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[Galaxy S 5 General] Mandeep148:
Yep agree with that.

Exynos is **** crap. Most of apps are not fully tweeked for exynos. Facebook even not tweeked well for exynos. Lag in most of apps. I am using moto g currently and s5 too. I feel moto g 2 times smoother than s5 and quick response.

Subway surf on exynos like 3 years old phone. 70% apps are not stable. + over heat. Still I like s5 :p

Second big reason Samsung not selling in India is, when I attended Samsung meeting they always mad to decrease price after 100 batch of sale.

Like mad dog.

What customer thinks? Month ago people bought s5 for 50 and now ? 35. They fu*ked with customer feelings.

And look at iphone still same price. + more support.

Third reason sh*tty design. Like 50 years old phone every phone is looking same.

Like if I spend 50k on flagship phone. Another guy/friend speaks "hey using grand 2? Cool" my face becomes like " -_- "

M Samsung fan will always. But Samsung needs improvements..

Hence Samsung is my favorite always from software side and it's feature but this time with exynos. Experience gonna bad...
[Galaxy S 5 General] sharingan:
bro are you serious

is indian octa core variant that bad ??

i mean in benchmarks it shows more score than SD variant

also i thought it will be very fast but i am hearing opposite from you

also should i buy nexus 5 in place of this or is not that bad i mean that i saw on a website telling that new exynos used in s5 is better from last one but what i am hearing from you is bad so bro please tell me is it bad or i shall but it ?????:confused::confused::confused::confused::confused::confused:
[Galaxy S 5 General] Mandeep148:
not so bad, its good, and i like s5, but i am just trying to say, 70% apps are not tweaked which cause lag and slutters, that also cause overheating..

overall good.
[Galaxy S 5 General] sharingan:
so i should buy it in place of nexus 5
[Galaxy S 5 General] Mandeep148:
nope, S5 is not popular anymore, 15k price decrease in one month, samsung having OVER EGO now THESE DAYS, no one should buy samsung, until they dont learn that Customers are REAL BOSS,

what they do? same design from phone range 10k to 50k,

price drops always 15k in month, they not decrease because samsung have less sale, they are mad to decrease price, they dont have customers feeling, they did same on s5, s4,s3, and will always until they dont learn...

HTC even not having sale in india, they decrease price??? no...

my suggestion buy Xperia Z2 or Htc on m8 or Nexus 5(if you dont love camera or music world)
[Galaxy S 5 General] drakester09:
Moto G is fast and performs great because it's pretty much a cheaper Nexus. Very good quality for the price.

How come that apps have like Facebook have to be optimized for Exynos? Is that the explanation of the lag you are seeing?

That would be valid if we are talking about a graphics intensive game or benchmark... But Facebook?

I can certainly bet that it has to do with Touchwiz regardless of the SoC
[Galaxy S 5 General] Mandeep148:
I gave you example. And that's true. If you run Facebook on s5 octa. You will notice its sluttering lagging mostly in scrolling and other animations.

I like s5 camera and sound is good.

But I would recommend nexus 5.
[Galaxy S 5 General] sandeeppathak007:
I think it all comes down to the developer support, I dont have much deep knowledge in engineering of the processors but as a normal user I would like to have a problem free phone with a lot of dev support so that if i want to i can tinker the phone and flash the roms when Samsung have not released the latest version of android.

As per my understanding the group of people who buy these flagships in India are mostly collage (Engineering/MBA) going youth or people working in IT/Service industry (Service = IT and not IT) now these are young minds and they of-course want to have maximum value of their phone and want to have the ability to tinker with the phone if they want to.

What i wish is if Samsung could release both versions of their flagship Snapdragon or non snapdragon and let the consumer and dev decide.

