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[Moto G General] helppme:
increases the screen brightness even at the lowest setting...... when it updated and reset to auto brightness (at the higher level compared to 4.3).. the terrible backlight bleed round the edge of my display was visible... I hadn't noticed it before... this is the only bad thing about 4.4.2 haha..
[Moto G General] tyrexs:
http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=2605008

Yes, that's true. It doesn't bother me much though
[Moto G General] creambyemute:
Worth a thread? Gosh ppl are going crazy...
[Moto G General] helppme:
I don't know, but it was clearly worthy a reply, huh creamy?

this is the general section btw...
[Moto G General] techguyone:
You're missing the point. Here I'll help you...

Yes the post was valid & even quite useful - so well done you

Unfortunately...

There's already threads about it,if you had posted there, it would save cluttering up the forum with duplicate posts.

Cause yanno some of us actually don't relish going through posts trying to find the information we need and having to carve through a ton of needless crap to find it.

Maybe next time you fancy making a post, you'd be so good as to see if the thread already exists, and if so, then post on that?

Get it now ?
[Moto G General] helppme:
I guess I will never get it...

The Euro OTA thread for example has 100s of replies talking about many different iterations of the OTA update. I posted a specific to UK Retail OTA. I would argue that well titled, specific threads is the real answer. This will allow people to search effectively for what they want.

Anyone who has spent a large amount of time using the search facility on forums, knows the 'post' search within threads never works well. However the title search for threads works great.

It is definitely a bigger problem when people waste peoples time 'complaining' about non issues without really thinking them through.

When there are truly pointless or duplicate threads I totally agree and I've been guilty of this myself at times. I found the thread in the Q&A Section but it was talking about a different part of the audio problem so a new thread was valid. However, as I say, rather than arguing for the sake of it, posting p**sy remarks to people, why not try to find solutions for people who post questions?

I love XDA because it's not one of these forums where people scream 'noobs noobs.. use search,.. do you know nothing?' 'if you have to ask that, then xda and modding isn't for you' etc etc etc. Your attitudes is the beginning of a slippery slope toward this, so I hope it doesn't happen.

I hope you take my comments in good humour and 'get' my point.

thanks
[Moto G General] migueldbr:
Just use a screen filter app to reduce overal brightness by a percentage of your choice
[Moto G General] coursemyhorse:
OP, can you explain clearly what you think has changed between 4.3 to 4.4.2 on the moto G with regard to brightness? I am interested, but I do not understand in what mode you think it is brighter. Are you saying that in auto mode you think it is overall brighter? Are you saying that in manual mode when at the most left position on the slider in kitkat it is brighter than it was when at most left position on version 4.3? I cannot detect a difference. How did you measure this...purely on your perception?
[Moto G General] helppme:
In the interest of saving battery, I pretty much always have it on manual, set to minimum. If im in bad lighting or in the car, I set it to auto.

So, I had it set to minimum on manual under 4.3. At this level there was almost no perceivable backlight bleed when the screen was showing a black/dark screen (such as settings menu). I had never noted a problem as such with backlight bleed on this phone really.

I updated to 4.4.2. It was set to Auto brightness when it booted for first time. Back light bleed was striking and clearly a lot worse. I set brightness to manual, minimum. Backlight bleed was still very noticeable at the corners and at one edge of screen.

It's slightly subjective, but I'm in no doubt that 'minimum manual brightness' is not as low under 4.4.2 as it was under 4.3. I 'assume' that auto brightness doesn't go as low either, because:

If you are in a pitch dark room, and you change from minimum manual bright, to auto, the screen gets brighter, not the same or darker under 4.4.2..

I was searching other peoples findings and the link someone posted earlier in this thread shows the same thing more empirically..
[Moto G General] scott_doyland:
I think the issue is that the moto g forums have a lot of LAZY noobs. Being a noob is fine as long as people search before asking questions or making new threads. Everyone starts somewhere.

At the moment the LAZY people really are cluttering up the forums and threads. Look at how many posted just say they did NOT yet have the UK OTA. Complete waste of time and this is what is annoying the people who are trying to answer questions.

