen. If I want to watch movies, I use my tablet. For my phone, the screen on the S4 is already WAY MORE than good enough. In fact, it's awesome. And I would much rather keep the screen and add longer run-time on a charge than make the screen higher rez or better color and have a lesser run-time.

Oh, and I have looked at 4K TVs at BB. They struck me as way oversaturated color and very unrealistic looking.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] joshm.1219:
I'm not going to argue that there is some type of difference you would see, but it's minimal and probably part-placebo. Technically humans shouldn't be even be able to tell the difference between 720p & 1080p on devices this small, but I still can. Sure, the difference between 1080p & 1440p is even less than 720p & 1080p, but it's still something.

Now going to Best Buy to look at the difference between a 2160p TV & 1080p TV won't tell you anything about these phones being upgraded to 1440p. First off, the bigger screen the easier it is to tell a difference because of the PPI. Also, it's obviously a big step looking at 1080p then 2160p rather than just 1440p.

Also why do you say the battery is huge for the S5? It's 2800mah. It's only 7.7% bigger than the S4's stock battery. Samsung really dropped the ball on that one, they could've done a lot better.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] Shaftamle:
Higher resolution means better color because there are 4 times the amount of pixels on a 4k screen than a 1080 screen. Therefore, the transition between colors and the amount of detail that can be displayed with 4 times the pixels is enormous. Think of it like this, if you went to Home Depot and got a paint strip with shades of color from dark blue to light blue. If that paint strip had 8 colors, for arguments sake, think of how many more color shades there would be if the same strip had 32 shades of blue. Same concept with 4k. You have 4 times the pixels to work with. Meaning more vibrant color transitions and better detail since there is more pixels to work with.

Battery may not be huge, but it is bigger.

As far as comparing at BB. Its all relative. 1080 vs 4k on a TV obviously is different then on a phone. But if you can see it on a TV you can see it on a phone, IMO. Also, and I could be wrong, but I believe 4k resolution is approx. 4096x2160. That's a big difference. Double the pixels. Clearly we don't know what the resolution would be exactly but that's a pretty big jump.

Lastly, when HD TV's came out people said the human eye could not register more than 60hz refresh rate. I don't know about you but 240hz looks a lot different to me.

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[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] stuartv:
That's not better color. That's better resolution - giving higher image quality. Which is great until the resolution passes the human eye's resolution. IOW, sure the 32-color paint strip looks better than the 8-color. But, if you compared the same strip with 16 million shades to another with 32 million shades would you be able to tell the difference? I'm going to say no. Likewise for a phone screen where the pixel density is well over 300ppi. On a TV screen with a pixel density that might be way 34ppi for a big 1080p screen versus 68 ppi for a same-sized 4K, sure you can see a difference.

https://www.paulstv.com/ultra-hd-4k.asp

Put down the Marketing (P)hype and pay attention to the facts.

And there is where it is clear that you are not thinking clearly. Put an image of a whole newspaper page on the screen on your big screen TV. Can you read it? Sure. Good. Now put the same image on your phone screen. Can you read it? Eff no! Not even on a Retina display, which is higher resolution than your big screen TV.

Higher resolution than 1080p on a device that is 6" or less is flat out Marketing BS and a waste of CPU/GPU and battery power. And before you argue with further, let me add one last thing: Sure, compare your last phone, with it's 720p screen, to your current phone with its 1080p screen and then tell me the 1080p looks better. And I'll say "sure it does. But that's not because of the difference in resolution. It's because of the other ways that they improved the display technology." Unfortunately, the other improvements to the display technology don't yield easy-to-digest numbers. And easy-to-digest numbers are what Marketing likes. Bigger numbers are automatically better (to people like you and most of the rest of the folks out there). So, when the engineers make a better looking display, Marketing will still come along and say "great, but you need to make it higher resolution, too, so we can have numbers that are bigger than Apple's. Make it so, Number Two!" And so, our display doesn't get any better looking, but it does eat more battery.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] joshm.1219:
Lol yes the battery is technically bigger. Doesn't help with a screen resolution bump at all though.

