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[Galaxy Note 8.0 (Tablet) General] sirgawain123:
Canadian and U.S stock 4.4.2: are in they multiuser enabled? It seems that UK 4.4.2 is not.

Thanks in advance!

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[Galaxy Note 8.0 (Tablet) General] rtiangha:
When I flashed the Canadian one, I didn't get multi-user. I had to root it to enable it. Haven't tried the American one, but it does seem to have a newer build date than the Canadian one (May 26 instead of May1).
[Galaxy Note 8.0 (Tablet) General] Alegre70:
I have a question, my Note 8 downloaded the KK update overnight.....I forgot to set it to ask me first..... I haven't installed it yet.

Is it possible to not install it at all? Or am I stuck having to install it now that it has downloaded?

My 8.0 is stock.

Thanks.
[Galaxy Note 8.0 (Tablet) General] GMAN1722:
if you don't want to upgrade it, simply don't click install now. but you'll probably continuously get the annoying reminder to install it.
[Galaxy Note 8.0 (Tablet) General] ducklas1:
Hey guys will the kitkat update kill my warranty...no safe way to update and root???
[Galaxy Note 8.0 (Tablet) General] BOOMER_SOONER:
Same here, nothing for att note 8
[Galaxy Note 8.0 (Tablet) General] BclingergFJ:
I have multi user and am in Paradise.

Sent via my Note 8
[Galaxy Note 8.0 (Tablet) General] Yoron101:
US multi-user mode

US version of 4.4.2 for the N5110 enables multi-user mode in settings--haven't tried using it, but it is there. No problems doing a stock 4.2.2 OTA update to 4.4.2; no issues to report so far (other than multi-window not working; but it was working on 4.2.2 for me either; haven't done any of the troubleshooting for it yet).
[Galaxy Note 8.0 (Tablet) General] Spidey01:
Also remember -- if you have a 3G or LTE model, you will NOT get multi-user. Google restricts Multi-user to Wi-Fi only devices.
[Galaxy Note 8.0 (Tablet) General] sefrcoko:
Kitkat requires the new bootloader (which includes Knox) to work properly. Without it, wifi doesn't work. By flashing the new bootloader and then the rom you will trip the Knox counter and void warranty. As of now there is no known way to reset the knox counter. Civato just released his kernel and rom though, and users have confirmed that his kernel allows working wifi without requiring the new kitkat bootloader. Seems like you could install his rom (but NOT flash the new bootloader) and then flash his kernel. This would in theory give you rooted, working kitkat without the Knox bootloader. Disclaimer: Haven't tried it myself. :)
[Galaxy Note 8.0 (Tablet) General] oland681:
guys, just an advice from a noob, better not to update to 4.4.2, its totally worthless, inaccuracies in the S-pen, nothing new.. 4.2.2 still way better than 4.4.2..
[Galaxy Note 8.0 (Tablet) General] sefrcoko:
Just use CivZ rom/kernel if you update. Better battery and performance for me, and s-pen fixed.
[Galaxy Note 8.0 (Tablet) General] Spidey01:
For many end users there is little difference between Android 4.1.x, 4.2.2, 4.3, and 4.4.x other than the system bars and the usual refinements (bug fixes, performance tuning, greater accessibility, etc) that come with every release. Stuff like Multi-user and lockscreen widgets and screen saver things (day dreams), yes those are worth mentioning. But really most of the coolest stuff that changed is developer oriented; stuff that lets us make apps we couldn't before or make them with lesser headaches (like not using the accessibility trick for notifications access).

So really people won't miss out on a lot
[Galaxy Note 8.0 (Tablet) General] titotito1983:
For me the simple fact that my battery is lasting almost twice as it used to with 4.2.2 is enough to upgrade. So, I'm happy with 4.4.2
[Galaxy Note 8.0 (Tablet) General] carvation:
So is mine , I'm pleased to say my battery is lasting now and getting good results. Before 4.4 I was ready to sell this thing quick
[Galaxy Note 8.0 (Tablet) General] mingkee:
4.4.2 fixed one of the most annoying problem with multiple access points.

In order to elimate Wi-Fi dead spots, I have multiple access points installed with same SSID as well as same WPA2 and exactly same password.

The problem was Note 8 refused to connect to another access point due to authentication error which never happens on ALL other laptop, smartphones, and tablets.

With 4.4.2, the problem is gone.

Now I got the new problem downloading files onto memory card (a common problem happens on Samsung devices running 4.4.x), but once I rooted it again (I don't worry Knox because it's more than one year old), I fixed the problem.

