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[Android Apps and Games] sensati13:
For privacy advocates looking for alternatives

For those of you who value privacy and are interested in taking steps to help ensure your digital privacy, here is a list of existing alternatives - all open source, all standards based.

https://prism-break.org

DISCLAIMER: normally i wouldn't "troll" a thread, but this thread seems to be attracting people who care about privacy and are looking for viable alternatives to the questionable cloud based security solutions out there. Also, the people who made this app shouldn't mind if they are who they say they are. =)

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[Android Apps and Games] cubewalker:
Comparing with Whatsapp, Kakaotalk, Line, Wechat, Cubie Messenger, Fb Messenger, Skype, etc your difference is the most secure one?
[Android Apps and Games] toxic-hero:
the post you've found is beautifully written! as a cryptography noob i'd belive it without doubt...

...but...

(there's always a "but") ;)

out of curiosity i follow many software privacy/security oriented debates and therefore i know that moxie marlinspike is a renowned name in modern cryptography while pavel durov is not a cryptography name at all. you don't have to trust me, as i am nobody, but you can search the web and you can find many interesting readings. for the same reason i know that among the “experts” mantioned in the blog post there are quite a number of experts without quotes. and they're all critical about telegram.

also, here's a post about cracking contests written by a security guru bruce schneier:

https://www.schneier.com/crypto-gram-9812.html#1

also from the same author:

https://www.schneier.com/crypto-gram-9902.html#snakeoil

after all i've read your "no one has broken it yet: stop ranting, brake it" suggestion don't count in this very case.
[Android Apps and Games] pjilka:
Now is your chance to capture the market while Facebook turn WhatsApp to **** by integrating it to Facebook or something
[Android Apps and Games] Thomas_BA:
Well i also think so...anyway i hope FB leaves it as it is or makes it securer, whatever this could mean. Lets see and wate.
[Android Apps and Games] sabret00the:
Seems a little sluggish (CyanogenMod 11/4.4.2 Nightlies) but overall it provides the same functionality as WhatsApp. I'd like to see this app really push the boundaries. A drawer for open chats would be good for easily switching between chats and also use of the Android emoji would be nice as opposed to what is for all intents and purposes the WhatsApp & iPhone emoji.
[Android Apps and Games] MementoMoriM:
After the company's Facebook whatsapp me here you're gonna have jajaj

Enviado desde la muerte a través de un Nexus4
[Android Apps and Games] Ba7rani123:
FB is clearly on the NSA side.... So I think nobody should trust FB
[Android Apps and Games] The_0ne:
I don't thinks thats WhatsApp gets any better. It's more likly to get worse.

So it's a good time to switch to Telegram. :good:
[Android Apps and Games] Zenety:
As above members have already stated. Facebook has now bought Whatsapp for 16 billion dollars. Which is an absurd amount of money.

For extra information on the subject:

http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/02/19/us-whatsapp-facebook-idUSBREA1I26B20140219

http://newsroom.fb.com/News/805/Facebook-to-Acquire-WhatsApp

http://blog.whatsapp.com/index.php/2014/02/facebook/

More reason to choose Telegram and to quit using Whatsapp. I have already convinced most of my friends to start using Telegram. I haven't found any bug or problem in Telegram yet.
[Android Apps and Games] Vit5000:
Good time to switch to another messenger. Telegram just looks fine.
[Android Apps and Games] bvt-1:
First:

Thanks for your App .... !!!!!!

Whats the difference between Telegram and Telegram S Beta?
[Android Apps and Games] Ba7rani123:
You can find more info about that in their FAQ

Before the Official app there were two beta versions competing to become the official app.
[Android Apps and Games] sabret00the:
One of the things that people constantly complain about with WhatsApp is the privacy issue regarding the "last online" can you turn that off with Telegram?
[Android Apps and Games] Charmacas:
It is considered to get implemented. :)
[Android Apps and Games] GoofyBaars:
In the last beta of whatsapp you can turn that off.

Verstuurd vanaf mijn GT-I9100 met Tapatalk
[Android Apps and Games] Zenety:
Thank Telegram LLC, it's not mine :).

Telegram S Beta has theme's as an extra. For example a Whatsapp look a like.

Not yet, if the demand for it is high enough it will probably get implemented.

