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[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario Software Upgrading] decepticon:
My phone didn't resolve the sleep/new email issue how can I tell if it's AKU 2.2?

I would like to see this thread opened as I am very confident that the rom will be released within the next few weeks (nothing confirming that just speculation on how solid this rom is)

I do have connectivity issues with my new H700 headset but I believe it to be limited to the headset and I ordered a Moto ADP2 headset which should be in next week to test.

I was hoping for Cingular to add PTT to this rom update or even just a software download but that appears to not be the case but would have been a nice bonus.

I never try Direct Push with WiFi on as I am rarely near an AP other than home but I will test it tomorrow sometime.
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario Software Upgrading] ikkoku:
so is OP decepticon? or was refering to decepticon? or was the OP talking about a different source for the ROM? Did OP go AWOL?
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario Software Upgrading] jessebra:
Funny?

Not trying to start an argument here or anything as I really haven't earned that right in these forums but am I the only one that finds it funny that people in these forums use M$ when talking about Microsoft? I guess I would understand it if I was on a Linux, or Mac, or Playstation fanboy website but on a site that deals with a killer product that Microsoft produces? I find it funny that is all, maybe I am a bit punch drunk as it is getting a bit passed my bed time.

Anyway to keep this a bit on topic I hope we see the new ROM soon... ;-) Thanks to all the helpful people on these forums.
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario Software Upgrading] JzL:
^ short hand.. get used to it.
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario Software Upgrading] colinl:
thank you deception. i understand. please dont hesitate to let us know about future roms that are still being tested. it's nice to have cingular doing the testing for us, but they should consider allowing a few modders a chance to try them out and give feedback. i bet they would benefit alot from it.
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario Software Upgrading] DanITman:
Here is how you find your build:

Start --> Settings --> System Tab ---> About

Post your build # and OS

Also, Direct Push is not supported over WiFi, it is designed to work over Wireless WAN like a GPRS network. Of course you can still synch over WiFi, just that DirectPush doesn't work
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario Software Upgrading] Sleuth255:
The only thing I've been able to get is that M$ doesn't do direct push over WiFi due to the fact that it doesn't run when the device is in powersave mode. I've not seen the lockup personally, only my connection downgraded to GPRS/Edge speed.
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario Software Upgrading] Sleuth255:
@decepticon:

AFAIK, no AKU2.2 ROM has been released for the HTC wizard yet. The Cingular AKU2 update will be the first. Somebody plz correct me if I'm wrong on this btw...
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario Software Upgrading] Sleuth255:
Re: Funny?

Its not meant to be mean... The simple fact is that Microsoft makes the most $ of any Technology Company on the planet so why not abbreviate and tell the truth at the same time?
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario Software Upgrading] jessebra:
Re: Funny?

True, I will give you that... I guess I am just used to seeing M$ used so frequently in posts flaming them for this that or the other thing that I have come to see M$ as a negative way of saying MS. But I see your point... :-)
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario Software Upgrading] decepticon:
I dont know the OP so he wasnt talking about me, I just got my rom last Friday and installed it this weekend.
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario Software Upgrading] nickcerda:
I don't mean to offend decepticon, but I really do find it quite funny that he thinks Cingular can digitally track a rom release, but can't seem to get their OLAM right after how long...?
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario Software Upgrading] redrover:
Personally I think its BS.

Otherwise we would see something. Screen shots mean nothing in todays world of photoshop. SHOW US THE MONEY!
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario Software Upgrading] kyphur:
Not to defend decepticon but...

He didn't say he thinks they can track it, he said that he was worried about being barred from future advance testing because Cingular does know what employees they have included in this round and they could easily just exclude everyone who had access to the leaked ROM (as a easy way to ensure they exclude the leak).

As for the taunting "screenshots mean nothing", then stop reading this thread. I personally appreciate the info. Without it we would not know that:

1. Cingular is actually planning to release a new Rom

2. It will be AKU2.2 or greater.

If you need to be running on a 2.0 Rom then just do it and stop whining, you'll be able to flash with the official Cingular Rom when it is released.