The battery is a bit worse than 4.2.2 (100:85).
[Galaxy Note 8.0 (Tablet) General] kisrita:
It's been a long time since I've had stock Android on my Nexus 7 LTE tablet, so I can't be sure, but I was not aware of such a restriction by Google. I know phones didn't get multi user, but my Nexus LTE tablet does have it. Granted I'm using CM 10.2 (jellybean not kitkat), but I didn't think that was a CM addition(?). Samsung may restrict it however, since they removed multi user from the Note 8 Android 4.2, even though it was available in Stock Android. I'll be upgrading my Note 8 to kitkat only for the multi user feature. I'm not upgrading my Nexus 7 to kitkat still because all it does is make you lose flash. I tried it and didn't see a benefit and went back to CM 10.2 instead.
[Galaxy Note 8.0 (Tablet) General] Spidey01:
It's probably a CyanogenMod thing, although nothing says Google has to follow their own terms. Here's what they require people do if they wanna license Google Play and all that compatibility jazz:

Source: http://static.googleusercontent.com/media/source.android.com/en/us/compatibility/android-cdd.pdf

Multiple users also implements restrictions about dealing with external storage that were not there in 4.2.2:

I'm not sure what the story was on 4.2 about Multi-user, all that I know is it was a tablet thing at the time.
[Galaxy Note 8.0 (Tablet) General] rtiangha:
Just an update for anyone who was interested: I decided to reformat my Note 8 today to start from scratch and switched from the Canadian 4.4.2 ROM to the US ROM.

While the Canadian version didn't have multi-user enabled (I previously used an Xposed plugin to turn it on), the US version did have it baked in, and a newer build date (May 26 vs May 1). Not sure what other changes the US version has, but my multi-user on my hacked Canadian ROM was a little buggy. Hopefully, the US version is more stable.
[Galaxy Note 8.0 (Tablet) General] kisrita:
Thank you, interesting info. May be the difference is because the Nexus 7 LTE is a data only tablet and is not able to make calls like the Note 8 GSM or LTE (?) Tablet. Kind of a bummer since it makes a new higher resolution Note 8 with LTE and phone capability plus multi user not possible so I have to keep multiple devices. On the bright side it also means no reason to upgrade. ...
[Galaxy Note 8.0 (Tablet) General] Guuilp:
My note 8 is on UK kit Kat, but it doesn't has multi user.... Is only for the US version?

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[Galaxy Note 8.0 (Tablet) General] rtiangha:
The US version is a slightly newer build than the rest of the 4.4.2 Roms released in May. So for now, it's the only 4.4.2 ROM with multi-user built in without having to root your device.
[Galaxy Note 8.0 (Tablet) General] Guuilp:
Interesting, thanks for the information!

Enviado de meu Nexus 5 usando Tapatalk
[Galaxy Note 8.0 (Tablet) General] nrseife:
I installed (via Odin) the UK one on my GT-N5110 (I live in the US, but did not want to wait for the OTA)...how can I install the US one?
[Galaxy Note 8.0 (Tablet) General] mingkee:
It looks like Quadrant has got some boost with 4.4.2.
[Galaxy Note 8.0 (Tablet) General] rtiangha:
The exact same way (download the US ROM, flash through Odin). But if you've rooted your device, you'll lose your root and will have to re-root it. Your data should be fine.
[Galaxy Note 8.0 (Tablet) General] nrseife:
Thanks - what again is the US country code ... I remembet looking a while ago and it was not "USA" if I rember correctly.
[Galaxy Note 8.0 (Tablet) General] rtiangha:
It would be this one:

http://www.sammobile.com/firmwares/3/?download=30487
[Galaxy Note 8.0 (Tablet) General] Spidey01:
If you have a 5100 or 5120, you will not have it. If you have a 5110 then it just depends on if Samsung enabled it in your build. It's an "Technically optional" feature on Wi-Fi only devices, as far as OEMs like Samsung have to meet requirements.
[Galaxy Note 8.0 (Tablet) General] AddVariety:
Hi everyone, I'm currently on 4.1.2, which is the latest version offered OTA or via Kies in my region (Netherlands). I want to update to 4.4.2 and see that there are both United Kingdom and Germany stock versions of the 4.4.2 update. However, since the PDA code is different (N5110XXDNE1 for the UK firmware, N5110XXBMD1 for my device) I wonder if I should run into any issues.

