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[Galaxy Note 10.1 (2014 Edition) General] BarryH_GEG:
And this is GSMArena's...

Winner: Tie. Widescreen has conquered everything from phones through tablets and laptops all the way to large TVs, so most content targets that aspect. The higher pixel density (even with the unusual matrix) and the adjustable screen modes are enough to put the Note 10.1 in pole position. The Apple iPad Air however has a slightly brighter screen with a better contrast, plus the 4:3 aspect ratio is good for text, so it's up to personal preference here.

http://www.gsmarena.com/ipad_air_vs_galaxy_note_101_2014-review-1016p3.php​
[Galaxy Note 10.1 (2014 Edition) General] reubenskelly1992:
See
[Galaxy Note 10.1 (2014 Edition) General] MasterZoen:
Subjectivity...

Not only is color preference a personal factor, I like "cool white" as opposed to "warm white," but it's subjective to your genetics as well. No two people see colors the same way, and this is even more true for displays which mix colors to produce fake colors.

For that matter, my left eye sees more reds while my right sees more greens, so for me it's even more subjective if I have one eye closed.
[Galaxy Note 10.1 (2014 Edition) General] BarryH_GEG:
Here's another thing, mobile device displays aren't like monitors that you can shop for based on their individual merits because they're going to be hooked up to another device that's going to power them. A mobile device's display is just part of a slew of criteria taken in to account when contemplating a purchase.

Here's an insanely detailed display shoot-out between thethe Kindle Fire HDX 8.9, Apple iPad Air, and Google Nexus 10 (the N10.1-14 didn't exist yet).

http://www.displaymate.com/Tablet_ShootOut_3.htm

If the display was my only criteria I'd own the KF HDX. But I don't want smaller than a 10" 16:10 display, don't want to live in a walled garden, and wouldn't be particularly fond of content being biased to Amazon. I do want S Pen (I've been using it heavily for almost two years), a 10" tablet with a small and light form factor, and compatibility with my phone (N3) for sharing content (S Note/Scrap Book). So if the N10.1-14's display was objectively rated 15% below the HDX I'd still buy it. 50% below I wouldn't buy the HDX but probably wouldn't buy the N10.1-14 either because that big a fail in comparative testing would be pretty hard to live with. I'm guessing no matter how important, no one here buys a mobile device based on the display as their only selection criteria.

Personally, I think the N10.1-14's display is gorgeous. I was afraid that bouncing between an AMOLED N3 and the N10.1-14 would be jarring and make the N10.1-14's display seem inferior. Quite a bit of the time I like the N10.1-14's display of content better than the N3's. But my criteria and what I'm willing to accept (or call "gorgeous") is totally different than everyone's here. Buy what makes you happy. ;)
[Galaxy Note 10.1 (2014 Edition) General] skyhigh73:
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Try to browse an image via chrome or any apps e.g facebook and see the resolution difference between ipad air and note 2014.

Give it a try and tell me your feed back.

;)
[Galaxy Note 10.1 (2014 Edition) General] reubenskelly1992:
I have I've used my dad's and my Samsung side by side. I found mine crisper but slightly warmer tone.

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And that's a stupid comment. An image on chrome or Facebook isn't going to you anything
[Galaxy Note 10.1 (2014 Edition) General] BarryH_GEG:
That's a completely different story. The app-to-app difference in rendering graphics in Android can be startling so individual apps may show pics in higher resolution or just render them better on iOS. The fact that so few Android devices have a 2,560x1,600 display resolution certainly doesn't incent developers to adapt there apps for it.

Interesting you said "images." Read this...

For most people, though, it won't matter. Photos are inherently fuzzy, so it won’t matter whether they’re viewed on a 1920×1080 or 1280×720 smartphone display; you’ll still see their imperfections. "Even the tiniest image detail in a photograph is always spread over more than one pixel," Dr. Soneira explained in a follow-up e-mail. "The image detail is never perfectly aligned with the pixel structure of the display." Videos are even worse: not only are they fuzzy like photographs, but the pictures are constantly moving. Even if the images were sharp, the human brain couldn’t zero in on content that’s appearing for only a fraction of a second on such a small display. "For ordinary viewing of videos, 1920×1080 is really not going to make a visual difference," adds Dr. Soneira.

