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[Moto X General] Julianocas:
Sorry, can't remember the bootloader number.

<step operation="getvar" var="max-download-size" />

<step operation="flash" partition="partition" filename="gpt.bin" MD5="XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX" />

<step operation="flash" partition="motoboot" filename="motoboot.img" MD5="XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX" />

No, I've just downgrade the rest maintaining the bootloader from Ret DE. The system recognized that it was 4.4 Ret BR, even with Ret DE bootloader, and I could insert the OTA at root folder and install it. Since the OTA was loaded with the newest bootloader, it wasn't a problem to replace the German one...
[Moto X General] flashallthetime:
Ok

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[Moto X General] Jayrod1980:
If you manually flash with fast boot, you can sidegrade, or conversely you can with rsd lite without changing the script. I know this because when I returned one of my moto x I reflashed back to stock... Which is a sidegrade. The caveat with all the flashing is that you cannot downgrade the boot loader.
[Moto X General] flashallthetime:
You can if you go from 30.b3 to 30.b4 what about the other way?

Also need info on which firmware doesn't work for certain carriers. I know that the uk firmware will not function with data in brazil. Thanks for the confirmation

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[Moto X General] Jayrod1980:
I'm pretty sure it will function if the two modem related files are not flashed. Same with us all using the GB firmware sans modem files. If b4 is newer then b3 obviously won't flash over b4.

My question with all this flashing is why do people bother with rsd lite when you can do the same thing, but with more control, by mfastboot? Seems editing a script and swapping files is more complicated than just opening the XML file and reading the flash order and doing it via command line. For instance, when flashing to GB 4.4.2 all I did was open it up and flash all the partitions in order, skipping the modem files and erased cache and user data.

Not a huge chance of messing up there. That is all rsd lite is doing... Using the XML script to execute the install the same way you are doing through mfastboot commands.
[Moto X General] flashallthetime:
Some poor soles obviously don't have your common sense and flash what ever they want and don't realize what the crap they're doing until its to late. Sure I have a choice and not help out like 95 % of folks on xda but that's not me. If you find this unnecessary then fine but if this helps 1 person than its done its job

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[Moto X General] Steve-x:
I like using rsdlite to flash the entire package - not skipping any files is by far the safest way to flash the phone. If there is any kind of bootloader downgrade error it will stop instantly, no chance of a brick. Once I have flashed the entire package if I need to change the modem then I'll do that directly with fastboot.

Clearly the downgrading from 4.4 to 4.2.2ota to gain root is what has prompted this change from Motorola. There is no longer any safe downgrading to an older version(Just verified it myself).
[Moto X General] flashallthetime:
You mean 4.4.2 ?

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[Moto X General] Steve-x:
I verified there is no downgrading from 4.4.2(sorry that wasn't clear)

The change in bootloader behavior to not allow any downgrading in 4.4.2 was likely brought on by the 4.4 to 4.2.2ota downgrade used to gain root.
[Moto X General] Jayrod1980:
No way man... I'm not criticizing you at all. This thread is useful, I'm just asking why people use rsd. Seems you can hard brick easy with a locked boot loader but not with unlocked... You just can't go back to earlier bootloaders. People freak that they can't take an ota. I'm I'm the same boat... I've got the GB boot loader so no ota for me even if flash recovery back to stock. I still need the ota so that I can manually flash the partitions to have a totally clean us 4.4.2 ROM. I'm just thrilled that the us boot loader seems to be the same or newer.
[Moto X General] flashallthetime:
Some folks just don't know hiwbto use fastboot , I prefer rsdlite, safer as far I'm concerned. Moto has changed the bootloaders, modems and we don't know exactly what they have changed until 20 people open threads about their dead phones. Most folks just don't have the knowledge or language abilities. Wish people would stop this firmware flash all together.

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[Moto X General] flashallthetime:
OK, good to confirm, sorry Verizon ,AT&T consumer owners your SOL

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[Moto X General] Al936:
Excellent thread. It would be interesting to find a way to identify bootloader version before flashing. For instance I know how to find bootloader version for Motorola RAZR (XT910) using hex editor. I am trying to find any useful info where bootloader version for Moto X is located but without success yet...

