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[Moto X General] Jayrod1980:
Boohoo comrade. Except that capitalism is solely responsible for the huge WORLDWIDE increase of living standards since WW2. All American labor for all business is not a good thing for us. The key is being competitive while having jobs that can sustain the US standard of living. Look at Germany for a good model to emulate. We aren't there because schools tell people it's OK for EVERYONE to go for a useless liberal arts degree rather than coach people into professions and education that will provide jobs with some satisfaction, the means to support oneself, and are in demand.

For all the crying about American workers, we have a skilled labor crisis brewing right now. The average skilled laborer (machinist, plumber, etc.) Is over 50 years old. Most long term skilled labor makes more than your average service sector worker, some almost as much as engineers. It's the mindset taught in schools that the pinnacle of society is to be a white collar service sector employee that's killed our ability to replace retiring skilled labor.

In a country like Germany, with a very high standard of living, business, government, and academia got together after the fall of the Berlin wall to figure the best way forward. They settled on a good mix of service based and high tech manufacturing for their economy was optimal. They have two paths from secondary school that kids can go down, either trades or white collar, and actually teach, train, and apprentice them into those trades. How many high schools here even have shop or auto classes anymore?

Also, before I end my rant, I hope you weren't referring to american jobs like fast food etc. Those were never meant to be careers. Unless you want to spend $50 on a McDonald's hamburger, demand is what sets wages.
[Moto X General] alpha-niner64:
I do hope that Lenovo will see the potential in the Moto X such that they won't buck under the spec-wars race. I imagine a good chunk of us bought our phones because we know that specs =/= software experience.
[Moto X General] Jayrod1980:
When the phone came out though it did have high end specs where it mattered. It has krait 300 cores, 2gb ddr2 ram, and the top adreno GPU of its time at release. They also put a nice loud speaker etc. I don't even think there was a 1080p rgb amoled screen available at any price in this form factor when they designed it.

What will help Motorola now with lenovo is hopefully speeding up their release schedules. They take almost as long as Sony to release a product. Which has to change. This phone should have been out the same time as the One and the S4, not August. I think had that happened, it would have been a much bigger success.
[Moto X General] agustincards14:
Exactly mate thank you for some optimism! I actually was about to order the Moto X custom 32GB ebony back when I went online, did some research and found this out. I was stumped cuz I knew fast updates weren't gona happen. But you know what, the phone is one of a kind, in a world where every phone competes for the latest specs this one stands out. I bought it for $130 on a 2 yr upgrade with VZW and it is on 4.4 Kit Kat which is optimized to work on older generation devices (simpler). I'll take my chances and adopt the Moto X. Only the good die young.
[Moto X General] eksasol:
This is the most ridiculous thing I ever heard. I have bought 5 Lenovo laptop, there are no spywares. I would be more concerned using an Apple phone which is fully closed source or Verizon phone which is no doubt a partner of NSA.

Just because Motorola have a new owner doesn't mean stock Android cease to exist. In fact, Google asked Samsung to tone down their customization. I guarantee the next Motorola phone will use stock Android and doesn't come with Chinese spywares.

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[Moto X General] :
This post is hilarious.

A+ satire. Would read again.:good:
[Moto X General] agustincards14:
Lol, dude Moto X is running 4.4 Kit Kat which is optimized to run on lower-end/older devices, with NO BLOATWARE. The system apps it does have are USEFUL. The ergonomics of this device are revolutionary. The UI is one of the smoothest. It resembles the Nexus, no need to root it anytime soon as it ships with 4.4. Samsung nor LG have pushed 4.4 to all of it's phones yet, but they dont SHIP with it. Take advantage of the fact that this is a one of a kind phone that said "fck the specs race". Customize it and keep it.
[Moto X General] Indignao:
Amén!
[Moto X General] Nckrk123:
Explained https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KBXTLLFgDeo&feature=youtube_gdata_player
[Moto X General] someguyatx:
I have to wonder if Samsung has access to Google patents now will Galaxy S5 have active notifications?