Which is in my opinion pretty stupid. It can come in pretty handy if you are capable of knowing if someone has been online. Probably everyone who can find this feature will turn it off because they don't want people to know if they have been online. Only thing positive is more privacy for your friends.
[Android Apps and Games] sabret00the:
Well being that the biggest selling point of Telegram is the privacy, I'm not sure it's a bad thing.
[Android Apps and Games] Zenety:
Biggest selling at the moment is probably that people don't want to get stuck with Facebook. Would have rather seen Google buy Whatsapp honestly.

But yeah, just saw this tweet from Telegram: https://twitter.com/telegram/statuses/436860790277439488

And they got 500.000 users in one day! Pretty exciting news.

https://twitter.com/telegram/statuses/436648220392161280
[Android Apps and Games] fl4m3y:
Pretty nice app! Thanks for sharing ;) The best feature I like is the possibility to send any file!

The one thing which is missing.... The copy and paste function but this should be fixed soon

Well done

Gesendet von meinem XT1032 mit Tapatalk
[Android Apps and Games] OlMightyG:
There is a huge movment in germany right now. But a lot of germans dont use Telegram because its english. Is it possible to contcact the developers to help translate?

At the moment a lot of people go to threema. But I prefer Telegram because its open source.

And there are some features to add... but i think it will be a great app.
[Android Apps and Games] tsch:
Own homebrew encryption: fail
[Android Apps and Games] toxic-hero:
i suggest people stick to threema. better a good closed source app than open source app with fake security.
[Android Apps and Games] Ba7rani123:
Threema is really good but its a commercial product...

Open source is better ;)
[Android Apps and Games] Vit5000:
And it's not only open source, it also offers APIs so that everyone can develop their own client, e.g. desktop applications.
[Android Apps and Games] James Randi:
Telegram is not secure. I like it and use it but you should not think it is the perfect answer to safety concerns. If people change from whatsapp to telegram, that's good. If people change from whatsapp to Threema, that's perfect!
[Android Apps and Games] sabret00the:
Threema is just WhatsApp reinvented. Telegram is phone number based which makes it seamless. If there's an issue with the encryption of Telegram, then raise it with the developers.
[Android Apps and Games] OlMightyG:
And it is ultra-comfy to use the webclient on a notebook or a tablet. If i switch to threema, it will be the same waiting for an application to use it on a pc/tablet.... even television. possible with telegram. You even can send files from the PC via Telegram.
[Android Apps and Games] MementoMoriM:
I'm campaigning for my contacts migrate Telegram. But in Spain it is difficult jajaj. To my whatsapp is not at all certain, so is the choice Telegram.

Enviado desde la muerte a través de un Nexus4
[Android Apps and Games] Scarface1991:
Looks great, however only one friend from my contact list uses it. I will try and convince most of my friends to start using this App.
[Android Apps and Games] Vit5000:
Yeah, the desktop client is really convenient and easy to use. Some of my friends and family already migrated from whatsapp.

Funny, little exodus ....
[Android Apps and Games] Ba7rani123:
Thats weird :p

Which country are you in ?

I am in Bahrain, middle-east its starting to spread
[Android Apps and Games] markyosullivan:
Pretty amazing how a lot of users have went from WhatsApp to Telegram since Facebook bought WhatsApp
[Android Apps and Games] william84:
https://mobile.twitter.com/telegram/status/437313902058426368?screen_name=telegram
[Android Apps and Games] Vit5000:
No wonder with the whatsapp outage right now...
[Android Apps and Games] Zenety:
According to some people I saw on twitter, Whatsapp is getting DDoSed right now.