Where a 1080p smartphone display could really make an impact is with computer-generated content—that is, the user interface, buttons, and text. "Only computer-generated images make full use of the pixel resolution of the display," says Dr. Soneira. "For graphics and text, maybe you want that kind of sharpness." Like desktop computers, smartphone displays can also utilize sub-pixel rendering, which helps improve the visual sharpness of computer-generated graphics.

http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2012/10/1080p-on-a-smartphone-screencan-it-possibly-matter/​
[Galaxy Note 10.1 (2014 Edition) General] reubenskelly1992:
Exactly my point. A loaded picture could be displayed in different resolution etc. I'm saying text and colours look more crisp and beautiful on the Samsung. But the ipad whites are. Slightly better
[Galaxy Note 10.1 (2014 Edition) General] BarryH_GEG:
I hate the N5's display. It may be accurate but side-by-side with other devices it's downright bland. Maybe Samsung's trained me over time that exaggerated colors are normal. But I'll confess, I like my mobile devices to display vivid colors and cool whites even if that isn't accurate.

The new Nexus 7 impressed me with how accurate its display was in terms of color reproduction, beginning with Google stating it targeted sRGB (the color space for both the web and Android) calibration for it. The Nexus 5 seems to have done the same, and wowed me with

the best GMB color checker Delta-Es we’ve seen from any Android handset

. In addition, the Nexus 5 has

none of the saturation boost that’s sadly quite pervasive right now

, instead giving the right evenly spaced saturation stepping on its color channels. The Nexus 7 has slightly lower Delta-E, but it’s clear to me that Google has made color calibration an emphasis on the Nexus line.

It’s interesting to hear some Nexus 5 users complain that the display seems undersaturated, since that kind of end user feedback reflects subjective comparison. It also suggests to me that a large percentage of the population doesn’t know what some colors or system elements actually should be. Even for me, looking at the green elements inside the Google Play store on the Note 3 in movie mode or Nexus 5 initially seemed slightly more muted than normal. The reality is that this is what they actually should look like. We’ve just become accustomed to their oversaturated appearance on virtually every other device.

This kind of expectation about what looks right and what doesn’t is rather telling for the state of display calibration in Android handsets, and how OEMs have used oversaturated colors to increase retail shelf appeal. Unfortunately the reality is that oversaturated colors do seem to win taste tests among shoppers, the same way that TVs in most big boxes do. We’ve been looking at them for so long that well calibrated displays like Nexus 5 initially do look noticeably different.

The end result is easy to sum up, however – Nexus 5 has the best calibrated display I’ve seen so far in any Android handset. It’s also leaps and bounds more accurate and controlled than its predecessor display in the Nexus 4.

http://www.anandtech.com/show/7517/google-nexus-5-review/5​
[Galaxy Note 10.1 (2014 Edition) General] reubenskelly1992:
Yeah the HTC one is much more vibrant and better than nexus 5
[Galaxy Note 10.1 (2014 Edition) General] whatllitbenext:
I agree with you 100%!

...Your motivations are exactly mine and why I bought the thing in the first place.

You could not have described my situation more perfectly:

That's EXACTLY what happened to me (I have a GN2) and led me begin this thread and why -- out of the box -- I was NOT impressed with the display colors. I'm getting used to it, though, and it makes me appreciate my GN2 all the more.

As I said, objectively, the GN10.1-2014 IS excellent and I DO think the display is gorgeous; I suppose, for the price I was expecting "perfect," 's'all.
[Galaxy Note 10.1 (2014 Edition) General] donharden2002:
I personally don't mind the display for web browsing but hate it for watching movies. Blacks seem to be more dark grey especially in the lower corners of the display. This is my 3rd one and all have seemed the same.

I end up watching movies on my hdx 8.9 or the wife's iPad air.
[Galaxy Note 10.1 (2014 Edition) General] Lodix:
I don't like the pentile matrix thatbit has, because when a blue or red is represented you can actually see the space between the pixeles.

Enviado desde mi SM-N9005 mediante Tapatalk
[Galaxy Note 10.1 (2014 Edition) General] Kimerus:
That's true. Anyway I'm fine with Note 10.1's display.. I also have a note 3. The superamoled is waaaay better than the superlcd that is on the tablet. Black is fantastic on the note 3 and it is not so good on the tablet.
[Galaxy Note 10.1 (2014 Edition) General] Tex Arcana:
QFT. Too bad one can't run DisplayMate and make adjustments, tho.

