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[Xperia Z General] Tommy-Geenexus:
Sony's late release for the Z may be good, much better than releasing it now.

Because after the Z2 is officially available, some goodies will be brought over to the Z, whereas they actually can't bring f.e. the dt2w feature for Z1 now, as it will be introduced with the Z2 and later available for the other sony phones.

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[Xperia Z General] kingvortex:
Not so much a rumour. Sony posted it directly on their official blog, it's just everyone keeps posting other sources for the news that rarely cite the original source.

See - http://blogs.sonymobile.com/2014/03...eria-z-ultra-xperia-z1-and-xperia-z1-compact/

I like this line of thought. :D

Hopefully, you're right.
[Xperia Z General] DoubleYouPee:
Yep.. if infact 4.4 doesn't offer any new real features, I might even consider sticking with 4.3....
[Xperia Z General] demonicangell™:
im hoping for one of those journalists leaks like Androxyde posted last time :p
[Xperia Z General] xrenoix:
I hope too! at least the bootloader sign 4.4.2 by sony !!!
[Xperia Z General] EmeraldTimer:
what u mean
[Xperia Z General] shenoital:
I don't think the 4.4 bring many new feature
[Xperia Z General] androidfreak70:
Thats very nice but that month i close to end and no 4.4 update yet for xperia Z its should be updated those days:(
[Xperia Z General] eagle25884:
I personally have no problems at all with current 4.3 (10.4.1.B.0.101).

If 4.4 will be published within next weeks, it´ll be o.k.. If it will be published later, it´s also o.k. for me.

So we all should be patient. Any discussion about Release Date is speculation and waste (at least for me).
[Xperia Z General] DreadPirateDan:
The only thing I'm looking forward to is native emoji on 4.4 ? all work arounds to get it on 4.3 or older never seem to quite work.

Otherwise yeah, the current firmware is mint. Had to get some repairs done on it and when it came back with the stock carrier firmware, I just left it. Didn't root it or anything. And that's from someone who used to change ROMs and kernels every other day for the past 3 years on my previous phones.
[Xperia Z General] kingvortex:
Maybe old news to some.

Only first party apps (maybe system apps?) have write access to external SD cards on 4.4. It seems that this is imposed by Google, but it's something to be aware of.

Link
[Xperia Z General] Chronic2k13:
When 4.4 is realised proper I'm sure [MENTION=599722]niaboc79[/MENTION] will have it all sorted for you all!!

---------- Post added at 09:19 PM ---------- Previous post was at 09:18 PM ----------

Probably already working on it
[Xperia Z General] Hellscythe:
I was on reddit and saw this app that might "fix" the permissions

https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=nextapp.sdfix
[Xperia Z General] kingvortex:
Yes, it appears those of us that root and are willing to modify the software on our phones are OK and can fix that issue. Just from reading a few posts, there are plenty of people here that don't even root though.
[Xperia Z General] Hellscythe:
In the article it says that file managers are no longer able to move files from internal storage to SD card, because apps no longer have permission to write to the SD card.

Does that mean I cannot set Chrome's default download location to External SD anymore?
[Xperia Z General] Aby2012:
Paitence

As per the sources :rolleyes:

from GSMArena /PhoneArena and many others

"Sony has also confirmed that there is more good news! Android 4.4 KitKat is already in development for the Xperia Z, Xperia ZL, Xperia ZR and Xperia Tablet Z and it will become available for those devices in May or June this year."

This news many of us would have read by now..;)

But i believe 4.4.x would be the last iteration of Android which could be seeding this device ...because it all started

4.1.2

4.2.2

4.3

lastly

4.4.x

Once 4.4.x is out we start expecting more from 4.5 which Google will be announcing at Google IO some where in May/June this year.

:rolleyes:
[Xperia Z General] kingvortex:
It appears that preinstalled/system apps can write to external storage, so if that is the case then Chrome should be able to.

I don't know why Sony didn't just patch this anyway. If they want to continue providing SD card slots on their devices, then the functionality shouldn't be crippled, in my opinion.
[Xperia Z General] karun11:
If you go by what is the reasonable period of support ~ 18 months, then even the next iteration post 4.4 should land onto our devices.
[Xperia Z General] joeyxl:
There is no way sony is going to have os updates for only one year. I could see 4.5 being the last. But not 4.4
[Xperia Z General] demonicangell™:
i guess there is a way through root ..some app that can patch it .. cant recollect the name .. probably should have an xposed module too by then
[Xperia Z General] kingvortex:
Yes, it's no real problem for those of us that root. There are quite a few people here that don't, though, so the news might be more interesting/valuable to them. :)
[Xperia Z General] mnzel:
Android 4.4.2 KitKat will be available for the Xperia™ Z in mid-Q2 2014,expected to be in May.

http://www.xperiablog.net/2014/03/1...eria-z1-xperia-z-ultra-and-xperia-z1-compact/
[Xperia Z General] kingvortex:
Yes, we know.

