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[Xperia Z1 General] Morlock O:
LOL you are right! that really sucks hahaha good thing mine is the international version...
[Xperia Z1 General] One Twelve:
You wanna explain the underlined bit ? In the US./Canada thread i was told Sony signed an exclusive contract with t-mobile. This means sony cannot offer anything to others. Sony look like the idiots here.

And if the others ie most everybody else can do get contracts with major carriers then why can't sony.

Unless you can tell us otherwise i would say sony dropped the ball and is continuing to do so since the Z.
[Xperia Z1 General] Gitaroo:
they did with 2013, if they continue to do so in 2014 then they are the biggest moron unless nobody else are interested in them to begin with. They ended their exclusive deal with rogers in Canada in H2 2013 was a sign that they knew being exclusive was dumb.
[Xperia Z1 General] samven582:
the Z1s for t mobile has plastic frames
[Xperia Z1 General] Zerousen:
I was hoping to be able to find cases for my Z1 in local stores, but with the odd audio port placement and slightly different dimensions on the Z1S, I guess that's not going to happen.
[Xperia Z1 General] snobrdr2324:
While the plastic frame is disappointing, it's certainly not worth an extra 150-200 dollars premium for the metal unlocked version. It has all the same specs internally and is even slightly lighter will be much cheaper. Ideally it would be ~530 dollars for a metal framed version but that is unrealistic probably. To get LTE support on ATT like this one has you need to get the c6906 model which is about 700 dollars to import.
[Xperia Z1 General] Spectre51:
Kinda hard to explain it more without diming out my contact but AT&T has been a part of discussions to pickup devices like the Z and Z1 but have flip flopped and otherwise been difficult. At one point planning to pick up one of those devices (can't remember which one now) then backing out, then coming back later and trying to pick it up again but at that point things didn't happen for other reasons.

Sony signed the exclusive deal because AT&T couldn't make a decision. Sony has tried to get their phones on T-Mobile and AT&T but it's been AT&T that has failed to pick up the device.

You may not know me from this section of XDA but if you check my history is info regarding Sony US devices you will see my info has been good and reliable.

Sent from my Sony Xperia™ Z Ultra
[Xperia Z1 General] raziel123:
Thanks for the correction mate,

I thought the compact was the only other Z1 sony was releasing at least in the UK ...
[Xperia Z1 General] Spectre51:
No worries. It got confusing since every news site was spreading the rumor that the Z1S was the US version of the mini/compact. Now we just have to wait for the release date of the compact in the US.

Sent from my Xperia™ Tablet Z
[Xperia Z1 General] nbell13:
Another difference I noticed is with the noise cancelling microphone on the back. It's just a hole on the back of the Z1S, rather than like the Z1 where it looks just like the earpiece on the front. It's like they combined the internal hardware with the Z exterior with regards to LED notification light and noise cancelling microphone.
[Xperia Z1 General] One Twelve:
Would Sony's inability to do non-gsm Z phones have any bearing here ?

At&T & T-mobile are GSM. Everybody else isn't.

What gets me is how LG is #3, Sony is #12, there's quite a gap there. Not to knock LG because they do good phones but you can get an LG phone easier than a Z.
[Xperia Z1 General] Spectre51:
Not sure but doing only gsm might just be a strategic decision since the majority of the world is gsm.

Sent from my Sony Xperia Z
[Xperia Z1 General] One Twelve:
Not in the US it isn't. This is a pretty big factor because it limits carriers that Sony can work with. No Verizon or Sprint. How much of the US market do just those two cover.

I did not think technically this would be an issue. if you say strategic then thats something else.

I don't get it. China isn't GSM and Sony is doing China specific models. What stops them doing the same for the US.
[Xperia Z1 General] samven582:
What are you talking about? GSM is a big factor here in the US. Its time for Verzion and Sprint to ditch CDMA
[Xperia Z1 General] One Twelve:
It wasn't when i lived in the US a few years back. These guys have invested billions in their infrastructure, how much of a switching cost are we talking about here.

So i don't think CDMA is going to go away.
[Xperia Z1 General] dallashigh:
I swear it's a Shakespeare play in here. The Z1S is not intended to be an upgrade to the Z1. It's a VARIANT. That means changes. Changes that some people will like, and others won't.

