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[Galaxy S 5 General] sonyfan12:
Together with oversaturation disappears rosiness
[Galaxy S 5 General] azsamsancho:
Sorry, not sure I understand your comment
[Galaxy S 5 General] lingowistico:
I think he meant that "oversaturation & rosiness" is fixed in Alpha's camera software.
[Galaxy S 5 General] azsamsancho:
I see. So, we need to wait until Alpha is released and someone extracts it for us?
[Galaxy S 5 General] lingowistico:
Either that or an official samsung update for our phone.
[Galaxy S 5 General] sonyfan12:
I mean that on this comparison in addition to the oversaturation disappeared rosiness

http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=55000005&postcount=678
[Galaxy S 5 General] sonyfan12:
more

s5

http://cdn.gsmarena.com/vv/reviewsimg/samsung-galaxy-s5/review/camera/gsmarena_003.jpg

alpha

http://cdn.gsmarena.com/vv/reviewsimg/samsung-galaxy-alpha/review/camera/gsmarena_002.jpg

s5

http://cdn.gsmarena.com/vv/reviewsimg/samsung-galaxy-s5/review/camera/gsmarena_002.jpg

alpha

http://galaxy-droid.ru/uploads/posts/2014-08/1408099454_samsung-galaxy-alpha-camera-samples6.jpg

s5

http://cdn.gsmarena.com/vv/reviewsimg/samsung-galaxy-s5/review/camera/gsmarena_005.jpg

alpha

http://cdn.gsmarena.com/vv/reviewsimg/samsung-galaxy-alpha/review/camera/gsmarena_007.jpg

s5

http://cdn.gsmarena.com/vv/reviewsimg/samsung-galaxy-s5/review/camera/gsmarena_001.jpg

alpha

http://cdn.gsmarena.com/vv/reviewsimg/samsung-galaxy-alpha/review/camera/gsmarena_003.jpg
[Galaxy S 5 General] azsamsancho:
You cannot compare them like that. Unless the shots are right after another and from the same exact spot and angle, it does not count. let alone that the S5 photos are from the winter when trees had no leaves and the sun was not as strong. the Alpha photos are from summer time, brighter sun etc.
[Galaxy S 5 General] msavic6:
http://imgur.com/zCgt1vP
[Galaxy S 5 General] bala_gamer:
Great review [MENTION=4890367]BoneXDA[/MENTION]
[Galaxy S 5 General] hmmzwtf:
Wow beautiful pictures, at first I thought these where made with an professional camera!!

I also notice the high quality with my pictures here.

I forgot it could record ultraHD, thanks for the heads up, as I can use 4K at the next new years recording ;):D
[Galaxy S 5 General] sonyfan12:
sony sensors is very bad
[Galaxy S 5 General] sonyfan12:
http://www.phonearena.com/news/Came...hat-to-expect-from-the-Note-4-shooter_id60029

first non samsung isocell smartphone
[Galaxy S 5 General] Speed_Br:
Some more pictures:

Crop
[Galaxy S 5 General] sonyfan12:
Comparisons

http://www.mobile-review.com/review/lenovo-vibe-z2.shtml#s7

http://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_galaxy_alpha_vs_one_mini_2-review-1137p9.php

http://xdaforums.com/xperia-z2/general/white-balance-t2870875
[Galaxy S 5 General] sonyfan12:
rosiness, blueness and oversaturation not fixed in alpha

http://www.androidcentral.com/samsung-galaxy-alpha-vs-iphone-6
[Galaxy S 5 General] Kriomag:
Android 5.0

New camera firmware:

CamFW ver : F16QLGB00VB

Phone FW ver : F16QLHF01VB
[Galaxy S 5 General] mychalek:
Great review !

Galaxy S5 has very good camera - photos in evening looks amazing !
[Galaxy S 5 General] qav:
From what you people know already, the S5 (Isocell) camera is better than the Note 4 one? (Sony Exmor RS IMX-240)
[Galaxy S 5 General] msavic6:
The sensor in the Note 4 is an improvement over the sensor in the S5.

It handles higher ISO values much better and improves low light capabilities all while maintaining the same great dynamic range found in the ISOCELL sensor.

There is a reason Samsung decided to opt for the Sony sensor vs. It's own in house sensor.
[Galaxy S 5 General] bsweetness:
Yep. Having owned both, the Note 4 takes better pictures more often, particularly in low light. The OIS really helps out there but the Sony sensor does as well.