I'd assume the hardware doesn't differ from country to country (apart maybe from US vs. Europe vs. Asia), but maybe there are some other restrictions or can I just update using Odin to the 4.4.2 UK firmware?
[Galaxy Note 8.0 (Tablet) General] PocketFuzz:
KitKat DOES curtail write ability to external SD card, cannot put apps on external sd card, cannot put files on externalmsd card. Totally cripples the reason for having an external sd card! I use my sd card all the time to allow the device to utilize its full internal potential. I specifically bought this device, and others to be able to write to the sd card. KitKat takes this ability away from us! Forces files to be sent to cloud storage if you want a clutter free internal storage area.

I got an OTA notice of system update and approved it before discovering that KitKat disables MY use kf MY sd card to suit MY needs!

Do you use Data Viz for documents? Cannot save to external sd card with KitKat !

Do you use File Manager hd ? Cannot move files to external sd card with KitKat !

Do you use a Photo managing app? Photobucket, Camera Ace, Pics Art, Fish Bowl? Cannot save to ext sd card with KitKat!

Use Polaris? Cannot save to ext sd card with KitKat!

Want to install a new app and move it to your ext sd card? Cannot move it with KitKat!

Have a sketching app? Cannot save to ext. Sd card!

My note 8 is the WiFi only version, do not need carrier because I have a Note 3, got the tablet specifically for sketching and better document/photo editing on the larger screen. Doesnt do me much good if my internal memory gets clogged with files and apps!

Shame on Android for curtailing our use of our devices and access to our own sd cards!

I will be restoring my Note 8 to stock Jelly Bean with the help of wonderful folks here on xda!
[Galaxy Note 8.0 (Tablet) General] cruise350:
Or you could root your device and restore full functionality of your sdcard with a quick fix.
[Galaxy Note 8.0 (Tablet) General] LomDiV:
As I already wrote, it looks like update just for update version number.

Update, root, install fix and get the same device that was before update.
[Galaxy Note 8.0 (Tablet) General] QuanGan:
lol
[Galaxy Note 8.0 (Tablet) General] rirawin:
what is the process for root for the note 8, is simple?
[Galaxy Note 8.0 (Tablet) General] QuanGan:
GREAT
[Galaxy Note 8.0 (Tablet) General] PocketFuzz:
Have to admit I am leary of rooting. 1) because all my pc s are still running XP with outdated security now. 2) because I see a fair amount of "Help me, my device is bricked!" posts, on this forum and across other forums.

Since I wrote my comment about Kit Kat update taking away use of sd card, I have discovered a work around without rooting.

Yes, KitKat still cripples my apps abilities to write to the card. But I can move the files to the card using the on board file manager (My Files).

It stinks that the app developers worked hard to provide functionality but then KitKat takes it away. I paid for this device and those apps, I chose that feature!

It is rather like a car manufacturer imposing their restrictions upon which routes I take to get to my destination!
[Galaxy Note 8.0 (Tablet) General] tourist2:
Just updated it a few days ago through Kies. For some reason I cannot do it OTA through WiFi as it keep saying I have insufficient space internal or external which is not true. Anyway, the update through Kies was successful. I had the multi-windows issue since the 4.2 update but did not reset it to factory. This time I did the reset to factory after the 4.4.2 update before restoring files. Everything is working properly and it does have multi-user support. There must be some bug before the update that the internal memory is almost full all the time. Now after I restore everything, I still have half of the internal memory left which was the case before I had problem on my Note 8.0. Anyway, I am a happy user again.

By the way, I still cannot get the SideSync3.0 working after the update. It just cannot connect. I guess I may need to wait for a new app release that supports Note8.0. Right now, I am using SideSync2.0 which works fine.
[Galaxy Note 8.0 (Tablet) General] BclingergFJ:
Shame that MYFILES has so few features. I use it and ES Fill Explorer.

Via my Note 3
[Galaxy Note 8.0 (Tablet) General] tourist2:
I have switched to File Manager although I still use ES from time to time.
[Galaxy Note 8.0 (Tablet) General] Gadgety:
Thanks for the heads up!
[Galaxy Note 8.0 (Tablet) General] oldblue910:
Considering that the AT&T Note 8.0 skipped 4.2.2, and is still on 4.1.2, it had best get KitKat. If this thing never gets an OS update, it will be the crime of the century. I have all the faith in the world that the AT&T SGH-I467 variant will get the KitKat update at some point...the question is when. Has the US WiFi model got the update yet?
[Galaxy Note 8.0 (Tablet) General] Newcron:
Yes, the US WiFi model received 4.4.2 a while ago.
[Galaxy Note 8.0 (Tablet) General] oldblue910:
Well considering that there were a number of firmware variants worldwide that didn't receive 4.2.2, at least we AT&T users aren't alone. The fact that some of those got updates from 4.1.2 directly to 4.4.2 gives me a lot of hope that the AT&T variant will see the same treatment. Here's hoping. Even 15 months post launch, this is still one hell of a tablet.
[Galaxy Note 8.0 (Tablet) General] Newcron:
I hope you'll eventually get your update. This is what's annoying when you're dealing with both manufacturer and carrier. Even if Samsung stepped up and got their stuff ready, AT&T takes their sweet time because there's no incentive for them to get the update out quickly (or even at all).

