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[Galaxy S 5 General] BoneXDA:
Excellent, thx!

Uploaded a couple of 100% crops, must say while white balance is spot on, level of detail is better than expected. Still not super sharp, but not over-processed either (some of he darker scenes may have more jpeg compression than ideal though). Not on the Lumia's level in darkness. but much better than the previous Galaxies. Overall, very solid camera results. Click on the images for full size!

100% crop, outdoors daylight

Indoors, limited light

Low light, ISO800

Low light with flash
[Galaxy S 5 General] BoneXDA:
Does the Galaxy S5 have Lumia-like zoom?

With fixed focal length, smartphone cameras can't do optical zooming, so they digitally zoom into sensor pixels, upscaling results. For photos that is, for videos however, the ISP usually takes 1920x1080 (or 4k) frames, and zooms into that 1080p or 4k resolution. So 4x zoom (= 1/16th of the frame) will deliver ugly results due to the low pixel count (1/16th of 1080p or 4k). The PureView Nokias however use all available sensor pixels when zooming in videos, not just cutting into 1080p, so zoom results are much more detailed.. And it appears the Galaxy S5 does that too!

This is the full 1080p frame taken from the mobile-review video sample (click)

And this is a 4x zoom frame, and it has pretty high amount of detail, it's safe to assume that about 1/16th of the 16 sensor megapixels, in other words, 1 million pixels

In most smartphones however 4x zoom would look like this (16th of 1080p frame upscaled, this image was made by me)

This is the zoomed frame compared to the full frame.

It appears like the Lumias, the S5 does video zooming using all sensor pixels. Better yet, since the S5 16MP sensor is 16:9, all 16MPs are in use when recording video, so you can safely zoom and still get sharp results.
[Galaxy S 5 General] dandroid13:
New Galaxy S5 camera samples test the 16 MP sensor, compare it with the Galaxy S4, Lumia 1520, and Note 3

EDIT: Check the comments section. :eek:
[Galaxy S 5 General] BoneXDA:
Haha, the Phonearena troll section. :good:

Thx, some nice further photos from Russia, how do they always get these phones so early?
[Galaxy S 5 General] plasmastate:
Guys. It is a little improvement over S4 and note 3. Nothing special or groundbreaking in terms of low light. Images look even softer than my GS4. And please dont compare it with a lumia 1520 and call S5 a winner. I know we all like samsung here but lets not get biased to the point of being blind. Really was expecting something big from ISO cell. What a disappointment :(. Still waiting for more hdr iphone5s vs S5 comparison though.
[Galaxy S 5 General] :
It was the reviewer Eldar Murtazin (spelling?) who said this, not us. And to a point I agree. The 1520 does weird coloring often and that ends up ruining plenty of shots. Sharpness and low light I agree with you about. And I am as far from a Samsung fan as you can find. I still want to see whether I should consider the S5 or not :)
[Galaxy S 5 General] Super Chimp:
16 Million Pixels - ISOCELL camera & user photo discussion - SAMPLES IN!

My old GS3 had pretty good performance in daylight but was shockingly bad in low light it and it was virtually impossible to get a non-blurry image with it. My recently deceased Lumia 920 was far better in this respect.

I am not so interested in how it does against something like the 5S but how it compares to the iPhone 6, Find 7, Z2 & the new HTC One.
[Galaxy S 5 General] :
Z2 is the only one you'll be able to compare to within the next month or so. After that maybe the One and a bit later than that the Find 7. And you are looking at closer to 6 months to compare against the iPhone 6. I want my phone to have a decent or maybe even a good camera but I realise that if I'm constantly waiting for the better one I'll just always be waiting.

The Z3 and Note 4 are coming at fall and those are the devices you should be comparing with the iPhone 6.
[Galaxy S 5 General] BoneXDA:
I don't see how scrolling through the thread and reading the Google Translated version of the Mobile-Review article and you can call the S5 camera a disappointment, or claim that the 1520 made better photos in that article. It didn't, oddly white balance and sharpness was off expectations with the Lumia, and the S5 was spot on on almost all areas. The absolute night shots go to the Lumias, no surprise there, larger sensor & OIS, but indoors limited light on the S5 is pretty big improvement (especially WB), and outdoors is close to Exmors, bit softer but bit better color representation.

