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[Sony Xperia Miro, Tipo (Dual), J, E] TheindianGuy:
Xperia Hardbricked

Guys i have a very serious problem.i have bricked my xperia e before(soft brick) and every time i have easily recovered.

But this situation is different.Heres what i did on the termin rom after some days of use:-

1) Booted up phone,went to settings and then fatory reset

2)CLEARED INTERNAL STORAGE USING THE BUTTON,since my space was getting low and wanted to put some high space requiring games on it

3)Phone said it was formatting and then reebooting

4)Phone turned off,went past sony logo and then DIED

The phone refuses to boot up and all that comes on is the proximity sensor light,not even the led

Things i have tried with no success

1)Charged phone over night.,..No difference

2)tried connecting to pc for flashtool using the volume key and all that......Pc DOESNT EVEN RECOGNISE

3)Charged battery to 100 using my friends xperia e....put back in phone.....no red blinking light,no vibration....stays dead

Thats pretty much it....If anyone can solve this i would be very grateful and appreciate your time and help...
[Sony Xperia Miro, Tipo (Dual), J, E] Johnt880:
Okay the only way to do it right Go to Sony companion on your pc and install the FTF from Sony

,That will def fix your phone like new again :D
[Sony Xperia Miro, Tipo (Dual), J, E] TheindianGuy:
How can i do that if companion is not recognising the device? ;-(

Please take me through the steps bro,.....cause its not getting past the "Connect" step...
[Sony Xperia Miro, Tipo (Dual), J, E] Johnt880:
You have to get the proper Kernel on your phone in order for you to get your pc to connect to it

Try and flash using the command prompt box ..If that works then companion will install right FTF file
[Sony Xperia Miro, Tipo (Dual), J, E] TheindianGuy:
na man....just now tried both command promp as well as flashtool for flashing a kernel..both did not work out.....somebody please advise further?
[Sony Xperia Miro, Tipo (Dual), J, E] axxx007xxxz:
[MENTION=5514333]TheindianGuy[/MENTION]: Try so:

Download (and install) Flashtool

Install driver of your device + Flashmode driver + Fastboot driver (C:\Flashtool\drivers\)

Reboot your computer

Download the stock FTF from here

Copy it in C:\Flashtool\firmwares\

Open Flashtool

Click ϟ

Select

Flashmode

Select downloaded firmware

Turn off your phone

When prompted connect the phone in Flashmode (USB + Vol down)

Wait

If you get an error when it flash the loader.sin, try to reflash the firmware

When it have ended, disconnect your phone

Boot your phone

:fingers-crossed:
[Sony Xperia Miro, Tipo (Dual), J, E] TheindianGuy:
thanks for replying so fast man but thats not the case... have aldready tried whatever you mentioned byt thanks........please go to the previus page and read the problem properly..... have aldready tried whatever you mentioned byt thanks....
[Sony Xperia Miro, Tipo (Dual), J, E] iH8Ecchi:
Hard brick cannot be fixed using normal ways. There are 2 things u can do now:

1. If your phone is still under warranty period (either voided or not, usually 12 month from when u bought the phone), go to a Sony service centre and PLAY STUPID. Like this: "Sir, today i turned my phone on but the sensor keeps flashing, can u fix this, blah blah...". Do NOT say anything about custom ROM or hard brick.

2. Either when step 1 is useless, or you lives in a jungle (no Sony centre), find a phone repair shop and ask for a fix. Remember u have to pay this time.
[Sony Xperia Miro, Tipo (Dual), J, E] TheindianGuy:
Yea i went to the service center yesterday, and unfortunately my warranty is over ( about 1 year and 6 months since i bought it)

anyways the guy was like "most probably the motherboard has to be replaced and will cost you 5000 rupees,but since the technician is returning after 4 day,will wait for him to open up the device and confirm"

I paid 10000 rs for the phone...i dont think im gonna pay 5000 to restore it..........Anyways going back after 4 days and just in case the technician ask me if i unlocked the bootloader,what should i say?Since he may fix it somehow and know if im lying :P
[Sony Xperia Miro, Tipo (Dual), J, E] iH8Ecchi:
Replace mainboard= lose everything. Even bootloader status.

