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[Asus Transformer TF701] Shacamus:
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[Galaxy S 5 General] st3chn0:
Just a poll,

Since the release of knox to the consumer. And the fact it's affecting many people with warranty and ability to use custom rom or kernels without having further issues on their mind.

Will this affect your decision on buying the phone or not?

Please don't start with the 'your in the s5 forum so there's your answer' this is a pre-release forum.

Stick to the topic a simple yes or no with an explanation is enough
[Galaxy S 5 General] nikzDHD:
I'd have to think about it, KNOX has no use for me personally but at the moment I've got GPE rom on my S4 and I'm liking stock android. I'd have to see what the S5 offers in terms of features and such before I decide whether to upgrade or not and see what the competition offers I'm in no rush this time as the S4 is still a very good phone.
[Galaxy S 5 General] donharden2002:
Knox is an immediate no for me. Att note 3 and locked bootloader is a nightmare in my opinion.

I guess for the normal consumer it's fine, us rooters and flashers have no need for it though.
[Galaxy S 5 General] Caelrie:
Modders will find a way to root without tripping Knox. They always do.
[Galaxy S 5 General] luigi0824:
I hate Knox! It's keeping me away from getting a samsung device :(

Sent from my LT26i
[Galaxy S 5 General] duhbanjopicker:
If the bootloader is locked Samsung and At&t can suck it.
[Galaxy S 5 General] clapper66:
well since i left my S4 for the G2 i will not go back, my Verizon s4 with a locked bootloader was annoying. I traded someone my S4 for the G2 with a cracked screen and bought a screen and fixed it. Also with devices with locked bootloaders its going to limit the development for custom Roms and what not.
[Galaxy S 5 General] peanutbutter_rooter:
Why the heck would I ever upgrade to a product that forces me to use their crappy, bloated ROM making it either impossible or very difficult to change out for my needs? No, Samsung has not even heard us in our cry for a more friendly phone that we F'ing own. LET US CUSTOMIZE OUR OWN STUFF! There's a reason their sales are dropping too. Like me, other IT professionals are recommending other brands that don't force push updates that can either brick (talking about a completely stock non-rooted, non-loki'd GS4), or turn the phone into a hand held heater.
[Galaxy S 5 General] georgesmh:
Nobody is forcing u to do anything.. u can buy it, root it, install custom roms. Just ur warranty will be void like the case with all other OEM. Remember that samsung devices have unlocled bootloaders which makes it easier. I dont understand whats ur problem? :)

Sent from Samsung Galaxy Note 10.1
[Galaxy S 5 General] mymusicathome:
After having the s2, skyrocket, s3, and s4, the Knox implementation has made me make the switch.

Sent from my HammerHead
[Galaxy S 5 General] Jonnyredcorn:
I just bought a nexus 5 and retired my at&t s4(it was MDL build so I can flash custom recoveries/kernels). I don't know if I'll get an s5 or not. Probably not and I'll wait to see the g2 pro or the g3.

Sent from my Nexus 7 running Kangakat powered by franco.kernel
[Galaxy S 5 General] gypsy214:
Nop.. I ditched my S4 for a G2.. Samsung was great back in the S2 S3 days. Thing about it is that Samsung is doing things for us harder and you know that future updates and with the S5 it will be harder than KNOX.
[Galaxy S 5 General] st3chn0:
The fact you may be refused warranty for hardware faults for having a custom software and also considering the option to resell in the future. Where the next person may require the device for enterprise it would not be possible due to the tripped flag
[Galaxy S 5 General] qxps:
I'd say samsung instead of trying to convert its devices into enterprise devices and fail the way blackberry did, they should separate the consumer line from enterprise. The fact that the knox flag can't be reverted back is dumb as it is. Surely, they can have their own "warranty" flag and void warranty based on that, but when the warranty flag is also the "enterprise" flag it becomes kind of absurd. Because the user can simply revert to official software and be eligible for enterprise security regardless of the ROM/Kernels that have been run in the past, only as long as he is running stock stuff. Yet, tripping knox makes the device not eligible for the enterprise.

Like st3chn0 said, warranty should not be related to the device being eligible to participate in a knox enterprise environment.