The most important thing however, so reviewers claim, is the snappiness and reliability of the S5 cam. Let's face it: if speed and snap/good shot ratio counts, the iPhones are still the best, very fast and reliable, the Lumias make the best photos but slower, the S4, Z2 etc. always had to be manually tweaked for desired results. It appears that the S5 focus is instantaneous, live HDR gives very good representation of end results, and it just gets the scene right more often that your Android average. This is a major step forward.

Anyways, I'll be posting all the stuff I find to see the S5's weaknesses ass well as strength, so don't go anywhere. :good:
[Galaxy S 5 General] Super Chimp:
I wonder why Samsung didn't include OIS on the S5 camera.
[Galaxy S 5 General] BoneXDA:
As far as I know they couldn't manufacture enough small ones fitting for the thin profile. OIS will most likely debut in the Note 3, possibly full ISOCELL features as well (I think the S5 still has a 4:3 sensor, but uses only a 16:9 part of it).
[Galaxy S 5 General] system.img:
*Note 4

I don't think S5 has a 4:3 sensor.

If 16:9 is captured at 16MP, then 4:3 would have much higher MP count and they could have marketed it as a higher MP sensor using the 4:3 ratio.
[Galaxy S 5 General] Pako7:
you know what will be released sgs5 zoom with 19Mp sensor (5184*3888 - it's 4:3) ? ;)
[Galaxy S 5 General] BoneXDA:
Haha, sorry, the Note 4 of course. I have no evidence of actual sensor shape, but since Samsung announced to release the 16MP ISOCELL sensor in Q2 and the 20MP one in Q3, and the Samsung presentation showed a 4:3 sensor overlaid with a 16:9 PDAF module, it would seem logical to think that the 16MP one is merely a 16:9 cutdown of the full 20MP 4:3 one, math is up for it. I'd go out and even say it could be a yield issue, 20@4:3 is just not ready for mass production.

This is in line with my lens observations. Since the S5 sensor has a larger sensor width than the Note 3, meaning it has a larger lens as well, it has a larger field of view too horizontally. Vertically however the 4:3 Note 3 fits in more. The 20MP one would have a larger FOV all around.

Yes, it's very "suspicious", could be the first device having the full 4:3 20MP ISOCELL. Resolution width is telling...
[Galaxy S 5 General] Pako7:
if the sensor is the same, then I think we can patch to remove the restriction from 16:9 to 4:3

Remaining get the SGS5 firmware to find out everything :)
[Galaxy S 5 General] BoneXDA:
I doubt that. Even if it's indeed a 4:3 sensor (which is only my theory without evidence), the ISP and the camera SW still reads 16MPs and the PDAF element is physically restricted to 16:9.
[Galaxy S 5 General] Pako7:
Will be day - will be food.. will look at the firmware
[Galaxy S 5 General] dandroid13:
GS5 full review with GS4 camera comparison (in russian): http://hi-tech.mail.ru/review/misc/Samsung_GALAXY_S5-rev.html
[Galaxy S 5 General] msavic6:
That comparison is a little disheartening to me, the S5 seems to have quite bit of noise in low light pictures which makes the images fairly unusable and not really competitive with oyher flagship devices in this regard. In comparison with the S4, it seems the S4 is sharper in a couple of images and overall the image seems like it isn't focused correctly on the S5, everything seems kind of soft.

I won't base my final judgment on this review since it is still a pre-release device but im hoping something was either wrong with the device they tested or the pre-release software is causing some issues in image quality.
[Galaxy S 5 General] BoneXDA:
There's simply nothing to do in darkness on a tiny mobile sensor, number of photons getting through is just not enough. The Lumia 1020 shines where it has a 2,5x larger sensor + OIS (which could help here for longer exposure), but all of these tiny sensors face the same issues. Mind you big city lights can be a dozen times brighter than a dark suburban street, so realistic expectation is getting white balance right, not everything sharp.

