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[Other SmartWatches] Zuber:
Just got an email from Damien at AI Watch.

Initial round of first 100 coupons finished. But the important bit:

"but I decide to continue and create for XDA community members new coupons.

I create a new coupon for Developers only : They will need to write me or to A.I Watch Team a email with a little portfolio about their latest apps developments.

They will able to choose any A.I Watch model they will want and they will receive it Rooted with the SDK.

Second coupon is for all the XDA Community Members, they will need just to send to A.I Watch Team (contactATaiwatchtechDOTcom) an email with the model of their choice and will receive back a Special XDA coupon."

I'm assuming if you can show a genuine Dev. angle, then you get a bigger discount voucher...

If you fall into that camp, may make more sense to just sign up on the forum as well and send him a PM.

First post will be updated accordingly.
[Other SmartWatches] NachTSS:
Isn't it on the indiegogo page?
[Other SmartWatches] XandroidX:
It is too bad the the developer Loki and Damien have a disagreement.The A.I watch could benefit from some good developer talent...so the SDK is ready?
[Other SmartWatches] Zuber:
Yes. I did have a go at reconciliation, but didn't work. Just a truce. Maybe after a bit more time has passed...

I know Loki would have liked the 'show us you are a dev' element on the dev. discount coupons.
[Other SmartWatches] vectron:
Since we are on a subject, usually devs like Loki who jump into rooting of a new device get their dev samples complimentary directly from a vendor ;)
[Other SmartWatches] Zuber:
Yes, but you only get the flaky prototype free. Still had to pay for the final (flaky) version. Might even get in in the next couple of months :)
[Other SmartWatches] LeighR:
LG Optimus 3D. Stock was 1GHz, quite a few stable kernels were overclocked to 1.4GHz. I never got mine any higher than 1.4 but some guys reported 1.6 and 1.7GHz.
[Other SmartWatches] XandroidX:
The A.I Watch website has been slightly redone with a new render of the watch incorporating the 5MP camera. Also, the watch designer is asking feedback because he is considering adding a 4th button to the watch for taking pictures/video
[Other SmartWatches] vectron:
Doesn't matter about the camera MP or extra button. Just speaking from Omate experience the location of the camera to the right is absolutely useless :(

I wish everybody would start moving their cameras to the top, facing outward. Doesn't have to be built into bracelet like Gear, but something like this toy watch (just introduced by VTech for 7 year old kids with games and camera) would be sufficient:
[Other SmartWatches] Zuber:
Briefly owned a Samsung Gear, and sitting here moving my arm around pretending I have a watch on my wrist (not good, I know).

Not sure if I agree having it mounted at top edge is necessarily an advantage. More pros and cons.

Better in terms of easily seeing the screen while taking a pic. But in terms of orienting it to take pics. I reckon side edge is probably better. I think there was Omate clip somewhere, showing recording while driving for example.

But both are rubbish really...

What you really want is something like the Neptune Pine (unclip from wrist) but more compact. Though even there, I can see a disadvantage in not being able to record video while strapped on. So still want an edge mounted one as well.
[Other SmartWatches] vectron:
Neptune us not a smartwatch, it's a smart-wrist-phone ;) Completely different category. Removing something off your wrist to take a picture defeats a purpose of smartwatch camera. But I prefer not to start this off topic argument ;)

Regarding camera orientation on AI Watch and Omate vs Gear, I can tell you from first hand (or bent wrist lol!) experience that it's extremely uncomfortable to take pictures because you can't clearly view the display while extending your arm that way. You can kind of use it as POV video camera but constantly have to be aware where you pointing it, and again, it's a very uncomfortable angle for you wrist/hand.

Don't take it as a negative comment since all these watches use pre-designed pcb layout with a pre-defined camera placement. Just hoping in the future new models will come out with improved camera placement pointing out at the top of the frame.
[Other SmartWatches] dedesuper:
A.I Watch

Hi Vectron you are right I am also thinking that the emplacement of the camera of the gear is more practical for taking pictures but It have also some negative points and can do some problems placing the camera in this position:

1.Recording Videos in my view Is better where A,I Watch camera is located specially when you are driving....

2.To add a camera in the band is risky due to the connections to the PCB with the time it may have bad connections and dont work anymore but also the side of the watch is the part that a watch is the most exposed to shock when you wearing it.