Random thoughts during the Superbowl
[Moto X General] blackhand1001:
There is definitely something sketchy about this whole situation. Google bought nest for 3.2 billion dollars about a month ago and is selling motorola for less than that. That just doesn't seem like a fair market value for the company.
[Moto X General] matt87n:
wouldnt be surprised if they set the bar for holding onto Motorola really really high, implicitly knowing they mostly wanted the patents, and hey if handsets ended up selling rlly well then theyd prolly keep it. truth is moto x's werent selling like hot cakes and google prolly didnt want to push away other manufactures.
[Moto X General] bleach168:
FYI, Lenovo stock dropped 11% on the news of the Motorola deal. They are under a lot of scrutiny and if Motorola continues to bleed $300m a quarter next year, expect drastic changes. Unfortunately, I think fear of the takeover by Lenovo will push customers away from Motorola in 2014.

Still, the Moto X should be safe.
[Moto X General] Julianocas:
I prefer this one:

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[Moto X General] freeintruth:
Agreed. Lots of folks here mixed up phones with ideology and emotions.
[Moto X General] brian Marshall:
Yet if you understand anything about marketing you'd understand that those are two tools of the trade. Building an emotional connection to a product (or even better, a brand) is what marketing is all about.

Why else would Lenovo buy a brand name? If it were all bullet points why does the brand matter?

Do you think the moto X is special? Personally I do. Perhaps special is not quite the right word, but I liked the direction the Moto X was going in. I felt like it was the beginning of something that could really improve the android experience. I wanted to support it, so I bought one.

Moto is currently losing hundreds of millions of dollars. Will Lenovo continue this design ethos? I don't know the answer, but from a short term bean counter perspective I could totally understand if they simply went the more traditional spec war/kitchen sink crapware route like Samsung and HTC.

That said some of you guys criticizing anyone with reservations about the merger are turning "well this bums me out" in to "ZOMG THE SKY IS FALLING" Very few people have shown that kind of emotion.
[Moto X General] :
Honestly ....we're all looking at this as phone hobbyists ....who's number one concern is updates and ui changes ....but really I don't think the average consumer cares or even knows who owns Motorola. And the average consumer doesn't keep track of or care about updates. They just pick up their phone one day....see there's an update....click OK...are annoyed by how long it takes...phone reboots and its business as usual for them. Most non rooters I know couldn't even tell me what their android version is called or the number. (I.e. 4.4.2...4.1.2 etc) LOL

To the vast majority Motorola is Motorola. Most don't even know Google owned them, what kit kat is(besides a candy bar), what rooting is, what a nexus is or what a custom rom is.

What I'm saying is that aside from us extremely small percentage of customers on xda and sites like it , no one else cares who owns Motorola. It'll be business as usual at Motorola...... and business has been bad. The new guys will either turn things around....or the Motorola name will be in the past.

And neither of those options will affect the Moto x. We'll be all done with official updates before anything changes.

Sent from my Moto X cellular telephone...
[Moto X General] Gov.Robbed:
+1:thumbup:
[Moto X General] varxx:
Not such horrible news ...

While this news is unsettling, I haven't been disappointed with my two Lenovo laptops. I owned only IBM Thinkpads for 15 years, then continued with Lenovo Thinkpads because of good things I read about Thinkpad development team members continuing on under Lenovo (the machines were already being built in China even under IBM). I've been equally satisfied with my Lenovo-branded laptops, and, on the one occasion when I had to make a claim under the warranty, everything went great (technician came to house, swapped out motherboard, no charge).

It looks as if Google was mainly wanting Moto's patents. Lenovo will do a decent job on the hardware side, I feel confident. They'll probably tweak and bloat Android on their phones, but what's new? You can always go pure Android if your phone is unlocked and rooted, right?
[Moto X General] flashallthetime:
Everyone remember when Apple sued Samsung and won? Google bought Motorola around the same time, it was only for Motorola's patents, protection against apple further actions against Google themselves, moto has almost every patent associated with cell technology, it was never a hardware purchase rather a patent purchase

Sent on my Gummy running Lenoto X
[Moto X General] edthesped:
It looks like Sony is getting out of the Personal Computer business and will focus on tablets and smart phones instead. Maybe Lenovo is thinking along similar lines??

