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[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario General] Freedom:
Update

Okay so here I am again. I haven't touched the phone all day since 09:00 and its now 23:00 and 50% dead. This means I might get 1.5 days out of it. I think this is appauling and seriously under what they quote it should be. Apart from the minisd which was removed for this test there is nothign different. So fantastically I now have a device that doesn't have a large ammoutn of memory and a wait for a new vario to come in :)

HEHE at least it gives me time to play with this one and if i brick it - oh well :)

Any ideas though why the miniSD card reduced life by half!?!?!?
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario General] byronsp:
Just to say

My O2 Mini was repaired, 17.30 it was 100% and 7.30 it was 58% with no usage, no bluetooth, no wireless, no grps, no mini SD

Upgraded Rom to latest and still no change so back for repair it goes

It basically 1.5 days on standby til it goes all the way down!!
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario General] Freedom:
SD Card

Okay, so it's still runnning good and power draw seems minimal - I'm gogin to charge it tonigth and out the SD card back in. If it ****s it up i'm goign to be pissed off and SanDisk are going to get a nasty little call sayign i want my money back and then a nice little order from MobyMemory seeing as no one has said they have problems with their cards...
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario General] jt_armstrong:
Battery Life

Freedom

Have you updated your ROM yet? You mentioned that you were on the 1.16 version. When I upgraded to the 2.17.7.2 WWE my battery life improved significantly. In fact at the beginning I thought the battery reading was faulty cause it seem to stay on 100% for a real long time.
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario General] Freedom:
No I have not upgraded the ROM yet. I want to but am just so dam scared of bricking the bloody thing. I'm gogin to take the plung tomorrow nigth I think so any advice greatly appreciated.

Have already CID unlocked the phone so thats a start I suppose - but then again that was piss easy :)

Is there any way to back up txt messages and apointments etc or is it just a case of syncing it with the pc and then restroing after rom update...

I just need to trawl through the site for GPRS and SMS settings for T-Mobile UK now :)
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario General] jt_armstrong:
Battery Problem

Hi Freedom

The ROM that I have used is available here ftp://xda:xda@ftp.xda-developers.com/Wizard/Roms/Tmobile . The file name is CUSTOM_RUU_Prodigy_2170702_217_20710_TMO_US.exe

It is effectively a QTEK release that has been tweaked by xelencin to replicate T-Mobile functionality so you shouldn't need to apply any tweaks for SMS or GPRS (at least I didn't but I do appreciate that you are in the UK so maybe there will be some.) The update is real easy to apply and includes a CID unlock function. I have upgraded 3 units so far all with no problems. Good luck
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario General] thephm:
There is also an archive on the ftp server with the uk T-Mobile extended rom cab files ... You can work out which ones you need to add to get sms and gprs working. That is what I've done, though I'm still running the stock rom.

So far yesterday over a 12 hour period with a bit of wifi and about 15 mins of calls my vario is on about 85%
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario General] Freedom:
I now have this ROM (CUSTOM__RUU_Wizard_1050412_WWE_101_11210_WWE.exe) on my MDA Vario and it seems to work better. The only thing that concerns me is that it seams to have downgradded the OS version. I know this ROM was custom picked for stability but is it all the best it can be? Is it worth me upgrading to the latest ROM (RUU_Prodigy_2170702_21707102_20710_QTEK_WWE_Ship.exe)?

Although on a good note my battery seems to last now like it should...

Regards
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario General] grinny11:
i dont know how for sure this is but i remember reading a loong time ago on some thread that people were having problems with battery life after flashing the rom when the battery is not fully chareged. my last rom update had 70% charge and poor battery life. i then reflashed with a 100% charge and get much better battery life. maybe u guys can try that
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario General] William Yeung:
I strongly feels its TSR programs (haha DOS age terms, TSR basically means program that stays in memory).

There are couple source for such program:

1. Sucks custom rom implementation by mobile carrier (I tried O2 Mini S rom once, never wanna look back again... that O2 thing just horrible with many O2 icons...) The best rom I found so far is from Qtek, Dopod or i-Mate, basically I would say manufacturer rom are better than carrier rom due to the reason they dont put in junk customization for specific network.