I am (XT1058) on 4.4.2 Retail GB, but BL version is 30.B2 - it is because I not flashed bootloader while manually upgrading to 4.4.2. Radio is from 4.4.2 Rogers Canada
[Moto X General] flashallthetime:
Easy, just boot the bootloader screen and all the info is there. As more info is given I'll update the op.

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[Moto X General] Al936:
LOL. I wrote: to find a way to identify bootloader version before flashing
[Moto X General] flashallthetime:
Lol you will know which firmware has which boot loader through this thread, as for older firmware , if people give me the info yes, cause I'm know stuck on 4.4.2:D

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[Moto X General] da900:
It is because of the radio. Just flash back to any latin American/US GSM/Canadian GSM radio, and that is it. Tested by me.
[Moto X General] tiaoalvino:
Brazilian Retail 4.4.2 Bootloader Info: 30.B4 (sha-a452ee0, 2013-12-20 15:07:04)
[Moto X General] Dmiller2007:
I've seen a lot of info on the hardbricks caused by the OTA and flashing before hand. For users like me, what exactly will cause the hardbrick. I'm guessing that taking the 4.4 OTA on Verizon and then flashing back to 4.2.2 to gain root via the script (did not get root, just flashed back, unsuccessful in rooting and then took 4.4 OTA again) will cause the brick?
[Moto X General] flashallthetime:
You can downgrade from 4.4 to 4.2.2 post camera firmware but some folks have downgrade their system files only and kept the bootloader from 4.4.2, after they reboot they accepted the ota and bam hard brick , ota flashes without safeties with messes up the bootloader..

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[Moto X General] Dmiller2007:
533559346

Thanks a lot for the info. I just know there are a lot of lurkers on here like me that are wreckless enough to mess with these expensive toys without learning enough first. I just don't have the time to keep up anymore. So for clarification (because i'm sure others are like me) doing a full flash back to 4.2.2 and taking a 4.4.2 ota will be fine because it flashed the bootloader and system files together? I've been waiting for a thread like this to ask to make sure, i've been checking for a clear answer on this in the other 4.4.2 threads but haven't seen anything. Thanks OP
[Moto X General] flashallthetime:
As long as upgrade numerically from 4.2 - 4.4- 4.4.2 you are OK, the issue only happens when folks try to go back to older firmware, there's safeties that flashing the complete firmware packs have, that's where the problem starts, people try everything to downgrade which may by pass the safeties .

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[Moto X General] Dmiller2007:
10-4. Thanks for clearing that up for me. I hated being the noob that asked but I knew others were in the same boat as me. Appreciate it!
[Moto X General] dray_jr:
who on the sprint network got 4.4.2
[Moto X General] flashallthetime:
Post #5

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[Moto X General] da900:
[MENTION=4661942]flashallthetime[/MENTION] Just to clarify the regional compability across Moto X firmware:

1. All European ROMs work fine on XT1058 and XT1053 (Latin America (all - Brazilian, Puerto Rico etc.), but European radios cause network loss. So, just leave radio you have or flash any american (Latin or US, except Verizon) and everything should be fine. Tested on my XT1058 Puerto Rico. And, of cause, vise versa, i.e. american FW works fine on european models, except radio.

2. About CDMA models (Verizon, Sprint, US cellular etc.) I can not say anything that is different from GSM models. Should be the same.

3. If you flash any XT1058 radio to XT1053 (for example) you do not unlock additional LTE bands.

4. And, of cause, you can flash flash different firmware only if your bootloader is unlocked. If your bootloader is locked you will get a brick.

P.S. This is widely discussed in russian Moto X forums on 4pda.ru, because Moto X is not officially released in Russia and there are a lot of people ordered Moto X from different regions.
[Moto X General] flashallthetime:
Great, obviously you have tried it

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[Moto X General] da900:
Yes. Currently running Rogers 4.4.2 FW and radio on my Puerto Rico XT1058. Flashed like an hour ago via RSD.
[Moto X General] dray_jr:
dont forget to add the chart/graph about downgrading so there is no more mistakes.

