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[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] zelendel:
Tool kits should not be needed in the first place by anyone that is on this site.

Bat cave One
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] gee2012:
I agree with most you say about the toolkits, but users should initialy try to find most answers for their issues themselves instead of expecting to be spoonfed by users that did do the research.
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] pwrmedia:
I'd agree with you.....if it was still 2003.

As the site and community has evolved, it's become much more of a melting pot. Users of all levels of device expertise are welcome to join. That being said, toolkits became developments of convenience.

Not looking to ignite an argument on the necessity (or lack thereof) of toolkits and other apps to assist users on rooting/unlocking, of course. Just making a case that the XDA of today is NOT what the XDA of 10 years ago was.
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] wideasleep1:
Ban idiocy and stupidity. Toolkits don't kill phones...idiots kill phones.
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] zelendel:
Oh I agree it has become a melting pot of people that are only here cause they think it's cool and tool kits don't help the matter. Less people would be bricking and having issues if they were forced to do things properly.

In time things will get back to normal when people start going to other devices that don't require brains to use.
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] danarama:
Maybe.

I think part of the problem is that although it is typically a development forum, there is a lot of non-development (user generated) content here. Stuff about screen protectors, cases, how to turn on GPS and other stuff generally better suites to help forums such as Android Forums. I think a lot of people join thinking this is a help forum, but our underlying ethos remains so those users are thrown into a place where much of the content is still root / development / customisation related and the inevitable happens... People who can't work GPS end up running through guides and using toolkits to root.... because it's all around them... I think we kind of open ourselves up to it. I wish we took a harder line with people who use this place as a basic RTM help forum.
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] PhilipTD:
What do you think of the statement on the bottom-left of every xda webpage?
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] danarama:
This one?

I think it should be made bigger. Perhaps a pop up fill half the page. I think it should also have a dismiss button that moves on mouse hover so they can't click it and a line commented out in the page source code that tells users how to dismiss the pop up

People who are not developers who want to customise are fine. Thats you and I I think. But we contribute too. we feed back, we answer questions for people. There are people who dont care about the journey and just want the end result. there are other people who dont even want anything that needs development of any kind, they just want to know how to use their phone. These are the problem people IMO
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] PhilipTD:
Ah, I get it. I agree.
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] El Daddy:
Take a look at the last 5 pages in the Q&A section. I see one question about building from AOSP and a couple of technical issue posts. There aren't many threads that have to do with the XDA mission statement. And that's concerning. From the daily "Is the Nexus 5 unlocked?" thread to the "why doesn't NBA Jam work!!1!," this site is turning into a one stop shop to answer any question that comes to ones mind. It's like people say, "I have a Nexus 5, I should ask about teddy bears and rainbows in the Nexus 5 section!"

I just wish that more users were interested in how to get from A to B rather than how to get to B as quickly as possible. It would make for a more enjoyable visit.
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] PhilipTD:
You're right.
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] jd1639:
Some what ot, but I've been seeing a fair amount of issues with cf auto root. Some that look like emmc failures and some issues with widgets loading slowly. Anyone else noticing that? Could be just a coincidence
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] PhilipTD:
One thing that has started to become tiresome to me is the inane talk about battery life. Every day, it seems, there are several posts all of which boil down to "Hey! My battery level goes down when I use my phone! Any ideas?"

I used to try to help by suggesting to the OP to get BBS, use it for a while, and then come back and attach the log, along with the basic information about his phone, rom, etc. (I wish everyone had that info in his signature). Often, such advice apparently isn't what they want to hear, however. Rather, they're looking for a quick fix. So impatient! I feel like telling some of the testier ones to stop being lazy, but, I never do. Although it might be justified, it still would be impolite. So I just stop responding.

In my opinion, this site, whatever was its original purpose, has evolved into something wonderful. The core development activity is thriving. And, now, enthusiasts from all over the world come here to explore together the latest technology. Many of them make significant contributions to the testing efforts of the devs. Others volunteer their time and talent to the general population by offering advice, troubleshooting, and creating themes.

