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[Galaxy Note 10.1 (2014 Edition) General] dpersuhn:
In a market that turns over product annually, the dollars they stand to lose if a customer defects instead of upgrading can be staggering. Apple has lost 4 generations of ipad sales for both my girlfriend and myself, and will lose all future iPhone sales once my contract is up due to poor customer facing choices. While Samsung hasn't done a perfect job, they haven't done anything I've seen as outright offensive yet. Abandoning a premium device a few months after introduction in favor of a new line that adds no hardware capability, but just swaps out some software and maybe changed the labeling of a button would fall into the offensive category. How could any of us have future confidence spending premium dollars on a flagship product from a company that doesn't fully stand behind its products through a reasonable life cycle?
[Galaxy Note 10.1 (2014 Edition) General] BarryH_GEG:
The N10.1-12 has been stuck on 4.1.2 for close to a year. S Note's format was changed starting with the N3 and N10.1-14 so old S Notes can't be used on new devices and new S Notes can't be read on old ones. So if you have a N2 and N10.1-14 and want to share S Notes and the Scrapbook with your tablet you'll need to upgrade to a N3. If you have a N10.1-12 and N3 you'll have to upgrade to a N10.1-14.

Here's 47 pages of N10.1-12 owners voicing their displeasure; many making comments similar to yours.

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=2481738

I had a N10.1-12 and sold it and bought a N10.1-14 because I wanted "fresh" software, hardware, and features and for my tablet and N3 to be compatible. So I'm feeding the same cycle you're saying will turn people against Samsung. If the Note|Pro 10.1 ends up replacing the N10.1-14 I'll sell the latter to get the former thus further perpetuating the cycle. How it affects Samsung in the long run depends on how many people like me there are vs. how many people are like you and the 47 pages of disgruntled N10.1-12 owners. :)
[Galaxy Note 10.1 (2014 Edition) General] micro17:
hi

did somebody mention this?:

http://www.samsung.com/global/microsite/2014galaxynote10.1/mobile/feature.html

Its on their official website :) no worries guys we get the update ;)

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[Galaxy Note 10.1 (2014 Edition) General] dpersuhn:
I bought the 2012 edition because it was the only reasonable platform with a stylus and followed it up with the 2014 purely because of the updated screen, which I considered to be the primary shortcoming of the 2012 edition. At this point, if Samsung decides to deprecate my 2014 in favor of a new note pro of the exact same spec, I'll move to a platform with a much longer life cycle between planned obsolescence iterations and get a surface pro. At least with a full Windows install, I won't have to wonder about being left behind at the hardware manufacturer's whim.

It's not ideal, but the whole notion of a 500+ dollar tablet being something I'm expected to replace annually just to remain current with software updates is insane. It's one reason I wish Google would really just reign in Android and dictate some standards to the manufacturers so that we would get system updates directly from Google. Let hardware manufacturers bundle their drivers, UI, and bundled apps as a modular package that can be separated from the core OS and have Google manage that directly. I know it would have its flaws, but that certainly would curtail a lot of the issues associated with manufacturers failing to provide timely updates or support the platform over a more reasonable life cycle.
[Galaxy Note 10.1 (2014 Edition) General] Geordie Affy:
Nice find :good: - There we go! Now people stop worry and stressing :p
[Galaxy Note 10.1 (2014 Edition) General] fyew-jit-tiv:
For the last few days I been looking for accessories for this device. I ended up speaking to Samsung UK to complain about the lack of accessories for this devices to only be told the new note accessories are being re-designed to support the USB 3 connection as all Samsung devices from here on will carry the USB3 connection. So I asked about the10.1-2014 only being micro USB2 and he basically said we wont be seeing much accessories at all for this device. I kind of got the impression that although this device is only around 4months old is going to see the EOL way before its time.
[Galaxy Note 10.1 (2014 Edition) General] thomlh:
So that's what they are working on :)
[Galaxy Note 10.1 (2014 Edition) General] micro17:
Just for documentation here a screenshot of the samsung Website showing the Magazine UX feature on our galaxy note 2014:

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[Galaxy Note 10.1 (2014 Edition) General] Geordie Affy:
Yeah atleast we can stop talking about this app button lol, I found it hard to believe they would stop a huge update due to an app button, what they plan doing with that doesnt bother me as long as we get KK.