If he ask, remember the rule. Just say "i dont know", or find someone to blame :p
[Sony Xperia Miro, Tipo (Dual), J, E] Leakhanak:
Waiting for E Dual!!!
[Sony Xperia Miro, Tipo (Dual), J, E] arunkumar_kd:
Waiting for e dual

When will u add this rom for e dual???:confused:
[Sony Xperia Miro, Tipo (Dual), J, E] fikriwirahman:
please make for E DUAL :(
[Sony Xperia Miro, Tipo (Dual), J, E] Sushant Gyawali:
Can you please update the download link for single . Its not working any more :)
[Sony Xperia Miro, Tipo (Dual), J, E] Jay4ü:
is this fast, stable and for gaming rom?
[Sony Xperia Miro, Tipo (Dual), J, E] KuaQ:
You want to Play games on this phone? Only 2d
[Sony Xperia Miro, Tipo (Dual), J, E] Jay4ü:
OK, fine but anyway i will use this and i try to boosten this ROM and i want to overclock the cpu and the governor is performance then applying the minfree to kill thoroughly and i try to apply swap using sdcard (to increase RAM) . Will it work? i must have given a try..,.,.,
[Sony Xperia Miro, Tipo (Dual), J, E] Ambychy:
try this one

Try this ROM. it is optimised for performance and gaming improvements

https://xdaforums.com/xperia-j-e/development/ambyrom-xperia-e-ss-t2831854
[Sony Xperia Miro, Tipo (Dual), J, E] Jay4ü:
Links are dead!! d-host server not working!!! anyone's help?? I need to try this ROM!!!!
[Sony Xperia Miro, Tipo (Dual), J, E] DXTN1:
holy ****! there are people still using this crap of a phone? must be hand me downs! but I do remember using this rom extensively, very stable, suchq quality, much interesting, wow,

now do yourselves a favor and get another phone, jellybean is so outdated, but the functionality you could gain with Xposed is worth it.
[Sony Xperia Miro, Tipo (Dual), J, E] amihir:
links are broken
[Sony Xperia Miro, Tipo (Dual), J, E] NeoTrix:
Deodex can make a ROM slow actually. Plus the honami media apps. :/

Would actually slow up a device * eventually *

Anyways, you might want to create a new thread, this thread is more discussion less rom-rom ( :P ) I've somehow got access to PC, will send my services.jar soon. :)

EDIT: file sent :)
[Sony Xperia Miro, Tipo (Dual), J, E] Grimlock007:
Does it happen everytime ....?

and whats wrong with honami apps?

/

thread will be cleared before release
[Sony Xperia Miro, Tipo (Dual), J, E] KDB223:
Looking forward to the ROM!
[MENTION=5439257]MatsPunt[/MENTION] what exactly have you done to make the ROM "fast as hell"???
[Sony Xperia Miro, Tipo (Dual), J, E] VividCleric:
You can read everything on the first page of the thread what all has been done to this Rom. He has done some really cool tweaking in the Rom.
[Sony Xperia Miro, Tipo (Dual), J, E] :
Guys, testing some deodex stuff.

The ROM is fast because of multiple reasons. OP will be updated soon. Plus, I will ask a mod to clean up this place before I post the link...

Mats
[Sony Xperia Miro, Tipo (Dual), J, E] :
Guys. I have good news and bad news.

The good news is: I finished everything! ROM is 98% done. Only small problems with Walkman(I have flashed the ROM 6x, and Walkman only appeared n the app drawer twice...).

Bad news: I can't upload it today! I came home yesterday from a party at 4 AM, and my parents didn't appreciate it... Thet forced me to go to bed, and stuffed my laptop in a closet!

Perhaps I can do something through my phone, but there is the Walkman bug!

but this ROM will be uploaded tomorrow before 2 PM local time(for reference: it's now 0:02 here)!

:D

Mats
[Sony Xperia Miro, Tipo (Dual), J, E] VividCleric:
Oh no pressure dude take your time. Can you explain the problem you are facing with walkman if it is a major bug or something or can it be fixed easily?
[Sony Xperia Miro, Tipo (Dual), J, E] Revontheus:
Album creates 200MB files?? what is the path [MENTION=5688208]Grimlock007[/MENTION]

[MENTION=5439257]MatsPunt[/MENTION], be careful on adding project fluid because it is incompatible with Supercharger. Great Rom btw :D
[Sony Xperia Miro, Tipo (Dual), J, E] Grimlock007:
not sure .....in clean master app in its advanced section ......it gives option to clean...gallery thumbnails...this was one of the main issues with stock rom(memory full all the time)
[Sony Xperia Miro, Tipo (Dual), J, E] :
It's done!