Indoors it just shines, the S5 is a big step forward in white balance and details are satisfactory

Source, full size: http://hi-tech.mail.ru/review/misc/Samsung_GALAXY_S5-rev.html
[Galaxy S 5 General] dandroid13:
So basically it means an OIS camera will always get better pics in low light? But what about other conditions?
[Galaxy S 5 General] BoneXDA:
OIS helps stabilizing the camera system for longer exposure, yes, it'll help, although if there's movement in the background, the longer the exposure the more the motion blur.

Other conditions are consistent with the results so far seen in the thread.
[Galaxy S 5 General] Pako7:
you have seen that they are washed and bathed him? Maybe that's the problem? ;)

Naturally for a real snapshot comparison is better to use a release device on which the camera firmware is already sufficiently licked.. waiting
[Galaxy S 5 General] hung2900:
One thing I dont know is that I always use night mode or at least HDR for indoor or night photos, but reviews rarely show.

But at least we can see that the new ISOCELL cam model cannot handle high ISO as good as Sony EXMOR RS. It is a new tech and needs time to be developed.
[Galaxy S 5 General] williamsf1:
Next comparison with Lumia 1020

http://pureviewclub.com/2014/21992
[Galaxy S 5 General] BoneXDA:
True, ISOCELL increases noise more visibly with faster ISO, it's tolerable around ISO800, but dark night shots at ISO2000 are very soft. ISO2000 is also very soft on the S4/N3 though, but at least they have Night Mode, oddly missing here. Someone needs to test S5 HDR at night.

Some of the blame is on Samsung capping shutter speed around 1/17s. 1/8 could be held with steady hands, but for stability Sammy SW prefers faster shutter. No word if you can manually go as slow as 1/5. 1/3, 1/2, 1s etc., with smart stabilization it could bring significantly more light to the sensor, we'll see.
[Galaxy S 5 General] yahyoh:
i think the processing it self that Samsung use in what they call "low light mode" sucks it seems try to take fast shutter pic with HDR and some crappy processing which kinda make the image look like oil paint with no details at all :(

i wish they've used OIS which can fix all those problems :/
[Galaxy S 5 General] BoneXDA:
In a little discouraging news, Samsung may have problems producing enough ISOCELL units, which could delay or limit launch stock capacity. That doesn't stop however test units reaching reviewers, these are some random samples from Bulgaria:

Source, full size: http://news.smartphone.bg/novini/na...na-samsung-galaxy-s5-kachestvoto-e-prekrasno/
[Galaxy S 5 General] Pako7:
It's good but why they upload again only HDR ?? Where original image ? :mad:

this does not apply to you BoneXDA ;)
[Galaxy S 5 General] BoneXDA:
I... don't understand you guys.

A few technical shots from smartphone.bg, testing aliasing, color reproduction, aberrations and details in controlled environment

Source, full size: http://news.smartphone.bg/review/revyu-na-samsung-galaxy-s5-noviyat-vodach-na-smartfon-pazara/

ISO 12233 test chart (click)

Level of details under controlled light (click)

Color chart, S5 result and compared to original
[Galaxy S 5 General] Pako7:
:highfive: I say that the Bulgarians (and not only they) spread HDR-images, as they are processed and heavily greased. Why they do not put the original pictures - they are the highest quality
[Galaxy S 5 General] BoneXDA:
"The Bulgarians" posted a bunch of other pictures too.
[Galaxy S 5 General] Pako7:
yes.. only 1-2 original shots (Metering Mode - Center-weighted average) and all the rest - HDR (Metering Mode - Multi-segment)
[Galaxy S 5 General] dandroid13:
You know what's funny? They gave the GS5 camera a 8.8

and a 8.9 to the GS4.