http://www.thecourier.co.uk/business/news/sony-axes-loss-making-pc-business-1.207181
[Moto X General] kirdroid:
Sure after 6, 12 months. We are talking about fast updates like It's happening currently. What's Lenevo's current track record in their Android phones. Do they even release any phones on kitkat?
[Moto X General] danger2u:
i think google buys Motorola

make some best deals,raised up a little the company and now they sell it to Lenovo

this will not be anymore Made in USA

maybe Lenovo are good and they will make a good X2 phone with high specs and other customization

maybe they fall down.

this will see

for sure the quickk updates for Android will not be available so soon
[Moto X General] kirdroid:
There is another rumor that Nexus line will be discontinued from next year as well.
[Moto X General] YankInDaSouth:
Damn, guess I'll be returning that Moto X I just ordered and don't even have yet ... :(

Note 3 .... that is all!!
[Moto X General] flashallthetime:
They just pulled the plug on the 4.4.2 updates:eek::eek::eek::):):):)

Sent on my official lenoto x

Sent on my Moto X
[Moto X General] kobester:
Well I just got side slapped by this. Maybe that is the reason for the recent 4.4.2 leaks on carriers. I can see it being just Verizon. But not Verizon, Sprint, and US cellular.

Sent from my Moto x
[Moto X General] MaKTaiL:
That explains why 4.4.2 bootloader can't be downgraded like 4.2.2 post-camera and 4.4.

Motorola is already starting to go back to its roots. Just when I was so happy. :(
[Moto X General] brian Marshall:
I'm super disappointed. I bought a Moto X because I thought we'd have a commitment from Google.

I actually feel kind of ripped off.

I don't care that Lenovo makes "quality products" or whatever. They have no reason to really care about this phone anymore. They don't have any reason to care about Android (other than using it as a platform) They certainly won't have any reason to care about made in the USA.

They are probably buying a brand name. They already make phones, but can't sell them outside china. Will they simply slap the moto name on them? I wonder if they'll keep any of their US operations and talent together.
[Moto X General] kirdroid:
Well all those will be part of the deal. They have to keep US jobs, centers and operations. Otherwise there is zero chance of this getting regulatory approval in the USA.
[Moto X General] dpwhitty11:
http://nooooooooooooooo.com/
[Moto X General] robstunner:
I think in all fairness we are mostly overreacting. Motorola could still be motorola. Also, Do you think a huge acquisition like this would completely dismantle motorola in a week? Odds are, Moto will be business as usual until the Moto X is well into its life cycle (at the very least). That would be a huge shocker if tomorrow Motorola closes shop, it wont.
[Moto X General] Kittiesoncrack:
Im so disappointed, I bought this phone because it was a "google company" phone. I have had expeirence with Lenovo customer service and they are terrible. literally terrible.
[Moto X General] Restola:
Nothing is going to change overnight (it will be months or longer).

4.4.2 is coming. We haven't been passed over on 4.5 (or 5.0, whatever) yet.

If we get screwed, it's a $299 phone. Sell it next winter and buy the nexus 6 if the X doesn't get updated again (which is really the worst thing we could expect to happen to our current phones).
[Moto X General] kirdroid:
Yeah I also think Moto will be left as is, but will Lenevo have the final say in software? They would eventually want to unify the software on Moto and Lenevo devices. And I highly doubt lenevo prefers stock UI especially in China. I'm more worried about all the cool stuff Motorola is doing software wise and if lenevo screws it up by rolling into a skin instead of putting apps in play store that lets Moto to push faster updates.

Either way this all will take time.
[Moto X General] vikramkhalsa:
+1

Guess it'll be back to nexus after i'm done with the X!
[Moto X General] Restola:
My VZW contract expires in September. That's already my plan when I switch to straight talk.
[Moto X General] Garuxa:
One word: FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU

:eek::eek::eek::eek::eek:

Hopefully Google is to continue giving the support phones "Moto X" and "Moto G" as many people (including me) and acquired by reason "Motorola Google was a company". But I think this will be very difficult to happens :mad:

Cheers!
[Moto X General] :
First Nexus discontinued rumor now this. Sounds like if you want a hardware and software manufactured togather it will be on to the iPhone. Hate that.
[Moto X General] kirdroid:
Or Google is up to something really crazy.. Not out of their reach.
[Moto X General] mpetruzz:
Man this I some crazy overreaction!!!! The deal just got announced and your going to return your phone, seriously!! I must have missed the part where they are going to revert my phone to an older version of android and where they formally announced that they are no longer going to update the moto x.