In US/Europe where they have the options to kind of force their home made processor through carriers (as there the phone is always offered on contract and very less people buy it by simfree ) there also they are just offering the SD version, so yeah in a way they are not doing justice with Indian market and its better for them to understand it as fast as possible.
[Galaxy S 5 General] hannibalrising:
Surprised to read that s5 is lagging a bit despite such impressive specs. actually with such an impressive pricing now i was considering it to replace my s3......

but if s5 stutters even now, then i don't want to buy it.
[Galaxy S 5 General] rl421403:
Yes, developer support is better with SD. But it's not because SD is better. There is a lot of history behind why developer abandoned Exynos. Read here if you want to know more.

Also, if you are only into flashing then you should buy SD S5, or Nexus 5 is recommended. I was also like that couple of years ago but now I do not flash roms that often. I learn it with experience (and by reading on xda) that phone will perform better and battery life will be great if you do not factory reset/flash roms too ofter. Android is very smart system.

No company does that. Customers are never offered such choices. US and European countries cannot buy Exynos and we cannot buy SD variant, officially. Also, Exynos is only available to countries, that do not have LTE wide spread. If we have 30% cities covered with LTE coverage, I am sure Samsung will release SD variant here. Until then, it's unrealistic to think we will get SD version just by not buying S5 or S6...
[Galaxy S 5 General] sharingan:
thanks everyone for clearing my doubt :good::good::good::good:
[Galaxy S 5 General] kachrukamble:
Xperia Z2= Bazel is unnecessarily Big for 5" phone, sony could have reduced it

One M8= Camera is arguably not that good

Octa S5= Cheating

this year all flagship phones fall short of expectation

LG G3 seems good alternative, but don't know if it is available in India or not
[Galaxy S 5 General] rl421403:
ROFL on FF A99 with a couple of G lenses. My thoughts exactly.

Yep, that's correct. If people accept it or not.
[Galaxy S 5 General] sam77744:
hello friends. I just got s5 today and I can not find download booster opction.pls help
[Galaxy S 5 General] rl421403:
Download booster is not available for Indian S5.

Also I think you will have to have LTE connection to use download booster.

Although here is a way to enable download booster.

http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=53424194&postcount=350
[Galaxy S 5 General] sam77744:
thanks
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[Galaxy S 5 General] v_square:
So has anyone of you bought this device yet? I don't think discussing the price or comparing SD to Exynos has any meaning left now. 35k for such hardware is not a bad deal afterall, given that it launched at 51 which was way too much.

Now then; I've been using this device for over a week. It doesn't look as premium as Z2 or M8, agreed. But it isn't bad either. May be I'm the only one, but the blue back is cool. I didn't go for M8 because metal is no go for me. The way it feels in winters is like uhh, so cold. Have had this experience in the past with another metal phone from HTC. And again, I prefer handling over looks, so Z2 was not an option given it's size. So there was no option other than going for S5.

And now that I've been using this device, I've actually got fond of this phone. It really feels good in the hand. Screen is amazing. Camera is superb. The only lag I find is that fraction of second it takes when the multitasking key is pressed. It's not instant like a nexus or M8. Buy I guess I'll have to love with that now.

And now, the main thing. If anyone has bought this device, I would like to discuss something. The battery life after the update to XXANE2 has been pretty disappointing. I got like 7 hours of screen on time earlier with mobile data on. Now it has come down to 5. Anyone experiencing such issue?
[Galaxy S 5 General] netarchie:
I too had issues with the battery life, i have disabled the Samsung sync and now my battery runs for about 12 to 15 hours. Previously with Samsung sync it was less than 8 hours.
[Galaxy S 5 General] drakester09:
Some people have reported the same, regardless of Snapdragon or Exynos, the NE2 update seems to use more battery.
[Galaxy S 5 General] Mandeep148:
Alert! 3k decreasing in this month. Price will become 32 33.

S5 owners feeling cool right?
[Galaxy S 5 General] Bleeding-Edge-Armour:
I suppose it's possible, considering that the price has been hovering around 34K. What's your source though?
[Galaxy S 5 General] Mandeep148:
i mentioned ealier i attend Samsungs meetings of Retailer,Distributer, Seminars,Dealers, they are blind and mad to decrease its price, now they have decided to decrease 3k more,feeling bad, price decrease not effect me, but if its premium device its shouldnt decrease price, Iphone in that terms is real Luxury phone, because when price get down of luxury smart phone, its clear meaning that value is decreasing hence decreasing value doesnt means luxury smartphone.
[Galaxy S 5 General] Bleeding-Edge-Armour:
A decreased prices doesn't necessarily imply a decline in the final product value. I've seem some devices take rather huge price cuts and they still outclass some of their competitors, Look at the Z Ultra or the G Pro 2. That being said I do sympathize with the people who bought it at a significantly higher price.