3. 5MPX Camera will be not possible to add it on a band or on the top of the case the component is still to big to fit there and will deform the design.

The objective of A.I Watch Camera was always for video and the heart rate monitor and other apps, taking pictures is a +, but now also considering that more seriously and we considering to add a another button for the camera I think it will be much more practical in this way instead pressing on the screen.

The PCB dont have a pre-designed layout for the Camera, I can put the Camera where I will want in A.I Watch, belong the A.I Watch spec the PCB was designed.

Best Regards

Damien Douk

A.I Watch Creator
[Other SmartWatches] deuceja:
A camera that can be adjusted something like a slider or a swivel would be ideal that way your wrist would not be uncomfortable the down fall to that would the over time it would begin to be very loose and would not be sturdy but yet a great ideal
[Other SmartWatches] vectron:
Hi Damien, nice you jumping into the discussion!!!

What I meant is not the placement of camera like in Gear, that's not practical because you can't replace the wrist band. I mentioned in the previous post another location, like in that toy VTech watch for kids. Here is another picture of it:

Do you see the camera is at the top of the frame, not the side. If you can place it in there on your AI Watch - it will be awesome!!!!! Keep the same 5MP camera, but just move it over there. Just think about it, how many people will be using the smartwatch camera while driving which is dangerous anyway vs a super practical everyday use of taking pictures and quick video shots from that outward facing position where you are in better control of where you pointing the camera and can easily use 1.54" screen as a "viewfinder"? Please, consider that!!!!
[Other SmartWatches] deuceja:
Why not have the watch body swivel like a dial of some sort have the screen rotate accordingly and it wouldn't matter where the buttons are nor the camera if it could rotate 180 degrees problem solved all users are happy
[Other SmartWatches] vectron:
Good idea, but the only problem you will need to add a docking base and some locking swivel mechanism, and all that will add to the thickness of the watch. It's feasible, but will add to the thickness, will add to the cost, and will create a mechanical part that can break over the time. Therefore, not the most practical solution.
[Other SmartWatches] deuceja:
Okay that is understandable
[Other SmartWatches] dedesuper:
A.I Watch

Hi Vectron

Thanks for your reply and deuceja great idea the only problem it will increase a lot the thickness, change to much the design and with the time I agree that it can break over.

Vetcton I understand where you mean the problem is that a 5MPX camera will not enter there and if it will, it will deform the design and increase the longer of A.I Watch.....

If you see well in the picture the kid watch have only a 0.3 megapixel camera and its start to coming out a little so just imagine a 5MPX how it will be, the Maximum to add there at my experience is a 2MPX and even a 2MPX not sure that it will not deform the design also what the point to put there a camera if it will not be a enough good quality camera ?!?!

When I design A.I Watch I work a lot on how A.I Watch will fit on every wrist, high rigidity the case will be, comfortable, have a look of a luxury watch suitable fashionable for men and women to wear and dimensions similar to an ordinary watch with the most powerful hardware in the world ever created in a smartwatch and I admit that it was not a easy challenge.

We review and reduce now some parts that I was not satisfied with them because at my taste they was not fit every wrist well on the way we review the ID/MD and checking now to add a button for the camera and the torch to be more practical.

when we will finish I will upload pictures and show the difference.

Best Regards

Damien Douk

A.I Watch Creator
[Other SmartWatches] javaguy44:
Damien,

I sent an email to your Contact Us page and never got a reply. When are you expecting to ship? I want to buy a smart watch...and am considering the AI Watch but can't find an indication of your ship date.
[Other SmartWatches] dedesuper:
A.I Watch

Hi javaguy44

Thanks for your question, its strange that our Team did not reply to you, in our side we are trying our best to reply each email in 2 Business days maximum.

We actually reviewing some parts of the case to adapt it more on every wrist and making some adjustments, we almost finish all the revisions, after the Chinese New year we will start the production of the technical samples and after go on mass production.

I will be able to know a more precise date after the Chinese New year.

Note also that your A.I Watch Pre Order will be not charge until your A.I Watch is ready to be ship.

Before Pre ordering your A.I Watch send me the model of your choice and I will send you a special pre order coupon.

