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[Xperia Z1 General] ashouhdy:
the Pics1:

no need for hdr with htc one ... while i prefer the contrast/colors of the z1 (more natural appeal too)

Pics2:

sky behind the house shows the deep orange sunset timing while on the htc its just white .. over-exposed. and hdr i guess used again cause of the color fading on the htc one shot. again i will take the z1

Pics3:

definite HDr pattern from the htc. its yes more beautifull but its artistic. .. will take the htc one here for the balanced sky and well exposed hdr. .. although the z1 done well here.

Pics4:

Again blown highlights with the htc .. the sky is totally ruined the z1 balanced both but the dynamic range is not ok .. under exposed. should have been takin with hdr. here i will take as a tie.

Pics5:

htc balanced both well. winner htc

Pics6:

the Z1 dynamic range did well here ... you can see all the sky colors and texture till the end ... the htc blow it again. winner z1

Pics7:

colors/contrast/ exposure and dynamic range all goes to the z1 the road is pretty drawn.... htc is over-exposed ... whats wrong with the ONE ! winner z1

Pics8:

same as above .. winner z1

Pics9:

cant find the sky in the htc shot. its not meant to take artistic photo its meant to get natural shot... sky at the z1 shows beautifull degrade color of blue luv it ... winner z1 also the trees looks hazzy on the htc

Pics10:

same as above and above winner z1

Pics11:

this round goes to the htc

Pics12:

htc

Pics13:

its here hdr vs normal scene ... cancelled

Pics14:

the indoor shot definitly goes to the htc

Pics15:

church: colors in the z1 is totally diff. than htc. will take the htc for the balanced dynamic range.

Pics16:

htc got this better ,, winner htc

Pic17:

the playground: htc totally screwed it here .. the blown up sky even extended to the tree branches !! so bad.

Pic18:

hdr vs non hdr : winner z1 ... look at the tree at the upper left corner in both images ... over sharpeness with loss of tree details.

Pic19:

look at the trees on the lower right corner in the htc shot ... the lens suffers smoothness and loss of details .. it has a scientific term but its not in my mind now. compare the trees in both and the amount of details preserved with the z1 ... winner z1

Pic20:

both the same but i prefer the z1 color better ... as its a personal perefe. so leave it as a tie

Pic21:

the building is better exposed on the htc .. although it suffers again from the corners .. winner htc

Pic22:

!!! the htc over sharpining hurts the eye ! what the !! winner z1 !

Pic23:

the green building is well exposed on the z1 but the sky is over exposed .. i will go with the htc

Pic24 and the rest are all shakky and blurred in the sony side .. dont know why ?!! cant judge so i will stop till pic24

we have 23 images ... for my preference and trained eye .. its 11 points to z1 and 3 tie/cancelled and 9 for htc

again its a major HDr vs Non hdr shoot out !
[Xperia Z1 General] dakunclear:
Here are some pictures the first round are from the z1 next round will be from my dslr
[Xperia Z1 General] dakunclear:
Here are the photos from my Nikon d3200 with 50mm lens on
[Xperia Z1 General] dakunclear:
And last 24mm
[Xperia Z1 General] One Twelve:
yes no way to tell at all with the exifs. With the koreans you can tell immediately

Z1

HDR :

OFF

:

ON

HTC ONE

HDR :

OFF

:

ON

The hdr on for the Z1 is worse than with off. With the htc one the difference is better. With the Z1 spot metering of some mid tone would have got a better result than hdr.

Bear in mind these images from gsmarena are with firmware .518 on Z1. HDR might have improved since. 518->.534->.257->.290->...

Shutter speeds on the HTC one are strange, that first image clocks in at 1/5,486 sec :eek:

Well, if he used HDR in most of the photos then i don't see how to do a comparison at all. One of the guys here already made that point in his thread.

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Bright spot ? bright spot will will underexpose if there are darker areas.

no, you want to lock a mid grey or mid tone. You need to figure out what your camera thinks is mid-tone, it might not be the same as what the eye sees.

All digital cameras see the world as 18% grey. if things go too dark or too bright its confuses them.

Why don't you play with manual, then you will start to take photos instead of just documenting things. Stop hiding behind the camera.

Right now its HTC one shot, htc one took the photo, its not a Shan89 shot :)
[Xperia Z1 General] One Twelve:
You mind putting the originals up on flickr as tapatalk just butchered your APS-C sensor DSLR pics.
[Xperia Z1 General] Shan89:
I have no idea what this means lol , is this good or bad ?