You could've just called it a flagship
[Galaxy S 5 General] sandeeppathak007:
So the flipkart`s today`s price is 34560 is it going to be 3 k less ?

When will it come in effect ? I might hold my purchase for some days/weeks if your news is correct
[Galaxy S 5 General] rl421403:
He said, S5 will be 32-33 k in next couple of weeks.

If you want to buy S5 then it's better to hold your purchase for now.
[Galaxy S 5 General] kaifkhan97:
how could samsung go down to decrease its price from 53k to 35k

really dissappointed

could have added etra 7k to get 2 s5

iI'm pissed

Don't wanna buy samsung phone frm now
[Galaxy S 5 General] ravishah922:
Not so cool man... Got s5 for my dad at 42k...
[Galaxy S 5 General] drakester09:
Yes the Samsung dealers are crazy and mad and they are evil... :rolleyes:

Nothing new although it seems they are being more agressive this time.

http://bensbargains.net/thecheckout/guides/want-samsung-galaxy-s5-wait-two-months-save-40/

It's not India centric.
[Galaxy S 5 General] smartjain:
even though it is a good phone, i will never buy samsung again! the price fall is astronomical.
[Galaxy S 5 General] drakester09:
Price was too high from the beginning, the adjustments are a reflection of that.

At this time the international price had gone down by 28%, right now the Indian price has gone down by 33%. Statistically it follows the trend.
[Galaxy S 5 General] smartjain:
I am planning to buy Iphone 6 in Dec this year, i wonder what would S5 resell at that time, things are looking very bad with the daily price drops
[Galaxy S 5 General] NoteboyTech:
18to 20k only.. Sad to say..
[Galaxy S 5 General] sandeeppathak007:
With this process trend I think I m going to hold my purchase till July end and then buy it
[Galaxy S 5 General] drakester09:
iPhone 6? :rolleyes::(

See the current S4 price, might hover around that.
[Galaxy S 5 General] rl421403:
You will get ~25k for your S5 in December.
[Galaxy S 5 General] vd1900:
Lol you never know s5 mite be selling for that price... :)
[Galaxy S 5 General] rl421403:
I am in the same boat. But everyone learn their lesson hard way (by purchasing Samsung phone on releasing day/week/month).

Now I learn to wait couple of weeks/month before buying Samsung phone.

---------- Post added at 01:50 AM ---------- Previous post was at 01:42 AM ----------

Yes, no one can predict that.

Actually I am selling my 14 month old S4 for 22k. "The phone shop" also offered 18k. And it's really the price range of used S4 on ebay too. On ebay used S4 are selling in the range of 20-23k.

So I am guessing, S5 will be sold in 25k range after 6 months. Could be wrong but it's a guess.

EDIT:// [MENTION=3019559]vd1900[/MENTION] we were talking about selling our used phones.
[Galaxy S 5 General] nifty_mats:
How's the S5 exynos processor? Any lag & what's the latest price?
[Galaxy S 5 General] drakester09:
Pretty good, disregard the naysayers here (especially that Facebook is a super-app that has to be optimized for octa...Christ - if anything is a rubbish app.

http://jaxenter.com/facebook-s-completely-insane-dalvik-hack-46376.html).

I have looked at the sources and read about it.

Quite better than the previous Exynos in the S4, we also have a 3.10 Linux kernel base which has several meaningful improvements over 3.4

Price listen to them, there might be a price cut soon.
[Galaxy S 5 General] MOPKOBKA:
I am going to be in Bangalore in Aug. Can someone recommend a good place where I can buy S5? Unfortunately H modification isn't available in US, so India is only the place where I can get it with warranty.
[Galaxy S 5 General] rl421403:
That's not because it's a bad phone but the launch price is way to higher then people expected.