Manufacturing variances aside, eyes are VERY subjective. For instance, old people: as cataracts develop, the lens clouds and yellows, which changes our perception of colors--this is why you see old men on the golf course dressed like pimps, because their color perception is fuzzy and yellowish; also, you see these people buying "bright-white"(3500k) or "daylight" (5000k), in an effort to boost blue response and cut back the yellow. Once these people get cataract surgery (usually lens-replacement surgery), however, they start dressing better, with better color coordination, and less garish combos; also, they start using "normal" bulbs (2700-3000k) again, because they are seeing more accurately again.

My eyes have always been good color-wise, and I'm not quite yet getting the yellowing, so to me this display is gorgeous, the lock screen pic is a riot of beautiful deep reds, brilliant yellow 's and saturated blues and violets. Also, the whites are as true as I've ever seen, especially considering the source lighting.

So, yeah, it's in the eye of the beholder... ;)
[Galaxy Note 10.1 (2014 Edition) General] Duly.noted:
GSM Arena is Wrong. 16:10 is closer to almost every major book magazine ebook and e magazine ratio. And, the ones in the ipads favor are just barely. That is just Apple propaganda. 16:10 is Only 0.02 off the golden Ratio.

Source I'm a writer and English / writing major in college

Now THIS THING IS TOO DAMN BRIGHT!!! I almost never leave the lowest brightness setting Not negative persay
[Galaxy Note 10.1 (2014 Edition) General] neags23:
A few people have mentioned the dot effect or being able to see space between pixels. I'm really not usually picky with things like that, but it seems really bad on my note2014. I got the Groupon refurb deal and was wondering if it was just my unit.

Those of you who praise the display so highly, do you not have this dot effect or does it just not bother you? Sometimes it's almost like I'm looking through a screen door. Mostly at the edges of icons and with most text. I guess I can learn to live with it, but disappointed I have to.
[Galaxy Note 10.1 (2014 Edition) General] kessomatt:
I just posted about the viewing angle earlier. This is my biggest complaint right here. I am pretty dissapointed with the display so far especially with all the reviews raving about it. When things are bright its spectacular.
[Galaxy Note 10.1 (2014 Edition) General] reubenskelly1992:
Then don't use it at an angle lol it made to be used directly in front of your eyes anyway
[Galaxy Note 10.1 (2014 Edition) General] Anicane:
After using my sisters Ipad, i do think that Ipad air has better display. When i got back to using my note started noticing the pixel spaces and texts had edges and were not smooth, is it normal ? i didn't notice it before, and my Note was bought one week ago. And i didnt notice this kinda of stuff on my previous Notes which had screen bleeding and yellow tint, which are exchanged cause i was not happy. So i am just wondering if other owner of Note has it too ? If this is H/w issue i should probably change this too.
[Galaxy Note 10.1 (2014 Edition) General] reubenskelly1992:
It's just the screen technology. From a normal distance u shouldn't notice it
[Galaxy Note 10.1 (2014 Edition) General] kessomatt:
I don't use it at an angle. It's when my son is using it and I am watching him do something or maybe just watching something together. I hope next year's version they don't cheap out on the display. I'd return it if I didn't love the stylus so much.
[Galaxy Note 10.1 (2014 Edition) General] reubenskelly1992:
Don't know how u can say it's a cheap Display, there made to watch next to it
[Galaxy Note 10.1 (2014 Edition) General] kessomatt:
Ok maybe cheap is a little harsh. Who knows, maybe they had to make sacrifices to get a digitizer in a high resolution display. My ipad mini w retina or my old 2012 note 10.1 didn't have this problem.
[Galaxy Note 10.1 (2014 Edition) General] reubenskelly1992:
The 2012 note display is naff compared to this
[Galaxy Note 10.1 (2014 Edition) General] kessomatt:
Naff? As in inferior? I agree if that's what you meant. I am strictly talking about the viewing angles. While we are on it my 2012 didn't have noticeable light bleed like my 2014. I contemplated exchanging but the display units at bestbuy weren't any better and also reading on here( with the guy who returned his 12 times ha!) I don't feel like wasting time playing the panel lottery.
[Galaxy Note 10.1 (2014 Edition) General] reubenskelly1992:
no but for me there is some things not as good with the display. But overall it's amazing. And light bleed for me is never noticeable.
[Galaxy Note 10.1 (2014 Edition) General] kessomatt:
I can see 6 points of light along the bottom on a black screen, evenly spaced. What's it like for you other guys?
[Galaxy Note 10.1 (2014 Edition) General] reubenskelly1992:
About the same , think a couple less
[Galaxy Note 10.1 (2014 Edition) General] notebooko:
[MENTION=1493949]BarryH_GEG[/MENTION]