This was posted in this thread 2 days ago when Sony posted it and about 10 times since then and there are pages of discussion about it. :D
[Xperia Z General] mnzel:
lol didnt knew,...my bad...

sorry guys ! :D :D
[Xperia Z General] Hellscythe:
I am pretty sure the Sony firmware ships with filecommander or some file manager right?

at least there is a default one for me in the ukraine ftf
[Xperia Z General] kael2404:
And maybe we should ask Sony to give a possibility to save photos and videos like data_time.format Cause with default save name we can't synchronize photos and videos after deleting some of them (the same name)
[Xperia Z General] kingvortex:
Yes, it does. The article I posted says File Commander works. I don't use it though, as I purchased Root Explorer about 4 devices ago and only use that and File Commander isn't fantastic anyway. :)
[Xperia Z General] RedZ19:
Not that i am complaining but what really bogs my mind is why it would take sony 2 months to push the update, maybe because they have 4 device to deal with? :confused: And does anyone here have a feeling that sony will release time shift video and other social cam apps (background defocus, portrait, creative etc) in the playstore?
[Xperia Z General] demonicangell™:
z1 z1c z ultra are first priority as they are newer releases .. so we are the 2nd wave of devices ..

i dont think time shift will comes as it has a lot to do with hardware ..( camera drivers etc ) 4k for sure wont come

other apps already seem to work so even if sony does not provide ( no bg defocus in z1 updates) they will be available on xda
[Xperia Z General] Tommy-Geenexus:
Because this is most likely the final android version update for the Z Family and they wanna make it stable and get most bugs fixed.

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[Xperia Z General] SuperHanss:
I've only just joined the 4.4.2 party and I've gotta say it looks awesome! Lots of changes, some big, some subtle. I'll be switching from AOSP to stock fo sho.
[Xperia Z General] Hellscythe:
For a second i thought you got to test the sony 4.4.2 firmware lol
[Xperia Z General] WachuPL:
SXZ 4.4 update

And.. Nothing.. Still waiting for 4.4 update :c.
[Xperia Z General] kingvortex:
You'll be waiting a while yet. It's not coming until mid Q2 ie May or June.

Read back in this thread for links to Sony's blog.

Edit - This has been posted multiple times, but here you go - http://blogs.sonymobile.com/2014/03...eria-z-ultra-xperia-z1-and-xperia-z1-compact/
[Xperia Z General] walkwitmeinhel:
Guys in 4.4 update will we able to move apps and games to sdcard;)

Xperia Z existenze V6
[Xperia Z General] kingvortex:
No, not officially at least. Google have deprecated almost all support for SD cards in newer versions of Android. It seems they want eternal storage used for media storage only, probably for security reasons.

Third party tools may work. We'll have to see.
[Xperia Z General] doministry:
How do you know that?

http://www.xperiablog.net/2014/03/20/before-upgrading-to-kitkat-be-wary-of-sd-card-restrictions/
[Xperia Z General] kingvortex:
I think he was asking if we can or not, hence my reply.
[Xperia Z General] kamalmawa:
Yay looks like 4.4 update will bring the Camera superior auto 4:3(13MP) option :)
[Xperia Z General] joejoe23:
You can already do that now with xposed.
[Xperia Z General] YourManAdrian:
As long as you use the File Commander app that Sony pre-installs in their devices :)
[Xperia Z General] kingvortex:
File commander has no function that I can see to allow apps to run off the external storage, unless I'm missing something obvious which is always possible. :)
[Xperia Z General] doministry:
File Commander was never installed on any of my Xperia's lol.
[Xperia Z General] alkesh95:
File Commander is first app i uninstall

Globally recognized N00B
[Xperia Z General] P4F-KiKi:
Hello,

Anyone know if it would be possible to install the Z1's update on Z (or a modified version of) ? :confused:

Or a custom ROM but with the sony overlay, which looks like an official version :confused:

(Sorry for my bad english)
[Xperia Z General] JAsko_san:
In a month or so there will be an official update for our XZ, so all you need to do is wait a little longer :) :D
[Xperia Z General] doministry:
Hm but it is good.

Which one U use? I have Astro.
[Xperia Z General] P4F-KiKi:
I know but it's too long to wait for May / June :laugh:
[Xperia Z General] DoubleYouPee:
It's good??