I also owned S3 and it was a joke (in perspective of today's phones). Although at that time, it was a great phone but technology advanced in last 3 years and so do our expectations. I think the only problem with S3, S4, S5 and Note series is TouchWiz bloat and once you remove those, you have a lag free phone.

I like TouchWiz more then AOSP. I like some of it's features but I do not use most of Samsung or Google apps. So I remove those apps. And now I have a blazing fast phone.

I understand since you have a phone from the "greatest company in this universe", you want to bash others. I get it.
[Galaxy S 5 General] smartjain:
s5 is no way a bad phone, it is just that its price is dropping like shares of blackberry :), don't get upset about it guys and stop comparing it with s4
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[Galaxy S 5 General] NoteboyTech:
Giys this is the second time our moderators have given us warning, please cooperate with the thread be reasonable and don't bash products. My request to you guys
[Galaxy S 5 General] kaifkhan97:
same here dude

That the reason I would not buy a samsung phone even if its better than the others
[Galaxy S 5 General] rl421403:
Why? I think we should be happy because price has fallen. All we had to do is wait. Yes, I understand your anger if you had already purchased earlier.

But now it's the best phone in the market for 34k price range.

I know I would not consider buying S5 if it is available for 51,500/- without any price drop.
[Galaxy S 5 General] Mandeep148:
Best phone? When after wait person will buy this phone at 34k after 2 month price will b 28k then that best phone will b crap phone...

Samsung is kicking them self into dark.

Lets look at other phone and their sales.

Xperia z2 sales broken record in india.

Instead of samsung was good previous year.

What makes big change?

Customer feeling game.

Snapdragon s5 may good but dream for India. So exynos version is crap.

18k price drop in month. Is that value of best phone? Best phone price drop very slowly.

For 18k loss. A person can buy second hand motor cycle or can give to poor people that can make god happy.

(Edited)
[Galaxy S 5 General] drakester09:
price = quality? Then iPhones are the best thing ever.

sales = quality? Then Justin Bieber must be the end of all music artists.

You keep saying that Exynos is crap, I would love to see a technically justified reasoning why (and in coherent English please).

Finally:
[Galaxy S 5 General] rl421403:
Yes, that's the sad part. In this thread people keep saying Exynos is crap but never posted any technical facts to support that SD is any better then Exynos. And ROFL @ English, I had to read 2-3 times to understand what exactly it means.

I think you did not understand correctly. What I was saying is, now S5 is the best phone in 34k price range. May be Z2 is breaking sales records or iPhone is better phone but they do not fall in this price range.

Also, almost every time price changes are irrespective to built quality or components. Although, these could be main factor to decide launch price but once phone is in the market, it's marketing team and management team who decides price fluctuations. And they only understand numbers.

Yes, a best phone can have a price drop like 18k in 2 months, if it was way too overpriced initially.
[Galaxy S 5 General] Mandeep148:
No bro. If you ask every developer they will say exynos is crap tech.

Actually its based on old architecture.

Mostly apps are hard to tweek for exynos.

For example if you run most use apps like Facebook or subway surfer you will find slitter while scrolling (not in snap dragon) and subway surfer will start lag after 3 mins of gaming and that CPU get heat so much fast. Hence its failed and old tech. Which cause low development.

My moto g never lags.

If you like exynos that's good. But world knows its failed tech.

And best thing price never down as s5 had.

IPhone Sony HTC and other smart phone price never down.

And If you think best phone price can drop like hell like s5 then check s5 sale In India is even less. You can 80 times lesser than previous year.

+ I think you never heard short English ever? You should go out of India my dear. You must know what English is.. You can't judge until you don't have experience. I always go out of country. English which I am using is same as they are. But you Indian guys may don't experience it.

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Bro, I think some thing went wrong here. Your solution may against marketing.

Actually

Quality = price

Low quality = low sails = price drop = low customer satisfaction = fail product.