Being technically unaware is fine. Just being LAZY is not.

This is not directed at you, just trying to explain why people may be getting a bit annoyed.
[Moto G General] Darth:
Just get Lux. Problem solved.

Sent from my Moto X cellular telephone...
[Moto G General] raniero1:
actually in my moto g auto brightness is very low, if i install lux and put in auto modo i can see the the dusplay is brighter, do this happen to anybody else?

---------- Post added at 10:03 AM ---------- Previous post was at 09:48 AM ----------

ive also installed a backlid test and at 100% brightness theres no bleed at all, it looks pretty much darker, could be a problem of mine?
[Moto G General] BungleMX:
My moto g has 2% in minimal bright by Installing Xposed + gravitybox
[Moto G General] darkxchains:
Yes it's true
[Galaxy Note 3 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] ishanmu:
4.4.2 Update Can it Be Done On SM-N900W8?

IF SO PLEASE TELL ME!

AND is there a way to go back to 4.3 once updated ?
[Galaxy Note 3 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] radicalisto:
Still WIP

And No you cannot go back to 4.3.
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario General] juiceppc:
The new ROM puts that useless batt icon on the top bar and covers up my useful time display. Who approved that anyway?...

Is there any way to remove that battery icon...? I use Batti so it's pointless to have it.
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario General] bilbo_28:
I have been waiting for someone to post an answer to this problem since I upgraded a few weeks back. As far as I am aware no one has a solution yet.....
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario General] JNGold:
To quote "whimpy" from Popeye:

"I would gladly pay you Tuesday for a hamburger today".

This is something we all want! I want to know who's the crack smoker that decided to put the battery meter on the task bar?
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario General] juiceppc:
Yeah what was the point if you're just gong to leave the comm manager down there anyway... Also why did they cover the time?! Now I have to have the date displayed on my today screen taking up valuabe real estate just so I can see the time just by turning on my phone. They must have been smoking crack.

BTW does anyone know how to get rid of the comm manager down there. It's one little icon taking up a whole row...!
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario General] JNGold:
If I am not mistaken that's the Init_Tray.lnk in your startup folder. If I am not correct, please someone chime in.
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario General] jaingram:
Comm manager removal

It's the program in your startup, just remove it and it wont load
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario General] DREAMBOXER:
Yeah same here. Wish I could get rid of that stupid battery icon. I want to get rid of the time on the today screen and use it for something more useful again.

Screen estate is "expensive" - the person who finds out how to get rid of it will be my hero for quite some time :twisted:
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario General] juiceppc:
I'll pitch in 5 bucks(USD PAYPAL). :P
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario General] fowen:
I got $5.00 on it as well. I haven't upgraded to the latest rom because of this.
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario General] boboki:
I am happy to join the list of wanters ;)
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario General] bilbo_28:
I have been looking around some places and have a thought...... in the o2 Extended ROM there is a CAB file called "Signed_Remove_BatteryIcon.sa.CAB" I can't run this at the moment as I am at work and dont have a sync cable with me......

Anyone know what this CAB does? Can anyone try this before I get home?

The CAB is in the o2 zip on the FTP site, under Extended_ROMs -> o2
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario General] ZeBoxx:
This is likely to be the cab that removes the battery icon from the Tray (bottom of Today Screen). This is where the battery indicator lived pre-AKU2 on many devices.
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario General] boboki:
Just so people know, all the tweaks/hacks out thyere right now for this only removes the icon when in other programs, not out of the tray when at the today screen.
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario General] ZeBoxx:
And that's not even really a tweak/hack, is it? Just enabling the clock on all programs - an option in the clock configuration - does that, no?
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario General] juiceppc:
Correct.

We need to figure this battery thing out... Is it HTC that releases the ROMS or does Qtek and Imate make their own?
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario General] ZeBoxx:
Microsoft delivers the OS and APIs/SDK. More than likely, this is a change by MS. HTC adds the HTC-hardware specific drivers and basic hookups (e.g. all default button functionality, what to do when a built-in keyboard is activated, etc.). All the others do the branding, extrom composition, what's extra in the box, etc.