2. Today- thats famous thing, many today addins indeed does poor programming. If you keep sending a loop to the OS and put the thread under mode that even runs when device is suspended, self explainatory.

3. Network subscription program. Once a while a friend of mine installed Egress without turn of the auto sync for x minutes, then his device (dell x50v in this case) draw battery like waterfall.

My suggestion is to upgrade to latest Qtek/Dopod/i-Mate rom. I think Dopod rom is now very good one (finally patch, thanks for mercy dopod....), leave your unit clean and then test. Even I have bluetooth on I think I got about 2 days battery life with moderate calls. Also a good sign of leakage is your unit drawing a lot battery during suspend. My unit takes only a few percents when I have turn it suspended.
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario General] byronsp:
I got my machine back, sytill battery life on standby lasts approximately 36 hours, upgraded rom to latest o2, no o2 customization, no screen, no phone, no bluetooth, no wireless, in fact no software at all and only synced with my contacts. I have Mini Sd card in but that has negligable effect.

The worst thing is it said roughly 35% whilst I was showing pictures then refused to turn on whatever I did. Had to use the AC adapter.

so back it goes again, and O2 will say no fault. They sent it back "repaired" and upgraded to the latest software but clearly did not test it (or even put the latest software on!)

Would upgrade to another rom but dont want to invalidate my warranty.
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario General] Tezcatlipoca:
How long have you had it?

Why don't you demand a replacement instead of a repair? If you're in the UK, you should be able to make noise to O2 about the Sale of Goods Act, etc etc., & demand a replacement.

Quoted by someone on another forum I use, from a thread about some other faulty goods (dodgy XBox360s):

http://www.tradingstandards.gov.uk/

http://www.bbc.co.uk/consumer/guides_to/goods_index.shtml
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario General] akash84:
Hey all,

Joining you guys now I think, noticed the last two days I had to charge twice and I've actually made one call and sent/recieved about 3 sms msgs and thats it!

Bit about the unit, its a genuine Qtek with the latest Qtek firmware:

Rom: 2.17.7.2 WWE

Date: 2/10/06

Radio: 02.07.10

Protocol: 413.1.03

ExtRom: 1.3.2.102

I'm not sure on how to upgrade the Extrom and protocol and radio although Rom i suspect is upgraded when I did the firmware upgrade last month.

I charged it overnight 2 nights ago, took it off charge at 6am, got to work, finished work at 4:30pm and noticed the battery was 47%.

So i've charged it again over night and I will let you guys know how it goes. This is a sudden thing because its been fine since the firmware upgrade for about a month.

Software installed:

Resco explorer/registry

Registry Wizard

Pocket Streets

SMS delivery report fix

Thats it.
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario General] Freedom:
To akash84

In your cash this seems light memort resident problems. Try doing a good old hard reset on your machine and see if it clears things up a soft reset might even help...

**Backup all data first**

To All

I want to upgrade my ROM now, using a T-Mobile MDA Vario with stock ROM and finding reception very poor, which ROM would you advise that I use? I just can't decide with allt he different versions lying around and it seems that I shouldnt even hold my breath for a T-Mobile update in March 2006 - lol :D

So what do you think, the newest QTek 2.**** ROM?
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario General] akash84:
I've done a hard reset 4 times this month in experimenting various things :)

But I think i might reflash the firmware and once i find the correct ExtRom... i'll do that

i can only find 2.18 on the ftp not 2.17... i thought 2.18 was dutch?

Just an update, i've lost 20% in 3 hours doing nothing at all and its been off
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario General] TauTau:
I have the Qtek 2.17 installed now (which most poeple here seem to), but reception hasn't improved. I also have quite bad reception, and the PDAir Aluminium case worsens that....

Lars

PS: Is there something like Batti for reception? would be better than those tiny 4 bars...
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario General] Freedom:
Hmmmm....

I am getting fed up with this device now tbh - the battery problem got fixed with a new device (exchange) but my reception has got worse...