I really have a feeling they will keep the Note 10.1 2014 a seperate line from all the rest pro devices. Well they wont be releasing a Note Pro line anytime soon - well thats what I reckon. Anyways Just have to wait for us to get the update now....might be a long wait.
[Galaxy Note 10.1 (2014 Edition) General] noellwhelan:
20 46885852

is there any chance Samsung will ditch all of us and this product, with no update, instead they ask as to sell our N10-2014, and buy their new note 10.1 pro ?
[Galaxy Note 10.1 (2014 Edition) General] fyew-jit-tiv:
I think they will. In the UK its hard to find a 4G Version, can't get the 32GB version. Not many stores are stocking the 16GB version (Pcworld, Carphonewharehouse etc) and the fact that all the new notes are equipped with USB3 and NFC and the 10.1-2014 hasn't. Add all this up and I think Samsung are going to do an EOL with the 10.1-2014. They may well replace it with a version 2 which comes with USB3/NFC etc.
[Galaxy Note 10.1 (2014 Edition) General] reubenskelly1992:
But isn't that just the my magazine we already have??
[Galaxy Note 10.1 (2014 Edition) General] toyanucci:
There is no note pro 10.1. They announced the TabPro 8.4, 10.1 and 12.2 and a NotePro 12.2.

Only their 12.2" tablets have usb3, all other tablets are usb 2. Plus Verizon is releasing their lte note 10.1 2014 shortly so this can't be EOL for the note 10.1 2014.

It clearly states "Magazine UX" on the page posted. This is not the my magazine app.

Also, why in the name of sweet baby Jesus would they go through the trouble of putting this up on their website if they didn't plan on releasing the update? The update is clearly coming so as an earlier poster said, we can stop panicking and speculating.
[Galaxy Note 10.1 (2014 Edition) General] foo:
What kind of accessories are you refering to? There is a charger, MHL adapter and a USB-OTG adapter available. What kind of accessories are you missing that are connected by USB?
[Galaxy Note 10.1 (2014 Edition) General] BarryH_GEG:
Well, there you have it. Here's the non-mobile link, it's easier to read.

http://www.samsung.com/global/microsite/2014galaxynote10.1/index.html

So in the updated microsite the N10.1-14's simply referred to as "Galaxy Note 10.1." That kind of solves the problem of renaming devices in people's hands (dropping the use of "2014 Edition" doesn't change the name of the product) while fitting better with the "Pro/Note" naming applied to the newer tablets.

That Samsung's added M-UX to the N10.1-14's features would mean, at least to me, that the 2014 Note 10.1, our device renamed, will be

the

10.1" Note for 2014. A couple things are still not answered via the updated microsite:

Is the 2014 N10.1 going to receive all the "Pro-level" features or just a custom version of M-UX? For example, will we get Hancon Office and RDP or will Polaris and other legacy N10.1-14 apps that have been superseded on the Pro's just be "M-UX'd?" Not adding "Pro" to the 2014 N10 could be simply dancing around the naming of an already launched tablet (meaning, it's a "Pro" just not called that because of its history) or that the 2014 Note 10.1 is a hybrid running a custom version of M-UX/TW modified around existing pre-installed s/w and a capacitive "menu" button.

Speaking of the "menu" button, does our "menu" button retain its current function via a special 2014 N10.1 version of TW/M-UX or now serve the same function as the "app" button on the Pro/Note's? I'm hoping that while not spelled out Samsung's literally making the N10.1-14 a "Pro" and that it's identical in features and s/w to the other Pro's.

Regardless, its excellent news and likely means what's in our hands will be Samsung's 10.1 Note offering for the foreseeable future so we're not being orphaned. If this was there plan all along, how hard would it have been to say so at CES or in the blizzard of promotional materials touting the 2014 premium tablet line (which the 2014 Note 10.1 is part of)? Samsung's a strange company when it comes to both strategy and communication.

P.S. - There's a bunch of stuff in the microsite that's not been updated (EG: 2014 Note 10.1 runs 4.3). It just means the copy on the site's not been fully vetted yet.

