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[T-Mobile, Samsung Galaxy SIII] DocHoliday77:
Most of our delays are caused by having to integrate wifi calling, this is true. However, I dont quite think this is the case here. Reason being that I know samsung had sent T-Mobile their release candidate over a month ago. The way it works after this is T-Mobile then distributes this RC to select employees across the country for final pre-release testing. This usually only takes about 2 weeks, give or take a few days. If there are problems and T-Mobile does not feel it is ready, they let Samsung know and it goes back into debugging/development. If T-Mobile feels its ready and functions well, they can then begin pushing it out as the final release.

Since Samsung sent the RC to T-Mobile, and has not received it back due to bugs found in final testing, this tells me either T-Mobile has not even bothered to test it yet, or its been tested and they are just holding it back from release for some odd reason.

I do still think it will make its way to us for several reasons though.

1) I'd think Samsung might be a bit ticked if they dont release it. After all the time and money spent to deliver this update, im sure they'd want to see it pushed out. Many people out there will blame Samsung if they don't, and may decide to avoid Samsung devices in the future because of it. Obviously, Samsung would not appreciate this at all and may actually pressure T-Mobile to push the update.

2) Google requires these devices to be supported with software updates for a minimum of two years. Even though the S3 is now two years old, the update is there and its kind of a gray area because its so close. Better to release it than go against Google's requirements.

3) Tmobile wants to keep customers happy. We've all seen how hard they've been working to get new ones and keep old ones lately. Upsetting customers is something they don't want to do, and those still using the T999/T999L are seeing that literally every major (and minor) carrier EXCEPT T-Mobile has updated the S3. This does nothing to instill confidence in them continuing to support devices at least as long as the competition, and some may choose to try a different carrier for this reason.

4) The S3 is widely thought to be a groundbreaking device for the Android platform. And was a huge selling FLAGSHIP device. Are we to now expect T-Mobile will cease support for the S4/S5/Note 3/Note4, etc before their competitors stop supporting the same? I dont believe T-Mobile wants this kind of reputation.

Sorry so long guys!

Sure theres a possibility they might just press delete and forget about us altogether. Anything is possible! Including us not ever getting the official kk update. And if this does end up the case, I'll be the first to admit I was wrong.

I just feel its a bit early to jump to that conclusion based solely on speculation. I also can see no benefit for anyone involved by withholding it.

And no, im not trying to start a debate or argument. Just sharing my viewpoint on the subject since it keeps coming up.
[T-Mobile, Samsung Galaxy SIII] revwillie:
Well, the latest runkeeper update no longer requires KitKat for BLE HRM support so I could not care less about T-Mobile delaying the upgrade.

Did anyone else notice that the T-Mobile lg g3 is running a little behind the other carriers too? And that more sprint phones are getting WiFi calling? And that sprint is the latest rumored carrier to be buying T-Mobile US...

Curiouser and curiouser....
[T-Mobile, Samsung Galaxy SIII] daggorlad:
I'm thinking it is time to just upgrade my S3 rather than fuss about my old hardware getting new updates. For a 2 year old device, it is still a great phone. But like me, it is getting old :p. Now to decide if I want to go with the S 5 or wait for the Note 4:eek:
[T-Mobile, Samsung Galaxy SIII] yahanna:
I'm still rocking the S3. Its still a great phone. I find no need to upgrade it yet.
[T-Mobile, Samsung Galaxy SIII] DocHoliday77:
The S3 is great, but I must confess, I had a Note 3 for a short time (its broken too.....) but I absolutely loved that thing! I will definitely be highly considering the Note4 when its released! If the Note 3 is any example, the Note4 may be more of a predecessor to the S6 than a slight upgrade from the S5. The Note 3 pretty much has every capability of the S5 and then some, and it came out several months earlier. I dont care so much about warranty, downgrading and knox as others seem to, so as long as its bootloader isn't locked, im in!
[T-Mobile, Samsung Galaxy SIII] mp3deviant721:
Haha, I just bought my S3 and I love it! Especially with an AOSP KK ROM on it.