If you have any question dont hesitate to contact me directly to my email : damien@aiwatchtech.com

Best Regards

Damien Douk

A.I Watch Creator
[Other SmartWatches] Zuber:
I know someone posted a question about dimensions on one of the previous pages. So I think the following (from AI Forum) would be useful as an indicator of current expectations, as opposed to old indiegogo campaign data. Posted by Damien today.

"I can confirm today that we succeed to reduce a lot the longer of A.I Watch so it can fit better every wrist, the longer now is 60mm (Curve) including the 2 plastics on each side of the case instead of 71 mm, so you can have an idea on how much is 60mm : the longer of the Galaxy Gear is 57mm, it is a big step that we make and now not only A.I Watch seating much more better on the wrist but also have sizes similar to a normal watch, look even more like a luxury watch, like I design it and more as I imagine it."

Briefly owned a Galaxy Gear, so I'm quite comfortable with that.
[Other SmartWatches] XandroidX:
A.I Watch updated renders. Redesigned a bit to better fit different wrist sizes.

Looks like they will incorporate a clasp instead of a buckle
[Other SmartWatches] mghtymse007:
Looks really good! One of the better looking concept designs I've seen in a smart watch. Good job! I have this type of clasp on my current watch...very happy with it.

Will the chrome part be available in different finishes?

Is there any hardware/wires in the band? If not, can there be any possibility for a model that allows for clients to change out and customize with a standard 20mm-24mm band?

And the most annoying and obvious questions...what stage are you at with the new prototype? What is the production/shipping timeline? Please be realistic...
[Other SmartWatches] XandroidX:
From what I've seen it looks like only a chrome finish will be available but there will be different colors for the watch band
[Other SmartWatches] NachTSS:
Yeah I wish it wasn't chrome because it will get scratched and look bad then x.x other then that it looks good.
[Other SmartWatches] Zuber:
Updated the pics on front page for the new design. But worth looking on the AI Watch website for more pics etc.

If this thing looks half as good as it does in the pics I'm going to be well chuffed.

I know what you guys mean about the finish. Looks great, but also shows up scratches etc. once they happen.
[Other SmartWatches] kuronosan:
Once again, all concept pics...no video.

Can't gauge how something is if we don't see it working.
[Other SmartWatches] dedesuper:
A.I Watch

Hi kuronosan

Videos, pictures you will get them after the Chinese New Year when the technical samples came out....

Make a list what you will want to see I will do my best to make it happen.

Best Regards

Damien Douk

A.I Watch Creator
[Other SmartWatches] kuronosan:
Just anything running on it would do.
[Other SmartWatches] mghtymse007:
A video showing the general UI and functionality would speak volumes over pix.

And, taking into consideration the possible delays, but if I'm going to support your company...please, share your production timeline. Won't hold you to it, just would like to know what (best and worst case scenarios) the plan is. If you want, break it into quarterly progress...ie. 2014Q1- prototype to final

2014Q2- production to shipping

Etc
[Other SmartWatches] dedesuper:
Hi mghtymse007

I will definitely consider that and will be able to know more precise date after the Chinese New year when the technical samples will came out.

There are always significant challenges in manufacturing and delivering any electronics product at scale.

Mass manufacturing isn't the same as prototype development, we have to make sure they are secure and reliable, and also most importantly that they can be manufactured efficiently at mass volumes as any product.

Best Regards

Damien Douk

A.I Watch Creator
[Other SmartWatches] NachTSS:
[MENTION=5285966]dedesuper[/MENTION] is their any chance of it not having a chrome casing? As that will look nice until it gets scratched then not look so good. Unless you can add a layer of something to it that will make it anti scratch? I don't know but after thinking about it im a little worried about catching it on something and getting scratches allover it. Also on that note I forget if I asked what kind of glass is on the screen is that scratch/shatter resistant?
[Other SmartWatches] XandroidX:
Regardless of what the screen is made of it's bound to get scratched, the Omate Smart Watch users are already reporting scratches on the sapphire coating that the watch has. As far as the AI watch I'm putting a screen protecter film on as soon as I get it. A good screen protector like Phantom Skinz is so clear I can barely notice it on my GS4
[Other SmartWatches] kuronosan:
Uh, what users have? No users I've heard of.
[Other SmartWatches] mghtymse007:
LOL! I know, right!