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Only the 12" tablets have USB 3.0. Minimum wage staff on the back-end of chat, e-mail, and phone calls are probably the least reliable source of future information.
[Galaxy Note 10.1 (2014 Edition) General] noellwhelan:
well... thank you for explaining, so glad... so the worst scenario, we will get magazine UX, and best scenario, our device will be rebranded as Note 10.1 Pro.
[Galaxy Note 10.1 (2014 Edition) General] BarryH_GEG:
I don't think (WAG) there will ever be a "Note|Pro 10.1." Samsung sort of screwed themselves by not originally naming the N10.1-14 "Note|Pro 10.1" (even without M-UX which they could have unveiled later when they announced the rest of the Pro/Note line-up). Same thing with not giving the N10.1-14 a "app" vs. "menu" button even if at the N10.1-14's launch it performed slightly differently than it would in the long run when M-UX was introduced. Now their stuck with 1-2M pre-Pro/Note tablets sold (us) which they can't rename after the fact while they're trying to slot-in a 10.1" S Pen-equipped tablet in to their just announced 2014 line up which have different s/w, a different capacitive button, and a totally different naming convention. What happened in between the N10.1-14's announcement/launch and the introduction of a pretty radical direction and new tablet strategy just four months later that caused this anomaly may never be known. Like I said, if they launched our device as the Note|Pro 10.1 and then released a "premium suite" that added the Pro/Note stuff missing at launch that would/could have made all their 2014 tablets similar in naming, positioning, features, and pricing. Now in between "TabPros" and "NotePro's" you have the "Note 10.1" that, at least in name, is neither. Outwardly this seems like it certainly could have been handled better with a little forethought applied last year when the N10.1-14 was announced.
[Galaxy Note 10.1 (2014 Edition) General] RoseTyler:
Soon: Copyright 2014 Samsung. All rights reserved. "Soon" does not imply any particular date, time, decade, century, or millennia in the past, present, and certainly not the future. "Soon" shall make no contract or warranty between Samsung and the end user. "Soon" will arrive some day, Samsung does guarantee that "soon" will be here before the end of time. Maybe. Do not make plans based on "soon" as Samsung will not be liable for any misuse, use, or even casual glancing at "soon."

:cool:
[Galaxy Note 10.1 (2014 Edition) General] BarryH_GEG:
Hysterical. One positive thing, it's actually made it on to the site so at some point M-UX should arrive. We should all take screen caps of the site in case the M-UX reference mysteriously disappears. But for that matter the N10.1.14/2014 Note 10.1 could itself disappear. ;)
[Galaxy Note 10.1 (2014 Edition) General] ramsv94:
Here seems to be solid proof the Magazine UI will be coming to Note 10.1 2014.
[Galaxy Note 10.1 (2014 Edition) General] SlimJ87D:
The Note 3.0 getting 4.4 soon makes me feel like our time is soon.
[Galaxy Note 10.1 (2014 Edition) General] alynch75:
LMBO Samsung mail yeah right

of course they will say that to keep people buying the current supply. They said real soonfor all devices in the past.....guess what ....... some updates never happenec or happened after 1 year behind every one else.
[Galaxy Note 10.1 (2014 Edition) General] BarryH_GEG:
The difference here is that the update benefits Samsung more than us. They have a S Pen-equipped tablet that sells for more (and they make a higher margin on) than the Tab|Pro 10.1 that, as it stands, has better/newer features that Samsung made a huge deal of to the press. So their choices were update the N10.1-14 (to a yet unknown degree) or kill it and launch a "Note|Pro 10.1." Why do you think M-UX appeared so quickly on the microsite? It's so sales of the N10.1-14 don't crater while people wait for the newer tablets or to know what Samsung's plans are/were for the N10.1-14.
[Galaxy Note 10.1 (2014 Edition) General] noellwhelan:
asa new sammy's user, i've never imagined a company like samsung would lie at their website to lure us for clearing Their stock.

unless, they changed their mind like RIM did with playbook by promising bb10 update, then simply cancel it in the name of very low user.
[Galaxy Note 10.1 (2014 Edition) General] Geordie Affy:
I don't think they are lying as such as hopefully we get the update soon but why are you surprised it's a company like any other, they don't really care about the user's it's all about the €£$ and that's a fact. Just a few months back samsung along with apple had to pay huge fines in China over dirty tactics - this is why I don't really care about any company I just buy whatever I think is the best product at the time.
[Galaxy Note 10.1 (2014 Edition) General] Kimerus:
I think we will get the update soon, the site is real and samsung is a serious company. I hope so. If not, i won't buy any other samsung product!
[Galaxy Note 10.1 (2014 Edition) General] lorenzo.themax92:
Look like a samsung developer have been reading this discussion.. :laugh::good:
[Galaxy Note 10.1 (2014 Edition) General] BarryH_GEG:
I was thinking about this today and here's the issue. When Tab/Note|Pro users open up their boxes and take out their shiny new toy it'll be unconfigured; meaning they'll have to set it up from scratch which includes all the new integrated M-UX interface features. All of us already have our devices configured. Samsung can't just blow away what's set up on existing devices and replace it with a "square one" version of M-UX. They'll have to come up with some way of taking our traditional home pages and integrating them in to the M-UX interface. That's hard. I have seven standard Android home pages with 22 widgets. What if that's above the M-UX limit? How if my home pages are preserved will I get access to the five M-UX pages when clearly I'll be over the limit of total home pages (traditional and M-UX) supported? I have no clue what the answers are and how Samsung's going to approach the migration but it's got to be a ton of work; certainly not as simple as turning on a shiny new Tab/Note|Pro and setting it up from scratch. Just food for thought as we're estimating a date for the update.
[Galaxy Note 10.1 (2014 Edition) General] rajackar:
That won't be a problem.

