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[Galaxy S 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] puremind:
I never wrote it was the only thing. You have to understand that 2014 smartphones have very few weaknesses, so it comes down to very few elements. Right now what are the differentiating factors or areas where there is the most discrepency?

All phones have fast enough performance and battery is equivalent (S5 will perform more poorly outdoor and slightly better otherwise). I have used both phones for a few days and really am happy about most aspects. Both designs feel good and have good ergonomy.

The only differentiating factors I see are:

Display: S5

Speaker set up and quality: M8

Camera S5 (the focusing time is improved vs. S4, M8 is doing a fine job for me, especially in manual mode, but I feel S5 is alround better performing)

Microphone: M8 (a 10% better camera is useless if microphone is 70% worse, bad sound intake spoils videos for me!)

Premium feel: M8 (though not really a factor for me personally).

Software: M8 (TW just feels quite a bit laggy in the all-important power saving mode, including the brwser and menus and blinkfeed > mymagazine)

I enjoy using the gorgeous display and my only gripe with the S5 really is around the poor microphone and somewhat laggy software (because I do enjoy the Software).

I was filming an open air piano performance yesterday and the M8 really shone giving me the best audio experience while maintaining good video quality. If I had had only the S5 on me, I would have been annoyed that I could not capture the beauty of the performance.

On the other hand, if I were filming something without sound I would prefer the S5.

If the M8 had a better display and slightly bigger display I would be totally sold and would not need the S5. If the S5 had better audio capture and reproduction I would not need the M8.

The Z2 will probably have the trade off if being less ergonomic in exchange of even bigger display and battery. The speakers are 90% of the M8 quality and I still have to test the microphone.

The LG G3 will have smaller form relative to display size, contrasted display but I am not too hopeful on the sound quality as a result of the compressed form factor since the LG G2 sounded so poorly.

So you see, all flagship phones have something going for them, it is not like any of them is bad, for me it is about finding the most competent and well rounded device that doesn't let me down in any major way and so far the M8 does that for me.

Of course once you have been exposed to a new feature (fingerprint scanner, tap or swipe to unlock, etc.) then you start missing that as well and it becomes part of your expectations.

So I am going hope that Samsung improves Mymagazine, hopefully it will move away from the drawer system it borrowed from flipboard to integrate streams more seamlessly without having to dig into multiple layers of information. I am also going to hope that Samsung add tap or swipe to unlock functionality at some point. Audio capture and speaker setup are just not within the S5 design to offer. I will have to grab the M8 or Z2 for that.
[Galaxy S 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] barondebxl:
Great post, I completely agree with you. I didn't say you wrote that but it seemed that only the display was the reason you kept the S5.

I agree, its all about compromise especially like many of us who don't have a horse in the race (no Samsung or HTC or Sony silly fanatics). I have been going back and forth between the M8 and S5 (and even note 3) but I have decided to go with the S5 because its more ergonomic, the display of course and the features.

When you say lag is it only my magazine or in general? Cause my magazine is the biggest piece of crap. I will uninstall it as soon as I own the device. Blinkfeed is 100 times better and it will be available to non HTC devices soon hopefully.
[Galaxy S 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] puremind:
No everything lags a little on the S5 once you activate the power saving mode. Even with it deactivated there is just a tad more latency as all tests noted. It just feels a tad slower, which is a shame since TW has some nice touches such as the remote control shown on the notification bar and on the lock screen. On the M8 nothing lags even in power saving mode, it just feels smooth.

Regarding ergnomy, I think both are equivalent, though. The M8 only has the 2% smaller display and lower contrast going against it, but on the other hand it has swipe and touble tap to unlock and feels smoother, so I actually enjoy both. Smoothness is a big aspect of ergonomy, but so is a very clear display. Last year the M7 has a much smaller screen and the edges were sharp and less comfortable to hold so I easily gave the ergonomy price to the S4. This year this is pretty even for me, except I love a great display, but that's not purely for egonomy reasons, it is for fidelity, just I like audio fidelity on the S5.