V1 is up!

Check the updated OP.

Screenies tonight.

Gotta go,

Mats
[Sony Xperia Miro, Tipo (Dual), J, E] The_Overthinker:
I installed ur rom. It feels fast on first impressions.....but i cant find settings in the app drawer....and if i try to open settings from the notification drawer, then system ui crashes.....Plz help !!!
[Sony Xperia Miro, Tipo (Dual), J, E] :
Ah, ****! I forgot one step in the installation process: mounting the system.You must mount system after formatting system!. The post is correct now. Sorry for the inconvenience.

Try it with this step. If it doesn't work, it would be very, very strange!

Mats
[Sony Xperia Miro, Tipo (Dual), J, E] DanielFlorin:
I have not mounted system and I have no problem...
[Sony Xperia Miro, Tipo (Dual), J, E] The_Overthinker:
Aaaahhhh.....now it works..Thanks a ton bro !!!!:good: Brilliant rom!!!
[Sony Xperia Miro, Tipo (Dual), J, E] :
Awesome!

Note: screenies added in OP ;)
[Sony Xperia Miro, Tipo (Dual), J, E] UltraGamerHD:
You might want to update my kernel to V3!

[MENTION=5439257]MatsPunt[/MENTION]!
[Sony Xperia Miro, Tipo (Dual), J, E] :
V3... Dude! Awesome!
[Sony Xperia Miro, Tipo (Dual), J, E] UltraGamerHD:
Hey if you wan't to try it out, when you boot the phone up it will hang on the boot animation for a few seconds and then boot up to android so don't worry. When you start up android you might experience heavy lag, please set your governor to SmartAssV2 to Fix.
[Sony Xperia Miro, Tipo (Dual), J, E] dulejr:
It looks great, I will surely try it.
[Sony Xperia Miro, Tipo (Dual), J, E] Revontheus:
You actually use clean master, that thing uses more ram than it cleans.

Source
[Sony Xperia Miro, Tipo (Dual), J, E] :
Are you sure??? Then I will immediately remove it!

Thanks for the heads up.

Mats
[Sony Xperia Miro, Tipo (Dual), J, E] Awy1337:
Nice ;) Goodjob (y)
[Sony Xperia Miro, Tipo (Dual), J, E] TheRealSS:
Is 1.5ghz OC stable?
[Sony Xperia Miro, Tipo (Dual), J, E] Revontheus:
Be careful, if you add "Pro Version Apps" on ur ROM u will be banned
[Sony Xperia Miro, Tipo (Dual), J, E] VividCleric:
Hello mats I installed the rom just now and its really amazing. Performance is very good and the font is awesome. the 100 step volume feature is cool too. the only problem I am facing is that the walkman widget on homescreen is showing the album art but not in the player:eek:. Is there any fix for it?

Overall the rom is perfect looking up for V2. Just one request if you are planning on making an aroma installer then plzz include different audio engines if possible.:)

thank you
[Sony Xperia Miro, Tipo (Dual), J, E] Grimlock007:
I use clean master ...!!

its not that bad ...it may use 2-6mb ram but it does clear 100 mb whenever i press "clear/clean"

but it is important to turn off

{

auto kiil

auto kill on wake up(lags on wakeup)

ram low reminder

move app reminder

malicious stuff protector (makes stock browser lag)

and

every fffffing setting it has in its settings!

}

clean master is usefull to me because i use facebook,facebook messenger,google+,instagram,twitter etc it kills these app in background

also helps to clean cache

PRECAUTION IF YOUR COMING FROM CM10

1]flash 2.23 once everything works but there is residue from cm10 and previous roms .....some settings were automatically changed in 2.23 after WIPE flashing!!

[phone was on vibrate ,wallpaper was full black,play store crashed,play store doesn't download,no media scan at all,touch button vibrate was disabled,dialer tones were disabled .....& felt a bit wierd]

2]to fix flash ftf again
[Sony Xperia Miro, Tipo (Dual), J, E] :
So you have songs with album art and in the widget the album art is shown, but not in the Walkman app?

