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[Xperia Z1 General] funky0308:
So...I was totally wrong...

It's Z2... Way tooooo soon if you asked me but I understand Sony, they have competition to fight...

So, let's buy new device ;)

God...I'll need three jobs and five salaries to be able to follow Sony ;)
[Xperia Z1 General] kraken000:
[MENTION=4918188]iRimas[/MENTION]

Will you now please extract Timeshift video and 4K for us.

Please please please.....

I'm dying!

#thehappyway
[Xperia Z1 General] Impala62:
The official price is interessting. 599€ in Germany. Thats cheaper then the Z1 with 649€ back last year.

http://www.sonymobile.com/de/products/phones/xperia-z2/
[Xperia Z1 General] funky0308:
Same thing here...

I said, I'll keep my Z1 but how....

I thought it'll be similar to Sirius shown here but it's better, stronger and it's great device...

I just knew that Sony won't release device with a same cpu and other things and it's really Z2...

Damm...I just have to go to Z2, I'm sure all great devs I'll go to Z2 because many of them stayed on Z or SP and been waiting for something like this...

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I really doubt 4K could work if we just extract it from ROM.

I doubt it could be extracted after all...

You know how Z1 has complex camera so for something like that we will need good developer...
[Xperia Z1 General] LitoNi:
damn i love the new live wallpaper... :laugh:

btw this is from my friend's friend:

like stated before, D6503 (Z2) was supposed to be the "actual" Z1. Sony named the C6903 as Z1 because they wanted to emphasize the "all in one technology," bringing all departments together as one. But either way, they down graded the specs and just called it Z1.

Some of you are still confused why such a small upgrade from Z1 can be called Z2, well Z1s was already taken because of stupid t-mobile, on top of that they were announcing Tablet Z2. It would be weird if they announce a Tablet Z2 and a Z1s, so Sony just went along and named D6503 as Z2 to go better with the Tablet Z2.

and for those who are complaining and hoping for a new design... wait till you see the IFA 2014 Z(3 or whatever it will be called).

in my pov, i think sony did a wonderful job here although it might not be able to compete with S5 and HTC whatever... this Z2 is only a refresh of Z1 to keep the sales up. True flagships from Sony will always be announced in the second half of the year, which is around IFA time frame.
[Xperia Z1 General] Bobeobi:
So, there is NEW audio-pin AGAIN, old handsfree such as amazing Mh1c is not comatible? Can u confirm?
[Xperia Z1 General] TheKingOfPain:
It's a smartphone, not GoPro Hero 4.

Plus, you do realize that 120fps recording doesn't automatically translates into "slow motion", don't you?
[Xperia Z1 General] Xajel:
It's still CTIA compatible, everything will work normally, though you will need special headphones to enable the built-in Digital Noise Cancelation... If you have a standalone Noise Cancelation headphones with CTIA plug it will work normally

the point is the new change will allow you to use NC headphones that does not actually have hardware NC... it's in the phone... my guess there's a special mic that take the outside sounds/noise and then the phone will repeat it inverted to cancel it from your hearing...

This will make Noise cancelation headphones cheaper and smaller & lighter ( no need for NC hardware and battery ), in the same time you will be able to use your favorite headphone normally...
[Xperia Z1 General] jonmorris:
Having seen the Z2 and seen some demos (will upload video later), I have to say that despite it not being a major step forward, there are just enough things to have convinced me that I'll almost certainly upgrade. The bigger screen is gorgeous and probably enough on its own, but the dual speakers are a close second.

But it still looks much like a Z1 and, to be honest, you'd be better off skipping this for the 'Z3' but sometimes you just can't be sensible!

The Tablet Z2 is great too.
[Xperia Z1 General] JanM RS:
[MENTION=4918188]iRimas[/MENTION]

Please upload system dump. ;)
[Xperia Z1 General] play3man:
I'm waiting for apk files with timeshift video and 4k video addons :D
[Xperia Z1 General] bamboohao:
Starving for the launcher...

Or is it out in the wild already? :p
[Xperia Z1 General] down4life:
We want kitkat right now :D
[Xperia Z1 General] funky0308:
I agree...

They can call this device Z15 but it won't be Z15.

I also think Z3 (H2...or whatever they will call it) will be released at the end of the year and that will be real reason to change Z1 for new device....
[Xperia Z1 General] JanM RS:
It has the same launcher?! Or do you see any difference?? :D
[Xperia Z1 General] kenneth93:
I think 2015 sony h1 flagship maybe is the reason for me to sell my z1 haha
[Xperia Z1 General] bamboohao:
I wanted the kitkat launcher which has the navbar and statusbar transparency enabled, the jellybean one doesnt has transparency enabled so when using a custom kitkat rom it just doesnt fit in :)
[Xperia Z1 General] Mr_President:
"Hate to tell you I told you sooo..." :cool:
[Xperia Z1 General] funky0308:
If you look developers you can see when it's time to move on ;)

Many of them are still on Z and SP devices...