This is why in this day and age if update is important for your Android device with SIM card slot, then get an international version or a GPE version. If you *have* to get the carrier-branded version, make sure you can get it unlocked easily (both SIM and bootloader), and it's easy to root and install custom ROMs (and they're available). Otherwise if you're unlucky, you could be stuck with whatever OS version you got out of the box forever.
[Galaxy Note 8.0 (Tablet) General] oldblue910:
I would never buy an international SIM free version of any Samsung device if I was going to use it in the US. You won't get LTE since Samsung locks out US LTE bands from those devices on purpose. They don't want people importing them and taking business from their carrier partners. Further, Samsung does not sell unlocked devices direct to US consumers. If you live in the US and want a Samsung device with usable LTE, you have to buy it from a carrier. The end.

As far as unlocked bootloaders and root go, I outgrew that crap long ago. haha I haven't rooted a device in years. With modern versions of Android, there's really only two reasons to root a device anymore, in my opinion:

1. Because you can

2. Because you'd rather tinker with the device incessantly than use it productively every day.

To each his own, but I personally have no use for root.
[Galaxy Note 8.0 (Tablet) General] Newcron:
First of all, if you read my post carefully, those things I mentioned are *if* getting an OS update is important for you. If it isn't, then there's no need to bother.

Second, I wasn't talking about just Samsung, and if Samsung intentionally did what you said, well just don't buy their devices, simple. Samsung is not the end all and be all of Android phones. There are others. Also, what about GPE version of Samsung phones? It is sold direct in the US, unlocked, and gets LTE.

Third, the sole reason the 'rooting crap' is important in this case is a third reason that you didn't list, which is so you can get your device updated to the latest OS version, via custom ROM, if AT&T dropped the ball. Which I thought is what we've been discussing all along.

Finally, I personally don't root my tablet either. My phone I still do root because I need to run a couple of apps (Android Firewall, for instance) that require root access.

So again, back to number one, if you have a mobile device with SIM slot that is carrier branded *and* OS update is not that important to you, then everything is good. There's no problem!
[Galaxy Note 8.0 (Tablet) General] oldblue910:
I think my post was a bit sharply worded when I didn't intend it to be. Sorry. I should stay off XDA after having indulged in spirits. ;)
[Galaxy Note 8.0 (Tablet) General] Ice_Blade:
Each to his own IO say, for me an Android device without root is close to useless :D
[Galaxy Note 8.0 (Tablet) General] mingkee:
Unfortunately, 4.4.x has write-to-SD problem which requires root to fix.
[Galaxy Note 8.0 (Tablet) General] oldblue910:
That "problem" is grossly overblown, in my opinion. You can still write to your SD card all day long if you plug your phone into your computer and any app installed in /system can write to it as well. All Google did was make it so that a non-system app can't write to the SD card except in its own dedicated folder that is only accessible to that app. That is absolutely the correct choice from a security standpoint, as far as I'm concerned. Removable storage can be a huge security risk in and of itself, and because of that, apps should not be able to write whatever they want to the SD card wherever they choose.
[Galaxy Note 8.0 (Tablet) General] mingkee:
This is NOT the case.

I had hard time to save file from app (browser or Sendspace) to memory card. Some files can be very large and quickly fill the internal (16GB vs. 128GB). Don't tell me move the files from internal to memory card afterwards.
[Galaxy Note 8.0 (Tablet) General] BclingergFJ:
It is a pain and like most, the security issue was not an issue. It is now an issue that greatly affects my enjoyment of the platform.

Via my Note 3
[Galaxy Note 8.0 (Tablet) General] Agfadoc:
It stops programs like drop sync to not allow syncing of your drop box files. I had to root to fix.
[Galaxy Note 8.0 (Tablet) General] Fleischmann:
Will the Note 8.0 get Android L?
[Galaxy Note 8.0 (Tablet) General] gabripranzo:
No one knows, but I'm quite sure it won't.