Very informative. Thanks for the post.
[Galaxy Note 10.1 (2014 Edition) General] neags23:
I'm not necessarily saying I can see individual pixels... but there's definitely some type of dot effect, particularly with text and at the edges of images. I asked a couple other people to take a look and they noticed it, too. And this isn't with a magnifying glass or pressing my nose against the screen. Just at a normal reading distance.

I checked out a display model at Best Buy, and it had the same thing. So it's not just my device.

It's not a deal breaker, but I really don't see the same thing on my retina iPad. And I'm by no means an Apple guy. I've owned a dozen different Android tablets, and at least that many Android phones.

I plan on using the GN14 mostly for notes and videos and random Android apps that are better with a bigger screen than on my HTC One, and I'll leave the heavy reading to my retina iPad mini.
[Galaxy Note 10.1 (2014 Edition) General] BarryH_GEG:
My vision's different than yours, my brightness setting too, our viewing conditions vary, what we'd be viewing to make a comparison would be different, and there could even be manufacturing differences between our individual displays. I don't see what you and people you've involved see. And I've seen plenty of iPad Air's and even held a few side-by-side looking at the same content as what was displayed on my N10.1-14. In comparison, I'd say the contrast (blacks) are better on the iPad Air especially at lower brightness levels. Other than that, I'd say the displays are comparable. At least to me singularly. And iPad Air owners have actually complimented the N10.1-14's display where I was embarrassed to let them look at my N10.1-12's.

AnandTech did say this in their review which might have something to do with the difference you're noticing. I've compared my device to a N10 which has a previous (RGB) version of Samsung's 2560x1600 display. I didn't notice what AnandTech called out but I don't have 20/15 vision nor was I an Optical Sciences and Engineering undergrad like the AnandTech reviewer.

The 2014 Edition features a 10.1-inch 2560 x 1600 Super LCD display. Looking at the subpixel structure of the panel we get an idea for exactly what Super LCD means: RB,GW. Instead of a standard RGB stripe we get a combination of red, green, blue and white subpixels for each pixel. The white subpixel helps increase light throughput, an obvious problem with these ultra high resolution displays. The downside is that you get a lower subpixel density than a traditional RGB stripe. At these ultra high pixel densities however, the theory is that you wouldn’t notice the difference - hopefully making the power savings by having better light transmission, particularly when displaying lots of white (e.g. web pages), worth it. In practice the display looks pretty good, although a carefully trained eye will be able to recognize that this isn’t a standard RGB stripe. I quickly realized something was different about the display, something I later verified when looking at the subpixel structure.​

Here's a summary of a display comparison done by GSMArena between the N10.1-14 and iPad Air. Assuming what you're referencing is noticeable you'd think a site like GSMArena would have caught it; especially compared against what's known to be an excellent display (iPad Air).

Winner: Tie. Widescreen has conquered everything from phones through tablets and laptops all the way to large TVs, so most content targets that aspect. The higher pixel density (even with the unusual matrix) and the adjustable screen modes are enough to put the Note 10.1 in pole position. The Apple iPad Air however has a slightly brighter screen with a better contrast, plus the 4:3 aspect ratio is good for text, so it's up to personal preference here.​

I'm not telling you aren't seeing/noticing whatever you're seeing/noticing but if it were that pronounced you'd think it would be referenced more both here and by professional reviewers which are putting the display through comparisons and objective testing.
[Galaxy Note 10.1 (2014 Edition) General] Anicane:
I have actually the same problem as you, today i even went to the shop to check if it had the same problem as mine, and it did clearlly. And other thing i notice is that the when i use yellow color to write or to draw, the edges are not as smooth as other colors, and you actually can see the pixels spaces with yellow color, but not with other colors.
[Galaxy Note 10.1 (2014 Edition) General] BarryH_GEG:
You guys that are seeing whatever it is you're seeing, is it across everything you view? For example web pages in the stock browser, every app you use, across brightness settings, using every display mode (EG: Adapt Display). Or is it under specific conditions? If you give me an example of where you're seeing the issue I'll try to replicate it.
[Galaxy Note 10.1 (2014 Edition) General] neags23:
Unfortunately for me, it's everywhere, all the time.