GS³: Carbonized, LeanKernel'd, Philz'd
[T-Mobile, Samsung Galaxy SIII] yahanna:
Thats not true. The note 3 has S pen and a large 5.7 inch screen which the S5 lacks.
[T-Mobile, Samsung Galaxy SIII] DocHoliday77:
You quoted me out of context. I said the Note 3 has the same capability,

and then some.
[T-Mobile, Samsung Galaxy SIII] allendj81:
There's no device on the market as of now that would make me wanna upgrade. The s3 is up to date and performs as good as any current flagship device on the market. I'm wait for 64 bit phones and quad displays.
[T-Mobile, Samsung Galaxy SIII] Perseus:
Hmmm... There's an Idea. Yeah I'll wait for a true 64 bit as well. I bet they are just around the corner. Perhaps N6 ? In a bid to do oneUpmanship over Samsung ?
[T-Mobile, Samsung Galaxy SIII] Vyrus69:
2 things would make upgrade my phone for use on Metropcs.

1. 64 bit processing phones

2. phones that will use the acquired 700mhz spectrum Tmobile will be building up by years end and will give a better interior signal and strength.
[T-Mobile, Samsung Galaxy SIII] nataku199:
I'm not waiting anymore. I'm starting to have some problems with my phone and need to do a factory reset. My girl's phone is have problems as well. I'm going to flash a custom rom. Which 4.4 is the least buggiest. Or a good 4.3 with wifi calling. I don't remember which rom I used in the past, deviant maybe but I think that was 4.2.
[T-Mobile, Samsung Galaxy SIII] DocHoliday77:
Theyre all quite good from what I can tell. But if you need wifi calling you're limited to 4 3 touchwiz roms.
[T-Mobile, Samsung Galaxy SIII] nataku199:
Not all touchwiz support wifi calling do they? A little help by naming a few would save me a lot of time. I'm also thinking about sacrificing the wifi calling just to give a 4.4 rom a try especially if I can get one that's known to have a strong signal.
[T-Mobile, Samsung Galaxy SIII] serio22:
All T-Mobile based tw ROMs support WiFi calling, the rest do not
[T-Mobile, Samsung Galaxy SIII] ibous:
Why? Unless you are expecting to have a phone with >>3GB of memory? The main advantage of a 64 bit system is a huge address space, and I don't see phones having over 4GB of memory in the short term. What apps do you expect to run on a phone that work with huge data sets?
[T-Mobile, Samsung Galaxy SIII] nirogu325:
The idea is to be as future-proof as possible with the next phone upgrade. Some view an upgrade as an investment for the long term.

Wait, isn't this derailing the thread?
[T-Mobile, Samsung Galaxy SIII] yahanna:
One question though. I'm on a tmobile $40 prepaid plan. If wifi calling is free on tmobile, why cant I make international wifi calls?
[T-Mobile, Samsung Galaxy SIII] serio22:
You can't make calls to another country unless you have a plan for it
[T-Mobile, Samsung Galaxy SIII] krazyq:
I got tired of waiting too and finally flashed my phone with CM 4.4.4 Nightlies.

You will loose wifi calling so you will have to stick with the T-Mobile roms

I'm just super happy, I'm so over TouchWiz, I'll never put it back, no lag, smooth silky and quick. On boot i have only about 450mb ram used, really nice to see that.

If you want something more stable you could go with the M8 version of CM or the slimkat version but then again you will loose wifi calling
[T-Mobile, Samsung Galaxy SIII] nataku199:
I ended up going with slimkat. So far i really like it. It's so fast. I can't figure out if you can put shortcuts (bluetooth, wifi, etc...) into the dropdown notification thing.
[T-Mobile, Samsung Galaxy SIII] Perseus:
Use QuickSetting toggle instead.
[T-Mobile, Samsung Galaxy SIII] krazyq:
I was ok with it but wasn't totally happy.