There's no way they will "throw" money for "just" higher dpi or IPS screen...

I'm not saying Z2 is bad device, not at all but Z1 isn't present like it should be and Z2 is already out.

That will one spread developers on bunch of devices and end users who are counting on XDA devs will end with short sleeves.

Z2, Z1 and Z are similar devices but different enough to make our work harder.

For me, it's same if I build theme for Z and Z1but it won't be for Z2...

That's same for the ROMs, MODs and everything else...

But Sony has to make money and I understand that ;)

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Yeap...you were right...

But if you remember, I said that even they call Sirius Z2 that won't be 2014 flagships so we have to wait IFA or Sony event to know that.

Z2 is awesome device, that's absolutely true but is it enough to push Z1 from a flagship throne? Hmmm...I kinda doubt..

Don't get me wrong, if I don't have Z1, I would definitely buy this one but with a Z1 in my hands for less than a half year - I really don't think I will...
[Xperia Z1 General] busterlbn:
IMO It's not even worth of selling my current phone, and buying Z2. Too little differences. Just bigger display, a little bit better processor. Only 3GB of RAM is good reason, but Z1 is working well with 2GB. I guess 4K video will be ported to Z1 and other app stuff. I rather to wait for another flagship from Sony.
[Xperia Z1 General] kenneth93:
ya. For me, the z2 indeed is a good device and made me touch actually. However, if you want me to sell my 4 month old z1 to buy a new z2, i rather wait for h2 flagship or maybe 2015 h1 flagship as the Z2 only like a z1 with better screen, smaller bezel, and slight improved processor.:D
[Xperia Z1 General] funky0308:
I only hope, when Z1 get KitKat we won't stayed disappointed.

Qualcomm claims that S801 has 45% more "camera power" (don't know how to say that) so I hope Sony won't say - for users sake we won't be able to provide 4K recording....bla...bla...bla...
[Xperia Z1 General] Mr_President:
Ye I remember what you said :). But at the same time, what are worthy specs of the name Z2? Everyone thinks differently! Judging by the impressions I've read on websites and seen on YouTube it seems most of em' are satisfied. It DOES have a better SOC (SD801 aka 800AC), larger and better screen, front stereo speakers (which I btw think will be standard from now on, not just with HTC and Sony since mobiles are media heavy), 3GB of RAM +more. I highly doubt that HTC or Samsung will make a greater leap from current flagships to the new One and S5.

But whatever. I get your point, I really do. Personally I will get the Z2. And the only reason I'd go "Z3" or whatever the next one is going to be called is because it still has a 1080p res screen. 2K res is going to give less fps up until ATLEAST the generation AFTER SD805. And that's without considering the extra battery drain and barely noticable sharpness of the screen.
[Xperia Z1 General] funky0308:
I'm sure next

Z1 high end device will have S805.

This chip will be available at summer and I'm guessing next big thing from Sony will be even better...
[Xperia Z1 General] Steve_max:
That's the idea of a 6-month upgrade cycle. This Z2 is not meant for those of us who have a Z1: it's for those who stayed with a Z, or SP, or even earlier models. The idea isn't that everybody will upgrade every six months (that would make you pay about 100 euros per month to Sony just for the phone hardware). It's that different people will have a different upgrade cycle. One phone per year, one phone every 18 months, one phone every two years, etc. If they release a new phone every six months, they will always have a reasonably new piece whenever your upgrade cycle is coming to an end, so they will always be a good option. Like how the Z1 is still a great option for a new phone (dismissing the existence of the Z2), while the Galaxy S4 is already showing its age (on the Samsung lineup, the actual current flagship is the Note 3).