No , with htc it's different , HDR can pick up to 100%+ more light in night for example then AUTO , the hdr on htc one is very strong , the point is exactly to point at the most bright spot and lock the focus and iso / exposure there , then switch to hdr and make a photo, i'll show you tomorrow , i'll make few shots for ya, anyway i know how to use manual , i just didn't want to use it nor i used focus / iso / exposure lock with hdr which would fix all over exposure and highlight completely , you'll see tomorrow , the reason i don't use manual is cuz i don't care , i'm satisfied with the photos that one makes on AUTO , lets be honest if z1 had great superior auto and didn't need manual 90% of the ppl wouldn't even care to play with manual lol.
[Xperia Z1 General] dakunclear:
leave it to uploading my dslr photos to my phone then to xda to destroy them lol and here are the ones uploaded to flickr for you.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/115308399@N08/12095240886/

http://www.flickr.com/photos/115308399@N08/12094960794/

http://www.flickr.com/photos/115308399@N08/12094866793/
[Xperia Z1 General] One Twelve:
Can we have the Z1 ones too :)
[Xperia Z1 General] Shan89:
[MENTION=5512893]One Twelve[/MENTION]

Is this good or bad?

Here the test i promissed you with the AE/AF locked + HDR manual settings.

so 1st pic is always AUTO , 2nd pic is HDR and 3rd pic is MANUAL + AE / AF locked + ISO + exposure + Focus + HDR locked.

you can clearly see on every AUTO pic the bottom is too dark ( same as how z1 takes pics with sky + bottom ) , while with HDR the sky sux pretty much on all photos and the last one with MANUAL + AE / AF locked + ISO + exposure + Focus + HDR locked. got both the sky and bottom quiet perfectly right regarding colors / exposure / lighting.

Now you get the idea what would pics look like if i used this in the z1 vs htc one test , the z1 didn't stand a chance vs normal HDR imagine with this ;) , keep in mind it takes me about 5 sec to setup this and take a shot + i have limitless possibilities like this , i can lock any iso any exposure any custom settings like saturation / sharpness / contrast / exposure / white balance + any of the present modes like HDR / MACRO / AUTO / and so on

while on these pics down here all i used is AE/AF + HDR + ISO + exposure + focus lock :p

AUTO

HDR

AE/AF + HDR + ISO + exposure + focus lock

AUTO

HDR

AE/AF + HDR + ISO + exposure + focus lock

AUTO

HDR

AE/AF + HDR + ISO + exposure + focus lock

AUTO

HDR

AE/AF + HDR + ISO + exposure + focus lock
[Xperia Z1 General] dakunclear:
There ya go

leave it to uploading my dslr photos to my phone then to xda to destroy them lol and here are the ones uploaded to flickr for you.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/115308399@N08/12095240886/

http://www.flickr.com/photos/115308399@N08/12094960794/

http://www.flickr.com/photos/115308399@N08/12094866793/
[Xperia Z1 General] ashouhdy:
i dont want to bash the htc one i know its a great phone with great new idea of the UltraPixel tech. but it needs further development ... the lack of pixels and poor low light landscapes affects it strongly ... the htc one takes a hell of time to focus at night at low light landscapes and mostly get out of focus ... to take a perfect shot you need to take a sequence of 5 to 8 shots to get one perfect out of it ... also as you can see in daylight it put aggressive processing as in hdr and sometimes yeilds UN-natural ...

on the other hand the Z1 focus really sharp in less than a second the pics even with HDr is realistic not aggresivly processed and to mention the video capture [MENTION=318761]night[/MENTION] the one stutter alittle and lose some framerates and drops to @15 to 23 fps

here are some pics of both and show also how the low megapixel counts...

so

thats the z1 hdr on/off

z1 hdr off

DSC_0828 by Sea-Breezee, on Flickr

z1 hdr on ( not aggressive and natural)

DSC_0828_1 by Sea-Breezee, on Flickr

lets head to lowlight landscapes...

this is htc one the best one from many trials to get the best focus ... believe me in that time i had the htc before owing the z1 and was trying my best to get the best out of it

IMAG2572 by Sea-Breezee, on Flickr

z1 from the first attemp in less than a second.