The S5 is certainly no slouch though. It takes tremendous shots.
[Galaxy S 5 General] Blue1k:
I wish the Note 4 had phase detection auto focus. That is one advantage of the Isocell sensor
[Galaxy S 5 General] msavic6:
Phase Detection is not a feature solely reserved to Samsung's ISOCELL sensor. The iPhone 6 Plus has phase detect auto focus and I'm pretty certain the Note 4 also has phase detect auto focus. It is noticeably quicker to take a shot than the S5 in certain scenarios and equally as fast in others.
[Galaxy S 5 General] qav:
I have tested today my G901F (sony exmor RS IMX-240) side by side with a G900F (Samsung Isocell) and working with both simultaneously the G901F is a bit faster (focus)in low light and almost the same as G900F in good lighting conditions.

edit: no idea if this happens because the IMX-240 also have phase detection or because of other parameters inside the sensor though...
[Galaxy S 5 General] jstoner:
How about video recording under good and low light conditions? What's your opinion there?

I am a bit confused looking at those samples. From what I can tell, the IMX240 outshines the ISOCELL in both good and low light. But stange thing is that the S5 sample seems slightly inferior even compared to its own twin brother (S5 Active) which hosts the very same sensor :eek:
[Galaxy S 5 General] qav:
Unfortunately i do not have the g900f here anymore. Just my g901f. So i can't make the lowlight video comparison yet.
[Galaxy S 5 General] jstoner:
It would be interesting to see what the gap would be (if any!), because the IMX240 hosted in Note 4 enjoys the added benefit of the IOS - so a direct comparison between those two wouldn't be fair.

Hence the need for G900F vs G901F...

No worries QAV - someone here must have some experiance on both..I m sure they will let us know :)
[Galaxy S 5 General] Ramsey:
This ISOCELL camera on the S5 seems to be good in specs but my results are that it is really bad. I moved to an S5 from the Find 7a and the camera on the S5 is terrible unless you're in full day-light with sun. Anything else is an oil-paint. I love the phone but Samsung did a terrible job in camera software. Way too much sharpness, contrast, and noise reduction.

My galaxy S1 takes better and more natural pictures if anything (of course at 5 MP). The S4 was also better. Obviously the Find 7a is way better in that field.

We need a good camera mod if anyone knows of one that works.

I'm disappointed that Samsung took out the camera API from Lollipop - the one that supports manual controls and RAW.

I have a DSLR but I'd like my S5 to at least take normal shots when I'm out without my DSLR.
[Galaxy S 5 General] jstoner:
I am mostly interested in video recording - don't care much about photos.

Seems that under low-light, the Find 7 does little better that the S5 - according to this. Elsewhere the S5 is superior. I would be more interested to know how does the S5 Plus (G901F) copes with the Sony IMX240 sensor that replaced the ISOCELL in that model (same as in Note 4, but without the IOS)

Having read quite a few on the topic, I would agree that yes, there is some overprocessing on the images captured by the S5, but other than that, the camera is pretty solid overall (with low-light been its weak point)
[Galaxy S 5 General] Ramsey:
Under low light and day light the Find 7a is mostly better. I have both phones so the comparison reviews don't matter much to me anymore. The S5 can be nice in day light but not as natural as the Find 7a, especially foliage (grass, trees, etc.). The LED flash is better on the S5. The Find 7a really shines when you use its 50 MP Ultra HD mode which drastically improves the quality of pictures and looks like the Lumia 1020 (not when you zoom in to 50MP but half of that and such).

S5 has superior video recording so that works out great for you, I just wish Samsung can add an icon to enable/disable flash during video like with the Find 7a.

To be honest I am sure the ISOCELL camera is capable of more, but Samsung isn't doing a good job optimizing it.

This year Sony will release a new sensor so let's hope that one does a better job.

Even the Note 4 doesn't do that good of a job. Something is really wrong when you zoom in to 100% with both the S5 and Note 4, you can see lots of oversharpening and missing information and it confuses me that Samsung isn't realizing that to do something about it.
[Galaxy S 5 General] jstoner:
Are you referring to image or video here? I believe video (with adequate light) is very good. Don't know about accuracy, but the video comparison tool of that website is good enough for comparing relevance amongst different models.
[Galaxy S 5 General] - [ D.I.E.S.E.L ] -:
Amazing Topic (Y) keep it up
[Galaxy S 5 General] Ramsey:
Sorry, referring to image there.
[Galaxy S 5 General] igorvfx:
Camera2 API android 5.0

Hi friends, is there any app that is possible to take pictures in RAW (DNG) using the galaxy s5 with lollipop? I tried using the L Camera project app , it installs however does not work on galaxy s5.

