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[Sprint Samsung Galaxy Note 3] micmars:
Were you ever full on NA4, bootloader inclusive? And you still had no ability to throttle down from there to stock MJ4? That's the step that was originally available to those whom had gone from MJ4 to NA4 but never to NAB, as that hadn't been released at that time.

One could test NA4, and go right back to MJ4 if for any reason they were dissatisfied. I stayed on NA4 until NAB came out, but many tried it out and went back to MJ4.

That's unfortunate news. I was hoping that it would work for you.

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[Sprint Samsung Galaxy Note 3] optimummind:
No, I was never at full NA4 or MJ4. It was always the bootloader component of NAB that blocked me. :p. Thanks again for the NA4 files - it was still fun trying. :)
[Sprint Samsung Galaxy Note 3] ninja_unmatched:
So when are we gonna figure out how to root NAB now?
[Sprint Samsung Galaxy Note 3] Macros746:
Worked for me too! Thank you so much! Now just to wait for a knox free root for custom ROMs. But for now, a happy, happy man.

Macros
[Sprint Samsung Galaxy Note 3] cherylbaker:
Was going to follow these instructions to upgrade to 4.4 and keep root so I purchased mobile odin pro but it says using this program on thus device will trip knox?

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[Sprint Samsung Galaxy Note 3] optimummind:
It's just a standard disclaimer. He wrote that for liability reasons. :)

As long as you follow the steps correctly, you'll be fine. Just be sure you didn't already have Mobile Odin Lite installed then upgraded to Pro. One person ended up tripping Knox by using the Lite version first.

If you do have the Lite version installed, delete it, reboot phone, and install the Pro version.

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[Sprint Samsung Galaxy Note 3] micmars:
And for what that app costs, it's the best way to give back to the dev that enables you to do this.

Apps aren't cheap, but when assayed against the work that this particular dev invests, it's pretty much charity, or an act of gratitude. Also please note that download count does not equal unique purchases.

No way is Chainfire feeding his family on Mobile Odin Pro, Super User Pro, or any other of the apps available.

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[Sprint Samsung Galaxy Note 3] cherylbaker:
ok I thought so but just wanted to make sure. No I had no version of mobile odin installed.. going to try this now.. wish me luck :)

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ok well did it but had a few problems but things "look" ok.. I could not get my phone to do what your shows on home volumn up and power. all that did was bring me to recovery.. When I tried to do the csc odin reports write failed. but when I go to networks it shows them all and about shows my phone as being on nab.. root checker shows the phone as rooted
[Sprint Samsung Galaxy Note 3] optimummind:
Did you use Odin v3.04 and select it using right-click and choosing "Run as administrator"?
[Sprint Samsung Galaxy Note 3] cherylbaker:
Yes I did. . I did it again and it didn't say failed. I think it might have had something to do with there being 2 com port things in use in odin.

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[Sprint Samsung Galaxy Note 3] optimummind:
That's odd that Odin detected 2 devices. I'm glad to hear everything's been straightened out in the end. :)
[Sprint Samsung Galaxy Note 3] boyo3221:
So just to confirm for anyone just finding this forum. If you are already on stock NAB , this will not work ? Is this correct?
[Sprint Samsung Galaxy Note 3] optimummind:
That's correct.

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[Sprint Samsung Galaxy Note 3] akns:
I find that statement a little confusing. Mobile Odin Pro sells for $4.99 and is listed in the play store as having sold more than 100k copies. Assuming the minimum 100k x $5 - 30% (google's take) still leaves $350k. Likely (a lot) more if you count more than 100k sales. And that's just one app of his.

Per your statement that "download count does not equal unique purchases", per this article (not sure how accurate it is): "Both Apple and Google tabulate unique downloads of apps per user account. This means that they count only one download of an app no matter how many devices that you install that app on after you purchase it." TNW

Not to say that he's not a huge asset to the android community, or that his apps aren't worth every penny. But charity work it is not. Unless I'm missing something?
[Sprint Samsung Galaxy Note 3] micmars:
Not Even Close...