I'll hold on to the Z1 at the very least until this summer (winter for those in the North), probably longer than that. The thought of buying a new phone months after the current one makes zero sense to me, no matter how much better it is. I find that my money is better spent on other things than on funding every new phone that interests me.
[Xperia Z1 General] bamboohao:
That makes sense, but i just hate the fact that they cant manage to push an update to the end user with so many phone released, and there is a lot of fragmentation happen with this release schedule. The software support from sony didnt satisfied me, so i decided to get a nexus for my next device, although i would choose sony for no doubt if they had the same software support as a nexus have. But i have to admit though, Sony's design will definitely be my favourite of all time, this z2 almost lure me away from my determination of buying a nexus, i will see how they support their z line now before buying a new phone at the end of the year.
[Xperia Z1 General] rency_0722:
Kitkat arriving Q2 2014
[Xperia Z1 General] jonmorris:
There are probably millions of videos to choose from now, but here's a demo I got on the Xperia Z2 earlier today;

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9g-eWaMFQkc

I have to say it's an impressive phone and one that most Z1 owners would still wish to upgrade to, even though it really wouldn't made sense unless you could get a lot for your old Z1 or simply have enough money to waste. However good the Z2 is, just think that the better screen, speakers and so on will all feature in the 'Z3' in late Q3/Q4.

But if you only have an Xperia Z or haven't got any Xperia phone, then this is probably going to be able to give the Galaxy S5 a run for its money (a phone that I presume will also be Snapdragon 801 now, if not Samsung's own Exynos SoC, but have the QHD display).
[Xperia Z1 General] Shan89:
Let's indeed hope it'll be QHD cuz that will murder the performance and battery life on gs5 , it'll be same and even worse situation as it was with the s4pro + FHD ....pure fail , both HTC one 2 and z2 will be 2x more powerful then gs5 and have better battery if it's indeed QHD + you can forget heavy gaming on QHD , snapdragon s801 doesn't have the power to run it that good not even s805 has , on the other hand k1 has the power for QHD but then again that would put it in the same power level of s800 at FHD.

LASTLY and most importantly there will be literally no difference to an naked eye when looking at QHD vs FHD + even more funny fact is that it's AMOLED , all what QHD do for amoled is actually match the clearance of HTC One / one2 / z1/z2 not surpass it. It'll sound better on paper but in real world you won't even see the difference ...but you will definitely feel the impact on battery + gaming.

Imo I wish for sammy to release QHD , can't wait for reviews to slaughter it's poor performance vs z2/ One 2 , it'll be comparable with xz regarding performance lol :P
[Xperia Z1 General] jonmorris:
Seeing some more leaked photos, it looks like there's a cover on the USB port. Does this mean it will be water resistant or just that Samsung has lost the plot? Sure, we have to endure covers too on the waterproof Xperia devices, but then we also have the docks and magnetic connectors, so I rarely have to open any of the covers.

I still think, sadly, the GS5 will be the phone of MWC. I doubt anyone can change that. For one, Samsung has taken over most of Barcelona and its event tonight will be absolutely packed. People are talking about arriving even earlier than 6.30pm when the doors open (for an 8pm start) just to make sure they get in!

It's all hype, for sure.
[Xperia Z1 General] :
Display

So finally we saw the D6503 /Xperia Z2

after lots of rumor and lots of leaking from dear @iRimas

I will leave this thread and wait for Xperia Z2 forums.

- - - - -

Last opinion;

This Display seems to be one of the gr8est display so far;

Live Color + X-Reality engine

also go to this thread to compare Xperia Z2 with Galaxy S5

I hope XDA-Developers make Xperia Z2 forums asap.

c u there

:good:
[Xperia Z1 General] Shan89:
Yes that stupid and ugly thing is for the water resistance lol , here some pics of it.

If anything sammy is definitely winning the award for " ugliest phone ever made "

Anyway even tho z2 is great it still can't compete with samsung or HTC , z2 is just a minor upgrade from z1 , screen / speakers / better camera software.

All this HTC one had 1 year ago ...

The flash light still remains small and probably weak as on z1 and there's just nothing really innovative in z2 vs z1 , imo if I had z1 I wouldn't get z2 rather wait for z3 , but those who have other brands like myself HTC one or other ppl z2 is great upgrade , but ....then again there's gs5 and HTC one2 which will both offer more features then z2 did.

Imo Sony needs to work more on software innovation to compete with these 2. ( not saying software is bad it just lacks well features thy can be used with this powerful hardware )
[Xperia Z1 General] RHBH:
I'll probably skip Xperia Z2, unless I find it on a very attractive price.

The feature I am most looking for is move apps to sd card or bigger internal memory (or both).
[Xperia Z1 General] NewBieSS:
this only leak pics, noone can confirm this is the s5
[Xperia Z1 General] rency_0722:
Well with the recent turn of events. I'll just pass and look into the future with possible 1/1.5" sensor from Sony or maybe 1" if they can. Then let's talk with Sony again. :)
[Xperia Z1 General] ermond012:
I'm still over thinking about how great the Z2 is that it made me not to sleep from the time I got home from work and going into work (exaggeration that is but it's true). But for practicality I'll keep my Z1. Some of the good features of Z2 will be coming to Z1 when KitKat arrives (I have a strong faith on that). And should I get a Z2 right now I know I will be experiencing this again when the rumors about the H2 flagship starts spreading. Hahaha but that's true right. Everything will just keeps on getting better and better. Contentment is all we need.:fingers-crossed:
[Xperia Z1 General] bamboohao:
Wait, are there wireless charging on the sirius? No one seems to mention about it.