Or at least that's what I get from it, if you can still use knox on an enterprise with the knox flag tripped, then I stand corrected.
[Galaxy S 5 General] memekmek:
whats better? Google nexus 5? or Samsung s5?
[Galaxy S 5 General] dondavis007:
Problably not, its not about Knox itself its more about the trend of locking my... Hardware down. If they want to to do that I like them to have two lines, I think they will loose sales if they loose the community.

I won't buy and probably not my friends, the phone of the day is mostly about mouth to mouth commercials :)

Sent from a mobile Gadget...
[Galaxy S 5 General] st3chn0:
I've realised in the way the xda community moves same happens to the wider community after a while maybe a year or two later..... Though Samsung may not feel the effect of people of this community leaving they will in the future

With phones these days it really has become a thing like sheep where one follows another.. I remember having the first galaxy whilst everyone else had been either with HTC, I phone or blackberry now I barely see anyone with one of them around
[Galaxy S 5 General] RaptorMD:
I'm buying it, KNOX didn't slow me down on the GN3 and honestly it was the first device I didn't root or worry about rooting. Was a great device overall.
[Galaxy S 5 General] Bataga:
Nexus 6 for me. FU Samsung and any other company with a locked bootloader.
[Galaxy S 5 General] qxps:
But they don't have a locked bootloader. Carriers lock the bootloaders, not samsung :\
[Galaxy S 5 General] st3chn0:
Could say knox is really just similar to a locked bootloader
[Galaxy S 5 General] tids2k:
i will go with htc this time if knox is present on S5
[Galaxy S 5 General] st3chn0:
Looking at the way this thread is going, I'll be selling my note 3 and moving to LG with the release of g3. Hopefully it has a sd card slot and I'll be happy
[Galaxy S 5 General] Sensamic:
I think eventually all phones that are not Nexus will be really really hard to root and stuff.

So it's Knox in Samsung, but I bet ever manufacturer will do something similar eventually.
[Galaxy S 5 General] sabre31:
I agree I think it will be harder to root and forget about custom roms. With locked bootloader no go. Also Samsung is going the way of Apple all their devices will have Knox and hard to mod.
[Galaxy S 5 General] markhallyo:
I don't know if it is so much of KNOX turning people off, rather than Samsung in general. I've had a GS3 and it's just not the phone I have expected it to be over the last couple years.
[Galaxy S 5 General] razz1:
Sorry Samsung. No knox for me! My GS3 is going to be my last Samsung phone.
[Galaxy S 5 General] Z51:
I'll be getting it I could care less about my warranty being void. If the phone has a hardware failure they are forced to fix it. Leave my software alone. If I brick my device so be it it's my fault. Love Samsung products and will be getting the S5 as soon as it drops
[Galaxy S 5 General] qxps:
As far as i've read. Knox voids all warranty on the basis that custom kernels are able to alter hardware parameters and cause the hardware itself to fail, like for example, voltages. So, I dont think they are forced to fix it as they will just pin it on low level mods.
[Galaxy S 5 General] sabre31:
They don't have to fix nothing if you trip Knox. That is one of the reasons it is there. I am sure their license agreement will state that also. You are at their mercy if they want to fix it or not.
[Galaxy S 5 General] st3chn0:
I did not sign or agree to buy anything to say I want to buy software which i won't use and is taking up unnecessary space and battery, ffs I haven't even downloaded the container app that is a actually required to run it

All I agreed was to buy the hardware they have given to me. Isn't that the same with food? If you don't want the ketchup you just say no?
[Galaxy S 5 General] qxps:
The problem is, they are not selling just hardware. Its a whole software/hardware package and there are terms, policies and licensing that apply to it. The customer does not choose what they want to agree on or not. Its all or none unless specified. You are usually shipped the phone in a box with a bunch of booklets, among them is the warranty and terms of use I believe. Knox flag is just the one that shows whether you have been running samsung approved software or not. You don't need to download the container for it to apply because its part of their standard warranty.

The same applies for vehicles, you buy what the manufacturer sells you as a package, if you add a turbo and the engine gets damaged, they won't do warranty work on it. If you add big tires and the suspension parts break, they won't do warranty work on them. If you add an ECU tune and the engine malfunctions, they won't do warranty work on it. Though, you can always revert back to stock parts, take it in for warranty repair and hope they don't do a full investigation on it to prove you were indeed using non-recommended parts.