I think I know why, I removed some files and thought they were not important... :p.

Features for V1.1(coming this week, small update)

-Add Xbooster(Boost my Xperia) app

-Add Sense Style task switcher

-Add a new launcher? Any requests? Touchwiz, Xperia Z1, KitKat etc?

-Fix bugs

-Fix problem with interfering init.d scripts

-You tell.

Mats
[Sony Xperia Miro, Tipo (Dual), J, E] :
Wut? I know, and why would I include pro versions? People can buy pro versions themselves! I haven't anything in my ROM with advertising (accept MX player which shows small ads in the menus). This a basic XDA rule.

No, 1,5 is definitely not stable. I set both minimum an maximum values to 1,5 GHz and encountered 2 random reboots and a hot back. I myself will keep it at 1,3 gHz.

I have posted this in the OP, I believe.

Hope that's clear enough

Mats
[Sony Xperia Miro, Tipo (Dual), J, E] Grimlock007:
-yes albumart does not work

-yeah launcher change needed .....choose one with balance of low ram usage and fidelity/fluency

-new dialer maybe?

-recent app thumnails look blurry ....performance tweak maybe?{screen shot}

-in power management>power saver menu is old style

-slide lock shows black wallpaper sometimes (slow loading)

-the white background image in settings has resolution too high maybe ....the rings of each shade of white is visible.....could be fixed with same -screen size image or use blur in photoshop .....maybe??

-blurry text in some texts like in ram usage look at the word "Ram" OR also on one of the screenshots below

-is it me or did the screen shot quality become less

-i like the font & all else....aaah! yes ..include a file manager and change mx player to a user app

screenshot with nova launcher
[Sony Xperia Miro, Tipo (Dual), J, E] NSDCars5:
I don't think you should use Clean Master anyway; clearing apps to free RAM is a bit drastic, you should use something like Greenify instead.
[Sony Xperia Miro, Tipo (Dual), J, E] VividCleric:
kitkat launcher would be the best. and will ths update be a small zip file to flash or another rom?
[Sony Xperia Miro, Tipo (Dual), J, E] DanielFlorin:
Add launcher Xperia Z1 please ! :)
[Sony Xperia Miro, Tipo (Dual), J, E] VividCleric:
hey mats it has been 3 hours i am using this rom and now it has started lagging a lot i dont know why even after a reboot the ram is filling up too quickly even though only six to seven apps are running in the background that are whatsapp, viper, hike, google play services, keymonk keyboard and android system and they all consume less ram except whatsapp which is consuming 34 mb. my phone has become real slow. any suggestions to what should i do. :confused:
[Sony Xperia Miro, Tipo (Dual), J, E] NeoTrix:
Aroma installer would be the launcher i prefer :P
[Sony Xperia Miro, Tipo (Dual), J, E] UltraGamerHD:
[MENTION=5439257]MatsPunt[/MENTION]

When you release updates could you not include the whole rom, and just the updates. This would be much easier and quicker!
[Sony Xperia Miro, Tipo (Dual), J, E] :
Okay... I am using this now for 2 days. I have installed every app I normally use and it's definitely faster than stock. And my WhatsApp only uses 20 mb.

I guess Viber uses a bunch of RAM, and the inevitable Google Play Services uses 50 mb on itself.

No problems here. Did you encounter this on your previous ROM?

Mats
[Sony Xperia Miro, Tipo (Dual), J, E] :
For now:

-Look into bugs

-Look into RAM usage

-Look into AROMA installer

-Look into launcher (KitKat or Z1)?

-Make some apps user apps(Quickpic, MXPlayer, Keep, Google Keyboard)

I have time tomorrow and Tuesday, but then I really have to study for school. The RAM usage is the most important, so I'll have a deep look into the system folder.

Anyone else reporting heavy RAM usage?

Mats
[Sony Xperia Miro, Tipo (Dual), J, E] TheRealSS:
Do you use greenify?
[Sony Xperia Miro, Tipo (Dual), J, E] UltraGamerHD:
Hi!