I'm goign to upgrade to the QTek 2.17 then when i get home tonight if no one suggests anything better by then.

I read somewhere that if you open up the vario and cut the tinfoil in half (reception attena) then you get better signal - would rather not do this unless someone knows somethign of the side efefcts e.g. bigger SARs levels :/

Also, T-Mobile seem to think I shoudl have excellent video coverage in my area but I don't even get a phone signal and they don't seem to understand...

I personallyt hink it is just the device as a T-Mobile Razor v3 seems to get maximum signal strength in the same spot (with my sim card in it!).
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario General] notpj:
just want to add

i have confirmed that some programs actually DO drain the battery

i was trying out a lot of today programs

spb pocket plus

pocketbreeze

phonealarm

pocketOOZ sketchit

wisbar advance 2

one by one i removed them from my today screen but nothing improved my battery life

one day i uninstalled all of them, including some other programs like o2sms plus and vito button mapper AND IT WORKED! im getting good battery life now.

btw i'm using the sandisk mini-sd card

now, my problem is, i don't know which of those 7 programs is the culprit!

my new agenda now is to upgrade my rom with the latest from dopod (i have the dopod 838) and then one by one install these programs and watch :)
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario General] notpj:
update:

SPB POCKET PLUS IS THE ONE THAT DRAINS BATTERY ;)
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario General] korayem:
Ditto that on page 1 :D

BUT, if you just use it without the battery, memory and disk usage meters, it will work like a charm. I use it only to hold my shortcuts to programs. And ofcourse there is nothing with shortcuts that will keep the CPU alive.
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario General] korayem:
Nope...that wont help at all.

What I do is, keep phonedashboard off my today screen. I put it back for 10 minutes to update then remove it again.
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario General] syalam:
how much battery life does pocket plus drain? i was thinking about getting it
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario General] notpj:
i didn't believe that at first, i said that just to confirm, once more... and i was wondering if there are more program (from my list) that drains the battery too.

now more update: i just tried out sbsh ilauncher, and phonealarm, and my battery is getting drained AGAIN! i think the little option in ilauncher that shows the battery life/memory usage on top drained the battery like spb pocket plus. i turned the option off but my battery is still getting drained. i i uninstalled the app and STILL my battery is getting trained. i'm planning to do a hard reset, once again...
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario General] sunnycheng:
OK, I just bought the O2 Mini S a few days again, and already seeing this affect. I have upgraded the ROM to the O2 ROm v2.21.4.101 posted on XDA FTP, but the battery life still sucks! I pull the plug @ 9am, and it's @80 @ around 1pm, and after a few minutes of tweaking and wifi usage, it goes to 70%. I check when it was 4pm, it's @58%, which means it won't last even for a day for me..... unlike what the specs promised.

I just want to confirm, could this possibly be a HARDWARE problem? or is it just simply a software issue? Because if this is a hardware problem, then that would suck, because I don't think the dealership knows the problem anyways....I hope we can find the root to this problem soon.

Hopefully is not hardware......because FREEDOM mentioned his problem was fixed with an exchange.......and I don't think I will be able to get an exchange..
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario General] Bratag:
I have had this issue and for the most part it is now resolved. Firstly disable anything that puts a battery monitor at the top of the screen. This is the largest culprit. Second SPB Plus also seems to drag battery life, switching to iLauncher from SBSH and using their method to poll the battery was much mroe efficient.

Lastly - owing to a bug in the OS if you remove the phone from charge while it is charging and use the phone (especially if you have to soft reset or put it into standby repeatedly) The % charge can jump from whatever it was when you removed it to 100%. This results in sudden drops in battery life as it levels back out to the actual battery % charged.

I make a point of trying to not interrupt charging. As a result I try and do full cycles (let the phone get low and then full recharge overnight) OR I do several small charges during the day.

Lastly I find that the first 60% of my seems to drop rapidly but the next 40% takes longer.
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario General] sunnycheng:
OK, So I guess this is not a hardware problem then. But the fact that SPB Pocket Plus is part of the cause is weird, because I use it for my O2 Mini, and it didnt' have any dramactic effects, and I am sure alot of ppl are using SPB Pocket Plus for their Wizard or Charmer, and it has no effect to this battery drain issue. Any body using a wizard with Pocket Plus and has no battery drain issue?