DSC_0115 by Sea-Breezee, on Flickr

Another example

htc

IMAG0732 by Sea-Breezee, on Flickr

z1

DSC_0565 by Sea-Breezee, on Flickr

when i tried to zoom in on both ... i was disappointed with the htc ...

htc crop from the full 4mp shot

htc cropp by Sea-Breezee, on Flickr

while the z1 crop from the full 8mp shot

z1 crop by Sea-Breezee, on Flickr

....

i hope u get my point ... its a great phone and might return to it .. if only they fixed the purple tint and added the pixel count to 8mega.
[Xperia Z1 General] One Twelve:
This one is nice, noticeable & subtle, nothing overblown.

To get focus you would need to tap at the intersection of the dark & bright area. AF works on contrast. At the same time you need to do this at a sufficient distance away from you to maintain the focus at infinity for a landscape. If you tap on those areas you will get the quickest autofocus. Where there isn't enough contrast you won't get focus.

eg. that boats shot of yours would not be possible at all with the one if you had trouble focusing the one with the other shots you posted.

You are saying even if you tap to focus near the reflection of the light in the water or around the lighted building that still htc one will not get the focus ?

In these two shots the lighting conditions are different. The extra light leaks into your crop in the One much more than the Z1.

ONE: ISO 800, 1/12

Z1: ISO 80, 0.5s

ISO 800 is no match for ISO 80. The best HTC equivalent would be ISO 200, 0.3s (or the slowest shutter i've seen the one do) . Surprised one cannot go slower than 0.3s. Maybe a -0.3EV required too.

Another point is if we are going to compare Z1 & one, then the resolution of the photos must be similar. Both these photos are resized to the same resolution.

Now about the crop. HTC one does 4MP, if you use full HD screen to see it, then you can remove 50% of the photo and enlarge to original size and it will be ok. If you are using only HD screen like i am using here, then you can cut 25% and enlarge the rest and it will look fine. But the crop looks bad on my screen so you exceed the crop available with one. But Z1 looks good so that crop is greater than why my screen can display. This is the problem with crops because you don't know what screen people are using.

Z1 should be doing 3.5MP instead of 8MP or greater. This actually gives the Z1 an edge as the photos will be sharper still. But people keep getting hung up on 8MP & 20MP, Must be able to do crop bla bla, 8MP vs 4MP by default will give you a better crop. So what are we assessing the pictures on then ? how pleasing ? how accurate ? how balanced.

its a pity that tint issue is there at all. from the little i've seen of the one, its the indoor shots that it gets easier than others. Of course sample size Shan89 put up is like 2 or 3 shots only so cannot really make much of conclusion. I don't see why its not possible with the Z1, they are both low light phones. In some of the comparisons i've seen the Z1 gets the shot with faster shutter than the one.
[Xperia Z1 General] ashouhdy:
if u tab on the bright area or highest contrast area even in low-light the metering will change to SPOT and iso drops dramatically just to get the tabbed area. so if you want to get a well exposed scene the htc hunts so sloooooooooooowly for focus and you find many times that it is out of focus.

About resizing feel free to play with any photo you desire on the flickr sets and show us a result am curious . Well about 4 vs 8 ... if you got a shot and say wanna crop a part to make say for example a facebook profile pic. ofcourse here it matters.

i wasnt and still no fan of cropping but sometimes you wanna zoom in to see extra details of buildings landscapes ...etc ... its important.
[Xperia Z1 General] One Twelve:
Brightest area isn't the one with the most contrast. Close to the edge of the dark & bright is where the contrast is highest. Or where you can find some detail. But you have to ensure you are not close to the focus point so that background also is in focus. If you meter off the brightest area then it will knock the exposure down and your image will be underexposed. Then ISO gets bumped up to correct it.

With the one's dynamic metering you are fighting the camera as you want focus but it wants to control exposure where you set it. Too far from the contrast line and you have no focus or too close to it and the ISO gets bumped up.

The Z1 must have better edge detection algorithms than the one. DxO ranks Z1 6th place out of 14 for AF. They never tested the one but your experience would suggest not as good as Z1 for low light landscapes. Presumably one works well in good light but once light drops below a certain level it can't manage. 1020 & 5s are the top two for still AF.

Looking at the crops..

ONE: (321 x 175) which is 1% crop of the 2,688 × 1,520 (4.1 megapixel) original

Z1 : (553 x 317) which is 2% crop of the 3,840 × 2,160 (8.3 megapixel) original

The image you posted is (1024 x 579) which is 15% crop of the 2,688 × 1,520 (4.1 megapixel) original. This looks acceptable on its own. But the 1% crop is not whereas the 2% Z1 still works. I don't know why that is. So when you try to decrease the crop further there is a minimum point beyond which you cannot go.