TW also has the adapt screen mode which is better than film mode for outdoor viewing (which cancels out color saturation) and I would miss it if I went with a CM-based ROM.I would also miss the power saving mode. I can't remember if Google Edition had those on the S4...

The challenge for CM roms will be not to decrease battery or display performance...

So it makes it quite annoying that TW does not run that fluidly. Oh and they removed the useful temperature sensor...I used to use it to set air conditioning right at hotels...
[Galaxy S 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] barondebxl:
I see, so the lag occurs when power saving mode is enabled. I never use that feature, as long as TW runs acceptably in normal mode im fine. But i did try power saving mode on other TW devices and it always lagged. No biggie for me but i understand for folks who use it why it sucks.

The M8 is super speedy and its UI is less heavy than TW thats why i guess it doesnt suffer from that in power saving mode.
[Galaxy S 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] puremind:
S5 lags even without power saving mode. It is more subtle but when you move back and forth between the M8 and the S5 this is really annoying.

The Power Saving mode on the Samsung makes a big difference in battery life, and so does it on the M8. If you are going to sit at a cafe browsing and texting a lot or using google maps you will need to activate it because typically the S5 and M8 only give 5-6 hours of screen time in autobrightness (they will yield more at 200cd/m² or lower as we know from battery tests).

Today I depleted the S5 down to 5% in power saving mode and autobrightness. I was outoor a lot.
[Galaxy S 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] SolarTrans:
The S4 GPE (to my dismay) did not have the different display modes.
[Galaxy S 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] barondebxl:
I see, good point.
[Galaxy S 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] SolarTrans:
I hope we see an S5 GPE, but I really doubt it's gonna happen if it hasn't yet.
[Galaxy S 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] eyecon82:
I also notice random lag on the s5.

I disabled all animations in developer mode and it seems to have helped a little
[Galaxy S 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] SolarTrans:
Using it side by side with my iPhone 5s, I find it has more touch latency than the iPhone (when scrolling and tapping things).

That's a huge turn-off for me, and it makes the M8 seem even more attractive.

The M8 has a lot less than the iPhone, the S5 seems to have more.
[Galaxy S 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] msavic6:
We seem to be in a similar boat regarding which device to upgrade to. I was deadset on the S5 but initial user accounts have me second guessing and the M8 is getting a decent consideration now. Im still waiting to see what the OnePlus One brings to the table but im finding it increasingly difficult to mdecide which device suits me best.
[Galaxy S 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] SolarTrans:
IKR! I used the S5 extensively today, and I was pretty impressed about everything except the latency. I'm gonna give my friend's M8 a good try tomorrow. I find it difficult to consider purchasing a non-GPE M8 after the price went up $50 though...

But will the GPE have the same latency as the normal one? That is the question.
[Galaxy S 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] msavic6:
I dont know how important the camera on a smartphone is to you but considering the M8 isn't exactly the greatest to begin with, the GPE is noticeably worse in image quality than the Sense verison so this is something else to consider as well.
[Galaxy S 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] barondebxl:
It really is a tough choice.
[Galaxy S 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] msavic6:
How's your decision going? Have you decided which device suits you better yet?
[Galaxy S 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] barondebxl:
3 hours ago I was sure that I was going to get me theS5 with gear 2. Now I don't know. If only the S5 was as fast and smooth as the one, I would never even had thought about the M8 but I do appreciate how speedy it is. What about you?
[Galaxy S 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] WizeGuyDezignz:
I really don't understand all this talk about lag. I have had barely any. I'm using the card stack animation with all animations set to 0.5x. What is everyone else using?

Also, can people be more specific where you are getting the lag. And what exactly is the touch latency issue?
[Galaxy S 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] SolarTrans:
IDGAF about the camera XD

I'll always carry around my iPhone 5s as well, and I only ever take pictures of homework assignments so I don't have to lug around my textbooks :P
[Galaxy S 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] xeizo:
Touch latency is a software setting, this is xda LoL ... S5 is undoubtedly the better hardware, M8 appeals to some for being pretty not to me I think it looks like a alu thermos someone has stomped on ..... ;)
[Galaxy S 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] msavic6:
I came back from the store tonight after playing with the M8 and S5 side by side, the M8 is quicker and more resposnive throughout the whole UI but I found the S5 with TouchWiz to be more inviting and involving than Sense 6 on the M8 which seemed plain and sort of boring to me.