I tried also the camera camera fv5 and he says that the device does not support DNG files

Anyone know anything about the camera2 API for galaxy S5
[Galaxy S 5 General] Kriomag:
Yes, samsung has not implemented camera2 api.
[Galaxy S 5 General] sommesepino:
In your opinion, will it be implemented in the future updates? I'm..... Confused. lol
[Galaxy S 5 General] Kriomag:
in my opinon no... if they wanted us to have such control over camera they would have already made this possible... i think only nexus series will have this option.
[Galaxy S 5 General] sommesepino:
Damn. My hope was to set shutter speed, because in my opinion isocell is a great sensor. The developer of fv 5 camera also said me api 2 camera weren't activated by Samsung and MAYBE, with future updates, could have been implemented. Even if Samsung doesn't develope a camera app with manual control..... The only unlock of these api could allow the development of third part app
[Galaxy S 5 General] griffin_1:
I dont get why samsung didnt implement the new api,even if they dont make a app for it - which they should . Honestly the camera has been a disapointment and it could use all the help it can get, so they should implement the new api.
[Galaxy S 5 General] cainn24:
Send them some feedback about it via their website. I did. And encourage everyone who agrees with you to do the same. I'm not saying we can change the world, but even a blip on the radar is better than no blip at all when it comes to the development effort vs demand equation. If it's no big deal for them to implement the camera 2 API they might just do it even if the demand is relatively small. But they have to see at least some demand. And again, that's where we come in.
[Galaxy S 5 General] griffin_1:
Oh i didnt know we could leave feedback for them. I will do that and hope more people do. At least we can say we trident do something about it and who knows, they might even listening and do it
[Galaxy S 5 General] cainn24:
In addition to emailing them and getting a canned reply which I've now responded to in a somewhat persistent manner, I have posted about the issue on a couple of other forums in an effort to generate at least a small ripple of consumer dissatisfaction. I've also started a thread here with a few links in it that you might be interested in (and might want to provide to Samsung if you initially get a canned response about certain phones not supporting certain new Lollipop features or some such nonsense like I initially did). Don't let them brush you off and close the enquiry. Insist that your feature request be passed along to someone who appreciates what it is that you're asking for, but do it nicely ;)
[Galaxy S 5 General] griffin_1:
Is there a department or Samsung from a certain country that has more "power" to get this message? Or you just sent it to customer support?

More people should write to them and compain about the lack of implementation on this. To be honest, i don't know if they will care or implement it for the s5 and they really should cause this camera is kinda of a let down, but they have the s6 almost here and they probably only care about the s6.

Something that annoys me on Samsung is that they don't pay attention to models released earlier in the year and port some feature over. For example, the note 4 has some new camera modes and a feature to use heart rate monitor as a shutter released, which is useful mostly for selfies, but still, it would be nice from samsung to update the s5 camera to have that. Same with some modes from one generation to other. Htc implemented new camera features when they released their desire eye and made an update for m8 users available with the modes also. Samsung should do the same..But im getting out of topic here lol But the new camera api shouldn't have been left out
[Galaxy S 5 General] Robsa:
kriomag I am assuming you mean that Samsung have just not utilised the api for the lollipop camera app, which it doesn't. The Camera 2 api is still available to be used by other vendors on the galaxy S5 as I understand it? Is this right, or do you have evidence that the whole api has been left out?
[Galaxy S 5 General] Kriomag:
as far as i know from testing differnet camera apps and reading whole google about this... its like s5 doesnt have this new camera2 api implemented even for other camera apps :( i was counting on this feature so badly... i am disappointed
[Galaxy S 5 General] KillerWays:
What are the settings to take photos like the ones in the first page ?
[Galaxy S 5 General] tommy_vercetti:
ips and tricks

- Do multiple shots of the same subject, a good momentum or less handshake can later be selected out of the many

- HDR is one tap away, so do one with and without it, some shots look better with high contrast, others benefit from HDR

- In low light with movement, you have to use LED flash without stability, cause high ISO and longer shutter will not capture these moments with good detail

- In low light with stationary subject however, use stability, optionally LED, no HDR cause of noise. With enough lights you may try using ISO800 with darker results but more details. Much will depend on the amount of available light