Some, admittedly, are not the brightest stars in the system, or the quickest to catch on, or proficient in English, or even coherent. Some are outright ninnies. And, there are a few troublemakers. Such is to be expected when you have five and a half million members. I, for one, find the forum "regulars" here to be extraordinarily welcoming, helpful, skilled mentors and the vast majority of new members to be extremely polite and appreciative.

Perhaps it's incumbent upon those of us who are invested in this community to assist the admins and mods to preserve it's usefulness, promote its growth, and protect its character. And maybe the best way to do that is to take the high road with newbies by exhibiting patience and tolerance. We can afford to give them the benefit of the doubt in the beginning.

I fully intend to practice what I preach. The very next time a greenhorn posts something excruciatingly annoying and idiotic, I'm going to be a gentleman. I'm not going to be condescending, sanctimonious, or nasty. I'm not going to say, "This is a developers' forum". I am going to encourage him to search, read up, take the time to learn, and, perhaps, to eventually be able to add value to the community himself. And if he turns out to be a jerk, I'll ignore him.
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] BirchBarlow:
I've noticed the same thing.
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] danarama:
...and this is a huge problem. Whenever I get a compiling issue and want help, I've nowhere to ask. Historically its sat in q&a with no answers because people who know don't want to wade through the crap of q&a.

I actually gave up asking and try to rely on Google searches which is not good.
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] zelendel:
Ding ding ding we have a winner johnny. This is why I stick to the cook and University sections now.

Root as your an older member I am sure you know about the XDA search FF and IE plug in.

But for others. It is far better then the built in search and more direct then a google search. It is linked in my Sig
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] danarama:
Thanks...

I actually didn't know about it. Linux chromium user though :)
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Shanks:
You are always told that is risky and that you could tender your device useless, so why the complains? Don't like to take risks? Then don't use it
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] EddyOS:
Banned as a whole, no. Banned for Nexus devices, yes.

The Nexus range doesn't need special procedures to unlock a bootloader, it's a simple fastboot command - that's it. All a user with a Nexus device has to do is download the SDK from Google, add adb/fastboot to their System Path and you never need to browse to a certain folder ever again as you can use them from anywhere (this applies to all Android devices, not just Nexi)

I remember my first Android device, the HTC Desire, and I used Paul O'Brien's live CD to boot into Linux and then follow his commands to root the phone. I read, re-read and re-read again before taking the plunge and, although I'd been here a while with my old HTC HD2 (and even released a few ROMs for it), I was mainly using MoDaCo at first until I came back here. And even then I made sure I read/searched what I could to educate myself.

End of the day, as everyone else has already said, new users just want to get the cool stuff. They don't care about the learning curve cause the believe someone else will do it for them. That is what has to change
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Laggalot:
i rooted my old sgs2 with odin (2 weeks of unsecureness and reading ) 2 years later ..... my nexus 7 2013 was rooted with a tool, because the drivers did not want to work .... and my and my GFs n5 will be rooted with wugs tool aswell ..... i use this tool only for the first unlock and root .... everything i can do on the device itself i prefer to do on thr device(kernel, custom recovery, roms, etc)

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[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] danarama:
Instead of using a tool, you should fix the driver issue..... Because if you have driver issues now, what will you do when you have to fix the phone without a toolkit?

Nope. Use the toolkit to install the drivers then stop using the toolkit.
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Primokorn:
Interesting thread especially OT regarding our society. :)

I've read almost every post here and I'd like to add my 2 cents:

- Maybe xda isn't the same forum as you knew before. IMO this isn't due to our society but XDA's popularity. I think I'm not wrong saying that XDA is growing every year, more and more people come here to discover amazing new stuff. When a community is growing there are more and more different behaviors and it's hard to appreciate every single member.