Now I don't want to be one to bring up car analogies but this one really fits here. A Lamborghini often lacks many of the features and comforts found in a Mercedes but it is quicker and more sporty. Now both cars are quick but one clearly has an advantage. The same is seen with the S5 and M8, while the S5 has tons of features, some of which useless, the M8 brings less to the table in terms of software features but also brings a noticeable speed increase over the S5.

Another thing I noticed during my comparison is just how great the front facing BoomSound speakers are, the S5 simply can't compete on that front. The S5 speaker is quite weak and seems to be even weaker than the S4's which im not exactly thrilled about.

I cant accurately guage the cameras from an in store perspective but based on reviews the S5 seems to do marvelously while the M8 not so well.

Add to this the reported weak reception in the S5 and I truly become confused in which device to get. Had I been asked to make a decision a couple days ago it would have been a solid yes for the S5. As the user reports pour in, I keep changing my mind, it looks like im going to wait on some more reviews to be released and some more hands on time with both devices before I consider making a decision.
[Galaxy S 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] SolarTrans:
Touch latency can't be changed by software. It is specific to the panel. Animation times can be changed, though.

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It's a shame the GPEs aren't in stores... I'd like to see if there's a responsiveness difference between the Sense and GPE.

It's possible the GPE could be slower due to better optimization on the Sense model, so I'm curious. No comparison videos out yet though.
[Galaxy S 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] WizeGuyDezignz:
Bro, I think I know your tastes pretty well and I think you will get bored of the M8 very fast. I could barely get through 5 days with it. I don't get that feeling at all with the S5.

I will completely admit that the M8 is a bit quicker in some areas, but I am splitting hairs here. The S5 is plenty fast especially with 0.5x animations. And the M8 speakers are better. Other than that, it has nothing else that I liked. The UI is insanely boring to me.

Good luck man! I love my S5 and Gear 2 Neo combo! :thumbup:
[Galaxy S 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] WizeGuyDezignz:
I turned this on and I haven't had issues with touch latency. I think people are starting to over-analyze stuff at this point to be honest.
[Galaxy S 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] SolarTrans:
If it was bad enough to where I noticed it immediately after using the phone, I'd say it's an issue (for me). I do things extremely quickly on my phone, and I notice small amounts of latency. It is a pretty nit picky thing, though XD

It feels better than the S4, but seems worse than the Note 3.
[Galaxy S 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Beefheart:
Yes I have. And I can only assume my opinion of what constitutes audio quality differs from your own.

Also, like I made clear, a phone having loud speakers is low on my list of priorities, as long as I can hear a ringtone/notification that is good enough for me. If I want audio quality from my handset, I will listen to it through my earphones, which I invested a decent amount of money in. If I want to play music for other people to hear, it wouldn't be through a mobile phone.
[Galaxy S 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] shojus:
Fair enough... :good:
[Galaxy S 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] omersak:
Can anyone confirm if the recent wave of firmwares made the S5 snappier?

Having had the chance to test the S5 along with the M8 and my Nexus 5 for a number of hours, yes, side-by-side the S5 is noticeably less responsive than the other two - but I'm thinking it may only be noticeable to this extent only when comparing it side-by-side.

I feel the S5 isn't so much laggy as it is slow (save for some choppy scrolling in a few lists like the phone log and the opening of a folder for the first time). With My Magazine off, the homescreens and launcher are completely smooth and lag free. But the thing that really got on my tits is the delay in opening applications, even from the multi-tasking menu - tap on it and the phone sits idle for a bit before finally opening the app. This is pretty much instant on the nexus 5 and almost so on the M8 as well. But again - this is only very noticeable when having them side-by-side.

Still, this isn't something i'd expect from a powerhouse flagship - but it's a new processor, and a new version of Touchwhiz so I'm sure subsequent firmwares will iron out the problems.