Now that I'm on CM, I am super happy and I can get the notification part to work, So i have my shortcuts on the top along with the notifications below just like it use to be plus I feel like it's faster and more smooth. I felt like slimkat got more confusing with too many options out there.

The CM version felt more organized to me.

I guess it is preference.

SlimKat or CM, both are way better than 4.3 on Touchwiz!
[T-Mobile, Samsung Galaxy SIII] mp3deviant721:
Have you tried Carbon? Its got a lot of the cool stuff, but seems the most polished out of all the ROMs with fancy features. And it works pretty good too...

GS³: Carbonized, LeanKernel'd, Philz'd
[T-Mobile, Samsung Galaxy SIII] krazyq:
I've been seeing a lot of battery issues since their last update.

So far I haven't had any issues with CM latest Nightlies, I have been trying to use different features everyday to keep testing this to make sure it's stable for me.

If it's good until the end of the week, I may just stick with it

I wonder when 4.4.4 will get official, I might try Carbon anyways, I have heard good stuff in the past about it
[T-Mobile, Samsung Galaxy SIII] atb1183:
how's camera, bluetooth, and home button on AOSP

How's the camera on these AOSP based ROMS? and bluetooth music streaming? and home button to wake feature?

these are what kept me coming back to Touchwiz
[T-Mobile, Samsung Galaxy SIII] mp3deviant721:
Camera works good for me. BT music is good too. I think there are some ROMs that still have BT issues, but a lot of them have working BT now... I use CarbonRom by the way. Home button wake seems to work good too.

GS³: Carbonized, LeanKernel'd, Philz'd
[T-Mobile, Samsung Galaxy SIII] nataku199:
I'm gonna give CM a shot. I gave SlimKat a week but just couldn't get into it. Not having the BT,Wifi whortcuts in the notification pull down was a real hassle for me. But the BT would crash everytime I'd send a txt with Handcent. That was the deal breaker.
[T-Mobile, Samsung Galaxy SIII] krazyq:
As long as you make a backup.

I'm on the Nightlies, you can expect occasional bugs.

There's a Snapshot version M8 which is probably more stable and gets updated monthly if you want to try that to be safe.

(Just got an invite for the OnePlus One btw so I guess I will be moving away from the SGSIII)
[T-Mobile, Samsung Galaxy SIII] yahanna:
Is there an S5 Kitkat rom for the S3 made for US Tmobile? I know Hypermax is one but its not for US Tmobile. Please let know guys.
[T-Mobile, Samsung Galaxy SIII] sector4:
There is. It's called likewise 2.5 beta. Works well.
[T-Mobile, Samsung Galaxy SIII] yahanna:
That rom is not compatible with the US version of the S3, whicj is the SGH-T999.
[T-Mobile, Samsung Galaxy SIII] sector4:
Yes it it. At least the one in our forums does. I had it installed already. The Light version wouldn't load passed selecting the Lang at setup. But the 2.5 beta worked great.

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=2770980
[T-Mobile, Samsung Galaxy SIII] JustZaphod:
While I was paying my bill at my local T-mobile shop out in Nevada. I asked about the Kitkat upgrade, and his reply to me was that WE will NOT being getting Kitkat.. Not sure of the validity of this, but I've heard this twice from 2 different sources..
[T-Mobile, Samsung Galaxy SIII] Perseus:
I'd rather Ask T-Mo's "Tech Support" since they have a better idea that Kitkat you are talking about isn't the candy bar.
[T-Mobile, Samsung Galaxy SIII] JustZaphod:
I was thinking the same thing, but when I call for T-mobile tech support I get someone outside the US and its SUPER annoying. They read from a script and won't escalate it to someone who can actually HELP ME, its so annoying. I'm in no particular rush to get 4.4.2 since I'm using Carbon with is a 4.4.4 rom, and is stable. What I miss is the Wifi Calling which on my next trip I'm going to revert back to S3Rx 3.0 just incase I get a bad signal out in that area.. S3Rx is a Great 4.3 rom, I just find that Carbon, and PACROM give me better battery life..
[T-Mobile, Samsung Galaxy SIII] DocHoliday77:
IME, neither store employees or tech support (or any other employee for that matter) have a clue about anything that isn't directly related to their job. (Reading from the screen, selling you a new device, etc). Not even the ones who help via the T-Mobile support forums ever get this info, and they seem to be the most knowledgeable of anyone in just about every area.