Telegram has connection issues due to the amount of people registering. As for 100+ registration per second the SMS server can't handle it.
[Android Apps and Games] sabret00the:
I read something that worries me. Unlike WhatsApp, Telegram keeps a copy of our conversations stored on their servers without a way to opt out? Is that how they're financing this app?
[Android Apps and Games] Aadilnz:
Use secret chat, and they're encrypted anyway
[Android Apps and Games] ermacwins:
So in there FAQ it says you can use on tablet, is this referring to sim enabled tablets? Can't think another way of getting it on a tablet except by titanium backup
[Android Apps and Games] Thomas_BA:
In my humbled opinion as always there is a lot of discussion because of Whatsapp and Face, before that it was Instagram and Face...at the end everybody still using Instagram and so everybody will still go on using Whatsapp. ;)
[Android Apps and Games] sabret00the:
I don't want to. I want to keep all my chats, I don't understand why Telegram would want to keep a copy. Not even WhatsApp do that and this is meant to be more secure. There's no such thing as privacy or security is the service creates an exploit by storing copies of our messages. You should be able to opt out of that. In fact if it's a question of synching messages between devices, it should be peer-to-peer. Not piggy in the middle via their servers.
[Android Apps and Games] sensati13:
For the record I don't. Just sayin...

XMPP and SIP to the rescue! Yaaay! Open source standards for everyone! ...wait, where did everyone go? lol, oh well. There's a reason there's only 1%. =)
[Android Apps and Games] Douye:
Telegram is more secured as in the encryption used is supposed to be better than the one whatsapp uses, but, and this one is huge for me, the encryption is done between you and the server and the encryption used isn't as great and is already known to have leaks but they use a double encryption of some sorts which according to them is safe. If you want the encryption from person to person you would have to use the secret chat option. But using the secret chat option will disable the possibility of having the same conversation on multiple devices which is one of the best features of Telegram. So overall it looks better than whatsapp, but only marginally so. I personally would prefer for a paid service that I know will be safe and is use able on multiple devices, but so far that seems impossible as most people prefer the free route by paying with their privacy.
[Android Apps and Games] Aadilnz:
You don't have to use the self-destruct feature if you use secret chats. That's not an exploit, it's an advertised feature. P2P is not ideal at all for this.
[Android Apps and Games] _artem_:
Those concerning of whatsapp last seen, latest beta 169 has an option to disable last seen, it's in settings, account, privacy

About those complaining about fb bought wa.

It's funny because tg is made by Nikolai Durov, he got the money for development from his brother Pavel, who is "founder" of vkontakte Russian Facebook clone.

So fb -> wa as vk -> tg, where fb = vk and wa = tg. It's a trap dudes. You are now spied either by US Facebook or by RU Facebook :D
[Android Apps and Games] ayoubij:
1. We need a feature that if the other contact took a screenshot, it notifies us that a screenshot has been taken like in snapchat.

2. Make it swiping to right in main page takes you to the all contacts.

Thanks
[Android Apps and Games] Vit5000:
With the difference that the Russian guys are more aware of privacy issues and support pro-privacy groups and pro-citizenrights groups with money.
[Android Apps and Games] sabret00the:
Why is P2P not ideal for synching chat history?

---------- Post added at 08:28 AM ---------- Previous post was at 08:24 AM ----------

If they were that concerned, they'd transparently monetize the project and wouldn't keep a copy of our chat transcripts.
[Android Apps and Games] Vit5000:
The encrypted copy is on the servers so that you can have a sync with different devices, e.g. the desktop application.

You can for sure use the "secret chat" option, where stuff isn't kept on the server.

Read their faq before complaining.
[Android Apps and Games] sabret00the:
I've read the FAQ, now read my posts. I'm saying that I disagree with their method of transcription distribution. I'm saying that the transcription distribution could be done P2P on demand.

If I only have a single device connected to the server, why would I need my transcripts stored remotely? If I had two, it'd be certainly cheaper for them if they didn't have the bandwidth costs of transcription synchronisation.

I've read the counter arguments and they're illogical. In this day and age, a remote copy is something I should opt-in to and usually have to pay for. That's the very business model of Dropbox for example.

It's also alarming that opting out of that service means that I myself don't get to keep a copy of my chat.

While they may have better encryption for chats, it saddens me to say that the WhatsApp method is better. They state in their fact that no messages are stored on their servers beyond delivery and that undelivered messages are deleted after 30 days. In that case there's only two points of failure; my end and the recipient's end. To exploit it you need to physically get ahold of a device.