- use voice commands to avoid tap-shake, hold the phone steady with two hands, optionally use a monopod

- try and use the photo Modes, some will do fancy images, others come handy like Sport mode to capture fast movement

- between Panorama and Surround Shot, I prefer the latter, cause it captures surroundings vertically too, so result won't be an overly wide image. The trick with photospheres is to not be close to the surrounding objects and have the camera lens in the absolute middle in space, and move the phone and yourself around that spot as the take the sphere images

- try alternative apps if they are better for you: CameraZoom FX, Focal, Google Camera etc. Camera Zoom FX allows 1/10 exposure and ISO1600 manually

- be aware not to cover the top and bottom microphones during video shoot. Best image quality comes from 4k, but image stabilization, 60FPS or HDR only works with 1080p, again best to test all these and later use the one best suited for you or the scene

- use AirView in Gallery, and try out Studio options for your recordings

- bring a power bank with longer photography tours cause a lot of camera usage and 100% brightness eats the battery quickly
[Galaxy S 5 General] cainn24:
From the Camera FV-5 FAQ:

Q - I have Android 5 Lollipop, but I cannot see none of the cool features announced for Android 5 (manual focus, RAW, manual exposure time...).

A - Camera FV-5 requires that the phone actually implements those features. Android 5 Lollipop (the OS) brings the possibility for manufacturers to implement those features, and applications to implement those. However, Google left all these features optional for manufacturers, and most of them that are currently updating their existing phones to Lollipop are not implementing them in order to rush an update to the market. From the equation, Camera FV-5 implements everything needed to use those features, Android Lollipop brings developers the possibility implement those features, but if you are not able to use them is because your manufacturer didn't actually implement their part on their devices: RAW support requires the manufacturer to update the camera driver (for instance).

http://www.camerafv5.com/faq.php#lollipop-camera2
[Galaxy S 5 General] jstoner:
Guys

I have been trying to draw some conclusions on the video recording capabilities of the ISOCELL (e.g. G900F and the S5 Active) vs the latest Sony sensor IMX240 (e.g. G901F, Note 4). I am only talking video capabilities here!

Samples here are from the G900F and S5 Active (ISOCELL) and Note 4 (IMX240). I would have liked to see samples from the G901F (as it lacks IOS compared to the Note 4) but I think that doesn't affect the samples there anyway, as I think they are using a tripod (so the phone is steady whilst shooting)

Good light - winner ISOCELL

Just look at the colours captured by the ISOCELL compared to the ones from the Sony sensor! Also the detail in some areas is superior. Especially the grass area captured by the Sony sensor looks blurry compared to the one captured by the Samsung sensor. In contrast, some detail captured by Sony in certain areas - the rib details on the wall background - is somewhat better than in the sample captured by the Samsung.

Low light - winner IMX240

Here is where the Sony sensor seems to be strong. Colours are a little washed out, but still better than those captured by Samsung (very dark). It also seems to retain more crispness/detail in areas that are completely left out by the ISOCELL.

ISO chart - winner???

Not sure, what's going on here, but seems that the G900F didn't resolve YELLOW at all.

Does anyone have come across more video samples of those two great sensors (ISOCELL vs IMX240)? I mean, you can't just say "my phone shoots better video in low-light" you need a proper side-by-side comparison, under the *exact* same conditions, in order to draw a reliable conclusion from.
[Galaxy S 5 General] sommesepino:
Hey guys,i saw uk lollipop is based on a different build (from the Poland rom). Has anyone tried it? Maybe there are new features about camera (hoping XD)
[Galaxy S 5 General] Kriomag:
no new features...
[Galaxy S 5 General] griffin_1:
Is there any change in overall image quality? Or in focusing? I have some issues with focus and the recent firmware didn't really solve them but maybe there was some improvement with lollipop. I just hope they implement the new api in a future update
[Galaxy S 5 General] Ramsey:
Guys! I finally found a camera app that removes the extreme noise reduction!!

The quality of my pictures are really good now, both day and low light. Very crisp but there is lots of noise in lower light, and I don't mind at all (unless it's very low light then you will mind lol but then you won't shoot without flash anyway because there is no slow shutter). I reduced sharpness to 2 (out of 6) and that reduced the amount of noise but also the sharpness a bit.