For a group of intelligent power users (are my expectation too high) there sure seem to be a lot of whiners here.

For everyone who is whining, what have you contributed to the cause lately? Wrote any apps, figured-out how to unlock the Ext-ROM in the AKU2 Roms, build a nice custom Rom????? How many leeches are crying just 'cause they can't wait?

I'd rather see a solid ROM released than a quick one..
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario Software Upgrading] redrover:
Relax I wasnt taunting...info is great as long as you can back it. As usual in the hacking world everyone relies on 1 person for the newest and greatest. The rest of us are all "can I have it now that youve hacked it" people. There are some really bright people on these forums.

Where do you get your facts from that Cingular is going to release a new rom soon and how do you know it will be AKU 2.2 or greater? We all know that cingular is 'supposed' to release an update...but who really knows when that will happen.

I do appreciate the info. And I understand about someone getting busted for releasing a ROM that they shouldnt be. Those that whine should take their pacifiers and wait for Cingular to release something.
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario Software Upgrading] darkjedi:
how can you say that those screenshots are photoshopped? the latest rom for the wizard is 2.21, and cingular's is 2.23. and i've mentioned that cingular is going to release the ROM is Q2, so that's between now and the end of June.
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario Software Upgrading] redrover:
How can you say they arent photoshopped? Im not looking to stir up stuff...Only time will tell if and when there will be a new ROM. In the meantime I dont see any real proof of any release happening.

I hope youre right with the new release. :D
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario Software Upgrading] elyl:
Good lord!

What other crazy ramblings are we going to have on this forum next?! Aliens abducted Elvis??? JFK shot JR?!!?

Whoever thought they could come on here and fool us into thinking that a mobile operator was going to release a minor ROM update must think our heads button up the back! Nice try, pal, but we're not all inbred bumpkins that will believe anything we're told!
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario Software Upgrading] kyphur:
You're missing something here....

CINGULAR HAS NOT RELEASED A 2.X ROM YET!

So this would not be a "minor ROM Update" but rather a case of Cingular being slow to the gate actually working in favor of the end users here. If the earlier provided info is correct then this is the first whispher of an AKU2.2 Rom.
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario Software Upgrading] darkjedi:
this coming from a guy from scotland, and who's operator is o2; awesome! if you actually knew anything, you'd realize that Cingular has specifically said they will release an AKU2 rom in Q2 of this year.
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario Software Upgrading] decepticon:
Ok ass then tell me where I said they can digitally track a rom leak?

[Edit]

Sorry quoted the wrong person
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario Software Upgrading] decepticon:
Thank you come again
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario Software Upgrading] summiter:
I'm pretty much ready for this entire thread to disappear and stuff. I may very well have lost a few IQ points for having read it. Well, OK that's kinda harsh and could be the result of ingesting an alchoholic beverage but still.
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario Software Upgrading] SkyyBoy:
I will eat my stylus if Cingular manages to get out an "official" AKU2.2 release before qtek (or imate) get theirs out.

just my $0.02
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario Software Upgrading] mickangel:
I think he was being sarcastic; it is a popular form of wit in english-speaking countries. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarcasm

For example:

Summiter (much kudos to him) is right: this thread is sucking IQ out of all who read it, including me.
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario Software Upgrading] nickcerda:
First I started my post with that. Second I misread your post, and third I really dont think theres any need for name calling. I really didnt mean to offend you I was ripping on Cingulars OLAM anyway, not you. So, since I must have offended you, I apologize.
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario Software Upgrading] philly fan:
Direct Push works over WiFi. I use WiFi at the house and still get my email from work while connected to wireless.
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario Software Upgrading] DanITman:
Dude, you might be eating your stylus then. Qtek and Imate have both released their AKU2.0 ROMS to the market but I doubt they will release a AKU2.2 they will probably wait until AKU2.5. 2.2 was a minor upgrade that I think they will just bypass.