If you bought the phone because you like it why the hell return it! Even if things change down the road, you still have a sweet ass phone with 4.4 that can be rooted.

I don't see how worrying about what they might do to future phones affects the moto x!!!
[Moto X General] brian Marshall:
Overreacting?

For me personally I specifically bought the moto x (along with a 2 year commitment) because Google was behind the brand and the phone.

It was really the only attraction it had over any other Android out there.

Lenovo is going to come in and put their personality on things. That's what companies do after these kind of buyouts. What happened to Moto's phones prior to the google buy out? They washed their hands of them. My wife's Atrix is still on gingerbread. It never even got ICS. It wasn't developed under google's watch.

Now I'm looking at my Moto X and thinking I'll seriously need to lower my expectations. Maybe I'll be pleasantly suprised... Maybe.

My Moto X has a locked bootloader (at&t.) I didn't consider this an issue with google in control of moto. Now I'm afraid I'll need to depend on whatever scraps Lenovo chooses to send us (if any)
[Moto X General] Neogx:
damn and i was just about to buy the moto x today now.. im not too sure and may be should just slide over to the nexus 5
[Moto X General] Bizdady:
Wonder what impact this will have on the Moto line of phones. I still dont have my Moto X but I am literally a week or so from buying it (waiting for some things to clear up).
[Moto X General] h1ghland3r:
Buy the N5.

Sent from my Lenovo X
[Moto X General] :
You guys are funny. ;)

They're buying a legendary phone maker....I doubt very seriously they will change anything at all...it will be business as usual. In fact...they will probably try hard to pull Motorola higher into the market. The moto x is they're flagship phone, yet it trails the pack in sales...even with Google having big sales on it every 2 months. LOL

I think the new guys would need to be incompetent bafoons to mess this up. My bet is you'll see bigger things from Motorola after the sale. ASIDE from quick updates, Google didn't do anything great with Motorola. The new guys will try to take Motorola to the top of the food chain....where it should be.

Yes, updates will probably come slower....but it won't be any worse than any other non Nexus phones.

Wait and see....they're buying the oldest phone maker, with a reputation for quality....I doubt they are gonna run it into the ground. I think they'll try to compete with the top phone dogs....something that hasn't been attempted in awhile, especially by Google. Google has been trying to give them away....instead of competing with the leaders with the Motorola name.

I suppose if updates are your big concern, as it seems it is, you should have...or should next....buy a Nexus. ;)
[Moto X General] Neogx:
LOL love your " Sent from my Lenovo X"
[Moto X General] brian Marshall:
It's a $299 phone NOW. Many of us paid more than that and others committed to this phone on two year contracts though.

I honestly don't consider another other androids but nexus an option. Samsung, LG, HTC, all load with bloat. They promise 18 months of support, but that's only if you buy it the day it comes out... and even then they don't always keep promises.

Honestly though, there is one worse thing that not being updated... being given really crappy updates that don't work to a phone the new owners likely won't see as "theirs"
[Moto X General] :
Either way, what's the worst that can happen to us? This is still a great device now isn't it?

Just needs a ROM with CM11 theme support with Moto Apps
[Moto X General] sicmadek:
if lenovo changes it and it doesnt sell then google or someone else will just buy motorola for cheaper than what lenovo paid. that might be a plan of googles anyway. if the price is high and they screw up the phone then it wont sell.
[Moto X General] rupterr:
I don't care. I have a phone that works great "as is" right now.
[Moto X General] h1ghland3r:
"Ok LENOVO Now"

Sent from my Lenovo X
[Moto X General] TiltedAz:
Terrible news. Hope the Chinese don't spy anymore than Google.

I almost bought a moto x. Whew!
[Moto X General] Steve-x:
Lenovo has actually done a reasonable job of maintaining the ThinkPad line of laptops after buying it from IBM. However I've never been excited to buy one after Lenovo owned it.