Samsung just found a way to detect whether users run "aftermarket" software or not, they just then apply their own warranty terms on it. As a business it makes complete sense, for those that customize their stuff, its a low blow. Though some business have more tolerance than others. If you were to sell XY with X piece tuned to work with full proven compatibility and stability with Y piece. You wouldn't want customers using X with Z, damaging X, then coming to you asking for warranty. Though obviously, if they swap back Z with Y you probably wouldn't notice. Samsung just found a way to detect when users swap Y with Z.

Food is really not going to work here, there is no warranty term for food unless its expired. The only analogy I can come up with is, a recipe maker sells you a recipe that uses three specific ingredients. You then go home and change one of the ingredients for one of your own, you then ask for a refund because the food does not taste the same as when you tasted it on the store. You then proceed to say you actually used the ingredients on the recipe. Or, you buy ketchup on a glass container where the maker guarantees taste, you then change the container to a plastic one and then suddenly the ketchup tastes like crap, you then go ask for an exchange or refund because it spoiled in the plastic container without telling the maker that you changed them.
[Galaxy S 5 General] Z51:
HTC said the same to me when I had a one. It was s off and bootloader unlocked. My screen went out and shipped it to them. A week later I had a repaired device and the latest software on it. It all depends how you approach the rep helping you....at least in my case...
[Galaxy S 5 General] qxps:
Not only approach, but also the mood the rep is in, the one his boss is in, the one doing the repair is in. It depends on many variables and as I said, different companies or even offices have different tolerances on what goes through repair. Samsung just became the b*tchy queen with knox as the whistle-blower.
[Galaxy S 5 General] dkionline:
Maybe will take a look for tizen...hope no security.
[Galaxy S 5 General] qxps:
Tizen licensing model is not even fully finished yet last I heard, and by the looks of it, it will be worse than android considering its not compatible with OSI. It looks to me one reason all these companies are "collaborating" with samsung on tizen is because it won't be as open source as android and will have more restrictions on what can be done with it. More proprietary code, less getting out, more control.

Take in count also, that this knox security is implemented by samsung (maybe with collaboration from google), not by android or google themselves. Tizen coming from samsung may imply that it will be worse considering samsung has "limits" on how much it can modify android, which may not hold for Tizen.
[Galaxy S 5 General] dkionline:
Tizen is allready open source. Yeah, they will block the hole thing like bada, with no updates or do it like apple.

Maybe some good alternatives? Yolla phones? Oppo? Dont know, first look MWC and then think about it.
[Galaxy S 5 General] st3chn0:
the main point of android was that it was also open source. this is until samsung decided to touch it with their grimey fingers and decided to slowly close everything down, like saying you use what we want you to use, if you do anything to this phone we screw you over if it breaks even if it were down to a fault in the production.
[Galaxy S 5 General] qipengart:
Yeah my Galaxy Note 2 will probably be the last Samsung phone I plan to buy.
[Galaxy S 5 General] pdaod:
The G2 Pro looks interesting with micro SD and replaceable battery, though I've been leery of LG on past products. The OLED screen on the GS3 has done better than I expected as far as burning, but I sometimes I wish I didn't have to be as precautionary compared to an LCD. I haven't seen if the Sprint version will be tri-band though it would be surprising if it were not. If there was one model for all carriers, that would be a huge selling point, but that's probably unlikely. Also the performance of the radio will also be a major factor on any of these devices as so many have come up weak.
[Galaxy S 5 General] zounduser:
I don't care what anyone says......HTC is the best when it comes to warranty repairs. I've had like 5 warranty repairs through them...all of them were fixed, and over night shipped back to me!!
[Galaxy S 5 General] ffchampmt:
Galaxy s4 has one bootloader exploit that allows custom modding if you are on a specific firmware. Any update beyond mdk has been locked down without any luck.

Samsung pays the Knox people to lock the phones down and they've earned their money. I would doubt they will abandon it with the s5.

For all intents, they've stymied the developers. Hundreds of thousands of dollars from a corporation vs. a handful of skilled developers. I hope everyday for them to crack the bootloader, but after 3 months I am losing hope.