I hv upgrade to the AKU2, it seems to have improved a little bit..but it's not significant. I just finished charging @ 6pm. Didn't play with it at all, only 5minutes of Wifi, and it drops to 85% @ 11:00, is this normal?

I'll see how it goes tonight and post.

I am really concern about this as I cannot get a refund nor exchange for this.......so if I have to life with this battery drain problem, that would suck real bad.
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario General] yozh:
I would charge my phone and the battery is full lets say at 10pm I go to sleep nothing is on except the direct push and ofcourse edge is always on. Wi-FI is off, pocket plus is running and I have the today plugin turn on. at 7:30am the battery is down to 76%. Now tell me does this seem normal to you ? when I use data the battery seems to drain like crazy.
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario General] FreakinSyco:
I find that an EDGE connection even when not in use kills my battery. Hold the end key for ~4 seconds to stop the edge connection.

Try going for a day connecting only to EDGE when needed and pressing the power button to put the phone in standby as soon as your done using it. My battery lasts DAYS (like 3 on average). Also I always use my phone to completely dead and charge it on the wall charger overnight. I never use my computer or car to charge my phone.

Heck I did a full charge yesterday morning (overnight). I used the phone as regular all day yesterday (turning it to standby when not in use, and no edge unless needed). I watched a full 2hour length movie yesterday evening (just to see the quality that pocketdivx produces). Let it sit on standby overnight. Now today at 11am I have 72% battery life.
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario General] yozh:
Wow thats good battery life, but the reason that I use edge all the time is due to direct push
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario General] FreakinSyco:
I still think you might try not using edge except when you need to just to see if that isolates the battery issue down to an open edge connection.
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario General] yozh:
Yeah maybe I should try that for 1 day, turn of the direct push to see how it does
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario General] Thomas1234:
I just wanted to ask : What is exactly the EDGE connection ? I bought the Qtek9100 just few days ago, and the battery stayed alive for 3 days, I even used it to update the ROM and played with it really hard and used TomTom too, 3 days at least.

Another Question : I just noticed that if I wanted to install a program using ActiveSync and the USB cable, the Battery get charged, is there any possibility to avoid that the battery get charged when I connect the PPC wih my PC using the USB Cable ? Because I don't like charging and stopping, this gonna affect the battery through the time... What I do - and did before with my Cell Phones - is Charging the Battery to full and remove it from the Charger as soon as it finishes, thn use the phone till the battery gets 0% empty, and I don't charge my battery if it isn' total empty, this keeps your battery in good condition.
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario General] yozh:
Not true those memory days are over
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario General] Thomas1234:
yozh, if you read the PDA's manual, about charging the battery, you'll notice that they mention the following : "Some Akkus work the best when you charge/empty them fully several times" ... I am sorry to say that thi memory days still exist. I just posted my experience and believ me, my Akkus stay with me at least 3 days with normal use.

But my 2 above questions are still standing and hope for any answer, thanks fo any comment.
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario General] yozh:
Hi well to answer your question, EDGE is high speed GPRS or Enhanced GPRS EGPRS. "HI-Speed" internet thru GPRS.. And trust me the memory days are gone , those things are sugestions, yes you might get few extra days out of your battery if you disgarge it all the way down..... But with a device like MDA that you sync with your PC all the time how can you drain the battery ? also if you want to use TOMTOM the battery will go out in about 45 minutes with Bluetooth on and the backlight always on + proccessing the directions. So trust me if those days were here, our batterys wouldnt even last for 2 hours even in stand by.
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario General] Thomas1234:
Fisrt , thanks for answering my questions...