The launcher will support traditional app and widget layout so it can just keep what you have and update your samsung widgets with the new square ones.

Also, older HTC devices got the update to sense 5 which is very different so releasing updates that change the experience a lot are not unheard of.
[Galaxy Note 10.1 (2014 Edition) General] GeorgeP:
I would think they would use an approach similar to what they do with the S4. On the S4, there is a Setting for "Home screen mode," which gives the user two independent UIs and associated sets of configuration settings (Standard mode and Easy mode). In the N10.1 2014 update, they could implement a settings option for magazine and legacy modes.
[Galaxy Note 10.1 (2014 Edition) General] BarryH_GEG:
You kind of missed my point and, unless you're a Samsung developer with inside knowledge of the underpinnings of M-UX, have no clue whether or not it's going to mean a "problem." I certainly don't and only raised this issue because some people seem to think our update to M-UX is going to be any day now. Clearly Samsung hadn't really thought through how the N10.1-14 would fit in to their 2014 premium tablet strategy when they launched it so it's a bit premature to think M-UX (which is complete) was designed beforehand to support migration from the traditional TW we're currently using. The point I was making is that there's a big difference launching a device with a specific configuration pre-installed and moving an existing device between configurations. Can it be done? Sure. Is it going to require work? Yes. Is it going to take time? Absolutely. And, at least from what I've seen, M-UX is a pretty radical change from the existing TW we're currently using.

You mentioned HTC. Sense has been a pretty tame evolution from version-to-version with most of the change being aesthetic not infrastructure and HTC's taken more out than they've added. BlinkFeed is nothing more than a stand-alone app that runs in parallel to Sense. M-UX is a replacement or at least a major revision to TW, at least it looks that way based on what I've seen so far from CES. There have been unconfirmed leaks of the SGS5 getting a new UI also. It'll be no easier to move N3 and SGS4 owners to it than it will to move us to M-UX. You can't just slam existing users "stuff" in to a totally different s/w approach and let the chips fall where they may.

P.S. - I've product managed large-scale h/w and s/w products and s/w version migration is probably one of the nastiest challenges because it's difficult or almost impossible to account for every possible configuration a user on the platform being migrated from has come up with. Do it wrong and you bork customer's devices, create a ton of bad will, and create an enormous amount of support calls to the contact centre.

That was designed in to TW before the first device launched. It's also an exception, not the rule. Maybe we'll end up with a "traditional" mode and a separate "M-UX" mode. If we opt to use the M-UX mode it could pop-up a warning that you're existing configuration will be reset and you have to start fresh. Pure conjecture on my part.
[Galaxy Note 10.1 (2014 Edition) General] fyew-jit-tiv:
what's the bet this device don't see KK (4.4) before the release of the SGS5....? I mean this is Samsung we are dealing with here.
[Galaxy Note 10.1 (2014 Edition) General] aburns7487:
What are people's thoughts on the 12.2 note pro? I love my note 10.1 2014 but the usb 3.0 has me intrigued since recharging takes forever on microsd.
[Galaxy Note 10.1 (2014 Edition) General] fyew-jit-tiv:
My thoughts are very simple... Samsung are complete retards for not delivering both the 10.1.14 and the Note 12.2 both with KK 4.4 and the 10.1.14 with USB3.0.