I think he is referring to the first +/-800 EU, 1g/4g backers.
[Other SmartWatches] Zuber:
I think I can remember spotting 2 or 3 across mentioned various sites. 1 was Prototype, 1 was Production model. Not sure if 3rd was a repeat or new. But I'm inclined to agree even for Omate I'd go with getting a screen protector. Might have to be DIY cut to size for now though.

Maybe AI could bundle some screen protectors as standard. Cost should be negligible...

I asked about shiny finish (for those not on their forum). Real not so shiny as render and final material selection is to be decided, so may go with different finish. But don't think we will get an option to choose.

For videos, out of date now, but there is a channel with the old prototype on it from Indiegogo campaign :

http://www.youtube.com/user/aiwatchsmartwatch

Dates would be nice, but I figure my Omate wasn't likely to turn up till March/April at best anyway...
[Other SmartWatches] dedesuper:
A.I Watch

Hi NachTSS

Thanks for your question

Actually checking 2 different Brushed stainless steel one more shiny and less brushed and the other one more brushed less shiny, both looking good but the final decision will be made when the technical samples will came out with the materials on them.

I will know after the Chinese New Year when the technical sample will came out.

The Stainless steel look very shiny just because its a 3D Render and the environment and game of the lights make it very Shiny....

For the Screen : If you notice well on the reviewed design on each side the case go up a little in curve, we did that to protect the screen.

To make A.I Watch scratch proof was definitely need to make it in real Sapphire Crystal but the price is very high and not sure that the consumer will want to pay this high price, so I think the best solution is a good quality screen protector film will definitely make the work.

Best Regards

Damien Douk

A.I Watch Creator
[Other SmartWatches] NachTSS:
The old prototype was a watch that already existed for sale some Chinese watch

---------- Post added at 11:47 AM ---------- Previous post was at 11:43 AM ----------

Omate true smart has sapphire crystal screen tho or at least a coating and their watch is around $299

So how more expensive would it be?
[Other SmartWatches] dedesuper:
A.I Watch

Hi NachTSS

Thanks for your reply

Sapphire Crystal and coating is 2 different levels.

Sapphire is highly transparent, extremly hard, and highly resistant to scratching. You could drop your smartwatch from very high heights and it still wouldn't shatter. It is also highly transparent at the visible light wavelenght.

But the cost might be an issue around $400 for a 1.54" diameter sapphire glass and for a curve sapphire touch screen will cost even more.

The Gear have a sapphire coating touch screen and after running some test on it it is easily get scratched.

So I think the best solution to protect your screen is a good quality screen protector film.

Best Regards

Damien Douk

A.I Watch Creator
[Other SmartWatches] NachTSS:
[MENTION=5285966]dedesuper[/MENTION] will you be getting screen protectors made ?
[Other SmartWatches] dedesuper:
A.I Watch

Hi NachTSS

I am considering that because I think its actually the best way to protect the screen and will check it after the Chinese new year,

I will verify different qualities and suppliers.

Best Regards

Damien Douk

A.I Watch Creator
[Other SmartWatches] NachTSS:
I think it would be a really good idea to include a few if possible :)
[Other SmartWatches] XandroidX:
New Omate scratched screen

Post by LHS

http://www.omate.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=18&t=255&sid=49bfdcd85f32587ac1d7f6d577885cc9&start=10

And

http://www.omate.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=632&hilit=scratched&start=20
[Other SmartWatches] kuronosan:
With no explanation as to how. And that's one person. Not plural.
[Other SmartWatches] XandroidX:
Here is another

http://www.omate.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=592&hilit=scratch

---------- Post added at 07:17 AM ---------- Previous post was at 06:58 AM ----------

Don't get me wrong but I don't think sapphire coating is bad I just don't think it's 100 percent scratch proof. I would not trust it as much as I would a full piece of sapphire crystal like my Citizen Eco Drive has
[Other SmartWatches] kuronosan:
So two users. Still no explanation on the scratches.

Sapphire glass is only resistant. Not proof. Complaining about this is like complaining about water resistance.