Try to unzip a zip file..

You can open it ... but it can't extract it. :laugh:
[Xperia Z General] RyomaEchizen:
I use ES file explorer. Astro is good too

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[Xperia Z General] Tommy-Geenexus:
Root explorer is the best explorer ;)

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[Xperia Z General] lockmunk:
I prefer root explorer all the times since I use the old Samsung Galaxy S until now. :good::laugh:
[Xperia Z General] demonicangell™:
lol thats crazy .. impossible .. at the moment we have system ui and few other apps that can make ur phone look close to 4.4 ..but full 4.4 port is a no
[Xperia Z General] JAsko_san:
Please stop the offtopic talk, like camera, file explorer etc, this is a thread for Kitkat talk, so talk about it, or don't - but don't spam this thread
[Xperia Z General] niaboc79:
Flash my rom ;)

Envoyé de mon C6603 en utilisant Tapatalk
[Xperia Z General] chp2:
I Agree
[Xperia Z General] P4F-KiKi:
Your ROM looks very good but she doesnt exist in KitKat version ? :)
[Xperia Z General] Tommy-Geenexus:
lol

Sent from my Nexus
[Xperia Z General] nemer12:
of course..no :)))
[Xperia Z General] bludsugah:
Can somebody explain what ART actually is? It was mentioned some pages ago and I was wondering :p
[Xperia Z General] alkesh95:
Its a java virtual machine by google to replace dalvik VM

It will preload apps to load them faster but its still in deveopment so its hidden

And some apps are incompatible including whatsapl

If you need help pm me or search

I will try my best to help you out
[Xperia Z General] jonmorris:
I think Whatsapp was made to work yonks ago. Bar Wikipedia (which crashes first time then loads the second) I can't think of a single app that won't run on my Moto G or Nexus 5.

I presume devs are trying to make sure their apps and games work properly.

Unfortunately, Sony has opted not to give us access to ART.
[Xperia Z General] Hellscythe:
Is ART something actually in the android operating system? If so, will there be a hidden way to enable it on Sony firmware?
[Xperia Z General] joejoe23:
I think it's not even included. If it is, it should be in developers option.
[Xperia Z General] pjgowtham:
I asked for an test 4.4 ftf from the Sony devs. They couldnt provide it cos of legal issues
[Xperia Z General] RedZ19:
just curious, whatever happened to the "what's new" app from the 4.4 leak a couple of months back? the one that functions like blinkfeed? Looked really good and I was hoping for that! Is it in the system dump of the Z2 or something?
[Xperia Z General] :
Perhaps it is incompatible with some parts of Sony's firmware? Or they simply don't want bug reports from devices running ART?

Perhaps we can see a port of ART at some point?
[Xperia Z General] jonmorris:
If it's just a normal app, it's presumably going to be available to download at some point - and I'm sure it will be on most Xperia phones given it's pretty much promoting Sony content.

Some of the new camera apps are still to be released, so I guess it's a case of being patient.

I saw it on the Z2 and Z2 Tablet and it looks pretty good.
[Xperia Z General] OverTheEdge:
I'm pretty sure that's for the same as the T-Mobile version because of the C66x6 (C6606/16) which have a different firmware number pattern.
[Xperia Z General] JAsko_san:
Here are some news about the next Android update :) so far, it looks ok :)

[YOUTUBE]<iframe width="560" height="315" src="//www.youtube.com/embed/dPeYgwhFn1M" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>[/YOUTUBE]

Link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dPeYgwhFn1M

This video is leak of Sonys next flagship device, named Xperia D6503 Sirius

video found here:

http://www.androidpolice.com/2014/0...hows-off-everything-the-software-has-to-hide/

What do you guys say? I think that our beloved XZ will receive almost the same updates as mentioned above:
[Xperia Z General] Rajeev:
Missing 4k ???
[Xperia Z General] JAsko_san:
Well I'm not sure if our Xz can make 4k videos??? I think that it can't :/ anyway, the update is near :)
[Xperia Z General] Luke_dD:
If the camera have a resolution of 8 megapixels or higher, there would theoretically able to film in 4K resolution. But I had read somewhere that our chip is not fast enough to film in 4K resolution.
[Xperia Z General] Hellscythe:
Yeah snapdragon s4 pro isn't fast enough. I think only some snapdragon 800 devices can record at 4k
[Xperia Z General] Rajeev:
Yea... 4k videos runs awesomely in Xperia Z1. 3 mnts video and its size is about 897 mb .!!!!!
[Xperia Z General] Hellscythe:
sony did say z1 would get it early february i believe :/
[Xperia Z General] deerhurst:
I'm just hoping that us c66x6 users will get it. The c6606 is still on 4.2.2.
[Xperia Z General] kamalmawa:
Running 4k videos take less resources than recording them. Recording 4k videos need more kernel side reserved memory etc ;)
[Xperia Z General] Rajeev:
Absolutely Right :good:
[Xperia Z General] kongaz2:
Double tap to wake will be included in the 4.4 update.
[Xperia Z General] kingvortex:
Source for this?