:eek:
[Galaxy S 5 General] noideaforusername:
It's relative to the smartphones currently in the market, so a 8.8 today couldn't be compared to 8.9 from last year.
[Galaxy S 5 General] msavic6:
Thats a little hard to fathom considering the S5 and Oppo Find 7 are pretty much the only "new" devices released in 2014 so far and they haven't even tested the latter.
[Galaxy S 5 General] noideaforusername:
You are right, I should have wrote the current smartphone expectations. They are expecting to see a drastic change and for their expectations the GS4 met their expectations better (0.1 score :p) than the GS5 did.
[Galaxy S 5 General] omersak:
Many new samples and comparisons here:

http://www.eprice.com.cn/mobile/talk/124/4529531/1/1/0/2/0

http://www.eprice.com.cn/mobile/talk/4918/4529768/1/

Quite a few visible artifacts when viewed 1:1 but the metering and white-balance are always spot on. Wish it had OIS. Will still probably be the best camera on an android phone.
[Galaxy S 5 General] BoneXDA:
Thx for the link, Omersak! It appears the S5 has a "Night Mode" after all, only you get the improved results by choosing "Stability Mode".

In each of the following pairs the original shot was taken with stability OFF, then ON. You may click on the images to see full size, look for exposure and clarity improvements, particularly on small text on boards:

Source, full size: http://www.eprice.com.cn/mobile/talk/4918/4529768/1/1/0/4/0

This is pretty good news, cause in good and moderate light the S5 produces excellent shots, and while white balance was spot on in low light (major improvement), we've already seen high ISO causing a lot of softness. For example the "fence" and "bathroom" first shots were taken at ISO2000, with a lot of loss of detail, and fairly dark results. However with Stability Mode (maybe taking multiple shots like Night Mode or HDR), it captures much more details and brighter details as well...

So for low light, Stability Mode is the way to go.
[Galaxy S 5 General] hung2900:
This one is the most important thing MOST reviews ignore. I always use the low light mode or so-called Stability Mode on my Galaxies. I tried HTC One and LG G2 low light mode but no where near the improvement of Samsung's mode. That's why I almost never shoot any picture in low light w/o this one.

One thing I doubt is whether we can use the "Stability Mode" and "HDR auto mode" at the same time on S5? It would be great if available.

In general, I love the color on GS5's samples, simply the best on the martket. However, I am quite disappointed with the dynamic range of non-HDR photo. I thought that ISOCELL even w/o HDR can solve the problem of light better, but no change. The extremely heavy noise reduction in low light also kills the photo with terrible softness. I would rather choose a noisier pic than a no-detail pic.
[Galaxy S 5 General] BoneXDA:
No need for using Night Mode and HDR, since both compile multiple images into one. I suspect stability mode in low light does the same.

There's nothing to be done about the softness over ISO1000, it's something that just happens with small sensors I'm afraid, still, results are usable for about 2k resolution. In the end, it's more important to get focus and white balance right for this lower resolution than produce something sharper, out of focus or messed up in colors. So far so good on that front...
[Galaxy S 5 General] malybru:
Mod Edit

Thread cleaned.

Please stop the bickering.

Thank you

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[Galaxy S 5 General] hung2900:
Nope. HDR on GS5 is different. It is based on the different exxposure of each camera's pixel, not combining different photo

From the "stability mode" photos on S5, I can see clearly the difference compared to the HDR photos in low-light.
[Galaxy S 5 General] BoneXDA:
You're right. My point was: it still combines multiple information per capture area, but pixel-level HDR makes more sense. :good:
[Galaxy S 5 General] Pako7:
imho :

for night - Stability Mode

for bad light - HDR Mode

for excellent light - standart mode (Metering Mode - Any (Center-weighted average and etc.) except Multi-segment)
[Galaxy S 5 General] BoneXDA:
A few scenes that could trick white balance, S5 normal mode (no HDR or stability mode)

Source, full size: http://www.eprice.com.cn/mobile/talk/4918/4529768/1/1/0/1/0
[Galaxy S 5 General] BoneXDA:
From lowyat.com Galaxy S5 review

Source, full size: http://www.lowyat.net/2014/03/revie...d-to-fix-samsungs-botched-plastic-reputation/
[Galaxy S 5 General] hung2900:
Why do I have an idea that Samsung has tried to make the dynamic range of normal auto shot worse to make the HDR pics more attractive? Why are non-HDR photos so dark?