4.2.2 Pre cam -------> 4.2.2 Post Cam ------> 4.4 -------> 4.4.2

_______________________ ^--------OK------^

___________________________________ ^------Brick-^

____^--------------Brick---^

the only OTA that can downgrade is 4.4 to 4.2.2 Post Cam

here is what we know right now that might make more sense

4.4 to 4.2.2 Pre Cam will Brick

4.2.2 Post Cam to 4.2.2 Pre Cam will Brick.

4.4.2 to to anything will Brick

4.4 to 4.2.2 Post Cam you are ok
[Moto X General] flashallthetime:
That's your doing, credits go to you. I do.

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[Moto X General] Steve-x:
Something to keep in mind is that if you use RSDlite and use the default Motorola xml files (with only the variable line removed) it will always give an error if what you're doing is going to potentially brick your phone.

If you have an unlocked bootloader it won't prevent you from flashing a file with an incompatible modem file though - this should always be fixable though.
[Moto X General] flashallthetime:
Always someone who wants to break the rules , we can only tell the dare devils what should not be attempted but if you have kids , you know the more you say no the more they're tempted to try it:eek::eek::eek::eek:

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[Moto X General] edthesped:
Okay, I'm still just a little confused and I want to make sure, for sure, that my understanding is correct.

I get the whole 4.4.2 to 4.4 bootloader downgrade issue and am not even sure why I would want to do this but...

Let's I'm on VZ 4.4 with developer edition phone with unlocked bootloader and custom recovery...

When 4.4.2 comes out; can I just fastboot flash NON_HLOS and the system file through custom recovery to get all of the benefits of 4.4.2 without compromising the bootloader? Then say later I want to upgrade to 4.5.x or whatever the newest flavor is and I decide I want to take the full update via OTA... To avoid bricking I would need to take the phone back to 4.4 and remove custom recovery and let the carrier updates fly? Or would there still be a risk of bricking?
[Moto X General] flashallthetime:
We are all confused, moto changes the game with every firmware package and that's where the problem and confusion starts. We have no idea if and when 4.5 comes out , if you need the lastest kitkat bootloader or not.

You can not flash the moto images through recovery, you need to use either fastboot or rsdlite.

For safety sake I would flash the entire firmware package. If you want to stay with kitkat then go ahead and update your bootloader too.

The only other recommendation I could make is flash one of the custom ROMs based on the stock moto images, eclipse ROM would work without issues while running the 4.4 boot loader and modem.

The other issue and again every firmware package is different, the modem needs to be upgraded to for setting to work with kitkat.

Bricking is happening when folks upgrade to the latest firmware and decide that their battery use has gone up, they attempt to downgrade back to 4.4 and the only way is just flashing the system and not the bootloader, this us were it gets dirty. They reboot and as soon as you reboot the accept the ota which has no safeties, it flashes every thing and because their bootloader is already updated it hard bricks the device. The gpt.bin is the partition table and that also messes up . my perfered method is not to accept any ota , no safeties. I will instead flash the sbf firmware and I always upgrade my bootloader, if I want to go back, I'll just flash an older ROM as far as I see it, its the same as flash firmware but without the threat of hard bricking. Worst case, you'll soft brick it which is easy to recover from, do that 3 times. Hope this helps

Just to add , you can flash ROMs with twrp all the way back to post camera 4.2.2 safely, you may need to flash the modem back but that will not hard brick your device. Just wish people would forget the firmware packages and realize there's roms to flash instead

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[Moto X General] edthesped:
Thanks,

It does, between answering the phone and typing this I mixed up what I meant to say. I meant push the the modem and system files via fastboot with my phone being protected by having a custom recovery installed.

.

In my, I know enough to be dangerous, mind I'm thinking pushing those two files should be enough. I guess as long as there is no fear of bricking I can try it.

At present I see no reason to avoid updated bootloaders but am thinking I might want to take preventive measures as things may change for the worse under Lenovo's tutelage. Yes I'm a little gun shy after seeing so many bricked VZ GS3's last month, fortunately I waited and never did or will take the 4.3 OTA.
[Moto X General] flashallthetime:
That should not result in a hard brick , it comes down to boot loader and partition table bricking phones. Worst cases you'll probably have to wipe your data

With Samsung , didn't they initiate the Knox boot loader on new updates?