Second, this info about Charging/empty the battery fully isn't a "memory days" at all.. They still exist. The battery will get drained and damaged through the time when we charge it before it is totally empty or when we stop the charging before it is 100% full... Well any cell Phone/PDA's manual suggest that till today, my last cell Phone was Nokia 6630 ( have it since 2 years ) and the same suggstion, its battery still stand for at least 3 days/normal use ... The same happens with thi Wizard's battery. Of course there are differences between the today's batteries and the "Yesterday"s Batteries, but the difference is just the capacity, now they can hold longer than before.. That's it, the battery remains a battery. I wish someday they produse something that don't have to be charged at all and then we can gt rid from thi battery issues.
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario General] yozh:
If you had to remove the battery everytime when its fully charged I would of trown away my phone long time ago, I charge the phone when I sleep and did the same with nokika 7610 and 3650 and they both were fine on my nokia 7610 battery would last for a week with out charging, with alot of phone calls, what you dont understand about this phone is the amount of power is used for data and the screen, the 3 days lasting you is great but how much do you use the phone ? how much do you use the PDA features, do you browse online ? DO all those things and tell me how long the battery will last, also please understand the memory days is when you charged the battery before its fully drained and the battery would remmber the place where you started cahrging and would not go below that anymore so that would make the battery cahrge that much less thats what I mean about the memory days....
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario General] Tezcatlipoca:
Re: The memory effect, charging before empty, continuing charging after full, etc etc.

There is more to a battery than capacity.

The Wizard uses a Lithium Ion Polymer (LiPo) battery. This type of battery is an advancement on the Lithium Ion battery (Li-Ion).

Both types of Lithium ion battery (Li-Ion & LiPo) are much better than previous types of rechargeable battery, such as Nickel Cadmium (NiCad) & Nickel Metal Hydride (NiMH).

NiCad & NiMH batteries suffer from the "memory effect", & are recommended to be charged fully & discharged fully, & should not be overcharged. They also have self-discharge problems.

Li-Ion & LiPo batteries do not suffer from memory effect. They do not need to be fully discharged before charging, & they do not need to be fully charged. You can charge them before empty, & you can stop charging before they're full. They can be left plugged in after charging to 100% without problem. Also, fully discharging a Li battery before charging it can decrease its capacity.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lithium_ion_battery

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lithium_polymer_cell
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario General] Thomas1234:
yozh mate, I was talking about Charging while it isn't empty yet and stoping the charging while the battery hasn't been charged 100% yet, this two things what I was talking about in my posts above, but for safety reasons I don't let my battery too long in the charger when it is finished.

The proof is : Why the companies still suggest that in their manuals ? Ofcourse because they know what damages the battery and they know how to keep it in good condition for long time.

And no, I didn't browse internet yet using my Wizard, bu I launched TomTom for about 15 minutes, called and recieved calls, used the Camera, played solitaire, figured out some functions and menus.. etc.. and the result was 3 days. But what I have read in this post is incrdibly scary, what I saw here is not about using, they loose about 25% without even touching the device, some said they charge it fully, then leave the devise on standby mode and they go to sleep, when they wake up the battery is @ 80 - 85 % ... This is really not normal, in my case I won' loose more than 5% of it.

Taking care of the Battery is one of the most ways to avoid such bad issues. IMO.

EDIT :

Sorry I posted this before seeing the Tezcatlipoca's post.

Thanks Tezcatlipoca for your post, is really usefull, but the following disappointed me :

I really can't believe or take that, from my experience and from the suggestions that I read everywhere in any Phone's Manual to discharge the battery fully several times... I mean the new phones which use Li Batteries... My last one was Nokia 6630 ( an UMTS Phone ) uses this kind of battery and its battery stand at least 3 days with normal use, one day I launched TomTom for 3 hours and the battery stand 1.5 day. My brother had Nokia 6600 ( it uses Li battery too ) and he wasn't caring about leaving the battery in the charger long time after it gets 100% charged, and he wasn't discharging it fully, never did.. What happened ? His battery died in short time, wen to a Nokia Shop and they replaced a new one for him, he did what I suggested him and his battery is still alive and works great.

Well I could say the experience differs from this Quote. I don't know which should I take.
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario General] yozh:
Dude its true read the manual again for the wizard Tezcatlipoca is 100% and the wiki is the proof and has nothing to do with the charging/discahnrging. Thanks Tezcatlipoca