I'm agreeing with everything else you're saying if you read my post.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] xsalemx:
Has anyone heard of a workaround for tethering on 4.4 on other carriers? From what I have read, the update breaks foxfi.

btw- stock, unrooted, Verizon
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] Mistertac:
Check this out from the sprint forums

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=2653666

Its said to work on KitKat.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] stuartv:
Where do you see that? All I see over there is a solution that requires using a custom Recovery to flash an update. And since us Verizon people are shafted with a locked bootloader and no custom recovery, I don't see how what they're doing will help us.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] Mistertac:
You know that's my fault then. Wasn't thinking about that...I have both a sprint s4 and Verizon one so sometimes my train of thought gets mixed.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] stuartv:
For the record, I misspoke somewhat. If your S4 still have the original MDK firmware, you can root and install a custom recovery - in which case you could potentially take advantage of the flash fixes to get tethering to work.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] Mistertac:
Well between my unlocked sprint s4 and my Verizon one which is actually MDK , I just didn't think of those that are on the fully locked down ones that's all. Thanks for keeping me in check lol
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] stuartv:
Yeah, don't forget me! I foolishly took the first OTA before waiting to see if I should or not. :(
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] jamesd1085:
Went to a Verizon store today to replace sim...all s4s in store on 4.4.2...looked like 4.3 with very, and I mean very little change...but should be pushing very soon if all their devices have it
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] texz71:
You can root and tether just fine with the newer locked bootloader just fine as well as safestrap some roms. Not sure what you are talking about.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] :
You asked me how my Wifi tether was and I had said that it worked for ME FREE on MY plan. I know battery is subjective but you had asked me how mine was... but for my usage on STOCK battery, here you go...
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] Sir_Eagle:
Interesting
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] trollishtrucker:
Very interesting as I was in my local vzw Corp store today and all of the s4's there were still on 4.3. If yours yours were not then it is odd. I could hope for 4.4.2 to roll out soon, but based on the history vzw has I don't see it happening.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] thesoldier:
I was a Verizon corporate store earlier and theirs were still on 4.2.2.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] AceVille:
There are still two major Galaxy S4 Android 4.4 KitKat updates that remain missing in the United States. T-Mobile and Verizon still haven’t rolled the update out nor have they confirmed when their updates will be arriving for users. We expect these updates to touch down sometime this month but we have a very good feeling that it won’t be the Verizon Galaxy S4 Android 4.4 KitKat update that rolls out next.

If Verizon manages to beat T-Mobile to the punch, we’ll be extremely surprised. Don’t bet on it happening.

However, don’t expect Verizon to be dead last to Android 4.4. It’s going to be one of the smaller pre-paid carriers that takes that honor. Verizon might be slow but it’s not going to be slower than every single carrier in the United States.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] ickray:
I've read on many sites that ALOT of people, especially internationally have had serious problems from; charging issues and SD card issues all the way to soft bricking issues with the kit kat update. From what I hear Verizon is taking awhile to make sure that their update goes as smoothly as possible with no serious problems. If that is true then maybe its worth the wait :confused:
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] Jay Evans:
According to what I see on G+, T-Mobile is sending out their S4 update now.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] MajorLeagueROM:
Verizon S4

:laugh:If all the other major carriers got it looks like were the last to the party :laugh:
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] Mistertac:
I realize everyone who doesn't have a Dev edition or an mdk build is excited to get an update, but KitKat isn't really some huge change up. Not trying to burst anyone's bubble.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] chamberc:
Not to mention the phone does everything it was sold to do with 4.3. I'm really not sure why we expect old phones to be updated to new software...
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] :
If it's an update, I'll take it! If I valued development that much, I would've gotten dev edition
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] Mistertac:
Oh hey I understand.

I guess When I say that it's really to the people who are rooted and running Roms via SafeStrap. Since its really unknown how either of those two things will go for the KitKat update, just better to hold out.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] scryan:
Thats all well and good... but this is a development website, so that is who its focus towards....
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] :
Tell that to the people starting threads about lawsuits or bashing verizon :-/
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] Omega360:
The 4.4 update marches on, just hit the UK: http://forums.androidcentral.com/samsung-galaxy-s4/369872-kit-kat-uk.html#post3504439
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] gnubian:
All you do is bash on people hoping for a bootloader unlock and say your stock rooted is so great. Why are you even on xda? Most of your posts seem to bash and disagree with others just because you can and your demeanor is snooty at best.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] nnbengboy2:
Holy crap! How do you get that kind of battery life?! I only get about 1 day 15-20 hours. Don't get me wrong, I love my battery battery life...but I'd still love 5+ days! (Way better than my GNex that got 15hours at the most)

Tell us your secrets please! :)

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Just to put this out there...XDA has things for people without root. For instance, I got my Google Experience Launcher from here.

I think something we can all agree on is that this phone works well with or without root/custom ROMs. I have found success by using androids "disable" feature on the pesky apps like Verizon Security. The only real reason I need root is to enable the WiFi tethering...but I don't really need that for work anymore.

My point being...I loved flashing custom ROMs on my GNex. I probably won't get another phone with a locked boot loader after having the S4. However, I do really enjoy my phone regardless and plan on updating to 4.4 as soon as it is available.

(And to address the "SD card issue"; this is a problem with apps needing to be updated with permissions to write to the SD card...not a limitation of 4.4)
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4] mikeneff2006:
hah hah very very true God Damn Verizon sucks.:good