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[Moto X General] edthesped:
Yep and it resulted in quite a few hard bricks, though an unbrick method was eventually found, but those who took the update no longer have an unlocked bootloader and are unable to downgrade, it was a real game changer for sure. I survived that one and hope to survive any similar issues with the X, hence my questions. And there is so much ambiguous information regarding the phone I'm trying hard to piece it all together so my future decisions are informed.

Thanks for your time and effort.
[Moto X General] flashallthetime:
No problem, its always better to a wait and see

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[Moto X General] edthesped:
Forgive me, I'm still trying to digest everything...

So if side loading the system file, if side loading is the proper term, will allow people with unlocked bootloaders to update phones without the risk of bricking. Why doesn't anyone seem to be doing it? I see what I believe is a lot of people flashing firmware from other carriers to get to KK when pushing the system portion of the update should get them everything they want without the risk of bricking. Or am I over simplifying this?
[Moto X General] flashallthetime:
Moto is different , you can't side load the firmware package it will fail if you have custom recovery and you have altered the system in any fashion.the easiest way to flash part of the firmware is through fastboot f you have twrp recovery, you will lose root but you can boot into recovery and it should asking you want to root again, if not just flash superuser zip.

So Knox boot loader is not a death sentence, moto boot loaders are a whole different ball game

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[Moto X General] dray_jr:
i am making some changes to my thread i am going to link people here for this info less for me to type out lol. Keep up the good work man
[Moto X General] flashallthetime:
Linked your thread already, I'll stick with the boot loader, modem and recovery stuff so there won't be duplicate info ditto:thumbup:

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[Moto X General] edthesped:
Oh, if you're interested

Bootloader version on VZ xt1060 4.4 is 30.B2
[Moto X General] flashallthetime:
So it looks like with every group of firmware ota's moto has stepped up the boot loader number in sequence

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[Moto X General] hartv427:
How would one find their Bootloader version on VZ xt1060?
[Moto X General] flashallthetime:
Put you phone in fastboot mode and all the info is there

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[Moto X General] jmcdonald58:
Same here 30.B4
[Moto X General] tom_goro:
I might have overlooked it - if so I apologize for double post

bootloader version for 4.4 KK at XT1053 (DE) is 30.B2
[Moto X General] rivas1981:
hohoho i change my moto x and my bootloader version is 30.71, can anyone tell me to what i can update safetly with rsdlite??????
[Moto X General] flashallthetime:
You really want to try again? Not to be nasty,cruel or mean or mean any kind of disrespect to you. Please this thread is for avoiding bricks and issues, not a thread to help folks mess up their phones. More info is needed, like which carrier youre on, what firmware are you on. Just pick the sbf firmware for your carrier, if its not there then wait for it to be uploaded

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[Moto X General] rivas1981:
Lol, im in stock 4.2.2 from my carrier claro chile, i want to change to movistar chile 4.2.2 because the ota 4.4.2 for this carrier was released, but the bootloader is 30.71 so i want to know if there is any bootloader problem....thats all, that version is not mentioned here, that's wy

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[Moto X General] flashallthetime:
No bootloader problem because you're upgrading but modems and radio I have no idea, just remember, you can't downgrade from 4.4.2 bootloader

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[Moto X General] rivas1981:
So no Info about date of the 30.71 versión bootloader??

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[Moto X General] flashallthetime:
No but I would assume its 4.2.2 jb , I have no idea if its pre camera or post camera firmware

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[Moto X General] rivas1981:
That's it, i try to install the 4.2.2 movistar chile and tell me the typical problem of bootloader, so, i think this is claro chile post camera update and the version of movistar 4.2.2 that i have is pre camera....so better for me whait for the official update of claro chile, if movistar chile is updating now, claro chile(the rival) will update very soon

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[Moto X General] :
Dude....you have your own thread over 20 pages long (on my app anyway ) and you're pretty much asking for the same information again. Lol

My advice. Stay on stock. Don't ever root.....and updates will be easy from here on in. :)

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[Moto X General] rivas1981:
I don't think that you read the thread from before. Cos is a data problem....i dont know wy so much trouble ....if you dont wont to help me, ignore me, the cuestion was very simple...what version of bootloader was the 30.71? That s it...i keeping my stock ...but it was a question only...