You could use SWAP as my kernel supports swap, use swapper 2 in Play Store
[Sony Xperia Miro, Tipo (Dual), J, E] Grimlock007:
what does it swap? i got the app (link https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=lv.n3o.swapper2&hl=en )
[Sony Xperia Miro, Tipo (Dual), J, E] UltraGamerHD:
It adds extra ram to your device by using storage as RAM!
[Sony Xperia Miro, Tipo (Dual), J, E] TheRealSS:
Doesn't it degrade the SD card?
[Sony Xperia Miro, Tipo (Dual), J, E] UltraGamerHD:
I haven't noticed any downfalls in SD Card Speed!
[Sony Xperia Miro, Tipo (Dual), J, E] Grimlock007:
Could you pls list all recommended variables?

place

size

swappiness

&

other stuff
[Sony Xperia Miro, Tipo (Dual), J, E] :
Hohohoh, it would be nice if you pointed out the cons first:

1. The life of your SD card will degrade drastically, because of the heavy reading and writing the whole time.

2. Although virtual RAM is created swap will always be much slower because RAM is hardware. You can't change hardware into other hardware. You will gain only the slightest speed and against what cost? A dead SD card.

Swap is something I myself would never do, but it's all up to you.

Mats
[Sony Xperia Miro, Tipo (Dual), J, E] VividCleric:
well then how can i manage ram in a better way do i need to reflash the rom or something can be done other than that.:)

---------- Post added at 01:41 PM ---------- Previous post was at 01:37 PM ----------

no i tried it but the only thing happens is it consumes 6 mb of ram itself and doesnt hibernates the google play services entirely ever.
[Sony Xperia Miro, Tipo (Dual), J, E] :
Greenify will only hibernate user apps and not system apps. You need the donation version or system apps.

Tomorrow I will have a look at it. Don't have time right now, sorry. But please, do keep in mind that 512 mb gets filled so quickly!

Have you tried overclocking?

You can try swap, but it won't benefit much and the price is high.

Mats
[Sony Xperia Miro, Tipo (Dual), J, E] kurotsugi:
just a lil advice. using swap will slowing your devices. android's lowmemorykiller handle the memory much better now. there's no point turning the swap on.
[Sony Xperia Miro, Tipo (Dual), J, E] TheRealSS:
Try it again maybe. Greenify almost every app you can.
[Sony Xperia Miro, Tipo (Dual), J, E] :
1. KitKat launcher it is.

2. Looking into that.

3. I think I might know the problem.

4. Nope, check the OP. Use a different image hosting site (I use imageshack)

5. Consider it done ;)

Mats
[Sony Xperia Miro, Tipo (Dual), J, E] Grimlock007:
kitkat launcher = google experience launcher??

or app from a nexus or something?

REMOVE Setting>personalisation>"quick settings" it does not have a function

and in "lock screen" old style menu and it still shows album app when changing wallpaper & no quikpic
[Sony Xperia Miro, Tipo (Dual), J, E] TheRealSS:
Check out Epic launcher too. Based on kitkat and doesn't take much RAM either. ;)
[Sony Xperia Miro, Tipo (Dual), J, E] :
Yep, will be done.

Going to have a busy week... :p

Oh and I thought I saw a port of the GEL. By straight the GEL won't work because of missing API's. I'll make a list off all the stuff I have to improve and edit.

Oh and do you have heavy RAM usage?

Mats
[Sony Xperia Miro, Tipo (Dual), J, E] Grimlock007:
gplay services is important

force move other apps to sd with titanium backup it should reduce their freedom a bit

(widgets app in sd will not work)
[Sony Xperia Miro, Tipo (Dual), J, E] KDB223:
Good work, I'm currently in the process of switching to Termin.
[MENTION=5439257]MatsPunt[/MENTION] , did you this method to add CPU control? (just saying)
[Sony Xperia Miro, Tipo (Dual), J, E] :
Nope. [MENTION=5318422]dafuc-k[/MENTION] made all of that. I just "stole" his zip...

I take no credit for that, although I'm learning how to mod applications (I know some basic .PNG replacement and .XML)

Mats
[Sony Xperia Miro, Tipo (Dual), J, E] Grimlock007:
UMMM yeahh....ram......killing with clean master gives the "restarting" as seen on the facebook& messenger app

and another thing clean master shows ~78% usage when there is like ~10mb free ram

Another thing ,this roms max speed is experienced when offline(when the background apps arent squirming in the internetz...lol)

i was impressed...today morning ....after full night sleep no wake up lag at ALL!