It's called Snap Camera HDR and has been around for a while, I used to it in the past with other phones but now it has improved a lot. So much in fact that when you go to "More" and enable advanced settings, you can enable "Zero shutter lag" which acts like the normal Samsung camera app where you shoot instantly (no other Third Party camera app can do that as far as I know on our Galaxy S5s - probably due to bad optimization). That app has lots and lots of options and is one of those apps that you need if you love shooting pictures and videos on your S5. To be honest I really disliked the S5 camera optimization until now, phew, I was considering trading with an M8, G3, or Z3, but not anymore. Even pictures taken with flash are much better now and more natural.

It also has the manual modes but we can't use them until Samsung adds the API in lollipop (I think.. someone should test this in lollipop, I'm using Kitkat stock).

Shots are now around 9-11 mb lol! but worth it! You can use Image Optimizer to compress them down to 1-2.5 mb on your phone. Or another image compression app on your PC.

If you like the noise reduction then Snap Camera also has a "Denoise" settings (After enabling advanced settings) that gives you the same results as the official Samsung app, no thanks lol, but good for comparisons.

It also opens a little faster than stock app, weird.

Oh and even the front camera is much better now thanks to the removed noise reduction.
[Galaxy S 5 General] sommesepino:
I tried it, but I've noticed a bug using flash. I can't take a pictures with a flash
[Galaxy S 5 General] Kriomag:
Wow, big THX! i used freeDCam to take pictures without denoise filter but it is highly unstable - this Snap Camera has this option too and it is stable and nice looking! wow i cant wait to test it outdoor tomorrow :D
[Galaxy S 5 General] Ramsey:
That's strange, on my S5 the flash in Snap camera is excellent, no problems there. I'm using model 900W8. Try posting on the xda thread of the dev.

It works great outdoors, more natural results than stock, though stock did an ok job, this one takes it further with much crispier results where you can see more details.
[Galaxy S 5 General] sommesepino:
The problem is this : when i try to shoot with flash,it saves pictures as it was been made without flash -. -
[Galaxy S 5 General] Ramsey:
Did you try uninstalling the app, rebooting, and then reinstalling it? what version are you using?

I'm using 6.2.0.
[Galaxy S 5 General] sommesepino:
Into the store there is only the 5.4. 0 version
[Galaxy S 5 General] Ramsey:
On xda, the dev has his beta versions posted.

Link here: http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=2055140
[Galaxy S 5 General] sommesepino:
How can i download it?
[Galaxy S 5 General] Ramsey:
It's at the end of the first post.

Snap_release_6.2.0.apk
[Galaxy S 5 General] jstoner:
Sorry for 'spamming' - anyone happen to have any thoughts on this? I mean the G901F has been around for a while, so someone must have some idea of how the camera compares to the one from the ordinary S5 (G900F). All I can find is reviews comparing the camera from the G900 vs the Note 4 (which has the same sensor as the G901F). But it's a different phone, so I guess there's bound to be some difference. I m only interested in video (good & low light conditions).

Anyone, please share your thoughs...
[Galaxy S 5 General] jstoner:
It's is most likely that the S6 will carry the very same sensor with the G901F (which lacks IOS). With some tweaks in the lens and software of course.

I m begining to think that the G901F was the 'guinea-pig' for the Note 4 and S6 as far as the new sensor implementation is concerned.

Only thing that remains to be seen is whether Samsung will actually spend some time supporting the IMX240 of the G901F. Or will they just abandon it?
[Galaxy S 5 General] sommesepino:
I'm not an expert, but in my opinion the improvement of quality pictures could be done only with new api 2 camera, on every kind of sensor. Latest rumors say galaxy 's 6 will have the same sensor of note 4 (Sony ) but with a full manual camera mode.
[Galaxy S 5 General] TheEndHK:
I think it won't cut off the OIS on S6. The reason on S5 LTE-A IMX240 removed OIS because if only this model of S5 got OIS then the reset of S5 worldwide probably would not be sell out again because all will only buy one with OIS.
[Galaxy S 5 General] jstoner:
That's probably why Samsung went this way, but I still believe only few realise (and actually 'care') about those specs. If you take the average customer, all they know is 'S5', 'Note 4', 'S6'. Maybe they know its got a quad-core CPU, but that's about it. As for the camera, it would all look the same to them: 16MP. I don't think the average customer gives a toss about the actual sensor/lens in use by a particular phone...

If you look on various auction/advert sites, they even list the G901F as 'S5'. That's because probably they can't even tell the difference.

So it's a good job that a small portion (us) can delve a little deeper into such details - that make a difference.