Now please can you explain why, at a maximum, the server needs more than, account ID (phone number), device IDs and authentication keys given that at least one of these devices is likely to always be on, why can't the server perform the security check and allow the devices to synchronise directly?
[Android Apps and Games] ayoubij:
Why some people im getting only their number not their names even though i have them as a contact?
[Android Apps and Games] Aadilnz:
Can you please explain this? I thought you meant that secret chats self destruct, but I'm guessing you mean something else?
[Android Apps and Games] _artem_:
Why are people so sure that whatsapp deletes messages as soon as they are delivered? If the contact doesn't login for a month, messages are all the time on wa server, and I'm pretty sure they keep them even when recipient has read them.

Fb bought wa couple of days ago, and yesterday wa stopped working, I'm pretty sure fb modified wa server to direct forward all the messages to NSA that's why the downtime over 5 hours
[Android Apps and Games] sabret00the:
If you have a secret chat, there's no local chat history. So you can't ever go back to a conversation. However if you have a normal chat, your conversation is stored on the Telegram servers. Basically I'm saying that like WhatsApp, Telegram shouldn't retain conversation transcripts.
[Android Apps and Games] _artem_:
As soon as I move most of my contacts to telegram I gonna delete my wa account. Pity that I bought one year subscription mid December
[Android Apps and Games] Hesediel:
No when you install the app in a different device it send this code to your phone for activation.

The multidevice for me is the most important feature, and one of the most lackness of whatsapp. When my contacts will complete the installation I will not truth whatsapp
[Android Apps and Games] ayoubij:
Some of my contacts that have telegram are not showing on my contact list. Its not only me, many of my friends have the same problem and the worse thing that you will never know except if you show up in their list and they talk to you, and it will show up as an unknown number even though i have them as contacts. Please fix this, no wonder it seems like i have very few contacts.
[Android Apps and Games] encik_racun:
Support GCM? ( google cloud msg)

Sent from my Lenovo P780_8G_ROW_S123
[Android Apps and Games] Zenety:
Multidevice is indeed amazing. You can have Telegram open on your tablet/phone and PC at the same time and Telegram doesn't care. Big plus for me.

It could be a good feature, but both contacts should agree with this option once you enable it or start chatting with them. When forwarding messages you can also already see who send it before that.

I think indeed sim enabled tablets. You can also install Telegram, let it send the code to your phone and fill in the code yourself. You can use telegram with the same number on all of your devices.

Update:

4,95 million people signed up for Telegram today. There will be a 2 hour downtime today since they are adding servers.
[Android Apps and Games] ayoubij:
Yes it could be that in secure chat if someone screenshot the other should be notified.

Most imp thing is the contacts bug as i cant see some contacts who already have the app. Some friends also cant see me
[Android Apps and Games] Zenety:
I haven't encountered the bug yet, might be because I only have 18 contacts yet. How are the numbers formatted? With country code or without them? Or they usual mobile phone numbers or different?
[Android Apps and Games] ayoubij:
You think that u havent encountered. But im sure you have more than 18 people but they arent shown. Open telegram website and check their FAQ. They even aknowledge this problem.

They tell u the solution is to log off (from settings) and then exit the app and log in again.

This is not a practical solution and the bug must be fixed asap to be competitive with whatsapp and other stable apps
[Android Apps and Games] Erda0:
Great app!

Thanks!
[Android Apps and Games] ayoubij:
Is [MENTION=5176577]Zenety[/MENTION] dev of this app?
[Android Apps and Games] qayba:
try to erase contacts data and re-sync, or simply logging in again! don't worry ;)
[Android Apps and Games] Zenety:
Wish I was, but i'm not. If you have questions for the Telegram team either contact them on Telegram or Twitter or here: https://telegram.org/support

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[Android Apps and Games] sabret00the:
WhatsApp are apparently going to add Voice Calls. We need Voice Notes, Last Online hiding and expandable notifications before we even get around to that.
[Android Apps and Games] Felix_0501:
Is anyone here who can create an Telegram Client with german translation and voice messages? That were great!
[Android Apps and Games] Vit5000:
I would assume that voice has to be supported and implemented on the server before implementing it into a client. As long as this is not happening, no voice functionality.