In the end, I guess somebody might post a quick message on one of the windows mobile MSDN blogs to see what the thought behind this change was, and whether it can be undone in any way.
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario General] jwzg:
My guess is that you'll have to roll back to the previous battery driver in order to get rid of it. If someone knows how to extract the driver from the first rom and put it into the second, we might get somewhere.
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario General] elyl:
Shhh!

Just shhh.
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario General] rxr:
Does this mean you're hiding something from us????
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario General] elyl:
No it means if you don't have a clue about something then don't theorise about it!
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario General] jwzg:
I said it was a guess...not a definitive answer. Seeing as no one has found a registry hack to remove it, then perhaps you'd like to shed some light on what you think it is rather than flaming someone who's willing to state an idea...even if it is wrong.
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario General] faria:
agreed.every project starts with a teory.
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario General] reejmond:
Shhh!

Just shhh.
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario General] elyl:
It is probably more involved than a registry hack. It is certainly nothing to do with a battery 'driver', since this would have absolutely no direct effect on the titlebar or the today screen. Because the thing is a battery meter does not mean it is in any way linked to updated "battery drivers"... thanks for your guess, but (and I truly do not mean to be rude) might be best to leave it to people who are a little more knowledgable. Every good rumour starts with a theory, or a wild guess.

Oh, and it wasn't a flame, it was tongue-in-cheek. Next time I'll be sure to embelish with gratuitous emoticons in order not to offend our thinner-skinned posters! :wink: :lol: :o :D :P
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario General] jwzg:
No real offense taken Elyl (I'm very thick skinned BTW, I just don't like arrogance). I just wanted to get a serious discussion going and throw out possiblilites. My reasoning behind that theory is that I've not been able to find any .bmp images that match that battery meter in the entire device directory (programs either). I have been able to find those for the "battery alert", "charging" and "none" as well as every other icon that appears in the title bar. Since the today bar is not in there either, the icon may even be an integral part of it, but the only way the meter can show full, half or empty is if something is telling it to do that.

I cannot work on this since I've got a second kid on the way in a day or two and am just basically swamped. Is there anyone out there who knows more that has any other info. That's all I'm asking now.
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario General] elyl:
Cool, as long as you didn't think I was being an ass, it's just a bit of banter.

Yeah, I suspect it is an integral part of the title bar. The fact that it's linked to the clock app makes me think it's gonna be more complex than some .bmp files, and is likely part of some .dll - I don't fancy using a PE hacker on every possible .exe and .dll in /Windows to try and find it, maybe one day when I'm bored. I've actually e-mailed the WM5 development folks (hopefully mikecal will reply, cos he seems to know all the most obscure stuff). I'll post here if I get any reply.
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario General] jwzg:
I figured as much. Thanks for the work...let us know what you find out.
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario General] ZeBoxx:
Congrats :)

Has anybody poked at the MSDN mobile blog people about the icon? I know somebody else here once did on a different issue and got a reply, but I wouldn't even know which of the blogs to poke at
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario General] boboki:
Being a MCSD and MCSE I get free support from M$.... I'll give them a call today and see if anyone knows anything (yeah right).
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario General] elyl:
Yeah, I've given that a try too, I posted a comment off-topic on one of the blogs, but no reply as yet.
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario General] boboki:
Sofar I have heard that it might be the .dll or driver....

Can we gank the old driver out of the older rom and try that?

I tried quite a few things today to make it work.... reg tweaks and hacks.... I even thought to try and add showicon to 0 in the drivers section.. no go. Tried changing the flags from 0-9 no go.