Inviato dal mio GT-N7100 utilizzando Tapatalk
[Galaxy Note 8.0 (Tablet) General] oldblue910:
I'd be shocked if it did.
[Galaxy Note 8.0 (Tablet) General] mutonic:
weird, I missed this official update and installed CM11 instead (after waiting one year that my warranty expired) :silly:,

but I do not like samsung touchWiz anyway and I needed root!!

btw my 10th post :D after ... such a long time registered here ^^
[Galaxy Note 8.0 (Tablet) General] LordGeek:
Well it will be interesting to see what happens with this .. I just filed a formal complaint with the Atlanta BBB against AT&T in regards to everything I have read up here and on AT&T Community Forums about our Samsung Galaxy Note 8.0 (SGH-i467) and the lack of support since the release of the tablet. The lack of communication from AT&T as to there intentions with this tablet .. whether an update is coming or not .. when we can expect anything since KitKat 4.4 has been out since October 31, 2013 .. and we have seen NOTHING.

So, will keep you posted as to what happens with the filing.
[Galaxy Note 8.0 (Tablet) General] oldblue910:
A lot of this has absolutely nothing to do with AT&T. A lot of it is Samsung.

First off, you have to realize that, all things considered, only a handful of variants worldwide ever got the 4.2.2 update. Samsung left a lot of variants on 4.1.2, for reasons we'll never know. The AT&T variant was one of them. AT&T can't delay an update they were never asked to test in the first place.

As far as KitKat goes, Samsung released that update to the first variants around the middle of May, or roughly 2 months ago. Assuming they handed the update over to AT&T for testing around that same time, the update should be rolled out any time now. Otherwise, if there were bugs found or whatever, there could be delays past that. I'd be surprised if we didn't see the update sometime in August.

You have to understand that, as much as we tech geeks hate it, carriers have every right to test and certify software updates before they get rolled out. In the US, carriers are the ones who put up money to market, sell, and support these devices, and they handle warranty exchanges, and all the other overhead that goes with these devices. Because of that, they have every right to ensure that a software update isn't going to cause a nightmare for their support staff.

In the end Samsung is really the one you should be pointing the finger at here, not AT&T. Now, if we get into September or October and still no update, then yes, point the finger gratuitously at AT&T.
[Galaxy Note 8.0 (Tablet) General] dmunjal:
I do blame AT&T for the locked bootloader. It prevents me from finding any other options.
[Galaxy Note 8.0 (Tablet) General] oldblue910:
That's perfectly fair to blame AT&T for the locked bootloader. That really wasn't the point of my post, though. We are talking about the official KitKat update. The bootloader is a whole other conversation.
[Galaxy Note 8.0 (Tablet) General] dmunjal:
It's related because I think I would have found a way to get KitKat without AT&T by now. I just loaded CM11 on a TMobile Note 10.1 with no problem. I'm no longer dependent on Samsung or a carrier. There's a reason you don't see Nexus or GPE tablets with LTE. Nexus 7 being the notable exception.
[Galaxy Note 8.0 (Tablet) General] Chaosblader:
best stock rom 4.4.2 for N5100 ?

Russia N5100XXDNG2

Egypt N5100XWDNF1

Uruguay N5100UBCND1

Poland N5100XXDNE2
[Galaxy Note 8.0 (Tablet) General] User_99:
Russia should be e best. S-PEN alignement fixed at all.
[Galaxy Note 8.0 (Tablet) General] LordGeek:
Regardless of what people responded on here about my actions.. today I received a call from Kevin at the AT&T Executive Offices .. the worse part was, I missed his call. I do have all his information and will be calling him back first thing tomorrow morning.

Posted by LordGeek using his trusted HTC One (M8) on Tapatalk VIP
[Galaxy Note 8.0 (Tablet) General] oldblue910:
Keep us posted!
[Galaxy Note 8.0 (Tablet) General] LordGeek:
Well I got a hold of Kevin from AT&T .. confirming my submission of the complaint up on BBB .. is totally aware of the situation with the Samsung Galaxy Note 8.0 (SGH-i467) and understands the frustration that consumers are going through. Told him that its not just the consumers, but the false advertising actually right on AT&T website for this device stating it has Android 4.3 installed on it .. when this device NEVER saw that version on it ever !!!

Kevin stated he needed a day of two (2) to get things worked (research) out here in regards to a resolution that would make me happy !

Now I put a 2 part resolution in the complaint with BBB .. so it will be interesting as to what he comes back with.. they were:

1. A locked in date as to when the consumers will be receiving and update on this device.

2. A full refund of the current selling value of the item on ATT.com as a "No Annual Contract" of $449.99 .. reason I asked for that was I purchased this on the AT&T Next program back in August 2013 .. by the time that program is up, I would have paid the FULL no contract price for the device.

So .. will give him 2 days before I start calling him back.
[Galaxy Note 8.0 (Tablet) General] dmunjal:
Any news on this?