I will admit though, I have been wondering about it myself, but it still just doesn't make sense to not release it.

And as for the store employees, some said the same thing about 4.3, but as it turned out, they either just didn't know, or were lying in hopes of getting folks to buy new devices.

All I know for sure anymore though, is Samsung did fully develop and release a final RC 4.4.2 to T-Mobile. And with how aggressive they've been with their competition lately, it just doesn't make any sense to me why they wouldn't release it. (Especially when the T999L and T999N variants are still considered relatively new). I do honestly wonder if it just didn't get buried under some supervisors pile of paperwork or accidentally deleted or ignored an email.....who knows at this point.

In the end though, it still doesn't matter too much to me. Aside from not having WiFi calling, the Sprint port has still been one of the best roms I've run to date. And for those who are wanting something fresh and new, there will be some more roms ported over pretty soon. In particular, look out for TMS3KK, and quite possibly S3rx in the near future. (S3rx v4 is currently being worked on for AT&T and I'm sure will be ported for us shortly after its completed.)

There may not be much direct development on the T999 anymore, but its not quite dead yet!
[T-Mobile, Samsung Galaxy SIII] Perseus:
Do I understand right that T999L and T999N haven't got the update either ?
[T-Mobile, Samsung Galaxy SIII] JustZaphod:
When I purchased my S3 about 6 months or so ago, it looked like I knew more about the Device then they did.. I asked all kinds of normal every day questions, like if it supported NFC, or Wireless Charging.. just to see if the salesman knew his stuff.. and I couldn't get a straight answer from any of them.. As a hobby I like to keep up with all the latest stuff, and I'm sure more than half the people on this forum do the exact same thing and would make a better salesman than those guys at the local cell store.. Sometimes I wonder how they even got their jobs.. When I bought my S3 they said it did not support wireless charging, and I called *ull****... and came back when I got my adapter and showed them..

Edit: I have had my Asus Epad Transformer Tf101 for a couple of years, and with Developers like timduru that develop the KatKiss rom, which just makes my old TF101 feeling brandnew.. I have nothing but respect for those developers that keep old devices going with the latest stuff. I know it doesn't bring in the big bucks, but I have been dabbling with Android and what you guys do to compile the rom is nothing short of amazing..
[T-Mobile, Samsung Galaxy SIII] yahanna:
Hi sector.. On the 1st page to the link it says I need a 4.3 modem and bootloader. I still got 4.3 JB. Is it ok to install on my phone?
[T-Mobile, Samsung Galaxy SIII] sector4:
I was on 4.3 nc2 and used it.
[T-Mobile, Samsung Galaxy SIII] Perseus:
Discussion about a particular Thread should happen on THAT thread not here. Don't Sidetrack/derail this thread.
[T-Mobile, Samsung Galaxy SIII] SpeedsterPaul:
Yeah we don't have it either
[T-Mobile, Samsung Galaxy SIII] Perseus:
Thanks. That makes it even more weirder. Those Devices should have got it.

A careful digging revealed that T-mo is the only one whose app "My Account" that clearly identified the CiQ and User information Gathering policies. So perhaps, samsung is required to unbundle CiQ for their sake and have that included in that app. Potentially that could be the reason. Perhaps WiFi Calling is having issues with 4.4.2 ?
[T-Mobile, Samsung Galaxy SIII] DocHoliday77:
Nope. Only the T999V and afaik every other Qualcomm based S3 has been updated. Only the T999, T999L and T999N have not.