Nevertheless I believe that's a real pleasure to participate here and help others even if they post "stupid" questions.

The first main of a community is helping together right? Everybody isn't perfect but is it a reason to ban members??? It's always easier to criticize when we have the information ^^

Moreover it's more than possible that some folks come right here because they have no other forums to go. We can have a "local forum" to discuss with friends but regarding technical things we need to come here to have the point of view of experienced people. What is considered as difficult on a local forum can be considered as easy on XDA wihout forgetting that the language barrier can make communication difficult.

- If you complain about newbies on Nexus sections you should have a look on flagships of Samsung, HTC or Sony... "I have a red message 'Odin failed', why?" / "My computer doesn't recognize my phone, why?" "Where can I download Samsung firmwares"... There are more newbie questions in those section I think.

- About toolkits I'd say that if everything works so I'm happy for newbies. If there's a problem the newbie has to pray for someone to help.

All necessary information are available on XDA and somewhere else so the newbie just has to NOT complain in case of trouble...
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Laggalot:
if i have an issue now i know what do do ;) read and learn :) i read both methods (tool and manual ) and at first i wanted to use adb but then yeah... drivers ;) maybe i will unlock my n5 manual ! i should get it tomorrow ;) because i want CWM and not TWRP or how it is called right away ^^ (tool flashes twrp)

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yeah in galaxy s4 there is an whole "noob question " thread where they .. (not me) can ask everything and even if the people there have to answer the sane thing twice an hour they stay positive !

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[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] dia_naji:
I used a tool kit just once and will never use it again ! The nexus 5 is probably the easiest device to unlock and root. We have great devs that that explain in great detail how to unlock you're boot loader. On the other hand some people get scared when doing these things and would prefer a toolkit, but that's just how they feel
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] wideasleep1:
Here's a suggestion (well, two actually, it's a complex problem requiring a multi-faceted approach): Facilitate people to help themselves.

1) Shift the support onus back to the Tool author/dev. Require the 'reserved' post directly after the Announcement OP to contain a thorough troubleshooting link list of well-defined issues and solutions, which shall be contributed and amended by members/dev and maintained by dev. Many Tool authors already to this do some extent, but it should be a requirement for any Tool Kit. Dev/authors have an incentive to reduce their own support demand along with helpful members, and I have found a consistent, maintained 'database' to help myself locate solutions is best. Once that information is easy accessible, the second suggestion is required to make it effective:

2) Helpful members should direct help towards the Troubleshooting post, once a Toolkit has been identified. I know it's not the answer many want ('your issue has already been covered in the Troubleshooting post'), but people need to help themselves on repetitive and simple issues/solutions. I once had a prof, a bit of a prick really, who would never give you a direct answer to a question. He was close to retirement, so I assumed he just didn't care. Totally lost on a concept, I decided I would try his after-hours, and he was just as obstinate one-on-one; "The answer you want is in the book. I know, because I wrote the book". He forced me to help myself...I re-read the material fresh, did some more digging through supporting documents and references, and ended up becoming fascinated and encouraged in the topic I once found impossible. He was brilliant, but still a bit of a prick, like most brilliant people are, but I saw what he did. He had taught me to rely on my own resources and actually learn from it, and maybe even enjoy it. This is what seems to be missing in the fora.

FWIW, this concept should really be applied across other topics, not only Toolkits, where there is an expectation of support Q&A. Many OP's already 'reserve' immediate posts, so lets make it mandatory.
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] jjhiza:
I agree with most of what you are saying here, but I think it's a tough ask for toolkit developers to take on the role of customer service rep/translator/professor. While they should be required to provide some level of troubleshooting support, they can't be held responsible for the issues that the language barrier, laziness, and ignorance bring.

In a development forum, users should be expected to have a certain level of proficiency with the device in question, but let's be honest, at least 35-45% of the people posting in dev threads, have no business being rooted, let alone trying to tweak or flash anything. That might seem like a small percentage, but they're a very vocal minority, which makes some threads unenjoyable to be in.