I know that's not helpful, but that's what I'm seeing.

But it's mostly noticeable with a white background, with any darker color on top - i.e., text on a webpage, or text in an ebook.

The picture in the imgur link posted here: http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=50047137&postcount=17 is a pretty good representation. In the green areas, you can literally count the dots. I mean... it'd take forever and be tedious and you'd probably lose track of which you counted... but you can definitely see them.
[Galaxy Note 10.1 (2014 Edition) General] Anicane:
Can i request that you try to write or draw in either S-note with yellow color in different sizes. and do the same with with other colors like, yellow blue, red, cyan and etc. and compare them to yellow, check the edges, plus if you notice if you can see the pixels glowing with yellow color.

You can clearlly notice it here, even it is taken with mobile camera. check the edges of yellow and green color, plus the pixels, compare it to the other two. Oh and sorry for the big picture, didnt resize it cause you wouldnt see it.

Link if you wanted to see it in full size :
[Galaxy Note 10.1 (2014 Edition) General] Anicane:
I am certainly not buying any other tablet, this is my first tablet and i like it very much, except for, rendering, and sometimes i see pixel spaces, exclude those it has the best screen for me. And i mentioned the Ipad air, i don't know if it is only my sisters, but the screen itself on Ipad air feels like plastic, when i tab it, i can actually hear ''dub dub'' like plastic sound, but that's not the topic here.

Anyway, wanted to know if same issues can be seen with your tablet ? like pixel space ? ohh by the way do you the LTE model or the 3G/WIFI ?
[Galaxy Note 10.1 (2014 Edition) General] whatllitbenext:
OP here...

The posts have been very informative -- thanks to everyone who's posted -- but I haven't seen anybody comment about the unvibrant yellows.

Perfect example: Business Calendar Pro. The yellow offerings for the calendar color are dull and disgusting compared to the "pop" I get in my GN2.

I've come to live with it because I love S Note and S Pen functionality but really, I'm quite disappointed with the lack of vibrant yellows.
[Galaxy Note 10.1 (2014 Edition) General] BarryH_GEG:
I have an imported 3G (SM-P601) that was from one of the first batches sold. When the N10.1-14 first came out there were assembly issues with people mentioning loose or crooked side speaker grills, light bleed that was pretty bad in pics posted, and S Pen's that were loose in their silos. Mine didn't have any of those or any other issues. I'm (knock on wood) pretty lucky device wise and I go through quite a few. ;)

The pics people have posted trying to show their display issues are really hard to go by. Using people's descriptions I tried to replicate what they were seeing and couldn't. The "yellow on white" test was easy to replicate. But it was so downright painful to look at you'd have to ask whether jaggies matter because I certainly wouldn't being doing any note taking in yellow/white. And I can't see app developers or web designers ever choosing searing yellow against white in their designs so the real world implications are pretty nascent.

Is your vision better than 20/20? Maybe what you're seeing is there and I (and others) just can't see it. But my display really has no issues. You just got yours so are going over it with a fine tooth comb. I've been looking at the display since October so to me it's now just the "display." I wonder if the Groupon refurbs had their displays replaced? Because it seems like those echoing your comments also have Groupon tablets. But you or someone else mentioned the BB floor model looked the same so that's probably a long shot.

Have you tried the different display settings to see if they make any difference? Hopefully there's enough to like about the N10.1-14 that over time you'll forget about the display issue. Happy ownership. ;)
[Galaxy Note 10.1 (2014 Edition) General] kkretch:
I don't have Business Calendar Pro but I compare my home monitors screen on this site to my tablet the yellow buttons that say...reply, post reply on the tablet are a few shades darker color of yellow.
[Galaxy Note 10.1 (2014 Edition) General] whatllitbenext:
Oh, yes, tried all the settings. It's like [MENTION=5040390]kkretch[/MENTION] says in the next post, try using the yellow of the "REPLY", "POST REPLY" buttons here on XDA. Compare the GN3 to the GN10.1-2014.

You're not seeing a difference in how the yellows are rendered???? Mine are totally washed out...
[Galaxy Note 10.1 (2014 Edition) General] BarryH_GEG:
[My] Note 3

[My] N10.1-14

AnandTech Saturation Test - Note 3

AnandTech Saturation Test - N10.1-14