Isn't tap to wake a kernel dependent feature? If so, where have Sony published 4.4 kernel sources for the Z? Or is this from a leak?

If true, this would be a useful, much requested feature. :)
[Xperia Z General] ehmjay:
Who cares about 4k.. Im excited about timeshift video! Slowmo like ip5s yeah!
[Xperia Z General] Luke_dD:
I really don't think we can film in 120fps for Timeshift burst.. We can't even film in 60fps, but maybe there is a miracle..

Verstuurd van mijn C6603
[Xperia Z General] JAsko_san:
That would be awesome :) :good:

[MENTION=4555495]kongaz2[/MENTION] - where did you get this info?? source pleaseee
[Xperia Z General] Hellscythe:
can't we film 720p at 60fps?
[Xperia Z General] Luke_dD:
As far as I know, we can only film at 29/30 frames per second.

Verstuurd van mijn C6603
[Xperia Z General] kingvortex:
According to Vodafone Australia, testing is "scheduled" for the 4.4 update for our device.

Knowing how long some carriers take with testing and certification, this might not be anything to get excited about, but you never know!

Source via Vodafone Australia.
[Xperia Z General] worf_1977:
Good news for those who are waiting for Sony to update it's XZ.

Album update shows info about "some improvements for Kitkat(4.4)", so the update should be aproaching our terminals.

Hope will be sometime during MWC here, in Barcelona :D:D:D
[Xperia Z General] joejoe23:
Niaboc's rom has it. Existenz really feel like z2.
[Xperia Z General] constantinos.cha:
Z1 received an update 14.3.A.0.681. Is it kitkat?
[Xperia Z General] kingvortex:
Yes it is, but this isn't news as the Z1 received 4.4 nearly a week ago and isn't really relevant to this thread, which is discussing 4.4 for the Z.
[Xperia Z General] NamenIos:
ART is experimental with no upside and a few incompatibility problems. The feature is meant for devs that want to test if their app runs with an beta version of art. Sadly many users use it, make bad reviews on the playstore based on art incompatibility and blame manufacturers. No wonder Sony did not include it.

I would like to see the option to test things, but with 95% of the art users being the way they are it is just not an option for Sony.
[Xperia Z General] constantinos.cha:
Yea and all posts in here are relevant to the thread... At least since z1 received kitkat z upgrade is getting closer
[Xperia Z General] kamalmawa:
Best way to find out http://bit.ly/1jC6xZU
[Xperia Z General] kingvortex:
It's old news about a different device and an approximate release date of mid Q2 has already been given by Sony for the Z update. You would know that if you read before posting as it's been discussed at length for almost the last week and 10+ pages of this thread.

http://blogs.sonymobile.com/2014/03...eria-z-ultra-xperia-z1-and-xperia-z1-compact/

No malice intended, but there are already pages and pages of discussion on it and you posted with a seemingly unrelated question, so I answered accordingly. That's all. :)
[Xperia Z General] iamkani:
Ok... ??? now we r on end of this month and no sound of 4.4.... ??? KITKAT --->APRIL!!!! ???????

From my Xperia Z monster ???
[Xperia Z General] demonicangell™:
:rolleyes: what does q2 mean ??! we will get it around april-may
[Xperia Z General] iamkani:
Lol... Yehhhh!!!! sony make us to be strong in hope.. ?

From my Xperia Z monster ???
[Xperia Z General] kingvortex:
The link to where Sony announce mid Q2 is right above your post and it's been discussed for 6 days and 14 pages of the thread.

Here it is for probably the tenth time in this thread - http://blogs.sonymobile.com/2014/03...eria-z-ultra-xperia-z1-and-xperia-z1-compact/

:D
[Xperia Z General] demonicangell™:
Oh this will never get old enough .. even after it releases we will see this link floating around here ::p
[Xperia Z General] kingvortex:
It's just amusing seeing people posting that it hasn't released yet. Of course it hasn't! Sony have announced mid Q2 and the information is posted in this thread many many times.