I see where you're coming from, I would just rather people not be misinformed.
[Other SmartWatches] Zuber:
Bit like Gorilla Glass when it first became well known on phones. Everyone thought indestructible, but now, niceand reassuring, but put a screen protector on.
[Other SmartWatches] mghtymse007:
Ok...so...hang on a min here...are you saying that the TS only has a layer or coating of sapphire protection?? What happened to the "$500 Stretch Goal #1"??
[Other SmartWatches] speedyink:
Actually if you read the second one the user says it's very scratch resistant, much better than gorilla glass (although not as good as a full panel of sapphire crystal). The note at the bottom says he was wearing it while mixing 60 bags of concrete.
[Other SmartWatches] kuronosan:
Ah, that did indeed explain the scratch then.

---------- Post added at 10:45 PM ---------- Previous post was at 10:44 PM ----------

Go ahead and try putting a touchscreen inside a thick piece of sapphire glass.

A thin layer is still more resistant than no layer.
[Other SmartWatches] speedyink:
Yeah. I can't imagine a majority of people mixing concrete with their smartwatches on =P
[Other SmartWatches] redgs95:
Watch protection

I think that Damien needs to talk with Armor Suit. I use them on the Galaxy S2 and the S4 phones. the screen protectors are flexible and they absorb shock. I had my s2 knocked out of my hand while taking a video of an outside concert and it protected it from a 7ft fall onto pavement. If I was to purchase the watch that would be the first thing I would search for to protect the entire watch minus the band and buckle.
[Other SmartWatches] Zuber:
Aren't those type of all over protectors quite expensive ? They just seemed over priced to me for what you got (and what they probably cost to make).
[Other SmartWatches] redgs95:
I paid $15 with free shipping on amazon for my s4. The carbon fiber one and if I am not mistaken the all clear on is cheaper.

I just checked and the clear one is only $13.
[Other SmartWatches] Zuber:
Not as much as I thought. Last time I checked for something like this it was more like $45 though that might have been with high postage. Might be 'Branded' vs 'Unbranded'.

Watch sized version should be much cheaper as well.

Does it look ok, or does it look like you haven't bothered taking the packaging off :)
[Other SmartWatches] redgs95:
My carbon fiber looks great. The clear looks great as well because it has a clear piece on the home button. It all but disappears and its so close to the edge that it really doesn't look like the packaging (i hate that stuff).

I would think that the price would be lower because of the amount of material used and the ease of cutting it. I mean it is a watch. It shouldn't be any different from a phone just smaller.

I just remembered that it also comes with a lifetime replacement.

This is from the amazon page.

Compatibility - Specifically designed for the Samsung Galaxy S4

Long-Lasting Protection from Scratches, Bubble Free, Significantly Reduces Dust, Oil & Fingerprint Smudges

Exceptionally Clear & Smooth Glass-Like Surface

Self-Healing Technology & Military Grade Material Designed to be Ultra Tough for your device

ArmorSuit Lifetime Replacement Warranty *Made in the USA*
[Other SmartWatches] dedesuper:
A.I Watch

Hi redgs95

Thanks for your suggestion and taking your time to post a picture.

I know well the factory that producing for X-Shieldz and Armor Suit and after the Chinese New year they will propose me different screen protectors to test.....

Best Regards

Damien Douk

A.I Watch Creator
[Other SmartWatches] redgs95:
Your very welcome for everything and I hope this watch launches soon. I am very interested in it.....:D
[Other SmartWatches] dedesuper:
A.I Watch

After the Chinese New Year I will make videos soon as the technical samples will came out and of what I see all will go more faster....

Best Regards

Damien Douk

A.I Watch Creator
[Other SmartWatches] deuceja:
I'm too anxious to see the videos. Can't wait to see my investment in action. How close would you say the model that you will do the video on will be to the final production of the watch.
[Other SmartWatches] dedesuper:
A.I Watch

Hi Deuceja

Normally the design of the technical sample will be the closer of the Final production model, still dont know if it will be with the final materials because now I am checking in my side different Stainless Steel one more brushed and a another one less brushed, for the software, I am actually working on different themes and our developer work on A.I assistant, so I still dont know if it will be with the final software....

Best Regards

Damien Douk

A.I Watch Creator
[Other SmartWatches] Lokifish Marz:
The specs and info in the "Official AI Watch Supported Development Topic" thread is exactly what devs and tech geeks like to see. Thank you for that.