Cannot figure out what the minimum crop you can make with the one that is acceptable :confused:

Sure, so no zoom on the camera to have space to work with.
[Xperia Z1 General] Shan89:
[MENTION=5512893]One Twelve[/MENTION]

Jesus you know so much about cameras and how they work lol, all I know is just basic point and shoot and some manual, still i make decent photos you gotta wonder what would you do with the one lol with all this knowledge !

Anyway it's a joy reading your comments!

BTW I'm still hoping to get an answer about this

Since I have no idea is this good or bad, little more detailed answer would be really helpful :thumbup:

I'd suggest you to take a look at this thread, this guy really knows how to take pics with the one on a professional level, I'm guessing you're capable of something like this as well, and his shots would probably tell you more about htc one camera then mine

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=2400318
[Xperia Z1 General] ashouhdy:
This guy is talented ! I wonder how many hours he spent post processing this huge numbers of images ?

About shutter speed the faster it goes it could freeze the action. But typically in a sunny day a shutter of 1/125sec up to 1/2000 is more than enough with dropping iso to 80

The faster the shutter the less light enters the lens. I guess the high sensitive pixels avoid burning from strong light with this fast shutter !
[Xperia Z1 General] Shan89:
Thx for the explanation, I guess that why I was able to snap stuff like this.

the last one is iso 100 and shutter speed 1/1130
[Xperia Z1 General] Shan89:
[MENTION=5512893]One Twelve[/MENTION]

Ty very much for the info!

Any comment on these 2 i took today, I believe it's hard to take pics like this since the sky and snow were both white and this is my first snow picture , any suggestions?
[Xperia Z1 General] :
First, could you please upload the original pictures somewhere? Tapatalk kills quality... A quick glance tells that you could probably up EV some. I could take pictures with +2/3 in very bright daylight and +1/3 at sunset on clear days. However your pictures seem to be from a cloudy day so I reckon you could go even higher than +1

Second, One Twelve has given me lots of tips and links to improve in the photo thread. I'm also living in a snowy area so the tips are applicable to you too.
[Xperia Z1 General] Shan89:
Here ya go , not sure how much of the quality is lost via tiny pic but should be good enough :P
[Xperia Z1 General] One Twelve:
Go with what Akseli said, in Belgrade the sun is twice as high at 2pm than it is in Finland.

No HDR, it won't help here. Try +2/3 or +1EV
[Xperia Z1 General] One Twelve:
Can you show me the same AE/AF but without the HDR ? Let's see how that compares with your auto.
[Xperia Z1 General] Shan89:
Its quiet the same / similar to auto unless I add extra manual settings, the reason why is this so good is because it locks natural colors and lighting as auto or brighter / darker as you wish + hdr makes sure the sky and bottom are equally balanced. No point really doing auto vs ae/af locked

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[Xperia Z1 General] One Twelve:
I don't think it will be like auto at all. You pick the exposure spot which auto cannot and that can change the exposure completely.

No need for any more manual settings those are just fine tuning for contrast, sharpness etc.

So i want to see how this works with AE/AF lock done manually without HDR.
[Xperia Z1 General] Shan89:
Sure I'll make some photos for you tomorrow.
[Xperia Z1 General] One Twelve:
Thx, i want to see how close we can get the Z1 to emulate them. Try to use the same subjects as with the earlier HDR ones at the same time of day so it makes for an easier comparison. i don't want to imagine how it could be, i want to acutally see it :)

Spot metering can do this to a certain extent but its not like the dynamic exposure setting that htc or procamera on iphone. There is also the backlighting scn mode. These are limited.

This is a software thing, and i've not found an app in the playstore that do the same. you can focus lock without problem, exposure lock or rather dynamically set exposure where you tap and have the picture change exposure in real time on the screen...hmm not quite. Seems to be an htc only feature. As in the only android phone camera that can do this.

Wish your cousins would actually take part in the discussions. Is their written english not as good as yours ?
[Xperia Z1 General] Shan89:
Their English is quiet bad, as for photos I can't do the same, the snow has fallen and there's no blue skies anymore, it's all white lol, but I'll demonstrate it.

Btw backlight on HTC does wonders as well, both in day and night, at night I get about 20% more light vs auto and with flash pictures are 2x more bright it hurts the eyes lol.

It behaves like it snaps 2 photos in the same time, also the sharpness is a bit too much.

I have actually one backlight photo where both i and my cousin took the same shot.