Btw, check out android-hilfe.de in the communication subforum of the Android forum. One guy supposedly made his own German translation of the original app.
[Android Apps and Games] Zhera:
i have translated it to german i have made a thread for it

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?p=50595626
[Android Apps and Games] Vit5000:
Are you and the guy from AH ten same person? Or two different projects?
[Android Apps and Games] Erda0:
The app not really send pictures at full size...BUMMER!
[Android Apps and Games] sabret00the:
What is the compression rate?
[Android Apps and Games] Erda0:
The same as whatsapp, maybe even lower.
[Android Apps and Games] sabret00the:
That's odd given the 1GB file size limit.
[Android Apps and Games] Vit5000:
You can send uncompressed pictures by using "document" instead of "gallery".

However, they deactivated picture transfer yesterday for some hours as their server couldn't manage the influx of new accounts and traffic.
[Android Apps and Games] Erda0:
I sent them a question about that. I will post here again when I will get an answer.
[Android Apps and Games] sethgreen:
great app :good:
[Android Apps and Games] Zenety:
When I started using Telegram the pictures were full size. Just like they were sent. I might be because of the load on the servers the last few days that they had to tune it down a bit. When everything stabilizes it will probably be full size again.

If you want to make sure it will be send full size use the "Document" option when selecting a file as stated above in my quote. This will always send it full size :)
[Android Apps and Games] ayoubij:
Yes i can find workarounds but not everybody reads. So when my friend installs this app and sees wrongly that he has very few friends using it, he wont be interested.. and uninstall this app. Thats why its a major bug
[Android Apps and Games] sabret00the:
Someone start a TextSecure Messenger thread so we can keep this one on the topic of Telegram.
[Android Apps and Games] justmpm:
If somebody would start this thread as suggested it would be great. Posting about TextSecure in this thread is really Off Topic. It is also a bit rude to the OP who has his own work to present and that is why I cleaned the thread. Please...let's keep the discussion in this thread about Telegram.

Thanks!!!
[Android Apps and Games] _artem_:
No way to add Russian contacts when you live in Germany

Any one else?
[Android Apps and Games] Zenety:
What is the exact problem? It uses your phone book as a contact list.
[Android Apps and Games] _artem_:
1. Russian numbers look like this: +7 operator code number, e.g. +7 909 123456

That's what saved in my address book and that's what any Russian contact see in his telegram settings

2. When I go to my telegram contacts I don't see any Russian contact, opening all contacts I see those contacts, clicking on them gives me that they haven't joined telegram

3. When I get a message from these contacts I see their number not the name in chats and in conversations BUT those numbers are with brackets around the operator code, e.g. +7 (909) 123456

4. When I tap on their avatar I can see their names and number (again with stupid brackets)

5. I have a button to add them, tapping on it shows their name (which they enter in their settings), when I accept it or enter there something else - it still doesn't get added but tapping on avatar again shows me the name I entered while trying to add that contact, when back to conversation I still have that stupid button to add the contact and no name just a number with brackets

6. When I get a message there is a pop-up on top of the screen - there I can see the name of the contact, in notifications I also see the name, when I tap on it I get to the conversation where I see the number with add to contacts button

7. When I open people (address book) and click on any Russian contact I only see whatsapp no telegram. Clicking on any German contact I see also telegram field

Russians can add me without issues, but I can't add them
[Android Apps and Games] LubbeSGS:
Hey there!

Feature request / suggestion:

Will it be possible to add an option to import old Whatsapp messages?

Might sound crazy, but it could be a useful feature to convince and migrate users to Telegram..
[Android Apps and Games] _artem_:
I asked this person to tell me the sms code and I can access now her account from my pc...

here is what's going on...

1. her contact in my address book w whatsapp field, w/o telegram field

2. her number (w/o brackets) in her telegram settings

3. her contact info in my telegram

4. my contact info in her telegram

5. our conversation from her side

6. our conversation from my side

7. chats list

8. contact info of a german number w whatsapp and telegram fields

9. my telegram settings

10. my telegram contacts

so I think the problem is that telegram adds brackets around russian operators, but this only when you are outside of russia... russian contacts can add each other and don't get those brackets
[Android Apps and Games] ayoubij:
i think its the same bug i have been telling about. It affects everyone, no exceptions, even iphone app has the same bug.

At first, i thought like you, only "international" numbers are being affected, but no, if affects local numbers as well (russian in your case)

The only thing you can do, is go to the settings and log off telegram, and then start messaging again. Do this a couple of times and your missing contacts will show.

But this is only a solution, we cant stay like this using this app, telegram must find a proper solution.