One thing I can say for sure is that the M8 is probably the best smartphone for extending, heavy gaming as it has hardly ever throttled down. The S5 is pretty good too but it does throttle down and drop frames quicker. The nexus 5 is just plain horrible and starts dropping frames within 5-6 minutes.
[Galaxy S 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] puremind:
it has been confirmed the GE Edition will have most of the good that Sense has to offer, including the camera app, IR sensor and gestures (e.g. tap to unlock). Only the 3D effect of the camera it seems will be cut (but not ufocus).

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Yes Anandtech confirmed that because metal conduces heat away better than plastic. It also means the higher clocking is a bit nonsensical on the S5. With some tweaking it could avoid throttling but still won't be at the level of the M8.

Peronally I wouldn't mind, if the S5 didn't feel slow for every day Tasks. As someone mentioned, opening applications, scrollign thrugh certain menu Screens and overall screen latency do feel annoying if you come from a speedier devices, like LG G2, M8, Asus Padfone Infinity A86, etc.
[Galaxy S 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Beefheart:
I agree with your post for the most part, and I am returning my S5 for these reasons. One thing I don't agree with though is the fingerprint reader. It was never hit and miss for me, and one handed using my thumb on an angle it worked 95% of the time. Providing it continues the same quality of the Note 3, my next phone is likely to be a Galaxy Note 4 when my contract expires in April/May next year. And I will be happy if it employs the same fingerprint technology as the S5.
[Galaxy S 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] barondebxl:
I know sense is boring indeed, no doubt. And the talk about the touch latency started because there was a test made showing that the M8 is more responsive to the touch than any other devices,that's why ppl all of a sudden talk about touch latency which I don't really care about. But lag is something I'm allergic to lol. I know you are too but its funny cause opinions are split in the middle here that's why it is so confusing. 50% says its lag free, even in some reviews, the others says it lags.
[Galaxy S 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] WizeGuyDezignz:
Yeah, a lot of things are getting blown out of proportion imo. But I definitely don't want to steer you the wrong way bro. Definitely get what feels right to you.

Here are my more refined thoughts that might help. The M8 is definitely quicker, I won't deny it. But I just didn't feel it was faster to the point of dealing with the things that I didn't like on the phone. I am talking faster like fractions of a second faster. So it's not like the S5 is a lagfest or anything. But the M8 definitely feels snappier.

I haven't had much lag, if at all scrolling around the home screens on the S5. The only thing I noticed is that some of the native apps like dialer and contacts might take a couple seconds to open on a cold start. After that it's pretty much instant.

I don't know man, I just like all the features and everything else too much to let a minor slowdown here and there to make me get rid of this phone. It isn't anything as drastic as some people are making it out to be imo. But everyone is different of course.

In the end, it's a keeper for me. Especially with the Gear 2 Neo combo that I have going. I really like the entire experience right now.

Good luck man and do what feels right to you! I would suggest going to play with both phones in a store if you haven't yet. Let me know what you decide! :thumbup:
[Galaxy S 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Robbie Doo:
Have you tried Tune-in?
[Galaxy S 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] mscott:
This new feature is one of the reasons I'm thinking of taking my m8 back, and getting the s5 (hopefully I can find a black model, the white phones look stupid IMO). I have had the phone wake itself up in my pocket multiple times now, and while I haven't butt dialed anyone, I've had apps open, emails filled with gibberish, etc.