Nobody

, anywhere, expects Z1 owners to swap for a Z1S. That's why it's called the Z1S, and not the Z2.
[Xperia Z1 General] ajftl:
I have the z1 in white. Just got 4.3.few days a go. I kinda like that new z1 in lime color. So is the same thing just smaller right?
[Xperia Z1 General] 3vilhomer:
i asked tmobile retail store today, they say the Z1s could be 0 down payment and is only $22 a month for 24 months

i think this is a cheaper version of buying the C6903...
[Xperia Z1 General] Morlock O:
22 x24 = 528 USD

22 USD comes with mobile and data plan? or that is extra?

Based on what I have read so far, its 22 USD per month, but you have to be on the Simple choice plan @ 50 USD per month. so its 50USD + 22 USD for 2 years.

in my country, can get the Z1 for 430 USD @ the 25 USD plan if I sign a 2 year contract.

but I got my Z1 a lot cheaper:

bought it brand new for 500 USD no contract

signed a 2 year contract and got an Iphone 5s Gold. sold the Iphone and I profited 300 USD. sold my old Xperia S for 120 USD. so techically I only paid 80 USD for the Z1 hihi
[Xperia Z1 General] epsix:
That's 22 USD additional to your calling plan 80 USD unlimited calling and data = 102 + tax.lol
[Xperia Z1 General] :
I bought my C6906 from Sony for 700$ here in Canada (unlocked of couse)... How much are they asking for a Z1s?
[Xperia Z1 General] snobrdr2324:
$528, so quite a bit cheaper and has 32gb of storage.
[Xperia Z1 General] ajftl:
I wish Sony improve the camera on their phones. My z1 camera kinda sucks to be honest. I found myself taking more pics with my nexus 5 or the Lumia 1520 but the phone is pretty lol and fast
[Xperia Z1 General] RHBH:
The only features I liked in this Z1s are:

32GB internal memory and the position of the notification led.
[Xperia Z1 General] 3vilhomer:
Ya, is 22 addition to my plan... But either way, if I buy the C6903 online which is 600 now I still pay the same amount of my usage plan... So you can add the plan in
[Xperia Z1 General] JuicyBrah:
Yeah but you don't get the same 3rd party support. Even getting a screen protector will be harder since they changed they proximity sensor position.
[Xperia Z1 General] ajftl:
Just add a sd card to your z1 done. Lol. Is the same ****
[Xperia Z1 General] negrobembon:
It'll never be the same **** until games can be installed on external SD cards
[Xperia Z1 General] stoobs:
I'm getting the z1s over the Nexus 5(Various reasons) and while I'm glad I can add my sdcard, the last thing I'd want to do is play games on it. Do you play games from an external hard drive on your PC? I don't think the technology is quite there for those tiny drives. I'm super excited that I'll be able to order this phone on Monday and glad I held off on the Nexus 5.
[Xperia Z1 General] ngvuanh:
Anyone noticed that Z1S has LTE Band 4 and 17 which is stated on Sony Mobile website. If this is real, then unlocked Z1S can access AT&T LTE.

T-Mobile Z only has LTE Band 4.
[Xperia Z1 General] samven582:
Thats the only reason why I'm buying lol.
[Xperia Z1 General] ngvuanh:
But wait, after a little more research, the result probably turned me down.

gsmarena.com has Z1S specifications which LTE Band 17 is at Class 13 and AT&T LTE Band 17 is at Class 17.

As I google it, these classes can't inter-operation.
[Xperia Z1 General] 3vilhomer:
I don't think a screen protector will affact the proximity sensor... unless the ear piece hole is a bit higher or lower then will b a big problem...
[Xperia Z1 General] JuicyBrah:
The device is slightly longer so that may be the case.

Glass screen protectors do interfere with the proximity sensor, they all have a cutout for it.
[Xperia Z1 General] samven582:
I would take gsmarena info with a grain of salt
[Xperia Z1 General] mobde3:
check out in Battery Section

talk time , standby , music and video in both devices

i think somthing wrong
[Xperia Z1 General] id3alistic:
Maybe I just can't see it yet... but what is the point of moving the headphone jack closer to the center?? Also, I kind of liked the Z's speaker off to the side and not on the bottom of the phone. Now my hand will block the speaker when viewing it landscape mode.
[Xperia Z1 General] 3vilhomer:
OMG!! i was juz planning to get the glass screen protector...
[Xperia Z1 General] epsix:
Can Tmobile Z1S bootloader be unlock?
[Xperia Z1 General] nightfox11:
Do you know when it's going in to be avaliable online ? On tmobile.com

Sent From My G Note 3.
[Xperia Z1 General] eclyptos:
Totally Agree.
[Xperia Z1 General] nbell13:
"something t-mobile requested because their customers like the placement more centered." Something like that, from the Sony rep at CES.