So back to your origianl statement that I think Cingular is going to relase their 2.2 ROM because I don't think qtek and imate will ever release one.

Get ready to take some pictures.
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario Software Upgrading] elyl:
I'm sure your nation is proud that you're doing your bit to dispel the myth that irony is lost on Americans.
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario Software Upgrading] Sleuth255:
Nope. It doesn't. It still uses the GPRS radio even though you have WiFi on. I got this right from the M$ developer and it backs up my own experience. Most recently, the WWAN coverage at MEDC sucked so I turned off my phone and ran exclusively over wifi. I had to manually sync each time I wanted to see messages. Direct push wouldn't work.
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario Software Upgrading] darkjedi:
my point is, you don't live here, so you can't comment about it, cuz you don't know what the hell you're talking about.
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario Software Upgrading] elyl:
Right, so because, according to you, I do not live in the USA, I cannot comment on a US-based operator releasing a ROM? Well, I'm not from Saudi Arabia, but I can comment on i-mate ROMs, I'm not from Sweden, but I can comment on Qtek ROMs.

I refer you to...

I also refer you to...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irony

But, whatever, just keep posting and everyone can laugh at what an ass you are.
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario Software Upgrading] lewcamino:
WOW, this entire thread got very out of hand.

Lets try acting like the people that gave these forums the good reputation it has and stop flaming each other.

I would say that if you are too pessimistic to believe that he is giving real information about the ROM release, then either don't read the thread or take it with a grain of salt.

Outside of that lets get back to acting like mature adults (or mature kids for some of us) and keep this forums good reputation.

Later; Lew

BTW: Keep the info comin' on that ROM. Gives us cingular people something to look forward to.
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario Software Upgrading] Dr Puttingham:
Ditto dude! 'nuff said I believe
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario Software Upgrading] darkjedi:
well qtek and i-mate AREN'T operators! o2 and orange are, but NOT i-mate. just goes to know that you still dont know what the hell you're talking about. but nice try though...
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario Software Upgrading] lewcamino:
Well..... so much for my idea....
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario Software Upgrading] darkjedi:
sorry, i just hate stupid people.
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario Software Upgrading] decepticon:
Ditto

I so far have noticed one bug, if you frequently change from portrait to landscape mode like I do when sending SMS the touchscreen alignment gets seriously thrown off and has to be re aligned...that gets annoying.

I have installed the rom on my sisters 8125 and swapped with her for a few days to see if it's my device or the rom.
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario Software Upgrading] slimsaturn:
Deception,

I am having the same issue with the 2.17 ROM that became availible last month or there abouts on this forum. I am having to re align my screen 2 to 3 times a day. Its annoying, wish I could fix it. I first thought this could be in part of the programs I have loaded but I doubt we are running the same things.

Do you have an issue with the the backlight setting reverting back to default

I have had this to and each time no explanation. Then today i went to readjust the backlight and half of the settings icons were missing. One of these was the backlight one. I am not sure what the heck is happening but if cingular doesn't release a new one soon, I may reflash or revert.
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario Software Upgrading] decepticon:
I couldnt tell you about the backlight as I use the default setting and just turn the LCD off when I am done with whatever I am doing.

As far as the apps I run, I mostly just use SMS, IE, DirectPush, iGuidance, and Earthcomber.

I don't believe it to be an application issue but simply changing between portrait and landscape often, I went all day today without changing and it worked fine then I used the keyboard to send a text and like Emeril....BAM!
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario Software Upgrading] DanITman:
The sad part is I check this thread about 5 times a day. Sad....very sad.
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario Software Upgrading] elyl:
Well, it just goes to show how much you totally missed the point of my original post. I should, really, just allow you to wallow in that ignorance, safe in the knowledge that the irony of my comment was self proving - but it is not in my character to tolerate such ignorance, so I shall do what I strive to do normally on this forum, and help you out...

So, not only did you make a fool of yourself by not understanding the (very obvious, I must say) irony in my original post, you continued to show yourself up by starting to flame me. You see, my original comment drew attention to the absurdity of people claiming the new Cingular ROM was a fake - the intention of the comment was to highlight the absurd by juxtapositioning it with the truly absurd.