Anyway, if the new HDR mode can capture photo quick enough, I think I will let it be the default mode.
[Galaxy S 5 General] Pako7:
you saw how HDR-mode blurs the picture? Oh no .. it's better is the default mode without HDR. Well then write a patch for this
[Galaxy S 5 General] Apoxx:
I'm impressed by some of these pictures.

I was considering the One (M8) or the Z2, but since both of them use the same camera as the last generation, I'm leaning more and more towards the Samsung.
[Galaxy S 5 General] hung2900:
I don't understand, I haven't seen any photo that HDR-mode blurs the picture

This one is the indoor HDR

Outdoor with heavily against the light

http://cdn.recombu.com/mobile/images/phones/1328/1394135793.png

http://cdn.recombu.com/mobile/images/phones/1328/1394135848.png

And samples in post #1 and post #11 also.
[Galaxy S 5 General] leoaudio13:
Here is some examples for HDR low light and medium lighting :
[Galaxy S 5 General] Pako7:
I saw.. crop - no_HDR | HDR

I do not want to say that HDR - it's bad. In some cases, to get the

overall

(without the use crop) picture quality, it is better to use it. But at good and excellent lighting I would use the standard mode
[Galaxy S 5 General] hung2900:
I agree with the first one, but not the latter.

But anyway I prefer better dynamic range over the detail, and the difference here is still acceptable.
[Galaxy S 5 General] Pako7:
but for me sometimes preferable pixel detail.. I hope the software applet settings allow you to enjoy those as well as other methods
[Galaxy S 5 General] BoneXDA:
Awesome, thank you! :good:

Can you compare a normal shot with Stability Mode too? Stability Mode should give the best results in low light.
[Galaxy S 5 General] leoaudio13:
Here you go :

ALL FUNCTIONS OFF :

HDR OFF - STABL.ON :

HDR ON - STABL.OFF:

Focus point is on the cracker's plastic jar!

---------- Post added at 12:43 AM ---------- Previous post was at 12:42 AM ----------

Awwwwww Crap! I forgot to rotate :)) I've noticed the pictures are not right ( perhaps the cam didnt quite capture the right light :P ... these might be inaccurate, just a quick comparision. I'll do more maybe tomorrow when I have better light and objects to test :) )
[Galaxy S 5 General] BoneXDA:
The photos are good, thank you! Stability mode definitely wins the low-light contest.
[Galaxy S 5 General] CLARiiON:
^^

There's a total change in white balance! How's that?
[Galaxy S 5 General] leoaudio13:
I think i post the wrong pic for the 2nd pic hahha
[Galaxy S 5 General] Pako7:
Please use the same scene for comparison of images with different modes.

Thanks
[Galaxy S 5 General] CLARiiON:
No worries, try a new shot once again!
[Galaxy S 5 General] leoaudio13:
Today im very busy. Will try to calture some pics for u guys. Stay tuned
[Galaxy S 5 General] leoaudio13:
Well here you are, correct picture samples. I dont know for some reason Google Drive just rotates all of the pics! :(

ALL OFF :

HDR OFF STAB. ON :

HDR ON STAB. ON :

HDR ON STAB. OFF :

Some Filters :

Macro:
[Galaxy S 5 General] BoneXDA:
Something is wrong mate, you didn't share image links but something else.
[Galaxy S 5 General] leoaudio13:
Oh crap. Will fix now.
[Galaxy S 5 General] hung2900:
In this case HDR only seems the best. The HDR-off-STAB-on pic is darkest.
[Galaxy S 5 General] leoaudio13:
Yup its true! HDR works awesome on S5....and its blazing fast!
[Galaxy S 5 General] Cloverfi:
where is it? Shanghai? Taipei?
[Galaxy S 5 General] BoneXDA:
In my opinion normal mode should be the regular choice.