EDIT:

Found these 2 photos. You can see how HTC One photo is super sharp , i don't really like it very much but it's so sharp lol, oh btw i can use AE/AF lock as well with any mode except HDR , with HDR i have first to AE/AF lock then switch to HDR while with others i can do it right away.

Z1

HTC One - backlight
[Xperia Z1 General] Shan89:
[MENTION=5512893]One Twelve[/MENTION]

Here the photos you requested the weather sux so i can't really show you this to it's max but this will be good enough, 1st 3 were with manual focus and AE / AF + auto , 4th pic is AE/AF locked + HDR :P At the last pic you'll notice even the sky , it had really ****ty sky color like the one on 4th pic , i believe it would be hard for any phone to capture bottom + sky with this color.

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3.

4.
[Xperia Z1 General] One Twelve:
Was reading up about HDR, and what you said is half right.

To get the best HDR, you need to expose for the brightest area AND the darkest area. You need to tell it both those points. Now you have two images exposed for these two limits. Then you take a photo or more in between those two limits. This is bracketing and its more accurate as you eyeballed the screen and are better able to distinguish these two points than a phone. There is no bracketing with htc one. They have HDR which is like a poor man's compromise.

With HDR you can only do the first half. Between darkest and brightest, you went with brightest. Now HDR will in addition take an exposure a stop above that brightest point, so just wasted an exposure. If you went with middle then you get best of both worlds.

Make sense ?
[Xperia Z1 General] pickneters:
I've had both,in my opinion the camera is much better on the z1s specifically the shutter speed. It was extremely frustrating trying to take a picture of my kids,always blurry. Z1s comes out excellent,I am not a photographer I will never use manual mode,this is all auto.

Also battery is very similar,it was bad for the first week on the Sony and then it evened out.I get about a day and a half with moderate to heavy use.
[Xperia Z1 General] ashouhdy:
i keep telling u guys the same

Pro HDR Camera on playstore

it takes 4 exposures and combine them . You can even set how bright + and how under - it also saves the true images as well.

On the Z1 its able to take the Images in 20MP 4:3 18MP 16:9 and then ordinary resolutions.
[Xperia Z1 General] fmmsf:
Wasn't the camera supposed to be exactly the same?
[Xperia Z1 General] limeaid:
No. The z1s is improved. Larger sensor and better lens
[Xperia Z1 General] dakunclear:
The sensor is the same size maybe better lens and software but not sensor size
[Xperia Z1 General] limeaid:
Not according to pcmag

http://mobile.pcmag.com/?origref=ht...with-the-xperia-z1s-sony-s-super-camera-phone

However, looking at the specs on various sites, pcmag could be wrong since the sensor is listed as 1/2.3" which is the same as the original z1
[Xperia Z1 General] dakunclear:
CAMERAPrimary20.7 MP, autofocus, LED flashFeatures1/2.3'' sensor size, geo-tagging, touch focus, face detection, image stabilization, HDR, panoramaVideoYes, 1080p@30fps, video stabilization, HDRSecondaryYes, 2 MP, 1080p@30fps

This for the z1s in www.gsmarena.com

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The only difference between the two is Sony doubled the storage space from 16gb to 32GB
[Xperia Z1 General] PhxGuy:
IMO nothing comes close to the Z1s! It has the best specs. Even the note3 can't keep up..with all the bloat that Samsung puts onto android. Most of Samsung features are too gimmicky and just slow the phone down. With that said... Xperia Z1s is #1 Note3 is #2 of all recently released phones!

C6916 quad-core BOSS
[Nexus 7 (2013) Q&A] livingsaint:
I can't transfer videos to my tablet/phone because of this error. Anyone got any ideas?
[Nexus 7 (2013) Q&A] Pandae:
Presumably these are DRM-protected files. You'll have to acquire the appropriate content licenses on the portable device.
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] Carousser:
So I recently did a factory restore on my S3 for verizon after trying to get the ota update, and for some reason when i connect my device to my laptop it will disconnect randomly.

Now it booted to a screen that says firmware upgrade encountered an issue. Please use software repair assistant & try again.

The problem is I tried that and it always gets to like 98% and then it says the phone is disconnected. I can't restart the phone as it always goes back to this screen...

I had flashed a stock recovery and did a factory reset, so I'm not sure why this is happening.

I tried to do an emergency firmware restore in kies, but kies won't even recognize my device.

WHAT DO I DO
[Verizon Samsung Galaxy S III] buhohitr:
Is it possible you have issue with your cable.cable pin? or you can try a different usb port. Did you try the ODIN method?