The person I replied to created the thread and obviously doesn't even read it! :D
[Xperia Z General] kuboweb:
Well

The more we wait for, the more we will be excited when it comes :D Till then, using PA :)
[Xperia Z General] Tommy-Geenexus:
Or Sony's great 4.3 official ;)

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[Xperia Z General] androidfreak70:
Hmmm they took alot of time and they still cooking that update:confused: thats looks very good update take your time SONY and make bugz free rom:D
[Xperia Z General] SXZdabbler:
I don't think I'll update if 4.4 doesn't support ext sdcards.
[Xperia Z General] kingvortex:
KitKat does support external SD cards. There are just restrictions on which apps have full read/write access to external storage.

Preinstalled apps on the device (I assume in /system) can access the external storage the same way as in 4.3. Anything you install yourself from the Play store or by side loading is restricted to its own private data folder. This is apparently for security reasons.

Sony are basically forced to implement this change, as I've read that it's part of the certification requirements for including Google apps in your devices roms.

This behavior can be changed very easily if you have root anyway, either with an app or by editing a configuration file manually.
[Xperia Z General] fisik:
Honestly, I dont see the difference in current 4.3 (or 4.2) and future 4.4 in SD cards case - now I have 32Gb and I am able to put only camera and music files on it. Sony doesnt support to move app data on SD card in basic, so why is such big deal for you? If you need it, root and use third apps with this feature.

F.
[Xperia Z General] kingvortex:
Does anyone read before posting in this thread? :D

This issue is not regarding moving app data to the external SD. It is the alteration of the WRITE_EXTERNAL_STORAGE permission.

All third party apps are restricted to writing within their own private directory on the external storage and if you uninstall the app, the directory and it's content is deleted.

It means that you cannot use third party file managers to organise or move files or, for example, there are third party apps for organising and syncing your music collection that will not work any more.

This is not a problem if you have root. For the average user that doesn't root, it's a major change in how storage is handled.
[Xperia Z General] DoubleYouPee:
What about reading?

Will I need to move my Sygic maps to internal memory?
[Xperia Z General] kingvortex:
In the case of data needed for an app, they will be in the apps own data folder that it's allowed full access to.

I haven't got a device that's on 4.4, but from what I've read it's only write access that's affected in any case. Someone correct me if I'm wrong. :)
[Xperia Z General] pjgowtham:
About the eta of 4.4 update..

Sony will start rolling out 4.4 for z/zl/zu/zr from the coming april month. And I'm sure the rollout is gono start with xperia z. May be we'll get the update coming month.
[Xperia Z General] PNuT.:
Who would have thought on an android development site that people would want to discuss & use development features....

I have been using ART for nearly 5 months now & it was only the first couple of weeks that I found a few apps that were not compatible
[Xperia Z General] kingvortex:
There are people here that don't even root. I'm not sure how interested they would be in whether Dalvik or ART is used or how much value they get out of being here, but each to their own, I suppose.

The Xposed Framework is incompatible with ART, therefore a lot of people that do like to mod their device are precluded from using it, for a start. I've also read that ART cannot be used on deodexed roms.

There isn't really a reason for Sony removing it though, in my opinion. The option is basically hidden and shouldn't be activated by someone that doesn't understand the implications in any case. Therefore, if you understand that ART is still experimental, you shouldn't be reporting bugs or sending your phone into Sony for repair for issues caused by using it.

Mid Q2 does not include April. Mid Q2 is May.

Here's Sony's blog post. Again. :D

http://blogs.sonymobile.com/2014/03...eria-z-ultra-xperia-z1-and-xperia-z1-compact/
[Xperia Z General] Shadowchaz:
Well, i just like to keep up to date with what is happening on the dev scene, even if im not rooting my phone. Just interesting to read most of the time :)
[Xperia Z General] jonmorris:
HTC has given access on the M8, and I'd have liked the option. ART has many benefits right now and most apps work fine, as devs aren't silly and know it will eventually be standard. On my Nexus 5, I think Wikipedia is the only app that has some issues now. And I have a LOT of apps.

People who go into a hidden developer menu (initially, meaning they had to find out how to reveal it), activate ART and then moan on the Play store about apps not working properly are idiots.

And I am always sad when the more sensible user that accepts that if something doesn't work when it's in beta, and hidden, with warnings about messing with the options on the phone, is made to lose out because of said idiots who probably also need help getting dressed in the morning!

I'm old enough to make my own decisions.

What fun it will be when ART becomes standard and the next update that makes it so will cause a HUGE delay as all the apps are updated/optimised. Imagine the complaints about it taking 15 minutes or more to start up after the update has completed. Rest assured, Sony will get the grief eventually. :)