Uhm, you're missing a lot. Every time you flash a new rom, you download an app you previously purchased, right? Well, Google Play counts every single time you download that app. The download to unique purchase ratio is difficult to discern, as it varies app-to-app, but for root-related and rom-related stuff, you can rest assured that these items are download with each clean ROM install. For phones where Mobile Odin Pro is a go-to tool for ROM flashing, or flashing back to stock, or flashing kernels, or anything else you can throw at it, one of the first things a user does is download those must-have apps, such as root explorer, Titanium Backup Pro, Mobile Odin Pro, &c.

So the download number does not correlate at all at the 1:1 ratio you've used; for root-related apps, the number can be as high as as 50:1 (Play Store is counting each download as unique, but if you purchased it once, it's yours forever). So take a factor of 10 off of that number of yours and go noodle out your math. Now dive it by 5.

Ever see the word "flashaholic" adjacent some users names? They are downloading root-related apps like crazy. I don't flash a ton of new ROMs, as I tend to stay put and hone what I like. But there are many on these forums that just go crazy with downloads, staring over, and do it again. Their downloads get counted. Every. Single. Time.

Charity for most devs, some money for a few. Perhaps Chainfire is pretty well-off and is living large, but I would aver that your numbers are quite high in comparison to the reality of things. Irrespective of any dev's status, in the overarching scheme of things, if the product provides you with great value, then buy the premium app, and please do not determine value by the developer's supposed wealth, which is exactly where your line of reasoning leads.

I doubt one would have such an attitude when buying video games or sneakers. Pretty much the same approach should be taken to an app that provides such high value. If it is useful and provides utility, then it is worth it.
[Sprint Samsung Galaxy Note 3] akns:
Oh, I'm not saying that his apps aren't worth the money or that they're not useful. They very much are. And they do things that no other app does. And he deserves all of the money coming his way.

I was just looking more carefully at the term "charity" or the download counts. Per that article I linked (not sure how accurate the article is), but if it is accurate, it states that download counts are only tallied once per user account. So even if you reformatted your device w/ a new ROM every day and redownloaded a new copy of the app in your new ROM, it still counts only once bc presumably you're still using the same user account (same gmail/google account). Unless ppl created new accounts every time they reformatted.
[Sprint Samsung Galaxy Note 3] micmars:
Mike

The question is if this increments with each fresh install of a rom and ensuing download of the app under the same Gmail account, or if it does not. Or put another way, does the download number have a near 1 to 1 correlation with app purchase. I believe that it does not.

I'm not sure if it's always been that way, and if not, those download counts perhaps weren't reindexed to accommodate a newer means of displaying download count. Or, I could just be completely wrong and you are correct.

Regardless, I hope that Chainfire is doing well, and thus for him it's not charity. I also hope that other devs are making a ton of money. I'll read further on this, gladly retract most everything I wrote, and still I'll encourage all to pay for the pro version of the apps that they regularly use.

As an aside, many apps make money on Google play, 90+ percent of which are free apps, ad-driven with the option to upgrade to the premium version after using the free version.

For me, it's a simple matter of rewarding the dev that gave you a tool that enables you to do more of what your want with your phone.

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[Sprint Samsung Galaxy Note 3] cherylbaker:
One would think since it says DOWNLOAD instead of PURCHASES it would mean it added up each time you downloaded it...

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[Sprint Samsung Galaxy Note 3] micmars:
Yup. Kind of why I am suspicious of anyone inferring app revenue from download count.

The app developer knows the purchase count, but I'm still unclear if the download count equal discrete purchase count, irrespective of what one article may state.

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[Sprint Samsung Galaxy Note 3] akns:
Another possibility is that "purchases" would be misleading in a free app. Thus, in order to keep things consistent between free and paid apps, they just use the word "downloaded".
[Sprint Samsung Galaxy Note 3] cherylbaker:
Ha ha ha maybe but to me you still purchased it you just paid $0.00 :)

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[Sprint Samsung Galaxy Note 3] evilvoice:
Okay, so when is this getting updated? LOL! I await any updates to your great work optimummind
[Sprint Samsung Galaxy Note 3] optimummind:
Are you referring to the new leak? : ) I will update the guide once the NC5 tar comes out. : )

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[Sprint Samsung Galaxy Note 3] cherylbaker:
Haha I couldn't wait. Reset my phone and installed the nc5. Pretty neat feature wifi cslling. I never really used any minutes anyway since I only call my kids and husband and no one has a hone phone these days.. but pretty wild. Even works on incoming calls

Cheryl
[Sprint Samsung Galaxy Note 3] gatoremt:
Any word on when we we will be able to root NC5?
[Sprint Samsung Galaxy Note 3] genei.09:
Keyboard difference

My wife's phone I never rooted. When she got the OTA update to KitKat I updated my phone with the instructions laid out here...however...