Found a powertray.exe which was disabled, so I just deled that key. Still no luck.
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario General] huangyz:
may be i should add 5Yuan(RMB,not US$) to this beg......
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario General] DREAMBOXER:
I will also pitch in 5 EUR ( PayPal ) to the person who gets this thing fixed on my MDA Vario with QTEK 2.18 (German)
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario General] vijay555:
Guys, looking at the treo rom:

they have a different battery meter. But this is done by emulation - they actually just map a new battery icon over the old one, and then stick a pseudo blank spot on the start bar (top bar) to fill the gaps (which doesn't work properly at VGA). Crap solution, but I'm thinking that if that's the best they can come up with, it look like the battery meter is quite heavily embedded in the rom.

We could quite easily write an app to do the same as the Palm rom.

V
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario General] boboki:
No fixes are BAD fixes... just some are better than others.

I will do almost anything to get that annoying battery out of the damn taskbar!
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario General] summiter:
Treo ROM request

Can someone throw the Treo WM5 ROM up onto the ftp? I want to pull some files out and see what I can come up with for the wizard.
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario General] Bubisch:
Anyone tried vijays file? Can you post some screenshots?
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario General] majdi:
i did, but iended up with two battery meters on top of my screen. ofcourse if you open any apllication you'll have both clock & battery endicator.

here's a snap of how it looks like.
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario General] boboki:
As a TEMPORARY workaround, I would like everyone to know wisbar gets rid of the icon (well overwrites it anyways). Just a FYI for those that cannot STAND that battery.

When I did that, I had to replace my spb....

So my replacements to get the same good feel were:

Wisbar (2.6.1)

Batti (http://pda.jasnapaka.com/batti/ )

and battery pack pro.

See? just to get rid of that damn battery icon I PURCHASED two programs, THAT is how much I HATE that (*(^* icon!
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario General] JNGold:
I rather have a responsive and quick device than load it with WA2 which is just a pig on a Wizard devices. I'll live with the battery meter.
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario General] boboki:
Oh do not get me wrong.. this is by NO means a FIX.... but a bandaid.

I hatehatehatehate that battery icon almost to the point I would rather have a slower device than that stupid icon.

My runarounds with MS have gotten NOWHERE and my runarounds on the ms community forums are equally worthless.

There has GOT to be a solution for this, and I am almost not beliving that MS would program something like that into shell, and not leave a way to rid of it... short of downgrading the os.

Of course, then again, this IS MS... the creators of MS BoB...... the worls largest flop software ever.... (finger on the pulse of the community? yeah right)

I will continue to try and escalate this problem to a DEVELOPER, but it really does take some time to get this done, when the problem is NOT a non-fuctional problem.

Lets keep at it guys, the more complaining and trying to fix, the better!
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario General] N!co:
Some very good work in progress over here:

http://xdaforums.com/viewtopic.php?t=45084
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario General] vijay555:
Bubisch: the files I posted are stolen from the Treo 700w. Not something I'd recommend, just a curiosity!

V
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario General] ZeBoxx:
Yeah, it is very nice - it certainly puts the clock back, which is the end-goal. It's not quite the same as removing the battery icon and getting the original clock back, however. That said, before somebody screams bloody murder again, yes - it's probably the best solution available yet :)
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario General] Sleuth255:
LVMTime + Treo700 battery icon =

Great Potential! I have SPB's battery meter running so LVMTime is pretty much perfect for me. The Treo700 battery is actaully quite nice in that it slowly drains in usable increments. Also, tapping on it gives a dialog showing the exact percentage of remaining power. This app + LVMTime would pretty much give you the whole ball of wax as far as startbar icons goes.

edit:

after testing, it would appear that LVMTime overwrites both battery icons so no joy. Also, it would appear that the Treo battery icon can't tell when the charger is disconnected on a Wizard. However...

Its a nice little app for sure. Even more importantly, as a POC, this little exe pretty much proves that someone could write something that combines the features of both to overwrite the lame battery icon with time display and an improved battery icon. It doesn't need to be a today screen plugin either.
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario General] cptcoconut:
There hasn't been a post to this topic in a few days... is anybody still interested in this? I've been racking my brain for a week trying to figure out a way to make this happen, and I nearly have it working. My solution does not cover up any of the other icons, and you can choose to use the built-in clock in the top bar, or use no clock, based on the existing setting.