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At the same time .
[Galaxy Note 10.1 (2014 Edition) General] BarryH_GEG:
USB 3.0 isn't what helps charging speed; it's Qualcomm's Quick Charge feature on S-800 devices. So any of the new tablets that use Exynos should perform like ours. Speaking of which, the battery on the 12" Exynos versions will take forever to charge because of their increased battery size unless Samsung does something differently than they have on the Exynos N10.1-14 and N3.
[Galaxy Note 10.1 (2014 Edition) General] aburns7487:
Very informative Barry. I admit I didn't know that. I thought the usb 3.0 technology allowed it to charge faster, much like transfer data is increased.
[Galaxy Note 10.1 (2014 Edition) General] BarryH_GEG:
It can. Samsung hasn't implemented it, at least yet. Here's more info on Samsung's USB 3.0 implementation from AnandTech.
[Galaxy Note 10.1 (2014 Edition) General] Duly.noted:
USB 3.0 only speeds up charging when connected to a Computer.
[Galaxy Note 10.1 (2014 Edition) General] BarryH_GEG:
Maybe. Maybe not. Samsung hasn't changed the charging alogoritim (so far) so the max processed by their devices is still 2A.

But the USB host device is probably the determining factor...

Selden, consider the can full of premium quality worms as opened...

USB ports may be charging or not. Using the latest Battery Charging Specification 1.2 a USB 2 or USB3 port should provide 1.5A on a continuous basis with an instantaneous peak of up to 5A.

USB ports on some computers and other devices, especially older devices, don't provide this; they provide .5A (and some provide less, or none!). And to make things worse, the 1.5A or .5A is generally per USB controller. If a device has two or more ports on one controller, the power may be split across all the ports. And an unpowered USB hub does the same thing, splitting the incoming power among all of the outgoing ports.

So your definitive answers are "maybe", "it depends" and "YMMV". You would need to know the specific USB controller board(s) being used to power the ports.

I have a sneaking suspicion that both the USB2 and USB3 ports on the Samsung run off the same controller... the "USB3" port seems to have performance much closer to USB2 than USB3. It would take someone technical doing a teardown to figure that out.

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/chromebook-central/b33ePCxfc0g​
[Galaxy Note 10.1 (2014 Edition) General] jmtocali:
At least we are in the list (glad to see that the original Note 10.1 also will get KK):

Samsung Confirms KitKat for U.S. Smartphones and Tablets

DALLAS, February 18, 2014 – Samsung Telecommunications America (Samsung Mobile) announced today that a number of Samsung Galaxy® devices will receive the Android 4.4.2 (KitKat) software update, enriching the Galaxy experience.

The upgrade provides a number of innovative, easy-to-use features that enhance the user experience, including a more intuitive user interface, enhanced messaging capabilities and updated applications:

Location Menu: An integrated location menu enables users to easily activate GPS, Wi-Fi and mobile networks, while simultaneously checking the battery usage of apps running location service capabilities.

Enhanced Messaging: Enables users to choose between Messages or Hangouts as their preferred default messaging application, and select from a larger assortment of updated Emoji icons.

Upgraded Google Mobile Service™ (GMS) apps: Users can automatically back up photos and video and can open, view, rename and share Google Docs and files.

Samsung Galaxy U.S. devices currently scheduled to receive the KitKat update include select carrier variants of the Galaxy Note® 3, Galaxy Note® II, Galaxy S® 4, Galaxy S® 4 mini™, Galaxy S® 4 Active™, Galaxy S® 4 zoom™, Galaxy S® III, Galaxy S® III mini™, Galaxy Mega®, Galaxy Light, Galaxy Note® 8.0, Galaxy Tab® 3, Galaxy Note® 10.1, Galaxy Note® 10.1 2014 Edition.

Availability varies by carrier and product, with updates beginning today and continuing throughout the coming months.
[Galaxy Note 10.1 (2014 Edition) General] Duly.noted:
when Connected to a Computer usb data plus charge doesnt get near 2A usb 3.0 allows wall charging like speed from your usb port. It still wont be over 2A Just faster than normal computer charging,
[Galaxy Note 10.1 (2014 Edition) General] RussellEstridge25:
Not trying to sound like a troll here but you seem so excited to get your hands on this amazing tablet yet the only thing stopping you is one small feature that anyone else would know is going to come to this device one way or another. Just buy the dang thing and love everything else about it. The rest will come. The android community has never let me down.
[Galaxy Note 10.1 (2014 Edition) General] Thunn:
I already did and it's amazing! Really loving everything about it. Now just waiting for kitkat... :)
[Galaxy Note 10.1 (2014 Edition) General] RussellEstridge25:
Good :)
[Galaxy Note 10.1 (2014 Edition) General] Ahmedmoataz:
So......, anyone got the update?!!