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Since the T-Mobile Z is unable to be unlocked, I would assume the same for the Z1, unfortunately. Hopefully they change their tune.
[Xperia Z1 General] shook187:
I'm looking to score one for $0 down along with a PlayStation 4 so I can get my $100 voucher. Then after 6 months I'll dump this crappy screen crappy speaker crappy bezel, 5 inch tablet size phone .. Thanks t-mobile for your Jump program.
[Xperia Z1 General] Spectre51:
The Z1S will support AT&T LTE once you unlock it but has band 4 and 17 support. Gsmarena is incorrect.

Sent from my Sony Xperia Z
[Xperia Z1 General] ngvuanh:
I hope they are wrong but it seems they are right.

Here is the link for 700MHz LTE Band from FCC

http://www.fcc.gov/rulemaking/12-69

It's like in wifi bands 2.4 and 5.0. If you are not in the same channel, then you can't connect.

Xperia T LTE AT&T 700MHz Class 17 as described on gsmarena which is AT&T 700MHz band.

Remember, I am talking about Class in Band 17, not the band.
[Xperia Z1 General] Spectre51:
Per my contact at Sony it full supports AT&T LTE.

Sent from my Sony Xperia Z
[Xperia Z1 General] RHBH:
I already have a 64GB SanDisk Extreme MicroSD but I can't move apps to SD cards, many of my games are not installed because of this ;(
[Xperia Z1 General] ngvuanh:
It's not the same man. If you plug the highest size of a SD card in both, Z1s is still 16GB more than any 16GB stock.
[Xperia Z1 General] Spectre51:
Sony Mobile Z1s (C6916) White Paper: http://dl-developer.sonymobile.com/documentation/whitepapers/Xperia_Z1s_LTE_C6916_WP_1.pdf
[Xperia Z1 General] epsix:
z1S don't have infrared?
[Xperia Z1 General] ngvuanh:
I don't think Z1 has it either.
[Xperia Z1 General] epsix:
[MENTION=2775934]Spectre51[/MENTION] you seem to have good contacts with Sony. Can you find out if Z1S bootloader is unlockable? If it can't be unlocked that mean we can't flash other Roms right?
[Xperia Z1 General] Spectre51:
I will check. I would put money on it being locked. It would mean you can't flash Roms that use an custom kernel. Stock based Roms would still work.

Sent from my Sony Xperia Z
[Xperia Z1 General] smithmyth:
I prefer z1, not big changes for z1s sincerely...
[Xperia Z1 General] 3vilhomer:
but can Z1 support Tmobile LTE?? cuz i really like the purple... Z1s only black
[Xperia Z1 General] minhajmsd:
The C6903 model of the Z1 supports T-Mobile LTE in the US...that is the model I currently have and using it on T-Mobile without any issues.
[Xperia Z1 General] epsix:
Can you unlock C6903 bootloader?
[Xperia Z1 General] minhajmsd:
I don't know since I haven't done it but I heard that if you buy an unlocked phone you will be able to unlock the boot loader.
[Xperia Z1 General] Cloverfi:
gyroscope stabilization SteadyShot?
[Xperia Z1 General] JuicyBrah:
Nope, digital image stabilization, same as the Z1.
[Xperia Z1 General] gtownie:
Hope I'm not sabotaging the thread, but I'm not very familiar with Sony phones (as someone said above, they aren't exactly everywhere in the US). About to switch to t-mobile in the next 2 weeks and was going to go nexus 5. Can someone provide me a quick list or argument in favor of the z1s? What do the owners like about it? How's the camera? (and just FYI, I doubt I'll be swimming with it).
[Xperia Z1 General] Petronilo13:
dude

a question? I want to buy the tmobile Zs, then this model to be equal z1 could put a rom from another that is free?
[Xperia Z1 General] Sorainzo:
Hey, does anyone know if the Z1s has different screen calibrations on different devices like on the Z1. The Z1 was plagued with the yellow hues on some of their devices and sometimes they can be fixed with updates. I want to know if the Z1s has that type of thing with it as well because it seems like it'll be better to just get the Z1s if it doesn't have those screen problems.
[Xperia Z1 General] nightfox11:
Anyone pre Ordering the z1s tonight ?
[Xperia Z1 General] xplayed:
I wonder if there is any improvement with the camera on inferior auto(:D) in low light conditions. I bet they sent it out with the same issues as the z1.
[Xperia Z1 General] Morlock O:
Z1 has better camera, better battery, expandable storage, water proof\resistant and better design (IMO)...