They don't behave the same in many cases. Most easily noticed is the keyboard. Hers has retained the long press to get punctuation/symbols while mine doesn't have that anymore. I'm just wondering why these differences are there.
[Sprint Samsung Galaxy Note 3] optimummind:
Are both of you on NAB kitkat or does she have nc5 and you have nab?

We need the tar file first. Once it drops, i'll update the guide. : )

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[Sprint Samsung Galaxy Note 3] gatoremt:
Thanks
[Sprint Samsung Galaxy Note 3] akns:
This guide will not root NAB or NC5. You have to be already rooted on a previous version to use this guide to apply NAB (and soon NC5) and retain root. If you're already on NC5, you're probably out of luck.
[Sprint Samsung Galaxy Note 3] gatoremt:
Thanks I will have to wait a while
[Sprint Samsung Galaxy Note 3] genei.09:
both on nab

I double checked kernel versions and all that jazz and they all display the same. Keyboard and Notifications are behaving different though. I can't find any setting for it either. Hers has notifications of long running apps and such.
[Sprint Samsung Galaxy Note 3] cherylbaker:
Is one of you running Wanam exposed

Cheryl
[Sprint Samsung Galaxy Note 3] optimummind:
And you didn't disable running application notifications via Xposed and Gravity Box or some other similar app? If so, that's weird b/c I don't have that issue and neither does my wifey.
[Sprint Samsung Galaxy Note 3] genei.09:
The only root enabled apps I have are odin, es file explorer, titanium, and cerberus. Really the only reason I have root is for the later two, the first two are just so I could get root. I've dug through the system settings over and over to see if one of the devices had something turned on that the other didn't but so far no dice.

I don't care so much about the "{app name| is running in the background" but the keyboard functionality is bothersome...of course the fact that the behavior is different is also bothersome as I start to question what else is different that I can't notice.
[Sprint Samsung Galaxy Note 3] optimummind:
Well, I tried to duplicate your "problems" but I couldn't. The keyboard's hold-to-bring-up-symbols function works just fine on wife's phone, which is Rooted NAB via this guide. See pictures below.

As you can see, the keyboard works just fine.

After updating to NAB via Mobile Odin Pro, did you flash the CSC.tar file afterwards?
[Sprint Samsung Galaxy Note 3] optimummind:
I'm downloading the NC5 tar file right now. I will update the Guide after I have finished testing it. :)

BTW, are you on Rooted NAB right now via this Guide?
[Sprint Samsung Galaxy Note 3] gatoremt:
No I am not rooted at all. Just purchased the phone and didn't have a chance to root it.
[Sprint Samsung Galaxy Note 3] optimummind:
I see. Was the phone already on NAB?
[Sprint Samsung Galaxy Note 3] gatoremt:
Yes it was
[Sprint Samsung Galaxy Note 3] genei.09:
I did flash the CSC file. Would it hurt to try that step again? So I didn't describe my problem with the keyboard quite right I guess. What I don't have is the ability to long press 'm' and get a '?' or long press 'j' and get a '*'. The symbols don't appear above the letters at all as they do in your screen shot. see attached image

Also looking at the two devices the color of the keyboard is slightly different. So the keyboard I have is certainly not the same one she has.

After a reboot I started getting the application notifications the same way she has been.
[Sprint Samsung Galaxy Note 3] optimummind:
If you want the keyboard to show the symbols, download and install the Xposed framework. Then install & activate the Wanam Xposed module. Open wanam, go into System, and choose the option to show keyboard symbols. Reboot the phone and the change will take effect.

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[Sprint Samsung Galaxy Note 3] genei.09:
Does wanam actually change the behavior of the keyboard? I thought xposed primarily changed visuals and limited permissions not actually changing behavior.