Justin bieber ? What about Eminem ;D
[Galaxy S 5 General] drakester09:
I'm a developer, with a lot of experience in different fields/technologies. I do not say that Exynos is crap.

Don't generalize your personal opinion to all of us. You make us look really bad.

Do you actually know anything about the chipset or the tech behind it?

"Hard to tweak for Exynos"? have you ever developed anything for Android to know what it means to optimize an application for it?

The things you mention point out that you don't know anything. As the usual gray market posts, I find a lot of heat and zero substance.

Have you actually compared an G900F vs a G900H side-by-side? Your Moto G is not comparable because it's running a very lean and near-stock version of Android, which I mentioned before. Touchwiz being one of the reason of the less perceived smoothness as it is heavy and such.

A G900F would stutter in the same way as the G900H next to the Moto G. There was a video in Youtube about it (since Youtube is the most reliable source of information according to some...)

Edit: Link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3P9vDAY0U0A

Exynos Octa is old architecture? Care to enlighten us how big.LITTLE, which is only fully supported with HMP in the Linux kernel 3.10 onwards is old tech?

The next Snapdragons (810+) will use a big.LITTLE architecture, so by your reasoning they are taking a vintage approach. Can't wait for the Hipsterdragons.

Low development is a result of the localized nature of this device, correlated with the usual regions where real devs live.

Also that Snapdragon is 'easy mode' to develop compared to any other SoC, since Nexus devices have that chipset.

Of course everything I just wrote will be just lost and futile... like tears in the rain.

I'm doing it for the people that might actually end up believing what you wrote.
[Galaxy S 5 General] Mandeep148:
Lol I think a non developer or a wallpaper maker trying to b developer.

After seen your reply, that cleared what you have experience.

How much you help or respect crap exynos tech. That will be always crap.

Your loving words for bad tech won't help or increase the sale.
[Galaxy S 5 General] drakester09:
Ad hominems just prove you don't have an argument and I'm not going to go down that road.

Cheers.
[Galaxy S 5 General] rl421403:
Hahaha. That's the story. No facts, no stats, no theory. Just one statement written in hard drive. Exynos is crap.

I am loving it. ;)
[Galaxy S 5 General] NoteboyTech:
Exynos rules still does.. This version is far better than 801.. Its just less samsung material for devs. Less documentation by Samsung.. Otherwise day to day usage exynos is better.. Infact its good..
[Galaxy S 5 General] BSDgeek_Jake:
General Info:

In INDIA Samsung has no choice for 'Snapdragon' BUT there baby 'Exynos' due to the fact that This Country is not LTE ready. LTE (4G/5G) is started moving in few cities (only 5-6 cities has it) BUT excluding Delhi and Mumbai but still its not available in general. So Y release a SoC which doesnt work for it is supposed to be.

Exynos is Better due to ARM HMP, Power Effeciency, Wolfson DAC. :good:

Guys please try to understand that if you are paying for a hardware but not using it beacuse of no technology then Y is the fight for Good or Bad. :good:

If you dont like the phone then buy some other. Eventually you will lead to some other issues and start over.

Please keep the thread clean and let it live.
[Galaxy S 5 General] rl421403:
Couldn't have said it better. Completely agree with you.

And also on that, we should keep the thread clean and let it live.

I think we should ignore such posts from now on. Let them be happy with what they feel.
[Galaxy S 5 General] RohanM:
Well At one point Cynogen team denide CM support for galaxy S4 just because of exenos ..

Source

Just to make this discussion(I hope it's still discussion) a little more interesting.
[Galaxy S 5 General] Bleeding-Edge-Armour:
Yes, and that was because of a lack of documentation and sources which is unfortunately still true, however that wasn't the point he was trying to make in that post, the point was that a misinformed poster made a comment on how the Exynos chipset was outdated and drakester09 was just pointing out that it isn't.
[Galaxy S 5 General] rl421403:
Yes, [MENTION=4591658]Bleeding-Edge-Armour[/MENTION] is right.

Read about it here from the people who were involved.

http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=39316101