Also, which member of xda should i keep an eye on to know when the launcher is ported?
[Xperia Z1 General] iRimas:
Battery
[Xperia Z1 General] JanM RS:
Are you allowed to load up Rom now? ;)
[Xperia Z1 General] NewBieSS:
+ 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1
[Xperia Z1 General] negrobembon:
The Z2 looks awesome, has awesome features and the 3200mah battery is sweet but im still keeping my Z1 and I'll be waiting for the obvious Z3 by the end of the year

As long as the Z1 gets Kit Kat and some of the New features im happy with my Ex-flagship
[Xperia Z1 General] demonicangell™:
empty estimization 3hrs 47m with 98% still left ? :eek:
[Xperia Z1 General] pauley:
I can't wait to get this phone!

Specs online at Sony Developer World now.

Direct link to download the whitepaper

There's a D6502, D6503, & D6543. It looks like the D6503 will be what I need for AT&T LTE.

Supported networks (D6502): UMTS HSPA+ 850 (Band V), 900 (Band VIII), 1700 (Band IV),1900 (Band II), 2100 (Band I) MHz; GSM GPRS/EDGE 850, 900, 1800, 1900 MHz.

Supported networks (D6503): UMTS HSPA+ 850 (Band V), 900 (Band VIII), 1700 (Band IV),1900 (Band II), 2100 (Band I) MHz; GSM GPRS/EDGE 850, 900, 1800, 1900 MHz; LTE (Bands 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 7, 8, 13, 17, 20).

Supported networks (D6543): UMTS HSPA+ 850 (Band V), 900 (Band VIII), 1700 (Band IV), 1900 (Band II), 2100 (Band I) MHz; GSM GPRS/EDGE 850, 900, 1800, 1900 MHz; LTE (Bands 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 7, 8).
[Xperia Z1 General] play3man:
PLEASE man, upload 4k and Timeshift Video apk! Please!!!! Thanks!
[Xperia Z1 General] jonmorris:
There's a wireless charger for the Z2 in the Xperia catalogue at MWC. Obviously needs a different cover, presumably like the third party ones for the Z and Z1.

And I'm at the Samsung event now and shocked how ordinary the Galaxy S5 turned out to be. Nothing special at all!
[Xperia Z1 General] demonicangell™:
there is no way it will work right out of the box on z1 ..has to be ported for sure
[Xperia Z1 General] ThibaultAnd:
I hope Doomlord is working on it if he can, that would be so awesome :D
[Xperia Z1 General] play3man:
if it is because it needs new FW with higher FPS allowed.. yes. But if not, it is just simple apk which can be installed on all devices with social camera...
[Xperia Z1 General] ngvuanh:
So tempting with specs especially 4k capture.
[Xperia Z1 General] sebeqone:
I'm very curious about the battery life on Z2, I think it will be much better than Z1, maybe even comparable to Z1 Compact.
[Xperia Z1 General] ngvuanh:
I doubt battery life would be better just because it's bigger.

Since Z2 is more powerful and higher specs, Sony has to use larger battery to maintain standard battery life.
[Xperia Z1 General] AndroidDan:
Battery life would approx the same if z2 was running android 4.3 kitkat doesn't require so much power and the stamina mode is more efficient in the kk version from what I've read
[Xperia Z1 General] sebeqone:
I think that on Z1 the screen is the biggest power drainer, on Z2 it will be IPS (no screen lottery again?) which may be better for battery life. Just look at the LG G2, same battery, same cpu power and the average screen on time is higher by 1-3 hours.
[Xperia Z1 General] TheKingOfPain:
Battery life from whitepaper

Z2

Battery

Talk time (GSM) Up to 15 hours**

Standby time (GSM) Up to 690 hours**

Talk time (UMTS) Up to 19 hours**

Standby time (UMTS) Up to 740 hours**

Standby time (LTE) Up to 640 hours**

Music listening time Up to 120 hours**

Video playback time Up to 10 hours**

Battery (Embedded) 3200 mAh minimum

Z1

Battery

Talk time (GSM) Up to 14 hours**

Standby time (GSM) Up to 880 hours**

Talk time (UMTS) Up to 15 hours**

Standby time (UMTS) Up to 850 hours**

Standby time (LTE) Up to 760 hours**

Music listening time Up to 110 hours**

Video playback time Up to 6.7 hours*

Battery (Embedded) 3000 mAh minimum

I'll never understand these data... I mean, how can Z2 possibly last almost 200 hours less than Z1 in standby (GSM), which basically means GPRS/EDGE on, and more than 100 hours less in standby 3G and LTE? I guess the screen is not the biggest battery hogger, considering Z1 data are based on a 4.3 JB build and Z2's on a KitKat one.