Nexus 5 has better screen, faster updates

I also prefer the Sony UI over stock android although it is very close, yet there are some touches that make the sony UI better (again IMO)

equal in performance...
[Xperia Z1 General] gtownie:
Awesome, thanks for that. The z1s is about $9 more per month over 24, so I'm having a tough decision whether it is worth it. The nexus software updates are enticing. I'll have to YouTube search a video on sony's ui since I have never seen it before.
[Xperia Z1 General] kirdroid:
I'm planning to order first thing tomorrow morning thru EIP. Any idea what time they open up online sales? Not sure if it's from 12am.
[Xperia Z1 General] nightfox11:
Judging by my pass experience they always put new phone online 3 am Eastern time = 12 am Pacific time zone. What phone are you coming from ?
[Xperia Z1 General] kirdroid:
I

Mainly use Nexus 5, am getting the wood Moto X as well this week. My EIP line is free so thought will go for this one. Probably will keep the Moto X and Z1S, and sell the Nexus 5. Got bored with the N5 since I have been using it for a while.
[Xperia Z1 General] Morlock O:
Wow nexus 5 have been barely available for 3 months... why are you bored with it?
[Xperia Z1 General] nightfox11:
I like the Nexus devices but I find them boring sometimes... wooden moto x awesome! Tho
[Xperia Z1 General] kirdroid:
Nothing wrong with it.. Just have a bad habit of changing phones frequently.
[Xperia Z1 General] 3vilhomer:
im kool with the firmware update for the nexus, they are really fast, but nexus phones r pure performance n sony phones are design n performance IMO
[Xperia Z1 General] 3vilhomer:
ok nvm the Z1s... im gonna ask my firend to help me get the Z1 purple from HK for 530USD, hope is C6903
[Xperia Z1 General] shook187:
Anyone having trouble pre ordering the phone on T Mobile's website? Its telling me to go to the store to complete the order :(
[Xperia Z1 General] kirdroid:
No I just ordered it and didn't have any issues. Added overnight delivery and expected delivery date is tomorrow :)
[Xperia Z1 General] mm79k:
So when customers ask for thinner bezel..... Sony does the opposite!

I can't see the reason of introducing the Z1s!
[Xperia Z1 General] Petronilo13:
I have a xperia Z, and now jump to z1s
[Xperia Z1 General] Morlock O:
thats easy the reason is T-mobile end of story... its only a variant to Z1 just for T-mobile...
[Xperia Z1 General] POMF2K:
I am wondering the same, mine should arrive tomorrow or the next day.

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Not to question your knowledge of your own device, but are you sure you have the right model number? I was told that this one would not work with LTE, only 4g. For LTE you need the C6906 I think, which imported will run $650 plus.

Also... my fingers are crossed that the CES models were not representative of the final product and it will come with the metal frame... I guess I'll find out tomorrow.

http://www.phonearena.com/news/Sony-Xperia-Z1S-vs-Samsung-Galaxy-Note-3-first-look_id51126#2-

Metal in this video...

I wish Sony would just ditch the glass and go all carbon fibre and show all these other manufacturers how to really make a strong, lightweight, and gorgeous device.

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I tried about 4 AM and it would get hung up during the ordering process. Error code: P4. I was getting really annoyed because it seemed like I was being denied credit (my score is a decent 700ish). I called when the phone hours finally opened, started a new order, no problem.

Here's to your new device and hoping it is metal framed, easy to root, able to unlock the bootloader, and (very important to me) that the LED can display all colors.

Honestly if it's plastic though... I'll likely complain until they let me return with no restock and order the international LTE version. I was wondering how a Sony device could be cheaper than HTC or Apple. Guess I'll find out.

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Not that thinner bezels are bad by any means, but to me an attractive design and high quality construction is much more important. I HATE round, girly looking hardware. You really want a thin bezel... go with samsung or lg or htc... and you'll be stuck with an effeminately round, poorly constructed device that makes android appear like a child's toy when compared next to ios or windows. No thank you. The best OS should also have the best looking devices.

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I was able to start the order process at 4am this morning. Unfortunately it wouldn't go through and i had to call support.

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So this is a bit off topic, but I'm new to T-mobile... and for that matter GSM, SIM cards, etc.

I just ordered my Z1S... but I'm still thinking about getting a Nexus 5 or an unlocked Z1 Compact (if it supports LTE here) for tinkering with mods and having an alternate phone.

Am I able to take my sim card out of one and place it into the other if I wish to carry that phone on a given day? I only need one phone line, I just like to have multiple devices. Do I need another SIM card? Would this increase my bill if only one phone is active at a given time?
[Xperia Z1 General] Spectre51:
Yes that is the nice thing with gsm providers and the Sim cards. I routinely go between my Xperia Z, ZU and Lumia 1020. As the as the sun card is the right size for each device otherwise you need a Sim card adapter.