I agree the phone appears snappy compared to my evo 4g LTE, but haven't compared it to the actual S5. I'm not that concerned about it, I'll live with it just fine, both are likely better than my old phone.
[Galaxy S 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] eyecon82:
this article touts the fast response in the m8

Doesn't that make the screen too sensitive?

there is a huge latency when pressing the home button to turn screen on. I wish it was quicker

I can't stand fm radios, they never work properly
[Galaxy S 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] qipengart:
I got to look at the S5 in person at T-Mobile yesterday. It was alright but nothing special compared to my Note 2. Still a developer edition or Googl-ified version would be nice.
[Galaxy S 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] mscott:
Forgot to mention that I also cannot see the phone with my polarized sunglasses on unless I tilt it at a 45 degree angle. That's really annoying.
[Galaxy S 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] eyecon82:
It's that way with all phones
[Galaxy S 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Robbie Doo:
I just got my GS5. Upgraded from GS3. They're both awesome devices with all their features and tricks. I don't think much should be anticipated as far as the design goes, but the performance is just perfect - fast & smooth. I just can't wait for custom roms to pop up so I can try to use the phone's full potential.
[Galaxy S 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] pnr2020:
Fantastic phone best phone out now not disappointed with it.I can't stand people who say it just looks like old model of course it does every company had there own style
[Galaxy S 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] marcmarshall:
Do I want a sleeker looking metal body or the ability to switch out a battery is 30 secs? Functionality vs Fashion; I'll take the plastic every time. I don't think anyone is going to think me any "cooler" cause I bought a metal phone. If you think your phone is going to get you laid then buy an M8.
[Galaxy S 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] yahyoh:
i think im going to wait for what HTC have , if its fail too i will go with Z2 :p
[Galaxy S 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] dandroid13:
Your post is meh.

Enviado do meu Galaxy S4
[Galaxy S 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Matt3333:
The only thing I'd say I dislike is the plastic Samsung can't seem to get away from. Apart from that I'm quite happy :good:
[Galaxy S 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] qipengart:
That's because their new Touchwiz update is getting more bloated each time.
[Galaxy S 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] KnifeHead:
Well, i'm not in samsung side, but I think this is not a fail but market strategy.

Look at the last devices released by samsung, there is a name "pro", "neo", "... edition"

I think, there will be premium S5 with high end technology.

Maybe samsung is waiting other vendor flagship released :D
[Galaxy S 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Kawaisa:
This is the flagship mainstream Samsung phone, there isn't going to be a S5 premium. Next step up is the Note line.

Samsung went with the "we're listening to what you guys want" motto which is essentially an excuse for not innovating by adding a health rate monitor.

They should go with the old Steve Jobs motto of "we don't give a s*** about what you want, we'll do what we want."
[Galaxy S 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] martindar:
i'll quote someonelse,"its gonna take more than a plaster to fix this car crash"-what a fail
[Galaxy S 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] yahyoh:
and more bloated with 2GB of ram , good luck with the stuttering and the terrible multitasking

seems soon TW ROMs will get even bigger than full version of Windows :eek:

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mother of lag

http://youtu.be/2D051uDJNt8?t=41s
[Galaxy S 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] kdog350:
The one thing that I thought was really cool, was that you can use wifi and 4g at the same time to increase download speeds. Other than that, nothing else wowed me. I think it's funny that my moto x with only a dual core 1.7 ghz processor, is as fast as the Galaxy s5 with a 2.5 ghz quad core lol.
[Galaxy S 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] sabre31:
Lack luster update. Samsung is apple with their locked phones and minor updates to hardware. I will wait for m8 or z2. Really digging the specs on z2 I just hope they sell it in US on AT&T
[Galaxy S 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Matt3333:
It's an upgrade aimed for those coming to the end of their 2 year S3 contract.
[Galaxy S 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] frankgreimes:
Just googled it up the Z 2 has 3 Gig of RAM, a Snapdragon 801 with 2,3 GHZ so only 0,2 less (can easily be fixed with a custom rom) but the +1 gig ram will come in handy for multitasking. Although it one more time doesn't feature a physical home button and a removable battery which is just damn sad :(
[Galaxy S 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] spinninbsod:
i think its a disapointment i got rid of my s4 because of knox they say oh its to make android more secure its all crap what they really mean is we dont want you to have custom roms because that takes the control away from us because we want you to buy are new devices when we stop updating our devices i refuse to buy another samsung product
[Galaxy S 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] maidangisme:
Very soon ShameSung is The New Crapple.

-I prefer all fashion way for Android Devive : 1)Native FM Radio 2) SD Card Slot 3)Removable Battery.