That being said, I feel also sad about the SmartBand and some silly mandatory requirements:

Android 4.4

Bluetooth® 4.0 Low Energy (BLE)

Lifelog app

Smart Connect app

http://www-support-downloads.sonymobile.com/swr10/whitepaper_swr10_smartbandswr10.pdf

Launching in March, basically only the Z2 is supported. Good move, Sony, we saw the revision in the whitepapar dated... today!
[Xperia Z1 General] sebeqone:
As for the whitepaper standby time, maybe some testing procedures has changed since Z1 build time?

And for estimating screen on time, just look at the "Video playback time" values, Z1 6.7h vs Z2 10h, that's massive difference! :)
[Xperia Z1 General] tel033:
Is the IP67 better than sony waterproof /dustproof protection?
[Xperia Z1 General] Impala62:
No. The second digit is for liquids. There the Z2 is protected better then the S5

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IP_Code
[Xperia Z1 General] RHBH:
IP6X > IP5X for dust protection

IPX8 > IPX7 for water protection

This means that a IP67 device compared to Xperia ZR/Z1/Z2 (IP58) have better dust protection but ZR/Z1/Z2 have better water protection.

Ps: IP68 is the best IP certification.
[Xperia Z1 General] krabappel2548:
But difference between 5 and 6 for dust protection are quite small. Also Z series don't have removable battery so dust won't get in easily :)
[Xperia Z1 General] Mambobuzzz:
So nothing about D6603 ? :( Is it still to come ?
[Xperia Z1 General] Ben Ling:
Probably will be in March...

And also the D5103
[Xperia Z1 General] Mambobuzzz:
Ok, just speculating ? Or is there any "proof" of it now ?
[Xperia Z1 General] Djuro89:
Z2 VS Z1 SCREEN COMPARE

Z2 use IPS lcd --- BETTER Video playback time

Z1 use TFT lcd

IPS is better for battery life.
[Xperia Z1 General] gravtec:
I do not think most users will switch Z1 to Z2, but certainly otherwise users will switch to Z2 like me.
[Xperia Z1 General] izzet3838:
Better dust proof less waterproof

The first digit is for the dust proof the second one for the waterproof so the s5 is better dust proof but the z2 is better waterproof
[Xperia Z1 General] Levered:
Sony @ Jakarta events
[Xperia Z1 General] rency_0722:
Ot: seems the Same-Sung GS5 will also be getting its own suite of camera apps. Looking at the Download on its camera menu...

Screenshot came from Engadget's SGS5 preview.
[Xperia Z1 General] SirRobin78:
It would be great if someone can upload the background images - love that new color of standard theme!
[Xperia Z1 General] Ben Ling:
what background image ?

The Z2 Live wallpaper ?
[Xperia Z1 General] SirRobin78:
Yes, background images and livepaper :)
[Xperia Z1 General] bamboohao:
Is it possible to get the static live wallpaper? @@
[Xperia Z1 General] AndroidDan:
Would love the live wallpaper but no doubt on compatible with 4.4
[Xperia Z1 General] iRimas:
New Firmware Certified for Z2

http://www.ptcrb.com/vendor/complete/view_complete_request_guest.cfm?modelid=24754
[Xperia Z1 General] funky0308:
Yes...can't wait to flash that...hehe :P.
[Xperia Z1 General] Ben Ling:
can you upload some apk or ask DooMLoRD to make them work on 4.3 ?
[Xperia Z1 General] heorung:
Waiting the camera review of Z2
[Xperia Z1 General] Publicglutton:
Great news that there will be NO Anti-Shatter Film on Xperia Z2 and Xperia Z2 Tablet :highfive:, another BIG plus for the Z2.

Here:-

http://www.xperiablog.net/2014/02/25/no-anti-shatter-film-on-xperia-z2-and-xperia-z2-tablet/

I think that if you did NOT purchase the Z1 then the Z2 is well worth the money, if you pre-order you also get a wireless NFC speaker the Sony SRS-BTX300 for free worth over £100 :good:
[Xperia Z1 General] l00ter2011:
Dropbox folder dead

Typically my luck:crying:

Why did you take them down irimas?