Can somebody reply back so I can make sure that my device is working the same way you were all complaining about? I'm using the AKU2 test ROM 2.17 ... When I'm on the today screen, I have the battery icon, but when I'm running any other application I do not have the battery icon, and if I have the clock enabled it shows up in the top bar. Is that what everyone else has and would like to get rid of?
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario General] bilbo_28:
yes yes yes.... keep going and get rid of the battery icon on the today screen.........
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario General] boboki:
I am neigh out of solutions, but very much waiting for a fix!
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario General] boboki:
Reviving this topic to freshen developers minds.

I had to kill wisbar becuase it was just KILLING my mda... damn thing had some AWEFUL memory leak.... I was down to 5meg after 2 days, not to mention my poor device was slow as Helen Keller trying to color sort socks.

Switching gears.....

Perhaps it would be possible to OVERWRITE the battery icon in the taskbar with a picture of what the bar blank would look like. Then set it to back, so when you put another icon there, it shows on top of the old one? Has anyone checked if the icon itself is just a bmp? Perhaps killing the bmp would kill the battery alltogether.

Another solution.... we could port this thing to linux.. then run pocket ce over it though wine and edit the memory location out for the icon.... HAHAHAHAHA <--- dork

Being as I do not understand how the battery icon works, is this a possiblility? I noticed that when a program is running, the battery icon goes away. So it hit me, perhaps when a program is loaded the top bar goes into a different state.

If thats the case, can we trick the battery icon into thinking that the start bar is always in that state?

program not loaded = state 0

program loaded do not show battery icon = 1

force battery icon to think its always state 1

??

Grasping for straws here.
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario General] cptcoconut:
boboki,

Your last suggestion is similar to what i've been working on for the last week or so. i sort of have it working, but right now it's impacting today plugins, and doesn't work correctly when the device is locked with the "Lock Device" today plugin. If I can fix those problems I'll release it.
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario General] boboki:
Awesome! I would be happy to test it out some on my mda....

I currently am running the lvhtime program that was written earlier for a different purpose, and it is working GREAT....

I would like a more robust solution, and thus would be more than happy to beta for you.
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario General] mikey42:
What's lvhtime? I wouldn't mind running that in the interum :)
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario General] ZeBoxx:
they meant LVMtime;

http://xdaforums.com/viewtopic.php?t=45084
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario General] mikey42:
Great thanks! And I was thinking the search finally failed me.
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario General] bilbo_28:
Anything new on this? Been quiet for a week now....... Please don't tell me people are getting used to the battery meter and no clock?
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario General] cptcoconut:
I have an application that seems to be working well except when the device is locked. That pretty much sucks, because for me, my device is usually locked when I'm on the Today screen. I think I can fix that last bug, but I haven't got it yet. I'll release it when I get past that.
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario General] ZeBoxx:
Microsoft have addressed this for AKU 2.2 (currently sighted on Atom, apparently);

http://blogs.msdn.com/windowsmobile/archive/2006/04/28/586453.aspx
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario General] cptcoconut:
Thanks ZeBoxx, I saw that MS Blog post last week and forgot to mention it here. I had very little luck getting my app to work with the Device Lock plugin, and pretty much stopped trying after seeing the AKU2.2 info.

If there's anybody that doesn't use the Device Lock, or just wants the battery icon to go away when the device isn't locked, feel free to give this a shot. I haven't had any issues with it, but YMMV. Use at your own risk. Just run the application, then return to your today screen to see the effect. Run the application a second time to shut it down. If you have the clock configured to show in all programs (Start->Settings->System->Clock & Alarms->More), XZNoBatTry should show the clock on the today screen. If you have that disabled, the battery icon should just be gone, and all other icons shifted right to fill its place.

Let me know if you have any issues, I'll see if I can knock them out.
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario General] geek78:
works fine on my m600. thanks!