HDR - use only when there's high contrast with clipping (big difference between foreground and background brightness)

Stability mode - use only in low light when normal mode goes over ISO800

Can you, kindly compare some night street photos, normal vs. HDR vs. stability mode?

Kuala Lumpur, you can spot the Petronas Towers if you have a sharp eye. :laugh:
[Galaxy S 5 General] leoaudio13:
Yup, can do that . give me a few minutes. BTW, I think in ISOCELL new sensor, HDR works much faster than normal ( auto) mode. Very very fast. Also normal mode doesnt quite give a very good shot in term of clarity but HDR does. Again, HDR works very very fast !
[Galaxy S 5 General] omersak:
http://www.eprice.com.tw/mobile/talk/124/4899661/1/rv/sony-xperia-z2-review/

M8 vs S5 vs Z2 camera shoot-out

Conclusion: I wish the Lumia 1020 had android on it.

GS5>M8>Z2, IMO. I'm surprised that the M8 didn't do too badly.
[Galaxy S 5 General] Pako7:
totally agree .. you accept my words and opinion expressed above
[Galaxy S 5 General] BoneXDA:
Very nice, thank you!

In my view when white balance, color gamut exposure and level of details combined, this low-light test it's a tie between the S5 and Z2.

The M8 does fairly good for it's pixel count, but still sadly limited to 4MP. White balance is mostly okay, greens and reds have some orange tint however. The M8 also overexposes some shots (areas around lights have major clipping), but in absolute darkness, it beats the rest.

The G Pro 2 suffers the most white balance issues, several shots come out with the typical small sensor red tinting, some better lit scenarios are better. The LG suffers the most inconsistency.

The Z2 is well balanced, the exposure is solid, level of details are pretty good though focus might be slightly off here and there. Green leaves suffer a bit but results are consistently usable.

The S5 has the best white balance, greens and reds stay rock solid and natural, there's a high level of consistency, details are good, bit sharper than Z2 but also more visible noise reduction, darkness shot suffers the most. In a toss-up between the Z2 and S5, more reliable fast focus and live-HDR may win this for Samsung, others may prefer the Z2s better noise control.
[Galaxy S 5 General] omersak:
One thing that about the M8 that I absolutely love is that it has a true, lumia style 'Manual' mode, with adjustable shutter-speed:

I was really hoping that other manufacturers would have considered this approach too.
[Galaxy S 5 General] BoneXDA:
When you do normal vs. stablity vs. HDR at night, can you tell us how slower stability and HDR captures are compared to normal? Also, does either HDR or stability work with flash LED?
[Galaxy S 5 General] leoaudio13:
Im sorry i cant do a test shot for u guys earlier. We are working on something bigger for S5 users :) and a fully dumped firmware is on its way. Chainfire already released the root tool for this baby.

I will try my best to get u guys pictures of noght shots with medium low to low light condition.
[Galaxy S 5 General] hung2900:
Thank you so much:D:D:D

Look forward to night photos on street with different modes.:cool:
[Galaxy S 5 General] leoaudio13:
Link for dump fw is up on Development section. Recovery shoyld be here any moment :)
[Galaxy S 5 General] CLARiiON:
HTC One being just 4MP sensor, the noise will be less compared to S5 specially when we are dealing with high ISO. To understand 1:1 sensor sensitivity, I think we have to compare the photos at same sizes. So, I compressed the S5 images to 4MP. Here's what we see compared to HTC One images.

Left - S5 ; Right - M8

Opinions??
[Galaxy S 5 General] noideaforusername:
The S5 looks better, except for the third picture.
[Galaxy S 5 General] msavic6:
Were those S5 images taken in Normal Auto mode or with the Stabilization mode enabled?