Sent from my HyperDrive 14 Driven MJ7 Verizon Galaxy S4
[Galaxy S 5 General] st3chn0:
Really didn't know the g pro had the addition of the sd card. Thought it would have been the same as g2 but with a bigger screen will have to look into this
[Galaxy S 5 General] qipengart:
Indeed because of the bootloader/Knox issues, I can't to switch from Samsung to either LG or HTC next round.
[Galaxy S 5 General] anl2304:
I am looking forward to Monday's announcement. But thanks to knox, I traded in my GS4 and got a G2. I will not be getting the GS5. I will be looking at either the G3 or the next HTC phone.
[Galaxy S 5 General] RaptorMD:
Sounds good that they did the warranty repairs without issue, but at the same time having so many warranty repairs isn't cause for joy. Still a positive. I haven't ruled out the HTC One (two, again, next, new) or whatever it is formally called, but in the end unless it comes with microSD I likely won't get it.
[Galaxy S 5 General] ryno9100:
I loved my s3, then traded up to the s4. I despised it. And whenI heard Knox was coming, and did a little research on it, I got rid of it as fast as I can and grabbed an HTC One.

Let's be honest. At LEAST 50% of Samsung owners (on this forum anyway) do not like stock TouchWiz, The bloatware on my S4 was completely ridiculous. The amount of RAM that was taken up by things I didn't even want was dumb as well. Not to mention. Locked bootloader's are a MASSIVE turn off for most of the people here on XDA.

Unless I can manage to 1.) Unlock the bootloader on an AT&T variant of the phone (Straight Talk FTW), or 2.) Grab hold of an international version that is actually compatible with North America's LTE bands, then I think I will skip the S5, and just keep my eyes focused the HTC M8. Hoping to hear something on it soon.

Sorry, kinda got off on a rant there. Point is, KNOX, along with locked bootloaders, and and Samsung be best buddies with the NSA all spell a big fat no for the S5 in my own opinion.
[Galaxy S 5 General] sabre31:
Samsung will never get rid of Knox. That will stay and that is their key selling point to enterprise customers and MDM. Knox is a big thing for them
[Galaxy S 5 General] SwiftLeeO:
In my honest opinion, never again will I buy a Samsung phone. I think that it is against the spirit of android AND linux that they are basically saying your stuck on OUR distro ONLY, you cannot choose Arch or Ubuntu (Linux distros), you only get what we give you. Simply put, Samsung is a nice company and most of their products from what I have had are reliable, but when you refuse to let me do what I want with my device, you lose me as a customer. However, the Google Nexus 5 will be getting 2 new customers this week :)
[Galaxy S 5 General] legendswag96:
I think its good that samsung is trying to accommodate for the business people. most business users prefer blackberry which is complete crap in my opinion. i'm pretty sure they'll win over even more users with the knox feature :good:
[Galaxy S 5 General] st3chn0:
It is good for enterprise but I doubt majority of the people using a knox phone would ever use or will ever use.

I had the note 3 for 5 months. I've never touched the application or have I any intention in doing so.

You may argue it's a safer environment for your banking apps etc..... But aren't the apps specifically made to accommodate all android phones? I don't see any other user of LG HTC complain about having a 'lack' of security for them they're are built by security to avoid the customer to prevent fraud etc etc
[Galaxy S 5 General] bdithug:
I will not be buying samsung anymore as they are moving in the way of Apple. I owned the original iPhone 3G and got rid of it because I couldn't do what I wanted to do with it. I moved to Android for the sole reason of easily being able to customize /mod my phone.

I'll now be looking at Sony, LG, HTC or a nexus to replace my GS3.
[Galaxy S 5 General] st3chn0:
So knox is there. Not much improvements over the note 3.

No 2k screen just a little better camera.... mimo etc should come to note 3 with s pen I think that is a much better option
[Galaxy S 5 General] vbetts:
LG or HTC aren't going for the corporate sector.

Since Blackberry is just about done, Apple has picked up on the corporate sector and Samsung is going in right after them. Corporate would be a huge market to grab since most companies have a lot more funds for mobile devices at one time compared to a home family needing new phones.
[Galaxy S 5 General] st3chn0:
And what happened to blackberry and apple? Their sales figures show everything...... facts speak louder than words.
[Galaxy S 5 General] vbetts:
Blackberry has the security aspect down, but their devices offer nothing appealing to business or consumer sectors. Apple is losing in the consumer market because of an abundance of Android devices being pushed out every day. Their business/corporate sector is huge. Most of our phones for the administrators are Iphone 4's and 4s', and I can tell you just from managing them myself they are 2-3x safer and encrypted better than more than half of Android devices out there.