---------- Post added at 02:24 PM ---------- Previous post was at 02:16 PM ----------

For CiQ, ours is the only one that's kept it included for some time now, afaik anyway. And I don't think wifi calling is the issue. If T-Mobile had actually tested the RC and found it didn't work right, it would've been sent back to Samsung for further debugging. To my knowledge, T-Mobile hasn't even tested it yet. Apparently they got the RC and have just done nothing.

The past few releases, I've gotten wind of testing going on prior to release, even managed to get a leaked build out first. But not this time. Its like they got the memo, but never read it!
[T-Mobile, Samsung Galaxy SIII] revwillie:
I'm in Italy right now and running S3Rx 3.0. Talked to my dad last night on WiFi calling. Tmo simple choice gets me 3G data in big cities or along major roads. Carriers have been I WIND, TIM, and once on vodaphone towers. Sometimes I have to go airplane mode for a sec or two to goose the data connection. Been texting with my wife on the same plan and father-in-law roaming on at&t.
[T-Mobile, Samsung Galaxy SIII] JustZaphod:
What I don't understand is why its taken so long, although I'm happy where I'm at.. I do miss the Wifi Calling feature, and when I travel I revert to S3Rx so thats always available.. My issue is there are kids compiling ROMs in their mothers basement faster than the OEMs can pump out updates....They have 10x or more resources out than the average scripter...I know they have other things and other upgrades, and ROMs to pump out, but I've seen KANGs come out with updates, Complete AOSP rebuilds or even Scratch builds come up faster and more stable than the ROM the OEM, such as Samsung and or any other OEM..
[T-Mobile, Samsung Galaxy SIII] allendj81:
After such a long time, I actually just lost hope to get the update!

On the other hand is good to know that S3 ATT ports will work well for us, and that some of our favorite roms will be updated, too bad we wont get wifi calling.

I guess we are the only ones waiting for the 4.4 update (I say "we" root users and tech savvy people) I honestly don't see a normal user caring about the update anyway. Its just messed up that tmobile is the only US carrier that apparently decided not to push the update ( did verizon pushed theirs?).
[T-Mobile, Samsung Galaxy SIII] Jay Rock:
Every carrier except T-Mobile has done it, to my knowledge.
[T-Mobile, Samsung Galaxy SIII] DocHoliday77:
Yup, Verizon had theirs released a few weeks ago. And afaik, its T-Mobile and MetroPCS (T999N) that are the only ones not updated. I guess technically that's just all T-Mobile though.

Maybe if we all flooded the T-Mobile support forums with questions/complaints......
[T-Mobile, Samsung Galaxy SIII] masondoctorjt:
Maybe we should all tweet [MENTION=3373379]JohnLeger[/MENTION]e
[T-Mobile, Samsung Galaxy SIII] DocHoliday77:
Something tells me he's probably got assistants screening those. But hey, why not?!
[T-Mobile, Samsung Galaxy SIII] JustZaphod:
I bought my S3 knowing that even though by the time I got it, the S6 or S7 would be on the horizon... I really love my S3, and I don't plan on upgrading until the developers give up.. I paid off my loan from my LG L9 super early so I could buy this phone, and I'll have the loan paid off this phone with in 6 months.. A whole year early.. So ill consider getting an S4 verses the S5 or S6.. This phone is extremely versatile, and the screen size is perfect for me.. My L9 had a locked bootloader so it was a pain to get another rom on it... The S3 pairs perfectly with my Nexus 7 2013, and I have a Asus TF101 and there are still people pulling out ROMs for it.. and it runs like a dream.. This is why I love Android devices so much.. Although I'm not a fan of TW, but the S3Rx rom is amazing.. I look forward to seeing the S3Rx 4.0 when its released.. That will be my main rom when its released.. I've tested Android L on my Nexus 7, and I honestly didn't like it.. I hope they make changes and then port it over to the S3..