I really think restricted access is the only way to drive home the point that everyone needs to read and educate themselves, before trying to jump in the deep end of the pool. Misinformation, hand holding, and pandering (not to mention the lack of protection that developers have here) are destroying a once-great community, and that needs to change. :thumbup:
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] wideasleep1:
I don't disagree, but if we keep the Toolkits and such in general access, that approach is a workable solution. In my experience, Wug, MSkip and others are desirous of helping their users, and would likely welcome it (as I said, to some degree they already attempt to compile and facilitate repetitive solutions).

I also see an opportunity for XDA, to have a deep database of solutions: I go to rockauto.com for truck parts->I select make, my model, my year, drill down to brakes, pads, semi-metallic. We could use a similar dichotomous tree/key approach for the everydayman to seek solutions to his issues. Once the data is acquired, it's a matter of efficient presentation, while currently we reinvent the wheel post by post. The information presented, ideally, should be instructive: issue description, how/why it could happen, solutions, with the user required to follow instructions to complete the solution.
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] PhilipTD:
This is an excellent idea. How could it be implemented? Who would create/maintain it?
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] wideasleep1:
Well..just about anyone with the skill set could build and maintain it. Naturally I would want XDA to benefit, perhaps accessible with premium membership. I think it can be monetised, so why not make it self-supporting? :)

(I mean, a key or tree is essentially an 'if/then' format in its most basic form, and we fortunately have a lot of folks pre-disposed to that structure! ;) )
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] jjhiza:
That actually is a very legitimate solution, and I love your idea of monetizing it. I'm all for the spread of information and tools, but like I said, some people need to be saved from themselves. If developers (and xda in general) can benefit financially for providing/hosting their goods and services, I'd be all for it.

I'd also fully support xda or individual devs, if they wanted to create a "learning center" of sorts, with weekly, bi-weekly, or monthly live video feeds (Hangouts?), to instruct users on all aspects of the community... From proper rooting and flashing, to compiling kernels and ROMs, and building themes, or installing a Linux distro - I think many users would gladly pay for a service like that. It would spread information, engage the community in a way that simple tutorial threads and videos don't. It would also allow for non-English speaking users to (possibly) gain information in their native language, this making their experience easier, better, and more enjoyable. :)
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] _jordan_:
Tool kit it up.

I dont use em, but I enjoy reading bricked threads posted by those who do.

Still trying to figure out how some people can brick a nexus beyond fastboot revival.
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] t1.8matt:
I started off using toolkits for my Gnex and N7, but I had nothing but problems with them. After doing a lot of research reading guides by Jubakuba, Efrant and the like, after PROPERLY setting up the Android SDK and associated drivers, using fastboot and adb is a breeze. You get a great sense of self satisfaction after you properly execute a command and you see everything work. I won't even use the toolkits to install drivers anymore as you can find how to install them on Google in minutes, even being on Windows 8 (pain in the ass). Do I think toolkits should be banned, not really. I think it's neat the time and effort that goes into them. But as someone has said before, they should not be at the forefront of Android development forums. And as also said before, if someone who does use a toolkit and ends up messing their phone up, those problems should be posted in the TOOLKITS thread, not countless thread after thread of "Why did the toolkit brikz my phone, HALP?!?!?!" in the General and Q&A sections.
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] meangreenie:
wow.. deadbeats feeling proud they executed a simple fastboot command manually lol....'I'm so elite, must ban toolkits now!!!!!'.... is that the thought process?

try this one.. fastboot up own arse ego.img

only j/k
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] danarama:
Thanks for this. Now I have a brick!
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] wideasleep1:
Up own arse? Oi!
[Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] zelendel:
OK guys that's as far as it goes.