Security is one thing that is sacrificed to keep costs down, that's what people don't understand. You think a sub $200 like say the Motorola G is just as secured as the 5s having internal and external encryption methods? Not even close.
[Galaxy S 5 General] ewa12321:
I dont know if I buy furture Samsung phones. I like look of the phone (i dont think about Touchwiz, looks like winXP). Must have for me are SD Card, hardware keys, water resistance, glove mode and removable battery. There is almost no competition in those areas, hope other manufacturers will implement those features in their phones. If not only Samsung offer this in one phone

But I dont like this KNOX counter triggered = no warranty. Thats why im looking for alternatives.

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[Galaxy S 5 General] maidangisme:
I don't give the sh*t about Knox anymore, mine concern is will we getting Firmware Update after 2 years.
[Galaxy S 5 General] JoeFCaputo113:
There is "Saferoot" that works for a bunch of phones. Does NOTTTT trip Knox and you're still rooted and good to go. You people needa read more before you write misleading comments.
[Galaxy S 5 General] st3chn0:
And this doesn't trip updated bootloaders?

Edit: just read further into the thread and Samsung have patched the exploit therefore it will trip Knox if you have updated. This therefore will mean when the s5 is released using that method will trip knox
[Galaxy S 5 General] qxps:
And you need to consider all scenarios. All new devices will come with the knox bootloader already enabled. Try flashing a 3rd party kernel and see what happens... In essence, you will be stuck with ROMs compatible only with the stock touchwiz kernel. That means no future gpe, omnirom or cm. For some, root by itself is worth little if they are gonna be stuck with touchwiz.

Unlike the S4, where the first few iterations of the stock ROM didn't have the knox counter and you could essentially use the old bootloader with new custom roms, kernels and recoveries, all S5s will have the knox counter ready out of the box. And, you don't even know if there will be a saferoot for it yet.
[Galaxy S 5 General] noobchef:
I upgraded to the gs4 and even though I did use saferoot and safestrap to flash a couple Roms, I couldn't help but feel as though they were just rooted and themed, no offense to the devs of those Roms and people who are stuck with those phones. After only a week of having the s4 I went and bought me the nexus 5. For me it was the principle of the matter. And a deal breaker for future Samsung devices.
[Galaxy S 5 General] force70:
Couldnt agree more..ive had the s3, note 2, s4 and note 3...knox on note 3. This probably the last sammy device I will own.

I love my G2 and am considering a gflex but will wait till G3 comes out and compare..I need alot more storage than 32gb and I hope they offer the G3 with 64gb.

Gpro 2 is also something to consider if you like phablets.

Sent from my G2, Note 3 or S4
[Galaxy S 5 General] anl2304:
Thanks to Knox, among other things, I will not be purchasing another Samsung phone. I sold my GS4 for an LG G2. Although there are fewer roms associated with the G2, I am very happy with it. No knox and it is a better phone overall.
[Galaxy S 5 General] iamflamez:
I also sold my gs4 after discovering i couldnt root without triggering knox, but i got sony z1, great phone and feels like a much higher quality device, even accesories like the headset are much improved, also they gave me a free smart watch 2! :D
[Galaxy S 5 General] vbetts:
Isn't there a counter resetter for Galaxy devices?
[Galaxy S 5 General] qxps:
Not for the knox counter and not for the recent devices, otherwise we wouldnt be complaining about it. The only thing you can reset is the yellow triangle or custom logo and installation counter in the boot screen.
[Galaxy S 5 General] unholyfatman:
knox be trippin

I would just trip knox if you have insurance and your phone bricks which people who root and flash custom roms shouldn't have an issue with unless something goes horribly wrong then just report it stolen or simply trash it with water damage and then get it replaced I tripped knox on my GN3 and I could care less
[Galaxy S 5 General] anubius:
They will not find. S4 has Knox and they couldn't find the way to install recovery without triggering KNOX. Once you trigger it there is no way to revert it.