I won't be getting rid of this phone for a LONG time.. Its my all time favorite device
[T-Mobile, Samsung Galaxy SIII] kimbo1986:
Ive tried the latest CM but for some reason twitch lags after a few minutes while streaming, to the point where its un watchable. Everything else was buttery smooth. I wish twitch worked, i would have stayed on it. I have to say though, TW has came a long way, and with KK it just operates and flows so well for me, and the best part is, no bugs, everything works the way it should!

Im back to Likewise (latest KK TW mod we have in tmobile thread)
[T-Mobile, Samsung Galaxy SIII] allendj81:
http://support.t-mobile.com/thread/75362 I just started this thread at tmobile, go comment or bombar it :angel::good:
[T-Mobile, Samsung Galaxy SIII] freshjr:
In it for backup. I don't think the thread will do much good. The tmobile history of the original galaxy updates was much worse.

Samsung should stop being a little ***** and negotiate to push their own updates like apple.
[T-Mobile, Samsung Galaxy SIII] allendj81:
Thanks for chiming in dude. It doesn't matter if a tmo rep replies, I just they are reading what people are saying and that there are people like us waiting for the update. It takes some stirring here and there to get some results
[T-Mobile, Samsung Galaxy SIII] calexchelse:
Just a drop in. This article may help. It is mostly about the note 2 but ours is mentioned as well. It confirms what I thought all along.

http://www.gottabemobile.com/2014/07/28/galaxy-note-2-android-4-4-kitkat-update/
[T-Mobile, Samsung Galaxy SIII] yahanna:
This is the only reason why I hate tmobile. Theyre holding out on S3 users for too long. I seriously dont understand why they wont just release KK when every US carrier has so far. I hope the Sprint merger happens. The new management under Sprint will succeed in this atea where tmobile has utterly failed.
[T-Mobile, Samsung Galaxy SIII] calexchelse:
Did ya miss the part about the wifi calling that is giving them grief. And before you say that is caused by Tmobile, there are a lot of people who have Tmobile strictly for wifi calling. I can't go outside of tw roms due to needing it. Thankful I'm rocking note 3 at the moment, but my s3 is still rocking for my daughter and I can't wait till I can start flashing those Kk tw roms that will be coming. I still say the s3 has the best devs.
[T-Mobile, Samsung Galaxy SIII] allendj81:
There are a lot of people on these kinds of forums that hate to admit they are wrong lol. We are simply just stating the facts we know and buying into speculation. At least if good for the thread and hopefully someone is reading
[T-Mobile, Samsung Galaxy SIII] yahanna:
Yes I know wifi calling is a big issue for many users. Its sad that tmobile wont release KK.

I wont say that the S3 has the best devs since the S3 and Note 3 both have heavy development behind them. But because the S3 was released before the Note 3, I do know its got more work done. I'd still prefer the Note 3 though.
[T-Mobile, Samsung Galaxy SIII] freshjr:
I think he was just getting trolling everyone all along. I ran out of energy.
[T-Mobile, Samsung Galaxy SIII] allendj81:
I did try to reply again to his nonsense but the stupid tmo website didn't let me post after trying like 20 times lol, so I just let it go
[T-Mobile, Samsung Galaxy SIII] Perseus:
Don't worry. I saw your post and that post too.

Thanks for highlighting.

Please don't insult DEVs who are still working on this device. WiFi Calling is a T-Mo specific feature not an AOSP feature. You like Note 3 ? Go use it. Don't derail this thread.
[T-Mobile, Samsung Galaxy SIII] yahanna:
What are you talking about? No one here insulted the devs. You want to troll? Do it someplace else, DO NOT do it in here or you will be reported.