Bat cave One
[General Questions and Answers] cyfan:
I've tried several Kitkat ROMS for my T-Mobile Galaxy Note 2. All have the same issue: They won't send the right tones once I've connected to a conference call, so I can't use my cell to dial into a teleconference. It's a dealbreaker (and a heart breaker that I had to go back to the stock rom.) Is this a Kitkat problem? Or maybe it's a cyanogenmod problems and coincidentally all the ROMs I tried were based on CM11?
[JAMin, XDA Neo, S200 General] mugen_jon:
Hi, I'm using Dopod 800 and encountered this problem.

Sometimes my phone didnt vibrate and the sound become softer..... sometime the sound totally disappeared...... but the sound will back in a few minutes or soft reset will solve it......

Is it Dopod factory fault or its a software problem ??

Thanks
[T-Mobile HTC One (M7)] ourquestinc:
Hello,

How i can change boot-mode: From RUU To Normal Boot to android OS,

When re-starting my device it will go to RUU boot mode automatically, then i need use Fastboot to reboot it and it will back to normal....

How i can change it to normal boot mode?

Please help

Thanks
[T-Mobile HTC One (M7)] jluca98:
I think you will need to flash the boot.IMG from your ROM in fastboot. However I am assuming your bootloader is unlocked and you have a custom recovery.
[Vibrant Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] shamanoid:
hi

my first rom was cm 10.2 by sada23, and the gps was working, but i had insane data usage from android os

now i tried cyan aosp, and data usage issue is fixed, but gps isnt working..

anyone can recommend a rom with both these features? (working gps and no os data usage)

thanks :)
[Vibrant Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] skinzy98:
I just posted a new cyanaosp with fluid kernel. Let me know hpwnthe GPS is on that one
[Sony Ericsson Xperia Mini, Mini Pro, Xperia Pro, A] Rei Zazie:
I'm currently using zelly cream 5 custom rom which using xperia keyboard. the problem is, some times when I'm using applications which need keyboard to type, the keyboard won't show up, I have to wait for around 1-3 minutes for the keyboard to appear again or the worst it won't appear at all. I have explained this to the developer of the custom rom and he said I may run out of RAM that causes the keyboard getting killed. But the thing is I have around 170mb free RAM when it happened. :confused: Does xperia keyboard really consume so much RAM that makes it getting killed? :confused:

If it is really because of RAM, I wanted to ask, is there any way I can make the keyboard locked and won't get killed no matter how? Because I only use XBooster by Gagan Singh and have putted my xperia keyboard in white list so it will not killed. Is there a way to make the keyboard impossible to be killed?

Or maybe a custom way to trigger opening the keyboard when needed? (like on Gingerbread when you hold setting tactile key, the keyboard will be opened)

Thanks a lot in advance.. :)
[Sony Ericsson Xperia Mini, Mini Pro, Xperia Pro, A] Rei Zazie:
no one here can help me with this problem? :confused:
[Sony Ericsson Xperia Mini, Mini Pro, Xperia Pro, A] Rhyskymud:
Don't use any ram booster..

Try to change the service.jar on system/framework with the another one from other roms wich in same based..

Click Thanks if I help you :D
[Sony Ericsson Xperia Mini, Mini Pro, Xperia Pro, A] bejunk:
im here :) to keep the keyboard in RAM u can renice it (make it 'important', so wont be kicked fast.)

make a init.d script of this: , but remeber the RED text have to be changed to ur keyboard!!

renice -19 `pidof [COLOR="Red"]com.android.inputmethod.latin[/COLOR]`

hope it helps ;)
[Sony Ericsson Xperia Mini, Mini Pro, Xperia Pro, A] Rei Zazie:
Thanks a lot for the replies guys... I will try to make its init.d scripts... Have to learn how though, bcause honestly I never learn about init.d scripts... Hehe.. :)
[Sony Ericsson Xperia Mini, Mini Pro, Xperia Pro, A] bejunk:
if u need help i can help u just a few simple steps