Had Motorola cellphones for 20 years, had to give up 3 years ago on Motorola and bought an iPhone. I was so excited to see what Motorola was able to do under Googles ownership. The Moto X was engineered to an amazing standard, it was totally let down by marketing. Fan of Motorola or not I have no interest in seeing a boot up screen that says "Motorola, a Lenovo company"

It seems clear Google does not want to be in the hardware game, perhaps it was too threatening to companies like Samsung etc.
[Moto X General] flashallthetime:
Trust me this will change what Google has done to this point with Motorola (lenoto) Google has deep pockets so profit is not expected from moto until the business was built up, moto x was the first step, now lenovo can not nor will expect anything but profit , they will streamline every aspect, ROM support will not be as revolutionary as it has been to this point, moto is just going to be like another cell manufacture with OK products but nothing as cutting edge as the moto is or was

Sent on my Lenoto X
[Moto X General] blackhand1001:
I would try it out first. Touchwiz on the Note 3 is awful.
[Moto X General] YankInDaSouth:
Yeah, I think I overreacted ... Just disappointed with the news as I was excited to get back on board with Moto and their new direction under Google.

The x (hopefully) won't be affected by this transition for sometime

Note 3 .... that is all!!
[Moto X General] TiltedAz:
Motorola wasn't Google's finest hour. Google apparently paid way too much for it, it lost money the entire time ($1.5-$2B), and sold it for an overall loss of about $5.5B. Looks like they almost lost half of their money.

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It could be worse, you could be working more Motorola. :eek:
[Moto X General] ncvikingx97:
I thought I bought a Google phone. Guess not
[Moto X General] :
That's nexus....you bought a Motorola. ;)
[Moto X General] mxc42:
Lol. "Ok lenovo now - self destruct"

-Sent from my Lenoto X
[Moto X General] Wade-0:
Hate to burst your bubble, but 18 months of support is all you get with a Nexus too.

https://support.google.com/nexus/answer/3468085
[Moto X General] Solutions Etcetera:
Google seriously overpaid for Motorola as they had something they wanted very badly... do you really think it was their smartphone business (which has been leaking red ink for years). And correct me if I'm wrong, but I have never seen any hard and fast proof Google was responsible for the design of the Moto X. I think that is just an assumption that everyone (press included) came to. If anything, Google denied any involvement in day to day business.

If you're not Apple or Samsung... the smartphone business is seriously hurting right now. Google wants Android to survive for all phone makers so they can continue to capture our data for advertising purposes; they don't want to be in the smart phone business as a single brand.

I still think Moto X is the better phone, all things considered. I don't see anything changing that throughout its life span.
[Moto X General] dandroid13:
I guess the Samsung Google deal and the recent reports that big G asked Sammy to stop putting their software on their phones might have some relation to this deal.
[Moto X General] Julianocas:
I have this same tickle in my mind.
[Moto X General] brian Marshall:
Yes, but you actually get 18 months of support. Most companies have.... mixed histories on actually coming through on promises.
[Moto X General] flashallthetime:
Google bought moto fornone reason patents, google was covering their butz from apple and lawsuits from crapple, now after yesterday's 25% decrease in crapple sales , the writing is on the wall for crapple ending up to be the lastestvNokia and blackberry has beenz

Sent on my Lenoto X
[Moto X General] :
That's what our glorious dev community is for. ;)

The s2 has 4.4.2...before we did. LOL. Unofficially of course.

Thanks devs. :)

Sent from my Moto X cellular telephone...
[Moto X General] brian Marshall:
crapple? really? what are you twelve?

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and again.... ATT= locked bootloader.

Also i've been down that road before with other phones. I bought the X hoping i would not need ROMs.
[Moto X General] :
You always need roms ....eventually. if you plan to keep your phone awhile. And if you buy a new phone every year....then this news should be irrelevant. :l

Sent from my Moto X cellular telephone...
[Moto X General] zaab:
My first post, hello XDA community :)

So the price of patents that Google keeps equals to approx $9.5 Billion. Wow, they really valued high cost of patent disputes and a chance to leverage their position in case of other companies' lawsuits.
[Moto X General] Solutions Etcetera:
Yup. And Android isn't a pet project or hobby anymore; it's big business. Watch, as more and more of it gets locked up. Google wants its software and services on every OEM's phones (even Apple's).

Google was never going to invest in Moto to make it the flagship Android brand. That would be counterproductive.