Since you are only using one sum card there is no extra cost.

Sent from my Sony Xperia Z
[Xperia Z1 General] POMF2K:
Thanks very much for the info. I will most likely snag a z1 compact if it has full US LTE in the future. Then I'll have a monster phone that blows away all my friends' devices (for the moment at least, and assuming I can deal with the rumored plastic) and a sleeker, small phone that's more pocketable.

I'm not going to sleep tonight worrying about rooting/unlocking though... that and going from Verizon to T-Mobile... don't want to be stranded on the highway somewhere.
[Xperia Z1 General] Spectre51:
If you really want to stay with Verizon and can wait you might be surprised later this year.

Sent from my Sony Xperia Z
[Xperia Z1 General] POMF2K:
That's what I read yesterday and it does trouble me to hear it now that I'm jumping ship. Then again, verizon is expensive and notoriously slow at updates. The bootloader will undoubtedly be lock, just as the phone itself will, and overseas usage will be extremely limited. Let alone the fact that the device has to be out for a good six months before it lands on their shelves. Total bull. I'm tired of feeling unappreciated after being with them for over 13 years.

I'm taking a gamble now... and it could prove a mistake. I honestly don't think T-Mobile's service will even come close to the quality of Verizon, nor will it ever have anywhere near the market share of ATT or Verizon (more bandwidth for me)... but I do think that John Legere is going to make a huge impact and could pave the way to repair the broken US mobile phone service market. Competition is always good, especially when a company follows words with action.
[Xperia Z1 General] epsix:
Just order mine.:D where's our own Z1S sub forum? Mods should create one.:thumbup:
[Xperia Z1 General] POMF2K:
I posted a request here... http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=49399477&postcount=13082

Don't know if bumping it will help but it can't hurt i suppose.
[Xperia Z1 General] Spectre51:
Doubt a subforum will be created. It's just a slightly different Z1 for T-Mobile.

Sent from my Sony Xperia™ Z Ultra
[Xperia Z1 General] kirdroid:
Edit : Nevermind when I logged into my tmobile account, tracking number was there.
[Xperia Z1 General] Lancerz:
Since I'm switching from another carrier I have to wait until the 22nd, but I will be joining the Z1s family!
[Xperia Z1 General] POMF2K:
Why would you have to wait? I preordered mine and I'll port it when it is received.

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Software is always different. I would hate to hear someone bricked their device because they tried something specific to the unlocked version. Besides the carriers here have so much say as far as updates, etc. It would be nice to have everyone together to discuss best ways to go about taking updates and things like that.
[Xperia Z1 General] Lancerz:
Because you have to trade in your phone and port your number from the current carrier to get them to pay the ETF.
[Xperia Z1 General] POMF2K:
Oh aye.. that's a damn good reason. I've been off contract with verizon for a year or two now. Have not seen one attractive handset (except for the windows phones) come to big red in that time. I'm out.
[Xperia Z1 General] Lancerz:
Yeah, I figure this is the best time to make the switch lol. And when I saw they were getting the Z1s that just sealed the deal for me!
[Xperia Z1 General] Sisyphus306:
I'm eligible to JUMP on 1/21, and I'm strongly considering the Z1S to replace my HTC One. I s'pose I'll have to wait the extra day to get the phone since it's out on the 22nd. Crap.
[Xperia Z1 General] Lancerz:
Hey, can you root your phone and stuff when you are on the jump program? And just set it back to stock when you're ready to upgrade?
[Xperia Z1 General] Spectre51:
It isn't different enough to warrant a completely new subforum. Sony software is the same across different regional variants of the same device. Just look at the Tablet Z and Xperia Z. Baseband may be different and some additional carrier software but base Sony software is the same.

Otherwise we would have a ton of forums for each device that is released on different carriers with small differences.

Sent from my Sony Xperia™ Z Ultra
[Xperia Z1 General] POMF2K:
Well one would hope. I signed up for jump... not because i think i will use it, but because it's only two bucks more than the regular insurance cost and comes with lookout (which i always thought was free). Who knows maybe i will use it.
[Xperia Z1 General] Sisyphus306:
From what I've read on other forums, T-Mobile just verifies that the phone boots and has no visible damage; they don't check for root. With that stated, I'll probably take the 20 minutes to un-root before trading the One in.
[Xperia Z1 General] epsix:
Crap just received an email my phone is backed order.:(