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[Moto X General] :
K....I'll shut up. Good luck with your soon to be next phone. ;)

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[Moto X General] zewone:
I could really use the stock recovery for 4.4.2. I got myself into a mess I was able to clean up, but I need this last file.
[Moto X General] mrvirginia:
[MENTION=4661942]flashallthetime[/MENTION] please add actual sbf links to the OP
[Moto X General] zewone:
Quick question.

I upgraded to 4.4.2, was going through the process of some modding and messed something up.

I was able to recover from a back up, but it was for 4.4.

I'm back on 4.4 with the annoying warning to update phone. I can't update without the stock recovery.

Since I already have the 30.B4 bootloader, will this brick my device by trying to upgrade again, even if I flash everything back to stock?
[Moto X General] mrvirginia:
if i could get just ONE person to work with me, i could get everything i need from the users. currently trying to get 4.4 stock recovery for XT1053. then i can get more users on stock 4.4.2 so i can then grab THAT stock recovery

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i have no idea, mate. supposedly you should've bricked since you have 4.4.2 bootloader and went back to 4.4. that's what i've understood anyway. if you are on 4.4.2 bootloader and upgrade to 4.4.2 software, according to OP, it should cause a brick.

edit: also give me a sec. i'm downloading 4.4 sbf. i haven't taken a look into an sbf so i'm hoping a full recovery is in it. at 526mb, should be
[Moto X General] zewone:
Here's a link to the stock recovery for 4.4 from XT1053: https://www.dropbox.com/s/5p5v2jgephwplk6/recovery.img
[Moto X General] mrvirginia:
i have the sbf now as well. thank you

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[MENTION=2676421]zewone[/MENTION] install this https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.cgollner.flashify

now flash the stock recovery
[Moto X General] zewone:
I flashed the stock 4.4.2 recovery and tried to update.

It gave me an error and failed, but at least it didn't brick my device.

It's amazing to me that there isn't a stock 4.4.2 XT1053 ROM for customer recoveries or that Motorola hasn't released the 4.4.2 SBF for XT1503.

My phone is going to be running terribly until one of these two things happens.
[Moto X General] mrvirginia:
you need to flash the stock 4.4 recovery, then try to update.

the SBF isn't out yet because it's fairly new. didn't it just come out yesterday?
[Moto X General] :
Guys.. as far as I know...if you have 4.4.2 boot loader...yes, you can go back to an older version. BUT....if you take an ota after that....then you will brick.

So I would not take an ota if you flashed an older version. You need to wait til there's files to manually update.

I don't get why its confusing. ;)

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[Moto X General] flashallthetime:
Yes you can go back BUT only by flashing the system IMG. Now here's the part you must be aware of IF YOU TAKE THE OTA ,WHICH WILL POPS ITS HEAD UP WHEN RUNNING 4.4 AND YOU HAVE ALREADY FLASHED THE NEW FIRMWARE OR ACCEPTED THE OTA THEN YOU WILL END UP WITH A HARD BRICKED DEVICE

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[Moto X General] zewone:
It worked!! Thank you for the great advice. I'm on 4.4.2 after my crazy situation.

I think it all depends on circumstances. I was able to do it, but it wasn't easy.
[Moto X General] mrvirginia:
thank you for confirming that it worked. maybe i should make a HOW-To thread...
[Moto X General] :
I don't know why so many jumped on whatever they could flash first in the first place. 4.4.2 won't blow anyone's mind....and now its mass hysteria trying to get their phones update. LOL

:)

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[Moto X General] flashallthetime:
Always been this way, its always better to wait before you flash any updates, just some folks ,like you said , have no patience. Look at all those idiots with iPhones, they stand in line for what?

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