And while I could do that the question I have is why does my wife's phone, which has never been rooted, has the symbol functionality. Both phones report the samsung keyboard as ver 4.0

Why is the OTA keyboard different from this update?
[Sprint Samsung Galaxy Note 3] genei.09:
I never got around to trying the Mobile Network settings to see if I had GSM as an option. Turns out I don't. So something must have gone awry with flash the CSC tar. I've tried flashing it again but nothing seems to have changed (for better or worse).

Is there a better set of steps to pursue other than backup -> wipe -> reflash ?
[Sprint Samsung Galaxy Note 3] optimummind:
That's interesting. You're the first person i'm aware of that the flashing of the csc file didnt reenable the mobile options. You flashed the csc tar file from my Dropbox with Mobile Odin v3.04 and used the pda button, right? And right-clicked on Odin and chose "Run as administrator?"

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[Sprint Samsung Galaxy Note 3] genei.09:
Yup, I did all that..twice. Third time was the charm though. When it rebooted this time it did another little install/progress bit. Now it is working as expected. Very odd. All good now though. Thanks!
[Sprint Samsung Galaxy Note 3] ogretech:
To my rather novice eye, it would appear as though the recent availability of the NC5 odinable tar file would make these steps viable for arriving at a knox-safe, rooted, stock NC5 stock rom (for those of us nursing along Kingo-type roots from the MJ4/NAB days).

Any thoughts on if these steps work with their NC5 counterparts?

Thanks.
[Sprint Samsung Galaxy Note 3] shayind4:
I am aware this is the Sprint forum. Will this method work for international Note 3?

Thanks
[Sprint Samsung Galaxy Note 3] shayind4:
It works. Updated to NC2.
[Sprint Samsung Galaxy Note 3] optimummind:
Now that Mobile Odin has been updated for Kitkat, flashing to NC5 should work, theoretically. I haven't tried it out yet, however, due to indifference and laziness both about the NC5 update. : )

I think it will work. The only thing I think that may need to be done is to flash the NC5 csc tar file afterwards (in case S Pen apps and others malfunction). If you wanna try flashing to nc5 via Mobile Odin & would like the nc5 csc tar file, just PM me & I'll send it to you.

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[Sprint Samsung Galaxy Note 3] boyo3221:
Awesome News, I see the above steps that use it, so if were on NC5 stock unroot this tar will work for root without tripping KNOX? Sorry for the N00B questions.
[Sprint Samsung Galaxy Note 3] ogretech:
Unfortunately not. These steps (and this thread, for the most part) really only apply to someone starting at MJ4 and/or with a system previously rooted (most likely with Kingo, which does not currently support 4.4 or newer).

I am not aware of any vector to knox-safe root if you start with anything more recent.

-SDC
[Sprint Samsung Galaxy Note 3] boyo3221:
Thanks...bummer. Anything we can do to entice Kingo to speed up this process?
[Sprint Samsung Galaxy Note 3] darkfangex5:
could a person on nc5 downgrade to root?
[Sprint Samsung Galaxy Note 3] optimummind:
Not possible yet, unfortunately.

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[Sprint Samsung Galaxy Note 3] evilvoice:
Went from MI5 to NC5. Thank you for all the help.
[Sprint Samsung Galaxy Note 3] ogretech:
By using the aforementioned steps (and Kingo back at MJ4)?
[Sprint Samsung Galaxy Note 3] optimummind:
You're welcome.

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I'll update the guide later for NC5 but for those wanting to go from NAB to NC5 using Mobile Odin Pro and keeping Knox at 0x0, know that it'll work. Just follow the guide in the 1st post and substitute NAB with NC5. ?

Just like you did with NAB, after you have flashed to NC5, you'll have to flash the NC5 csc file afterwards with Odin v3.04.