Now, I know having to explain irony, and my "joke" was embarassing for me, so I know you must be even more embarassed, I think we should leave it there.

Immaterial arguments about operators/resellers aside, perhaps you should be more willing to discuss things and help people, rather than taking any opportunity you can to snipe and flame. Your conduct on this thread and others is testament to your character flaws.
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario Software Upgrading] gb_r32:
Doesn't MS direct push just work by your exchange server sending a text message to your phone triggering activesync to sync whenever you receive mail. So if your phone radio is off how can you expect direct push to work? I believe activesync will try to sync with whatever connection has priority. USB then wifi then gprs. I could be wrong though. Who knows.
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario Software Upgrading] DanITman:
You have a lot of reading to do. The new Push Email doesn't use SMS it uses and open http session to always keep a connection with the exchange server. The notification that you are talking about is called AUTD.
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario Software Upgrading] gb_r32:
Ah I stand corrected. Guess that's the old way. I just wish my company didn't hide their OWA behind a VPN that requires a dynamic password to connect. Makes it hard to sync from outside the company WiFi. :(
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario Software Upgrading] sinanju:
This information is 9 months old, but it is from Microsoft and it does claim push will work over wi-fi. Since I've seen recommendations from MSFT suggesting that you can get push without deploying a VPN by using RPC over HTTP, I can't for the life of me think of a reason why Exchange would care if you were connected via wi-fi or GPRS.

http://news.com.com/Microsoft+readies+Exchange+2003+update/2100-1012_3-5836532.html
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario Software Upgrading] Sleuth255:
@sinanju:

You are correct. Exchange doesn't care. Its the WM implementation of wireless activesync that does. We hammered on M$ last week at MEDC concerning this very issue: the fact that direct push always uses the GPRS connection regardless of whether you have WiFi on or not. Their retort was that they chose GPRS only because that transport had the abililty to "wake" the device whereas a WiFi connection is actually terminated when the device goes into powersave mode.

Our collective points were this: Let us make that decision. If WiFi is on, use that and if its off, fall back to GPRS. If that isn't possible from an engineering standpoint, then give us a way to manually move the direct push process between transports knowing that a WiFi connection will not receive updates when our devices were in standby mode.
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario Software Upgrading] DanITman:
Direct Push and RSA SecurID can now work with each other. I'm assuming you are talking about RSA SecurID when you say the password is dynamic. Have your IT guys/girls do some reading here:

http://msexchangeteam.com/archive/2006/02/16/419756.aspx
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario Software Upgrading] foxbat121:
The initial sign up is still cumbsome (I tried it already). The RSA screen displayed on the phone is very difficult to work with.
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario Software Upgrading] gb_r32:
Nope Safeword Softoken or Goldcard
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario Software Upgrading] Jakaroe808:
I have been avoiding this thread for a week in hopes that the Cingular ROM would pop-up and suprise me, but not yet. This is taking far too long, and those quote brackets above are becoming far too huge.

-Pauly
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario Software Upgrading] mickangel:
As we all seem to be waiting for it and are tracking this thread to be notified, perhaps we can resist posting unless there is some specific news about the update (from those testing it) or the actual ROM.

I am looking forward to it - from the delay it sounds like Cingular are testing this thoroughly before release which is - after all - a good thing. That said, I am quite happy with my original ROM with SmartKey (*great* app) and overclocking the device to a more snapppy 228 Mhz.
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario Software Upgrading] acowx:
Release of AKU2.2

June 15th, *official* release date from Cingular
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario Software Upgrading] darkjedi:
source?
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario Software Upgrading] acowx:
Cingular AKU2.2

Cingular National Account Manager for my company, normally pretty accurate.
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario Software Upgrading] amg212:
I could understand planning a release date weeks (actually a full month) in advance if it is for a new product, where inventory in warehouses and marketing considerations come into play.