& when i got a call the screen turned on immediately(on cm10 and stock it vibrated on time but there was a 2-3 sec delay in screen on time)
[Sony Xperia Miro, Tipo (Dual), J, E] VividCleric:
Alright guys you should try Xbooster. I am using it myself. It helps cleaning up a lot of ram and manage it. Just switch to multi tasking mode and enable kill system apps in the preferences but don't forget to white list important system apps. I am sure in the next update using Xbooster along with supercharging the rom will get the rom going really fast.
[Sony Xperia Miro, Tipo (Dual), J, E] Revontheus:
I told you all of those Ram cleaner apps are nothing more than crap...

I mean look even Cyanogenmod refuses to take bug reports from people who use them since it causes more problems then it solves

I think it may help but in way like trying to kill a fly with a shotgun...doing more harm then good
[Sony Xperia Miro, Tipo (Dual), J, E] VividCleric:
So what do you suggest we should do? :confused:
[Sony Xperia Miro, Tipo (Dual), J, E] Grimlock007:
That may be true but

for our phones a little killing does no harm and improves the speed a little

In cm10 i didnt use app killer at all ...it always had 50-60mb free ram all time and there was no lag,it handled ram well

But in stock ....sony crap .....installing basic app gives 0 mb free ram & major laggs sometimes

if you had our phone you'd be convinced
[Sony Xperia Miro, Tipo (Dual), J, E] NSDCars5:
What [MENTION=5374882]Revontheus[/MENTION] is saying is right; task killers do more harm than good.

Instead? Let me emphasize it, so I don't get ignored like last time;

use something like Greenify instead.
[Sony Xperia Miro, Tipo (Dual), J, E] DanielFlorin:
Add launcher Z1 :)

RAM usage :(((
[Sony Xperia Miro, Tipo (Dual), J, E] Grimlock007:
Two Google services ~18+8.6mb

and

settings ~35-40mb!

these two are ram hungry

recent apps menu is laggy while everything else is smooth

MY crazy theory about ram usage in stock...

-we know that in cm10 all apps which are needed only run in ram

-in stock rom we have Cached section in "running processes" which is constantly trying to fill ram with something or the other

if we can somehow diasble this style of ram management .....we could maybe get zero lag

ram manager trying to fill up free ram is the main issue I THINK!

In cm10 there is very less of this issue too....
[Sony Xperia Miro, Tipo (Dual), J, E] L.E.D 26:
Depends on how you use the device... I have ~60 apps(Facebook,Whatsapp and other apps that may run in background) + Greenify (Donation) and have always 150 MB or more free RAM Memory. It depends by how you use it :)

Inviato dal mio C1505 utilizzando Tapatalk
[Sony Xperia Miro, Tipo (Dual), J, E] dulejr:
ExDialer maybe, i have good experience with it, it's super fast, nice skin.
[Sony Xperia Miro, Tipo (Dual), J, E] TheRealSS:
+1
[Sony Xperia Miro, Tipo (Dual), J, E] Grimlock007:
i used to have that sort of free ram in CM10

on stock one app leaves the ram,immediately another comes to take its place without even opening

i have free greenify

i hibernated

g+

fb

fb messenger

...

~50mb free ram now
[Sony Xperia Miro, Tipo (Dual), J, E] DanielFlorin:
Is a big problem with lag on the stock firmware... :( OC to 1.4GHz is nothing in the game can not see the difference...
[Sony Xperia Miro, Tipo (Dual), J, E] UltraGamerHD:
What Governer were you using?
[Sony Xperia Miro, Tipo (Dual), J, E] DanielFlorin:
SmartassV2 , Cpu Min freq = 480Mhz and Cpu max freq =1421Mhz ..
[Sony Xperia Miro, Tipo (Dual), J, E] UltraGamerHD:
Use performance
[Sony Xperia Miro, Tipo (Dual), J, E] DanielFlorin:
Antutu :

Cpu : 1008 Mhz , Performance .

Cpu 1420 Mhz , SmartassV2 .

not much difference... :(

Edit :

is a considerable difference

Cpu 1420 Mhz , Performance .

All test on 11.3.A.2.23 Deodex + pure performances mod !
[Sony Xperia Miro, Tipo (Dual), J, E] Revontheus:
OndemandX is the best governor check out my AlienRom screenies i got 4.9k