I've updated the 1st post with the NC5 csc file.
[Sprint Samsung Galaxy Note 3] evilvoice:
No, I used rdlv back at MI3/MI3 and went straight to NC5
[Sprint Samsung Galaxy Note 3] blognc:
Great news! Now, where do we get the NC5 file for Mobile Odin Pro?
[Sprint Samsung Galaxy Note 3] optimummind:
You can download from Samsung Updates or Sammobile. There is a download link in the Development section as well.
[Sprint Samsung Galaxy Note 3] idone:
Went from mj4 to nc5, can anyone confirm USB tether is working? Worked fine before update, factory reset did not resolve the issue. Still on nc5 engineering bl. Steps followed exactly except replaced nab with nc5.

thanks in advance for anyone's confirmation of USB tether breaking on nc5.
[Sprint Samsung Galaxy Note 3] kstephens98:
+1. Well someone will most likely beat me to it, but I will report on whether it trips Knox once I execute these instructions. Unfortunately that may be in a few days. Gotta find a window of time. It is possible he meant "resetting" Knox rather than " tripping" it since he, himself, indicates that he is still at 0x0.
[Sprint Samsung Galaxy Note 3] ninja_unmatched:
Ok? So this does work right?
[Sprint Samsung Galaxy Note 3] optimummind:
Flashing the NAB engineering bootloader does not trip Knox. It will retain Knox warranty bit status at 0x0 (see my screenshot in the OP).

After following this guide and you're on NAB 4.4.2 with Root and Knox 0x0, if you install a custom recovery, then you'll most likely trip the Knox trigger and it'll show 0x1. So don't flash any custom recoveries after finishing with the guide.

Sorry for any confusion. :)
[Sprint Samsung Galaxy Note 3] optimummind:
Yes. :)
[Sprint Samsung Galaxy Note 3] optimummind:
There is one exception to what you've said. One can still flash custom ROM's without triggering the Knox warranty bit if one flashes a custom ROM with Mobile Odin Pro. But the custom ROM must have the stock kernel & recovery inside of it.
[Sprint Samsung Galaxy Note 3] micmars:
I'm not so sure. You are correct that Mobile Odin Pro (MOP) can flash custom roms without triggering Knox, but my statement was in-context, specific to the roms on these forums for our phone.

I'm unclear if the temporary recovery environment that MOP creates will not trip the Knox counter with the roms on this forum.

I am clear that one would have no backup capabilities, which custom recovery provides and does blow Knox.

I'm unclear if whether users on these forums or a given rom designer is able to know with certitude if, when agreeing to the warning that MOP provides prior to flashing a custom rom, if the rom they're flashing whether Knox will or will not be blown.

Please know that my statement is broad because the capabilities to which you refer are narrow.

The only reason MOP and PC Odin can do it is because all they usually do is add root, If I'm not mistaken So the file integrity isn't changed. Once you start messing with the files with mods one doesn't know what will happen

Samsung's sysscope service verifies MD5 and compares it to what an unmodified system would be, hence custom/official.

Knox on the other hand...I think once you flash any custom partition, it's tripped.

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I would highly suggest that anyone going down this road confine themselves to only that stated in this thread.

Just because the engineering bootloader didn't trip Knox for you, screenshot or no, doesn't mean that it will turn out the same for all.

One must have contingencies, and for those to be deployed, the very tools that trip Knox might be needed.

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[Sprint Samsung Galaxy Note 3] optimummind:
If all the custom ROM's for the Sprint Note 3 include modified stock kernels or custom kernels, then you're correct in that MOP will trip the Knox warranty bit when flashing a custom ROM. MOP needs to see a completely stock kernel and recovery within a custom ROM package in order to not set off the Knox warranty bit.
[Sprint Samsung Galaxy Note 3] micmars:
Please know that I'm not debating you.

I'm suggesting, sir, that you measure your words. There are many on these forums that could read your guide plus your assertion and just start flashing. I'm not speaking in absolutes, and I kindly suggest you do the same.

I started this weekend helping out a user who had flashed the KitKat DeOdex rom freeza posted and did it running MJ4.

With TWRP, PC Odin and a healthy dose of patience, this individual made it out the other end. Knox wasn't part of the equation. I'm proud of him.

In a word, please do not post statements about the promise that Knox needn't be tripped, and that roms can be flashed as long as they lack modified kernels and that all will be fine. Stick with your guide, which is very good. But please do not extrapolate across to hypothetical grounds. It's not worth it.

I'd add that every rom, aside from factory restores, starts in the OP with flashing in recovery, and backing up. If the rom developer doesn't include Knox avoiding MOP instructions in the installation guide, then it's a safe bet that the operating premise is Knox is blown.

Or to borrow a way strange, pseudo intellectual metaphor, avoid Aristotle and come to Wittgenstein when discussing Knox free rom flashing.

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