HOWEVER...

When it comes to a software patch for existing customers, what could possibly be the rationale for deciding now to wait ANOTHER full month??!?!!?

Either the information source is bad, or someone at Cingular is truly moronic...
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario Software Upgrading] aegeas:
Leak

That means we should see it soon in a leak, right?

;)
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario Software Upgrading] mikeruoc:
Lets hope!
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario Software Upgrading] acowx:
They found more bugs and aren't happy to release it, when you work in the software support industry and you have to deal with 1000's of non-technical moaning users you can't knock them for that !
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario Software Upgrading] GliTCH82:
Son of a.. just tell them to get Summiter over there on their team. He could have that patch out by tomorrow working by himself man!
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario Software Upgrading] summiter:
A little birdy, who I haven't decided whether I trust, told me that the delay with Cingular has more to do with developing marketing collateral related to DP, and training for their reps, than with code issues.

I intend to jump on any 2.2 or 2.5 version that manages to slither its way out, be it from Cingular, Imate, QTek, T-MO, or Slick Billy's Sellyoollar 'n Mashed Taters Inc.

Tweet tweet, and stuff.
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario Software Upgrading] decepticon:
As a rep I can assure you this is not the case.

Cingular may be putting money behind marketing it but training for support is something they know nothing about.

I am looked to for everything at work because I am the only person who has a clue as to how things work in my building, most reps would have an aneurysm if you told them Cingular sold a phone capable of e-mail.
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario Software Upgrading] GliTCH82:
That is just ridiculous. Does Cingular's corporate structure encourage employees to put in suggestions for improving service? Does that sort of thing go rewarded or is it more likely to get you fired for perceived intolerance with company practices?
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario Software Upgrading] Sleuth255:
But the burning question is this: Will Cingular release the update as a patch using the WM update kit that M$ released to operators? This process preserves your existing environment and merely upgrades the OS. Plam deployed it for their AKU2 update on the Treo 700W.

I sure would like to see a patch that didn't wipe my device.... I've got it just about where I want it and my only beef is the no vibrate in powersave mode for incoming emails bug and that damn battery icon (effectively worked around with levenum's today plugin though). Otherwise I wouldn't be interested in upgrading at all.

I've never had a device that is so damn useful btw...
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario Software Upgrading] DanITman:
I've never heard of this kind of update before. I thought the Verizon one was a ROM. I'm pretty sure this Cingular upgrade will be a ROM as well.
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario Software Upgrading] amg212:
Same here - I'll reflash my device, if necessary, to fix this bug - but once that is done, I'm not sure if I'd reflash it again for anything - even if the next upgrade allowed the device to shine my shoes via bluetooth :-)
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario Software Upgrading] elyl:
I read a load-of-balls excuse from Microsoft not that long ago as to why they scrapped the WM update kit upgrades. It was definitely on the cards when WM5 was released, but they came up with some excuse along the lines of not wanting to annoy the networks by allowing end users to upgrade to unsupported features. My guess is they just couldn't get it to work properly, but then, I'm a cynic! WM6 no doubt.
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario Software Upgrading] summiter:
the next rom you'll see for the 8125 whether from me or from cingular will be either aku2.2(more likely) or aku2.5(less likely) and neither has the vibe-on-mail "bug" fixed.

I was however just about to prepare a BT shoeshining app...limited to white and tan polish colors only due to inherent WM 5 limitations.
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario Software Upgrading] amg212:
Microsoft is going out of their way to take what is otherwise a killer device and committing it to "almost, but not quite"

Perhaps someone can come up with an applet that, upon receipt of an email, will wake the device, run the vibe, and then (if desired) re-sleep the device. Is this something that can be done with PhoneAlarm (haven't tried it yet)?

The performance, features, size... everything about this device is fantastic for me, but the vibe bug is SOOOOOOO frustrating (particularly becuase, out of courtesy to those in the workplace, I tend to keep my device on vibe almost all the time)

Do you think it will be skinable to incorporate other colors??? :-)